From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Sep 1 00:34:13 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS configuration walkthrough for HP DeskJet 960c with JetDirect (was: [TCLUG] Cups setup) In-Reply-To: References: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020901001727.487324f3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:39:17 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > Fire up a web browser and go to http://localhost:631 . (cupsd should > be > listening on that.) > Click on "Manage Printers". > On the next screen there should be a button that says "Add Printer". > Too cool! Thanks jima. I had to install it from a package off of the 4th cd in the Slack disk set. I got cupsd running, however I run into a permissions issue: Forbidden You don't have permission to access the resource on this server. (both as root and regular user. However I noticed lp:sys is owner. Seeing what I can do to rectify this. Taking it one step at a time.... -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Sun Sep 1 00:42:09 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool Message-ID: iptraf is an interesting and accessable tool (probably not as flexible as ethereal, but worth looking at). Probably the tons and tons of IPX broadcast packets. :-( >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 08/27/02 02:12PM >>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > How big is your network :-) 500 clients, 15 servers, running a combo of IP/IPX > Netsaint's conf file makes terrible. It makes sendmail.cf look like "My first > ABC books". Awww crap.... :-) > Installing netsaint is easy, configuration is the hard part. Is there any cute tools for aiding the configuration like webmin or anything? Are the sample files "good enough" to get it working in short enough order to mess around with it? I need a tool (or suite of tools, if need be) to monitor things. For one, I need to monitor the traffic and find out why our 100 Mbit switched network is SO FREAKING SLOW. I also need a tool to monitor various pieces of networking hardware (servers, switches, routers, etc) so if a link goes down, we can troubleshoot it quickly. I think Netsaint will accomplish the latter, complete with pretty GUI. Any ideas on the former? I'm messing with Ethereal, seems to do a nice job at telling me what's out there at least. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sun Sep 1 00:42:21 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Brian wrote: > Is there any cute tools for aiding the configuration like webmin or > anything? Are the sample files "good enough" to get it working in > short enough order to mess around with it? Yeah, there's a few tools to config it. Check netsaint.org, they list them. All of 'em kind of sucked last time I tried them though. The samples give you WAY more than enough info. It's not that it's hard to set up a single server; it's just hard to maintain the config for a few hundred monitor items. > I need a tool (or suite of tools, if need be) to monitor things. For > one, I need to monitor the traffic and find out why our 100 Mbit > switched network is SO FREAKING SLOW. I also need a tool to monitor > various pieces of networking hardware (servers, switches, routers, > etc) so if a link goes down, we can troubleshoot it quickly. I think > Netsaint will accomplish the latter, complete with pretty GUI. Any > ideas on the former? I'm messing with Ethereal, seems to do a nice > job at telling me what's out there at least. You could try out OpenNMS, but it'd probably be overkill. Learn netsaint. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Sun Sep 1 00:42:33 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? Sophie? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From houle at citilink.com Sun Sep 1 05:32:19 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? Message-ID: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> I was thinking about getting a Mac running OS X and also putting a Linux distro on it. The more I think about it wonder if that is the right thing, or necessary? Since it is running UNIX flavor under the hood anyway. Thought and comments?? Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle "Become Microsoft ? Free" From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 1 06:40:51 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel move Message-ID: <50151.198.74.20.73.1030394368.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Recently there has been a bit of trouble with the IRC network(OPN/freenode) that we are using for the tclug irc channel Some people who are currently on the channel believe that we should move #tclug to another network, OFTC was proposed and #tclug has been reserved. If you want your voice heard goto: http://www.pollline.com/go.asp?pnum=73&sub=computers&ver= and vote on it, -munir From sextus at visi.com Sun Sep 1 07:00:48 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020826205946.GA16077@sextus.dsl.visi.com> ON Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:36:23AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? I think the name of the tool you're looking for is "packet sniffer". One such program is Ethereal: http://www.ethereal.com/ Another sort of tool, useful for determining the services running on any reachable network, is a port scanner such as nmap: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ -- Michael From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 1 07:01:06 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63673.198.74.20.73.1030395757.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Yaron said: > Hey, > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > >> can you be a bit more specific? where does it say "you may not do >> this?" > > I was more specific in other emails. Basically, I have a 1.6GB partition > set as Linux Swap, and when I run "mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2" I get > "mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB" yes you were, i was too impatient to wait for the email that came in 5 minutes later :) Munir Nassar From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Sep 1 07:19:57 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <00a201c24d42$d243bc70$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Michael D. Cassano wrote: > Just as a benchmark, netsaint interested me (I only use mrtg and perl > scripts for statuses) and I just installed netsaint to monitor 1 nt, 2 > linux, and 1 router and it took me under one hour. I would consider myself > a "knowledgable" linux admin. Does Netsaint by chance run on Cygwin? Or is it just too cool for the windows kernel an needs something more "grown up"? -Brian From chuck at redroot.org Sun Sep 1 07:22:22 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <57059.198.74.20.73.1030394900.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > Bin Yin said: > > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Can > > you recommend someone to be hired? > > ME! ME! ME! PICK ME! > /me jumps up and down excitedly And so it begins. So, where do we all take a number and/or get in line? -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Sep 1 08:34:17 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS configuration walkthrough for HP DeskJet 960c with JetDirect (was: [TCLUG] Cups setup) In-Reply-To: <20020901001727.487324f3.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020901001727.487324f3.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02090108300600.13837@nancy> On Sunday 01 September 2002 00:17, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:39:17 -0500 (CDT) > > Jima wrote: > > Fire up a web browser and go to http://localhost:631 . (cupsd should > > be > > listening on that.) > > Click on "Manage Printers". > > On the next screen there should be a button that says "Add Printer". > > Too cool! Thanks jima. I had to install it from a package off of the > 4th cd in the Slack disk set. I got cupsd running, however I run into a > permissions issue: > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access the resource on this server. (both > as root and regular user. However I noticed lp:sys is owner. Seeing > what I can do to rectify this. > > Taking it one step at a time.... Answer: ----------------------------------------------------- From: Gooseman (me@here.com) Subject: Re: CUPS Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware View: Complete Thread (11 articles) | Original Format Date: 2001-08-22 03:46:09 PST In article <9lultc$3elk$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>, "Bomber" wrote: > Well for some reason I cannot get authorization. I enter root and root > password but it fails. I am at a loss. > > Thanks > Anyway Same problem here, it turns out slackware 8 has different crypto libraries to what cups expects. easy fix is to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and change the lines where it says "AuthType Basic" to "AuthType None" comment out the AuthClass line below it, dont worry about security as you can only access the printer configs from localhost by default Unfortunately theres no word on a fix for it :( Gooseman ----------------------------------------------------- I did the AuthType change here and commented out the AuthClass and it worked (at least from version I am running CUPS v1.1.12) and only gets you localhost access :-( I can share my cupsd.conf if you would like. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 1 08:41:14 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030486758.495.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 11:59, Robert Leduc wrote: > I can unmount the drive if I log out and log back in again (even > without doing any kind of restart or shut down). But if I then > remount the device, I can't unmount it without repeating the > logout/in. I know I frequently forget that I'm in a directory that has been mounted while I'm trying to unmount. Often, I'll su to root to mount, go back to a normal user, then cd to /cdrom or wherever, finish up some stuff, then su to unmount, and forget that I was still in /cdrom/. You might be able to find out what program is running on a mounted filesystem by running `lsof | grep /cdrom' (or replace /cdrom by your mountpoint). Of course, this requires lsof to be installed, and it often isn't.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Avoid blue food. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020901/55697323/attachment.pgp From dante at plethora.net Sun Sep 1 10:42:05 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Terry Houle wrote: > I was thinking about getting a Mac running OS X and also putting a Linux distro on it. The more I think about it wonder if that is the right thing, or necessary? Since it is running UNIX flavor under the hood anyway. > Thought and comments?? > If you want to play with Linux on a Mac, it is worth it. Most of the people I know do Linux/BSD _or_ MacOS and don't bother with dual booting. I suppose it is just a matter of taste. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Sep 1 10:43:05 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting - twin cities wireless users group: 3-Sept-2002 Message-ID: <20020901103838.B3884@botwerks.org> hello all - it's time for the monthly meeting of the twin cities wireless group (TCWUG), same bat time, same bat channel. we're trying something a bit different this month with a brief technical presentation on a wireless technology of interest to the group before we digress into our network building discussions. we have some elements of interest to discuss, notably the moos tower survey and other potential locations. this promises to be an interesting meeting. agenda ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * introductions / misc. administravia * matthew hallacy (poptix) has graciously offered to give an overview of kismet and its operation. some information regarding the configuration and operation of kismet as well as some of more interesting mapping features that it provides will be presented. Q: what is kismet? A: kismet is a wireless network auditing tool which is capable of sniffing out wireless networks and logging their presence (and location when used with a GPS). this is a handy tool for auditing corporate networks and discovering rogue access points. as well as generating propagation maps for various wireless applications. though perhaps it's most famous for being the premier wardriving tool available. * discussion and planning for the moos tower survey to take place saturday, september 7, 2002. many from the group will be working to determine what the effective coverage of a moos tower node will be. courtesy of REI, kinkos and a little cash we have some maps we can use for our discussions and for planning the coverage survey. * further discussion regarding other potential backbone node locations and resources for hotspot providers. * open discussion * plans for the next meeting, review of any actionable items from this meeting. upcoming technology presentations (similar to matt's presentation but on different topics of interest to the group.) *LOGISTICS* ----------- time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6:30 PM - tuesday, september 3, 2002 location ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cisco systems - bloomington office international plaza 7900 international drive suite 400 bloomington, mn 55425 directions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- from the north -------------- * take 35w south * take 494 east to the 34th avenue exit, turn right * immediately veer right and take the next right at the light onto 80th street. * take the next immediate right onto international drive. from the south -------------- just like coming from the north except you take 35w north to 494. from the (east|west) -------------------- reaching 35w and following the above directions is left as an exercise for the reader/attendee. after you make it onto international drive ... * international plaza is the large blue glass building to your left. * you may park in the ramp and take the ramp elevators to level 1. proceed through the glass doors to your right and down the lobby foyer the main bank of elevators. take the elevator to level 4 note: you will need to sign in at the guard desk and indicate that you are there for the wireless users group meeting in the cisco office in suite 400. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Sun Sep 1 12:38:36 2002 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem In-Reply-To: <02082713030300.06098@nancy> Message-ID: Thanks to both Kelly and Munir for your help! I think I have it now. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2002 11:59, you wrote: > Try fuser. Thanks for the suggestion - that appears to have worked. It took a little bit of tracking down. I wouldn't see anything at all unless I both remounted the file system and used the -m option (which apparently causes the command to simply assume the filesystem is mounted). Omitting either one didn't produce anything useful. If I didn't mount the drive and simply used -m, it listed everything. If I mounted the drive and didn't use -m, I'd get no processes, or the kernel if I also used -v. Using them both together pointed out the culprit uniquely -- "fam". On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > have you tried umount -f? > > if this does not work try loging out/in > and fixing the autofs crap... just remove that stuff from your computer... > (why do you need autofs on a hard drive partition?) > and then see what happens > > also you can try doing a fuser -v as root > > Munir Nassar > Umount -f didn't work, not even as root. It gave an error message something like "device busy, can't unmount, illegal seek". And fuser -v didn't do much either. For some reason I needed -m as described above. As to your other question about why I needed this - I'm beginning to wonder myself. Mostly laziness, I think. In my head I tend to see the filesystems as mounted because they are windows drives and all drives are always mounted under windows. Under linux, I typically need just one file off the windows drive and type the copy or move command out and get pissed when it tells me I need to mount the drive first. But obviously the few extra keystrokes each time I do this over my lifetime will be far less painful than screwing with this automounter. On the other hand, it taught me about fuser. Live and learn. Thanks for your help, again. Rob From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Sep 1 14:08:39 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02082723294100.07042@nancy> On Tuesday 27 August 2002 22:31, you wrote: snip > I've installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as > much as a ping between the two boxes. snip Are the interfaces on the same network? Are they static or dynamically assigned via a dhcp server? What is the output of ifconfig and route on each box? Kelly Black KB0GBJ From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Sun Sep 1 14:39:03 2002 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem -- follow-on problem Message-ID: OK, so I thought I had it. I killed the stray fam process and could mount and unmount the drive at will. At least until I rebooted the machine. Every time I do, xinetd restarts this fam thing and I can't unmount the drive without killing it. If I restart xinetd using /etc/inetd/xinetd restart, I can mount and unmount the drive. I don't understand why xinetd (or perhaps more properly, the service sgi_fam) feels the need to start fam when I boot up, but forgets all about it if I restart xinetd. Reinstalling the rpms for xinetd and fam did not fix it. Workarounds would include disabling the sgi_fam service, or having one of my local initscripts just restart xinetd, but that's somewhat unsatisfactory. If something is damaged, I'd rather fix it. Right now, I've disabled the sgi_fam service. It seems someone is telling sgi_fam that it needs to fire up fam to look at this drive (hda1, on /mnt/winc) when I boot. I'd like to make it stop, but I don't know how it's happening. Any suggestions very welcome. Thanks again, Rob From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 1 15:44:26 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does RedHat resize Windows partitions? Message-ID: <20020901200943.GA16654@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, Subject line says it all. Does the latest RedHat beta support automatically resizing a Windows partition when installing on a Windows XP machine? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From drue at cs.und.edu Sun Sep 1 15:46:50 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Most of the people I know do Linux/BSD _or_ MacOS and don't > bother with dual booting. Why would you spend the extra money on Mac hardware if you're just going to run linux/bsd? I'm thinking about picking up a power mac in a week or two here, as a switcher from linux and bsd. I would like to hear about any experiences, particularily bad experiences with os x. Will the OS X switchers please stand up! Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Sep 1 15:47:26 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <67C6C120-BDE8-11D6-9614-000393971B5C@ringworld.org> I've had my TiBook since March, and in that time, I've never had the slightest urge to dual-boot. OS X is unix enough for me (at times it seems closer to a true Unix than Linux does). There are two primary reasons I keep only one OS on my Mac: - My desire to play with other OSes has mostly been satisfied (I used to keep an "OS of the week" partition on my PC). If there's something else I want to try, I still have my PC. - There are no apps on Linux that I can't replace on OS X. In fact, the only application that I took the time to compile and run under X is GNUcash, just because moving all that account data to something else would be a PITA. Anyway, those are my reasons. If you still want to do a dual-boot, a Mac can handle it pretty well (yay Open Firmware). YMMV. Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock On Sunday, Sep 1, 2002, at 05:21 US/Central, Terry Houle wrote: > I was thinking about getting a Mac running OS X and also putting a > Linux distro on it. The more I think about it wonder if that is the > right thing, or necessary? Since it is running UNIX flavor under the > hood anyway. > Thought and comments?? From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Sep 1 15:48:06 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS configuration walkthrough for HP DeskJet 960c with JetDirect (was: [TCLUG] Cups setup) In-Reply-To: <02090108300600.13837@nancy> References: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020901001727.487324f3.sfertch@real-time.com> <02090108300600.13837@nancy> Message-ID: <20020901153317.5532f464.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks Kelly, that let me get it set up. I could access it, set it up. But it won't print. Here's what I've done: Slack 8.1 distro. Changed the cupsd.conf file per directions. Set up the printer like Jima sent. I can see the printer, ping it, can't print to it. If I send a test job from the browser set up, I don't get any errors. I get that the job was "cancelled." If I try to resubmit it, I get "-- Error:client-error-not-possible." Cups is running okay. I looked at the man pages for both lpr and lp. In looking at the lpr mans, it showed a variety of options that aren't supported by cups. Didn't see anything too much on the man page for lp. I've also tried to send a print job via "lp -dhp960c test.txt" and it doesn't do anything either. I even went so far as to add a class, but it didn't make any changes either. Does cups also require another piece to run as well? It is frustrating to say the least. I worked when I had RH 7.2 installed... Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From cbidler at innominatus.com Sun Sep 1 16:07:23 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <200209011558.18630.cbidler@innominatus.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 01 September 2002 05:21, Terry Houle wrote: > I was thinking about getting a Mac running OS X and also putting a > Linux distro on it. The more I think about it wonder if that is the > right thing, or necessary? Since it is running UNIX flavor under > the hood anyway. Thought and comments?? > > > > Terry Houle > houle@citilink.com > http://www.citilink.com/~houle > "Become Microsoft ? Free" > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I would think that, unless for some reason you were adamant about doing Linux kernel development on an OS X box, the ability to run XFree86 "alongside" Aqua[1] would be more than sufficient for your non-OSX-apps needs. YMMV. [1] - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx and http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=98721 - -- Chris H. Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com GPG Key Fingerprint: EFEA C15A E510 CBB9 F880 6E54 A6BB 9766 98E1 DE9F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9cn9ppruXZpjh3p8RAiZNAJ9mYNICzy4Qpg5xYqHlI65d8EjXHACgox7y 5RTs7gpqKwSM6tDuEoX/pVo= =Vsks -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drue at cs.und.edu Sun Sep 1 16:09:02 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are probably going from using DHCP on the university network, to needing a static IP on your own network. I'm sure RH has many how-to's on setting up a static IP dan On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Hemminger, Jeffrey D. wrote: > Hi All, > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both running > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as much > as a ping between the two boxes. > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. I'm > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I took it > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables and > hub. > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 Unleashed, > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I don't > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf files > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 17:02:08 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does RedHat resize Windows partitions? In-Reply-To: <20020901200943.GA16654@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <008501c251fe$03d15a30$6401a8c0@HPZT> No. Not to any degree. I recently discussed this with the Red Hat guru who taught the RHCE seminar and exam locally. The Microsoft NTFS file system common to all the NT family (cf 2000, XP) is closed and proprietary so isn't likely to be included soon. Partition Manager or their more expensive Partition Magic will handle NTFS partitioning and then Red Hat can proceed. That was one of the problems on this laptop that delayed getting 7.3 installed. (the remaining problem is patching the HP linmodem drivers for the 2.14 kernel so I can get a modem going outside XP). FWIW, I told the Red Hat guy about Sam's "Teach Yourself Linux" coming with a version of Partition Manager free on their CDROM, and I think SuSe's YAST might handle the NTFS partitioning problem. Is anybody familiar with other alternatives? I'm pretty sure there is not a free option yet, but one may appear before long. Note that this basic disk file incompatibility with NTFS is likely to make all file exchange impossible between XP and Red Hat unless one makes a small FAT32 partition that can be used as temporary storage by the Win XP programs. Red Hat only knows about the FAT disk format for Windoze. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:10 PM > > Hi everyone, > > Subject line says it all. Does the latest RedHat beta support > automatically resizing a Windows partition when installing on > a Windows > XP machine? --- Chuck Cole As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. - Weisert From amy at real-time.com Sun Sep 1 17:59:02 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: <00d901c24ea0$2ce982f0$566fd18c@OSS22904>; from JDHEMMINGER@stthomas.edu on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:35:37AM -0500 References: <3D6C5740.6C5BB300@mailandnews.com> <00d901c24ea0$2ce982f0$566fd18c@OSS22904> Message-ID: <20020828095531.L12753@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:35:37AM -0500, Hemminger, Jeffrey D. (JDHEMMINGER@stthomas.edu) wrote: > (the following holds for both) > ifconfig looks like this: > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING Mtu:16436 Metric: 1 > etc etc etc > > when I check ifconfig eth0, however, it doesn't say UP BROADCAST RUNNING, > it just says BROADCAST. That means your ethernet interface isn't up. Try /etc/init.d/network restart and check screen and /var/log/messages for errors. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure how to do this "manually". --Nathan Davis "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." wrote: > ah ha! ifconfig eth0 ... up > > I figured it was something stupid I was (or wasn't) doing... ;-) > > Thanks again, > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > > > (the following holds for both) > > ifconfig looks like this: > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING Mtu:16436 Metric: 1 > > etc etc etc > > > > when I check ifconfig eth0, however, it doesn't say UP BROADCAST RUNNING, > > it just says BROADCAST. > > > > I can ping the localhost (ping 127.0.0.1), just fine. > > I cannot ping my own IP address, though. > > The error is connect: Network unreachable > > > > I've edited the files in vi. > > I will check out the HOWTO that was recommended. > > > > I appreciate the feedback, all! > > > > Jeff > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nathan Davis" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > > > > > > > "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both > > running > > > > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). > I've > > > > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as > > much > > > > as a ping between the two boxes. > > > > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. > > I'm > > > > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I > > took it > > > > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the > cables > > and > > > > hub. > > > > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a > conf > > > > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting > ideas? > > > > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 > > Unleashed, > > > > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting > caught > > > > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I > > don't > > > > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf > > files > > > > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not > require > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > What does '/sbin/ifconfig' say for each box? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 1 18:31:40 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: <010701c24ea2$c6a0ca50$566fd18c@OSS22904> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Hemminger, Jeffrey D. wrote: > ah ha! ifconfig eth0 ... up where you can do this, and it "works" it is not the redhat way... if each of these computers has only 1 network card then use netconfig, much easier to use, and instead of DNS just put the IPs inthe /etc/hosts file... -munir From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Sep 1 19:02:51 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200209010941.EAA29413@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <20020901233754.GA14625@tcopensys.com> YDL is good Debianppc is good SuSePPC is good http://yellowdoglinux.com/ http://penguinppc.org/ http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ http://mklinux.org/ Here are a few links to get you started. I run YDL 2.3 on my Tibook G4 and love it. I have tried several flavors of Linux on this thing and YDL was by far the most straightforward. There is also the GnuDarwin project, but last I tried the install was by no means simple. OSX and Linux differ greatly. By the same token the are very simular. I often find myself boot to OSX for the beauty and ease of "plug-n-play" and booting into Linux to actually do work. YMMV On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:21:38AM -0500, Terry Houle wrote: >I was thinking about getting a Mac running OS X and also putting a Linux distro on it. The more I think about it wonder if that is the right thing, or necessary? Since it is running UNIX flavor under the hood anyway. >Thought and comments?? > > > >Terry Houle >houle@citilink.com >http://www.citilink.com/~houle >"Become Microsoft ? Free" > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I kinda like as much as I can get with most things, so I am probably not the "average" mac/linux user. > >Why would you spend the extra money on Mac hardware if you're just going >to run linux/bsd? cause I can. > >I'm thinking about picking up a power mac in a week or two here, as a >switcher from linux and bsd. I would like to hear about any experiences, >particularily bad experiences with os x. OSX sucked really bad. OSX.1 is a huge improvement. I have yet to get my hands on OSX.2 > >Will the OS X switchers please stand up! /me *waves > >Dan > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Image1.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2010 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020901/f79ac75f/Image1.gif From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Sep 1 20:33:13 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] meeting - twin cities wireless users group: 3-Sept-2002 Message-ID: <20020901103838.B3884@botwerks.org> hello all - it's time for the monthly meeting of the twin cities wireless group (TCWUG), same bat time, same bat channel. we're trying something a bit different this month with a brief technical presentation on a wireless technology of interest to the group before we digress into our network building discussions. we have some elements of interest to discuss, notably the moos tower survey and other potential locations. this promises to be an interesting meeting. agenda ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * introductions / misc. administravia * matthew hallacy (poptix) has graciously offered to give an overview of kismet and its operation. some information regarding the configuration and operation of kismet as well as some of more interesting mapping features that it provides will be presented. Q: what is kismet? A: kismet is a wireless network auditing tool which is capable of sniffing out wireless networks and logging their presence (and location when used with a GPS). this is a handy tool for auditing corporate networks and discovering rogue access points. as well as generating propagation maps for various wireless applications. though perhaps it's most famous for being the premier wardriving tool available. * discussion and planning for the moos tower survey to take place saturday, september 7, 2002. many from the group will be working to determine what the effective coverage of a moos tower node will be. courtesy of REI, kinkos and a little cash we have some maps we can use for our discussions and for planning the coverage survey. * further discussion regarding other potential backbone node locations and resources for hotspot providers. * open discussion * plans for the next meeting, review of any actionable items from this meeting. upcoming technology presentations (similar to matt's presentation but on different topics of interest to the group.) *LOGISTICS* ----------- time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6:30 PM - tuesday, september 3, 2002 location ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cisco systems - bloomington office international plaza 7900 international drive suite 400 bloomington, mn 55425 directions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- from the north -------------- * take 35w south * take 494 east to the 34th avenue exit, turn right * immediately veer right and take the next right at the light onto 80th street. * take the next immediate right onto international drive. from the south -------------- just like coming from the north except you take 35w north to 494. from the (east|west) -------------------- reaching 35w and following the above directions is left as an exercise for the reader/attendee. after you make it onto international drive ... * international plaza is the large blue glass building to your left. * you may park in the ramp and take the ramp elevators to level 1. proceed through the glass doors to your right and down the lobby foyer the main bank of elevators. take the elevator to level 4 note: you will need to sign in at the guard desk and indicate that you are there for the wireless users group meeting in the cisco office in suite 400. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 1 20:48:43 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:39:08 CDT." <20020827213908.A8198@real-time.com> References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> <20020827231506.560C6180DF@wookimus.net> <20020827213908.A8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020828160907.919281809B@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > Amavis doesn't scale, at least from our testing and real world > experiences. Found another one today that looks interesting. It combines spam filtering with Virus scanning and is called BlackHole. Written in C and is usable by all of the major MTA's. http://the.groovy.org/blackhole.shtml This would be an interesting ont to test out. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From austad at signal15.com Sun Sep 1 21:03:09 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network engineering positions? Message-ID: <04b301c25221$60921520$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> One thing I've noticed, is that a lot of companies who are listing Network engineer positions, consider them to be Windows admin jobs, with very little switching and routing experience required. Shouldn't these be listed as Sys Admin positions? It's rather annoying when you come up with a list of jobs, and 90% of them are strictly doing windows admin stuff. I left my job at MarketWatch last week, and now I'm currently looking. Drop me an email if you know of anything, I'll provide a resume upon request. Preferably somewhere that uses linux, or any other kind of Unix. :) Jay From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 1 21:03:44 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resend -- the first one didn't get through In-Reply-To: <1030683514.21683.8.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: On 29 Aug 2002, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I frequently have a problem with Mozilla freezing up, and I've been able > to determine that it's when it tries to access /dev/dsp while XMMS is > using it (it could be /dev/mixer for all I know, but you know what I > mean). > > Has anyone encountered this problem? I usually just have to hit "stop" > in XMMS for the browser to plod on, but that gets annoying because I'd > like to not have to inturrupt my music. > > Any help is appreciated. you probably need a sound deamon to handle sound for you, if you use GNOMe the sound deamon is ESD, and for KDE it is artsd, if do not use either KDE or GNOME you can still run the deamons by themselves Munir Nassar From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Sep 1 21:24:35 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network engineering positions? In-Reply-To: <04b301c25221$60921520$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> References: <04b301c25221$60921520$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020902021456.GD14625@tcopensys.com> I took the liberty to forward this post to the proper list. tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 08:38:02PM -0500, Jay Austad wrote: >One thing I've noticed, is that a lot of companies who are listing Network >engineer positions, consider them to be Windows admin jobs, with very little >switching and routing experience required. Shouldn't these be listed as Sys >Admin positions? It's rather annoying when you come up with a list of jobs, >and 90% of them are strictly doing windows admin stuff. > >I left my job at MarketWatch last week, and now I'm currently looking. 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I have also used the GTK front end and it helps set options before sending the job to the printer (color vs. black and white settings and resolution and what not.) Just install gtklp: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~sirtobi/gtklp/ For a pretty dialog when printing to Cups. Kelly Black KB0GBJ ----------------------------------------------------- URL from google that may help you: http://linux-sxs.org/pipermail/linux-users/2002-June/005095.html Aw, why not paste it here: ----------------------------------------------------- Can't access printer - Never mind edj linux-users@linux-sxs.org Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:06:22 -0400 Previous message: Can't access printer - Never mind Next message: Can't access printer - Never mindMessages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Sun June 23 2002 02:36 pm, Net Llama! wrote: > Care to elaborate how, so that others might benefit in the future? > > edj wrote: > > Sorry to have posted. Solved with lpadmin. /etc/cups/printers.conf had "AllowUser All". I thought that was good enough. After many vain attempts at reconfiguring, I was willing to take a stab at anything. So, I ran: lpadmin -p ps1 -u allow:root,edj, That is, I added every user manually, rather than relying on "All". That did it. Humming along perfectly now. Go figure. Whoever is not listed will not print, even root. -- Ed Jabbour ================================================================= I had written: Anyone with a hint why I can't print? CUPS 1.1.10-3, HP 812C printer, ESP Ghostscript 7.05-2. /var/log/cups/errors.log: d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] ProcessIPPRequest(0x402c1008[3]): operation_id = 0002 d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job(0x402c1008[3], ipp://localhost:631/printers/ps1) D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job: auto-typing file... D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job: request file type is text/plain. d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] check_quotas(0x402c1008[3], 0x8093940[ps1]) D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] check_quotas: requesting-user-name = 'edj' I [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] Denying user "edj" access to printer "ps1" <------------------------ d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] send_ipp_error(0x402c1008[3], 404) <-------- D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] Sending error: client-error-not-possible Port 631 is open and listening; why the 404?? Where can I get myself acces to my printer?? Thanks for any help. From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Sep 1 23:17:03 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020829142429.GA13877@sadalbari> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> <20020829142429.GA13877@sadalbari> Message-ID: <1030938566.14753.1.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 09:24, Lorry wrote: > Incoming CSci grad orientation was yesterday, and what I remember of last > year's, there didn't seem to be a good place to plug linux there. I'm not > sure how different the undergrad one is... > I found out about TCLUG from a flyer in EE/CS. I was walking to class and > I saw a picture of Tux on the bulletin board outside and it caught my eye. Christ, those worked? I'll find my tex template and post it, and try to make all the future posters, too :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 1 23:19:10 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TurboLinux In-Reply-To: <7DC1217518FCD311A08A0050DA78574006A6DF31@iamspems04.interprise.com> References: <7DC1217518FCD311A08A0050DA78574006A6DF31@iamspems04.interprise.com> Message-ID: <20020902035710.GA870@iucha.net> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 07:25:54AM -0500, Mattingly, Kelly wrote: > I am a new Linux user and I am trying to load turbolinux. I used partition > magic to split my hard drive and began to load the program. I keep getting ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ do you mean "start the install" > an error when I get to the boot loader section, instr. said to skip the step > so I did. I cannot seem to get the machine to boot to Linux though, it keeps > going straight to Windows. Instr. also say to make a boot disk from Dos > mode, however the CD I am using does not seem to have the file the instr. > say to copy. dosutils\images\???, I have a boot disk with the software, but > it wants to reinstall Linux on my machine again. Like I said I am a new user > that really wants to learn Linux, but I have no idea what I am doing. Is the cd bootable? If it's the first cd it should. Can the machine boot from the cd? If you really want linux, I would advise you to pick a different distro. TurboLinux is going through uncertain times. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Look at setting up a share that allows 'pcguest' user access on Samba, and mapping that pcguest user to a valid user on your Linux box, like 'nobody'. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had some sig11s occasionally; and I wondered if it was the CPU, so I replaced it with a real Intel P166... which ran noticeably slower, and still had the sig11s. Scott Fritchie used a C3 for his workstation. www.snookles.com/scott/quietpc-1.html I'd certainly consider getting one, to build a quiet PC with. speaking of quiet computers, check out www.quietpc.com; drive silencers, quiet CPU fans, other goodies. :) Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 2 00:37:17 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors In-Reply-To: <00ad01c24f21$93d96c10$0201a8c0@office>; from rclark@lakesplus.com on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:01:54AM -0500 References: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> <00ad01c24f21$93d96c10$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20020902002318.F11136@real-time.com> > in addition .. there are companies out there that are using CPUs like this > to make large CHEAP clusters for high end cluster computing ... some of them > can get like 20+ across in a 4U (I believe that is the right rack/case) 24 blades in 3U for the RLX chassis. Transmeta CPUs. http://www.rlxtechnologies.com/ Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From webmaster at aardvarko.com Mon Sep 2 00:39:29 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem -- follow-on problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: su root;chmod 000 $(which fam) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert Leduc Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:35 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem -- follow-on problem OK, so I thought I had it. I killed the stray fam process and could mount and unmount the drive at will. At least until I rebooted the machine. Every time I do, xinetd restarts this fam thing and I can't unmount the drive without killing it. If I restart xinetd using /etc/inetd/xinetd restart, I can mount and unmount the drive. I don't understand why xinetd (or perhaps more properly, the service sgi_fam) feels the need to start fam when I boot up, but forgets all about it if I restart xinetd. Reinstalling the rpms for xinetd and fam did not fix it. Workarounds would include disabling the sgi_fam service, or having one of my local initscripts just restart xinetd, but that's somewhat unsatisfactory. If something is damaged, I'd rather fix it. Right now, I've disabled the sgi_fam service. It seems someone is telling sgi_fam that it needs to fire up fam to look at this drive (hda1, on /mnt/winc) when I boot. I'd like to make it stop, but I don't know how it's happening. Any suggestions very welcome. Thanks again, Rob _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 From webmaster at aardvarko.com Mon Sep 2 00:41:39 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with Apache and Options Indexes In-Reply-To: <1030683682.21683.12.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: As far as I know, it's just "Options Indexes", not "Options +Indexes". -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:01 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with Apache and Options Indexes Hi, I'm in charge of an Apache machine that serves a lot of virtual hosts. The boss just told me that he doesn't want directory contents to display in the absence of index.html -- that wasn't a problem. I do however want to be able to enable this upon a user's request. I tried setting Options +Indexes in the virutal hosts section, and it didn't work, I tried to do it in .htaccess, and it didn't work. I think I tried everything i can think of and it just doesn't work. I'm using Debian's apache 1.13. I have an httpd.conf, an srm.conf, and an access.conf. AllowOverrides are set to "All." so .htaccess should work. What gives!? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu From mikey at five-elements.com Mon Sep 2 00:59:57 2002 From: mikey at five-elements.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba In-Reply-To: <87C39938C359334587438E2181CA4364A5D740@POSTVS01.uwstout.edu> Message-ID: <87C39938C359334587438E2181CA436429FEA5@POSTVS01.uwstout.edu> It's a guest account and the Samba How-to I believe go over it. -`mx -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba In Win9x, it's possible to set up a read/write share with no password. If you're on the same LAN, you automatically have full rights to that share. No questions asked. I want to do the same on samba, but I can't find any docs on how to do it. Any ideas on where I can find info on this? Yes, I have a legit reason. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Sep 2 01:10:41 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1st time newbie question In-Reply-To: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> References: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020828202011.GA29755@tcopensys.com> I would start at http://hp.sf.net/ They have ported alot of their drivers to linux. I am fairly sure the officejet stuff is in there as well. I am sure you can make it work. good luck and Have fun...... :-) On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:58:00PM -0700, pt becker wrote: >Hi there >I recently installed SUSE 8.0 on new box, the install went smooth and I >have been tweaking on it for the last few days. I hope this isn't too >simple of a question or an - oh crap I should have known that kind of >question - because I have a few of these newbie questions. Anyways, with >the install YAST did recognized my printer (HP OfficeJet 570), >however, YAST recognized it as gray scale (black & white) and the >printer is a color printer. You know - its like I'm watching TV and the >screen is black & white when I have a decent color TV. Please point me >in the direction so I can send color to my printer, if you need more >info on my box let me know. >Thanks in advance - Pete > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to pick up the whole surplus at the same time (prolly 2 truck loads or less). cheers... -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020902/90a83005/attachment.pgp From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Sep 2 08:17:57 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829013847.M2073@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> <20020829013847.M2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020829161816.GA30105@fireopal.org> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:38:47AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > as for post-it notes, there are much better ways to authenticate > someone, my girlfriends father has to use a usb keyfob device to > activate his workstation, you can also use devices such as retina > scanners, fingerprint scanners, and (much more cheaply) voice print > identification. http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9808.html#biometrics Bruce Schneier has some strong opinions on biometrics (among others - what happens when someone steals your thumbprint? It's really hard to get issued a new one... - and don't tell me they can't. A cryptographer in Japan - Tsutomu Matsumoto - and his students defeated eleven commercially available fingerprint scanners 80% of the time using about $10 worth of household supplies - something equivalent to gummi worms is one of the major components. See http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0205.html#5) The USB keyfob is good - Bruce's opinion is that the best security is a combination of something you have plus something you know. I.e., a security card plus a password is good. For purposes of security, you want the identifiers to be something you can cancel and reissue. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Mon Sep 2 08:53:09 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: Hey I'd be glad to help with organizing an InstallFest at St Thomas. We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and faculty both would welcome the opportunity to speak with some Linux gurus, get some setup help, etc. Give me some info/contacts and I'll run with it. We should do it at the beginning of the semester before things really get cooking (i.e. within the next month or so). Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Cole To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 8/29/02 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get publicity enough. --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > Importance: High > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > donate some cash to > get the word out. > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ccox at linuxsnob.com Mon Sep 2 08:56:49 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? several people have suggested different options on the software to to this. I would suggest that as you make a decision, keep scaleability in mind. if you need 4000 mailboxes today, what's to say you're not going to need 5 or 6000 next month. Put a simple ip sprayer in front of your virus scanning machines, or just a round-robin DNS entry, this solves 2 problems, - if you only find that a virus scanning tool can only handle say, 2000 mailboxes, then you just have two of them, and secondly, if you loose one of them, your still operational, just slow. this also allows for easy growth, if you need to go to 6000 mailboxes, add another scanner & add its ip to the round robin. -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Sep 2 09:58:36 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? References: <001101c24f21$78a0e2c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> <003801c24f60$149d40e0$566fd18c@OSS22904> Message-ID: <001c01c24f7c$3c43a3c0$a001a8c0@rummey> I'm currently a sophmore at the U, I think it owuld be cool to paint TCLUG on the bridge during the traditional "Paint the Bridge" time. It would be up for a year and I'm sure anyone interested in linux would check us out if they saw it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > Hey I'd be glad to help with organizing an InstallFest at St Thomas. We're a > complete M$ house, and I know that the students and faculty both would > welcome the opportunity to speak with some Linux gurus, get some setup help, > etc. Give me some info/contacts and I'll run with it. We should do it at the > beginning of the semester before things really get cooking (i.e. within the > next month or so). > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Cole" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:56 AM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > > > > UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do > info > > booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed > > during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better > in > > the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in > > apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific > > applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. > > Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux > (he's > > a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not > > really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. > > Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do > an > > InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get > > publicity enough. > > > > > > --- > > Chuck > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > > > new incoming > > > freshmen know about tclug? > > > > > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > > > > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > > > donate some cash to > > > get the word out. > > > > > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > > > > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > > > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dante at plethora.net Mon Sep 2 10:49:07 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Dan Rue wrote: > > Most of the people I know do Linux/BSD _or_ MacOS and don't > > bother with dual booting. > > Why would you spend the extra money on Mac hardware if you're just going > to run linux/bsd? > Because it is better? Macs are much more durable than their x86 counterparts. I have a second-hand Mac 7200 that has outlasted 3 x86 boxes, just in the time that _I_ have had it. My kids use it for games now, so it isn't treated gently. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Mon Sep 2 11:11:06 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble References: Message-ID: <002f01c25298$f9e1d9f0$566fd18c@OSS22904> Yup, that's what I did. No DNS, just a list... Thanks again everyone for the input! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Hemminger, Jeffrey D. wrote: > > > ah ha! ifconfig eth0 ... up > > where you can do this, and it "works" it is not the redhat way... > > if each of these computers has only 1 network card then use netconfig, > much easier to use, > > and instead of DNS just put the IPs inthe /etc/hosts file... > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Sep 2 12:46:56 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:26:17AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020902114859.F2073@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:26:17AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Because it is better? > Macs are much more durable than their x86 counterparts. I have > a second-hand Mac 7200 that has outlasted 3 x86 boxes, just > in the time that _I_ have had it. My kids use it for games > now, so it isn't treated gently. Kinda like the 486 SX-25 i've got running in my pile-o-computers, along with the 486 DX4-100 laptop, and the various P100-P233's also running without problems. But then there's the various Mac hardware that's hanging out in the closet, under everything else, not running because of the lack of backwards compatibility of Macintosh hardware. Don't get me wrong, I think Mac hardware is great, but it isn't as easy to swap around as x86, you don't get the variety, and you certainly pay more for something that may or may not be useful in a year or two. (compared to an x86 system that you can just swap in $100 worth of components (motherboard, cpu) and have an up to date CPU and motherboard that's capable of using all that old hardware from the last computer.) > -- > Daniel Taylor > dante@plethora.net -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 2 13:10:19 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829161816.GA30105@fireopal.org> References: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> <20020829013847.M2073@techmonkeys.org> <20020829161816.GA30105@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020902180532.GA31808@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 11:18:16AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: [snip] > The USB keyfob is good - Bruce's opinion is that the best security > is a combination of something you have plus something you know. > I.e., a security card plus a password is good. For purposes of > security, you want the identifiers to be something you can cancel > and reissue. I understand that at Counterpane, Inc. they use three things: something you have (fob), something you know (passphrase) and something you are (hand geometry?). IIRC somewhere Bruce suggests two out of three of these at minimum. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 2 18:34:15 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: Thread Hijack: TurboLinux Experts? WAS Re: [TCLUG] TurboLinux In-Reply-To: <7DC1217518FCD311A08A0050DA78574006A6DF31@iamspems04.interprise.com>; from kcmatti@qwest.com on Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 07:25:54AM -0500 References: <7DC1217518FCD311A08A0050DA78574006A6DF31@iamspems04.interprise.com> Message-ID: <20020902173315.B29520@real-time.com> Quoting Mattingly, Kelly (kcmatti@qwest.com): > > I am a new Linux user and I am trying to load turbolinux. I used > partition magic to split my hard drive and began to load the program. I can't remember any turbo linux "experts" at any installfest? In fact, I cannot remember any one ever installing turbo linux at an installfest. Not to hijack the thread, I'd like to know if anyone on the list is an turolinux person, so I can add them to the list I keep of people to talk to for distribution questions. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dante at plethora.net Mon Sep 2 21:46:41 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: <20020902114859.F2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:26:17AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > I didn't _think_ I was trolling... > > > Because it is better? OK, maybe I was a bit, but I am serious. > > Macs are much more durable than their x86 counterparts. I have > > a second-hand Mac 7200 that has outlasted 3 x86 boxes, just > > in the time that _I_ have had it. My kids use it for games > > now, so it isn't treated gently. > > Kinda like the 486 SX-25 i've got running in my pile-o-computers, along > with the 486 DX4-100 laptop, and the various P100-P233's also running without > problems. > I've had x86 systems like that too, but my experience has been that it is more common with Macs. > But then there's the various Mac hardware that's hanging out in the closet, > under everything else, not running because of the lack of backwards > compatibility of Macintosh hardware. > Mind, I don't have any Mac hardware older than my PCI+PPC 7200 system. But I think we are at a point right now where engineering is more important than raw performance for most uses (hardcore gaming and similar high-performance applications excluded). After all, you can still get good use out of a P233 if you run Linux or BSD on it, and you will be able to for quite some time to come. Any Mac you buy today should be more than adequate for at least the next few years, and should last far longer. > Don't get me wrong, I think Mac hardware is great, but it isn't as easy > to swap around as x86, you don't get the variety, and you certainly pay > more for something that may or may not be useful in a year or two. > > (compared to an x86 system that you can just swap in $100 worth of > components (motherboard, cpu) and have an up to date CPU and motherboard > that's capable of using all that old hardware from the last computer.) > I think that upgradability is overrated (I've done enough of it over the last decade+ to have some perspective), and it only applies to desktop/server type systems. Laptops are rarely upgradable to any significant degree. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 2 22:04:04 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Klez curiosity... Message-ID: Did anyone on this list receive Klez from an address of redhat-list@redhat.com? It's been bounced off some .jp mail servers, I'm trying to figure out if a geek friend of mine has Klez, possibly from this list. I've received Klez masq'd as some other geek addresses, so I have to assume A) I know a linux user who's carelessly using Outlook or B) I know a linux user who tried to port it to WINE. -Brian From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Sep 2 22:04:35 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers In-Reply-To: <20020828231340.GA30872@tcopensys.com> References: <20020828231340.GA30872@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <20020903025435.GE14625@tcopensys.com> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:13:40PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: >I have an administrator looking at me to get rid of quite a few old >computers for him. They are mainly low end pentium HP Vectras. There >are also several 15" ctx monitors and a few HP 500 printers. There is >some misc junk as well. >I already have all the spare "junk" I can handle. I have promised a >couple of these boxen to a 12 year old kid down the block ( he is very >interested in building computers, he even runs Linux!). >If any of you are interested please mail me off-list and we can talk >about it. >I need to pick up the whole surplus at the same time (prolly 2 truck >loads or less). >cheers... Thanks for all the response! I am tenatively planning to give these things away on Wed Sep 3, 2002 in the afternoon. I don't want to say an exact time now, I need to check with the Administrator over there first. I will post the time and location as soon as I know. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This makes tracking the source just a bit more difficult... -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Brian wrote: > Did anyone on this list receive Klez from an address of > redhat-list@redhat.com? It's been bounced off some .jp mail servers, I'm > trying to figure out if a geek friend of mine has Klez, possibly from this > list. I've received Klez masq'd as some other geek addresses, so I have > to assume A) I know a linux user who's carelessly using Outlook or B) I > know a linux user who tried to port it to WINE. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From estabroo at talkware.net Tue Sep 3 13:30:54 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? References: Message-ID: <3D74A97D.1010306@talkware.net> Daniel Taylor wrote: >>(compared to an x86 system that you can just swap in $100 worth of >>components (motherboard, cpu) and have an up to date CPU and motherboard >>that's capable of using all that old hardware from the last computer.) >> > > I think that upgradability is overrated (I've done enough of it > over the last decade+ to have some perspective), and it only > applies to desktop/server type systems. Laptops are rarely upgradable > to any significant degree. > I just can't resist. Macs can be upgradeable you just have to know where to look. There is a complete motherboard replacement for the PPC7200 but it only brings up to a 604 I believe (that was a few years ago it might be a better board now or completely unavailable). The 7500 has the cpu on a daughtercard so you can completely replace it (I put a G3 cpu card in mine), granted OSX won't recognize some of these upgrades, but linux runs great on it. I've also had every PCI pc card I have work in my Mac 7500 running linux with the notable exception of the Video card. I still had to get a Mac specific video card. But I've thrown in usb expansion cards, modem cards, serial cards, and ethernet cards without any problems. http://www.smalldog.com has a nice mac selection (I'm not affiliated with them, but I have purchased stuff from them and have always had good service) Eric From dante at plethora.net Tue Sep 3 14:01:48 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip code finder thingy In-Reply-To: <052a01c25300$528e5440$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> Message-ID: www.jcsm.com zip.langenberg.com -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Jay Austad wrote: > Does anyone know where I find something to do one of those "find the nearest > store" things where you put in your zip code and it will return a list of > stores sorted by closest to the furthest? > > I have a friend that needs something like that on his site. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 3 14:09:36 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors In-Reply-To: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> References: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> Message-ID: <1031061644.15941.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 12:23, Brent Metzler wrote: > I just noticed on the back of the latest Tiger Direct catalog that they > were selling Via C3 processors. In fact, they were only $20 more then a > comparable Duron mhz wise. > > I haven't heard of the C3 processor before. Does anyone know anything > about it? What makes it special? Is it worth the extra money? Looks like Microtel, the supplier of those Wal-Mart Lindows computers, uses it in their boxes. http://www.theregus.com/content/54/26164.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If at first you don't / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ succeed, then skydiving \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) definitely isn't for you. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There used to be the 4billion phone book CD's they'd sell, but that was for windows apps. From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Sep 3 14:14:56 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: The paint the bridge is an annual event, and I believe they allow walk-ons when there's a group that doesn't show. The event goes on tomorrow (Sept 4th) and Thursday, Sept 5th. I'll be there, but for another group so I don't think I'll be able to help, but usually you just go up to the east bank end of the bridge and that's where the organizers will be. John >>> alcyone@slava.net 08/31/02 10:15AM >>> I just got an email from the school reminding me about the bridge painting they do every semester. Organizations have to sign up ahead of time and registration is closed, but I think they let individuals paint stuff too on a first come first serve basis. I have a friend that painted something last year but I've never done it, so if anyone knows more about this feel free to chime in. I'm pretty sure you can paint anything you want since I've seen such useful panels as "Everybody poops" in the past. If you don't know what I'm talking about, there's a pedestrian bridge over the Washington Ave. bridge to get between the East and West Banks of campus. There's a covered part of the bridge, and on the inside of that there are lots of things painted on each panel - some of it informing you of various things to do on campus, some telling you which dorm or frat is the best ever, and so forth... If someone knows more about this than I do and it's possible for a few of us to meet up on the bridge painting day for this semester and maybe just paint a tux and the URL? Paint and brushes are provided there. If we needed to register ahead of time, maybe we could do it next semester at least. Lorry What a fine Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:39:55PM -0500 it was when Bob Tanner said: > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020903/f7e2d228/attachment.html From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Tue Sep 3 14:18:01 2002 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Willenbring, Daniel J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: Interweb must have gobbled up my first message.. here it is again! > We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and > faculty both would welcome the opportunity I'd be glad to help out whatever way(s) I can.? For reference, I am a senior CS/Chem double major.? Last time I walked into the science building with a Tux shirt on, I got a few snickers and a snide remark from the CS faculty :) (perhaps the grad faculty is more receptive?)? The closest thing to a Linux box I've used on campus (that wasn't in my dorm room) is the OSX machines in our chem lab :) I think an installfest at St. Thomas would be great. Dan Willenbring -----Original Message----- From: Hemminger, Jeffrey D. To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 8/29/02 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Hey I'd be glad to help with organizing an InstallFest at St Thomas. We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and faculty both would welcome the opportunity to speak with some Linux gurus, get some setup help, etc. Give me some info/contacts and I'll run with it. We should do it at the beginning of the semester before things really get cooking (i.e. within the next month or so). Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info > booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed > during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in > the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in > apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific > applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. > Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's > a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not > really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. > Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an > InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get > publicity enough. > > > --- > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > > Importance: High > > > > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > > new incoming > > freshmen know about tclug? > > > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > > donate some cash to > > get the word out. > > > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at workscited.net Tue Sep 3 14:22:43 2002 From: ben at workscited.net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <20020902114859.F2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020903095050.00adceb0@mail.max.inter.net> At 07:24 PM 9/2/2002 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: >I think that upgradability is overrated (I've done enough of it >over the last decade+ to have some perspective), and it only >applies to desktop/server type systems. Laptops are rarely upgradable >to any significant degree. That was the major consideration in my ditching my PowerBook G3 for an Athlon-based tower last year: I couldn't buy new hardware for it. I was running Linux on the PowerBook and having all sorts of trouble finding PowerPC-compatible software (since I'm not much good with compilers), and I figured if I was going to run Linux, I should have the hardware that Linux was designed to run on. And then I bought the cheapest hardware available and found that it has all sorts of incompatibilities, but that's another story. ;-) When I was a Mac guy I definitely found Mac hardware more reliable than cheap PC stuff. But cheap PC stuff is much easier to find. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 3 14:28:25 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip code finder thingy In-Reply-To: <052a01c25300$528e5440$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Jay Austad wrote: > Does anyone know where I find something to do one of those "find the nearest > store" things where you put in your zip code and it will return a list of > stores sorted by closest to the furthest? he can put a link to yahoomaps(http://maps.yahoo.com) or mapquest(http://mapquest.com) Munir Nassar From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Sep 3 14:29:19 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free Equiptment Give Away Message-ID: <20020903152820.GB25021@tcopensys.com> Where: Luther Seminary 2481 Como - St. Paul When: Wednesday Sept 4, 2002 3:00pm What: I talked to the Admin over there today. He has about 4-5 computers, a dozen monitors, several printers, and some misc (keyboard,mouse,pc-cards,etc....) items to be rid off. This will be on a first come first serve basis. We will be meeting at the Northwestern Building and then driving down the block to the building where the computers currently live. If you take the Como exit off of hwy 280 and head East on Como you will see the campus on the North side of the block. Continue heading east on Como and follow the curve to the left ( it is actually a left turn, but just slightly). After about 100yards you will see a sign on the left-hand side of the street for the "Northwestern Building" and an entrance. I will be in or around ( school is in session and parking may be cramped) that parking lot. I have a black dodge caravan (mini-van). You can also call me if you don't see me 651-230-6427. If you do plan on coming down, please shoot me an e-mail so I know who I will be waiting for. http://mappoint.msn.com/map.aspx?L=USA&C=44.9863326745823%2c-93.2007476794274&A=7.16666666666667&P=|44.9863326745823%2c-93.2007476794274|1|2481+Como+Ave%2c+St+Paul%2c+MN+55108|L1| -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack "Jay Austad" wrote: > > Does anyone know where I find something to do one of > those "find the nearest > store" things where you put in your zip code and it > will return a list of > stores sorted by closest to the furthest? > > I have a friend that needs something like that on his > site. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dave at droyer.org Tue Sep 3 14:39:39 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip code finder thingy In-Reply-To: <052a01c25300$528e5440$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> References: <052a01c25300$528e5440$6945a8c0@office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020903161238.GA12416@merlin.droyer.org> You can get the US Census data from: http://ftp.census.gov/geo/www/gazetteer/places.html I believe the file contains the zipcode and the lat & long for the center of the zipcode. Given the lat & long, you whould be able to whip a quick program to do find all the stores in a given circle. I probably have some sample code around here somewhere if you need help. Dave On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jay Austad wrote: > Does anyone know where I find something to do one of those "find the nearest > store" things where you put in your zip code and it will return a list of > stores sorted by closest to the furthest? > > I have a friend that needs something like that on his site. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Tue Sep 3 18:02:39 2002 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netcraft-like MTA survey? Message-ID: <1031085575.6777.26.camel@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> Hello! I was wondering if anyone knows of a Web site that polls SMTP servers and gathers statistics of the most popular MTAs? Our company is considering replacing our Sendmail UNIX mail relays with Microsoft Exchange. I definitely do not share this vision, and wanted to gather as much evidence as possible that open-source MTAs--Sendmail, Qmail, Postfix, Exim, others--are the most popular choice for mail relays, particularly for high-volume sites. Does anyone have a list of major ISPs/big corporations/other high profile sites/and what MTAs they use? Also, any other information on why we should NOT use Exchange would be greatly appreciated! I know I'm going to be over my head in FUD and would want to provide facts instead of (only) zealotry :D Thanks in advance! Brandon From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Sep 3 18:05:31 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Mac? Message-ID: <423b77ce02392a07d2@[172.29.97.10]> > > And then I bought the cheapest hardware available and found > that it has all > sorts of incompatibilities, but that's another story. ;-) > > When I was a Mac guy I definitely found Mac hardware more > reliable than > cheap PC stuff. But cheap PC stuff is much easier to find. It all comes down to do you just want to buy something and have it work, even if it costs a little more, or do you like to play with hardware. I messed with too many pc's with junk hardware at work, so at home its mac and sparc. IPC 2002 From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Sep 3 18:09:38 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: I was wrong, the paint the bridge (if anyone is going to do this) is Thursday, Sept. 4 and Friday, Sept. 5 from 9 AM to 4 PM. If you're not signed up, get there early to try to get a spot. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 3 22:00:16 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: What is needed? WAS Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: ; from HoffossJ@facm.umn.edu on Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:34:48AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> Quoting John Hoffoss (HoffossJ@facm.umn.edu): > > The paint the bridge is an annual event, and I believe they allow > walk-ons when there's a group that doesn't show. The event goes on > tomorrow (Sept 4th) and Thursday, Sept 5th. I'll be there, but for > another group so I don't think I'll be able to help, but usually you > just go up to the east bank end of the bridge and that's where the > organizers will be. I'll print up several thousand tclug flyers. Just Tux, and the url. How do I get them to people who expressed interest in distributing them? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From strothlo at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 3 22:16:29 2002 From: strothlo at redconcepts.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting on FRIDAY Message-ID: Yes, it's the first week of non-Thursday beermeetings. Thanks to everyone for their input about this! Mondays and Fridays were practically a tie and since Monday was a holiday that decided for me. This week, we're heading back to Pizza Luce downtown. (119 N 4th St) As always, everyone is welcome! We'll have Tuxes on the table so any new people can find us easily, and I'll be making a reservation later this week, so you could also just ask for TCLUG. Hope you can make it! Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 4 00:11:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: What is needed? WAS Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'll print up several thousand tclug flyers. several THAUSAND?? did i read that right? > Just Tux, and the url. that sounds good, thought it assumes that people already know who and what tux is... > How do I get them to people who expressed interest in distributing them? fax em, every single one, make sure you distroy the originals... Munir Nassar From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 4 09:15:03 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, John Hoffoss wrote: > I was wrong, the paint the bridge (if anyone is going to do this) is > Thursday, Sept. 4 and Friday, Sept. 5 from 9 AM to 4 PM. If you're not > signed up, get there early to try to get a spot. Okay, I emailed Spencer off-list when he goofed up, but I have to clarify this for those people who don't seem to have util-linux (of which cal(1) is apparently a part) installed: [jima@beer jima]$ cal 09 2002 September 2002 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Unless you're planning really far ahead for next year, in which case, never mind. ;) Sorry to nitpick, but this is the second time this week. What's going on? :P Jima From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 4 09:22:28 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:12 2005 Subject: What is needed? WAS Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> References: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031144534.23759.531.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 21:22, Bob Tanner wrote: > Just Tux, and the url. I'd recommend putting "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" on there too > How do I get them to people who expressed interest in distributing them? The meeting on Saturday would be a good time. You can give them out in piles of 50 or something. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm moving to Mars next / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ week. You have any extra \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) boxes? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, I haven't done enough digging - anyone know how techie you have to be to get xbox-linux running right now? http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbox-linux/ -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From strothlo at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 4 10:42:26 2002 From: strothlo at redconcepts.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So do we wanna get a small group together to meet and do this? I could show up at 9. I have class at 11:15, so before or after said class works for me. Samir said he could show at 1 if we don't want to be there so early, but since we aren't signed up maybe we should. Anyone else want to join up? Lorry From johnl at cs.wisc.edu Wed Sep 4 10:52:49 2002 From: johnl at cs.wisc.edu (J David Lee) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: Any camera that uses compact flash or smart media can be read with a usb reader in linux. On 4 Sep 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list > of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. > > -- J. David Lee From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 4 10:53:49 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020904152055.GA25291@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:14:09AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list > of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. I just got a Canon S40. It's an awesome camera and gphoto2 lists it as supported. The camera stores images on a CF card and has a USB port for transfer to a PC. Another approach, of course, is to use a simple CF card reader. Much faster. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 4 10:54:07 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: What is needed? WAS Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> References: <20020903212239.A25439@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031153366.3721.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> > How do I get them to people who expressed interest in distributing them? Yeah, the LUG meeting is good. Sign me up for 50-100. Samir M. Nassar From scotty at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 4 12:06:25 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Dedicated Gaming Hardware Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20020904144124.GB12729@fireopal.org> References: <20020904144124.GB12729@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <200209041605.g84G5iA14022@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Wednesday 04 September 2002 09:41 am, you wrote: > Anyone have the expertise & willingness to talk to a 14-year-old > about the pros and cons of the various gaming systems - Xbox, > Playstation 2, and Gamecube? Good Morning Scott, my son is the assistant manager of the local Funcoland. He knows his games and what is good and what is not. A little background; he was in 5th or 6th grade (sorry i can't remember) when he got Mortal Combat 2 for Christmas. In 2 days he had beaten it with all the players. He has gone on and done some testing and evaluations for various game manufacturers. He has bought and sold every game system out there (we bought the first one and after that we have not spent a penny on them). Now he has all the popular ones at home and plays what ever he likes. I have spoke with him and he is willing to email him. We live is St Cloud so getting together might be a bit tough (between his school and work schedule). -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 4 12:20:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: ; from strothlo@redconcepts.net on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:56:50AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020904121644.A22544@real-time.com> Quoting Lorry Lee Strother (strothlo@redconcepts.net): > > So do we wanna get a small group together to meet and do this? > I could show up at 9. I have class at 11:15, so before or after said > class works for me. Samir said he could show at 1 if we don't want to be > there so early, but since we aren't signed up maybe we should. Anyone > else want to join up? I'll bring the flyers to the tclug meeting this month. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From strothlo at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 4 12:49:08 2002 From: strothlo at redconcepts.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020904121644.A22544@real-time.com> Message-ID: I was referring to the bridge painting, which I don't want to do by myself. I don't need to group up to post flyers. :) Lorry On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Lorry Lee Strother (strothlo@redconcepts.net): > > > > So do we wanna get a small group together to meet and do this? > > I could show up at 9. I have class at 11:15, so before or after said > > class works for me. Samir said he could show at 1 if we don't want to be > > there so early, but since we aren't signed up maybe we should. Anyone > > else want to join up? > > I'll bring the flyers to the tclug meeting this month. > From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 4 13:10:31 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also heard the S111 works as well. Jay On Wednesday 04 September 2002 8:14 am, Mike Hicks wrote: > I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list > of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 4 13:11:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group Message-ID: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> Anyone know what happened to the St Cloud Area Linux Users Group? They used to maintain a mailing list, but the domain expired, and I have no idea. I have seen a few cloudnet email addresses on the list, so I know you people are out there.. anyone interested in starting that up again? Jay From cznews at att.net Wed Sep 4 13:15:31 2002 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <200209041530.g84FUvd24196@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020904125803.0259e680@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> I can't recommend this strongly enough... Use the memory card in a "mass storage compatible device" & ditch the camera interface. The SanDisk ImageMate has worked flawlessly for me. $30, does both Smart Media & Compact Flash. Free after rebate at Best Buy if you buy a $59 128mg card. At 10:30 AM 9/4/2002, you wrote: >From: Mike Hicks >To: TCLUG >Date: 04 Sep 2002 08:14:09 -0500 >Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently >available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list >of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Sep 4 13:33:21 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020904125803.0259e680@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: I'll second that. I've got the same SanDisk ImageMate reader and it works just fine with linux. Jeff On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Carl Zeilon wrote: > I can't recommend this strongly enough... Use the memory card in a "mass > storage compatible device" & ditch the camera interface. > The SanDisk ImageMate has worked flawlessly for me. $30, does both Smart > Media & Compact Flash. Free after rebate at Best Buy if you buy a $59 > 128mg card. > > > At 10:30 AM 9/4/2002, you wrote: > >From: Mike Hicks > >To: TCLUG > >Date: 04 Sep 2002 08:14:09 -0500 > >Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > >available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list > >of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Sep 4 14:05:27 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020904134120.A6330@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:55:13PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Anyone know what happened to the St Cloud Area Linux Users Group? They used to > maintain a mailing list, but the domain expired, and I have no idea. I have > seen a few cloudnet email addresses on the list, so I know you people are out > there.. anyone interested in starting that up again? I just moved up to the St. Cloud area, and I'd be interested in getting it going again. Of course, getting a critical mass might difficult. Anyway count me in, though I don't know if I'll be able to do much to help it get rolling. Jim -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From nate at refried.org Wed Sep 4 14:08:10 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020904125803.0259e680@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20020904184448.GA5272@refried.org> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:18:53PM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > I can't recommend this strongly enough... Use the memory card in a "mass > > storage compatible device" & ditch the camera interface. > > I'll second that. I've got the same SanDisk ImageMate reader and it works > just fine with linux. I don't know which camera interfaces people are complaining about, but mine works fine[1]. I use the camera interface all the time with my Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom. I bought a card reader too, but I never use it. If anyone is interested, I hacked up some scripts to automatically copy pictures off my USB camera when it's plugged in. It works off the Debian hotplug package, but it should be adaptable to Redhat. Nate [1] After I hacked the kernel to support the slightly broken interface. From austad at signal15.com Wed Sep 4 14:09:45 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras References: Message-ID: <3D7653C9.3090104@signal15.com> Me too. Don't worry about whether or not the camera works under gphoto, just buy a CF or SmartMedia reader that works with linux. Must faster, and much more convenient for pulling photos. I have the Canon Elph S100, and I love it. The picture quality on Canon cameras seems to be consistently better than most other brands, at least for non-professional cameras. Kodak seems to be the only comparable brand as far as quality goes, but they buy their lenses from Canon. Plus, if you buy a Canon, they use CF cards. Some of their cameras support type 2 CF cards, which means you can use the IBM Microdrive in it to store your photos. I get 212 pics at 1600x1200 on my 128MB CF card, and 727 pics at 800x600. Jay jeffr@odeon.net wrote: >I'll second that. I've got the same SanDisk ImageMate reader and it works >just fine with linux. > >Jeff > > >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > >>I can't recommend this strongly enough... Use the memory card in a "mass >>storage compatible device" & ditch the camera interface. >>The SanDisk ImageMate has worked flawlessly for me. $30, does both Smart >>Media & Compact Flash. Free after rebate at Best Buy if you buy a $59 >>128mg card. >> >> >>At 10:30 AM 9/4/2002, you wrote: >> >> >>>From: Mike Hicks >>>To: TCLUG >>>Date: 04 Sep 2002 08:14:09 -0500 >>>Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras >>>Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> >>>I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently >>>available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list >>>of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Sep 4 14:10:13 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <045301c25444$56160c30$0201a8c0@office> I tried contacting that group at one point and heard nothing back. I am outstate - 180+ miles NW of the metro area, so a group closer to me would be great. I may attempt to make an occasional meeting in the metro area, but more often if it was closer. Maybe a quarterly meeting works better for a smaller group, less work, less demanding. Just a thought. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group > Anyone know what happened to the St Cloud Area Linux Users Group? They used to > maintain a mailing list, but the domain expired, and I have no idea. I have > seen a few cloudnet email addresses on the list, so I know you people are out > there.. anyone interested in starting that up again? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 4 14:27:13 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: ; from strothlo@redconcepts.net on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:23:12PM -0500 References: <20020904121644.A22544@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020904140600.V9562@real-time.com> Quoting Lorry Lee Strother (strothlo@redconcepts.net): > I was referring to the bridge painting, which I don't want to do by > myself. I don't need to group up to post flyers. :) Really? :-P Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 4 14:28:05 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:51:44PM -0500 References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also heard the > S111 works as well. What are the megapixel rating on these cameras? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 4 14:28:16 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:55:13PM -0500 References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020904140906.Y9562@real-time.com> Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > Anyone know what happened to the St Cloud Area Linux Users Group? They used to > maintain a mailing list, but the domain expired, and I have no idea. I have > seen a few cloudnet email addresses on the list, so I know you people are out > there.. anyone interested in starting that up again? This is why I advocated having (at least as CNAME/aliases) all MN LUGs be a subdomain under mn-linux.org, so the whole domain expire thing doesn't happen. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 4 14:29:51 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Netcraft-like MTA survey? In-Reply-To: <1031085575.6777.26.camel@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> References: <1031085575.6777.26.camel@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <1031154484.16037.8.camel@runabout> On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 15:39, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > I definitely do not share this vision, and wanted to gather as much > evidence as possible that open-source MTAs--Sendmail, Qmail, Postfix, > Exim, others--are the most popular choice for mail relays, particularly > for high-volume sites. I've heard visi.com uses postfix for all their mail now. I installed postfix on itlabs.umn.edu last week. ringworld.org runs postfix. ringworld.org has 'high' volume for the amount of users we have active. But its not 'high volume'. murphy.debian.org just moved to postfix a day or two ago I believe. (Unless I was seeing things in IRC and not completly paying attention) Murphy is Debian's list server. stats: http://murphy.debian.org/mrtg/ Murphy pushes an amazing amount of mail. I think the postfix site has some other examples, too. Most likely bigger. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 4 15:25:07 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c25449$b61c9ef0$6401a8c0@HPZT> My old Polaroid PDC640 uses Smart Media and is a GREAT snapshot camera. Walmart had these on closeout for about $50 not long ago. It's serial, but I plan to hang onto mine a long time, and want to use some interface under Linux. Just because a camera has a serial interface is no reason to drop it from a compatibility list: brains or a USB media adapter can handle different media-level interfaces. Keep the app open and let someone add serial if you're not interested/able/informed. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of J David Lee > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:59 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital cameras > > > Any camera that uses compact flash or smart media can be read > with a usb > reader in linux. > > On 4 Sep 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > > available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 > has a long list > > of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old > serial ones.. > > > > > > -- > J. David Lee > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Fred.Zellinger at seagate.com Wed Sep 4 15:33:44 2002 From: Fred.Zellinger at seagate.com (Fred.Zellinger@seagate.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras Message-ID: I have a 3.2MP Nikon Coolpix 995 which I can mount as a SCSI drive using the Linux Kernel usb-scsi module. But how do I get linux to trigger the camera into taking a picture? Can this be done using USB and mass storage device drivers? Fred Bob Tanner Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org No Phone Info Available 09/04/02 02:06 PM Please respond to tclug-list To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital cameras Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also heard the > S111 works as well. What are the megapixel rating on these cameras? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020904/231d45bc/attachment.html From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 4 15:35:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: Proposed presentations on MTA WAS Re: [TCLUG] Re: Netcraft-like MTA survey? In-Reply-To: <1031154484.16037.8.camel@runabout>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 02:17:49PM -0500 References: <1031085575.6777.26.camel@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> <1031154484.16037.8.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <20020904150653.B22544@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > I've heard visi.com uses postfix for all their mail now. Sounds like a good meeting topic. A whirl-wind tour of MTAs? I don't know if any LUG member has experience with them all, but we could do a multi-person presentation? I'd be willing to do sendmail and team-up with Idiot Ben for exim. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 4 15:48:37 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020904202819.GD4767@fandre.com> I believe they just sort of fell apart. Tom lost interest in running the group and no one really picked it up. I'd be willing to work with someone to try and get things started up again. Maybe having it a branch of the TCLUG. On Wed, 04 Sep 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > Anyone know what happened to the St Cloud Area Linux Users Group? They used to > maintain a mailing list, but the domain expired, and I have no idea. I have > seen a few cloudnet email addresses on the list, so I know you people are out > there.. anyone interested in starting that up again? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 4 15:55:06 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <045301c25444$56160c30$0201a8c0@office> References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> <045301c25444$56160c30$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200209041537.10977.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 04 September 2002 1:53 pm, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I tried contacting that group at one point and heard nothing back. I am > outstate - 180+ miles NW of the metro area, so a group closer to me would > be great. I may attempt to make an occasional meeting in the metro area, > but more often if it was closer. > > Maybe a quarterly meeting works better for a smaller group, less work, less > demanding. Just a thought. > > Randy Good point. And I know there are a bunch of students in the St. Cloud area who run Linux, but gettting students organized for something that frequent is a pain. I know I dont have the time to do any organizing on that scale... Is there anyone willing to step up to the plate to organize this to be more than a quarterly gathering? I also dont have server space for any such things.. who at Real Time should I contact about getting something set up? Jay From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 4 15:55:24 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200209041540.00443.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 04 September 2002 2:06 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > > I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also > > heard the S111 works as well. > > What are the megapixel rating on these cameras? Hmm.. not sure of the top of my head. the PowerShot S110 is 2.11 megapixel resolution. But you may not be able to find that model anymore, I think it was discontinuted. Check out http://www.powershot.com/ for more info on that line of cameras. Jay From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 4 16:18:31 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020904210736.GB187@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 02:06:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > > I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also heard the > > S111 works as well. > > What are the megapixel rating on these cameras? Try http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/home.html for summaries of the Canon models. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 4 16:21:06 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031173712.32132.2.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 14:06, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > > I have a Canon S110 that works great with GPhoto2 and Kamera. I also heard the > > S111 works as well. > > What are the megapixel rating on these cameras? Is there a moderately accurate description of what a megapixel is? I have a couple of guesses (a million pixels, the number of pixels at 1024x768, etc), but I don't really know.. For example, what's a 1600x1200 camera come out to? I figure I'd like to at least have a camera that is capable of giving me a new desktop background ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bush and Gore make me wanna / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Ralph. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A 1600x1200 desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nate at refried.org Wed Sep 4 18:05:37 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> <1031173712.32132.2.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020904223927.GA5679@refried.org> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:41:23PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:08:32PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Is there a moderately accurate description of what a megapixel is? I > > have a couple of guesses (a million pixels, the number of pixels at > > 1024x768, etc), but I don't really know.. > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in millions). A 1600x1200 > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. There must be some wierd math in there because mine doesn't add up. Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom, 1.3 Mega pixels. Max res 1280x960. >>> 1280*960 1228800 >>> 1280*960/1000000. 1.2287999999999999 Since when does 1.22 round up to 1.3? Nate From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 4 18:30:30 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904223927.GA5679@refried.org> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> <20020904223927.GA5679@refried.org> Message-ID: <200209041818.38397.list@slushpupie.com> Never ask a marketer to do math.... > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in millions). A 1600x1200 > > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. > > There must be some wierd math in there because mine doesn't add up. > > Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom, 1.3 Mega pixels. Max res 1280x960. > > >>> 1280*960 > > 1228800 > > >>> 1280*960/1000000. > > 1.2287999999999999 > > Since when does 1.22 round up to 1.3? > From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 4 19:49:37 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904223927.GA5679@refried.org> References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209041251.44680.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904140639.W9562@real-time.com> <1031173712.32132.2.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> <20020904223927.GA5679@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020905000332.GA24512@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 05:39:27PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:41:23PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:08:32PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Is there a moderately accurate description of what a megapixel is? I > > > have a couple of guesses (a million pixels, the number of pixels at > > > 1024x768, etc), but I don't really know.. > > > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in millions). A 1600x1200 > > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. > > There must be some wierd math in there because mine doesn't add up. > > Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom, 1.3 Mega pixels. Max res 1280x960. > > >>> 1280*960 > 1228800 > >>> 1280*960/1000000. > 1.2287999999999999 > > Since when does 1.22 round up to 1.3? Ah, a Python programmer. :-) There's definitely some rounding at work with most of the cameras. My S40 gives a theoretical image size and an effective image size. I don't have the manual handy, but I'll look it up and do the math when I get home. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Sep 4 19:53:37 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <200209041818.38397.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <001801c25470$65168440$6462a8c0@slick> HP and Fuji (newer ones) support a flash disk emulation. (They show up as a removable drive) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jay Kline Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital cameras Never ask a marketer to do math.... > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in millions). A 1600x1200 > > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. > > There must be some wierd math in there because mine doesn't add up. > > Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom, 1.3 Mega pixels. Max res 1280x960. > > >>> 1280*960 > > 1228800 > > >>> 1280*960/1000000. > > 1.2287999999999999 > > Since when does 1.22 round up to 1.3? > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 4 19:58:24 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <002101c25475$b80e58d0$6401a8c0@HPZT> "Megapixel" alone doesn't tell you whether it's a linear or rectangular array. Sometimes the details really matter and pixel-level asymmetry can really mess up image processing math. Many CCD devices are TV format (something unrelated to 640x480 maybe 512x320. interlaced formats can get into the act also), scientific ones have square pixels and usually a symmetric array like 512x512 or larger. Cameras are usually not meant (ie, "not supported") for any technical or scientific purpose, so it may be best to ignore the details finer than +/- 25% pixel count unless you have a real need to know. Kodak supports some of their cameras.. including some source code. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital cameras > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:08:32PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Is there a moderately accurate description of what a > megapixel is? I > > have a couple of guesses (a million pixels, the number of pixels at > > 1024x768, etc), but I don't really know.. > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in millions). A 1600x1200 > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. > > -Tim > > -- From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 4 20:00:40 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <200209041818.38397.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <002201c25476$a9f53a10$6401a8c0@HPZT> Be fair: the engineers are the ones who can't do it this time: some CCDs use 3 pixels (RGB) to get color. Color doesn't come easily, so the actual focal plane geometry can be a real headache. 1.2 may be the actual "good" number. 1.3 may indicate some test/autofocus pixels exist along the edges. All these numbers may be a lie as far as actual monochromatic optical resolution is concerned at the centers of the R, B, and G passbands. Pixel counting is not where most folks really want to go.. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:19 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital cameras > > > Never ask a marketer to do math.... > > > > It's just the number of pixels in the image (in > millions). A 1600x1200 > > > desktop would be 1600 * 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels. > > > > There must be some wierd math in there because mine doesn't add up. > > > > Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom, 1.3 Mega pixels. Max res 1280x960. > > > > >>> 1280*960 > > > > 1228800 > > > > >>> 1280*960/1000000. > > > > 1.2287999999999999 > > > > Since when does 1.22 round up to 1.3? > > > _______________________________________________ From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 4 21:10:33 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <002101c25475$b80e58d0$6401a8c0@HPZT> References: <20020904214123.GA10422@isis.visi.com> <002101c25475$b80e58d0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020905014311.GA28398@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:45:32PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > "Megapixel" alone doesn't tell you whether it's a linear or rectangular > array. Sometimes the details really matter and pixel-level asymmetry can > really mess up image processing math. Many CCD devices are TV format > (something unrelated to 640x480 maybe 512x320. interlaced formats can get > into the act also), scientific ones have square pixels and usually a > symmetric array like 512x512 or larger. Cameras are usually not meant (ie, > "not supported") for any technical or scientific purpose, so it may be best > to ignore the details finer than +/- 25% pixel count unless you have a real > need to know. Kodak supports some of their cameras.. including some source > code. Well for the record, my Canon S40 manual says 4.1 million total pixels and 4 million effective pixels. The largest image the camera produces is 2272x1704 which works out to be: >>> 2272*1704 3871488 How's that for an answer. :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 4 21:36:37 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020905014311.GA28398@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <002b01c25483$d90026f0$6401a8c0@HPZT> You're learning the new math.. How many are white? ie, does the white light optical resolution match that? Same for .. say pure red (ie, no light through the other two colored filters.. or cyan, etc)? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:45:32PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > "Megapixel" alone doesn't tell you whether it's a linear or > rectangular > > array. Sometimes the details really matter and pixel-level > asymmetry can > > really mess up image processing math. Many CCD devices are > TV format > > (something unrelated to 640x480 maybe 512x320. interlaced > formats can get > > into the act also), scientific ones have square pixels and usually a > > symmetric array like 512x512 or larger. Cameras are > usually not meant (ie, > > "not supported") for any technical or scientific purpose, > so it may be best > > to ignore the details finer than +/- 25% pixel count unless > you have a real > > need to know. Kodak supports some of their cameras.. > including some source > > code. > > Well for the record, my Canon S40 manual says 4.1 million total pixels > and 4 million effective pixels. The largest image the camera produces > is 2272x1704 which works out to be: > > >>> 2272*1704 > 3871488 > > How's that for an answer. :-) > > -Tim > > -- > From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Sep 4 22:32:11 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Do you guys know if there is a way to update a file on a remote linux box without and NFS mount or anything like that? What I want to do is have a script running on server A that appends data to to a file on server A and appends data to server B, and server C. I was thinking that I could have the script do an rsync and pull the latest version of the remote file, append the data, then rsync and push the file back out with the update option. Sounds like a lot of hassel and I'm looking for a better way. I wish I cou do something something like this ... (ignore the syntax just trying to make an example) On local machine I would; cat newdata >> maindatafile or echo "This is the new data" >> maindatafile and something like this for the remote machine; cat newdata >> remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile or echo "This is the new data" >>remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile Any thoughts? Thanks Jim Streit From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 4 23:34:48 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:07:41PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > > What I want to do is have a script running on server A that appends data > to to a file on server A and appends data to server B, and server C. > > I was thinking that I could have the script do an rsync and pull the > latest version of the remote file, append the data, then rsync and push > the file back out with the update option. Sounds like a lot of hassel and > I'm looking for a better way. I don't think it would necessarily be a hassle. If you set up RSA authentication on the servers, then you could use rsync over ssh to do this pretty easily I would think. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 5 02:14:02 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020905053813.GC31709@tcopensys.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:07:41PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: >Do you guys know if there is a way to update a file on a remote linux >box without and NFS mount or anything like that? yes > >What I want to do is have a script running on server A that appends data >to to a file on server A and appends data to server B, and server C. ok > >I was thinking that I could have the script do an rsync and pull the >latest version of the remote file, append the data, then rsync and push >the file back out with the update option. Sounds like a lot of hassel and >I'm looking for a better way. rsync is a VERY good choice > >I wish I cou do something something like this ... (ignore the syntax just >trying to make an example) > >On local machine I would; > cat newdata >> maindatafile > or > echo "This is the new data" >> maindatafile > >and something like this for the remote machine; > cat newdata >> remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile > or > echo "This is the new data" >>remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile > >Any thoughts? yes scp and rsync sound like what you may want. if you truly want to cat file.foo >> remotehost:~/path/to/file.foo.master scp might be something to consider. You can tell scp to exec whatever task you want upon authentication. Just send cat to a | (pipe) and you should be on track. As far as updating files and directories remotely, rsync just rocks!! you can use ssh as the conduit to move the files with something as simple as : rsync -auve ssh /path/to/backup/ user@host.foo/path/to/master/ one gotcha is the trailing /'s!!! be careful with the trailing slashes. read the documentation for details. if you set up public key host authentication you can put that in your crontab and it will just happen. >Thanks > >Jim Streit > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see this by looking at the various channels of a fairly long exposure; without fail, the green channel will have the most detail (and least noise) and the blue will have the least detail and be most noisy. (In effect, you're only getting something like 1/6-1/8 of the total number of pixels for the blue channel. The camera's processor places them on an appropriate grid and interpolates for each channel separately, combining them for image output.) The "megapixel" number you see tends to be the actual sensor count, and thus is not necessarily correlating with any number of pixels for output. Fuji is one exception to all of the above; they use their own wacky rotated honeycomb sensor array and interpolate the whole mess to make whoppingly big images, rather than the quasi-standard Bayer array. Some company-or-other has managed to layer their CCD layers atop one another; their sensors have true RGB for every single pixel. They're also hellishly expensive and have not yet hit the market. Also, the hyper-expensive scanning digicams ($20,000+) usually sample true RGB. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Digital cameras > > > You're learning the new math.. How many are white? ie, does the white > light optical resolution match that? Same for .. say pure red > (ie, no light > through the other two colored filters.. or cyan, etc)? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:45:32PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > "Megapixel" alone doesn't tell you whether it's a linear or > > rectangular > > > array. Sometimes the details really matter and pixel-level > > asymmetry can > > > really mess up image processing math. Many CCD devices are > > TV format > > > (something unrelated to 640x480 maybe 512x320. interlaced > > formats can get > > > into the act also), scientific ones have square pixels and usually a > > > symmetric array like 512x512 or larger. Cameras are > > usually not meant (ie, > > > "not supported") for any technical or scientific purpose, > > so it may be best > > > to ignore the details finer than +/- 25% pixel count unless > > you have a real > > > need to know. Kodak supports some of their cameras.. > > including some source > > > code. > > > > Well for the record, my Canon S40 manual says 4.1 million total pixels > > and 4 million effective pixels. The largest image the camera produces > > is 2272x1704 which works out to be: > > > > >>> 2272*1704 > > 3871488 > > > > How's that for an answer. :-) > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Thu Sep 5 10:49:00 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <3D775694.2050608@talkware.net> Jim Streit wrote: > > On local machine I would; > cat newdata >> maindatafile > or > echo "This is the new data" >> maindatafile > > and something like this for the remote machine; > cat newdata >> remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile > or > echo "This is the new data" >>remote_machine:/file/location/maindatafile > > Any thoughts? > Thanks > An interesting way to do it would be to put a cvs repository on the remote box. set up a cvs pserver listening on localhost only. set up a stunnel (which could be ip wrapped to restrict access) to the pserver. Then just checkout the file, append to it, check in the file and use cvs's run script on check in option to export to the correct directory. Nice thing about this is it lets you track changes and revert to older copies if necessary. Or if you have an apache server on the remote box you could post the file to a cgi (or better yet just the changes). Or you could use web-dav with apache. Or you could write a little client/server app (scat/scatd or sapp/sappd) that lets you append to a remote file securely (hmmm, I'd check freshmeat on this one). hmmm I think someone wrote an ftpfs, so if you had an ftp server on the remote you could mount it over ftp and edit the file. I know kde lets you edit ftp files like they were local, but I don't think they are mounting, I think they are just hiding the fetch/store. which leads to a perl/expect script that ftps the file, mods it, ftps it back which would be similar to what you started with (only less secure, unless you used ssh's sftp option) Sorry for all this, I can see my perl affliction is affecting my brain :) Eric Ooh just thought of another one, syslog it over there. set the syslog on the remote to allow net logging and have a local program syslog the data to the remote box. From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Sep 5 11:15:40 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:14:09AM -0500 References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain> I just picked up at OfficeMax an Argus DC3200 for $60-$10mailin rebate. 1.3 MegaPixel(1024x768), also has flash, timer, CF slot,USB,Tv-out. Was unsucessful at getting SCSI-emulation/USB working, but I think a cheap card-reader will do the trick. Now to try and find a cheap card reader that works with Linux :) A card-reader will save on battery life, which is poor for cameras I'm told. When instructions say batteries may get warm after use, I guess that means the thing sucks juice. I'm told to invest in good rechargable batteries. The card-readers/writers take many forms from USB to PCMCIA-adapters to IDE-adapters. These are useful for embedded, ran into a distribution(PeeWee Linux?) that uses flash-cards and the IDE-adapters for a solid state system. They also sound like a useful alternative to the dreaded floppy disks. Speaking about inexpensive hardware, my HP 825c printer($50 officemax) is working under Linux. Its USB, comes with a color ink-cartridge, you need to buy the optional black-cartridge. Noticed some good deals on wireless-adapters at OfficeMax too. D-link DWL-650 PCMCIA adapter($40), and DWL-520 PCI-card($50?). Haven't started with the wireless thing yet, but I'm tempted. On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:14:09AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > I don't suppose there's a list out there somewhere of currently > available digital cameras that work with Linux? gphoto2 has a long list > of compatible cameras, but I'd like to filter out any old serial ones.. From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 5 11:18:21 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> If you just need to append data remotely, you can use an ssh pipe and perl: echo text | ssh remotemachine "perl -we 'print ' >> remotefile" On Wed, 04 Sep 2002, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:07:41PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > > > > What I want to do is have a script running on server A that appends data > > to to a file on server A and appends data to server B, and server C. > > > > I was thinking that I could have the script do an rsync and pull the > > latest version of the remote file, append the data, then rsync and push > > the file back out with the update option. Sounds like a lot of hassel and > > I'm looking for a better way. > > I don't think it would necessarily be a hassle. If you set up RSA > authentication on the servers, then you could use rsync over ssh to do > this pretty easily I would think. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 5 11:48:02 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <1140.65.116.187.194.1031238263.squirrel@www.northlans.com> I'm currently doing the rsync over ssh thing between the servers, but I was wondering if there would be a more efficent way to do the same thing. > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:07:41PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: >> >> What I want to do is have a script running on server A that appends >> data to to a file on server A and appends data to server B, and server >> C. >> >> I was thinking that I could have the script do an rsync and pull the >> latest version of the remote file, append the data, then rsync and >> push the file back out with the update option. Sounds like a lot of >> hassel and I'm looking for a better way. > > I don't think it would necessarily be a hassle. If you set up RSA > authentication on the servers, then you could use rsync over ssh to do > this pretty easily I would think. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 5 11:53:36 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <20020904202819.GD4767@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 03:28:19PM -0500 References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904202819.GD4767@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020905101555.A11588@real-time.com> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 03:28:19PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > I believe they just sort of fell apart. Tom lost interest in running > the group and no one really picked it up. I think the fundamental problem was that Tom forked off a couple of child processes, and they drove his system load too high to service social interrupts in a timely fashion. I don't worry about Bob doing this... I know he's done for already. ;) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From nate at refried.org Thu Sep 5 12:04:18 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:04:32AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > If you just need to append data remotely, you can use an ssh pipe and > perl: > > echo text | ssh remotemachine "perl -we 'print ' >> remotefile" Why add perl to the mix? The shell can do this just as well. echo "This is a test" | ssh logger@remotemachine 'cat >> remotefile' Nate From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 5 12:06:33 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <20020904134120.A6330@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:41:20PM -0500 References: <200209041255.13238.list@slushpupie.com> <20020904134120.A6330@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020905102158.B11588@real-time.com> > I just moved up to the St. Cloud area, and I'd be interested in > getting it going again. Of course, getting a critical mass might > difficult. > > Anyway count me in, though I don't know if I'll be able to do > much to help it get rolling. I think the best option would be to just arrange a beermeeting-type thing, rather than anything formal. just say you'll be at such-and-such place at a given time, and other people are welcome to show up and BS. say, Barnes & Noble on a saturday noon; or the like. (I myself won't have a saturday off until the end of Sept; since I work at RenFest; and I can't make it to St. Cloud before 8pm on weekdays; but hopefully other people can). Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 5 12:06:49 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: ; from Fred.Zellinger@seagate.com on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 02:59:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020905102237.I6312@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 02:59:12PM -0500, Fred.Zellinger@seagate.com wrote: > But how do I get linux to trigger the camera into taking a picture? Can > this be done using USB and mass storage device drivers? Considering that, as a rule, most mass storage devices are not capable of taking pictures, I doubt that the mass storage interface supports such a command. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 5 12:07:59 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux calendaring app Message-ID: <20020905102852.T4367@real-time.com> so it's not integrated with the mailer; but at least it's not web-based, and it looks like it's fairly functional. http://www.favorin.com/products/time/screenshots.shtml client appears to be free, and is usable for personal calendaring; calendar server is payware, and lets you schedule between people. at least that's how I read their blurb on Freshmeat. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 12:25:08 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain> Message-ID: <000901c254fd$d8d211a0$6401a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Karl Bongers > > A card-reader will save on battery life, which is poor for > cameras I'm told. When instructions say batteries may get warm > after use, I guess that means the thing sucks juice. I'm told to > invest in good rechargeable batteries. > You probably will get better lifetime and better cost from good throw-away batteries like Duracells. Rechargeable would be a real nuisance for me on a vacation trip. --- Chuck Cole Buying the right computer and getting it to work properly is no more complicated than building a nuclear reactor from wristwatch parts in a darkened room using only your teeth. - Dave Barry TCLUG Note: OuchLook to be replaced when Linmodem problems solved. Have HP driver and info from France, need to patch for 7.3 TCWUG Note: Then comes setup of the built-in Lan Express 802.11b From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 5 12:33:34 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020905171620.GJ21469@fandre.com> On Thu, 05 Sep 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:04:32AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > If you just need to append data remotely, you can use an ssh pipe and > > perl: > > > > echo text | ssh remotemachine "perl -we 'print ' >> remotefile" > > Why add perl to the mix? The shell can do this just as well. > > echo "This is a test" | ssh logger@remotemachine 'cat >> remotefile' > Cause I'm a perl junkie!?!? Thanks. I guess I missed the obvious. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 5 12:54:38 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen blanking Message-ID: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> I've got an annoying problem with my new box at work. Its a Compaq Evo with a new integrated video card on an Intel 845g chipset. The chipset isn't supported natively by XFree, so I am using the VESA driver. It works OK except that if I switch to a virtual terminal, logout of my X session, or the screen blanks due to inactivity, the xserver hangs. After it hangs, all I can get at vt7 is a blank screen. If I try to restart, it hangs immediately. So to get X to come back, I am forced to reboot. I submitted a bug on this and its been forwarded upstream, and I can deal with not changing virtual terminals or logging out of X. My problem is that I haven't been able to stop the automatic screen blanking. I thought that there should be an option somewhere in the BIOS, but the only option I see are for the stopping the hard drive and putting the whole computer in sleep mode. I tried setting the time limit on both of those to infinite, but that didn't help. So my question is, is there anywhere that this kind of stuff is taken care of in software? I looked around for a relevant X or apmd option, but I haven't had any luck. Anyway, any hints would be much appreciated. Having to hit a key every 15 minutes to keep my X session live is a PITA and I hate rebooting every morning. I may have to break down and find another video card to through in this thing or downgrade to XF 3. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 5 13:35:08 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <20020905102158.B11588@real-time.com> Message-ID: Well, I may as well make the big announcement. http://scalug.mn-linux.org is the new home for SCALUG. Bob, Jay, and I slapped some stuff together yesterday to get things back up. The mail list is hosted by Real Time and the web site sits on one of my boxen. At this point it's nothing exciting to look at, if anyone wants to take over as webmaster, the job is yours. At least the mail list is working, to use for arranging meetings and stuff. For now I'll try to make the site halfway interesting, and update it with meeting stats and stuff. -Brian From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 5 13:37:58 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen blanking In-Reply-To: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:46:26PM -0500 References: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020905131253.D4367@real-time.com> > using the VESA driver. It works OK except that if I switch to a > virtual terminal, logout of my X session, or the screen blanks > due to inactivity, the xserver hangs. what about 'xset -dpms' or 'xset dpms off'? Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 5 13:38:10 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <000901c254fd$d8d211a0$6401a8c0@HPZT> References: <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain> <000901c254fd$d8d211a0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020905131530.B24385@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:00:38PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > You probably will get better lifetime and better cost from good throw-away > batteries like Duracells. Rechargeable would be a real nuisance for me on a > vacation trip. Huh? Have you tried rechargeable batteries lately? Sure you probably get lifetime out quality disposable batteries than lower end rechargeables, but metal-based rechargeables last _longer_ in digital cameras and the like [1]. As for price, even alkaline rechargeables end up being a win in the long run. I get lifetimes only a little worse than high quality disposable batteries (and better than cheap disposables) from rechargeable alkalines, I get at least 20 charges out of them, and the price is only twice that of high quality disposable batteries. 1. http://www.greenbatteries.com/documents/battery_myths.htm -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 5 13:57:36 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen blanking In-Reply-To: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020905183054.GA28874@iucha.net> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:46:26PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > > I've got an annoying problem with my new box at work. Its a > Compaq Evo with a new integrated video card on an Intel 845g > chipset. The chipset isn't supported natively by XFree, so I am > using the VESA driver. It works OK except that if I switch to a > virtual terminal, logout of my X session, or the screen blanks > due to inactivity, the xserver hangs. After it hangs, all I can > get at vt7 is a blank screen. If I try to restart, it hangs > immediately. So to get X to come back, I am forced to reboot. > > I submitted a bug on this and its been forwarded upstream, and I > can deal with not changing virtual terminals or logging out of X. > My problem is that I haven't been able to stop the automatic > screen blanking. I thought that there should be an option > somewhere in the BIOS, but the only option I see are for the > stopping the hard drive and putting the whole computer in sleep > mode. I tried setting the time limit on both of those to > infinite, but that didn't help. So my question is, is there > anywhere that this kind of stuff is taken care of in software? I > looked around for a relevant X or apmd option, but I haven't had > any luck. Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config under the Monitor section. There is a line Option "DPMS" try commenting it out or adding a "0"/"Off" on that line. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020905/4bd56a5b/attachment.pgp From drew at usfamily.net Thu Sep 5 14:04:10 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras References: <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain> <000901c254fd$d8d211a0$6401a8c0@HPZT> <20020905131530.B24385@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00d501c2550c$e00297b0$d320140a@qlogic.org> From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 5 14:08:33 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> Message-ID: <2192.65.116.187.194.1031251757.squirrel@www.northlans.com> All I really need to do is append a remote file, and this works great. One more thing, is there a was to pass a password or use a password file so that I don't get prompted for a password after I execute the command? > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:04:32AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >> If you just need to append data remotely, you can use an ssh pipe and >> perl: >> >> echo text | ssh remotemachine "perl -we 'print ' >> remotefile" > > Why add perl to the mix? The shell can do this just as well. > > echo "This is a test" | ssh logger@remotemachine 'cat >> remotefile' > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Thu Sep 5 14:25:24 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020905131530.B24385@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: There's a really good battery shootout here: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM It popped up on http://www.arstechnica.com a while back. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:00:38PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > You probably will get better lifetime and better cost from good throw-away > > batteries like Duracells. Rechargeable would be a real nuisance for me on a > > vacation trip. > > Huh? Have you tried rechargeable batteries lately? Sure you > probably get lifetime out quality disposable batteries than > lower end rechargeables, but metal-based rechargeables last > _longer_ in digital cameras and the like [1]. > > As for price, even alkaline rechargeables end up being a win > in the long run. I get lifetimes only a little worse than high > quality disposable batteries (and better than cheap disposables) > from rechargeable alkalines, I get at least 20 charges out of > them, and the price is only twice that of high quality disposable > batteries. > > 1. http://www.greenbatteries.com/documents/battery_myths.htm > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 5 14:25:47 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2192.65.116.187.194.1031251757.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> <2192.65.116.187.194.1031251757.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020905191338.GC25494@fandre.com> Use ssh pub key authentication. You can either use a key without a password, which will get you right in, or else you can use ssh-agent, which will remember your password. http://www.cs.umd.edu/~arun/misc/ssh.html You also might want to check out keychain: http://www.gentoo.org/projects/keychain.html On Thu, 05 Sep 2002, Jim Streit wrote: > All I really need to do is append a remote file, and this works great. > One more thing, is there a was to pass a password or use a password file > so that I don't get prompted for a password after I execute the command? > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:04:32AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > >> If you just need to append data remotely, you can use an ssh pipe and > >> perl: > >> > >> echo text | ssh remotemachine "perl -we 'print ' >> remotefile" > > > > Why add perl to the mix? The shell can do this just as well. > > > > echo "This is a test" | ssh logger@remotemachine 'cat >> remotefile' > > > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Sep 5 14:44:27 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2192.65.116.187.194.1031251757.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1578.192.168.71.100.1031195261.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <20020905040229.GA3391@isis.visi.com> <20020905160432.GE21469@fandre.com> <20020905165704.GA6379@refried.org> <2192.65.116.187.194.1031251757.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020905192432.GB6379@refried.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 01:49:17PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > All I really need to do is append a remote file, and this works great. > One more thing, is there a was to pass a password or use a password file > so that I don't get prompted for a password after I execute the command? Check the ssh man page for public key authenication methods and .shosts. Nate From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 5 15:16:04 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen blanking In-Reply-To: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020905194119.GA7260@isis.visi.com> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:46:26PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > > I've got an annoying problem with my new box at work. Its a > Compaq Evo with a new integrated video card on an Intel 845g > chipset. The chipset isn't supported natively by XFree, so I am > using the VESA driver. It works OK except that if I switch to a > virtual terminal, logout of my X session, or the screen blanks > due to inactivity, the xserver hangs. After it hangs, all I can > get at vt7 is a blank screen. If I try to restart, it hangs > immediately. So to get X to come back, I am forced to reboot. You know, I'm getting almost this exact behavior with the Number Nine Revolution IV video card I got to drive my SGI 1600SW display. I can restart X (by logging out and getting back to the kdm screen), but switching to a virtual terminal and trying to reboot cause my system to hang. I'm using the i128 driver. I'm stumped. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 5 16:27:32 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen blanking In-Reply-To: <20020905183054.GA28874@iucha.net> References: <20020905124626.A24385@baker.space.umn.edu> <20020905183054.GA28874@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020905153810.A8338@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 01:30:54PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config under the Monitor section. There is > a line > Option "DPMS" > try commenting it out or adding a "0"/"Off" on that line. Thanks to Carl and Florin. Turning off DPMS did the trick. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From webmaster at aardvarko.com Thu Sep 5 16:50:17 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (Chris Combs) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Obfuscation Message-ID: As seen on the Awful Forums: (http://forums.somethingawful.com) "Whereas Microsoft is rightly condemned for their stance on security through obfuscation, Unix is job security through obfuscation." From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Sep 5 16:54:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain>; from kbongers@infinetivity.com on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:28:23AM -0500 References: <1031145249.23757.557.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020905092823.A1467@me.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020905162635.V2073@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:28:23AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > I just picked up at OfficeMax an Argus DC3200 for $60-$10mailin rebate. > 1.3 MegaPixel(1024x768), also has flash, timer, CF slot,USB,Tv-out. > Was unsucessful at getting SCSI-emulation/USB working, but I think > a cheap card-reader will do the trick. Now to try and find a cheap > card reader that works with Linux :) > I bought a $10 CF->PCMCIA adapter at microcenter that came right up under linux. the [newer] sandisk readers are also supported in linux since sandisk is nice enough to release specs. [snip] > Noticed some good deals on wireless-adapters at OfficeMax too. > D-link DWL-650 PCMCIA adapter($40), and DWL-520 PCI-card($50?). > Haven't started with the wireless thing yet, but I'm tempted. > Yup. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From davisn at mailandnews.com Thu Sep 5 22:45:52 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status Message-ID: <3D781D5B.B3DBF77F@mailandnews.com> Hi, Does anyone have experience with ACPI on a Compaq Presario 1700 laptop? I've compiled ACPI support into the kernel, but I can't get battery status. I can get thermal status, events, etc -- just seems to be missing battery. I'm using Redhat 7.3 and tried both kernel-2.4.18-3 (shipped with it) and kernel-2.4.18-10 (latest erratta version). Should I try a newer kernel version? On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included in later 2.5 kernels? Eventually, I'd like to have linux "hibernate" when I hit the power button. I tried 2.5.33, but couldn't get it to compile. --Nathan Davis From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 5 23:10:23 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux Message-ID: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) software does? Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? I've read 5 articles saying this is where companys are going to send their money and I don't even know what it is. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 23:55:04 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c25560$573afc20$6401a8c0@HPZT> This is a good article, but its technical scope is quite shallow and maybe naive because of that. The author seems honest and competent, but he doesn't say quite enough about the limitations of his observations. I think most of his conclusions are suspect even for the digital cameras he used as load models. Read carefully: he says that battery performance, and his tests, are highly dependent upon the discharge profile and whether its details are mostly high current or low trickle, etc. It appears that he is testing only fresh batteries, and not including mid life or near end life batteries as well. He is not testing shelf storage charge decay, and he is not testing the voltage fall-off curves at any point in battery life, let alone mid life and latter life. The results that new, premium rechargeables have some advantages over throw-aways may be valid for the case of very new batteries taken directly from a charger and put to use. I doubt that the results would be so pretty for mid-life charged spare batteries kept in reserve and carried in luggage at 80-90F during vacation travel. Discharge curves also change somewhat with battery age. The alkalines and the rechargeables have a fairly flat discharge with sharp drop off near end-of-a-charge. The cheaper one-shot LeClanche type cells have an almost straight line voltage drop-off curve over discharge which is a headache for voltage regulation in electronics and for "things with motor-like" loads like portable cassette players or recorders. Although the voltage may drop below the operating point of your favorite toy, the ampere-hour rating may not tell this: your toy may require the voltage per cell to remain above say 1.18 volts for it to operate. A LeClanche cell is likely to fall below such a mark within the first 25% of its actual ampere-hour rating. This is why the alkaline batteries have become so popular even for flashlights. My requirements for batteries for either personal or for professional design usage go much beyond what this author has considered. FYI, I chose a Palm IIIxe when color and rechargeables were available in newer models: I get full compatibility in B&W, and almost 2 weeks battery life on regular Duracells. The rechargeable B&W Palm compatibles show only about 6 hours of operation between recharges, and that's barely enough for a flight to CA with a layover. Rechargeables in a PDA can't be instantly replaced anywhere or bought in any airport. Color models are worse. Pocket PC models are really terrible. A B&W Palm is a very low power demand on standby and much lower than color models when operating. My digital camera is pretty greedy of power, but I like the feature of knowing that a fresh set of throw-aways will assure an operating period while rechargeables may be "tired" due to heat or shelf storage and thus may quit prematurely. I know the rechargeables cost more than throw-away Duracells, but I do not know that rechargeables can be as good or better for either 1) typical realistic life of a spare set, or 2) realistic lifetime cost that includes aging and storage effects. I remain skeptical, but YMMV. Spare throw-aways assure that precious camera shot the author speaks about, but spare rechargeables may not. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vieths > > > There's a really good battery shootout here: > > http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM > > It popped up on http://www.arstechnica.com a while back. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Visi.com > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:00:38PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > You probably will get better lifetime and better cost > from good throw-away > > > batteries like Duracells. Rechargeable would be a real > nuisance for me on a > > > vacation trip. > > > > Huh? Have you tried rechargeable batteries lately? Sure you > > probably get lifetime out quality disposable batteries than > > lower end rechargeables, but metal-based rechargeables last > > _longer_ in digital cameras and the like [1]. > --- Chuck Cole Buying the right computer and getting it to work properly is no more complicated than building a nuclear reactor from wristwatch parts in a darkened room using only your teeth. - Dave Barry TCLUG Note: OuchLook to be replaced when Linmodem problems solved. Have HP driver and info from France, need to patch for 7.3 TCWUG Note: Then comes setup of the built-in Lan Express 802.11b From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Sep 6 00:15:59 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux In-Reply-To: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001401c25562$94aa2610$6401a8c0@HPZT> 9 chances in 10 these are Mickeysoft applications much like a spreadsheet template with a little Baysean decision making trim to smooth the results. Doing something in Linux should be easy, but probably fits that "oh yeah, we do that too" category. Harris Corp used some elegant general-purpose decision making tools that were unix-based and had macro features to easily develop application-specific scenarios for the brain-dead in admin departments. This is not likely to be very useful for "intelligent" corporations, but it may serve as a good sanity check even for them. I'll be curious to see what some product descriptions have to say about ERP planning SW.. going to look. Where are your articles? Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) > software does? > > Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? > > I've read 5 articles saying this is where companys are going > to send their > money and I don't even know what it is. :-) > From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Sep 6 00:17:21 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux In-Reply-To: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:05:39PM -0500 References: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020906020921.A3523@joelschneider.net> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:05:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) software does? > > Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? I think ERP can have different meanings to different people. Not sure if this helps, but: http://www.cio.com/research/erp/ http://www.sap.com/ Some large companies may choose to purchase and implement a packaged ERP software system instead of developing and maintaining their own custom software. Looks like SAP now also markets its services to "Small to Midsize Businesses". -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 6 07:53:08 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux In-Reply-To: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> References: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020906122211.GB5393@fandre.com> I like this definition: "It attempts to integrate all departments and functions across a company onto a single computer system that can serve all those different departments' particular needs. " SAP is an example. Oracle's peoplesoft is another. Basically something that can do everything and tie it all together. (inventory, sales, billing, website, etc.) On Thu, 05 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) software does? > > Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? > > I've read 5 articles saying this is where companys are going to send their > money and I don't even know what it is. :-) > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Sep 6 10:21:34 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux Message-ID: <5037121a0504d207d2@[172.29.97.10]> > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:06 PM > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) > software does? It is comprehensive software that runs all of a companies operations from A/R to Manufacturing to Distribution and anything and everything in between. > Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? There are at least a couple projects on sourceforge that someone pointed out to me when I said, I didn't think this would be the type of software that would pop up in open source, but alas, I don't remember the names of the projects. > I've read 5 articles saying this is where companys are going > to send their > money and I don't even know what it is. :-) Lots of players already - SAP, Oracle, Bonn(sp), Agilysis, etc. The place to make money is as business analysts. So if you're an accountant/business type with some computer skills you can make a buck. These are the type of software installations/implementations that take companies years. A lot of the consultants come from the big accounting firms, AA, PWC, KPMG, etc. The articles are correct, a lot of money is being spent here, a company cannot put in one of these (as they exist today) without looking somewhere in 7 to 8 figures land. IPC 2002 From alcyone at slava.net Fri Sep 6 10:33:57 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status In-Reply-To: <3D781D5B.B3DBF77F@mailandnews.com> References: <3D781D5B.B3DBF77F@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <20020906141403.GA2254@sadalbari> What a fine Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 10:13:31PM -0500 it was when Nathan Davis said: > Does anyone have experience with ACPI on a Compaq Presario 1700 laptop? Don't know anything about this. I have a Dell laptop and "apm" works. > On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included > in later 2.5 kernels? My laptop hibernates when I put the top down, and I'm using 2.4.9-31. How is this different? Guess I don't know anything about this either... Lorry From chuck at redroot.org Fri Sep 6 10:58:04 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status In-Reply-To: <20020906141403.GA2254@sadalbari> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Lorry wrote: > > On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included > > in later 2.5 kernels? > > My laptop hibernates when I put the top down, and I'm using 2.4.9-31. > How is this different? Guess I don't know anything about this either... Is this something like a "suspend to disk" so you can shut down the machine completely, and then bring it back to the exact point you were at when you power up the laptop again? -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 6 11:08:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status In-Reply-To: <20020906141403.GA2254@sadalbari> References: <3D781D5B.B3DBF77F@mailandnews.com> <20020906141403.GA2254@sadalbari> Message-ID: <20020906155120.GB1125@sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 09:14:03AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >What a fine Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 10:13:31PM -0500 it was when Nathan Davis said: >> Does anyone have experience with ACPI on a Compaq Presario 1700 laptop? In my experience linux ACPI support sucks. Use apm if possible. >Don't know anything about this. I have a Dell laptop and "apm" works. > >> On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included >> in later 2.5 kernels? >My laptop hibernates when I put the top down, and I'm using 2.4.9-31. How >is this different? Guess I don't know anything about this either... > >Lorry >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure if > this helps, but: > > http://www.cio.com/research/erp/ > http://www.sap.com/ > > Some large companies may choose to purchase and implement a packaged ERP > software system instead of developing and maintaining their own custom > software. Looks like SAP now also markets its services to "Small to > Midsize Businesses". > > -- > Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com > joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Fri Sep 6 11:53:44 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <001201c25560$573afc20$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: > The results that new, premium rechargeables have some advantages over > throw-aways may be valid for the case of very new batteries taken directly > from a charger and put to use. I doubt that the results would be so pretty > for mid-life charged spare batteries kept in reserve and carried in luggage > at 80-90F during vacation travel. I was viewing the article as more 'which rechargables are preferable' than 'are rechargables better than alkalines'. Personally, I have 3 sets of rechargables in my camera bag, and I pack a portable wall-wart style charger that can fit 4 AAs. I've yet to burn through all three sets before I have a chance to toss one set into the charger. I've found the rechargables to be more affordable overall than when I was burning through alkalines, and I generate less waste as a result. It's possible they lose a bit of charge when stored, but I've used a battery tester on them before putting them in the camera, and I've seen no obvious degredation even after months of disuse without charging. (Of course, it's moot right now for me, until I manage to reassemble my camera after it took a fateful dive off of my desk.) -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com From davisn at mailandnews.com Fri Sep 6 13:33:50 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status References: <3D781D5B.B3DBF77F@mailandnews.com> <20020906141403.GA2254@sadalbari> <20020906155120.GB1125@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3D78EA32.DDF14BB0@mailandnews.com> Unfortunately, APM is not possible on this model. Oh well, I thought someone on this list might have some ideas, but apparently noone has much experience in this area. I'll try to find a list related to ACPI or something... Thanks anyway, --Nathan Davis Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 09:14:03AM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >What a fine Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 10:13:31PM -0500 it was when Nathan Davis said: > >> Does anyone have experience with ACPI on a Compaq Presario 1700 laptop? > > In my experience linux ACPI support sucks. Use apm if possible. > > >Don't know anything about this. I have a Dell laptop and "apm" works. > > > >> On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included > >> in later 2.5 kernels? > >My laptop hibernates when I put the top down, and I'm using 2.4.9-31. How > >is this different? Guess I don't know anything about this either... > > > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you > hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From davisn at mailandnews.com Fri Sep 6 13:43:06 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ACPI and Battery Status References: Message-ID: <3D78E94D.FD87D443@mailandnews.com> Chuck Milam wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Lorry wrote: > > > > On a related note, has any tried the "Software Suspend" feature included > > > in later 2.5 kernels? > > > > My laptop hibernates when I put the top down, and I'm using 2.4.9-31. > > How is this different? Guess I don't know anything about this either... > > Is this something like a "suspend to disk" so you can shut down the > machine completely, and then bring it back to the exact point you were at > when you power up the laptop again? > Yes, except this is accomplished by the kernel software, instead of by the APM (or ACPI, except linux doesn't support this feature for ACPI yet) bios. At least, that is my understanding of it. --Nathan Davis From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Sep 6 13:44:29 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux In-Reply-To: <001401c25562$94aa2610$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <007401c255d2$8b76d870$6401a8c0@HPZT> I should have kept my trap shut. Most of the references I've seen look like global scope fuzzy decision making tools without the decision part. Looks like these may serve best for IT marketing types to gather clues from customers and then give customers mumbo-jumbo as they let their techies define the tasks, dependencies, data flows, control flows, ..., schedules, etc. The descriptions I saw from posted references don't imply any technical enlightenment for the software buyers but do imply more software provider business. I'd be interested in ERP fuzzy decision thingies (ie, real system engineering tools), but not the ERPie gui BS thingies :-) Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole > > 9 chances in 10 these are Mickeysoft applications much like a > spreadsheet > template with a little Baysean decision making trim to smooth > the results. > Doing something in Linux should be easy, but probably fits > that "oh yeah, we > do that too" category. > > Harris Corp used some elegant general-purpose decision making > tools that > were unix-based and had macro features to easily develop > application-specific scenarios for the brain-dead in admin > departments. > This is not likely to be very useful for "intelligent" > corporations, but it > may serve as a good sanity check even for them. > > I'll be curious to see what some product descriptions have to > say about ERP > planning SW.. going to look. Where are your articles? > > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > > > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) > > software does? > > > From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 6 15:21:56 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location Message-ID: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> Taking a look at courier-imap for the first time and I can't find where you specify the location of the folder namespace root (INBOX). I'd like courier-imap to look in $HOME/Mail, for instance, for imap folders. I'm currently using uw-imap, which by default looks in $HOME, and that does not seem to be configurable except by modifying the source and recompiling (ick). I looked in /usr/lib/courier-imap/etc/imapd as well as the other config files there, but couldn't find anything applicable. I've scanned all the docs I could find too. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020906/35dc485e/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 6 15:47:21 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location In-Reply-To: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> References: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020906203356.GC2714@sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:08:33PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >Taking a look at courier-imap for the first time and I can't find where >you specify the location of the folder namespace root (INBOX). I'd like >courier-imap to look in $HOME/Mail, for instance, for imap folders. I'm >currently using uw-imap, which by default looks in $HOME, and that does >not seem to be configurable except by modifying the source and >recompiling (ick). Courier uses $HOME/.Maildir by default (this was fine by me so I didn't change it), then just configed exim to deliver mail there. *shrug* > >I looked in /usr/lib/courier-imap/etc/imapd as well as the other config >files there, but couldn't find anything applicable. I've scanned all >the docs I could find too. > >Thanks. > >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. --Ben From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 6 16:36:42 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location In-Reply-To: <20020906203356.GC2714@sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:33:56PM -0500 References: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> <20020906203356.GC2714@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020906162954.Z4237@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:33:56PM -0500, Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com) wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:08:33PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > >Taking a look at courier-imap for the first time and I can't find where > >you specify the location of the folder namespace root (INBOX). I'd like > >courier-imap to look in $HOME/Mail, for instance, for imap folders. I'm > >currently using uw-imap, which by default looks in $HOME, and that does > >not seem to be configurable except by modifying the source and > >recompiling (ick). > > Courier uses $HOME/.Maildir by default (this was fine by me so I didn't > change it), then just configed exim to deliver mail there. > > *shrug* Any idea where that is configured though? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > I've heard that there's a better utility for updating RPMs under Red Hat, > that automatically downloads all necessary files... is something like that > available for Mandrake as well? Thanks in advance. --Ben it is called apt4rpm and it was ported by connectiva(yet another rpm distro) i would think that it would work for Mandrake but you would need to find a mandrake mirror that has been aptified, google for some iirc mandrake comes with a similar utility called urpmi though i have never used it Munir Nassar From alcyone at slava.net Fri Sep 6 18:08:14 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] easy RPM utility? In-Reply-To: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> apt4rpm is available for all rpm-based distros, Mandrake included. I just double checked to make sure there is at least one Mandrake repository, and there is. Search for "apt4rpm Mandrake" or similar on google and you should find helpful stuff for you to do this. I'm running Red Hat myself, so I don't have Mandrake-specific information, but getting it up and running on my system was painless and easy, and well worth it. Lorry What a fine Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 04:27:11PM -0500 it was when Ben Stallings said: > I've heard that there's a better utility for updating RPMs under Red Hat, > that automatically downloads all necessary files... is something like that > available for Mandrake as well? Thanks in advance. --Ben From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 6 18:08:29 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <001201c25560$573afc20$6401a8c0@HPZT>; from cncole@earthlink.net on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:45:20PM -0500 References: <001201c25560$573afc20$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020906172608.X2073@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:45:20PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > [snip] I don't think anyone was claiming that rechargable are best for everything. > My requirements for batteries for either personal or for professional design > usage go much beyond what this author has considered. FYI, I chose a Palm > IIIxe when color and rechargeables were available in newer models: I get > full compatibility in B&W, and almost 2 weeks battery life on regular > Duracells. The rechargeable B&W Palm compatibles show only about 6 hours of > operation between recharges, and that's barely enough for a flight to CA > with a layover. Rechargeables in a PDA can't be instantly replaced anywhere > or bought in any airport. Color models are worse. Pocket PC models are > really terrible. A B&W Palm is a very low power demand on standby and much > lower than color models when operating. This is why I have a handspring with a built in lithium ion battery, it runs for *months* before I finally use up the battery and sit it back on the cradle to recharge (which takes all of 30 minutes when it's discharged to about 10%) I don't use it for extended periods of time, but the run-time on the unit even when it is left on continiously will last about 6-7 hours, it's a snap to recharge on-the-go by plugging it into a cigarette lighter or wall outlet for 10-20 minutes. > My digital camera is pretty greedy > of power, but I like the feature of knowing that a fresh set of throw-aways > will assure an operating period while rechargeables may be "tired" due to > heat or shelf storage and thus may quit prematurely. I know the > rechargeables cost more than throw-away Duracells, but I do not know that > rechargeables can be as good or better for either 1) typical realistic life > of a spare set, or 2) realistic lifetime cost that includes aging and > storage effects. I remain skeptical, but YMMV. Spare throw-aways assure > that precious camera shot the author speaks about, but spare rechargeables > may not. If you really can't get to a cigarette lighter plug, or a wall outlet, then sure. go ahead and pick up some disposables, otherwise you're better off with the good rechargables. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 6 23:59:00 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location References: Message-ID: <004301c25600$cd0b6520$0101a8c0@cascade> Yes, but many distributions choose to change it to .Maildir or .maildir. I prefer it to be hidden to avoid accidents with Samba :) Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > Courier uses $HOME/.Maildir by default (this was fine by me so I didn't > > change it), then just configed exim to deliver mail there. > > where did that . come from? isn't it $HOME/Maildir? > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Sep 7 00:12:59 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20020906172608.X2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <009b01c25602$bda69710$6401a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy > If you really can't get to a cigarette lighter plug, or a > wall outlet, then > sure. go ahead and pick up some disposables, otherwise you're > better off > with the good rechargables. > Air travel logistics are the main case that drive me toward throw-aways. For me, the extra baggage and time for chargers is a nuisance also. Perhaps the latest generation of Li ion rechargeables are enough of an improvement to merit reconsideration. I can do automobile recharge when on vacation outings or photo safaris in the boondocks. I have "airline adapters" but I've never been on a plane that had the power outlets. Northworst once told me that only some planes have the outlets, it's by sheer coincidence, reservations never knows, and they have no plan to equip more. I got even less help from another airline. Is your experience different? Chuck From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 7 00:30:49 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location In-Reply-To: <20020906162954.Z4237@real-time.com> References: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> <20020906203356.GC2714@sistina.com> <20020906162954.Z4237@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020907013532.GA642@iucha.net> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 04:29:55PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:33:56PM -0500, Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com) wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:08:33PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > > >Taking a look at courier-imap for the first time and I can't find where > > >you specify the location of the folder namespace root (INBOX). I'd like > > >courier-imap to look in $HOME/Mail, for instance, for imap folders. I'm > > >currently using uw-imap, which by default looks in $HOME, and that does > > >not seem to be configurable except by modifying the source and > > >recompiling (ick). > > > > Courier uses $HOME/.Maildir by default (this was fine by me so I didn't > > change it), then just configed exim to deliver mail there. > > > > *shrug* > > Any idea where that is configured though? On debian it is in /etc/init.d/imapd. It is a parameter on the binary's command line. It is pretty safe to edit it there, dpkg will ask before overwriting it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Munir Nassar From jack at jacku.com Sat Sep 7 00:47:42 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: enterprise resource planning (ERP) software + linux In-Reply-To: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> References: <20020905230539.F5285@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200209062313.50386.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 05 September 2002 23:05, Bob Tanner wrote: > Can someone tell me what enterprise resource planning (ERP) software does? > > Are there any specific instances of this software for Linux? > > I've read 5 articles saying this is where companys are going to send their > money and I don't even know what it is. :-) Other replies have touched on this but here's my take after 8+ months of helping to small mfg companies implement a specific ERP package (I won't name it because I don't want to be accused of promoting it!) ERP is a not so new name for Integrated Business Software. Many years ago I worked for a company that was implementing a product called Cullinet. It was an ERP system but the term didn't exist. SAP and its R3 product is probably the genesis of the term and the software "set". Ryan hit the nail on the head with his reply, most of these packages claim to improve the operation of the corporation by integrating functions sometimes allowed to run "independently." My interaction with the software eluded to above is in getting data out of the database and presenting it in a manner people can use. This includes basic report writing (using Crystal Reports) and some more "inventive" techniques. ;-) (Many of those involve Zope.) As far as an Open Source ERP project search WyattERP. Its the one specific ERP project that I know. The Compiere project mentioned earlier was originally more of a CRM (Customer Relationshop Management) application. CRM apps tend to be used in pure service businesses and in Call Centers of larger organizations. As far as the article goes its a little late. ERP been a "big thing" for at least 7-8 years. Before the down turn CRM was where everybody was going to put their money. (All those .coms that where service companies...) At one point it was estimated that from 1 to 3 Billion (yes with a b) dollars per year would be spent on CRM systems in the coming years. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 7 00:49:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location In-Reply-To: <20020906162954.Z4237@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 04:29:55PM -0500 References: <20020906150832.V4237@real-time.com> <20020906203356.GC2714@sistina.com> <20020906162954.Z4237@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020906232048.A21728@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > Any idea where that is configured though? imapd.rc, I believe this is what you are looking for: less /usr/lib/courier-imap/libexec/imapd.rc -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From veldy at veldy.net Sat Sep 7 00:55:45 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location References: Message-ID: <004b01c25632$ed9f5170$0101a8c0@cascade> It is a command line option to imapd. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Yes, but many distributions choose to change it to .Maildir or .maildir. I > > prefer it to be hidden to avoid accidents with Samba :) > > so back to amy's question, if you prefer it hidden; how do you change it? > > Munir Nassar > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seehow at bitstream.net Sat Sep 7 12:10:19 2002 From: seehow at bitstream.net (Christopher Howard) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I allow a regular user to write to a vfat partition? Message-ID: <20020907072048.A1303@frodo> How do I set up so a user can write to /win98/doc, a vfat partition containing the "Documents" folders. The vfat partition wont take new ownership or permissions. Is there any way to work around this so regular users can write to those partitions? From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Sep 7 13:36:25 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I allow a regular user to write to a vfat partition? In-Reply-To: <20020907072048.A1303@frodo> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Christopher Howard wrote: > How do I set up so a user can write to /win98/doc, a vfat partition > containing the "Documents" folders. The vfat partition wont take > new ownership or permissions. Is there any way to work around this > so regular users can write to those partitions? vfat partitons ( as you may have noticed) retain the owner:group of the user that mounted the partition. you can allow a non-root user to mount a vfat partition with a fstab entry like mine below - /dev/hda5 /dosd vfat defaults,user 0 0 if your looking for only certain users to be allowed to use the partition, you *might* be able to do this by creating a user with a new group called "vfat" ( or whatever) and then using that user to mount the directory with permissions allowing group writable (0775) then add the specific users to the group "vfat" and it *should* work. -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 7 17:22:11 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I allow a regular user to write to a vfat partition? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031433786.1309.24.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 13:04, ccox@linuxsnob.com wrote: > you can allow a non-root user to mount a vfat partition with a fstab entry > like mine below - > > /dev/hda5 /dosd vfat defaults,user 0 0 > > if your looking for only certain users to be allowed to use the partition, > you *might* be able to do this by creating a user with a new group called > "vfat" ( or whatever) and then using that user to mount the directory with > permissions allowing group writable (0775) then add the specific users to > the group "vfat" and it *should* work. Well, if you're going to do a group, why not just always mount the partition with group write permissions? /dev/hda5 /dosd vfat defaults,umask=002,gid=vfat 0 0 (or something like that..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "I'm going to KILL you." -- / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Stewie, Family Guy \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Squid box is currently running Debian 3.0 w/ Squid version: [squid.conf] heirarchy_stoplist cgi-bin ? msoe.edu 155.92 bank cfm php phtml shtml\ asp pl jsp acl NOCACHEQUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? msoe.edu 155.92 bank cfm php\ shtml asp jsp pl phtml no_cache deny NOCACHEQUERY acl mibank dstdomain .mibank.com no_cache deny mibank [iptables relevant rules] iptables -t NAT -A PREROUTING -i eth2 -s ! $SOURCE -p tcp --dport 80 -j\ DNAT --to ${PROXY}:80 $SOURCE is defined as our dmz, and squid is running on port 80. $PROXY is defined as the IP of our proxy. Right now, the conenctions to our various nocache hosts, are being rejected, and it is defiently squid, as without squid rules in the firewall, the sites work fine. Any Ideas or Suggestions? -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 7 21:24:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STSN equipment up close Message-ID: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com> As promised, I said I would take pictures of the STSN CPE gear in the hotel I stayed at in Chicago. This little device rocks. As the pictures show, you can get 10M Ethernet, 1.0 USB connection or POTS all in 1 device. What was really cool was the fact that the phone and the STSN device shared the same bisquit jack on the wall. Meaning, that whatever the STSN gear uses it can co-exist on the same piece of copper as POTS (ala DSL). Anyone know more about this little gem? I'd really like to know what the "back side" of this thing is talking. AND what it terminate too. http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/stsn/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From natecars at real-time.com Sun Sep 8 00:01:04 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STSN equipment up close In-Reply-To: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > What was really cool was the fact that the phone and the STSN device > shared the same bisquit jack on the wall. Meaning, that whatever the > STSN gear uses it can co-exist on the same piece of copper as POTS (ala > DSL). Not exactly OT, but a couple of hotels I've stayed at actually do ISDN (or something similar, not exactly sure) to each room, then use a digital phone and give you a POTS jack in the side of it. So ,not exactly POTS, but I'm not sure what it is.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 8 01:45:54 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator's pictures finally online Message-ID: <20020908010653.M15084@real-time.com> As promised, here are gladiator's pictures, as Nate, Carl, and I built the new ftp.mn-linux.org box. http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/gallery/gladiator -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Sep 8 02:12:07 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STSN equipment up close In-Reply-To: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:21:33PM -0500 References: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020908015029.A9513@okane.localnet> I stay at a Courtyard Marriot whenever I'm in Chicago area for work. Mainly because of the broadband access they provide via these STSN boxes. I've only ever used the ethernet connection on the box. You just plug in and get and address via dhcp. At one point they were only charging for web surfing (port 80 only). SSH, HTTPS and presumably other ports were open. They appear to have wised up since then though :( Worked great with Linux. The STSN website has a broadband hotel finder. Cool. http://www.stsn.com/index.html Bob Tanner wrote: > As promised, I said I would take pictures of the STSN CPE gear in the hotel I > stayed at in Chicago. -- -scot From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Sep 8 08:33:31 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM error during pvmove Message-ID: <20020908085811.A25474@mtu.net> I'm attempting to remove a drive from my lvm volume group to use elseware. However when I execute 'pvmove /dev/sdc1', I get the following error: ERROR reading input physical volume "/dev/sdc1" (still 4194304 bytes to read) ERROR "pv_move_pe(): read input PV" moving physical extents I'm using the LVM tools 1.0.3 with a SuSE 2.4.18-4GB kernel. I can move the extents off other volumes but not this one. I've tried looking for errors on the disk by executing 'dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=/dev/null' and watch for errors, but I don't get any. I don't seem to have any problems reading the data in the logical volumes that have data stored on this physical volume either. I even tried deactivating the volume group and it still fails. Anyone have any clues about how to fix this? Google hasn't turned up anything yet. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From ben at workscited.net Sun Sep 8 10:22:55 2002 From: ben at workscited.net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> Message-ID: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition read-write? How? --Ben From phil at rephil.org Sun Sep 8 11:26:59 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STSN equipment up close In-Reply-To: <200209080710.g887Aud29545@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200209080710.g887Aud29545@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020908161415.GA5705@rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org, circa Sun, 08-Sep-2002 at 02:10AM: > On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What was really cool was the fact that the phone and the STSN device > > shared the same bisquit jack on the wall. Meaning, that whatever the > > STSN gear uses it can co-exist on the same piece of copper as POTS (ala > > DSL). > > Not exactly OT, but a couple of hotels I've stayed at actually do ISDN (or > something similar, not exactly sure) to each room, then use a digital > phone and give you a POTS jack in the side of it. So ,not exactly POTS, > but I'm not sure what it is.. I stayed in Winnipeg at the Delta chain (I'd liken it to Hilton in Canada) about 3 weeks ago. They had high speed access in the rooms. There were wall plates with RJ-45's, and the desk lamp had a base with an AC outlet and RJ-11 connector. I had a glitch, so I couldn't get working -- pump got me an address, but then nothingness. I called the "tech support" line to make sure they were doing a DHCP server and suss things out. I did it fearfully, expecting a M$ droid. Got a human right away, they had _no_ problem with Linux [1] at all, and were conversant with it. The guy even pulled up an old similar trouble ticket, to see if that might provide a clue. It turned out to be a problem with how their routing gear was doing NAT -- in fact we didn't get it going before I left, but the customer service experience made it so that I still felt happy afterwards. (I really had better things to be doing than camping on-line on vacation.) [1] Their attitude, the only one a service industry like hotels really can arguably have, was "we are here to serve and accomodate the customer. If that means dealing with any computer that might walk in the door, then that's what we'll do." How refreshing! Phil -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From joelr at ellegon.com Sun Sep 8 13:50:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed In-Reply-To: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com> References: <20020907212133.I15084@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200209081158.04130.joelr@ellegon.com> I'm in the market for such a thing, and -- unsurprisingly -- can't easily find one new. (Felicia's machine appears to have trouble recognizing PCI NIC cards, and I'd rather spend a few bucks and just plug a card into the ISA slot than mess with trying to beat it into submission anymore.) If anybody's got a surplus-to-needs one hanging around, that'd be great; please email me. (Obviously, I'd prefer a 10/100 card -- it'd make data transfer a bit faster between machines on the home network -- but the main issue is to get the machine on the net, for which a 10 megabit card is obviously fine, as we're on a cable modem, not a T3.) -- Mr. Hale had his awakening when he was 12 years old and read both "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and "Mein Kampf." (So much for the benefits of early reading programs.) -- Nicholas Kristof ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From joelr at ellegon.com Sun Sep 8 13:59:10 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <200209081210.23819.joelr@ellegon.com> On Sunday 08 September 2002 09:21 am, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben The short answer is yes, but it was, at last report, very much recommended against. As I understand it, you've got to both specify rw when mounting (easy) and recompile the kernel (well beyond my abilities). From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 8 14:02:56 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <1031505156.6037.7.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 09:21, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben First, you can try forcing the partition to be mounted read-write. I think that NTFS partitions are probably mounted read-only by default, even if your system supports read-write. Just do mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hdXY /windows If that doesn't work, you'll probably have to recompile the kernel. Last I checked, support for that was marked as DANGEROUS. Linux doesn't handle file ownership and things like that in the same way that Windows does, so I'm pretty sure that after Linux mounts a partition, a flag is set that will force Windows to do a filesystem check when it's booted. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can you buy an entire chess / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ set in a pawn shop? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020908/0d557ace/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Sun Sep 8 14:04:49 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <20020908171451.GB30037@fandre.com> Not yet. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/#3.3 On Sun, 08 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 8 14:09:43 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben when compiling the kernel you have to compile ntfs support nad ntfs-write-support under that, be cautioned ntfs write support is VERY beta and should not be used without A. a good backup B. the time to restore from backup Munir Nassar From seehow at bitstream.net Sun Sep 8 14:11:49 2002 From: seehow at bitstream.net (Christopher Howard) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? Message-ID: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? This erks me so much. The arrow keys on the key pad are redundant. Why does Linux turn the num lock off? From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sun Sep 8 14:23:52 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben Never tried it. having said that, I know that redhat distro's do not have that option enabled in the kernel, I'd guess none of the others do either, I also know that when you select that kernel option, it claims it's "DANGEROUS". You can recompile your kernel with the NTFS partition support as a module. that's how I'd do it. I'd guess that once you've got the kernel rebuilt & running, it's just like mounting any other filesystem, "mount /dev/whatever /mountpoint" additionaly, there is a utility that the kernel docs refer to, called ntfsfix, that they indicate should be executed after writing to and unmounting the partition. refer to http://linux-ntfs.sf.net as per the kernel docs for more info. hope this helps.. -chris -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Sep 8 14:32:57 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting NT partitions In-Reply-To: <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209061627.11372.ben@workscited.net> <20020906222012.GA2467@sadalbari> <200209080921.34371.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <1031510581.17433.3.camel@dedannshae> On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 09:21, Ben Stallings wrote: > A hopefully easy question: Is it possible to mount an NT partition > read-write? How? --Ben The Linux kernel has *experimental* support for read-write access to an NTFS 4 filesystem. This means Winnt, but NOT Win2k or later (which are NTFS 5). However, because this support is experimental, it is generally not compiled into the stock kernel of any distro -- you will need to enable experimental options, then enable read-write ntfs filesystem support, and compile your own kernel. Be warned: this is considered experimental for a good reason! The reverse-engineering of NTFS is not 100%, and sometimes things can get really hosed up when modifying files. Not only can you lose the file you were working on, but you can even lose other files to corruption as well. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020908/1c72492a/attachment.pgp From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sun Sep 8 17:28:12 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? In-Reply-To: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> References: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> Message-ID: <00c473501220892FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> It's generally (always?) a BIOS option. - Jared On Sunday 08 September 2002 12:24 pm, you wrote: > How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? This erks me so > much. The arrow keys on the key pad are redundant. Why does Linux turn > the num lock off? _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joelr at ellegon.com Sun Sep 8 18:31:19 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? In-Reply-To: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> References: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> Message-ID: <200209081746.46042.joelr@ellegon.com> On Sunday 08 September 2002 12:24 pm, Christopher Howard wrote: > How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? This erks me so > much. The arrow keys on the key pad are redundant. Why does Linux turn > the num lock off Mandrake, at least, has that as a default feature during the boot, and has an rpm to do just that (called, reasonably enough, numlock{bunchastuff}.rpm) -- you might think about seeing if it'll work under your distro. -- http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/29/international/middleeast/29SAUD.html A striking sign of the Saudis' eagerness to reach out to the United States has been a ... scramble ... to find a gesture of solidarity with the American people on the anniversary of the attacks. The royal family has considered presenting the racehorse that won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes this year as a gift to the victims' families, according to one adviser to the family. -- the New YorkTimes. Yes, the Saudis seek to assuage the anger of the victims families... ...by presenting them with a used horse. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From gmcdavid at attbi.com Sun Sep 8 18:39:32 2002 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed In-Reply-To: <200209081158.04130.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > If anybody's got a surplus-to-needs one hanging around, that'd be great; > please email me. I have one here. It is an NE2000 clone--10 MB. I got it at Computer Renaissance for $4.99, but never used it. I installed another one of these in one of my computers and have had no problems. Works find with Linux, BTW. > (Obviously, I'd prefer a 10/100 card -- it'd make data transfer a bit faster > between machines on the home network -- but the main issue is to get the > machine on the net, for which a 10 megabit card is obviously fine, as we're > on a cable modem, not a T3.) IIRC, there are very few ISA NICs that can do 100 MB. E-mail me if you are interested. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From joelr at ellegon.com Sun Sep 8 19:04:03 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200209081846.29954.joelr@ellegon.com> Many thanks, all; it looks like I've got a NIC card on the way. jr From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Sep 8 23:59:43 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? In-Reply-To: <20020908122437.A352@frodo>; from seehow@bitstream.net on Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 12:24:37PM -0500 References: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> Message-ID: <20020908221310.C573@okane.localnet> add this to your rc.local, generally under /etc/rc.d # Set numlock on for all VC's for tty in /dev/tty[1-9]*; do setleds -D +num < $tty > /dev/null done setleds is part of kbd package Christopher Howard wrote: > How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? This erks me so much. The arrow keys on the key pad are redundant. Why does Linux turn the num lock off? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From amy at real-time.com Mon Sep 9 08:50:32 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier-imap INBOX location In-Reply-To: <004b01c25632$ed9f5170$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 12:53:45AM -0500 References: <004b01c25632$ed9f5170$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20020909082714.C4237@real-time.com> On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 12:53:45AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > It is a command line option to imapd. Found it - thanks everyone. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take a look at man pages for: urpmi - install/update software urpmi.addmedia - add new source download locations urpmi.removemedia - remove source download locations If you want to do something similar to apt-get update that would be urpmi --auto-select Hope that helps! Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Sep 9 11:54:10 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? Message-ID: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through Windoze Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two and need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk with the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but I haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from linux, but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the net (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of you know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being lazy and burn the ISO? Thanks in advance for any help/redirections. Chris Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020909/bfa11d0b/attachment.htm From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Sep 9 12:24:47 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? In-Reply-To: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: On 9 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through Windoze > Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two and > need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk with > the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but I > haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from linux, > but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the net > (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of you > know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being lazy > and burn the ISO? when you compile your next kernel in the Filesystems section there should be an option for UDF filesystems, i am thinking that it should come enabled in default kernels, have you tried mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /blah? Munir Nassar From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Sep 9 12:40:03 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? In-Reply-To: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <200209091220.14362.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Monday 09 September 2002 11:09 am, Chris Frederick wrote: > Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through Windoze > Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two and > need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk with > the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but I > haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from linux, > but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the net > (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of you > know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being lazy > and burn the ISO? > > Thanks in advance for any help/redirections. > Chris Frederick Looks like it's in the 2.4 kernel: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Akernel.org+udf So if your running that just try mounting the cdrom as UDF file system... mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /your/mount/point/goes/here -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Sep 9 13:03:33 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? Message-ID: Sounds interesting. Any other sources of UDF on Linux documentation? Is there a 'mkudffs'? Just curious... >>> cgahlon@citilink.com 09/09/02 12:20PM >>> On Monday 09 September 2002 11:09 am, Chris Frederick wrote: > Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through Windoze > Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two and > need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk with > the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but I > haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from linux, > but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the net > (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of you > know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being lazy > and burn the ISO? > > Thanks in advance for any help/redirections. > Chris Frederick Looks like it's in the 2.4 kernel: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Akernel.org+udf So if your running that just try mounting the cdrom as UDF file system... mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /your/mount/point/goes/here -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 9 13:06:25 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? In-Reply-To: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1031587757.3472.11.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020909170953.GB7683@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:09:13AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through Windoze > Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two and > need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk with > the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but I > haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from linux, > but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the net > (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of you > know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being lazy > and burn the ISO? Do you have a 2.4 linux kernel or a fairly recent linux distro? Linux 2.4 has support for udf. When mounting the CD use the "-t udf". florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020909/80b7f8cf/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 9 13:59:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] udf readers for linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020909182954.GC7683@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 12:47:11PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Sounds interesting. Any other sources of UDF > on Linux documentation? Is there a 'mkudffs'? florin@bear:~$ dpkg -l udf\* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii udftools 1.0.0b2-2 Tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) dr florin@bear:~$ dpkg -L udftools /. /usr /usr/bin /usr/bin/mkudffs /usr/bin/cdrwtool /usr/bin/pktsetup /usr/share /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man1 /usr/share/man/man1/cdrwtool.1.gz /usr/share/man/man8 /usr/share/man/man8/mkudffs.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/pktsetup.8.gz /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/udftools /usr/share/doc/udftools/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/udftools/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/udftools/copyright /usr/share/doc/udftools/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/udftools/changelog.Debian.gz See http://lists2.suse.com/archive/packet-writing/ for more details. Patches available at http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/ Cheers, florin > > Just curious... > > >>> cgahlon@citilink.com 09/09/02 12:20PM >>> > On Monday 09 September 2002 11:09 am, Chris Frederick wrote: > > Adaptec Direct CD allows you to burn to a CD directly through > Windoze > > Explorer, this is nice for times when you need only a file or two > and > > need them quick. Adaptec puts an ISO formated section of the disk > with > > the installer to read the UDF formated data on other Win Boxes, but > I > > haven't found one for linux yet. I don't need to burn these from > linux, > > but it would be nice to read from them. I did a quick search of the > net > > (linux.org/apps and sourceforge) with out any results. Do any of > you > > know where I can find a reader for UDF CDs? Or should I stop being > lazy > > and burn the ISO? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help/redirections. > > Chris Frederick > > Looks like it's in the 2.4 kernel: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Akernel.org+udf > > > So if your running that just try mounting the cdrom as UDF file > system... > > mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /your/mount/point/goes/here > > -- > Chris > MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert > f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200209091350.52380.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Friday 06 September 2002 05:16 pm, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > > I've heard that there's a better utility for updating RPMs under Red Hat, > > that automatically downloads all necessary files... is something like > > that available for Mandrake as well? Thanks in advance. --Ben I've done some looking and I can't find a functional equivalent to dselect that works with apt-rpm. I've used Google and not come up with lots of neat stuff but none of it helpful. What I'm looking for is ANYTHING that will display the list of available packages in an apt-rpm repository and let me choose/install them. Kind of like dselect, only for aptified RPM repositories instead of deb's. Anyone have any leads? -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Mon Sep 9 14:26:30 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] easy RPM utility? In-Reply-To: <200209091350.52380.cgahlon@citilink.com> References: <200209091350.52380.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <1031598463.415.0.camel@edith> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 13:50, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > On Friday 06 September 2002 05:16 pm, Munir Nassar wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > > > I've heard that there's a better utility for updating RPMs under Red Hat, > > > that automatically downloads all necessary files... is something like > > > that available for Mandrake as well? Thanks in advance. --Ben > > I've done some looking and I can't find a functional equivalent to dselect > that works with apt-rpm. > > I've used Google and not come up with lots of neat stuff but none of it helpful. > > What I'm looking for is ANYTHING that will display the list of available > packages in an apt-rpm repository and let me choose/install them. > > Kind of like dselect, only for aptified RPM repositories instead of deb's. > > Anyone have any leads? > > -- > Chris > MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert Does gnome-apt work against aptified rpm repositories? Kelly Black KB0GBJ From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 9 17:07:47 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I get the num lock on as defalt after boot up? In-Reply-To: <00c473501220892FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com>; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 05:07:29PM -0500 References: <20020908122437.A352@frodo> <00c473501220892FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020909164844.C5661@sherohman.org> On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 05:07:29PM -0500, Jared wrote: > It's generally (always?) a BIOS option. For some reason (brain damage to Linus?), the Linux kernel overrides BIOS and turns off numlock at boot. If you want it on, you have to set it yourself, using setleds for console and numlockx for X. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 9 18:15:49 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the patching procedure on the linux kernel. Once a patch is submitted to LKML, does it get merged into the next release? For instance, do the patches for 2.4.19 that are posted now get merged into the 2.4.20 codebase? -Brian From mj at jentges.net Mon Sep 9 18:23:18 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed Message-ID: Got several here. I can fix you right up. Where are you located? -mj >>> Joel Rosenberg Sunday, September 08, 2002 >>> I'm in the market for such a thing, and -- unsurprisingly -- can't easily find one new. (Felicia's machine appears to have trouble recognizing PCI NIC cards, and I'd rather spend a few bucks and just plug a card into the ISA slot than mess with trying to beat it into submission anymore.) If anybody's got a surplus-to-needs one hanging around, that'd be great; please email me. (Obviously, I'd prefer a 10/100 card -- it'd make data transfer a bit faster between machines on the home network -- but the main issue is to get the machine on the net, for which a 10 megabit card is obviously fine, as we're on a cable modem, not a T3.) -- Mr. Hale had his awakening when he was 12 years old and read both "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and "Mein Kampf." (So much for the benefits of early reading programs.) -- Nicholas Kristof ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Mon Sep 9 18:23:39 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed Message-ID: Got several here. I can fix you right up. Where are you located? -mj >>> Joel Rosenberg Sunday, September 08, 2002 >>> I'm in the market for such a thing, and -- unsurprisingly -- can't easily find one new. (Felicia's machine appears to have trouble recognizing PCI NIC cards, and I'd rather spend a few bucks and just plug a card into the ISA slot than mess with trying to beat it into submission anymore.) If anybody's got a surplus-to-needs one hanging around, that'd be great; please email me. (Obviously, I'd prefer a 10/100 card -- it'd make data transfer a bit faster between machines on the home network -- but the main issue is to get the machine on the net, for which a 10 megabit card is obviously fine, as we're on a cable modem, not a T3.) -- Mr. Hale had his awakening when he was 12 years old and read both "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and "Mein Kampf." (So much for the benefits of early reading programs.) -- Nicholas Kristof ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Mon Sep 9 18:24:02 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] Message-ID: Well Mr. Jenkins! How the sam hell are ya? Gotta be hanging on I assme, I know I am in spite of the thin strings. Hows the rock star career coming along? Just got all new heads for my kit over labor day. Holy freakin cow! I figured it'd be better but whoa! BOOM! Drop me a line er give me a call sometime eh? Seems like it's been a while. -mj From dante at plethora.net Mon Sep 9 18:45:11 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Brian wrote: > I'm not familiar with the patching procedure on the linux kernel. Once a > patch is submitted to LKML, does it get merged into the next release? For > instance, do the patches for 2.4.19 that are posted now get merged into > the 2.4.20 codebase? > Patches are applied at the whim of the core developers and Linus. Dave Miller and Alan Cox are pretty good at tracking meritorious patches and helping keep them on target, but there is a definite barrier to getting patches into the kernel. In some ways this is a good thing. I've seen more different scheduler patches fall by the wayside because nobody understood them, including the original authors. In some ways it is not so good, as the number of interface changes in recent years has begun to outweigh functionality improvements. I think the model is due to fall apart in the next few years, I don't really know what the current state is as I got fed up and dropped out about 4 years ago. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Sep 9 19:33:05 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Daniel Taylor wrote: > Patches are applied at the whim of the core developers and Linus. > > Dave Miller and Alan Cox are pretty good at tracking meritorious > patches and helping keep them on target, but there is a definite > barrier to getting patches into the kernel. > > In some ways this is a good thing. I've seen more different scheduler > patches fall by the wayside because nobody understood them, including > the original authors. In some ways it is not so good, as the number of > interface changes in recent years has begun to outweigh functionality > improvements. > > I think the model is due to fall apart in the next few years, I don't > really know what the current state is as I got fed up and dropped out > about 4 years ago. > If this is the case, and to help to boost performace better, wouldn't it be easier/better to develop more towards today's processors/architecture than to keep "legacy" systems in as well? Just a thought... Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 9 22:00:50 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031620170.13060.16.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 19:04, Shawn wrote: > If this is the case, and to help to boost performace better, wouldn't it > be easier/better to develop more towards today's processors/architecture > than to keep "legacy" systems in as well? Just a thought... I think many developers do try to target their code at relatively new systems, or at least whatever they can get their hands on. There are a lot of systems that have fallen by the wayside in the non-x86 Linux world, though. The SPARC (32-bit, not the 64-bit UltraSPARC) kernel code has become largely unmaintained. Some people hack on it occasionally, but you can't just pull down a 2.4.x kernel from ftp.kernel.org and get it to work. As long as there's someone out there who has time, knowledge, and a need for supporting something, it'll probably be supported. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You have saved our lives, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ we are eternally grateful! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcelo Tosatti is the person to send patches to. However, LKML is a good place to send a patch to get it reviewed before submitting it directly to one of the kernel maintainers. In addition, many driver maintainers would like you to send things directly to them, rather than getting patches laid on them from on high. Of course, many driver maintainers don't have their newest code in the main kernel tree, so there are cases where it might be necessary to go over their heads.. It seems to me that it's very much like the management of any large organization... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not the solution, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you're the precipitate. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At the same time, I'd like it if the kernel came in an x86 only package, so I didn't have to download the RISC/S390/AS400/Sparc/Amiga/PPC/... just to build an x86 kernel (most users would want this). Seems kinda silly to unpack megs of useless code. Thanks for the advice on the patches. I was wondering how the kernel could sustain itself the way it's being managed. Insightful stuff. -Brian From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 9 22:39:39 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <1031620170.13060.16.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> <1031620170.13060.16.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020910032937.GE7683@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:09:30PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 19:04, Shawn wrote: > > If this is the case, and to help to boost performace better, wouldn't it > > be easier/better to develop more towards today's processors/architecture > > than to keep "legacy" systems in as well? Just a thought... > > I think many developers do try to target their code at relatively new > systems, or at least whatever they can get their hands on. There are a > lot of systems that have fallen by the wayside in the non-x86 Linux > world, though. The SPARC (32-bit, not the 64-bit UltraSPARC) kernel > code has become largely unmaintained. Some people hack on it > occasionally, but you can't just pull down a 2.4.x kernel from > ftp.kernel.org and get it to work. 2.4.20-pre4 has a few minor compilation issues but other than that it works great (20 days uptime here). Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - Wanted to Buy - Specific Switch References: Message-ID: <3D7D5AA5.7DAC060D@reuter-engineering.com> I'm looking for a specific switch -- a Linksys EZXS88R. It's an 8 port 10/100 rack mount switch. I've got two of these that have worked well for me. I wanted to get another one but Linksys no longer makes them. If any of you happen to have one that you would be willing to sell, please contact me off the list. Thanks, Jon Reuter From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Sep 10 08:46:19 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - Wanted to Buy - Specific Switch In-Reply-To: <3D7D5AA5.7DAC060D@reuter-engineering.com>; from jreuter@reuter-engineering.com on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:36:22PM -0500 References: <3D7D5AA5.7DAC060D@reuter-engineering.com> Message-ID: <20020910060548.E32447@techmonkeys.org> Preface: Hi, you hijacked a thread. Usually this happens because you didn't take the time to click on 'new message' in your email client, but instead clicked on 'reply' then deleted the subject, and added your own. (Un)fortunately your e-mail client knows better, and retained some special headers in the email that let those of us with threading email clients know that you did this (and that your message was really in reply to someone else's) In the future please use the 'new message' button instead of replying to another message. On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:36:22PM -0500, Jon V. Reuter wrote: > I'm looking for a specific switch -- a Linksys EZXS88R. > It's an 8 port 10/100 rack mount switch. I've got two > of these that have worked well for me. I wanted to get > another one but Linksys no longer makes them. If any > of you happen to have one that you would be willing to > sell, please contact me off the list. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004Z8BJ/103-5465203-9213426 $139.94 http://www.outpost.com/product/2530901/ $119 http://www.globalmart.com/page/e/ing_ezxs88r.htm $129.42 etc. results are courtesy of www.google.com. > > Thanks, > > Jon Reuter -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com Tue Sep 10 10:06:56 2002 From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - Wanted to Buy - Specific Switch References: <3D7D5AA5.7DAC060D@reuter-engineering.com> <20020910060548.E32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3D7E0A71.D44A070C@reuter-engineering.com> "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > Preface: > > Hi, you hijacked a thread. Usually this happens because you didn't take > the time to click on 'new message' in your email client, but instead > clicked on 'reply' then deleted the subject, and added your own. Sorry about that. > In the future please use the 'new message' button instead of replying to another > message. Will do. > > > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:36:22PM -0500, Jon V. Reuter wrote: > > I'm looking for a specific switch -- a Linksys EZXS88R. > > It's an 8 port 10/100 rack mount switch. I've got two > > of these that have worked well for me. I wanted to get > > another one but Linksys no longer makes them. If any > > of you happen to have one that you would be willing to > > sell, please contact me off the list. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004Z8BJ/103-5465203-9213426 $139.94 > > http://www.outpost.com/product/2530901/ $119 > > http://www.globalmart.com/page/e/ing_ezxs88r.htm $129.42 > > etc. results are courtesy of www.google.com. Thanks for checking, but I guess I should have mentioned I did a Google search also. I contacted all of these places (and a few more) only to find that they don't stock them anymore. Amazon had a used one for $300, but that's a bit pricey since they sold for about $130 new. I also checked eBay with no luck. BTW, the reason I like these particular switches (aside from functioning well) is that the switch ports are spread out across the unit with status lights beside each port. This leaves ample room for putting a label beside each port. I know this is probably being picky but I find this feature rather handy. Thanks, Jon Reuter From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 12:47:51 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020910121224.44d8aa50.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:11:20 -0600 (CST) Brian wrote: > Yes and no. Let's say I have my m68k Mac chugging along, but I need > some of the new Reiser stuff. What am I supposed to do? What if they > stopped developing today for m68k, and 3 months from now a much needed > patch came out. Am I hosed? > There's enough people out there who would probably run across this issue as well, and those who code would come up with a fix. > At the same time, I'd like it if the kernel came in an x86 only > package, so I didn't have to download the > RISC/S390/AS400/Sparc/Amiga/PPC/... just to build an x86 kernel (most > users would want this). Seems kinda silly to unpack megs of useless > code. > This is kind of what I was trying to mention. Make a specific kernel port for each processor type: Alpha, Sparc, PA-RISC, Intel x86, Athlon, Mac, etc. Might be more work, but I think the benefits would be better off rather than jumbling everything into one thing. Also, you could probably have a lot better legacy support for each specific processor port type I'd think. Someone (Munir?) not that long ago ran into an issue where the kernel on their box (RH?) was compiled by default as a 386 or something other than it was. Yes, we all like to play at times, but I'd like to see it get everything right on the install. Shawn From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 10 13:28:55 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020910121224.44d8aa50.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020910121224.44d8aa50.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020910181034.GA800@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 12:12:24PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:11:20 -0600 (CST) > Brian wrote: > > > Yes and no. Let's say I have my m68k Mac chugging along, but I need > > some of the new Reiser stuff. What am I supposed to do? What if they > > stopped developing today for m68k, and 3 months from now a much needed > > patch came out. Am I hosed? > > > There's enough people out there who would probably run across this > issue as well, and those who code would come up with a fix. > > > At the same time, I'd like it if the kernel came in an x86 only > > package, so I didn't have to download the > > RISC/S390/AS400/Sparc/Amiga/PPC/... just to build an x86 kernel (most > > users would want this). Seems kinda silly to unpack megs of useless > > code. > > > This is kind of what I was trying to mention. Make a specific kernel > port for each processor type: Alpha, Sparc, PA-RISC, Intel x86, Athlon, > Mac, etc. Might be more work, Willing to volunteer for that work? > but I think the benefits would be better > off rather than jumbling everything into one thing. Please list some benefits. > Also, you could > probably have a lot better legacy support for each specific processor > port type I'd think. How? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020910/7f419539/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 15:30:49 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020910181034.GA800@iucha.net> References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020910121224.44d8aa50.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020910181034.GA800@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020910150223.06b2168f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:10:34 -0500 florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) wrote: > > > > > This is kind of what I was trying to mention. Make a specific > > kernel port for each processor type: Alpha, Sparc, PA-RISC, Intel > > x86, Athlon, Mac, etc. Might be more work, > > Willing to volunteer for that work? > Trust me, I couldn't code a simple "Hello" program if I tried. You wouldn't want it. > > but I think the benefits would be > > better > > off rather than jumbling everything into one thing. > > Please list some benefits. > Specific ports to specific processors would mean more focus on what makes each one tick, and how to "tweak" them into their own dynamic realms. Sort of like how each variance of Unix is for the most part specific to their platforms: HP-UX to PA-RISC, Solaris to Sparc, etc... To me, that would be the biggest overall part of it. The downside is that it's more work on the developers as well as the maintainers. > > Also, you could > > probably have a lot better legacy support for each specific > > processor port type I'd think. > > How? > See above. Unless of course, my thinking is too far out of whack for this. Shawn From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 15:56:52 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? Message-ID: <20020910153550.W15084@real-time.com> At the monthly meeting I was told someone from Dunnwoody said they would open up the campus for an installfest? Could the person from Dunnwoody email me off-list. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 10 16:10:31 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020910150223.06b2168f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Shawn wrote: > Specific ports to specific processors would mean more focus on what > makes each one tick, and how to "tweak" them into their own dynamic > realms. Sort of like how each variance of Unix is for the most part > specific to their platforms: HP-UX to PA-RISC, Solaris to Sparc, etc... > > To me, that would be the biggest overall part of it. The downside is > that it's more work on the developers as well as the maintainers. What you'd create is a forked mess. Imagine is the S/390, Amiga, and Sparc folks all forked the 2.4.19 kernel. Amiga developers write a patch for some Resier code that can be applied to all platforms. Now what? How do you fork the code back into the tree, then redistribute it back to all the little forks? My suggestion would not be a code fork, but just a re-packaging with every kernel release. Don't just offer one large compressed tarball, build tarballs for each platform. You haven't forked the code, you've just made the time it takes me to download and unpack that mess a lot shorter. -brian From drue at cs.und.edu Tue Sep 10 16:19:46 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <20020910153550.W15084@real-time.com> Message-ID: Do they do LAN parties too? On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > At the monthly meeting I was told someone from Dunnwoody said they would open up > the campus for an installfest? > > Could the person from Dunnwoody email me off-list. Thanks. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From MBMILLER at mn.rr.com Tue Sep 10 16:42:18 2002 From: MBMILLER at mn.rr.com (MBMiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes Message-ID: <001801c25910$54c460e0$22eb1941@mn.rr.com> Free, to new homes: three copies of Red Hat, version 7.1 Standard edition, with the trusty 2.4 kernel. Unopened boxes, suitable for workstations. Bob Miller mbmiller@usfamily.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 10 18:31:16 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020910150223.06b2168f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020909190428.42431fb4.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020910121224.44d8aa50.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020910181034.GA800@iucha.net> <20020910150223.06b2168f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031699754.1552.6.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 15:02, Shawn wrote: > Specific ports to specific processors would mean more focus on what > makes each one tick, and how to "tweak" them into their own dynamic > realms. Sort of like how each variance of Unix is for the most part > specific to their platforms: HP-UX to PA-RISC, Solaris to Sparc, etc... > > To me, that would be the biggest overall part of it. The downside is > that it's more work on the developers as well as the maintainers. Well, this is similar to how Unix got really fragmented.. Different groups and companies would go make their own version. Much of what you're talking about ends up being a compiler problem rather than a kernel problem anyway. Sure, there are ways that rearranging data and procedures can help, but it would be tremendously painful to write code for each different processor, and each sub-version of each processor, etc. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you tell a joke in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ forest, and nobody laughs, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) was it a joke? 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Or if anyone else know of a place to hold an installfest, please let Bob or I know. -- Clay On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > At the monthly meeting I was told someone from Dunnwoody said they would open up > the campus for an installfest? > > Could the person from Dunnwoody email me off-list. Thanks. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 18:43:46 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: References: <20020910150223.06b2168f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020910181826.56b7cfb9.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:01:27 -0600 (CST) Brian wrote: > What you'd create is a forked mess. Imagine is the S/390, Amiga, and > Sparc folks all forked the 2.4.19 kernel. Amiga developers write a > patch for some Resier code that can be applied to all platforms. Now > what? How do you fork the code back into the tree, then redistribute > it back to all the little forks? > Which is kind of the mess I was thinking of it becoming. But I do like an "optimized platform" idea. =) > My suggestion would not be a code fork, but just a re-packaging with > every kernel release. Don't just offer one large compressed tarball, > build tarballs for each platform. You haven't forked the code, you've > just made the time it takes me to download and unpack that mess a lot > shorter. > In a sense, isn't this already being done with the various ports offered by different vendors? From mbrowne at attbi.com Tue Sep 10 19:34:28 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes References: <001801c25910$54c460e0$22eb1941@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <007001c25927$4d967da0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I would like one of these. What do I need to do? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: MBMiller To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes Free, to new homes: three copies of Red Hat, version 7.1 Standard edition, with the trusty 2.4 kernel. Unopened boxes, suitable for workstations. Bob Miller mbmiller@usfamily.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A few different circuits would be nice. > How big a pipe? Not required, but nice. There are usually enough CDs floating around that it could be done without internet access. From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 10 23:11:28 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: <200209101841.g8AIfMd16811@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi I have partioned my hard disk and have made my system dual boot with Win Xp in one partion and RH 7.3 in another. I would like to read XP partition from linux. I tried adding an entry in /etc/fstab with hpfs as the filesystem type and it didnt work. Is there a way to read the Win XP partion. Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 23:18:18 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak Message-ID: <20020910230413.N2123@real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020910/2d272b1b/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 10 23:18:35 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020910181826.56b7cfb9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Shawn wrote: > In a sense, isn't this already being done with the various ports > offered by different vendors? Yes, but often vendors *cough* Redhat *cough* like to add their own little patches and so forth. I'd rather grab a vanilla kernel and apply the stuff *I* want patched in. I won't go into whatever Gentoo did to theirs, I don't remember what I saw in there but it sent for scrambling for the vanilla source! -Brian From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Sep 10 23:21:18 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> Message-ID: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> What happened to the enthusiastic offer from U of St Thomas? Didn't someone say U of MN was a possibility also? We shouldn't need to go to vo-techs. I think the Dunwoody offer (which was for permanent hosting) would be a mistake that will brand TCLUG as a vo-tech project for the uneducated. .. same for affiliating with any other vo-tech. I think it's best for TCLUG to continue moving around and to preferentially seek either neutral places (eg, the church site) or relevant corporate sites or actual universities that have relevant 4-year programs, or college prep high schools or the community colleges that are clearly on professional tracks. The issue isn't black and white, but vo-techs usually indicate an intellectual and educational dead-end choice that doesn't have a graduate school option or a professional association tie with the likes of IEEE or ACM, etc. I may be able to make arrangements at St Thomas or an industrial site through professional association contacts if the previous offer (Dan W?) from a student there has difficulties. Anyone else have similar feelings? --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? > > > Or if anyone else know of a place to hold an installfest, please let > Bob or I know. > > -- Clay > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > At the monthly meeting I was told someone from Dunnwoody > said they would open up > > the campus for an installfest? > > > > Could the person from Dunnwoody email me off-list. Thanks. > > From dutchman_mn at charter.net Tue Sep 10 23:42:48 2002 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? Message-ID: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> The subject says it all. I posted one symptom on the TCLUG-DEVEL late last week. My first symptom was my inability to execute Java. 75% of the time, the Java VM will segfault in the libjvm.so library. Okay, maybe, I am having trouble between RH 7.3 and the Java VM. I backed up the important stuff and decided to install Mandrake. Mandrake 8.2 barfed on install. Okay, no Mandrake. How about Debian? I had used it on a laptop in the past and liked the distribution. Barfs on the rescue disk with some error like "Kernel paging error at some hex address". I was getting desperate. I even tried Windows 2000. Blue screen on the install process. Since all of these barfed on the install, the underlying RH 7.3 was still there. I thought that maybe I was having memory problems. I ran memtest86 and everything ran fine. Still no joy with the Java VM. I pulled all the memory out of the Mobo (an Abit KT7A RAID) and put in a new single memory module (512 MB). Nope. RH 7.3 seems to run reasonably fine on the box. An occasional crash of Konqueror but that is about it. I can't seem to pin down any consistent error. I checked to make sure I had the latest BIOS for the MB. It has an Athlon 1.4 by the way. Is there anything else I can check? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Sep 10 23:43:44 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: put that game away RIGHT NOW! Message-ID: <003a01c25942$c611bcc0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> FYI from another list.. -----Original Message----- This just in from our International Stupidity Desk ... In Greece, it is now illegal to play computer games or other electronic games (like the old handheld electronic sports games from Mattel). Also illegal is playing games on cell phones -- like the Snake game on your Nokia. Links: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2879165,00.html http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2879092,00.html http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/9/4/12036/88708 (and I apologize in advance for the f-bomb somebody dropped on the page, but then that's k5 for you. You are warned.) There's up to a 75,000 euro fine for repeat offenders. And this makes every copy of Windows since 3.0 illegal (Solitaire, Minesweeper and Hearts, anyone?). (and we thought *American* politicians were dumb) __________________________________________________ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 10 23:49:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <003101c25928$89ad6000$290101c0@dccmn.com>; from waynej@dccmn.com on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 07:16:55PM -0500 References: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> <003101c25928$89ad6000$290101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20020910223422.A19856@real-time.com> Quoting Wayne Johnson (waynej@dccmn.com): > What sort of resources do you need? Umm, lots :-) > How large a room? Bigger the better. > Tables? Chairs? Chalkboards? How much power? How big a pipe? Since most of the stuff is local and people bring their own hubs and switches, pipe to the 'net can be small. Last installfest has over 200 people come (not all at once or all at the same time). That should give you a framework for the number of people. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 11 00:46:09 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Chuck Cole wrote: > Anyone else have similar feelings? i disagree, first of all at this point we are are straped for places to hold installfests at, we should not eliminate a place because it does not meet our educational standard second, personally i would rather have an installfest at a High school or under a bridge than at a business, the tclug is a community NOT a business and should be assosiated with learning rather than a business third, what is wrong with vo-tech colleges? you claim uneducated people, since when is a university the ONLY source of education? how many people on this list have a college education from a university? college? high school? life? how many here are even PLANNING on going to university much less grad school? anyways, enough ranting? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 11 00:48:25 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> References: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <1031721927.13830.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Anyone else have similar feelings? No. Umm, how do I say this delicately? No. Did I mention: No. ? Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 01:05:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:10:54PM -0600 References: <20020910181826.56b7cfb9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020911002650.G32447@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:10:54PM -0600, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Shawn wrote: > > > In a sense, isn't this already being done with the various ports > > offered by different vendors? > > Yes, but often vendors *cough* Redhat *cough* like to add their own > little patches and so forth. I'd rather grab a vanilla kernel and apply > the stuff *I* want patched in. What do you prefer? A hacked up debian kernel that has *important* modules like, oh, i don't know, ext filesystem support as a module? > > I won't go into whatever Gentoo did to theirs, I don't remember what I saw > in there but it sent for scrambling for the vanilla source! Feel free, most folks who would notice the difference have the know-how to compile their own. I for one appreciate the fact that redhat puts time and money into working on the linux kernel. > > -Brian -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 11 01:14:05 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <004401c25955$02442db0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Try the fan or look for overheating somewhere. I had similar problems with a box today. Mine was obvious that the CPU fan was dead when I opened the box. Runs fine with a new fan, and the CPU seems to have survived the roasting it got. A faded upper right corner of the monitor got normal again also, so the onboard video chip must have been too warm also. One of the shops I buy from was supplying crummy fans. Replacing them with ball-bearing fans has always been a good step. --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > The subject says it all. > > I posted one symptom on the TCLUG-DEVEL late last week. My > first symptom was > my inability to execute Java. 75% of the time, the Java VM > will segfault in > the libjvm.so library. > > > Is there anything else I can check? > > -- From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 11 03:10:50 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > Anyone else have similar feelings? > > i disagree, first of all at this point we are are straped for > places to > hold installfests at, we should not eliminate a place because > it does not > meet our educational standard We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other immediate offers. Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might hire for serious technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a hobbyist group with at most non-degree technician skills... on the average and the goal. To welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to indicate that the ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic track for professional skills (state regs indicate what "professional" means, and in engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). > second, personally i would rather have an installfest at a > High school or > under a bridge than at a business, the tclug is a community > NOT a business > and should be assosiated with learning rather than a business Meeting at a business does not reduce learning or technical excellence. Suffice to say that unix came from Bell Labs, a business, and that the best paying software/IT jobs are in high tech businesses here in town. I think you are grossly wrong in that idea, but the life choices are yours, of course. In general, competent people are paid for what they can do, and high tech businesses pay to hire, support, and develop education in many ways. Target (et al) might not. > third, what is wrong with vo-tech colleges? you claim > uneducated people, > since when is a university the ONLY source of education? Truck driving and department store PC repair is great, but it doesn't satisfy the state licensing regs for what "professional" engineering requires, nor does it add to a resume when seeking a professional caliber job. Of course, it is an advancing gateway into "the business" for some, but my point is the tougher image one about the implied ceilings on education and average levels of education. Not being able or not seeking to get business sponsors is a direct indication that TCLUG may have no business value or relevance for its kind of learning and participation. Some here may care a great deal about that implication. > how many people on this list have a college education from a > university? > college? high school? life? how many here are even PLANNING > on going to > university much less grad school? Interesting question! All the Linux users I knew before joining here are degreed engineers in high tech industry. Some are brilliant PhDs who own businesses and employ people locally. In fact, a PhD employed "in business" at UMN sent me a notice of an InstallFest and is the cause of my being here. I certainly welcome folks of all backgrounds, and would encourage even JrHS kids to participate, but I wouldn't like the image that TCLUG activity may be a "disqualifier" for solid technical values at levels above and way beyond the vo-techs. > anyways, enough ranting? Not hardly enough! The group needs to consider this stuff if it ever has a mission and enough form for serious non-profit donations of support to occur. One way to confuse these issues greatly would be for TCLUG to sponsor an Explorer Scout troop.. and welcome young women to join. The scout troop idea sets the aim to be education and the adults need only be good enough to help the kids. :-) --- Chuck From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 03:14:48 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net>; from dutchman_mn@charter.net on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:12:11PM -0500 References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <20020911014238.H32447@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:12:11PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > The subject says it all. > [snip] > Is there anything else I can check? There are a few steps you should try, first of all, you might want to download memtest86, an open source memory tester, and test your system memory. Also, most BIOS nowdays have the ability to show you the CPU and system temperature, while it will be a little lower than actual running temps, it will be a decent indicator of what the temperature was (Your 1.4ghz Athlon shouldn't be any higher than 140F, below 130F is a good temperature, mine hovers at 118F in a cool room under light load) you can also try lm_sensors in linux, which will read the temperature from the onboard sensors for you. You should also try removing all non essential components from the system while testing, putting them back in one-by-one (including extra sticks of RAM) Basicly: heat memory bad components If the problems continue even after testing components, you can try another CPU/RAM stick in the system, before you go about the task of removing the actual motherboard. > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Sep 11 04:08:22 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <20020911024652.4ced8ce6.kremer@ringworld.org> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:12:11 -0500 Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Is there anything else I can check? > Is there anything else connected to the motherboard? I've had similar symptoms from having a bad network card plugged in (actually, more than once...why do i keep buying linksys cards?) I wouldn't doubt that a flaky sound card or video card would do the same thing. Also, the KT7A is a VIA chipset, right? Are you using the correct VIA chipset driver in your kernel? I know that there are 2 to choose from, and chances are one of them will not like your computer. I don't remember what the symptoms were when I used the wrong one, though, and that really doesn't explain why Win2k also has installation issues... blah, am I beginning to ramble? I probably just need sleep. - Kremer From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 08:11:22 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT>; from cncole@earthlink.net on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:13:01PM -0500 References: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020911064856.B19856@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Cole (cncole@earthlink.net): > What happened to the enthusiastic offer from U of St Thomas? Didn't someone > say U of MN was a possibility also? We shouldn't need to go to vo-techs. The forces in power move slow in acadamia. It going to take a couple of months for St. Thomas to approve an installfest. We'll have one there, just later. > I think the Dunwoody offer (which was for permanent hosting) would be a > mistake that will brand TCLUG as a vo-tech project for the uneducated. .. > same for affiliating with any other vo-tech. I never said anything about a permanent location. And next, DUDE, expand your mind. Vo-tech = uneducated. Sheesh, nice stereo-type. Have a little professional curtesy huh? Given the difficulty in finding a place for an installfest and knowing most members think "branding" is what cowboys do to cattle in Texas (Hi poptix!). Any place is a good place. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 08:19:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT>; from cncole@earthlink.net on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:31:39AM -0500 References: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Cole (cncole@earthlink.net): > We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other > immediate offers. Really? Since Clay and/or I setup installfest, you must know something we don't. What other immediate offers are being ignored? Only other offer was St. Thomas and I do not think you have all the details. Unless something changed in the last couple of days. > Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether > TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might hire for serious > technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a hobbyist group with at > most non-degree technician skills... on the average and the goal. To > welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to indicate that the > ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic track for > professional skills (state regs indicate what "professional" means, and in > engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). Bah! Your attitude sucks. Your elitist attitude will do more harm to linux then any of these else. > Meeting at a business does not reduce learning or technical excellence. > Suffice to say that unix came from Bell Labs, a business, and that the best > paying software/IT jobs are in high tech businesses here in town. I think > you are grossly wrong in that idea, but the life choices are yours, of > course. In general, competent people are paid for what they can do, and > high tech businesses pay to hire, support, and develop education in many > ways. Target (et al) might not. Meeting -anywhere- is good. If a porn site offered huge bandwidth for linux iso images, do you have a problem using that site to get the files? Personally, I'd leech away. > Truck driving and department store PC repair is great, but it doesn't > satisfy the state licensing regs for what "professional" engineering > requires, nor does it add to a resume when seeking a professional caliber > job. Of course, it is an advancing gateway into "the business" for some, > but my point is the tougher image one about the implied ceilings on > education and average levels of education. Not being able or not seeking to > get business sponsors is a direct indication that TCLUG may have no business > value or relevance for its kind of learning and participation. Some here > may care a great deal about that implication. And some may not care at all. I hope tclug never seeks to get direct business sponsorship. It's a community of users, for the users, by the users. "Angel" sponsorship (much like Angel investors) of tclug is always welcome. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 08:29:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net>; from dutchman_mn@charter.net on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:12:11PM -0500 References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <20020911070426.D19856@real-time.com> Quoting Perry Hoekstra (dutchman_mn@charter.net): > Is there anything else I can check? Looks like bad drive or motherboard. IDE drive(s)? If you got time, you can stop by Real Time and I can loan you a new 15G IDE drive to test with. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 08:34:23 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org is offline Message-ID: <20020911070609.E19856@real-time.com> Gladiator is offline. Looks like 1 of the drives in the 2nd lvm node is dead. I'll post more details here when I get them. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 09:05:09 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <20020911064856.B19856@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 06:48:56AM -0500 References: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> <20020911064856.B19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020911084832.K32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 06:48:56AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Given the difficulty in finding a place for an installfest and knowing most > members think "branding" is what cowboys do to cattle in Texas (Hi poptix!). Any > place is a good place. Er, it is.. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Sep 11 09:08:40 2002 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? References: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> <20020911064856.B19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D7F4E90.8309BECB@gvtel.com> > > > I never said anything about a permanent location. And next, DUDE, expand your > mind. Vo-tech = uneducated. Sheesh, nice stereo-type. Have a little professional > curtesy huh? > My two cents worth here. At least some vo-tech programs also require college credits. In my own case I went to college 3 days a week for half days, and to the tech for most, but not all of the rest. And that was just a stepping stone to get started on a degree, not the end. RS From dante at plethora.net Wed Sep 11 09:17:33 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try NTFS. HPFS is for MacOS IIRC. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From ben at workscited.net Wed Sep 11 09:33:00 2002 From: ben at workscited.net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bandwidth available Message-ID: <200209110915.49007.ben@workscited.net> I've asked for help a number of times on this list without being able to give much back, and I felt pretty bad about that. Now that I have a cable modem, I can at least offer bandwidth to those who don't yet have broadband. I know I wished I had someone to impose upon while I was on the other side of the 56K line. This is a standing offer to anyone who needs to download (or upload) mass quantities in a short period of time. With the exception of software piracy and copyright violation, consider yourselves invited to set up a time to bring your computer over (I'm near Lake & Lyndale) or to have me download and burn CDs for you. No sense letting the bandwidth go to waste. ;-) Oh yeah, and it looks like I need some help getting started with apt4rpm... what do you want on your pizza? :-S --Ben From drue at cs.und.edu Wed Sep 11 09:34:08 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes In-Reply-To: <001801c25910$54c460e0$22eb1941@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: > Free, to new homes: three copies of Red Hat, version 7.1 Standard edition, with the trusty 2.4 kernel. Unopened boxes, suitable for workstations. > Bob Miller mbmiller@usfamily.net Be sure to update those installs.. dont want to get rooted :) A bunch of 7.1 boxes got owned at school last spring because of a wu-ftp vulnerability. Deb rocks. dan From amy at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 09:51:10 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT>; from cncole@earthlink.net on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:13:01PM -0500 References: <20020910212309.GO26219@fandre.com> <003801c25938$c244e1d0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020911093235.N1724@real-time.com> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:13:01PM -0500, Chuck Cole (cncole@earthlink.net) wrote: > Anyone else have similar feelings? No. The goal should be to help people learn about linux, no matter what age, education, background, etc. Finding locations for installfests have always been difficult, which is why we typically have only 2-4 per year. Your comments about vo-tech schools are disappointing. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since when has the TCLUG become a professional group? Sure, there are professionals involved in the group, but that doesn't make it a "professional group". Personally I'd love to sponsor an Explorer Scout troop, Girl Scout troop, or anything else that deals with the future of America. That's exactly why the TCLUG was started. Not to help yourself, but rather to help others. -- Clay From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 11 09:51:57 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bandwidth available In-Reply-To: <200209110915.49007.ben@workscited.net> References: <200209110915.49007.ben@workscited.net> Message-ID: <1031755642.15640.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Oh yeah, and it looks like I need some help getting started with apt4rpm... > what do you want on your pizza? :-S --Ben How about Bacon Bits and Pineapple? Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From foeclan at visi.com Wed Sep 11 09:54:08 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Chuck Cole wrote: > Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether > TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might hire for serious > technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a hobbyist group with at > most non-degree technician skills... on the average and the goal. To > welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to indicate that the > ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic track for > professional skills (state regs indicate what "professional" means, and in > engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). > Err... since when are we a 'type', and since when do you need to, on average, have a degree to learn about Linux? Isn't the whole point of an InstallFest to have those of us who know something about Linux help those who don't (be they a mechanic, housewife, or PhD) get it installed and show them some of what it can do? How, exactly, does Dunwoody fail to meet these standards? Why do we need to say there's a ceiling at all? Do you honestly think that someone will say 'Well, I wanted to hire you, but it would appear that you once attended a Linux InstallFest at Dunwoody Institute... now, if it had been at St. Thomas, you'd be enrolling in your 401k program as we speak, but Dunwoody... *tsktsk*'. If an InstallFest location meets our needs, what's the difference whether they offer Associates in Applied Science and a Bachelor of Science degree program (as Dunwoody does) or graduate programs (as some other colleges do)? > Meeting at a business does not reduce learning or technical excellence. > Suffice to say that unix came from Bell Labs, a business, and that the best > paying software/IT jobs are in high tech businesses here in town. I think > you are grossly wrong in that idea, but the life choices are yours, of > course. In general, competent people are paid for what they can do, and > high tech businesses pay to hire, support, and develop education in many > ways. Target (et al) might not. > Target does more to sponsor education than most tech companies. They just aim at public schools that can use the money, rather than colleges that're raising tuition to pay multimillion dollar salaries. > Truck driving and department store PC repair is great, but it doesn't > satisfy the state licensing regs for what "professional" engineering > requires, nor does it add to a resume when seeking a professional caliber > job. Of course, it is an advancing gateway into "the business" for some, > but my point is the tougher image one about the implied ceilings on > education and average levels of education. Not being able or not seeking to > get business sponsors is a direct indication that TCLUG may have no business > value or relevance for its kind of learning and participation. Some here > may care a great deal about that implication. > Why should the TCLUG have business value? It is, by definition, a User's Group. Not an organization of professional Linux developers and admins that require a degree and GPA to get in. There aren't dues. There aren't membership cards. We don't kick you out if you decide to drive a truck for a living or repair PCs. > Interesting question! All the Linux users I knew before joining here are > degreed engineers in high tech industry. Some are brilliant PhDs who own > businesses and employ people locally. In fact, a PhD employed "in business" > at UMN sent me a notice of an InstallFest and is the cause of my being here. > I certainly welcome folks of all backgrounds, and would encourage even JrHS > kids to participate, but I wouldn't like the image that TCLUG activity may > be a "disqualifier" for solid technical values at levels above and way > beyond the vo-techs. > I have an Associate of Arts degree from Anoka-Ramsey Community College. I got it as I graduated high school. I didn't get a BA or BS (strangely, when you're a Biology major and spend all your time on the computer, you don't do so well in school). Somehow, in spite of having a blight like community college on my resume, I was hired to do work that has 'B.S. in Computer Science' in its requirements. Somehow, I managed to acquire skills without having a degree. Imagine that. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 11 09:56:21 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031750138.9006.2.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 22:57, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > I have partioned my hard disk and have made my system dual boot with Win > Xp in one partion and RH 7.3 in another. I would like to read XP partition > from linux. I tried adding an entry in /etc/fstab with hpfs as the > filesystem type and it didnt work. Is there a way to read the Win XP > partion. Not sure if Linux can read WinXP partitions, but you should try mounting it as NTFS rather than HPFS. HPFS is the filesystem for OS/2, while NTFS is for WinNT and descendants. They were the same thing at some point, but that was a long time ago.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ `desserts' spelled backward / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ is `stressed' \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a way to read the Win XP > partion. > Thanks for the help in advance. > Sreekumar florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020911/bcfd1390/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Wed Sep 11 09:57:40 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [Flame]:In defence of vo-techs (was: RE: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? ) Message-ID: <20020911061851.21778.h000.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 11 September 2002, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Warning: This is a flame. (Mild for the most part.) If these types of post annoy you please hit delete, or next message now. I apologize for infringing on your bandwidth. > Wrong ideas about "educational standards:: some of the > issues are whether > TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might > hire for serious > technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a > hobbyist group with at > most non-degree technician skills... on the average and > the goal. To > welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to > indicate that the > ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic > track for > professional skills (state regs indicate what > "professional" means, and in > engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). > Munir did such a nice job of pointing out the elitist tone of your original post that I was prepared to let this die then, but you had to through fuel on a burning flame. I take your slams of "vo-techs" personally. As I have stated in the past on this list I spent close to two years in Duluth teaching in a "Career College" (what you refer to scornfully as vo-techs). To my knowledge we were the first school in the Duluth area (not UMD, not St Scholastica, not Lake Superior College, not Fond du Lac T&CC) to offer a course in Linux. Why? Because the local and regional businesses that advised DBU about what they needed and wanted to see in the skill set of technicians they hired, thought it was good to have people who new more than the MS operating systems. Not all people in the IT world are engineers some of them are technicians. > > Meeting at a business does not reduce learning or > technical excellence. > Suffice to say that unix came from Bell Labs, a > business, and that the best > paying software/IT jobs are in high tech businesses > here in town. I think > you are grossly wrong in that idea, but the life > choices are yours, of > course. In general, competent people are paid for what > they can do, and > high tech businesses pay to hire, support, and develop > education in many > ways. Target (et al) might not. > While the Bell Labs statement is accurate when it was created it was an arm of a government supported monopoly. AT&T could afford to have a pure research lab because of that situation. With deregulation one of the first "voluntary" spinoffs from AT&T was the Bell Labs group into Bellcore and later Lucent. They now had to "go it alone." > Truck driving and department store PC repair is great, > but it doesn't > satisfy the state licensing regs for what > "professional" engineering > requires, nor does it add to a resume when seeking a > professional caliber > job. Of course, it is an advancing gateway into "the > business" for some, > but my point is the tougher image one about the implied > ceilings on > education and average levels of education. This paragraph shows that you are not elitist but an uninformed idiot as well. Three of the most popular programs at DBU are the Medical Assistant, Dental Assistant, and Vetrinary Assistant programs. The MA and DA programs lead to state board certifications. These students are required to do practical training in actual clinical environment. Not my idea of "ceiling on education". Many of my students in the Network Support program were people who had degrees (some 2, some 4 year) in other areas but had decided to change careers. One of my first class of students was former farmer with a BA from the U of Mn in agriculture and many years as farm analyst for the US Dept. of Ag. Next time you make sweeping generalizations do one of two things. Know your facts or put on your asbestos underware > Interesting question! All the Linux users I knew > before joining here are > degreed engineers in high tech industry. Some are > brilliant PhDs who own > businesses and employ people locally. In fact, a PhD > employed "in business" > at UMN sent me a notice of an InstallFest and is the > cause of my being here. > I certainly welcome folks of all backgrounds, and would > encourage even JrHS > kids to participate, but I wouldn't like the image that > TCLUG activity may > be a "disqualifier" for solid technical values at > levels above and way > beyond the vo-techs. Could it be that its because those are the people with whom you associate? Last I checked the LUG was a "users group" and not a "professional society". If you use Linux you are welcome. > > > anyways, enough ranting? > > Not hardly enough! The group needs to consider this > stuff if it ever has a > mission and enough form for serious non-profit > donations of support to > occur. > One way to confuse these issues greatly would be for > TCLUG to sponsor an > Explorer Scout troop.. and welcome young women to join. > The scout troop > idea sets the aim to be education and the adults need > only be good enough to > help the kids. :-) > I'm not sure I follow your train of thought. (Which is probably a good thing for me.) Are you in support of sponsoring a scout troop? If so I say "Bravo!" if you are implying that to be a bad idea then I return to my original assessment of you as a pompass, arrogant, elitist idiot. > --- > > Chuck > Jack Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 11 10:07:55 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> References: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <1031752016.15673.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> > We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other > immediate offers. > > Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether > TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might hire for serious > technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a hobbyist group with at > most non-degree technician skills... on the average and the goal. To > welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to indicate that the > ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic track for > professional skills (state regs indicate what "professional" means, and in > engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). Heh, the arrogance exhibited here is quite amazing. I'll keep this email, one day I'll have children and I'll tell them, if I ever hear you speak like this man wrote I'll disown your arrogant, self-important behinds so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. TCLUG: Educational tools for your future children. :) ... More arrogance. ... > > anyways, enough ranting? > > Not hardly enough! The group needs to consider this stuff if it ever has a > mission and enough form for serious non-profit donations of support to > occur. No, it is enough. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From alcyone at slava.net Wed Sep 11 10:11:01 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> References: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020911144227.GA14181@sadalbari> What a fine Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:31:39AM -0500 it was when Chuck Cole said: > > Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether > TCLUG folk are the type/quality that a business might hire for serious > technical stuff, or whether they are categorically a hobbyist group with > at > most non-degree technician skills... on the average and the goal. If I were hiring someone for serious technical stuff, they REALLY need to have more than TCLUG on their resume. I don't care where installfests are held. This is a Linux USERS group, not a Linux Job Acquirers Group or Linux Resume Makers Group. > To > welcome non-degreed folks from anywhere is fine, but to indicate that the > ceiling is no higher than vo-tech, and off the academic track for > professional skills (state regs indicate what "professional" means, and > in > engineering cases it is specific about having a degree). I really don't see how the location of our installfests indicates a ceiling. No one has ever implied that I must be undereducated just because I've set foot on community college or vo-tech soil for some event or other. Furthermore, going to an installfest at a church has not affected anyone's opinion of my religion. In fact, I would be more worried about the implications of continuously holding them at churches than the implications of continuously holding them at a vo-tech. > Truck driving and department store PC repair is great, but it doesn't > satisfy the state licensing regs for what "professional" engineering > requires, nor does it add to a resume when seeking a professional caliber > job. I just double-checked the TCLUG homepage and I didn't see anything about 1) state licensing 2) engineering 3) professional jobs 4) truck driving 5) department store PC repair Apparently we have completely different ideas about what the group exists for. If you want a professional engineering job, join IEEE. If you want to use Linux and be around other people using Linux, join TCLUG. I don't think anyone has ever implied that TCLUG should be the highlight of your resume, or the selling point in your interview. > Interesting question! All the Linux users I knew before joining here are > degreed engineers in high tech industry. All the Linux users I knew before joining here were undergraduates in computer science, but I never thought Linux users were limited to or even most prevelent in that domain. I was an undergraduate in computer science too, so it makes sense that I wouldn't meet a huge number of degreed engineers, or Linux-using truck drivers. > I certainly welcome folks of all backgrounds, and would encourage even > JrHS > kids to participate, but I wouldn't like the image that TCLUG activity > may > be a "disqualifier" for solid technical values at levels above and way > beyond the vo-techs. So if we hold it at a elementary school, does that mean we all dropped out of Junior High? I think most people understand that an event like an installfest needs resources that a) not everyone has b) not everyone will lend for free > Not hardly enough! The group needs to consider this stuff if it ever has > a > mission and enough form for serious non-profit donations of support to > occur. Please not the non-profit debate again. Lorry From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 11 10:14:17 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernels and patches In-Reply-To: <20020911002650.G32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Feel free, most folks who would notice the difference have the know-how to > compile their own. I for one appreciate the fact that redhat puts time > and money into working on the linux kernel. very important here... I'm not saying that vendors are in the wrong. The nice thing about linux is that if I have no clue what I'm doing, a vendor like Redhat will select the options and build me what I PROBABLY want, and I'll be happy with it because it does what I asked it to do. Then I find out (Slashdot, LUG, Google) that by going into the code and changing DEF_FOO = 5 to DEF_FOO = 10 I can increase the window size and load more widgets. Sweet! Windows model: Those who don't want to know, can't Those who WANT to know, can't Linux model: Those who don't want to know, don't have to Those who WANT to know, can, and usually do. So, I'm not syaing that any vendor is at fault for what they do. I just have a better feeling when I know what's in my kernel. Linux gives us choice. If we want a pre-packaged Windows replacement, linux will do that. If I want to boot into a kernel and a shell and work up from there, I can do that too. -Brian From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Sep 11 10:17:41 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031756162.4140.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> And proftp tends to rock also. I find it hard to configure but the first thing I do on any new install is install that. Brady On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 09:23, Dan Rue wrote: > > Free, to new homes: three copies of Red Hat, version 7.1 Standard edition, with the trusty 2.4 kernel. Unopened boxes, suitable for workstations. > > Bob Miller mbmiller@usfamily.net > > Be sure to update those installs.. dont want to get rooted :) > A bunch of 7.1 boxes got owned at school last spring because of a wu-ftp > vulnerability. > > Deb rocks. > > dan From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 11 10:33:22 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: <20020911131613.GA1667@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:57:44PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > Hi > > I have partioned my hard disk and have made my system dual boot with Win > > Xp in one partion and RH 7.3 in another. I would like to read XP partition > > from linux. I tried adding an entry in /etc/fstab with hpfs as the > ^^^^ > ntfs > But you might need to recompile your kernel as RedHat probably does not > offer NTFS out of the box. But from pure source! The kernel-source RedHat provides has a broken NTFS module. Attempting any I/O (including a directory listing) on the NTFS volume will result in a hard system lock. I learned this the annoying way this week. I didn't feel like compiling a kernel *again*, so I just did a quick Mandrake install on a spare drive and that worked fine. In this case I was attempting to recover data from a hosed NTFS drive. It wouldn't boot, another Win2K box couldn't read it (said the drive was unformatted -- uh-oh!), but linux-ntfs got the data back. URL explaining the RedHat/NTFS problem: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/index.html#3.13 Hope this saves people some time. ;) Jima From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 11 10:33:46 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Try NTFS. HPFS is for MacOS IIRC. Close, but not quite. As Mike Hicks pointed out, HPFS is the OS/2 filesystem. MacOS uses HFS, the Hierarchical File System. Jima From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 11:31:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 10:26:22AM -0500 References: <20020911131613.GA1667@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020911112033.L32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 10:26:22AM -0500, Jima wrote: > But from pure source! The kernel-source RedHat provides has a broken > NTFS module. Attempting any I/O (including a directory listing) on the > NTFS volume will result in a hard system lock. I learned this the > annoying way this week. I didn't feel like compiling a kernel *again*, so > I just did a quick Mandrake install on a spare drive and that worked fine. > In this case I was attempting to recover data from a hosed NTFS drive. > It wouldn't boot, another Win2K box couldn't read it (said the drive was > unformatted -- uh-oh!), but linux-ntfs got the data back. > > URL explaining the RedHat/NTFS problem: > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/index.html#3.13 If you didn't run old redhat versions, and refuse to upgrade, you wouldn't have these problems. "apt-get dist-upgrade" would have been a lot faster than installing mandrake, and spreading FUD (even with a url that points out that this was with 2.4.9-*) is bad, even if you aren't microsoft. > > Hope this saves people some time. ;) > > Jima -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 11 12:06:47 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: <20020911112033.L32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > If you didn't run old redhat versions, and refuse to upgrade, you > wouldn't have these problems. Oh, yes, RedHat 7.2 is bloody ancient. I upgrade when there's a reason. I don't have a reason to install 7.3 on my devel box. My workstation, yes, but not that machine. > "apt-get dist-upgrade" would have been a lot faster than installing mandrake, > and spreading FUD (even with a url that points out that this was with 2.4.9-*) > is bad, even if you aren't microsoft. Since when is stating that RedHat has a screwy NTFS driver (in 7.2, I forgot to mention; my apologies) FUD? It's not an attempt to drive people away from Linux. It's not even an attempt to drive people away from RedHat. I doubt it'll inspire any Fear, Uncertainty, or Doubt in anyone. If it does, I think my previous post should be the least of your worries. Getting apt-get working, then running "apt-get dist-upgrade" wouldn't have been faster. (I don't use apt-get; updating the server farm from a local NFS server is more time- and bandwidth-efficient, and kinder to mirrors.) Installing a minimal (~150mb) Mandrake install went very quickly. And besides, this relies upon the (false) assumption that I wanted 7.3 on that machine. Once again, another "latest is greatest" debate. Joy. Why don't we throw in a editor/MTA/MUA/distro war in, while we're at it? Jima From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 12:31:12 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org is offline In-Reply-To: <20020911070609.E19856@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:06:09AM -0500 References: <20020911070609.E19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020911121911.G19856@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Gladiator is offline. Looks like 1 of the drives in the 2nd lvm node is dead. > I'll post more details here when I get them. Ok, looks like 1 drive in the first array is bad, but the Promise IDE controllers aren't forth coming on identifying the drive. NOTE THE ABOVE. I remove my recommendation of the Promise IDE controllers! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 13:11:48 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:49:30AM -0500 References: <20020911112033.L32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020911125205.N32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:49:30AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > If you didn't run old redhat versions, and refuse to upgrade, you > > wouldn't have these problems. > > Oh, yes, RedHat 7.2 is bloody ancient. > I upgrade when there's a reason. I don't have a reason to install 7.3 on > my devel box. My workstation, yes, but not that machine. > > > "apt-get dist-upgrade" would have been a lot faster than installing mandrake, > > and spreading FUD (even with a url that points out that this was with 2.4.9-*) > > is bad, even if you aren't microsoft. > > Since when is stating that RedHat has a screwy NTFS driver (in 7.2, I > forgot to mention; my apologies) FUD? It's not an attempt to drive people > away from Linux. It's not even an attempt to drive people away from > RedHat. I doubt it'll inspire any Fear, Uncertainty, or Doubt in anyone. > If it does, I think my previous post should be the least of your worries. "Linux is fragmented" "RedHat breaks their kernels" "RedHat broke the NTFS module in 2.4.9" etc, there are the sort of things that a vague comment like that starts, "RedHat didn't bother to backport the ntfs module updates from the newer kernels because they don't support the NTFS module" would have been less confusing, less biased, and much more informative =) As for the 2.4.9 kernel, yes, you're 9 kernels behind the current redhat kernel (2.4.18). stop whining and upgrade =) > > Getting apt-get working, then running "apt-get dist-upgrade" wouldn't > have been faster. (I don't use apt-get; updating the server farm from a > local NFS server is more time- and bandwidth-efficient, and kinder to > mirrors.) Installing a minimal (~150mb) Mandrake install went very > quickly. And besides, this relies upon the (false) assumption that I > wanted 7.3 on that machine. rpm -Uh http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.3/en/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/apt-0.3.19cnc55-fr8.i386.rpm apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade done. > Once again, another "latest is greatest" debate. Joy. > Why don't we throw in a editor/MTA/MUA/distro war in, while we're at it? RedHat isn't providing the latest, (latest kernel release is 2.4.19), but when they release updates, you should consider actually upgrading, if you don't, you have no right to bitch, whine, complain or anything else, Much like running development kernels, or debian unstable. > > Jima -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 11 13:16:23 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> References: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1031766691.31398.1.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 07:02, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Chuck Cole (cncole@earthlink.net): > > We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other > > immediate offers. > > Really? Since Clay and/or I setup installfest, you must know something we don't. > What other immediate offers are being ignored? Only other offer was St. Thomas Ditto. I am not aware of a UMN offer for space. We simply don't have many good installfestable rooms. If you know of one here and can get a hold of it, great, but not many exist. Coffman worked great when we had a contact there. Perhaps the St. Paul Student Center? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 11 13:35:56 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: WAY OT:Re: :In defence of vo-techs (was: RE: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? ) In-Reply-To: <20020911061851.21778.h000.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20020911061851.21778.h000.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <1031767323.31398.9.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 08:18, jack@jacku.com wrote: > programs at DBU are the Medical Assistant, Dental > Assistant, and Vetrinary Assistant programs. The MA and Personally, I would have someone go to a place like Argossy for 'Vet Assistant'. Any program such as that, that isn't aiming towards a VT certification, is just asking for a dead end. (CVTs also have to take continuing education, etc.) It usually leads to a glorified receptionist role. (Here, handle the front desk, we will grab you when you need to help restrain something.) Personally, anyone asking for tuition for a non-CVT-goal course is stealing your money for false hopes. <$.02> -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 11 14:55:02 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Try NTFS. HPFS is for MacOS IIRC. MacOS uses HFS, HFS+ for newer macs (think fat32) it stands for Hierarchical File System HPFS is the High Performance File System which was supposed to replace the inferior FATFS when OS/2 replaced DOS... things did not work so well for IBM when MS stole/built on the OS/2 project code base (it was a joint venture between MS and IBM) and started NT, iirc NTFS and HPFS are(were) virtually identical except for a few minors changes that MS introduces with WinNT Munir Nassar From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Sep 11 15:06:40 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux systems for new homes References: <1031756162.4140.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D7F8FF8.B48C064A@mailandnews.com> I tried proftp too, but for some reason it didn't work with AFS. Users couldn't authenticate. Brady Hegberg wrote: > And proftp tends to rock also. I find it hard to configure but the > first thing I do on any new install is install that. > > Brady > > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 09:23, Dan Rue wrote: > > > Free, to new homes: three copies of Red Hat, version 7.1 Standard edition, with the trusty 2.4 kernel. Unopened boxes, suitable for workstations. > > > Bob Miller mbmiller@usfamily.net > > > > Be sure to update those installs.. dont want to get rooted :) > > A bunch of 7.1 boxes got owned at school last spring because of a wu-ftp > > vulnerability. > > > > Deb rocks. > > > > dan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 11 15:08:25 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: <20020911125205.N32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > "Linux is fragmented" "RedHat breaks their kernels" "RedHat broke the NTFS > module in 2.4.9" etc, there are the sort of things that a vague comment like > that starts, "RedHat didn't bother to backport the ntfs module updates from > the newer kernels because they don't support the NTFS module" would have been > less confusing, less biased, and much more informative =) Great. Now your "more technically enlightened than thou" attitude is spreading to the mailing list. Sorry I can't live up to your standards. > As for the 2.4.9 kernel, yes, you're 9 kernels behind the current redhat > kernel (2.4.18). stop whining and upgrade =) You've yet to present an objective reason to upgrade. I find having a 7.2 RPM build host more useful, thanks. > > Getting apt-get working, then running "apt-get dist-upgrade" wouldn't > > have been faster. (I don't use apt-get; updating the server farm from a > > local NFS server is more time- and bandwidth-efficient, and kinder to > > mirrors.) Installing a minimal (~150mb) Mandrake install went very > > quickly. And besides, this relies upon the (false) assumption that I > > wanted 7.3 on that machine. > > rpm -Uh http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.3/en/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/apt-0.3.19cnc55-fr8.i386.rpm > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > done. If that would take less than 15 minutes (slow CD-ROM on the install), sure. If not, it's just wasting time. But that still assumes that I'd want 7.3 on that machine. How hard is this for you to understand? > > Once again, another "latest is greatest" debate. Joy. > > Why don't we throw in a editor/MTA/MUA/distro war in, while we're at it? > > RedHat isn't providing the latest, (latest kernel release is 2.4.19), but > when they release updates, you should consider actually upgrading, if you > don't, you have no right to bitch, whine, complain or anything else, > Much like running development kernels, or debian unstable. I was referring to your insistance on running the latest release. If I wanted bleeding-edge, I'd run RawHide, Debian Unstable, or Mandrake Cooker. I don't. I want stable, reliable servers. So I stick with stable releases. I prefer to thoroughly test a release before putting it on a mission-critical machine. Why? Downtime isn't an option. My co-workers and clients need these servers to run. I don't have the luxury of time and resources to break and unbreak servers. When have I bitched about RedHat? When have I whined? When have I complained? I don't think you want to start flinging mud around. All I did was voice a (poorly worded) warning meant to save people time, frustration, and confusion. I'll remember to keep my mouth shut in the future, lest I anger people. This has the feel of a fight picked merely for the fun in fighting. Big surprise. Jima From dante at plethora.net Wed Sep 11 15:43:49 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the correction. On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > Try NTFS. HPFS is for MacOS IIRC. > > MacOS uses HFS, HFS+ for newer macs (think fat32) it stands for > Hierarchical File System > > HPFS is the High Performance File System which was supposed to replace the > inferior FATFS when OS/2 replaced DOS... > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 11 16:49:44 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org is offline In-Reply-To: <20020911121911.G19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Gladiator is offline. Looks like 1 of the drives in the 2nd lvm node > > is dead. I'll post more details here when I get them. > > Ok, looks like 1 drive in the first array is bad, but the Promise IDE > controllers aren't forth coming on identifying the drive. > > NOTE THE ABOVE. I remove my recommendation of the Promise IDE > controllers! Well, since I'm the one actually hacking on the box, I figured I'd report the status. :) Looks like one of the 45gb drives on the primary raid controller, which is at the end of the LVM Volume Group, has died. The controller sucks. I couldn't get it to tell me which drive is dead.. don't buy a Promise SX6000 controller. In any case, through much hackery (deleting/adding drives to the controller, etc), I managed to get it to come back up. It's fscking right now, has been for ~2 hours, it's 25% done. :( We're not bringing it back online until tommorrow at the earliest though.. when it comes all the way up, I'm going to copy the data we've got on there over to another box, and we're getting rid of the promise controllers. As of sometime tommorrow (assuming Fedex does their job right), Gladiator will have 6 160gb Maxtor 5400rpm drives and 6 120gb Western Digital 7200rpm (on sale at MicroCenter for $150 right now!) drives hooked up to a brand new 3ware Escalade 7500 12-channel controller. Neat, huh? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 17:21:37 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:50:45PM -0500 References: <20020911125205.N32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020911162916.Q32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:50:45PM -0500, Jima wrote: > Great. Now your "more technically enlightened than thou" attitude is > spreading to the mailing list. Sorry I can't live up to your standards. > I don't like people spreading bad information, if you can't give a decent explanation of something, then please, keep it to yourself. Bad information is worse than no information. > > As for the 2.4.9 kernel, yes, you're 9 kernels behind the current redhat > > kernel (2.4.18). stop whining and upgrade =) > > You've yet to present an objective reason to upgrade. I find having a > 7.2 RPM build host more useful, thanks. "The NTFS module is broken" that was the reason for upgrading, I don't care what kernel you use, I've still got systems running 2.0.x kernels. > If that would take less than 15 minutes (slow CD-ROM on the install), > sure. If not, it's just wasting time. But that still assumes that I'd > want 7.3 on that machine. How hard is this for you to understand? Mandrake takes 15 minutes just to get into the installer and past the installation questions. Like I said, I don't care what distribution/version of a distribution you use, but don't bitch and whine when you're running an old one and *gasp* it isn't being kept *UP TO DATE WITH THE NEWEST SOFTWARE*, (including the kernel, with the NTFS fixes) exactly what you've been saying you don't want. If you want your "stable" version of redhat, continue using 7.2, do not complain that the latest 7.2 has a broken ntfs module. if you want a redhat kernel, without a broken ntfs module, upgrade to 7.3. you can of course, always compile your own kernel, but that would require upgrading to newer (potentially unstable!) kernels. > I was referring to your insistance on running the latest release. If I > wanted bleeding-edge, I'd run RawHide, Debian Unstable, or Mandrake > Cooker. I don't. I want stable, reliable servers. So I stick with > stable releases. I prefer to thoroughly test a release before putting it > on a mission-critical machine. Why? Downtime isn't an option. My > co-workers and clients need these servers to run. I don't have the luxury > of time and resources to break and unbreak servers. "stable, reliable servers", you mean the ones you're rebooting to drop an NTFS hard drive into for data recovery? RedHat 7.2 is no more stable than 7.3, you've complained about all sorts of things in 7.3 regarding stability but never given a real example. > When have I bitched about RedHat? When have I whined? When have I > complained? I don't think you want to start flinging mud around. All I > did was voice a (poorly worded) warning meant to save people time, > frustration, and confusion. I'll remember to keep my mouth shut in the > future, lest I anger people. The url was fine, unfortunately the person who wrote it is also biased. > > This has the feel of a fight picked merely for the fun in fighting. Big > surprise. You /were/ the one asking to be flamed, besides, it's better than the stupid troll vo-tech thread =) > > Jima -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Sep 11 18:04:16 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? In-Reply-To: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> References: <004501c2595d$1cc2bc30$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020911224018.GP7395@tcopensys.com> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:31:39AM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > >Not hardly enough! The group needs to consider this stuff if it ever has a >mission and enough form for serious non-profit donations of support to >occur. >One way to confuse these issues greatly would be for TCLUG to sponsor an >Explorer Scout troop.. and welcome young women to join. The scout troop >idea sets the aim to be education and the adults need only be good enough to >help the kids. :-) I do hope you are not advocating the inclusion of the scouting world into the TCLUG. Look. We are a very loose nit group of Linux Users. We are not a non-profit because we don't want to be (or are just too lazy). We don't no adhere to a formal organizational structure because we choose not to. This is the TCLUG not the boy scouts of america. The reason why this group has relevance in my life is just because of these things. The only requirement for membership is to choose to be a member. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone wants to offer a place of have an installfest, GREAT!. As long as I don't have to sign an NDA or pay for the priviledge, I will most likely attend and share what I know with others. BTW, I am very much holding my tongue on this issue. If I still feel the same energy on this topic after some more thought on the matter, I will certainly share it with the list. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020911/13f9e0d3/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 11 18:25:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux Message-ID: I don't like people whining and complaining for little or no reason. If you can't "correct" someone diplomatically, then please, keep it to yourself. Bad communication is worse than no communication. >>> poptix@techmonkeys.org 09/11/02 04:29PM >>> I don't like people spreading bad information, if you can't give a decent explanation of something, then please, keep it to yourself. Bad information is worse than no information. From john4293 at umn.edu Wed Sep 11 21:17:46 2002 From: john4293 at umn.edu (john4293) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux Message-ID: <200209110502.g8B52Ia24505@amazon.software.umn.edu> On 10 Sep 2002, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I have partioned my hard disk and have made my system dual boot with Win > Xp in one partion and RH 7.3 in another. I would like to read XP partition > from linux. I tried adding an entry in /etc/fstab with hpfs as the > filesystem type and it didnt work. Is there a way to read the Win XP > partion. > Thanks for the help in advance. > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Sreekumar, I believe you're confusing hpfs with ntfs. ntfs is the default fs that XP uses and as far as i know the only other option is fat32. try changing your fstab entry to ntfs or try mounting the partition directly using 'mount -t ntfs and you should be in business. also, ntfs and linux don't always get along so you'll want to make sure the partition mounts in read-only mode. Peace out, Thomas Johnson john4293@tc.umn.edu 763.458.9071 (cell) From mj at jentges.net Wed Sep 11 21:20:35 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? Message-ID: > > Anyone else have similar feelings? > > i disagree, first of all at this point we are are straped for > places to > hold installfests at, we should not eliminate a place because > it does not > meet our educational standard We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other immediate offers. Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether bla bla bla.... I'll try not to embarrass you at the next install fest. As far as 'professional' goes, like the fortune says. "Ok, so you're a PHD. Just don't touch anything." Frankly, this is the most arrogant thing I've ever read on this list. -mj From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Sep 11 22:13:41 2002 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <20020911014238.H32447@techmonkeys.org> References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <20020911014238.H32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200209112151.38764.dutchman_mn@charter.net> On Wednesday 11 September 2002 01:42 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > There are a few steps you should try, first of all, you might want to > download memtest86, an open source memory tester, and test your system > memory. Also, most BIOS nowdays have the ability to show you the CPU and > system temperature, while it will be a little lower than actual running > temps, it will be a decent indicator of what the temperature was > > (Your 1.4ghz Athlon shouldn't be any higher than 140F, below 130F is a good > temperature, mine hovers at 118F in a cool room under light load) > > you can also try lm_sensors in linux, which will read the temperature from > the onboard sensors for you. > > You should also try removing all non essential components from the system > while testing, putting them back in one-by-one (including extra sticks > of RAM) Did the memtest86. Everything was fine. I replaced three 256 MB sticks with one 512 MB stick for now lm_sensors shows: via686a-isa-6000 Adapter: ISA adapter Algorithm: ISA algorithm CPU core: +1.73 V (min = +1.79 V, max = +2.18 V) ALARM +2.5V: +0.33 V (min = +2.24 V, max = +2.54 V) ALARM I/O: +3.36 V (min = +3.03 V, max = +3.36 V) +5V: +4.89 V (min = +4.60 V, max = +5.07 V) +12V: +11.57 V (min = +11.03 V, max = +12.16 V) CPU Fan: 5192 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) P/S Fan: 6818 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) SYS Temp: +30.6?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) CPU Temp: +55.1?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) SBr Temp: +25.9?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) Now this was just after boot up. Normally, the CPU with run at right at 60 degrees C after it has been up for a while. All my fans are running (including both CPU and Video). I have one blowing in at the bottom and two sucking air from the top. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Sep 11 22:32:05 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dunnwoody guy? References: Message-ID: <3D800803.903F43CF@mailandnews.com> Mike Jentges wrote: > > > Anyone else have similar feelings? > > > > i disagree, first of all at this point we are are straped for > > places to > > hold installfests at, we should not eliminate a place because > > it does not > > meet our educational standard > > We are NOT strapped: we just haven't tried much and now are ignoring other > immediate offers. > > Wrong ideas about "educational standards": some of the issues are whether > > bla bla bla.... I'll try not to embarrass you at the next install fest. As far as 'professional' goes, like the fortune says. > > "Ok, so you're a PHD. Just don't touch anything." > > Frankly, this is the most arrogant thing I've ever read on this list. > > -mj > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list So is saying that PhD's are useless. From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Sep 11 22:34:35 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <20020911014238.H32447@techmonkeys.org> <200209112151.38764.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D80094C.471A818B@mailandnews.com> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > On Wednesday 11 September 2002 01:42 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > There are a few steps you should try, first of all, you might want to > > download memtest86, an open source memory tester, and test your system > > memory. Also, most BIOS nowdays have the ability to show you the CPU and > > system temperature, while it will be a little lower than actual running > > temps, it will be a decent indicator of what the temperature was > > > > (Your 1.4ghz Athlon shouldn't be any higher than 140F, below 130F is a good > > temperature, mine hovers at 118F in a cool room under light load) > > > > you can also try lm_sensors in linux, which will read the temperature from > > the onboard sensors for you. > > > > You should also try removing all non essential components from the system > > while testing, putting them back in one-by-one (including extra sticks > > of RAM) > > Did the memtest86. Everything was fine. I replaced three 256 MB sticks with > one 512 MB stick for now > > lm_sensors shows: > > via686a-isa-6000 > Adapter: ISA adapter > Algorithm: ISA algorithm > CPU core: +1.73 V (min = +1.79 V, max = +2.18 V) ALARM > +2.5V: +0.33 V (min = +2.24 V, max = +2.54 V) ALARM ^^^^^^^^^^ > > I/O: +3.36 V (min = +3.03 V, max = +3.36 V) > +5V: +4.89 V (min = +4.60 V, max = +5.07 V) > +12V: +11.57 V (min = +11.03 V, max = +12.16 V) > CPU Fan: 5192 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) > P/S Fan: 6818 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) > SYS Temp: +30.6?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) > CPU Temp: +55.1?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) > SBr Temp: +25.9?C (limit = +60?C, hysteresis = +50?C) > > Now this was just after boot up. Normally, the CPU with run at right at 60 > degrees C after it has been up for a while. > > All my fans are running (including both CPU and Video). I have one blowing in > at the bottom and two sucking air from the top. I don't know much about this, but maybe a power problem? --Nathan Davis From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Sep 11 23:11:59 2002 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <3D80094C.471A818B@mailandnews.com> References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <200209112151.38764.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <3D80094C.471A818B@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <200209112252.17044.dutchman_mn@charter.net> On Wednesday 11 September 2002 10:26 pm, Nathan Davis wrote: > > > > lm_sensors shows: > > > > via686a-isa-6000 > > Adapter: ISA adapter > > Algorithm: ISA algorithm > > CPU core: +1.73 V (min = +1.79 V, max = +2.18 V) ALARM > > +2.5V: +0.33 V (min = +2.24 V, max = +2.54 V) ALARM > I thought about that. The problem is: I don't know what it should be. According to the lm_sensors FAQ - it all depends on what you have set in your sensors.conf file. It is an AOpen FSP300. Can anybody with more knowledge about power supplies say whether this is a concern? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 11 23:21:33 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [OT] stupid holy war (was: Re: [TCLUG] Reading Windows XP partition from Linux) In-Reply-To: <20020911162916.Q32447@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I don't like people spreading bad information, if you can't give a decent explanation > of something, then please, keep it to yourself. Bad information is worse than no > information. Will do. (And just remember that you cursed yourself to a lengthy flamewar on hypocrisy if you *ever* give out bad information.) > > If that would take less than 15 minutes (slow CD-ROM on the install), > > sure. If not, it's just wasting time. But that still assumes that I'd > > want 7.3 on that machine. How hard is this for you to understand? > > Mandrake takes 15 minutes just to get into the installer and past the > installation questions. Like I said, I don't care what distribution/version > of a distribution you use, but don't bitch and whine when you're running an old > one and *gasp* it isn't being kept *UP TO DATE WITH THE NEWEST SOFTWARE*, > (including the kernel, with the NTFS fixes) exactly what you've been saying > you don't want. If you want your "stable" version of redhat, continue using > 7.2, do not complain that the latest 7.2 has a broken ntfs module. if you > want a redhat kernel, without a broken ntfs module, upgrade to 7.3. It doesn't take 15 minutes if you use most of the defaults and make a minimal system. I was going for speed, not a quality, long-lasting installation. I just needed to get to the data. Just for beer & skittles, I tried "apt-get dist-upgrade"ing a box from 7.2 to 7.3. When I left the office, it was at 30 minutes, and not done. Not a quick fix, I guess. You've yet to point out my bitching/whining/complaining on the subject. I stand by my (poorly worded) warning. I keep my machines upgraded within their release. > you can of course, always compile your own kernel, but that would require > upgrading to newer (potentially unstable!) kernels. Oh, yeah, I love kernels that corrupt my filesystems when I do something stupid, like unmount them. > "stable, reliable servers", you mean the ones you're rebooting to drop an > NTFS hard drive into for data recovery? RedHat 7.2 is no more stable than > 7.3, you've complained about all sorts of things in 7.3 regarding stability > but never given a real example. I never claimed I tried to mount the NTFS drive in a server. As previously stated, that was a development machine, my RedHat 7.2 RPM build host. It'd be fairly useless as such if it were running 7.3, then, wouldn't it? I admit, 7.3 left a very sour taste in my mouth initially, when it hard locked a machine which has been *extremely* reliable running anything else. (Okay, it had some stability issues when it ran NT 4.0, but those days are far behind us.) I didn't have time to deal with that, so I just reinstalled 7.2 and was done with it. > > When have I bitched about RedHat? When have I whined? When have I > > complained? I don't think you want to start flinging mud around. All I > > did was voice a (poorly worded) warning meant to save people time, > > frustration, and confusion. I'll remember to keep my mouth shut in the > > future, lest I anger people. > > The url was fine, unfortunately the person who wrote it is also biased. Yes, I realize this. Again, you're ignoring my request for elaboration. Why is this? > > This has the feel of a fight picked merely for the fun in fighting. Big > > surprise. > > You /were/ the one asking to be flamed, besides, it's better than the stupid > troll vo-tech thread =) When was I asking to be flamed? I must have missed typing that. You've got to learn that not every imperfection is an invitation for a lengthy argument. Tend to make a lot less enemies that way. And yeah, I guess I'm not sharp enough to realize I'm being talked down to on the other thread; I went to a technical college for two years. Jima From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 11 23:36:52 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209112252.17044.dutchman_mn@charter.net>; from dutchman_mn@charter.net on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 10:52:17PM -0500 References: <200209102212.11672.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <200209112151.38764.dutchman_mn@charter.net> <3D80094C.471A818B@mailandnews.com> <200209112252.17044.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <20020911232511.T32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 10:52:17PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > On Wednesday 11 September 2002 10:26 pm, Nathan Davis wrote: > > > > > > lm_sensors shows: > > > > > > via686a-isa-6000 > > > Adapter: ISA adapter > > > Algorithm: ISA algorithm > > > CPU core: +1.73 V (min = +1.79 V, max = +2.18 V) ALARM > > > +2.5V: +0.33 V (min = +2.24 V, max = +2.54 V) ALARM > > > > I thought about that. The problem is: I don't know what it should be. > According to the lm_sensors FAQ - it all depends on what you have set in your > sensors.conf file. It is an AOpen FSP300. Can anybody with more knowledge > about power supplies say whether this is a concern? You generally have to tweak those with the right conf, the conf for your motherboard is here: chip "via686a-*" label "2.0V" "Vcore" # The same labels as my motherboard's bios label "2.5V" "+2.5V" ignore "2.5V" # label "3.3V" label "5.0V" "5V" label "12V" "12V" label fan1 "CPU Fan" label fan2 "PWR Fan" label temp1 "SYS Temp" label temp2 "CPU Temp" label temp3 "SBr Temp" ignore temp3 set in0_min 1.6 # I have an Athlon Thunderbird: 1.75 V core. set in0_max 2.0 compute "2.0V" 1.0400*@ , @/1.0400 # Vcore compute "3.3V" 1.0200*@ , @/1.0200 # 3.3V compute "5.0V" 1.0200*@ , @/1.0200 # 5V compute "12V" 1.0320*@ , @/1.0320 # 12V compute "fan1" 0.9708*@ , @/0.9708 # CPU Fan compute "fan2" 0.9708*@ , @/0.9708 # PWR Fan compute "temp1" 0.9398*@ , @/0.9398 # SYS Temp compute "temp2" 0.9524*@ , @/0.9524 # CPU Temp drop it into /etc/sensors.conf, make sure there's nothing in there to conflict with these settings. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 02:06:26 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020911064856.B19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00db01c25a25$df0f0af0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > I never said anything about a permanent location. And next, > DUDE, expand your > mind. Vo-tech = uneducated. Sheesh, nice stereo-type. Have a > little professional > curtesy huh? You are right: I used too few words to express my real respect and clarify where my reservations or hot buttons really are. I apologize to any students, but have issues with admin at state and county levels: a) During the big downsizings of c1990, "dislocated worker" programs for hi-tech professionals (at/in/for vo-techs) told us 1) "we didn't deserve to have the salaries we had" 2) "you should feel lucky if you can find another job at even 1/2 your previous salary" 3) "spend your allocations with us so that can become true" b) Some people in the professional community had vo-tech faculty positions and blocked accreditation/licensure programs which would enable students and professionals to acquire some key post baccalaureate skills. The political power of this is awful. It's about the same today. c) we formed our own non-profit activities and typically achieved more than 12% increase over previous salaries. The state vo-tech admins get nearly 100% of the dislocated worker funds, and produce 0% of the professional result (as in PE, etc). Roughly 80% of these funds they get goes to "overhead" and not to program content. I mean to be very respectful of non-degreed technical troops, but to differentiate that there usually are different career paths involved. I have several life-long friends who were my technical support team players when we were doing lasers in the jungle and such with embedded computers. These different people usually work well together and make good teams. There's often a lot of overlap in the functions. I don't mean to praise universities either: we make our own curriculae in whatever path we take if we're reasonably motivated and "it's fun". The institution itself doesn't make the person or a career, but either type can be limiting or underwhelming or maybe inspiring and enabling. --- Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 02:07:52 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you know when your MB is bad? In-Reply-To: <200209112252.17044.dutchman_mn@charter.net> Message-ID: <00d901c25a1c$3cb03440$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra > Can anybody with more knowledge > about power supplies say whether this is a concern? Yes: the issue isn't power supply "bad" as much as its setting. That 4.60 volts is worrisome because very many "commercial grade" ICs are only specified to run from 4.75 to 5.25 volts, a +/- 5% tolerance. Some do better, but some technologies do not, and one usually must pay extra to get parts for "industrial grade" or "mil spec" that have the =/- 10% tolerance of 4.5 to 5.5 operating range. The 12 volt things are less critical. I'm not sure what tolerances the low voltages may have. This can be a confusing thing because the accuracy tolerance on many meters used to read power supplies is not good enough to tell whether the +5 is actually in range. Might be a good idea to just remove and reseat the power connectors a few times to rub off the oxides that may form there. That might be enough to improve things. Be careful: I doubt that your power supply has an adjustment to correct even a minor deviation and an incorrect setting might fry something. Try removing any excess cards to lighten the load as a test. The power supply isn't "obviously bad", however. Note: it's worrisome but not an obvious problem unless a good DVM shows that 5 volts is too low at various points on the board and a borrowed supply fixes all. I think a "soft failure" like this is uncommon. Good luck! Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 02:18:15 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00da01c25a1f$220a46a0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > > i disagree, first of all at this point we are are straped for > places to > hold installfests at, I made three calls and got three acceptances to host InstallFests. One was hi-tech industrial, another was a multi-site offer in an ISD, and the third was a St Thomas professor. The hi-tech one has some complicating issues to address, but "it could happen". FYI, the problem at St Thomas is space utilization: the best times for them when classes are not in session - namely January or August. I left things open after doing the basic "sanity test" whether this is hard or not. I recall seeing three or more offers when this came up earlier, but the others must not have panned out. We are NOT strapped, except by ourselves. --- Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 05:13:35 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c25a2e$7c3eef90$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > And some may not care at all. I hope tclug never seeks to get > direct business > sponsorship. It's a community of users, for the users, by the > users. "Angel" > sponsorship (much like Angel investors) of tclug is always welcome. Huh? All I meant is something like "angelic acts" of donation, not "ownership" or whatever you mean. "Sponsor" normally just means that a corporate entity donates money and gets name recognition plus a little favoritism, no more (cf Webster's). Most corporations either cannot or will not give money or accept risks with a non-entity as many people seem to want TCLUG to remain. Random donations may occur, but (for example) getting insurance for public events is hard and finding companies to donate for those payments is harder. A minor accident at an Installfest could become a significant liability incident. As is, TCLUG can't handle money without getting in trouble - if caught. Remaining "just a mailing list" is the easy way out. I'm not trying to be negative or critical overall or I wouldn't be here. By making some short and sharp comments, we have a good view of where opinions really lie... much like giving a transient stimulus to an electronic network, and that is a way to see the characteristics or its transfer function. Maybe everyone else knew all this, but we don't have a FAQ to explain whether we are going.. Developing a mission or basic definition of an organization won't be easy if it's put to general vote. Perhaps that means you and/or Realtime are the defacto responsible parties for now. Whatever.. Regards, Chuck From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Sep 12 10:40:47 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan@sodatrain.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using a real cert with courier-imap Message-ID: <33037.63.252.160.218.1031844419.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com> Hi gang- Ive been running my imap-s server for a while with a self signed cert. (using the mkimapcert script from courier-imap.) Im switching my users over to imap-s and they are gonna be wierded out by the security warning messages about it not being a valid cert. My question is this: Has anyone any experiece with using a vaild x.509 cert for imap-s with courier-imap? The readme talks about how you need a vaild one to make thoes go away, but nothing about how to generate a cert that courier-imap wants (with the correct pieces coming from a CA). [an x.509 cert is the same thing as an ssl cert from verisign|tucows|whomever, right?] btw, the format of the imapd.pem that i currently have/use is -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY------ asdflkajsr21f23-09falskjvcas09ejcvw -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-------- -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE --------- afj ;ls98faw90eeeeeeeeeejlk;avcngs8 -----END CERTIFICATE ----------- -----Begin DH PARAMETERS-------- jalskdfas8887vy23u2n3lLKjcv8wu90823j -----END DH PARAMETERS---------- so, im used to ssl certs to use with apache, and this one is different. esp. the HD parameters. thanks. From austad at signal15.com Thu Sep 12 12:19:06 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ok Message-ID: <3D80C81E.1060103@signal15.com> Damn, I leave you guys alone for 10 minutes, and all hell breaks loose. Now go sit in your corners! :) From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 12 12:19:35 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using a real cert with courier-imap In-Reply-To: <33037.63.252.160.218.1031844419.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, duncan@sodatrain.com wrote: > Ive been running my imap-s server for a while with a self signed cert. > (using the mkimapcert script from courier-imap.) Im switching my > users over to imap-s and they are gonna be wierded out by the security > warning messages about it not being a valid cert. > > My question is this: Has anyone any experiece with using a vaild x.509 > cert for imap-s with courier-imap? The readme talks about how you need > a vaild one to make thoes go away, but nothing about how to generate a > cert that courier-imap wants (with the correct pieces coming from a > CA). [an x.509 cert is the same thing as an ssl cert from > verisign|tucows|whomever, right?] yeah, a standard ssl cert works fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 12 13:02:16 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <00dd01c25a2e$7c3eef90$6b01a8c0@HPZT> References: <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> <00dd01c25a2e$7c3eef90$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 02:29:40AM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > >I'm not trying to be negative or critical overall or I wouldn't be here. By >making some short and sharp comments, we have a good view of where opinions >really lie... much like giving a transient stimulus to an electronic >network, and that is a way to see the characteristics or its transfer >function. Maybe everyone else knew all this, but we don't have a FAQ to >explain whether we are going.. Developing a mission or basic definition of >an organization won't be easy if it's put to general vote. Perhaps that >means you and/or Realtime are the defacto responsible parties for now. >Whatever.. Whatever....????? If you are unhappy with the structure of the TCLUG that is your problem and I suggest you deal with it. I for one like the TCLUG and respect it for what it is. The software is freely (as in free b33r) available for you to start your own web/mail/whatever group. I don't think the TCLUG is looking for any sponsorship that requires any "special treatment". I thank Real-Time for all the time and effort and bandwidth they have so graciously provide this LUG over the years. I give respect to the RTE folks because they have made a positive contribution to the community without asking/mandating so called "special treatment". /me lets his tongue loose a tiny bit. > > >Regards, > >Chuck > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads in the sand. --- Chuck From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 12 14:38:32 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com>; from spencer@autonomous.tv on Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 12:35:29PM -0500 References: <20020911070221.C19856@real-time.com> <00dd01c25a2e$7c3eef90$6b01a8c0@HPZT> <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <20020912134056.E30318@sherohman.org> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 12:35:29PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 02:29:40AM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > >I'm not trying to be negative or critical overall or I wouldn't be here. By > >making some short and sharp comments, we have a good view of where opinions > >really lie... > Whatever....????? I think that translates as "I figured I'd come in and say a few things that are sure to piss people off just so I can see how they react, but I didn't really mean it." -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Sep 12 15:35:29 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just curious Message-ID: <1031861536.17537.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Is there anything on Linux to address USB 2.0 hardware? (sf project, kernel updates, driver modules, etc...) More specifically USB 2.0 PCMCIA cards. I'm looking at getting a docking station for the laptop, my laptop is barely supported so I'm guessing the docking station is not supported, that and docking station=$$$$. So since what I *really* need is storage, a USB 2.0 drive would be much cheaper, just not so sure on support for it. Any help would be cool, (pointing me to the right mailing list would be perfect) Mega thanks in advance as always :) Chris Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020912/b42ec0df/attachment.html From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 12 16:19:27 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <000901c25a8a$2b78a9f0$6401a8c0@HPZT> References: <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com> <000901c25a8a$2b78a9f0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> If you are unhappy with the structure of the TCLUG that is >> your problem >> and I suggest you deal with it. I for one like the TCLUG and respect >> it for what it is. > >I think you are missing the obvious. TCLUG has no statement of scope or >being in legal terms, and that probably means that it's Bob's thing and his >legal liability as well as his good works that help promote his business. I >very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather >not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow >and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions >others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a >statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they >probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or >when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. >These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads >in the sand. > >--- >Chuck Alright, let me pull my head out momentarily... You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of the TCLUG, correct? Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply disagree with it. To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp this concept. The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO 1) survival 2) community support 3) 4) see 1 If you would like to write up a nice FAQ and Rule list and Hierachy of leaders and so on and so forth, please do. You can submit it to the list for consensus. I wish you luck in your endeavors. I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable adversary. hmmmmm. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TCLUG has no statement of scope or > >being in legal terms, and that probably means that it's Bob's thing and his > >legal liability as well as his good works that help promote his business. I > >very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather > >not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow > >and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions > >others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a > >statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they > >probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or > >when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. > >These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads > >in the sand. > > > >--- > >Chuck > Alright, let me pull my head out momentarily... > > You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of the TCLUG, > correct? Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] > Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply > disagree with it. > > To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible > person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of > why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, > the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp > this concept. The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO > Morals? > > 1) survival > 2) community support > 3) > 4) see 1 > > If you would like to write up a nice FAQ and Rule list and Hierachy of > leaders and so on and so forth, please do. You can submit it to the > list for consensus. I wish you luck in your endeavors. > > I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable > adversary. hmmmmm. > > -- > --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- > http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature Your statement is nice. However, how do you know it reflects the groups' feelings? --Nathan Davis From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 17:40:11 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <001a01c25aaa$bb0eba80$6401a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: Sorry to be the messenger, but you don't seem to know the facts of life about public groups. Many don't. I don't disagree with your goals for simplicity, and have no interest in the stuffy things myself. However, I put up with them when necessary. I'm not going to quit eating just because I don't like TP. > You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of > the TCLUG, > correct? No: that's a legal and insurance requirement. State and Fed laws affect this. The not-for-profit corporation becomes the "someone" in order to remove responsibility from individuals. There's a bit more to it, and maybe a few options, but that's the short version. > Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] > Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply > disagree with it. There are many supportive things that cannot be done if involvement means taking risk of being sued. I don't think you have a clue of understanding, but I share your opinions that it's a nuisance to deal with this stuff. > To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible > person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the > morals of > why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is > in charge, > the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe > you grasp > this concept. Sorry, but you're the one without a clue if you believe that: 1) satisfying state, fed, and insurance criteria hurts survival of an organization, or 2) that having a defined means of governance means "a responsible person" is one person or a human. I fully agree with helping folks, etc. Note that the major or lasting groups that do "good works" are actually not-for-profit corporations. This is not the forum to address these learning issues, and I'll leave it to the herd to deal with survival as they see fit. I'll try to ignore any other comments on the topic of organization and post no more myself. I think I agree with all your goals, but not the method of ignoring what it takes to do it. Regards, Chuck From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 12 17:56:02 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, SpencerUnderground wrote: > I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable > adversary. hmmmmm. and i was starting to enjoy the warmth... Munir Nassar From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Sep 12 17:56:52 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff Message-ID: Come on now Spence. It don't work that way and you know it. :-) As if you didn't TRY to do that. sim > I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an > admirable adversary. hmmmmm. From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 12 18:05:26 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <3D810E19.B8A71BEA@mailandnews.com> References: <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com> <000901c25a8a$2b78a9f0$6401a8c0@HPZT> <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> <3D810E19.B8A71BEA@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <20020912223207.GF30526@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 04:58:49PM -0500, Nathan Davis wrote: >SpencerUnderground wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> > >> >> If you are unhappy with the structure of the TCLUG that is >> >> your problem >> >> and I suggest you deal with it. I for one like the TCLUG and respect >> >> it for what it is. >> > >> >I think you are missing the obvious. TCLUG has no statement of scope or >> >being in legal terms, and that probably means that it's Bob's thing and his >> >legal liability as well as his good works that help promote his business. I >> >very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather >> >not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow >> >and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions >> >others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a >> >statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they >> >probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or >> >when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. >> >These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads >> >in the sand. >> > >> >--- >> >Chuck >> Alright, let me pull my head out momentarily... >> >> You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of the TCLUG, >> correct? Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] >> Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply >> disagree with it. >> >> To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible >> person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of >> why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, >> the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp >> this concept. The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO >> > >Morals? > > >> >> 1) survival >> 2) community support >> 3) >> 4) see 1 >> >> If you would like to write up a nice FAQ and Rule list and Hierachy of >> leaders and so on and so forth, please do. You can submit it to the >> list for consensus. I wish you luck in your endeavors. >> >> I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable >> adversary. hmmmmm. >> >> -- >> --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- >> http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv >> Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > >Your statement is nice. However, how do you know it reflects the groups' >feelings? "The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO" IMHO == In my humble opinion. > >--Nathan Davis -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've gone through the installation of RedHat 7.2, I've installed the JDK and James. I've gone through the build (and killed sendmail) and can run James although it's not configured completely yet. The trouble I'm running into is with the network I've created. I ping, I SSH, but I can't telnet or FTP (not that I really need to telnet, but it's more this sinking feeling that I'm not doing something correctly). I'd really like help with two points: 1- Configuring my DNS servers correctly. 2- More generally, things to watch out for running my private network (like what dragons lie in wait for me once I start trying to throw emails around?). I've been working on this for a while now, and the trouble I've run into (repeatedly) with internet howto's and mail list archives is that they're either talking about a different distribution or a different software package than I'm using (or both). Is anyone available with some experience configuring DNS and Email servers that I can send a few questions to??? (I'm on the James mailing list, so the questions would be specific to DNS and networks) (This would be tomorrow, I've reached my threshold of frustration for today) ;) Thanks, Jeff PS- Oh, and a couple more newbie questions?: -I burned two ISOs, one Mandrake and one Debian. I was under the impression that they'd start installing when I rebooted. They didn't. Can I change the BIOS like I would under Windows so that it would run from CDROM when I reboot? -I created a Mandrake boot disk, started it up, and it wouldn't recognize the Mandrake ISO in the CDROM. The question is: How do I install Linux from an ISO??? From davisn at mailandnews.com Thu Sep 12 19:02:54 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff References: <20020912173529.GA29989@tcopensys.com> <000901c25a8a$2b78a9f0$6401a8c0@HPZT> <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> <3D810E19.B8A71BEA@mailandnews.com> <20020912223207.GF30526@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <3D8125F7.CF4E9ED6@mailandnews.com> SpencerUnderground wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 04:58:49PM -0500, Nathan Davis wrote: > >SpencerUnderground wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> > > >> >> If you are unhappy with the structure of the TCLUG that is > >> >> your problem > >> >> and I suggest you deal with it. I for one like the TCLUG and respect > >> >> it for what it is. > >> > > >> >I think you are missing the obvious. TCLUG has no statement of scope or > >> >being in legal terms, and that probably means that it's Bob's thing and his > >> >legal liability as well as his good works that help promote his business. I > >> >very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather > >> >not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow > >> >and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions > >> >others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a > >> >statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they > >> >probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or > >> >when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. > >> >These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads > >> >in the sand. > >> > > >> >--- > >> >Chuck > >> Alright, let me pull my head out momentarily... > >> > >> You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of the TCLUG, > >> correct? Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] > >> Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply > >> disagree with it. > >> > >> To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible > >> person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of > >> why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, > >> the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp > >> this concept. The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO > >> > > > >Morals? > > > > > >> > >> 1) survival > >> 2) community support > >> 3) > >> 4) see 1 > >> > >> If you would like to write up a nice FAQ and Rule list and Hierachy of > >> leaders and so on and so forth, please do. You can submit it to the > >> list for consensus. I wish you luck in your endeavors. > >> > >> I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable > >> adversary. hmmmmm. > >> > >> -- > >> --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- > >> http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv > >> Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > >Your statement is nice. However, how do you know it reflects the groups' > >feelings? > "The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO" > IMHO == In my humble opinion. > > > >--Nathan Davis > > -- > --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- > http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature >> To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible >> person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of >> why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, >> the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp >> this concept. No IMHO From mj at jentges.net Thu Sep 12 19:25:35 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dunnwoody guy? Message-ID: Speaking of the U, does anyone know what/why happened to their IRC server? Was a little lagged, but always there. Rather handy. mj -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 12 20:04:24 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN's IRC server and mail funkiness (was: Re: Dunnwoody guy?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031878335.1973.8.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 18:29, Mike Jentges wrote: > Speaking of the U, does anyone know what/why happened to their IRC > server? Was a little lagged, but always there. Rather handy. I got a message saying that it was down due to "hardware problems" it should be back up now. Apologies if this question was already addressed.. I started playing around with Gentoo last night, and the funky default mailer configuration caused me to lose some mail. The configurations I went through might have also caused some folks to get bounce messages from my computer, so sorry about that if it happened.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Spoon!" -- The Tick / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Jeff From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 12 22:25:17 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <3D8125F7.CF4E9ED6@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nathan Davis wrote: 90 lines of <, <<, <<<, <<<<, <<<<<'s (deleted) To which he follows up with: > No IMHO That's a 90:1 noise/signal ratio!!! that's painful, even for us high bandwidth folks. This flamewar has become so fascinating that I haven't said anything til now, but geez, TRIM YOUR POSTS for crying out loud!! -Brian From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Sep 12 22:55:14 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <20020912223207.GF30526@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <001f01c25ace$f4fbca20$6462a8c0@slick> Enough! Lets get back to the Linux folks. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 04:58:49PM -0500, Nathan Davis wrote: >SpencerUnderground wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> > >> >> If you are unhappy with the structure of the TCLUG that is >> >> your problem >> >> and I suggest you deal with it. I for one like the TCLUG and respect >> >> it for what it is. >> > >> >I think you are missing the obvious. TCLUG has no statement of scope or >> >being in legal terms, and that probably means that it's Bob's thing and his >> >legal liability as well as his good works that help promote his business. I >> >very much appreciate the efforts he and all others put in, and I'd rather >> >not see him barbequed if some accident occurs. I'd like the group to grow >> >and to include all sorts of interests. I'm just reacting to questions >> >others have asked already. If TCLUG is an organization, then we need a >> >statement of that. If Bob and RealTime are not responsible, then they >> >probably need to take some action to establish that. I don't care what or >> >when: I'm just identifying and asking about common things for public groups. >> >These choices may limit what help I can provide. Let's not hide our heads >> >in the sand. >> > >> >--- >> >Chuck >> Alright, let me pull my head out momentarily... >> >> You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of the TCLUG, >> correct? Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis] >> Organization. OK. I understand your point of view. I simply >> disagree with it. >> >> To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible >> person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the morals of >> why it has survived since inception. The point is not who is in charge, >> the point is how can I help my peers. I truely don't believe you grasp >> this concept. The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO >> > >Morals? > > >> >> 1) survival >> 2) community support >> 3) >> 4) see 1 >> >> If you would like to write up a nice FAQ and Rule list and Hierachy of >> leaders and so on and so forth, please do. You can submit it to the >> list for consensus. I wish you luck in your endeavors. >> >> I just wonder if Adolf Hilter would see the TCLUG as an admirable >> adversary. hmmmmm. >> >> -- >> --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- >> http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv >> Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > >Your statement is nice. However, how do you know it reflects the groups' >feelings? "The priorities of the TCLUG are IMHO" IMHO == In my humble opinion. > >--Nathan Davis -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 From davisn at mailandnews.com Fri Sep 13 03:19:25 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031891373.7423.34.camel@tc3-163.talkware.net> Well, okay, here's my point: 1) Mr. Cole states that the TCLUG has no statement of mission 2) Mr. Underground responds by what *he* thinks TCLUG is, which is either anarchic or democratic (he doesn't specify which). Mr. Underground does not refute the assertion that TCLUG has no mission. In fact, certain statements seem to indicate his agreement (i.e., he doesn't *want* a mission statement as he feels that the mere existence of such a thing inherently lends itself to a hierarchial structure -- Mr. Underground, feel free to correct my interpretation of your statements on this matter). 3) In the process of expressing his opinions, Mr. Underground made (slightly) veiled attacks on Mr. Cole. He also expessed that TCLUG has "morals". 4) I asked two questions in the hopes that Mr. Underground would think about what he was saying. How can a group that has no mission statement have morals? Was it even incepted? To what purpose? If the group is really "ruled" by its members, then shouldn't the members get together to decide on a mission? As to noise-to-signal ratio: 1) < does not imply noise 2) The correlation between signal strength (i.e., meaningfulness) and signal length (i.e., number of lines or character) is not 1. As to trimming: yes, I should have trimmed some of it. --Nathan Davis On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 21:38, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nathan Davis wrote: > > 90 lines of <, <<, <<<, <<<<, <<<<<'s (deleted) > > To which he follows up with: > > > No IMHO > > That's a 90:1 noise/signal ratio!!! that's painful, even for us high > bandwidth folks. This flamewar has become so fascinating that I haven't > said anything til now, but geez, TRIM YOUR POSTS for crying out loud!! > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 13 03:50:59 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just curious In-Reply-To: <1031861536.17537.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1031861536.17537.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020913044519.GD24610@8ball.wox.org> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 03:12:13PM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > Is there anything on Linux to address USB 2.0 hardware? (sf project, > kernel updates, driver modules, etc...) More specifically USB 2.0 > PCMCIA cards. I'm looking at getting a docking station for the laptop, > my laptop is barely supported so I'm guessing the docking station is not > supported, that and docking station=$$$$. So since what I *really* need > is storage, a USB 2.0 drive would be much cheaper, just not so sure on > support for it. > > Any help would be cool, (pointing me to the right mailing list would be > perfect) I don't know of the quality of the support, but USB 2.0 entered the kernel at about 2.4.19. From the kernel help, it seems that the best support is for the NEC controllers. As far as I can tell, you just have to enable EHCI, but I don't have any USB 2.0 peripherals to test with. -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020913/36ab361a/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Sep 13 06:38:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff Message-ID: What does TCLUG do now that puts the group at risk of a lawsuit? What sort of things can/should not be attempted by TCLUG without becoming a 'not-for-profit' organization? Isn't there a lengthy discussion of this topic in the TCLUG list archive? >>> cncole@earthlink.net 09/12/02 05:21PM >>> No: that's a legal and insurance requirement. State and Fed laws affect this. The not-for-profit corporation becomes the "someone" in order to remove responsibility from individuals. There's a bit more to it, and maybe a few options, but that's the short version. ... There are many supportive things that cannot be done if involvement means taking risk of being sued. ... Note that the major or lasting groups that do "good works" are actually not-for-profit corporations. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Sep 13 06:44:49 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff Message-ID: >>> davisn@mailandnews.com 09/12/02 11:29PM >>> >As to noise-to-signal ratio: >1) < does not imply noise In this case, yes, it does. We have already read the crap that came before. It also exists in the web archive. >2) The correlation between signal strength (i.e., meaningfulness) and >signal length (i.e., number of lines or character) is not 1. With those definitions of signal strength and length, perhaps not. But perhaps not everyone would agree with those definitions. >As to trimming: yes, I should have trimmed some of it. Yes, you should have. Do it next time, please. From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 13 07:13:47 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just curious In-Reply-To: <20020913044519.GD24610@8ball.wox.org> References: <1031861536.17537.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <20020913044519.GD24610@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020913115217.GA8103@isis.visi.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 11:45:19PM -0500, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > > I don't know of the quality of the support, but USB 2.0 entered the > kernel at about 2.4.19. From the kernel help, it seems that the best > support is for the NEC controllers. > > As far as I can tell, you just have to enable EHCI, but I don't have any > USB 2.0 peripherals to test with. See http://www.linux-usb.org/usb2.html for more details about USB 2.0 and Linux. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From wlayer at attbi.com Fri Sep 13 08:22:25 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Cheap ISA NIC desired, if not quite needed In-Reply-To: References: <200209081158.04130.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020913080336.28ce89bd.wlayer@attbi.com> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Glenn McDavid wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > > If anybody's got a surplus-to-needs one hanging around, that'd be > > great; please email me. MPC Electronics in Eagan has ISA 3com 3c509 NICs for $4.99 each. Good luck finding 100bT in an ISA NIC, they are not so common. 3Com made one, as did Intel. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Sep 13 09:42:24 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN's IRC server and mail funkiness (was: Re: Dunnwoody guy?) Message-ID: The IRC is down due to hardware problems, with no ETR. (http://www1.umn.edu/nts) -j >>> hick0088@tc.umn.edu 09/12/02 07:52PM >>> On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 18:29, Mike Jentges wrote: > Speaking of the U, does anyone know what/why happened to their IRC > server? Was a little lagged, but always there. Rather handy. I got a message saying that it was down due to "hardware problems" it should be back up now. Apologies if this question was already addressed.. I started playing around with Gentoo last night, and the funky default mailer configuration caused me to lose some mail. The configurations I went through might have also caused some folks to get bounce messages from my computer, so sorry about that if it happened.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Spoon!" -- The Tick / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020913/73049fae/attachment.htm From dmccreary at attbi.com Fri Sep 13 09:45:50 2002 From: dmccreary at attbi.com (Dan McCreary) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Looking for Speakers for Nov. 4th Open Source Conference at the University of Minnesota In-Reply-To: <20020910184958.GB10761@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: The University of Minnesota is trying to put together a seminar on Open Source software on November 4th at the Earl Brown Center in St. Paul. They are looking for local speakers to talk about various topics as well as present case studies. The audience will be CEOs, CIOs, CFOs and decision makers at most of the large companies in the Twin Cities. Although Nov. 4th is still a long way off, they would like to print description of the speakers presentations and to get in print they need the descriptions and bios by next Monday (Sept 16th), which is not a lot of notice. If you are willing to speak about a topic (Linux, Zope, Python, Community Wireless, Apache etc.) or a case study (like www.isd197.org or other successful local Open Source projects) please let Mike know. Anyone that can speak to the topic of reliability of Open Source software would be very much appreciated. If you would like to speak, just send Mike a reply with the following: 1) Your Name 2) Topic or Case Study Name 3) Short Description of Topic (1 paragraph) 4) A short bio (1 paragraph) Each session would be about 50 minutes with a few minutes at the end for questions. If we get a good turnout for this it will help encourage more Open Source classes at the U of M. Thanks for your help - Dan Dan McCreary e-Business Strategy Development home office: (651) 405-9034 cell: (612) 986-1552 e-mail: dmccreary@attbi.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Amidon [mailto:mamidon@cce.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:08 PM To: 'dmccreary@attbi.com' Subject: Open Source Seminar Dan- Thanks very much for offering to help find presenters for us regard open source technology. If we can get the presenter list completed by Monday, I believe we can pull off the Nov. 4 date. The idea for the seminar came from Allie Micka, one of our Open Source discussion group members. She saw it as an opportunity to educate the public about what open source tools can offer and how far they've come. This seminar would be targeted to CIOs, CEOs, CFOs and other non-technical purse-string controllers. The U of M's position is not to be anti-Microsoft, but rather to serve as a forum for discussion about viable alternative solutions. As I mentioned, the group is also working on a 40-hour course to help emerging businesses utilize open source tools in the office (Linux, file and print sharing, email, desktop apps.), plus an 80-hour course on how to create a Web presence using open source tools. We would want to mention these courses at this seminar. I am thinking of starting with a breakfast, say 7:30 AM. We would have a keynote address that would set the tone for the rest of the morning. After the keynote, we would introduce the breakout sessions/speakers. Attendees would be able to attend 2 sessions during the morning. I am guessing they would run from 9:00 - 10:15, to be repeated from 10:30 - 11:45. These sessions would be "case studies" of organizations who had successfully implemented open source technology. I would want a variety of typical business "problems" to be addressed by these presenters (e.g., firewalls, databases, e-commerce, file sharing) so that attendees can see the value of open source in general. In a separate area, such as a lobby, we could invite vendors who have developed commercial open source tools. Perhaps some big names such as Red Hat, Sun or IBM would be willing to attend. We could also have a side-by-side demonstration of MS Office and Star Office, with an appropriate price list for each. Mike Amidon Program Director Dept. of Information Technology College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota (612) 627-1813 mamidon@cce.umn.edu _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 13 12:33:15 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced Message-ID: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> Very interesting news, especially because the project is done for the German gov't. This aims to fully replace MS Exchange, and be compatible with any standards-compliant applications on any platform. http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103168388425502&w=2 http://www.kroupware.org/konzept-v1.0.html Looks like the client app will be based on Kmail, Korganizer, plus some other stuff, and the server will mostly be composed of existing products (LDAP via OpenLDAP, IMAP via Cyrus, SMTP via Postfix, etc.). -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IIRC, it was decided to not be worth the trouble, so nothing came of it. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 13 14:37:21 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced In-Reply-To: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 12:12:25PM -0500 References: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <20020913141532.B3162@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 12:12:25PM -0500, Dave Sherman (dsherman@real-time.com) wrote: > Very interesting news, especially because the project is done for the > German gov't. This aims to fully replace MS Exchange, and be compatible > with any standards-compliant applications on any platform. This will be an important win for Linux if it's done well. And, finally, we'll have an answer to the infamous question of how to replace Exchange with Linux. I'm very excited to see this new product. The name Kroupware, however, is kind of of bizarre. Makes me think of someone coughing up phlegm. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020913/b3b3e54a/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Sep 13 15:04:05 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced In-Reply-To: <20020913141532.B3162@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > This will be an important win for Linux if it's done well. And, finally, we'll have an answer to the infamous question of how to replace Exchange with Linux. > I'm very excited to see this new product. this should be very nice indeed, but can it function as a drop-in replacement for Exchange? > The name Kroupware, however, is kind of of bizarre. Makes me think of > someone coughing up phlegm. i am afraid that initial releases will be.... well, initial, and kroupware would then be krapware Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 13 15:09:42 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced In-Reply-To: <20020913141532.B3162@real-time.com> References: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> <20020913141532.B3162@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020913194933.GE17909@isis.visi.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:15:33PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > This will be an important win for Linux if it's done well. And, finally, we'll have an answer to the infamous question of how to replace Exchange with Linux. > I'm very excited to see this new product. > > The name Kroupware, however, is kind of of bizarre. Makes me think of > someone coughing up phlegm. I thought the exact same thing. I suspect the name will have to change. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Sep 13 15:10:09 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced Message-ID: <758a7afa05063807d2@[172.29.97.10]> > The name Kroupware, however, is kind of of bizarre. Makes me > think of > someone coughing up phlegm. It would be kool to have a komplete klient to server solution. Kan hardly kontain myself. IPC MCMXCVII-MMII From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 13 15:12:44 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced In-Reply-To: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> References: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <20020913190944.GE19846@sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 12:12:25PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: >Very interesting news, especially because the project is done for the >German gov't. This aims to fully replace MS Exchange, and be compatible >with any standards-compliant applications on any platform. > >http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103168388425502&w=2 >http://www.kroupware.org/konzept-v1.0.html My god.... The server components list is ungodly! It requires LDAP which is non-trivial to setup/maintain this doesn't really look to be a very manageable solution to me. Looks like a lot of moving parts and additional headache during upgrades etc. > >Looks like the client app will be based on Kmail, Korganizer, plus some >other stuff, and the server will mostly be composed of existing products >(LDAP via OpenLDAP, IMAP via Cyrus, SMTP via Postfix, etc.). > >-- >Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty >MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety > | deserve neither liberty nor safety." > | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this the sort of problem/machine it would be reasonable to bring to an Installfest? jr From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Sep 13 15:48:22 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak In-Reply-To: <20020910230413.N2123@real-time.com> References: <20020910230413.N2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200209131534.05245.joelr@ellegon.com> On Tuesday 10 September 2002 11:04 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since several people have reported root compromises on #tclug, I've added > chkrootkit to the greyhatpak. > Is there any particular reason why somebody should not be regularly running chkrootkit? Sounds like cheap insurance to me. -- Palestinian unemployment is so bad, [UN envoy Terje Roed-Larsen says,] that he's willing to risk Israeli lives to ease it.... Here's a hint, Terje, old boy: If you want to solve Palestinian unemployment, get them to stop blowing up their employers. -- Meryl Yourish (http://www.yourish.com) ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Sep 13 16:07:02 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced In-Reply-To: <20020913190944.GE19846@sistina.com> References: <1031937152.4445.5.camel@dedannshae> <20020913190944.GE19846@sistina.com> Message-ID: <1031949823.27861.4.camel@edith> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 14:09, Ben Lutgens wrote: > My god.... The server components list is ungodly! It requires LDAP which is > non-trivial to setup/maintain this doesn't really look to be a very > manageable solution to me. Looks like a lot of moving parts and additional > headache during upgrades etc. > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | I bet once it is semi-stable, people will change out some of the requirements and substitute other software in place of the elements that are difficult to use. The nice thing is that they are not trying to re-invent the wheel on many elements that exist already. I would bet some nice Debian folks would make a nice package out of this someday and make it just an: apt-get install kroupware-base followed by apt-get install krupware Don't ya think. That coupled with a set of default scripts and some type of Webmin module, and badda-bing, you have the pretty GUI all set. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 13 16:29:26 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <200209131532.40515.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> <001a01c25aaa$bb0eba80$6401a8c0@HPZT> <20020913140530.I8475@sherohman.org> <200209131532.40515.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <1031951378.19047.19.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 15:32, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > I've got a machine that seems to be running perfectly, except that I'm unable > to get any bits in or out across the NIC. (The NIC thinks it's sending bits > to the router; the router thinks it's sending bits to the NIC. Nothing's > travelling back on the wire, and yes, I've tried all the obvious things.) What do you mean? You can't ping from box to box? You're using a crossover cable, or have a hub in between? The output of ifconfig, route, and other tools looks okay? (you can post it here and let us take a look at it..) > Is this the sort of problem/machine it would be reasonable to bring to an > Installfest? Sure, assuming that the behavior of the router can be replicated appropriately (it's possible that it could appear to work fine at an installfest, but then still be broken at home). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I dream of Penguins. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This aims to fully replace MS Exchange, and be compatible > >with any standards-compliant applications on any platform. > > > >http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103168388425502&w=2 > >http://www.kroupware.org/konzept-v1.0.html > > My god.... The server components list is ungodly! It requires LDAP which is > non-trivial to setup/maintain this doesn't really look to be a very > manageable solution to me. Looks like a lot of moving parts and additional > headache during upgrades etc. > > >Looks like the client app will be based on Kmail, Korganizer, plus some > >other stuff, and the server will mostly be composed of existing products > >(LDAP via OpenLDAP, IMAP via Cyrus, SMTP via Postfix, etc.). Perhaps part of the package will be a "user-friendly" interface. Most of the compents listed can use LDAP for configuration, and with some tweaking, and a new app for the admin side, it should be rather nice. Dont know if the plans call for such an admin app but that would be very useful. Jay From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Sep 13 17:27:08 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <1031951378.19047.19.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> <200209131532.40515.joelr@ellegon.com> <1031951378.19047.19.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200209131714.09658.joelr@ellegon.com> On Friday 13 September 2002 04:09 pm, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 15:32, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > I've got a machine that seems to be running perfectly, except that I'm > > unable to get any bits in or out across the NIC. (The NIC thinks it's > > sending bits to the router; the router thinks it's sending bits to the > > NIC. Nothing's travelling back on the wire, and yes, I've tried all the > > obvious things.) > > What do you mean? You can't ping from box to box? You're using a > crossover cable, or have a hub in between? In order: yes, and I have a router in between, the hub having been recently fried. > > The output of ifconfig, route, and other tools looks okay? (you can post > it here and let us take a look at it..) Yup, alas. That was the first thing I looked at. The relevant configuration is identical with the other two -- working -- machines plugged in to the same router, save for the IP address. > > > Is this the sort of problem/machine it would be reasonable to bring to an > > Installfest? > > Sure, assuming that the behavior of the router can be replicated > appropriately (it's possible that it could appear to work fine at an > installfest, but then still be broken at home). Well, I think I know where I'm going to be, next Installfest... and yeah, I am, alas, aware of that latter possibility. -- The NEA says the lessons to be learned from the terrorist attacks are: "Appreciating and getting along with people of diverse backgrounds and cultures, the importance of anger management and global awareness." Let's see. Some seriously angry people murder almost 3,000 people in America and Americans need to work on managing their anger? -- George F. Will ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From mitc0185 at umn.edu Fri Sep 13 17:39:29 2002 From: mitc0185 at umn.edu (Erik K Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Open Source Groupware project announced Message-ID: <200209132142.g8DLg3W01472@klax.software.umn.edu> > > My god.... The server components list is ungodly! It requires LDAP which is > non-trivial to setup/maintain this doesn't really look to be a very > manageable solution to me. Looks like a lot of moving parts and additional > headache during upgrades etc.=20 Microsoft Active Directory is an LDAP implementation (or at least is LDAP compliant). I figure, considering licensing costs and platform options, any good admin wouldn't have a problem going for the Linux solution were it available. It would beat the alternative. EM From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Sep 13 17:51:05 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures Message-ID: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> I understand that we all have our affiliations, and I have no problem with mentioning them in sigs, but do we really need to make potentially offensive political statements in our sigs? When your sig trancends mere affiliation or affinity marking and goes into being offensive then you've crossed the line of list manner and good behaviour. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.f2o.org 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 13 18:10:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak In-Reply-To: <200209131534.05245.joelr@ellegon.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:34:05PM -0500 References: <20020910230413.N2123@real-time.com> <200209131534.05245.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020913171523.D25439@real-time.com> Quoting Joel Rosenberg (joelr@ellegon.com): > On Tuesday 10 September 2002 11:04 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Since several people have reported root compromises on #tclug, I've added > > chkrootkit to the greyhatpak. > > > > Is there any particular reason why somebody should not be regularly running > chkrootkit? Sounds like cheap insurance to me. > tripwire is a better solution for this. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Sep 13 18:18:17 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <1031891373.7423.34.camel@tc3-163.talkware.net> Message-ID: <003f01c25b78$dc2f84a0$6462a8c0@slick> Ok, why do we *NEED* a mission statement? Who is requiring us to have a mission statement? Oh how I long for the discussions about which VM to use in the Linux kernel..... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Davis Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff Well, okay, here's my point: 1) Mr. Cole states that the TCLUG has no statement of mission 2) Mr. Underground responds by what *he* thinks TCLUG is, which is either anarchic or democratic (he doesn't specify which). Mr. Underground does not refute the assertion that TCLUG has no mission. In fact, certain statements seem to indicate his agreement (i.e., he doesn't *want* a mission statement as he feels that the mere existence of such a thing inherently lends itself to a hierarchial structure -- Mr. Underground, feel free to correct my interpretation of your statements on this matter). 3) In the process of expressing his opinions, Mr. Underground made (slightly) veiled attacks on Mr. Cole. He also expessed that TCLUG has "morals". 4) I asked two questions in the hopes that Mr. Underground would think about what he was saying. How can a group that has no mission statement have morals? Was it even incepted? To what purpose? If the group is really "ruled" by its members, then shouldn't the members get together to decide on a mission? As to noise-to-signal ratio: 1) < does not imply noise 2) The correlation between signal strength (i.e., meaningfulness) and signal length (i.e., number of lines or character) is not 1. As to trimming: yes, I should have trimmed some of it. --Nathan Davis On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 21:38, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nathan Davis wrote: > > 90 lines of <, <<, <<<, <<<<, <<<<<'s (deleted) > > To which he follows up with: > > > No IMHO > > That's a 90:1 noise/signal ratio!!! that's painful, even for us high > bandwidth folks. This flamewar has become so fascinating that I haven't > said anything til now, but geez, TRIM YOUR POSTS for crying out loud!! > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 13 18:46:45 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures In-Reply-To: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 05:30:00PM -0500 References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020913183410.C32447@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 05:30:00PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: > I understand that we all have our affiliations, and I have no problem with > mentioning them in sigs, but do we really need to make potentially > offensive political statements in our sigs? > When your sig trancends mere affiliation or affinity marking and goes into > being offensive then you've crossed the line of list manner and good > behaviour. Various things are only offensive to certain people, if everyone held their tounge on anything that could be potentially offensive to anyone, it would be an awfully quiet planet. Personally, I didn't find the sig in question offensive. > Samir M. Nassar > RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net > SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.f2o.org > 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Sep 13 18:56:03 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures and procmail In-Reply-To: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <200209131837.59326.joelr@ellegon.com> On Friday 13 September 2002 05:30 pm, nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: > I understand that we all have our affiliations, and I have no problem with > mentioning them in sigs, but do we really need to make potentially > offensive political statements in our sigs? If either the consensus or the listmanager's ruling (or, of course, both) is that "potentially offensive political statements in ... sigs" is unacceptable on the TCLUG mailing list, I'm certainly willing to abide by that and unsubscribe, rather than get into a long or even a short discussion about what is and isn't offensive, politically, or otherwise; it's not my list, after all. Playing with sigrot to adjust for others' sensitivities actually sounds like a lot of fun, but I think it's beyond my limited skills. Failing that -- or even not failing that -- I'd prefer to discuss political issues, and offense taken to political comments in sigs, other than on this particular mailing list. YMMV. On a more linux-related note, it is fairly easy to use procmail to filter on From: lines. Somebody who was to add a recipe like :0: * ^From:.*joelr@ellegon.com /dev/null to their .procmailrc would never actually see a message from me, although that wouldn't prevent it from being seen by others. Just as an example. (Is the lockfile really necessary? I dunno.) Which doesn't, of course, deal with the problem of quoted messages. I'm sure that there's a fairly simple recipe that could send all messages containing, say, the string "thuggeeisareligionofdeath" to the bit-bin as well, although I don't know it off the top of my head. I know that spamblocker does filter on content, as well as headers, so there's probably an easy way to do it. jr -- So you know what, Saddam? Go ahead. Yep, you heard us right. That was the green light, just like the one you thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we mean it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take you what, three days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and the whole Saudi royal family. Have at it. Any dissent? We know you know how to handle it, just don't tell us about the details. Let Noam Chomsky worry about it. -- Claire Berlinksi, A Modest Proposal http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3881 ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Sep 13 18:56:22 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak In-Reply-To: <20020913171523.D25439@real-time.com> References: <20020910230413.N2123@real-time.com> <200209131534.05245.joelr@ellegon.com> <20020913171523.D25439@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200209131843.38330.joelr@ellegon.com> On Friday 13 September 2002 05:15 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Joel Rosenberg (joelr@ellegon.com): > > On Tuesday 10 September 2002 11:04 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Since several people have reported root compromises on #tclug, I've > > > added chkrootkit to the greyhatpak. > > > > Is there any particular reason why somebody should not be regularly > > running chkrootkit? Sounds like cheap insurance to me. > > tripwire is a better solution for this. At first blush, it looks like a terribly powerful package. The obvious problem I see -- for me -- comes from the FAQ: "the hard part is doing it the right way, balancing security, maintanence, and functionality". A quick glance at the docs suggests that administering it intelligently is something that may be beyond me. But worth a shot, I guess. -- To say the United States has an unusual relationship with Saudi Arabia is a pretty radical understatement. The country, as most of us have learned by now, has a quarter of the world's known oil reserves and three-quarters of the world's known Sept. 11 hijackers. -- Matt Welch ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From dante at plethora.net Fri Sep 13 19:01:55 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures In-Reply-To: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: > I understand that we all have our affiliations, and I have no problem with > mentioning them in sigs, but do we really need to make potentially > offensive political statements in our sigs? > When your sig trancends mere affiliation or affinity marking and goes into > being offensive then you've crossed the line of list manner and good > behaviour. > I'm willing to accept that people will have opinions (like the one above) that I consider offensive. I will also accept that I have opinions that others find offensive. Many, many offensive opinions here. You can express your offensive opinion as long as you don't try to stop me from expressing mine. OBOnTopic: Scott McNealy was right, Linux _is_ a bathtub of code. It is just a better bathtub than most of the rest of the garbage out there. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dante at plethora.net Fri Sep 13 19:02:19 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <003f01c25b78$dc2f84a0$6462a8c0@slick> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, BN wrote: > Ok, why do we *NEED* a mission statement? > So that we have an excuse to play "Mission Statement"? One of the local Klingons made it. If I can get hold of as copy I'll bring it to the nearest Meeting/BeerSIG I can hit. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Fri Sep 13 19:21:33 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks! Message-ID: <00cb01c25b83$4c6d7380$2c70d18c@OSS32729> Thanks guys for all the help! I have the DNS configured and running James perfectly! I'll start the dev next week, once I get the programmers together and on the same page. I'll post the results as things progress as some of you expressed interest. Great LUG, I wish I were still out there to take part in the meetings! Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020913/7b202111/attachment.html From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Fri Sep 13 19:41:04 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong Group Message-ID: <00fe01c25b85$33233ac0$2c70d18c@OSS32729> Oops, didn't mean to send that last one to you guys... That was directed at the LUG at UC Davis. In fact, TCLUG has been absolutely no help at all. You guys spend all your time arguing about ridiculous, trivial things. True colors shining through! Good luck, you'll need it. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020913/307d0fa4/attachment.htm From clarson at iaxs.net Fri Sep 13 20:04:03 2002 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Guy from Dunnwoody ? Message-ID: <200209140057.g8E0vOU16878@minerva.iaxs.net> From afar, Be a part of the solution, Not part of the problem Chester Larson From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Sep 13 21:13:02 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong Group In-Reply-To: <00fe01c25b85$33233ac0$2c70d18c@OSS32729> References: <00fe01c25b85$33233ac0$2c70d18c@OSS32729> Message-ID: <1031967910.28273.22.camel@edith> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 19:25, Hemminger, Jeffrey D. wrote: > Oops, didn't mean to send that last one to you guys... > That was directed at the LUG at UC Davis. > > In fact, TCLUG has been absolutely no help at all. You guys spend all your time arguing about ridiculous, trivial things. > True colors shining through! > > Good luck, you'll need it. > > Jeff Looked at the UC Davis list for your post, but could not find it, or any reply. I have never run James, but I would assume it had a readme that you had trouble with. If you could have been more specific than to say that you did not know how an MTA worked, I think someone could have posted something to help you out. I think your question was a little bit vague and did not actually ask a question, but rather asked for general knowledge about how an MTA worked (which is a bit broad for covering in an list.) Kelly Black KB0GBJ From davisn at mailandnews.com Fri Sep 13 21:16:40 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff In-Reply-To: <003f01c25b78$dc2f84a0$6462a8c0@slick> References: <003f01c25b78$dc2f84a0$6462a8c0@slick> Message-ID: <1031969216.1607.27.camel@tc3-163.talkware.net> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 17:56, BN wrote: > Ok, why do we *NEED* a mission statement? > We don't. Obviously the LUG has existed for quite some time without such a statement. However, until such a statement is drafted, it is pointless to discuss the purpose, or non-purpose, of the group (unless, of course, such discussion is directed toward the drafting of such a statement). Secondly, the drafting of a mission statement would lay to rest these kinds of debates. All one needs to do is point the "offender" to the mission statement and say something like "Thank you for your suggestion, but it doesn't really lie within the scope of the LUG's mission." End of story. > Who is requiring us to have a mission statement? > > Oh how I long for the discussions about which VM to use in the Linux > kernel..... > ??? A simple statement like "to help people learn about using and configuring linux" would qualify as a mission statement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Davis > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest stuff > > Well, okay, here's my point: > 1) Mr. Cole states that the TCLUG has no statement of mission > 2) Mr. Underground responds by what *he* thinks TCLUG is, which is > either anarchic or democratic (he doesn't specify which). Mr. > Underground does not refute the assertion that TCLUG has no mission. In > fact, certain statements seem to indicate his agreement (i.e., he > doesn't *want* a mission statement as he feels that the mere existence > of such a thing inherently lends itself to a hierarchial structure -- > Mr. Underground, feel free to correct my interpretation of your > statements on this matter). > 3) In the process of expressing his opinions, Mr. Underground made > (slightly) veiled attacks on Mr. Cole. He also expessed that TCLUG has > "morals". > 4) I asked two questions in the hopes that Mr. Underground would think > about what he was saying. How can a group that has no mission statement > have morals? Was it even incepted? To what purpose? If the group is > really "ruled" by its members, then shouldn't the members get together > to decide on a mission? From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Sep 13 21:57:08 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <3D82A038.F2CEBF5F@ppdonline.com> > Samir M. Nassar > 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' So, open minds huh? I guess that only applies if the thought in question parallels your belief structure. What a hypocrite, Ben. PS Stop the thought police, refuse to follow the PC nazis! From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 14 01:38:15 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New 3Ware controller and drives Message-ID: <20020914004053.C17640@real-time.com> Got new 3Ware controller and drives for gladitor. Pictures here: http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/gallery/gladiator?&page=3 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 14 02:07:40 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Long Routes Message-ID: <1031987009.19047.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> This isn't specifically Linux-related, but here goes.. I just changed over from using a Linksys router/firewall to a shiny new (hah) P133 with a few NICs in it, since the Linksys box was hiding some things and just not flexible enough to do others. Anyway, I'm wondering if I should have kept the box, since it was hiding something pretty ugly: [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.csom.umn.edu traceroute to liveweb.csom.umn.edu (160.94.119.32), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 10.38.176.1 (10.38.176.1) 52 ms 24 ms 77 ms 3 mplsmn01-rtr2-srp-2-0.mn.rr.com (24.26.162.2) 19 ms 23 ms 35 ms 4 mplsmn01-rtr1-srp-2-0.mn.rr.com (24.26.162.1) 13 ms 15 ms 12 ms 5 pop1-chi-P3-1.atdn.net (66.185.141.89) 34 ms 27 ms 70 ms 6 bb1-chi-P0-0.atdn.net (66.185.141.84) 31 ms 38 ms 27 ms 7 bb1-kcy-P7-0.atdn.net (66.185.154.2) 37 ms 60 ms 49 ms 8 bb2-kcy-P1-0.atdn.net (66.185.154.6) 49 ms 65 ms 83 ms 9 bb2-den-P7-0.atdn.net (66.185.153.249) 47 ms 50 ms 79 ms 10 bb1-den-P1-0.atdn.net (66.185.154.24) 52 ms 58 ms 46 ms 11 bb1-sun-P5-0.atdn.net (66.185.153.42) 131 ms 128 ms 84 ms 12 bb2-sun-P1-0.atdn.net (66.185.152.2) 98 ms 80 ms 111 ms 13 bb2-las-P7-0.atdn.net (66.185.152.45) 87 ms 89 ms 80 ms 14 pop2-las-P1-0.atdn.net (66.185.137.166) 85 ms 78 ms 86 ms 15 aol-gw.la2ca.ip.att.net (192.205.32.101) 107 ms 88 ms 78 ms 16 gbr3-p50.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.28.130) 103 ms 113 ms 106 ms 17 gbr4-p20.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.69) 120 ms 88 ms 86 ms 18 gbr3-p50.dvmco.ip.att.net (12.122.2.66) 126 ms 110 ms 129 ms 19 gbr1-p100.dvmco.ip.att.net (12.122.5.18) 135 ms 131 ms 110 ms 20 gar2-p360.dvmco.ip.att.net (12.123.36.137) 110 ms 110 ms 111 ms 21 12.124.158.46 (12.124.158.46) 105 ms 146 ms 118 ms 22 den-core-02.tamerica.net (205.171.16.17) 118 ms 135 ms 106 ms 23 min-core-02.tamerica.net (205.171.8.98) 163 ms 138 ms 159 ms 24 min-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.128.10) 151 ms 168 ms 135 ms 25 65.121.10.62 (65.121.10.62) 136 ms 156 ms 138 ms 26 tc2-qtr.northernlights.gigapop.net (192.42.152.129) 123 ms 120 ms 112 ms 27 tc3x.router.umn.edu (160.94.26.97) 152 ms 132 ms 117 ms 28 hellerh-1-rsmx.rswitch.umn.edu (160.94.26.73) 161 ms 121 ms 121 ms 29 * * * 30 liveweb.csom.umn.edu (160.94.119.32) 169 ms 132 ms 143 ms Mind you, this is just pinging one of the systems on campus (which I'm about a mile away from). At least the ping times are okay. Anyway, I was thinking that 30 hops is pretty bad.. About ten more hops than I usually expect. Looks like if I had gotten one more hop, traceroute would have quit! Just seemed odd to me, I guess.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I eat swiss cheese from the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ inside out. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know this offhand? -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From jkuster at sihope.com Sat Sep 14 12:01:28 2002 From: jkuster at sihope.com (John R Kuster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] non-rpofit status for TCLUG Message-ID: <000e01c25bda$7c884a20$0101a8c0@rodney> I'm currently doing some work for a nonprofit. People often start non-profits when they want to provide a service, they want some one to pay for it, but the parties paying for the service may not be the same as the recipient of the service. For example, large foundations will donate money for nonprofits to provide a social service, such as drug counseling, for people who can't afford to pay for it. Such a model of activity might well suit the open source community. Say TCLUG started an organization to provide installations of hardware and software to small businesses and other organizations that struggle with the cost of technology. TCLUG might then apply for grants (as well as charge modest users feees) to compensate technical specialists for their work. Many foundations are set up by large coporations (like IBM, or Sun), who are very interested in granting funds for projects that coincide with corporate goals. John Kuster -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020914/465405e7/attachment.htm From nate at refried.org Sat Sep 14 12:27:58 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt question In-Reply-To: <20020914133604.B15707@joelschneider.net> References: <20020914133604.B15707@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020914172041.GB19830@refried.org> On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 01:36:04PM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > I started using mutt as my MUA a few months ago, but have never tried the > delete-thread command before. I'm wondering whether the delete-thread > command (^D) deletes the entire thread or only the sub-thread from the > current message. Anyone know this offhand? delete-thread does delete the entire thread. There is a separate delete-subtread command which you can bind to any key. Perhaps you'd rather have ^D bound to delete-subtread instead. Nate From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 12:47:03 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] non-rpofit status for TCLUG In-Reply-To: <000e01c25bda$7c884a20$0101a8c0@rodney> Message-ID: <001d01c25c16$377e5fa0$6901a8c0@HPZT> FWIW, there are several kinds of not-for-profit corporation. I believe that what you describe is not within IRS limits for a 501c3 "for educational purposes" non-profit. I'm pretty sure that few would want TCLUG to become a welfare delivery agent or a "labor representation group" which are other IRS types that might allow involvements with paid client activities. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John R Kuster People often start non-profits when they want to provide a service, they want some one to pay for it, but the parties paying for the service may not be the same as the recipient of the service. For example, large foundations will donate money for nonprofits to provide a social service, such as drug counseling, for people who can't afford to pay for it. Such a model of activity might well suit the open source community. Say TCLUG started an organization to provide installations of hardware and software to small businesses and other organizations that struggle with the cost of technology. TCLUG might then apply for grants (as well as charge modest users feees) to compensate technical specialists for their work. Many foundations are set up by large coporations (like IBM, or Sun), who are very interested in granting funds for projects that coincide with corporate goals. John Kuster -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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About ten more hops > than I usually expect. Looks like if I had gotten one more hop, > traceroute would have quit! Just seemed odd to me, I guess.. Yup; it's ugly. But it's not uncommon. Back when I was documenting Link Analyst at Network Instruments -- it's basically a sort of super-ping combined with a graphic traceroute -- that sort of route was *very* common for even very close-both-geographically-and-net-topologically links. -- But it is impossible not to notice that, in some of the poorest parts of the world, most people, most of the time, appear to be happier than we are. In southern Ethiopia, for example, the poorest half of the poorest nation on earth, the streets and fields crackle with laughter. In homes constructed from packing cases and palm leaves, people engage more freely, smile more often, express more affection than we do behind our double glazing, surrounded by remote controls. -- George Monblot The life expectancy in Nigeria is 46 years. -- James Lileks, responding to George Monblot ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 14 13:11:18 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures In-Reply-To: <3D82A038.F2CEBF5F@ppdonline.com> References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <3D82A038.F2CEBF5F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020914175420.GA10495@iucha.net> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 09:34:32PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Samir M. Nassar > > 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' > > > So, open minds huh? I guess that only applies if the thought in > question parallels your belief structure. > What a hypocrite, > Ben. > > PS Stop the thought police, refuse to follow the PC nazis! Well sir, your answer disqualified yourself: you were not able to accept his peaceful message with an open mind. Do not rush to call other hypocrites... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Playing with sigrot to adjust for others' sensitivities actually > sounds like a lot of fun, but I think it's beyond my limited skills. > > Failing that -- or even not failing that -- I'd prefer to discuss political > issues, and offense taken to political comments in sigs, other than on this > particular mailing list. YMMV. I respect your right to free speech and I will strongly defend it even though I do not agree with what you say. But your signatures are certainly offensive to some people (myself included). I could ignore them but then I would look like I condone them. I could answer to them with arguments and reason but I know I will not change anybody's mind and you will not change anybody's mind so we would just waste bandwith here discussing issues not related to Linux or Twin Cities. It is pointless to have such arguments on this list. Feel free to set up another mailing list and I will gladly raise your glove there. florin > On a more linux-related note, it is fairly easy to use procmail to filter on > From: lines. Somebody who was to add a recipe like > > :0: > * ^From:.*joelr@ellegon.com > /dev/null > > to their .procmailrc would never actually see a message from me, although that > wouldn't prevent it from being seen by others. Just as an example. (Is the > lockfile really necessary? I dunno.) Which doesn't, of course, deal with > the problem of quoted messages. I'm sure that there's a fairly simple recipe > that could send all messages containing, say, the string > "thuggeeisareligionofdeath" to the bit-bin as well, although I don't know it > off the top of my head. I know that spamblocker does filter on content, as > well as headers, so there's probably an easy way to do it. > > jr > > -- > So you know what, Saddam? Go ahead. Yep, you heard us > right. That was the green light, just like the one you > thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we > mean it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take > you what, three days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and > the whole Saudi royal family. Have at it. Any dissent? We > know you know how to handle it, just don't tell us about the > details. 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Have you tried swapping the NIC as well? - Kremer From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Sep 14 17:49:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures and procmail In-Reply-To: <20020914181738.GB10495@iucha.net> References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200209131837.59326.joelr@ellegon.com> <20020914181738.GB10495@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200209141521.26379.joelr@ellegon.com> On Saturday 14 September 2002 01:17 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 06:37:59PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > On Friday 13 September 2002 05:30 pm, nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > I understand that we all have our affiliations, and I have no problem > > > with mentioning them in sigs, but do we really need to make potentially > > > offensive political statements in our sigs? > > > > If either the consensus or the listmanager's ruling (or, of course, both) > > is that "potentially offensive political statements in ... sigs" is > > unacceptable on the TCLUG mailing list, I'm certainly willing to abide by > > that and unsubscribe, rather than get into a long or even a short > > discussion about what is and isn't offensive, politically, or otherwise; > > it's not my list, after all. Playing with sigrot to adjust for others' > > sensitivities actually sounds like a lot of fun, but I think it's beyond > > my limited skills. > > > > Failing that -- or even not failing that -- I'd prefer to discuss > > political issues, and offense taken to political comments in sigs, other > > than on this particular mailing list. YMMV. > > I respect your right to free speech and I will strongly defend it even > though I do not agree with what you say. Thank you. > > But your signatures are certainly offensive to some people (myself > included). I could ignore them but then I would look like I condone > them. That's one view, and I respect it, although objecting to everything one finds offensive would likely keep one very busy. Another view is that one isn't required to take issue with anything and everything one doesn't agree with -- that happens to be mine, and it does have the virtue of laziness and economy. I could answer to them with arguments and reason but I know I will > not change anybody's mind and you will not change anybody's mind so we > would just waste bandwith here discussing issues not related to Linux > or Twin Cities. > > It is pointless to have such arguments on this list. Feel free to set up > another mailing list and I will gladly raise your glove there. Ghu knows there's plenty of venues to participate in such discussions already, and the number is only likely to increase in the foreseeable future, for obvious reasons; I don't feel the next to add another mailing list to the heap. jr > > florin > > > On a more linux-related note, it is fairly easy to use procmail to filter > > on From: lines. Somebody who was to add a recipe like > > > > :0: > > > > * ^From:.*joelr@ellegon.com > > /dev/null > > > > to their .procmailrc would never actually see a message from me, although > > that wouldn't prevent it from being seen by others. Just as an example. > > (Is the lockfile really necessary? I dunno.) Which doesn't, of course, > > deal with the problem of quoted messages. I'm sure that there's a fairly > > simple recipe that could send all messages containing, say, the string > > "thuggeeisareligionofdeath" to the bit-bin as well, although I don't know > > it off the top of my head. I know that spamblocker does filter on > > content, as well as headers, so there's probably an easy way to do it. > > > > jr > > > > -- > > So you know what, Saddam? Go ahead. Yep, you heard us > > right. That was the green light, just like the one you > > thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we > > mean it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take > > you what, three days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and > > the whole Saudi royal family. Have at it. Any dissent? We > > know you know how to handle it, just don't tell us about the > > details. Let Noam Chomsky worry about it. > > -- Claire Berlinksi, A > > Modest Proposal > > http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3881 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E--Well, you get the idea. -- Larry Miller ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 14 17:54:17 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Political signatures and procmail In-Reply-To: <200209141521.26379.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <1136.162.96.162.71.1031956200.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200209131837.59326.joelr@ellegon.com> <20020914181738.GB10495@iucha.net> <200209141521.26379.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020914214155.GA19976@iucha.net> On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 03:21:26PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > On Saturday 14 September 2002 01:17 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: [snip] > > I respect your right to free speech and I will strongly defend it even > > though I do not agree with what you say. > Thank you. > > But your signatures are certainly offensive to some people (myself > > included). I could ignore them but then I would look like I condone > > them. > That's one view, and I respect it, although objecting to everything one finds > offensive would likely keep one very busy. Another view is that one isn't > required to take issue with anything and everything one doesn't agree with -- > that happens to be mine, and it does have the virtue of laziness and economy. > > I could answer to them with arguments and reason but I know I will > > not change anybody's mind and you will not change anybody's mind so we > > would just waste bandwith here discussing issues not related to Linux > > or Twin Cities. > > > > It is pointless to have such arguments on this list. Feel free to set up > > another mailing list and I will gladly raise your glove there. > > Ghu knows there's plenty of venues to participate in such discussions already, > and the number is only likely to increase in the foreseeable future, for > obvious reasons; I don't feel the next to add another mailing list to the > heap. > > jr [snip] > > -- > "Violence only leads to more violence." > This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an > Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in > your heads and hearts already: > Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, > panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, > fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never > leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys > are all dead. > That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured > back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E--Well, you get the idea. > -- Larry Miller Isn't this a [rather verbose] reiteration of "might makes it right"? This has been said before: Don't quote the law to us! We carry swords! -- Pompeius Magnus, as recorded by Plutarch It is ok to discuss it from a historical point of view, but I sure don't want this in my neighbourhood or in yours. And I will stand against it! florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a dougnut is to a particle accelerator." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it possible that > it took your NIC with it? > I've had cases where my NIC was semi-fried. It was working enough > that to the OS it appeared to be working, but it wouldn't actually > transfer any data. Have you tried swapping the NIC as well? > > - Kremer I had a situation not that long ago where I lost power after a surge that took out my hub as well. My NIC was fine, but the drivers or OS was corrupt. It was quicker to reload than it was to try and figure it out exactly. Was a SmoothWall system. Shawn From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Sep 14 20:36:12 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <20020914185627.5ae748ad.sfertch@real-time.com> (Shawn's message of "Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:56:27 -0500") References: <20020912205032.GE30526@tcopensys.com> <200209131532.40515.joelr@ellegon.com> <1031951378.19047.19.camel@3po.dhs.org> <200209131714.09658.joelr@ellegon.com> <20020914144206.7309789e.kremer@ringworld.org> <20020914185627.5ae748ad.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Shawn writes: > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:42:06 -0500 > Justin Kremer wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:14:09 -0500 >> Joel Rosenberg wrote: >> >> > the hub having been >> > recently fried. >> >> I'd say that might be your problem right there. Is it possible that >> it took your NIC with it? >> I've had cases where my NIC was semi-fried. It was working enough >> that to the OS it appeared to be working, but it wouldn't actually >> transfer any data. Have you tried swapping the NIC as well? >> >> - Kremer Yup. > > I had a situation not that long ago where I lost power after a surge > that took out my hub as well. My NIC was fine, but the drivers or OS > was corrupt. It was quicker to reload than it was to try and figure it > out exactly. Was a SmoothWall system. > Tried reinstalling, too. No joy. -- So you know what, Saddam? Go ahead. Yep, you heard us right. That was the green light, just like the one you thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we mean it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take you what, three days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and the whole Saudi royal family. Have at it. Any dissent? We know you know how to handle it, just don't tell us about the details. Let Noam Chomsky worry about it. -- Claire Berlinksi, A Modest Proposal http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3881 ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 15 00:02:45 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official Notice from the Mailing List Dictator: Off-topic posting Message-ID: <20020914222148.D28227@real-time.com> This is an official notice. Please keep your post related to linux, (and related technologies), open source, networking, etc. Anything else should find another list. You get 1 infraction. After which you'll be put on the moderator approve-posting list. This means I get to read your post and approve or disregard it. Disregarding it means the message(s) goes to /dev/null. AND I only read this held mail when I have time. Addition to the approve-posting list is at my discretion and whim. REMOVAL from it likewise. At the monthly meetings I sarcastically introduce myself as the mailing list dictator. As we all know, there is a little bit of truth behind every bit of sarcasm. If you have issue with this notice, please contact me via personal email, all relevant info is in my signature. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date/Time: September 19, 2002 7:00 pm Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) Synopsis: LVM (Linux Logical Volume Manager) version 2.0, is a new version of the volume manager for Linux. This talk will highlight the new features of LVM, which include (1) atomic transactions, (2) faster, better snapshots, (3) device mapper kernel design, and more! We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of the building. Tentative Meeting Schedule October 17, 2002 November 21, 2002 Directions: Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. - From the South (35W) Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the North (35W) Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the West (94/394) Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the East (94) Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your right. - Parking Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in front of the building along University Ave. - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/frames/framebody/pages/about/upp.htm For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From cgahlon at citilink.com Sun Sep 15 04:33:04 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt question In-Reply-To: <20020914133604.B15707@joelschneider.net> References: <20020914133604.B15707@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200209150425.58064.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Saturday 14 September 2002 01:36 pm, Joel Schneider wrote: > I started using mutt as my MUA a few months ago, but have never tried the > delete-thread command before. I'm wondering whether the delete-thread > command (^D) deletes the entire thread or only the sub-thread from the > current message. Anyone know this offhand? Hey! That sounds like a really handy feature to have. I think that will be my weekend project... Upgrade from kmail to mutt! -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 15 11:57:59 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official Notice from the Mailing List Dictator: Off-topic posting In-Reply-To: <20020914222148.D28227@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > This is an official notice. > > Please keep your post related to linux, (and related technologies), open > source, networking, etc. i do not think that this is a good idea, what about BSD? there a a couple of BSD users around here (hey gabe!) and how about MacOSX(hey spencet!) is it covered too? how about someone implementing samba on the server side, and he has a client side question can they? how about .sigs? they kinda started this, are they supposed to conform too? are we going to have a "list" of approved subjects we can talk about? kinda reminds me of the "list" of approved websites chinese people can go to Munir Nassar From klinej at msoe.edu Sun Sep 15 12:43:32 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official Notice from the Mailing List Dictator: Off-topic posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1032110711.316.9.camel@tranquility> Bob is the dictator after all. I would say you brought up good points, all of which seem to be valid and applicable to the list. While this is a Linux Users Group, I see nothing wrong with the ocassional OSX or BSD question. Also, samba on teh server side, with client questions, is probably alllowed as most of have probably solved the iussues before. On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 11:11, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > This is an official notice. > > > > Please keep your post related to linux, (and related technologies), open > > source, networking, etc. > > i do not think that this is a good idea, > > what about BSD? there a a couple of BSD users around here (hey gabe!) and > how about MacOSX(hey spencet!) is it covered too? > > how about someone implementing samba on the server side, and he has a > client side question can they? > > how about .sigs? they kinda started this, are they supposed to conform > too? > > are we going to have a "list" of approved subjects we can talk about? > kinda reminds me of the "list" of approved websites chinese people can go > to > > Munir Nassar > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 15 12:52:04 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official Notice from the Mailing List Dictator: Off-topic posting In-Reply-To: References: <20020914222148.D28227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020915173420.GB20293@iucha.net> On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 11:11:03AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > This is an official notice. > > > > Please keep your post related to linux, (and related technologies), open > > source, networking, etc. > > i do not think that this is a good idea, > > what about BSD? there a a couple of BSD users around here (hey gabe!) and > how about MacOSX(hey spencet!) is it covered too? > > how about someone implementing samba on the server side, and he has a > client side question can they? Munir, read Bob's snippet. > how about .sigs? they kinda started this, are they supposed to conform > too? I was expecting a statement about this too... > > are we going to have a "list" of approved subjects we can talk about? > kinda reminds me of the "list" of approved websites chinese people can go > to I think Bob wanted to go that far, but as list owner he was invited to make a statement. Common sense should apply, although the "common" part is less than it is thought to be. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it possible that >> it took your NIC with it? >> I've had cases where my NIC was semi-fried. It was working enough >> that to the OS it appeared to be working, but it wouldn't actually >> transfer any data. Have you tried swapping the NIC as well? >> >> - Kremer Yup. > > I had a situation not that long ago where I lost power after a surge > that took out my hub as well. My NIC was fine, but the drivers or OS > was corrupt. It was quicker to reload than it was to try and figure it > out exactly. Was a SmoothWall system. > Tried reinstalling, too. No joy. -- So you know what, Saddam? Go ahead. Yep, you heard us right. That was the green light, just like the one you thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we mean it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take you what, three days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and the whole Saudi royal family. Have at it. Any dissent? We know you know how to handle it, just don't tell us about the details. Let Noam Chomsky worry about it. -- Claire Berlinksi, A Modest Proposal http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3881 ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Sep 15 23:03:57 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <001e01c25d16$5dcee8e0$290101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I've had a lighting strike take out the wire as well... Lightning is weird. REALLY wierd. Twice since I've worked here our building at work has been struck by lightning. Both times our data network has sustained damage, but in really odd patterns. In our last incident, it fried all the cards in our phone switch, except for one. In the previous one, it fried all our ethernet switches, but not all computers. Some wouldn't power up at all, some worked fine. One had occasional issues, and one just released smoke every once in awhile. WEIRD STUFF. So yeah, if it's possible that lightning or a really big surge knocked you out, it's worth looking into. -Brian From list at slushpupie.com Sun Sep 15 23:04:42 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Long Routes In-Reply-To: <1031987009.19047.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1031987009.19047.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200209152252.58627.list@slushpupie.com> On Saturday 14 September 2002 02:03 am, Mike Hicks wrote: > This isn't specifically Linux-related, but here goes.. > > I just changed over from using a Linksys router/firewall to a shiny new > (hah) P133 with a few NICs in it, since the Linksys box was hiding some > things and just not flexible enough to do others. > > Anyway, I'm wondering if I should have kept the box, since it was hiding > something pretty ugly: If by hiding you mean you couldnt do a traceroute past it, I discovered that the Linux traceroute by default uses UDP, whereas windows uses ICMP ECHO. This generally isnt a big deal because routers (and Linux routers) generally take this just fine. The Linksys devices block these UDP datagrams for some reason (security?) so to traceroute out, use the -I option (read the man page for more info) I have also heard that if you force the UDP port down to port 7 it will work for some linksys devices (depending on revision). Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From austad at signal15.com Mon Sep 16 00:30:12 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell stuff for sale Message-ID: <3D85679B.4040600@signal15.com> I have a couple of Dell servers that I want to get rid of: Dell 2200 =========== Pentium II 333 (Dual capable, only one proc installed) 224 MB Ram (1 128MB stick, and 3 32's) 4.5GB SCSI drive (Seagate Barracuda) SCSI cdrom drive Intel 10/100 NIC Dell Server Management card Pictures: http://www.signal15.com/gallery/album03/IMG_1984 http://www.signal15.com/gallery/album03/IMG_1986 It's all yours for the low low price of $150. I used it for a firewall, but I'll let you use it for whatever you like. :) Dell 4200 ============= Dual PII 300 256MB RAM Adaptec RAID card (supports RAID 5, 0, 1, and 0+1) Six 9.1GB Hotswappable SCSI drives (SCA backplane) 6 *additional* spare drives (9.1GB each), for a total of 12 drives SCSI cdrom Intel 10/100 NIC 2 External Ultrawide SCSI ports Dell server Management port Dual 700 Watt power supplies (I think one of them is bad though, but it works fine off one) Blue power LED :) Pictures: http://www.signal15.com/gallery/album03/IMG_1982 http://www.signal15.com/gallery/album03/IMG_1983 http://www.signal15.com/gallery/album03/IMG_1985 I'll let this beast go for $500/OBO. Would make a good database or fileserver. You have to come get them if you want them. The 4200 is *heavy*, and I don't think it would fit well in my little car. Drop me a line if you're interested. Jay From austad at signal15.com Mon Sep 16 01:08:28 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony laptop for sale Message-ID: <3D856ECD.90205@signal15.com> I have a Sony Vaio PCG-505FX for sale. It's one of their Superslim machines, and it has: 10.4" TFT screen Pentium 266 96MB ram 4.3GB hard drive external floppy drive firewire, USB Port replicator with parallel, serial, ps2, SVGA and both the original battery and the triple capacity battery (I get almost 5 hours with this one installed) It's not the latest and greatest machine in the world, but it works great with linux on it. Figured I'd offer it up to the list before I install windows on it and put it on Ebay (It has Gentoo on it now). First $300 takes it. I have the external cdrom drive which was purchased separately (it didn't come with one). The drive was $300, and is still used for the new Sony slimtops. They are going for $150 on ebay, but I'll throw it in for $100 if you buy the laptop. Unfortunately, if you want to boot from cdrom, this is the only drive you can use. But it's still possible to do a network install on it, or boot from floppy and use a USB cdrom. I'll get some pictures up as soon as my camera battery finished charging. :) Drop me an email if you're interested. Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Sep 16 09:36:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official Notice from the Mailing List Dictator: Off-topic posting In-Reply-To: References: <20020914222148.D28227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020916141931.GB32070@sistina.com> On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 11:11:03AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: >i do not think that this is a good idea, > >what about BSD? there a a couple of BSD users around here (hey gabe!) and >how about MacOSX(hey spencet!) is it covered too? read: related technologies > >how about someone implementing samba on the server side, and he has a >client side question can they? ditto here. >how about .sigs? they kinda started this, are they supposed to conform >too? god damn dood. >are we going to have a "list" of approved subjects we can talk about? >kinda reminds me of the "list" of approved websites chinese people can go >to Overreacting a bit aren't you? >Munir Nassar > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020916/4a692a39/attachment.pgp From bfriedman at ubiqinc.com Mon Sep 16 10:03:02 2002 From: bfriedman at ubiqinc.com (Brent Friedman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] non-rpofit status for TCLUG Message-ID: <3D85EF9E.30609@ubiqinc.com> (This information is being offered because I used to be a state tax agent in a different state.) Being a non-profit corporation has many problems for a group like TCLUG. There are several parts of the subchapter on nonprofits in the Int Rev Code that might apply, such as an educational organization. IMHO, the problems come up when you start looking at the legal requirements to be a corporation and a non-profit. It would involve a lot of stuff that isn't done now in TCLUG. A nonexhaustive listing would be: 1. Filing a corporate charter. Don't know what this costs in MN. It would theoretically be possible under open records laws to review charters of similar organizations, and cut/paste what would be needed for TCLUG. The typical legal fees for a "full-fledged" organization to get legal council, have a corporate charter created and filed, and for council to serve as agent of record would typically be $2-3k. 2. On the matter of an agent of record, someone would have to be listed as the legal point of contact (address). 3. Filing for IRS review of the 501c status. There used to be two fee ranges for this, I believe $125 and $1250. Religious organizations had a rubber stamp approval, but everyone else has to go through a review process. 4. Personal liability would fall to corporate officers (pres, vp, sec, etc) and board members. Non-profits usually provide liability insurance which usually has a "board" insurance clause (like "errors and omissions" insurance for accountants, lawyers, etc.). Again, another cost that would have to be paid by the group. 5. Annual filings with the state and federal government. In addition to the types of schedules filed by businesses, non-profits have much more detailed filings on where their money comes from, and what they spend it on. Again, this is *usually* done in association with a bookkeeper/accountant, for legal reasons. And, again, an additional cost to the group. 6. Annual board meetings, maintenance of records for the life of the corporation (usually in perpetuity). Someone would have to keep all the board meetings, resolutions, etc. 7. This doesn't even take into account any monies actually received by the organization from external sources (grants, etc.), which brings up yet another record keeping burden. There are some other issues, but these are the highlights. Churches or temples (even small ones) go through all this trouble so that they don't have to pay corporate income tax on donations they receive. It is in their interest to spend a couple thousand dollars a year for an accountant (or have one within their body of people volunteer), because it saves them money. (PS the term "nonprofit" (or "not for profit") in tax terms just means a corporation that is exempt from federal, and usually state, income tax, because of the type of activities pursued by that corporation) TCLUG would receive very little benefit from incorporating and seeking nonprofit status. TCL:UG would receive many additional financial and time burdens which would be unavoidable if it did seek nonprofit status. Brent Friedman From mbrowne at attbi.com Mon Sep 16 19:30:51 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose Message-ID: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? This one goes after SSL/apache on linux. See: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20020916-030318-5932r Mark Browne From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 16 19:41:17 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: [Bug 150090] Remove --disable-freetype2 in official RPMs Message-ID: <20020916193156.E16952@real-time.com> Sigh. Going to have to keep building custom mozilla rpms for truetype fonts support. :-( ----- Forwarded message from bugzilla-daemon@mozilla.org ----- http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150090 granrose@netscape.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |VERIFIED ------- Additional Comments From granrose@netscape.com 2002-09-16 17:14 ------- verified wontfix. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Sep 16 20:21:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> > Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? No they don't. This is why people pay hackers like us to keep thier networks safe. > This one goes after SSL/apache on linux. > > See: > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20020916-030318-5932r > > Mark Browne > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens Key fingerprint = 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 From austad at signal15.com Mon Sep 16 21:33:24 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3D868D0A.4090703@signal15.com> Ah yes, if it wasn't for things like this, I wouldn't have a job. Oh wait, I don't have a job. There goes my theory. :) Ben Lutgens wrote: >>Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? >> >> > >No they don't. This is why people pay hackers like us to keep thier >networks safe. > > >>This one goes after SSL/apache on linux. >> >>See: >>http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20020916-030318-5932r >> >>Mark Browne >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Sep 16 22:46:40 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> Message-ID: Still haven't seen any scans from it in my logs, though. Worries me, I always wonder if I'm looking for the right thing, but the CERT advisory seemed clear enough. (I seem to have fallen off this list for a while, and finally found that I needed to change something on a web page to get back on, sending email doesn't seem to be possible. Sigh.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Sep 16 23:20:26 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy><32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> Message-ID: <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> I second that, none of my machines had any trace in the logs, must be more hype than propogation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dyer-Bennet" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose > Still haven't seen any scans from it in my logs, though. Worries me, > I always wonder if I'm looking for the right thing, but the CERT > advisory seemed clear enough. > > (I seem to have fallen off this list for a while, and finally found > that I needed to change something on a web page to get back on, > sending email doesn't seem to be possible. Sigh.) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ > John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at signal15.com Tue Sep 17 00:21:08 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy><32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> I don't think you'll see anything in the logs, as the exploit is actually in the SSL negotiation phase, before the time that anything would make an http request. Since apache doesn't log just connection attempts, you won't see it. If you turned on some debugging somewhere, you might see traces of it. It's possible that something like snort would not be able to see it either, because the exploit may take place after a secure session is set up. I'm not sure at what point of the ssl negotiation that the exploit actually takes place. Michael D. Cassano wrote: >I second that, none of my machines had any trace in the logs, must be more >hype than propogation. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Dyer-Bennet" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:11 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose > > > > >>Still haven't seen any scans from it in my logs, though. Worries me, >>I always wonder if I'm looking for the right thing, but the CERT >>advisory seemed clear enough. >> >>(I seem to have fallen off this list for a while, and finally found >>that I needed to change something on a web page to get back on, >>sending email doesn't seem to be possible. Sigh.) >>-- >>David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ >> John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net >> Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> >> >Minnesota > > >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 17 00:33:34 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Mark Browne wrote: > Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? > > This one goes after SSL/apache on linux. > > See: > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20020916-030318-5932r We've had a few clients infected with it.. sucked up quite a fair amount of bandwidth. I love worms. Really, I do.. er, wait, actually, just kidding - I don't. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 17 01:26:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 Message-ID: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> We (at Real Time) are seen evidence of Scalper and Slapper, so for your pleasure: + chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 - chklastlog.c fix; (thanks to Gerard van Wageningen) - chkproc.c improvements; (thanks to Morohoshi Akihiko, Kostya Kortchinsky and Aaron Sherman) - new rootkits detected: o OpenBSD rk v1 o Illogic rootkit (thanks to Andrey Chernomyrdin) o SK rootkit (thanks to Razvan Cosma) - new worms detected: o Scalper (FreeBSD/Apache chunked encoding worm) o Slapper (Apache/mod_ssl Worm) Since gladiator is still syncing, the RPM will be available here: http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/downloads/RPMS/ The RPM package has been signed with gnupg and my personal key. To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Really, I do.. er, wait, actually, > just kidding - I don't. > Out of curiosity, would simply removing the packages take care of the vulnerability as well as if one might be compromised? I've read part of the CERT documentation, but have run out of time for right now. I don't need to have SSL installed right now, but did in case I decided to utilize it. I removed it but am just curious. Thanks. shawn From rummey at black-hole.com Tue Sep 17 07:40:18 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy><32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> Message-ID: <001401c25e44$e8a91f60$a001a8c0@rummey> CERT said that there would be entries in your logs, and you would also know by checking your /tmp/ directory for a .c file. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Austad" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose > I don't think you'll see anything in the logs, as the exploit is > actually in the SSL negotiation phase, before the time that anything > would make an http request. Since apache doesn't log just connection > attempts, you won't see it. > > If you turned on some debugging somewhere, you might see traces of it. > It's possible that something like snort would not be able to see it > either, because the exploit may take place after a secure session is set > up. I'm not sure at what point of the ssl negotiation that the exploit > actually takes place. > > > > Michael D. Cassano wrote: > > >I second that, none of my machines had any trace in the logs, must be more > >hype than propogation. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Dyer-Bennet" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose > > > > > > > > > >>Still haven't seen any scans from it in my logs, though. Worries me, > >>I always wonder if I'm looking for the right thing, but the CERT > >>advisory seemed clear enough. > >> > >>(I seem to have fallen off this list for a while, and finally found > >>that I needed to change something on a web page to get back on, > >>sending email doesn't seem to be possible. Sigh.) > >>-- > >>David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ > >> John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > >> Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >> > >> > >Minnesota > > > > > >>http://www.mn-linux.org > >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 17 08:59:57 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssl 0.9.6e Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888275@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I need to rebuild openssh anyway. Mine has a nice little bug in it, which is not possible to exploit because I went the easy way out and did a workaround. But it still needs an upgrade anyway. I finally got the version I wanted, but when I compiled it, it didn't compile libcrypto.so.2 for me. Only libcrypto.so.0. What's the deal here? Even with a recompile of Openssh, it still links to the libcrypto.so.2 which is from the old version of openssl. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] openssl 0.9.6e > > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Does anyone have a mirror of this? openssl.org seems to be > hammered > > right now. Doh. > > It's easier just to apply the patch to your current version, > and rebuild that. > > That way, don't have to upgrade OpenSSH too. > > Patches are available in the Bugtraq e-mail from Ben Laurie > with the subject 'OpenSSL patches for other versions'. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sma at chemsun.chem.umn.edu Tue Sep 17 10:48:01 2002 From: sma at chemsun.chem.umn.edu (Shuhua Ma) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux installation In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888275@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020917101300.U4779-100000@chemsun.chem.umn.edu> Hi, all, It's very nice to join you. I'm majoring in computational chemistry, so I use computer everyday, and it's better to use linux/unix system. I only know how to use some of the commands of linux, but I'm not able to install it and set up everything. Could anyone help me install linux to my PC in office? I have Suse Linux7.0 installation CDs. Thanks a lot. Shuhua From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 17 11:11:40 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: <001401c25e44$e8a91f60$a001a8c0@rummey>; from rummey@black-hole.com on Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:22:36AM -0500 References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy><32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> <001401c25e44$e8a91f60$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <20020917105734.E10496@sherohman.org> On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Michael D. Cassano wrote: > CERT said that there would be entries in your logs, and you would also know > by checking your /tmp/ directory for a .c file. I suspect that this would only tell you if you've been compromised, but not provide any information on unsuccessful attacks. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Sep 17 11:23:19 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020917145717.GB23067@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:23:41AM -0400, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hello- > > I met with some folks from mapnp.org (managemnt assistance program for > nonprofits) last night, and they sponsor the NonProfit Tech Talk list > which i have plugged here twice or so already. They have monthly meetings, > just like the LUG here, and their October (the 16th) meeting is about > Linux. "Linux. Does it make sense to use Linux for servers? FOr desktop > machines? WHat is available now and what makes sense." > > (snip) > > I think that we should work with them, and help them explore linux more, > help them get linux into some non-profits... > > who wants to go to the meeting with me? > > duncan > I am interested. I'll know my schedule better by next week. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Sep 17 11:28:25 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell PowerEdge Server Message-ID: <20020917150538.GC23067@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> I'm working on a project that has a several year old Dell PowerEdge server. It has dual Pentium Pro 200 processors and a total of 256MB of main memory. It also has four 8.5 GB disk drives hooked up to a Power Edge Raid Controller (PERC) - I think it is the oldest model made. The controller provides hardware Raid 0,1, and 5, and I have three of the drives as a logical volume on a Raid 5 array. The problem is that hdparm reports the most awful read times, on the order of 5.5MB/sec. I've done google searches and found other folks reporting similar transfer times, but I have to believe that the controller can do better. 1) Anyone have experience tweaking these controllers? 2) Any ideas from other controllers that might be helpful? I have the controller set to use ReadAhead and Write-Through modes. 3) New hardware is not likely an option. This box was donated to an organization that is not flush with cash. 4) I was considering starting over, but using RAID 1 instead. I have a gut feel that this will be substantially faster. 5) Dell support is not helpful. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 --- Many are called, few volunteer. From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 17 11:56:56 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssl 0.9.6e In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888275@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:45:39PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888275@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020917114130.B15709@okane.localnet> 0.9.6e is out of date anyway, upgrade to 0.9.6g Austad, Jay wrote: > I finally got the version I wanted, but when I compiled it, it didn't > compile libcrypto.so.2 for me. Only libcrypto.so.0. What's the deal here? > Even with a recompile of Openssh, it still links to the libcrypto.so.2 which > is from the old version of openssl. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 17 12:47:40 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssl 0.9.6e In-Reply-To: <20020917114130.B15709@okane.localnet> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Scot Jenkins wrote: > 0.9.6e is out of date anyway, upgrade to 0.9.6g whats with that anyways? why not go to 0.9.7? or at least 0.9.7pre(something) if it is not "ready" Munir Nassar From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Sep 17 13:49:04 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> Message-ID: Jay Austad writes: > I don't think you'll see anything in the logs, as the exploit is > actually in the SSL negotiation phase, before the time that anything > would make an http request. Since apache doesn't log just connection > attempts, you won't see it. If you turned on some debugging > somewhere, you might see traces of it. It's possible that something > like snort would not be able to see it either, because the exploit may > take place after a secure session is set up. I'm not sure at what > point of the ssl negotiation that the exploit actually takes place. As I read the advisory, there's an initial probe where what it's really looking for is configuration info, which logs a specific request. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Sep 17 14:28:05 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> References: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > We (at Real Time) are seen evidence of Scalper and Slapper, so for your > pleasure: > > + chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 > - chklastlog.c fix; (thanks to Gerard van Wageningen) > - chkproc.c improvements; (thanks to Morohoshi Akihiko, Kostya Kortchinsky > and Aaron Sherman) > - new rootkits detected: > o OpenBSD rk v1 > o Illogic rootkit (thanks to Andrey Chernomyrdin) > o SK rootkit (thanks to Razvan Cosma) > - new worms detected: > o Scalper (FreeBSD/Apache chunked encoding worm) > o Slapper (Apache/mod_ssl Worm) > > Since gladiator is still syncing, the RPM will be available here: > > http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/downloads/RPMS/ There's a bug in the chkrootkit script where it requires that the chkproc executable be in the same directory the script is running in. It isn't in a normal install from your rpm (unless you run chkrootkit from /usr/bin). And it says nothing is wrong with my system, which I'm nearly certain is false (probably an LKM). Key executables change over time, and when a changed one is run extra processes are spawned. And they usually hang. I think I've got a partial, failed, installation of something on my server. Bah, humbug. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 17 15:31:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 02:16:44PM -0500 References: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020917151202.A20596@real-time.com> Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > There's a bug in the chkrootkit script where it requires that the > chkproc executable be in the same directory the script is running in. > It isn't in a normal install from your rpm (unless you run chkrootkit > from /usr/bin). Need to run it from /usr/bin -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Sep 17 17:31:12 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: <20020917151202.A20596@real-time.com> References: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> <20020917151202.A20596@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > > There's a bug in the chkrootkit script where it requires that the > > chkproc executable be in the same directory the script is running in. > > It isn't in a normal install from your rpm (unless you run chkrootkit > > from /usr/bin). > > Need to run it from /usr/bin Yes, and that works. I think of that as a "workaround", myself. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From ozark72949 at myrealbox.com Tue Sep 17 19:51:58 2002 From: ozark72949 at myrealbox.com (Allan F) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server Cry for Help References: Message-ID: <3D87CC23.1040601@myrealbox.com> Hemminger, Jeffrey D. wrote: >Hi All, >I'm trying to set up a Mail Server, James, from the Jakarta project. >(see http://jakarta.apache.org/james/index.html if you're interested) > >I'm doing this for a software development project (read: I'm a developer and >not a sys admin... this is my first problem...), and would like to use >Linux as the OS. >For the development environment I'm using a private network which I've >recently set up. I have two PCs, both running RedHat7.2 configured the same >way. So some day I'm hoping to send emails from MX Server A to MX Server B, >and visa versa. > >I've gone through the installation of RedHat 7.2, I've installed the JDK and >James. I've gone through the build (and killed sendmail) and can run James >although it's not configured completely yet. > >The trouble I'm running into is with the network I've created. I ping, I >SSH, but I can't telnet or FTP (not that I really need to telnet, but it's >more this sinking feeling that I'm not doing something correctly). > Red Hat has not turned on Telnet or FTP since version 6.x (all 7.x look at these as a security risk). You should use ssh, sftp, and/or scp. > >I'd really like help with two points: > >1- Configuring my DNS servers correctly. > >2- More generally, things to watch out for running my private network (like >what dragons lie in wait for me once I start trying to throw emails >around?). > >I've been working on this for a while now, and the trouble I've run into >(repeatedly) with internet howto's and mail list archives is that they're >either talking about a different distribution or a different software >package than I'm using (or both). > >Is anyone available with some experience configuring DNS and Email servers >that I can send a few questions to??? > >(I'm on the James mailing list, so the questions would be specific to DNS >and networks) > >(This would be tomorrow, I've reached my threshold of frustration for today) >;) > >Thanks, > >Jeff > >PS- >Oh, and a couple more newbie questions?: >-I burned two ISOs, one Mandrake and one Debian. I was under the impression >that they'd start installing when I rebooted. They didn't. Can I change the >BIOS like I would under Windows so that it would run from CDROM when I >reboot? >-I created a Mandrake boot disk, started it up, and it wouldn't recognize >the Mandrake ISO in the CDROM. The question is: How do I install Linux from >an ISO??? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Sep 17 21:19:26 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: References: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020917193500.GC10120@sistina.com> On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 02:16:44PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >There's a bug in the chkrootkit script where it requires that the >chkproc executable be in the same directory the script is running in. >It isn't in a normal install from your rpm (unless you run chkrootkit >from /usr/bin). So grab the tarball, uncompress, cd, type make, then run the bin.... It's pretty stupid to install it and leave it installed on a box as it could be replaced by and cracker upon compromise anyway. Generally one compiles and copies to a "rescue" cd or some such. > >And it says nothing is wrong with my system, which I'm nearly certain >is false (probably an LKM). Key executables change over time, and >when a changed one is run extra processes are spawned. And they >usually hang. I think I've got a partial, failed, installation of >something on my server. Bah, humbug. And is this victim still connected to the 'Net? If so, why? -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I figured out the immediate workaround and used it, but I thought mentioning the issue was good too. Yeah, I could have make a patch, but since I installed from RPM I didn't have the tarball handy. > It's pretty stupid to install it and leave it installed on a box as it > could be replaced by and cracker upon compromise anyway. Generally one > compiles and copies to a "rescue" cd or some such. Who said anything about *leaving* it installed? (or at least using the version left installed) That's your invention. > >And it says nothing is wrong with my system, which I'm nearly certain > >is false (probably an LKM). Key executables change over time, and > >when a changed one is run extra processes are spawned. And they > >usually hang. I think I've got a partial, failed, installation of > >something on my server. Bah, humbug. > > And is this victim still connected to the 'Net? If so, why? Sure is. Can't fix it without finding what's wrong. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Sep 17 22:55:03 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Internet 'worm' on the loose In-Reply-To: References: <000501c25ddd$e4c70900$1f02a8c0@zippy> <32860.24.245.5.130.1032224620.squirrel@webmail.sistina.com> <006801c25dff$12a93d40$a001a8c0@rummey> <3D86AF9D.4000905@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20020918033011.GB20646@tcopensys.com> On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 01:30:01PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >Jay Austad writes: > >> I don't think you'll see anything in the logs, as the exploit is >> actually in the SSL negotiation phase, before the time that anything >> would make an http request. Since apache doesn't log just connection >> attempts, you won't see it. If you turned on some debugging >> somewhere, you might see traces of it. It's possible that something >> like snort would not be able to see it either, because the exploit may >> take place after a secure session is set up. I'm not sure at what >> point of the ssl negotiation that the exploit actually takes place. > >As I read the advisory, there's an initial probe where what it's >really looking for is configuration info, which logs a specific >request. You will see stuff in your logs. Or at least I did :(. I had a box running an older version of openssl and apache-ssl (I know I know I know....I have already spanked myself...and upgraded). I started noticing a serious lag on Friday 13 night. My ISP was having some ATM link issues so I just attributed it to that. Well... The "program" is a very noisey one. It typically uses port 2002udp to do its dirty work. netstat -l did not show traffic on that port, but when I fired up ettercap, the real story was evident. I saw tons of IP's that the program was trying connect to on port 2002. Even if you clean up your box, you are still in the "infected" database. So , the other p2p clients will try to connect to you. The author can execute code on any of the clients on the p2p network, however, I have not seen nor heard of this byproduct being a common practice at this point. http://www.f-secure.com/slapper has some stats and whatnot of the worm (worth a read). I have a tarball including the source/binary/and various logs of the event. You are welcome to see what I found if you think it will help you further your prevention/understanding of the worm. http://Spencer.Underground.Tclug.org/hacked.tar Simple prevention: 1) Don't run apache-ssl if you don't n 2) keep your openssl (and all your security pkg's) up to date [varies from distro to distro but anyting before 0.9.6.e is vulnerable (0.9.6g is current)] 3) block ports 2000-2002udp <---not completely necessary if you do 1 & 2 4) subscribe to the cert mailing list and your distro-security list I hope this info will help someone somewhere sometime. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't just send the URL because I think you might have to register to read it, and thought some might not find that as benign as I do (in this case.) --Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Ready to Push Linux as Alternative to Microsoft By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 17 ? Sun Microsystems plans to throw its weight behind the "open source" software movement on Wednesday as part of an industry effort to offer an alternative to Microsoft's Windows and Office programs. Sun's challenge, based on the Linux alternative to Windows-based software, is a daunting one, according to industry analysts, because Microsoft's Office suite of word-processing, spreadsheet and other software applications is pervasive in the corporate computing world. Yet Sun executives said they believed that Microsoft was vulnerable in cost-sensitive markets like large corporate call centers, which provide things like customer service; retail banking organizations; and government and educational institutions. Advertisement "The industry is ready," said Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president for software at Sun. "There is a great opportunity for a major systems company to commercialize a full Linux desktop." Sun plans to promote the Linux operating system along with Sun's own line of StarOffice applications programs. Mr. Schwartz said Microsoft was also at risk because many organizations were frustrated with computer security issues that continued to plague the company's software. Sun, which plans to announce the new strategy at a conference for its customers on Wednesday, said it would begin shipping the new products in the next nine months. Although the Linux operating system for file-sharing server computers has proved a viable alternative to Microsoft and other vendors in the price-conscious part of corporate computing, Linux has not yet made significant inroads among nontechnical personal computer users. But a number of executives who are involved with open-source software said that Linux was beginning to catch on among the nontechnical users. One reason for that, they said, was that Microsoft had changed its pricing for corporate and government organizations in recent months to a subscription model, which many customers say has effectively raised the cost of the company's software. "When Microsoft changed their pricing policy for enterprise customers," said David Patrick, the president and chief executive of Ximian, a partner of Sun, "it sent a strong message. And since then our activity has increased exponentially." Ximian publishes open-source software, including Gnome desktop applications and Ximian Evolution, a competitor to Microsoft Outlook. For Sun, a computer maker and software company that has been struggling along with the dot-com and telecommunications industries, offering an inexpensive alternative to Microsoft's products is an effort to find new customers. Mr. Schwartz argues that besides having lower licensing fees than Microsoft, the open-source alternative based around Linux and Sun's own StarOffice program will also offer other indirect cost savings. "We can support 2,000 users with one system administrator at Sun," he said. "It requires in the neighborhood of one administrator for every 50 users in the Windows world." But he said Sun had no immediate plans to try to compete with Microsoft for the heart of its user base: white-collar workers and managers. -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 00:43:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: <20020917193500.GC10120@sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 02:35:00PM -0500 References: <20020917005904.B16952@real-time.com> <20020917193500.GC10120@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020918003528.B20596@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > So grab the tarball, uncompress, cd, type make, then run the bin.... > > It's pretty stupid to install it and leave it installed on a box as it > could be replaced by and cracker upon compromise anyway. Generally one > compiles and copies to a "rescue" cd or some such. simple integrity check: rpm --checksig chkrootkit, but if the got root, they could replace everything better integrity check: make sure /usr/bin is in your tripwire config best: burned to a cd, imho -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 18 09:37:03 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020918142308.GB4946@sistina.com> On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:40:31PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >On 17 Sep 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >> > And is this victim still connected to the 'Net? If so, why? >i think what ben means is that this box should be bagged, tagged and sent >to the morgue > No that's not what I mean. It should be removed from an internet connected network and placed on a private network with no access to the outside world. >if you suspect an intrusion, you pull the plug where plug == network cable not power cable. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, if the answer to the above is "there isn't any," that would be useful info, too! I'm just reconstructing my home office after a move and trying to assess whether pulling wire (ugh --- lath and plaster walls) or buying some stuff will get me to fully functioning fastest. I know there are HOWTOs out the wazoo on wireless, but most of them don't really help distinguish between "this will work easily" and "this will work, but by the end you'll be drinking vodka and percodan like spring water." Thanks! R From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 18 10:20:04 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: <20020918142308.GB4946@sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > No that's not what I mean. It should be removed from an internet connected > network and placed on a private network with no access to the outside > world. > > >if you suspect an intrusion, you pull the plug > > where plug == network cable not power cable. i was speaking metaphorically, with morgue being a desk where you can inverstigate the cause of death... Munir Nassar From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 18 10:41:48 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless PCI cards for > me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a network of about > 5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we hates it, my > precious]. for desktop boxen, get pretty much any card on a plx adaptor, and then get the hostap drivers (google.com) this is the important part make sure you have the kernel-sources for your runnig kernel, (for redhat, this means installing the kernel sources and editing the makefile, and the forth line down or so is says: EXTRAVERSION = -nncustom <---- remove the custom, (unless that is what you are running) make menuconfig (and quit immediately afterwards, there nothing we are going to change) make dep in the hostap tree you may have to edit the Makefile to point to the kernel tree make plx make install_plx modprobe hostap_plx from here you can use the iwconfig tools to configure the wireless card, iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed (by default it comes as an AP) iwconfig wlan0 essid iwconfig wlan0 key ifconfig wlan0 up <--- or for redhat use netconfig -d wlan0 for pcmcia you will need to download the pcmcia-cs sources.... but should otherwise be the same Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From erik at ehanson.net Wed Sep 18 10:48:25 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: I use the Orinoco (Lucent) card and I really like it. I use it under Win and FreeBSD (I know there is linux support as well) and I have had no trouble. I have one of their access points too, and they are all good, it just depends on what you need them to do. -Erik On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:44:25 -0500 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless > PCI cards for > me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a > network of about > 5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we > hates it, my > precious]. > > Specifically, where "best" == "most likely to just work > without me > having to spend hours figuring stuff out and editing > config files." > Preferably this would include encryption being enabled > from the > get-go, rather than requiring a lot of pain to set up. > > Actually, if the answer to the above is "there isn't > any," that would > be useful info, too! > > I'm just reconstructing my home office after a move and > trying to > assess whether pulling wire (ugh --- lath and plaster > walls) or buying > some stuff will get me to fully functioning fastest. > > I know there are HOWTOs out the wazoo on wireless, but > most of them > don't really help distinguish between "this will work > easily" and > "this will work, but by the end you'll be drinking vodka > and percodan > like spring water." > > Thanks! > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 11:09:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 09:44:25AM -0500 References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020918104255.S22100@real-time.com> Quoting rpgoldman@real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com): > Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless PCI cards for > me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a network of about > 5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we hates it, my > precious]. I personal recommend a Cisco 1200 AP and Cisco 350s for WiFi cards. The cards are plug-n-plug if you got all the righ packages installed. The AP has a functional, but unsual console interface, but has an excellent web interface. If you want a demo before you buy, you can arrange a stop-by at Real Time's office and I can show you the equipment. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From matthew at redroot.org Wed Sep 18 11:36:16 2002 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: Lucent Silver (orinoco) worked out of the box with a un-updated RH7.3 install. mcd On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless PCI cards for > me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a network of about > 5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we hates it, my > precious]. > > Specifically, where "best" == "most likely to just work without me > having to spend hours figuring stuff out and editing config files." > Preferably this would include encryption being enabled from the > get-go, rather than requiring a lot of pain to set up. > > Actually, if the answer to the above is "there isn't any," that would > be useful info, too! > > I'm just reconstructing my home office after a move and trying to > assess whether pulling wire (ugh --- lath and plaster walls) or buying > some stuff will get me to fully functioning fastest. > > I know there are HOWTOs out the wazoo on wireless, but most of them > don't really help distinguish between "this will work easily" and > "this will work, but by the end you'll be drinking vodka and percodan > like spring water." > > Thanks! > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Wed Sep 18 12:30:04 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (drew@usfamily.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question Message-ID: <200209181707.g8IH7nd06084@sprite.real-time.com> i know that this is not an answer to your question but, I am sending this email from my pda through the U om Ms wireless network. Andrew. > >Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless PCI cards for >me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a network of about >5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we hates it, my >precious]. > >Specifically, where "best" == "most likely to just work without me >having to spend hours figuring stuff out and editing config files." >Preferably this would include encryption being enabled from the >get-go, rather than requiring a lot of pain to set up. > >Actually, if the answer to the above is "there isn't any," that would >be useful info, too! > >I'm just reconstructing my home office after a move and trying to >assess whether pulling wire (ugh --- lath and plaster walls) or buying >some stuff will get me to fully functioning fastest. > >I know there are HOWTOs out the wazoo on wireless, but most of them >don't really help distinguish between "this will work easily" and >"this will work, but by the end you'll be drinking vodka and percodan >like spring water." > >Thanks! >R >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 19:19:46 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine Message-ID: <20020918182454.5e497be9.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm having trouble getting samba to run on my local domain. Here's the particulars: Slack 8.0 machine running samba (don't know version right now) Win98se and WinMe systems. Running local DNS, no Domain controllers EnablePlainTextPassword is set to 1 on both Win boxes. When I try and connect to the samba share (\\wormy\data), I get the share name listed and a box to enter password. However no user name entry field. I've set up Samba at work to authenticate both locally and against the domain (NT) at work successfully, but it doesn't work here. Any ideas? Thanks, Shawn Here's part of my smb.conf file: [global] username map = /etc/samba/user.map workgroup = int.mn-ttkd.org server string = Samba Server log file = /var/spool/samba/log.%m max log size = 1000 security = local encrypt passwords = no socket options = TCP_NODELAY local master = no read only = no preserve case = yes short preserve case = no dos filetime resolution = yes syslog = 0 #============================ Share Definitions #============================== # This one is useful for people to share files [homes] comment = Home Directory mangled names = no map archive = yes mangle case = no case sensitive = yes preserve case = yes short preserve case = yes read only = no writable = yes create mask = 0755 public = no browseable = no [data] comment = data browseable = yes path = /data read only = no create mask = 0755 public = no From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 20:38:15 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine References: <20020918182454.5e497be9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Well I have a similar setup and I use security=user and encrypt passwords=yes just set up the local smbpasswd file and you should be good to go. also not sure if you realize that you need to log into the win98 box with the username that has rights to the share. either that or, IIRC, use the username map=/path/to/username-map hope that helps Loren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine > I'm having trouble getting samba to run on my local domain. Here's the > particulars: > > Slack 8.0 machine running samba (don't know version right now) > Win98se and WinMe systems. > Running local DNS, no Domain controllers > EnablePlainTextPassword is set to 1 on both Win boxes. > > When I try and connect to the samba share (\\wormy\data), I get the > share > name > listed > and a box to enter password. However no user name entry field. I've > set up Samba at work to authenticate both locally and against the domain > (NT) at work successfully, but it doesn't work here. Any ideas? > > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > Here's part of my smb.conf file: > > [global] > > username map = /etc/samba/user.map > > workgroup = int.mn-ttkd.org > server string = Samba Server > log file = /var/spool/samba/log.%m > max log size = 1000 > security = local > encrypt passwords = no > socket options = TCP_NODELAY > local master = no > read only = no > preserve case = yes > short preserve case = no > dos filetime resolution = yes > syslog = 0 > > #============================ Share Definitions > #============================== > # This one is useful for people to share files > [homes] > comment = Home Directory > mangled names = no > map archive = yes > mangle case = no > case sensitive = yes > preserve case = yes > short preserve case = yes > read only = no > writable = yes > create mask = 0755 > public = no > browseable = no > > [data] > comment = data > browseable = yes > path = /data > read only = no > create mask = 0755 > public = no > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 18 21:53:38 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine Message-ID: Do the w98se and wme systems "login" with some username and a blank password? w2k, wxp, and (I think) wnt boxes can mount network drives using different passwords AND usernames, but w95/w98/wme class machines can only use one username to access network resources (but possibly many different passwords). I don't know if that is the problem, but I thought I'd throw it out there... Troy --- Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us Programmer / System Administrator Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >>> sfertch@real-time.com 09/18/02 19:21 PM >>> I'm having trouble getting samba to run on my local domain. Here's the particulars: Slack 8.0 machine running samba (don't know version right now) Win98se and WinMe systems. Running local DNS, no Domain controllers EnablePlainTextPassword is set to 1 on both Win boxes. When I try and connect to the samba share (\\wormy\data), I get the share name listed and a box to enter password. However no user name entry field. I've set up Samba at work to authenticate both locally and against the domain (NT) at work successfully, but it doesn't work here. Any ideas? Thanks, Shawn Here's part of my smb.conf file: [global] username map = /etc/samba/user.map workgroup = int.mn-ttkd.org server string = Samba Server log file = /var/spool/samba/log.%m max log size = 1000 security = local encrypt passwords = no socket options = TCP_NODELAY local master = no read only = no preserve case = yes short preserve case = no dos filetime resolution = yes syslog = 0 #============================ Share Definitions #============================== # This one is useful for people to share files [homes] comment = Home Directory mangled names = no map archive = yes mangle case = no case sensitive = yes preserve case = yes short preserve case = yes read only = no writable = yes create mask = 0755 public = no browseable = no [data] comment = data browseable = yes path = /data read only = no create mask = 0755 public = no _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 21:54:21 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine In-Reply-To: References: <20020918182454.5e497be9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020918211501.148bfedc.sfertch@real-time.com> I changed security to user, as well as attempting to encrypt password and still no luck. If I go to the top level, I get an IPC$ share password prompt. If I go directly to the share, I get the share then password prompt. Same as what I was experiencing previously. I tried both name and IP with the same results. The systems I've set up at work were HP-UX and Solaris systems, again on an NT domain. One thing I seem to recall is that both smbd and nmbd need to be run with the -D option on them. I try to do that on my Slack system and it won't let me run smbd. nmbd seems to be okay on running. I've looked at the syslog, messages, and dmesg with no log entries of what could be failing. Not seeing any logs for samba yet either. Thanks for the help, but doesn't seem to work. Shawn On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:34 -0500 "Loren Burlingame" wrote: > Well I have a similar setup and I use > security=user > > and > > encrypt passwords=yes > > just set up the local smbpasswd file and you should be good to go. > > also not sure if you realize that you need to log into the win98 box > with the username that has rights to the share. > either that or, IIRC, use the username map=/path/to/username-map > > hope that helps > > Loren From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 22:24:13 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine References: Message-ID: <000e01c25f89$5088dc20$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org> I just tried changing from windows login to client for microsoft windows where it prompts for username and password on the Windows machine when starting up/logging on windows. Still does the same thing. I did an smbstatus, and get the following: Samba version 2.2.0a Service uid gid pid machine ---------------------------------------------- No locked files Shawn (apologies for the OE mail, testing on windows side) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine > Do the w98se and wme systems "login" > with some username and a blank password? > w2k, wxp, and (I think) wnt boxes can > mount network drives using different > passwords AND usernames, but w95/w98/wme > class machines can only use one username > to access network resources (but > possibly many different passwords). > > I don't know if that is the problem, > but I thought I'd throw it out there... > > Troy > From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 22:48:24 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> matthew@redroot.org writes: > Lucent Silver (orinoco) worked out of the box with a un-updated RH7.3 > install. I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive but kludgy. Ouch. For two desktops + an access point, pulling wire is starting to look competitive. Even at electrician's rates $700 or so buys a reasonable amount of wire-pulling. Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. I don't really need roaming wireless. Is there a more economical way to avoid pulling wire? Or am I somehow reading these product sheets wrong? thanks, r From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 22:49:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine In-Reply-To: <000e01c25f89$5088dc20$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:04:48PM -0500 References: <000e01c25f89$5088dc20$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org> Message-ID: <20020918222715.C20596@real-time.com> Quoting shawn (sfertch@real-time.com): > I just tried changing from windows login to client for microsoft windows > where it prompts for username and password on the Windows machine when > starting up/logging on windows. Still does the same thing. > > I did an smbstatus, and get the following: Did you try the .reg files in the /usr/share/docs/samba area to turn off encypted passwords? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 18 23:02:17 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 09:44:25AM -0500 References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020918104518.B15006@okane.localnet> I don't currently have a wireless setup but here are some links that might be helpful: There's a local wireless users group: http://www.tcwug.org/ IBM's Developerworks just had an article on setting up wireless for Linux. You have to register to view it but it's a good article. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/education/r-wilinux.html?n-wi-9122 MPC sells PCI cards that accept PCMCIA cards for about $20; with one of these a a couple PCMCIA wireless cards should work. http://www.materialsprocessing.com/sspage.htm Personally, I just have lovely blue CAT5 strung all over my old house. rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Can anyone suggest what would be the best WAP + wireless PCI cards for > me to buy for a linux system? More specifically for a network of about > 5 boxen, mostly linux but with one or two windowses [we hates it, my > precious]. -- -scot From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 18 23:08:28 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > matthew@redroot.org writes: > > Lucent Silver (orinoco) worked out of the box with a un-updated RH7.3 > > install. > > I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that > is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a > 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive > but kludgy. i just got a USrobotics kit that had 2 network cards and 2 two PLX adaptors for 80 from tigerdirect they work like a charm (using the directions from my earlier post) Munir Nassar From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 18 23:15:58 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine References: <000e01c25f89$5088dc20$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org> <20020918222715.C20596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000d01c25f91$d256dd80$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org> From: "Bob Tanner" > Did you try the .reg files in the /usr/share/docs/samba area to turn off > encypted passwords? I'm not seeing these. I did set the option the the smb.conf file to no initially, but no change to either encrypted or not. Also, I've set the Windows registries to allow plaintext passwords, still no luck. Shawn From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Sep 18 23:27:04 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3D89507D.782EB7A8@mailandnews.com> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > matthew@redroot.org writes: > > Lucent Silver (orinoco) worked out of the box with a un-updated RH7.3 > > install. > > I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that > is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a > 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive > but kludgy. Last I checked, Linksys was selling a PCI wireless card. Don't have any experience with it, but my Linksys wireless PCM/CIA card for my laptop works great. Ironically, the card performs noticeably better under Linux than under Windows. --Nathan Davis From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Sep 18 23:49:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500 References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020919012915.F15707@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid > pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. Pulling wire is fun. It might make more sense for you to run conduit on the outside of the house instead of going through the walls, though. As long as you're pulling Cat5, why not also pull some satellite grade coax: http://www.milestek.com/multimedia_cable.asp -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Sep 19 00:15:15 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > Ouch. For two desktops + an access point, pulling wire is starting to > look competitive. Even at electrician's rates $700 or so buys a > reasonable amount of wire-pulling. > > Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid > pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. I don't really > need roaming wireless. Is there a more economical way to avoid > pulling wire? Or am I somehow reading these product sheets wrong? Having put around 1500' of CAT5 and some phone cable into my 1916 (I think it is) duplex, mostly lath and plaster -- I think you're onto something. In 1995, though, I didn't have either a wireless option or good multi-line multi-handset wireless phone options. I've seen phone-line network products and power-line network products that might well be another alternative, but I'm not actually sure they're much cheaper than the wireless you're looking at. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Sep 19 00:27:26 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkrootkit-0.37-realtime.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Munir Nassar writes: > On 17 Sep 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > And is this victim still connected to the 'Net? If so, why? > > > > Sure is. Can't fix it without finding what's wrong. > > i think what ben means is that this box should be bagged, tagged and sent > to the morgue > > if you suspect an intrusion, you pull the plug I think there's less chance of a controlled intrusion (something that can be used as a base for bothering others) on that box than there is, say, on any of the windows boxes sitting on the same network. For one thing, I've spent a *lot* more time examining it closely, including looking at inbound and outbound traffic; which hasn't happened with the windows boxes. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 19 00:42:29 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla, xpdf and acroread Message-ID: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> After my last apt-get dist-upgrade on my Debian testing box, I ran into a peculiar effect when attempting to view PDFs with mozilla. Even though my preferences specifically say to view all PDFs using xpdf, mozilla attempts to load acroread anyway (and acroread promptly crashes or just quits, I'm not exactly sure). Uninstalling acroread seems to solve the problem, but I still wonder why mozilla overrode my preferences like that. -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, there are networking technologies that work over the power lines and phone lines already in the walls. I'm not sure how well that hardware works with Linux, or how cost-competitive it is with 802.11b. I'm pretty sure you'd get similar data rates (on the order of 10Mbit/s). Pulling Cat5 or better wire guarantees 100Mbit/s traffic (provided you have the right cards and hubs/switches). This is a nice big jump, making it so accessing another computer is almost as fast as getting files locally. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ He's dim, Jed / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of Real Time's customers is a professional wiring company and they give a good rule of thumb of $150/run for cabling. Wired is generally cheaper then wireless, it's just "Easier" to do wireless in many situations because people do not have the right tools to lay cable. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From mbusse at bussefamily.com Thu Sep 19 07:13:02 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Mike Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Worm and openssl Message-ID: <3252.192.168.100.69.1032436426.squirrel@www.bussefamily.com> OK, so I know about the openssl exploit that is out now. I also know that I should be running openssl 0.9.6g to fix this problem. I checked on symantec and redhat's site to see if they have a fix for it, and I find these articles. I went to Symantec's site and read about the worm. Reference CAN-2002-0656 They say that you should have openssl 0.9.6e or 0.9.6g installed http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/security/Content/2002.09.13.html So then I went over to Redhat's site, and they have a link about the slapper worm on their home page. http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html In the article they again reference CAN-2002-0656. (So I know they are talking about the same worm) They say that they fixed their versions of openssl back in the end of July. And they provide links to the updated fixes. http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html Redhat's version of openssl is 0.9.6b (which is the one that I cam currently running My question or delema... Since I have RedHat's version of openssl (0.9.6b) and they say its been fixed, do I still update it and use the openssl 0.9.6g from openssl.org's site or not? From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 07:41:20 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Worm and openssl In-Reply-To: <3252.192.168.100.69.1032436426.squirrel@www.bussefamily.com> References: <3252.192.168.100.69.1032436426.squirrel@www.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <1032438152.4701.1.camel@dedannshae> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 06:53, Mike Busse wrote: > OK, so I know about the openssl exploit that is out now. I also know that > I should be running openssl 0.9.6g to fix this problem. > > I checked on symantec and redhat's site to see if they have a fix for it, > and I find these articles. > > I went to Symantec's site and read about the worm. Reference > CAN-2002-0656 They say that you should have openssl 0.9.6e or 0.9.6g > installed > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/security/Content/2002.09.13.html > > So then I went over to Redhat's site, and they have a link about the > slapper worm on their home page. > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html In the article they again > reference CAN-2002-0656. (So I know they are talking about the same worm) > They say that they fixed their versions of openssl back in the end of > July. And they provide links to the updated fixes. > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html Redhat's version of > openssl is 0.9.6b (which is the one that I cam currently running > > My question or delema... Since I have RedHat's version of openssl (0.9.6b) > and they say its been fixed, do I still update it and use the openssl > 0.9.6g from openssl.org's site or not? Use RedHat's update. They just took the source patch and applied it to their own source tree, leaving the version number/letter the same. They leave the version number the same so as not to break any rpm dependencies. Mandrake does the same thing. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You are ok with RedHat's openssl. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Sep 19 08:47:53 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500 References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020919081229.J32447@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that > is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a > 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive > but kludgy. If you only need to connect two computers, I'd go for two Prism2 based cards (D-Link DWL-500 (PCI with external *detachable* antenna), then put them in ad-hoc mode, it'll cost you about $100. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Sep 19 09:42:50 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine In-Reply-To: <20020918182454.5e497be9.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020918182454.5e497be9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020919142145.GB14948@sistina.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 06:24:54PM -0500, Shawn wrote: >I'm having trouble getting samba to run on my local domain. Here's the >particulars: If you read the documentation for samba either that came with the package you installed or on the samba website you'd be able to solve this problem. > >Slack 8.0 machine running samba (don't know version right now) >Win98se and WinMe systems. >Running local DNS, no Domain controllers >EnablePlainTextPassword is set to 1 on both Win boxes. > >When I try and connect to the samba share (\\wormy\data), I get the >share >name >listed >and a box to enter password. However no user name entry field. I've >set up Samba at work to authenticate both locally and against the domain >(NT) at work successfully, but it doesn't work here. Any ideas? > > >Thanks, > >Shawn > >Here's part of my smb.conf file: > >[global] > >username map = /etc/samba/user.map > > workgroup = int.mn-ttkd.org > server string = Samba Server > log file = /var/spool/samba/log.%m > max log size = 1000 > security = local > encrypt passwords = no > socket options = TCP_NODELAY > local master = no > read only = no > preserve case = yes > short preserve case = no > dos filetime resolution = yes > syslog = 0 > >#============================ Share Definitions >#============================== ># This one is useful for people to share files >[homes] > comment = Home Directory > mangled names = no > map archive = yes > mangle case = no > case sensitive = yes > preserve case = yes > short preserve case = yes > read only = no > writable = yes > create mask = 0755 > public = no > browseable = no > >[data] > comment = data > browseable = yes > path = /data > read only = no > create mask = 0755 > public = no >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well they increment the extra version info. foobarpackage-1.1.1-10 ^^^ -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020919/67acc182/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 09:53:54 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that > is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a > 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive > but kludgy. Not orinoco that I know of, but Linksys has one.. and you can get 'em pretty cheap, too. $70 at Amazon.. it's the Linksys WMP11. > Ouch. For two desktops + an access point, pulling wire is starting to > look competitive. Even at electrician's rates $700 or so buys a > reasonable amount of wire-pulling. $700? You must be looking at Cisco gear. :) If you go Linksys, it'll be around $120 for the AP, and $70 for each card. A bit more reasonable.. > Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid > pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. I don't really > need roaming wireless. Is there a more economical way to avoid > pulling wire? Or am I somehow reading these product sheets wrong? Could always do phoneline networking, but it's lame. Really, I usually recommend wiring as much as you can.. makes life a lot easier in the future. Plus, then you get 100mb.. of course, I also like my wireless network, 'cuz I can walk around anywhere I want with my laptop. I don't think I'd ever put a desktop on wireless unless it was the last resort, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 09:54:42 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla, xpdf and acroread In-Reply-To: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <15753.57522.185494.729132@tsathoggua.mydomain> Brian D. Hicks writes: > After my last apt-get dist-upgrade on my Debian testing box, I ran into > a peculiar effect when attempting to view PDFs with mozilla. Even > though my preferences specifically say to view all PDFs using xpdf, > mozilla attempts to load acroread anyway (and acroread promptly crashes > or just quits, I'm not exactly sure). > > Uninstalling acroread seems to solve the problem, but I still wonder > why mozilla overrode my preferences like that. Is it possible that you have plugger installed? Plugger came along with mozilla on my Mandrake install: Plugger is a Netscape plugin which can show many types of multimedia inside your Netscape. To accomplish this, Plug? ger uses external programs such as xanim, mtv, timidity and tracker. For up-to-date information on Plugger, see the plugger home page: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html If you do have plugger, take a look at /etc/pluggerrc. Mine looks like this: application/pdf: pdf: PDF file application/x-pdf: pdf: PDF file text/pdf: pdf: PDF file text/x-pdf: pdf: PDF file repeat swallow(documentShell) fill: acroread -geometry +9000+9000 -xrm '*userFrontEndProgram: FALSE' "$file" repeat swallow(gv) fill: gv -safer -quiet -antialias -geometry +9000+9000 "$file" 2>/dev/null repeat swallow(xpdf) fill: xpdf -g +9000+9000 "$file" which means that plugger will first try acroread, then ghostview and finally xpdf. You can change your pluggerrc to make this work the way you want. Hope that helps, r From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Thu Sep 19 09:59:49 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine Message-ID: When I spent time networking Win98 and Win2K boxes, in order for the 98's to access a share on the 2K server, the server had to have a user created for each 98 user, and the username has to be the same as in win98. This is the same as someone else said on the list, but I think you misinterpreted what they said when you tried switching to Client for MS Networks. No matter how you log on, whether it's locally, to a domain, whatever, you've only got one username, so that username has to be present on the Samba box in order to gain access. Rather, that is what I think is going on here, from what I've read. I can't say for sure though, as I have not worked much at all with Samba. Hope this helps though. John >>> sfertch@real-time.com 09/18/02 11:05PM >>> From: "Bob Tanner" > Did you try the .reg files in the /usr/share/docs/samba area to turn off > encypted passwords? I'm not seeing these. I did set the option the the smb.conf file to no initially, but no change to either encrypted or not. Also, I've set the Windows registries to allow plaintext passwords, still no luck. Shawn _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020919/5518698e/attachment.htm From eh at constantdata.com Thu Sep 19 10:26:43 2002 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine In-Reply-To: <20020918211501.148bfedc.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Shawn, I believe that in M$Win98, you need to login as the user you have specified in you SMB. Try this from a DOS prompt and force the user: net use k: \\smbservername\sharename * /USER:username replace smbservername, sharename and username with your vals. good luck! --elhaddi On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Shawn wrote: > I changed security to user, as well as attempting to encrypt password > and still no luck. If I go to the top level, I get an IPC$ share > password prompt. If I go directly to the share, I get the share then > password prompt. Same as what I was experiencing previously. I tried > both name and IP with the same results. > > The systems I've set up at work were HP-UX and Solaris systems, again on > an NT domain. One thing I seem to recall is that both smbd and nmbd > need to be run with the -D option on them. I try to do that on my Slack > system and it won't let me run smbd. nmbd seems to be okay on running. > I've looked at the syslog, messages, and dmesg with no log entries of > what could be failing. Not seeing any logs for samba yet either. > > Thanks for the help, but doesn't seem to work. > > Shawn > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:34 -0500 > "Loren Burlingame" wrote: > > > Well I have a similar setup and I use > > security=user > > > > and > > > > encrypt passwords=yes > > > > just set up the local smbpasswd file and you should be good to go. > > > > also not sure if you realize that you need to log into the win98 box > > with the username that has rights to the share. > > either that or, IIRC, use the username map=/path/to/username-map > > > > hope that helps > > > > Loren > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 11:19:18 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <3D89507D.782EB7A8@mailandnews.com> References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> <3D89507D.782EB7A8@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain> A bunch of the responses I've got have suggested the higher end (Cisco and Orinoco) cards and WAPS. Any particular reason? The Linksys products are shockingly cheaper (particularly WAPs)..... Thanks, r From foeclan at visi.com Thu Sep 19 11:55:56 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: I've had no issues with my Linksys WAP/router and PCMCIA card. It was easy to configure via the web interface, and communicated fine with my Cisco 678 when I had DSL (we'll see how it goes with cable when they install it tonight). The PCMCIA card was easy to get going under Linux. I haven't used the Cisco or Orinoco, so I can't tell you what you might be missing out on, but the Linksys ones work fine. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > A bunch of the responses I've got have suggested the higher end (Cisco > and Orinoco) cards and WAPS. Any particular reason? The Linksys > products are shockingly cheaper (particularly WAPs)..... > > Thanks, > r > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erik at ehanson.net Thu Sep 19 11:59:46 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: You get what you pay for. I bought a linksys, used the utility linksys provided to upgrade the firmware, and it stopped working. I then called linksys and said "It does not work." They said "What did you do?". I said "Updated the firmware." They said "Oh, that probobly fried the card, take it back to where you got it." So I did. Then I bought an Orinoco. I LOVE it. -Erik On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:10:02 -0500 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > A bunch of the responses I've got have suggested the > higher end (Cisco > and Orinoco) cards and WAPS. Any particular reason? The > Linksys > products are shockingly cheaper (particularly WAPs)..... > > Thanks, > r > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jason.madoerin at lmco.com Thu Sep 19 12:00:14 2002 From: jason.madoerin at lmco.com (Madoerin, Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Null Display? Message-ID: <8A67750E6D91D411A67100508BF96FBA0798C2A8@emss09m03.ems.lmco.com> Sorry for the newbie question, but is there a null display setting for the $DISPLAY env variable? I want to do the equivalent of: >xclock -display null:0.0 Or >export DISPLAY=null:0.0 >xclock & Where the above would make the display manager think it is bringing up xclock on a perfectly good display that is the equivalent of /dev/null. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020919/299cdbbd/attachment.html From nightcanton at attbi.com Thu Sep 19 12:12:09 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. Message-ID: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> To anyone who can help, I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq NIC so I don't believe it is supported. But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It recognizes but when you go into ' ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at all. Anyone know how to do it? Take it Easy, Luke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020919/cecdb971/attachment.htm From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 12:17:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > A bunch of the responses I've got have suggested the higher end (Cisco > and Orinoco) cards and WAPS. Any particular reason? The Linksys > products are shockingly cheaper (particularly WAPs)..... More robust, more security features, etc. For home stuff, the Linksys gear works well enough, but if you're a business network where you'll have a bunch of AP's, or want to do authentication, or whatever, the Cisco/Orinoco gear makes it easier. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From alcyone at slava.net Thu Sep 19 12:39:03 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING tomorrow Message-ID: <20020919131945.GA14779@sadalbari> Tomorrow's beermeeting is at McGovern's! Normal time: 6-8 Everyone welcome as per usual. Check http://beer.tclug.org for details. Go to Upstairs at McGovern's (a separate entrance from just "McGoverns") and look for Tux dolls and laptops. See you there! Lorry From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Thu Sep 19 12:48:45 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A8D9@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Warning -- Newbie answering My experience is that a nic will get recognized by the os and load the driver for it but that alone did not bring up the NIC. I had to make an entry one of the boot scripts to bring the nic up. Check to see if the driver was loaded lsmod If driver loaded the ifup eth0 should bring up the connection. Good luck John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Luke Steiner [mailto:nightcanton@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. To anyone who can help, I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq NIC so I don't believe it is supported. But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It recognizes but when you go into ' ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at all. Anyone know how to do it? Take it Easy, Luke From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Sep 19 13:06:48 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. In-Reply-To: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> References: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <20020919174841.GA31094@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:46:19AM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on > it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq > NIC so I don't believe it is supported. Ya, a little Googling makes me think so too. Too bad. > But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. I tried installing > the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the PCMCIA > software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 19 13:54:01 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. In-Reply-To: <20020919174841.GA31094@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <005501c2600a$893e5be0$6901a8c0@HPZT> Dig deeper: contact Compaq and get them to tell you whether they support Linux or not on that product (they do support Linux in most of their business areas). Nine chances in ten it's either supported directly or an equivalent chip set to something that is already supported under another name. I had some problems with HP and they helped.. eventually. HP online tech support in the USA could not help at that time, but I got help from HP in France because of the importance os Suse Linux in office sales over there. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John J. Trammell > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:46:19AM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > > I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on > > it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq > > NIC so I don't believe it is supported. > > Ya, a little Googling makes me think so too. Too bad. > > > But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. I tried installing > > the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the PCMCIA > > software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. > > From http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS it > looks like you're in good shape. I've been using a Linksys > NP10T for some time with much joy BTW. > > > It recognizes but when you go into 'ifconfig' it doesn't show > > that card at all. Anyone know how to do it? > > What does /var/log/daemon.log say? My (limited) PCMCIA experience > tells me to start looking there for error messages from 'cardmgr'. > And what have you got in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts? From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 14:23:18 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:10:02AM -0500 References: <15752.37193.516314.570811@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> <3D89507D.782EB7A8@mailandnews.com> <15753.63194.873554.253964@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020919141142.E20596@real-time.com> Quoting rpgoldman@real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com): > > A bunch of the responses I've got have suggested the higher end (Cisco > and Orinoco) cards and WAPS. Any particular reason? The Linksys > products are shockingly cheaper (particularly WAPs)..... You get what you pay for? Are the Orinoco and Linksys 100mW? I've only really used the Cisco stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jason.madoerin at lmco.com Thu Sep 19 14:24:04 2002 From: jason.madoerin at lmco.com (Madoerin, Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Null Display? Message-ID: <8A67750E6D91D411A67100508BF96FBA0798C2AC@emss09m03.ems.lmco.com> Oh my goodness, I tried what I typed, and it worked. The magic $DISPLAY setting is actually "null:0.0". *feeling very embarrassed* Sorry for wasting all your time. -----Original Message----- From: Madoerin, Jason [mailto:jason.madoerin@lmco.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:42 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Null Display? Sorry for the newbie question, but is there a null display setting for the $DISPLAY env variable? I want to do the equivalent of: >xclock -display null:0.0 Or >export DISPLAY=null:0.0 >xclock & Where the above would make the display manager think it is bringing up xclock on a perfectly good display that is the equivalent of /dev/null. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020919/d7037fa5/attachment.html From dante at plethora.net Thu Sep 19 14:24:45 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. In-Reply-To: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: > I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the > PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It > recognizes but when you go into ' ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at > all. Anyone know how to do it? > "ifconfig -a" should show the interface, otherwise check "dmesg" for the kernel messages from the card insertion. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From theixian at hotmail.com Thu Sep 19 14:34:41 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine Message-ID: >net use k: \\smbservername\sharename * /USER:username This will only work in a windows NT, 2k, XP environment. you must either log onto the win98 box with the username of the user on the linux box OR use the 'username map=/path/to/map' (at least I think that is the correct syntax) directive in the smb.conf file to alias a the username you log in as on the win98 box to a valid user account on the linux box. and dont forget to run 'smbpasswd -a '. > >replace smbservername, sharename and username with your vals. > >good luck! > >--elhaddi > > >On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Shawn wrote: > > > I changed security to user, as well as attempting to encrypt password > > and still no luck. If I go to the top level, I get an IPC$ share > > password prompt. If I go directly to the share, I get the share then > > password prompt. Same as what I was experiencing previously. I tried > > both name and IP with the same results. > > > > The systems I've set up at work were HP-UX and Solaris systems, again on > > an NT domain. One thing I seem to recall is that both smbd and nmbd > > need to be run with the -D option on them. I try to do that on my Slack > > system and it won't let me run smbd. nmbd seems to be okay on running. > > I've looked at the syslog, messages, and dmesg with no log entries of > > what could be failing. Not seeing any logs for samba yet either. > > > > Thanks for the help, but doesn't seem to work. > > > > Shawn > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:34 -0500 > > "Loren Burlingame" wrote: > > > > > Well I have a similar setup and I use > > > security=user > > > > > > and > > > > > > encrypt passwords=yes > > > > > > just set up the local smbpasswd file and you should be good to go. > > > > > > also not sure if you realize that you need to log into the win98 box > > > with the username that has rights to the share. > > > either that or, IIRC, use the username map=/path/to/username-map > > > > > > hope that helps > > > > > > Loren > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shattner, Airplane II --- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 19 14:46:27 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop. In-Reply-To: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> References: <002901c25ffc$1452e750$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <20020919191044.GH20646@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:46:19AM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > Link: File-List > > To anyone who can help, > > I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on > it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq NIC so I > don't believe it is supported. But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. > I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the > PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It > recognizes but when you go into ` ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at > all. Anyone know how to do it? > > Luke This is where I would start. cardctl ident <---see if it knows your card is physically there ifconfig -a <--- look at all devices ifconfig knows about lsmod <--this will tell you what modules are loaded however, it may be loaded "proper" into the kernel (not installed as a module but _in_ the kernel) also make sure pcmcia is running on your box /etc/init.d/pcmcia status <----- should tell you another thing you can do is take the output of `cardctl ident` and search /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia.conf for that particular card. That is about all I can think of ATM. good luck to you make sure and ask more questions { http://linuxdoc.org man pcmcia http://google.com/linux irc.openprojects.net #tclug & #linuxhelp & #redhat the mailing list } -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 15:07:46 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20020919145011.K16952@real-time.com> Ok, ftp.mn-linux.org is back online. We are not 100% sync'd with the mirrors, but close. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From nightcanton at attbi.com Thu Sep 19 16:10:13 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop continued In-Reply-To: <20020919191044.GH20646@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <001201c2601d$54365480$6701a8c0@luke> My card service is running and it does recognize the card, as a HomeLink Phonline + 10/100 Network PC Card. So it does see it but I noticed that I don't have a pcmcia.conf. So I obviously don't know where to put the card information into. But here is a layout the I found. # /etc/pcmcia.conf PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 PCIC_OPTS= CORE_OPTS= CARDMGR_OPTS= Thanks, Luke -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop. On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:46:19AM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > Link: File-List > > To anyone who can help, > > I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on > it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq NIC so I > don't believe it is supported. But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. > I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the > PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It > recognizes but when you go into ` ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at > all. Anyone know how to do it? > > Luke This is where I would start. cardctl ident <---see if it knows your card is physically there ifconfig -a <--- look at all devices ifconfig knows about lsmod <--this will tell you what modules are loaded however, it may be loaded "proper" into the kernel (not installed as a module but _in_ the kernel) also make sure pcmcia is running on your box /etc/init.d/pcmcia status <----- should tell you another thing you can do is take the output of `cardctl ident` and search /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia.conf for that particular card. That is about all I can think of ATM. good luck to you make sure and ask more questions { http://linuxdoc.org man pcmcia http://google.com/linux irc.openprojects.net #tclug & #linuxhelp & #redhat the mailing list } -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 19 16:30:35 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20020919142349.J16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I guess the Dunwoody thing fell through. So, anyone else able to host an > installfest? so, whats the scoop? Munir Nassar From alcyone at slava.net Thu Sep 19 16:57:31 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEERMEETING tomorrow Message-ID: <20020919131945.GA14779@sadalbari> Tomorrow's beermeeting is at McGovern's! Normal time: 6-8 Everyone welcome as per usual. Check http://beer.tclug.org for details. Go to Upstairs at McGovern's (a separate entrance from just "McGoverns") and look for Tux dolls and laptops. See you there! Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 19 17:10:11 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:00:01PM -0500 References: <20020919142349.J16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020919165103.I22100@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I guess the Dunwoody thing fell through. So, anyone else able to host an > > installfest? > > so, whats the scoop? 2 in every box. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 19 20:05:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20020919165103.I22100@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > I guess the Dunwoody thing fell through. So, anyone else able to host an > > > installfest? > > > > so, whats the scoop? > > 2 in every box. do you want cream with that? Munir Nassar From estabroo at talkware.net Thu Sep 19 23:11:36 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Worm and openssl References: <3252.192.168.100.69.1032436426.squirrel@www.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <3D89C8C3.5070808@talkware.net> Mike Busse wrote: > OK, so I know about the openssl exploit that is out now. I also know that > I should be running openssl 0.9.6g to fix this problem. > >> My question or delema... Since I have RedHat's version of openssl (0.9.6b) > and they say its been fixed, do I still update it and use the openssl > 0.9.6g from openssl.org's site or not? > They could have easily ported the fix back to 0.9.6b. I'd say don't do the 0.9.6g upgrade from source unless you have a need. You can also turn off access to the exploit by disabling SSLv2 in apache. Look for a line with SSLCipherSuite, it'll look something like SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:!SSLv2 if it has +SSLv2 in it change that to !SSLv2, if not add :!SSLv2 to the end of that line. This "fix" is mentioned toward the bottom of the CERT annoucement for this exploit. It's basically for situations where you can't easily upgrade to a newer version of the library. Eric From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 20 00:26:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <20020919141142.E20596@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > You get what you pay for? > > Are the Orinoco and Linksys 100mW? Orinoco's 30 (used to be at least), I believe Linksys is 100. > I've only really used the Cisco stuff. Cisco + Orinoco have far better receive sensitivity than Linksys, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 20 00:54:23 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla, xpdf and acroread In-Reply-To: <15753.57522.185494.729132@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> <15753.57522.185494.729132@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020920053925.GC12088@8ball.wox.org> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:35:30AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Brian D. Hicks writes: > > After my last apt-get dist-upgrade on my Debian testing box, I ran into > > a peculiar effect when attempting to view PDFs with mozilla. Even > > though my preferences specifically say to view all PDFs using xpdf, > > mozilla attempts to load acroread anyway (and acroread promptly crashes > > or just quits, I'm not exactly sure). > > > > Uninstalling acroread seems to solve the problem, but I still wonder > > why mozilla overrode my preferences like that. > > Is it possible that you have plugger installed? 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It will make you feel better. > >So then I went over to Redhat's site, and they have a link about the >slapper worm on their home page. >http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html In the article they again >reference CAN-2002-0656. (So I know they are talking about the same worm) > They say that they fixed their versions of openssl back in the end of >July. And they provide links to the updated fixes. >http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-160.html Redhat's version of >openssl is 0.9.6b (which is the one that I cam currently running > >My question or delema... Since I have RedHat's version of openssl (0.9.6b) >and they say its been fixed, do I still update it and use the openssl >0.9.6g from openssl.org's site or not? > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Redhat's 'mostly' fixed it.. their version will still crash under certain situations (or so I've gathered from Bugtraq), but it's not vulnerable. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Sep 20 08:15:08 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations Message-ID: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the input. Eric From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 20 08:50:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:02:12AM -0500 References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20020920082719.F20596@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > input. Must like local telco service, they all suck. You are going to have to choose the "lesser evil" one. We use NetSol. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Sep 20 08:51:34 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running Message-ID: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and still have it running after I log off the session. e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. tree -d /usr > junk & Same with this one. lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & So how can I keep something running after I log out? Thanks Chris Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been happily using it for over 7 years. :) Jima From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Sep 20 09:25:30 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1032531185.24714.2.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 08:26, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and > still have it running after I log off the session. > > e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. > tree -d /usr > junk & > Same with this one. > lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & > > So how can I keep something running after I log out? > > Thanks > Chris Frederick man screen -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Sep 20 09:44:24 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020920142006.GA605@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:26:49AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and > still have it running after I log off the session. > > e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. > tree -d /usr > junk & > Same with this one. > lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & > > So how can I keep something running after I log out? > > Thanks > Chris Frederick Use the 'nohup' command. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Sep 20 09:45:02 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20020920142115.GB605@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:02:12AM -0500, Eric Stanley wrote: > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > input. > > Eric I like godaddy.com for domain registration and zoneedit.com for dns. Low prices and good service. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From sextus at visi.com Fri Sep 20 10:16:33 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020920144023.GA83105@sextus.dsl.visi.com> ON Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:26:49AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and still > have it running after I log off the session. > > e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. > tree -d /usr > junk & > Same with this one. > lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & > > So how can I keep something running after I log out? Assuming you have no need to reattach to your terminal, use the standard "nohup" command. man nohup -- Michael From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Sep 20 10:45:05 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options Message-ID: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I'm looking for some removable storage, primarily for distro-isos. I don't want to store them on the laptop, but I do want to keep them on some removable device that I can plug into the laptop and transfer the needed isos. Nows the hard part. I have a couple options that look promising. 1. USB 2.0 hard drive. I'd need to get a pcmcia card for this and figure out how big a storage unit I would need. I've read the USB 2.0 support document (thx tim) and other than the support for the actual pcmcia card, this looks like it could work well with (probably) only minor issues. 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. This looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper than the USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage options, any IDE device would hook up to this. My problem with this is Linux support. I've never heard of this device before, and I don't know how linux would use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or would I have to mess with FireWire settings and such? Just wondering if anyone here has any advice for some removable storage on a laptop, or just want to share some success/horror stories. Thanks again. Chris Frederick From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 20 12:26:14 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: On 20 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. > This looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper > than the USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage > options, any IDE device would hook up to this. My problem with this > is Linux support. I've never heard of this device before, and I don't > know how linux would use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or > would I have to mess with FireWire settings and such? They sell USB drives that do the exact same thing. with USB, it's just another USB Mass Storage device.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Sep 20 12:49:06 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations Message-ID: I don't know what you have in mind exactly, but I use www.everydns.net for DNS service (totally free, several features I didn't find elsewhere). If you need the included hosting, you may be able to rig something up where you could route traffic to the space provided...as for registrar, I used www.doteasy.com and they allowed me to change the DNS server to use everydns.net. Their registration fee is $18, and you get $5 per referral, so if you've got a few to register, that might be a viable option. (There are restrictions to this, so check it out before you do it.) Not exactly the answer you wanted, but maybe it'll work for you. John >>> barnabas@knicknack.net 09/20/02 08:02AM >>> I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the input. Eric _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020920/3ef746a0/attachment.html From nightcanton at attbi.com Fri Sep 20 13:08:55 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop continued In-Reply-To: <001201c2601d$54365480$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <000601c260cf$5c452f90$6701a8c0@luke> I'm still trying to figure out why this isn't working. I set the pcmcia.conf file up and it still doesn't work. I'm not sure where to go from here? Any ideas? Take care, Luke -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Luke Steiner Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop continued My card service is running and it does recognize the card, as a HomeLink Phonline + 10/100 Network PC Card. So it does see it but I noticed that I don't have a pcmcia.conf. So I obviously don't know where to put the card information into. But here is a layout the I found. # /etc/pcmcia.conf PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 PCIC_OPTS= CORE_OPTS= CARDMGR_OPTS= Thanks, Luke -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop. On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:46:19AM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > Link: File-List > > To anyone who can help, > > I have a Compaq 17xl365 laptop. I just put Red Hat linux on > it and I can't get the network card to work. It is a Compaq NIC so I > don't believe it is supported. But I do have a PCMCIA linksys PCM100h1. > I tried installing the card but the only thing linksys gives you is the > PCMCIA software to make the linux OS recognize the PCMCIA card. It > recognizes but when you go into ` ifconfig' it doesn't show that card at > all. Anyone know how to do it? > > Luke This is where I would start. cardctl ident <---see if it knows your card is physically there ifconfig -a <--- look at all devices ifconfig knows about lsmod <--this will tell you what modules are loaded however, it may be loaded "proper" into the kernel (not installed as a module but _in_ the kernel) also make sure pcmcia is running on your box /etc/init.d/pcmcia status <----- should tell you another thing you can do is take the output of `cardctl ident` and search /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia.conf for that particular card. That is about all I can think of ATM. good luck to you make sure and ask more questions { http://linuxdoc.org man pcmcia http://google.com/linux irc.openprojects.net #tclug & #linuxhelp & #redhat the mailing list } -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Sep 20 13:20:03 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920082719.F20596@real-time.com> Message-ID: I use NetSol also, mainly because once upon a time they were the only choice and I haven't registered anything recently. As for DNS services, depending on your TOS with your ISP, you may be able to do your own DNS. Jeff On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > > input. > > Must like local telco service, they all suck. You are going to have to choose > the "lesser evil" one. > > We use NetSol. > > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 20 13:28:25 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, New ethereal Message-ID: <20020920131147.J16952@real-time.com> New greyhatpak. %changelog * Tue Sep 20 2002 Bob Tanner + greyhatpak-0.1-realtime.9 - upgraded ethereal to 0.9.6 # apt-get install greyhatpak # apt-get install ethereal-base ethereal-usermode AND # apt-get install ethereal-gnome AND/OR # apt-get install ethereal-gtk+ AND/OR # apt-get install ethereal-kde OR ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.3/i386/RPMS.tclug/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the > > input. > > > > Eric > >I like godaddy.com for domain registration and zoneedit.com for dns. >Low prices and good service. Stay away from namebargain.com, which is the inexpensive component of register.com. Their customer service is horrid. It took over a week for a response on a simple host record change request. Completely unacceptable. I'm moving all domains over to gkg.net. Thus far response has been superb and the price is only marginally higher than namebargain. Web based management with username and password is standard with all their services. >-- >Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net >Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 >public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 -- Christopher Schulte christopher@schulte.org http://www.schulte.org/ na na nah nah na na nah -Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails, Halo 13, the day the world went away From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Sep 20 14:59:55 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020920101707.034627a8@localhost> Message-ID: <3D8B7A67.2090105@andersonfam.org> I use easydns.com for both domain reg and DNS services, and I've had absolutely no problems with them....highly recommended. -Erik Anderson Christopher Schulte wrote: > At 09:21 AM 9/20/2002 -0500, James Kaufman wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:02:12AM -0500, Eric Stanley wrote: >> > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain >> > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking >> > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked >> > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the >> > input. >> > >> > Eric >> >> I like godaddy.com for domain registration and zoneedit.com for dns. >> Low prices and good service. > > > Stay away from namebargain.com, which is the inexpensive > component of register.com. Their customer service is horrid. > It took over a week for a response on a simple host record > change request. Completely unacceptable. > > I'm moving all domains over to gkg.net. Thus far response > has been superb and the price is only marginally higher than > namebargain. Web based management with username > and password is standard with all their services. > >> -- >> Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net >> Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 >> public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 > > > -- > Christopher Schulte > christopher@schulte.org > http://www.schulte.org/ > > > na na nah > nah na na nah > -Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails, Halo 13, the day the world went > away > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 20 17:17:32 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1032551652.25008.15.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:24, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm looking for some removable storage, primarily for distro-isos. I > don't want to store them on the laptop, but I do want to keep them on > some removable device that I can plug into the laptop and transfer the > needed isos. Nows the hard part. I have a couple options that look > promising. > > 1. USB 2.0 hard drive [snip] > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. [snip] Sounds like you already have a FireWire port on your laptop. I think going with a 1394 drive is the way to go in that case. Look at http://www.linux1934.org/ They have a compatibility list.. I think most normal mass-storage devices (things that look and act mostly like hard drives) should be fine. Note that the bigger FireWire devices need an external power supply, while some of the smaller ones can just go on the power going over the 1394 cable. Sidenote: I saw a blurb on TechTV saying that while USB 2.0 theoretically has better bandwidth (480 vs 400Mbps), FireWire is still better in practice (almost twice as fast, from what I can recall). That might just be because FireWire has been around longer, though I'm curious if anyone in the group has had a chance to make a comparison. > Just wondering if anyone here has any advice for some removable storage > on a laptop, or just want to share some success/horror stories. Well, my Dell laptop has a media bay that can accept a CD/DVD drive, an IDE floppy of some kind, or a hard drive. I guess the hard drives I've seen aren't really made to be hot-pluggable (I'm not sure if they can be told to spin down), but I've had it work. The only problem I've seen is that the drive doesn't like to run in UDMA mode until I reboot with a drive in the bay.. (which sucks if I decide I want to slide in my DVD drive and watch a movie, since it makes playback really choppy). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define ENOHORSE /* Mount / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ failed */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020920/16f69c85/attachment.pgp From webmaster at aardvarko.com Fri Sep 20 19:44:03 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (Chris Combs) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <1032551652.25008.15.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: > told to spin down), but I've had it work. The only problem I've seen is > that the drive doesn't like to run in UDMA mode until I reboot with a > drive in the bay.. Have you tried "hdparm -d 1 /dev/yourhddbay" ? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 3:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] removable storage options From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 20 20:03:27 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations References: Message-ID: <002f01c260f5$f941faa0$0801a8c0@int.mnttkd.org> > > I use NetSol also, mainly because once upon a time they were the only > choice and I haven't registered anything recently. > > As for DNS services, depending on your TOS with your ISP, you may be able > to do your own DNS. > I used gkg.net to register my domain, then I host my own DNS. Shawn From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Sep 20 20:29:40 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <20020919012915.F15707@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <002401c2610c$f16316e0$290101c0@dccmn.com> The network guy I was working with told me that you can run CATV over a CAT5 pair with a balun. I wonder if it would also work with the satellite signal? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joel Schneider Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless network question On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid > pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. Pulling wire is fun. It might make more sense for you to run conduit on the outside of the house instead of going through the walls, though. As long as you're pulling Cat5, why not also pull some satellite grade coax: http://www.milestek.com/multimedia_cable.asp -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Sep 20 20:55:47 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <002401c2610c$f16316e0$290101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <003801c26110$9922c940$6462a8c0@slick> If you have an older house with lath and plaster, you probably have an old style chimney that's not being used. Maybe it's even roofed over like at my parents house. Run wire in it from the basement to each of the rooms on the first floor, then up to the attic to all of the rooms on the second floor from the top down. Pull it all into a couple of patch panels and instantly any room can be on any phone line and any room can be on the network. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] wireless network question The network guy I was working with told me that you can run CATV over a CAT5 pair with a balun. I wonder if it would also work with the satellite signal? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joel Schneider Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless network question On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:32:59PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Maybe I'm not doing the right thing --- I'm just trying to avoid > pulling wire through two stories of lath and plaster. Pulling wire is fun. It might make more sense for you to run conduit on the outside of the house instead of going through the walls, though. As long as you're pulling Cat5, why not also pull some satellite grade coax: http://www.milestek.com/multimedia_cable.asp -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 20 22:47:11 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1032579207.25008.21.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 19:23, Chris Combs wrote: > > told to spin down), but I've had it work. The only problem I've seen is > > that the drive doesn't like to run in UDMA mode until I reboot with a > > drive in the bay.. > > Have you tried "hdparm -d 1 /dev/yourhddbay" ? Yeah, it doesn't accept it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's a fine line between / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fishing and standing still. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thought I'd pass on the connect issue in case others ran into the same thing. Thanks for the help, Shawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Burlingame" > This will only work in a windows NT, 2k, XP environment. > > you must either log onto the win98 box with the username of the user on the > linux box OR use the 'username map=/path/to/map' (at least I think that is > the correct syntax) directive in the smb.conf file to alias a the username > you log in as on the win98 box to a valid user account on the linux box. and > dont forget to run 'smbpasswd -a '. > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 01:30:11 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla, xpdf and acroread In-Reply-To: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020919052004.GB12088@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020919095508.A16421@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:20:04AM -0500, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > After my last apt-get dist-upgrade on my Debian testing box, I ran into > a peculiar effect when attempting to view PDFs with mozilla. Even > though my preferences specifically say to view all PDFs using xpdf, > mozilla attempts to load acroread anyway (and acroread promptly crashes > or just quits, I'm not exactly sure). > > Uninstalling acroread seems to solve the problem, but I still wonder > why mozilla overrode my preferences like that. I've seen this in Mozilla 1.0, and I think what was happening is that Mozilla was picking the info from /etc/mailcap and using that to override the preferences. I don't see this problem in the more recent builds I have been using lately, though those builds are directly from mozilla.org. So I think that either the problem has been fixed, or it is specific to the Debian packaging of Mozilla. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Sep 21 08:40:34 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux Message-ID: <1032614696.3d8c732863ee7@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Came across this HOWTO and thought that it would make good group reading. It's great that this list includes a couple of women, but more would certainly be a benefit, both on and off list. http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html :Peter From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Sep 21 09:49:07 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux In-Reply-To: <1032614696.3d8c732863ee7@webmail.acad.bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:24:56AM -0500 References: <1032614696.3d8c732863ee7@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020921084055.C3718@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:24:56AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > Came across this HOWTO and thought that it would make good group reading. > It's great that this list includes a couple of women, but more would certainly > be a benefit, both on and off list. > http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html > :Peter While some of it was realistic, I found some of it biased against men, which is funny coming out of a HOWTO that's all about *not* being biased about women in computing. Shrug, more noise added to the chaos. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 10:52:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020920101707.034627a8@localhost> References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020920101707.034627a8@localhost> Message-ID: <1032622227.25008.57.camel@3po.dhs.org> Let's try this again.. I think my previous post must have been abducted to Bolivia or something: I've been thinking of getting a domain name for a while, but never had anywhere to host it. Do these companies being mentioned provide some of the more esoteric domain name services? In addition to the normal hostname/alias and MX record settings, I'd like to be able to play around with IPv6 records, host keys for IPSec, and other things.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Blessed are the pessimists, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for they make backups! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020921/891d17de/attachment.pgp From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sat Sep 21 11:35:00 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management Message-ID: <1032449426.2477.22.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Got a question on Job Management. I'm wondering how to set up a job to run on a remote machine, and keep running after a logout. e.g. I need to download the latest Linux ISOs from the net, but I can't do it on the laptop because I would have to stop/resume the download like crazy, and I don't know what I could use that would stop/resume a download after a reboot. So I would want to ssh/telnet to my server and do a "lynx -dump file_on_the_web > file &" (or something similar if there's a better way?). I've tried some tests but they've all failed to keep going: tree -d /usr > junk & logout junk stopped at only 4k. So my question is, how can I keep something running after I close my ssh/telnet connection? Chris Frederick From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Sep 21 12:14:11 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management In-Reply-To: <1032449426.2477.22.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>; from cdf123@cdf123.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 10:30:13AM -0500 References: <1032449426.2477.22.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020921115815.A11942@okane.localnet> man ncftp, specifically look at the bgget/bgstart options Chris Frederick wrote: > Got a question on Job Management. I'm wondering how to set up a job to > run on a remote machine, and keep running after a logout. > > e.g. I need to download the latest Linux ISOs from the net, but I can't > do it on the laptop because I would have to stop/resume the download > like crazy, and I don't know what I could use that would stop/resume a > download after a reboot. So I would want to ssh/telnet to my server and > do a "lynx -dump file_on_the_web > file &" (or something similar if > there's a better way?). > > I've tried some tests but they've all failed to keep going: > tree -d /usr > junk & > logout > junk stopped at only 4k. > > So my question is, how can I keep something running after I close my > ssh/telnet connection? > > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From webmaster at aardvarko.com Sat Sep 21 12:32:59 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (Chris Combs) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management In-Reply-To: <1032449426.2477.22.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: > Got a question on Job Management. I'm wondering how to set up a job to > run on a remote machine, and keep running after a logout. > Chris Frederick Uh, you asked us this on 9/20, and got several answers. "Keeping programs running" > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Frederick > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management From theixian at hotmail.com Sat Sep 21 12:33:49 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux References: <1032614696.3d8c732863ee7@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: It seems to me, I read this a long time ago, or something very similar. I came away feeling like I, all of a sudden, needed to be paranoid when dealing with women..... LB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux > Came across this HOWTO and thought that it would make good group reading. > It's great that this list includes a couple of women, but more would certainly > be a benefit, both on and off list. > http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 13:18:50 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1032631477.25159.59.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 12:07, Chris Combs wrote: > Uh, you asked us this on 9/20, and got several answers. "Keeping programs > running" The message is dated 9/19, so it must have gotten stuck in a queue somewhere. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Sorry, Try Again. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020921/f247c3c2/attachment.pgp From webmaster at aardvarko.com Sat Sep 21 13:39:47 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (Chris Combs) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management In-Reply-To: <1032631477.25159.59.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: > The message is dated 9/19, so it must have gotten stuck in a queue > somewhere. Apologies - crappy mail program displays date received, not timestamp on message. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Sep 21 16:51:52 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine References: Message-ID: <002b01c25ffd$af286560$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> Actually, I did try just that very thing. I set up a user on my 98 and Me boxes that is identical to the one on the samba machine. Still no go. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hoffoss To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba on a linux machine When I spent time networking Win98 and Win2K boxes, in order for the 98's to access a share on the 2K server, the server had to have a user created for each 98 user, and the username has to be the same as in win98. This is the same as someone else said on the list, but I think you misinterpreted what they said when you tried switching to Client for MS Networks. No matter how you log on, whether it's locally, to a domain, whatever, you've only got one username, so that username has to be present on the Samba box in order to gain access. Rather, that is what I think is going on here, from what I've read. I can't say for sure though, as I have not worked much at all with Samba. Hope this helps though. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I would want to ssh/telnet to my server and > do a "lynx -dump file_on_the_web > file &" (or something similar if > there's a better way?). I would have tried using background mode in ncftp, which has always worked very well for me. > > I've tried some tests but they've all failed to keep going: > tree -d /usr > junk & > logout > junk stopped at only 4k. Is this related to the earlier question about the use of nohup? What happens to jobs when you log out depends on which shell you use, configuration of that shell and use of nohup. From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Sep 21 17:39:14 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <003801c26110$9922c940$6462a8c0@slick> References: <002401c2610c$f16316e0$290101c0@dccmn.com> <003801c26110$9922c940$6462a8c0@slick> Message-ID: <15756.60733.764919.38156@tsathoggua.mydomain> BN writes: > If you have an older house with lath and plaster, you probably have an > old style chimney that's not being used. Maybe it's even roofed over > like at my parents house. Run wire in it from the basement to each of > the rooms on the first floor, then up to the attic to all of the rooms > on the second floor from the top down. Thanks. That would probably work for many old houses. Turns out that my chimney IS in use. Worse, there's no space around it and there's no plumbing to the third floor. So anything I was to do looks like it would be drastic. I had a wiring contractor come and take a look. Back to 802.11b! This seems like a pretty good time to say Many, many, thanks to all of you for the information and the thoughtful and helpful words. Best, R From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Sat Sep 21 19:19:55 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crossover Plugin broken Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5EF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> My plugins are/is broken. When I run ./pluginsetup I get an error that says unable to get info about installed DLL's. I am trying to run the qt. Also when I try to start Windows Media player, it won't start. I also try to do a ps -e to see if any programs start that would involved wine and I don't see anything. Anyone know how to fix crossover so that when ./pluginsetup is started, it will run. TIA John Miller From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Sep 21 19:26:01 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15756.60733.764919.38156@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> How about a heat duct... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of rpgoldman@real-time.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] wireless network question BN writes: > If you have an older house with lath and plaster, you probably have an > old style chimney that's not being used. Maybe it's even roofed over > like at my parents house. Run wire in it from the basement to each of > the rooms on the first floor, then up to the attic to all of the rooms > on the second floor from the top down. Thanks. That would probably work for many old houses. Turns out that my chimney IS in use. Worse, there's no space around it and there's no plumbing to the third floor. So anything I was to do looks like it would be drastic. I had a wiring contractor come and take a look. Back to 802.11b! This seems like a pretty good time to say Many, many, thanks to all of you for the information and the thoughtful and helpful words. Best, R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Sat Sep 21 20:14:03 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <15756.60733.764919.38156@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <002401c2610c$f16316e0$290101c0@dccmn.com> <003801c26110$9922c940$6462a8c0@slick> <15756.60733.764919.38156@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1032656363.26019.2.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 17:05, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Thanks. That would probably work for many old houses. Turns out that > my chimney IS in use. Worse, there's no space around it and there's > no plumbing to the third floor. So anything I was to do looks like it > would be drastic. I had a wiring contractor come and take a look. > > Back to 802.11b! > > This seems like a pretty good time to say > If you have warm air heat, use the heating ducts. That's what I did, from basement to second floor, with a patch panel and hub in the basement. Network/phone in every room now. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sat Sep 21 20:58:41 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crossover Plugin broken In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5EF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5EF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020922013828.GA15122@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 06:34:51PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > My plugins are/is broken. When I run ./pluginsetup I get an error that says unable to get info about installed DLL's. > > I am trying to run the qt. Also when I try to start Windows Media player, it won't start. > > I also try to do a ps -e to see if any programs start that would involved wine and I don't see anything. > > Anyone know how to fix crossover so that when ./pluginsetup is started, it will run. > > TIA > John Miller The most likely cause for this problem is the FreeType library. The best solution is probably to upgrade as described at the following URL: http://crossover.codeweavers.com/docs/plugin/html/techsupport.html#UPGRADE Failing that you can also solve the problem by following the steps described at: http://crossover.codeweavers.com/docs/plugin/html/techsupport.html#FREETYPE -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Sep 21 21:13:03 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question References: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> > How about a heat duct... > Re: heat ducts and wiring. There are code restrictions on wiring in air passages. Some insulation gives of nasty toxic smoke when heated, say like in a fire. A sad fact - many people who might have otherwise survived a fire die due to smoke inhalation. Not all wire give off toxic fumes but you can't tell what kind you have just by looking at it. Easy rule - Don't run wire in air ducts. Mark Browne From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Sep 21 21:26:36 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: References: <15753.17771.752289.810839@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <15754.5951.942553.90279@tsathoggua.mydomain> Nate Carlson writes: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I realize that this is a stupid question, but is there an Orinoco that > > is just a PCI card? Or do I have to buy the $50-odd network card + a > > 50-odd PCI adapter for each desktop I have? Seems not just expensive > > but kludgy. > > Not orinoco that I know of, but Linksys has one.. and you can get 'em > pretty cheap, too. $70 at Amazon.. it's the Linksys WMP11. OK, I'm puzzled. Why would anyone pay the $50 + 50 for a more cumbersome Orinoco solution instead of $50 - 60 for a linksys? > > > Ouch. For two desktops + an access point, pulling wire is starting to > > look competitive. Even at electrician's rates $700 or so buys a > > reasonable amount of wire-pulling. > > $700? You must be looking at Cisco gear. :) Yup. Cisco and Orinoco both seem to be about $500 for the WAP. And the Linksys seems to be about $100. MUCH more reasonable. > > If you go Linksys, it'll be around $120 for the AP, and $70 for each card. > A bit more reasonable.. > > > Could always do phoneline networking, but it's lame. > > Really, I usually recommend wiring as much as you can.. makes life a lot > easier in the future. Plus, then you get 100mb.. of course, I also like my > wireless network, 'cuz I can walk around anywhere I want with my laptop. I > don't think I'd ever put a desktop on wireless unless it was the last > resort, though. It might be the last resort. My house was built in 1911. Everytime I show an electrician the house they wince and shake their heads sadly. I love these old, solid, lath and plaster walls, but compared to wallboard, they're a nightmare for wiring. The space between every pair of laths seems to offer a new opportunity for plaster to glob through and snag wires. Anyway, waiting for a wiring quote. If it's less than the wireless hardware, I'm there.... It's possible that what I want is more like bridging mode, so I can have a network that covers both my third floor and my first floor, through a wireless bridge, and have cables within each floor..... From wilson at visi.com Sat Sep 21 21:38:03 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20020922021814.GA10420@isis.visi.com> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:10:03PM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > > How about a heat duct... > > > Re: heat ducts and wiring. > There are code restrictions on wiring in air passages. > Some insulation gives of nasty toxic smoke when heated, say like in a fire. I believe you have to get plenum cable if you plan to run it through a vent system. It's more expensive, but I think the plenum coating doesn't produce the nasty fumes when burned. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 21:38:28 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question References: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3D8D28AC.3050200@tc.umn.edu> > > >Easy rule - Don't run wire in air ducts. > > If you get the more expensive "plenum" CAT5 cable you should be able to run it through a duct, or plenum, as it were. I would go to the city desk at Viking Electric and ask the guys there, they can usually give you recommendations on meeting code requirements. They also have some pretty schweet products. For example, they have bundled cable that contains 1 coax, 2 CAT5, and 2 fiber optic. That stuff is heaven sent when you're pulling wire through tight spaces, and it's nice to know that you're set for fiber if that ever becomes the next wiring standard. Good luck! EM From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 21:38:53 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet over 1394 Message-ID: <1032661178.1607.29.camel@3po.dhs.org> Has anyone played with Ethernet over 1394? Does it speak the same language as WinXP boxes do? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ This will be a memorable / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ month -- no matter how hard \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) you try to forget it. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The magic $DISPLAY setting is actually "null:0.0". *feeling very embarrassed* Sorry for wasting all your time. -----Original Message----- From: Madoerin, Jason [mailto:jason.madoerin@lmco.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:42 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Null Display? Sorry for the newbie question, but is there a null display setting for the $DISPLAY env variable? I want to do the equivalent of: >xclock -display null:0.0 Or >export DISPLAY=null:0.0 >xclock & Where the above would make the display manager think it is bringing up xclock on a perfectly good display that is the equivalent of /dev/null. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020921/d04ccf7e/attachment.html From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 21 23:49:04 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Null Display? In-Reply-To: <8A67750E6D91D411A67100508BF96FBA0798C2AD@emss09m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Madoerin, Jason wrote: > Any ideas? I can't find anything on google. Well, there is the whole Virtual Frame Buffer thing.... -Yaron -- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 23:53:45 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey does anyone know of a floppy dist of linux for a hand held pen based pc. Basically I want to use it as an mp3 player. It has a mobile pentium 120, 2.1 gig hd, and 24 megs of ram. There is an optional keyboard and an external floppy drive. Thanks Colin Kilbane From theixian at hotmail.com Sun Sep 22 01:31:31 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy References: Message-ID: tom's root boot? http://www.toms.net/rb/ not sure if that is what you are looking for or not... sounds like this is sort of a notebook type thing? if it is a hand held you can try linuxdevices.com to see if someone has ported it to your embedded device yet... anyway, hope that helps. LB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kilbane" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy > Hey does anyone know of a floppy dist of linux for a hand held pen based > pc. Basically I want to use it as an mp3 player. It has a mobile pentium > 120, 2.1 gig hd, and 24 megs of ram. There is an optional keyboard and an > external floppy drive. > > Thanks > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 22 09:38:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 11:39:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020922090509.M22100@real-time.com> Quoting Colin Kilbane (colin@tyr.med.umn.edu): > Hey does anyone know of a floppy dist of linux for a hand held pen based > pc. Basically I want to use it as an mp3 player. It has a mobile pentium > 120, 2.1 gig hd, and 24 megs of ram. There is an optional keyboard and an > external floppy drive. peewee linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Sep 22 13:11:31 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: "Mark Browne" writes: > > How about a heat duct... > > > Re: heat ducts and wiring. > There are code restrictions on wiring in air passages. > Some insulation gives of nasty toxic smoke when heated, say like in a fire. > A sad fact - many people who might have otherwise survived a fire die due to > smoke inhalation. > Not all wire give off toxic fumes but you can't tell what kind you have just > by looking at it. > Easy rule - Don't run wire in air ducts. Get plenum-rated cable to run in heat ducts. It's more expensive, but the cost of the actual cable isn't a big part of the total. It's widely available. And you can easily identify it by looking at it -- look for where it says it's plenum-rated. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Sep 22 22:34:40 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> References: <15756.60733.764919.38156@tsathoggua.mydomain> <002a01c261cb$7b3ac660$290101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <15758.34676.327763.129748@tsathoggua.mydomain> Wayne Johnson writes: > How about a heat duct... Hot water heat.... :-> R From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Sep 22 22:58:22 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: <20020922090509.M22100@real-time.com> Message-ID: actually I dont care if it comes on 20 disks or I guess I could do a network install off of a network card. but I dont know exactally how to do that. The other thing I am looking for is either a window manager or a graphical interface for a mp3 player to run on it. Colin From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Sep 22 23:51:28 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless network question In-Reply-To: <002b01c261dd$29f6c4e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <000201c26264$147bbb20$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> What you want to use is teflon coated wire. You can tell by the fact that it's almost impossible to strip. It's also more expensive to buy. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Browne Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 9:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless network question > How about a heat duct... > Re: heat ducts and wiring. There are code restrictions on wiring in air passages. Some insulation gives of nasty toxic smoke when heated, say like in a fire. A sad fact - many people who might have otherwise survived a fire die due to smoke inhalation. Not all wire give off toxic fumes but you can't tell what kind you have just by looking at it. Easy rule - Don't run wire in air ducts. Mark Browne _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Sep 23 09:27:04 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > actually I dont care if it comes on 20 disks or I guess I could do a > network install off of a network card. but I dont know exactally how to do > that. The other thing I am looking for is either a window manager or a > graphical interface for a mp3 player to run on it. if you need to use X, blackbox is the wm to use, (blackboxwm.sf.net) as for good old command line utils for MP3s, mpg123(or mpg321) to the best of my knowledge, it does not do playlists, that is why i always created a directory called playlist and made a whole bunch of symlinks to the mp3s that i wanted Munir Nassar From nate at refried.org Mon Sep 23 10:34:27 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020923145759.GB12880@refried.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:01:50AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > actually I dont care if it comes on 20 disks or I guess I could do a > > network install off of a network card. but I dont know exactally how to do > > that. The other thing I am looking for is either a window manager or a > > graphical interface for a mp3 player to run on it. > > if you need to use X, blackbox is the wm to use, (blackboxwm.sf.net) > > as for good old command line utils for MP3s, mpg123(or mpg321) > > to the best of my knowledge, it does not do playlists, that is why i > always created a directory called playlist and made a whole bunch of > symlinks to the mp3s that i wanted I use a playlist daemon called moosic which works pretty well. It's written in Python so it's easily hackable. I keep 1500+ songs in the playlist and it only takes up 2M of ram. I'd prefer something that automatically recycles songs, but since I only have to restart it every other week, I don't care yet. :) http://nanoo.org/~daniel/moosic/ Nate From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Mon Sep 23 10:48:06 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo install with Compaq SCSI controller Message-ID: I asked about this in #tclug but no one there really knew, but I figured I would ask here as well. The short of it is I attempted installing Gentoo Linux on a [non-Compaq] PC with a Compaq Smart-2SL SCSI controller (4x18.2 GB in RAID0 array, created prior to beginning installation in Windows using Compaq's utility). I did modprobe sr_mod, sd_mod, cpqarray. After doing this, there are no /dev/sd* devices listed, but I get /dev/ida/c0d0 and /dev/rd/0. When I fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0, it gives me "you will not be able to write the partition table", then "Unable to read /dev/ida/c0d0" and exits. fdisk /dev/rd/* (contains rd0-rd15 and initrd) lets me into fdisk, tells me sector size is 1024, not 512 (I think it's actually 128, maybe 512 though) and shows the geometry as 1 head, 22000 sectors, 1 cylinder, so if I create one partition, it ends up being the full amount, since there is only one cylinder. If this doesn't work, I'm just scrapping it and I'll throw the RAID stuff in a windows box, but I'd like to utilize it here if I can. So if anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.-John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't get a chance to head to the State Fair this year and hunt down the canidates to see where they stand on issues that would generally affect the linux/open sourse community as a whole. Such as the DMCA DRM P2P and all those fun digital rights problems out there. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or even know where the local canidates sit on some of these issues? I personally don't and would like to have some idea before I step into a voting booth. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Sep 23 12:49:05 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time Message-ID: <7ff03557013ea807d2@[172.29.97.10]> > Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or even know where the > local canidates > sit on some of these issues? > I'd like to find out what they think re: vi vs emacs best programming language best linux distro Actually, I doubt most of them know about those issues. IPC MCMXCVII-MMII From dante at plethora.net Mon Sep 23 13:39:56 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time In-Reply-To: <0209231125262H.13023@Dingo> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Mike Nielsen wrote: > It's getting about that time for the masses to head to the polls and decide > who is going to make policy in this nifty keen nation of ours. > > I didn't get a chance to head to the State Fair this year and hunt down the > canidates to see where they stand on issues that would generally affect the > linux/open sourse community as a whole. > > Such as the DMCA DRM P2P and all those fun digital rights problems out > there. > > Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or even know where the local canidates > sit on some of these issues? > AFAICT both the major Senate candidates are for the DMCA and DRM. They are business friendly, so Coleman would be for them, and Wellstone voted for the Senate verion of the DMCA(who knows why?!). I am not sure where anyone else stands on restoring the public domain to the public. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From cjc at dobbz.com Mon Sep 23 18:56:02 2002 From: cjc at dobbz.com (Christopher J. Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time In-Reply-To: <0209231125262H.13023@Dingo> Message-ID: For Governor: Tim Pawlenty was the Chief Author of the Internet Privacy Bill which would make spammers put ADV in the subject (ADV-ADULT for adult mailings) and impose some pretty impressive fines for those that didn't. Bunch of other stuff making it illegal for ISP's to sell your info, etc. I don't know where the other candidates stand on this, just came across Pawlenty's stand earlier today while doing a bit of research. -cjc Links: http://ww3.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?district=38B http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/perl/billsum.pl?fname=HF3625&session=82&ses sion_number=0&year=2002 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Nielsen Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time It's getting about that time for the masses to head to the polls and decide who is going to make policy in this nifty keen nation of ours. I didn't get a chance to head to the State Fair this year and hunt down the canidates to see where they stand on issues that would generally affect the linux/open sourse community as a whole. Such as the DMCA DRM P2P and all those fun digital rights problems out there. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or even know where the local canidates sit on some of these issues? I personally don't and would like to have some idea before I step into a voting booth. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Sep 23 21:35:07 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo install with Compaq SCSI controller In-Reply-To: ; from HoffossJ@facm.umn.edu on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:23:07AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020923231458.H15707@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:23:07AM -0500, John Hoffoss wrote: > The short of it is I attempted installing > Gentoo Linux on a [non-Compaq] PC with a Compaq Smart-2SL SCSI > controller (4x18.2 GB in RAID0 array, created prior to beginning > installation in Windows using Compaq's utility). I did modprobe sr_mod, > sd_mod, cpqarray. After doing this, there are no /dev/sd* devices > listed, but I get /dev/ida/c0d0 and /dev/rd/0. When I fdisk > /dev/ida/c0d0, it gives me "you will not be able to write the partition > table", then "Unable to read /dev/ida/c0d0" and exits. fdisk /dev/rd/* > (contains rd0-rd15 and initrd) lets me into fdisk, tells me sector size > is 1024, not 512 (I think it's actually 128, maybe 512 though) and shows > the geometry as 1 head, 22000 sectors, 1 cylinder, so if I create one > partition, it ends up being the full amount, since there is only one > cylinder. If this doesn't work, I'm just scrapping it and I'll throw the > RAID stuff in a windows box, but I'd like to utilize it here if I can. > So if anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.-John I'm not sure what a Compaq Smart-2SL is and I haven't yet tried Gentoo, but I did once put together some notes on how to install Debian on a Compaq ProLiant 1500 (has SMART array controller, P/N 181132) that might be of some, possibly little, help: http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html When setting up the ProLiant, I found Richard Black's "Compaq Servers and Linux: site to be an excellent resource: http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/ Compaq's web site also tends to be pretty useful: http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/linux/optionsmatrix_old.html Based on the above options matrix from Compaq's site, it looks like the Smart-2SL controller is supported by the cpqarray driver (same as the SMART controller in my ProLiant). That driver has its own major device numbers reserved in the linux kernel: /dev/ida/c0d0, etc. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 23 22:31:46 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 Message-ID: <20020923190556.O32094@real-time.com> Anyone running apache 2.0 ? I've reading all the "press" from the Apache group (almost) begging people to move to 2.0. Myself, like lots of other people are waiting. Mostly because I have 3rd party apps that won't work with 2.0. Anyone running 2.0 and willing to speak at a monthly meeting? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Sep 23 22:32:20 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trendnet 303 linux-compatible? In-Reply-To: <15759.16189.274819.16674@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:20:13AM -0500 References: <15759.16189.274819.16674@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020923211518.G3718@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:20:13AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > GNS has Trendnet TEW-303PI 22Mbps Wireless PCI Network Card for about > the same price as a linksys that offers only 11Mbps. > > But I can't figure out (and google hasn't helped) whether the 22Mbps > cards are compatible with linux. Anyone tried it? > None of the 22mbit cards are supported yet, rumours are that a driver is in the works. > Thanks! > R -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 23 22:32:59 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 8.0 is out Message-ID: <20020923222754.D11476@real-time.com> ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/redhat/linux/ > dir drwxr-xr-x 4 ftp ftp 4096 Jul 13 10:29 6.2 drwxr-xr-x 3 ftp ftp 4096 Jul 16 22:13 7.2 drwxr-xr-x 3 ftp ftp 4096 Jul 16 22:13 7.3 drwx------ 3 ftp ftp 4096 Sep 24 2002 8.0 The bits have not been official released, but 8.0 is going to be officially out tommorrow (09/24). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Sep 24 07:56:00 2002 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xdcmp refuse problem with GDM Message-ID: <3D905DD3.8030404@structural-wood.com> I'm using gdm to manage displays for about 50 thin clients, and have been doing so for quite a while. Yesterday morning a *lot* (but not all) of the thin clients did not have login screens, and looking at my logs I'm finding the following for the clients that are not working. Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: pending=17, MaxPending=18, sessions=-2144, MaxSessions=100 Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (opussm:0) Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_display_dispose: Disposing opussm:0 Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for opussm:0 Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up network access Sep 24 07:23:28 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for opussm:0 - 1 entries Sep 24 07:23:29 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=opussm:0, session id=1032871746, pending=17 Sep 24 07:23:29 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 192.168.164.143 with SessionID=1032871746 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=1032871740 from 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Failed to look up session id 1032871740 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_send_refuse: Sending REFUSE to 1032871740 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 192.168.164.143 not found Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=1032871740 from 192.168.164.143 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Failed to look up session id 1032871740 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_xdmcp_send_refuse: Sending REFUSE to 1032871740 Sep 24 07:23:32 brinn gdm[984]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 192.168.164.143 not found On the thin client side I'm seeing Sep 24 07:17:04 Xserver: Enabling MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authorization Sep 24 07:17:04 Xserver: xdmcp: sending MANAGE packet to 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:06 Xserver: xdmcp: receive ACCEPT packet from host 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:06 Xserver: xdmcp: sending MANAGE packet to 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:08 Xserver: xdmcp: receive REFUSE packet from host 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:08 Xserver: xdmcp: sending START_CONNECTION packet to 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:10 Xserver: xdmcp: sending START_CONNECTION packet to 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:11 Xserver: xdmcp: receive REFUSE packet from host 192.168.164.34 Sep 24 07:17:13 Xserver: xdmcp: receive ACCEPT packet from host 192.168.164.34 I see Chad Walstrom posted this exact problem to a debian list a couple of years ago, but it doesn't appear that anyone replied. I've made some changes to the file system recently, but none of them 'feel' relevant to this problem. Obviously I could be wrong, but in the interest of brevity (too late for that probably) I won't detail them in this post. Any help? Thanks, Kent From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 24 09:48:08 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20020923190556.O32094@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I've reading all the "press" from the Apache group (almost) begging people to > move to 2.0. I've seen the huge debate on /. going on about 3rd party apps. AFAIK, PHP hasn't released a stable version that will run on Apache 2.0, the only 2.0 ready version is still in CVS. I'd like to go to 2.0, since I run most of the standard stuff (Perl, mySQL, PHP) but if they don't even have PHP ported, what's the point? Does anyone know if there's a PHP-Apache 2.0 HOWTO out there? -Brian From bneigebauer at attbi.com Tue Sep 24 17:47:11 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20020923190556.O32094@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005601c26419$a7ba2730$6462a8c0@slick> I am running Apache 2.0.39 on Windows 2000. It is pretty damned fast. Especially with PHP as a module (experimental). I tried PGP as CGI and it was SLOW. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 Importance: High Anyone running apache 2.0 ? I've reading all the "press" from the Apache group (almost) begging people to move to 2.0. Myself, like lots of other people are waiting. Mostly because I have 3rd party apps that won't work with 2.0. Anyone running 2.0 and willing to speak at a monthly meeting? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 24 18:41:35 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TurboPrint Message-ID: <200209241815.21852.list@slushpupie.com> Has anyone had any experiences with TurboPrint? Its a non-free print system for linux that touts better printer support. Just wondering if this is worth the $20. Their site is at: http://www.turboprint.de/english.html Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 24 22:55:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet Message-ID: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com> New greyhatpak is out. I added kismet. Available via apt-get install greyhatpak apt-get install kismet (optionally) kismet-kde kistmet-festival Get the sources.list from here: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list These rpms are different then the official RPMs. First, nothing is setuid root, -but- you must run them as root. I hate setuid root things. Thanks to poptix and #kismet I was able to make it all work without setuid root on the binaries. Second, I added a simple shell script /usr/bin/start_kismet, that run as root will get you up and going. Third, file locations are FHS compliant. Fourth, people may not like it, but I made sudo a requirement for this package. I don't like doing anything except admin as root, so I sudo /usr/bin/start_kismet. I'm still working on gpsdrive (some X deps to work out). I'll release another kismet with gps integration as soon as I get the bugs worked out. * Mon Sep 23 2002 Bob Tanner + greyhatpak-0.2-realtime.1 - added kismet -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020924/8b4a8814/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 25 00:27:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:46:04PM -0500 References: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:46:04PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > New greyhatpak is out. I added kismet. > [snip] > First, nothing is setuid root, -but- you must run them as root. I hate setuid > root things. Thanks to poptix and #kismet I was able to make it all work without > setuid root on the binaries. > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: [root@tranq bin]# ls -l kismet* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2028 Sep 18 08:04 kismet -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 540476 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_curses -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 46604 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_hopper -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5168 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_monitor -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4061 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_unmonitor you have to start it as root because it puts the interface into promiscious mode. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 25 07:59:34 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: > > [root@tranq bin]# ls -l kismet* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2028 Sep 18 08:04 kismet > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 540476 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_curses > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 46604 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_hopper > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5168 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_monitor > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4061 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_unmonitor Are you contradicting yourself that quickly, or did you make kismet_server setuid root yourself? Jima From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Sep 25 08:58:01 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trendnet 303 linux-compatible? In-Reply-To: <20020923211518.G3718@techmonkeys.org> References: <15759.16189.274819.16674@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020923211518.G3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <15761.48263.776310.440063@tsathoggua.mydomain> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:20:13AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > > GNS has Trendnet TEW-303PI 22Mbps Wireless PCI Network Card for about > > the same price as a linksys that offers only 11Mbps. > > > > But I can't figure out (and google hasn't helped) whether the 22Mbps > > cards are compatible with linux. Anyone tried it? > > > > None of the 22mbit cards are supported yet, rumours are that a driver is > in the works. Thanks for the advice. Are the 22Mbit devices the pre-802.11g devices I'm reading about? I understood that g was going to be 22Mb, and that vendors were starting to develop the devices without waiting for the standard to be finalized.... R From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 25 09:12:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:07:43PM -0600 References: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com> <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020925080607.H20596@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: (* sigh *) In the official .spec from cvs: %attr(4755,root,root) /usr/bin/kismet_server That is setuid root. I even talked on #kismet and main developer said it should be setuid root. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 25 09:12:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:07:43PM -0600 References: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com> <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020925080710.I20596@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: > > [root@tranq bin]# ls -l kismet* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2028 Sep 18 08:04 kismet > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 540476 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_curses > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 46604 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_hopper > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5168 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_monitor > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server ^^^^ ^^^^ YOURS -is- setuid root. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 25 09:13:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:28:39AM -0500 References: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020925080744.J20596@real-time.com> Quoting Jima (jima@beer.tclug.org): > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: > > > > [root@tranq bin]# ls -l kismet* > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2028 Sep 18 08:04 kismet > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 540476 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_curses > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 46604 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_hopper > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5168 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_monitor > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4061 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_unmonitor > > Are you contradicting yourself that quickly, or did you make > kismet_server setuid root yourself? Oops. Jima caught it first. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 25 09:14:14 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:28:39AM -0500 References: <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020925070822.L3718@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:28:39AM -0500, Jima wrote: > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server > Are you contradicting yourself that quickly, or did you make > kismet_server setuid root yourself? erk! *looks for the developer who said he wasn't ever going to do that* i'll post a followup. > > Jima -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US Wed Sep 25 09:29:48 2002 From: troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trendnet 303 linux-compatible? Message-ID: I thought the "g" spec was going to be the same top speed as "a", just backward compatible (falling back) with "b". Is this correct? I honestly don't know for sure, my info is single sourced. >>> rpgoldman@real-time.com 09/25/02 08:39AM >>> Thanks for the advice. Are the 22Mbit devices the pre-802.11g devices I'm reading about? I understood that g was going to be 22Mb, and that vendors were starting to develop the devices without waiting for the standard to be finalized.... From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 25 11:18:38 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trendnet 303 linux-compatible? In-Reply-To: <15761.48263.776310.440063@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:39:19AM -0500 References: <15759.16189.274819.16674@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020923211518.G3718@techmonkeys.org> <15761.48263.776310.440063@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020925095210.M3718@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:39:19AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Are the 22Mbit devices the pre-802.11g devices > I'm reading about? I understood that g was going to be 22Mb, and that > vendors were starting to develop the devices without waiting for the > standard to be finalized.... Actually the 22mbit devices are 802.11b devices with a special Ti chipset that allows them to do 22mbit, I suppose it could be called a pre-802.11g device though, i'm not sure if the 22mbit devices meet the other 802.11g specs though. > > R -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 25 12:00:03 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020925080607.H20596@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:06:07AM -0500 References: <20020924224604.L11476@real-time.com> <20020924230743.K3718@techmonkeys.org> <20020925080607.H20596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020925103431.N3718@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:06:07AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > > Nothing has ever been, or ever will be setuid in the kismet distribution: > > (* sigh *) > > In the official .spec from cvs: > > %attr(4755,root,root) /usr/bin/kismet_server > > That is setuid root. I even talked on #kismet and main developer said it should > be setuid root. > You realize you replied 3 times, after jima =P I'm going to talk to the developer, he had previously stated that he was very much against any setuid setup, so I'm curious about this too. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 26 03:31:37 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kismet + gpsdrive Message-ID: <20020926004446.O11476@real-time.com> As promised, I have made packages to make using kismet and gpsdrive as easy as possible. 2 new(?) packages for kismet. kismet-festival (did I already talk about this) will integrate text-2-speech with kismet. I'm very impressed with the quality. There is a slight bug in kismet, but I've talked to the main developer and he put a patch into cvs already (gotta love open source). kismet-gps is what you need to get things to work with gpsdrive. Add some silly .wav for gps lock and unlock. For the quick install # apt-get install kismet-gps Changelog: * Fri Sep 20 2002 Bob Tanner + kismet-20020922CVS-realtime.2 - added gps lock and unlock wav files With this release of the kismet rpm comes a new gpsdrive rpm. You'll need this if you want to track NEMA data with in kismet. %changelog * Fri Sep 26 2002 Bob Tanner + gpsdrive-1.26-realtime.2 - added init script for starting gpsdrive at boot time, by default it's off - added sysconfig/gpsdrive for passing option to gpsd Please let me know if there are any issues with either of this rpms. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020926/0abe1e83/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 26 23:43:05 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak, added kismet In-Reply-To: <20020925070822.L3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:28:39AM -0500, Jima wrote: > > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 387864 Sep 18 08:04 kismet_server > > > Are you contradicting yourself that quickly, or did you make > > kismet_server setuid root yourself? > > erk! > > *looks for the developer who said he wasn't ever going to do that* make sure the said developer updates the documentation and README files as well because it is stated in there as well. (too busy to look for the exact location atm) Munir Nassar From jhawley at bgea.org Fri Sep 27 15:13:32 2002 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some web sites unacessable Message-ID: <1033151925.975.13.camel@maximus> Did something change in the kernel between 2.4.17 and 18 concerning ICMP fragmentation? I've been noticing (and getting complaints from local users) that some web sites are unaccessable. Sounds like the problem of some ISP's / routers not allowing ICMP fragmentation packets. I checked some of my firewalls and the problem appears to show up on kernels 2.4.18 and higher. Anyway, the work around according to kernel documentation is to add this line to the iptables rule set: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN \ -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu This does appear to work for clients behind the firewall going to the Net. However, this does not fix the problem for the fw box itself. Anyone else run into this and find a fix? -- John Hawley BGEA / Info Tech Svcs 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sat Sep 28 02:32:45 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 on Gladiator? Message-ID: <0a0c41312011c92FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Can we get Mandrake 9.0 mirrored on Gladiator? I've been trying to grab it from random mirrors for a couple days no with no success. Thanks, - Jared From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 28 11:27:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 on Gladiator? In-Reply-To: <0a0c41312011c92FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com>; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 08:14:29PM -0500 References: <0a0c41312011c92FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020928110027.G4585@real-time.com> Quoting Jared (jared-linux@mn.rr.com): > Can we get Mandrake 9.0 mirrored on Gladiator? I've been trying to grab it > from random mirrors for a couple days no with no success. I sent request to them, got a response asking if we have enough disk space, responded, just silence now. I'll ping them again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Sep 28 11:28:37 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Enroll through O'Reilly by the September 30th deadline! OOPS: wrong URL Message-ID: <000a01c26709$6bafb8c0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Here's the right URL http://www.useractive.com/oreilly > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Cole [mailto:cncole@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:24 PM > > FYI.. these 4 online courses by O'Reilly lead to certificate > and CEUs from U IL for linux.. I think these are much better > than Red Hat's courses - and much cheaper (been there, done > some of that)! (I have nothing to gain by suggesting this) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tricia Mills Gray [mailto:billing@useractive.com] > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:09 PM > To: cncole@earthlink.net > Subject: Enroll through O'Reilly by the September 30th deadline! > > > > Hello, > > I noticed that you have enrolled in at least one (online) course in > a University of Illinois Certificate series through UserActive. > Good for you! You are on your way to gaining highly-coveted > skillsets in the job market. > > If you have not yet enrolled for the four-course Linux/Unix > System Administration series, the instructions for enrolling > in subsequent courses have been copied at the bottom of this > email for your convenience. > > This is just a friendly reminder that September 30th is the LAST > DAY to receive the special O'Reilly 50% discount price of $249 > for each Linux/Unix course. > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Sat Sep 28 14:28:47 2002 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 on Gladiator? References: <0a0c41312011c92FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3D95FF23.9070609@mn.rr.com> I grabbed it here: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/iso/ Jared wrote: >Can we get Mandrake 9.0 mirrored on Gladiator? I've been trying to grab it >from random mirrors for a couple days no with no success. > >Thanks, >- Jared >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 28 19:09:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake mirror Message-ID: <20020928185756.H20409@real-time.com> We are an official mandrake mirror. I'm rsyncing now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sat Sep 28 21:11:47 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake mirror In-Reply-To: <20020928185756.H20409@real-time.com> References: <20020928185756.H20409@real-time.com> Message-ID: Awesome. Thanks, Bob. - Jared On Saturday 28 September 2002 06:57 pm, you wrote: > We are an official mandrake mirror. I'm rsyncing now. From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 29 15:55:51 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing Message-ID: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> There is something very wrong with the mail server. I'm not sure what it is. I see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not getting them in my inbox. I see the logs show delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 So, it's not being delay too long. Anyone have any ideas? Sent this 09/29/2002 at 15:30 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 29 16:22:11 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> References: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020929210645.GA2161@iucha.net> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:29:46PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > There is something very wrong with the mail server. I'm not sure what it is. I > see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not getting them in my inbox. > > I see the logs show > > delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 > > So, it's not being delay too long. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Sent this 09/29/2002 at 15:30 Got it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020929/5cde9516/attachment.pgp From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Sun Sep 29 17:08:48 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: Proftpd unable to determine ip Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5F5@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I sent this at 10:05 this am and have not seen it posted so I am reposting it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Miller, John Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 10:05 AM To: TCLUG List Cc: Subject: Proftpd unable to determine ip I am trying to get proftpd working. When I start it by typing proftpd it comes back and says "unable to determine ip address of 'dhcp-112-156'" which I beleive is the name that is assigned to me by ATTBI. I have had proftp working in the past but have reloaded my system since then so this is a new install. I am running RH7.2. I have done a google search without much luck. I believe the solution is to tell proftp the ip address but I have not figured out how to do it. I would appreciate any help with this. TIA John Miller From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 29 18:21:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: Proftpd unable to determine ip In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5F5@MAIL4.corp.isib.net>; from John.Miller@rbcdain.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 04:49:23PM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5F5@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020929180002.A23910@real-time.com> Quoting Miller, John (John.Miller@rbcdain.com): > I sent this at 10:05 this am and have not seen it posted so I am reposting > it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller, John > Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 10:05 AM > To: TCLUG List > Cc: > Subject: Proftpd unable to determine ip > > I am trying to get proftpd working. When I start it by typing proftpd it > comes back and says "unable to determine ip address of 'dhcp-112-156'" which I > beleive is the name that is assigned to me by ATTBI. I have had proftp > working in the past but have reloaded my system since then so this is a new > install. I am running RH7.2. Try adding dhcp-112-156 and the right IP address to your /etc/hosts file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Sep 29 18:57:23 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:29:46PM -0500 References: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020929172053.R3718@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:29:46PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > There is something very wrong with the mail server. I'm not sure what it is. I > see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not getting them in my inbox. > > I see the logs show > > delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 > > So, it's not being delay too long. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Sent this 09/29/2002 at 15:30 Received: from sprite.real-time.com (lists.real-time.com [208.20.202.12]) by techmonkeys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TL03c12135 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:00:04 -0600 Received: from sprite.real-time.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TKuOK26432; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:56:25 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.real-time.com (gatekeeper.real-time.com [65.193.16.100]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8TKPYK26146 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:25:34 -0500 Received: from guardian.castle.real-time.com by gatekeeper.real-time.com via smtpd (for lists.real-time.com [208.20.202.12]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 20:11:01 UT Received: from hazlan.ravenloft.real-time.com ([192.168.201.245]) by mail.castle.real-time.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #5 (Red Hat Linux)) id 17vkdH-0002u5-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:25:39 -0500 Received: from tanner by hazlan.ravenloft.real-time.com with local (Exim 3.36 #5) id 17vkhG-0003V3-00 for tclug-list@mn-linux.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:29:46 -0500 once of your systems are not ntp sync'd (maybe more), but it looks like you had a few time warps (backwards even!), fix your clocks and post again =p -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From nightcanton at attbi.com Sun Sep 29 21:06:18 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (nightcanton@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS Message-ID: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> Has anyone one successfully able to see an NTFS partiaion in any version of Linux? Just thought I would ask since I need Linux to see a 100GB NTFS partition. Take it easy, Luke From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Sep 29 21:40:05 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS References: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001c01c26827$bf9c4ce0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS > Has anyone one successfully able to see an NTFS partiaion in any version > of Linux? Just thought I would ask since I need Linux to see a 100GB > NTFS partition. > > > > Take it easy, > > > Luke > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > I have used Demo Linux 3.01 on an XP laptop and been able to see the partition. I also used Timo Rescue CD to burn the Demo Linux cd on the laptop. The cd writer software the came with it doesn't understand iso format. Joseph Key From myok at ogzr.org Sun Sep 29 21:42:45 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS In-Reply-To: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> References: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1033352747.1592.3.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Sun, 2002-09-29 at 20:55, nightcanton@attbi.com wrote: > Has anyone one successfully able to see an NTFS partiaion in any version > of Linux? Just thought I would ask since I need Linux to see a 100GB > NTFS partition. > See as in read? Yes, it's been a kernel option for a while and is pretty stable. See as in read and write? It's possible but very dangerous last I heard. -- Carl Patten From sos at zjod.net Sun Sep 29 21:43:13 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Sep 29, 2002 03:29:46 PM Message-ID: <200209292134.g8TLYre12848@zjod.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sun Sep 29 15:58:28 2002 > Return-Path: > Received: from sprite.real-time.com (lists.real-time.com [208.20.202.12]) > by zjod.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TKwR511133 > for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:58:28 -0500 > Received: from sprite.real-time.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TKuOK26432; > Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:56:25 -0500 > Received: from gatekeeper.real-time.com (gatekeeper.real-time.com [65.193.16.100]) > by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8TKPYK26146 > for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:25:34 -0500 > Received: from guardian.castle.real-time.com by gatekeeper.real-time.com > via smtpd (for lists.real-time.com [208.20.202.12]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 20:11:01 U > T > Received: from hazlan.ravenloft.real-time.com ([192.168.201.245]) > by mail.castle.real-time.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #5 (Red Hat Linux)) > id 17vkdH-0002u5-00 > for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:25:39 -0500 > Received: from tanner by hazlan.ravenloft.real-time.com with local (Exim 3.36 #5) > id 17vkhG-0003V3-00 > for tclug-list@mn-linux.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:29:46 -0500 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> > X-Original-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:29:46 -0500 > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:29:46 -0500 > Status: RO > > There is something very wrong with the mail server. I'm not sure what it is. I > see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not getting them in my inbox. > > I see the logs show > > delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 > > So, it's not being delay too long. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Sent this 09/29/2002 at 15:30 > Check the various timestamps in the email headers as I received 'em. Note how many hops seem to be received "in the future". As I recall, this is a problem for some mail handlers. I'm kinda surprised that real-time.com isn't using nntp'idly, -S From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 29 23:29:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <200209292134.g8TLYre12848@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 04:34:53PM -0500 References: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> <200209292134.g8TLYre12848@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20020929231635.B23910@real-time.com> Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > I'm kinda surprised that real-time.com isn't using nntp'idly, What does news have to do with time? :-P If you mean ntp, all boxes are ntp'd, not sure why or how they get off. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Sep 30 02:05:12 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020929231635.B23910@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:16:35PM -0500 References: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> <200209292134.g8TLYre12848@zjod.net> <20020929231635.B23910@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020930003921.S3718@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:16:35PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What does news have to do with time? :-P > > If you mean ntp, all boxes are ntp'd, not sure why or how they get off. Well, unless you have a flux capacitor over there somewhere, they're not ntp sync'd, do it manually, then hwclock -w =) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Sep 30 02:57:06 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020929152946.V20409@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003c01c26847$5f354ad0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > > There is something very wrong with the mail server. I'm not > sure what it is. I > see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not > getting them in my inbox. > > I see the logs show > > delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 > > So, it's not being delay too long. > > Anyone have any ideas? > No ideas, but data: I saw 2-4 hours delay between time composed and time received on all messages I saw this past week. Some gaps between messages seemed so large, I thought some stuff was getting lost. I know I lost at least one message (no list reply to my original post on the O'Reilly class discount). The delay problem seemed to clear to about 1/2 hour delay with your post on Mandrake at 11am yesterday. Oh.. and thanks to Jeff's help I have a box running a modem and mail under Linux finally, so will start using that later this week. :-) --- Chuck From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 30 11:32:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8.0 apt repository open Message-ID: <20020930112149.B17007@real-time.com> The 8.0 apt repository is open as well. Update your sources.list here: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list I've heard rumors that apt may not work with 8.0, and I've not tried it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Sep 30 12:29:45 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP Servers at UMN Message-ID: Good afternoon! I read a list of time servers on this page: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm and I see there are a couple of UMN servers listed. Under "Access Policy" it says "open access, please send message to notify". It doesn't list an email address for the admin(s) of the box, and I'd like to get it to the right folks the first time, if at all possible. So, does anyone know here the email address to send notifications to? Thanks in advance, Troy From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 30 13:28:22 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 8.0 + apt-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.X = hangage Message-ID: <20020930131140.E17007@real-time.com> I have 1 unconfirmed report that doing an apt-get dist-upgrade to RH 8.0 when running apt-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.xx will cause your system hang. The work-around for this person was to upgrade to apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1. I've been following the development of 0.5.4 and Conectiva still lists it as experiemental and there have been several issues with it. If you'd like to research the issues yourself and judge their impact: http://distro.conectiva.com.br/pipermail/apt-rpm/ I was told it's apt-0.5.4 for RH 8.0 or nothing. So, it's your call. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 30 22:20:22 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web cache abuse Message-ID: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Over the last week we had a few Linux servers abused at some member schools. The culprits took advantage of poorly configured squid.conf files that had the default 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 statement in the ACL section. We have corrected most of the problem by only letting local LANS use squid. I have one school in particular who is still being abused. It is peculiar because they have a high amount of traffic leaving their network, which seems to mask itself with normal, expected http traffic. It does not run 24/7 like the others who had the squid problem, but only runs during normal school hours and then goes away at night. I am using mrtg to monitor things, and would guess their outbound traffic is running at about a 300 % increase whenever there is a web request. I have asked the tech for the school to examine his local LAN for any devices that can do web caching to see if someone has hacked in somehow. I have looked at our router logs, and can only see port 80 being used. In fact when I disabled http traffic all the suspicious traffic went away. I guess I am wondering if anyone has heard of such a thing, and knows how to find a way to shut this down. It may be a bit off subject at this point since the school is not running any Linux, but rather win2000, and a sonic wall. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 30 22:53:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web cache abuse In-Reply-To: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@lctn.org on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 09:00:44PM -0500 References: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@lctn.org): > Over the last week we had a few Linux servers abused at some member > schools. The culprits took advantage of poorly configured squid.conf files > that had the default 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 statement in the ACL section. We have > corrected most of the problem by only letting local LANS use squid. I have > one school in particular who is still being abused. It is peculiar because Network topology switched or shared? If switched, do your switches support port mirroring? Does all the traffic do through a firewall? What I'm getting at is, can snoop all incoming/outgoing traffic somewhere? Install tcpdump and capture a sample of the traffic, or use ethereal to view it and see what's going on. Both tools are in the tclug's greyhatpak. Let's say you are switched, and the switches support port mirroring. At the min, mirror your uplink port (router, dsl modem, etc) to an open port. Plug a linux box into the open port, run ethereal on the that NIC interface and you'll get what you need. If you want to do it remotely, it's little more involved, but.... Let's say you have a linux firewall, ssh to it, install tcpdump, run tcpdump on both interfaces. /usr/sbin/tcpdump -w eth0.pcap -i eth0 -n /usr/sbin/tcpdump -w eth1.pcap -i eth1 -n scp the *.pcap files to your linux box running X, load up the files with ethereal. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From klinej at msoe.edu Mon Sep 30 23:36:30 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web cache abuse In-Reply-To: <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> References: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1033444728.318.0.camel@tranquility> Or... Setup the uplink to a tagged vlan, and compile your kernel with 802 VLAN support, and sniff the vlan on your linux box. On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 22:38, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@lctn.org): > > Over the last week we had a few Linux servers abused at some member > > schools. The culprits took advantage of poorly configured squid.conf files > > that had the default 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 statement in the ACL section. We have > > corrected most of the problem by only letting local LANS use squid. I have > > one school in particular who is still being abused. It is peculiar because > > Network topology switched or shared? > > If switched, do your switches support port mirroring? > > Does all the traffic do through a firewall? > > What I'm getting at is, can snoop all incoming/outgoing traffic somewhere? > > Install tcpdump and capture a sample of the traffic, or use ethereal to view > it and see what's going on. > > Both tools are in the tclug's greyhatpak. > > Let's say you are switched, and the switches support port mirroring. At the > min, mirror your uplink port (router, dsl modem, etc) to an open port. > > Plug a linux box into the open port, run ethereal on the that NIC interface and > you'll get what you need. > > If you want to do it remotely, it's little more involved, but.... > > Let's say you have a linux firewall, ssh to it, install tcpdump, run tcpdump on > both interfaces. > > /usr/sbin/tcpdump -w eth0.pcap -i eth0 -n > /usr/sbin/tcpdump -w eth1.pcap -i eth1 -n > > scp the *.pcap files to your linux box running X, load up the files with > ethereal. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A