From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 1 07:49:27 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational SpeeRe: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <200211010722.gA17MnD21655@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200211010722.gA17MnD21655@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021101121655.35ACF73D24@maynard.rephil.org> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:58:17PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:10:07PM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: >> > Can I send out a binary? No ... it is a commercial code that requires a >> > license key (based NIC card IP) in order for it to run. So ... there i= > s no >> > way to run it on other hardware, unless that hardware already has a lic= > ense >> > key. Thanks for the offers though. >>=20 >> ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx >>=20 >> heh. >> --=20 >> Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified >> http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > Please report yourself to the nearest DMCA reeducation center. You need > your attitude wrt intellectual property readjusted. > > florin > > PS: Damn I feel dirty now. Me too; not w.r.t. intellectual property, but because a non-manufacturer changing the MAC address of a card violates a standard! ;) P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 1 07:50:28 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2404 - 14 msgs In-Reply-To: <200211010722.gA17MnD21655@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200211010722.gA17MnD21655@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021101122818.B79CD73D24@maynard.rephil.org> > Message: 13 > From: Tim Wilson > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:28:14 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hi everyone, > > I know there are some SGI employees and afficionados on the list so I > thought I would ask for some input on this question. > > I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless workstations > and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm curious to > know if the performance would be generally acceptable. Here are more > detailed specs: > > *(30) SGI Indigo2 workstations w/ 150 or 200 MHz processor, 96MB or 128 MB > RAM, diskless, XZ, Elan, or Extreme Graphics, keyboard, mouse > * (1) SGI Indigo2 workstation w/ 175 MHz R10000 CPU, 256 MB RAM, 9GB H.D., > Solid Impact graphics, keyboard, mouse, configured as server for diskless > workstations > * (31) Sun 17" GDM17E10 monitors > > What do you think? What do you want to run on them -- IRIX or Linux? Linux would probably be a little adventurous, but possible. I forget offhand, though, if it will run graphics hardware on other than the Indy -- how it was for a long time. I seem to recall someone on debian-mips talking about video cards on and Indigo2, though. Something to checkout. When you say diskless workstations, I guess I wonder what you want them to be doing. If you want 'em to be a web browser, etc., then they're fine -- some things will be a little slow, but (if you get the graphics working) they render *really* fast -- at least my Indy does (similar graphics.) I'd say probably a thing to go for. Check the debian-mips pages, I guess. Or run IRIX. HTH, P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 1 09:52:46 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational SpeeRe: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <20021101121655.35ACF73D24@maynard.rephil.org> References: <200211010722.gA17MnD21655@sprite.real-time.com> <20021101121655.35ACF73D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: <20021101143346.GA2801@iucha.net> On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 06:16:55AM -0600, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:58:17PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >>On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:10:07PM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > >>> Can I send out a binary? No ... it is a commercial code that requires a > >>> license key (based NIC card IP) in order for it to run. So ... there i= > >s no > >>> way to run it on other hardware, unless that hardware already has a lic= > >ense > >>> key. Thanks for the offers though. > >>=20 > >>ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx > >>=20 > >>heh. > >>--=20 > >>Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > >>http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > > >Please report yourself to the nearest DMCA reeducation center. You need > >your attitude wrt intellectual property readjusted. > > > >florin > > > >PS: Damn I feel dirty now. > > Me too; not w.r.t. intellectual property, but because a non-manufacturer > changing the MAC address of a card violates a standard! ;) Tying a license key on the "immutable" MAC address certainly violates some decency law somewhere 8^) It takes at least a couple of weeks to break a real hardware key... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021101/a7a1495e/attachment.pgp From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Nov 1 09:53:09 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat rsync mirror? References: Message-ID: <3DC290A9.4070708@andersonfam.org> Thanks a ton! I'll give it a try. -Erik Jima wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > >>I've been looking all over redhat's page as well as google and can't >>find an answer to this question...how would one go about mirroring the >>redhat/en/i386 distribution? >> >>Here at work, we are starting to use redhat more and more and I would >>love to be able to have a local repository to do the installs from >>rather than doing everything from cds. > > > Sure, rpmfind.net has a few mirrors. Example: > > rsync -avz --delete speakeasy.rpmfind.net::linux/redhat/8.0/en/ \ > /local/redhat/8.0/en/ > > rsync -avz --delete speakeasy.rpmfind.net::linux/redhat/updates/8.0/en/ \ > /local/redhat/updates/8.0/en/ > > Looks like the active rsync servers are speakeasy.rpmfind.net (Seattle) > and fr2.rpmfind.net (Lyon, France). > > Jima > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Fri Nov 1 14:12:00 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <20021031184454.2c1f8da3.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> <20021031184454.2c1f8da3.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <6963318289.20021101130805@toughguy.net> Friday, November 01, 2002 @ 1:07:43 PM Central Standard Time Cool.. Thanks you for the advice. Rock-on My Slackware brotha.. Adios, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 6:44:54 PM, you wrote: SF> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:10:21 -0600 SF> Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> Samba. Why add more software to the windows machines when you can use >> a protocol already supported by (In fact written for) doze. >> SF> Samba was originally written for communications between other OS' than SF> Windows with Unix. Can't recall what though at this time. SF> However, using Samba does have it's drawbacks like many other things. SF> One thing to note, set up your samba servers to authenticate to the SF> NT/2000/XP domain so that it's relatively seamless for your users to SF> connect to them. SF> Shawn SF> _______________________________________________ SF> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota SF> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org SF> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 1 17:19:07 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat rsync mirror? In-Reply-To: <200210311104.19309.tanner@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:04:19AM -0600 References: <3DC1431D.406@andersonfam.org> <200210311104.19309.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021101151708.A10202@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:04:19AM -0600, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:50 am, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > > I've been looking all over redhat's page as well as google and can't > > find an answer to this question...how would one go about mirroring the > > redhat/en/i386 distribution? > > > > Here at work, we are starting to use redhat more and more and I would > > love to be able to have a local repository to do the installs from > > rather than doing everything from cds. You can rsync from mirrors.kernel.org -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021101/5ea28dde/attachment.pgp From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Nov 1 18:38:30 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling Message-ID: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Hi all, got a good one for ya. I'm about to upgrade my Internet connection from a 56k dialup to an 144k IDSL. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on some bandwidth throttling. I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services (ssh, ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my server machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still be able to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 machines without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. I think I can do this with iptables (never looked into it much) or maybe even xinetd? (never looked into it at all), but I'm not sure how intelligent these are, or if they're even the right apps to do it. I'd hate to download an iso at 20kps when nothing else is accessing the net, and I'd hate to allow a limit to ftp when I'm the only one who will ever use it and that could at max be 2-3 times a month. Well those are the key points I'm looking for answers on. Any advice, info (man, howto, etc), or horror/success stories would be great. I got about a month before I get hooked up I'm sure, so I got some good reading/planning time on my hands. Thanks again in advance. Chris Frederick p.s. In case it matters, the server routing all this is a AMD Athlon 800Mhz, 384M SDRAM (might be 512M, I keep forgetting), running Mandrake 8.2 that may change to 9.0, or even to Red Hat or Slackware depending on how much time I have to configure it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services > (ssh, ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my > server machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still > be able to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 > machines without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. > > I think I can do this with iptables (never looked into it much) or > maybe even xinetd? (never looked into it at all), but I'm not sure how > intelligent these are, or if they're even the right apps to do it. > I'd hate to download an iso at 20kps when nothing else is accessing > the net, and I'd hate to allow a limit to ftp when I'm the only one > who will ever use it and that could at max be 2-3 times a month. > > Well those are the key points I'm looking for answers on. Any advice, > info (man, howto, etc), or horror/success stories would be great. I > got about a month before I get hooked up I'm sure, so I got some good > reading/planning time on my hands. > > Thanks again in advance. > Chris Frederick > > p.s. In case it matters, the server routing all this is a AMD Athlon > 800Mhz, 384M SDRAM (might be 512M, I keep forgetting), running > Mandrake 8.2 that may change to 9.0, or even to Red Hat or Slackware > depending on how much time I have to configure it. > From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Nov 1 20:37:09 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling In-Reply-To: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>; from cdf123@cdf123.com on Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 05:17:22PM -0600 References: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20021101190353.A4307@okane.localnet> for apache (inbound web connections) you can use mod_throttle to prevent people from taxing your line. search for it on google. Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, got a good one for ya. > > I'm about to upgrade my Internet connection from a 56k dialup to an 144k > IDSL. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on some bandwidth > throttling. I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services (ssh, > ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my server > machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still be able > to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 machines > without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. -- -scot From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Fri Nov 1 20:39:36 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The run command box in lower right corner Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B636@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have entered a bunch of commands in this cute little box. Now when I click on the drop down arrow a whole bunch of prev commands are listed in there. I would like clean it up, so how do I delete some of these enteries. Thanks John Miller From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 2 11:41:08 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling In-Reply-To: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1036257684.2895.6.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 17:17, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, got a good one for ya. > > I'm about to upgrade my Internet connection from a 56k dialup to an 144k > IDSL. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on some bandwidth > throttling. I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services (ssh, > ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my server > machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still be able > to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 machines > without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. You'll probably get a lot of good stuff by searching for "linux traffic shaper" Here's one article that looks promising, though it looks like the script they provide got mangled at some point, and there are some extra linefeeds that shouldn't be there.. http://online.securityfocus.com/infocus/1285 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Are we live, or are we / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Memorex? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021102/5b619a61/attachment.pgp From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 2 21:25:13 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting wireless ESSID in /etc/network/interfaces Message-ID: <20021103021244.GE19379@8ball.wox.org> I'm running debian on my laptop and there are two wireless networks I use it on often. One of them requires I set the ESSID to a certain value, and another does not. Now I know that you can do mapping in /etc/network/interfaces, but I was wondering if there was a method where the ifup script would first try not having a essid set, and then try it with the essid of the network that requires it to be set. -- Brian Hicks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then supposedly it will work as it's supposed to. My problem is that there is no 'video configuration' under the advance section of the bios settings. So apparently i can't change the frame buffer size without a bios update. So what are my other options? As i've said several times already, i'm not a hardware expert, and i haven't been able to find the right answers on the internet. My question is this: if i've got integrated video on the motherboard, can I still go out and buy an alternate video card and use that instead? Or am I stuck with the i845? And if I can use a different video card, how do I tell it to use the new card instead of the integrated video controller? do I need to? Thanks, Jonathon [1] http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel845g/linux.htm From nate at refried.org Sun Nov 3 16:04:04 2002 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based guide to TiVo hacking? In-Reply-To: <000e01c280fe$cd5c9340$9297040a@stealth> References: <20021031145530.GA6753@refried.org> <000e01c280fe$cd5c9340$9297040a@stealth> Message-ID: <20021103211332.GA11162@refried.org> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 10:58:46AM -0600, Jason Lanpher wrote: > Finally an answer that I know. When I was looking for doc's on this > same topic I checed out this site: > http://www.9thtee.com/tivoupgrades.htm This site has allot of infor on > obtaining parts for your TV. But it also has links to website with info > about hacking your Tivo. This site was also a good resource as well > http://hellcat.tyger.org/MFS/2.0/howto.html I have the mfstools CD and I have printed out just about all of the howtos, but I'm still not satisfied with the directions. Here are my gripes: 1. Windows centric All of the directions I've seen so far assume that you're going to back up onto your Windows C: drive. I don't have a Windows C: drive. In fact, I don't have an ext2 partition except for my small /boot partition. Everything else is XFS. 2. MFS tools ISO didn't boot Ok, this is probably something to do with my system. I don't understand why, but I can't boot the CD. I can boot the Debian install CDs just fine. I can boot the CD inside VMware, but I can't get the CD to boot on the bare hardware. My BIOS is the latest version, I just upgraded it so I could support the 80GB drives I'm using. 3. Source Code? There seems to be a severe lack of source code available. I haven't found anywhere that has a set of patches to a recent kernel that will give you all the kernel functionality you need to read the disklabel and mount the MFS partitions. 4. Very sparse MFS tools CD. Ok, I copied the kernel and initrd from mfstools2.iso and booted those straight off the hard drive. For a CD with a 15M initrd, it's severely lacking in common tools. man pages would be a great start. Real tools instead of busybox for everything. Also some network drivers would have been nice. They have support for nfs mounts, but nothing to set up a network connection. So as of now, I have dd'd my TiVo A drive to another drive so I can start poking around. Nate From rotbau at squishnet.com Sun Nov 3 18:13:15 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forcing full duplex in Linux Message-ID: <1036364062.1rotbau@squishnet.com> Hello All, I am usually in the habit of forcing my network servers to 100 Mbps Full Duplex instead of rolling the dice with auto negotiation (Netware and NT/W2K boxes). We have had some problems in the past and forcing them leaves nothing to question. I have done some googling and looked for how to do this on Linux. I have seen some refernces to a options 0x16 or 0x32 and also some stuff like 100FD added to the config. I have a couple of questions for the group. 1. Is it a good or bad idea to force duplex on Linux? 2. If good, does anyone know the correct syntax and where to add it or at least a good source to find the answer? Is this specific to the NIC you have in the box? 3. When I do an ifconfig I don't see it listed as to the mode 100 full or half, is there anyway to determine this? I am running RH 7.1, 2.4 kernel with a Intel Pro 100 nic. Regards, rotbau From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Nov 3 18:58:12 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video problems revisited In-Reply-To: ; from jonathon@quotidian.org on Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 01:37:12PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20021103183213.V22770@joelschneider.net> A little bit of googling turned up the following: https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/xfree86-list/2002q3/000564.html It appears XFree86 4.2.0 does not support the Intel i830/i845 chipset. XFree86 4.3.0, to be released near the end of the year, will include 3D support for this hardware. If you simply can't wait that long for XFree86, you might want to check out Xi Graphics. Looks like they do currently offer support for i845: http://www.xig.com/Pages/Atop/EmbeddedSupport/EmbeddedSummit.html Joel On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 01:37:12PM -0700, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > You may remember me asking last week about a graphics problem with > X-windows. I have a dell dimension 2300 with an intel 845 chipset > (integrated video). -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Nov 3 22:08:18 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forcing full duplex in Linux In-Reply-To: <1036364062.1rotbau@squishnet.com> References: <1036364062.1rotbau@squishnet.com> Message-ID: <20021104033459.GD10791@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:54:22PM +0000, rotbau wrote: > Hello All, > > 1. Is it a good or bad idea to force duplex on Linux? > No more than any other OS, some hardware just doesn't negotiate well. > 2. If good, does anyone know the correct syntax and where > to add it or at least a good source to find the answer? Is > this specific to the NIC you have in the box? > > 3. When I do an ifconfig I don't see it listed as to the > mode 100 full or half, is there anyway to determine this? > > I am running RH 7.1, 2.4 kernel with a Intel Pro 100 nic. Try mii-tool or mii-diag, it has the information you're looking for. > > Regards, > > rotbau -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From myok at ogzr.org Sun Nov 3 22:09:14 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forcing full duplex in Linux In-Reply-To: <1036364062.1rotbau@squishnet.com> References: <1036364062.1rotbau@squishnet.com> Message-ID: <1036382153.18628.5.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 16:54, rotbau wrote: > Hello All, > > I am usually in the habit of forcing my network servers to > 100 Mbps Full Duplex instead of rolling the dice with auto > negotiation (Netware and NT/W2K boxes). We have had some > problems in the past and forcing them leaves nothing to > question. I have done some googling and looked for how to > do this on Linux. I have seen some refernces to a options > 0x16 or 0x32 and also some stuff like 100FD added to the > config. I have a couple of questions for the group. > > 1. Is it a good or bad idea to force duplex on Linux? There's nothing intrinsically dangerous about it, if that's what your concern is. It's never caused a kernel panic or anything like that for me. > > 2. If good, does anyone know the correct syntax and where > to add it or at least a good source to find the answer? Is > this specific to the NIC you have in the box? (as root:) /sbin/mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 I added it as a S99forceFD script in my /etc/rc3.d. Some cards lack the mii (media-independent interface) so this won't work for them, but most have it. Basically, if mii-tool can read your card, it'll be able to set it. > > 3. When I do an ifconfig I don't see it listed as to the > mode 100 full or half, is there anyway to determine this? /sbin/mii-tool by itself will give you the setting of each interface. > > I am running RH 7.1, 2.4 kernel with a Intel Pro 100 nic. Should work. Let us know. -- Carl Patten From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Nov 4 00:23:15 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networking Hardware Recommendation? Message-ID: <20021104045417.GA17896@fireopal.org> I've currently got a nice little network running to share my DSL connection. Cisco 675 to Ethernet Concentrator to everything. I want to add Wireless capability, so that the laptop(s) can access the network from anywhere in the house. There are loads of PC Card Wireless Cards out there - anyone have reasons to prefer any one over any other? How about Wireless Access Points? It looks like all the access points include a concentrator, so I either piggy-back it onto my existing hardware, or replace. Disclaimer: I'm initially going to be doing Windows laptops - I still need to get the Linux laptop built, but will be wanting to plug it in when I finally _do_ get it built! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From paul at harris.net Mon Nov 4 09:59:38 2002 From: paul at harris.net (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat not finding module dependencies Message-ID: <20021104041531.23772.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> I'm trying to install a RH8 system. The install went fine (except that it wouldn't work as a graphical install, I had to use text mode), but when I try to boot it fails. Tried it once in GRUB and got an error about something not fitting in memory (I can try this again if it would help), then switched to LILO as I'm a little more at home there. It works through a bunch of progress messages, including succesfully activating swap partitions. The next step is 'Finding module dependencies', and at this point it just freezes. I'd be grateful for any help anyone can offer - I'm not a complete newbie, but pretty close. Cheers, Paul From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Nov 4 10:05:17 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networking Hardware Recommendation? In-Reply-To: <20021104045417.GA17896@fireopal.org> References: <20021104045417.GA17896@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20021104132644.GE10791@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:54:17PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > I've currently got a nice little network running to share my DSL > connection. Cisco 675 to Ethernet Concentrator to everything. > > I want to add Wireless capability, so that the laptop(s) can access > the network from anywhere in the house. There are loads of PC Card > Wireless Cards out there - anyone have reasons to prefer any one over > any other? How about Wireless Access Points? It looks like all the > access points include a concentrator, so I either piggy-back it onto > my existing hardware, or replace. > If you've got a linux system as your NAT box (rather than the cisco), I would recommend getting a PCI wireless card (such as the $49-59 d-link DWL-5xx from best buy, or office max. If the DSL unit is providing NAT for you, I'd get an AP and set it to bridge the traffic instead of providing its own NAT services. > Disclaimer: I'm initially going to be doing Windows laptops - I still > need to get the Linux laptop built, but will be wanting to plug it in > when I finally _do_ get it built There should be no compatibility problems. ! > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Nov 4 10:10:41 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling In-Reply-To: <20021101184428.0d45e0f8.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <20021101184428.0d45e0f8.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1036420131.2520.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> When I get this done, I'll reply to my original post on what I did. I KNOW it can be done, but it may take a bit of digging, reading, caffeine, hacking, swearing, and drinking. ;-) On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 18:44, Shawn Fertch wrote: No clue Chris, but I'd be interested in how you accomplish this as well. I've got plans to replace my current firewall machine (P166/128MB ram) in the not so distant future and build/customize more of it myself as it's a Smoothwall install. Shawn On 01 Nov 2002 17:17:22 -0600 Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, got a good one for ya. > > I'm about to upgrade my Internet connection from a 56k dialup to an > 144k IDSL. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on some > bandwidth throttling. I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services > (ssh, ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my > server machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still > be able to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 > machines without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. > > I think I can do this with iptables (never looked into it much) or > maybe even xinetd? (never looked into it at all), but I'm not sure how > intelligent these are, or if they're even the right apps to do it. > I'd hate to download an iso at 20kps when nothing else is accessing > the net, and I'd hate to allow a limit to ftp when I'm the only one > who will ever use it and that could at max be 2-3 times a month. > > Well those are the key points I'm looking for answers on. Any advice, > info (man, howto, etc), or horror/success stories would be great. I > got about a month before I get hooked up I'm sure, so I got some good > reading/planning time on my hands. > > Thanks again in advance. > Chris Frederick > > p.s. In case it matters, the server routing all this is a AMD Athlon > 800Mhz, 384M SDRAM (might be 512M, I keep forgetting), running > Mandrake 8.2 that may change to 9.0, or even to Red Hat or Slackware > depending on how much time I have to configure it. > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 4 10:12:58 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video problems revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021104093246.A16302@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 01:37:12PM -0700, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > You may remember me asking last week about a graphics problem > with X-windows. I have a dell dimension 2300 with an intel 845 > chipset (integrated video). I was using mandrake, but tried > red hat 8 to see if that worked any better. it did work > slightly better. I can now get into X with an 800x600 > resolution @ 256 colors. This isn't acceptable of course, so i > did some research on the internet. According to several > message boards (and intel's website [1]) the solution is to go > into the bios under Advanced > Video Configuration > Frame > Buffer Size and change it to 8mb since it defaults to 1mb. > Then supposedly it will work as it's supposed to. My problem > is that there is no 'video configuration' under the advance > section of the bios settings. So apparently i can't change the > frame buffer size without a bios update. So what are my other > options? You should be able to get your i845 to get a better mode than 8 bit 800x600. I've got mine running at 16 bit 1280x1024. Could you send your /etc/X11/XF86Config or (XF86Config-4) file to the list so that we can take a look at it? I guess if your version really defaults to 1MB, you might be stuck, but it is worth a look anyway. > As i've said several times already, i'm not a hardware expert, > and i haven't been able to find the right answers on the > internet. My question is this: if i've got integrated video > on the motherboard, can I still go out and buy an alternate > video card and use that instead? Or am I stuck with the i845? > And if I can use a different video card, how do I tell it to > use the new card instead of the integrated video controller? > do I need to? Yes, you can buy an alternate video card. Red Hat or Mandrake might detect it automatically, I am not sure. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 4 10:14:23 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting wireless ESSID in /etc/network/interfaces In-Reply-To: <20021103021244.GE19379@8ball.wox.org> References: <20021103021244.GE19379@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20021104094308.B16302@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:12:44PM -0600, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > I'm running debian on my laptop and there are two wireless networks I > use it on often. One of them requires I set the ESSID to a certain > value, and another does not. Now I know that you can do mapping in > /etc/network/interfaces, but I was wondering if there was a method where > the ifup script would first try not having a essid set, and then try it > with the essid of the network that requires it to be set. Have you looked at any of the laptop helper packages in Debian (apt-cache search laptop)? They can be very useful for configuring network laptops for a variety of networks. In particular, take a look at whereami, divine or laptop-net. With some combination of those packages you should be able to do what you want. Else you probably could hack ifup to do what you want, but I think that it would be less robust. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 4 11:47:34 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling Message-ID: Here is a bad example to play with: $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p TCP \ -d $WEBSRV --dport 80 -m limit \ --limit 1000/second --limit-burst 5 \ -j ACCEPT Good luck! >>> cdf123@cdf123.com 11/04/02 08:28AM >>> When I get this done, I'll reply to my original post on what I did. I KNOW it can be done, but it may take a bit of digging, reading, caffeine, hacking, swearing, and drinking. ;-) On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 18:44, Shawn Fertch wrote: No clue Chris, but I'd be interested in how you accomplish this as well. I've got plans to replace my current firewall machine (P166/128MB ram) in the not so distant future and build/customize more of it myself as it's a Smoothwall install. Shawn On 01 Nov 2002 17:17:22 -0600 Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, got a good one for ya. > > I'm about to upgrade my Internet connection from a 56k dialup to an > 144k IDSL. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on some > bandwidth throttling. I'd like to limit bandwidth used for services > (ssh, ftpd-maybe, httpd) and apps. I'd like to be able to access my > server machine remotely, wget the latest isos/rpms/tar.gzs, and still > be able to route net access (online games, web, email) for my other 3 > machines without any one service/app/machine hogging all my bandwidth. > > I think I can do this with iptables (never looked into it much) or > maybe even xinetd? (never looked into it at all), but I'm not sure how > intelligent these are, or if they're even the right apps to do it. > I'd hate to download an iso at 20kps when nothing else is accessing > the net, and I'd hate to allow a limit to ftp when I'm the only one > who will ever use it and that could at max be 2-3 times a month. > > Well those are the key points I'm looking for answers on. Any advice, > info (man, howto, etc), or horror/success stories would be great. I > got about a month before I get hooked up I'm sure, so I got some good > reading/planning time on my hands. > > Thanks again in advance. > Chris Frederick > > p.s. In case it matters, the server routing all this is a AMD Athlon > 800Mhz, 384M SDRAM (might be 512M, I keep forgetting), running > Mandrake 8.2 that may change to 9.0, or even to Red Hat or Slackware > depending on how much time I have to configure it. > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 4 13:37:29 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The run command box in lower right corner In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B636@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B636@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20021104181354.GD19402@fandre.com> Are you talking about mini-commander? For gnome2, there is a file in your home directory called ~/.gnome/mini-commander with the history info in it. On Fri, 01 Nov 2002, Miller, John wrote: > I have entered a bunch of commands in this cute little box. Now when I click on the drop down arrow a whole bunch of prev commands are listed in there. I would like clean it up, so how do I delete some of these enteries. > > Thanks > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com Linux junkie... PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Nov 4 13:38:36 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bandwidth Throttling References: <1036192683.6483.121.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <20021101184428.0d45e0f8.sfertch@real-time.com> <1036420131.2520.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3DC6BB39.8B6CE61A@real-time.com> Thanks Chris, I'll let you handle that stuff. Shawn Chris Frederick wrote: > > When I get this done, I'll reply to my original post on what I did. I > KNOW it can be done, but it may take a bit of digging, reading, > caffeine, hacking, swearing, and drinking. ;-) > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 18:44, Shawn Fertch wrote: > No clue Chris, but I'd be interested in how you accomplish this as well. > I've got plans to replace my current firewall machine (P166/128MB ram) > in the not so distant future and build/customize more of it myself as > it's a Smoothwall install. > > Shawn > From rotbau at squishnet.com Tue Nov 5 00:18:48 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forcing full duplex in Linux Message-ID: <1036470210.1rotbau@squishnet.com> Thanks everyone for the suggestion on mii-tool. It worked like a charm. Using /sbin/mii-tool showed me what the card was currently set at and using the -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 statement forced it. Very cool. regards, rotbau > Hello All, > > I am usually in the habit of forcing my network servers to > 100 Mbps Full Duplex instead of rolling the dice with auto > negotiation (Netware and NT/W2K boxes). We have had some > problems in the past and forcing them leaves nothing to > question. I have done some googling and looked for how to > do this on Linux. I have seen some refernces to a options > 0x16 or 0x32 and also some stuff like 100FD added to the > config. I have a couple of questions for the group. > > 1. Is it a good or bad idea to force duplex on Linux? There's nothing intrinsically dangerous about it, if that's what your concern is. It's never caused a kernel panic or anything like that for me. > > 2. If good, does anyone know the correct syntax and where > to add it or at least a good source to find the answer? Is > this specific to the NIC you have in the box? (as root:) /sbin/mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 I added it as a S99forceFD script in my /etc/rc3.d. Some cards lack the mii (media-independent interface) so this won't work for them, but most have it. Basically, if mii-tool can read your card, it'll be able to set it. > > 3. When I do an ifconfig I don't see it listed as to the > mode 100 full or half, is there anyway to determine this? /sbin/mii-tool by itself will give you the setting of each interface. > > I am running RH 7.1, 2.4 kernel with a Intel Pro 100 nic. Should work. Let us know. -- Carl Patten From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Tue Nov 5 03:08:11 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories Message-ID: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Can someone please tell me what "Special" characters can not be used in directory names? Here's what I have found from experimentation: ~ - tilde ` - backtick ! - exclamation / - duh Those are the obvious ones anyway. I thought it would be faster to ask than sitting here and trying them all. Thanks From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Tue Nov 5 06:57:54 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The run command box in lower right corner Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39403E04E56@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Thanks for the reply. I looked for that file and did not see it. It is an addon option and I don't know how I added it. The title of the drop down is "Run Command". This is my dad's computer and he loves the list except that it is getting long. Is there an equivalent in KDE? John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:14 PM To: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The run command box in lower right corner Are you talking about mini-commander? For gnome2, there is a file in your home directory called ~/.gnome/mini-commander with the history info in it. On Fri, 01 Nov 2002, Miller, John wrote: > I have entered a bunch of commands in this cute little box. Now when I click on the drop down arrow a whole bunch of prev commands are listed in there. I would like clean it up, so how do I delete some of these enteries. > > Thanks > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com Linux junkie... PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Nov 5 10:26:29 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Mark Courtney wrote: > Can someone please tell me what "Special" characters can not be used in > directory names? > > Here's what I have found from experimentation: > ~ - tilde > ` - backtick > ! - exclamation > / - duh Okay, I don't have any definitive list of ones that do or don't work, but I managed to get all but '/' by escaping the characters with backslash (\): $ mkdir \~hi $ mkdir \`hi $ mkdir \!hi $ ls -l drwxrwxr-x 2 jima jima 4096 Nov 5 06:41 `hi drwxrwxr-x 2 jima jima 4096 Nov 5 06:41 ~hi drwxrwxr-x 2 jima jima 4096 Nov 5 06:41 !hi $ mkdir \/hi mkdir: cannot create directory `/hi': Permission denied $ mkdir h\/i mkdir: cannot create directory `h/i': No such file or directory It was worth a shot. To be honest, though, I suspect pretty much anything besides '/' can be used, so long as you escape it. On second thought, it looks like quoting the directory name with single quotes works, too: $ rmdir '`hi' Double quotes work for most: $ rmdir "~hi" But not exclamation: $ rmdir "!hi" bash: !hi: event not found $ rmdir '!hi' I imagine these rules are somewhat shell-specific (I used bash, as illustrated by that last error). They almost undoubtedly apply to files, too. Not exactly what you were looking for, but it's a hint. Jima From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Nov 5 10:29:31 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20021105133800.GH10791@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:15:37AM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > > Can someone please tell me what "Special" characters can not be used in > directory names? > > Here's what I have found from experimentation: > ~ - tilde > ` - backtick > ! - exclamation > / - duh > Actually, those are fine (except /): mkdir \~\!\\\' drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Nov 5 07:33 ~!\' you merely need to escape the characters. > Those are the obvious ones anyway. I thought it would be faster to ask > than sitting here and trying them all. > > Thanks -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 5 10:31:53 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20021105080556.A20240@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:15:37AM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > > Can someone please tell me what "Special" characters can not be used in > directory names? > > Here's what I have found from experimentation: > ~ - tilde > ` - backtick > ! - exclamation > / - duh Actually, I think that the only character that you can't use is /. All of the other chararacters that you listed (and others such as space) can be created if you escape them. For example: mkdir \! mkdir " " should both work. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Nov 5 10:34:07 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>; from MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:15:37AM -0600 References: <63340.209.98.213.140.1036484137.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20021105082218.A6818@okane.localnet> IIRC, the only character that's not allowed is a '/'. According to "UNIX System V Release 4, An Introduction[1]" it recommends against using the following characters since they have special meaning in the shells: ! # & ; | @ $ ^ * ? \ + - SPACE TAB BACKSPACE ' and " single and double quotes ( and ) parenthesis < and > less then, greater than { and } brackets sooner or later you'll come across filenames with a backspace in them. They show up in a ls(1) but are difficult to delete. You can use the find(1) command to track them down and remove them: EX: If the filename shows up as 'xx' but really is 'xx', the following command will allow you to delete it: find . -name \*xx\* -exec rm -i {} \; The book I referred to is an older UNIX text but I still find it very useful: [1] UNIX System V Release 4, An Introduction, p 62 Rosen, Rosinski, & Farber, ISBN 0-07-881552-5 Mark Courtney wrote: > > Can someone please tell me what "Special" characters can not be used in > directory names? -- -scot From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Nov 5 12:50:10 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <20021105082218.A6818@okane.localnet> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Scot Jenkins wrote: > sooner or later you'll come across filenames with a backspace in them. > They show up in a ls(1) but are difficult to delete. You can use the > find(1) command to track them down and remove them: there is a much easier way, the midnight commander "mc", it works even when nautilus and konqueror fail Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From dante at plethora.net Tue Nov 5 16:39:14 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > sooner or later you'll come across filenames with a backspace in them. > > They show up in a ls(1) but are difficult to delete. You can use the > > find(1) command to track them down and remove them: > > there is a much easier way, the midnight commander "mc", it works even > when nautilus and konqueror fail > bash autocompletion handles character escapes quite well also. The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Nov 5 19:46:11 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021105231737.GA4878@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: [snip] > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... > I've been known to do a 'touch -- -rf' in home directories. >:-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Nov 5 21:31:25 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021106015548.GI10791@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > bash autocompletion handles character escapes quite well also. > > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... There's always rm -i * =) > > -- > Daniel Taylor > dante@plethora.net > Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. Hah. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 5 21:32:24 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux Message-ID: Hey all, I recently picked up a Sanyo 4900 to see how well the Sprint Vision data service worked. I was really impressed! I usually get 7-12kbytes/sec on downloads.. really nice for a link I can carry with me anywhere. For $40/mo (300 voice minutes and unlimited data), this is a great deal.. it kills what I can get through VoiceStream or AT&T. For those who are interested, I've written up a document on how to get a Vision connection under Linux. It's fairly simple - plug in the USB cable, and dial #777, but I thought I'd document it anyways so others wondering if it'll work will know for sure. :) The URL to the howto is: http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/sanyo-4900.php Hope this helps someone! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 5 23:28:36 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux References: Message-ID: <001501c28548$1be99e70$0101a8c0@cascade> This is awesome. I am soooo tempted to get a Vision phone now (I currently use the A400). High speed on my laptop -- anywhere would be REALLY cool. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux > Hey all, > > I recently picked up a Sanyo 4900 to see how well the Sprint Vision data > service worked. I was really impressed! I usually get 7-12kbytes/sec on > downloads.. really nice for a link I can carry with me anywhere. For > $40/mo (300 voice minutes and unlimited data), this is a great deal.. it > kills what I can get through VoiceStream or AT&T. > > For those who are interested, I've written up a document on how to get a > Vision connection under Linux. It's fairly simple - plug in the USB cable, > and dial #777, but I thought I'd document it anyways so others wondering > if it'll work will know for sure. :) > > The URL to the howto is: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/sanyo-4900.php > > Hope this helps someone! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Nov 5 23:30:05 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exim: SMTP auth via PAM Message-ID: <20021105220207.D3751@knicknack.net> Is there anyone on the list who has gotten SMTP auth to work with PAM under Exim. I have gotten it to work with PAM and NIS, but not plain PAM. As best I can tell the issue is that the user who calls the pam libraries needs to be root, but Exim runs as its own user. The reason it works with NIS is that the passwd map (containing the encrypted passwords) is readable by everybody. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks, Eric From skodak at cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 6 04:45:46 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Info about gcc Message-ID: Hi, I want to compile a C code into assembly code. I want to see the assembly output for every line in C. I have done that in Borland C but I dodnt know how I can do that using gcc. I tried using "gcc -S" but this gives only the assembly output and not the C code associated with that. Can anyone give me any information or point me to any links where I can get more information? Thanks for the help in advance. Thanks Sreekumar From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 6 10:36:12 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021106085440.A15161@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... Just use: rm ./-stupid_dash_file -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 6 10:44:23 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux In-Reply-To: <001501c28548$1be99e70$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > This is awesome. I am soooo tempted to get a Vision phone now (I > currently use the A400). High speed on my laptop -- anywhere would be > REALLY cool. Bob just picked up an A500 - it'll be interesting to see how well it works with Linux. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 6 10:59:12 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux References: Message-ID: <021f01c285b5$0e3dc860$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> I saw your article has been linked by Slashdot. Cool stuff. I look forward to a report back on the A500. They have a pretty good deal on them at Costco. $199. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > This is awesome. I am soooo tempted to get a Vision phone now (I > > currently use the A400). High speed on my laptop -- anywhere would be > > REALLY cool. > > Bob just picked up an A500 - it'll be interesting to see how well it works > with Linux. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 6 12:36:27 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux In-Reply-To: <021f01c285b5$0e3dc860$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I saw your article has been linked by Slashdot. Cool stuff. > > I look forward to a report back on the A500. They have a pretty good > deal on them at Costco. $199. I'll be sure to let you guys know on the A500. Some from /. just sent me a link on Sprint's site that states that the unlimited vision is for phone use only, so I'm not so sure this is a great deal anymore. :( I did double-check with 3 sprint reps that the unlimited vision would work for laptop use also, but the site says the opposite now. So, watch out before going this route. :( (I've also updated my page on the web with this info) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Wed Nov 6 12:39:36 2002 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <20021106085440.A15161@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20021106085440.A15161@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20021106181238.GA5427@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> and if you have problems with this add '--' before the file name... so: rm -- ./-stupid_dash_file -or rm -i -- ./-stupid_dash_file The second one will ask before deleting... not always bad to check before deleting. @ On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:54:40AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... > > Just use: > > rm ./-stupid_dash_file > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 6 14:39:54 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux References: Message-ID: <02cb01c285c4$8e6d30c0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> I believe that currently they do not have the ability to monitor the data usage (they rolled out Vision before it was ready). However, they may very soon limit that when they figure it out. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I saw your article has been linked by Slashdot. Cool stuff. > > > > I look forward to a report back on the A500. They have a pretty good > > deal on them at Costco. $199. > > I'll be sure to let you guys know on the A500. > > Some from /. just sent me a link on Sprint's site that states that the > unlimited vision is for phone use only, so I'm not so sure this is a great > deal anymore. :( > > I did double-check with 3 sprint reps that the unlimited vision would work > for laptop use also, but the site says the opposite now. So, watch out > before going this route. :( > > (I've also updated my page on the web with this info) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 6 14:47:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211061309.42980.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 06 November 2002 09:32 am, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > This is awesome. I am soooo tempted to get a Vision phone now (I > > currently use the A400). High speed on my laptop -- anywhere would be > > REALLY cool. > > Bob just picked up an A500 - it'll be interesting to see how well it works > with Linux. Works just fine. I like the A500 because you can be jacked into your laptop AND have the power cable attached at the same time. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Nov 6 16:42:43 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question Message-ID: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to download softwarem, updates, yada yada, The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any ideas? I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: /Common /cust1 /cust2 /cust3 giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... Here was my second strategy: /Common /cust1 |_ symlink to Common /cust2 |_ symling to Common etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their home dirs. I'm stumped! Thanks- Erik Anderson From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 6 16:44:31 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint PCS Sanyo 4900 with Usb + Linux In-Reply-To: <02cb01c285c4$8e6d30c0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I believe that currently they do not have the ability to monitor the > data usage (they rolled out Vision before it was ready). However, they > may very soon limit that when they figure it out. Yeah, that's what I read on a few newsgroups. From dante at plethora.net Wed Nov 6 16:45:05 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <20021106181238.GA5427@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> Message-ID: Absolutely correct. Easy once you know how. Learning how can be painful. I heard about the '-f * ' file when I was quite new to Unix. Had to try it out. I was nice and tried it on myself first. Took me a while to figure out to use -- _and_ escape it. ' ' directories are fun too. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu wrote: > and if you have problems with this add '--' before the file > name... > > so: > rm -- ./-stupid_dash_file > -or > rm -i -- ./-stupid_dash_file > > The second one will ask before deleting... not always bad to > check before deleting. > > @ > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:54:40AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... > > > > Just use: > > > > rm ./-stupid_dash_file > > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From drue at therub.org Wed Nov 6 18:58:14 2002 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question In-Reply-To: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20021106225855.GA3430@therub.org> What if you hard link'd the directory? On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:26:08PM -0600, Erik Anderson wrote: > Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to > download softwarem, updates, yada yada, > > The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, > which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically > for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: > > We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any > ideas? > > I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: > /Common > /cust1 > /cust2 > /cust3 > giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common > folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting > our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... > > Here was my second strategy: > /Common > /cust1 > |_ symlink to Common > /cust2 > |_ symling to Common > > etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > home dirs. > > I'm stumped! > > Thanks- > Erik Anderson > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Nov 6 19:03:33 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question In-Reply-To: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <200211061741.52585.list@slushpupie.com> Would hard links be an option? They can sometimes be a bit more difficult to administer, however. Jay On Wednesday 06 November 2002 3:26 pm, Erik Anderson wrote: > Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to > download softwarem, updates, yada yada, > > The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, > which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically > for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: > > We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any > ideas? > > I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: > /Common > /cust1 > /cust2 > /cust3 > giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common > folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting > our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... > > Here was my second strategy: > /Common > /cust1 > > |_ symlink to Common > > /cust2 > > |_ symling to Common > > etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > home dirs. > > I'm stumped! > > Thanks- > Erik Anderson > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 6 19:04:32 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <20021106181238.GA5427@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> References: <20021106085440.A15161@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20021106181238.GA5427@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> Message-ID: <20021106180221.A15355@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:12:38PM -0600, thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu wrote: > and if you have problems with this add '--' before the file > name... My whole point was that you _won't_ have any problems if you refer to dash "dash files" using a leading directory name (./). This method has the advantage that it will with most any command, while I think the '--' trick only works with rm. > so: > rm -- ./-stupid_dash_file > -or > rm -i -- ./-stupid_dash_file > > The second one will ask before deleting... not always bad to > check before deleting. Yes, only the truly brave do much work before aliasing rm to 'rm -i'. > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:54:40AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... > > > > Just use: > > > > rm ./-stupid_dash_file -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Nov 6 23:41:48 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> <200211061741.52585.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3DC9EE2D.4010709@andersonfam.org> Dan/Jay - thanks for the idea. I tried hard linking, but I get an "Operation not permitted" error. Here's the context I'm using: # ln -d /path/to/target /path/to/link -Erik Jay Kline wrote: > Would hard links be an option? They can sometimes be a bit more difficult to > administer, however. > > Jay > > On Wednesday 06 November 2002 3:26 pm, Erik Anderson wrote: > >>Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to >>download softwarem, updates, yada yada, >> >>The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, >>which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically >>for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: >> >>We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any >>ideas? >> >>I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: >> /Common >> /cust1 >> /cust2 >> /cust3 >>giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common >>folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting >>our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... >> >>Here was my second strategy: >> /Common >> /cust1 >> >> |_ symlink to Common >> >> /cust2 >> >> |_ symling to Common >> >>etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their >>home dirs. >> >>I'm stumped! >> >>Thanks- >>Erik Anderson >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Nov 6 23:42:40 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question In-Reply-To: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1036645745.27640.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> This may be a somewhat inelegant idea but you could create a "common" directory in each customer's root and then run a cronjob that synchronizes them all periodically. Brady > Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to > download softwarem, updates, yada yada, > > The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, > which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically > for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: > > We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any > ideas? > > I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: > /Common > /cust1 > /cust2 > /cust3 > giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common > folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting > our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... > > Here was my second strategy: > /Common > /cust1 > |_ symlink to Common > /cust2 > |_ symling to Common > > etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > home dirs. > > I'm stumped! > > Thanks- > Erik Anderson > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Thu Nov 7 01:05:48 2002 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <20021106180221.A15355@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20021106085440.A15161@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20021106181238.GA5427@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> <20021106180221.A15355@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20021107054615.GA16492@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> I believe the '--' is a POSIX (or some other) standard... to specify that anything to the right of the '--' specifies a set of things (files, commands, other objects). I think it works with the perl getopts as well as most basic shell opts (rm, mv, ... ) @ On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 06:02:21PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:12:38PM -0600, thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu wrote: > > and if you have problems with this add '--' before the file > > name... > > My whole point was that you _won't_ have any problems if you > refer to dash "dash files" using a leading directory name (./). > This method has the advantage that it will with most any command, > while I think the '--' trick only works with rm. > > > so: > > rm -- ./-stupid_dash_file > > -or > > rm -i -- ./-stupid_dash_file > > > > The second one will ask before deleting... not always bad to > > check before deleting. > > Yes, only the truly brave do much work before aliasing rm to > 'rm -i'. > > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:54:40AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:07:29PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > > The nastiest filenames have leading dashes... > > > > > > Just use: > > > > > > rm ./-stupid_dash_file > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Nov 7 01:06:04 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question In-Reply-To: <1036645745.27640.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> <1036645745.27640.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1036648754.3dca013215a96@webmail.andersonfam.org> Yeah I think that's what I might end up doing...and if it comes down to it, that will be fine. Thanks for the suggestion! -Erik Quoting Brady Hegberg : > This may be a somewhat inelegant idea but you could create a "common" > directory in each customer's root and then run a cronjob that > synchronizes them all periodically. > > Brady > > > Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to > > download softwarem, updates, yada yada, > > > > The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, > > which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically > > for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: > > > > We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any > > ideas? > > > > I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: > > /Common > > /cust1 > > /cust2 > > /cust3 > > giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common > > folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting > > our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... > > > > Here was my second strategy: > > /Common > > /cust1 > > |_ symlink to Common > > /cust2 > > |_ symling to Common > > > > etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > > home dirs. > > > > I'm stumped! > > > > Thanks- > > Erik Anderson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From austad at signal15.com Thu Nov 7 01:06:14 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need vgetty compatible modem Message-ID: <894CDA2C-F217-11D6-ABA3-00039395531E@signal15.com> Does anyone have a vgetty compatible voice modem they'd be willing to part with cheaply? I'd prefer an external, but a PCI internal would be fine also. Apparently, the USR Courier and Sportster would work just fine. Need to build my VOCP voicemail system. :) Jay From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Nov 7 10:30:11 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound Message-ID: <200211070952.57252.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Here's an odd one: I'm building a computer for a friend and put Mdk 9.0 on it. Finally got the modem to work, but the sound card, while recognized, doesn't play any sound. I've checked all the obvious things: the speakers are on and connected to the right jack, volume turned up, but still nothing. The sound card is built into the motherboard (AC97) and lspci -v shows that it's there (IRQ 18). Kcontrol (Information -> Sound) recognizes it and arts seems to be set up correctly. There was no nasty error message when KDE started, saying '/dev/dsp not available' or anything like that. As far as I can tell, it is enabled in BIOS--what gives??? :Peter From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 7 10:39:17 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like Message-ID: I told Jima I'd post something once the /.'d to my web site was over, so here it is. For those of you that are curious, here's what a slashdotting looks like from MRTG's perspective: http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/switch1-17.real-time.com.17-day.gif Amusing, eh? :) (We pulled through it just fine.. probably had a lot to do with the fact that the page was only ~12k total.) Oh, total hits on my web server yesterday: 122,487. That includes the CSS, image, etc.. there were 18,592 hits to the actual page that got /.'d. Considering I usually get an average of 3,788 hits per day to this site, this is a lot of traffic. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 7 15:41:48 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories Message-ID: We prefer to be known as the foolhardy. >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 11/06/02 06:02PM >>> Yes, only the truly brave do much work before aliasing rm to 'rm -i'. From drue at therub.org Thu Nov 7 15:45:05 2002 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021107165745.GA5046@therub.org> Aww.. I want to be slashdot'd.. What do you guys use to keep track of hits and such on a web server, with multiple virtual hosts? dan On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:16:03AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I told Jima I'd post something once the /.'d to my web site was over, so > here it is. For those of you that are curious, here's what a slashdotting > looks like from MRTG's perspective: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/switch1-17.real-time.com.17-day.gif > > Amusing, eh? :) > > (We pulled through it just fine.. probably had a lot to do with the fact > that the page was only ~12k total.) > > Oh, total hits on my web server yesterday: 122,487. That includes the CSS, > image, etc.. there were 18,592 hits to the actual page that got /.'d. > Considering I usually get an average of 3,788 hits per day to this site, > this is a lot of traffic. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 7 15:50:00 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021107170820.GE18541@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:16:03AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I told Jima I'd post something once the /.'d to my web site was over, so > here it is. For those of you that are curious, here's what a slashdotting > looks like from MRTG's perspective: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/switch1-17.real-time.com.17-day.gif > > Amusing, eh? :) > > (We pulled through it just fine.. probably had a lot to do with the fact > that the page was only ~12k total.) What's the machine behind and what was the load? Out of pure interest of course, since it normally seems to kill almost anyone that gets slashdot'ed. > Oh, total hits on my web server yesterday: 122,487. That includes the CSS, > image, etc.. there were 18,592 hits to the actual page that got /.'d. > Considering I usually get an average of 3,788 hits per day to this site, > this is a lot of traffic. :) More interesting might be how many tried portscanning/whatever your machine at the span of the article being on the frontpage? Or where they nice on you? :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 7 16:00:07 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound References: <200211070952.57252.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <002c01c28687$e23b76d0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Perhaps it is muted. If you are using the ALSA drivers (I am not too familiar with MDK to say whether they use them or not), but they default to muted. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound > Here's an odd one: I'm building a computer for a friend and put Mdk 9.0 on > it. Finally got the modem to work, but the sound card, while recognized, > doesn't play any sound. I've checked all the obvious things: the speakers are > on and connected to the right jack, volume turned up, but still nothing. > The sound card is built into the motherboard (AC97) and lspci -v shows that > it's there (IRQ 18). Kcontrol (Information -> Sound) recognizes it and arts > seems to be set up correctly. There was no nasty error message when KDE > started, saying '/dev/dsp not available' or anything like that. As far as I > can tell, it is enabled in BIOS--what gives??? > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Thu Nov 7 16:15:39 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question Message-ID: <1241.204.220.56.203.1036696272.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. Anyone have some info on this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From admin at lctn.org Thu Nov 7 16:15:56 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question Message-ID: <1242.204.220.56.203.1036696274.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. Anyone have some info on this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Nov 7 16:19:03 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: <20021107165745.GA5046@therub.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Dan Rue wrote: > Aww.. I want to be slashdot'd.. No, you don't. Not unless you have a lot of bandwidth, and a decently fast server. And small web pages. > What do you guys use to keep track of hits and such on a web server, > with multiple virtual hosts? Personally, I just log each vhost separately. Put an "ErrorLog", "CustomLog", or "WhateverLog" directive inside the section, and hits to that vhost go into that log instead of the main one. Jima From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 7 16:19:21 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: <20021107165745.GA5046@therub.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Dan Rue wrote: > Aww.. I want to be slashdot'd.. > > What do you guys use to keep track of hits and such on a web server, > with multiple virtual hosts? This is on my personal box - just have to split up the access files (one access file per virtual host), and run a web analyzer across that. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 7 16:19:37 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: <20021107170820.GE18541@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > What's the machine behind and what was the load? Out of pure interest > of course, since it normally seems to kill almost anyone that gets > slashdot'ed. This is my personal web server.. it's a dual-ppro200 (old box) with really ancient scsi disks and 512mb of memory. Load was at ~.3 max.. not bad at all. > More interesting might be how many tried portscanning/whatever your > machine at the span of the article being on the frontpage? Or where > they nice on you? :-) They were nice to me. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 7 16:20:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: <20021107170820.GE18541@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > What's the machine behind and what was the load? Out of pure interest > of course, since it normally seems to kill almost anyone that gets > slashdot'ed. Oh - in case I didn't mention, the page being hit *was* a php page. Otherwise, I'd expect the load to have been the machine's usual - 0.00. > > Oh, total hits on my web server yesterday: 122,487. That includes the CSS, > > image, etc.. there were 18,592 hits to the actual page that got /.'d. > > Considering I usually get an average of 3,788 hits per day to this site, > > this is a lot of traffic. :) > > More interesting might be how many tried portscanning/whatever your > machine at the span of the article being on the frontpage? Or where they > nice on you? :-) > > -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Nov 7 16:20:22 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories References: Message-ID: <3DCAE2E7.4080007@indivisuallearning.com> > We prefer to be known as the > foolhardy. What are those of us who always use -f? Actually, I go a step farther with an -rf. Maybe I'm the fools fool then... sim "I got a bow and arrow and learned to shoot, I got a horn and learned to toot. Now I can shoot and toot, ain't I cute?" Name that movie. If you can't, you suck. From michael.arolan at excite.com Thu Nov 7 18:54:59 2002 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X windows problem on RH Linux 7.2 Message-ID: <20021107222153.68F5DBF6C@xmxpita.excite.com> Hi Gurus - I just installed RH 7.2 on my new Dell Inspiron laptop. Although the installation was succesful, it wouldn't start X windows. I got a message saying "non of the configured device was recognized". Do I need to do anything special when installing on a laptop? Its seems to be haing ahard time determining the monitor/mouse. Please help. Thanks - Michael _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 7 18:55:33 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question Message-ID: TCLUG-Devel is a good place for this type of question. Would this just add a row into a table in the db, or would it need to do other cool things to schedule this meeting? Would you have a "meetings" table, a "persons" table, and an "attendees" table to map them to each other? Is the site already using PHP? What kind of info do you want? More details please... :-) >>> admin@lctn.org 11/07/02 01:11PM >>> I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. Anyone have some info on this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Thu Nov 7 18:57:22 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: <3DCAE2E7.4080007@indivisuallearning.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > We prefer to be known as the > > foolhardy. > > What are those of us who always use -f? Actually, I go a step farther > with an -rf. > Maybe I'm the fools fool then... > _rm -rf, a sufficiently powerful tool to really shoot your foot off with. I use it to blow away directories because I don't have the time to go through and confirm every blinking write protected file in the directory has to be removed... Only bit me once, when I blew away /etc on a production machine. I was able to recover it (eventually), but it taught me to be *really* careful around a # prompt. > > "I got a bow and arrow and learned to shoot, I got a horn and learned to > toot. Now I can shoot and toot, ain't I cute?" > Name that movie. If you can't, you suck. > I guess I suck. Of course it was probably one of those bletcherous losing mid-90's movies that I never wanted to see anyway. Sounds like one. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Nov 7 19:02:39 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound In-Reply-To: <002c01c28687$e23b76d0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> References: <200211070952.57252.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <002c01c28687$e23b76d0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Message-ID: <200211071830.28041.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 07 November 2002 01:02 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Perhaps it is muted. If you are using the ALSA drivers (I am not too > familiar with MDK to say whether they use them or not), but they default to > muted. No, I checked that--I opened kmix, cranked the volume up on just about everything, and still didn't get any sound. Here's the weird part: if I pop in an audio CD, I can play that just fine. But if I want to play an mp3, wav, or other audio file, it doesn't work. Furthermore, when I restart arts, I get the '/dev/dsp busy, using null device' message. This is true for both root and an ordinary user. I tried to see if Knoppix would behave, but it gives a device error; I don't have it loaded now, but it was something like, '/usr/lib/...path_to_kernel_module/via_ac97.o device not found' or something like that. In other words, Knoppix was able to detect the sound card--otherwise how could it have known that it requires the via_ac97 (or whatever it is) kernel module--but when the kernel module attempted to access the device, it didn't work. This is rather perplexing. The system detects the sound card, lsmod shows a slew of drivers for ac97, so drivers are getting loaded, but it doesn't work. I don't think there are any IRQ conflicts, since lsmod shows it as IRQ 18; what are some ways I could find out if it is a hardware problem or a conflict with another device? :Peter From dutchman_mn at charter.net Thu Nov 7 19:06:17 2002 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need vgetty compatible modem In-Reply-To: <894CDA2C-F217-11D6-ABA3-00039395531E@signal15.com> References: <894CDA2C-F217-11D6-ABA3-00039395531E@signal15.com> Message-ID: <1036714898.5128.3.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Did you find a taker? I have a 56K PCI internal US Robotics. Bought at the beginning of the year, used three months. On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 00:09, Jay Austad wrote: > Does anyone have a vgetty compatible voice modem they'd be willing to > part with cheaply? I'd prefer an external, but a PCI internal would be > fine also. Apparently, the USR Courier and Sportster would work just > fine. Need to build my VOCP voicemail system. :) > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Nov 7 19:08:23 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question In-Reply-To: <1242.204.220.56.203.1036696274.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1242.204.220.56.203.1036696274.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1352.68.112.144.35.1036715654.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Well, Mr. Norton You're kinda headed in the right direction, but I think you'd prefer the mailing list here: http://tcphp.org/ If you're looking for a PHP script, you might want to try: http://www.freshmeat.net They have tons of great scripts and loads of great software. They probably have some not-so-great software too, but don't download any of those programs. (j/k) PHPGroupware is a pretty cool suite. http://www.phpgroupware.org It has a few more features than just meeting scheduling, and it might be a bit more than you're looking to install, but it is pretty cool stuff. Good Luck > I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to > register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. > > Anyone have some info on this? > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Nov 7 20:44:29 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1660.66.103.161.14.1036719182.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I will look into the links provided by the previous reply, but what I would like to do is allow users to provide specific contact info, preferences, numbers attending, etc.... We would like to keep the info in a db, so we can communicate changes, send reminders as the meeting draws closer, and send info about future meetings. Our ISP just moved our site to a server that has php4 and mysql (limit 3 db's) > TCLUG-Devel is a good place for this > type of question. > > Would this just add a row into a table > in the db, or would it need to do other > cool things to schedule this meeting? > > Would you have a "meetings" table, a > "persons" table, and an "attendees" > table to map them to each other? > > Is the site already using PHP? > > What kind of info do you want? > > More details please... :-) > >>>> admin@lctn.org 11/07/02 01:11PM >>> > I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to > register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. > > Anyone have some info on this? > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From jack at jacku.com Thu Nov 7 20:47:35 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] off subject php question In-Reply-To: <1242.204.220.56.203.1036696274.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1242.204.220.56.203.1036696274.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200211072024.19294.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 07 November 2002 13:11, Raymond Norton wrote: > I would like to add a php script to our site that would allow users to > register for meetings. I would like it to use mysql as a database. > > Anyone have some info on this? I see freshmeat.net was mentioned another place to check would be HotScripts.com. Last time I was there they had about 1500 php scripts. There may be something out there that does what you need and all you have to do is install and configure. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Nov 8 05:59:37 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thin Clients and Linux Message-ID: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> I've got a couple of thin clients that I'm thinking of setting up with Linux from a boot server. They're IBM Network stations, so naturally, I went to the linux portion of IBM's website to see what I could find. Along with Googling, the only useful info I found with about 30 minutes of searching is that IBM offers some TurboLinux programs for it. There's also a Linux Thin Client mail group, but haven't signed up for it. Not being a TurboLinux user, let alone seeing it, how does it compare? Also, has anyone set up one of these and what kind of performance am I looking at? Finally, has anyone setup one of these with a different distro other than TurboLinux, such as Slack (my preferred distro)? Thanks in advance, shawn From philwil at earthlink.net Fri Nov 8 07:32:23 2002 From: philwil at earthlink.net (Phil Wilshire) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thin Clients and Linux References: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3DCBB4CB.1543844F@earthlink.net> HI Shawn try http://www.ltsp.org regards Phil Wilshire Shawn Fertch wrote: > > I've got a couple of thin clients that I'm thinking of setting up with > Linux from a boot server. They're IBM Network stations, so naturally, I > went to the linux portion of IBM's website to see what I could find. > Along with Googling, the only useful info I found with about 30 minutes > of searching is that IBM offers some TurboLinux programs for it. > There's also a Linux Thin Client mail group, but haven't signed up for > it. > > Not being a TurboLinux user, let alone seeing it, how does it compare? > Also, has anyone set up one of these and what kind of performance am I > looking at? Finally, has anyone setup one of these with a different > distro other than TurboLinux, such as Slack (my preferred distro)? > > Thanks in advance, > > shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- SDCS -- System Design & Consulting Services LLC, http://www.sysdcs.com ** Embedded Linux Training ** email me for details 630 Springhouse Sq., Leesburg VA 20175 t: 703 669 9765 f: 703 669 9768 From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Nov 8 10:33:03 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thin Clients and Linux References: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> <3DCBB4CB.1543844F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DCBBFC9.3459BA1C@real-time.com> Cool! Thanks Phil. I wonder why it didn't show up. I did a search for the terminal model number and linux. Guess I was a little to restrictive in my search. Will have to look at this. Shawn Phil Wilshire wrote: > > HI Shawn > try > http://www.ltsp.org > > regards > Phil Wilshire > > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > > I've got a couple of thin clients that I'm thinking of setting up with > > Linux from a boot server. They're IBM Network stations, so naturally, I > > went to the linux portion of IBM's website to see what I could find. > > Along with Googling, the only useful info I found with about 30 minutes > > of searching is that IBM offers some TurboLinux programs for it. > > There's also a Linux Thin Client mail group, but haven't signed up for > > it. > > > > Not being a TurboLinux user, let alone seeing it, how does it compare? > > Also, has anyone set up one of these and what kind of performance am I > > looking at? Finally, has anyone setup one of these with a different > > distro other than TurboLinux, such as Slack (my preferred distro)? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > shawn From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Nov 8 10:34:08 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thin Clients and Linux In-Reply-To: <3DCBB4CB.1543844F@earthlink.net> References: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> <3DCBB4CB.1543844F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200211080747.14733.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 08 November 2002 06:57 am, Phil Wilshire wrote: > HI Shawn > try > http://www.ltsp.org > > regards > Phil Wilshire > > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > I've got a couple of thin clients that I'm thinking of setting up with > > Linux from a boot server. They're IBM Network stations, so naturally, > > I went to the linux portion > > Thanks in advance, > > > > shawn> You also might want to try http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From list at slushpupie.com Fri Nov 8 10:40:36 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question In-Reply-To: <3DC9EE2D.4010709@andersonfam.org> References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> <200211061741.52585.list@slushpupie.com> <3DC9EE2D.4010709@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <200211080808.22854.list@slushpupie.com> Hard links have strict rules. They must be on the same filesystem. If your home directories are not all on the same file system, you make want to maintain a few copies (one on each filesystem). After doing this, repeat to yourself several times "I hate hard links... I hate hard links..." Jay On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:38 pm, Erik Anderson wrote: > Dan/Jay - thanks for the idea. I tried hard linking, but I get an > "Operation not permitted" error. Here's the context I'm using: > > # ln -d /path/to/target /path/to/link > > -Erik > > Jay Kline wrote: > > Would hard links be an option? They can sometimes be a bit more difficult > > to administer, however. > > > > Jay > > > > On Wednesday 06 November 2002 3:26 pm, Erik Anderson wrote: > >>Hi all - I'm trying to set up an ftp server to allow our customers to > >>download softwarem, updates, yada yada, > >> > >>The idea is to, upon login, dump the users into their chrooted home dir, > >>which would contain some of our custom software, writted specifically > >>for them. This was easy to do.....now comes the catch: > >> > >>We want to also give them access to a "Common" directory as well. Any > >>ideas? > >> > >>I've thought about structuring the ftp tree as follows: > >> /Common > >> /cust1 > >> /cust2 > >> /cust3 > >>giving the customer only read access to their folder and the Common > >>folder....however, the management doesn't like the idea of presenting > >>our list of customers to the whole world. Soooo... > >> > >>Here was my second strategy: > >> /Common > >> /cust1 > >> > >> |_ symlink to Common > >> > >> /cust2 > >> > >> |_ symling to Common > >> > >>etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > >>home dirs. > >> > >>I'm stumped! > >> > >>Thanks- > >>Erik Anderson > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Nov 8 10:46:38 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories Message-ID: > > "I got a bow and arrow and learned to shoot, I got a horn > and learned > > to toot. Now I can shoot and toot, ain't I cute?" Name > that movie. > > If you can't, you suck. > > > I guess I suck. Of course it was probably one of those > bletcherous losing mid-90's movies that I never wanted to see > anyway. Sounds like one. INFIDEL!! It's an oldy man. Mid 50's. So, ya, you suck! ;-) http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?WRK=3633769 Danny Kaye is awesome. sim Below is the song in it's entirety. A bit long for an email, but it's worth it edumacate you lowlife scum! (If the above statement offends you, keep it to yourself). http://home.intranet.org/~anneke/jester/table_transcr.html -- When I was a lad, I was gloomy and sad as I was from the day I was born! When other babes giggled and gurgled and wiggled I proudly was loudly forlorn! My friends and my family looked at me clammily, thought there was something amiss! When others found various antics hilarious, all I could manage was this! or this! (makes face) or this! (makes face) or this! (mock crying) My father, he shouted: He needs to be clouted. His teeth on a wreath I'll hand him! My mother she cried as she rushed to my side: You're a brute! and you don't understand him! So they sent for a witch with a terrible twitch to ask how my future impressed her. She took one look at me and cried he... hee hee hee hee -- he? What else could he be but a jester? A jester? A jester? A funny idear a jester! No butcher, no baker, no candlestick maker and me with the look of a fine undertaker impressed her... as a jester? But where could I learn any comical turn that was not in a book on the shelf? No teacher to take me to mold me and make me a merry mad fool or an elf! But I'm proud to recall that in no time at all with no other recourses but my own resources with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself! I found a bow and arrow and I learned to shoot. I found a little horn and I learned to too. Now I can shoot and too, ain't I cute? -- From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Fri Nov 8 14:07:04 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thin Clients and Linux In-Reply-To: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20021108051839.019a62b2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <25944.68.112.144.35.1036779286.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I installed a trial version on TurboLinux a couple years ago. From what I remeber, it's a VERY customized distro. Most of the commands aren't your typical `ifconfig` or `netconf`, rather they are named with a "turbo" somewhere in the name... something like `turbo-ifconfig` and `turbo-netconf`. I never set it up in a thin client environment. I prefer fat clients. (j/k) > I've got a couple of thin clients that I'm thinking of setting up with > Linux from a boot server. They're IBM Network stations, so naturally, I > went to the linux portion of IBM's website to see what I could find. > Along with Googling, the only useful info I found with about 30 minutes > of searching is that IBM offers some TurboLinux programs for it. > There's also a Linux Thin Client mail group, but haven't signed up for > it. > > Not being a TurboLinux user, let alone seeing it, how does it compare? > Also, has anyone set up one of these and what kind of performance am I > looking at? Finally, has anyone setup one of these with a different > distro other than TurboLinux, such as Slack (my preferred distro)? > > Thanks in advance, > > shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ndavis at iexposure.com Fri Nov 8 14:44:24 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian 3.0 install of mailman Message-ID: <200211081411.27078.ndavis@iexposure.com> Hi all, I installed mailman_2.0.11-1woody4_i386.deb on a system and by default the install set the domain to domain n. Configuring mailman for domain n ... So now all messages that the mailman system sends a user come from n.domain.com instead of the proper domain that I set in the /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py. Does anyone have any insite into this? Thanks! Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From esper at sherohman.org Fri Nov 8 17:01:15 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating Directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021108222946.GC25462@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 08:43:18AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > INFIDEL!! It's an oldy man. Mid 50's. So, ya, you suck! > ;-) > > http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?WRK=3633769 I must really suck - I've never even heard of the movie. Then I read the first sentence of the review. It's a musical. I _loathe_ musicals. Which would explain why I've never heard of it. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Fri Nov 8 19:38:31 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X windows problem on RH Linux 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20021107222153.68F5DBF6C@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20021107222153.68F5DBF6C@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <1779.68.112.144.35.1036794930.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> There is an option for installing laptop and PCMCIA support during the Red Hat install. If you just simply chose the workstation type installation, you might not have got the drivers that you need for your mouse and monitor. I've found that for the most part, if you get a graphic display when you install Red Hat, then your monitor should probably be supported and drivers should be available on the install CD. If you get the text-based install, then you're probably lookin' at installing some additional drivers for your monitor and/or video card. > > Hi Gurus - > > I just installed RH 7.2 on my new Dell Inspiron laptop. Although the > installation was succesful, it wouldn't start X windows. I got a > message saying "non of the configured device was recognized". > > Do I need to do anything special when installing on a laptop? Its seems > to be haing ahard time determining the monitor/mouse. > > Please help. > > Thanks - Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pt-becker at attbi.com Fri Nov 8 23:23:14 2002 From: pt-becker at attbi.com (pt becker) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound Message-ID: <3DCC7CFD.7040705@attbi.com> Hi Peter I recently had the exact problem, sound server would play CD's but no wav or mp3s, except mine was on SUSE. I orginally had ALSA and tried to set up the config file, didn't work. I next tried to install and configure OSS, that didn't work. I went to ---> http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/thallma_alsaup_80.html and downloaded the rpms for ALSA and ALSA driver followed instructions and now have sound! I'm thinking (I don't know) the rpms and install instructions would work for you on Mdk 9.0 if you wanted ALSA as your sound set up. Hope this helps - Pete On Thursday 07 November 2002 01:02 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >> Perhaps it is muted. If you are using the ALSA drivers (I am not too >> familiar with MDK to say whether they use them or not), but they default to >> muted. > > No, I checked that--I opened kmix, cranked the volume up on just about everything, and still didn't get any sound. Here's the weird part: if I pop in an audio CD, I can play that just fine. But if I want to play an mp3, wav, or other audio file, it doesn't work. Furthermore, when I restart arts, I get the '/dev/dsp busy, using null device' message. This is true for both root and an ordinary user. I tried to see if Knoppix would behave, but it gives a device error; I don't have it loaded now, but it was something like, '/usr/lib/...path_to_kernel_module/via_ac97.o device not found' or something like that. In other words, Knoppix was able to detect the sound card--otherwise how could it have known that it requires the via_ac97 (or whatever it is) kernel module--but when the kernel module attempted to access the device, it didn't work. This is rather perplexing. The system detects the sound card, lsmod shows a slew of drivers for ac97, so drivers are getting loaded, but it doesn't work. I don't think there are any IRQ conflicts, since lsmod shows it as IRQ 18; what are some ways I could find out if it is a hardware problem or a conflict with another device? :Peter --__--__-- From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Nov 9 10:28:04 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 Message-ID: I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know what qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. ccox@linuxsnob.com -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 9 12:16:05 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: imaps can not login In-Reply-To: <003001c28809$59e02460$e789f2da@sloth> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Linus liu wrote: > Hi > > i have a same problem that was a long time ago, i have since moved on to using Courier-IMAPd let us start with your distro and the exact problem yuou are having Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From phil at rephil.org Sat Nov 9 13:49:30 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel / processing improvement Message-ID: <20021109181011.3CDBB73D24@maynard.rephil.org> I've forgotten who it was, but someone a week ago was asking about performance increases on their machine after replacing the kernel. I had thought about the Super Page patch, but didn't mention it because I thought it was only useful on the Alpha architecture [read: the wheel everyone is reinventing ;) ]. I was just working with it and noticed that it does, in fact, support i386 (and sparc64). So, you might want to try it. Note that it only patches 2.4.18 and 2.4.19, and the i386 code is beta. But, as quoted from the web page: "This is a project to make Linux to use super-page feature of some processors. The matrix transpose benchmark runs 4 to 5 times faster than the normal kernel on an Alpha 21264A-667MHz machine. And I got about 18 percent higher performance on SPEC fp2K with this patch." I wouldn't expect i386 to improve this much, and it's a benchmark -- not your specific app. But 4x to 5x is worthwhile for a constant factor improvement if someone else has already done the work. :) See: http://shimizu-lab.dt.u-tokai.ac.jp/lsp.html Happy hunting, philm -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Nov 9 22:37:18 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound card recognized, but no sound In-Reply-To: <3DCC7CFD.7040705@attbi.com> References: <3DCC7CFD.7040705@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200211091924.30171.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 08 November 2002 09:11 pm, pt becker wrote: > I recently had the exact problem, sound server would play CD's > but no wav or mp3s, except mine was on SUSE. I orginally had ALSA and > tried to set up the config file, didn't work. I next tried to install > and configure OSS, that didn't work. I went to ---> > http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/thallma_alsaup_80.html and downloaded the > rpms for ALSA and ALSA driver followed instructions and now have sound! > I'm thinking (I don't know) the rpms and install instructions would work > for you on Mdk 9.0 if you wanted ALSA as your sound set up. Hmm...the SuSE rpms are for the same version of ALSA as what is included in Mdk 9.0. I think that I'm just going to fork over some money for a sound card and forget about the onboard audio--it's not worth this kind of hair-pulling. :Peter From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 9 23:27:35 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations In-Reply-To: <200210312128.14981.wilson@visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600 References: <200210312128.14981.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20021109231708.D31992@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless workstations > and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm curious to > know if the performance would be generally acceptable. the one I had sitting on my desk for a while performed awfully well for a 7 year old box. was actually quite acceptable, provided you like IRIX. (not much hope of running anything else on them, but IRIX can be made acceptable if you install the GNU tools and/or just use it as an xterm for programs running somewhere else.) keep in mind, they *do* put out a *lot* of heat, which means they suck a lot of power, which means it costs more to run them than an x86-based xterm. they look awfully cool tho. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From doughanson at attbi.com Mon Nov 11 14:23:10 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 References: Message-ID: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> I do have a SpeedStream 5260 ADSL Modem! It was a Covad modem. Would this work for you??? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to > determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know what > qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) > > please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. > > ccox@linuxsnob.com > > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! > www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Nov 11 15:03:57 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 In-Reply-To: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> References: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> Message-ID: <20021111143110.B18778@botwerks.org> just as an aside - you'll want to make sure that you have a DMT capable modem. the 675 will not work since that is a CAP modem and Qwest is not doing CAP deployments anymore. i believe Q is leasing and/or selling a reasonably priced DSL router these days. the actiontec's aren't too bad. 678s are firmware upgradable to the correct line encoding. when last we saw our hero (Monday, Nov 11, 2002), Doug Hanson was madly tapping out: > I do have a SpeedStream 5260 ADSL Modem! It was a Covad modem. > Would this work for you??? > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:46 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > > I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to > > determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know > > what qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) > > > > please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. > > > > ccox@linuxsnob.com > > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 11 15:04:35 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 References: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> Message-ID: <05f501c289c2$31ab8420$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> That thing is only capable of bridging mode connections. There are not many ISPs around that use QWest DSL and use it in briding mode. At least, it seems like a pain in the arse. You can hack *some* of the 5260s into routers though. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Hanson" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > I do have a SpeedStream 5260 ADSL Modem! It was a Covad modem. Would this > work for you??? > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:46 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > > I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to > > determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know what > > qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) > > > > please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. > > > > ccox@linuxsnob.com > > > > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! > > www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ndavis at iexposure.com Mon Nov 11 17:59:40 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 In-Reply-To: <05f501c289c2$31ab8420$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> References: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> <05f501c289c2$31ab8420$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Message-ID: <200211111518.38017.ndavis@iexposure.com> We do! Nick On Monday 11 November 2002 14:37, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > That thing is only capable of bridging mode connections. There are not > many ISPs around that use QWest DSL and use it in briding mode. At least, > it seems like a pain in the arse. You can hack *some* of the 5260s into > routers though. > > Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Hanson" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > I do have a SpeedStream 5260 ADSL Modem! It was a Covad modem. Would > > this > > > work for you??? > > > > Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:46 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > > > I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to > > > determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know what > > > qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) > > > > > > please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. > > > > > > ccox@linuxsnob.com > > > > > > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! > > > www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From doughanson at attbi.com Mon Nov 11 20:32:50 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 References: <004a01c289b6$cc482ad0$0400a8c0@doug> <05f501c289c2$31ab8420$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> <200211111518.38017.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <02c501c289eb$58855c50$0400a8c0@doug> Well the cost is right, FREE... I hope it can help Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Davis" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > We do! > > Nick > > On Monday 11 November 2002 14:37, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > That thing is only capable of bridging mode connections. There are not > > many ISPs around that use QWest DSL and use it in briding mode. At least, > > it seems like a pain in the arse. You can hack *some* of the 5260s into > > routers though. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Hanson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > > > I do have a SpeedStream 5260 ADSL Modem! It was a Covad modem. Would > > > > this > > > > > work for you??? > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:46 AM > > > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] I'm looking for a cisco 678 > > > > > > > I'm moving. I'm currently running on a 675, and I've got no way to > > > > determine if the 675 will work or not on the new line. ( I know what > > > > qwest says, but since when should I start believing them?) > > > > > > > > please e-mail me offlist if you have one for sale or trade. > > > > > > > > ccox@linuxsnob.com > > > > > > > > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! > > > > www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Nick Davis > Associate Systems Administrator > ndavis@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Tue Nov 12 02:18:41 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What a slashdotting looks like In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heh, at a previous job, I ran the webserver crap and network for bmwusa.com. So, some of the creative people decide it would be a good idea to make this 1MB flash game for the last Bond movie, and then proceed to email all of the people signed up to receive newletters telling them about it. In any case, they forgot to mention it to me so I could tell them it was a bad idea, and I came into working finding 4 T1's completely maxed out. During the sept 11th thing, I worked for a large media site (probably the only one that actually stayed up all day). We pumped out over 500Mbit/sec of traffic all day long, and that's not including the several hundred Mbit/sec of video through Akamai. All of our pages had all ads and almost all images removed too, so that +500Mbit/sec of traffic was almost entirely text. Jay On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 10:16 AM, Nate Carlson wrote: > I told Jima I'd post something once the /.'d to my web site was over, > so > here it is. For those of you that are curious, here's what a > slashdotting > looks like from MRTG's perspective: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/switch1-17.real-time.com.17- > day.gif > > Amusing, eh? :) > > (We pulled through it just fine.. probably had a lot to do with the > fact > that the page was only ~12k total.) > > Oh, total hits on my web server yesterday: 122,487. That includes the > CSS, > image, etc.. there were 18,592 hits to the actual page that got /.'d. > Considering I usually get an average of 3,788 hits per day to this > site, > this is a lot of traffic. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 13 14:43:58 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAQ: posting from non-subscribed addresses Message-ID: <20021113110644.C14341@real-time.com> FAQ Entry: Q: Why are my posts to tclug-list being rejected with a message 'Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list.' I -am- a member! A: You are more then likely posting where the from in the SMTP headers does not match the email address you subscribed to the list. The easiest way to solve this yourself, is to subscribe all email addresses you post from to the list and set the "do not receive" mail option on them. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From austad at signal15.com Wed Nov 13 18:02:41 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations In-Reply-To: <20021109231708.D31992@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3745AB2C-F75C-11D6-9150-00039395531E@signal15.com> If you're interested in getting rid of a couple of the xterms, I'd definitely be interested in them. Does anyone know how to pipe audio through them when connecting to a linux Xserver? The one I have now has audio outputs on it, and a mic input. It looks like solaris provides a way to get audio to them, but I've found nothing for linux to do this. Jay On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 11:17 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: >> I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless >> workstations >> and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm curious >> to >> know if the performance would be generally acceptable. > > the one I had sitting on my desk for a while performed awfully well > for a 7 > year old box. was actually quite acceptable, provided you like IRIX. > (not > much hope of running anything else on them, but IRIX can be made > acceptable > if you install the GNU tools and/or just use it as an xterm for > programs > running somewhere else.) > > keep in mind, they *do* put out a *lot* of heat, which means they suck > a lot > of power, which means it costs more to run them than an x86-based > xterm. > > they look awfully cool tho. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Wed Nov 13 19:49:46 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations In-Reply-To: <3745AB2C-F75C-11D6-9150-00039395531E@signal15.com> References: <3745AB2C-F75C-11D6-9150-00039395531E@signal15.com> Message-ID: <1037235472.12992.2.camel@tranquility> esd On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:04, Jay Austad wrote: > If you're interested in getting rid of a couple of the xterms, I'd > definitely be interested in them. > > Does anyone know how to pipe audio through them when connecting to a > linux Xserver? The one I have now has audio outputs on it, and a mic > input. It looks like solaris provides a way to get audio to them, but > I've found nothing for linux to do this. > > Jay > > On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 11:17 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > >> I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless > >> workstations > >> and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm curious > >> to > >> know if the performance would be generally acceptable. > > > > the one I had sitting on my desk for a while performed awfully well > > for a 7 > > year old box. was actually quite acceptable, provided you like IRIX. > > (not > > much hope of running anything else on them, but IRIX can be made > > acceptable > > if you install the GNU tools and/or just use it as an xterm for > > programs > > running somewhere else.) > > > > keep in mind, they *do* put out a *lot* of heat, which means they suck > > a lot > > of power, which means it costs more to run them than an x86-based > > xterm. > > > > they look awfully cool tho. :) > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Systems Administrator > > Real-Time Enterprises > > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A From austad at signal15.com Thu Nov 14 03:54:55 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations In-Reply-To: <1037235472.12992.2.camel@tranquility> Message-ID: So esd can pipe audio in the correct format to the xterms? On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 06:57 PM, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > esd > > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:04, Jay Austad wrote: >> If you're interested in getting rid of a couple of the xterms, I'd >> definitely be interested in them. >> >> Does anyone know how to pipe audio through them when connecting to a >> linux Xserver? The one I have now has audio outputs on it, and a mic >> input. It looks like solaris provides a way to get audio to them, but >> I've found nothing for linux to do this. >> >> Jay >> >> On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 11:17 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: >>>> I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless >>>> workstations >>>> and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm >>>> curious >>>> to >>>> know if the performance would be generally acceptable. >>> >>> the one I had sitting on my desk for a while performed awfully well >>> for a 7 >>> year old box. was actually quite acceptable, provided you like IRIX. >>> (not >>> much hope of running anything else on them, but IRIX can be made >>> acceptable >>> if you install the GNU tools and/or just use it as an xterm for >>> programs >>> running somewhere else.) >>> >>> keep in mind, they *do* put out a *lot* of heat, which means they >>> suck >>> a lot >>> of power, which means it costs more to run them than an x86-based >>> xterm. >>> >>> they look awfully cool tho. :) >>> >>> Carl Soderstrom >>> -- >>> Systems Administrator >>> Real-Time Enterprises >>> www.real-time.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>> Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Jonathan Kline > Milwaukee School of Engineering > klinej@msoe.edu > PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E > BD2A > PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 05:55:39 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail Message-ID: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> Can I import my mail to Ximian Evolution from my Sylpheed directory including the address book? If so, what's the best way? From klinej at msoe.edu Thu Nov 14 08:46:43 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1037282059.733.4.camel@tranquility> esd is a network sound server daemon, and you can specify the host to connect to for "output"..... On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 02:56, Jay Austad wrote: > So esd can pipe audio in the correct format to the xterms? > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 06:57 PM, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > > > esd > > > > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:04, Jay Austad wrote: > >> If you're interested in getting rid of a couple of the xterms, I'd > >> definitely be interested in them. > >> > >> Does anyone know how to pipe audio through them when connecting to a > >> linux Xserver? The one I have now has audio outputs on it, and a mic > >> input. It looks like solaris provides a way to get audio to them, but > >> I've found nothing for linux to do this. > >> > >> Jay > >> > >> On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 11:17 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:28:14PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > >>>> I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless > >>>> workstations > >>>> and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm > >>>> curious > >>>> to > >>>> know if the performance would be generally acceptable. > >>> > >>> the one I had sitting on my desk for a while performed awfully well > >>> for a 7 > >>> year old box. was actually quite acceptable, provided you like IRIX. > >>> (not > >>> much hope of running anything else on them, but IRIX can be made > >>> acceptable > >>> if you install the GNU tools and/or just use it as an xterm for > >>> programs > >>> running somewhere else.) > >>> > >>> keep in mind, they *do* put out a *lot* of heat, which means they > >>> suck > >>> a lot > >>> of power, which means it costs more to run them than an x86-based > >>> xterm. > >>> > >>> they look awfully cool tho. :) > >>> > >>> Carl Soderstrom > >>> -- > >>> Systems Administrator > >>> Real-Time Enterprises > >>> www.real-time.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >>> Minnesota > >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >> Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Jonathan Kline > > Milwaukee School of Engineering > > klinej@msoe.edu > > PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E > > BD2A > > PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A From alcyone at slava.net Thu Nov 14 09:34:24 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING! Message-ID: <20021016022144.GA7343@sadalbari> Friday Friday Friday Friday Friday Mud Pie Restaurant on Lyndale this Friday 18 of October, from 6pm-8pm.... come chat geeky over food and drinks, all are welcome! http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting for more details! hope to see you there! Lorry From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Nov 14 15:02:20 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING! In-Reply-To: <20021016022144.GA7343@sadalbari> References: <20021016022144.GA7343@sadalbari> Message-ID: <20021114185123.GF16813@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:21:44PM -0500, Lorry wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Friday Friday Friday Friday Friday > > Mud Pie Restaurant on Lyndale > this Friday 18 of October, from 6pm-8pm.... > come chat geeky over food and drinks, all are welcome! > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting for more details! > > hope to see you there! Erm, yeah, how was it? > > Lorry -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Nov 14 15:11:40 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 Message-ID: I'm testing data destryoing/recovery tools to determine just how good is good enough when it comes to destroying data on a disk. I've read Peter Gutman's stuff and I've been using Dariks Boot and Nuke (wipe on a linux floppy) to destroy data. Now I need to find the world's greatest recovery utilities to see if there's any way of retreiving it. I've used a few different utilities so far, and the best one I've found is the tool that Ontrack provides on their website. Data can't hide from it, but after DBAN it sure did :-). I'm looking for something a little extra strength now... I want to make sure the ONLY way that data can be recovered involves a few trillion dollars and a clean room. These computers need to retain their hard disks, so grinding them down to fine powder or melting them into goo isn't an option, however I realize it is the most effective. Thanks! -Brian From alcyone at slava.net Thu Nov 14 15:18:30 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL BEERMEETING Message-ID: <20021114194954.GA30958@alkuds.redconcepts.net> I have no idea why the post from two beermeetings ago just went through, but I assure you that the next meeting it NOT at the Mud Pie. It's at ... GLOCKENSPIEL 16 N 6th St Minneapolis It's German food. It's for all geeks, their friends, their other halves, etc. Open to all! DON'T GO TO THE MUD PIE! At least not tomorrow night (I'm not suggesting a boycott). Go to GLOCKENSPIEL! FRIDAY NOVEMBER 15 FROM 6-8 AT GLOCKENSPIEL!!! From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Nov 14 15:40:31 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (loren@lorenburlingame.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING! In-Reply-To: <20021114185123.GF16813@techmonkeys.org> References: <20021016022144.GA7343@sadalbari> <20021114185123.GF16813@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <26417.12.47.38.130.1037307882.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:21:44PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> Friday Friday Friday Friday Friday >> >> Mud Pie Restaurant on Lyndale >> this Friday 18 of October, from 6pm-8pm.... >> come chat geeky over food and drinks, all are welcome! >> http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting for more details! >> >> hope to see you there! > > Erm, yeah, how was it? > I got the message too late as well :( From mnsan11 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 14 15:45:26 2002 From: mnsan11 at earthlink.net (Elvedin T) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1037308747.6323.2.camel@fragment> Doesn't something come with PGP where you can delete everything on a disk, create random data, encrypt it, wipe that too repeat the data several times... I think that is some sort of DoD standard too. After something like that, or a few formats, data quite possibly wont be recovered by software thats available for free or at a cheap price. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 13:23, Brian wrote: > I'm testing data destryoing/recovery tools to determine just how good is > good enough when it comes to destroying data on a disk. > > I've read Peter Gutman's stuff and I've been using Dariks Boot and > Nuke (wipe on a linux floppy) to destroy data. Now I need to find the > world's greatest recovery utilities to see if there's any way of > retreiving it. I've used a few different utilities so far, and the best > one I've found is the tool that Ontrack provides on their website. Data > can't hide from it, but after DBAN it sure did :-). I'm looking for > something a little extra strength now... I want to make sure the ONLY way > that data can be recovered involves a few trillion dollars and a clean > room. > > These computers need to retain their hard disks, so grinding them down to > fine powder or melting them into goo isn't an option, however I realize it > is the most effective. > > Thanks! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks From mthoren at mttcc.com Thu Nov 14 18:31:17 2002 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 References: Message-ID: <3DD418B9.9010907@mttcc.com> I was wondering about this subject after the local news station here got hold of a few used state government machines. Couldn't you achieve the same thing if: 1. use fdisk and repartion the drive into 1 or more partitions. 2. create a large file(2MB+ size determined by memory and disk geometry?) with a null characters repeated as contents for the file. 3. copy the file as many times to fill up the disk Wouldn't this overwrite everything on the disk? Where else could the old data be hiding? Brian wrote: >I'm testing data destryoing/recovery tools to determine just how good is >good enough when it comes to destroying data on a disk. > > > > From djb at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 14 18:43:58 2002 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting November 21 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- Next Meeting: Topic: How the IT Hiring Process Works Speaker: Mark Dembouski, Senior Recruiter - West Group Date/Time: November 21, 2002 7:00 pm Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) Synopsis: Mark will talk about how companies are hiring for IT and how it affects candidates. Potential topics, depending upon interest, include insights into the hiring process, resumes, where to look for jobs, online applications, and other tips. About the Speaker: Mark Dembouski has been the Senior Corporate Recruiter at West Group, supporting the 1300+ person IT Department, for the past two years. Before coming to West, he spent over three years at Consulting and Manufacturing companies in the Twin Cities. Prior to that, he spent six years as a headhunter in the Silicon Valley. During that time, he was heavily involved in the recruitment of UNIX talent. He has attended two LISA conferences, and has been a member of SAGE and BayLISA. In addition, he assisted with the writing of SAGE's first booklet in the "Short Topics in System Administration" titled "Job Descriptions for Systems Administrators." Mark holds a Master's Degree in Physics from the University of North Dakota, and a Bachelor's degree in Physics and Math from Augsburg College. We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of the building. Tentative Meeting Schedule December 19, 2002 January 16, 2003 Directions: Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. - From the South (35W) Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the North (35W) Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the West (94/394) Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the East (94) Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your right. - Parking Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in front of the building along University Ave. - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/frames/framebody/pages/about/upp.htm For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 14 18:50:11 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache and mime-types Message-ID: Can you confirm you are getting the wrong headers? Try: # telnet yourhost.yournet 80 GET /yoururl/file.pls HTTP/1.0 (with two carriage returns after the '.../1.0' part) and see what headers say. Just trying to nail it down to a server problem... >>> MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com 11/14/02 03:19PM >>> I'm trying to get Apache to serve *.pls files the right way instead of just serving them as plain text. I've added the following line to the httpd.conf file: AddType audio/x-scpls .pls And this line to /etc/mime.types audio/mpegurl pls I've restarted Apache and the *.pls files still get served as text/plain. Can someone please steer me in the right direction here? How can I get Apache to serve the file with the right mime-type instead of just spitting out the text that is in the *.pls file? Thanks _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 18:55:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash Message-ID: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: command |& tee output stdout and stderr get piped to tee I tried this under bash. command | tee output 2>&1 No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Nov 14 19:10:37 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How well does IDE DVD burning work? Message-ID: <20021114184822.A19906@localhost.localdomain> I'm thinking about buying a DVD burner to backup large data sets. I'm also a bit skeptical, and was wondering if anyone can comment on how well the technology works. I've seen my share of poor CDRW drives, and was never very impressed with re-writable CD media. Do the DVD re-writable media work, or are they flaky? BestBuy has got a Sony DRU-500A drive for $350(8-MB cache) and a Memorex drive for $250(2-MB cache). Anyone try these out? Any comments welcome. From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Nov 14 19:13:06 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (loren@lorenburlingame.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache and mime-types In-Reply-To: <61823.209.98.213.140.1037308799.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <61823.209.98.213.140.1037308799.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <39469.64.24.26.133.1037321028.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> > I'm trying to get Apache to serve *.pls files the right way instead of > just serving them as plain text. > I've added the following line to the httpd.conf file: > AddType audio/x-scpls .pls > > And this line to /etc/mime.types > audio/mpegurl pls > > > I've restarted Apache and the *.pls files still get served as > text/plain. Can someone please steer me in the right direction here? > How can I get Apache to serve the file with the right mime-type instead > of just spitting out the text that is in the *.pls file? > > Thanks You might need to add ExecCGI as one of your Options within a directory section if the scripts exist outside of the cgi-bin directory. also I added the following line (which should work instead of the AddType under the mod_mime module) AddHandler cgi-script .pl Hope that helps LB From johnl at cs.wisc.edu Thu Nov 14 19:14:54 2002 From: johnl at cs.wisc.edu (J David Lee) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> Message-ID: You can force a stream to a file using >|. command 2>| junk You can also do command 1 >junk 2>&1 to pipe both std out and std err to junk. On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: > > command |& tee output > > stdout and stderr get piped to tee > > I tried this under bash. > > command | tee output 2>&1 > > No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? > > > -- J. David Lee From mnsan11 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 14 21:27:16 2002 From: mnsan11 at earthlink.net (Elvedin T) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1037322627.2004.1.camel@fragment> command 2>&1 1>&- | next-command Supposedly, that should work, but I don't know. Try it and find out. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 17:31, Bob Tanner wrote: > Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: > > command |& tee output > > stdout and stderr get piped to tee > > I tried this under bash. > > command | tee output 2>&1 > > No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You need to combine stderr and stdout before you tee it. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 21:33:17 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NJ-100 wall hubs Message-ID: <1037323535.21643.5.camel@fjorn> Has anyone used one of the 3Com NJ-100 wall jack hubs before? I'm looking at freeing up some desk space, and am curious how well these work. Also, is there any place local that sells them for less than I could online? http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3CNJ100-BLK From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Nov 14 21:38:54 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache and mime-types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64370.209.98.213.140.1037325589.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I was getting the right mime-type using the method that you described, Troy. It seems that old faithful Apache was perfoming well as usual. After thinking about your suggestion, I decided to look over the tcphp.org mailing list and I found a solution in php that goes a little like this: It was just that Apache wasn't sending all the right kind of headers, so I just told php to do it. Thanks for the lead. I needed a little kickstart today. > Can you confirm you are getting > the wrong headers? Try: > > # telnet yourhost.yournet 80 > GET /yoururl/file.pls HTTP/1.0 > > (with two carriage returns after > the '.../1.0' part) and see what > headers say. Just trying to nail > it down to a server problem... > >>>> MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com 11/14/02 03:19PM >>> > I'm trying to get Apache to serve *.pls files the right way instead of > just serving them as plain text. > I've added the following line to the httpd.conf file: > AddType audio/x-scpls .pls > > And this line to /etc/mime.types > audio/mpegurl pls > > > I've restarted Apache and the *.pls files still get served as > text/plain. > Can someone please steer me in the right direction here? > How can I get Apache to serve the file with the right mime-type instead > of > just spitting out the text that is in the *.pls file? > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 21:42:34 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive Message-ID: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> I have a machine with a RAID card that I haven't been able to make work, so I've been booting from a floppy. This seems like a bad thing since sometimes the floppy wears out. Recently, I was given a SCSI drive and installed it, and I was thinking about starting to boot from the SCSI drive. I'm pretty much a novice with LILO (and have never used GRUB), so I'm a little stumped about how to do this. In particular, two questions: 1. Is there a good way to experiment with this? Right now I have a floppy boot disk. It then boots from hde1 (first partition on the first of the RAID drives). For that purpose, I believe I want to have a /boot mounted from /hde1. But now if I want to put LILO on /dev/sda1, don't I have to mount /boot from there? Is there a convenient way to have /boot come from one place or another depending on how you boot? Or is it possible for me to boot from /dev/sda1 while having /boot on /dev/hde1? I realize that this is probably a stupid question, but it seems so stupid that none of the people who write the FMs explain it clearly. 2. [somewhat OT:] I have a TYAN Tiger MPX motherboard and, as far as I understand the BIOS screens and docs, it seems like it SHOULD be able to boot from the PCI SCSI controller. But I haven't been able to convince it to do so. Anyone tried to do this with any luck? Many thanks, R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 21:46:16 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15828.24432.397218.203184@tsathoggua.mydomain> Just out of curiosity, Bob, why did you switch from tcsh to bash? I suppose it'll start a religious war, but I actually TRIED switching to bash and then went back to tcsh. The "killer app" for me was that tcsh (from csh) had gobs of better pathname-editing operators (like dropping the extension), easily available; and a more familiar syntax. bash offered unfamiliar syntax, didn't have my beloved $i:r operation, and although it was better for programming, I figured perl was better than the shell ANYWAY.... There! That should roil the waters a bit! R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 21:48:06 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: <1037308747.6323.2.camel@fragment> References: <1037308747.6323.2.camel@fragment> Message-ID: <15828.24930.872473.616963@tsathoggua.mydomain> Elvedin T writes: > Doesn't something come with PGP where you can delete everything on a > disk, create random data, encrypt it, wipe that too repeat the data > several times... I think that is some sort of DoD standard too. After > something like that, or a few formats, data quite possibly wont be > recovered by software thats available for free or at a cheap price. I think you're probably referring to "shred", which comes with gpg. r From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Nov 14 22:12:19 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:31:55PM -0600 References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021114212731.A20582@localhost.localdomain> The order is significant, this works: command 2>&1 | tee output On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:31:55PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: > > command |& tee output > > stdout and stderr get piped to tee > > I tried this under bash. > > command | tee output 2>&1 > > No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 14 23:41:28 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <15828.24432.397218.203184@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> <15828.24432.397218.203184@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200211142240.08368.tanner@real-time.com> On Thursday 14 November 2002 08:44 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity, Bob, why did you switch from tcsh to bash? Easier to compile. bash seems to have more active development. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From nate at refried.org Fri Nov 15 08:22:01 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: <3DD418B9.9010907@mttcc.com> References: <3DD418B9.9010907@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20021115131104.GA16937@refried.org> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 03:42:17PM -0600, Matt Thoren wrote: > Couldn't you achieve the same thing if: > 1. use fdisk and repartion the drive into 1 or more partitions. > 2. create a large file(2MB+ size determined by memory and disk > geometry?) with a null characters repeated as contents for the file. > 3. copy the file as many times to fill up the disk > > Wouldn't this overwrite everything on the disk? Where else could the > old data be hiding? In the unused metadata regions of the new file system. They aren't big, but there is room for data to show through there. Nate From bfriedman at excite.com Fri Nov 15 08:30:26 2002 From: bfriedman at excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Apache and mod_zip Message-ID: <20021115131950.C7F953E05@xmxpita.excite.com> I will be setting up a server with a measly (128kpbs) up connection soon. Has anyone worked with mod_zip and apache 1.3 or 2.0? I am wondering how much of an increase in throughput can be expected from mod_zip in the real world. Thanks, Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021115/90adde5e/attachment.htm From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Nov 15 08:47:42 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 Message-ID: Yeah, there was a looong thread on this very subject on securityfocus-security basics (I think). But it was mentioned (several times) in that thread that the DoD standard is seven wipes using non-repeating/random data before it is considered clean for "confidential" data, if I recall correctly. But there was mention of several tools there as well as some interesting discussion on the how & why of data deletion/masking and data recovery (both software and scanning-electron recovery methods). -John >>> mnsan11@earthlink.net 11/14/02 03:19PM >>> Doesn't something come with PGP where you can delete everything on a disk, create random data, encrypt it, wipe that too repeat the data several times... I think that is some sort of DoD standard too. After something like that, or a few formats, data quite possibly wont be recovered by software thats available for free or at a cheap price. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 13:23, Brian wrote: > I'm testing data destryoing/recovery tools to determine just how good is > good enough when it comes to destroying data on a disk. > > I've read Peter Gutman's stuff and I've been using Dariks Boot and > Nuke (wipe on a linux floppy) to destroy data. Now I need to find the > world's greatest recovery utilities to see if there's any way of > retreiving it. I've used a few different utilities so far, and the best > one I've found is the tool that Ontrack provides on their website. Data > can't hide from it, but after DBAN it sure did :-). I'm looking for > something a little extra strength now... I want to make sure the ONLY way > that data can be recovered involves a few trillion dollars and a clean > room. > > These computers need to retain their hard disks, so grinding them down to > fine powder or melting them into goo isn't an option, however I realize it > is the most effective. From veldy at veldy.net Fri Nov 15 09:26:36 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Apache and mod_zip References: <20021115131950.C7F953E05@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <008001c28cb6$35605f40$c00c460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> I suspect at least 100% on HTML (images, almost none). Assuming you have the processor for it, which is probably insignificant considering you only have 128Kbps upload. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: bfriedman@excite.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Apache and mod_zip I will be setting up a server with a measly (128kpbs) up connection soon. Has anyone worked with mod_zip and apache 1.3 or 2.0? I am wondering how much of an increase in throughput can be expected from mod_zip in the real world. Thanks, Brent Friedman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021115/7ee83170/attachment.html From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 15 09:27:55 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Apache and mod_zip In-Reply-To: <20021115131950.C7F953E05@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20021115131950.C7F953E05@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <20021115150453.GA16757@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 08:19:50AM -0500, bfriedman@excite.com wrote: > > I will be setting up a server with a measly (128kpbs) up connection > soon. Has anyone worked with mod_zip and apache 1.3 or 2.0? I am > wondering how much of an increase in throughput can be expected from > mod_zip in the real world. I've used mod_gzip with 1.3 and mod_deflate with 2.0, and they work well. At least if you have cpu to spare. The effectiveness really matters on how much of your content is compressable. I see anywhere from 25-75% compression on webpages (for browsers that understand gzip compression). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From clay at fandre.com Fri Nov 15 13:16:07 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021114212731.A20582@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> <20021114212731.A20582@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021115154127.GD14972@spidey> How about reading the man page? There's a whole section on "redirection". On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Karl Bongers wrote: > The order is significant, this works: > command 2>&1 | tee output > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:31:55PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: > > > > command |& tee output > > > > stdout and stderr get piped to tee > > > > I tried this under bash. > > > > command | tee output 2>&1 > > > > No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? > > From jsanborn at earthlink.net Fri Nov 15 13:18:12 2002 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Set Up Help Message-ID: Hi All, I'm new on the list and new to Linux. Unfortunately, I just missed the installfest as well. If anyone in the vacinity of Andover is good with Samba and networking in general, as well as apache/tomcat configuration, I could really use some help. Funds are not unlimited, but let me know what you require for a couple hours time. Thanks, John Sanborn From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 15 13:26:10 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: <3DD418B9.9010907@mttcc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Matt Thoren wrote: > I was wondering about this subject after the local news station here got > hold of a few used state government machines. This is the basis for the project I'm doing, finding out if our method is good enough. We use a closed source program for wiping the data off, I don't know exactly how it works. So far I've found that it works pretty good, but there's room for improvement. > Couldn't you achieve the same thing if: > 1. use fdisk and repartion the drive into 1 or more partitions. Most software can recover data from this method. In fact, I think this is the method the state is currently using. There's a HOWTO on recovering an fdisk'd partition with linux, using a couple fs snooping tools you can easily refind the partitions and recover the complete file system. > 2. create a large file(2MB+ size determined by memory and disk > geometry?) with a null characters repeated as contents for the file. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda seems to be fairly effective. Usually one pass with 0s makes the drive immune to software recovery. > Wouldn't this overwrite everything on the disk? Where else could the > old data be hiding? That's what I don't know. Somehow data slips through occasionally even after a wipe from /dev/zero. Doing a quick wipe using the wipe utility for *nix seems to be more effective (slower) than /dev/zero, and as far as I can tell data is unrecoverable by software. DoD/NSA claim that if you write 7 layers of random bits on the disk, even they can't recover it using MRI type tools (probably far superior to what Ontrack uses). Peter Gutmann claims that it's still recoverable at that point. He has a well written paper on how certain bit patterns make different magnetic signatures that mask better than others. Wipe for *nix uses 19 of his patterns and 16 random ones, making a total of 35 passes of random bits. While that should be sufficient, even Peter feels that it may not be enough. What I'd like to do is to run wipe on a disk and send it to Ontrack to see if they can recover it. Unfortunately there's a huge cost to that, but then I'd know for sure that 35 passes of random bits is truly good enough. -Brian From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Nov 15 13:30:48 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Real BeerMeeting + corrected address Message-ID: Okay, evidently there was some mix-up on the location of the Glockenspiel. The correct address is: 605 West 7th St. St. Paul, MN 55102 I'm not sure about the parking situation, either. A reservation has been placed for between "six and unknown" persons (I gave my usual 6-20 warning); some people voiced a concern about that on IRC and offline. Hope to see you there! Jima From veldy at veldy.net Fri Nov 15 13:53:47 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Set Up Help References: Message-ID: <01ae01c28cdc$d22ddcf0$c00c460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> I live in Coon Rapids and might be able to lend you a hand. Email me privately (veldy@veldy.net). Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sanborn" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Set Up Help > Hi All, > > I'm new on the list and new to Linux. Unfortunately, I just missed the > installfest as well. If anyone in the vacinity of Andover is good with Samba > and networking in general, as well as apache/tomcat configuration, I could > really use some help. Funds are not unlimited, but let me know what you > require for a couple hours time. > > Thanks, > > John Sanborn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 15 13:57:12 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > 2. [somewhat OT:] I have a TYAN Tiger MPX motherboard and, as far as > I understand the BIOS screens and docs, it seems like it SHOULD be > able to boot from the PCI SCSI controller. But I haven't been able to > convince it to do so. Anyone tried to do this with any luck? next time you recompile the kernel, look under IDE devices look for "Boot off-board chipsets first support" this _may_ do the trick, i never played with this Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 15 14:38:23 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Brian wrote: > > 2. create a large file(2MB+ size determined by memory and disk > > geometry?) with a null characters repeated as contents for the file. > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda seems to be fairly effective. Usually one > pass with 0s makes the drive immune to software recovery. not quite true, a simple zero-fill does nothing to insure your security, basic tools may not be able to recover the data, but ghost data can be recovered after 5 zero-fills or in that neighborhood. it has to do with the fact that the magnetic media keeps state for a long ass time. and a zero-fill will overwrite "sectors" and "cylinders" but does not visit every single bit on disk. if you want to be sure, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/ and repeat 10 or so times.... > What I'd like to do is to run wipe on a disk and send it to Ontrack to see > if they can recover it. Unfortunately there's a huge cost to that, but > then I'd know for sure that 35 passes of random bits is truly good enough. > > -Brian if you are going to do 35passes on a 160GB drive, might as well buy a new one because by the time it is done TBmicrodrives will be in the penny range... Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Nov 15 14:44:57 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <20021115154127.GD14972@spidey>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:41:27AM -0600 References: <20021114173155.G24340@real-time.com> <20021114212731.A20582@localhost.localdomain> <20021115154127.GD14972@spidey> Message-ID: <20021115143635.A28053@localhost.localdomain> You mean the bash man book? The chapter on redirection? I always fall asleep half way through :) On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:41:27AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > How about reading the man page? There's a whole section on > "redirection". > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Karl Bongers wrote: > > > The order is significant, this works: > > command 2>&1 | tee output > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:31:55PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Being an old tcsh user, I use to be able to do this: > > > > > > command |& tee output > > > > > > stdout and stderr get piped to tee > > > > > > I tried this under bash. > > > > > > command | tee output 2>&1 > > > > > > No go. How do you pipe stderr in bash? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Nov 15 17:35:13 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: References: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> Munir Nassar writes: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > 2. [somewhat OT:] I have a TYAN Tiger MPX motherboard and, as far as > > I understand the BIOS screens and docs, it seems like it SHOULD be > > able to boot from the PCI SCSI controller. But I haven't been able to > > convince it to do so. Anyone tried to do this with any luck? > > next time you recompile the kernel, look under IDE devices look for "Boot > off-board chipsets first support" > > this _may_ do the trick, i never played with this Munir, Thanks for the suggestion. I just wanted to follow-up, because I'm not sure I understand. Here's the question ---- why would the kernel enter into this at all? Shouldn't it just be up to the BIOS whether or not I can boot from the SCSI controller? I mean, by the time the kernel is loaded, isn't the issue decided? Anyone know? Thanks! R From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 15 18:05:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: ActionTec Firmware Release 1.60.10.0.30 will be available 11/26/02 Message-ID: <20021115164550.A30343@real-time.com> Hate those ActionTec routers because they can't do subnet routing? http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/Actiontec1520.html. VIP Support Support of all Subnets Dynamic Routing (RIP version 1 and 2) Advanced Port Forwarding (Static NAT) Built in Configurable Firewall NetMeeting Support Expanded Diagnostic Parameters Full implementation of Remote Management Expanded User Guide Provided on Actiontec CD-ROM Addition of Wireless networking support in Actiontec Installation Buddy Additional Static IP addressing support in Actiontec Installation Buddy Enabeling Remote Management will require the user to set an Executive Password +before Remote Management can be used. Setting the Executive Password will apply to Telnet as well. (We are driving to have RFC 1483 routed mode available by mid December. ) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Nov 15 19:51:58 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:13 2005 Subject: Finding drives was Re: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1037406417.22511.17.camel@fjorn> On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:54, Munir Nassar wrote: > > if you want to be sure, dd if=/dev/random > of=/dev/ and repeat 10 or so times.... > Sorry to somewhat hijack this thread, but it reminded me of my tape drive. This is a stupid newbie question, but I've never had to do it on a linux box before: How do I find out what device my tape drive is? On HP's I can do: # ioscan -fnC tape On 5.x Tru64: # hwmgr -show device Is there an equivalent for linux? Thanks and sorry for the basic question. Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 15 21:15:45 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1037413647.2974.5392.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 15:04, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Munir Nassar writes: > > next time you recompile the kernel, look under IDE devices look for "Boot > > off-board chipsets first support" > > > > this _may_ do the trick, i never played with this > > Munir, > > Thanks for the suggestion. I just wanted to follow-up, because I'm > not sure I understand. Here's the question ---- why would the kernel > enter into this at all? Shouldn't it just be up to the BIOS whether > or not I can boot from the SCSI controller? I mean, by the time the > kernel is loaded, isn't the issue decided? Anyone know? Yeah, I think the "off-board chipset support" is for making a PCI card controller appear to be the primary and secondary (etc.) controllers, making the onboard IDE controllers tertiary and quaternary (or quintessential or sexy or something). There's a lot of information on how boot loaders are supposed to work on normal x86 hardware in the LILO documentation. Basically, the BIOS reads ~512 bytes of data from a boot device. That's the bootsector, and in terms of most Linux bootloaders, it's the first stage. With Linux, the bootloader then tries to find the correct device to read it's second stage from. This second stage can be significantly bigger than 512 bytes, which allows the nifty graphics and menus that we see today in LILO and other bootloaders. The second stage actually loads the kernel. With LILO, the "LI" is usually written to the screen by the first stage, and the second stage writes "LO". There are several things to be concerned about when setting up a boot loader: Where to write the bootloader so the BIOS will load the first stage, ensuring that the second stage can be loaded, and ensuring the second stage can find and load a kernel. Usually this is relatively simple, but mixed SCSI/IDE systems and RAID controllers can confuse things. A normal PC will number off the fixed disks in a system as 0x80, 0x81, etc. In a mixed SCSI/IDE computer, it's not always possible to know what device shows up as the first disk. /etc/lilo.conf will let you specify which device corresponds to each number with disk= parameters like this: disk=/dev/sda bios=0x80 disk=/dev/hda bios=0x81 I've never been in a situation where I had to map out the devices without at least having a good guess, but I imagine a floppy with GRUB installed on it would help out a lot. GRUB can do tab-completion, and should give you a list of possible devices to boot from if you type in `(hd' and then hit Tab. If you look at what partitions exist on each drive, you should be able to determine the order that the BIOS sees them in. It might also be useful to try out the SBM bootloader (which incidentally is really useful for booting bootable CD-ROMs in older computers that can't do it themselves). Once the drives are mapped out properly, it should be a piece of cake to get LILO running. As far as I know, LILO doesn't care too much about where /boot shows up, as long as it is on a drive that is accessible at boot time. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Floggings will continue / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ until morale improves. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a stupid newbie question, but I've never had to do it on > a linux box before: How do I find out what device my tape drive is? > > On HP's I can do: > # ioscan -fnC tape > > On 5.x Tru64: > # hwmgr -show device > > Is there an equivalent for linux? # cdrecord -scanbus # cat /proc/scsi/scsi florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Output is below, and yes they are some OLD drives. Shawn root@wormy:~# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: DEC Model: DSP3210S Rev: 441E Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00 Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-S Rev: N1B0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 Vendor: QUANTUM Model: XP34550S Rev: LXQ1 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 03 Lun: 00 Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST32430N Rev: 0170 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 04 Lun: 00 Vendor: WangDAT Model: Model 3200 Rev: 02.2 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00 Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: CD-ROM XM-4101TA Rev: 1084 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: J.67 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 16 02:36:31 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: Finding drives was Re: [TCLUG] data recovery for FAT32 In-Reply-To: <1037406417.22511.17.camel@fjorn> References: <1037406417.22511.17.camel@fjorn> Message-ID: <1037433565.2974.5400.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 18:26, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Sorry to somewhat hijack this thread, but it reminded me of my tape > drive. This is a stupid newbie question, but I've never had to do it on > a linux box before: How do I find out what device my tape drive is? On Linux, the first SCSI tape device shows up as /dev/st0 (or /dev/nst0 for non-rewinding devices). If you have multiple tape drives, they should probably be numbered in the same order as they show up in /proc/scsi/scsi I'm not sure what the devfs names would be, though.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Okay, who stopped the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ payment on my reality \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) check? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021116/97f08ad3/attachment.gif From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sat Nov 16 11:34:18 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] piping stderr in bash In-Reply-To: <15828.24432.397218.203184@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: I just wish everyone would switch to zsh which seems to be the best of both worlds. On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity, Bob, why did you switch from tcsh to bash? > > I suppose it'll start a religious war, but I actually TRIED switching > to bash and then went back to tcsh. The "killer app" for me was that > tcsh (from csh) had gobs of better pathname-editing operators (like > dropping the extension), easily available; and a more familiar > syntax. bash offered unfamiliar syntax, didn't have my beloved $i:r > operation, and although it was better for programming, I figured perl > was better than the shell ANYWAY.... > > > There! That should roil the waters a bit! -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From ndavis at iexposure.com Sat Nov 16 21:54:38 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems Message-ID: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone has heard of these Actiontec 1520 dsl routers randomly losing their dsl connections with qwest. Most everytime someone calls with their internet connection not working, the solution is to turn the actiontec router off and then back on.. and *poof* it works again. Customers with all other (intel/cisco) dsl routers are not haveing any problems. I was wondering if any other dsl providers have noticed this issue or have gotten and decent answers from Qwest. Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sun Nov 17 05:25:23 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems In-Reply-To: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <63315.209.98.213.140.1037523947.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I've never used an Actiontec 1520, but I have experienced the *poof* syndrome. My former neighbor and I both used Cisco 678's. He used Qwest for his ISP and I used a different ISP. My neighbor would sporadically loose his connection requiring him to reboot the modem and I never experienced this with a different ISP. That being said, I can confirm that customers with Cisco routers are having the same problem with Qwest. It might not be the router... That's just my $.02 > Greetings all, > I was wondering if anyone has heard of these Actiontec 1520 dsl routers > > randomly losing their dsl connections with qwest. Most everytime someone > calls with their internet connection not working, the solution is to > turn the actiontec router off and then back on.. and *poof* it works > again. > Customers with all other (intel/cisco) dsl routers are not haveing any > problems. > I was wondering if any other dsl providers have noticed this issue or > have > gotten and decent answers from Qwest. > > Nick > -- > Nick Davis > Associate Systems Administrator > ndavis@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Nov 17 11:11:26 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <1037413647.2974.5392.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1037413647.2974.5392.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <15831.50449.649296.78444@tsathoggua.mydomain> [OK, I think I'm moving into OT-land here, because I don't think I really have a Linux problem. But hoping this isn't too far off, since it's relevant to getting Linux booting...] I was thinking that maybe the problem was in my SCSI adapter --- maybe for some reason the disk isn't bootable. So I was going to try to check the SCSI BIOS. Now, my board's manual says, apropos of "Accessing the System BIOS Values": Restart your computer system. The system detects the SCSI host adapter, indicates that the system is running, conducts a BIOS scan, and lists all peripherals on the SCSI chain. The AdvanSys banner appears. Unfortunately, this absolutely does NOT happen. The SCSI controller seems to be working properly, because it's detected and I can mount an attached SCSI drive, read, and write it fine. BUT I never seem to get the opportunity to meddle with the SCSI BIOS (and I can press ^A until I'm blue in the face, and nothing happens, except for the Tyan BIOS complaining that there's a stuck key). Any suggestions? Thanks, R From churchid at visi.com Sun Nov 17 11:13:30 2002 From: churchid at visi.com (Daniel Churchill) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems In-Reply-To: <63315.209.98.213.140.1037523947.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> <63315.209.98.213.140.1037523947.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <02111710500800.02746@nat4.dc.dan> I too have occaisionally had this problem with a Cisco 678, where I need to reboot it. I have Visi for an ISP... On Sunday 17 November 2002 03:05 am, Mark Courtney wrote: > I've never used an Actiontec 1520, but I have experienced the *poof* > syndrome. My former neighbor and I both used Cisco 678's. He used > Qwest for his ISP and I used a different ISP. My neighbor would > sporadically loose his connection requiring him to reboot the modem and > I never experienced this with a different ISP. > > That being said, I can confirm that customers with Cisco routers are > having the same problem with Qwest. It might not be the router... > > That's just my $.02 > From mbrowne at attbi.com Sun Nov 17 13:31:33 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux in the News Message-ID: <000701c28e5d$e291bda0$1e02a8c0@zippy> http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,44531,FF.html From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Nov 17 13:33:07 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems In-Reply-To: <02111710500800.02746@nat4.dc.dan>; from churchid@visi.com on Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 10:50:08AM -0600 References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> <63315.209.98.213.140.1037523947.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <02111710500800.02746@nat4.dc.dan> Message-ID: <20021117112418.A14040@joelschneider.net> I have never (since December 1999) had to reboot my Cisco 675 in order to reestablish a connection. On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 10:50:08AM -0600, Daniel Churchill wrote: > I too have occaisionally had this problem with a Cisco 678, where I need > to reboot it. I have Visi for an ISP... > > On Sunday 17 November 2002 03:05 am, Mark Courtney wrote: > > I've never used an Actiontec 1520, but I have experienced the *poof* > > syndrome. My former neighbor and I both used Cisco 678's. He used > > Qwest for his ISP and I used a different ISP. My neighbor would > > sporadically loose his connection requiring him to reboot the modem and > > I never experienced this with a different ISP. > > > > That being said, I can confirm that customers with Cisco routers are > > having the same problem with Qwest. It might not be the router... > > > > That's just my $.02 > > -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 17 13:37:19 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems In-Reply-To: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <200211171147.18800.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 16 October 2002 09:37 am, Nick Davis wrote: > Greetings all, > I was wondering if anyone has heard of these Actiontec 1520 dsl routers > randomly losing their dsl connections with qwest. Most everytime someone > calls with their internet connection not working, the solution is to turn > the actiontec router off and then back on.. and *poof* it works again. > Customers with all other (intel/cisco) dsl routers are not haveing any > problems. > I was wondering if any other dsl providers have noticed this issue or have > gotten and decent answers from Qwest. Have you flashed the router? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sun Nov 17 13:39:27 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> <63315.209.98.213.140.1037523947.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <02111710500800.02746@nat4.dc.dan> Message-ID: <3DD7DA12.7C9A12D0@ppdonline.com> > > That being said, I can confirm that customers with Cisco routers are > > having the same problem with Qwest. It might not be the router... I had to do that a couple times with my 675 back when the code red virus was first making the rounds (I did it maybe once a week tops for about three weeks to a month) but since the patch came out for the CBOS I haven't had to unplug (not sure how long it's been now but minimum of several months and I'm always connected and always running). Later, Ben (happy with my Qwest service). From kremer at ringworld.org Sun Nov 17 15:10:42 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <15831.50449.649296.78444@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1037413647.2974.5392.camel@3po.thodt.net> <15831.50449.649296.78444@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20021117135131.4ab4a9a6.kremer@ringworld.org> I can think of a couple things. One possibility is that there wre two versions of your card made...one with the SCSI BIOS and one without. You might have the version without, or the card may have a firmware version that doesn't have a SCSI BIOS. You may want to check their website and see if there are firmware updates. It's also possible that there are jumpers on the card to enable or disable the SCSI BIOS. These are all things that I've seen in my dealings with SCSI adapters, though i've never dealt with AdvanSys, as far as i can recall. - Kremer On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:34:25 -0600 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > BUT I never seem to get the opportunity to meddle with the SCSI BIOS > (and I can press ^A until I'm blue in the face, and nothing happens, > except for the Tyan BIOS complaining that there's a stuck key). > > Any suggestions? From estabroo at talkware.net Sun Nov 17 18:02:23 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp question References: <3DC988F0.9050201@andersonfam.org> <1036645745.27640.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036648754.3dca013215a96@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <3DD69744.5090106@talkware.net> Erik V. Anderson wrote: >Here was my second strategy: > > /Common > > /cust1 > > |_ symlink to Common > > /cust2 > > |_ symling to Common > > > > etc etc.....well that didn't work since the users were chrooted to their > > home dirs. > > > > The easiest way by far is to use the --bind option in mount, but you have to be running a 2.4 or greater kernel. for example if you /home/Common /home/cust1 /home/cust2 ... then mount --bind /home/Common /home/cust1/Common mount --bind /home/Common /home/cust1/Common the linux mount commands lets you mount a directory as many times as you'd like and pretty much wherever you'd like. Eric From doughanson at attbi.com Sun Nov 17 18:11:48 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stereo's and TV's Message-ID: <01f201c28e88$e3711290$0400a8c0@doug> Hi All, I have a little problem setting up my Surround sound, PIP TV, VCR and DVD player. They are all Sony. Is there anyone out there that is good with this stuff? Pizza and beer or some type of compensation is a given! Please email me offline at the address below. Thanks, Doug Hanson doughanson@attbi.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 17 20:15:17 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stereo's and TV's In-Reply-To: <01f201c28e88$e3711290$0400a8c0@doug> Message-ID: Well I love TVs and Stereos (: Where do you live? You can off-the-list this. On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Doug Hanson wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a little problem setting up my Surround sound, PIP TV, VCR and > DVD player. They are all Sony. Is there anyone out there that is good with > this stuff? Pizza and beer or some type of compensation is a given! Please > email me offline at the address below. > > > Thanks, > > Doug Hanson > doughanson@attbi.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From davjohn at mn.rr.com Mon Nov 18 00:28:45 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fetchmail+procmail+courier-imap+squirrelmail Message-ID: <1037594724.1878.15.camel@me.carboxylman.com> I'm more than sure that somebody on this list has tried to use courier-imap + squirrelmail to manage multiple accounts. So I'm hoping for confirmation that I'm doing this right. I got courier-imap up, running, and authenticating with pam. I got squirrelmail running with mysql, and I used it to create a bunch of imap folders on my server. Now I'm trying to collect mail from all my accounts using fetchmail, and then delivering and sorting through procmail. I tried it with one account and a plain .procmailrc. Fetchmail worked fine, and I told procmail to dump the test email into ~/.maildir/.INBOX.mailbox_name/new. Here's the .fetchmailrc: poll myhost.mydomain with proto POP3 user david%mydomain password x mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" and .procmailrc: VERBOSE=no LOGFILE=$HOME/.pmlog MAILDIR=$HOME/.maildir DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.INBOX.david_AT_mydomain/new :0 $DEFAULT Is that the right way to do things? I looked in ~/.maildir/.INBOX.mailbox_name/new, and I saw two things: -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 726 Nov 17 13:52 1037562727.22075_0.orthanc.carboxylman.com,S=726:2,S -rw------- 1 david users 946 Nov 17 22:30 msg.QWvB:2,S The first had been received using squirrelmail's fetch plugin, and the second came through fetchmail/procmail. Is this right? I guess I'm just a bit curious as to why the first filename is so different than the second. Thanks very much for your help. david From admin at lctn.org Mon Nov 18 07:46:14 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] importing usernames Message-ID: <1560.66.103.161.14.1037621867.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> We want to set squid to require authentication on our RedHat 7.3 server. We would like to import all the usernames (and passwords if possible) from our Novell 4.11 server for this. Is there a good doc on how to do this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 18 08:02:15 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] October TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20020924200102.GL21850@fandre.com> October TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday, October 5th, 2002 Noon - 2pm Topic: Scripting Languages under the hood, presented by Raphael Mudge. Rachael is going to talk about implementation and design of a programming language. He will share his experience of coding a programming language in one weekend, and the problems he faced along the way. Raphael is a Computer Science Senior at Michigan Technological University. When he's not hacking on his homebrew scripting language, Sleep, you might catch him running somewhere along the Mississippi river. Raphael has delivered a number of technical presentations on topics ranging from: The rise and fall of NeXT to A practical seminar on perl programming. Raphael can be reached at raffi at hick dot org Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 MAP here: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Parking: The Washington Ave. parking ramp is across the street from the EE/CS building. This is usually your best bet unless there is a sporting event going on. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WashRamp/ Also... There will be an InstallFest on October 12th, 2002. Check the TCLUG website for more information. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 18 08:32:40 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fetchmail+procmail+courier-imap+squirrelmail References: <1037594724.1878.15.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Message-ID: <001401c28f08$b4f83170$c00c460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> > VERBOSE=no > LOGFILE=$HOME/.pmlog > MAILDIR=$HOME/.maildir > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.INBOX.david_AT_mydomain/new > > :0 > $DEFAULT DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.INBOX.david_AT_mydomain/ Notice the lack of "new" at the end. The trailing slash tells procmail that it is a Maildir style directory. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "tclug-list" Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: [TCLUG] fetchmail+procmail+courier-imap+squirrelmail > I'm more than sure that somebody on this list has tried to use > courier-imap + squirrelmail to manage multiple accounts. So I'm hoping > for confirmation that I'm doing this right. > > I got courier-imap up, running, and authenticating with pam. > I got squirrelmail running with mysql, and I used it to create a bunch > of imap folders on my server. > Now I'm trying to collect mail from all my accounts using fetchmail, and > then delivering and sorting through procmail. > > I tried it with one account and a plain .procmailrc. Fetchmail worked > fine, and I told procmail to dump the test email into > ~/.maildir/.INBOX.mailbox_name/new. > > Here's the .fetchmailrc: > > poll myhost.mydomain with proto POP3 user david%mydomain password x > mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" > > > and .procmailrc: > > VERBOSE=no > LOGFILE=$HOME/.pmlog > MAILDIR=$HOME/.maildir > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.INBOX.david_AT_mydomain/new > > :0 > $DEFAULT > > Is that the right way to do things? I looked in > ~/.maildir/.INBOX.mailbox_name/new, and I saw two things: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 726 Nov 17 13:52 > 1037562727.22075_0.orthanc.carboxylman.com,S=726:2,S > -rw------- 1 david users 946 Nov 17 22:30 msg.QWvB:2,S > > The first had been received using squirrelmail's fetch plugin, and the > second came through fetchmail/procmail. > > Is this right? I guess I'm just a bit curious as to why the first > filename is so different than the second. > > Thanks very much for your help. > > david > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From twurdock at wordesign.net Mon Nov 18 08:42:40 2002 From: twurdock at wordesign.net (Tom Wurdock) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Rookie Question - Security Level - Won't allow HTTP In-Reply-To: <200211171924.gAHJOcA09723@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I spent all weekend on what I am sure is a minor problem, but I just installed Red Hat 8 as a server. Even when logged in as root, I cannot change my firewall settings. If I try to go to localhost in mozilla, I get denied. Is is Gnome? Should I not use a GUI? Tom Wurdock tog_benson@yahoo.com From ndavis at iexposure.com Mon Nov 18 11:25:23 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec 1520 dsl modems In-Reply-To: <200211171147.18800.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200210160937.59905.ndavis@iexposure.com> <200211171147.18800.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200211180942.26705.ndavis@iexposure.com> On Sunday 17 November 2002 11:47, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 16 October 2002 09:37 am, Nick Davis wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I was wondering if anyone has heard of these Actiontec 1520 dsl routers > > randomly losing their dsl connections with qwest. Most everytime someone > > calls with their internet connection not working, the solution is to turn > > the actiontec router off and then back on.. and *poof* it works again. > > Customers with all other (intel/cisco) dsl routers are not haveing any > > problems. > > I was wondering if any other dsl providers have noticed this issue or > > have gotten and decent answers from Qwest. > > Have you flashed the router? No I have not had them flash their routers. When I checked the qwest website before, Qwest didn't have the upgrade software available yet. I see that it is now available though. I'll have to keep that in mind when someone else calls with this problem. Thanks! Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From kremer at ringworld.org Mon Nov 18 14:23:06 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news Message-ID: My dad sent this link to me. Wondering what y'all have to say about it. http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html According to them we're more susceptible to security threats than windows users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they link to companies home pages, and to their own articles, but not actually to any place that confirms their information. - Kremer From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 18 14:34:31 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail In-Reply-To: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> References: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> Message-ID: <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> For mail: If Sylpheed uses mbox format mail boxes you should, in theory, just be able to: cat sylpheed-inbox >> ~/evolution/mail/Local/Inbox/mbox For saftey, I'd first create a new folder in Evolution, close evloution, then cat your old inbox to your new one. Other option would be to set up IMAP on your linux box, have evolution connect to the local imap server, subscribe to the old mailboses and move messages around. Contacts are trickier. Don't know what eveloution supports for inport, or what Sylpheed supports for exports. I personally keep all contact info in my palm pilot and sync my evolution address book with it. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | Wireless: 612.306.6055 http://www.ringworld.org "Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans" -- John Lennon From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 18 15:26:16 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news Message-ID: This was linked in the discussion: http://cooper.stevenson.name/aberdeen.html >>> kremer@ringworld.org 11/18/02 01:36PM >>> My dad sent this link to me. Wondering what y'all have to say about it. http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html According to them we're more susceptible to security threats than windows users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they link to companies home pages, and to their own articles, but not actually to any place that confirms their information. - Kremer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Nov 18 15:26:42 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211181449.51494.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Monday 18 November 2002 13:36, Justin Kremer wrote: > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html > According to them we're more susceptible to security threats than windows > users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? http://www.aberdeen.com/ab_company/about/about.htm From dante at plethora.net Mon Nov 18 15:31:48 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Give me a set of random data, let me draw any continuous sample from it, and I can prove anything you want. This report uses a momentary surge in reports of vulnerabilities in OSS projects to assert a conclusion that is not borne out by a larger data sample (say including 2001 numbers or the portions of 2002 that have yet to come). Expect a significant number of MS security vulnerability reports now that they have "proven" that they are more secure. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Justin Kremer wrote: > My dad sent this link to me. > Wondering what y'all have to say about it. > > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html > > According to them we're more susceptible to security threats than windows > users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? > Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they link to companies > home pages, and to their own articles, but not actually to any place that > confirms their information. > - Kremer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 18 16:29:21 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021118211713.GN1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:36:52PM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > My dad sent this link to me. > Wondering what y'all have to say about it. > > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html > > According to them we're more susceptible to security threats than windows > users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? > Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they link to companies > home pages, and to their own articles, but not actually to any place that > confirms their information. It looks pretty much like what another one of their clueless writers wrote here: http://use.perl.org/~merlyn/journal/8445 They decided to pull the article shortly after it was published, gee, wonder why? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 18 16:32:49 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail In-Reply-To: Your message of "18 Nov 2002 13:50:59 CST." <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> References: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> Message-ID: <20021118212542.E2812181EC@wookimus.net> "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > For mail: If Sylpheed uses mbox format mail boxes... Wrong. Sylpheed is a GUI for MH style mailboxes. Look under File->Export... to export to an mbox format. If you would like to use commandline tools to create mbox style folders, install the nmh toolkit. Use the 'packf' command and specify the outgoing file: packf +inbox -file ~/ A side note, MH style mailboxes can be accessed via IMAP if you use the UW IMAPD server. The namespace you're looking for is #mhinbox, and stuff like #mh/Mailbox/mysubfolder. Netscape does a good job, as does Mutt, to seeing these namespaces automatically. Have fun! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Nov 18 16:34:43 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting to an external USB hard drive Message-ID: <200211181523.44179.peter-clark@bethel.edu> My father-in-law is in town and wants to install Mandrake 9.0 to his external USB hard drive; the only problem is that his laptop BIOS doesn't support booting to external devices. Would 'mkbootdisk' be able to do the job? If so, how? Any other suggestions? :Peter From jack at jacku.com Mon Nov 18 16:37:48 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news Message-ID: <20021118134127.1253.h003.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> There was a counter to this posted to the NewsVac section of newsforge.com. Something about total vulnerabilities vs. CERT notifciations. Jack On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Justin Kremer wrote: > > My dad sent this link to me. > Wondering what y'all have to say about it. > > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html > > According to them we're more susceptible to security > threats than windows > users...why do I find myself doubting their credibility? > Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they > link to companies > home pages, and to their own articles, but not actually > to any place that > confirms their information. > - Kremer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Nov 18 17:20:01 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting to an external USB hard drive In-Reply-To: <200211181523.44179.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200211181523.44179.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <15833.28282.707545.60931@tsathoggua.mydomain> Peter Clark writes: > My father-in-law is in town and wants to install Mandrake 9.0 to his external > USB hard drive; the only problem is that his laptop BIOS doesn't support > booting to external devices. Would 'mkbootdisk' be able to do the job? If so, > how? Any other suggestions? Well, you can use mkbootdisk to make a floppy that will kick-off the boot process, and then do the rest of the job from the USB drive, but I think other than that you're out of luck. Actually, I think you could install one of the Linux bootloaders on the laptop's hard drive, and have that either load windows or load linux from the USB device. r From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Nov 18 20:20:59 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail In-Reply-To: <20021118212542.E2812181EC@wookimus.net> References: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> <20021118212542.E2812181EC@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1037668243.13056.3.camel@fjorn> I kind of took the cheap, painful way out. But I may visit this anyways. I couldn't get Evolution to import, so I forwarded most things I wanted to keep, and deleted the rest. I do like Evolution, however there's some funky things that I don't like, the biggest of which is that as far as I can tell I can't find an option to turn off having the replied to message in the email. Of course, if I get sick of having to delete countless parts of e-mail (digest forms), I may just wind up going back to Sylpheed. Shawn On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 15:25, Chad Walstrom wrote: > "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > For mail: If Sylpheed uses mbox format mail boxes... > > Wrong. Sylpheed is a GUI for MH style mailboxes. Look under > File->Export... to export to an mbox format. If you would like to use > commandline tools to create mbox style folders, install the nmh toolkit. > Use the 'packf' command and specify the outgoing file: > > packf +inbox -file ~/ > > A side note, MH style mailboxes can be accessed via IMAP if you use the > UW IMAPD server. The namespace you're looking for is #mhinbox, and > stuff like #mh/Mailbox/mysubfolder. Netscape does a good job, as does > Mutt, to seeing these namespaces automatically. > > Have fun! From seg at haxxed.com Mon Nov 18 20:21:43 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting to an external USB hard drive In-Reply-To: <15833.28282.707545.60931@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: > Well, you can use mkbootdisk to make a floppy that will kick-off the > boot process, and then do the rest of the job from the USB drive, but > I think other than that you're out of luck. > > Actually, I think you could install one of the Linux bootloaders on > the laptop's hard drive, and have that either load windows or load > linux from the USB device. The problem is bootloaders use the BIOS to retrive the kernel. So the bootloader still isn't going to be able to boot the USB drive. The solution is to boot the kernel off floppy or the primary HD (you CAN boot the kernel off a FAT filesystem...) and use the USB drive for the root partition. From seg at haxxed.com Mon Nov 18 20:26:35 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? Message-ID: I've been on cable/DSL for quite some time now so I'm completely out of it as far as dialup goes, but I'm needing some dialup access for on the road within the minneapolis area preferably with unlimited hours. I already have email, web space etc so all I need is PPP and nothing more. So whats the best deal around? Juno is advertising $10/mo but I'm guessing thats not linux friendly. Is $14/mo the going price otherwise? From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Nov 18 21:12:53 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (karl bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Info about gcc In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:03:42AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021118195141.A2354@duron.turboland.com> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:03:42AM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > I want to compile a C code into assembly code. I want to see the assembly > output for every line in C. I have done that in Borland C but I dodnt know > how I can do that using gcc. I tried using "gcc -S" but this gives only > the assembly output and not the C code associated with that. Can anyone > give me any information or point me to any links where I can get more > information? > Thanks for the help in advance. > Thanks > Sreekumar gcc -Wall -g -Wa,-alh=test5.lst test5.c -g needed for debug info -Wa, Pass options to assembler -alh listing, include higher level language.. as --help That was a quick reply, eh? I just discovered this myself messing around with an AVR TINY12 microprocessor. It has 8 pins, 32 bytes of ram(registers) and 1K bytes of flash program space. Someone ported GCC tools to use with these small 8-bit processors. Karl. From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 18 21:13:14 2002 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (E L) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021118210144.3821582e.crc1021@myrealbox.com> usfamily.net is $9.00/month if you pay for 6 months at a time. I've used it with linux for 2 two years and have had no problems, it is plain PAP authentication. Eric On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:21 -0600 (CST) Callum Lerwick wrote: > I've been on cable/DSL for quite some time now so I'm completely out of it > as far as dialup goes, but I'm needing some dialup access for on the road > within the minneapolis area preferably with unlimited hours. I already > have email, web space etc so all I need is PPP and nothing more. So whats > the best deal around? Juno is advertising $10/mo but I'm guessing thats > not linux friendly. Is $14/mo the going price otherwise? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Mon Nov 18 21:54:41 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? References: <20021118210144.3821582e.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <002501c28f79$ed4b1210$1002f518@organozakgn1ek> I would have to recommend usfamily as well, I've been with them for almost 5 years now, great service, cheap too. I've switched to cable now, however I still retain the usfamily email adress. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E L" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? > usfamily.net is $9.00/month if you pay for 6 months at a time. > I've used it with linux for 2 two years and have had no problems, it is plain PAP authentication. > > Eric > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:21 -0600 (CST) > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > I've been on cable/DSL for quite some time now so I'm completely out of it > > as far as dialup goes, but I'm needing some dialup access for on the road > > within the minneapolis area preferably with unlimited hours. I already > > have email, web space etc so all I need is PPP and nothing more. So whats > > the best deal around? Juno is advertising $10/mo but I'm guessing thats > > not linux friendly. Is $14/mo the going price otherwise? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Nov 18 21:58:21 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux FUD in the news In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:36:52PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021118212725.A14138@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:36:52PM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > My dad sent this link to me. > Wondering what y'all have to say about it. > > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html There was a story about the Aberdeen report on NewsForge a couple days ago: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/11/14/1913227.shtml Someone pointed out the following: http://www.google.com/search?q=aberdeen+site:microsoft.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0 It looks like Aberdeen spends a lot of its time "analyzing" Microsoft products. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Nov 18 22:00:19 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail In-Reply-To: <1037668243.13056.3.camel@fjorn> References: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> <20021118212542.E2812181EC@wookimus.net> <1037668243.13056.3.camel@fjorn> Message-ID: <1037678891.18129.293.camel@localhost.localdomain> On the version of Evolution I have (1.2) - Tools/Settings/Composer Preferences and set "Reply Style" to "Do not quote original message." Brady > I do like Evolution, however there's some funky things that I don't > like, the biggest of which is that as far as I can tell I can't find an > option to turn off having the replied to message in the email. > > Of course, if I get sick of having to delete countless parts of e-mail > (digest forms), I may just wind up going back to Sylpheed. > > Shawn From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 18 23:44:43 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211182251.56615.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 18 November 2002 07:21 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I've been on cable/DSL for quite some time now so I'm completely out of it > as far as dialup goes, but I'm needing some dialup access for on the road > within the minneapolis area preferably with unlimited hours. I already > have email, web space etc so all I need is PPP and nothing more. So whats > the best deal around? Juno is advertising $10/mo but I'm guessing thats > not linux friendly. Is $14/mo the going price otherwise? Dump your current cell phone and go sprint PCS? Get Internet and cell service for $40/month. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From loren at lorenburlingame.com Tue Nov 19 02:01:09 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (loren@lorenburlingame.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap dialup service? In-Reply-To: <20021118210144.3821582e.crc1021@myrealbox.com> References: <20021118210144.3821582e.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <33200.64.24.128.181.1037689118.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Well, it does not get any cheaper than free. I have been using the free netzero/juno dialup service for about 6 months now with hardly any problems and supprisingly few drop-offs. course, you have to install the evil software/spyware on a windows box just long enough to sniff the username/password then just plug that into a PAP script and viola. I used ethereal on windows, worked out slick. only problem I have had is that they block port 25 so I have been using an stunnel client/server type arrangement with an offsite mail server. LB > usfamily.net is $9.00/month if you pay for 6 months at a time. > I've used it with linux for 2 two years and have had no problems, it is > plain PAP authentication. > > Eric > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:21 -0600 (CST) > Callum Lerwick wrote: > >> I've been on cable/DSL for quite some time now so I'm completely out >> of it as far as dialup goes, but I'm needing some dialup access for on >> the road within the minneapolis area preferably with unlimited hours. >> I already have email, web space etc so all I need is PPP and nothing >> more. So whats the best deal around? Juno is advertising $10/mo but >> I'm guessing thats not linux friendly. Is $14/mo the going price >> otherwise? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Nov 19 05:01:45 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Importing mail In-Reply-To: <1037678891.18129.293.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1037271095.21242.2.camel@fjorn> <1037649064.12857.34.camel@flycycle> <20021118212542.E2812181EC@wookimus.net> <1037668243.13056.3.camel@fjorn> <1037678891.18129.293.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1037701967.13649.0.camel@fjorn> Thanks Brady, looks like I have to upgrade from 1.0.8. Shawn On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 22:08, Brady Hegberg wrote: > On the version of Evolution I have (1.2) - Tools/Settings/Composer > Preferences and set "Reply Style" to "Do not quote original message." > > Brady > > > I do like Evolution, however there's some funky things that I don't > > like, the biggest of which is that as far as I can tell I can't find an > > option to turn off having the replied to message in the email. > > > > Of course, if I get sick of having to delete countless parts of e-mail > > (digest forms), I may just wind up going back to Sylpheed. > > > > Shawn > From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Nov 19 10:08:30 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Erasing Data from a Disk (Fwd: Shark Tank: But it DID destroy the data) Message-ID: <200211190859.50997.jspinti@dartdist.com> Thought this might be of interest in the thread of deleting data from a disk so that it is not recoverable. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Shark Tank: But it DID destroy the data Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:27:20 -0500 From: Computerworld_DailyShark@Computerworld.com To: jspinti@dart.dartdist.com ___________________________________________________________ COMPUTERWORLD DAILY SHARK November 19, 2002 ___________________________________________________________ ***************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** Integrate, Improve Access, Get Online - All From Your Legacy Systems Your enterprise applications must adapt to new technologies. 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"He thought that if taking the hard drive near the MRI would clean it, then surely taking the entire computer in there would serve the same purpose," says fish. So the tech loads the PC onto a cart and heads for Radiology, where he enlists the help of the MRI tech in rolling the cart into the room. "Bad idea," fish says. "The PC was just sitting on top of the cart, and when they got to within 10 feet of the MRI machine's aperture, the PC started to slide. "It picked up speed, then literally flew off the cart, crashing into the opening where a patient would lie during an exam." There are gouges in the MRI machine. The legs of the cart have been smashed. The PC's case looks like a crumpled fender. And the stunned PC and MRI techs are just glad they weren't in the way when PC and cart took off. "We tried to get the PC out of the magnet without turning off the MRI, because turning it off and back on and recalibrating it would take three days and cost a bundle," fish says. 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Copyright 2002 Computerworld Inc. ------------------------------------------------------- From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Nov 19 19:50:44 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting to an external USB hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211191846.19104.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 18 November 2002 07:11 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > The problem is bootloaders use the BIOS to retrive the kernel. So the > bootloader still isn't going to be able to boot the USB drive. The > solution is to boot the kernel off floppy or the primary HD (you CAN boot > the kernel off a FAT filesystem...) and use the USB drive for the root > partition. Ok, any links to a floppy disk image capable of accessing the USB drive? I installed the bootloader on /dev/sda6 (the USB drive) and made a boot disk, but the boot disk panics. I also tried copying the boot sector of sda6 (using Knoppix and 'dd=if=/dev/sda6 of=/mnt/floppy/bootsect.lin bs=512 count=1') and then copying that to the Windows c: drive, but when I pointed the Windows bootloader to that file, it just froze with the word "GRUB". My conclusion is that the USB drive doesn't appear to the computer, so it just freezes solid. So the only solution I can think of is to get a floppy image that has usb-storage modules, so that I can tell it that / is on /dev/sda6. But where can I find such an image, and how would I go about pointing it to the root partition? Thanks, :Peter From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 19 20:00:06 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] home networking, A/V contractor Message-ID: <20021120005635.GB21060@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, It looks like I may have the opportunity to install all the network cables I want in a brand-new house. Needless to say the thought of Cat-5 in every room is quite enticing. Besides basic networking, I'd like to run some speaker wire, RG-6, and other goodies to allow for multi-room control of the audio system eventually. Does anyone know of a local contractor with reasonable prices and good experience in this area? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Nov 20 01:48:02 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability Message-ID: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Last night our house was struck by lightening and now our DSL router is no longer working. I am wondering if anyone has a cisco 678 DSL router for sale. If you do could you contact me offlist? -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 20 02:50:23 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability In-Reply-To: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <200211200203.22984.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 25 September 2002 02:32 pm, Bret Baptist wrote: > Last night our house was struck by lightening and now our DSL router is no > longer working. I am wondering if anyone has a cisco 678 DSL router for > sale. If you do could you contact me offlist? ebay is going to be your best bet. right now they are a hot item since the actiontech routers (without the latest firmware) are junk. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Nov 20 09:19:13 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about booting from a SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <20021117135131.4ab4a9a6.kremer@ringworld.org> References: <15826.54520.102672.900395@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15829.24911.406655.575802@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1037413647.2974.5392.camel@3po.thodt.net> <15831.50449.649296.78444@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021117135131.4ab4a9a6.kremer@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <15835.41046.446553.931562@tsathoggua.mydomain> Justin Kremer writes: > I can think of a couple things. One possibility is that there wre two > versions of your card made...one with the SCSI BIOS and one without. You > might have the version without, or the card may have a firmware version > that doesn't have a SCSI BIOS. You may want to check their website and > see if there are firmware updates. > It's also possible that there are jumpers on the card to enable or disable > the SCSI BIOS. > These are all things that I've seen in my dealings with SCSI adapters, > though i've never dealt with AdvanSys, as far as i can recall. > - Kremer If it helps, this is one of those Iwill 2930C boards they sell at General Nanosystems. So one of you all might be another Proud Owner. thanks, R > > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:34:25 -0600 > rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > BUT I never seem to get the opportunity to meddle with the SCSI BIOS > > (and I can press ^A until I'm blue in the face, and nothing happens, > > except for the Tyan BIOS complaining that there's a stuck key). > > > > Any suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Nov 20 09:56:43 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability In-Reply-To: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20021120151901.GK16813@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 02:32:38PM -0500, Bret Baptist wrote: > Last night our house was struck by lightening and now our DSL router is no > longer working. I am wondering if anyone has a cisco 678 DSL router for > sale. If you do could you contact me offlist? > I'd suggest trotting down to wal-mart and buying a $25 power strip that has phone line protection, preferably APC, before doing anything else. > > -- > Bret Baptist > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > bbaptist@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 x17 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > ------------------------------------------ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Nov 20 12:42:02 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability In-Reply-To: <20021120151901.GK16813@techmonkeys.org> References: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20021120151901.GK16813@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200211201207.40462.bbaptist@iexposure.com> It was protected, it came through the LAN connection, killed the LAN side, not the phone side. 3 other network cards on the same LAN segment were fried as well. Besides, this is from 2 freakin months ago. What is up with that?? Bret. On Wednesday 20 November 2002 9:19 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 02:32:38PM -0500, Bret Baptist wrote: > > Last night our house was struck by lightening and now our DSL router is > > no longer working. I am wondering if anyone has a cisco 678 DSL router > > for sale. If you do could you contact me offlist? > > I'd suggest trotting down to wal-mart and buying a $25 power strip that > has phone line protection, preferably APC, before doing anything else. > > > -- > > Bret Baptist > > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > > bbaptist@iexposure.com > > Internet Exposure, Inc. > > http://www.iexposure.com > > > > (612)676-1946 x17 > > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > > ------------------------------------------ -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Nov 20 12:42:37 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability In-Reply-To: <200211200203.22984.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <200211200203.22984.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200211201210.02042.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Well I found one the week this happened for $100. I think this might have been more relevant if it had been posted to the list *2 MONTHS AGO*! Bret. On Wednesday 20 November 2002 2:03 am, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 25 September 2002 02:32 pm, Bret Baptist wrote: > > Last night our house was struck by lightening and now our DSL router is > > no longer working. I am wondering if anyone has a cisco 678 DSL router > > for sale. If you do could you contact me offlist? > > ebay is going to be your best bet. right now they are a hot item since the > actiontech routers (without the latest firmware) are junk. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Nov 20 13:44:12 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 availability In-Reply-To: <200211201210.02042.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <200209251432.39003.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <200211200203.22984.tanner@real-time.com> <200211201210.02042.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <4110.144.15.8.14.1037818947.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> > Well I found one the week this happened for $100. I think this > might have been more relevant if it had been posted to the list *2 > MONTHS AGO*! > > Bret. I was wondering where you lived, such that your house was struck by lightning last night. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 20 16:13:32 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution Message-ID: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. Now I have to start either sending mail through RoadRunner's mail servers, or authenticate to smtp.umn.edu and send mail through there. I feel that it's less likely that the U will read my mail or turn it over to someone without a fight than RoadRunner would, so I'd like to authenticate. Anyway, I just tried it out, and the system isn't accepting my password. Has anyone gotten this to work? Alternatively, what the hell is the RoadRunner SMTP server for Minneapolis? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Uh oh. Now you've done it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. > > Now I have to start either sending mail through RoadRunner's mail > servers, or authenticate to smtp.umn.edu and send mail through there. I > feel that it's less likely that the U will read my mail or turn it over > to someone without a fight than RoadRunner would, so I'd like to > authenticate. That's probably not an accurate assumption. I know that a few years ago, a friend of mine, who was studying at the U was appalled to receive an email from a sysadmin chiding her for using swear words in her email. And this wasn't email to a public forum, listserv, or anything like that; it was just person-to-person email. It's not clear that sysadmins at the U are going to be more professional than RoadRunner's.... R From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Nov 20 18:16:03 2002 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <7F041AC0-FCDC-11D6-A80D-000393B93C2A@us-admins.com> On Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002, at 15:09 US/Central, Mike Hicks wrote: the the different auth methods (LOGIN, CRAM-MD5, etc) and also many smtp servers that do AUTH require a TLS setup before you're allowed to send AUTH info. HTH > I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. > Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various > ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. > > Now I have to start either sending mail through RoadRunner's mail > servers, or authenticate to smtp.umn.edu and send mail through there. > I > feel that it's less likely that the U will read my mail or turn it over > to someone without a fight than RoadRunner would, so I'd like to > authenticate. > > Anyway, I just tried it out, and the system isn't accepting my > password. Has anyone gotten this to work? Alternatively, what the > hell > is the RoadRunner SMTP server for Minneapolis? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Uh oh. Now you've done it. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 20 18:37:46 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <200211201755.13873.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 20 November 2002 03:09 pm, Mike Hicks wrote: > I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. > Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various > ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. Upgrade to 1.0.8 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From davjohn at mn.rr.com Wed Nov 20 18:43:37 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (david johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <38638.192.168.0.3.1037837335.squirrel@carboxylman.com> Mike, I'm at the u and also using evolution (1.0.8). I tried setting up the smtp auth, and it didn't work for me, no matter what I tried. Anyway, the rr smtp server is smtp-server.mn.rr.com. david > I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. > Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various > ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. > Anyway, I just tried it out, and the system isn't accepting my > password. Has anyone gotten this to work? Alternatively, what the hell > is the RoadRunner SMTP server for Minneapolis? From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Wed Nov 20 20:25:46 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution References: <1037826580.27829.0.camel@3po.thodt.net> <15836.3501.776401.110423@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <000d01c29100$e7dc57c0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> > I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. > Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various > ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. > > Now I have to start either sending mail through RoadRunner's mail > servers, or authenticate to smtp.umn.edu and send mail through there. I > feel that it's less likely that the U will read my mail or turn it over > to someone without a fight than RoadRunner would, so I'd like to > authenticate. In what way are they blocking it? If you are using a different domain name from one of the dynamic dns services do they block your mail? Joseph Key jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Thu Nov 21 11:08:24 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP authentication and Evolution Message-ID: I got it working just fine in Outlook (/me ducks). I assume you're not the type to not RTFM first, but check here < http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/help/smtp/index.html > and go through everything again (mine didn't work at first because I had entered a username wrong somewhere (was something hoff0438@hoff0438... instead of just hoff0438) and had an incorrect checkbox at one point, but rest assured you can do it on RR's network (my ISP at home). --John :::: John Hoffoss :: hoffossj@facm.umn.edu :: (desk) 612 / 626-1087 Systems Support Analyst :: (mobile) 612 / 867-1432 Facilities Management / Information Services :: University of Minnesota :: Hands-free mobile phones - blurring the distinction between schizophrenia and technology. :: >>> jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org 11/20/02 07:54PM >>> > I'm using Evolution 1.0.5 that comes with Debian Woody for my mail. > Recently, the University started blocking junk mail hosts in various > ways. This was fine until a few days ago when the U decided to block > mail coming from `dialup' lines (dial-up, cablemodem, etc), which has > blocked the SMTP gateway I've been using at my place. > > Now I have to start either sending mail through RoadRunner's mail > servers, or authenticate to smtp.umn.edu and send mail through there. I > feel that it's less likely that the U will read my mail or turn it over > to someone without a fight than RoadRunner would, so I'd like to > authenticate. In what way are they blocking it? If you are using a different domain name from one of the dynamic dns services do they block your mail? Joseph Key jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Jimmy V" _______________________________________________ scalug-list mailing list scalug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/scalug-list ------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From devel_support at crlc.net Thu Nov 21 15:33:32 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange posting of messages? Message-ID: <00eb01c172c8$aafc4650$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Is it just me or are messages reposting? For the last several days now, I have noticed that several messages are being posted several weeks or months after the time stamp on the original message. I remember reading the message from Bret Baptist "RE: OT: Cisco 678 availability" before back in September because I had a Client that was struck from the same storm. ** If these are manual reposts, the messages should state that they are a repost. Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 21 16:49:25 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Problem Message-ID: Hi I have a linux machine (RH 7.1) and it has an ethernet card with two ports in it. At present the machine is connected to the LAN using one of the ports (eth0) and it has a static IP associated with it. The other port (eth1) is left free. I now want to connect another machine to this second ethernet port and this second machine must now be able to connect to the LAN i.e., I want my first machine to act like a router to route the packets from the second machine to the LAN and vice versa. I will be grateful if you can tell me how to go about doing this or point to me to some resources where I can find more information about this. Thanks for your help in advance. Sreekumar From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Nov 21 17:01:49 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange posting of messages? In-Reply-To: <00eb01c172c8$aafc4650$0325a8c0@crlc.net> References: <00eb01c172c8$aafc4650$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20021121154716.A22019@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:11:12PM -0600, Carl Lindgren wrote: (Notice the date stamp on your message. Rather funny considering the topic. Please fix your system time.) > Is it just me or are messages reposting? > > For the last several days now, I have noticed that several messages are > being posted several weeks or months after the time stamp on the original > message. I remember reading the message from Bret Baptist "RE: OT: Cisco 678 > availability" before back in September because I had a Client that was > struck from the same storm. My guess is that this is just another case of the TCLUG mail server being clogged up. Periodically, the mail server, due to high load, holds some messages and sends them out weeks or months after they were originally sent. In these cases, the impatient sender of the message, fearing that her message is lost, often resends the message (I've done this a couple of times myself). Then the second message will often get delivered immediately. Meanwhile the first message gets delivered later, and ends up being redundant. (If we ever write a FAQ list for TCLUG, this should be on it.) > ** If these are manual reposts, the messages should state that they are a > repost. In this case, I think that the second message received in the original. In fact, I bet if you searched for Bret's message from September that it would say that _it_ is a repost. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Nov 21 17:02:08 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange posting of messages? In-Reply-To: <00eb01c172c8$aafc4650$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Carl Lindgren wrote: > Is it just me or are messages reposting? It's called "mailman is slow". Unless you're actually seeing duplicates, like you have a message posted in Septemeber that you received now AND in Sept, yeah, that'd be duplicate posting. I think you're just referring to the queued messages that mailman is slowly delivering. 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There's two pdf's in this directory on this: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/linux From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 21 22:23:49 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: OpenOffice 643C released Message-ID: <200211212128.35856.tanner@real-time.com> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [users] 643C released Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:07:20 -0500 From: Joe Konecny To: users@openoffice.org In case you haven't noticed, 643C was just released. Download 643C: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/643c/ Read the Release Notes: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/643c/release_notes_643c.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@openoffice.org ------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Nov 21 23:10:28 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Router Message-ID: <1112.192.168.70.25.1033007449.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Does anyone have experience, or knows about in using a PC and Linux as a high speed router? I currently have a situation where I have about 230 nodes on a switched network using a single class C address. I am going to have to add about 24 more nodes in the next couple months which will use all of my available addresses. I also don't really want a switched network that large. I'm currently thinking about using a small Linux distro, about a 1 gigahertz PC, and gigabit NIC's. I would like to use a small distro that is current (not LRP) and easy to manage. If it can gather stats and stuff that would be cool too. I would also like to be able to expand the router to 4 NIC's in the future. Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks Jim Streit From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Nov 21 23:13:12 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's RedHat's nsupdate? Message-ID: <000601c2650a$cab17120$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> RH 7.3's bind-utils is missing the executable for nsupdate, but the man page is there. Where'd it go? It appears to be in 7.2. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021121/2176e801/attachment.htm From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 21 23:13:29 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet over 1394 revisited Message-ID: <1033009990.26427.14.camel@3po.dhs.org> I had my brother come over to my place with his PowerBook with FireWire support, and plugged it into a 1394 card I got for my system. We both enabled Ethernet-over-1394 by loading the eth1394 module, and played around. We did some testing, and were able to wget files off of my machine at 11-12 MByte/s. Not exactly using the full potential of FireWire, but I guess the module is still experimental. Anyway, I thought it was just a fun thing to play around with until I actually get some 1394 hardware ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Shin: a device for finding / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ furniture in the dark. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021121/127868f8/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 22 00:16:31 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] [FS] (TM) Cheap DWL-650 Wireless CardBus - works with Linux Message-ID: <20021119133831.GA17793@iucha.net> This is a quick one, so I apologize for not using the classifieds [1]. I have bought last week a CardBus wireless card for my laptop (DWL-650) based on many reports on the internet including [2]. I have struggled in vain about a week to get it working with my Toshiba 2805 laptop to no result. What was really interesting is that when connected, the card showed up with lspci, but cardctl ident would answer with MANIFID 0000. I have found an article on the web [3] that said the CardBus controller in the newer Toshiba laptops (ToPIC100) is not completely supported by linux (either kernel proper or pcmcia-cs) but luckyly it can be asked to emulate an Intel PCIC 16 bit PCMCIA controller. Obviously that works only with 16 bit card. Sure enough, pluggin in of a Netgear MA401 produced a nice two tone chime and connected my laptop to the network. /me hopes this to be enough Linux/hardware content to get pass the spam/lameness bayesian filters Now I have to return my 32 bit CardBus card to Amazon.com . However I got it on sale with $30 which is a really good price. If anybody wants it for $30 and is willing to drive to Shoreview/Roseville to pick it up, let me know. Otherwise, I will return it Friday. Cheers, florin 1. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi 2. http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html#Compatibility 3. After browsing hundreds of pages I lost the URL. Doh. -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I live just south of Roseville, by the State Fair. > -- > Carl Patten From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Nov 22 09:53:06 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's RedHat's nsupdate? In-Reply-To: <000601c2650a$cab17120$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > RH 7.3's bind-utils is missing the executable for nsupdate, but the man page > is there. Where'd it go? It appears to be in 7.2. # rpm -ql bind ... /usr/bin/nsupdate ... I happened across that artifact a few weeks ago, myself. I thought it was a bit odd. I just took a shot in the dark and installed the bind package, and there it was. Jima From john4293 at umn.edu Fri Nov 22 21:31:33 2002 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups Message-ID: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> howdy, i'm just curious what method/program everyone is using for backups, specifically for personal boxes. i decided that it's high time to start doing regular scheduled backups of my system and i'm trying to figure out the best way. i'm most concerned about system data since that's what i most frequently manage to ruin. i'm planning to build a gateway system sometime in the near future so i've been toying with using it for network backup. i appreciate any input. have a great weekend! Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use amanda, but I've got a network. For most personal needs, good old tar works just fine. You might want to look at mindi and/or mondo. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 22 23:09:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Router In-Reply-To: <1112.192.168.70.25.1033007449.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1112.192.168.70.25.1033007449.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1038025783.27997.4563.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 21:30, Jim Streit wrote: > I'm currently thinking about using a small Linux distro, about a 1 > gigahertz PC, and gigabit NIC's. I would like to use a small distro > that is current (not LRP) and easy to manage. If it can gather stats > and stuff that would be cool too. I would also like to be able to > expand the router to 4 NIC's in the future. If you want to be able to use as much bandwidth as possible, you'll have to look for boards that have PCI buses that are better than the standard 32-bit, 33 MHz stuff most of us have. Gigabit NICs can choke that up pretty quick. You'll probably have to look at some pretty high-end motherboards to find what best suits your needs. http://www.scyld.com/network/ lists some of the available drivers and cards. I'd personally avoid Intel NICs if possible, as there seem to be some funny issues with how the drivers are written. The driver is GPL, but certain parts of it are apparently covered under patents, and Intel has been unwilling to say which parts those are. Also, I understand that Intel hasn't released specs for the card, so they are really the only ones who can properly debug problems with the driver. That might have changed since I last looked, though, and I'm not sure if other cards have similar situations or what.. If you intend to run gigabit over copper, there's an interesting study at http://www.cs.uni.edu/~gray/gig-over-copper/gig-over-copper.html I think their testing methodology might not suit routers, though, as they just seem to be testing speed between two computers. Anyway, good luck, looks like fun. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: MentalPlex(tm) has / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ determined that this is not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) your final answer. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020731093834.H15728@real-time.com> References: <20020731093834.H15728@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200211230952.50921.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Wednesday 31 July 2002 09:38 am, Bob Tanner wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Going to be a monthly meeting on Saturday? > > Topic? [joke] How to run a timely mailing list? ;> [/joke] You know, in all seriousness, I would be willing to donate an old computer so that the mailing list doesn't have to compete with other tasks, if that will ensure that it doesn't take two to three hours for most normal posts to appear. :Peter From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Nov 23 11:34:44 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monthly meeting Saturday? In-Reply-To: <200211230952.50921.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <20020731093834.H15728@real-time.com> <200211230952.50921.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20021123172223.GM16813@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 09:52:50AM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > You know, in all seriousness, I would be willing to donate an old computer so > that the mailing list doesn't have to compete with other tasks, if that will > ensure that it doesn't take two to three hours for most normal posts to > appear. > :Peter I've got a 486 SX 16 around here somewhere.. =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From nate at refried.org Sat Nov 23 13:32:39 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft and AT&T to partner In-Reply-To: <20020731113550.C10352@real-time.com> References: <20020731113550.C10352@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020731174024.GA8564@refried.org> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:35:50AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Saw this on CNN, have not seen it on the web sites yet: > > Bleah. Microsoft at AT&T to partner to provide data services. > > 1 new monopoly with 1 OLD monopoly = no customer choice Bob, could you please add more details when you post something like this. At least a link to the story would be good[1]. This only has to deal with wireless data services for businesses. Nothing to do with AT&T Broadband, which was the first thing that crossed my mind. [1] http://money.cnn.com/2002/07/31/news/deals/microsoft_att.reut/index.htm Nate From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Nov 23 13:39:13 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups In-Reply-To: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu>; from john4293@umn.edu on Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:47:07AM -0600 References: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> I use dump/restore over NFS. level 0 once a week (full backups) and level 1 the other 6 days (partials). I keep 2 weeks of system backups on line and once a week I put them to tape. All home brew scripts. works for me. I gave a talk on backups several months ago; my presentation notes are here if you're interested: http://thinkunix.net/docs/backup-overview/ Thomas Johnson wrote: > i'm just curious what method/program everyone is using for backups, specifically for personal boxes. -- -scot From llinder at medicomdigital.com Sat Nov 23 14:10:28 2002 From: llinder at medicomdigital.com (Lance Linder) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem load balancing question In-Reply-To: <20020731121707.2438c117.wlayer@attbi.com> Message-ID: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> Hello, Being new to the list and relatively new to Linux please don't flame me to badly ;) That said here is my problem I am trying to solve. In my situation phone lines and dial up connections are relatively cheap but broadband connections of any kind are either non existent or ridiculously expensive. What I am hoping to be able to do is set up a Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. The first question is would this be possible? Does Linux or some utility that runs on Linux have the capability to balance a load across X number of modems and would it be possible that this could increase available bandwidth for the client machines or would it sill only be 56k max for any given machine? Second question would be if this is possible then were might I look for more information on this subject? Can someone recommend a good book to read? And third question, what is the best firewall for Linux? I have SuSE installed now and it installed a firewall but I think it is more geared towards a Desktop installation instead of a server installation. Could someone direct me towards a place I could find more info on firewalls for Linux? Again even a suggestion of a good book would be helpful! Thanks for any info and direction you can give me. Regards, Lance From wilson at visi.com Sat Nov 23 17:24:23 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem load balancing question In-Reply-To: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> References: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <200211231708.23533.wilson@visi.com> On Wednesday 31 July 2002 13:38, Lance Linder wrote: > And third question, what is the best firewall for Linux? I have SuSE > installed now and it installed a firewall but I think it is more geared > towards a Desktop installation instead of a server installation. Hi Lance, I use Coyote Linux for my firewall. It runs off a floppy and I've got it on an old 486-33 that I had lying around. I haven't rebooted it in well over a year. See http://www.coyotelinux.com/ for more info. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Nov 24 10:18:36 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups In-Reply-To: <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> References: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20021124101142.391dba03.sfertch@real-time.com> I looked at it a while ago, and was helpful. One which would be helpful to add, IMO, would be to show an option on how to compress data going through tar. A question I have about tar: Can it span tapes? If so, how and would it be worth the risks? I have an old DDS-1 drive. The old 4GB of compressed data limitation kind of sucks. Scot, can you show an example of your scripts? Would be good to see how you do it for ideas. I have some external machines to backup, so scp will be used instead. On a side note, I've been seeing an ad in the past couple of LJ's for a free personal edition of Storix. Never heard of them, but worth looking into: http://www.storix.com Thanks, Shawn On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:25:27 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > I use dump/restore over NFS. level 0 once a week (full backups) and > level 1 the other 6 days (partials). I keep 2 weeks of system backups > > on line and once a week I put them to tape. All home brew scripts. > works for me. > > I gave a talk on backups several months ago; my presentation notes are > > here if you're interested: http://thinkunix.net/docs/backup-overview/ > > Thomas Johnson wrote: > > i'm just curious what method/program everyone is using for backups, > > specifically for personal boxes. > From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Nov 24 20:18:31 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups In-Reply-To: <20021124101142.391dba03.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:11:42AM -0600 References: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> <20021124101142.391dba03.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021124181548.A22717@okane.localnet> Shawn Fertch wrote: > I looked at it a while ago, and was helpful. One which would be helpful to add, IMO, would be to show an option on how to compress data going through tar. > > A question I have about tar: Can it span tapes? If so, how and would it be worth the risks? I have an old DDS-1 drive. The old 4GB of compressed data limitation kind of sucks. man tar for answers to both of your questions: to compress files via tar: -z, --gzip, --ungzip filter the archive through gzip yes, it can span multiple tapes. I've done this without problems. As always YMMV. -M, --multi-volume create/list/extract multi-volume archive > Scot, can you show an example of your scripts? Would be good to see how you do it for ideas. I have some external machines to backup, so scp will be used instead. my scripts are complicated and require function libraries, etc. basically it goes like this: # full backup of /home; for partial (everything since the last full) use # a '1' instead of '0'; you can have up to 9 dump levels depending on # how complicated you want to get. /sbin/dump -0auf //home-full.dump /home # make a table of contents (TOC) /sbin/restore tvf //home-full.dump > \ //home-full.list # compress backup and TOC nice -15 gzip -f /home-full.dump nice -15 gzip -f /home-full.list man dump to see what the options all mean. as far as remote backups via scp, similar to above but dd is your friend: ssh remotehost -C "/sbin/dump -0auf - /home | \ dd of=//remotehost-home-full.dump this ssh's to remotehost and dumps the /home partition which is piped to the dd command (which runs on the host you want to store the backups on); dd writes the output file (of=). If you setup ssh keys to allow the host doing the backup to ssh to the remotehost without a password you can run this backup from cron without user intervention. > On a side note, I've been seeing an ad in the past couple of LJ's for a free personal edition of Storix. Never heard of them, but worth looking into: > > http://www.storix.com never heard of this product before. Interesting. Amanda and BRU are pretty popular backup software too. -- -scot From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Nov 24 20:41:15 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups In-Reply-To: <20021124181548.A22717@okane.localnet> References: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> <20021124101142.391dba03.sfertch@real-time.com> <20021124181548.A22717@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20021124203236.719b1c86.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:15:48 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > man tar for answers to both of your questions: > > to compress files via tar: > > -z, --gzip, --ungzip > filter the archive through gzip > Yep, saw that as well as the -Z option which I believe was the standard compress. > yes, it can span multiple tapes. I've done this without problems. As > always YMMV. > > -M, --multi-volume > create/list/extract multi-volume archive > Cool, thanks. Shoulda paid more attention when reading for that. Thanks for the look at your scripts. > as far as remote backups via scp, similar to above but dd is your > friend: > > ssh remotehost -C "/sbin/dump -0auf - /home | \ > dd of=//remotehost-home-full.dump > > this ssh's to remotehost and dumps the /home partition which is piped > to the dd command (which runs on the host you want to store the > backups on); dd writes the output file (of=). If you setup ssh keys > to allow the host doing the backup to ssh to the remotehost without a > password you can run this backup from cron without user intervention. > Yep, plan on using cron/ssh/scp. I'll have to look at the manpage for dd again. I don't recall seeing a compression option there. I was thinking of using scp because of my filesystem being larger than the tapes. Thanks, Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 24 23:22:06 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft and AT&T to partner In-Reply-To: <20020731113550.C10352@real-time.com> References: <20020731113550.C10352@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020731165324.GB31585@sistina.com> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:35:50AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >1 new monopoly with 1 OLD monopoly = no customer choice Looks like we'll all be real-time DSL subscribers.... Heh, my cable modem sucks anyway. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Nov 25 07:23:25 2002 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About the network problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <726CDB58-0074-11D7-B3CA-000393B93C2A@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 22:38 US/Central, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > Sometime back I had asked a question regarding IP Masquerading. I found > the documentation in the net regarding this topic at > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ > The help was comprehensive and I got it working in one hour. Just > thought > will send this information to the list. Good for you! If people would search the net and hit the HOWTOs like you did, they would undoubtedly find that linux is one of the easiest OSes to learn. With docs like those found at TLDP it's pretty hard to say "Linux is unsupported" > Thanks > Sreekumar. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Nov 25 09:15:09 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem load balancing question In-Reply-To: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> References: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <200211250817.38471.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 31 July 2002 01:38 pm, Lance Linder wrote: > Hello, > > Being new to the list and relatively new to Linux please don't flame me > to badly ;) That said here is my problem I am trying to solve. > > In my situation phone lines and dial up connections are relatively cheap > but broadband connections of any kind are either non existent or > ridiculously expensive. What I am hoping to be able to do is set up a > Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I > would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some > software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. > > The first question is would this be possible? Does Linux or some > utility that runs on Linux have the capability to balance a load across > X number of modems and would it be possible that this could increase > available bandwidth for the client machines or would it sill only be 56k > max for any given machine? I looked at doing this about 2-3 years ago. At the time I was using multi-link on NT, and wanted to move to Linux. I searched the newsgroups on multi-link and Linux, and found somebody in Australia had written something. I sent him an e-mail and he was very helpful. I never actually did do it. My isp was strictly NT, and couldn't handle multi-link from anything else--that is something you have to check into, your ISP has to be able to sync the lines on their end also. Multi-link allows you to add the bandwidth of the modems together. I had 3 56K modems, with a resulting effective bandwidth of about 147K. Not a direct answer to your question, but HTH. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 25 10:24:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding with iptables Message-ID: I have a registered subnet 1.2.3.0/29 and an internal subnet 192.168.1.0/29 The router has INT_OUTSIDE_IP=1.2.3.2 I want to map .3,.4,.5, and .6 on 1.2.3.0 to 192.168.1.0, respectively. I think I just need to do something like iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $INT_OUTSIDE_IP --dport $PORT \ -j DNAT --to $SERVER_IP:$PORT for each IP and port. When I do this, do I need to assign each IP to a subinterface on $INT_OUTSIDE (eth0:1, etc) or does iptables automagically grab the IP for me? Also, is this the best way to do it or should I be going about it differently? -Brian From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Nov 25 10:26:13 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Printer Question (and encouraging signs) Message-ID: <1038239918.30629.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> I setup a computer for my mom last week...and after a bit of cajoling I installed Redhat 8.0 on it. Her comment after initial nervousness: "It's very nice...like Windows only a little easier." She later bought a Samsung laser printer at Best Buy and the printer actually has a sticker of Tux on the front and says "Linux Compatible". Pretty cool. The printer was relatively easy to get setup though it took much more tinkering than it should have. I could only print as root until I changed some permissions for instance. My problem now is that the printer won't work unless it's turned on when the computer's booted or you pull the USB plug out and stick it back in while the printer is on. Anybody know a good way around this? Brady From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 25 11:09:22 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem load balancing question References: <000001c238c1$86ff7f50$6fbcf3d8@md06> <200211250817.38471.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <014201c294a0$83bb3ec0$c00c460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> The cost of two phone lines and two ISP accounts is usually more than the cost of ISDN, which many, if not most, can get. It is likely to be much more reliable and much less latent than a dial-up connection. I would look into that sort of solution before I looked to hard at a multiple dial-up solution. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modem load balancing question > On Wednesday 31 July 2002 01:38 pm, Lance Linder wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Being new to the list and relatively new to Linux please don't flame me > > to badly ;) That said here is my problem I am trying to solve. > > > > In my situation phone lines and dial up connections are relatively cheap > > but broadband connections of any kind are either non existent or > > ridiculously expensive. What I am hoping to be able to do is set up a > > Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I > > would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some > > software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. > > > > The first question is would this be possible? Does Linux or some > > utility that runs on Linux have the capability to balance a load across > > X number of modems and would it be possible that this could increase > > available bandwidth for the client machines or would it sill only be 56k > > max for any given machine? > > I looked at doing this about 2-3 years ago. At the time I was using > multi-link on NT, and wanted to move to Linux. I searched the newsgroups > on multi-link and Linux, and found somebody in Australia had written > something. I sent him an e-mail and he was very helpful. I never > actually did do it. My isp was strictly NT, and couldn't handle > multi-link from anything else--that is something you have to check into, > your ISP has to be able to sync the lines on their end also. > > Multi-link allows you to add the bandwidth of the modems together. I had 3 > 56K modems, with a resulting effective bandwidth of about 147K. > > Not a direct answer to your question, but HTH. > -- > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 396 > fax 952-368-3255 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 25 11:47:15 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding with iptables Message-ID: Brian, You slipped into pseudo code too fast for me. :-) Your router runs Linux and it's external IP addresses is 1.2.3.2? If the above assumption is true, you will probably have to bind alias interfaces youself and then use them in the iptables rules. If things like this happened automagically depending on what I put into my iptables rules, I think I would lose my mind (_toy_story_2_, mr. potato head: "on a yo-yo?"). I do not know if this is the best way to do it, but I don't know of another way off the top of my head. I am assuming you can't get your router in front of the registered subnet and just use the registered addresses on the hosts and in the iptables rules. That may be simpler, but may also be impossible or impractical in your situation. Good luck, Troy >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 11/25/02 09:50AM >>> I have a registered subnet 1.2.3.0/29 and an internal subnet 192.168.1.0/29 The router has INT_OUTSIDE_IP=1.2.3.2 I want to map .3,.4,.5, and .6 on 1.2.3.0 to 192.168.1.0, respectively. I think I just need to do something like iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $INT_OUTSIDE_IP --dport $PORT \ -j DNAT --to $SERVER_IP:$PORT for each IP and port. When I do this, do I need to assign each IP to a subinterface on $INT_OUTSIDE (eth0:1, etc) or does iptables automagically grab the IP for me? Also, is this the best way to do it or should I be going about it differently? -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 25 11:56:38 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding with iptables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Brian wrote: > I have a registered subnet 1.2.3.0/29 and an internal subnet > 192.168.1.0/29 The router has INT_OUTSIDE_IP=1.2.3.2 > > I want to map .3,.4,.5, and .6 on 1.2.3.0 to 192.168.1.0, > respectively. > > I think I just need to do something like > > iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $INT_OUTSIDE_IP --dport $PORT > \ -j DNAT --to $SERVER_IP:$PORT > > for each IP and port. When I do this, do I need to assign each IP to > a subinterface on $INT_OUTSIDE (eth0:1, etc) or does iptables > automagically grab the IP for me? Also, is this the best way to do it > or should I be going about it differently? That's the simplest way of doing it. You don't have to bind the IP to the Linux box if it's a subnet that's being routed through it already, but if it isn't, you'll either have to set up arp for those addresses, or bind them to the machine. Note that if you don't bind them, and don't forward ICMP to an internal host, pings to those addresses won't work. Seems obvious, but took me a bit to figure out my first time. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Nov 25 12:09:14 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Printer Question (and encouraging signs) In-Reply-To: <1038239918.30629.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1038239918.30629.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021125164552.GA20005@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:58:39AM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: [snip] > She later bought a Samsung laser printer at Best Buy and the printer > actually has a sticker of Tux on the front and says "Linux Compatible". > Pretty cool. The printer was relatively easy to get setup though it > took much more tinkering than it should have. I could only print as > root until I changed some permissions for instance. > > My problem now is that the printer won't work unless it's turned on when > the computer's booted or you pull the USB plug out and stick it back in > while the printer is on. Anybody know a good way around this? > FWIW, I have my cheapo Samsung connected to the parallel port; I can power it off/on no problem. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Nov 25 14:13:21 2002 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaking of Cable modems Message-ID: The recent discussion of AT&T and Microsoft reminded me that: I've managed to get a Cisco ubr924 running on AT&T broadband locally, and under my own control (rather than the usual corporate controlled configuration). If anybody is interested, drop me a line off list and I'll provide details. It's not terribly difficult (if you've got inside help). I'm running the full package (NAT, DHCP, Firewall, IPSec) on the router, although it's not all configured yet. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company From admin at lctn.org Mon Nov 25 14:47:09 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving data to new server Message-ID: <4104.204.220.62.130.1038254947.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have a RedHat 7.1 box being used mostly for a mail server that is acting erratic. It seems to be hardware related, so I need to backup and restore all user info and home directories to a new server, which will be running RedHat 8.0. I want to be sure to get it right. Is there a tool for this, or a specific process to insure success? Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 25 15:53:08 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving data to new server In-Reply-To: <4104.204.220.62.130.1038254947.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <4104.204.220.62.130.1038254947.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a RedHat 7.1 box being used mostly for a mail server that is acting > erratic. It seems to be hardware related, so I need to backup and restore > all user info and home directories to a new server, which will be running > RedHat 8.0. I want to be sure to get it right. Is there a tool for this, > or a specific process to insure success? What I usually do is mount the 'new machine' harddrive on the old machine, and then use cpio to copy the home directories over, as in: oldmachine:/home# find . print|cpio -pVd /mnt/newmachine/home Then you copy your old /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ovewr to the new machine, and you're done. -Yaron -- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 25 15:54:35 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving data to new server Message-ID: Raymond, Be sure that packages you really depend on are at sane version levels on RH80. I had to nuke the web stuff because I wanted a stable mod_perl (not "almost_done_mod_perl" 2.0, or 1.99 as they call it). Apache 2.0 is nice, but I am getting to like HTML::Mason, and as of right now it needs a stable mod_perl. Using Perl 5.8 was less of a "big deal", but that wasn't a huge surprise. Good luck, Troy >>> admin@lctn.org 11/25/02 02:09PM >>> I have a RedHat 7.1 box being used mostly for a mail server that is acting erratic. It seems to be hardware related, so I need to backup and restore all user info and home directories to a new server, which will be running RedHat 8.0. I want to be sure to get it right. Is there a tool for this, or a specific process to insure success? Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 25 19:08:43 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving data to new server In-Reply-To: <4104.204.220.62.130.1038254947.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <4104.204.220.62.130.1038254947.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200211251602.27379.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 25 November 2002 02:09 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a RedHat 7.1 box being used mostly for a mail server that is acting > erratic. It seems to be hardware related, so I need to backup and restore > all user info and home directories to a new server, which will be running > RedHat 8.0. I want to be sure to get it right. Is there a tool for this, > or a specific process to insure success? > > > Thanks in advance Mondo could work for you: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mondorescue/?topic_id=137 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From john4293 at umn.edu Mon Nov 25 19:44:10 2002 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system backups In-Reply-To: <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> References: <20021122084707.5f31081e.john4293@umn.edu> <20021123132527.A1584@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20021125073450.6dc662d6.john4293@umn.edu> Did something happen to that domain? I time out whenever I try to follow the link. On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:25:27 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > I gave a talk on backups several months ago; my presentation notes are > here if you're interested: http://thinkunix.net/docs/backup-overview/ Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'll be you were looking for a good way to know you got it all, eh? I usually just compare numbers of files and do lots of du's to make sure it's all there. Good luck. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Yaron wrote: [SNIP] > and then use cpio to copy the home directories over, as in: > oldmachine:/home# find . print|cpio -pVd /mnt/newmachine/home > [SNIP] From admin at lctn.org Tue Nov 26 09:44:37 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives Message-ID: <1351.204.220.56.195.1038323706.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have a tech asking for my help on a new install. He indicated he was trying to do a RedHat install on a scsi drive, but couldn't get it done. Before I offer my help I was wondering if there is an issue with this, or if he needs to make changes because of using a scsi drive. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From mjschack at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 11:05:36 2002 From: mjschack at hotmail.com (Michael Schack) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives Message-ID: No problems as a general rule, but you would need to offer more specifics (ie, card type, drive size). I have a fleet of Symbios cards that I can't install to with the default boot cd/disk (last time I checked), because I need to recompile the module for the card with a later version. The cards I have are pretty rare though. From: "Raymond Norton" Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: " ;" Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives I have a tech asking for my help on a new install. He indicated he was trying to do a RedHat install on a scsi drive, but couldn't get it done. Before I offer my help I was wondering if there is an issue with this, or if he needs to make changes because of using a scsi drive. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From admin at lctn.org Tue Nov 26 15:47:30 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2518.204.220.59.3.1038343277.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> What would be a good card to use for low hassel? Is there a good link on docs for scsi installs, or do we just poke around on the RedHat site? > No problems as a general rule, but you would need to offer more > specifics (ie, card type, drive size). I have a fleet of Symbios cards > that I can't install to with the default boot cd/disk (last time I > checked), because I need to recompile the module for the card with a > later version. The cards I have are pretty rare though. > > > > > > > From: "Raymond Norton" > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To: " ;" > Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives > > I have a tech asking for my help on a new install. He indicated he was > trying to do a RedHat install on a scsi drive, but couldn't get it > done. Before I offer my help I was wondering if there is an issue with > this, or if he needs to make changes because of using a scsi drive. > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Nov 26 16:34:03 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 Message-ID: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> Hello there helpful linux heads, I've got a Redhat Advanced Server 2.1 boxen and I'm trying to install Oracle Collaboration Suite on it. I need to raise the "max user processes" from 6144 to 65536 to get the stupid installer to finish... I can su - root then do a "ulimit -u 65536" then su - oracle and the oracle user gets the new "max user process" limit. What is the best way to set the system wide default? I understand that it's for that shell process and all child processes so I'd like to execute it from init so all subsequent processes see that processes limit. I've tried making a chkconfig compatable script and putting it in /etc/init.d/ The script runs at boot but has no affect on the user environment. Searching google was uselss. There's way too much noise from kernel developer mailing lists. Searching Redhat's site turned up the same results. -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 26 17:52:57 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > I need to raise the "max user processes" from 6144 to 65536 to get the > stupid installer to finish... modify /etc/security/limits.conf. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jsanborn at earthlink.net Tue Nov 26 18:04:36 2002 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher A. Gahlon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:42 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 Hello there helpful linux heads, I've got a Redhat Advanced Server 2.1 boxen and I'm trying to install Oracle Collaboration Suite on it. I need to raise the "max user processes" from 6144 to 65536 to get the stupid installer to finish... I can su - root then do a "ulimit -u 65536" then su - oracle and the oracle user gets the new "max user process" limit. What is the best way to set the system wide default? I understand that it's for that shell process and all child processes so I'd like to execute it from init so all subsequent processes see that processes limit. I've tried making a chkconfig compatable script and putting it in /etc/init.d/ The script runs at boot but has no affect on the user environment. Searching google was uselss. There's way too much noise from kernel developer mailing lists. Searching Redhat's site turned up the same results. -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. i cn rd ths rl gd, gt a jb 4 me?? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Tue Nov 26 18:17:05 2002 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (thompson@math-cs.cns.uni.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> References: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20021126234112.GF1122@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> Check to see if you have pam_limits required for your oracle user. /etc/pam.d/login (or what ever proto your connecting with) The line will probably look something like this... session required pam_limits.so If so may want to change the limits for the oracle user in /etc/security/limits.conf @ On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:41:45PM -0600, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > Hello there helpful linux heads, > > I've got a Redhat Advanced Server 2.1 boxen and I'm trying to install Oracle > Collaboration Suite on it. > > I need to raise the "max user processes" from 6144 to 65536 to get the stupid > installer to finish... > > I can su - root then do a "ulimit -u 65536" then su - oracle and the oracle > user gets the new "max user process" limit. What is the best way to set the > system wide default? > > I understand that it's for that shell process and all child processes so I'd > like to execute it from init so all subsequent processes see that processes > limit. > > I've tried making a chkconfig compatable script and putting it in /etc/init.d/ > The script runs at boot but has no affect on the user environment. > > Searching google was uselss. There's way too much noise from kernel developer > mailing lists. Searching Redhat's site turned up the same results. > > -- > Chris > MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert > f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50614 "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Nov 26 18:30:17 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211261803.32675.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Tuesday 26 November 2002 16:49, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > > I need to raise the "max user processes" from 6144 to 65536 to get the > > stupid installer to finish... > > modify /etc/security/limits.conf. Thank you sir! -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From mjschack at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 18:30:38 2002 From: mjschack at hotmail.com (Michael Schack) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives Message-ID: Adaptec has pretty good support all around. I have a few 2940 family cards around in use. SCSI installs should be as easy as IDE, especially if you don't choose the expert option and check compatibility lists beforehand. Terminology differs slightly but I would check out the Red Hat site for documentation. What would be a good card to use for low hassel? Is there a good link on docs for scsi installs, or do we just poke around on the RedHat site? > No problems as a general rule, but you would need to offer more > specifics (ie, card type, drive size). I have a fleet of Symbios cards > that I can't install to with the default boot cd/disk (last time I > checked), because I need to recompile the module for the card with a > later version. The cards I have are pretty rare though. > > > > > > > From: "Raymond Norton" > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To: " ;" > Subject: [TCLUG] scsi drives > > I have a tech asking for my help on a new install. He indicated he was > trying to do a RedHat install on a scsi drive, but couldn't get it > done. Before I offer my help I was wondering if there is an issue with > this, or if he needs to make changes because of using a scsi drive. > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Nov 26 18:30:54 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211261818.11883.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Tuesday 26 November 2002 17:17, John Sanborn wrote: > i cn rd ths rl gd, gt a jb 4 me?? lzy pgmr dnt trm hs pst. bd pgmr, no jb fr u -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 27 04:00:07 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raising "max user processes" system wide on RH AS 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> References: <200211261541.45232.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <200211270218.06281.tanner@real-time.com> MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hah! New X-message-flag for me! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From admin at lctn.org Wed Nov 27 10:01:46 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing Message-ID: <1119.204.220.58.133.1038410711.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I manage a large network of school districts. There is an ongoing problem of some of their mail servers sending out virus type traffic. Is there a solution I can put at our gateway that would stop virus type mail from being sent to the world? In theory it would be nice to add an access-list to our boarder router that would send all outgoing mail to a server to be scanned before leaving our network. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Nov 27 10:39:15 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing In-Reply-To: <1119.204.220.58.133.1038410711.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1119.204.220.58.133.1038410711.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20021127101512.B24697@botwerks.org> you can policy route all outboud smtp traffic to a local mail handling network which scans mail for that sort of thing. we're going through an overhaul on our mail clustering at work to add virus checking to outbound mail to insure that we're not a source of virii going out to customers. more information regarding policy routing can be found here. [1] outbound analysis of mail for virii on your outbound mailserver is an exercise for you to handle. ;-) when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Nov 27, 2002), Raymond Norton was madly tapping out: > I manage a large network of school districts. There is an ongoing > problem of some of their mail servers sending out virus type > traffic. Is there a solution I can put at our gateway that would > stop virus type mail from being sent to the world? In theory it > would be nice to add an access-list to our boarder router that would > send all outgoing mail to a server to be scanned before leaving our > network. > references ---------- [1] - http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/techno/protocol/tech/plicy_wp.htm http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a008009481d.shtml -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 27 10:43:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing In-Reply-To: <1119.204.220.58.133.1038410711.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1119.204.220.58.133.1038410711.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200211271021.03228.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 27 November 2002 09:25 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I manage a large network of school districts. There is an ongoing > problem of some of their mail servers sending out virus type traffic. Is > there a solution I can put at our gateway that would stop virus type mail > from being sent to the world? In theory it would be nice to add an > access-list to our boarder router that would send all outgoing mail to a > server to be scanned before leaving our network. What MTA is running on the mail server? If it's sendmail, you can take a look at mimedefang. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From admin at lctn.org Wed Nov 27 12:04:02 2002 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing In-Reply-To: <200211271021.03228.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200211271021.03228.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1077.204.220.62.13.1038417921.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> They all have different mail servers, 20 servers, on 20 different networks. All have to go through my gateway to get out to the Internet. > On Wednesday 27 November 2002 09:25 am, Raymond Norton wrote: >> I manage a large network of school districts. There is an ongoing >> problem of some of their mail servers sending out virus type traffic. >> Is there a solution I can put at our gateway that would stop virus >> type mail from being sent to the world? In theory it would be nice to >> add an access-list to our boarder router that would send all outgoing >> mail to a server to be scanned before leaving our network. > > What MTA is running on the mail server? > > If it's sendmail, you can take a look at mimedefang. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 27 15:11:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing In-Reply-To: <1077.204.220.62.13.1038417921.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > They all have different mail servers, 20 servers, on 20 different > networks. All have to go through my gateway to get out to the > Internet. You'd want to set up a router to direct anything outbound on port 25 to your local mail server, which would scan the messages for viruses, and bounce it if it did contain viruses. Getting the traffic to redirect is left as an exercise to you; if it's Linux with iptables or Cisco, should be pretty easy. As far as the mail server goes, I'd personally set up a Sendmail box with Mimedefang. If you just want to scan for the most common viruses, you can use clamd (free anti-virus); otherwise, I'd probably lean towards going Sophos, because you can use Sophie to get daemonized scanning (IE, the system doesn't launch a new instance of a virus scanner for each message; it just connects to a socket on the local machine and tells the already-running scanner 'scan this!'). -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From ming at evil-overlords.com Wed Nov 27 16:42:12 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming@evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication on a website to LDAP Message-ID: <20021127211624.33966.qmail@wm1.netfirms.com> just kinda curious if anyone has done this before. Being a newbie to php scripting(or can it be done with html code?) I am pretty clueless so any pointers, tips, and the like would be much appreciated. TIA Jason From hbdarcy at stthomas.edu Wed Nov 27 17:33:04 2002 From: hbdarcy at stthomas.edu (Hamlet) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Fat32 Partitons at Startup References: <200211251840.gAPIeYA18941@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3DE53DF4.9070706@stthomas.edu> Hi all, I'm trying to mount a Fat32 partition at startup for my Redhat 8.0 box. I've edited my /etc/fstab file to add the line: /dev/hda7 /mnt/windows vfat user,noauto,rw 0 0 and then I type from the command line: mount /mnt/windows to mount the volumn. When I reboot the system the /mnt/windows does not get mounted automatically. Every time I reboot I need to type the mount command again. How do I let the OS know to mount the volumn at startup? I have some more questions about my FAT32 partition, but those will have to wait for later. Thanks in advance, Hamlet D'Arcy From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 27 17:46:49 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication on a website to LDAP In-Reply-To: <20021127211624.33966.qmail@wm1.netfirms.com> Message-ID: On 27 Nov 2002, ming@evil-overlords.com wrote: > just kinda curious if anyone has done this before. Being a newbie to > php scripting(or can it be done with html code?) I am pretty clueless > so any pointers, tips, and the like would be much appreciated. TIA If you're coding in PHP, you can use PEAR modules to authenticate to LDAP, or you can write it yourself. Otherwise, if you just want to authenticate using normal htaccess-type stuff, you can mod_auth_ldap. If you've got Apache 2.0, you've already got an LDAP auth module. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dante at plethora.net Wed Nov 27 18:10:05 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Fat32 Partitons at Startup In-Reply-To: <3DE53DF4.9070706@stthomas.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Hamlet wrote: > Hi all, > I'm trying to mount a Fat32 partition at startup for my Redhat 8.0 box. > I've edited my /etc/fstab file to add the line: > /dev/hda7 /mnt/windows vfat user,noauto,rw 0 0 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Leave this out---------------------------------------------||||||||| > How do I let the OS know to mount the volumn at startup? > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Nov 27 18:10:26 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Fat32 Partitons at Startup In-Reply-To: <3DE53DF4.9070706@stthomas.edu> References: <200211251840.gAPIeYA18941@sprite.real-time.com> <3DE53DF4.9070706@stthomas.edu> Message-ID: <20021127174145.473317a9.sfertch@real-time.com> Take the noauto out of the options. > Hi all, > I'm trying to mount a Fat32 partition at startup for my Redhat 8.0 > box. I've edited my /etc/fstab file to add the line: > /dev/hda7 /mnt/windows vfat user,noauto,rw > 0 0 and then I type from the command line: > mount /mnt/windows > to mount the volumn. > > When I reboot the system the /mnt/windows does not get mounted > automatically. Every time I reboot I need to type the mount command > again. > > How do I let the OS know to mount the volumn at startup? > > I have some more questions about my FAT32 partition, but those will > have to wait for later. > > Thanks in advance, > Hamlet D'Arcy > From mjschack at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 23:56:30 2002 From: mjschack at hotmail.com (Michael Schack) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Fat32 Partitons at Startup Message-ID: Excerpt from the man page: noauto Can only be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not cause the file system to be mounted). You're telling it not to mount it at startup. From: Hamlet Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Fat32 Partitons at Startup Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:49:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from sprite.real-time.com ([208.20.202.12]) by mc9-f9.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:47:50 -0800 Received: from sprite.real-time.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARNXJc14672;Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:33:19 -0600 Received: from mm.stthomas.edu (mm.stthomas.edu [140.209.3.222])by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARLnVc13750for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:49:32 -0600 Received: from ust-gateway4.stthomas.edu (Not Verified[140.209.3.48]) by mm.stthomas.edu with MailMarshal (v5,0,3,85)id ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:49:20 -0600 Received: from stthomas.edu (msp-24-26-187-101.mn.rr.com [24.26.187.101]) by ust-gateway4.stthomas.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id XT1WM2MJ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:48:58 -0600 Message-ID: <3DE53DF4.9070706@stthomas.edu> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200211251840.gAPIeYA18941@sprite.real-time.com> Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org X-BeenThere: tclug-list@mn-linux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:49:40 -0600 Return-Path: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2002 23:47:50.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[658A1680:01C2966F] Hi all, I'm trying to mount a Fat32 partition at startup for my Redhat 8.0 box. I've edited my /etc/fstab file to add the line: /dev/hda7 /mnt/windows vfat user,noauto,rw 0 0 and then I type from the command line: mount /mnt/windows to mount the volumn. When I reboot the system the /mnt/windows does not get mounted automatically. Every time I reboot I need to type the mount command again. How do I let the OS know to mount the volumn at startup? I have some more questions about my FAT32 partition, but those will have to wait for later. Thanks in advance, Hamlet D'Arcy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 28 17:30:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanning smtp outgoing In-Reply-To: <1077.204.220.62.13.1038417921.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <200211271021.03228.tanner@real-time.com> <1077.204.220.62.13.1038417921.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200211281700.46163.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 27 November 2002 11:25 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > They all have different mail servers, 20 servers, on 20 different networks. > All have to go through my gateway to get out to the Internet. My assumption is that you want to do the scanning on 1 central (cluster?) machine. Right? Then Nate gave you a solution. IF you are looking for a solution on each of the servers, then we'll need a list of what MTA and OS runs on each server. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From follower at usfamily.net Thu Nov 28 21:44:37 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Happy Thanksgiving to all. References: <200211271021.03228.tanner@real-time.com> <1077.204.220.62.13.1038417921.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <200211281700.46163.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: I wish to all of you that you will have a truely Happy Thankgiving. I have Opera Browser working on here. Seem to work, now to get it on my LINUX machine. hehehehe -- Fredrick Fleming ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Nov 29 13:13:07 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks! [hostap] Message-ID: <15847.33983.114655.784868@tsathoggua.mydomain> Just yesterday got my Linksys wireless card working under linux using HOSTAP. Thanks to the folks on the TCLUG IRC that pointed me that way (jima, I think?); worked like a charm. Cheers, R From chuckeal at attbi.com Sat Nov 30 19:29:37 2002 From: chuckeal at attbi.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partions Message-ID: <000801c298d7$5643f500$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Can someone please give me some advice partitioning a Red Hat 8.0 install? I have a 60Gig hard drive and want to do a server install. EventuallyI want to add VMWare for several Windows versions. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021130/108b66f1/attachment.html From follower at usfamily.net Sat Nov 30 22:12:20 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera References: <000801c298d7$5643f500$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Message-ID: I think I have Opera working right. -- Fredrick Edward Fleming ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Nov 30 22:38:04 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partions In-Reply-To: <000801c298d7$5643f500$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> References: <000801c298d7$5643f500$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Message-ID: <1038716156.5361.147.camel@localhost.localdomain> I mainly have experience with setting up webservers and the Redhat default server partition setup is pretty good for that but I've had trouble with a couple things: 1. Redhat makes /var very small which isn't so bad except a few apps like to put their data in /var (like mySQL and Apache.) So if you want to leave those in the default places I'd give /var at least a couple gigs. 2. Even if you make /var big enough eventually something will happen that will make one of your log files go crazy and fill up your entire /var partition which will kill any applications (mySQL) that use it to store data. So I'd think seriously about giving /var/log it's own partition off someplace where it can't take any other processes down with it. I'd be interested to know how other people handle this stuff. I suppose a production database should usually run on it's own partition but it seems like overkill when the database is 5MB and not growing. Brady > Can someone please give me some advice partitioning a Red Hat 8.0 > install? > I have a 60Gig hard drive and want to do a server install. > EventuallyI want to add VMWare for several Windows versions. I am > confused as to the amount of space and how many partitions. > Thank you > Chuck Licha > From follower at usfamily.net Sat Nov 30 22:41:12 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera References: <000801c298d7$5643f500$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Message-ID: I think I have Opera working right. -- Fredrick Edward Fleming ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From follower at usfamily.net Sat Nov 30 22:41:29 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:03:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What am I doing wrong. Message-ID: <3DE97054.85F3F975@usfamily.net> follower@usfamily.net SMTP service unavailable[500 Unknown command] What an I doing wrong here. I am using opera. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------