From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Fri Mar 1 00:57:06 2002 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200203010645.g216jKb26884@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On Thursday 28 February 2002 2:37 pm, Jason Lohrenz wrote: > Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I have not seen any discussion as to the data type associated with this server. For video content, or where throughput is a priority, Raid 3 fits the need best. It has a very high read and write speeds, with little effect on throughput in the event of a drive failure. A low ratio of parity drives to data drives increases efficiency (the more data drives the better). However, it is complex to perform Raid 3 as a "software Raid". From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 02:27:12 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What's up with spamcop? In-Reply-To: <3C7F0EE3.7070102@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:17:23PM -0600 References: <20020228224939.X21805@real-time.com> <3C7F0EE3.7070102@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020301021828.F27800@real-time.com> Quoting Scott M. Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > So I bounced over to spamcop's web site and I get the below message. Has Spamcop > > gone pay-only? > I've been using the RSS lately to stop spam, http://relays.visi.com/ . > I wonder if they would accept outside submissions from ISP's for hosts > to check... http://relays.visi.com/faq.html Can I submit my spam to RSL? At the moment, no. We choose not to accept end-user submissions because doing so would require greater oversight than we care to apply to RSL. :-( -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 05:20:24 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? Message-ID: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> Anyone have any experience with exim + mailman? I have triple checked my configuration, but when I send mail to a mailman mailing list, exim receives the mail, but it is never distributed to the list subscribers. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dante at plethora.net Fri Mar 1 08:05:11 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up devfs on a debian box? In-Reply-To: <20020228214931.12a03c2a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Chad C. Walstrom" wrote: > > > [snip] > > 3) If not enabled by default in the kernel, add this line to your append > > in lilo or your kenrel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. > > > > devfs=mount > > So, does devfs hide all of the files that used to exist in /dev, or do you > have to delete them first? > If you mount it on /dev, yes it does. The purpose of devfsd is to manage the "classic" names as aliases for the devfs devices. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 1 08:58:14 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? In-Reply-To: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:57:26AM -0600 References: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020301084956.A1224@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:57:26AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have any experience with exim + mailman? I don't know how much good it'll do you, since I'm using the debianized versions instead of rpms or building from source, but I run that combination without any trouble. The one thing that held me up at first was that I forgot to add a "user = list" to each driver config in exim.conf. Are you adding each list to your alias file(s) manually or using the exim-specific method (documented, IIRC, in the mailman-exim-HOWTO) which lets exim find the lists magically without editing aliases? And, finally, what happens to the messages after exim receives them? Are they bounced, frozen, or just vanishing? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 1 09:14:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Really Off Topic!!! (involves being outside) [OT] Message-ID: I never should have sold mine. :-( Anyone know the asking price of a splatmaster? Do they still sell them? Anything equivalent? >>> markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net 02/28/02 06:36PM >>> >I own an old splatmaster From drew at usfamily.net Fri Mar 1 09:30:11 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Really Off Topic!!! (involves being outside) [OT] References: <00cf01c1c0b9$28117500$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3C7F9DDA.A15833FB@usfamily.net> If you have an old splatmaster I think that you would enjoy playing with us then. I agree that Stock class is a great way to play it involves much more skill than just spray and pray, this is why we decided to hold this event in order to promote pump play. Also for all those who are interested but down own a paintball gun, we will have pumps on hand that you will be able to use for free. Mark Browne wrote: > <$0.02> > I own an old splatmaster - I have found that I like games with that class of > marker more. > I find that games with a "hand cocked / tube of ten balls limit" is more of > a thinking game. > You have to manage your supplies and plan ahead. > Teamwork is much more of an issue during reloads. > But your mileage may vary :-) > > > Mark Browne > > > I also understand that playing with pump guns > and paint sprayers are two different games. I > don't think either game is that much more fun > than the other, but I do know that paint sprayers > have a marked advantage over pump guns. > They also make me buy more paint (and paint > ain't that cheap). > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From drew at usfamily.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:16 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Really Off Topic!!! (involves being outside) [OT] References: Message-ID: <3C7F9ED9.6247341D@usfamily.net> Well you can still find a splatmaster sometimes on ebay or other online classifieds. I can usually find them somewhere for around $40. They no longer make or sell the splatmasters so they have become somewhat of a collectors item. The only equivalent that I can think of that is manufacured and sold right now is the Sheridan PGP. Its the only stock class pistol still made. However there are still some very high quality and expencive stock class / pumps made out there. Some are more expencive and accurate than semi's. I love my pumps all 3 or 4 of them. "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > I never should have sold mine. :-( > > Anyone know the asking price of a > splatmaster? Do they still sell them? > Anything equivalent? > > >>> markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net 02/28/02 06:36PM >>> > >I own an old splatmaster > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Mar 1 09:46:03 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pppd Problems Message-ID: <1014996804.4160.26.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> My internet provider (Bitstream) recently changed some of their dialup info (# and DNS). Now Redhat 7.2 box will no longer successfully dialin. I run the dialup debugger that's built into the rp3 program and everything seems ok. It goes through the dialup and login correctly and I get an IP address (which I seem to be able to ping) but I still have no connection and can't ping any outside addresses. Ideas? Thanks, Brady PS: My Win98 box connected fine after making the same changes. From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Mar 1 09:47:06 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] still having ftp problems In-Reply-To: <20020228232944.GE17798@wookimus.net> References: <53149.198.74.20.78.1014926156.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> <61160.204.220.56.2.1014931442.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020228232944.GE17798@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020301154408.GB16290@sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:29:44PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > >Again, a reminder to TRIM YOUR POSTS. All your ranting about "noise" add noise to the list. Send your nagging reminders directly to the person who's offended you and leave the rest of us out of it. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/e32f6819/attachment.pgp From jmlohren at citilink.com Fri Mar 1 11:14:18 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Management? References: Message-ID: <000b01c1c138$78ffe490$0200a8c0@gomer> Maybe you guys can help me here. I used to have a Mandrake 8.1 box running as a server. It had amongst it things like Samba, Apache, Mysql, and sometimes a Counter-Strike server running on it. It would run until I rebooted it, so I rarely had problems with it. Recently I got a wild idea to try RH 7.2 to see if it would work better/worse than Mandrake. Same setup as above, although for some reason it doesn't seem to do good memory management. If some program uses a bunch of memory for a while, and then stops using it, the OS doesn't seem to go and claim it back as free memory. Eventually all the programs compalin that there's not a lot of memory left until I reboot. I end up having to do this almost every other day. Any ideas? TIA. JasonL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Burns" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better. > Detailed info here: http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html > > The view from 50,000 ft.: > Raid 0 gives you more throughput, costs nothing > Raid 1 gives you more reliability, costs storage space > Raid 5 gives you more throughput and reliability, costs storage space > > Figure out what you need (speed, reliability, or both) and choose accordingly. > > - Jared > > On Thursday 28 February 2002 02:37 pm, you wrote: > > Setting up a client PC. > > Their current Windoze server is going out the door. > > It has 4 20GB SCSI HD's in it. > > Currently it's setup so 3 of them are in a RAID-5 Configuration with the > > 4th as a Hot-Spare (They are all hot swapable). > > I've heard some cons against RAID-5, and that RAID-1 or other RAID options > > are 'faster' and better. IE with above only 1 drive can go bad at a time, > > with a max of 2, but only if the spare has been brought up completely > > before the 2nd fails...etc.. whereas other implementations can have 2 go > > bad at once have you, as long as they aren't each other's mirrors. > > > > Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > > > JasonL > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Mar 1 11:15:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? In-Reply-To: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> References: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020301155007.GC16290@sistina.com> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:57:26AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Anyone have any experience with exim + mailman? > >I have triple checked my configuration, but when I send mail to a mailman >mailing list, exim receives the mail, but it is never distributed to the list >subscribers. > I use exim with mailman. Check to make sure your MAILMAN_UID and MAILMAN_GID are correct. Here's my setup. ######################################## # in globals i have MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/lib/mailman MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper MAILMAN_GID=daemon MAILMAN_UID=daemon trusted_users = daemon ####################################### # In transports (order does not matter) list_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID ## END MAILMAN TRANSPORTS ######################################### # In directors section (Order DOES matter) # I have my list related directors just after my spamassassin director # which is the very first one ## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin ## This is only done if the list exists. ## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file ## MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db ## exists. list_owner_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db suffix = "-owner" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db prefix = "owner-" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" ## ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate ## transport. List existence is checked as above. list_admin_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_admin_transport list_request_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_request_transport list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_transport Hope this helps. When I was setting up mailman it was the MAILMAN_UID and MAILMAN_GID that was getting me. Bob, what error messages are you seeing? -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Send your nagging > reminders directly to the person who's offended you and leave the rest of > us out of it. ... and you sent your message to the list because ... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/ff07013e/attachment.pgp From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 11:16:25 2002 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better Message-ID: <20020301155434.20469.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com> www.whatis.com ( http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid5_gci214332,00.html ) gives a pretty decent description. If you want a mind expanding experience, as EMC about their RAID levels... There are three variables that raid addresses - write performance, read performance, and reliability. Oh, and the group already knows this, but it doesn't hurt repeating - RAID is not a replacement for backups. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 1 11:17:24 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] still having ftp problems In-Reply-To: <20020301154408.GB16290@sistina.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > All your ranting about "noise" add noise to the list. Send your nagging > reminders directly to the person who's offended you and leave the rest of > us out of it. Normally I agree but it seems like lately there's been a lot of noisy posts from many different people. A clean list is a happy list. -Brian From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 1 11:18:18 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pppd Problems In-Reply-To: <1014996804.4160.26.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> References: <1014996804.4160.26.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <20020301100326.204d465d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brady Hegberg wrote: > > My internet provider (Bitstream) recently changed some of their dialup > info (# and DNS). Now Redhat 7.2 box will no longer successfully > dialin. I run the dialup debugger that's built into the rp3 program > and everything seems ok. It goes through the dialup and login > correctly and I get an IP address (which I seem to be able to ping) but > I still have no connection and can't ping any outside addresses. Ideas? I'd look at the output of `ifconfig ppp0' and try pinging the local and remote addresses, then run `route -n' to look at the routing table and ping a few more addresses. Look at the contents of /etc/resolv.conf and see if nameservers were added properly. `traceroute -n 128.101.101.101' and see if it goes anywhere.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I planted some bird seed. A / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bird came up. Now I don't \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) know what to feed it. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/f0278b8f/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 1 11:22:51 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faking a remote terminal Message-ID: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org> I'm trying to set up a terminal on one box to act like it's on another one. Thanks to a post by Callum in December 1999, I've gotten as far as: #!/bin/bash trap "" 2 while /bin/true ; do /usr/bin/clear /bin/echo "Press Ctrl-D to connect to remote" /bin/cat /usr/bin/telnet remote done The bit with /bin/cat and ^D is a kludge to get around telnet[1] timing out since I can't recall the command to tell bash to wait for any old keypress (and can't find it in man). Refreshing my memory on that would be appreciated, but it's not a big thing. The real problem is that this runs the telnet session on the terminal that starts the script and I need it to run on a serial terminal. Callum's post mentioned /usr/bin/open, which looks like just the thing if I wanted it on a VT, but doesn't look like it will work for /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever). And I'd really prefer to avoid having to edit /etc/inittab every time a serial terminal is added, removed, or changed to a different port. So, anyone know how to do that? [1] Yes, I know telnet is evil - I'm usually one of the first to tell other people why. However, telnet gives you a login prompt when it connects, ssh doesn't, and I don't know in advance what user to connect as. There are ways around that (have bash collect the username, then pass it to ssh; possibly a '-l prompt'-type option for ssh), but I need to get it working first before I worry about it working properly. Plus it's running on a box that's never even heard of ssh. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 1 11:30:30 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HUGE Signatures!!! (was Re: Doc Searls Keynote) In-Reply-To: <20020301020239.56A4C60307@friday.localdomain.fake> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228185706.00a1e010@ogzr.org> <20020301020239.56A4C60307@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <20020301172408.GC31386@wookimus.net> AH! I know what you're doing, Jay! You're trying to use your HUGE signature to offset your Noise score! Curses!!! I've got to add more rules to my procmail filters again! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In general the linux kernel's VM subsystem doesn't free?up no longer used pages in the way you might think. Mostly that's left up to the applications in question and subsequently the system libraries. In the case of swap for certain, things that are paged into swap that are no longer used are not paged out (IIRC) but the dirty buffers are marked as "free" so they may be used by something else. Go through the kernel archives looking for stuff about the VM related to the particular kernels you're refering to for further information. Hope this useless post helps. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/29090b8c/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Mar 1 11:31:19 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] still having ftp problems In-Reply-To: <20020301155132.GA515@iucha.net> References: <53149.198.74.20.78.1014926156.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> <61160.204.220.56.2.1014931442.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020228232944.GE17798@wookimus.net> <20020301154408.GB16290@sistina.com> <20020301155132.GA515@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020301172909.GG16290@sistina.com> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:51:32AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: >... and you sent your message to the list because ... I felt it was pertinent. Feel free to add me to your KILLFILE for my indiscretion. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/23944eea/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 1 12:02:03 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HUGE Signatures!!! (was Re: Doc Searls Keynote) In-Reply-To: <20020301172408.GC31386@wookimus.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228185706.00a1e010@ogzr.org> <20020301020239.56A4C60307@friday.localdomain.fake> <20020301172408.GC31386@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020301174804.AB33E905E@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Friday 01 March 2002 11:24 am, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > AH! I know what you're doing, Jay! You're trying to use your HUGE > signature to offset your Noise score! Curses!!! I've got to add more > rules to my procmail filters again! ;-) Sorry- random fortune signature strikes again... Ill turn it off just for you :-) From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 1 14:02:15 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HUGE Signatures!!! (was Re: Doc Searls Keynote) In-Reply-To: <20020301174804.AB33E905E@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > Sorry- random fortune signature strikes again... Ill turn it off just for > you :-) I like the ides of using fortune for a sig but some of those are very lengthy. If I ever do it I think I'll set up a condition fortunes > 4 lines get rejected and it keeps trying til one is <= 4 lines -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 1 14:04:07 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faking a remote terminal In-Reply-To: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org> References: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020301183744.GA691@wookimus.net> OK, Dave. Try this instead: #!/bin/sh # You've listed nothing specific to bash to warrent /bin/bash. trap "" 2 while /bin/true ; do /usr/bin/clear /bin/echo "Press any key to connect to remote" read answer /usr/bin/telnet remote done To place this on serial terminals, look at the manpage for getty. It's pretty straight-forward. You expressed a desire to use ssh instead of telnet? Why not try something like this, then: #! /bin/sh ################################################################################ # # This script is PUBLIC DOMAIN and comes with NO WARRANTY WHATSOEVER! # Use at your OWN RISK. # # It may not even work! ;-) # ################################################################################ # # ssh-wrapper -- prompt for remote user, hostname, and port # # * Important to disregard any other other commandline options # # * YOU SHOULD REALLY CHROOT THIS!!!! Make certain that # there is no way that should the remote user figure out a buffer # overflow of some kind and use it against you. Considering that # inittab and getty are normally run as root, this would be a very # big mistake to simply run un-chrooted. # # -- Either use static binaries or copy over all libraries needed. # -- You'll need a fake /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts, etc... # -- Be restrictive with local filesystem permissions (i.e. -rwx) # # e.g. chroot getty -l /usr/local/bin/chroot-serial-ssh ttyS0 ... # where chroot-serial-ssh contains: # #!/bin/sh # /usr/sbin/chroot /var/chroot/serial-ssh /bin/ssh-wrapper # # NOTE: I'm no chroot god, so this may prove to be vulnerable as well. # Suggestions welcome. # ################################################################################ echo=/bin/echo tr=/usr/bin/tr sed=/bin/sed ssh=/usr/bin/ssh true=/bin/true ISSUE=/etc/ssh/serial-issue.txt SSHCONF=/etc/ssh/serial.conf RUSER= RHOST=remotehost.domain.tld RPORT=22 trap "" 2 while $true do cat $ISSUE $echo -n "Enter a hostname (default is $RHOST): " read RHOST # munge the rhost line into a no-spaces line. '-' is not a legal # first character. RHOST=`$echo $RHOST|$sed -s 's/-//'|$tr -dc '[-._a-zA-Z0-9]'` $echo -n "Enter a port (default is $RPORT): " read RPORT # only use digits RPORT=`$echo $RPORT|$tr -dc '[[:digit:]]'` $echo -n "Enter a remote username: " read RUSER # munge username RUSER=`$echo $RUSER|$tr -dc '[[:alnum:]]'` $ssh -F $SSHCONF -l $RUSER -p $RPORT $RHOST # Give the user time to read any error output $echo "Press any key to continue." read pause done # END SCRIPT -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which > sucks because my no-longer-current one is less than 6 months old... From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 1 14:18:03 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HUGE Signatures!!! (was Re: Doc Searls Keynote) In-Reply-To: References: <20020301174804.AB33E905E@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> Message-ID: <20020301200659.GB515@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 12:21:42PM -0600, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Sorry- random fortune signature strikes again... Ill turn it off just for > > you :-) > > I like the ides of using fortune for a sig but some of those are very > lengthy. If I ever do it I think I'll set up a condition fortunes > 4 > lines get rejected and it keeps trying til one is <= 4 lines Well... If I really want fortunes I run fortune(6). florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/3a2cdd41/attachment.pgp From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Mar 1 15:07:22 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question Message-ID: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> Our company has a rather large AIX box/ESS system which is going to be moved off-site to a hosting company down in Omaha...remote access is normally not a problem when the system is running well. However, if the need ever comes up to reboot the server, it is necessary to have a "local" terminal to see the boot messages. At the present time, this is not a problem - we can just sit down at the console, but obviously when it's moved down to Omaha, this is not an option. Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this remotely? I've heard some random info about using the ASYNC port on the router to plug into the serial port of the AIX box...is this the only way to accomplish what we need to do, or are there some other suggestions. BTW - I joined the mailing list about two weeks ago, and have really enjoyed "listening in". Unfortunately, I will not be able to be at the meeting tomorrow, but I will try and attend in the future. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik V. Anderson erik@andersonfam.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 1 15:22:10 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question In-Reply-To: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> References: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020301212140.78127905E@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> One option is to get a network printserver that has a serial port on it. On many models, you can telnet to the printserver, then use telnet on the serial port- dont know what models support this, but I know some do. Jay On Friday 01 March 2002 02:52 pm, \"Erik V. Anderson\" wrote: > Our company has a rather large AIX box/ESS system which is going to be > moved off-site to a hosting company down in Omaha...remote access is > normally not a problem when the system is running well. However, if the > need ever comes up to reboot the server, it is necessary to have a "local" > terminal to see the boot messages. At the present time, this is not a > problem - we can just sit down at the console, but obviously when it's > moved down to Omaha, this is not an option. > > Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this remotely? I've heard some > random info about using the ASYNC port on the router to plug into the > serial port of the AIX box...is this the only way to accomplish what we > need to do, or are there some other suggestions. > > BTW - I joined the mailing list about two weeks ago, and have really > enjoyed "listening in". Unfortunately, I will not be able to be at the > meeting tomorrow, but I will try and attend in the future. > > Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Erik V. Anderson > erik@andersonfam.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ming at evil-overlords.com Fri Mar 1 15:41:13 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question In-Reply-To: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> References: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1015017817.3c7ff15981d76@mail.evil-overlords.com> I have used a Digi PortServer to do that but it was awhile ago. Set up a modem on the digi then you could switch consoles and be on the AIX system, could also get to the digi via network also. Was a nice little back door. Ming Quoting "\"Erik V. Anderson\"" : > Our company has a rather large AIX box/ESS system which is going to be moved > > off-site to a hosting company down in Omaha...remote access is normally not a > > problem when the system is running well. However, if the need ever comes up > to > reboot the server, it is necessary to have a "local" terminal to see the boot > > messages. At the present time, this is not a problem - we can just sit down > at > the console, but obviously when it's moved down to Omaha, this is not an > option. > > Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this remotely? I've heard some > random > info about using the ASYNC port on the router to plug into the serial port of > > the AIX box...is this the only way to accomplish what we need to do, or are > > there some other suggestions. > > BTW - I joined the mailing list about two weeks ago, and have really > enjoyed "listening in". Unfortunately, I will not be able to be at the > meeting > tomorrow, but I will try and attend in the future. > > Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Erik V. Anderson > erik@andersonfam.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Mar 1 16:13:02 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question References: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <016001c1c16c$e652a850$47646496@dart71> This should work: get to the command prompt, type smit swcons. From there you can redirect the console output to where ever you want. I have a 380 box that I have going to port 2 on a RAN instead of out the serial port. I think you should be able to send it wherever... For the record, this works on AIX 4.3 and 3.2, I haven't played with 5L yet, so don't know about it. Even if that doesn't work, the second line allows you to set the log file path, so even if you can't get the console output, you can check the log. Or, you could cron a script that uuencodes the gzipped log file to wherever you wanted... Granted, its not real time output. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 x 396 952-368-3255 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Erik V. Anderson"" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question > Our company has a rather large AIX box/ESS system which is going to be moved > off-site to a hosting company down in Omaha...remote access is normally not a > problem when the system is running well. However, if the need ever comes up to > reboot the server, it is necessary to have a "local" terminal to see the boot > messages. At the present time, this is not a problem - we can just sit down at > the console, but obviously when it's moved down to Omaha, this is not an option. > > Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this remotely? I've heard some random > info about using the ASYNC port on the router to plug into the serial port of > the AIX box...is this the only way to accomplish what we need to do, or are > there some other suggestions. > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 16:13:48 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faking a remote terminal In-Reply-To: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 10:51:03AM -0600 References: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020301160658.A6413@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I'm trying to set up a terminal on one box to act like it's on > another one. so is this basically trying to let you telnet to a device attached to a serial port on a machine? I know I saw a tool on freshmeat not long ago that was made for just that... there may be a Debian package for it too. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 16:45:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? In-Reply-To: <20020301084956.A1224@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 08:49:56AM -0600 References: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> <20020301084956.A1224@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020301164014.U4289@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > I don't know how much good it'll do you, since I'm using the > debianized versions instead of rpms or building from source, but I > run that combination without any trouble. The one thing that held me > up at first was that I forgot to add a "user = list" to each driver > config in exim.conf. > Are you adding each list to your alias file(s) manually or using the > exim-specific method (documented, IIRC, in the mailman-exim-HOWTO) > which lets exim find the lists magically without editing aliases? Automagic-exim-specific way. > And, finally, what happens to the messages after exim receives them? > Are they bounced, frozen, or just vanishing? The messages get put into the web archive, but never get sent to the subsribers, so they just vanish. # # Home dir for mailman # MAILMAN_HOME=/var/mailman # # Wrapper script for mailman # MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper # # User and group for mailman # MAILMAN_UID=exim MAILMAN_GID=exim # # Three transports for list mail, request mail and admin mail respectively # Mailman is installed in MAILMAN_HOME # Mailman is configured to be invoked as user exim # list_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID # # Directors section [this deals with local addresses] # # First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin This is only # done if the list exists. # List existence checks are done by seeing if the # file MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db exists. # list_owner_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db suffix = "-owner" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db prefix = "owner-" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" # # Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate # transport. List existence is checked as above. # list_admin_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_admin_transport list_request_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_request_transport list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_transport -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 16:46:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? In-Reply-To: <20020301155007.GC16290@sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:07AM -0600 References: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> <20020301155007.GC16290@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020301164431.V4289@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > # in globals i have > MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/lib/mailman > MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper > MAILMAN_GID=daemon > MAILMAN_UID=daemon > trusted_users = daemon I didn't have the trusted_users thingie set to the the mailman user. Once I did that, here is what qrunner gives me: Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): Traceback (innermost last): Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): kids = main(lock) Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): mlist.Save() Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): makelink(privdir, pubdir) Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): os.symlink(old, new) Mar 01 16:41:58 2002 qrunner(16148): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From houle at citilink.com Fri Mar 1 17:01:09 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic- Defcon Info Wanted Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone has been to previous Defcons? If so. can it be compared in a very small way to Comdex if you have been to that. You can email me off list if you have any information. Terry Houle houle at citilink dot com From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 17:01:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim + mailman = no mail? In-Reply-To: <20020301164431.V4289@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:44:31PM -0600 References: <20020301045726.R27800@real-time.com> <20020301155007.GC16290@sistina.com> <20020301164431.V4289@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020301165323.W4289@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > > # in globals i have > > MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/lib/mailman > > MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper > > MAILMAN_GID=daemon > > MAILMAN_UID=daemon > > trusted_users = daemon > > I didn't have the trusted_users thingie set to the the mailman user. > > Once I did that, here is what qrunner gives me: Maybe the question is how do you move mailman from one box running sendmail to another box run exim? What I'm trying to do is test moving the mn-linux.org mailing list using mailman and sendmail to a playbox running mailman and exim. I'm using the playbox to work out any kinks before actually attempting to do the move. What I did is tar'd up the whole mn-linux.org mailman directory and extracted it onto the playbox. I then did a make install of mailman on the playbox (to upgrade to the latest version). $mailman/bin/check_perms -f Anything else I need to do? Another approach? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jimstreit at northlans.com Fri Mar 1 17:17:41 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better. Message-ID: <200203012256.g21Muca21969@linuxserver.northlans.com> Check out this site for RAID level descriptions and the pros/cons of each. http://www.acnc.com/raid.html Jim > That's not really true. a hardware RAID5 should be much faster than a > single disk. The data is not actually replicated X times. There is, > however, parity data. But, because of the fact that both data and parity > are striped across all drives, you should see a noticeable performance > increase (assuming you're using SCSI...if you're using IDE, it's a whole > nother ball game, and I'm not very familiar with the rules other than me > no likie) > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Jason Lohrenz wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > I was under the impression by some that RAID-5 you gain read speed > > performance, but the write performance is slower because it has to get > > replicated X times depending on the # of drives in the array. But I'll > > probably stick with this then. Thanks again! > > > > JasonL > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From joelr at winternet.com Fri Mar 1 17:18:23 2002 From: joelr at winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better. In-Reply-To: <001801c1c0a6$b93336d0$0200a8c0@gomer> References: <001801c1c0a6$b93336d0$0200a8c0@gomer> Message-ID: <200202282249.50658@ellegon.com> On Thursday 28 February 2002 04:24 pm, you wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > I was under the impression by some that RAID-5 you gain read speed > performance, but the write performance is slower because it has to get > replicated X times depending on the # of drives in the array. But I'll > probably stick with this then. Thanks again! > It's apparenty a lot more complicated, in part because of how the replication algorithms work, and when writes are actually committed and to where, which I'm told is a fairly complicated issue. In a RAID-1 setup, the information is replicated N times, (usually two, although you can have lots of mirrored partitions if you're really paranoid, or if you really get the benefit from the increased read performance) but how much of an actual slowdown you get, so I understand, really depends on what you're doing in terms of actual reads and writes. I'm using RAID-5 because of the combination of safety -- I can lose any one drive and not lose any data -- and volume, as I've got 4 20-gig RAID partititions, which add up to one 60-gig drive. Then again, I'm a desktop user, and not running a server. ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From joelr at winternet.com Fri Mar 1 17:18:42 2002 From: joelr at winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which RAID Is better. In-Reply-To: <1014931274.3c7e9f4ab6811@mail.evil-overlords.com> References: <1014931274.3c7e9f4ab6811@mail.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <200203011150.09570@ellegon.com> Yeah, you do have to trade off performance, safety and price, and that depends. With an unlimited budget (hah!), a need to maximize performance and an utter lack of fear of losing data, a SCSI RAID-0 arrangement would make the most sense. But lose the unlimited budget, and the increasingly good performance (and much better prices) of IDE drives starts to complicate matters. The last time I looked, you could put together an 90-or-so gig SCSI RAID-0 package for something like ten grand (using 18 9-gig RAID hard drives, which seemed to have the best price point per megabyte at the time, at about $50 per gig. Plus, of course the cost of the controllers. RAID controllers aren't cheap. You can buy, just to pick a decent brand, a 40-gig IBM DeskStar for less than a hundred each, and do the RAID-0 array for less $200 (okay, you only get 80 gig instead of the ninety -- make it a three-disk array, and you're at 120 gig for less than $300), or double up, run a RAID 0+1 array of four IBM 60-gig drives for $600, plus a much cheaper controller. Will you get better performance out of the SCSI system? Sure. How much better? I dunno. Hell, set up a four-disk IDE RAID-system, and stripe the RAID-0 partition across all four, and you might well beat the SCSI system. From clay at fandre.com Fri Mar 1 17:18:57 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20020301204700.GE1615@fandre.com> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting When: Saturday, March 2nd, 2002 noon-2pm Topic: System Backups Scott Jenkins will talk about why backups are important and how to implement them in Linux. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Check out http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings for more informataion. Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 1 17:33:03 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PROM for SparcStation10 Message-ID: <20020301232024.GC515@iucha.net> I have a SparcStation10 with one CPU module and I'm looking around for the second CPU module :) However for this to work I have to upgrade my PROM from revision 2.10 to revision 2.12 at least. I have the file for revision 2.25 but I don't know where to find the blank PROM (27C040) and where to burn it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. florin PS: Yes, I run Linux on it :) OpenBSD and NetBSD keep whinning about Lost Carrier on the TPE port. -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020301/586fefb0/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 1 18:05:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PROM for SparcStation10 In-Reply-To: <20020301232024.GC515@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > I have a SparcStation10 with one CPU module and I'm looking around for > the second CPU module :) However for this to work I have to upgrade my > PROM from revision 2.10 to revision 2.12 at least. I have the file for > revision 2.25 but I don't know where to find the blank PROM (27C040) > and where to burn it. Don't know where to get the blank or how to burn it, but you could always grab it from Ebay. A search for 'sparc 10 prom' brought up a bunch of them. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 1 18:31:08 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] General UNIX remote access question In-Reply-To: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> References: <1015015926.3c7fe9f67f8df@www.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020301180738.113610d4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "\"Erik V. Anderson\"" wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this remotely? I've heard some random > info about using the ASYNC port on the router to plug into the serial port of > the AIX box...is this the only way to accomplish what we need to do, or are > there some other suggestions. If you have space and no money, you can get a random Linux box to act as a serial console. The benefit is that you can connect to it over SSH, and even set up a modem through which you can dial up. Also included are host-based firewalling with iptables, which can be useful. If you have money and no space, you can get a Cyclades terminal server box. They're pretty spendy, but they run Linux and take up as much space as your average ethernet mini-hub. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ GWB doesn't speak for me / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also for all those who are interested but > down own a > paintball gun, we will have pumps on hand that you will be able to use > for free. Whoohoo! Time to pull thy trusty, old reliable Sheridan rifle out of storage. It was heavily modified to being a near tournament level gun years ago, but has always remained one pump one shot. but I took off the CO2 tank, went back to being 12gram with a 40 round box on top. =) When is being planned for again? Shawn From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Mar 1 19:03:03 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PROM for SparcStation10 In-Reply-To: <20020301232024.GC515@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:20:24PM -0600 References: <20020301232024.GC515@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020301185916.A9157@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:20:24PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > I have a SparcStation10 with one CPU module and I'm looking around for > the second CPU module :) However for this to work I have to upgrade my > PROM from revision 2.10 to revision 2.12 at least. I have the file for > revision 2.25 but I don't know where to find the blank PROM (27C040) and > where to burn it. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > florin > > PS: Yes, I run Linux on it :) OpenBSD and NetBSD keep whinning about > Lost Carrier on the TPE port. > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 There's a fellow named Derrick Leong in Burnsville that has an EPROM burner and a supply of 27C040 chips. He charges $20.00 to supply and burn a chip. He normally burns upgraded firmware for DVD players, but send him in an email explaining what you want and he probably will do it for you. His email is dleong@usfamily.net. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Fri Mar 1 19:03:28 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20020301204700.GE1615@fandre.com> References: <20020301204700.GE1615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020301190340.34c1ad85.fertch@mninter.net> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:47:00 -0600 Clay Fandre wrote: > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting > > When: > Saturday, March 2nd, 2002 noon-2pm > > Topic: > System Backups > > Scott Jenkins will talk about why backups are important > and how to implement them in Linux. D'oh! Another meeting that I can't attend... Will this be posted on the web sometime if a presentation is used? Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Fri Mar 1 22:56:38 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hopefully a simple DNS/BIND question In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC177@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC177@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20020301213552.0f11ea18.fertch@mninter.net> Frustrating... I've got all of my zones working with the exception of the 168.192.in-addr.arpa. I've cross referenced the two 0.0.127 and 168.192 files, and can find no differences between them as to why one should work, and not the other. What I'm getting when starting named is this: Mar 1 20:08:33 wormy /usr/sbin/named[30907]: dns_zone_load: zone 168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: could not find NS and/or SOA records Mar 1 20:08:33 wormy /usr/sbin/named[30907]: dns_zone_load: zone 168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: has 0 SOA records Mar 1 20:18:35 wormy inetd[82}: netbios-ns/udp server failing (looping), service terminated Section from named.conf file referencing the 168.192 zone: zone "168.192.in-addr.arpa" in { type master; file "db.192.168"; }; Top part of db.192.68 $TTL 3h @ IN SOA wormy.mn-ttkd.org. sfertch.real-time.com. ( 1 ;Serial 3h ;Refresh after 3 hours 1h ;Retry after 1 hour 1w ;Expire after 1 week 1h) ;Minimum TTL of 1 day ; ; Name servers ; IN NS wormy.mn-ttkd.org IN NS glyndale.mn-ttkd.org ; ; ; Addresses pointing to canonical names From esper at sherohman.org Sat Mar 2 09:21:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faking a remote terminal In-Reply-To: <20020301160658.A6413@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:06:58PM -0600 References: <20020301105103.A1767@sherohman.org> <20020301160658.A6413@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020302090832.A8468@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:06:58PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > I'm trying to set up a terminal on one box to act like it's on > > another one. > > so is this basically trying to let you telnet to a device attached to a > serial port on a machine? Nope, other way around. It's a Wyse terminal hooked up as a serial device on Box A and I want it to act like it's hooked up to Box B. The obvious way of accomplishing this is to run 'telnet Box B' on the serial device instead of getty, I just need to figure out how to make it run there instead of on the VT that starts the process... (The terminals in question can't be connected to Box B directly because they're on serial hubs and the drivers for those hubs are buggy. Occasionally, a hub will drop off the net and refuse to come back until the controlling host is rebooted. Worse, trying to send data to a port on a crashed hub will sometimes lock up the host. Box B is our main database server, so needing to reboot it is Very Bad and having it lock up is Far Worse.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Mar 2 11:13:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotplug IDE/floppy on laptops? Message-ID: <20020302110405.4b30d3ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I was playing around with my laptop last night and decided to see if I could get some rudimentary hotplug capability to work with my IDE DVD-ROM drive. I found a small program at http://turingmachine.org/hardware/helium/ that seemed to do the trick. It scans the IDE bus at IO address 0x170 (ide1), and I was happy to see that it worked on my system (the system appeared to freeze for a moment, but it correctly detected the drive). I'm curious if anyone knows of a `nicer' way to do this. 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Perhaps you guys missed the link on the Amanda website pointing to an online chapter about it from "Unix Backup and Recovery" (one of the books Scot mentioned). http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html It helped me quite a bit when I first opened up an amanda.conf and the reaction of, "What the--?!" -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You will go on a journey, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ happy long time. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020302/bb4fd03a/attachment.pgp From PCZeilon at att.net Sat Mar 2 17:31:10 2002 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. I also now have 512mg of ram. Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? This seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). In the past I've been using a 4.5gb / & a 3.0gb /home. How does this sound? This is just a home machine with no server duties. Thanks From florin at iucha.net Sat Mar 2 21:27:56 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20020303024304.GA4351@iucha.net> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 07:15:56AM -0600, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with > WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use > the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. Ask your money back :) /boot partition has nothing to do with windows at all... It was employed back when lilo had problems booting kernels that were located beyond cylinder 1024. Now, having a /boot partition is only for "purists" like me that have / /usr /var /var/cache /var/mail /usr /usr/local /home ... and the reason is that you can mount /boot read-only and if something messes up you system, you can still boot and try to recover. > I also now have > 512mg of ram. Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? Not since 2.4.10. > This > seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). In the past I've been > using a 4.5gb / & a 3.0gb /home. How does this sound? This is just a > home machine with no server duties. Thanks Should be ok. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020302/09d355d8/attachment.pgp From stevered at mm.com Sat Mar 2 21:28:59 2002 From: stevered at mm.com (Steve Redding) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? Message-ID: <000001c1c261$4e8bb700$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> I have been teaching myself how to properly use xinetd on a Red Hat 7.2 system. And I like what it can do. But I am also reading up on setting up my first qmail server and the howto and Life with qmail suggest using ucspi-tcp which apparently serves the same function as xinetd. It seems overly complicated to use both on the same system. Which do you folks recommend using or should I use both for the qmail system? Thanks Steve Redding stevered@mm.com From clay at fandre.com Sat Mar 2 22:09:04 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unsubscribe problems In-Reply-To: <174.46ed6aa.29b2901e@aol.com> References: <174.46ed6aa.29b2901e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020303040605.GA27760@fandre.com> What is wrong with the website? On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, DCsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, im gonna switch mail names and need to unsubscribe this name. The > website isnt working and it doesnt work when I do it by mail. Maybe im doing > it wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. > Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020302/dfc07f8a/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Sat Mar 2 23:20:16 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: <000001c1c261$4e8bb700$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> References: <000001c1c261$4e8bb700$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> Message-ID: <20020303051452.2CABA60319@friday.localdomain.fake> Overly complex? Yeah, well, qmail is most likely overly complex for what you want to do. This is just a rant, and will likely start some flavor of a holy war, but my experiences with qmail is its much more complex to get setup- and for most people, postfix or exim is likely an easier choice. On the topic of xinetd- what services do you run that require some sort of *inetd service? Most every server or workstation I set up, every service that would use it gets turned off, so I just dont even bother to start it. Jay On Saturday 02 March 2002 09:12 pm, you wrote: > I have been teaching myself how to properly use xinetd on a Red Hat 7.2 > system. And I like what it can do. But I am also reading up on setting > up my first qmail server and the howto and Life with qmail suggest using > ucspi-tcp which apparently serves the same function as xinetd. It seems > overly complicated to use both on the same system. Which do you folks > recommend using or should I use both for the qmail system? > Thanks > Steve Redding > stevered@mm.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com From DCsk8r34 at aol.com Sat Mar 2 23:52:01 2002 From: DCsk8r34 at aol.com (DCsk8r34@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unsubscribe problems Message-ID: <41.193dc756.29b310de@aol.com> I did send it to tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org and didnt get a response back, I also didnt see an unsubscribe button on the website. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Mar 3 04:33:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 07:15:56AM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20020303041724.C20214@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 07:15:56AM -0600, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? This > seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). The 2x rule has never been really valid, it doesn't work for systems with 4MB of ram, and it doesn't work for systems with 4G of ram, 128M, perhaps 256M should be fine for most of todays systems (something will always get swapped out that isn't being used, and having too much is a lot better than having too little). -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From houle at citilink.com Sun Mar 3 08:07:00 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scanners Message-ID: I am looking for a USB scanner that will be as universally supported across multiple platforms. I would like to run under Red Hat 7.2 and Suse 7.3 as well as Mac and Windows. I checked the Suse and Red Hat web sites for compatibility and RH makes it difficult cause you have to sort by manufacturer which I did and Suse looked like Agfa was the recommended. I would like it to do photos as well as other things and color. Anyone have some thoughts and or other places to look. Terry Houle From kelly-black at mediaone.net Sun Mar 3 08:41:08 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Mary's K12 LTSP Project Message-ID: <02030308215300.20138@edith> LUG gone service organization? http://www.mlinux.org/history/sm022002/ Nice story. Looks like most of the trouble came in wiring the buildings. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From andy at theasis.com Sun Mar 3 09:14:01 2002 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am looking for a USB scanner that will be as universally supported across > Anyone have some thoughts and or other places to look. http://www.linux-usb.org/ click on "Working Devices List" then select "Devices" from the menu at top Also read the SANE docs --- http://www.mostang.com/sane/ Andy > > Terry Houle From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 09:30:03 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups 'n' stuff In-Reply-To: <20020302155621.676ee385.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 03:56:21PM -0600 References: <20020302155621.676ee385.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020303092202.A3737@real-time.com> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 03:56:21PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Thanks to Scot for his great presentation today. I second that. many kudos to Scot for standing up there and giving his presentation! that trick with ssh and dump, was just the thing I was trying to figure out the day before. Good job Scot! > I just figured I'd > mention this, since a lot of people believe Amanda is overly complex. depends how you want to use it. If you're trying to make it into a tool for packaged deployment on multiple systems (which is against the maintainers' advice, they want you to compile it on each system), and document how you do that; it's a different matter than just using it to back up a couple of machines at home. (I was doing the former, you're probably doing the latter). for better or for worse, I usually try to RTFM a lot, before dinking with a piece of software... this can make me much slower to get things done, than those people who just try it first and see what breaks, then RTFM from there. I'm not going to say my way is better (indeed, it seems less efficient at times); it just fits my non-reckless personality. for these reasons, I advised that it would take a week to figure out amanda -- because that's what it took me. (I also realize that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed; so if you're smarter than me, you can probably figure it all out faster). > Perhaps you guys missed the link on the Amanda website pointing to an > online chapter about it from "Unix Backup and Recovery" (one of the books > Scot mentioned). > > http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html > > It helped me quite a bit when I first opened up an amanda.conf and the > reaction of, "What the--?!" yeah, that chapter is really an important doc to go by when learning amanda; it has a lot of the compile-time options, documentation on file permissions, and how to debug amanda. (file permissions will bite you on the ass multiple times; and you'll spend a bunch of time staring at debug files in /tmp/amanda, figuring out why a particular host isn't responding properly). amanda was developed in a highly heterongenous university environment, by old-school admins (not to derogate old-school admins... it's just that some of them learned modern security priciples, and a lot of them didn't), and it has been in development for many years; and all these things show. the main problem I have with amanda is that *so much* of it is hard-coded at compile time. there's a ton of compile-time options -- which in most other software would be options in a config file (thing like what your dump program is, whether tar is available, do you make debug files, where the debug files get dumped to, where the index directory goes, where the holding disk is, what ports it should listen on, what ports it should try to send to, and dozens of others). every time you want to tweak one of these configs, you have to recompile... and it's not a small program to recompile. :( also, security was not handled in a modern manner. it uses at least 3 different port ranges for communication (both high ports and low ports); and while in theory you can restrict the ports that it uses (a compile-time option); it turns out to be such a PITA that trying to change the defaults will mostly just break things. as such, it doesn't work worth squat through firewalls. (let alone a NATing firewall). (and even if you think you have it working for backups; try doing a restore... that uses a different set of ports.) the only way we found to do backups through a firewall, was to set up a VPN tunnel to the client to be backed up. the VPN also handles amanda's lack of encryption. in theory amanda can be kerberized; but for those of us without an existing kerberos infrastructure, fsck that noise... authentication to the client is done via an .rhosts-workalike (the .amandahosts file); with the usual degree of non-security. also, amanda doesn't deal well with anything but tapes as backup media. I have just learned that there is preliminary support for backup to files, in amanda 2.4.3b2 (instead of specifying a tape device [eg. /dev/nst0], you specify file:/path/to/dir/); but it's not very mature yet (you need to either write a script to move files out of that dir, or else set up multiple dirs and treat them as multiple tape drives, which is a pain as well). on the upside, I will admit that amanda: - deals well with remote systems. it's about the only free backup tool that does, unless you write your own scripts, like the estimable Mr. Jenkins. :) - supports bandwidth-throttling, so you don't crush your network or the client you're backing up. - supports lots of clients, from just about any UNIX out there. it's very portable. - lots of options can be passed to/about the client; like how much to compress the data, where to compress the data (on the client, or the server), whether to index the files, whether to record the backup, and whether to delay the backup until a more suitable time. - makes nice indexes, and gives you a nice tool with which to do restores remotely. (not the most intutive tool; but it works, and works better than most other free tools). - deals well with tape libraries and robots (very little else does). - sends you nice reports every day, about how the backup last night went. so yes, if you want to backup several terabytes of data, on several different machines, to a tape library, amanda is still likely the way to go. :) its appropriateness for smaller systems, must be evaluated in light of other tools, like Mondo (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/), or your own home-brewed backup scripts (some should be available at www.backupcentral.com). that said; yes, we use it at Real-Time, and a number of our customer sites; and will likely use it for some time to come, because of the advantages listed above. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 09:47:38 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Mary's K12 LTSP Project In-Reply-To: <02030308215300.20138@edith>; from kelly-black@mediaone.net on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 08:21:53AM -0600 References: <02030308215300.20138@edith> Message-ID: <20020303093411.B3737@real-time.com> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 08:21:53AM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > LUG gone service organization? > > http://www.mlinux.org/history/sm022002/ wow. that's really cool. I'd be willing to volunteer for a project like that. I know there was some effort a while ago, to set up a community volunteer-geek program, but it doesn't seem to have gone very far. I think what made this particular example work; is that they had a halfway clueful admin onsite already. that way when something breaks, the school doesn't have to hunt down some geek who set it up and then left it. I know there's at least one schoolteacher on this list; does anyone know of any schools that would be willing to participate in something like this? Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From fertch at mninter.net Sun Mar 3 11:24:22 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Mary's K12 LTSP Project In-Reply-To: <20020303093411.B3737@real-time.com> References: <02030308215300.20138@edith> <20020303093411.B3737@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020303112504.6a2c64e0.fertch@mninter.net> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:34:16 -0600 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I know there's at least one schoolteacher on this list; does anyone know > of > any schools that would be willing to participate in something like this? > Not off hand, but I would think that if someone were to truly sit down with the board and explain the pro's and con's (security needs to be mentioned also), as well as overall cost and that it could run on much of their current systems (both Mac and Intel based) it might spark some interest. I know their biggest fear would be training, as well as support. Much like many other places. I would think that smaller school districts would be more easily approachable than a larger one. For myself, I was rather PO'd that the Forest Lake district spent $250,000 on a company to do a comparison and determine what would best benefit the students and schools. They came back, and said "Macintosh" was the way of the business world. Absolute BS in my mind... Shawn From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Mar 3 12:13:14 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <20020303041724.C20214@techmonkeys.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101070345.014e5e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <20020303041724.C20214@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020303180322.GG26978@ringworld.org> * Matthew S. Hallacy [020303 04:35]: > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 07:15:56AM -0600, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > > Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? This > > seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). > The 2x rule has never been really valid, it doesn't work for systems with The reasoning for the 2x rule for 2.4.x before 2.4.10 was that the Rik's previous vm could do preswapping, which only really worked right if you had double the mappable space than what you had physically. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ [Of course, if I put any sort of opinion or funny statement in my .sig anymore somebody always complains. Enjoy the silence. ] From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Mar 3 12:13:46 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: St. Mary's K12 LTSP Project In-Reply-To: <20020303112504.6a2c64e0.fertch@mninter.net> References: <02030308215300.20138@edith> <20020303093411.B3737@real-time.com> <20020303112504.6a2c64e0.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020303180444.GH26978@ringworld.org> * Shawn Fertch [020303 11:25]: > For myself, I was rather PO'd that the Forest Lake district spent $250,000 on a company to do a comparison and determine what would best benefit the students and schools. They came back, and said "Macintosh" was the way of the business world. Absolute BS in my mind... I could imagine this: "Hey boss, which OS gets us the most billable time?" "Macs!" -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ [Of course, if I put any sort of opinion or funny statement in my .sig anymore somebody always complains. Enjoy the silence. ] From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 13:02:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. Mary's K12 LTSP Project In-Reply-To: <20020303112504.6a2c64e0.fertch@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 11:25:04AM -0600 References: <02030308215300.20138@edith> <20020303093411.B3737@real-time.com> <20020303112504.6a2c64e0.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020303125251.A4152@real-time.com> > Not off hand, but I would think that if someone were to truly sit down >with the board and explain the pro's and con's (security needs to be >mentioned also), as well as overall cost and that it could run on much of >their current systems (both Mac and Intel based) it might spark some >interest. I know their biggest fear would be training, as well as support. >Much like many other places. yeah, this is where it would really help to have an onsite Admin With A Clue (AWAC (TM)). anything else, and they're going to whine about how it was all easier under windows/mac, where they could 'fix' (read: break) things themselves, instead of calling a consultant/geek/other school's admin. > I would think that smaller school districts would be more easily approachable than a larger one. could very well be. > For myself, I was rather PO'd that the Forest Lake district spent $250,000 >on a company to do a comparison and determine what would best benefit the >students and schools. They came back, and said "Macintosh" was the way of >the business world. Absolute BS in my mind... with OSX, macs don't suck too badly anymore. I think the main thing OSX offers over linux, is that the user interface *isn't* easily customizable; making idiot-support much easier. if that's what they were considering, I can understand their conclusion. IMHO, Linux still wins over OSX for the classroom tho; because: - better security, when properly adminned - K12 LTSP - you can make it look like anything you want, and then lock those settings down so users can't break them. :) - the software is generally Free, and usually gratis as well. ;> but I could have told you all that for free. :) I know Bob was going to go to some school board meeting, and present the Case for Linux there; but I don't know if it's happened yet, or how it turned out. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From clay at fandre.com Sun Mar 3 13:02:51 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unsubscribe problems In-Reply-To: <20020303040900.B20214@techmonkeys.org> References: <174.46ed6aa.29b2901e@aol.com> <20020303040605.GA27760@fandre.com> <20020303040900.B20214@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020303185337.GA8238@fandre.com> As far as I know the problem only exists with IE. Use another browser and just click "Accept Certificate". On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:06:06PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > What is wrong with the website? > > The certificate does not match the hostname of the server, > the certificate is not signed by a trusted source. > > the second one is acceptable to all browsers I've used, the > first one tends to cause all kinds of problems. > > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020303/5a6de75d/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Sun Mar 3 13:03:10 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unsubscribe problems In-Reply-To: <41.193dc756.29b310de@aol.com> References: <41.193dc756.29b310de@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020303185604.GB8238@fandre.com> You must log into the subscribers section at the bottom of the page. There you will be presented with an "unsubscribe" button. https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, DCsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > I did send it to tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org and didnt get a response back, > I also didnt see an unsubscribe button on the website. > Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020303/ce785ac7/attachment.pgp From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Sun Mar 3 13:08:35 2002 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Guess I'll be the first to ask.... Message-ID: <3BE17DB6.1805F086@securecomputing.com> Isn't today the day for the beermeeting? I'm always up for one at Barley John's since I live a couple blocks from there :) -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From erik at ehanson.net Sun Mar 3 13:08:52 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML Editor Message-ID: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> Does anyone know of a good html editor with built in ftp capability? I am looking for something along the lines of homesite, but for linux. Any suggestions? Thanks. -Erik From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Mar 3 14:40:13 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: <000001c1c261$4e8bb700$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> References: <000001c1c261$4e8bb700$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> Message-ID: "Steve Redding" writes: > I have been teaching myself how to properly use xinetd on a Red Hat 7.2 > system. And I like what it can do. But I am also reading up on setting up > my first qmail server and the howto and Life with qmail suggest using > ucspi-tcp which apparently serves the same function as xinetd. It seems > overly complicated to use both on the same system. Which do you folks > recommend using or should I use both for the qmail system? I use both. The requirements of email don't match well with xinetd on this system (it handles too much email for that). Some sort of permanently running server is necessary. ucspi-tcp does that nicely. And is written to the same performance and (most important) security standards as qmail. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sun Mar 3 14:41:12 2002 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Travan tapes Message-ID: <3C8285B2.98A84861@mn.mediaone.net> I'm stuck out in MA and I need to copy some data and drag it back to the office in Vadnais, the only options I have are diskettes or a Travan tape drive. It's about 20M of data, will it matter what size of tape I use in the drive? From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 15:03:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very old messages Message-ID: <20020303144353.M6096@real-time.com> We are getting down to the last 1000 messages in the queue from the lkml injection. As such, some very old messages are making it out of the queue now. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sun Mar 3 17:16:08 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> References: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <4490.162.96.254.81.1015195927.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> Check out Quanta Plus you can find that on Sourceforge and maybe rpmfind.net. I use quanta plus at home and I am very happy with it. The Kompany sells the proprietary version called Quanta Gold which might have built in FTP. Quanta has a nice feature which allows you to integrate other programs such as Tidy HTML. There is also Bluefish which looks good and seems to have all the features, but I prefer Quanta even though it sometimes has an unpolished feel. I guess you could could run ftp from Quanta itself, or run a script. Samir M. Nassar From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com Sun Mar 3 17:16:57 2002 From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scanners References: Message-ID: <3C82AC21.4F7411F0@reuter-engineering.com> I found this to be a good link: http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html I have an Epson Perfection 1650/Photo working great under RedHat 7.2 (with upgraded kernel 2.4.17). Jon Reuter Terry Houle wrote: > I am looking for a USB scanner that will be as universally supported across > multiple platforms. I would like to run under Red Hat 7.2 and Suse 7.3 as > well as Mac and Windows. > I checked the Suse and Red Hat web sites for compatibility and RH makes it > difficult cause you have to sort by manufacturer which I did and Suse looked > like Agfa was the recommended. I would like it to do photos as well as other > things and color. > > Anyone have some thoughts and or other places to look. > > Terry Houle > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Mar 3 18:47:16 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Meeting Notes Message-ID: <20020303190202.GC8238@fandre.com> I'd like to thank Scot Jenkins for giving his "Backups" presentation at the last TCLUG meeting. For those of you who couldn't attend, you can find a link to his presentation on the TCLUG meetings page. (at the bottom, labeled "Past Meeting Notes") http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ I apoligize for not posting the meeting announcement sooner. I will try and post them a couple weeks in advance from now on. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From joelr at winternet.com Sun Mar 3 18:47:56 2002 From: joelr at winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> References: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <200203031606.12796@ellegon.com> On Thursday 01 November 2001 09:52 am, Erik Hanson wrote: > Does anyone know of a good html editor with built in ftp capability? I > am looking for something along the lines of homesite, but for linux. > Any suggestions? > Thanks. > -Erik > It's hardly overly powerful, but Netscape Composer does the job for me -- and it can "publish" (its term) via either ftp or http. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 19:14:22 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Travan tapes In-Reply-To: <3C8285B2.98A84861@mn.mediaone.net>; from tmechanic@mn.mediaone.net on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 02:21:06PM -0600 References: <3C8285B2.98A84861@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20020303185415.A5900@real-time.com> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 02:21:06PM -0600, B T wrote: > I'm stuck out in MA and I need to copy some data and drag it back to the > office in Vadnais, the only options I have are diskettes or a Travan > tape drive. It's about 20M of data, will it matter what size of tape I > use in the drive? should say on the box what drives it's compatible with. if in doubt, try it out. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 20:55:31 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-ification complete Message-ID: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> The apt-fication of our redhat mirror is complete. Right now we have Redhat 7.2 os and updates and well as Ximian for Redhat 7.2 all apt-ified. Put the following into your /etc/apt/sources.list rpm ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt redhat/7.2 os updates rpm ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt ximian/7.2 ximian I have to say it works apt for redhat works great! I'll be making a custom tclug apt rpm so member can just install the rpm and be ready to apt-get their boxes. I'd like to thank Ben (Idiot Ben) for being a remote tester for me... -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joellist at litriusgroup.com Sun Mar 3 20:56:18 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML Editor References: <3BE16FC4.EF427205@ehanson.net> <200203031606.12796@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <00b601c1c3fa$5a6ce1d0$8002a8c0@destro> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Rosenberg" To: ; "Erik Hanson" Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HTML Editor > On Thursday 01 November 2001 09:52 am, Erik Hanson wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good html editor with built in ftp capability? I > > am looking for something along the lines of homesite, but for linux. Quanta is as close as you're going to come to homesite http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ From cbidler at innominatus.com Sun Mar 3 22:56:08 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-ification complete References: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C82EA71.3030809@innominatus.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > The apt-fication of our redhat mirror is complete. I would just like to say that, as a long-time Debian advocate, mainly due to the remarkable ease of use and power of the apt-get system, that it brings a warm glow to my heart to see this announcement. ^_^ From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Mar 3 22:57:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-ification complete In-Reply-To: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> References: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020304040345.GA2418@sistina.com> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 07:36:54PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >I'd like to thank Ben (Idiot Ben) for being a remote tester for me... I'd like to thank Bob for doing the work to make the repository apt-gettable. Just one more reason to use redhat... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've set up Debian w/ Python, apache, PostgreSQL, etc. for them to pound on. I think some of the students will be interested in learning more about Linux while they're doing their programming. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 3 22:58:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-ification complete In-Reply-To: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 07:36:54PM -0600 References: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020303221943.C12788@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > The apt-fication of our redhat mirror is complete. > > Right now we have Redhat 7.2 os and updates and well as Ximian for Redhat 7.2 > all apt-ified. > > Put the following into your /etc/apt/sources.list > > rpm ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt redhat/7.2 os updates > rpm ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt ximian/7.2 ximian > > I have to say it works apt for redhat works great! > > I'll be making a custom tclug apt rpm so member can just install the rpm and be > ready to apt-get their boxes. > > I'd like to thank Ben (Idiot Ben) for being a remote tester for me... > If you want a custom made rpm already to go to use ftp.mn-linux.org as your apt mirror: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=18083&release_id=77930 -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 01:01:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-ification complete In-Reply-To: <20020303221943.C12788@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:19:43PM -0600 References: <20020303193654.I26126@real-time.com> <20020303221943.C12788@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020303232706.C27952@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > If you want a custom made rpm already to go to use ftp.mn-linux.org as your > apt mirror: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=18083&release_id=77930 Just a fair warning, apt for redhat is beta. It's work very well for myself, but I have found some issues with packages of the same name, same revision, but different releases from vendors. For instance, Redhat's xchat vs Ximian's xchat. It seems apt gets a little confused. Can someone explain to me how debian works through issues between packages of the same name, but different releases? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 4 01:03:41 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scanners Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D597@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Epson scanners seem to be the best supported. I bought an Epson Perfection 1240U awhile back, and I love it. It takes about 10 seconds to scan a full sheet of paper in full color. Other scanners that I've tried that with take well over a minute (cough, canon, cough). Absolutely zero problems making it work on my new system too. I just compiled Sane and Xsane, edited the epson config file under the sane directory to point to /dev/usb/scanner0, and loaded the scanner module with: modprobe scanner vendor=0x04b8 product=0x010b Those values come from /proc/bus/usb/devices. The Epson has sweet quality also, much better than Canon or HP of comparable resolution/price. Even on windows, the Epson really kicks the crap out of all other scanners I've tried (and we have a ton floating around at work). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jon V. Reuter To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 3/3/2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Scanners I found this to be a good link: http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html I have an Epson Perfection 1650/Photo working great under RedHat 7.2 (with upgraded kernel 2.4.17). Jon Reuter Terry Houle wrote: > I am looking for a USB scanner that will be as universally supported across > multiple platforms. I would like to run under Red Hat 7.2 and Suse 7.3 as > well as Mac and Windows. > I checked the Suse and Red Hat web sites for compatibility and RH makes it > difficult cause you have to sort by manufacturer which I did and Suse looked > like Agfa was the recommended. I would like it to do photos as well as other > things and color. > > Anyone have some thoughts and or other places to look. > > Terry Houle > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 4 01:04:52 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you're going to use qmail, you *NEED* to use ucspi-tcp for the relay restrictions to work properly. But, qmail will most likely turn out to be more trouble than it's worth. Check out postfix when you've decided you've had enough with qmail. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Steve Redding To: TCLUG (E-mail) Sent: 3/2/2002 9:12 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? I have been teaching myself how to properly use xinetd on a Red Hat 7.2 system. And I like what it can do. But I am also reading up on setting up my first qmail server and the howto and Life with qmail suggest using ucspi-tcp which apparently serves the same function as xinetd. It seems overly complicated to use both on the same system. Which do you folks recommend using or should I use both for the qmail system? Thanks Steve Redding stevered@mm.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 4 01:29:25 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weblog Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D599@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I'm looking for a decent weblogger program. I'm leaning towards Geeklog (http://geeklog.sourceforge.net), but in all honesty, I don't need all of those features. I just want something that will let me post news/comments every once in awhile, is php, and looks nice. Geeklog supposedly is written with security in mind, but they've had two fairly serious holes in it recently. Of course, that's considerably less than PHPNuke or PostNuke. Is anyone using one that is any good? Jay From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 4 03:38:44 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cgi-bin directories in user directories In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@isis.visi.com on Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:06:46PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020304032012.D18746@joelschneider.net> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:06:46PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've been googling and browsing the docs at apache.org, but I haven't > found a good answer to the question of how to set up cgi-bin directories > for the users on a Linux server running apache. > > It looks like I need a way to add those directories to the ScriptAlias > directive. Is it possible to use a regex for that? > > If Joe User wants to run a cgi script, what do the permissions need to > be on /home/joeuser/public_html/cgi-bin ? Something like the following should work (based on an excerpt from Debian's /etc/apache/access.conf file): Options Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch ExecCGI AllowOverride None Relevant documentation: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#directorymatch http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#options http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#allowoverride Joel From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Mar 4 10:08:22 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > If you're going to use qmail, you *NEED* to use ucspi-tcp for the relay > restrictions to work properly. But, qmail will most likely turn out to be > more trouble than it's worth. Check out postfix when you've decided you've > had enough with qmail. :) It'll never happen. Qmail is simple and modular and easy to understand; Postfix has too much of the Sendmail nature for me. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Mar 4 10:11:06 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting tonight! (11/1) Message-ID: Hello- Tonights beer meeting will be at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Hope to see you there! Jacque From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 10:38:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:55:45AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020304101418.I2013@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > If you're going to use qmail, you *NEED* to use ucspi-tcp for the relay > restrictions to work properly. But, qmail will most likely turn out to be > more trouble than it's worth. Check out postfix when you've decided you've > had enough with qmail. :) And when your tired of postfix, look at exim. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 10:39:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:27:27AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020304101437.J2013@real-time.com> Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > "Austad, Jay" writes: > > > If you're going to use qmail, you *NEED* to use ucspi-tcp for the relay > > restrictions to work properly. But, qmail will most likely turn out to be > > more trouble than it's worth. Check out postfix when you've decided you've > > had enough with qmail. :) > > It'll never happen. Qmail is simple and modular and easy to > understand; Postfix has too much of the Sendmail nature for me. Alas, why I said exim :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lbehrens at boolion.com Mon Mar 4 12:10:23 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux.NET Message-ID: Yesterday, I ran across an article containing an interesting link.... www.go-mono.com I suspected someone was building it, but I didn't know they were this far along. Lee Behrens From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Mar 4 12:14:26 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP Message-ID: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I am getting notices that a RedHAT server of mine is probing other networks. I need some advice on how to prevent this and find out what is occurring.The message info I received is below. I have since made sure the firewall is running and unnecessary ports including ftp are off. Any help to get on top of this would be greatly appreciated. I am fairly new, so please be specific. >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.21:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.22:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.23:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.30:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.32:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.37:21 SYN ******S* >Mar 4 02:50:27 x.x.x.x:21 -> x.156.3.38:21 SYN ******S* -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 4 12:14:59 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List Policy Vote? To "Reply-To" or not to "Reply-To" In-Reply-To: <20020226092321.F1361@real-time.com> References: <20020222054646.GB30062@wookimus.net> <20020222183943.3b6d8aaf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020223102914.B13984@sherohman.org> <20020224201306.B6249@fireopal.org> <20020225064418.GA19481@wookimus.net> <3C7AD921.2050204@haxxed.mine.nu> <20020226085750.A8578@sherohman.org> <20020226092321.F1361@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020304173232.GB22735@wookimus.net> Not to bring up a sore spot topic, but I think we need to make a final resolution to this question once and for all. Whomever is handling the web polls, this would be a good one to throw up on the site: Should the tclug-list include the "Reply-To" header for each email? 1) Yes 2) No 3) I don't care, procmail will fix all I recently saw another list "convert" to Reply-To munging because the developers were getting tired of cross-posters and inattentive list users abusing the Cc: and To: headers, thusly receiving multiple copies of the same email. The opinion of the list was that the majority of users were Windows users that did not have the powerful enough email clients to kill duplicates, so they switches to the more draconic behavior of forcing list Reply-To's. Because I do have the ability to use procmail, I've come to the recent conclusion that I no longer care. I can fix most things that list servers break in email, including duplicates and Reply-To's. Given that Mailman is nice enough to move user-defined "Reply-To" fields to "X-Reply-To", it's fairly easy to reverse. This only strengthens my platform in the "Do as you will" category. Here, then, is the reverse for Mailman's Reply-To munging: # reverse listserver's reply-to munging :0 fHW * ^Reply-To:.*$ * ^X-ReplyTo:.*$ | formail -R Reply-To X-List-Reply-To -R X-Reply-To Reply-To And general list reply-to munging reverse: # If To matches Reply-To, munge it as a X-List-Reply-To :0 fHW * ^Reply-To:.*\/[-a-zA-Z0-9.+=/]+@[-a-zA-Z0-9.+=/]+ * $ ^TO($MATCH) | formail -R Reply-To X-List-Reply-To Shall we vote via the web poll, or shall we simply resolve this thread in stating that the policy is and will remain that tclug-list@mn-linux.org is a "Reply-To" munging list. The web poll is a bit more democratic, the solution I would favor. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like it to be straight forward without too many complexity's, since as I mentioned on my last post, I am just getting familiar with this. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 4 12:17:22 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Which to use or both? In-Reply-To: <20020304101418.I2013@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D598@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020304101418.I2013@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020304174605.GB2362@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:14:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > If you're going to use qmail, you *NEED* to use ucspi-tcp for the relay > > restrictions to work properly. But, qmail will most likely turn out to be > > more trouble than it's worth. Check out postfix when you've decided you've > > had enough with qmail. :) > > And when your tired of postfix, look at exim. And when you're tired of exim use emacs 8^) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020304/f7b70185/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Mar 4 12:30:13 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting tonight! (11/1) Message-ID: Hello- Tonights beer meeting will be at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 4 12:31:32 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux.NET In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Lee J. Behrens wrote: > I suspected someone was building it, but I didn't know they were this far > along. Yes, but will it be compatible with the latest virii? :-) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-849642.html -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 4 14:05:09 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding for multiple servers In-Reply-To: <1276.204.220.56.2.1015261720.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1276.204.220.56.2.1015261720.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020304183841.GC22735@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:08:40AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I set IPCOP up last week, and it is pretty cool. I posted this question on > their newsgroup. I have 3 web and mail servers. Is there a way to put > them on a DMZ or on the green interface and forward services to the > individual boxes. Yes. This is called port forwarding. You would not need any fancy DNS zones, which is completely unrelated. You only need a few IPTables or IPChains rules to forward port connection requests to the specific IP addresses. --->Pix--->IPCOP-->SERVERS `---->WORKSTATIONS It's fairly straight-forward, but sometimes the unitiated can get confused (I know I did). There's definitely a lot to learn about advanced routing and filtering, so don't get discouraged. Best bet. Get someone to help you and initiate you, otherwise read the HTML docs provided with the tools and set up a test network using spare PC's. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020304/3be25173/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 14:06:06 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting tonight! (11/1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Tonights beer meeting will be at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis. > > All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting > > Hope to see you there! Note to anyone that hasn't figured it out -- this message is OLD. There is no beer meeting tonight. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From john at schererzoo.com Mon Mar 4 14:34:20 2002 From: john at schererzoo.com (John Scherer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the Shuttle! Who would have thought. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020304/11703c27/attachment.html From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 4 14:35:00 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting tonight! (11/1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > There is no beer meeting tonight. :) Such a shame... there should be a beer meeting EVERY night :-) -Brian From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Mar 4 14:35:31 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding for multiple servers In-Reply-To: <20020304183841.GC22735@wookimus.net> References: <20020304183841.GC22735@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1472.204.220.56.2.1015271605.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Yes. This is called port forwarding. You would not need any fancy DNS > zones, which is completely unrelated. You only need a few IPTables or > IPChains rules to forward port connection requests to the specific IP > addresses. > > --->Pix--->IPCOP-->SERVERS > `---->WORKSTATIONS As I mentioned I got a reply from IPCOP that said they were not initial set up to forward let's say port 80 to two different web servers inside the firewall, or port 25 for two different smtp servers. It seems (from their docs) that One IP = 1 possible forwarding request of port 80 to a single server. I need to forward ports to two web servers on 80 and two mail servers on 25. If this can be done with IPCOP, or IPTABLES, I have not found the docs yet.It would be fine with me (and preferable) if I could set two nics with public IP's on the outside, and one private for the inside, or be able to assign two IP's to a single nic. This does not seem possible with IPCOP, but I am open to anything that would be simple to manage. From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 4 16:01:57 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding for multiple servers In-Reply-To: <1472.204.220.56.2.1015271605.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <20020304183841.GC22735@wookimus.net> <1472.204.220.56.2.1015271605.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020304210505.GE22735@wookimus.net> > ...or be able to assign two IP's to a single nic. ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.101 netmask 255.255.255.0 iptables -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -p tcp \ --destination 192.168.0.100 --dport 80 \ --to-destination 172.0.0.100 iptables -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -p tcp \ --destination 192.168.0.101 --dport 80 \ --to-destination 172.0.0.101 Or, if you want to do round-robin for a single website address, use iptables with the MARK target. Then use advanced IP routing rules to send to one or the other. Documents found on http://www.linuxdoc.org like always. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020304/ba1927aa/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 4 16:02:47 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani>; from john@schererzoo.com on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600 References: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> Message-ID: <20020304151128.G18746@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600, John Scherer wrote: > Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but > that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia > network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the > Shuttle! Who would have thought. > > http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg That's some cutting edge late 70's technology. Maybe someone should tell them about cat5 or something. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 16:03:07 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] if you want it to last, set it in stone... Message-ID: <20020304153500.J1737@real-time.com> I wasn't entirely joking when I said at the last TCLUG meeting, that if you want your data to last, set it in stone. :) http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_534847.html?menu=news.latestheadlines seems that vellum holds up pretty well too. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 4 16:03:45 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding for multiple servers Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0035152BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> To do a single outside IP to multiple inside webservers, you can set up an apache box with software virtual servers that are set up as reverse proxies (mod_proxy). This way, all port 80 requests hit your reverse proxy and get distributed to the right webserver. As for mail, and other servers, no idea. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Norton [mailto:admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] port forwarding for multiple servers > > > > Yes. This is called port forwarding. You would not need > any fancy DNS > > zones, which is completely unrelated. You only need a few > IPTables or > > IPChains rules to forward port connection requests to the > specific IP > > addresses. > > > > --->Pix--->IPCOP-->SERVERS > > `---->WORKSTATIONS > > As I mentioned I got a reply from IPCOP that said they were > not initial set > up to forward let's say port 80 to two different web servers > inside the > firewall, or port 25 for two different smtp servers. It seems > (from their > docs) that One IP = 1 possible forwarding request of port 80 > to a single > server. I need to forward ports to two web servers on 80 and two mail > servers on 25. If this can be done with IPCOP, or IPTABLES, I have not > found the docs yet.It would be fine with me (and preferable) > if I could set > two nics with public IP's on the outside, and one private for > the inside, > or be able to assign two IP's to a single nic. This does not > seem possible > with IPCOP, but I am open to anything that would be simple to manage. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 16:04:47 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani>; from john@schererzoo.com on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600 References: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> Message-ID: <20020304154612.K1737@real-time.com> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600, John Scherer wrote: > > Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but > that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia > network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the > Shuttle! Who would have thought. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg watch that line-wrap, it's a killer.. :> seriously tho, the Shuttle is 1980 technology... I'm amazed that they even *have* networks on there. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 4 16:06:16 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0035152BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Most likely, it's because the coax is sheilded much more than standard cat-5. Or, it's also possible that this cable is used elsewhere on the shuttle, and having a spare part that can replace multiple things reduces the amount of crap they need to bring up with them. It also eliminates the need for a switch or hub, which is extra weight and just another piece of equipment that could fail. Jay -----Original Message----- From: John Scherer [mailto:john@schererzoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:13 PM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the Shuttle! Who would have thought. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.j pg From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 16:33:07 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting tonight! (11/1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Tonights beer meeting will be at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis. > > All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting > > Hope to see you there! Note to anyone that hasn't figured it out -- this message is OLD. There is no beer meeting tonight. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Mar 4 16:34:28 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> References: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> Message-ID: "John Scherer" writes: > Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the Shuttle! Who would have thought. > > http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg I'm certainly surprised they're using anything that modern! -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 4 16:49:28 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP In-Reply-To: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > I am getting notices that a RedHAT server of mine is probing other > networks. I need some advice on how to prevent this and find out what is > occurring.The message info I received is below. I have since made sure the > firewall is running and unnecessary ports including ftp are off. Any help > to get on top of this would be greatly appreciated. I am fairly new, so > please be specific. Umm.. Cut power to your machine. Boot up with tomsrtbt or a bootable business card. Use `dd' and `nc' (netcat) or ssh to copy the contents of your hard drive partitions to another system. Reinstall your system while it is disconnected from the network or at least behind a firewall. Run up2date or whatever other utility you like to patch your system to whatever is current. Copy important data from the disk images back onto your server, and then you'll be ready to have your computer on the network again.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Syntactic sugar causes / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ cancer of the semicolon. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020304/998e7c8b/attachment.pgp From Fred.Zellinger at seagate.com Mon Mar 4 18:08:14 2002 From: Fred.Zellinger at seagate.com (Fred.Zellinger@seagate.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600, John Scherer wrote: > > Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but > that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia > network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the > Shuttle! Who would have thought. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg I looked at the picture in some detail, an the one thing that struck me was the 3-ring binders of schematics, flowcharts, diagrams, etc that these guys have to manually browse through to do their job. Given that each additional kilo of mass cost $1000+ to get into orbit, wouldn't each of them simply carry around a PDA with all the reference data in a searchable format? No. Space flight is a nasty business, small accidents can quickly turn deadly. When some sort of radiation knocks all your transistorized electronics on their butt, you'll be glad that you still have a pen light and paper manuals to get you home again. I have heard people rag on NASA/Space Shuttle for years about their outdated technology...but most of the technology choices where made for reasons of robustness. It has to be very frustrating for the shuttle crew(mostly PhDs), to have to do so much manual labor in space, when there is a lot of technology which could help them...if it wasn't earthbound for environmental reasons. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Mar 4 18:08:51 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP In-Reply-To: <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: i believe what mike is trying to say is that there is a very good chance that your box has been rooted. up2date is a nifty tool with two problems, 1 you can have only one box active with redhat and second it is primarity an X tool, not very good for servers that are Xless or headless either use apt-get or rsync the updated folder from any redhat mirror and then rpm -Fvh the entire folder... -munir On Monday 04 March 2002 04:47 pm, Mick Hicks wrote: > Umm.. Cut power to your machine. Boot up with tomsrtbt or a bootable > business card. Use `dd' and `nc' (netcat) or ssh to copy the contents > of your hard drive partitions to another system. Reinstall your system > while it is disconnected from the network or at least behind a firewall. > Run up2date or whatever other utility you like to patch your system to > whatever is current. Copy important data from the disk images back onto > your server, and then you'll be ready to have your computer on the > network again.. From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 4 18:09:27 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP In-Reply-To: <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 04:47:53PM -0600 References: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020304173223.I18746@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 04:47:53PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > > > I am getting notices that a RedHAT server of mine is probing other > > networks. I need some advice on how to prevent this and find out what is > > occurring.The message info I received is below. I have since made sure the > > firewall is running and unnecessary ports including ftp are off. Any help > > to get on top of this would be greatly appreciated. I am fairly new, so > > please be specific. > > Umm.. Cut power to your machine. Boot up with tomsrtbt or a bootable > business card. Use `dd' and `nc' (netcat) or ssh to copy the contents of > your hard drive partitions to another system. Reinstall your system while > it is disconnected from the network or at least behind a firewall. Run > up2date or whatever other utility you like to patch your system to > whatever is current. Copy important data from the disk images back onto > your server, and then you'll be ready to have your computer on the network > again.. I agree with Mike that it appears someone or something has broken in to your system and has been using it to scan other networks. For forensic purposes, you may want to capture an image of the system in its present state. Once you have this image, you can safely reinstall your operating system and ressurect your system without being worried about destroying evidence. Later, you can make copies of the image and perform forensic analysis on them. The Coroner's Toolkit (TCT) is supposed to be a good set of tools for forensic analysis: http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html The above web site also offers some advice for people whose systems have been cracked. The lnx-bbc bootable business card includes some tools from TCT: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ PLAC is another bootable CD image that contains TCT: http://sourceforge.net/projects/plac/ Joel From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 4 20:30:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 05:13:59PM -0600 References: <1259.204.220.56.2.1015261052.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020304164753.54afaa1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020304201558.Y4698@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > i believe what mike is trying to say is that there is a very good chance > that your box has been rooted. > > up2date is a nifty tool with two problems, 1 you can have only one box > active with redhat and second it is primarity an X tool, not very good for > servers that are Xless or headless > > either use apt-get or rsync the updated folder from any redhat mirror and > then rpm -Fvh the entire folder... I have to say apt for redhat is working great for us here at Real Time. I have migrated 6 machines and 2 vmware boxes over to apt and have not had any problems. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Mon Mar 4 20:31:02 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> References: <001301c1c3b9$02f71d80$0f00a8c0@dani> Message-ID: <02030420185900.00807@geezer> On Monday 04 March 2002 14:13, John Scherer wrote: > Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but that's not > what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia network dongle > floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the Shuttle! Who would have > thought. > > http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059. >jpg I don't know. In a confined area (the shuttle qualifies I think) thinnet is easier to setup and takes less space. (all puns intentional ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Mar 4 22:16:11 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? Message-ID: For those of you using LVM, what do you use for a bootdisk? I'm not putting my root filesystem on LVM, but I intend to move everything else to LVM and have had enough problems from time to time to realize that not having a bootdisk that can access all your partitions on its own can be a real problem. So what do people use? Perferrably something that's only on floppies. I've tried tomsrtbt and SuSE's rescue disk for 7.3. Neither support it, AFAIK. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Mon Mar 4 23:35:13 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG RPM mirror apt'd References: <20020226204816.J20180@real-time.com> <20020227155450.GB6481@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3C844DD4.5080305@haxxed.mine.nu> WIN. Thanks ben! From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 5 00:05:12 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotplug IDE/floppy on laptops? References: <20020302110405.4b30d3ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C845B5F.4040803@haxxed.mine.nu> > I'm curious if anyone knows of a `nicer' way to do this. I've heard that > ACPI (a successor of sorts to APM) should allow for this, but from what > I've heard, ACPI is fairly unsupported in Linux these days.. It'd be cool > if it was automatic Someday this will be supported by the linux hotplug scripts: http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ I just apt-got the hotplug RPM and my redhat box started hotplugging USB drivers. Yay, no more manual modprobing or having drivers constantly loaded from rc.local. Now to write a script to detect when I've plugged my USB digicam in, automatically unload all the pictures, and upload them to the webserver... From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Mar 5 08:25:11 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP Message-ID: <7ffdd0210212c507d2@[172.29.97.10]> > > up2date is a nifty tool with two problems, 1 you can have > only one box > > active with redhat and second it is primarity an X tool, > not very good for > > servers that are Xless or headless Does up2date have a dependancy on X. up2date -u works beautiful from a command line through ssh for me. It would be nice if Red Hat would support more than one box for free, but they have to make a living too. IPC 2002 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Mar 5 08:27:50 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS says it can't sell Windows Message-ID: <7ffdd0440212e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Here' another log for the fire. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/05/0232253&mode=thread IPC 2002 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Mar 5 08:56:54 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Request for assistance for a beginner In-Reply-To: <3C84C57D.A65F4E7E@earthlink.net> References: <3C84C57D.A65F4E7E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020305084258.A21256@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:17:51AM -0600, Tom Howard wrote: > I'm just getting started w/Linux and am having no luck trying to > configure my computer to hook up to the internet. I'm running Red Hat & > other versions, and jockeying two modems around trying to find a > connection. I can bring my computer to someone in the Twin Cities > area, if there is someone from whom I could purchase some basic > technical assistance. Thanks, Tom First off, you'll get better response to this type of question from the regular TCLUG list, than from the TCLUG development list, which deals more with programming questions and has fewer people subscribed. For this reason, I'm sending this message to both lists. If you're not already subscribed to the TCLUG list, you might want to join. Second off, I'm sure some one will be able to give you a hand, but it would be helpful if you provided some more information. A few pieces of information you might want to supply: the version of Red Hat (and whatever other distributions you've tried), the model of computer you're trying to install on, the brands and models of the modems you've tried, the tool within Red Hat you're trying to use to set up the modem connection, and the ISP you're trying to connect to. There's probably more info that would be useful, but you get the idea. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Mar 5 11:07:15 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15492.56509.909402.666572@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "FZ" == Fred Zellinger writes: FZ> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:13:11PM -0600, John Scherer wrote: >> >> Check out the picture below. It's of Astronaut Duane Carey, but >> that's not what's funny. Take a closer look at the 3COM pcmcia >> network dongle floating above his notebook. It's thin-net! On the >> Shuttle! Who would have thought. FZ> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-109/hires/s109e5059.jpg FZ> I looked at the picture in some detail, an the one thing that struck me was FZ> the 3-ring binders of schematics, flowcharts, diagrams, etc that these guys FZ> have to manually browse through to do their job. Given that each FZ> additional kilo of mass cost $1000+ to get into orbit, wouldn't each of FZ> them simply carry around a PDA with all the reference data in a searchable FZ> format? FZ> No. Space flight is a nasty business, small accidents can quickly turn FZ> deadly. When some sort of radiation knocks all your transistorized FZ> electronics on their butt, you'll be glad that you still have a pen light FZ> and paper manuals to get you home again. FZ> I have heard people rag on NASA/Space Shuttle for years about their FZ> outdated technology...but most of the technology choices where made for FZ> reasons of robustness. It has to be very frustrating for the shuttle FZ> crew(mostly PhDs), to have to do so much manual labor in space, when there FZ> is a lot of technology which could help them...if it wasn't earthbound for FZ> environmental reasons. It's not just manned space that has this issue. Hardware and software for civilian aviation that has to be flight-certified also has this issue (not biz jets and general aviation --- they're a little more flexible). For many such products, the MAJORITY of the development cost is verification, validation and certification. Actually, the stuff you see the astronauts carry is WAY MORE ADVANCED than the stuff that's bolted into the shuttle. The portable stuff is almost by definition not flight critical, and doesn't have to go through years and years of review. A little technological backwardness is the price you pay for safety. Another issue about the manuals in binders is that they often were prepared before the days of document formats that are friendly for PDAs. Yeah, you can fit tons of manuals on a PDA --- UNLESS the manuals have to be scanned as images, because they were generated by ancient text-processing programs (that may not even exist any more). If you've gotta carry gifs or jpegs of your manual pages, your PDA isn't a whole lot of help. Plus looking things up without text search makes binders actually more efficient (I can speak to this issue from personal experience, having downloaded manuals for some of my obsolete computer hardware!). R From jmlohren at citilink.com Tue Mar 5 11:20:33 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP References: <7ffdd0210212c507d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <001001c1c45b$8cf9e560$0200a8c0@gomer> You 'can' have is support more than one system if you use a different username/e-mail combination...kinda a PIA, but it works. Not like the basic support costs them much...it's all computer generated info/mailings/site..etc..where they make their bucks is with the actual support packages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Ware" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Could use some help ASAP > > > > up2date is a nifty tool with two problems, 1 you can have > > only one box > > > active with redhat and second it is primarity an X tool, > > not very good for > > > servers that are Xless or headless > > Does up2date have a dependancy on X. up2date -u works beautiful from a > command line through ssh for me. It would be nice if Red Hat would > support more than one box for free, but they have to make a living too. > > > IPC 2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Tue Mar 5 11:39:54 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer reported off line Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3D3@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have an Epson 820 connected to a computer. This computer is running samba and cups and is connected to a network so the printer is shared. I have another computer running Redhat and cups and it is able to print to the printer. When I try to print from a windows machine connected to the network it comes back as saying the printer is offline. I believe that cups has its own server on the host machine and that it talks with cups on the Redhat machine. The windows machine has to use samba and somehow samba is not communicating with cups. I have looked at the cups docs and saw were I had to set change two lines in the [printers] section. I did that and it didn't work. I am writing from work so I don't have access to the smbd.conf file to post the printer section. Does anyone have had similar experience with samba, cups, and windows? Thanks John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 5 11:49:59 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email Message-ID: I just got this email without To: field or a From: field here is the header from the mbox file: >From MAILER-DAEMON@RedConcepts.NET Fri Nov 2 13:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kuk (modem249-p72.dravanet.hu [212.40.75.249]) by RedConcepts.NET (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fA2JZuv19185 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:35:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:35:57 -0600 Message-Id: <200111021935.fA2JZuv19185@RedConcepts.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VEKXQJK1UZ4DY3GLMV096F85MB" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 it came with a .EXE file attachement "GPPFJJGP.EXE, i dont have a spare 95 box around to see what the attachment does, any clues? -munir -- From jack at jacku.com Tue Mar 5 13:30:07 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS says it can't sell Windows In-Reply-To: <7ffdd0440212e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <7ffdd0440212e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <02030511412100.00783@geezer> On Tuesday 05 March 2002 07:06, Ryan Ware wrote: > Here' another log for the fire. > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/05/0232253&mode=thread > > While that article and its comments are interesting... The actual Ballmer deposition is even more entertaining. For those that don't want to go to newsforge first its here: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/legal/feb02/02-08nballmer.asp -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Tue Mar 5 13:32:08 2002 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer reported off line In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3D3@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3D3@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020305181537.TYVT1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@there> On Tuesday 05 March 2002 11:05 am, Miller, John wrote: > Does anyone have had similar experience with samba, cups, and windows? Here is my smb.conf printer section. I share an HP printer connected to my Lycoris box with other Win98 clients and it works fine. [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba create mask = 0700 printable = Yes browseable = Yes guest ok = Yes Hope that helps. From lbehrens at boolion.com Tue Mar 5 13:32:53 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. Lee Behrens From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Mar 5 13:33:23 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why not do a strings and see which functions are imported? Even better, why not just assume it's mal-ware or porn-ad-ware? Joshua b. Jore http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > I just got this email without To: field or a From: field > > here is the header from the mbox file: > > > >From MAILER-DAEMON@RedConcepts.NET Fri Nov 2 13:36:05 2001 > Return-Path: > Received: from kuk (modem249-p72.dravanet.hu [212.40.75.249]) > by RedConcepts.NET (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fA2JZuv19185 > for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:35:57 -0600 > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:35:57 -0600 > Message-Id: <200111021935.fA2JZuv19185@RedConcepts.NET> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VEKXQJK1UZ4DY3GLMV096F85MB" > Status: RO > X-Status: > X-Keywords: > X-UID: 16 > > > it came with a .EXE file attachement "GPPFJJGP.EXE, i dont have a spare 95 > box around to see what the attachment does, any clues? > > -munir > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8hQ/LfexLsowstzcRAtbcAJ0W5BJbk0nL9MrflR6BH4Htj5UYKwCg8o26 g8DRFFUeKu9RtvdeyyqlMCw= =mLZo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 5 13:35:26 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020305124242.1bfe8fd9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Munir Nassar wrote: > > I just got this email without To: field or a From: field > [snip] > > it came with a .EXE file attachement "GPPFJJGP.EXE, i dont have a spare 95 > box around to see what the attachment does, any clues? Well, you can always run `strings' on it.. That usually at lesat lets you know some of the functions that the program calls, but it often brings up a lot of other junk, too... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ OK, so what's the speed of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ dark? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <15492.56509.909402.666572@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <3C851D8F.9080007@innominatus.com> Robert P. Goldman wrote: > If you've gotta carry gifs or jpegs of your manual pages, your PDA > isn't a whole lot of help. Plus looking things up without text search > makes binders actually more efficient (I can speak to this issue from > personal experience, having downloaded manuals for some of my > obsolete computer hardware!) Also, your printed manual isn't going to lose battery power or get nailed by a small EM flux and need a hard reset during, say, emergency repairs or landing preparations. :) From kelly-black at mediaone.net Tue Mar 5 13:57:21 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02030513381000.21765@edith> I am willing to run any virus you send me under Wine to see what it does! (Won't be perfect, but it should give an idea of it's purpose) Wine is nice as you can see the registry with vi! I got this code last night from ??? crap forgot the link. It had to do with IE5.5 and up just running XML code (even with ActiveX turned off. They had a registry hack to at least cause it to ask for confirmation before running the application. Anyway, for exploit curious people out there, check out the following links: (for spawning notepad.exe on W95/W98 with IE5.5) http://fork.ods.org:8079/fun.html (For same but NT (untested)) http://fork.ods.org:8079/fun2.html (For installing IE5.5 if you already have it installed in the default location): http://fork.ods.org:8079/fun3.html Not much going on there, just spawn a program on the users box. I am not XML aware enough to pass command line args, and I could not get command.com to load (only got progman.exe, exploder, and other windoze programs to spawn via the hole). Who knows, this may be usefull for someone who writes Windoze software. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Friday 02 November 2001 13:44, Someone wrote: > I just got this email without To: field or a From: field for noise conscious people... From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:01:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:44:35PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020305141423.X4698@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > I just got this email without To: field or a From: field > > here is the header from the mbox file: Snarf uvscan and see if it's a virus. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:01:59 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: <02030513381000.21765@edith>; from kelly-black@mediaone.net on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:38:10PM -0600 References: <02030513381000.21765@edith> Message-ID: <20020305141520.Y4698@real-time.com> Quoting Kelly Black (kelly-black@mediaone.net): > I am willing to run any virus you send me under Wine to see what it does! > (Won't be perfect, but it should give an idea of it's purpose) > Wine is nice as you can see the registry with vi! You could certify GPPFJJGP.EXE virus as Wine compliant! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:02:48 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:55:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > For those of you using LVM, what do you use for a bootdisk? I'm not putting > my root filesystem on LVM, but I intend to move everything else to LVM and > have had enough problems from time to time to realize that not having a > bootdisk that can access all your partitions on its own can be a real > problem. So what do people use? Perferrably something that's only on > floppies. I've tried tomsrtbt and SuSE's rescue disk for 7.3. Neither > support it, AFAIK. > Carl, would mindi work in this instance? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Mar 5 16:03:40 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... Message-ID: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a one-disk (floppy or cd-rom) linux distro for web browsing. I realize it's an odd request. I'm going to take a computer security course that involves my bringing a sacrificial laptop. I sure don't want much information on that box. But it would be cool if I could boot it from some fixed media and just use it to read email through a browser, so I'm not totally out of touch. Bringing two laptops doesn't seem very appealing!!!! R From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 5 16:06:48 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63548.65.25.220.124.1015360411.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> I thought that most of those scientists were exported to the US during the post-war occupation of germany... -munir > And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks > in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their > homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 5 16:08:02 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63551.65.25.220.124.1015360762.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> wow, flashback... thanks for the replies,i have long since lost that email but the next time i come across it i will try 'strings' and running it under wine, what bothers me more though is the lack of To and From fields, i thought these were vital for SMTP traffic, -munir > I just got this email without To: field or a From: field > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:10:13 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:16:21PM -0600 References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:16:21PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > > For those of you using LVM, what do you use for a bootdisk? I'm not putting > > my root filesystem on LVM, but I intend to move everything else to LVM and > > have had enough problems from time to time to realize that not having a > > bootdisk that can access all your partitions on its own can be a real > > problem. So what do people use? Perferrably something that's only on > > floppies. I've tried tomsrtbt and SuSE's rescue disk for 7.3. Neither > > support it, AFAIK. > > > > Carl, would mindi work in this instance? yes. Mindi has support for LVM, RAID, and XFS out of the box; and anything else you have kernel modules for, as long as you can load the modules. :) (and it'll basically try to load all modules at boot time). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:14:25 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <01C16333.BD730C00.eng@pinenet.com>; from eng@pinenet.com on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:17:00AM -0600 References: <01C16333.BD730C00.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20011102141429.K9912@real-time.com> > No so long ago I gutted an old desk size (wide paper) teletype machine to > use for a fuel cell carriage. The huge printed circuit card rack area is > perfect for fuel cell modules, the huge power supply area can still be used > again for a (reverse) power supply, and the desktop is perfect for a > controller PC. I welded some heavy steel plate to the original steel frame > in case it all blows up. good gods, what are you planning to do with a contraption like that? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 16:25:27 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... In-Reply-To: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:18:02PM -0600 References: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020305160823.J4698@real-time.com> Quoting Robert P. Goldman (goldman@htc.honeywell.com): > > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a one-disk (floppy or cd-rom) > linux distro for web browsing. Look at peewee linux. I got everything in 7Mb. I think the latest BBC will do X? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Mar 5 16:25:59 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <63548.65.25.220.124.1015360411.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> References: <63548.65.25.220.124.1015360411.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <15493.17189.219343.234941@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "n" == nassarmu writes: n> I thought that most of those scientists were exported to the US during n> the post-war occupation of germany... >> And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks >> in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their >> homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. >> That's right. Lots of these folks were NOT the good guys who "fled their homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign." The US and the USSR grabbed whoever they could grab from the Nazi V2 programs at the end of the war, and neither was too fussy about who had used slave labor, etc., etc. Lee's original point is true of the nuclear weapons program, but not the space program. Einstein, Fermi, and many others had been driven out of Nazi- and Nazi-occupied Europe. R From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 5 16:26:40 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: Any links/sources to back up either point of view? >>> nassarmu@redconcepts.net 03/05/02 02:33PM >>> >I thought that most of those scientists were exported to the US during >the post-war occupation of germany... >> And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks >> in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their >> homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 5 16:27:04 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange Email In-Reply-To: <63551.65.25.220.124.1015360762.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:39:22PM -0600 References: <63551.65.25.220.124.1015360762.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020305162349.F8161@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:39:22PM -0600, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > what bothers me more though is the lack of To and From fields, i > thought these were vital for SMTP traffic, Nope. Once you've specified (from memory) HELO, RCPT TO, and MAIL FROM, you use DATA to send the actual content - both headers and body - and anything goes there. If the headers are malformed, mail clients may choke on it, but SMTP doesn't particularly care. RCPT TO/MAIL FROM and the To:/From: headers don't have any particular relationship enforced on them. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Mar 5 18:16:20 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... In-Reply-To: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020305162635.A21969@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:18:02PM -0600, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a one-disk (floppy or cd-rom) > linux distro for web browsing. Depending on what you want in a browser, there are a lot of choices. The two bootable business card projects would probably both work. The Linuxcare Bootable Toolbox [1] mentions that it includes mozilla, so that would work for sure. I didn't see an obvious list of included software with the LNX-BBC project [2], but I 'm sure it includes at least lynx. And if you're really hardcore, Tom's Root Boot[3] includes telnet so anything is possible ;). 1. http://lbt.linuxcare.com/index.epl 2. http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ 3. http://www.toms.net/rb/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Mar 5 18:17:19 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15493.18398.703627.940460@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "TAJ" == Troy A Johnson writes: TAJ> Any links/sources to back up either point of view? >>>> nassarmu@redconcepts.net 03/05/02 02:33PM >>> >> I thought that most of those scientists were exported to the US during >> the post-war occupation of germany... >>> And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks >>> in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their >>> homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. This isn't really a POV sorta issue. Any encyclopedia should have information about, for example, the wartime history of Werner von Braun. The Peenemunde manufacture of the V2 certainly used slave labor. Claims differ about how bad this was. But there's no question about the fact that the US picked up pieces of the V2 program, nor that the USSR picked up whatever rocket scientists it could find on its side of the partition of Germany. Can't cite a particular book, but it should be easy to find one. Try an in-depth history of the space program or of WWII. R From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Mar 5 18:17:47 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <15493.17189.219343.234941@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <63548.65.25.220.124.1015360411.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> <15493.17189.219343.234941@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020305163928.B21969@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 04:13:57PM -0600, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Lee's original point is true of the nuclear weapons program, but not > the space program. Einstein, Fermi, and many others had been driven > out of Nazi- and Nazi-occupied Europe. Well, Fermi fled fascism in Italy, which isn't exactly the same thing. Also, Einstein relationship to the Manhattan Project was pretty much confined to his famous letter to FDR advising that an atomic bomb was possible. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 5 18:20:17 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> Message-ID: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:16:21PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > > > For those of you using LVM, what do you use for a bootdisk? I'm not putting > > > my root filesystem on LVM, but I intend to move everything else to LVM and > > > have had enough problems from time to time to realize that not having a > > > bootdisk that can access all your partitions on its own can be a real > > > problem. So what do people use? Perferrably something that's only on > > > floppies. I've tried tomsrtbt and SuSE's rescue disk for 7.3. Neither > > > support it, AFAIK. > > > > > > > Carl, would mindi work in this instance? > > yes. Mindi has support for LVM, RAID, and XFS out of the box; and anything > else you have kernel modules for, as long as you can load the modules. :) > (and it'll basically try to load all modules at boot time). It looks like a nice idea, but it seems rather particular about who it runs as and where it's installed. That and it claims my kernel is too big: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1040661 Feb 11 19:57 bzImage-2.4.17 Does this mean I need to make more things modules? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 5 18:24:00 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:57:25AM -0600 References: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011102142622.M9912@real-time.com> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif actually, I question the first statement: Girls = Time * Money how do we know that it isn't Girls = Time + Money ? of course, maybe this lack of mathematical understanding is why I've had mediocre results at relationships... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From wlayer at attbi.com Tue Mar 5 18:45:02 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0035152BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0035152BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020304173049.27f40ecf.wlayer@attbi.com> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:49:51 -0600 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Most likely, it's because the coax is sheilded much more than standard > cat-5. Or, it's also possible that this cable is used elsewhere on the > shuttle, and having a spare part that can replace multiple things > reduces the amount of crap they need to bring up with them. It also > eliminates the need for a switch or hub, which is extra weight and just > another piece of equipment that could fail. I would also suspect that mechanical fragility comes into play.. RJ-45 connectors (male & female) are really easy to mess up, break the little tab off etc, whereas a BNC is metallic and tough.. I bet the coax cables are capable of greater tensile loads as well, nice when your magneti-boots fault and you go floating into space clutching only your thinkpad ;-) -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From jack at jacku.com Tue Mar 5 18:45:24 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02030518342001.00805@geezer> On Tuesday 05 March 2002 16:22, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Any links/sources to back up either point of view? > > >>> nassarmu@redconcepts.net 03/05/02 02:33PM >>> > > > >I thought that most of those scientists were exported to the US during > >the post-war occupation of germany... > > > >> And to think that we have a shuttle program to talk about, thanks > >> in part to all the scientists (rocket and other) who fled their > >> homelands for the U.S. during Hitler's reign. > THe following is from the site: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/TRC/Rockets/history_of_rockets.html With the fall of Germany, many unused V-2 rockets and components were captured by the Allies. Many German rocket scientists came to the United States. Others went to the Soviet Union. The German scientists, including Wernher von Braun, were amazed at the progress Goddard had made. In one of the movies based on the early space race I remember a quote that was put into Lyndon Johnson's mouth (at the time Senate Majority Leader) that went something like, "Let's make sure our Germans are better than their Germans!" While there was a history of rocketry in the US, Goddard most significantly, the Germans were well ahead in the 1940's. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Mar 5 20:27:56 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... In-Reply-To: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15493.10234.998853.306060@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020306013004.GA1325@sistina.com> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:18:02PM -0600, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > >I was just wondering if anyone knew of a one-disk (floppy or cd-rom) >linux distro for web browsing. Why not just secure your box....It's not that hard. Turn off all services. Set BIOS passwords, set grub passwords. never leave it unattended, end of problem. Anyone who can break into that machine deserves it, and you should present it to them like a damn prize. > >I realize it's an odd request. > >I'm going to take a computer security course that involves my bringing >a sacrificial laptop. I sure don't want much information on that >box. But it would be cool if I could boot it from some fixed media >and just use it to read email through a browser, so I'm not totally >out of touch. > >Bringing two laptops doesn't seem very appealing!!!! > >R >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020305/9047a195/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Mar 5 20:28:50 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday March 7th 2002 Message-ID: Hi all- 3/7/02 we'll be meeting at the Town Hall Brewery at 6pm. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting All are welcome.Hope to see you there! Jacque From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Mar 5 20:29:19 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020306013150.GB1325@sistina.com> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:16:21PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Carl, would mindi work in this instance? You could make any bootdisk with lvm compiled staticly in include the tools and you're good. It's not a hard thing to accomplish. Also I believe the BBC has the lvm tools. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That and it claims my kernel is too big: > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1040661 Feb 11 19:57 bzImage-2.4.17 > > Does this mean I need to make more things modules? well, you'll definitely need to be root to build the images. as for the size of the kernel; I dunno, I've only started to mess with it. try building more stuff as modules; or else try the default 2.4.12 kernel that comes with it and see if it has LVM support. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 5 20:52:46 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. Message-ID: <3C857FA3.10902@haxxed.mine.nu> Anyone noticed Mozilla's tendancy to use fonts way too big on some sites (www.redhat.com, and www.theregister.co.uk in particular is really freaking big) and way too damn small on others (www.penny-arcade.com)? It seems to have something to do with CSS. Anyone know of a trick to fix this? NS4 had a fontscale resource you could tweak, but I can't find anything on doing such a thing on mozilla... Tweaking the text zoom all the time gets annoying. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Mar 5 23:00:21 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Thursday March 7th 2002 Message-ID: Hi all- 3/7/02 we'll be meeting at the Town Hall Brewery at 6pm. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting All are welcome.Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Mar 6 00:39:22 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list References: <200201021949.g02JnmG12686@zjod.net> Message-ID: <3C85ACC0.8080200@haxxed.mine.nu> >>A better solution, IMHO, would be to strip the archiving part of mailman out and >>make it a seperate process. Thus, you'd be able to distribute the >>receiving/delivery and archiving/web processes. >> >>The hard "hit" on the list server is appending files to the huge mbox files. But >>the next hardest "hit" is all the search engines spidering the archives. >> >> > > Maybe search engine spiders ought to be limited to the middle of the night? > > Given the P.I.T.A. factor associated with maintaining a fast, working mailing list, > "choice B" might be to examine a Mn.tclug usenet newsgroup... Message archives stored in a Postgresql database anyone? From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Wed Mar 6 01:02:27 2002 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and P4 install problems Message-ID: <20020306064324.MFEK2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Several users of Lycoris Linux are having trouble installing it onto Intel P4 processors. The installer fails with no errors. I know there was an issue about a year (or more) ago concerning the Linux kernel and the Intel P4. I believe it was resolved quickly with a patch. Lycoris is based on Caldera OpenLinux Workstation 3.1. Has anyone experienced problems installing Caldera 3.1 on the P4 processor. Or am I looking in the wrong direction? Thanks... From lbehrens at boolion.com Wed Mar 6 01:03:14 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: The thread has been interesting. Really. (I especially liked the NASA link, and my nephew will love it.) But.... Hitler and various assorted Nazis occupied Germany, during what could be described as the beginnings of the modern space age, which eventually lead to a TCLUG discussion about a picture taken on board a space shuttle six decades later. ;) Lee From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Mar 6 06:37:32 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer reported off line Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3D7@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have an Epson 820 connected to a computer. This computer is running samba and cups and is connected to a network so the printer is shared. I have another computer running Redhat and cups and it is able to print to the printer. When I try to print from a windows machine connected to the network it comes back as saying the printer is offline. I believe that cups has its own server on the host machine and that it talks with cups on the Redhat machine. The windows machine has to use samba and somehow samba is not communicating with cups. I have looked at the cups docs and saw were I had to set change two lines in the [printers] section. I did that and it didn't work. I am writing from work so I don't have access to the smbd.conf file to post the printer section. Does anyone have had similar experience with samba, cups, and windows? Thanks John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 6 07:18:00 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and P4 install problems In-Reply-To: <20020306064324.MFEK2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> References: <20020306064324.MFEK2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: For what it's worth, I run Linux 2.4.8 (default Mandrake kernel) on a P4 with no troubles. - Jared On Wednesday 06 March 2002 12:42 am, you wrote: > Several users of Lycoris Linux are having trouble installing it onto Intel > P4 processors. The installer fails with no errors. I know there was an > issue about a year (or more) ago concerning the Linux kernel and the Intel > P4. I believe it was resolved quickly with a patch. Lycoris is based on > Caldera OpenLinux Workstation 3.1. > > Has anyone experienced problems installing Caldera 3.1 on the P4 processor. > Or am I looking in the wrong direction? Thanks... > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 6 08:51:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020306013150.GB1325@sistina.com> References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020306013150.GB1325@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020306144852.GA10823@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:31:50PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > You could make any bootdisk with lvm compiled staticly in include the > tools and you're good. You definitely need to include the tools. I haven't compiled the tools statically yet, so I couldn't tell you how space efficient this would be. Best bet is to try it and see. Remember, you won't need all of the lvm tools to boot. I believe vgscan and vgchange are the only "boot critical" tools needed. In which case, two statically compiled binaries shouldn't crunch you for space at all. Remember to create a minimalistic kernel with module support. This will cut down on the kernel size greatly. You can even compile in LVM support as a module and use it in your initrd image. For a Debian package (remember, you can always grab the original source tarball and roll your own if you don't want debs) to help you build boot discs, check out: syslinux - Bootloader for Linux/i386 using MS-DOS floppies mkrboot - Make a kernel + rootimage bootable from one disk or from DOS initrd-tools - Tools to generate an initrd image. mkinitrd-cd - Creates an initrd image suitable for booting from a live CD-ROM mkcramfs - Make a CramFs (Compressed ROM File System) cramfsprogs - Tools for CramFs (Compressed ROM File System). mindi - Creates boot/root disks based on your system Some useful tricks can be found here: boot-floppies - Scripts to create the Debian installation system There's plenty of FAQ's and HOWTO's at your disposal. Just plan on spending a few days figuring out how everything works. Good Luck. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020306/5f20be92/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Mar 6 09:09:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7604A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can also download a bootable floppy of QNX that has a built in web browser and networking. http://www.qnx.com Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:goldman@htc.honeywell.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:18 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] one-disk linux distro for email.... > > > > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a one-disk (floppy or cd-rom) > linux distro for web browsing. > > I realize it's an odd request. > > I'm going to take a computer security course that involves my bringing > a sacrificial laptop. I sure don't want much information on that > box. But it would be cool if I could boot it from some fixed media > and just use it to read email through a browser, so I'm not totally > out of touch. > > Bringing two laptops doesn't seem very appealing!!!! > > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Mar 6 10:35:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1989.204.220.56.2.1015430364.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Need some advise. We had a major attack on one of our servers that I could not seem to stop, so we brought it down. I had people fromthe newsgroup inform me it had been rooted. Most of the advise they gave me was over my head (for now). The log files showed I had stopped things, but according to the nasty email from major Universities and the Navy it wasn't as stopped as I thought. I am in the process of trying to move my mrtg and RT stuff over to another server. I am using ssh and scp. I would prefer to copy over whole directories, but so far I can only see how to do files, which worked on a test, but for some reason I get this error when attempting to use scp: scp admin@x.x.x.x:*.* admin@x.x.x.x: server asks for password to admin@host1 IP I enter it, and get the following: You have no controlling tty. Cannot read passphrase. lost connection. If I enter the wrong password, it will give me 2-3 more attempts before it figures I am not going to get it right. If I enter the correct password it gives me the error I mentioned. I have used directory structure when attempting this too e.g admin@x.x.x.x:/usr/local/mrtg/bin/*.* admin@x.x.x.x:/mrtg Any idea how to resolve this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 6 10:47:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1989.204.220.56.2.1015430364.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1989.204.220.56.2.1015430364.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020306164635.552849142@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> I had this problem too for a while. It seems to be a permissions error in /dev with the ttys (depending on how you have them set up). My suggestion is to do the scp as root, which *should* have write access to the ttys. Of course this is only a workaround, and does not fix the problem, but if you have been rooted, you will be reinstalling anyway. If anyone knows how to solve the problem, I would like to know too, as I have had that pop up once and a whlie. Jay On Wednesday 06 March 2002 09:59 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > Need some advise. > > We had a major attack on one of our servers that I could not seem to stop, > so we brought it down. I had people fromthe newsgroup inform me it had > been rooted. Most of the advise they gave me was over my head (for now). > The log files showed I had stopped things, but according to the nasty email > from major Universities and the Navy it wasn't as stopped as I thought. > > I am in the process of trying to move my mrtg and RT stuff over to another > server. I am using ssh and scp. I would prefer to copy over whole > directories, but so far I can only see how to do files, which worked on a > test, but for some reason I get this error when attempting to use scp: > > scp admin@x.x.x.x:*.* admin@x.x.x.x: > server asks for password to admin@host1 IP > > I enter it, and get the following: > > You have no controlling tty. Cannot read passphrase. > lost connection. > > If I enter the wrong password, it will give me 2-3 more attempts before it > figures I am not going to get it right. > > If I enter the correct password it gives me the error I mentioned. > > I have used directory structure when attempting this too e.g > admin@x.x.x.x:/usr/local/mrtg/bin/*.* admin@x.x.x.x:/mrtg > > Any idea how to resolve this? From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Mar 6 10:56:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] s/key and opie Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76056@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone here use s/key for authentication? I have s/key on my freebsd boxen, and I've installed OPIE on my linux boxes to use the password generator, but the passwords it generates do not seem to work with s/key. Does anyone know if the two implementations are compatible? I couldn't find the source for s/key to compile under linux. Jay From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 6 11:04:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT][OT][OT] "Hitler Abuse" was WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: Bad Lee. Bad! ;-) From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 6 11:11:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020306171013.GA425@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 12:47:48AM -0600, Lee J. Behrens wrote: > Hitler and various assorted Nazis occupied Germany, Actually Hitler won the elections in Germany. > during what could be > described as the beginnings of the modern space age, which eventually lead > to a TCLUG discussion about a picture taken on board a space shuttle six > decades later. ;) Please keep your mouth shut when you don't have anything usefull or funny to say; do troll elsewhere. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore, you may have to additionally specify `.*', but that occasionally also picks up the `..' directory, which can be bad.. Just in case you weren't confused enough already ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ There aren't enough days in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the weekend. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Two options: 1) To get all files in a directory, use scp -r host:/path/to/directory/ /path/to/destination This isn't scp-specific; most utilities recognize either -r or -R to mean 'recursive'. 2) To match all files starting with a dot, but not . or .., use .[^.]* (well, not entirely perfect - this will miss files starting with two dots, but I've never seen one of those in the wild) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 6 18:10:02 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [WD]: XHTML, CSS and image centering In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020306183439.022f3ab0@treevis.com> References: <4024285951.20020307122024@maupuia.com> <1015456803.3031.16.camel@yafa> <4024285951.20020307122024@maupuia.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020306183439.022f3ab0@treevis.com> Message-ID: <1015460518.3033.26.camel@yafa> Thanks for the help and tips. -- Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - We Build Communities From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 6 18:23:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [WD]: XHTML, CSS and image centering In-Reply-To: <1015460518.3033.26.camel@yafa> References: <4024285951.20020307122024@maupuia.com> <1015456803.3031.16.camel@yafa> <4024285951.20020307122024@maupuia.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020306183439.022f3ab0@treevis.com> <1015460518.3033.26.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <1015461309.3032.28.camel@yafa> oops. Wrong list. Apologies. -- Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - We Build Communities From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 6 20:59:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .Xauthority and AFS In-Reply-To: <20011102101817.B2254@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:18:17AM -0600 References: <20011102101817.B2254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011102143809.F5114@real-time.com> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:18:17AM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > I'm trying to move my home directory into AFS. However, when I try > to login to X, I see this error in /var/log/messages: > > Nov 1 15:29:18 lynx gdm[2530]: gdm_auth_user_add: Could not lock cookie file /afs/ahpcrc.org/home/atanner/.Xauthority > > Note: I copied everything from my regular home dir into my home dir > under AFS, including all the . files/directories. > > Anyone else get this to work? OK, I modified permissions on my AFS directory to get past this error. Now I get this error: Nov 2 13:16:34 lynx pam_afs: AFS Couldn't get passwd via prompt Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From KABrowne at taylorcorp.com Wed Mar 6 20:59:39 2002 From: KABrowne at taylorcorp.com (Browne, Kris A. (TC)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSX.1 as a *nix Message-ID: <433329C1B5AED511BD5B00805FE6FDBCC3BDE1@mail.taylorcorp.com> I have been using OSX for about 7 months now, not primarily as a replacement for MacOS, but as a replacement for LinuxPPC as well. Mac OSX is a hybrid *nix, a cross between NeXT/OpenStep (which was in turn derived from BSD 4.1) and FreeBSD. The filesystem layout is derived from the changes that happened for NeXT, making directories easier to setup for netboot and their derivative of NIS, NetInfo. The display system is derived from the NeXTStep Display Postscript model, updated to use PDF instead as a more recent standard. There are some things which that NeXT heritage brings to the table that Apple hasn't fully used yet, like built-in kernel support for clustering, the above-mentioned netboot, and cross-platform binary compatability (under openstep, the same BINARY could run on Sparc, i386, or NeXT68k). FreeBSD brings to the table a better TCP stack, better filesystem compatability, the BSD's most recent stable port of GCC, and a better set of tools all around. I saw somebody posted about Fink, which is definity cool, but since we're all geeks here, I'll confide in you all that the way to go is the Darwin ports collection, a direct port of the BSD ports tree system. It is much more flexible, and gives you access to a LOT more software. You can get all the details at http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net. The guy who maintains it was just profiled by Apple, you can find that on their site.... I hope this sheds some light on the subject... Kris Browne Taylor Corporation Imprinting Group SGI/Unix System Administrator From skodak at cs.umn.edu Wed Mar 6 20:59:58 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About Embedded Linux Message-ID: Hi We are developing a software for a PC-104 based embedded system. The system has a 144MB Disk on Chip and another 32 MB Disk On Chip. RAM- 128 MB. Where can I find a distribution of embedded linux which supports PC-104 and also fits in this constrained disk space. Any documentation on Installing embedded linux on Disk-on-Chip would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. Sree From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Wed Mar 6 22:04:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSX.1 as a *nix In-Reply-To: <433329C1B5AED511BD5B00805FE6FDBCC3BDE1@mail.taylorcorp.com> References: <433329C1B5AED511BD5B00805FE6FDBCC3BDE1@mail.taylorcorp.com> Message-ID: <02030621551602.31455@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> I got a copy of just Darwin about 2 years ago, and used it till I could get a final release of OSX and I loved it.... I also give it a mighty 2 thumbs up... On Friday 02 November 2001 10:55, you wrote: > I have been using OSX for about 7 months now, not primarily as a > replacement for MacOS, but as a replacement for LinuxPPC as well. > > Mac OSX is a hybrid *nix, a cross between NeXT/OpenStep (which was in turn > derived from BSD 4.1) and FreeBSD. The filesystem layout is derived from > the changes that happened for NeXT, making directories easier to setup for > netboot and their derivative of NIS, NetInfo. The display system is > derived from the NeXTStep Display Postscript model, updated to use PDF > instead as a more recent standard. There are some things which that NeXT > heritage brings to the table that Apple hasn't fully used yet, like > built-in kernel support for clustering, the above-mentioned netboot, and > cross-platform binary compatability (under openstep, the same BINARY could > run on Sparc, i386, or NeXT68k). FreeBSD brings to the table a better TCP > stack, better filesystem compatability, the BSD's most recent stable port > of GCC, and a better set of tools all around. > > I saw somebody posted about Fink, which is definity cool, but since we're > all geeks here, I'll confide in you all that the way to go is the Darwin > ports collection, a direct port of the BSD ports tree system. It is much > more flexible, and gives you access to a LOT more software. You can get > all the details at http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net. The guy who > maintains it was just profiled by Apple, you can find that on their > site.... > > I hope this sheds some light on the subject... > > Kris Browne > Taylor Corporation Imprinting Group > SGI/Unix System Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------------ Chris Dresel "Klostrophobik" klostrophobik@homelessIRC.net www.homelessirc.net - With 2 servers in the Twin Cities From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Mar 6 22:05:02 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020305195429.A1728@real-time.com> References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> <20020305195429.A1728@real-time.com> Message-ID: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > > It looks like a nice idea, but it seems rather particular about who it runs as > > and where it's installed. That and it claims my kernel is too big: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1040661 Feb 11 19:57 bzImage-2.4.17 > > > > Does this mean I need to make more things modules? > > well, you'll definitely need to be root to build the images. > as for the size of the kernel; I dunno, I've only started to mess with it. > try building more stuff as modules; or else try the default 2.4.12 kernel > that comes with it and see if it has LVM support. Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's something else to do to the disks to make this work. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 6 22:21:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> <20020305195429.A1728@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020307042021.GC1566@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > >Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I >can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of >space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's >something else to do to the disks to make this work. you need to dd to /dev/fd0u1722 as opposed to plain old /dev/fd0, not all drives support this. Also your images will probably need to be 1722 kb in size (perhaps a bit smaller). A good way to test your drive and disk to make sure you can use this size is to try and fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 if it barfs with I/O Errors you're S.O.L. All of the above _may_ be wrong, but I figured I'd stab at it anyway. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020306/ada427e2/attachment.pgp From dante at plethora.net Wed Mar 6 22:28:13 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About Embedded Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > We are developing a software for a PC-104 based embedded system. The system has > a 144MB Disk on Chip and another 32 MB Disk On Chip. RAM- 128 MB. Where > can I find a distribution of embedded linux which supports PC-104 and also > fits in this constrained disk space. Any documentation on > Installing embedded linux on Disk-on-Chip would be very helpful. > Thanks in advance. > Sree > Whoah, this thing is bigger than my last desktop system. Check the LWN distribution list at http://lwn.net/ I would probably use Slackware a and n series disks for the hardware as described. If you are feeling like digging in deeper start with a rescue disk and build from there. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 6 22:47:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About Embedded Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020307044627.GA448@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:36:29PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > We are developing a software for a PC-104 based embedded system. The system has > a 144MB Disk on Chip and another 32 MB Disk On Chip. RAM- 128 MB. Where > can I find a distribution of embedded linux which supports PC-104 and also > fits in this constrained disk space. Any documentation on > Installing embedded linux on Disk-on-Chip would be very helpful. > Thanks in advance. http://midori.transmeta.com/ florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020306/81d3ac62/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 6 23:32:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? Message-ID: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> Getting a lot of this question, both in irc and mail: Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? As stated in the .msg when you first log in: **WARNING** If I cannot reverse name lookup your host you are going to get dumped into the default class which only allow 1 user. This mirror is for the US and we are restricting it to US domains. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 6 23:44:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600 References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> <20020305195429.A1728@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020306234327.T18746@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I > can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of > space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's > something else to do to the disks to make this work. Before copying the images to diskette, you'll need to format the diskettes as 1.72 MB. The superformat program, typically included as part of the fdutils package, works well for this purpose. Example: # superformat /dev/fd0 sect=21 cyl=83 If it's not already defined on your system, you might need to create a device entry for the 1.72 MB diskette. Example: # mknod /dev/fd0u1743 b 2 76 Once formatted, you can dd your images onto the diskettes. Example: # dd if=xyz.floppy of=/dev/fd0u1743 bs=1024 If you're looking for further information on this topic, the LRP web site page on booting linux for 'higher' density diskettes might be a good starting point: http://master-www.linuxrouter.org:8080/floppy.shtml Joel From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Mar 7 00:05:17 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About Embedded Linux In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:36:29PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020306235453.U18746@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:36:29PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Where can I find a distribution of embedded linux which supports > PC-104 and also fits in this constrained disk space. http://www.linuxdevices.com/directory/Software/ Also of potential interest: http://www.embedded-linux.org/ http://linux-embedded.com/ http://www.redhat.com/embedded/ http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=embedded ... Joel From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Mar 7 01:33:17 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? In-Reply-To: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> References: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020307060923.GF5266@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020306 23:33]: > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? AT&T recently refucked their DNS again. I've tried finding someone Who Cares, but nobody seems to. You get what you pay for I guess. (I get by paying $30/mo for it.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Mar 7 06:25:01 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... Message-ID: > Actually Hitler won the elections in Germany. Yeah, but it didn't take long before the Germans didn't have a choice. But we digress yet again.... (and again.... and again....) > Please keep your mouth shut when you don't have anything usefull or > funny to say; do troll elsewhere. My, but aren't we in a bad mood today. Lee From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 7 07:14:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D597@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:52:33AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D597@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020307071444.I20214@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:52:33AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Epson scanners seem to be the best supported. I bought an Epson Perfection > 1240U awhile back, and I love it. It takes about 10 seconds to scan a full > sheet of paper in full color. Other scanners that I've tried that with take > well over a minute (cough, canon, cough). Absolutely zero problems making > it work on my new system too. I just compiled Sane and Xsane, edited the > epson config file under the sane directory to point to /dev/usb/scanner0, > and loaded the scanner module with: [snip] > > The Epson has sweet quality also, much better than Canon or HP of comparable > resolution/price. Even on windows, the Epson really kicks the crap out of > all other scanners I've tried (and we have a ton floating around at work). > > Jay > I have an excellent scanner I bought in '96-97, it's a Mustek MFS 12000 SP, it supports parallel or SCSI connections, ledger size scanning, i don't recall the resolutions that it supports but they're still higher than all of the tinker toy scanners being sold today (of course, it cost >$300 when i bought it, and that was with a large-ish discount). If you're interested in doing real work quickly, get a quality scanner (preferably SCSI) if you want to play around and scan a few pictures here and there, go for the low-end toys.. [trim your posts!] -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 7 07:22:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List Policy Vote? To "Reply-To" or not to "Reply-To" In-Reply-To: <20020304173232.GB22735@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:32:32AM -0600 References: <20020222054646.GB30062@wookimus.net> <20020222183943.3b6d8aaf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020223102914.B13984@sherohman.org> <20020224201306.B6249@fireopal.org> <20020225064418.GA19481@wookimus.net> <3C7AD921.2050204@haxxed.mine.nu> <20020226085750.A8578@sherohman.org> <20020226092321.F1361@real-time.com> <20020304173232.GB22735@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020307072301.J20214@techmonkeys.org> > 1) Yes > 2) No > 3) I don't care, procmail will fix all 3 =) > > I recently saw another list "convert" to Reply-To munging because the > developers were getting tired of cross-posters and inattentive list > users abusing the Cc: and To: headers, thusly receiving multiple copies > of the same email. Some day people will find those things called manual pages.. :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache Hey mom! No more dupes. > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Mar 7 07:35:01 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? In-Reply-To: <20020307060923.GF5266@ringworld.org> References: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> <20020307060923.GF5266@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Bob Tanner [020306 23:33]: > > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? > > AT&T recently refucked their DNS again. I've tried finding someone Who > Cares, but nobody seems to. You get what you pay for I guess. (I get by > paying $30/mo for it.) Mine seems fine, although I have had problems in the past. When I went through their tech support I was told that reverse lookups were unsupported. I highly encourage you to send them a letter of complaint, it needs to be snail mail though. Apparently it needs to be explained to someone at AT&T that reverse lookups are a basic security feature of the internet. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Mar 7 08:01:23 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? In-Reply-To: <20020307042021.GC1566@sistina.com> References: <20020305141621.Z4698@real-time.com> <20020305144504.E24402@real-time.com> <20020305195429.A1728@real-time.com> <20020307042021.GC1566@sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens writes: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > >Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I > >can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of > >space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's > >something else to do to the disks to make this work. > > you need to dd to /dev/fd0u1722 as opposed to plain old /dev/fd0, not all > drives support this. Also your images will probably need to be 1722 kb in size > (perhaps a bit smaller). A good way to test your drive and disk to make > sure you can use this size is to try and fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 if it barfs > with I/O Errors you're S.O.L. The fdformat on /dev/fd0u1722 seems to have fixed it. Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 7 08:40:02 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020307143930.GB448@iucha.net> > > Please keep your mouth shut when you don't have anything usefull or > > funny to say; do troll elsewhere. > > My, but aren't we in a bad mood today. No, I am was not in a bad mood. It's just that random Hitler references in order to simulate the application of Godwin's Law are completely silly and way more off-topic that the thread they intend to kill. (I say "simulate" because Godwin's law doesn't force Hitler as a EOT: go back and read it.) And b) the message thread hat OT so you can safely delete if it hurts your eyes and wastes your time. And on the third hand, it started with networking aboard the space station and drifted on to generar space age tech, which is almost as ontopic to a Linux geet mailing list as questions about samba/mailman/exim (They just happen to run on Linux and we assume the poster tried to make them work on Linux). florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020307143930.GB448@iucha.net> References: <20020307143930.GB448@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1015520617.1670.2.camel@yafa> Actually Florin I am trying to install exim on Microsoft Windows XP Professional. It has a mouse, a background and Netscape, so it should be just like Linux 7.2 right? -- Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - We Build Communities From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 7 11:08:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssl in virtualhosts In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76088@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76088@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thursday 07 March 2002 10:44 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > I read somewhere that it's not possible with apache to use SSL with name > based VirtualHosts. It's because the SSL connection gets established > before the http request goes across, so it won't know what certificate > to give you. last i checked that is not true, i installed apache and mod_ssl from source and if everything goes ok it should create a sample ssl enabled virtual host for you, let me know off-list if you want my httpd.conf -munir From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Mar 7 11:27:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix 2 open edition Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can download Kylix 2 open edition other than Borland? Their site forces me to open an account and take a survey. I don't like that in the frst place, but then their form won't work correctly. I don't know if it's just a mozilla problem or if the form is really broken. Anyway, I just want a copy of some free software and the company that's giving it away isn't giving it to me. Can anyone point me to a copy of it? Thanks -Brian From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 7 11:33:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix 2 open edition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020307173224.GC448@iucha.net> On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:26:22AM -0600, Brian wrote: > Does anyone know where I can download Kylix 2 open edition other than > Borland? Their site forces me to open an account and take a survey. I > don't like that in the frst place, but then their form won't work > correctly. I don't know if it's just a mozilla problem or if the form is > really broken. Anyway, I just want a copy of some free software and the > company that's giving it away isn't giving it to me. Can anyone point me > to a copy of it? 1. Kylix2 is not free software. Borland isn't giving it away for free (they ask for all that information in exchange...). 2. Even if you get it, when you install it it asks for a serial number. That serial number you get by navigating all the hoops on Borland's site. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020307/c67ad42d/attachment.pgp From kelly-black at mediaone.net Thu Mar 7 12:15:15 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH local root exploit Message-ID: <02030712092000.20403@edith> Crap: Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... More info here: http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt Patch-em if ya got em! Looks like it includes up to v3.0.2 Kelly Black KB0GBJ From kelly-black at mediaone.net Thu Mar 7 12:17:01 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OpenSSH local root exploit In-Reply-To: <02030712092000.20403@edith> References: <02030712092000.20403@edith> Message-ID: <02030712113101.20403@edith> Oh, yeah. Don't forget to HUP! (I always forget to hup sshd to get the new version, but this time I thought I would pass this info on.) Kelly On Thursday 07 March 2002 12:09, Kelly Black wrote: > Crap: > Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... > More info here: > http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt > > Patch-em if ya got em! > Looks like it includes up to v3.0.2 > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Mar 7 12:24:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH local root exploit In-Reply-To: <02030712092000.20403@edith> References: <02030712092000.20403@edith> Message-ID: <20020307122327.147b1cd9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Kelly Black wrote: > > Crap: > Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... > More info here: > http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt If the hole is also remotely-exploitable, ignore me, but I think most folks can just `chmod -s /usr/bin/ssh' (removing the Set-UID flag) without patching.. Of course, that's only a stop-gap solution. SSH works fine without the Set-UID flag set, though I think you can't do ssh RSA/DSA public key authentication (but that might no longer be the case). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm writing an unauthorized / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ autobiography. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020307/a030323d/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Mar 7 12:30:24 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? In-Reply-To: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> References: <20020306233157.I22223@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Getting a lot of this question, both in irc and mail: > > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? > > As stated in the .msg when you first log in: > > **WARNING** If I cannot reverse name lookup your host you are going to get > dumped into the default class which only allow 1 user. This mirror is for the > US and we are restricting it to US domains. And even though my IPs reverse-lookup to my own domain name, you're correctly figuring out that I'm in the US and allowing me into the "good" class. Thanks for doing a good job! -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Mar 7 12:49:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH local root exploit Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76093@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This also affects sshd though, doesn't it? Don't both executables make use of the channels.c code? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OpenSSH local root exploit > > > Kelly Black wrote: > > > > Crap: > > Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... > > More info here: > > http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt > > If the hole is also remotely-exploitable, ignore me, but I think most > folks can just `chmod -s /usr/bin/ssh' (removing the Set-UID > flag) without > patching.. Of course, that's only a stop-gap solution. > > SSH works fine without the Set-UID flag set, though I think > you can't do > ssh RSA/DSA public key authentication (but that might no longer be the > case). > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm writing an > unauthorized > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ autobiography. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Mar 7 12:57:01 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Message: 15 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:26:22AM -0600, Brian wrote: > Does anyone know where I can download Kylix 2 open edition other than > Borland? Their site forces me to open an account and take a survey. I > don't like that in the frst place, but then their form won't work > correctly. I don't know if it's just a mozilla problem or if the form is > really broken. Anyway, I just want a copy of some free software and the > company that's giving it away isn't giving it to me. Can anyone point me > to a copy of it? It's probably Mozilla. I recently hopped through the hoops myself with other browsers, and the forms worked fine. It could have also been a temporary glitch. Try again and see what happens. Go ahead and create the account.... they don't require for too much beyond a username, password, and e-mail address. In return you get access various other goodies on both their main and community sites. I agree the survey is a bit much, especially when you have to answer it over and over and over again. (I've got multiple products.) It's not like my answers are going to change during the time it takes to download a file. (BTW, the developers know the surveys are a pain, but marketing is resisting.) If all else fails call up install support. Lee From silwenae at silwenae.com Thu Mar 7 13:00:02 2002 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Silwenae) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2020 - 17 msgs References: <200203071818.g27II4006276@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <003701c1c60a$21a13470$846f5ea8@bestbuy.com> Are you leaving Mychael on Stormhammer or is he coming back to Ayonae Ro? I might be leading a Nagafen raid sometime in the near future. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2020 - 17 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? (Bob Tanner) > 2. Re: LVM bootdisk? (Joel Schneider) > 3. Re: About Embedded Linux (Joel Schneider) > 4. Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? (Scott Dier) > 5. Re: WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... (Lee J. Behrens) > 6. Re: Scanners (Matthew S. Hallacy) > 7. Re: List Policy Vote? To "Reply-To" or not to "Reply-To" (Matthew S. Hallacy) > 8. Re: Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? (Jon Schewe) > 9. Re: LVM bootdisk? (Jon Schewe) > 10. Re: WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... (Florin Iucha) > 11. ssl in virtualhosts (Austad, Jay) > 12. Re: WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... (Samir M. Nassar) > 13. Re: ssl in virtualhosts (Munir Nassar) > 14. Kylix 2 open edition (Brian) > 15. Re: Kylix 2 open edition (Florin Iucha) > 16. OpenSSH local root exploit (Kelly Black) > 17. Re: OpenSSH local root exploit (Kelly Black) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:31:57 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Getting a lot of this question, both in irc and mail: > > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? > > As stated in the .msg when you first log in: > > **WARNING** If I cannot reverse name lookup your host you are going to get > dumped into the default class which only allow 1 user. This mirror is for the > US and we are restricting it to US domains. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:43:27 -0600 > From: Joel Schneider > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I > > can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of > > space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's > > something else to do to the disks to make this work. > > Before copying the images to diskette, you'll need to format the > diskettes as 1.72 MB. The superformat program, typically included as > part of the fdutils package, works well for this purpose. Example: > > # superformat /dev/fd0 sect=21 cyl=83 > > If it's not already defined on your system, you might need to create a > device entry for the 1.72 MB diskette. Example: > > # mknod /dev/fd0u1743 b 2 76 > > Once formatted, you can dd your images onto the diskettes. Example: > > # dd if=xyz.floppy of=/dev/fd0u1743 bs=1024 > > If you're looking for further information on this topic, the LRP web > site page on booting linux for 'higher' density diskettes might be a > good starting point: > > http://master-www.linuxrouter.org:8080/floppy.shtml > > Joel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:54:53 -0600 > From: Joel Schneider > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] About Embedded Linux > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:36:29PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > Where can I find a distribution of embedded linux which supports > > PC-104 and also fits in this constrained disk space. > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/directory/Software/ > > Also of potential interest: > > http://www.embedded-linux.org/ > http://linux-embedded.com/ > http://www.redhat.com/embedded/ > http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=embedded > ... > > Joel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:09:23 -0600 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > * Bob Tanner [020306 23:33]: > > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? > > AT&T recently refucked their DNS again. I've tried finding someone Who > Cares, but nobody seems to. You get what you pay for I guess. (I get by > paying $30/mo for it.) > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Lee J. Behrens" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:21:10 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Actually Hitler won the elections in Germany. > > Yeah, but it didn't take long before the Germans didn't have a choice. But > we digress yet again.... (and again.... and again....) > > > Please keep your mouth shut when you don't have anything usefull or > > funny to say; do troll elsewhere. > > My, but aren't we in a bad mood today. > > Lee > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:14:44 -0600 > From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Scanners > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:52:33AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Epson scanners seem to be the best supported. I bought an Epson Perfection > > 1240U awhile back, and I love it. It takes about 10 seconds to scan a full > > sheet of paper in full color. Other scanners that I've tried that with take > > well over a minute (cough, canon, cough). Absolutely zero problems making > > it work on my new system too. I just compiled Sane and Xsane, edited the > > epson config file under the sane directory to point to /dev/usb/scanner0, > > and loaded the scanner module with: > > [snip] > > > > The Epson has sweet quality also, much better than Canon or HP of comparable > > resolution/price. Even on windows, the Epson really kicks the crap out of > > all other scanners I've tried (and we have a ton floating around at work). > > > > Jay > > > > I have an excellent scanner I bought in '96-97, it's a Mustek MFS 12000 SP, > it supports parallel or SCSI connections, ledger size scanning, i don't recall > the resolutions that it supports but they're still higher than all of the > tinker toy scanners being sold today (of course, it cost >$300 when i bought > it, and that was with a large-ish discount). If you're interested in doing real > work quickly, get a quality scanner (preferably SCSI) if you want to play > around and scan a few pictures here and there, go for the low-end toys.. > > [trim your posts!] > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:23:01 -0600 > From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] List Policy Vote? To "Reply-To" or not to "Reply-To" > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > 1) Yes > > 2) No > > 3) I don't care, procmail will fix all > > 3 =) > > > > > I recently saw another list "convert" to Reply-To munging because the > > developers were getting tired of cross-posters and inattentive list > > users abusing the Cc: and To: headers, thusly receiving multiple copies > > of the same email. > > Some day people will find those things called manual pages.. > > :0 Wh: msgid.lock > | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache > > > Hey mom! No more dupes. > > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: FAQ: Why can't I get into ftp.mn-linux.org? > From: Jon Schewe > Date: 07 Mar 2002 07:34:48 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Scott Dier writes: > > > * Bob Tanner [020306 23:33]: > > > Why do I get 'Too many users in your class, please try again later.' when I try > > > to connection to ftp.mn-linux.org? > > > > AT&T recently refucked their DNS again. I've tried finding someone Who > > Cares, but nobody seems to. You get what you pay for I guess. (I get by > > paying $30/mo for it.) > > Mine seems fine, although I have had problems in the past. When I went > through their tech support I was told that reverse lookups were unsupported. > I highly encourage you to send them a letter of complaint, it needs to be > snail mail though. Apparently it needs to be explained to someone at AT&T > that reverse lookups are a basic security feature of the internet. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] LVM bootdisk? > From: Jon Schewe > Date: 07 Mar 2002 08:00:38 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Ben Lutgens writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > >Well I got it shrunk down so mindi built me some disks, 4 to be exact. Now I > > >can't write them. They're 1.72MB and my drive keeps on telling me it's out of > > >space when I try and write them using dd. I can't remember if there's > > >something else to do to the disks to make this work. > > > > you need to dd to /dev/fd0u1722 as opposed to plain old /dev/fd0, not all > > drives support this. Also your images will probably need to be 1722 kb in size > > (perhaps a bit smaller). A good way to test your drive and disk to make > > sure you can use this size is to try and fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 if it barfs > > with I/O Errors you're S.O.L. > > The fdformat on /dev/fd0u1722 seems to have fixed it. Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:39:30 -0600 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... > From: florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Please keep your mouth shut when you don't have anything usefull or > > > funny to say; do troll elsewhere. > >=20 > > My, but aren't we in a bad mood today. > > No, I am was not in a bad mood. It's just that random Hitler references=20 > in order to simulate the application of Godwin's Law are completely > silly and way more off-topic that the thread they intend to kill. > (I say "simulate" because Godwin's law doesn't force Hitler as a EOT: go > back and read it.) > > And b) the message thread hat OT so you can safely delete if it hurts > your eyes and wastes your time. > > And on the third hand, it started with networking aboard the space > station and drifted on to generar space age tech, which is almost as > ontopic to a Linux geet mailing list as questions about > samba/mailman/exim (They just happen to run on Linux and we assume the > poster tried to make them work on Linux). > > florin > > --=20 > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8h3uiNLPgdTuQ3+QRAr1OAJ9NvmcPbwwZSe4Ds6HzHAzupqeAMQCghXay > QHr4iJ5Ts0dzfYJ/Ovdngpo= > =jE3G > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:44:00 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] ssl in virtualhosts > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I read somewhere that it's not possible with apache to use SSL with name > based VirtualHosts. It's because the SSL connection gets established before > the http request goes across, so it won't know what certificate to give you. > > > Is this still true? Are there any workarounds? I don't really wanna have > to use up a different IP for each virtual host if I don't have to. > > Jay > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WAY-OT - A pic from NASA... > From: "Samir M. Nassar" > To: Twin Cities LUG > Date: 07 Mar 2002 11:02:53 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Actually Florin I am trying to install exim on Microsoft Windows XP > Professional. > > It has a mouse, a background and Netscape, so it should be just like > Linux 7.2 right? > > -- > Samir M. Nassar > RedConcepts.NET - We Build Communities > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > From: Munir Nassar > Organization: RedConcepts.NET > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ssl in virtualhosts > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:15:00 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Thursday 07 March 2002 10:44 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I read somewhere that it's not possible with apache to use SSL with name > > based VirtualHosts. It's because the SSL connection gets established > > before the http request goes across, so it won't know what certificate > > to give you. > > last i checked that is not true, i installed apache and mod_ssl from > source and if everything goes ok it should create a sample ssl enabled > virtual host for you, > > let me know off-list if you want my httpd.conf > > -munir > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:26:22 -0600 (CST) > From: Brian > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix 2 open edition > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Does anyone know where I can download Kylix 2 open edition other than > Borland? Their site forces me to open an account and take a survey. I > don't like that in the frst place, but then their form won't work > correctly. I don't know if it's just a mozilla problem or if the form is > really broken. Anyway, I just want a copy of some free software and the > company that's giving it away isn't giving it to me. Can anyone point me > to a copy of it? > > Thanks > > -Brian > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:32:24 -0600 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix 2 open edition > From: florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:26:22AM -0600, Brian wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can download Kylix 2 open edition other than > > Borland? Their site forces me to open an account and take a survey. I > > don't like that in the frst place, but then their form won't work > > correctly. I don't know if it's just a mozilla problem or if the form is > > really broken. Anyway, I just want a copy of some free software and the > > company that's giving it away isn't giving it to me. Can anyone point me > > to a copy of it? > > 1. Kylix2 is not free software. Borland isn't giving it away for free > (they ask for all that information in exchange...). > > 2. Even if you get it, when you install it it asks for a serial number. > That serial number you get by navigating all the hoops on Borland's > site. > > Cheers, > florin > > --=20 > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74 > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8h6QoNLPgdTuQ3+QRAgAlAJ9/UglKxxkDevI4K1sxaRC1eajs2wCfUEvB > f+xg3yJ95vIFZXwmsPZcAwE= > =QUq3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > From: Kelly Black > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:09:20 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH local root exploit > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Crap: > Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... > More info here: > http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt > > Patch-em if ya got em! > Looks like it includes up to v3.0.2 > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > From: Kelly Black > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:11:31 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OpenSSH local root exploit > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Oh, yeah. Don't forget to HUP! > (I always forget to hup sshd to get the new version, but this time > I thought I would pass this info on.) > > Kelly > > On Thursday 07 March 2002 12:09, Kelly Black wrote: > > Crap: > > Local root hole. Could be more remote, but untested... > > More info here: > > http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020301.txt > > > > Patch-em if ya got em! > > Looks like it includes up to v3.0.2 > > > > Kelly Black > > KB0GBJ > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 7 14:43:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2020 - 17 msgs In-Reply-To: <003701c1c60a$21a13470$846f5ea8@bestbuy.com> References: <200203071818.g27II4006276@sprite.real-time.com> <003701c1c60a$21a13470$846f5ea8@bestbuy.com> Message-ID: On Thursday 07 March 2002 12:58 pm, Silwenae wrote: > Are you leaving Mychael on Stormhammer or is he coming back to Ayonae > Ro? > > I might be leading a Nagafen raid sometime in the near future. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? -munir PS. Please trim your posts From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 7 15:36:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OpenSSH local root exploit In-Reply-To: <02030712113101.20403@edith> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > Oh, yeah. Don't forget to HUP! (I always forget to hup sshd to get > the new version, but this time I thought I would pass this info on.) Actually, need to restart it.. a hup won't quite do it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 7 15:37:07 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssl in virtualhosts In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76088@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > I read somewhere that it's not possible with apache to use SSL with > name based VirtualHosts. It's because the SSL connection gets > established before the http request goes across, so it won't know what > certificate to give you. > > Is this still true? Are there any workarounds? I don't really wanna have > to use up a different IP for each virtual host if I don't have to. Still true. Will always be true. You can use TLS, but it's not that well supported yet.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 7 17:03:23 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST Message-ID: <20020307142711.O5052@real-time.com> ftp.mn-linux.org will be offline starting March 8, 2002 at 1400 CST until March 11, 2002 at 0700 CST. We will be replacing gladiator and it's 190Gb drives with a new box and 1.28Tb(!) of disk space. We'll take lots of pictures and document the process of using RAID, LVM, etc. Along with what hardware we choose. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 7 17:10:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] baseline kickstart beta Message-ID: <20020307170947.D2972@real-time.com> In the spirit of open source, release soon, release often, I have a beta of the baseline that I'd like to use for our 7.2 open source solutions. Make sure you check out the kickstart project from cvs. Quick HOWTO. Lots of documentation needs to be written. dd if=kickstart.img of=/dev/fd0 Put that floppy into a box, power it on. Go read slashdot for about 15mins. Log in as root, password is root1234 # rte-postconfig That's it! This is just a baseline, which we can build firewall, mailserver, sambaserver, etc... Find a bug? Check out http://bugzilla.castle.real-time.com. Thanks. Make sure you check out Rick's handy work on the grub splash screen. :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 7 17:29:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] baseline kickstart beta In-Reply-To: <20020307170947.D2972@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:09:47PM -0600 References: <20020307170947.D2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020307172907.G2972@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > In the spirit of open source, release soon, release often, I have a beta of > the baseline that I'd like to use for our 7.2 open source solutions. Damn! Fat finger! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From leif at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 7 21:52:24 2002 From: leif at mn.rr.com (Leif Hvidsten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New nVidia video card drivers Message-ID: For any nVidia mongrels out there, new Linux drivers have just been released with anisotropic filtering support. http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=linux Leif Hvidsten PGP ID: 0x3626E2CD Key Fingerprint: 21C2 286E 8FAF 25D1 9356 923A 0D05 6DE8 3626 E2CD From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 7 21:59:00 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New nVidia video card drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020308035827.GA3389@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 09:33:37PM -0600, Leif Hvidsten wrote: >For any nVidia mongrels out there, new Linux drivers have just been released >with anisotropic filtering support. 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I don't really wanna have > to use up a different IP for each virtual host if I don't have to. > > Jay Very true, very correct. One cert per IP based vhost. Jason From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Mar 7 22:41:01 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Message: 15 -supposed-to-be-> Re: Kylix 2 open edition Message-ID: My previous post with subject "Message: 15" was supposed to have the subject "Re: Kylix 2 open edition". I receive the list in digest form and inadvertently copy-pasted the wrong text to the subject. My apologies to anyone I confused. Lee From list at slushpupie.com Thu Mar 7 22:42:02 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New nVidia video card drivers In-Reply-To: <20020308035827.GA3389@sistina.com> References: <20020308035827.GA3389@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020308044253.DDC2760305@friday.localdomain.fake> On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:58 pm, you wrote: > O.k. i'll bite, wtf is anus-o-tropic filtering? isotropic maping is is using the same scale on the x and y coordinates anisotropic is using the same range on both x and y scales, even if the physical scale is different. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Mar 8 10:00:01 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <20020307142711.O5052@real-time.com> References: <20020307142711.O5052@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1015599741.1696.10.camel@money> > We will be replacing gladiator and it's 190Gb drives with a new box and > 1.28Tb(!) of disk space. > ooohhhh. very nice. > We'll take lots of pictures and document the process of using RAID, LVM, etc. > Along with what hardware we choose. > sounds good to me. thanks for supporting the lug again bob. From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Fri Mar 8 10:02:01 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] printer reported as busy Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3EF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have an Epson 820 connected to a computer. This computer is running samba and cups and is connected to a network so the printer is shared. I have another computer running Redhat and cups and it is able to print to the printer. When I try to print from a windows machine connected to the network it comes back as saying the printer is offline. I believe that cups has its own server on the host machine and that it talks with cups on the Redhat machine. The windows machine has to use samba and somehow samba is not communicating with cups. I have looked at the cups docs and saw were I had to set change two lines in the [printers] section. I did that and it didn't work. I am writing from work so I don't have access to the smbd.conf file to post the printer section. Does anyone have had similar experience with samba, cups, and windows? Thanks John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 10:44:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <1015599741.1696.10.camel@money> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 2002, duncan wrote: > > We will be replacing gladiator and it's 190Gb drives with a new box > > and > 1.28Tb(!) of disk space. > > ooohhhh. very nice. actually, bob used 'bob math' for those numbers. :P right now, we have a total of 200gb in there. we have a 20gb boot disk, and 4 45gb disks in a striped software array. we're going to change it to a setup where we have the 20gb boot disk, the 4 45gb disks in a hardware RAID5 array (promise controller), and 6 new 160gb disks in a RAID5 array (on a separate promise controller). so, total disk = 20+(4*45)+(6*160) == 1.16tb. We'll be doing raid, of course, so total system usable disk will be 20+(3*45)+(5*160), or 995gb. And, of that 995 gb, the 20gb disk won't be used for data storage, so we get 975gb for data. Still a lot of space. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 8 10:58:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > And, of that 995 gb, the 20gb disk won't be used for data storage, so we > get 975gb for data. > Still a lot of space. :) Yes, but you still have to express it in terms of GB. 975 GB sounds big, but 1 TB sounds astronomically bigger. And why a 20 GB boot drive? -Brian From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Mar 8 11:02:01 2002 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. References: <3C857FA3.10902@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <3C88EDEB.49B03FE5@structural-wood.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Anyone noticed Mozilla's tendancy to use fonts way too big on some sites > (www.redhat.com, and www.theregister.co.uk in particular is really > freaking big) and way too damn small on others (www.penny-arcade.com)? > > It seems to have something to do with CSS. Anyone know of a trick to fix > this? NS4 had a fontscale resource you could tweak, but I can't find > anything on doing such a thing on mozilla... > > Tweaking the text zoom all the time gets annoying. > This isn't really a solution, but it's my favorite thing about mozilla, so... You can bind a mouse scroll wheel with a modifier to a number of operations. I've got the scrollwheel + shift key bound to the text zoom function. It's incredibly convenient, and I'm constantly changing text size to whatever is most comfortable for me. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 11:05:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Brian wrote: > > And, of that 995 gb, the 20gb disk won't be used for data storage, > > so we get 975gb for data. Still a lot of space. :) > > Yes, but you still have to express it in terms of GB. 975 GB sounds big, > but 1 TB sounds astronomically bigger. And why a 20 GB boot drive? True.. we could call it .98tb :) 20gb boot drive, because it was the smallest we could buy at the time we built the original gladiator. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 11:07:25 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. In-Reply-To: <3C88EDEB.49B03FE5@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Kent Schumacher wrote: > This isn't really a solution, but it's my favorite thing about > mozilla, so... > > You can bind a mouse scroll wheel with a modifier to a number of > operations. I've got the scrollwheel + shift key bound to the text > zoom function. It's incredibly convenient, and I'm constantly > changing text size to whatever is most comfortable for me. Hmm.. is there a way you can set it up so without a modifer, it'll scroll up and down, but with one, it'll change text size? Haven't been able to get that to work. :)( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 8 11:12:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:57:29AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020308111131.B2263@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:57:29AM -0600, Brian wrote: > And why a 20 GB boot drive? Probably because they couldn't buy anything smaller (says the guy who's in the process of replacing a Pentium 100MHz, 4.5G disk, 96M RAM server whose load average tends to run around 0.05 or so with an Athlon 900MHz, 40G disk, 256M RAM system for precisely that reason). -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 8 11:16:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. In-Reply-To: <3C88EDEB.49B03FE5@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:59:23AM -0600 References: <3C857FA3.10902@haxxed.mine.nu> <3C88EDEB.49B03FE5@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20020308111653.K20214@techmonkeys.org> > You can bind a mouse scroll wheel with a modifier to a number of operations. > I've got the scrollwheel + shift key bound to the text zoom function. It's > incredibly convenient, and I'm constantly changing text size to whatever is > most comfortable for me. CTRL + '+' and CTRL + '-' work by default, saves me the trouble of reaching over for the mouse =p -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Fri Mar 8 11:20:03 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] printer reported as busy Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A3F1@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> My apologies for missing the reply and posting the same question again. Active Directory (on it's on accord) decided to delete the users here at work so the e-mail system was down for the day. I don't believe I ever received the reply. John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:47 AM To: Miller, John Subject: Re: [TCLUG] printer reported as busy Hello John: Rodd Ahrenstorff posted a reply to one of your earlier (identical) postings. Why don't you read what he wrote, and respond to it, instead of posting the same question to the list? You may also want to post an apology to possibly avoid being killfiled. Regards, John On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:00:16AM -0600, Miller, John wrote: > I have an Epson 820 connected to a computer. This computer is running samba and cups and is connected to a network so the printer is shared. I have another computer running Redhat and cups and it is able to print to the printer. When I try to print from a windows machine connected to the network it comes back as saying the printer is offline. > > I believe that cups has its own server on the host machine and that it talks with cups on the Redhat machine. The windows machine has to use samba and somehow samba is not communicating with cups. I have looked at the cups docs and saw were I had to set change two lines in the [printers] section. I did that and it didn't work. > > I am writing from work so I don't have access to the smbd.conf file to post the printer section. > > Does anyone have had similar experience with samba, cups, and windows? > > Thanks > > John Miller > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > Mail Stop: T23 > MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 11:31:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <20020308111131.B2263@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Probably because they couldn't buy anything smaller (says the guy > who's in the process of replacing a Pentium 100MHz, 4.5G disk, 96M RAM > server whose load average tends to run around 0.05 or so with an > Athlon 900MHz, 40G disk, 256M RAM system for precisely that reason). You got it :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 11:31:28 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. In-Reply-To: <20020308111653.K20214@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > CTRL + '+' and CTRL + '-' work by default, saves me the trouble of reaching > over for the mouse =p dude, you rock! i should learn to rtfm :) thanks! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 16:55:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <20020307142711.O5052@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > ftp.mn-linux.org will be offline starting March 8, 2002 at 1400 CST until March > 11, 2002 at 0700 CST. > > We will be replacing gladiator and it's 190Gb drives with a new box and > 1.28Tb(!) of disk space. > > We'll take lots of pictures and document the process of using RAID, LVM, etc. > Along with what hardware we choose. > > Thanks. Gladiator is mkfs'ing away.. it's really cool to wait for a 700+gb partition to mkfs :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 8 18:32:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers Message-ID: Not exactly Linux related, but has to do with the new Gladiator. :) Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about LED's to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, or if that'll short something out. I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the beautiful case! (It came with a blue power led! COOL!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mbrowne at attbi.com Fri Mar 8 18:49:01 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers References: Message-ID: <000401c1c704$86769700$1e02a8c0@zippy> Direct hook-up? No! More than likely you will fry whatever is driving the LEDs Cobble something up with diodes or other circuitry? Possible. Let me know off list if you wish to follow through with the futzing around. mbrowne@attbi.com Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers Not exactly Linux related, but has to do with the new Gladiator. :) Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about LED's to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, or if that'll short something out. I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the beautiful case! (It came with a blue power led! COOL!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 8 21:19:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Friday 08 March 2002 06:31 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > Not exactly Linux related, but has to do with the new Gladiator. :) and what on this list is??? > > Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE > controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one > single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about > LED's to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, > or if that'll short something out. these LEDs are very low voltage and if you did that it would probably not really hurt, but i thought that if you used the HD LED connector that most mobos have you should get the activity of all drives on it > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > beautiful case! (It came with a blue power led! COOL!) pictures please? -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 8 21:19:42 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Friday 08 March 2002 04:54 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > Gladiator is mkfs'ing away.. it's really cool to wait for a 700+gb > partition to mkfs :) what filesystem? -munir From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 8 22:30:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Huge and small fonts in Mozilla. In-Reply-To: <3C857FA3.10902@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <3C857FA3.10902@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20020308223000.22da5600.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > It seems to have something to do with CSS. Anyone know of a trick to fix > this? NS4 had a fontscale resource you could tweak, but I can't find > anything on doing such a thing on mozilla... Yeah, I like to blame web designers who want to used specific font sizes, rather than just saying `big,' `bigger,' `small,' or `smaller.' An 8-pixel font on a 640x480 screen is great, but it's not so nice on my 14.1" 1600x1200 display on my laptop (140 dpi! woo!) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A lot of people are afraid / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ of heights. Not me, I'm \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) afraid of widths. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020308/4ac9c432/attachment.pgp From erik at ehanson.net Fri Mar 8 22:53:01 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: References: <1015599741.1696.10.camel@money> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020308225134.00abb088@ehanson.net> So when do we get to hear about the rest of the machine? -Erik At 10:44 AM 3/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On 8 Mar 2002, duncan wrote: > > > We will be replacing gladiator and it's 190Gb drives with a new box > > > and > 1.28Tb(!) of disk space. > > > > ooohhhh. very nice. > >actually, bob used 'bob math' for those numbers. :P > >right now, we have a total of 200gb in there. we have a 20gb boot disk, >and 4 45gb disks in a striped software array. > >we're going to change it to a setup where we have the 20gb boot disk, the >4 45gb disks in a hardware RAID5 array (promise controller), and 6 new >160gb disks in a RAID5 array (on a separate promise controller). > >so, total disk = 20+(4*45)+(6*160) == 1.16tb. We'll be doing raid, of >course, so total system usable disk will be 20+(3*45)+(5*160), or 995gb. >And, of that 995 gb, the 20gb disk won't be used for data storage, so we >get 975gb for data. > >Still a lot of space. :) > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbrowne at attbi.com Fri Mar 8 23:35:01 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? References: Message-ID: <000401c1c72c$78070920$1e02a8c0@zippy> I am trying to put Mandrake on my Sparcstaion 5. Can anyone point me to a list of what SCSI hard drives are compatible with this hardware? Thanks Mark Browne From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 9 01:22:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020308225134.00abb088@ehanson.net>; from erik@ehanson.net on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:51:50PM -0600 References: <1015599741.1696.10.camel@money> <5.1.0.14.0.20020308225134.00abb088@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20020309012145.O2972@real-time.com> Quoting Erik Hanson (erik@ehanson.net): > So when do we get to hear about the rest of the machine? > -Erik Lots of pictures, lots of details when it's all done. Right now it's 72Gb out of 156Gb transferred to the new array. Beeing running since like 7pm! (1:20am right now). -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Mar 9 09:51:02 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 09:26:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020309095020.D30461@real-time.com> > > Gladiator is mkfs'ing away.. it's really cool to wait for a 700+gb > > partition to mkfs :) > > what filesystem? ext3. yeah, we all know Reiserfs makes filesystems substantially faster (maybe over twice as fast in some cases); but from the benchmarks I've seen, it's usually a shade slower than ext3 for most general use. (and in any case, most humans aren't likely to notice a difference in the speed of different filesystems.) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From shanson at cruiskeen.com Sat Mar 9 09:58:00 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? References: <000401c1c72c$78070920$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3C8A30E6.8060801@cruiskeen.com> Barring horrific firmware bugs, it shouldn't really matter other than making sure you have the appropriate SCSI interface. I assume you have an internal hard drive and are trying to add one externally? If you're trying to put one in internally almost any SCSA interface drive should work if you have an appropriate mounting bracket for it. Mark Browne wrote: > I am trying to put Mandrake on my Sparcstaion 5. > Can anyone point me to a list of what SCSI hard drives are compatible with > this hardware? > Thanks > > Mark Browne > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dartdist.com Sat Mar 9 09:59:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (jspinti@dartdist.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <20020309095020.D30461@real-time.com> from "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" at Mar 9, 2 09:50:25 am Message-ID: <10203091602.AA17100@dart.dartdist.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 454 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020309/f8340d20/attachment.asc From chrome at real-time.com Sat Mar 9 09:59:29 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? In-Reply-To: <000401c1c72c$78070920$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from mbrowne@attbi.com on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:37:14PM -0600 References: <000401c1c72c$78070920$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20020309095833.E30461@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:37:14PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > I am trying to put Mandrake on my Sparcstaion 5. mandrake has a sparc distro? > Can anyone point me to a list of what SCSI hard drives are compatible with > this hardware? do you have any drives in it right now? what kind of connectors do you have? I've got a bunch of 1GB SCA SCSI drives; 2 of them even including the sparc drive sleds. if your sparc has an SCA rack, I'll happily sell those off (they're no good to me right now, since my sparc 5 has a dead internal SCSI bus). if you have narrow SCSI connectors, any narrow SCSI drive should do (AFAIK). if you don't mind the noise, I've got a 1GB Micropolis drive that came out of a sparc 10. sparcs are a lot more particular about their CD-ROM drives, tho. you need one that will run at a 512-byte blocksize, rather than 2K. I have a Sun CD-ROM drive that I'll happily loan, since I'm not using it right now. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jima at gimp.damnation.net Sat Mar 9 10:28:02 2002 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? In-Reply-To: <000401c1c72c$78070920$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Browne wrote: > I am trying to put Mandrake on my Sparcstaion 5. > Can anyone point me to a list of what SCSI hard drives are compatible with > this hardware? > Thanks If it's anything like the Sparc 4 (oh wait, it's nearly identical), it uses SCA hard drives. Heck, I'll even verify that. Yep. According to http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ss5/ : "On the left side of the machine is room for two, 1-inch-high SCA SCSI Harddrives (stacked ontop of one another), with the SCA connector providing power, SCSIbus, and setting the SCSI ID." The only problems I foresee are sleds (which Carl says he has), and processor speed. (I hope, for your sake, that you don't have the 170MHz model; it's known for problems with Linux.) SCA hard drives aren't particularly difficult to find; I too have a couple of 1-gig's floating around, as well as a 2-gig I just (last night) cycled out of my Sparc 4 (which, unfortunately, can only evidently take one HD). If you're looking for bigger, MPC (http://www.materialsprocessing.com/) has some used SCA drives, some of them rather large. And huh, I don't think I was aware that Mandrake has a Sparc version, either. Jima From clay at fandre.com Sat Mar 9 12:05:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <10203091602.AA17100@dart.dartdist.com> References: <20020309095020.D30461@real-time.com> <10203091602.AA17100@dart.dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20020309180439.GA17242@fandre.com> On Sat, 09 Mar 2002, jspinti@dartdist.com wrote: > > ext3. > > > > yeah, we all know Reiserfs makes filesystems substantially faster (maybe > > over twice as fast in some cases); but from the benchmarks I've seen, it's > > usually a shade slower than ext3 for most general use. > > (and in any case, most humans aren't likely to notice a difference in the > > speed of different filesystems.) > > > > Carl. > > -- > Especially when you are accessing it across and ftp link! > And over a 56k dial-up connection! You could make the filesystem punchcards and I wouldn't notice. :-( -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020309/9a266e94/attachment.pgp From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Mar 9 14:52:01 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? Followup Question References: Message-ID: <002901c1c7ac$977df040$1e02a8c0@zippy> Thanks for all the excellent answers to my rather vague question. The sparc in question is already running Mandrake. As noted below, most sparc distributions will not load on a 170 MHz mainboard. They *will* run if loaded on a slower system and the drives transferred. Go figure. I received it loaded with Redhat, running reasonably well in a server configuration. I must assume it was loaded following this procedure. I have not been able to get SUSE or Redhat loaded directly. I have verified (by doing) that Mandrake will load and run on my 170 MHz SS5. From dutchman at uswest.net Sat Mar 9 16:23:00 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modem Message-ID: <3C8A8AF8.A481DBBE@mn.uswest.net> I am losing my dial-up ISP so I decided to move up the food chain. The only high-speed option I have available in my area is Charter Communication's cable modems. Does anyone use Charter? I would to to talk to you offline about what boxes they use, setting this up under Linux, etc. Thank you, -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Mar 9 17:08:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtualhost problem Message-ID: <42582.204.220.56.6.1015715243.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have set up two virtualhost on an Apache web server. The same default page shows up for both of them unless I specify domainname/index.html on the second domain. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Mar 9 17:20:02 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on Sun sparc - what drives? Followup Question In-Reply-To: <002901c1c7ac$977df040$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from mbrowne@attbi.com on Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 02:54:22PM -0600 References: <002901c1c7ac$977df040$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20020309171919.D6587@real-time.com> > I am rather disappointed with video speeds. > My 333 dual-head Matrox PC is faster. well, yeah. considering that your sparc is probably contemporary with early Pentiums, this is to be expected. :) still, they're fun hardware. wish they made PCs of that quality. :( (SGI tried... and failed. ;| ) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From wilson at isis.visi.com Sat Mar 9 17:57:01 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtualhost problem In-Reply-To: <42582.204.220.56.6.1015715243.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > I have set up two virtualhost on an Apache web server. The same default > page shows up for both of them unless I specify domainname/index.html on > the second domain. Give us more info. IP- or name-based virtual hosts? Can you post the relevent bits of httpd.conf? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Mar 9 19:23:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtualhost problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53469.204.220.56.6.1015723391.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> These are the changes I made from the normal .conf file. It is set up as NameVirtualHost. # # Use name-based virtual hosting. # NameVirtualHost * ..... DocumentRoot /var/www/lctn ServerName lctn.org DocumentRoot /var/www/html ServerName support.lctn.k12.mn.us > On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > >> I have set up two virtualhost on an Apache web server. The same >> default page shows up for both of them unless I specify >> domainname/index.html on the second domain. > > Give us more info. IP- or name-based virtual hosts? Can you post the > relevent bits of httpd.conf? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at droyer.org Sat Mar 9 22:25:01 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtualhost problem In-Reply-To: <53469.204.220.56.6.1015723391.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <53469.204.220.56.6.1015723391.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1015734149.1109.124.camel@merlin> Try changing the * to : in both the VirtualHost tags and the NameVirtualHost line. Dave On Sat, 2002-03-09 at 19:23, admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > These are the changes I made from the normal .conf file. It is set up as > NameVirtualHost. > From wilson at isis.visi.com Sat Mar 9 22:30:02 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtualhost problem In-Reply-To: <1015734149.1109.124.camel@merlin> Message-ID: On 9 Mar 2002, Dave Royer wrote: > Try changing the * to : in both the VirtualHost > tags and the NameVirtualHost line. And make sure if you're in a NAT-ed environment that you use the internal IP address inside the virtual host directives instead of the external IP address. I learned that one the hard way a couple months ago. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sun Mar 10 10:19:01 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Enabling usbdevfs Message-ID: <041dc2315160a32FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> I'm trying to use jphoto to get pictures from my Kodak DX-3600. When I try to run it I get "I/O exception: USB Host support is unavailable." How do I enable usbdevfs? - Jared P.S. Running Mandrake 8.1 with a 2.4.17 kernel. From florin at iucha.net Sun Mar 10 10:42:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Enabling usbdevfs In-Reply-To: <041dc2315160a32FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> References: <041dc2315160a32FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020310164140.GA464@iucha.net> On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 04:17:57AM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > I'm trying to use jphoto to get pictures from my Kodak DX-3600. When I try to > run it I get "I/O exception: USB Host support is unavailable." > > How do I enable usbdevfs? Recompile the kernel and in "USB Support" menu check Preliminary USB device filesystem If you have debian, usbmgr will mount /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) otherwise, do it manually or in /etc/fstab Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On October 28, 1998, following its passage in the Senate and House of Representatives earlier that month, President Bill Clinton signed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the act established a new principal that the owners of sound recording copyrights (i.e., record companies) are entitled to compensation when their works are performed on Internet radio. Under current U.S. copyright law, broadcast radio stations pay royalties to the composers of the songs they play, but not to artists or record companies. For broadcast radio, Congress has always assumed that the promotional value of the airplay was sufficient compensation to those parties. DMCAs rationale for granting performance royalties in the digital world was based on the concept that digital copies are perfect copies and thus the sales of CDs (called "phonorecords" in the act) might be at risk in this new digital millennium. Most Webcasters had hoped that the CARP's recommended royalty rate would be based on a percentage of revenues somewhere between the 15% of revenues that the RIAA had been asking of Webcasters and the 3% that Webcasters had proposed (which would be more in line with their ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC royalties to composers). On February 20, 2002, however, the CARP arbitrators issued their recommendation .14? per song per listener for Internet-only webcasters, .07? per song per listener for broadcast radio simulcasts, and .02? per song per listener for non-commercial radio simulcasts. According to the folks at http://www.saveinternetradio.org , a site set up last week by Kurt Hanson, editor of the Radio and Internet Newsletter (http://www.kurthanson.com ), for a mid-sized independent webcaster (e.g., two or three people working out of a home office or dorm room) that has had, say, an average audience of 1,000 listeners for the past three years, the bill for retroactive royalties -- which will come due sometime early this summer if the CARP rate recommendation is approved -- would be $525,600! The reporting requirements are a related, and equally serious problem. Webcasters would be required to report 17 pieces of information on each listener to each song, with an additional 8 pieces of information on each visitor to the site. There is currently no software available that would collect that information, so the reporting requirements alone could shut down Internet radio even if there were no fees involved. Meanwhile, the subscription services set up by the record companies are completely exempt from the new royalties and reporting requirements. Rather than rehash all that here, I'm concentrating on the comments I'll be sending to the Copyright Office tomorrow (March 11th). If you'd like to send your comments also, the address is copyinfo@loc.gov. be sure to specify that your comments are in response to the proposed rates and regulations on webcasting. Here's the official page at the Copyright Office: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/carp/webcasting_rates.html And here's another site set up by Will Robedee at Rice University's KTRU in Texas; he's leading the charge for community and educational radio stations that stream online (and those that have already stopped due to the CARP rates/regs): http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~willr/cb/sos/ Writing your congresspeople won't make any difference with the CARP panel recommendations, because the law in question was passed in October, 1998, which is why the fee-to-be-named-later is retroactive to that date. The largest few interested parties have been wrangling over the details since then. Once the March 11 deadline has passed, those of us who are concerned about this should indeed write to Congress to ask them to take another look at the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other changes that were made to the U.S. copyright law in the late '90s, as many things have changed since then and some provisions of the law now appear counter to the legislators original intent. Those who aren?t concerned can go on being unconcerned. The Impending Death of Internet Radio March 11 deadline Please Read! America's fledgling Internet radio industry continues to react in shock to the recent Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP) decision that Webcasters should pay "performance rights" fees to record labels that are so high that they are currently more than 100% of most Webcasters gross revenues! On October 28, 1998, following its passage in the Senate and House of Representatives earlier that month, President Bill Clinton signed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the act established a new principal that the owners of sound recording copyrights (i.e., record companies) are entitled to compensation when their works are performed on Internet radio. Under current U.S. copyright law, broadcast radio stations pay royalties to the composers of the songs they play, but not to artists or record companies. For broadcast radio, Congress has always assumed that the promotional value of the airplay was sufficient compensation to those parties. DMCAs rationale for granting performance royalties in the digital world was based on the concept that digital copies are perfect copies and thus the sales of CDs (called "phonorecords" in the act) might be at risk in this new digital millennium. Most Webcasters had hoped that the CARP's recommended royalty rate would be based on a percentage of revenues somewhere between the 15% of revenues that the RIAA had been asking of Webcasters and the 3% that Webcasters had proposed (which would be more in line with their ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC royalties to composers). On February 20, 2002, however, the CARP arbitrators issued their recommendation .14? per song per listener for Internet-only webcasters, .07? per song per listener for broadcast radio simulcasts, and .02? per song per listener for non-commercial radio simulcasts. According to the folks at http://www.saveinternetradio.org , a site set up last week by Kurt Hanson, editor of the Radio and Internet Newsletter (http://www.kurthanson.com ), for a mid-sized independent webcaster (e.g., two or three people working out of a home office or dorm room) that has had, say, an average audience of 1,000 listeners for the past three years, the bill for retroactive royalties -- which will come due sometime early this summer if the CARP rate recommendation is approved -- would be $525,600! The reporting requirements are a related, and equally serious problem. Webcasters would be required to report 17 pieces of information on each listener to each song, with an additional 8 pieces of information on each visitor to the site. There is currently no software available that would collect that information, so the reporting requirements alone could shut down Internet radio even if there were no fees involved. Meanwhile, the subscription services set up by the record companies are completely exempt from the new royalties and reporting requirements. Rather than rehash all that here, I'm concentrating on the comments I'll be sending to the Copyright Office tomorrow (March 11th). If you'd like to send your comments also, the address is copyinfo@loc.gov. be sure to specify that your comments are in response to the proposed rates and regulations on webcasting. Here's the official page at the Copyright Office: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/carp/webcasting_rates.html And here's another site set up by Will Robedee at Rice University's KTRU in Texas; he's leading the charge for community and educational radio stations that stream online (and those that have already stopped due to the CARP rates/regs): http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~willr/cb/sos/ Writing your congresspeople won't make any difference with the CARP panel recommendations, because the law in question was passed in October, 1998, which is why the fee-to-be-named-later is retroactive to that date. The largest few interested parties have been wrangling over the details since then. Once the March 11 deadline has passed, those of us who are concerned about this should indeed write to Congress to ask them to take another look at the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other changes that were made to the U.S. copyright law in the late '90s, as many things have changed since then and some provisions of the law now appear counter to the legislators original intent. Those who aren?t concerned can go on being unconcerned. From amy at real-time.com Sun Mar 10 22:09:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod_ssl upgrade causes apache restart to fail Message-ID: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com> I just upgraded mod_ssl and now apache fails when I try to start, with this error: [root@mycroft atanner]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 269 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so: undefined symbol: ENGINE_set_default [FAILED] Here's what I'm running: apache-1.3.19-5 mod_ssl-2.8.5-4 openssl-0.9.6-9 To get around some dependency issues with libcrypto and libssl, I created sym links and upgraded mod_ssl with --nodeps. I'm wondering if that's the source of my problem? I looked into upgrading openssl, but a test upgrade indicated many apps relied upon libcrypto.so.1 and libssl.so.1 so I didn't. Any idea how to fix this? Is there a better way of dealing with library dependency issues? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From wlayer at attbi.com Sun Mar 10 22:09:42 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors Message-ID: <20020310172128.56fde813.wlayer@attbi.com> ShellYeah.org is closing it's doors for good on March 25th, 2002. No more free shell services. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From lbehrens at boolion.com Mon Mar 11 00:46:06 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT- long - The impending death of Internet radio - Message-ID: >From: John Scherer >Date: 10 Mar 2002 16:14:59 -0600 >Ok I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but it's worth it: Likewise, but I won't flame you, even though you have two copies of the article in your post. ;) Lee From lbehrens at boolion.com Mon Mar 11 01:04:01 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP printer power cord recall Message-ID: In case you missed it, there's a recall on power cords for some HP printers. What to look for: 1. DeskJet 800/900 series or Photosmart 1000/1100/1200/1300 series printer 2. Gray power cord 3. "Longwell" on the plug where the prongs are If your cord meets all three conditions, contact HP for a free replacement cord: Web: http://h30022.www3.hp.com/home1/bridge.php Phone: 1-877-917-4378, 24 hours a day, seven days a week The affected cords are a potential electrocution/shock hazard. See http://www.hp.com for more information. Lee From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 11 09:03:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE > controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one > single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about LED's > to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, or if > that'll short something out. Probably. I think it'll just fry the LED though. You'd be best off adding a 33 ohm resistor to each lead, that would lower the current enough that I don't think it'd fry anything. I'm not the person to ask though, I know there are much more experienced EEs on this list. > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > beautiful case! Umm... Nate? Carl? You two are AGAINST modding a case and adding LEDs to it? Of course, I haven't seen any pictures **COUGH, WINK, NUDGE** of this case but still, with that much disk in a box I can't imagine anything less than packing it full of LEDs. -Brian From jmlohren at citilink.com Mon Mar 11 09:12:01 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3C8A8AF8.A481DBBE@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: Contact me if you want: jmlohren@glmmn.com I have 2 remote users that use it...setup is a breeze. On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I am losing my dial-up ISP so I decided to move up the food chain. The > only high-speed option I have available in my area is Charter > Communication's cable modems. Does anyone use Charter? I would to to > talk to you offline about what boxes they use, setting this up under > Linux, etc. > > Thank you, > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Mar 11 09:30:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors In-Reply-To: <20020310172128.56fde813.wlayer@attbi.com> References: <20020310172128.56fde813.wlayer@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020311153009.GB1145@sistina.com> On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:21:28PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >ShellYeah.org is closing it's doors for good on March 25th, 2002. No more >free shell services. And what praytell would you use a shell service for? Personally I prefer just opening up an xterm and doing my work on a machine I am responsible for, but that's just me. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020311/991085f5/attachment.pgp From jmlohren at citilink.com Mon Mar 11 09:38:01 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office Packages? In-Reply-To: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com> Message-ID: What office type of package do you use? I've used StarOffice a little bit but was curious if there are better ones out there. I don't much care for the central pannel, or whatever their term for it is. Specifically a good word processor, e-mail program, and a database program that can use ODBC. TIA JasonL From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Mar 11 09:58:00 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office Packages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can try OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org). It's built on the StarOffice 5.2 code, but they got rid of the integrated desktop thing. Also, you might want to do a search for Abiword. I'm sure there are others, a search on freshmeat might turn up something interesting. As for an e-mail program, I use Pine, many people here use Mutt. If you want a GUI e-mail client, there are many. Gnome has one or two, KDE has at least one, Netscape/Mozilla has one. You've almost certainly already got one installed on your linux system if you are using either KDE or Gnome. http://www.gnome.org/ http://www.kde.org/ Some more information would be useful about what you want to do with a database. If you're looking for a database that you can connect to via ODBC, either PostgreSQL or MySQL should work with the appropriate options added/compiled. If you want a database GUI that you can use as an ODBC frontend to another database (like the way MS Access can be used to work with ODBC data sources) then I really don't know what's available, but again, a freshmeat search or a google search should turn up something. http://www.freshmeat.net/ http://www.google.com/linux Jeff On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Jason Lohrenz wrote: > What office type of package do you use? I've used StarOffice a little bit > but was curious if there are better ones out there. I don't much care for > the central pannel, or whatever their term for it is. > Specifically a good word processor, e-mail program, and a database program > that can use ODBC. > > TIA > > JasonL From john at schererzoo.com Mon Mar 11 10:00:02 2002 From: john at schererzoo.com (John Scherer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1015862408.19512.27.camel@elgato> What would be cool is to use a tri-color led and a simple circuit to convert voltages. This way you would get red for one controller, Green for the Second, and Yellow for the third controller. Tricolor LEDs come in two- and three-pin packages. Although the three-pin, or common-cathode, package easily lends itself to 2-bit control, wiring three crowded pins can be mechanically difficult. Also, fewer manufacturers produce the three-pin types. The two-pin package is easier to connect to a wiring harness and is readily available. However, this package requires more control overhead, because, to light the LED yellow, the device must continuously alternate between red and green. For this application however I thing the three lead version might me simpler. -John On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 09:02, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE > > controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one > > single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about LED's > > to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, or if > > that'll short something out. > > Probably. I think it'll just fry the LED though. You'd be best off > adding a 33 ohm resistor to each lead, that would lower the current enough > that I don't think it'd fry anything. I'm not the person to ask though, I > know there are much more experienced EEs on this list. > > > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > > beautiful case! > > Umm... Nate? Carl? You two are AGAINST modding a case and adding LEDs to > it? Of course, I haven't seen any pictures **COUGH, WINK, NUDGE** of > this case but still, with that much disk in a box I can't imagine anything > less than packing it full of LEDs. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 10:12:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > these LEDs are very low voltage and if you did that it would probably not > really hurt, but i thought that if you used the HD LED connector that most > mobos have you should get the activity of all drives on it that connector is just for the integrated ide controller. :( > > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > > beautiful case! (It came with a blue power led! COOL!) > > pictures please? we're working on it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 10:13:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: <1015862408.19512.27.camel@elgato> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2002, John Scherer wrote: > What would be cool is to use a tri-color led and a simple circuit to > convert voltages. This way you would get red for one controller, > Green for the Second, and Yellow for the third controller. > > Tricolor LEDs come in two- and three-pin packages. Although the > three-pin, or common-cathode, package easily lends itself to 2-bit > control, wiring three crowded pins can be mechanically difficult. > Also, fewer manufacturers produce the three-pin types. The two-pin > package is easier to connect to a wiring harness and is readily > available. However, this package requires more control overhead, > because, to light the LED yellow, the device must continuously > alternate between red and green. > > For this application however I thing the three lead version might me > simpler. Now this sounds cool. :) Anyone feel like making a circuit that would drive one of these suckers? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 10:14:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Brian wrote: > Probably. I think it'll just fry the LED though. You'd be best off > adding a 33 ohm resistor to each lead, that would lower the current > enough that I don't think it'd fry anything. I'm not the person to > ask though, I know there are much more experienced EEs on this list. Yeah, kinda what I figured. > > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > > beautiful case! > > Umm... Nate? Carl? You two are AGAINST modding a case and adding LEDs > to it? Of course, I haven't seen any pictures **COUGH, WINK, NUDGE** > of this case but still, with that much disk in a box I can't imagine > anything less than packing it full of LEDs. Carl didn't say anything. :) I just don'tw ant to have to cut any holes in it.. it's a nice brushed aluminum finish, so any custom led's would look lame if we didn't get it exactly right. I'm thinking it may be easiest to use one of the blank floppy bay covers, and cut a few holes in that.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kelly-black at mediaone.net Mon Mar 11 10:24:01 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: now: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02031110181500.00634@edith> LED's are nice, but: http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/ LCD with more info would be more fun, although at a greater kernel load. As to the tri-colored led, you can prototype it on one of those mock up boards from RadioSmack and gain some room, and then probably finish the job after you know it works with a custom wire wrap board. If you are bored, I know places you can get a double sided board etched for $90 (although it is more fun to to it yourself for a small project like this). Does anybody know of GPL electronics projects? Do they exist, or are they more likely public domain? Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Monday 11 March 2002 10:13, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Brian wrote: > > Probably. I think it'll just fry the LED though. You'd be best off > > adding a 33 ohm resistor to each lead, that would lower the current > > enough that I don't think it'd fry anything. I'm not the person to > > ask though, I know there are much more experienced EEs on this list. > > Yeah, kinda what I figured. > > > > I know we should really go 3 led's, but that'd mean modifying the > > > beautiful case! > > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 10:26:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod_ssl upgrade causes apache restart to fail In-Reply-To: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I just upgraded mod_ssl and now apache fails when I try to start, with > this error: > > [root@mycroft atanner]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start > Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 269 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so: undefined symbol: ENGINE_set_default > [FAILED] > > Here's what I'm running: > > apache-1.3.19-5 > mod_ssl-2.8.5-4 > openssl-0.9.6-9 Hmm.. you've got a different Apache version that ModSSL (2.8.5 is supposed to patch against 1.3.22).. not sure if that's a huge deal or not. To get the security fix, you should probably go 1.3.23/2.8.7. The cause of your problem could be that you've got version mismatches.. > To get around some dependency issues with libcrypto and libssl, I created > sym links and upgraded mod_ssl with --nodeps. I'm wondering if that's > the source of my problem? I looked into upgrading openssl, but a test > upgrade indicated many apps relied upon libcrypto.so.1 and libssl.so.1 > so I didn't. What version of openssl were you looking at upgrading to? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From john at schererzoo.com Mon Mar 11 10:26:19 2002 From: john at schererzoo.com (John Scherer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1015863943.19512.31.camel@elgato> You could do this using a PIC processor, one of the small 4 pin devices and a transistor or two. should be trivial (imho). I'm not a PIC programmer however ;-) On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 10:12, Nate Carlson wrote: > On 11 Mar 2002, John Scherer wrote: > > What would be cool is to use a tri-color led and a simple circuit to > > convert voltages. This way you would get red for one controller, > > Green for the Second, and Yellow for the third controller. > > > > Tricolor LEDs come in two- and three-pin packages. Although the > > three-pin, or common-cathode, package easily lends itself to 2-bit > > control, wiring three crowded pins can be mechanically difficult. > > Also, fewer manufacturers produce the three-pin types. The two-pin > > package is easier to connect to a wiring harness and is readily > > available. However, this package requires more control overhead, > > because, to light the LED yellow, the device must continuously > > alternate between red and green. > > > > For this application however I thing the three lead version might me > > simpler. > > Now this sounds cool. :) > > Anyone feel like making a circuit that would drive one of these suckers? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Mar 11 10:29:00 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors In-Reply-To: <20020311153009.GB1145@sistina.com> References: <20020310172128.56fde813.wlayer@attbi.com> <20020311153009.GB1145@sistina.com> Message-ID: <1015867697.3c8ce9314b592@dragon> Hey, Quoting Ben Lutgens : > And what praytell would you use a shell service for? Personally I > prefer just opening up an xterm and doing my work on a machine I am > responsible for, but that's just me. Sometimes you want to check connectivity to your own systems from a remote system. Or at least that's what I needed an external shell for. -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 10:39:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:02:28AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020311103832.D16101@real-time.com> > Umm... Nate? Carl? You two are AGAINST modding a case and adding LEDs to > it? not me. I'm all in favor of more blinky lights. http://www.redchrome.org/desk.htm (I ought to take a closeup of my LCD panel). for gladiator tho; I really don't care much about the blinkies, since it's going to be on the top shelf in the server room most of the time. I really fail to see why Nate wants to hook all the drive lights to a single LED. ;> best solution would be to get an LCD panel from Crystalfontz or Matrix Orbital; and use that to display drive activity (and disk utilization, and load, and # of users, etc.) http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/ they're not cheap tho; at about $70-80 for a 2-line LCD in its bracket; and $160-$170 for the fancy 4-line VFD. (http://www.bit-tech.net/article/63/ using it to decorate one of the coolest cases I've ever seen). Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 11 10:43:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > Carl didn't say anything. :) I just assumed that Carl and Bob were in agreement. Either that or they were in back digging for the Dremel :-) > I just don'tw ant to have to cut any holes in it.. it's a nice brushed > aluminum finish, so any custom led's would look lame if we didn't get it > exactly right. Yup, you are correct. You could take it to a metal shop, but they may charge more than it's worth. Do the drives have LEDs on them? Our Compaq servers have an LED on each drive (IBM drive, I believe) behind a plexiglass door. Also a good alternative without having to solder your controllers. > I'm thinking it may be easiest to use one of the blank floppy bay covers, > and cut a few holes in that.. That's probably best, plus then you have room for temperature readouts and LED bar graphs for stats monitoring. -Brian From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 11 11:28:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network Message-ID: <20020311112718.244b4a52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> My roommate has been noticing that I can play music on the stereo in our apartment from my wireless laptop. The system is running the ESound Daemon, and I just set up the ESD output plugin on XMMS to send decompressed audio there. I probably would have set up something completely different using a command-line player, but I play both MP3s and OGG Vorbis files, which would make setting up something like that kind of complicated.. Anyway, my roommate still runs Windows on his system, and I'm curious if anyone knows of an ESD plugin for Winamp, or another network audio system that would work for both of us. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ever notice how fast / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows runs? Neither did I \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If there are wires, then I don't think you need any kind of plugin, and if there aren't any wires, then I want more information! -Yaron -- From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 11 12:05:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel 2.4.18 Question Message-ID: <20020311180209.GB19870@wookimus.net> What was the final verdict with the 2.4.18 kernel? I see Carl is running it, and I've read the ChangeLog from http://www.kernel.org for 2.4.18: Update: The SET_PERSONALITY fix in rc4 has _not_ been included in the final 2.4.18 by mistake. final: - No changes have been made between -final and -rc4. rc4: - Load code did not set personality for binaries without an interpreter: This was breaking static apps on several archs (Tom Gall) Should we, therefore, be running the 2.4.18-rc4 patch against 2.4.17? Should we use the 2.4.18 tarball, patch? I suppose I could download all three, diff them and see which is most up-to-date w/the SET_PERSONALITY fix. Time for lunch... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No more > free shell services. > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 11 12:35:02 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel 2.4.18 Question In-Reply-To: <20020311180209.GB19870@wookimus.net> References: <20020311180209.GB19870@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020311183514.GB464@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:02:09PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > What was the final verdict with the 2.4.18 kernel? I see Carl is > running it, and I've read the ChangeLog from http://www.kernel.org for > 2.4.18: > > Time for lunch... Read the LKML archives. The problem occurs only on sparcs. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020311/b865f0d7/attachment.pgp From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Mar 11 12:42:00 2002 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Quoting Mike Hicks : > > My roommate has been noticing that I can play music on the stereo in > > our apartment from my wireless laptop. The system is running the ESound > > Daemon, and I just set up the ESD output plugin on XMMS to send > > decompressed audio there. > > Wait a sec, are there wires connected between the laptop and the stereo, or > what? If there are wires, then I don't think you need any kind of plugin, and > if there aren't any wires, then I want more information! My take on it is the laptop (which, as Mike said, is *wireless*) is sending its decoded audio stream over the network to an esound daemon, which I'm guessing is running on some desktop box, which is in turn connected to the stereo. He's just asking if there's a plugin to Winamp or whatnot that can send its audio to a network device, so that a Windows box could do the same thing as a Linux box with XMMS. Well, that's my take, anyway. If that's the case... Mike, is there any reason you're not decoding the audio on the computer that's hooked up to the stereo, aside from the finer control that initiating the stream from your local system (in that case, your wireless laptop) affords you? I've written a command-line script that queued up MP3s (via mpg123); it wouldn't be a far step beyond that to write a CGI to do the same. Or maybe I'm just unnecessarily complicating things. Jima From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 11 12:48:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> References: <20020311112718.244b4a52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> Message-ID: <20020311124718.11ba1afa.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > Wait a sec, are there wires connected between the laptop and the stereo, or > what? If there are wires, then I don't think you need any kind of plugin, and > if there aren't any wires, then I want more information! The laptop is `connected' via 802.11. It sends audio to a box sitting in the corner (an old P100 with an SB16 in it), which is connected to the stereo with real wires. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ask not for whom the ^G / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tolls. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before my roommate and I got laptops, I originally wanted to set up a neat web interface (probably running on my desktop) with an SQL backend and search functions, etc., which would control an icecast daemon or something similar. I just never got around to working on the project, and I was never sure if I could have a client program that handled MP3 *and* Ogg Vorbis that would run adequately on the Pentium 100 I had available. Once I got my laptop, I figured I had a relatively decent interface (XMMS) and just needed to get audio from point A to B. I'd still like to create a nice web interface, so then my roommates and I could do neat things like vote on what music to play next, but I haven't had/made enough time to do it. Uncompressed audio runs on the order of 150kByte/s, so it usually works fine on the network we have here (except when the wireless access point decides to drop down to a transmission rate of 16kByte/s for still unknown reasons). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Join the Army. Meet / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ interesting people. Kill \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) them. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I odubt Windows will be able to do that... If you make it do something 'standard' it should be fairly easy to get Doze to do it. For example, have it mount an SMB volume off windows, and have a web interface that controls whatever the player is. -Yaron -- From esper at sherohman.org Mon Mar 11 13:09:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:43:05PM -0600 References: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> Message-ID: <20020311130901.C3189@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:43:05PM -0600, Jima wrote: > Mike, is there any reason you're not decoding the audio on the computer > that's hooked up to the stereo, aside from the finer control that > initiating the stream from your local system (in that case, your wireless > laptop) affords you? I've written a command-line script that queued up > MP3s (via mpg123); it wouldn't be a far step beyond that to write a CGI to > do the same. Or, if you've got the bandwidth to burn, just use X to run XMMS on the machine hooked to the stereo and display it on the laptop. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Mar 11 13:22:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: References: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> Message-ID: <20020311192218.GB3148@sistina.com> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:43:05PM -0600, Jima wrote: > If that's the case... > Mike, is there any reason you're not decoding the audio on the computer >that's hooked up to the stereo, aside from the finer control that >initiating the stream from your local system (in that case, your wireless >laptop) affords you? I've written a command-line script that queued up >MP3s (via mpg123); it wouldn't be a far step beyond that to write a CGI to >do the same. > Or maybe I'm just unnecessarily complicating things. perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::MP3' With this module you can control xmms from command line (or from a cgi). If it's a headless box you could run Xvfb server, set your display and your golden. You can add/remove files to playlists, change volume etc. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Using Red Hat 7.2 Thanks, David From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Mar 11 14:53:01 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name References: Message-ID: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> man hostname David Blevins wrote: > > I've been searching linuxdoc but can't seem to find anything. If someone > could point me in the right the direction that would be great. > > I am trying to change the host name of the machine, is that even possible > after install? I noticed that I spelled it wrong!! > > Thanks, > David From kelly-black at mediaone.net Mon Mar 11 15:09:00 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Funny stuff: Air Force seeks better security from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> References: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> Message-ID: <02031115025800.01062@edith> http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/03/11/gilligan.htm#more I especially like to quote: "This is what our customers expect and demand," says Steve Lipner, Microsoft's director of security assurance. "Message received. We're working night and day on security." Nice to know that all you have to do is: 1. Be the Air Force. 2. Just ask politely to tighten security, or you will loose $. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 11 15:09:27 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel 2.4.18 Question In-Reply-To: <20020311183514.GB464@iucha.net> References: <20020311180209.GB19870@wookimus.net> <20020311183514.GB464@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020311210645.GC19870@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:35:14PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > Read the LKML archives. The problem occurs only on sparcs. I did read LKML, however I was asking for final verdict. LKML isn't always explicit in it's summaries and conclusions. A new Kernel Traffic was released today that contains a good summary of the topic. The long and short of it is that it does not affect x86 architectures, but does include "some" architectures. Albeit, "some" implies more than one, but I'm sure "sparc" is part of that potential list. Anyway, the Kernel Traffic to view is: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#3 At least I feel safe compiling the 2.4.18 kernel and rolling it out to the IMA x86 workstations/servers, especially after reading Carl's website about his successes. For future reference, telling me to RTFM will likely fall on deaf ears, as that is usually the first source I hit. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020311/b4019309/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 11 15:22:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: <20020311125507.1e7318ac.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> <20020311125507.1e7318ac.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020311211930.GD19870@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:55:07PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > I originally wanted to set up a neat web interface (probably running > on my desktop) with an SQL backend and search functions, etc., which > would control an icecast daemon or something similar. By the creator of grip: Package: digitaldj Priority: optional Section: sound Installed-Size: 212 Maintainer: Adam Klein Architecture: i386 Version: 0.6-7.1 Depends: maplay3 | mpg123 | amp, libc6 (>= 2.2.4-2), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-2), libmysqlclient10, xlibs (>> 4.1.0) Recommends: grip Suggests: mysql-server Filename: pool/main/d/digitaldj/digitaldj_0.6-7.1_i386.deb Size: 50030 MD5sum: 5f458bfa237dd89d3afb7742c6ff6eca Description: An SQL based mp3 player front-end DigitalDJ is an SQL-based front-end to the mpg123 mp3 player designed for people who want to create an mp3 version of their CD collection. It is designed to work with the Grip ripping/encoding application (but can be used separately). When Grip encodes mp3 files, it will place all of the song information into an SQL database. DigitalDJ can then use this information to create playlists based on a number of criteria. . You will need a MySQL server, which can either be on the local or a remote host. However, if SQL isn't a requirement, and you'd like to use other features, try this one on for size: Package: mserv Priority: optional Section: sound Installed-Size: 504 Maintainer: David Kimdon Architecture: i386 Version: 0.33-13 Depends: adduser, debconf (>>0.5.00), mpg321 | mpg123, libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), perl Recommends: apache | httpd Filename: pool/main/m/mserv/mserv_0.33-13_i386.deb Size: 114714 MD5sum: e5b801683a3229f6955bf946751058d0 Description: local centralised multiuser music server Mserv is a music server designed to do a number of things better than most systems designed to play mp3s: . - Supports any type of client using standard TCP protocol - Stores information on mp3 (bitrate, duration, name, author, genre, date produced, last play date) in on-disk database. - Stores rating information supplied by the user (awful, bad, neutral, good, superb). - Has a comprehensive queuing system (track, album, random album, etc) - Random play chooses the songs that people currently on-line want to hear using their ratings of the songs. - Search facilities, status information, statistics, etc. - User management facilities, four levels of users, encrypted passwords. - Talker style communication (say, emote etc.) - Play, next, pause, stop, repeat, volume, bass, treble settings. - On-line and off-line track information editing. - Advanced filter facilities (e.g. 'john=superb', '!good', 'year>1990', 'duration<180', 'genre=pop', 'john=good|fred=unheard' etc.) - Built-in telnet client (see manual). - Library interface, no need to write TCP code. - Comes with command line shell program for interfacing and web client to this shell program for web-based control. - Uses an external player to output, and is known to support mpg321, mpg123 and freeamp - this could be used to broadcast the output or support other players. - Comes with a setuid wrapper for mpg123-compatible players that can increase the nice level for low-capability processors. . For more info see http://www.mserv.org -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020311/28620c8e/attachment.pgp From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Mar 11 15:35:32 2002 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name In-Reply-To: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > man hostname > > David Blevins wrote: > > I've been searching linuxdoc but can't seem to find anything. If someone > > could point me in the right the direction that would be great. > > > > I am trying to change the host name of the machine, is that even possible > > after install? I noticed that I spelled it wrong!! No, Bob, that'll only affect the hostname for the currently-running session. As soon as the system reboots, it'll go back to whatever the hostname was at setup. David, check /etc/sysconfig/network . There should be a line starting with "HOSTNAME=". Change that. That'll take care of the hostname for after you reboot. The command 'hostname' will deal with it up until then. Also, restart syslogd if you want the new hostname (well, the short name) to appear in the logs, instead of the old name. Jima From esper at sherohman.org Mon Mar 11 16:08:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 03:36:17PM -0600 References: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20020311160757.F3189@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 03:36:17PM -0600, Jima wrote: > David, check /etc/sysconfig/network . There should be a line starting > with "HOSTNAME=". ...if you're running Red Hat. Under Debian, /etc/sysconfig doesn't exist and the host name is stored in /etc/hostname. IOW, the answer it distro-specific. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Mar 11 16:25:03 2002 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name In-Reply-To: <20020311160757.F3189@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 03:36:17PM -0600, Jima wrote: > > David, check /etc/sysconfig/network . There should be a line starting > > with "HOSTNAME=". > > ...if you're running Red Hat. Under Debian, /etc/sysconfig doesn't > exist and the host name is stored in /etc/hostname. IOW, the answer > it distro-specific. Yep. David said in his original post that he was using RedHat 7.2. I should have mentioned that my answer was specific to that distribution. Also, a common mistake with RedHat is assuming that the hostname is set from /etc/HOSTNAME (as it contains the hostname) -- but even that's copied from /etc/sysconfig/network at boot time. Convoluted? Sure. Jima From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 16:41:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 1400 CST In-Reply-To: <20020309012145.O2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Lots of pictures, lots of details when it's all done. > > Right now it's 72Gb out of 156Gb transferred to the new array. Beeing > running since like 7pm! (1:20am right now). Well, all data's on the new array, but we ran into some PCI conflicts trying to install the second RAID controller. Eventually gave up on the motherboard, and downgraded to a P2-400 (it was a P3-700). So, we've got both arrays online right now, waiting for it all to fsck so we can expand the lvm logical volume over both arrays. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 17:28:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: testing (sendmail fubar) Message-ID: <20020311172756.H2972@real-time.com> Testing. I fubar'd the sendmail.cf on the listserver. This is a test to see if I un-fubar'd it. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 17:31:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: testing (sendmail fubar) In-Reply-To: <20020311172756.H2972@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 05:27:56PM -0600 References: <20020311172756.H2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020311173055.J2972@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Testing. > > I fubar'd the sendmail.cf on the listserver. This is a test to see if I > un-fubar'd it. > We are back. :-) I guess I need to work on the exim to sendmail stuff a little bit more. :-( Funny (not) how things work on a test environment and blow up in your face on production. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Mar 11 17:41:05 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 14 00 CST Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7616B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Well, all data's on the new array, but we ran into some PCI conflicts > trying to install the second RAID controller. Is ACPI disabled in the BIOS? If there's no option to disable it, and it's an Award BIOS, you can use a program called modbin6 (get version 1.00.38) to add that menu option back into the bios. Microsoft requires motherboard manufacturers to hide this option in the bios config to prevent it from being disabled, otherwise they won't "windows" certify the board. If you disable ACPI, things will stop trying to share IRQ's. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 17:53:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline March 8, 14 00 CST In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7616B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is ACPI disabled in the BIOS? > > If there's no option to disable it, and it's an Award BIOS, you can > use a program called modbin6 (get version 1.00.38) to add that menu > option back into the bios. Microsoft requires motherboard > manufacturers to hide this option in the bios config to prevent it > from being disabled, otherwise they won't "windows" certify the board. > If you disable ACPI, things will stop trying to share IRQ's. Yeah, I had ACPI turned off. First thing I tried. :) It's working fine now; bit slower box, but a P2/400's plenty fast for a FTP server.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 11 18:29:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: <20020311211930.GD19870@wookimus.net> References: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> <20020311125507.1e7318ac.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020311211930.GD19870@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020311182909.14270b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Chad C. Walstrom" wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:55:07PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I originally wanted to set up a neat web interface (probably running > > on my desktop) with an SQL backend and search functions, etc., which > > would control an icecast daemon or something similar. > > By the creator of grip: > > Package: digitaldj [snip] > Package: mserv [snip] Yeah, but does it handle Ogg Vorbis? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not part of the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ solution, you're part of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) the precipitate. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nate should pick it up in the morning to finish the kernel mods for lvm and I hope to be back online 03-12-2002 in the evening. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at isis.visi.com Mon Mar 11 22:11:23 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux client for Novell's eDirectory Message-ID: Hey everyone, At one time I thought I heard that Novell would be releasing a Linux client for their eDirectory product. It looks from their Web site that you can install eDirectory on a Linux server, but I was hoping for something that would make it easy for my Linux box to authenticate to our eDirectory/NDS tree at school. Does anyone have experience in this area? I searching everything I could find at http://www.novell.com/ today, but came up empty. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 22:12:26 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 03:36:17PM -0600 References: <3C8D192D.EA14C3A0@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20020311221206.B22416@real-time.com> > David, check /etc/sysconfig/network . There should be a line starting > with "HOSTNAME=". Change that. keep in mind that you'll also want to edit your /etc/hosts file, and change the hostname there as well. (or add a line for your hostname and IP address, if it just has 'localhost' in there already). if you don't do this, things like gdm (that GUI login window that GNOME uses) will have a fit and refuse to run, because they can't resolve your hostname. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 11 23:06:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lkml inject completed Message-ID: <20020311230600.D2972@real-time.com> The lkml inject completed on March 06, 2002. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Mar 11 23:17:01 2002 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing the host name In-Reply-To: <20020311221206.B22416@real-time.com> Message-ID: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > keep in mind that you'll also want to edit your /etc/hosts file, > [...] > if you don't do this, things like gdm (that GUI login window that GNOME > uses) will have a fit and refuse to run, because they can't resolve your > hostname. Ahh. That would explain why that suddenly broke this afternoon. Thanks! David From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 12 00:10:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lkml inject completed In-Reply-To: <20020311230600.D2972@real-time.com> References: <20020311230600.D2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020312060658.GA23659@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 11:06:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > The lkml inject completed on March 06, 2002. And there was much rejoicing!!! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The prduct flyer states that it uses NFS v3.0 over TCP/IP. -Keith From Keith at aCoupleofGurus.com Tue Mar 12 00:22:02 2002 From: Keith at aCoupleofGurus.com (Keith Schoolcraft) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux client for Novell's eDirectory References: Message-ID: <3C8D9DF6.1090202@aCoupleofGurus.com> Hi Tim, This is my first post so I hope this gets through. Novell solution to the "Client" problem is Native File Access pack (NFA) See http://www.novell.com/products/nfa/ Basically you don't need a novell client to access a Novell server anymore weather your running Windows, Mac, or Unix/Linux. NFA comes with Netware 6.0 and is available for Netware 5.1. If you go to the link you see theres a white paper that exlain the technology a bit more in depth. Some very cool stuff. The prduct flyer states that it uses NFS v3.0 over TCP/IP. -Keith From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 12 00:23:09 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] audio output over the network In-Reply-To: <20020311182909.14270b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1015871573.3c8cf85601e66@dragon> <20020311125507.1e7318ac.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020311211930.GD19870@wookimus.net> <20020311182909.14270b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020312061927.GB23659@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 06:29:09PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > By the creator of grip: > > > > Package: digitaldj > [snip] > > Package: mserv > [snip] > > Yeah, but does it handle Ogg Vorbis? I gave you the references. Use google and a little imagination. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anonymous CVS via ssh identity file Message-ID: <20020312140925.GB11485@wookimus.net> If anyone has been shakey about opening anonymous cvs access via pserver, here's a link that explains how to provide anonymous cvs access via an ssh connection: http://kitenet.net/programs/sshcvs/ Very nice setup actually. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sounds like it might be running > ESD, too, and you can get ESD to talk to ESD or something? I odubt Windows will > be able to do that... The P100 is basically just running ESD and a printer daemon. I start the sound daemon with `esd -tcp -public -nobeeps &'. In XMMS, I just pick the Esound output plugin in the preferences, and configure it to point to the audio `server'. I've also been able to get RealPlayer to output over the network by setting the ESPEAKER environment variable before starting the program (you also have to set up RealPlayer to use ESD output in preferences). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Away. If I should return / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ before I get back, please \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) tell me where I am. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From gsker at tcfreenet.org Tue Mar 12 09:31:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux client for Novell's eDirectory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim, This is something of the dreaded, "me to", but there isn't a good clean authentication client for Novell's eDirectory. :-( In response to Keith's reply, Netware 6 isn't really an option for an existing NDS network. An upgrade to Netware 6 is non-trivial (requires a lot of work and more hardware) and still doesn't really allow for easy Linux authentication to NDS -- it just allows for file access once you have authentication (except for the web client which should work fine regardless of the client without separate authentication). That said, our best bet is to get secure LDAP working on NDS. LDAP is running where I work, but secure LDAP is not yet configured right, so I haven't been able to get the authentication working. The things to look for are the LDAP PAM module and references to it. If LDAP and SSL are working on your NDS Tree, you should be able to get that working. As far as file access, waiting for Native File Access in Netware 6 is probably our only hope. I'll be very interested in any progress you make and in any other responses from people on the list who have been successful with Novell/Linux integration. Gerry -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From ming at evil-overlords.com Tue Mar 12 10:12:01 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Proliant 2500 and RH 7.2 memory issues Message-ID: <1015949253.3c8e27c5a4ab2@mail.evil-overlords.com> Just have a interesting little problem that I can't seem to find an answer for. The machine has 256MB of RAM. To get RH to install I had to use the mem=256m option. I then also have to add append="mem=256m" in lilo.conf but when ever i try to get an updated kernel via redhat updates it never recognizes all the mem even though the append bit is still in lilo.conf. I guess I have to do manual kernel updates? Or are there other options. Jason From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 12 10:17:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware support in kernel Message-ID: I have a general question, I'm sure when I hear the answer I'll feel stupid, but my brain isn't helping me much this morning. Let's say I have network card X in my machine. I'd like to know what kernel versions support it and which don't. Is there a nice indexed list of hardware compatibility for the kernel somewhere? -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 10:19:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lkml inject completed In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 07:11:05AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020312101828.R13778@real-time.com> Quoting Troy.A Johnson (troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us): > P.S. - Does this mean we won't get any more > every exciting and unpredictable "blasts from > the past"? There are 0 msg in the queue so yes, should be no time warps. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mike at Jentges.NET Tue Mar 12 10:24:01 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Proliant 2500 and RH 7.2 memory issues In-Reply-To: <1015949253.3c8e27c5a4ab2@mail.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, ming wrote: > > > Just have a interesting little problem that I can't seem to find an answer for. > The machine has 256MB of RAM. To get RH to install I had to use the mem=256m > option. I then also have to add append="mem=256m" in lilo.conf but when ever i > try to get an updated kernel via redhat updates it never recognizes all the mem > even though the append bit is still in lilo.conf. I guess I have to do manual > kernel updates? Or are there other options. > > > Jason Well it is of my and I'm sure many others opinion that it's best to always build your own custom kernel. "Manual kernel updates", as it were. That way you know what you have, you have what you need, and nothing you don't. Thats the beauty of it all. :) -MJ From Keith at aCoupleofGurus.com Tue Mar 12 10:28:01 2002 From: Keith at aCoupleofGurus.com (Keith Schoolcraft) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux client for Novell's eDirectory References: Message-ID: <3C8E2BF9.8090000@aCoupleofGurus.com> Yes Gerry is right there is no clean client for Linux. Just to to be clear though if you are an existing Netware 5.1 customer with upgrade protection you are entitled to Native File Access pack for free. Here is the snip taken from http://www.novell.com/products/nfa/pricing.html "Current NetWare 5.1 customers with upgrade protection/maintenance, will receive Novell Native File Access Pack free of charge through the normal upgrade process. For customers not paying upgrade protection on NetWare 5.1, Novell Native File Access Pack will cost $299 per server." If your just looking for secure authentication then you should be taking Gerry's advice and working to get secure LDAP up and running. Here are couple of TID's that should get you in the right direction in setting this up. How to configure LDAP for SSL (Secure) Connections http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/10023209.htm The Novell LDAP Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Might also be of help http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/10062287.htm Good luck -Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020312/7ae12d4d/attachment.html From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 12 10:33:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Proliant 2500 and RH 7.2 memory issues In-Reply-To: <1015949253.3c8e27c5a4ab2@mail.evil-overlords.com>; from ming@evil-overlords.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:07:33AM -0600 References: <1015949253.3c8e27c5a4ab2@mail.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <20020312103229.C7391@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:07:33AM -0600, ming wrote: > Just have a interesting little problem that I can't seem to find an answer for. > The machine has 256MB of RAM. To get RH to install I had to use the mem=256m > option. I then also have to add append="mem=256m" in lilo.conf but when ever i > try to get an updated kernel via redhat updates it never recognizes all the mem > even though the append bit is still in lilo.conf. I guess I have to do manual > kernel updates? Or are there other options. Kernel version 2.4 uses a different notation for specifying the machine's memory configuration. Richard Black's extensive Compaq/Linux site has a writeup on this topic: http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/memory.html Joel PS. If you were installing Debian (on ProLiant 1500), I would tell you to check out my installation notes: http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/memory.html From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 12 10:43:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Proliant 2500 and RH 7.2 memory issues In-Reply-To: <20020312103229.C7391@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:32:29AM -0600 References: <1015949253.3c8e27c5a4ab2@mail.evil-overlords.com> <20020312103229.C7391@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020312104259.D7391@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:32:29AM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > PS. If you were installing Debian (on ProLiant 1500), I would tell you > to check out my installation notes: > > http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/memory.html Oops - the correct URL for my Debian/ProLiant installation notes is: http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html Joel From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Mar 12 10:50:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors In-Reply-To: <1015867697.3c8ce9314b592@dragon> References: <20020310172128.56fde813.wlayer@attbi.com> <20020311153009.GB1145@sistina.com> <1015867697.3c8ce9314b592@dragon> Message-ID: jethro@freakzilla.com writes: > Hey, > > Quoting Ben Lutgens : > > > And what praytell would you use a shell service for? Personally I > > prefer just opening up an xterm and doing my work on a machine I am > > responsible for, but that's just me. > > Sometimes you want to check connectivity to your own systems from a remote > system. Or at least that's what I needed an external shell for. Yes, that's *extremely* useful. For the last year or so I've had an account on an acquaintance's machine, so I haven't used free shell services for this, but looking at your own site from *outside* can be critical to testing/debugging things. I also used my *own* server for that from several jobs. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From kethry at winternet.com Tue Mar 12 11:03:02 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Hey, > > > > Quoting Ben Lutgens : > > > > > And what praytell would you use a shell service for? Personally I > > > prefer just opening up an xterm and doing my work on a machine I am > > > responsible for, but that's just me. > > > > Sometimes you want to check connectivity to your own systems from a remote > > system. Or at least that's what I needed an external shell for. And sometimes that's the only access you have until you get your linux box/domain/etc fully up and running ;) Personally I use my (paid) shell account for: mail, webdesign, taking notes in classes, compiling class projects under *nix environment [note - the classes I'm taking are through St. Paul Tech - I wasn't given *nix shell access through school since they were predominantly teaching via Visual C++/Borland JBuilder/etc], testing for connectivity/debugging issues from outside our LAN from work. *shrug* it's more than useful - it's the way I do a LOT of stuff, it's used on a daily basis. and it's nicely portable :) I catch a lot of flack from one of my housemates because I prefer text based computing to GUI based stuff for normal day to day stuff. He feels I should come out of the stone age and wake up to technology *laugh* - *shrug* I use GUI stuff for the most part as well, but for mail, for irc, for little pidly stuff, I'd rather use a command prompt. Shell access gives me that, and when I can get dyndns set up with my domain name, and get our network in gear at home, then I won't need the paid account, I'll be able to use my home box. though as someone else pointed out, having a shell from outside would be beneficial for connectivity testing. Take care, Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Mar 12 11:25:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ShellYeah closing it's doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020312172443.GB23298@sistina.com> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:02:46AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: >Personally I use my (paid) shell account for: > >mail, webdesign, taking notes in classes, compiling class projects under >*nix environment [note - the classes I'm taking are through St. Paul Tech >- I wasn't given *nix shell access through school since they were >predominantly teaching via Visual C++/Borland JBuilder/etc], testing for >connectivity/debugging issues from outside our LAN from work. I guess I'm spoiled. I have a Linux box at home, a laptop, and whole slew of linux boxen at work. 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Is there a nice indexed list of hardware > compatibility for the kernel somewhere? http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ Each distribution also has there own list Redhat http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 12:44:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco- End-of-Life Announcement for Cisco ADSL CPE,No. 1310 Message-ID: <20020312124406.Z10709@real-time.com> For our sales guy, from qwest sales guy, from Cisco sales guy: End-of-Life Announcement Cisco 627, Cisco 675/675E, Cisco 677, and Cisco 678 ADSL CPE http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/general/bulletin/rt/1310_pp.htm -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 12:52:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco- End-of-Life Announcement for Cisco ADSL CPE,No. 1310 In-Reply-To: <20020312124406.Z10709@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > For our sales guy, from qwest sales guy, from Cisco sales guy: > > End-of-Life Announcement Cisco 627, Cisco 675/675E, Cisco 677, and > Cisco 678 ADSL CPE > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/general/bulletin/rt/1310_pp.htm Good news is replacements use IOS. Sweet! Hopefully we'll be able to get 'em at a reasonable price. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Mar 12 13:36:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco- End-of-Life Announcement for Cisco ADSL CPE,No. 1310 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1015965316.3c8e66847d353@dragon> Hey, Quoting Nate Carlson : > > For our sales guy, from qwest sales guy, from Cisco sales guy: > > End-of-Life Announcement Cisco 627, Cisco 675/675E, Cisco 677, and > > Cisco 678 ADSL CPE > Good news is replacements use IOS. Sweet! BAD news is they made me buy a 678 like a month ago! -Yaron -- From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 12 13:56:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco- End-of-Life Announcement for Cisco ADSL CPE,No. 1310 In-Reply-To: References: <20020312124406.Z10709@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020312195553.GJ11485@wookimus.net> > Good news is replacements use IOS. Sweet! Hmm.. The bulletin also said something IOS support for the existing models. I'm wondering if that's a typo. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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> _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jason Lanpher http://www.stealthnetworking.com jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.browncollege.edu jlanpher@staff.browncollege.edu Work: 651-905-3400 ext 311 From wilson at isis.visi.com Tue Mar 12 15:00:02 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely wireless for telephone service. (I've always said that I'd get a cell phone when I could dump my land line.) The complicating factor is that I've got DSL service from Qwest. I know there are a lot of folks on this list who have probably comtemplated similar moves. Does anyone know if Qwest requires you to have regular phone service if you have DSL? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 12 15:05:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CLASSPATH In-Reply-To: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com>; from michael.arolan@excite.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:46:50PM -0500 References: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com> Message-ID: <20020312150503.B7875@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:46:50PM -0500, michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: >
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You could edit /etc/profile (or /etc/csh.cshrc ... depending on which shell you're using) to set the CLASSPATH variable. Please don't send HTML email to the list. Joel From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 12 15:07:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CLASSPATH Message-ID: Icky HTML email, Michael! Yes, you can set them globally and individually. See ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile, and other default dot files in the users home directories. Read the man page for bash (type 'man bash' at the prompt) to get more information on what files govern the setting of environmental variables and when. >>> jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com 03/12/02 02:57PM >>> if you use the bash shell as you default you can set up a system wide classpath variable in the file named /etc/profile Remember to include the variable CLASSPATH in the export statement in the lower part of the file.. > > Guys, >
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> _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jason Lanpher http://www.stealthnetworking.com jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.browncollege.edu jlanpher@staff.browncollege.edu Work: 651-905-3400 ext 311 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Tue Mar 12 15:09:38 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL References: Message-ID: <3C8E6E83.A5332782@usfamily.net> My guess would be no, but then again I still have my land line. Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely > wireless for telephone service. (I've always said that I'd get a cell > phone when I could dump my land line.) The complicating factor is that > I've got DSL service from Qwest. I know there are a lot of folks on this > list who have probably comtemplated similar moves. Does anyone know if > Qwest requires you to have regular phone service if you have DSL? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From kelly-black at mediaone.net Tue Mar 12 15:10:51 2002 From: kelly-black at mediaone.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CLASSPATH In-Reply-To: <200203122057.g2CKvb412199@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> References: <200203122057.g2CKvb412199@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Message-ID: <02031215022200.21560@edith> No that you asked, but you could use Webstart if your application needs to be updated often. With just a little extra setup (clients get the Java Webstart client), and you need to have a web server, and an XML jnlp file, but after that, you can get updates to all of the client machines (Windoze or Linux) by just signing and changing out the jar files on the web server. You can even add new jar files for additional functionality and not have to touch the client. The clients will check the version of the app and which jar resources they need every time the start via the webstart client (no classpath needed). Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Tuesday 12 March 2002 14:57, you wrote: > if you use the bash shell as you default you can set up a system wide > classpath variable in the file named /etc/profile Remember to include > the variable CLASSPATH in the export statement in the lower part of the > file.. > > > Guys, > >
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> > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jason Lanpher > > http://www.stealthnetworking.com > > jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com > > http://www.browncollege.edu > > jlanpher@staff.browncollege.edu > > Work: 651-905-3400 ext 311 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Mar 12 15:19:00 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <3C8E6E83.A5332782@usfamily.net> References: <3C8E6E83.A5332782@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1015964494.27530.5.camel@money> > > I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely > > wireless for telephone service. DO IT! (I've always said that I'd get a cell > > phone when I could dump my land line.) The complicating factor is that > > I've got DSL service from Qwest. I know there are a lot of folks on this > > list who have probably comtemplated similar moves. Does anyone know if > > Qwest requires you to have regular phone service if you have DSL? > > I sure wouldnt be supprised if they made you had voice service on your phone line. it would just make sense that you could speperate the two, therefore qworst will make you have both. I dont have a land line, just cell phones for myself and my wife. Havent had any problems. At first i was concerned about minutes (now have unlimited nights/weekends) and i figured that the amounnt of minutes i would go over and be charged for over the course of a year would still be less than the phone charges from qworst for the land line. an extra bonus... i dont get any solicitations on my cell phone. dunno why, but i dont. duncan From nate at techie.com Tue Mar 12 15:21:01 2002 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020312212131.GA10005@candle.dhs.org> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:59:27PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely > wireless for telephone service. (I've always said that I'd get a cell > phone when I could dump my land line.) The complicating factor is that > I've got DSL service from Qwest. I know there are a lot of folks on this > list who have probably comtemplated similar moves. Does anyone know if > Qwest requires you to have regular phone service if you have DSL? When I was checking on DSL, they said I have to have Qwest phone service in order to get DSL, since DSL is really just an out of band, extended phone call. If you switched to a Cable modem, you could dump Qwest. Nate From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 12 15:23:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CLASSPATH In-Reply-To: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com> References: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com> Message-ID: <20020312212239.GK11485@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:46:50PM -0500, michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > How can I (or how should I) set up the CLASSPATH variable in Redhat > Linux 7.2. Can I set up on an individual user basis? If I want all the > users to have the same classpath where would I set it up? Thanks in > advance. Neither. Use application wrapper scripts. The java jar files and classpaths are not as robust as GNU library linking. Multiple jars can supply the same class implement, invading eachother's namespaces. Sometimes this is intentional, sometimes not. The java compiler and interpretor are compiled to point to their default classpaths, so you do not need to specify these. Given that, it is a far easier thing to do to set up simple shell wrapper scripts to set up the CLASSPATH environment variable for a specific application. #!/bin/sh -e # # myapp -- runs app.real after setting environ variables # java=/usr/bin/java javac=/usr/bin/javac # set up classpath if not already set -- let users set their own CLASSPATH=${CLASSPATH:-/usr/share/myapp/} export CLASSPATH # Run app w/commandline options from script arguments $java $@ # end script -- exits w/exit code from java app -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sweet! > > BAD news is they made me buy a 678 like a month ago! > The others are 2 times the cost of the 67[58]. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 12 15:42:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76188@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes, they will make you have phone service from them. Of course, they'll also try to make you have call-waiting, caller-id, 3-way calling, memory dialing, and every other "feature" they have. And if you say you don't want them, they'll put it on anyway. Qwest need to just go away. I have a cable modem, and it's not that bad. I can't host on it, but download speeds are faster. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Straz [mailto:nate@techie.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:22 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:59:27PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > > I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely > > wireless for telephone service. (I've always said that I'd > get a cell > > phone when I could dump my land line.) The complicating > factor is that > > I've got DSL service from Qwest. I know there are a lot of > folks on this > > list who have probably comtemplated similar moves. Does > anyone know if > > Qwest requires you to have regular phone service if you have DSL? > > When I was checking on DSL, they said I have to have Qwest > phone service > in order to get DSL, since DSL is really just an out of band, extended > phone call. > > If you switched to a Cable modem, you could dump Qwest. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 15:47:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CLASSPATH In-Reply-To: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com>; from michael.arolan@excite.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:46:50PM -0500 References: <20020312204650.060401E47E@xprdmailfe.excite.com> Message-ID: <20020312154714.V2972@real-time.com> Quoting michael.arolan@excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com): > > Guys, > How can I (or how should I) set up the CLASSPATH variable in Redhat > Linux 7.2. Can I set up on an individual user basis? If I want all the > users to have the same classpath where would I set it up? > Thanks in advance. Look at Real Time's java project on sourceforge http://www.sf.net/projects/rte You can drop stuff into /etc/profile.d/ to setup the classpath, lots of examples on SF, but here is a quick on. #!/bin/bash JAVADIR=/usr/share/java for jar in jakarta-ant optional parser jakarta-ant-optional; do if [ x`echo $CLASSPATH | grep "/$jar.jar"` = "x" ]; then if [ -e $JAVADIR/$jar.jar ]; then export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:$JAVADIR/$jar.jar fi fi done -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 15:56:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76188@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yes, they will make you have phone service from them. Of course, > they'll also try to make you have call-waiting, caller-id, 3-way > calling, memory dialing, and every other "feature" they have. And if > you say you don't want them, they'll put it on anyway. Qwest need to > just go away. > > I have a cable modem, and it's not that bad. I can't host on it, but > download speeds are faster. Note that RoadRunner Business Cable isn't too much these days.. like $100/mo for 768/768 with a 16-ip subnet.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From erik at ehanson.net Tue Mar 12 16:04:01 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL References: Message-ID: <3C8E7B0C.57489E6E@ehanson.net> What is the web site for RoadRunner Business Cable? Thanks. -Erik Nate Carlson wrote: > > Note that RoadRunner Business Cable isn't too much these days.. like > $100/mo for 768/768 with a 16-ip subnet.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 16:09:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <3C8E7B0C.57489E6E@ehanson.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > What is the web site for RoadRunner Business Cable? You hafta call them to get info, as far as I can tell (one of my friends has it).. but www.mn.rr.com should get you started. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From wilson at isis.visi.com Tue Mar 12 16:50:02 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <20020312212131.GA10005@candle.dhs.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Nate Straz wrote: > If you switched to a Cable modem, you could dump Qwest. I'm spoiled by visi.com and the excellent ISP service I get from them. Also, I run some small-time Web sites and Mailman lists off the little server in my basement. I don't think it would be worth the $100/mo. for business class cable service. I'm guess I'm stuck for now. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 17:02:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture Message-ID: finally got a picture of gladiator for you guys: http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/gladiator.html more to come later :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From wlayer at attbi.com Tue Mar 12 17:04:01 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard drive light to multiple controllers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020308221003.4100bfbe.wlayer@attbi.com> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:31:24 -0600 (CST) Nate Carlson wrote: > Not exactly Linux related, but has to do with the new Gladiator. :) > > Once completed, we'll have 2 raid controllers, and the onboard IDE > controller, all with disks hooked up. Is it possible to hook up the one > single HD Activity light to all 3 sources? I don't know enough about > LED's to know if it's just safe to hook it up to all 3 sources at once, > or if that'll short something out. I'd put a little diode in series with the + of each line, then sum them all at the LED. Basic 1N4002 would be fine. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From amy at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 17:05:20 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod_ssl upgrade causes apache restart to fail In-Reply-To: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 09:12:43AM -0600 References: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020311083639.W4337@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 09:12:43AM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > I just upgraded mod_ssl and now apache fails when I try to start, with this > error: > > [root@mycroft atanner]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start > Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 269 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/libssl.so: undefined symbol: ENGINE_set_default > [FAILED] I ended up resolving this problem by backing out the upgrade and using up2date to install it. I'm still curious how to properly resolve library issues if I don't have up2date... -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From djb at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 12 17:06:36 2002 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting March 21 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. Next Meeting: Topic: Business Relevance of SANs Speaker: Todd Bichsel, Brocade Communications Systems Date/Time: March 21, 2002 7:00 pm Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) Synopsis: Todd Bichsel will discuss the Brocade network approach to Storage Area Networks (SANs) and the value proposition that Brocade brings to SANs, and will describe how SANs provide business continuance. About the Speaker: Todd Bichsel is a Support Engineer for Brocade in Minneapolis and has worked in the area of storage management for ten years. We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of the building. Tentative Meeting Schedule April 18, 2002 May 16, 2002 Directions: Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. - From the South (35W) Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the North (35W) Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the West (94/394) Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the East (94) Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your right. - Parking Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in front of the building along University Ave. - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/frames/framebody/pages/about/upp.htm For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies djb@colltech.com A Pencom Company djb@tc.umn.edu http://www.colltech.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 12 18:10:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woah! Linux Ported to Cisco 7600 / Catalyst 6509 Message-ID: <20020312181012.Q2972@real-time.com> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-03-12-012-20-PR-HW-NT http://www.ayrnetworks.com/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From idsfa at visi.com Tue Mar 12 19:11:01 2002 From: idsfa at visi.com (Michael Kellen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <200203122124.g2CLOHw25120@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200203122124.g2CLOHw25120@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1015981831.27075.2.camel@mitethe> On Tue, 2002-03-12, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm interested in dumping my Qwest land line and going completely > wireless for telephone service. Just make sure that the places from which you order delivery food will accept orders from wireless. Several places have refused orders called in on a cell phone in the past. -- $ fortune -m Kellen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020312/3b1e6118/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Mar 12 19:34:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod_ssl upgrade causes apache restart to fail In-Reply-To: <20020311083639.W4337@real-time.com> References: <20020308091242.P4337@real-time.com> <20020311083639.W4337@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020313013349.GA1401@sistina.com> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 08:36:40AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > >I ended up resolving this problem by backing out the upgrade and using >up2date to install it. I'm still curious how to properly resolve >library issues if I don't have up2date... apt-get -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020312/a87e20a7/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Mar 12 21:23:01 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > finally got a picture of gladiator for you guys: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/~natecars/gladiator.html > > more to come later :) Yeah, you're mean. I *knew* it was the one on the right -- that distinctive blue LED gave *that* much away. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Mar 12 22:27:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1015997233.3c8ee331880ad@dragon> Hey, Quoting David Dyer-Bennet : > Yeah, you're mean. I *knew* it was the one on the right -- that > distinctive blue LED gave *that* much away. Hey, you never know - it could've been my desktop. http://www.yaron.org/pic/casenall.jpg (I'd have turned the lights off all the way, but then Nate'd say I'm copying) -Yaron -- From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 12 23:31:01 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome2 Message-ID: <1015996433.31001.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a crash bug in bugzilla for gnome-panel2. This is almost as fun as the email conversations I had with Telsa Gwynn. :-) A warning...to anyone who feels like trying out Gnome2. Be careful, lots of things can crash. Specifically the panel and gdm2 and nautilus2. I got my computer into a state yesterday where it wouldn't start X...click ...click ...click ...click ...after trying a few things I decided it would be easier to do a full reinstall. Brady -----Forwarded Message----- From: bugzilla-daemon@widget.gnome.org To: gnome-panel-maint@bugzilla.gnome.org, bradyh@bitstream.net Subject: [Bug 73116] Changed - Gnome Panel2 Crashes on Startup Date: 12 Mar 2002 14:02:17 -0500 Please do not reply to this email- if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73116 Changed by louie@ximian.com. --- shadow/73116 Tue Mar 12 11:12:15 2002 +++ shadow/73116.tmp.7127 Tue Mar 12 14:02:16 2002 @@ -162,6 +162,9 @@ ------- Additional Comments From glynn.foster@sun.com 2002-03-12 11:12 ------- Okay, this doesn't really solve why g_path_get_basename (gconf_entry_get_key (entry)); is failing.....but at least it stops the crash. + +------- Additional Comments From louie@ximian.com 2002-03-12 14:02 ------- +glynn: is this possibly a gconf bug? Should we ask havoc? From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Mar 12 23:34:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture In-Reply-To: <1015997233.3c8ee331880ad@dragon> References: <1015997233.3c8ee331880ad@dragon> Message-ID: jethro@freakzilla.com writes: > Hey, > > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet : > > > Yeah, you're mean. I *knew* it was the one on the right -- that > > distinctive blue LED gave *that* much away. > > Hey, you never know - it could've been my desktop. > http://www.yaron.org/pic/casenall.jpg > > (I'd have turned the lights off all the way, but then Nate'd say I'm copying) Well, geez, if it's gonna be a picturefest, my mess is at http://www.dd-b.net/cgi-bin/picpage.cgi/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/too-much-stuff.jpg No decadent bourgeois blue light specials here! (Maybe next case) Of ocurse things aren't sitting in the same places anymore, exactly. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 13 00:45:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome2 In-Reply-To: <1015996433.31001.92.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:13:51PM -0600 References: <1015996433.31001.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020313004511.A8628@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:13:51PM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I've got a crash bug in bugzilla for gnome-panel2. This is almost as > fun as the email conversations I had with Telsa Gwynn. :-) Brings back memories of the bleeding-edge Gnome that left a very bad taste in my mouth way back when RedHat 6.0 first came out. After Gnome crashed a few times, I would delete the ~/.gnome-whatever directories in order to get the desktop back into a usable state (but losing all my customizations). Things got better in the next month or two, after half the RPMs in the system had been updated, but by then I had become hesitant to tweak anything on the desktop for fear of triggering a crash. Eventually, I dumped the Gnome desktop setup and started using WindowMaker. IMHO, releasing a crash-prone panel or gdm would be incredibly lame. Hopefully it gets fixed before the release of Gnome 2. Joel "the gnome-averse" From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Mar 13 06:55:01 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:34:01PM -0600 References: <1015997233.3c8ee331880ad@dragon> Message-ID: <20020313065452.A30921@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:34:01PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > jethro@freakzilla.com writes: > > > Hey, > > > > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet : > > > > > Yeah, you're mean. I *knew* it was the one on the right -- that > > > distinctive blue LED gave *that* much away. > > > > Hey, you never know - it could've been my desktop. > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/casenall.jpg > > > > (I'd have turned the lights off all the way, but then Nate'd say I'm copying) > > Well, geez, if it's gonna be a picturefest, my mess is at > http://www.dd-b.net/cgi-bin/picpage.cgi/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/too-much-stuff.jpg > > No decadent bourgeois blue light specials here! (Maybe next case) > > Of ocurse things aren't sitting in the same places anymore, exactly. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ That was an inspirational picture, David. I've decided to spend the next three hours cleaning my home office. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020313/3e80eda2/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Mar 13 09:37:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woah! Linux Ported to Cisco 7600 / Catalyst 6509 In-Reply-To: <20020312181012.Q2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-03-12-012-20-PR-HW-NT > http://www.ayrnetworks.com/ Yeah, it runs on quite a few other Cisco's too.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Mar 13 09:50:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Woah! Linux Ported to Cisco 7600 / Catalyst 6509 In-Reply-To: <20020312181012.Q2972@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 06:10:12PM -0600 References: <20020312181012.Q2972@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020313094943.B468@real-time.com> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 06:10:12PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.ayrnetworks.com/ yeah, sometime last year I saw the port of linux to Cisco routers (4000 series and higher) go across Freshmeat. dunno if this is exactly the same project; but it seems to be related. the bit that worries me about this company, is how closely they're keeping their source code, and how their white paper seems to be 'straddling the fence' with open & closed-source software. they talk a lot about integrating closed-source software with their linux distribution. I can understand where they're coming from; since they're probably a small company and it would be easy for Cisco (or some other competitor) to come along and undercut their technology. hopefully they aren't going to be problematic about their GPL obligations, like NuSphere and Abit were for a while. the paper is interesting where it discusses the differences between embedded routing OSes, and general-purpose UNIX routers. it's a pretty good argument and makes some sense of why Cisco is switching to x86-based boxes for their hardware lately. Linux probably has a way to go before it deals as well with a large number of interfaces, as IOS or some other OSes do; but at the moment it's reasonable to just throw more hardware at the problem (most of the time), since hardware is so ridiculously cheap these days. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Mar 13 12:44:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gladiator picture In-Reply-To: <20020313065452.A30921@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <1015997233.3c8ee331880ad@dragon> <20020313065452.A30921@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: Jim Kaufman writes: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:34:01PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > jethro@freakzilla.com writes: > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet : > > > > > > > Yeah, you're mean. I *knew* it was the one on the right -- that > > > > distinctive blue LED gave *that* much away. > > > > > > Hey, you never know - it could've been my desktop. > > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/casenall.jpg > > > > > > (I'd have turned the lights off all the way, but then Nate'd say I'm copying) > > > > Well, geez, if it's gonna be a picturefest, my mess is at > > http://www.dd-b.net/cgi-bin/picpage.cgi/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/too-much-stuff.jpg > > > > No decadent bourgeois blue light specials here! (Maybe next case) > > > > Of ocurse things aren't sitting in the same places anymore, exactly. > > That was an inspirational picture, David. I've decided to spend the next > three hours cleaning my home office. Happy to be of service! I'm doing the same, except it's what's *on* the disks that I'm cleaning. And I'm afraid it'll take more than 3 hours. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Wed Mar 13 12:50:02 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02031312395600.03243@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> On Tuesday 12 March 2002 15:56, you wrote: > Note that RoadRunner Business Cable isn't too much these days.. like > $100/mo for 768/768 with a 16-ip subnet.. If your talking about the Time Warner RoadRunner, I get over 2meg/s up and 2meg/s down, and I've only got the $40 service.... And if you get the Qwest Cell Service with your DSL, you can drop your land line, seeing as though the Qwest service is better than the other 3 I've tried in the last 9 months that I've lived here... Kinda funny how your wanting to drop your land line to go wireless, as I'm just droping my cell to get a land line.... And lemmie tell you why.... I've been getting sick of all of them screwing my bill over... AT&T charged me for minutes that should have been free, and I couldn't even get service 1/2 the time.... Voice Stream was another that couldn't provide service in many areas around the TCs... And with Qwest, like I said, have been the greatest so far, but for some reason, they dug up a phone bill from June of 2000 in my fiance's name (who's name the cell phone is in) and told us she has an $800 bill that was unpaid, I mean, c'mon, who wouldn't remember an $800 phone bill, and why would they let her get 2 cells, and 3 other phone lines in that same name? That's why I've dropped Cell service for a land line, and I think you should think twice about doing it the other way... Chris www.homelessirc.net From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 13 13:47:01 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub Message-ID: <1016045375.27529.80.camel@money> Hello all- I have a box that uses grub as the bootloader (ive always used lilo untill now). I had a dual boot, win2k, rh7.2 box. I recently re-did the rh install, and in a rush, i think i installed the boot stuff on the mbr instead of the first sector. So, now when i boot, my grub only has linux as the boot. Im guessing that its an easy fix to the grub.conf file, but i havent clue what I am doing with it. Anyone have anything to offer? Thanks From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Wed Mar 13 14:08:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub In-Reply-To: <1016045375.27529.80.camel@money> References: <1016045375.27529.80.camel@money> Message-ID: <02031313575200.03612@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Drop your win2k boot disk in, and tell it to boot from the harddrive, then after 2k loads, reboot without the disk to double check..... That's always been the quickest solution for me, and it works with grub and lilo..... Chris www.HomelessIRC.net On Wednesday 13 March 2002 12:49, you wrote: > Hello all- > > I have a box that uses grub as the bootloader (ive always used lilo > untill now). > > I had a dual boot, win2k, rh7.2 box. I recently re-did the rh install, > and in a rush, i think i installed the boot stuff on the mbr instead of > the first sector. So, now when i boot, my grub only has linux as the > boot. Im guessing that its an easy fix to the grub.conf file, but i > havent clue what I am doing with it. > > Anyone have anything to offer? > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Mar 13 14:09:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <02031312395600.03243@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Chris Dresel wrote: > If your talking about the Time Warner RoadRunner, I get over 2meg/s up > and 2meg/s down, and I've only got the $40 service.... That's residental service -- business class gives you static IP addresses, and permission to run services on the link. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Mar 13 14:18:01 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub Message-ID: <0000211403245807d2@[172.29.97.10]> >Drop your win2k boot disk in, and tell it to boot from the harddrive, then >after 2k loads, reboot without the disk to double check..... >That's always been the quickest solution for me, and it works with grub and >lilo..... Get yourself a 95 or 98 bootdisk with fdisk on it. Then fdisk /mbr IPC 2002 From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 13 14:27:02 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub In-Reply-To: <0000211403245807d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <0000211403245807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <1016047760.29634.142.camel@money> > > Get yourself a 95 or 98 bootdisk with fdisk on it. Then fdisk > /mbr thanks. did that. now it boots windoes (duh). How do i get it to use grub again? do i just follow a how-to install grub at this point? From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Mar 13 15:22:01 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub References: <1016045375.27529.80.camel@money> Message-ID: <3C8FC2F0.82B7368@stonel.com> Duncan, Grub on MBR should work. Config file is menu.lst usually located in hdx/boot/grub. Just edit file to add options. Note that grub counts partitions from zero. Mine resides on MBR, triple boots Win2K, Win95 and RH. Here is my menu.lst, edit as needed for your system: *** # This is the amount grub waits in seconds before booting the default entry # Use `0' if you're sure that the default entry is correct, and you # don't want to enter GRUB's user interface. timeout 4 # Tell which entry to boot by default. Note that this is origin zero # from the beginning of the file. default 0 # Note that to GRUB, all hard disks are `hd' and all floppy disks are `fd'. # To Mach, SCSI disks are `sd' and IDE type disks are `hd'. Use # GRUB names in the `root' command and prefixing filenames. Use a # Mach name as the `root' arg for the kernel, and whenever running the Hurd. # color white/blue blue/green # password xxx # Entry 0: Windoze 2000 title Legacy OS: Win2000 unhide (hd0,1) hide (hd0,2) rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 makeactive # Entry 1: Windoze 95 title Legacy OS: Win95 hide (hd0,1) unhide (hd0,2) rootnoverify (hd0,2) chainloader +1 makeactive # Entry 2: RedHat 7.1 title RedHat 7.1 root (hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.2-2 root=/dev/hda9 *** duncan wrote: > > Hello all- > > I have a box that uses grub as the bootloader (ive always used lilo > untill now). > > I had a dual boot, win2k, rh7.2 box. I recently re-did the rh install, > and in a rush, i think i installed the boot stuff on the mbr instead of > the first sector. So, now when i boot, my grub only has linux as the > boot. Im guessing that its an easy fix to the grub.conf file, but i > havent clue what I am doing with it. > > Anyone have anything to offer? > > Thanks From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 13 15:31:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with grub In-Reply-To: <1016047760.29634.142.camel@money> References: <0000211403245807d2@[172.29.97.10]> <1016047760.29634.142.camel@money> Message-ID: <20020313213033.GC17934@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:29:19PM -0600, duncan wrote: > thanks. did that. now it boots windoes (duh). How do i get it to use > grub again? do i just follow a how-to install grub at this point? Grab your rescue disc and boot the kernel to the root partition: boot: linux root=/dev/hda1 Next, since grub is installed on your machine, you may have a "help script" to make installing grub as the boot loader simple. If not, read the info docs (info docs are very informative, usually). There should be plenty of examples there for you to follow. Hint: check out /boot/grub/menu.lst for configuring the boot menu/images. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020313/4fc71eaf/attachment.pgp From doug.m at usablelogic.com Wed Mar 13 17:17:01 2002 From: doug.m at usablelogic.com (Douglas Mosman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I change eMail address? Message-ID: <3C8E93B7.3060701@usablelogic.com> ATnT, in their infinite wisdom, have given me the "opportunity" to change my eMail address. Can this be done or must I unsubscribe under the old eMail address and then resubscribe with the new one? Sorry if I missed the obvious but I couldn't find this on any of the TCLUG pages. -- Doug From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 13 17:54:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I change eMail address? In-Reply-To: <3C8E93B7.3060701@usablelogic.com>; from doug.m@usablelogic.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 05:48:07PM -0600 References: <3C8E93B7.3060701@usablelogic.com> Message-ID: <20020313175405.U26308@real-time.com> Quoting Douglas Mosman (doug.m@usablelogic.com): > ATnT, in their infinite wisdom, have given me the "opportunity" to > change my eMail address. > > Can this be done or must I unsubscribe under the old eMail address and > then resubscribe with the new one? > > Sorry if I missed the obvious but I couldn't find this on any of the > TCLUG pages. https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Mar 13 19:26:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts Message-ID: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> been wanting to know how to print fancy colors in shell scripts for about as long as I've seen Linux in use. I finally spent the time to figure it out. :) mind you, this is bash 2.05; not guaranteed to work anything like the same way, anywhere else. here's an example script: #!/bin/bash COLORS='\n \e[1mBold Text\e[m\n \e[4mUnderline Text\e[m\n \e[5mBlink Text\e[m\n \e[7mInverse Text\e[m\n Should be normal text \n Foreground colors: \e[0;30m30: Black\n \e[0;31m31: Red\n \e[0;32m32: Green\n \e[0;33m33: Yellow\Orange\n \e[0;34m34: Blue\n \e[0;35m35: Magenta\n \e[0;36m36: Cyan\n \e[0;37m37: Light Gray\Black\n \e[0;39m39: Default\n Bright foreground colors: \n \e[1;30m30: Dark Gray\n \e[1;31m31: Red\n \e[1;32m32: Green\n \e[1;33m33: Yellow\n \e[1;34m34: Blue\n \e[1;35m35: Magenta\n \e[1;36m36: Cyan\n \e[1;37m37: White\n \e[0;39m39: Default\n \e[mBackground colors: \n \e[40m40: Black\e[0;49m\n \e[41m41: Red\e[0;49m\n \e[42m42: Green\e[0;49m\n \e[43m43: Yellow\Orange\e[0;49m\n \e[44m44: Blue\e[0;49m\n \e[45m45: Magenta\e[0;49m\n \e[46m46: Cyan\e[0;49m\n \e[47m47: Light Gray\Black\e[0;49m\n \e[49m49: Default\e[m\n' echo -e $COLORS and for a command that sets brightness, text color, and background color; then resets it back to normal, try: echo -e '\e[1m\e[33m\e[44mBright Yellow on Blue!\e[m' Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 13 19:43:01 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts In-Reply-To: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> References: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> Message-ID: <0332a1438010e32FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> This is great stuff. Thanks! - Jared On Wednesday 13 March 2002 07:25 pm, you wrote: > been wanting to know how to print fancy colors in shell scripts for about > as long as I've seen Linux in use. > I finally spent the time to figure it out. :) > mind you, this is bash 2.05; not guaranteed to work anything like the same > way, anywhere else. > > here's an example script: > #!/bin/bash > COLORS='\n > \e[1mBold Text\e[m\n > \e[4mUnderline Text\e[m\n > \e[5mBlink Text\e[m\n > \e[7mInverse Text\e[m\n > Should be normal text \n > Foreground colors: > \e[0;30m30: Black\n > \e[0;31m31: Red\n > \e[0;32m32: Green\n > \e[0;33m33: Yellow\Orange\n > \e[0;34m34: Blue\n > \e[0;35m35: Magenta\n > \e[0;36m36: Cyan\n > \e[0;37m37: Light Gray\Black\n > \e[0;39m39: Default\n > Bright foreground colors: \n > \e[1;30m30: Dark Gray\n > \e[1;31m31: Red\n > \e[1;32m32: Green\n > \e[1;33m33: Yellow\n > \e[1;34m34: Blue\n > \e[1;35m35: Magenta\n > \e[1;36m36: Cyan\n > \e[1;37m37: White\n > \e[0;39m39: Default\n > \e[mBackground colors: \n > \e[40m40: Black\e[0;49m\n > \e[41m41: Red\e[0;49m\n > \e[42m42: Green\e[0;49m\n > \e[43m43: Yellow\Orange\e[0;49m\n > \e[44m44: Blue\e[0;49m\n > \e[45m45: Magenta\e[0;49m\n > \e[46m46: Cyan\e[0;49m\n > \e[47m47: Light Gray\Black\e[0;49m\n > \e[49m49: Default\e[m\n' > > echo -e $COLORS > > > and for a command that sets brightness, text color, and background color; > then resets it back to normal, try: > echo -e '\e[1m\e[33m\e[44mBright Yellow on Blue!\e[m' > > Carl Soderstrom. From gmcdavid at attbi.com Wed Mar 13 19:47:01 2002 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts In-Reply-To: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > been wanting to know how to print fancy colors in shell scripts for about as > long as I've seen Linux in use. > I finally spent the time to figure it out. :) > mind you, this is bash 2.05; not guaranteed to work anything like the same > way, anywhere else. > > here's an example script: > #!/bin/bash > COLORS='\n > \e[1mBold Text\e[m\n > \e[4mUnderline Text\e[m\n [...] There is nothing new under the sun :-)> . I remember doing the same thing, and I think with the same escape sequences, in DCL (Digital Command Language) on a VAX running VMS in the 1980's. IIRC, you could also do this in MS-DOS using ansi.sys. But thanks for listing all of these. Most of my old VAX documentation is lost, and I had been wanting to have such a list again. In these modern GUI days this sort of thing counts as arcane lore :-)> Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Mar 13 22:29:01 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound and KDE Message-ID: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com> I have installed an Aureal Vortex PCI sound card (au8810 chip set) in a machine that is running the latest version of Peanut Linux. When I run the sound setup it detects the au8810 chip set, but then it says that the cards not currently supported. I've tried modifying the modules configs, downloaded the au88xx rpm from peanut, and even played with frequence setting in KDE, but still no sound. I've only tried XMMS in KDE to play mp3's. Should I try a different sound card, or should I be able to get the Aureal one working? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jim Streit From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 13 23:02:40 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound and KDE In-Reply-To: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com>; from jimstreit@northlans.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:21:30PM -0600 References: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020313230201.A9072@joelschneider.net> Getting sound to work on linux can be a pain, especially on newer hardware. Being not too familiar with either the Aureal Vortex or Peanut linux, here are my half-hearted, shot-in-the-dark suggestions (Google is your friend ...). search for "au8810": http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=au8810 or maybe try "ALSA au8810": http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=ALSA+au8810 Joel On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:21:30PM -0600, Jim Streit wrote: > I have installed an Aureal Vortex PCI sound card (au8810 chip set) in a > machine that is running the latest version of Peanut Linux. > > When I run the sound setup it detects the au8810 chip set, but then it > says that the cards not currently supported. I've tried modifying the > modules configs, downloaded the au88xx rpm from peanut, and even played > with frequence setting in KDE, but still no sound. I've only tried XMMS > in KDE to play mp3's. > > Should I try a different sound card, or should I be able to get the > Aureal one working? Any help would be greatly appreciated. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 00:45:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator update Message-ID: <20020314004443.W17780@real-time.com> Thought I'd give everyone an update on gladiator. I wanted to do the install and security right. It's taken a lot longer then I thought. The box is together, pictures are taken, we just need to sync the installed packages with our kickstart stuff. I hope to have it back online late evening March 14th. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Thu Mar 14 02:33:00 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02031402225200.05535@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> My IP hasn't changed in 9 months, ever since I got the service.... And, like my old boot camp commander used to say, "It's better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission" Chris www.HomelessIRC.net On Wednesday 13 March 2002 14:08, you wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Chris Dresel wrote: > > If your talking about the Time Warner RoadRunner, I get over 2meg/s up > > and 2meg/s down, and I've only got the $40 service.... > > That's residental service -- business class gives you static IP addresses, > and permission to run services on the link. From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Thu Mar 14 02:36:07 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound and KDE In-Reply-To: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com> References: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <02031402263901.05535@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Did you have sound working with another card, or is this the first shot on this box? Chris www.HomelessIRC.net On Wednesday 13 March 2002 22:21, you wrote: > I have installed an Aureal Vortex PCI sound card (au8810 chip set) in a > machine that is running the latest version of Peanut Linux. > > When I run the sound setup it detects the au8810 chip set, but then it > says that the cards not currently supported. I've tried modifying the > modules configs, downloaded the au88xx rpm from peanut, and even played > with frequence setting in KDE, but still no sound. I've only tried XMMS > in KDE to play mp3's. > > Should I try a different sound card, or should I be able to get the > Aureal one working? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Jim Streit > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Mar 14 09:01:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anti-virus question Message-ID: <45532.204.220.56.6.1016118010.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> At my office I run Norton for Gateways to scan mail, and Norton Corporate to scan workstations for viruses. I need to find a Linux solution for our Church. I plan to use IPCop for the firewall, but am not aware of what (if anything) can provide the virus scanning. Maybe IPCop can be incorporated in this? Not sure. Any help would be appreciated. Raymond Norton LCTN 320-234-0270 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 14 09:29:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I change eMail address? In-Reply-To: <20020313175405.U26308@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 05:54:05PM -0600 References: <3C8E93B7.3060701@usablelogic.com> <20020313175405.U26308@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020314092838.C26335@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 05:54:05PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Douglas Mosman (doug.m@usablelogic.com): > > ATnT, in their infinite wisdom, have given me the "opportunity" to > > change my eMail address. > > > > Can this be done or must I unsubscribe under the old eMail address and > > then resubscribe with the new one? > > > > Sorry if I missed the obvious but I couldn't find this on any of the > > TCLUG pages. > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list/ I don't see anything on that page which answers Doug's question, so... No, Doug, Mailman (currently) has no concept of users aside from their email addresses. In order to change your address you have to unsubscribe the old address and subscribe the new one. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Mar 14 09:37:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts In-Reply-To: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:25:45PM -0600 References: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020314093638.D9072@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:25:45PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > been wanting to know how to print fancy colors in shell scripts for about as > long as I've seen Linux in use. > I finally spent the time to figure it out. :) > mind you, this is bash 2.05; not guaranteed to work anything like the same > way, anywhere else. I think the coloring of text is influenced more by the way your tty (xterm, aterm, eterm, rxvt ...) is set up than the particular shell you're using. > here's an example script: Thanks for sharing this. Could come in handy some day. Joel From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Mar 14 10:33:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anti-virus question In-Reply-To: <45532.204.220.56.6.1016118010.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <45532.204.220.56.6.1016118010.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1016123856.10350.4152.camel@Dart-83_linux> I know that Real-Time has a solution that we are using here. On the gateway we use mimedefang (www.roaringpenguin.com) to scan all incoming and outgoing e-mail. It uses the virus definitions from McAfee and does a very nice job (better than the NT McAfee that we were using, which would periodically let stuff through :( ). Whether or not it plays nicely with IPCop, I don't know. It probably would require a second machine, since IPCop requires you to dedicate a machine :( Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 fax On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 09:00, admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > At my office I run Norton for Gateways to scan mail, and Norton Corporate > to scan workstations for viruses. I need to find a Linux solution for our > Church. I plan to use IPCop for the firewall, but am not aware of what (if > anything) can provide the virus scanning. Maybe IPCop can be incorporated > in this? Not sure. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu Mar 14 13:07:00 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anti-virus question References: <45532.204.220.56.6.1016118010.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <3C90F4B9.4080602@cruiskeen.com> I've used mailscanner in the past - it does require that you use one of the commercial virus scanner products that run on linux - mcafee or Sophos or some such http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/ admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > At my office I run Norton for Gateways to scan mail, and Norton Corporate > to scan workstations for viruses. I need to find a Linux solution for our > Church. I plan to use IPCop for the firewall, but am not aware of what (if > anything) can provide the virus scanning. Maybe IPCop can be incorporated > in this? Not sure. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doug.m at usablelogic.com Thu Mar 14 13:53:01 2002 From: doug.m at usablelogic.com (Douglas Mosman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do I change eMail address? References: <3C8E93B7.3060701@usablelogic.com> <20020313175405.U26308@real-time.com> <20020314092838.C26335@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3C910034.1030601@usablelogic.com> Thanks Dave, I suspected as much but didn't want to miss the obvious. (apparently Bob forgot to RTFM before he responded :) ) Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 05:54:05PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>Quoting Douglas Mosman (doug.m@usablelogic.com): >> >>>ATnT, in their infinite wisdom, have given me the "opportunity" to >>>change my eMail address. >>> >>>Can this be done or must I unsubscribe under the old eMail address and >>>then resubscribe with the new one? >>> >>>Sorry if I missed the obvious but I couldn't find this on any of the >>>TCLUG pages. >>> >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list/ >> > > I don't see anything on that page which answers Doug's question, > so... > > No, Doug, Mailman (currently) has no concept of users aside from > their email addresses. In order to change your address you have to > unsubscribe the old address and subscribe the new one. > > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 14:46:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anti-virus question In-Reply-To: <3C90F4B9.4080602@cruiskeen.com>; from shanson@cruiskeen.com on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:06:33PM -0600 References: <45532.204.220.56.6.1016118010.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <3C90F4B9.4080602@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <20020314144603.F443@real-time.com> Quoting Steve Hanson (shanson@cruiskeen.com): > I've used mailscanner in the past - it does require that you use one of > the commercial virus scanner products that run on linux - mcafee or > Sophos or some such > > http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/ Nate has been testing MIMEDefang, I'll let him comment. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 16:20:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator update In-Reply-To: <20020314004443.W17780@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Thought I'd give everyone an update on gladiator. > > I wanted to do the install and security right. It's taken a lot longer > then I thought. > > The box is together, pictures are taken, we just need to sync the > installed packages with our kickstart stuff. > > I hope to have it back online late evening March 14th. Gladiator's back online. Note that the rsync stuff is probably way out of date; so it may take a while to catch up to the current versions of everything. As we've upgraded to iptables and such, please let me know if you have problems ftp'ing to it. I've tested it with both pasv and active, and both work, but I'm not always the greatest tester. :) Also, for those of you who maintain distro's on there and have ssh access, the host key has changed -- don't worry about it when it complains. Below are some stats: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 5 model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 398.276 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr bogomips : 794.62 $ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127184 49520 77664 0 6820 19020 -/+ buffers/cache: 23680 103504 Swap: 136544 0 136544 $ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 19G 1.2G 16G 7% / /dev/ftp_vg/ftp_array 873G 159G 715G 19% /var/ftp none 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm here's results from a bonnie++ test of 100gb: Version 1.02a ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP gladiator 100000M 5252 97 10574 15 8530 12 5033 96 34873 21 78.7 1 ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 370 95 +++++ +++ 24256 100 409 97 +++++ +++ 1842 95 gladiator,100000M,5252,97,10574,15,8530,12,5033,96,34873,21,78.7,1,16,370,95,+++++,+++,24256,100,409,97,+++++,+++,1842,95 Enjoy the space. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 16:26:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anti-virus question In-Reply-To: <20020314144603.F443@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Nate has been testing MIMEDefang, I'll let him comment. MIMEDefang works pretty well, and ties directly into Sendmail's Milter API, where the rest of 'em don't and are (imho) cheap hacks. One nice thing about mimedefang is you catch all incoming, outgoing, and relayed messages for sure. It's also multithreaded, so it's a bit quicker for the actual processing if it doesn't have to launch the viirus scanner. URL: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/ (I love that domain!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 16:59:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org is online Message-ID: <20020314165847.L17780@real-time.com> ftp.mn-linux.org is back online. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Mar 14 17:05:05 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > Gladiator's back online. Woo hoo! You Real Time folks rock. Thanks for the upgrade! > Note that the rsync stuff is probably way out of date; so it may take a > while to catch up to the current versions of everything. How long until they are *Nsync? (couldn't resist) Again, thanks for all the hard work you put into this. -Brian From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 17:10:02 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts In-Reply-To: <20020314093638.D9072@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:36:38AM -0600 References: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> <20020314093638.D9072@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020314170928.E6264@real-time.com> > I think the coloring of text is influenced more by the way your tty > (xterm, aterm, eterm, rxvt ...) is set up than the particular shell > you're using. that too. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 17:14:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator update In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:19:30PM -0600 References: <20020314004443.W17780@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020314171339.F6264@real-time.com> > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 6 > model : 5 > model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) > stepping : 1 > cpu MHz : 398.276 note that this is actually a different motherboard we took from another box. the one we had in there, wouldn't deal nicely with 2 of the Promise Supertrak controllers at the same time. :( it's not like we actually *needed* 700MHz most of the time... a P2-400 should be just fine. > $ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 19G 1.2G 16G 7% / > /dev/ftp_vg/ftp_array > 873G 159G 715G 19% /var/ftp > none 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm note that when this thing fscks (even with journaling FSes, it has to be done occasionally), it takes *hours*. like about 2 1/2. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 17:16:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator update In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:05:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020314171537.O17780@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > How long until they are *Nsync? (couldn't resist) > > Again, thanks for all the hard work you put into this. This depends on how much data (no idea) and bandwidth official mirrors give us. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 14 17:18:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fancy colors in bash scripts In-Reply-To: ; from gmcdavid@attbi.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:46:15PM -0600 References: <20020313192545.B17477@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020314171659.G6264@real-time.com> > There is nothing new under the sun :-)> . I remember doing the same > thing, and I think with the same escape sequences, in DCL (Digital Command > Language) on a VAX running VMS in the 1980's. my VMS experience was mostly on vt420 amber-screens. not much room for color (other than amber) there. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Mar 14 18:06:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sophos install problem Message-ID: <5888.204.220.56.6.1016150745.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I'm getting the following error when I install Sophos. I edited /etc/profile, but must not have done it right, since I keep getting the same error. I would appreciate pointers on what files are supposed to be edited, and the exact syntax to use. ===> Installing manual pages sweep.1 copied to /usr/local/Sophos/man/man1/sweep.1 ===> Checking paths are accessible Warning: $PATH does not include /usr/local/Sophos/bin To run Sophos Anti-Virus you need to set environment variable $PATH so that it includes /usr/local/Sophos/bin. Library path is OK Manual path is OK Some environment variables may need to be set on your system. To make these settings permanent, add them to your login script or profile; to make these settings systemwide, amend /etc/login or /etc/profile. ===> Installation complete <=== Fetching latest IDE virus identities from www.sophos.com Done. Raymond Norton From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Mar 14 22:12:00 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound and KDE Message-ID: <200203150404.g2F44pO21643@linuxserver.northlans.com> First try with this box. I had Winidows 98 on it before and the card worked fine. > Did you have sound working with another card, or is this the first shot on > this box? > > Chris > www.HomelessIRC.net > > On Wednesday 13 March 2002 22:21, you wrote: > > I have installed an Aureal Vortex PCI sound card (au8810 chip set) in a > > machine that is running the latest version of Peanut Linux. From mcolivier at earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 00:19:01 2002 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make and makefile Message-ID: hello. I'm attempting to work with MySQL, and I'm reading stuff about C API or DBI (I forget the acronyms). Anyway, there's a section on my reading about creating a makefile to build programs. It looks more complicated than just typing out 'gcc' in front of the source file name. The example given is as follows: ===================================== # excerpt from book MySQL, by Paul DuBois, (2000) page 224 CC=gcc INCLUDES = -I/usr/local/include/mysql #-I is capital i LIBS = L/usr/local/lib/myql -lmysqlclient all: myclient main.o: main.c myclient.h $(CC) -c $(INCLUDES) main.c aux.o: aux.c myclient.h $(CC) -c $(INCLUDES) aux.c myclient: main.o aux.o $(CC) -o myclient main.o aux.o $(LIBS) clean: rm -f myclient main.o aux.o ======================================= My question is, I don't know what the author is saying. Where did main.o and aux.o come from? What is CC=gcc, and why is it shown like this? Finally, what is make, what is makefile, and what's the difference between the two? I have a commercial C/C++ package (Watcom) which does the make stuff via a button. If I do a makefile on this (which runs on a Windows platform) will resulting program work on a Linux platform? Marc Olivier From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 15 00:36:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make and makefile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020315063553.GA452@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:31:11AM -0600, mcolivier wrote: > hello. > I'm attempting to work with MySQL, and I'm reading stuff about C API or DBI > (I forget the acronyms). Anyway, there's a section on my reading about > creating a makefile to build programs. It looks more complicated than just > typing out 'gcc' in front of the source file name. florin@bear:/usr/local/src/linux-2.4-xfs$ find . -name "*.c" | wc -l 4716 florin@bear:/usr/local/src/linux-2.4-xfs$ find . -name "*.o" | wc -l 641 Guess what? When you type make in the linux directory, it goes about and compiles the 641 out of 4716 .c files. Do you think you can "simply" do that with gcc $sourcefile? > The example given is as > follows: > ===================================== > # excerpt from book MySQL, by Paul DuBois, (2000) page 224 > CC=gcc > INCLUDES = -I/usr/local/include/mysql #-I is capital i > LIBS = L/usr/local/lib/myql -lmysqlclient > > all: myclient > > main.o: main.c myclient.h > $(CC) -c $(INCLUDES) main.c > aux.o: aux.c myclient.h > $(CC) -c $(INCLUDES) aux.c > > myclient: main.o aux.o > $(CC) -o myclient main.o aux.o $(LIBS) > > clean: > rm -f myclient main.o aux.o > ======================================= > My question is, I don't know what the author is saying. Where did main.o and > aux.o come from? What is CC=gcc, and why is it shown like this? Finally, what > is make, what is makefile, and what's the difference between the two? I have > a commercial C/C++ package (Watcom) which does the make stuff via a button. > If I do a makefile on this (which runs on a Windows platform) will resulting > program work on a Linux platform? When you "simply" compile a source file you get an object file (or some errors). The convention is to replace the extension with ".o" unless told otherwise. CC=gcc it's just a variable assignment. If you move this to a different platform, you can say CC=wcc and compile it with... Watcom. "make" is an expert system that maintains groups of files described by rules written in files called makefiles. The rules are of form: A: B C D prepare_A_from_B_C_D The rules are invoked whenever the dependents are older than the objects they are dependent on (as observed by comparing timestamps). Now the only way to answer all those questions in a coherent and complete manner is to go to a bookstore and purchase a book about software development on UNIX/Linux. Also note that Watcom compilers come with wmake which does the same thing as make. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020315/c0f03168/attachment.pgp From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Mar 15 07:04:01 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make and makefile In-Reply-To: ; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:31:11AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020315070334.A3130@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:31:11AM -0600, mcolivier wrote: [sample makefile snipped] > My question is, I don't know what the author is saying. Dude, that's not a question! :-) > Where did main.o and aux.o come from? The .o files were built via the rules that show how to build them from the .c and .h source files. > What is CC=gcc, and why is it shown like this? It sets the variable $(CC) to the value "gcc". This is useful if you need to change the compiler you're using. > Finally, what is make, what is makefile, and what's the > difference between the two? "make" is a utility program, and a makefile is what you give "make" to tell it what to do. In short a makefile is a set of rules that tells make what to build and how. For example, the rule: foo.o: foo.c foo.h gcc -c foo.c says "foo.o" depends on foo.c and foo.h. If the timestamp on foo.h or foo.c is more recent than foo.o, I need to rebuild foo.o via the command "gcc -c foo.c". For more/better documentation see: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/make.html > I have a commercial C/C++ package (Watcom) which does the make > stuff via a button. If I do a makefile on this (which runs on > a Windows platform) will resulting program work on a Linux > platform? Beats all hell out of me. My guess is no -- my experience on the win32 platform says that they have their own incompatible make system (nmake). Could be OK though. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 15 10:52:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make and makefile Message-ID: You can read this book for more about "make" also: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/make2/ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 15 11:28:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make and makefile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020315172722.GC2008@wookimus.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 10:50:29AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > You can read this book for more about "make" also: > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/make2/ Better yet. Make sure the make info docs are installed on your system. If it didn't get installed with your 'make' package, it might be in 'make-doc' or 'make-dev'; something resembling that. Then, type info 'make'. You should get the GNU Make manual. It explains make very well. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You should get the GNU Make manual. It explains make very well. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Mar 15 12:27:33 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020315122622.A5329@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Are there better viewers for info manuals? Yeah, info sucks. I use pinfo, which is marginally more navigable. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From gsker at tcfreenet.org Fri Mar 15 12:39:35 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020315123429.I41883-100000@tcfreenet.org> If you've got a graphical screen, I just discovered that the gnome help browser reads info files. In RedHat I had to set the path to the info files to include /usr/share/info, but after that they all showed up. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Are there better viewers for info manuals? From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Mar 15 13:12:01 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020315131121.B1466@knicknack.net> If you use KDE, it's help utility can view info pages as well as man pages and the native KDE doc format (which is probably html). Eric On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Are there better viewers for info manuals? > > It may be that I like LCD (lowest common > denominator) interfaces when I feel a lack > of information coming on: > > % man > > > > > > > > i.e. "I'm just a simple cave man. I find your > 'info' using ways frightening and strange...". > > ;-) > > Seriously, I don't like the command line > info viewer. Is there a better option (especially > for the command line), or should I just "suck it > up and stop complaining". > > TIA, > > Troy > > >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/15/02 11:27AM >>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 10:50:29AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > ... > Then, type info 'make'. You should get the GNU Make manual. It > explains make very well. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Eric From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Mar 15 13:17:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020315191659.GB4153@sistina.com> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > i.e. "I'm just a simple cave man. I find your >'info' using ways frightening and strange...". pinfo is better IMHO http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pborys/ -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020315192934.GE2008@wookimus.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Are there better viewers for info manuals? > > It may be that I like LCD (lowest common > denominator) interfaces when I feel a lack > of information coming on: > > % man Sounds like you're confusing info files and manpages. manpages are written in a format called troff. info files are written in texinfo and compiled into an info format. The document format isn't the only place they differ, however. info docs have cross-referencing markup capabilities. 'makeinfo', the tool, can compile the texinfo source file and output info, tex, html, and xml. The texinfo document format is very useful, indeed. manpages are typically viewed with 'man' and info pages are view with 'info'. 'info' can also view manpages, but it allows you to use the "See also" references as crossreferences. It allows you to jump from one manpage to another, giving it a browser aspect rather than an exclusive command line tool. Although console based, 'info' is far better than 'man', IMHO. When availble, I sometimes realias 'man' to 'info'. If you want graphical stuff, you're talking to the wrong wookie. There is a pretty neat info2www CGI script, though. Makes web browsing through help docs fairly painless. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Never :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 15 13:33:00 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more silly shell tricks Message-ID: <20020315133240.E28026@real-time.com> here's how you write a 'spinner'. #!/bin/bash progress=0 while [ $progress -lt 10 ]; do progress=$(($progress+1)) [ "$progress" -ge "4" ] && progress=0 [ "$progress" -eq "0" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t/" [ "$progress" -eq "1" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t-" [ "$progress" -eq "2" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\\" [ "$progress" -eq "3" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t|" sleep 1 done echo '' if processing files, one can use a 'for' loop in place of the 'while' loop above, and turn the spinner one position for each file that gets processed. like: for filename in $listofnames; do progress=$(($progress+1)) [ "$progress" -ge "4" ] && progress=0 [ "$progress" -eq "0" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t/" [ "$progress" -eq "1" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t-" [ "$progress" -eq "2" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\\" [ "$progress" -eq "3" ] && echo -en "\r\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t|" done Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dante at plethora.net Fri Mar 15 14:01:02 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020315192934.GE2008@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > Are there better viewers for info manuals? > > > > It may be that I like LCD (lowest common > > denominator) interfaces when I feel a lack > > of information coming on: > > > > % man apropos I find searching Info pages to be clumsy, but there may be tools out there that I am unfamiliar with. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 15 15:00:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile Message-ID: >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/15/02 01:29PM >>> >On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:15:01PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: >> % man >Sounds like you're confusing info files and manpages. No, I was trying to express how braindead I sometimes feel when I look for help. 'man' is braindead, so it works for me at those times, and so is my preferred help medium. 'info' says "learn my keymap" just when I want to be learning something else. I might change my opinion if I took the time to learn the keymap. If I did, I would probably alias 'man' to 'info' too. Thanks for the information on info page format because I do find that stuff interesting. I'll give 'pinfo' a try and set up the 'Gnome Help' browser to see them too. Gerry, is it the MANPATH environment variable that must be adjusted, or a Gnome setting? Thank you much to everyone, Troy From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 15 16:56:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH v.s. ASH: Who is more POSIX? Message-ID: <20020315225550.GG2008@wookimus.net> OK. I decided to do a little test with BASH and ASH scripts to compare them. I was having problems passing some variables to a function(), so this is what I came up with. #!/bin/sh -e blah=1 blee=2 fcn_echo() { echo "blah=$blah blee=$blee" } fcn_echo blah=a fcn_echo blah=b fcn_echo blah=c ; fcn_echo Here's the output: [16:51:30] chad@cyan (521)$ bash blah.sh blah=1 blee=2 blah=a blee=2 blah=b blee=2 blah=c blee=2 [16:52:22] chad@cyan (522)$ bash --posix blah.sh blah=1 blee=2 blah=a blee=2 blah=b blee=2 blah=b blee=2 [16:52:36] chad@cyan (523)$ ash blah.sh blah=1 blee=2 blah=a blee=2 blah=b blee=2 blah=c blee=2 (Yes, the blee variable was extraneous.) Check out how bash changes its behavior. ash claims to be the /most/ POSIX compliant sh interpretor. Why, then, does bash change its output when invoked with the --posix switch (or when called as /bin/sh)? Ugh, what other BASH'isms or ASH'isms do we have to worry about?! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020315/058e79f1/attachment.pgp From jerdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Mar 15 17:17:01 2002 From: jerdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [Cedarlug] Shameless Linux Video] Message-ID: <3C91FD08.70406@securecomputing.com> This was on my home town LUG list and I thought others might find it entertaining here. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Seth H. Bokelman" Subject: [Cedarlug] Shameless Linux Video Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:15:52 -0600 Size: 3382 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020315/cdd8eb11/CedarlugShamelessLinuxVideo.mht From kasin at sdksoft.com Fri Mar 15 22:20:01 2002 From: kasin at sdksoft.com (kasi Viswanath.Nukala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2033 - 15 msgs References: <200203150637.g2F6b6w24404@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <009f01c1cba5$7208b460$0401a8c0@kashiviswanath> hi > My question is, I don't know what the author is saying. Where did main.o = and=20 > aux.o come from? What is CC=3Dgcc, and why is it shown like this? Finally= , what=20 > is make, what is makefile, and what's the difference between the two? I h= ave=20 > a commercial C/C++ package (Watcom) which does the make stuff via a butto= n.=20 > If I do a makefile on this (which runs on a Windows platform) will result= ing=20 > program work on a Linux platform?=20 man make cheers k.v.n From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Mar 16 00:08:00 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs Message-ID: rm -rf is a great utility. Unless, of course, you're in the wrong directory. And so I ask, how can I go about recovering a directory that became victim to the almighty rm -rf? Some of the files have probably been overwritten, but I'm talking about 6 GB+ of files that were deleted. Since it's on the /home partition, I can only assume that < 1 MB of data has been written to the partition. In theory, the deleted inodes should still be out there. Are there any methods/utilities that can help me? -Brian From florin at iucha.net Sat Mar 16 01:58:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020316075751.GA456@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:54:38PM -0600, Brian wrote: > rm -rf is a great utility. Unless, of course, you're in the wrong > directory. And so I ask, how can I go about recovering a directory that > became victim to the almighty rm -rf? B*A*C*K*U*P Sorry to editorialize, especially in a moment like this but this is why I was preaching: - separate your $HOME stuff in $REALLY_HOME and $MP[3G]S_AND_OTHER_CRAP, where $REALLY_HOME is less than 640 Megs (guess why) - backup each accordingly, like $REALLY_HOME once every other day (use one good quality CD-R once a day and crap from 100/spindle the rest of the week... if it fails - you can live with it) and $OTHER_STUFF when you add something new And if you tell me that you have had 6 gigs of $REALLY_HOME critical stuff that you haven't backed up, please allow me to not believe it. > Some of the files have probably been overwritten, but I'm talking about 6 > GB+ of files that were deleted. Since it's on the /home partition, I can > only assume that < 1 MB of data has been written to the partition. In > theory, the deleted inodes should still be out there. Are there any > methods/utilities that can help me? In theory data is there, but metadata is gone. Dump that partition into a file in a spare partition/hdd and analyze it later. But if it's binary data... slim chance. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020316/acf50b31/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Mar 16 02:11:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:54:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020316021036.E9812@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:54:38PM -0600, Brian wrote: > rm -rf is a great utility. Unless, of course, you're in the wrong > directory. And so I ask, how can I go about recovering a directory that > became victim to the almighty rm -rf? > > Some of the files have probably been overwritten, but I'm talking about 6 > GB+ of files that were deleted. Since it's on the /home partition, I can > only assume that < 1 MB of data has been written to the partition. In > theory, the deleted inodes should still be out there. Are there any > methods/utilities that can help me? Maybe. You could try The Coroner's Toolkit (TCT): http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html The TCT FAQ also refers to a "Linux Ext2fs Undeletion mini-HOWTO": http://www.praeclarus.demon.co.uk/tech/e2-undel/howto.txt Joel From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Mar 16 10:22:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs In-Reply-To: <20020316075751.GA456@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > B*A*C*K*U*P Lucky for me, this wasn't important data. As you can probably guess, it's my entire MP3 collection and some other misc crap. Oh well, guess a few more months of ripping for me. > > Sorry to editorialize, especially in a moment like this but this is why > I was preaching: > - separate your $HOME stuff in $REALLY_HOME and > $MP[3G]S_AND_OTHER_CRAP, where $REALLY_HOME is less than 640 Megs > (guess why) I have a 2GB DDS drive. Hindsight is 20/10. > And if you tell me that you have had 6 gigs of $REALLY_HOME critical > stuff that you haven't backed up, please allow me to not believe it. well, as a sysadmin I should be shot. Like I said, it's just MP3s ripped from my CD collection that I really care about. > In theory data is there, but metadata is gone. Dump that partition into > a file in a spare partition/hdd and analyze it later. But if it's binary > data... slim chance. yeah, I doubt MP3 is easy to recover this way. Well, now for a nice fun weekend.. :-) From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Sat Mar 16 10:43:01 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice about device filesystem Message-ID: <15507.30205.580925.614806@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I'm trying to build a headless mp3 jukebox and have the thing almost all assembled, but I'm confused about how the sound devices work. When I try to remotely login (ssh) to the jukebox, my attempts to play sound files all fail, and the /dev/dsp that is there when I run from the console is missing. Normally, it's a link to /dev/sound/dsp. Trying to give mpg123 /dev/sound/dsp doesn't work any better. I have a vague memory that the way one logs in affects the nature of the devices, but don't know where to track this down. Doesn't seem to be covered in the sound howto, possibly because it's distro-specific. The jukebox is a Mandrake 8.1 box. There are two sound cards, a crummy on-board one and a nice CM8738 (thanks to Jay Austad's recommendation). As I said, the sound works just fine when I run mpg123 from the console. from a remote terminal, I just get audio: no such file or directory. A simple pointer to a place where I can RTFM would be great. I should probably grovel over the mpg123 source, but I was hoping someone might have a quick answer. Thanks, R From esper at sherohman.org Sat Mar 16 11:00:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:24:14PM -0600 References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:24:14PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > never tried pinfo; maybe I will sometime. Your feelings about pinfo will probably be the same as your feelings about lynx, since that's where pinfo stole its keybindings from. > my solution when confronted with a man page that says 'see the info > documentation' is to curse the doco author, Stallman, and emacs users in > general, and then go look elsewhere for docs. You mean I'm not the only one who does that? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Mar 16 11:43:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 10:59:40AM -0600 References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 10:59:40AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > my solution when confronted with a man page that says 'see the info > > documentation' is to curse the doco author, Stallman, and emacs users in > > general, and then go look elsewhere for docs. > > You mean I'm not the only one who does that? Wow. Maybe there should be a support group for info-torture victims. I also dislike info and wouldn't mind if it were replaced with a more widely used hypertext format such as HTML (or maybe DocBook SGML). Joel From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Sat Mar 16 12:15:02 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <15507.35753.673530.329306@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JS" == Joel Schneider writes: JS> On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 10:59:40AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >> > my solution when confronted with a man page that says 'see the info >> > documentation' is to curse the doco author, Stallman, and emacs users in >> > general, and then go look elsewhere for docs. >> >> You mean I'm not the only one who does that? JS> Wow. Maybe there should be a support group for info-torture victims. JS> I also dislike info and wouldn't mind if it were replaced with a more JS> widely used hypertext format such as HTML (or maybe DocBook SGML). Is this really such a big deal? texinfo is a pretty basic info format --- it can easily be made to dump to html. R From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Sat Mar 16 12:30:02 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more mpg123 problems Message-ID: <15507.36623.720604.472424@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I think I've got my first problem fixed (about the devices). But now I find that xmms is perfectly happy with my sound files, but mpg123 is not. It just gives me all kinds of unpleasant messages like: mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 984 bits! [zillions of these, with various numbers substituted for 984] and big_values too large! and finally Blocktype == 0 and window-switching == 1 not allowed. Any clues about what's going wrong? thx, R From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Mar 16 12:43:00 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 and TrueType fonts Message-ID: <1016304173.4765.19.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Anybody got truetype fonts working in Mozilla 0.9.9? Support is supposed to be built in (and NS_FONT_DEBUG did not kick out any errors), but I followed the directions at the mozilla website ( http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fonts/unix/enabling_truetype.html ) and got nothing. I am using the RedHat 7.x rpm available at mozilla.org (running on Mandrake 8.1 -- I use the RedHat rpm to avoid libpng issues). I have libfreetype.so.6, in /usr/lib, so I think it should be in the standard library path :-) According to the instructions, I should be able to set my preferences to fonts which "begin with a capital letter". I don't see any font names like that, however I am seeing a few fonts which I know only exist on my system in TTF form. But when I select them, they do not appear anti-aliased. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSA, MCSE, CCNA for you are crunchy, Business Solutions Group, LLC and good with ketchup. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe there should be a support group for info-torture victims. > I also dislike info and wouldn't mind if it were replaced with a more > widely used hypertext format such as HTML (or maybe DocBook SGML). I think you like the contents but dilike info _presentation_ I suppose. Texinfo can generate HTML output. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe there should be a support group for info-torture victims. > > I also dislike info and wouldn't mind if it were replaced with a more > > widely used hypertext format such as HTML (or maybe DocBook SGML). > > I think you like the contents but dilike info _presentation_ I suppose. > > Texinfo can generate HTML output. Actually, I've also been annoyed by the _contents_ of man pages that have a "SEE ALSO" section that says "The full documentation for xyz is maintained as a Texinfo manual. [...] info xyz should give you access to the complete manual.", then I go look at the info entry and it contains the same information as the man page, only broken up into about 5-10 different sections. Not a stellar "SEE ALSO" recommendation. Thanks info, I really wanted to comb through all that cr*p twice. Joel From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Mar 16 18:17:00 2002 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: make and makefile Message-ID: Thank you to those of ?you who responded. I did try to find documentation from the system, but Suse 7.3 does things differently (for example, the man pages found with Konquerer are all blank,...) and I'm still having trouble understanding what I do find (how-to pages). I will try the books (O'Reilly, et al). Thanks again. From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Mar 16 23:12:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script Message-ID: <37789.204.220.56.6.1016341862.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> A while back I got help modifying an iptable script that gave Internet access to my private LAN, and allowed me to make FTP connections and downloads to public servers. My RedHat box had to be re installed and I lost the script. I am new enough that I don't know what to look for that meets my needs. I would appreciate it if someone could send me one, or point me to a link. My present script let's me connect to an FTP server, but I can't see any folders, and it errors out after a bit. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 2 Centry Av Hutchinson, MN. 320-234-0270 From feist at borg.umn.edu Sat Mar 16 23:19:01 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script In-Reply-To: <37789.204.220.56.6.1016341862.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 12:11:02AM -0500 References: <37789.204.220.56.6.1016341862.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020316231829.A4628@borg.umn.edu> The problem your seeing is probably due to issues with setting up the data part of the ftp connection. Since you can get to the ftp server you must have outbound port 21 open, to get passive ftp to work (which is the default with many ftp clients these days and more secure) just open up outbound port 20. If you're still having problems send the iptables script that you have and I'll show you what you need to change. Chris On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 12:11:02AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > A while back I got help modifying an iptable script that gave Internet > access to my private LAN, and allowed me to make FTP connections and > downloads to public servers. My RedHat box had to be re installed and I > lost the script. I am new enough that I don't know what to look for that > meets my needs. I would appreciate it if someone could send me one, or > point me to a link. My present script let's me connect to an FTP server, > but I can't see any folders, and it errors out after a bit. > > > Thanks in advance > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 2 Centry Av > Hutchinson, MN. > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at Jentges.NET Sun Mar 17 01:14:01 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice about device filesystem In-Reply-To: <15507.30205.580925.614806@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Are there any path/user/permissions differences in your console login vs. the remote login? Anything in the logs, good or bad? Might as well start with the easy stuff. :) Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > I'm trying to build a headless mp3 jukebox and have the thing almost > all assembled, but I'm confused about how the sound devices work. > > When I try to remotely login (ssh) to the jukebox, my attempts to play > sound files all fail, and the /dev/dsp that is there when I run from > the console is missing. Normally, it's a link to /dev/sound/dsp. > Trying to give mpg123 /dev/sound/dsp doesn't work any better. > > I have a vague memory that the way one logs in affects the nature of > the devices, but don't know where to track this down. Doesn't seem to > be covered in the sound howto, possibly because it's distro-specific. > > The jukebox is a Mandrake 8.1 box. There are two sound cards, a > crummy on-board one and a nice CM8738 (thanks to Jay Austad's > recommendation). > > As I said, the sound works just fine when I run mpg123 from the > console. from a remote terminal, I just get > > audio: no such file or directory. > > A simple pointer to a place where I can RTFM would be great. I should > probably grovel over the mpg123 source, but I was hoping someone might > have a quick answer. > > Thanks, > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at rightwithgod.org Sun Mar 17 01:26:02 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Truetype fonts in x Message-ID: <3C944513.4080407@rightwithgod.org> I'v been reading the fine manuals but can't seem to find exacly what I am looking for. I have installed a bunch of TT Fonts and I ran "mkttfontdir *.TTF" which created the fonts.dir file listing 480+ fonts but when I startx and look at /var/log/x**.log I get the following errors: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! As you can see I have the same problem with Speedo fonts apparently. Any idea's would be appreciated. Thanks alot. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 17 07:10:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script In-Reply-To: <20020316231829.A4628@borg.umn.edu> References: <20020316231829.A4628@borg.umn.edu> Message-ID: <31667.204.220.56.6.1016370531.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Here is the script I am trying to use. I couldn't see what to change. Everything I need works except for ftp. As mentioned I can connect with username and password, but cannot se any folders. Thanks for your help getting this to work. > The problem your seeing is probably due to issues with setting up the > data part of the ftp connection. Since you can get to the ftp server > you must have outbound port 21 open, to get passive ftp to work (which > is the default with many ftp clients these days and more secure) just > open up outbound port 20. If you're still having problems send the > iptables script that you have and I'll show you what you need to > change. > > Chris > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 12:11:02AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: >> A while back I got help modifying an iptable script that gave Internet >> access to my private LAN, and allowed me to make FTP connections and >> downloads to public servers. My RedHat box had to be re installed and >> I lost the script. I am new enough that I don't know what to look for >> that meets my needs. I would appreciate it if someone could send me >> one, or point me to a link. My present script let's me connect to an >> FTP server, but I can't see any folders, and it errors out after a >> bit. >> >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> Little Crow Telemedia Network >> 2 Centry Av >> Hutchinson, MN. >> 320-234-0270 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 2 Centry Av Hutchinson, MN. 320-234-0270 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your help > getting this to work. > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 2 Centry Av > Hutchinson, MN. > 320-234-0270 > I have looked at your script and am sending it back with a couple of changes. A couple are minor issues that have nothing to do with the ftp issue. Others I think will address that problem. I marked the sections I changed with '# *****' You had: LAN_BCAST_ADRESS="192.168.255.255" Sould be: LAN_BCAST_ADRESS="192.168.0.255" You had: $IPTABLES -A bad_tcp_packets -i $INET_IFACE -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j DROP Should be: $IPTABLES -A bad_tcp_packets -i $INET_IFACE -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j DROP (The above two changes are because you specified your IP address as 192.168.0.1 and your LAN as 192.168.0.0/24.) Finally, the ftp issue: FTP has two modes: active and passive. Active mode requires that you not only allow ports 20 and 21 going out (which you do), but also allow ports 20 and 21 coming in. Passive mode requires port 21 coming in, and a non-privileged port (>1024) coming in. I added these lines to your script (but haven't tested - that's an exercise for the reader): # support active ftp $IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p TCP --sport 20:21 -j allowed # support passive ftp $IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p TCP --sport 1024: --dport 1024: -j allowed -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I now get "Permission denied" error messages when I enter the compiled program name at the command prompt. I don't remember changing directories for any of these programs, and I'm still using my regular non-root user account, so any ideas on what I mucked up? Marc From florin at iucha.net Sun Mar 17 10:58:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beginners problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020317165748.GA4691@iucha.net> On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:13:21AM -0600, mcolivier wrote: > Hello, it's me again. I now find I'm having a more basic problem with gcc. A > week or so ago, I typed in code for "Hello, World!" to see what happens. I > did gcc hello.c on the source code file, in my shell environment, and then > typed "hello" at the command prompt and got "Hello, World!" Fine. > > I then installed some packages that seemed to be missing from glibc for gcc > and make. I was able to get something to happen for a mysql program I'm > working on (I think). However, I just now try to go back and do gcc on a > program similar to Hello world to see if everything is working. I now get > "Permission denied" error messages when I enter the compiled program name at > the command prompt. I don't remember changing directories for any of these > programs, and I'm still using my regular non-root user account, so any ideas > on what I mucked up? Then you used gcc -o hello hello.c and that generated the output in hello. Now you didn't and it put the output in the default place: a.out. Try to run a.out. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020317/a3539a5b/attachment.pgp From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 17 11:59:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script In-Reply-To: <20020317094158.A28020@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020317094158.A28020@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <55368.204.220.56.6.1016387900.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I appreciate your work on the script, but I did not get my original script back, just your notes on changes made. I can try to piece it together, but was hoping for the modified script. > I have looked at your script and am sending it back with a couple of > changes. A couple are minor issues that have nothing to do with the ftp > issue. Others I think will address that problem. I marked the sections > I changed with '# *****' > > You had: > LAN_BCAST_ADRESS="192.168.255.255" > Sould be: > LAN_BCAST_ADRESS="192.168.0.255" > > You had: > $IPTABLES -A bad_tcp_packets -i $INET_IFACE -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j DROP > Should be: > $IPTABLES -A bad_tcp_packets -i $INET_IFACE -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j DROP > > (The above two changes are because you specified your IP address as > 192.168.0.1 and your LAN as 192.168.0.0/24.) > > Finally, the ftp issue: > > FTP has two modes: active and passive. Active mode requires that you > not only allow ports 20 and 21 going out (which you do), but also allow > ports 20 and 21 coming in. > > Passive mode requires port 21 coming in, and a non-privileged port > (>1024) coming in. > > I added these lines to your script (but haven't tested - that's an > exercise for the reader): > > # support active ftp > $IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p TCP --sport 20:21 -j allowed > # support passive ftp > $IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p TCP --sport 1024: --dport 1024: -j allowed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 2 Centry Av Hutchinson, MN. 320-234-0270 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sun Mar 17 12:25:02 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beginners problems In-Reply-To: ; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:13:21AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020317122431.A336@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:13:21AM -0600, mcolivier wrote: [tale of woe snipped] OK, what happens when you do something like this? % cat > hw.c #include int main() { printf("Hello world!\n"); } % gcc hw.c % ./a.out Hello world! % ls -l hw.c a.out -rwxrwxr-x 1 trammell trammell 4719 Mar 17 11:23 a.out -rw-rw-r-- 1 trammell trammell 60 Mar 17 11:22 hw.c % Please include any significant deviation from the above in your reply. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From esper at sherohman.org Sun Mar 17 12:29:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beginners problems In-Reply-To: ; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:13:21AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020317122834.A24987@sherohman.org> On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:13:21AM -0600, mcolivier wrote: > Hello, it's me again. I now find I'm having a more basic problem with gcc. A > week or so ago, I typed in code for "Hello, World!" to see what happens. I > did gcc hello.c on the source code file, in my shell environment, and then > typed "hello" at the command prompt and got "Hello, World!" Fine. Side note: Unless you actually mean that you typed "./hello" at the prompt, you appear to have . in your path. This is generally considered to be a Bad Thing, as people could then put malicious programs in arbitrary directories and you would then be able to execute them unintentionally while in those directories. Also, and somewhat less esoterically, having . in $PATH means that the system behaves differently depending on where your current working directory is. > I then installed some packages that seemed to be missing from glibc for gcc > and make. I was able to get something to happen for a mysql program I'm > working on (I think). However, I just now try to go back and do gcc on a > program similar to Hello world to see if everything is working. I now get > "Permission denied" error messages when I enter the compiled program name at > the command prompt. What does `ls -l hello` say? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From stevered at mm.com Sun Mar 17 14:44:00 2002 From: stevered at mm.com (Steve Redding) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script In-Reply-To: <37789.204.220.56.6.1016341862.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <000801c1cdf4$dde6a880$020ba8c0@rntnw.com> I use a firewall script called Shorewall that does the iptables stuff for me. The firewall script has a very active support base through the mailing list. http://www.shorewall.net Steve Redding stevered@mm.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 11:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] could use an iptable script A while back I got help modifying an iptable script that gave Internet access to my private LAN, and allowed me to make FTP connections and downloads to public servers. My RedHat box had to be re installed and I lost the script. I am new enough that I don't know what to look for that meets my needs. I would appreciate it if someone could send me one, or point me to a link. My present script let's me connect to an FTP server, but I can't see any folders, and it errors out after a bit. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 2 Centry Av Hutchinson, MN. 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Mar 17 19:00:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need to mooch DNS. Message-ID: <3C953BE1.9070006@haxxed.mine.nu> Hey I want to point a domain at my *cough* mediaone cable IP. Anyone here willing to do it? If you can directly do dynamic DNS that would be great, otherwise I figure you can just cname it to dyndns.org. ;P The IP rarely changes anyway. From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Sun Mar 17 19:14:01 2002 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need to mooch DNS. References: <3C953BE1.9070006@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <001901c1ce19$6158d340$6401a8c0@stealth> Email me off the list and I can set a record up for you.. Jason Lanpher jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com From sos at zjod.net Sun Mar 17 19:21:01 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need to mooch DNS. In-Reply-To: from "Callum Lerwick" at Mar 17, 2002 06:59:13 PM Message-ID: <200203180120.g2I1KZv23684@zjod.net> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Hey I want to point a domain at my *cough* mediaone cable IP. Anyone > here willing to do it? If you can directly do dynamic DNS that would be > great, otherwise I figure you can just cname it to dyndns.org. ;P The IP > rarely changes anyway. > If nobody volunteers, try tzo.com. I use 'em and they've been great. -S From michael.arolan at excite.com Sun Mar 17 19:35:01 2002 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Question Message-ID: <20020318013456.5AF59299FE@xmxpita.excite.com> Hi Guys, I hope this doe not sound like a stupid question! I've got sendmail runing on my machine and used the "comp" facility to send a mail to my internet mail. However, I am trying to get JavaMail to work with sendmail but so far I have been unsuccessful! My questions are as follows: 1) When you have sendmail running, what will the name of my SMTP server be? Will it be the host name of my srver? How can I find this out? 2) I tried to reply the mail I sent (from linux) to my internet mail but I got a failure notice, how can I get sendmail to recieve incoming mail? Thanks in advance! Michael
From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Sun Mar 17 19:51:01 2002 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Question References: <20020318013456.5AF59299FE@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <002501c1ce1e$80479480$6401a8c0@stealth> I will try an answer you. Question #1 Yes it typically should be set to the hostname, however it should be set to the name of the server you set in your dns record under mx. MX record specify what computer should receive email for the domain name your using. Question #2 In your senmail.cf file there is an entry to only allow the receiveing of mail for the local address of 127.0.0.1 example from sendmail.cf file # SMTP daemon options # O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA So if you comment out that line you should be able to receive email from mail servers outside of your local net Jason Lanpher jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com From poptix at poptix.net Sun Mar 17 21:47:01 2002 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S . Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:54:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020316200545.A5826@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:54:38PM -0600, Brian wrote: > rm -rf is a great utility. Unless, of course, you're in the wrong > directory. And so I ask, how can I go about recovering a directory that > became victim to the almighty rm -rf? Wow, it must be that time of month, I accidently /exec rm -rf / in my IRC client while joking with someone.. > > Some of the files have probably been overwritten, but I'm talking about 6 > GB+ of files that were deleted. Since it's on the /home partition, I can > only assume that < 1 MB of data has been written to the partition. In > theory, the deleted inodes should still be out there. Are there any > methods/utilities that can help me? Best thing to do is umount *immediately*, run debugfs, and get acquainted with the commands. I managed to recover 99.9% of the ~18G that I deleted. I'm considering having a presentation on this at the next installfest if I can work up enough interest in it (and a good presentation). > > -Brian -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at metzada.com Sun Mar 17 21:48:20 2002 From: joelr at metzada.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pmfirewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200203171128.28369@ellegon.com> I finally got around to installing it, and it installed easy -- even for me -- and appears to work well. (Uses ipchains, rather than iptables.) No way of knowing, of course, but everything on the local net can see everything it's supposed to, and as far as I can tell, via Steve Gibson's Shields Up, the only thing that's visibile from the outside is port 5000, which appears to be closed. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Mar 17 21:58:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] data recovery on ext2 fs In-Reply-To: <20020316200545.A5826@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Matthew S . Hallacy wrote: > Wow, it must be that time of month, I accidently /exec rm -rf / in my IRC > client while joking with someone.. *somehow correlates this to the gasoline fight in Zoolander. Too funny.* > Best thing to do is umount *immediately*, run debugfs, and get acquainted > with the commands. I managed to recover 99.9% of the ~18G that I deleted. That's cool. I'm kinda playing with TCT, I've had a busy weekend and once I got the partition umounted/mounted ro I don't see it as a time sensitive deal. > I'm considering having a presentation on this at the next installfest if > I can work up enough interest in it (and a good presentation). Well, I'm definitely interested. If nothing else, I'll post my techniques/results to the group. -Brian From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Mar 17 22:30:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Dropping voice line and keeping DSL In-Reply-To: <02031402225200.05535@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> References: <02031402225200.05535@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Message-ID: Chris Dresel writes: > My IP hasn't changed in 9 months, ever since I got the service.... > And, like my old boot camp commander used to say, "It's better to ask for > forgiveness than beg for permission" It generally is. On the other hand, one had better take this approach only for services that can afford to be down for days or weeks if forgiveness is eventually denied. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Mon Mar 18 01:23:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound and KDE References: <200203140421.g2E4LUm19660@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <3C9595A6.4050607@haxxed.mine.nu> Jim Streit wrote: > I have installed an Aureal Vortex PCI sound card (au8810 chip set) in a > machine that is running the latest version of Peanut Linux. http://sourceforge.net/projects/aureal Though the version there still hasn't been updated, a patch got half applied so it still doesn't work. Here's my properly patched and fully working version I've been using for a year: http://haxxed.mine.nu/random/code/aurealvortex-1.1.2-pl1.tar.bz2 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 08:23:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020318142212.GC16709@wookimus.net> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:24:14PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > my solution when confronted with a man page that says 'see the info > documentation' is to curse the doco author, Stallman, and emacs users > in general, and then go look elsewhere for docs. Why not take the initiative to make a manpage and send it upstream? I've done this many times before. Just use something like /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz as your template. Use the '-h/--help' command from the application itself or reference the info docs. Make the manpage, and get on with life. It really isn't that difficult. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 08:26:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020318142454.GD16709@wookimus.net> On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 11:43:10AM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > Wow. Maybe there should be a support group for info-torture victims. > I also dislike info and wouldn't mind if it were replaced with a more > widely used hypertext format such as HTML (or maybe DocBook SGML). Joel, texinfo docs can output docbook. These people are whining about the tool used to view the documentation. Honestly, info is not that difficult to use, but for people who believe so, they can always use another version of an info browser to use, or request the original texino doc to compile it in a different format. BTW, DocBook isn't always the answer for everything. It's Yet Another Markup Language. Its the document contents that are important. All else is parseable. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020318/19020e01/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 08:28:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020316174333.C10494@joelschneider.net> References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> <20020316201955.GA473@iucha.net> <20020316174333.C10494@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020318142647.GE16709@wookimus.net> On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 05:43:33PM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > Actually, I've also been annoyed by the _contents_ of man pages that > have a "SEE ALSO" section that says "The full documentation for xyz is > maintained as a Texinfo manual. [...] info xyz should give you access > to the complete manual.", then I go look at the info entry and it > contains the same information as the man page, only broken up into > about 5-10 different sections. Not a stellar "SEE ALSO" > recommendation. Thanks info, I really wanted to comb through all that > cr*p twice. Make it stellar then, or file a bug report with upstream. The texinfo manual is not the problem, it's the author. Light a fire under his shoe, or roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It remaps calls to C functions such as link(), unlink(), rename(), open(), etc. That means that if you place this library in /etc/ld.so.preload or in the environment variable in your login shell (LD_PRELOAD=libtrash.so.1), ALL applications that have been compiled against the GNU C library will have a Trashcan facility. You can find libtrash at: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libtrash/ http://www.m-arriaga.net/software/libtrash/ http://www.m-arriaga.net/software/libtrash/libtrash-0.8.tgz I recall there being an Intent To Package (ITP) email sent to debian-devel not too long ago. I don't see it in the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages (wnpp) pages (http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp), however. If it doesn't go in soon, I'll probably make a package myself for this. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Personally, I don't "whine" about info because of the tool used to view it, but rather because I hate playing 'guess the documentation format'. (Although I must say that I've been less than successful in my halfhearted attempts to learn to use info. Like Carl, I tend to find it easier to just ask google when man doesn't tell me what I need to know.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From Ben at Workscited.Net Mon Mar 18 10:03:00 2002 From: Ben at Workscited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer recycling projects Message-ID: <200203181602.g2IG2Iw03698@sprite.real-time.com> Hi, folks. I need some help tracking down the computer-recycling projects in the Twin Cities, particularly nonprofit ventures, because Twin Cities Free-Net plans to get into the biz and doesn't want to step on anyone's toes (or have its own toes stepped on). I hear there's some fraternity at the U that does it, but which one? Anyone else? Thanks in advance... I don't feel this is off topic because TCFN will almost certainly be configuring its computers with Linux, for reasons of support as well as copyright. --Ben From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Mar 18 13:03:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation Message-ID: So after changing my hostname my printer stopped working, samba won't start, and the login GUI won't start KDE or GNOME unless I specify them explicitly (i.e. I can't use the "Last session" or "default" options). No big deal though, I have full backups of everything and am just going to reinstall. So here is the real question, I have two drives 1) WD 7200rpm, 20gb, IDE and 2) Maxtor 7200rpm, 80gb, IDE. How would you guys/gals recommend I setup the drives? My gut feeling is to put the 20gb as the primary (hda) and the 80gb as the secondary (hdb). But I am not sure what the best way to partition those drives, any recommendations there? The 80g Maxtor is actually a replacement drive, the original conked out after 18 days, so I am reluctant to use it as the boot partition and swap space. Thanks, David From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 18 13:58:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 01:01:39PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > So after changing my hostname my printer stopped working, samba won't start, > and the login GUI won't start KDE or GNOME unless I specify them explicitly > (i.e. I can't use the "Last session" or "default" options). No big deal > though, I have full backups of everything and am just going to reinstall. Stop! That's the Windows way! The linux way is to: 0. Think 1. RTFM 2. STFW 3. ATFML in that order. But since you are already at step 3: Add a line 127.0.0.1 your-host-name to /etc/hosts > So here is the real question, I have two drives 1) WD 7200rpm, 20gb, IDE and > 2) Maxtor 7200rpm, 80gb, IDE. How would you guys/gals recommend I setup the > drives? My gut feeling is to put the 20gb as the primary (hda) and the 80gb > as the secondary (hdb). But I am not sure what the best way to partition > those drives, any recommendations there? Do not put two harddrives on the same IDE channel. But I suspect you already have something on the second channel (CD-ROM) so my suggestion is to get out and get a PCI IDE controller (Promise, Maxtor, Whatever) and connect your 80gigger to that controller. Also put your system directories (/ /usr /var) on the 20 gigger and backup them regularly onto a partition on the 80 gigger. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But since you are already at step 3: ---SNIP--- From esper at sherohman.org Mon Mar 18 14:31:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <02031814173000.03000@nancy>; from kelly.black@penguinpackets.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:17:30PM -0600 References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> <02031814173000.03000@nancy> Message-ID: <20020318143031.A2105@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:17:30PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > RTFM I know, but what is > STFW? Search The F* Web -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 18 14:34:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Info Viewer - was: make and makefile In-Reply-To: <20020318095359.A995@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:54:00AM -0600 References: <20020315132414.D28026@real-time.com> <20020316105940.B13695@sherohman.org> <20020316114310.B10494@joelschneider.net> <20020318142454.GD16709@wookimus.net> <20020318095359.A995@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020318143424.J14418@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:54:00AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:24:54AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > Joel, texinfo docs can output docbook. These people are whining about > > the tool used to view the documentation. > > Personally, I don't "whine" about info because of the tool used to > view it, but rather because I hate playing 'guess the documentation > format'. (Although I must say that I've been less than successful in > my halfhearted attempts to learn to use info. Like Carl, I tend to > find it easier to just ask google when man doesn't tell me what I > need to know.) Me too. Maybe I should learn more about info some day. There's still the problem of being stuck reading through the same information twice, though ... To solve the problem for good, maybe I'll set aside next weekend to rewrite all the linux man pages in DocBook format and then create a "doco" reader to read them. :-) Joel From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 18 14:39:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: UPS sucks.... Message-ID: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> Currently, UPS Internet Shipping does not support the browser you are using. Please select another browser and try again. For FAQ and Support information, please select Customer Service from the UPS tool bar. As we have encountered problems with printing labels using Netscape 6.1, we have been forced to disable it at this time. (UIS: 80001) UPS sucks... -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 18 14:47:01 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020318143031.A2105@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On 3/18/02 2:30 PM, "Dave Sherohman" wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:17:30PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: >> RTFM I know, but what is >> STFW? > > Search The F* Web ...and ATFML ? From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Mar 18 15:08:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: UPS sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> References: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020318150725.A642@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:38:37PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Currently, UPS Internet Shipping does not support the browser you are using. > Please select another browser and try again. For FAQ and Support information, > please select Customer Service from the UPS tool bar. As we have encountered > problems with printing labels using Netscape 6.1, we have been forced to disable > it at this time. (UIS: 80001) > > UPS sucks... Complain to UPS and file an Evangelism bug in bugzilla. Netscape 6.1 is pretty old - I'd be williing to bet that whatever problem they had is fixed in mozilla by now. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Mar 18 15:28:01 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would guess Ask The F(ine/***ing) Mailing List. Jeff On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Michael J Flaherty wrote: > On 3/18/02 2:30 PM, "Dave Sherohman" wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:17:30PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > >> RTFM I know, but what is > >> STFW? > > > > Search The F* Web > > ...and ATFML ? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 18 15:38:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internal DSL card for Linux? Message-ID: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> Any internal DSL cards for Linux? Cisco EOL'd the 675, and 678, I think a internal DSL card for Linux would make a cost effective "router" to the Internet. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wlayer at attbi.com Mon Mar 18 16:53:02 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020318164930.35dfad58.wlayer@attbi.com> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:37:44 -0600 Bob Tanner wrote: > Any internal DSL cards for Linux? If it helps, I can tell you for a fact that the Cisco/Intel 2100 internal PCI DSL modem does not work in Linux.. it is an HSP (winmodem) design. Don't know what else exists.. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 18 16:55:02 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaserJet 6L randomly prints gibberish Message-ID: Okay, I'm forwarding this from a friend of mine. I'm stumped, so I thought I'd pass it on to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Okay. One problem with Linux. If my printer is plugged in, it prints > reams of gibberish, unbidden. I have to take all the paper out of it > because I can't make it stop. Any idea what is causing this? It did it > under SuSE 6.4, too. It's the main thing that makes it impossible for > me to use Linux instead of Windows in any real way. Elaboration: They're using Mandrake 8.1, with an HP LaserJet 6L. I asked what printing daemon the system was using, and: > See, I don't know. The install/setup was.. odd, in that I'm not sure > which installed and frankly don't remember enough about this OS to > figure it out. Cups is running, I do know that. Lpd is not. So I > guess Cups, huh. > > In linuxconf, under service control, the thingie under "printer" pops up > "Internet server" and I see /usr/lib/cups/daemon/cups-lpd under "server > path." Being a Windows abuser I have no idea what that indicates other > than gee Cups is running. Cups also shows up on its own (automatic, > running) on the Service control list. These are the only things I know > to be printer-related that I see running. Is there anywhere else I > should look? Any suggestions will be forwarded on. Thanks. Jima From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 18 17:22:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaserJet 6L randomly prints gibberish In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 04:54:37PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020318172133.K14418@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 04:54:37PM -0600, Jima wrote: [snip] > > Cups is running, I do know that. Lpd is not. So I guess Cups, huh. [snip] > Any suggestions will be forwarded on. CUPS has a web based interface that typically runs on port 631 (use web browser to access http://localhost:631/ and log in as root). Aside from that, I haven't really figured out CUPS myself yet, but I know it tries to do some stuff automatically, without user intervention. Maybe it has a log file somewhere ... Joel From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 18 17:25:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <02031814173000.03000@nancy> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > and I assume ATFML is for ask the f[(ine)|(orgotten)|(******)] mailing list. Dont forget feeble. :-) -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 18 17:26:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: UPS sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > UPS sucks... That's all you need to say. UPS has given me too many problems. I refuse to ship with them anymore. US Postal Service has been very good to me. Cheaper rates than UPS and hasn't lost, broken, stolen, or delayed any deliveries. UPS Sucks. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 18 17:53:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020318164930.35dfad58.wlayer@attbi.com>; from wlayer@attbi.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600 References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> <20020318164930.35dfad58.wlayer@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020318175255.R28620@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (wlayer@attbi.com): > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:37:44 -0600 > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Any internal DSL cards for Linux? > > If it helps, I can tell you for a fact that the Cisco/Intel 2100 internal > PCI DSL modem does not work in Linux.. it is an HSP (winmodem) design. > Don't know what else exists.. Need to get a hold of some EE grad students at the UofM to build us some cards! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 18 18:01:02 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaserJet 6L randomly prints gibberish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/18/02 4:54 PM, "Jima" wrote: > Okay, I'm forwarding this from a friend of mine. I'm stumped, so I > thought I'd pass it on to the list. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Okay. One problem with Linux. If my printer is plugged in, it prints >> reams of gibberish, unbidden. I have to take all the paper out of it >> Totally unbidden ? What action preceded this happening for the first time ? Sound a lot like what happens when you try to print a postscript test page to a non-postscript printer. What print driver did they select during set-up ? I don't know that the generic postscript driver works with HP PCL language (used by that printer ?). MJF From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 18:28:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020318175255.R28620@real-time.com> References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> <20020318164930.35dfad58.wlayer@attbi.com> <20020318175255.R28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319002651.GH16709@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:52:55PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any internal DSL cards for Linux? http://www.efficient.com/pdf/products/3000.pdf http://www.efficient.com/products/modpci.html Can't find the actual drivers on the web, though. And it sounds like they do binary-only kernel drivers. Literature about the card is pretty piss poor. Although, if you do find support for it, here's a vendor selling the card for $50: http://www.earth1computer.com/inpcidslmod3.html And these people want to sell it for $259: http://www.abfcomm.com/sales/efficients_products/3060.htm Interestingly enough, it's also listed at linuxvoodoo. http://linuxvoodoo.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=399283/ut=80650a6ccf38db13/ I didn't find any other reference to internal PCI cards for linux. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020318/6556ca37/attachment.pgp From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Mar 18 18:34:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 01:01:39PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > No big deal > > though, I have full backups of everything and am just going to > > reinstall. > > Stop! That's the Windows way! > > The linux way is to: > 0. Think > 1. RTFM > 2. STFW > 3. ATFML Actually I did 0-3 already, see my thread titled "Changing the host name". > in that order. But since you are already at step 3: > > Add a line > 127.0.0.1 your-host-name > to /etc/hosts Took care of that when I changed the hostname. I also grep'ed my system to find any files still referencing the old host name, found some and changed those too. I'm using RH 7.2 and seems they were keeping references to the old hostname in some kind of profiles directory /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default. Before I changed those, I couldn't get KDE or GNOME to start at all. Anyway, I can't find any more references to the old hostname and I've already been through 0-3 once, I'm not confident I'll find anything new a second time through 0-3 and I don't want to bother people with the same question. On the other hand, I know a reinstall will fix everything. > > > But I am not sure what the best way to > > partition > > those drives, any recommendations there? > > Do not put two harddrives on the same IDE channel. Really, why? What could go wrong/right? > But I suspect you already have something on the second channel (CD-ROM) > so my suggestion is to get out and get a PCI IDE controller (Promise, > Maxtor, Whatever) and connect your 80gigger to that controller. Will do. > > Also put your system directories (/ /usr /var) on the 20 gigger and > backup them regularly onto a partition on the 80 gigger. Thanks for the advice! David From esper at sherohman.org Mon Mar 18 18:54:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:34:06PM -0600 References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020318185353.A3894@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:34:06PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Florin Iucha wrote: > > Do not put two harddrives on the same IDE channel. > > Really, why? What could go wrong/right? IDE channels tend not to have the extra bandwidth you see on a SCSI controller. One drive can pretty well saturate the channel's available capacity, resulting in a performance hit. Make one the primary master and the other the secondary master. I don't agree with Florin about getting an additional controller for your CDROM, though. CD drives don't normally sustain a very high data transfer rate (relative to hard drives) and they also tend to sit idle most of the time, so I don't see any reason not to slave it to whichever drive sees less use. One other option besides Florin's suggestion of backing the small drive up to the larger one would be to set up a RAID 1 mirror of that 20 G and use the other 60 G of the big drive for your mp3 collection or whatever else you can get by without. A little more complex than keeping the drives separate and not as good for performance, but the system will just keep right on going if either drive fails. (I'd do it, but I'm on a RAID kick right now, buying extra drives and setting up RAID on everything I see, whether it's called for or not. YMWillProbablyV.) Finally, set up swap partitions on both drives and, in fstab, add "pri=10" to the options for both of them. If you force multiple swap partitions to the same priority (the pri option), the kernel will load-balance across them. Works quite nicely. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 18 19:17:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020318185353.A3894@sherohman.org> References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> <20020318185353.A3894@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020319011625.GC4691@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:53:53PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:34:06PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Do not put two harddrives on the same IDE channel. > > > > Really, why? What could go wrong/right? > > IDE channels tend not to have the extra bandwidth you see on a SCSI > controller. One drive can pretty well saturate the channel's > available capacity, resulting in a performance hit. Make one the > primary master and the other the secondary master. > > I don't agree with Florin about getting an additional controller for > your CDROM, though. Bzzzzzt! I didn't say that! I said: go buy another controller and put the big HDD on it. You CD-ROM/DVD-ROM will not work (it will work most of the time, but if you have problems everybody and their uncle will tell you it doesn't work and they are right) on a Promise/Maxtor IDE controller. Those are made to work on with ATA (hard-drives) devices and not ATAPI (cd-roms/zips). > CD drives don't normally sustain a very high > data transfer rate (relative to hard drives) and they also tend to > sit idle most of the time, so I don't see any reason not to slave it > to whichever drive sees less use. Bzzzzt. A CD-ROM slave to a HDD will slow down the HDD. And will force the HDD to the same PIO mode, slowing it down even more (an 80 gigger is most likely UDMA100). > One other option besides Florin's suggestion of backing the small > drive up to the larger one would be to set up a RAID 1 mirror of that > 20 G and use the other 60 G of the big drive for your mp3 collection > or whatever else you can get by without. I have an uneasy feeling about unbalanced RAID. Yes it works but... I have a 256 M root partition that I periodically mirror onto the other harddrives in the system so I can boot from any copy. > A little more complex than > keeping the drives separate and not as good for performance, but the > system will just keep right on going if either drive fails. (I'd do > it, but I'm on a RAID kick right now, buying extra drives and setting > up RAID on everything I see, whether it's called for or not. > YMWillProbablyV.) > > Finally, set up swap partitions on both drives and, in fstab, add > "pri=10" to the options for both of them. If you force multiple swap > partitions to the same priority (the pri option), the kernel will > load-balance across them. Works quite nicely. Hmm... it's not worth to put a 80 gig HDD to work just because the kernel feels like distributing the 2 megs it has to swap. Leave only data on the 80 gigs and it will sleep when appropriate while the 20 gigger will be still busy with cron jobs and other maintenance. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One drive can pretty well saturate the channel's > available capacity, resulting in a performance hit. Make one the > primary master and the other the secondary master. my understanding is that IDE drives have a lot less 'smarts' built into the drive itself, than SCSI does. IDE used to be cheaper, because it used simpler controllers and offloaded the control logic to the CPU. as such, there's a lot more 'blocking' operations that happen over an IDE bus -- the control logic issues a command, and has to wait on the results of that command, before issuing the next one. (even if the next command is to a different drive on the same chain). SCSI is smart enough to issue multiple commands to multiple drives on the same chain, and deal with the results in whatever order. as such; SCSI vs. IDE is neck-and-neck when doing a few simple things (like the 95% of end lusers who read mail and www, and maybe play a game that mostly gets loaded into memory anyway); but SCSI wins when doing lots of tasks simutaneously (like on a server with multiple users; or a workstation that's doing a squid cache/dns cache/kernel compile/ftp download). these days it probably doesn't cost much more to make the silicon for a real SCSI controller, than an IDE controller; but the big storage companies have gotten into the habit of charging 2x for SCSI over IDE, and the consumers paying it, and economies of scale contributing to make IDE cheaper. :( life would be a lot simpler if we used SCA drives for everything; but at the moment it's cost-prohibitive (even tho it doesn't need to be). oh well, what would we do if life made sense? :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 18 19:54:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:34:06PM -0600 References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020318195422.D27433@real-time.com> > /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default. Before I changed those, I > couldn't get KDE or GNOME to start at all. Anyway, I can't find any more > references to the old hostname and I've already been through 0-3 once, I'm > not confident I'll find anything new a second time through 0-3 and I don't > want to bother people with the same question. On the other hand, I know a > reinstall will fix everything. have you tailed the last few dozen lines of syslog after trying to start something that fails? this is how I learned that GDM is dependent on a proper name resolution. :) (one more reason I hate GDM/KDM/XDM). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jack at jacku.com Mon Mar 18 20:49:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaserJet 6L randomly prints gibberish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02031820485201.00777@geezer> On Monday 18 March 2002 16:54, Jima wrote: I ran into this with cups when I rebuilt my system a few months ago. Have your friend find the cupsd.conf file, it should be /etc/cups (at least it is on SuSE 7.2) In that file find the variable AutoPurgeJobs. By default this is set to No. I found that StarOffice documents would automagically reprint themselves after startup until I purged the files from /var/spool/cups/ and set this variable to Yes. Not guaranteed to work but is a first step. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dave at rightwithgod.org Mon Mar 18 22:02:01 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] closing ports Message-ID: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> Hi all, I am trying to lock my system down and have a quick question. After all i've done I still have two ports showing open, 111/tcp open sunrpc 6000/tcp open X11 I set /etc/hosts.deny to ALL:ALL am I vulnerable with these ports open? If so what is the best way to close them? Thanks. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 18 22:22:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] closing ports In-Reply-To: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org>; from dave@rightwithgod.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:02:25PM -0600 References: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <20020318222137.M14418@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:02:25PM -0600, Dave Erickson wrote: > Hi all, I am trying to lock my system down and have a quick question. > > After all i've done I still have two ports showing open, > > 111/tcp open sunrpc > 6000/tcp open X11 > > I set /etc/hosts.deny to ALL:ALL am I vulnerable with these ports open? Yes. > If so what is the best way to close them? Some potentially useful links ... http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO.html http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/index-linux.html http://www.linuxsecurity.com/ Joel From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 22:38:00 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] closing ports In-Reply-To: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> References: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <20020319043722.GB2602@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:02:25PM -0600, Dave Erickson wrote: > Hi all, I am trying to lock my system down and have a quick question. > > After all i've done I still have two ports showing open, > > 111/tcp open sunrpc > 6000/tcp open X11 > > I set /etc/hosts.deny to ALL:ALL am I vulnerable with these ports open? > If so what is the best way to close them? sunrpc is for portmap. if you need NFS, you must run portmap. In which case you need to add hosts.allow or hosts.deny lines for portmap. Remember to use IP addresses and netmasks only for portmap. # hosts.allow ALL: LOCAL sshd: ALL # hosts.deny line ALL: PARANOID sshd: bad.host.tld portmap: ALL 192.168.1.254 EXCEPT 192.168.1.0/24 The X11 is your X server. Use the "-nolisten tcp" option for your X server in its respective startup script (i.e. gdm.conf, etc). Use ssh X11 forwarding to display X apps from remote hosts. An alternative for NFS is to do NFS over tcp and use the SSL library or sslwrap to encrypt the traffic. Then shut off all portmap except for localhost, etc.... Good luck. Oh, and if worse comes to worse, use ip filters (ipchains or iptables) to block traffic that libwrap can't catch. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020318/2463d790/attachment.pgp From dave at rightwithgod.org Mon Mar 18 23:00:02 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] closing ports References: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> <20020319043722.GB2602@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3C96C5DD.2040408@rightwithgod.org> Chad C. Walstrom wrote: >On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:02:25PM -0600, Dave Erickson wrote: > >>Hi all, I am trying to lock my system down and have a quick question. >> >>After all i've done I still have two ports showing open, >> >>111/tcp open sunrpc >>6000/tcp open X11 >> >>I set /etc/hosts.deny to ALL:ALL am I vulnerable with these ports open? >>If so what is the best way to close them? >> > >sunrpc is for portmap. if you need NFS, you must run portmap. In >which case you need to add hosts.allow or hosts.deny lines for portmap. >Remember to use IP addresses and netmasks only for portmap. > > # hosts.allow > ALL: LOCAL > sshd: ALL > > # hosts.deny line > ALL: PARANOID > sshd: bad.host.tld > portmap: ALL 192.168.1.254 EXCEPT 192.168.1.0/24 > >The X11 is your X server. Use the "-nolisten tcp" option for your X >server in its respective startup script (i.e. gdm.conf, etc). Use ssh >X11 forwarding to display X apps from remote hosts. > >An alternative for NFS is to do NFS over tcp and use the SSL library or >sslwrap to encrypt the traffic. Then shut off all portmap except for >localhost, etc.... > >Good luck. Oh, and if worse comes to worse, use ip filters (ipchains or >iptables) to block traffic that libwrap can't catch. > Ok, I got rid of the portmapper as I don't need NFS at all. I am not really sure where to put the "-nolisten tcp" option though. I use GNOME but no the graphical login. Thanks for your help. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Mar 18 23:07:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: UPS sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> References: <20020318143837.U4434@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319050723.GA23759@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020318 14:40]: > please select Customer Service from the UPS tool bar. As we have encountered > problems with printing labels using Netscape 6.1, we have been forced to disable Last time I tried fedex it worked fine. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Mar 18 23:16:05 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319051601.GB23759@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020318 15:39]: > Any internal DSL cards for Linux? > > Cisco EOL'd the 675, and 678, I think a internal DSL card for Linux would make a > cost effective "router" to the Internet. 2wire makes some nice DSL based 'routers' that work well enough for windows users. Downside ive seen of them is that they require a windows box for the initial firmware upload, after that, its all web-based. I wonder how hard it would be to convince them that linux is an emerging market for their product for 'easy' DSL provisioning. Lots of big-bell companies seem to be moving to them from cisco, too. But as for the firewalling/natting/etc it does a nice job, and its a very nice little product. I dont know how much it is with dsl, mine here at home was $200 for without dsl/wireless. (Recently retired the 486, wanted to get away from running all my own hardware because I'm running out of time these days. little embedded machines with 'easy' software are nice sometimes.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 18 23:19:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] closing ports In-Reply-To: <3C96C5DD.2040408@rightwithgod.org> References: <3C96B851.5040108@rightwithgod.org> <20020319043722.GB2602@wookimus.net> <3C96C5DD.2040408@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <20020319051811.GA13169@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:00:13PM -0600, Dave Erickson wrote: > I am not really sure where to put the "-nolisten tcp" option though. I > use GNOME but no the graphical login. It's part of your X server setup. If you use startx to initialize, it should be found in some sort of serverrc file under /etc/X11. For Debian, it's found in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020318/e15d820a/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 18 23:43:55 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Revolution OS Message-ID: <20020318234248.N14418@joelschneider.net> Anyone else watch the "Revolution OS" documentary tonight on Showtime's Sundance channel (http://www.sundancechannel.com/popup/?ixFilmID=1467)? It's a documentary that contains interviews with RMS, ESR, Linus, and others. I thought it did a nice job describing the history of linux and explaining concepts such as free software and open source. Next showing is Friday at 5:00 PM. Joel From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 00:45:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? Message-ID: <20020319004518.L28620@real-time.com> Anyone read anything about distributed compilation of the kernel? I'm talking about distributing the compile of the kernel across idle boxes on your network. Something ala pvm. NOT like a cluster. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 00:53:42 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020319051601.GB23759@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:16:01PM -0600 References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> <20020319051601.GB23759@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020319005322.M28620@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > 2wire makes some nice DSL based 'routers' that work well enough for > windows users. Downside ive seen of them is that they require a windows > box for the initial firmware upload, after that, its all web-based. I > wonder how hard it would be to convince them that linux is an emerging > market for their product for 'easy' DSL provisioning. Lots of big-bell > companies seem to be moving to them from cisco, too. But as for the > firewalling/natting/etc it does a nice job, and its a very nice little > product. I dont know how much it is with dsl, mine here at home was > $200 for without dsl/wireless. (Recently retired the 486, wanted to get > away from running all my own hardware because I'm running out of time > these days. little embedded machines with 'easy' software are nice sometimes.) Just so this get's archived for future reference. I think you are talking about this: http://www.2wire.com/products/hpspecs.html The HomePortal 1000 Series, right? It lists for around $280 (average price for CDW, Office Depot, CompUSA) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 01:10:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020319005322.M28620@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:53:22AM -0600 References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> <20020319051601.GB23759@ringworld.org> <20020319005322.M28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319010949.N28620@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Just so this get's archived for future reference. > > I think you are talking about this: > > http://www.2wire.com/products/hpspecs.html > > The HomePortal 1000 Series, right? > > It lists for around $280 (average price for CDW, Office Depot, CompUSA) Will this work with Qworst DSL? Integrated ADSL modem supports G.dmt (ITU G.992.1) and G.lit (ITU G.992.2) I'm thinking no, via info here http://www.tuketu.com/dsl/xdsl.htm, click the USWest DSL (MegaBit Service) link. Under the xDSL standards section, they say the industry has rallied around G.Lite, but the list EZ-DSL as something different. Look at the USWest DSL (MegaBit Services) section is says Qwest has deployed EZ-DSL. *BUT* G.dmt smells alot like the recent upgrade to Qwest equipment to move from CAP to DMT. Anyone? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Mar 19 03:15:01 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Revolution OS In-Reply-To: <20020318234248.N14418@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: | Anyone else watch the "Revolution OS" documentary tonight on Showtime's | Sundance channel (http://www.sundancechannel.com/popup/?ixFilmID=1467)? Yes. Liked it I did. If anyone doesn't get the Sundance channel and would like to see it pop me an e-mail off list and I can have TiVo dump it to a VHS. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Tue Mar 19 03:53:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Internal DSL card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020319010949.N28620@real-time.com> References: <20020318153744.J28620@real-time.com> <20020319005322.M28620@real-time.com> <20020319010949.N28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02031903420100.16549@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> > Will this work with Qworst DSL? > > Integrated ADSL modem supports G.dmt (ITU G.992.1) and G.lit (ITU G.992.2) > > I'm thinking no, via info here > > http://www.tuketu.com/dsl/xdsl.htm, click the USWest DSL (MegaBit Service) > link. > > Under the xDSL standards section, they say the industry has rallied around > G.Lite, but the list EZ-DSL as something different. > > Look at the USWest DSL (MegaBit Services) section is says Qwest has > deployed EZ-DSL. > > *BUT* G.dmt smells alot like the recent upgrade to Qwest equipment to move > from CAP to DMT. > > Anyone? Never tried Qwest DSL, I'm too happy with my RoadRunner service.... But if it helps, when I moved up from Oklahoma about 10 months ago, I had Southwestern Bell ADSL, and I got the option of an internal DSL card or the external one, and I opted for the internal.... Though at the time, I had WinME on my box, and couldn't get the DSL card setup in linux, the disk they sent me had drivers for it, but said that "you must be running a 2.4 kernel".... If it helps, it's a TI (Texas Instruments) DSP card, if you _really_ want more info, I'll have to dig it out of the closet.... Chris www.HomelessIRC.net From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Mar 19 06:42:03 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall for RH6.2 Message-ID: <3C9731A4.69232D72@mn.uswest.net> Anybody have recommendations for firewall software for a RH6.2 box? I am digging through the ipchains material as we speak and was hoping for a piece of software that would abstract some of the nitty-gritty details for a rookie like me. I have been monitoring the list and saw some people use IPCOP but that requires it's own box. This box will function has the firewall to the internal network and is currently serving as the DHCP server. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 19 07:56:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall for RH6.2 In-Reply-To: <3C9731A4.69232D72@mn.uswest.net> References: <3C9731A4.69232D72@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20020319135523.GA29722@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:40:05AM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Anybody have recommendations for firewall software for a RH6.2 box? I > am digging through the ipchains material as we speak and was hoping > for a piece of software that would abstract some of the nitty-gritty > details for a rookie like me. Check out freshmeat. There are a number of perl, python, bash, firewall scripts out there. Some simply build a start/stop style script. Others manage the firewall entirely. Shop around. Here's a hint when you're playing with ipchains remotely. Add a cron job to save the current ruleset, flush all rules, and set the default policy to ACCEPT. That way, if you're screwing around with them remotely and lock yourself out, in let's say 15 minutes, you can get access again. #!/bin/sh # # ipchains-cronflush -- save rule set to backup file. Flush! # # Add this to your cron with something like: # # */15 * * * * # ipchains=/usr/bin/ipchains # ipchains save=/usr/bin/ipchains-save # save ruleset tool bkdir=/tmp # Backup ruleset datetime=`date +%s` # Seconds since 1/1/1970 # First, backup ruleset $save > $bkdir/ipchains-$datetime # Flush rulesets $ipchains -F input $ipchains -F output $ipchains -F forward # end script Then, all you need to do is use ipchains-restore to restore the ruleset. If you've made an error, edit the ruleset file before you do ipchains-restore. You really can do this without helper scripts, but little tricks like these are very helpful. Now, if you're using Debian, you can tie in your rules with the ifup/down scripts in /etc/network/if-{up,down}.d. That way, you can add rules specific to the interface when it goes up or down. You can even hack a bit to get different network schemes (i.e. home v.s. work), very nice if you have a laptop. Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They got it down from 21s to 10.3s to 7.52s - there is no time to distribute that 8^) Now seriously, for my 150 MHz Sparc compiling locally is too painfull. The best results I've got by compiling over NFS, with the directory on a machine with fast disk and enough RAM. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020319/a826ec6f/attachment.pgp From tomc at kendeco.com Tue Mar 19 10:40:01 2002 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new probe? Message-ID: While watching my logfile for our webserver, I noticed a strange line: 202.110.201.18 - - [19/Mar/2002:10:17:16 -0600] "GET http://www.microsoft.com/ HTTP/1.1" 404 295 Is this thing probing for an proxy enabled apache? That's the only thing I could think of... -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 IS Manager E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 19 11:32:42 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020319011625.GC4691@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 07:16:25PM -0600 References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> <20020318185353.A3894@sherohman.org> <20020319011625.GC4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020319113207.A9305@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 07:16:25PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I don't agree with Florin about getting an additional controller for > > your CDROM, though. > > Bzzzzzt! I didn't say that! > > I said: go buy another controller and put the big HDD on it. OK, you didn't say why and I assumed an incorrect reason. > > CD drives don't normally sustain a very high > > data transfer rate (relative to hard drives) and they also tend to > > sit idle most of the time, so I don't see any reason not to slave it > > to whichever drive sees less use. > > Bzzzzt. A CD-ROM slave to a HDD will slow down the HDD. And will force > the HDD to the same PIO mode, slowing it down even more I stand corrected. Looks like the design of IDE is even worse than I thought. > > One other option besides Florin's suggestion of backing the small > > drive up to the larger one would be to set up a RAID 1 mirror of that > > 20 G and use the other 60 G of the big drive for your mp3 collection > > or whatever else you can get by without. > > I have an uneasy feeling about unbalanced RAID. Yes it works but... There is the question of whether the RAID manager is smart enough to just read off the smaller drive when the larger is otherwise occupied. Any other problems you can put your finger on or is it just an intuitive thing? > Hmm... it's not worth to put a 80 gig HDD to work just because the > kernel feels like distributing the 2 megs it has to swap. Leave only > data on the 80 gigs and it will sleep when appropriate while the 20 > gigger will be still busy with cron jobs and other maintenance. ...assuming your drives are set to go to sleep. Just like the 'should you turn your computer off at night?' debate, though, there's the question of whether increased stress from starting and stopping the drive will shorten its life significantly, so many of us leave our drives spinning at all times. If you have yours sleep, though, then I agree that you should make sure that they're not going be get woken up just for swap. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Tue Mar 19 11:50:02 2002 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall for RH6.2 Message-ID: <200203191752.g2JHqBh06292@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Check out a program named pmfirewall http://www.pointman.org It is by far the easiest ipchains firewall system to configure and deploy > Anybody have recommendations for firewall software for a RH6.2 box? I > am digging through the ipchains material as we speak and was hoping for > a piece of software that would abstract some of the nitty-gritty details > for a rookie like me. > > I have been monitoring the list and saw some people use IPCOP but that > requires it's own box. This box will function has the firewall to the > internal network and is currently serving as the DHCP server. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jason Lanpher http://www.stealthnetworking.com jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.browncollege.edu jlanpher@staff.browncollege.edu Work: 651-905-3400 ext 311 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 11:52:14 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? In-Reply-To: <20020319004518.L28620@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:45:18AM -0600 References: <20020319004518.L28620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319115109.D11976@real-time.com> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:45:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone read anything about distributed compilation of the kernel? no, but the thought did occur to me the other day, as a possible excuse to buy a Rocketcalc box. (www.rocketcalc.com). ;) > I'm talking about distributing the compile of the kernel across idle boxes on > your network. it's possible that just building a beowulf cluster (which is what you're looking for) and substituting 'pmake' for 'make' will do the job for some problems. from what I hear, tho, the linux kernel has some ugly build dependencies that the current kbuild _usually_ gets right; but Owen gave a presentation at a linux conference in April last year (forgot which one) where he talks about problems that exist in the current make dependencies (this is not the same thing as ESR's CML2; which is just a tool to create the makefiles). so trying to distribute the build process across multiple machines may be a bit hairier than you might think. that said, it's probably a worthwhile thing to look into. I don't see that there is much difference between 'make -j 14' on one box; and having a make process that distributes those make processes across several machines which NFS-mount the repository. you might want to look at Mosix; and ask them if anyone has experimented with parallel make processes for the linux kernel. > Something ala pvm. NOT like a cluster. pvm is what beowulf clustering uses (tho it could be that I'm equivocating here). you're probably thinking of other types of clustering; for redundancy or network load-balancing, which most certainly aren't appropriate here. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jack at jacku.com Tue Mar 19 12:10:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall for RH6.2 In-Reply-To: <3C9731A4.69232D72@mn.uswest.net> References: <3C9731A4.69232D72@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <02031912094800.00793@geezer> On Tuesday 19 March 2002 06:40, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Anybody have recommendations for firewall software for a RH6.2 box? I > am digging through the ipchains material as we speak and was hoping for > a piece of software that would abstract some of the nitty-gritty details > for a rookie like me. > > I have been monitoring the list and saw some people use IPCOP but that > requires it's own box. This box will function has the firewall to the > internal network and is currently serving as the DHCP server. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > If you are running webmin on the box, or would consider that an option, there is a nice ipchains module for that. It allows a couple of levels of configuration. Check the third party modules page off of http://www.webmin.com/webmin. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From joellist at litriusgroup.com Tue Mar 19 13:04:01 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor Message-ID: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> I'll give the problem first, specs second. When I try to issue the command: iptables -P input DENY I get the following error: iptables: Bad built-in chain name if I change it to: iptables -P INPUT DENY The error changes to: iptables: Bad policy name It seems that if I change DENY to DROP, it accepts the rule. It seems that the only TARGETS that I can apply are DROP and ACCEPT. I'm not sure exactly what is going wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Specs: platform RH7.2 Iptables RPM installed: iptables-1.2.4-2 newly compiled 2.4.9-31 kernel configuration I used under "networking options" when I compiled the kernel: Packet socket: mmapped IO [y] Kernel/User netlink socket [y] Routing messages [y] Netlink device emulation [y] Network Packet filtering [y] Network packet filtering debugging [n] Socket filtering [y] Unix domain sockets [y] TCP/IP networking [y] TUX External CGI module [y] extended TUX logging format [n] debug TUX [n] IP: multicastings [n] IP: advanced Router [y] IP: policy routing [y] IP: use netfilter MARK value as routing key [y] IP: fast network address translation [y] IP: equal cost mulitpath [y] IP: use TOS value as routing key [y] IP: verbose route monitoring [y] IP: large routing tables [y] IP: kernel level autoconfiguration [n] IP: tunneling IP: GRE tunnels over IP IP: arp daemon support [n] IP: TCP explicit congestion notification support [n] IP: TCP syncookie support [y] The IPv6 protocol [n] ATM [n] The IPX protocol [n] Appletalk protocol support [n] DECnet support [n] 802.1d Ethernet Bridging [n] CCITT X.25 Packet Layer [n] LAPB Data Link Driver [n] 802.2 LLC [n] Frame Diverter [n] Acorn Econet/AUN protocols [n] WAN router [n] Fast switching [n] Forwarding between high speed interfaces [n] *** Netfilter Configuration Sub-Menu options *** Connection tracking FTP protocol support IRC protocol support Userspace queueing via NETLINK IP tables support limit match support MAC address match support netfilter MARK match support Multiple port match support TOS match support tcpmss match support Connection state match support Unclean match support Owner match support Packet filtering REJECT target support MIRROR target support Full NAT MASQUERADE target support REDIRECT target support Packet mangling TOS target support MARK target support LOG target support TCPMSS target support ipchains (2.2-style) support [n] ipfwadm (2.0-style) support [n] ***** IP: Virtual Server Configuration ******** virtual server support [n] ****** QoS and/or fair queueing ******* QoS and/or fair queueing [y] CBQ packet scheduler CSZ packet scheduler The simplest PRIO pseudoschedular RED queue SFQ queue TEQL queue TBF queue GRED queue Diffserv field marker Ingress Qdisc QoS support [y] Rate estimator [y] Packet classifier API [y] TC index classifier Routing table based classifier Firewall based classifier U32 classifier Special RSVP classifier Special RSVP classifier Traffic policing [n] From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 19 13:11:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? Message-ID: I think Bob is thinking of a kind of distributed processing more than clustering. Clustering seems (at least to me) to reduce the utility of the hardware used for other purposes. A distributed processing type that is less "life changing" for workstations is nice when you still want to use those workstation for other things. Examples would be distributed.net, Seti@Home (the search-for-aliens-in-static one), and programs like Pooch (http://daugerresearch.com/pooch/). Is that what you are thinking of Bob? A "pooch" for linux, or maybe a cross platform "puppie"? I'd like that... >>> chrome@real-time.com 03/19/02 11:51AM >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:45:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm talking about distributing the compile of the kernel across idle boxes on > your network. it's possible that just building a beowulf cluster (which is what you're looking for) and substituting 'pmake' for 'make' will do the job for some problems. ...... > Something ala pvm. NOT like a cluster. pvm is what beowulf clustering uses (tho it could be that I'm equivocating here). you're probably thinking of other types of clustering; for redundancy or network load-balancing, which most certainly aren't appropriate here. From lbehrens at boolion.com Tue Mar 19 13:15:08 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Another reason not to go Windows XP Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:29:32 -0600 From: Bob Tanner > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivingston.xml > XP's license forbids the use of VNC! I read the entire EULA to get the license quote in context. Hmmmm. Now my understanding of what Microsoft is saying may be flawed. But it looks to me like the average person could easily interpret the agreement such that it forbids a heck of a lot more than just VNC. Reading literally, allowing any non-MS client software running on a non-XP machine to connect to the corresponding server(s) running on your XP box is forbidden. The plot gets better and better. Wheee! Lee From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Mar 19 13:19:02 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would think that you could use mosix (http://www.mosix.org/) for something like this. I have not tried this myself yet though. Jeff On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I think Bob is thinking of a kind of distributed > processing more than clustering. Clustering > seems (at least to me) to reduce the utility of > the hardware used for other purposes. A > distributed processing type that is less "life > changing" for workstations is nice when you > still want to use those workstation for other > things. > > Examples would be distributed.net, Seti@Home > (the search-for-aliens-in-static one), and > programs like Pooch > (http://daugerresearch.com/pooch/). > > Is that what you are thinking of Bob? A "pooch" > for linux, or maybe a cross platform "puppie"? I'd > like that... > > >>> chrome@real-time.com 03/19/02 11:51AM >>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:45:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I'm talking about distributing the compile of the kernel across idle boxes on > > your network. > it's possible that just building a beowulf cluster (which is what > you're looking for) and substituting 'pmake' for 'make' will do the job for > some problems. > ...... > > Something ala pvm. NOT like a cluster. > pvm is what beowulf clustering uses (tho it could be that I'm > equivocating here). you're probably thinking of other types of clustering; > for redundancy or network load-balancing, which most certainly aren't > appropriate here. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Mar 19 13:29:01 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor In-Reply-To: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro>; from joellist@litriusgroup.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:02:38PM -0800 References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <20020319132859.A25154@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:02:38PM -0800, destr0 wrote: > I'll give the problem first, specs second. > > When I try to issue the command: > iptables -P input DENY > > I get the following error: > iptables: Bad built-in chain name > > if I change it to: > iptables -P INPUT DENY > > The error changes to: > iptables: Bad policy name > > It seems that if I change DENY to DROP, it accepts the rule. It seems that > the only TARGETS that I can apply are DROP and ACCEPT. I'm not sure exactly > what is going wrong. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Consulting "man iptables" I see that allowable targets are the "name of a user-defined chain or one of the special values ACCEPT, DROP, QUEUE, or RETURN." Thus, DROP and ACCEPT are valid, but DENY is not. The older ipchains system used DENY, not DROP. So far, all is working OK. What are you trying to accomplish? -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From feist at borg.umn.edu Tue Mar 19 13:32:01 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor In-Reply-To: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro>; from joellist@litriusgroup.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:02:38PM -0800 References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <20020319133146.A5798@borg.umn.edu> I don't think anything is going wrong. They changed the DENY keyword in ipchains to DROP. Same meaning just different word. I also believe that the built-in chains are case sensitive. (ie. must be all caps). Chris On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:02:38PM -0800, destr0 wrote: > I'll give the problem first, specs second. > > When I try to issue the command: > iptables -P input DENY > > I get the following error: > iptables: Bad built-in chain name > > if I change it to: > iptables -P INPUT DENY > > The error changes to: > iptables: Bad policy name > > It seems that if I change DENY to DROP, it accepts the rule. It seems that > the only TARGETS that I can apply are DROP and ACCEPT. I'm not sure exactly > what is going wrong. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Specs: > platform RH7.2 > Iptables RPM installed: iptables-1.2.4-2 > newly compiled 2.4.9-31 kernel > configuration I used under "networking options" when I compiled the kernel: > > Packet socket: mmapped IO [y] > Kernel/User netlink socket [y] > Routing messages [y] > Netlink device emulation [y] > Network Packet filtering [y] > Network packet filtering debugging [n] > Socket filtering [y] > Unix domain sockets [y] > TCP/IP networking [y] > TUX > External CGI module [y] > extended TUX logging format [n] > debug TUX [n] > IP: multicastings [n] > IP: advanced Router [y] > IP: policy routing [y] > IP: use netfilter MARK value as routing key [y] > IP: fast network address translation [y] > IP: equal cost mulitpath [y] > IP: use TOS value as routing key [y] > IP: verbose route monitoring [y] > IP: large routing tables [y] > IP: kernel level autoconfiguration [n] > IP: tunneling > IP: GRE tunnels over IP > IP: arp daemon support [n] > IP: TCP explicit congestion notification support [n] > IP: TCP syncookie support [y] > The IPv6 protocol [n] > ATM [n] > The IPX protocol [n] > Appletalk protocol support [n] > DECnet support [n] > 802.1d Ethernet Bridging [n] > CCITT X.25 Packet Layer [n] > LAPB Data Link Driver [n] > 802.2 LLC [n] > Frame Diverter [n] > Acorn Econet/AUN protocols [n] > WAN router [n] > Fast switching [n] > Forwarding between high speed interfaces [n] > > *** Netfilter Configuration Sub-Menu options *** > Connection tracking > FTP protocol support > IRC protocol support > Userspace queueing via NETLINK > IP tables support > limit match support > MAC address match support > netfilter MARK match support > Multiple port match support > TOS match support > tcpmss match support > Connection state match support > Unclean match support > Owner match support > Packet filtering > REJECT target support > MIRROR target support > Full NAT > MASQUERADE target support > REDIRECT target support > Packet mangling > TOS target support > MARK target support > LOG target support > TCPMSS target support > ipchains (2.2-style) support [n] > ipfwadm (2.0-style) support [n] > > ***** IP: Virtual Server Configuration ******** > virtual server support [n] > > ****** QoS and/or fair queueing ******* > QoS and/or fair queueing [y] > CBQ packet scheduler > CSZ packet scheduler > The simplest PRIO pseudoschedular > RED queue > SFQ queue > TEQL queue > TBF queue > GRED queue > Diffserv field marker > Ingress Qdisc > QoS support [y] > Rate estimator [y] > Packet classifier API [y] > TC index classifier > Routing table based classifier > Firewall based classifier > U32 classifier > Special RSVP classifier > Special RSVP classifier > Traffic policing [n] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Mar 19 14:13:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020319113207.A9305@sherohman.org> References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> <20020318185353.A3894@sherohman.org> <20020319011625.GC4691@iucha.net> <20020319113207.A9305@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020319201250.GE4691@iucha.net> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:32:07AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > There is the question of whether the RAID manager is smart enough to > just read off the smaller drive when the larger is otherwise > occupied. If the other drive is busy reading/writing to a partition the RAID controller does not care about then... the RAID controller does not care about :) and will merrily schedule balance the requests. > Any other problems you can put your finger on or is it > just an intuitive thing? > > > Hmm... it's not worth to put a 80 gig HDD to work just because the > > kernel feels like distributing the 2 megs it has to swap. Leave only > > data on the 80 gigs and it will sleep when appropriate while the 20 > > gigger will be still busy with cron jobs and other maintenance. > > ...assuming your drives are set to go to sleep. Just like the > 'should you turn your computer off at night?' debate, though, there's > the question of whether increased stress from starting and stopping > the drive will shorten its life significantly, so many of us leave > our drives spinning at all times. If you have yours sleep, though, > then I agree that you should make sure that they're not going be get > woken up just for swap. I do let my computer up all the time, but the harddrives go to sleep after one hour of inactivity. And I do not have any hopes of my current IDE drives to work for more than 3-4 years. OTOH the SCSI drives in my sparcs were made in '94-'95 and I bet they haven't been unplugged for more than a month since they left the factory. /me knocks on wood. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was doing an X programming class and some of compiles would take 2 hours. With pvm we where able to parallelize the make across all decstations, make compiled come in at aroudn 20mins. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 14:30:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? Message-ID: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? I mean they had a monopoly in places like Qworst land. Why kill the the product? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 14:35:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x Message-ID: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Mar 19 14:39:00 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail problem Message-ID: <1754.204.220.56.2.1016570290.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I am using Request Tracker on RedHat 7.1. I can create tickets via email, but the requestor does not receive anything back on open or on comment. I have added the proper info in smrsh, and in /etc/aliases. This is what my send mail says: Mar 19 08:52:47 support sendmail[12249]: NOQUEUE: support.lctn.k12.mn.us [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to Daemon0 Mar 19 08:52:47 support sendmail[12250]: g2JEqlI12250: from=apache, size=805, class=0, nrcpts=0, msgid=, relay=apache@localhost Sendmail works fine for everything else. Any idea what this means? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 2 Centry Av Hutchinson, MN. 320-234-0270 From joellist at litriusgroup.com Tue Mar 19 14:54:00 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> <20020319132859.A25154@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <002e01c1cf98$d35c3a60$8002a8c0@destro> Anyone know some websites that have decent pre-made iptables scripts that I can look at to get some ideas for my own firewall? From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Mar 19 15:00:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> References: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319205929.GA3294@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020319 14:36]: > From Dennis (Real Time's sale rep), from our Qwest sales rep. Here is what Qwest > is looking at replace the 67x with. Whats the price point on this sucker? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 19 15:52:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? Conspiracy Theorists would say that MSN has their fingers into it. From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 19 15:54:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020319205929.GA3294@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > Whats the price point on this sucker? I was wondering this too. The case looks like cheap plastic to me, reminds me of those cursed RCA cable modems *shudder* -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 19 16:04:09 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> References: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319220318.GG29722@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:29:32PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? > > I mean they had a monopoly in places like Qworst land. Why kill the the product? Phase out CBOS? EOL doesn't mean dead, at least for a few years, anyway. I'll still use my Cisco 675 for a couple years to come at least. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020319/a0595844/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 19 16:04:50 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> References: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319220130.GF29722@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:35:04PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > From Dennis (Real Time's sale rep), from our Qwest sales rep. Here is > what Qwest is looking at replace the 67x with. > > http://www.arescom.com/New/Products%20Page/Stored%20Products%20Pages/NetDSL1000%20Page/NetDSL1000.htm Ick. No serial interface. No end-user customer support from the manufacturer. Basically, Qwest will be getting into the "cable box" business. You won't be able to configure a thing, accordint to their FAQ. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020319/92b22411/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 16:08:00 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Revolution OS In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:14:28AM -0600 References: <20020318234248.N14418@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020319160543.H20695@real-time.com> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:14:28AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > | Anyone else watch the "Revolution OS" documentary tonight on Showtime's > | Sundance channel (http://www.sundancechannel.com/popup/?ixFilmID=1467)? > > Yes. Liked it I did. If anyone doesn't get the Sundance channel and would > like to see it pop me an e-mail off list and I can have TiVo dump it to a > VHS. it might be cool to show it at a TCLUG meeting; but I suspect there's probably something in the copyright about prohibiting rebroadcast/reshowing of it... :( of course if we were to just *happen* to be over at Zibby's house and *happen* have a beer or two for him and he *happened* to be watching it at the time, well, that might be another matter. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 16:15:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:10:50PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020319161432.I20695@real-time.com> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:10:50PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I think Bob is thinking of a kind of distributed > processing more than clustering. I'd still call that a variety of clustering. PVM makes a number of machines work together on a single problem; as such, I regard that as a 'cluster'. > Clustering > seems (at least to me) to reduce the utility of > the hardware used for other purposes. not from what I've seen of the Mosix project. there are a number of ways to configure a mosix cluster; from full-time cluster member, to 'workstation that can submit jobs to cluster', to 'cluster member after working hours'. I don't know if mosix uses PVM (I think that's more of a separate layer, that can be orthogonal to mosix cluster membership). but the priciple holds (especially in bob's example); that any machine can be part of a cluster (subject to administrative constraints), and participate with minimal detriment to itself. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 16:20:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.2 local copy Message-ID: <20020319162009.X24905@real-time.com> Mandrake 8.2 is available on ftp.mn-linux.org ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/misc_iso/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 19 16:24:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributed compilation of kernel? Message-ID: Cool! >>> chrome@real-time.com 03/19/02 04:14PM >>> I don't know if mosix uses PVM (I think that's more of a separate layer, that can be orthogonal to mosix cluster membership). but the priciple holds (especially in bob's example); that any machine can be part of a cluster (subject to administrative constraints), and participate with minimal detriment to itself. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 16:26:08 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020319205929.GA3294@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:59:29PM -0600 References: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> <20020319205929.GA3294@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020319162446.Y24905@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [020319 14:36]: > > From Dennis (Real Time's sale rep), from our Qwest sales rep. Here is what Qwest > > is looking at replace the 67x with. > > Whats the price point on this sucker? > I couldn't find it on their site and CDW, Ingram do not sell it. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Mar 19 16:32:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor In-Reply-To: <002e01c1cf98$d35c3a60$8002a8c0@destro> References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> <20020319132859.A25154@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <002e01c1cf98$d35c3a60$8002a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <1016577263.27291.153.camel@Dart-83_linux> On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 16:52, destr0 wrote: > Anyone know some websites that have decent pre-made iptables scripts that I > can look at to get some ideas for my own firewall? > Check these out at freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=iptables§ion=projects -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Tue Mar 19 16:43:39 2002 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (ryan goldberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor In-Reply-To: <002e01c1cf98$d35c3a60$8002a8c0@destro> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, destr0 wrote: >Anyone know some websites that have decent pre-made iptables scripts that I >can look at to get some ideas for my own firewall? I do suspect that this is the most succint script available: http://netfilter.gnumonks.org/documentation/HOWTO/packet-filtering-HOWTO-5.html -Ryan From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 19 16:50:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x Message-ID: Great. By the time I can get DSL you won't be able to run servers on it. Lame. My dislike for Qwest increases over time... >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/19/02 04:01PM >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:35:04PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > From Dennis (Real Time's sale rep), from our Qwest sales rep. Here is > what Qwest is looking at replace the 67x with. Ick. No serial interface. No end-user customer support from the manufacturer. Basically, Qwest will be getting into the "cable box" business. You won't be able to configure a thing, accordint to their FAQ. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 19 17:47:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor In-Reply-To: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <20020319234358.GA1418@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:02:38PM -0800, destr0 wrote: > I'll give the problem first, specs second. > > When I try to issue the command: > iptables -P input DENY WRONG! ;-) # For IPTABLES ONLY... ipchains -P input DENY # For IPCHANINS ONLY... iptables -P input DROP See also: ipchains(1), iptables(1), RTFM, STFW -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[root@pelican lib]# cd /var/tmp/apt [root@pelican apt]# ls apt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm libapt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm apt4rpm-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm XML-Simple-1.06-1.i386.rpm [root@pelican apt]# rpm -Uhv *.rpm error: failed dependencies: librpm.so.0 is needed by apt-0.3.19CVS-20011212 [root@pelican apt]# ls -l /usr/lib/librpm.* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 366990 Sep 6 2001 /usr/lib/librpm.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 716 Sep 6 2001 /usr/lib/librpm.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Oct 26 05:52 /usr/lib/librpm.so -> librpm-4.0.3.so I believe I have the latest version of rpm: [root@pelican apt]# rpm -q rpm rpm-4.0.3-1.03 And the apt rpms I just downloaded on Friday so they should be current. How can I get around this dependency? I tried symbolically linking librpm-4.0.3.so to librpm.so.0 the installing with --nodeps but then apt-get fails: [root@pelican apt]# apt-get apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/librpm.so.0: undefined symbol: chroot_prefix Thanks for any help you can offer. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From distiller at arabia.com Tue Mar 19 18:16:34 2002 From: distiller at arabia.com (Dr. M. Legendre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020319180433.646bac8e.distiller@arabia.com> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:46:47 -0600 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Great. By the time I can get DSL you won't be > able to run servers on it. Lame. My dislike for > Qwest increases over time... Sure you'll be able to run servers, provided you set up a box for ipmasq & firewall, or pop the $79.00 for a Linksys DSL/Cable router. You still get an IP.. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 18:23:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing apt & apt4rpm In-Reply-To: <20020319135704.K3733@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:57:04PM -0600 References: <20020319135704.K3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319182318.D24905@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > Trying to install apt so I can play with apt4rpm. > > [root@pelican lib]# cd /var/tmp/apt > [root@pelican apt]# ls > apt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm libapt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm > apt4rpm-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm XML-Simple-1.06-1.i386.rpm Umm, those aren't -my- apt rpms. Look http://www.sf.net/projects/rte for my patched/hacked rpms. apt-0.3.19cnc55-1sp_rh7x_realtime.x.i386.rpm Not sure what version is on SF, but latest is 4 -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 18:28:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail problem In-Reply-To: <1754.204.220.56.2.1016570290.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:38:10PM -0600 References: <1754.204.220.56.2.1016570290.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020319182825.E24905@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > I am using Request Tracker on RedHat 7.1. I can create tickets via email, > but the requestor does not receive anything back on open or on comment. I > have added the proper info in smrsh, and in /etc/aliases. > > This is what my send mail says: > > > Mar 19 08:52:47 support sendmail[12249]: NOQUEUE: support.lctn.k12.mn.us > [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to Daemon0 > Mar 19 08:52:47 support sendmail[12250]: g2JEqlI12250: from=apache, > size=805, class=0, nrcpts=0, msgid= 11.17.1121110910061@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>, relay=apache@localhost > > Sendmail works fine for everything else. Any idea what this means? You have the wrong permissions or you don't have permissions to run sendmail. I am assuming you are invoking /usr/lib/sendmail Is sendmail suid root? What are the perms of sendmail What the perms of /var/spool/mqueue? What version of sendmail are you running? Are you running smrsh? Is Request tracker in the /etc/smrsh or /etc/mail/smrsh area? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joellist at litriusgroup.com Tue Mar 19 18:45:02 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my sad little iptables endeavor References: <015c01c1cf89$678eb740$8002a8c0@destro> <20020319234358.GA1418@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <001601c1cfb9$07c142d0$8002a8c0@destro> >WRONG! ;-) > > # For IPTABLES ONLY... > ipchains -P input DENY > ># For IPCHANINS ONLY... >iptables -P input DROP > >See also: ipchains(1), iptables(1), RTFM, STFW I was actually RTFM'ing, I got a book, and for some f'd reason the first two example scripts have bad commands (i.e. the ones you saw me trying to use) Then the scripts later on in the chapter are the correct syntax. From peter-clark at tides.com Tue Mar 19 21:06:01 2002 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.2 Message-ID: <200203200227.g2K2R2H142320@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Would someone be willing to burn Mdk 8.2 in exchange for blank CDRs? I live in Fridley and would be willing to pick them up Wednesday or Friday evening. Respond off list. Thanks, :Peter From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 21:14:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.2 In-Reply-To: <200203200227.g2K2R2H142320@pimout2-int.prodigy.net>; from peter-clark@tides.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:26:35PM -0600 References: <200203200227.g2K2R2H142320@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20020319211338.L24905@real-time.com> Quoting Peter Clark (peter-clark@tides.com): > Would someone be willing to burn Mdk 8.2 in exchange for blank CDRs? I > live in Fridley and would be willing to pick them up Wednesday or Friday > evening. Respond off list. Sorry, I'll respond on list, in case others want to know this. Real Time will gladly burn anyone cds for any linux distro that is open source for a media swap or $1/cdr. Just send email to support@real-time.com when you want to stop by and one of use will burn you cds. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Mar 19 21:24:01 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.2 In-Reply-To: <20020319211338.L24905@real-time.com> References: <20020319211338.L24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1862.65.25.250.52.1016594719.squirrel@sodatrain.com> > Quoting Peter Clark (peter-clark@tides.com): >> Would someone be willing to burn Mdk 8.2 in exchange for blank CDRs? >> I live in Fridley and would be willing to pick them up Wednesday or >> Friday evening. Respond off list. > > Sorry, I'll respond on list, in case others want to know this. > > Real Time will gladly burn anyone cds for any linux distro that is open > source for a media swap or $1/cdr. > as another option... there is always cheapbytes.com duncan From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 21:30:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown Message-ID: <20020319212825.N24905@real-time.com> Crap! ----- Forwarded message from ORBZ ----- Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I don't want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 19 22:09:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown In-Reply-To: <20020319212825.N24905@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:28:25PM -0600 References: <20020319212825.N24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020319220844.T24905@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones > are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear > and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on > this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). Given that ORBZ is going away, I'm activating the following anti-spam measures. relays.ordb.org sbl.spamhaus.org spamhaus.relays.osirusoft.com Just to keep everyone informed. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Mar 20 00:11:58 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020319220130.GF29722@wookimus.net> References: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> <20020319220130.GF29722@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020320052258.GC3294@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [020319 16:05]: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:35:04PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > From Dennis (Real Time's sale rep), from our Qwest sales rep. Here is > > what Qwest is looking at replace the 67x with. > > http://www.arescom.com/New/Products%20Page/Stored%20Products%20Pages/NetDSL1000%20Page/NetDSL1000.htm > Ick. No serial interface. No end-user customer support from the > manufacturer. Basically, Qwest will be getting into the "cable box" Ick, at least the 2wire device has a management webpage. Serial interfaces on consumer products are going away, though. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Mar 20 00:15:29 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Revolution OS In-Reply-To: <20020319160543.H20695@real-time.com> References: <20020318234248.N14418@joelschneider.net> <20020319160543.H20695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020320052151.GB3294@ringworld.org> > it might be cool to show it at a TCLUG meeting; but I suspect there's > probably something in the copyright about prohibiting rebroadcast/reshowing We arent charging, and its a 'private' performance, you need to be part of TCLUG to see it. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 00:20:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020320052258.GC3294@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:22:58PM -0600 References: <20020319143504.J24905@real-time.com> <20020319220130.GF29722@wookimus.net> <20020320052258.GC3294@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020320001958.A25348@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > Ick. No serial interface. No end-user customer support from the > > manufacturer. Basically, Qwest will be getting into the "cable box" Hmm, I think this is a good thing for qwest, they aren't the ISP anymore. MSN is the ISP. So, if I was a big, horseshit company like Qwest and just provided the copper, I'd want something cheap and "cable box"-ish as well. Give all the headaches of support to MSN. It's nice(?) to see Qwest messes with big companys and consumers equally. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mike at Jentges.NET Wed Mar 20 04:35:03 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: <20020319220318.GG29722@wookimus.net> Message-ID: > > Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? > > > > I mean they had a monopoly in places like Qworst land. Why kill the the product? > > Phase out CBOS? EOL doesn't mean dead, at least for a few years, Probably, since they can't seem to produce a decent version. > anyway. I'll still use my Cisco 675 for a couple years to come at least. 678 maybe, but 675? Don't bet on it. Qwest hasn't sold/used the 675 for quite some time now, AFAIK. They were telling new customers that the 675 would not work with the lines now, or soon wouldn't. Details are fuzzy but something to do with CAP and DMT or some such. I know there are 2 different CBOS' for the 678 and it pertains to this somehow. If anyone knows more details, I'd be interested. I've got one of each here, would like to know what the real story is. Mike Jentges > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) > From mike at Jentges.NET Wed Mar 20 04:45:02 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x In-Reply-To: <20020320001958.A25348@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Hmm, I think this is a good thing for qwest, they aren't the ISP anymore. MSN is > the ISP. So, if I was a big, horseshit company like Qwest and just provided the > copper, I'd want something cheap and "cable box"-ish as well. Give all the > headaches of support to MSN. > > It's nice(?) to see Qwest messes with big companys and consumers equally. > Ahh yes. A match made in heaven. When I got DSL they sent me 2 Ciscos, and while the guy was here installing it, (security system issues) they called trying to sell me DSL. :) Since MSN is in the picture now, I suppose there will be a (5) user license requirement for home DSL subscribers or some such too eh? Mike Jentges From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 20 09:59:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Qwest proposed replacement for Cisco 67x Message-ID: I was thinking they'd get more fascist as time moves on: "Vee haff now blocked ports 0 to 1024 for your security and convenience. Good Day!". ;-) >>> distiller@arabia.com 03/19/02 06:04PM >>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:46:47 -0600 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Great. By the time I can get DSL you won't be > able to run servers on it. Lame. My dislike for > Qwest increases over time... Sure you'll be able to run servers, provided you set up a box for ipmasq & firewall, or pop the $79.00 for a Linksys DSL/Cable router. You still get an IP.. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 10:49:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? > > I mean they had a monopoly in places like Qworst land. Why kill the > the product? My bet is that it's not really Cisco, so they don't want to keep maintaining a non-IOS device. I mean, the 67x's really do suck.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Mar 20 11:00:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: References: <20020319142932.H24905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020320170005.GA21996@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [020320 10:49]: > My bet is that it's not really Cisco, so they don't want to keep > maintaining a non-IOS device. Cisco having NIH syndrome really wouldn't surprise me. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From doughanson at attbi.com Wed Mar 20 11:14:01 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 Message-ID: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Greetings, We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a print server. Thanks, -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Mar 20 11:27:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? Just use whichever distribution you're comfortable with. Assuming it's available for SPARC. I've used Red Hat and debian on SPARCs and they both pretty much run the same, so go with whatever you already know. -Yaron -- From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Mar 20 11:27:35 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Why did Cisco EOL the 67x? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MJ writes: > > > Anyone know why Cisco EOL'd the 67x? > > > > > > I mean they had a monopoly in places like Qworst land. Why kill the the product? > > > > Phase out CBOS? EOL doesn't mean dead, at least for a few years, > > Probably, since they can't seem to produce a decent version. > > > anyway. I'll still use my Cisco 675 for a couple years to come at least. > > 678 maybe, but 675? Don't bet on it. Qwest hasn't sold/used the 675 for > quite some time now, AFAIK. They were telling new customers that the 675 > would not work with the lines now, or soon wouldn't. Details are fuzzy but > something to do with CAP and DMT or some such. I know there are 2 > different CBOS' for the 678 and it pertains to this somehow. I'm running a 675 happily so far. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 20 11:29:01 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> References: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <1016641909.22283.11.camel@money> redhat 6.2 has sparc support. http://www.ultralinux.org/ may be worth looking at. lookslike debian has a port http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ there is also a sparc linux how-to http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SPARC-HOWTO.html have fun. On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 11:13, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > print server. > > Thanks, > -- > Doug > doughanson@attbi.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Wed Mar 20 11:29:28 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > print server. > I think that Debian is the only currently active sparc distribution. I could be wrong. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Mar 20 11:36:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> References: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <20020320113537.B2645@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 05:13:32PM +0000, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > print server. Well, I run Debian Linux [1] on a Sparc IPX and an Ultra 1 and I am pretty happy with it. There are a few quirks with running Debian on Sparc hardware as opposed to i386, but that's going to be true of any alternate architecture. Also, right now there is very minimal support of 32 bit Sparc in the 2.4 Linux kernels, which can be kind of a hassle (see the Debian Sparc list archive [2] or the LKML archive for more details [3]). So I'm not sure how well you'll be able to get SMP working right now - I know that I've seen posts where people discussed there results, but I don't remember the results. I also know that there are other Linux distros that support Sparcs to various extents, but I don't have any experience with them. Take a look at the UltraLinux[4] page for lots of good info and links on Linux on Sparc. I know some of the BSDs work on Sparc, but somebody else will have to speak to how well. 1. http://www.debian.org/ 2. http://lists.debian.org/ports.html 3. http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/linux-kernel/ 4. http://www.ultralinux.org/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From eejohnso at uhhh.org Wed Mar 20 11:38:00 2002 From: eejohnso at uhhh.org (Erik Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: A friend once told me that SuSE had very good Sparc support, and that's what he used. His x86 hardware is all RedHat. I could ask him what prompted that decision if you're interested. If it's just a print server though, it probably doesn't matter much. EE On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > print server. From skodak at cs.umn.edu Wed Mar 20 11:41:00 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on Disk On Chip In-Reply-To: <20020320113537.B2645@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi I am building an embedded system. I want to Install linux on to a Disk-on -Chip. I would be grateful to you if you could help me out/Send me some links explaining how to install linux on Disk-on-Chip. Thanks Sreekumar From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 12:25:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on Disk On Chip In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 11:41:08AM -0600 References: <20020320113537.B2645@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020320122441.Q14023@real-time.com> Quoting Sreekumar Kodakara (skodak@cs.umn.edu): > Hi > I am building an embedded system. I want to Install linux on to a Disk-on > -Chip. I would be grateful to you if you could help me out/Send me some > links explaining how to install linux on Disk-on-Chip. > Thanks Try searching google for "peewee linux" I believe the url is www.pwl.org, but I can't remember right now. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 20 12:49:01 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on Disk On Chip In-Reply-To: <20020320122441.Q14023@real-time.com> References: <20020320113537.B2645@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20020320122441.Q14023@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016646723.22441.30.camel@money> I believe the url is www.pwl.org, but I nope. that goes to an earthlink 404 page this looks closer. http://embedded.adis.on.ca/ From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 20 13:16:02 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in Message-ID: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 20 13:41:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? Edit /etc/motd florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020320/9b5ef04b/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 13:57:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:41:11PM -0600 References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020320135722.P24620@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? > > Edit /etc/motd Techincally that is not really a popup. :-) But it will do the trick. I assume the desktop is running Linux, right? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 20 14:07:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Wednesday 20 March 2002 01:41 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? > > Edit /etc/motd That work with X? Jay From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 20 14:14:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu>; from garay002@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600 References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020320141358.C15856@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? You could set up swatch to monitor one of the log files in /var/log that gets updated when people log in (auth.log ...). As for pop-up windows, maybe use Tcl/Tk to write a simple script - see http://tcl.activestate.com/ for more info. Joel From clay at fandre.com Wed Mar 20 14:15:49 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> Message-ID: <20020320201435.GA19472@fandre.com> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wednesday 20 March 2002 01:41 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > > > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > > > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? > > > > Edit /etc/motd > > That work with X? > No. Try xmessage. 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Garayt wrote: > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? man wish -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 20 14:22:01 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in (part deux) Message-ID: <3C98EF5F.26F529D5@tc.umn.edu> Yup, I'm running MandrakeLinux 8.0. No windo$e. What I want is a pop-up window that comes up after X/desktop is up. Will your suggestion make a difference on which desktop they use? I guess it really won't matter since they only use KDE in spite of my encouragement to try the others. From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 20 14:23:41 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020320202058.GC3930@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: >I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the >desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. >I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? xmessage "DO YOUR HOMEWORK\!" -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Garayt wrote: > > > > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > > > > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > > > > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Edit /etc/motd > > > > That work with X? > > > > No. Try xmessage. If you use gnome you can put it in the session > startup programs. Yeah, try xmessage in conjunction with notifyme: 4(sam) crumley% apt-cache show notifyme Package: notifyme Description: A program to notify the user when other one logs in Notifyme is a GPL'ed Unix (tested under Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD) console utility that stays in a background (it isn't a daemon but it doesn't block terminal) and prints a message if a specified login and/or logout occurs. In a resource file ($HOME/notify.rc by default) you can specify (extended regular expressions are allowed) usernames, hostnames and terminals that should be monitored, optional messages that will be displayed and other options (beep, report logouts etc.) See notifyrc.sample for examples. It should be self explanatory. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 20 14:31:00 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320194111.GA1893@iucha.net> <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> Message-ID: <20020320203025.GD3930@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 02:06:47PM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: >On Wednesday 20 March 2002 01:41 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: >> > I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the >> > desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. >> > I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? >> >> Edit /etc/motd > >That work with X? cat /etc/motd | xmessage -file - > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To pop up the contents of '/etc/motd', execute this from somewhere in the X desktop startup process (warning - marginal testing at best): "popup.pl" >>>>>START>>>>> #!/usr/bin/perl -w use Tk; my $filename = "/etc/motd"; my @contents = (); if (-r $filename) { open(F, "<$filename"); @contents = ; close(F); } else { @contents = ("Cannot open $filename."); } $displaytext = join('', @contents); my $mw = new MainWindow; $mw->title("Message of the Day"); $mw->Label( -text => $displaytext, )->pack; $mw->Button( -text => "Close", -command => sub { exit; }, )->pack; MainLoop; <<<<<>> garay002@tc.umn.edu 03/20/02 01:16PM >>> I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 20 14:34:16 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320202058.GC3930@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3C98F1E0.3D03185C@tc.umn.edu> ROTFL - You got it! and "Got off AIM!" lol Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > >I'd like to have a pop-up window with my own messages come up on the > >desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. > >I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? > > xmessage "DO YOUR HOMEWORK\!" > > -- > Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > Sistina Software Inc. > (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info > etc. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 20 14:34:48 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pop-up message box when login in In-Reply-To: <20020320141358.C15856@joelschneider.net> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320141358.C15856@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020320203200.GE3930@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 02:13:58PM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: >> desktop when my kids login. I'm wondering what I could use to do this. >> I have no clues on where to start with this idea. Any suggestions? >You could set up swatch to monitor one of the log files in /var/log that >gets updated when people log in (auth.log ...) You're working too hard there, why not just put a command or two into thier $HOME/.xsession or the system xsession (/etc/X11/xdm/Sessions) > >As for pop-up windows, maybe use Tcl/Tk to write a simple script - see >http://tcl.activestate.com/ for more info. Again, you're working too hard. Why reinvent the wheel, just use xmessage. It's ugly as hell but it gets the job done. >Joel >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Under GNOME it can be config'd to put up a module dialog with the contents of /etc/motd in it. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dave at rightwithgod.org Wed Mar 20 16:06:01 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 References: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <3C9907E9.1000000@rightwithgod.org> doughanson@attbi.com wrote: >Greetings, > >We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would >like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone >recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this >type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a >print server. > >Thanks, >-- >Doug >doughanson@attbi.com >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I dont know how far along the porting is but Slackware has a Sparc port avalable here: http://www.slackware.com/ports/sparc/ -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 16:24:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] skipjack is Redhat 7.3 beta Message-ID: <20020320162408.R24620@real-time.com> The latest redhat beta on ftp.mn-linux.org -is- a beta of Redhat 7.3 Red Hat Linux 7.2.92 Release Notes I have not been given permission to flip the bits open for public download yet. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 20 16:57:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] skipjack is Redhat 7.3 beta In-Reply-To: <20020320162408.R24620@real-time.com> References: <20020320162408.R24620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020320225627.GC1893@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 04:24:08PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > The latest redhat beta on ftp.mn-linux.org -is- a beta of Redhat 7.3 > > Red Hat Linux 7.2.92 Release Notes > > I have not been given permission to flip the bits open for public download yet. Wow! 7.3? That would be a first for RedHat. OTOH, the longer they delay the .0 the better. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020320/9f945c2f/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 17:09:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO for iomojo camera server Message-ID: <20020320115718.S3733@real-time.com> Does anyone have a copy of the ISO image for the iomojo camera server? (www.iomojo.com) I've been trying to download it for the past few weeks. I've tried emailing support, sales, etc but no response. It's like they went out of business... If anyone has a copy let me know. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 17:09:24 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openldap and ssl/tls support Message-ID: <20020320153346.B8858@real-time.com> Anyone get openldap 2.x and ssl/tls to work? I'd like to force the ssl/tls stuff on the client side. I'm running openldap 2.0.21-1 and openssl-0.9.6b-8. Questions: 1. Do I need to recompile openldap to enable TLS support? I just installed the 2.0.21-1 rpms. 2. Which values do I need to set in ldap.conf on the clients? I have: ssl start_tls ssl on Anything else I need to specify? 3. I added the following to my slapd.conf: TLSCertificateFile /etc/openldap/server.pem TLSCertificateKeyFile /etc/openldap/server.pem TLSCACertificateFile /etc/openldap/server.pem Anything else I need here? I've searched for documentation on this topic but haven't found a lot. The FAQ at openldap.org indicates SSL/TLS support isn't well tested (http://www.openldap.org/faq/index.cgi?_highlightWords=ssl&file=185) Note: everything works using just port 389 (non-ssl). I'm testing by running slapd with just ldaps:/// and just using a simple ldapsearch -H ldaps:/// Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 17:22:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] skipjack is Redhat 7.3 beta In-Reply-To: <20020320225627.GC1893@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 04:56:27PM -0600 References: <20020320162408.R24620@real-time.com> <20020320225627.GC1893@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020320172217.T24620@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Wow! 7.3? That would be a first for RedHat. > > OTOH, the longer they delay the .0 the better. Your right, I don't ever recall a x.3 release. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Wed Mar 20 19:06:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> References: <20020320171334.MLTE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <02032018552900.22706@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Madrake also has a version available for the IA64, Sparc, UltraSparc, Alpha, i486 processors. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftptmp/1016671921.8ec6c32b0b473927428f8267425d4112.php#ia64 Chris www.HomelessIRC.net On Wednesday 20 March 2002 11:13, you wrote: > Greetings, > > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > print server. > > Thanks, > -- > Doug > doughanson@attbi.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 20:09:11 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors Message-ID: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> Dear FTP Mirror Administrators, You are about the last group of people who need a lesson on how much Linux has changed over the past couple of years. The wide acceptance for individuals, small businesses and corporations have changed our product strategy. We'd like to take the launch of Skipjack as an opportunity to give you some information about what we're up to. In the past we've built all the features we can into one extremely versitle version of Red Hat Linux. The differing needs of individuals and corporations have grown significantly. Our response has been to develop two versions of our OS, one for the Enterprise and one for Consumers. The Consumer version of Red Hat Linux will be the version where new features are added. Skipjack contains the latest version of the kernel, KDE, Perl, and Evolution just to name a few. As time goes on, the Consumer version will include more and better configuration tools, easier and faster installation, and new applications and features from the community and Red Hat Development. Red Hat will continue to keep the Consumer version open source with full binary and source RPMs and ISO Images available. In order to keep up with the fast community developments, the Consumer version will be updated approximately every six months. The version of Red Hat Linux for Enterprise deployments will be where reiable features are incorporated to run on high-end servers. We have heard from CIOs that the latest features aren't what they're interested in, they want the features that have been around for several months for evaluation and debugging. The Enterprise version will have features that will not be available in the Consumer version. Including clustering and kernel tuning for now. In true Red Hat style, the Enterprise version will be open source. Binary and source RPMs will be available for you to distribute. In addition to needing proven features, Enteprise customers seek a longer development cycle. Red Hat Linux Enterprise versions will be released on a 12-18 month interval. We're confident that having two different versions of Red Hat Linux for different customers and deployments will allow us to serve both groups. FTP Mirrors are an important part of the equation, we hope that this information sheds some light on why Red Hat is sending you two versions of the OS. Best Regards, Red Hat Product Management Bill Mason, Director Mike Ferris, Red Hat Linux Enterprise Shelley Bainter, Red Hat Linux Consumer -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Wed Mar 20 20:27:10 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Sparc 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032020260102.00790@geezer> On Wednesday 20 March 2002 11:37, Erik Johnson wrote: > A friend once told me that SuSE had very good Sparc support, and that's > what he used. His x86 hardware is all RedHat. I could ask him what > prompted that decision if you're interested. > > If it's just a print server though, it probably doesn't matter much. > > EE > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > We have a Sparc 20 with 2 CPU's here at work and would > > like to load an open source OS on it. Can anyone > > recommend which flavor of Linux would run best on this > > type of hardware? We are only going to use it as a > > print server. > www.linuxiso.org has the SuSE Sparc iso images. For some reason SuSE makes the Sparc isos available but only makes the CD-ROM "Live Evaluation" iso available for ix86. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 20 20:59:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> We'd like to take the launch of Skipjack as an opportunity to give you some information about what we're up to. You have to hand it to Red Hat, they not only care about their business and provide great products and services, bt they also care about their customers and partners. Our response has been to develop two versions of our OS, one for the Enterprise and one for Consumers. A Very Good Thing (tm) The Consumer version of Red Hat Linux will be the version where new features are added. Skipjack contains the latest version of the kernel, KDE, Perl, and Evolution just to name a few. With KDE 3 and Evolution RH should become a great household platform. Now they just need to include Lbreakout 2 as well. In order to keep up with the fast community developments, the Consumer version will be updated approximately every six months. Excellent! Less 300 Mb updates after installing RH 7.2 Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Mar 20 21:46:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> * Samir M. Nassar [020320 21:00]: > You have to hand it to Red Hat, they not only care about their business However, instead of working with their fully able customers to create a 'enterprise' level operating system, they decide to pull it all in house and not allow collabration with users. Wow, I'm really happy we stopped the redhat train after 6.2 and I can collabrate with others on projects for debian, where I actually have some input on what happens and its with mindshare, not money. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 20 22:17:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1016684994.3852.53.camel@yafa> On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 21:46, Scott Dier wrote: > However, instead of working with their fully able customers to create a > 'enterprise' level operating system, they decide to pull it all in house > and not allow collabration with users. I had this nice, long reply written out to this when I remembered that the TCLUGML is not a place to hash out protracted me vs. you diatribes. Linux is a kissing cousin of UNIX and BSD and that is just fine. If you use Debian/RedHat/Conectiva/Gentoo/Lycoris/Slackware/SUSE/Mandrake/etc. then that is fine. If you run Linux/UNIX/BSD on i386/SPARC/PPC/Mac then that is just fine. So Red Hat doesn't work for you... boo hoo. Use something else, in the end it is Open Source and can be modified. Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 20 22:42:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] skipjack is 5 cdrom Message-ID: <20020320224219.I24620@real-time.com> I have gotten several request for burned copies of skipjack. First, it's not officially released, the bits on the directory are still closed. Second, it's 5 cdroms, so you know to send 5 cdr's for $5 for your copy. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 00:52:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm-4.0.4 breaks red-carpet Message-ID: <20020321005032.F8101@real-time.com> Just to let you know rpm-4.0.4 breaks red-carpet, hope this saves some people some headaches. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Mar 21 01:05:03 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0600 References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Samir M. Nassar [020320 21:00]: > > You have to hand it to Red Hat, they not only care about their business > > However, instead of working with their fully able customers to create a > 'enterprise' level operating system, they decide to pull it all in house > and not allow collabration with users. The decision to create a separate 'enterprise' system makes a lot of sense for Red Hat. It gives them (and the linux community) a credible way to address customers' concerns about RH's history of "dot uh-oh" syndrome. The centralized decision making process is not all bad either. Sometimes it's better to move forward with a less-than-perfect product than spend too much time haggling over how to make it perfect. > Wow, I'm really happy we stopped the redhat train after 6.2 and I can > collabrate with others on projects for debian, where I actually have > some input on what happens and its with mindshare, not money. I think Debian is a high quality distro. Yay Debian! Joel From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 01:17:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm-4.0.4 breaks red-carpet In-Reply-To: <20020321005032.F8101@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 12:50:32AM -0600 References: <20020321005032.F8101@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020321011646.H8101@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Just to let you know rpm-4.0.4 breaks red-carpet, hope this saves some people > some headaches. > It breaks lots of other things too. My recommendation is say way from it. :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Mar 21 01:22:03 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020321072143.GF23789@ringworld.org> * Joel Schneider [020321 01:06]: > it's better to move forward with a less-than-perfect product than spend > too much time haggling over how to make it perfect. People do this all the time without making things 'closed'. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Mar 21 01:40:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321072143.GF23789@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 01:21:43AM -0600 References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> <20020321072143.GF23789@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020321014020.B16063@joelschneider.net> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 01:21:43AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Joel Schneider [020321 01:06]: > > it's better to move forward with a less-than-perfect product than spend > > too much time haggling over how to make it perfect. > > People do this all the time without making things 'closed'. Your opinion has been noted. From jack at jacku.com Thu Mar 21 06:35:03 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <02032106350601.00778@geezer> On Thursday 21 March 2002 01:04, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > * Samir M. Nassar [020320 21:00]: > > > You have to hand it to Red Hat, they not only care about their business > > > > However, instead of working with their fully able customers to create a > > 'enterprise' level operating system, they decide to pull it all in house > > and not allow collabration with users. > > The decision to create a separate 'enterprise' system makes a lot of > sense for Red Hat. It gives them (and the linux community) a credible > way to address customers' concerns about RH's history of "dot uh-oh" > syndrome. > > The centralized decision making process is not all bad either. Sometimes > it's better to move forward with a less-than-perfect product than spend > too much time haggling over how to make it perfect. > > > Wow, I'm really happy we stopped the redhat train after 6.2 and I can > > collabrate with others on projects for debian, where I actually have > > some input on what happens and its with mindshare, not money. > > I think Debian is a high quality distro. Yay Debian! > > Joel The interesting thing for me about this is that SuSE (you knew this was coming) did something similar about a year ago. I don't mean the Personal and Professional versions. SuSE established at some point between the release of 7.1 and 7.2 (I think that was the cycle), SuSE Linux Enterprise 7. This was essentially the packages at the 7.0/7.1 level that had been more riggerously tested with things like Oracle, DB2, Notes/Domino, etc. They have used this as the base for their Enterprise "packages", the SuSE Mail Server, the Groupware server, and the Firewall CD-ROM. This is what they recommend to people wishing to run production Oracle servers on Linux. We all know stories of somebody running a web server on a linux box using a 1.0.x kernel and some early version of Apache. Why? Because it works and they don't need anything more. What Red Hat is doing now is just acknowledging this fact, older Linux versions are still better than the alternative. If corporations what a little "stability" in their Linux environment. Fire away. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From joelr at ellegon.com Thu Mar 21 07:21:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Learning behavior In-Reply-To: <20020320141752.A27901@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320200649.99CBC9157@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> <20020320141752.A27901@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200203210720.41296@ellegon.com> Once again, I found that http://www.mandakeuser.org has the real goods -- in this case, the hints I needed to get my new Lexmark E210 laser printer working under Mandrake. All of the other tools failed; kups, pointed to there, enabled me to actually tell the system which port to use, and which driver to use, and now the printer is working quite well. Kups rocks; so does the E210. (Cheap, too -- less than $200, for what appears to be ten pages per minute, with very nice quality.) -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From joelr at ellegon.com Thu Mar 21 08:08:12 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Learning behavior In-Reply-To: <200203210720.41296@ellegon.com> References: <3C98E007.D1EE1324@tc.umn.edu> <20020320141752.A27901@trammell.dyndns.org> <200203210720.41296@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <200203210806.15283@ellegon.com> On Thursday 21 March 2002 07:20 am, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > Once again, I found that http://www.mandakeuser.org has the real goods -- That should, of course, have been http://www.mandrakeuser.org . A good website, and my belief (wrong though it may be) is that many of the hints/how-tos apply to other distros, as well. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From wlayer at attbi.com Thu Mar 21 08:35:15 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020321083052.1d299b32.wlayer@attbi.com> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:07:47 -0600 Bob Tanner wrote: > In true Red Hat style, the Enterprise version will be open source. Seriously? :p -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 21 09:00:36 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <02032106350601.00778@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 06:35:06AM -0600 References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> <02032106350601.00778@geezer> Message-ID: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 06:35:06AM -0600, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > We all know stories of somebody running a web server on a linux box using a > 1.0.x kernel and some early version of Apache. Why? Because it works and they > don't need anything more. What Red Hat is doing now is just acknowledging > this fact, older Linux versions are still better than the alternative. If > corporations what a little "stability" in their Linux environment. True. I'm just wondering how long it's going to be before people start complainging about how the Red Hat Enterprise version's release cycle is too slow and their version of KDE is almost a year old and it's utterly worthless because everything is so obsolete and... Or, maybe - just maybe, in an ideal world - people might see that Red Hat is doing this and quit bitching about Debian's stable distro being old. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From kethry at winternet.com Thu Mar 21 09:09:01 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > True. I'm just wondering how long it's going to be before people > start complainging about how the Red Hat Enterprise version's release > cycle is too slow and their version of KDE is almost a year old and > it's utterly worthless because everything is so obsolete and... For my production environmnet, I'd rather have a slow release cycle as long as it's stable! :) Just my .02 Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 21 09:25:31 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:07:42AM -0600 References: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020321092334.B27176@sherohman.org> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:07:42AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > True. I'm just wondering how long it's going to be before people > > start complainging about how the Red Hat Enterprise version's release > > cycle is too slow and their version of KDE is almost a year old and > > it's utterly worthless because everything is so obsolete and... > > For my production environmnet, I'd rather have a slow release cycle as > long as it's stable! :) Absolutely. It was a reference to a common phenonmenon on the debian-user list: Every few weeks, some yutz shows up and starts making all the complaints mentioned above as soon as they see the age of the stable distro and everyone else gets to explain to him that it's called _stable_ for a reason. Hopefully, Debian won't have to put up with that sort of thing any more. More likely, Red Hat will be sharing in the pain. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 21 09:42:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321010444.A16063@joelschneider.net> <02032106350601.00778@geezer> <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020321154109.GA4496@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 08:59:22AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >Or, maybe - just maybe, in an ideal world - people might see that Red >Hat is doing this and quit bitching about Debian's stable distro >being old. Well, when your distro is so old it doesn't meet your current requirements... This is why I can't use debian stable on some boxes. I do use it on quite a few that do not need new features (like samba 2.2.x, php4) Debian does need to speed up thier release times regardless. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would sure be nice to have the next version of MySQL (with ssl support) in the next stable release of an OS for instance. > >Just my .02 >Liz > >-- >Imagination is intelligence having fun... >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully, Debian won't have to >put up with that sort of thing any more. More likely, Red Hat will >be sharing in the pain. I for one appreciate the stability of "stable" but at some point people have to wonder why in gods name they can't get a timely release. I'd love to be able to use debian stable on production boxes, but it's so god awful old I really can't. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you see where I am going. I mean, isn't that kida the point of linux? Just a thought. -Erik Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:23:34AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >Absolutely. It was a reference to a common phenonmenon on the > >debian-user list: Every few weeks, some yutz shows up and starts > >making all the complaints mentioned above as soon as they see the age > >of the stable distro and everyone else gets to explain to him that > >it's called _stable_ for a reason. Hopefully, Debian won't have to > >put up with that sort of thing any more. More likely, Red Hat will > >be sharing in the pain. > > I for one appreciate the stability of "stable" but at some point people > have to wonder why in gods name they can't get a timely release. I'd love > to be able to use debian stable on production boxes, but it's so god awful > old I really can't. > > -- > Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > Sistina Software Inc. > (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info > etc. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 21 10:22:02 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> References: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> <20020321092334.B27176@sherohman.org> <20020321154338.GC4496@sistina.com> <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <1016728457.5088.12.camel@yafa> > Ok. So many people have been saying "Debian needs a faster release" or > "Redhat needs to release sooner to keep my system up to date". And I am not > picking on you Ben, your email was just the last one I got. My question is, > since this is all Linux, why can you not just upgrade what you want on your > own? You want the latest MySQL? Down load it and install it. Want latest > PHP? Download and install it. Want latest kernel? I think you see where I > am going. I mean, isn't that kida the point of linux? That is the point. It seems like RH is not releasing the ISO images of the enterprise version (Pensacola) for downloading, that is, they are releasing it on CD only and can therefore charge for the distribution (not the software itself, but everything else). I think Bob also mentioned that they might be closing CVS access to the Enterprise level as well. While this makes perfect sense from a business point of view, it seems to strike a sour note with those people who would rather just have the software without going through the trouble of supporting the entity that maintains it. Red Hat is not Debian. This is neither good, nor bad. Some people will always like Debian, some will always like Red Hat, and some people will use both because in the end a linux is a linux is a linux. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 21 10:29:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> References: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> <20020321092334.B27176@sherohman.org> <20020321154338.GC4496@sistina.com> <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20020321162619.GC12245@wookimus.net> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:55:08AM -0600, Erik Hanson wrote: > My question is, since this is all Linux, why can you not just upgrade > what you want on your own? You want the latest MySQL? Down load it > and install it. Want latest PHP? Download and install it. Want > latest kernel? I think you see where I am going. I mean, isn't that > kida the point of linux? It's a little more broad-reaching than just Linux, but yes, that is the point. It's not far from what Bob does at Real-Time with his little SourceForge project to distribute updated RPM's. The interesting thing is that such things happen for Debian 'stable' as well. There have been packages available to allow you to upgrade your old 2.2.x series kernel to the 2.4.x kernel on 'stable', but you need to load the supplementary utility packages as well. The catch is that these packages aren't available on the centralized mirrors for Debian. They are supplemtary packages maintained by someone outside the scope of the Debian project itself. I seriously cannot wait for the day that Debian's 'woody' is actually released as 'stable'. It'll make my life much easier. As a sysadmin, I really /don't/ want to upgrade often. The thing that usually discourages people from downloading software and installing it is that the process can be long and elaborate. Packaged software affords the administrator some savings of time and effort. Still, the tools to create packaged software are freely available, even if the initial cost of using them is the learning curve. Regardless, to say that Debian has a slow release cycle is to speak truely. To say that Red Hat has awful "point oh" (X.0) releases is also to speak truely. To say the Linux kernel itself has bad "point oh" releases is to speak truely. So, perhaps Ben's needs are met more closely by Red Hat than maintaining a handful of Debian packages internally. Perhaps my needs are not so immediate, and I can maintain a 'stable' Debian box easily. People will pick distribution and maintenance models that best suit them and their business. Yay, Free Software! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020321/28176905/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 21 11:03:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> References: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> <20020321092334.B27176@sherohman.org> <20020321154338.GC4496@sistina.com> <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20020321170316.GA1889@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:55:08AM -0600, Erik Hanson wrote: >Ok. So many people have been saying "Debian needs a faster release" or >"Redhat needs to release sooner to keep my system up to date". And I am not >picking on you Ben, your email was just the last one I got. My question is, >since this is all Linux, why can you not just upgrade what you want on your >own? You want the latest MySQL? Down load it and install it. Want latest >PHP? Download and install it. Want latest kernel? I think you see where I >am going. I mean, isn't that kida the point of linux? If i wanted to do that, I'd run linux from scratch. I prefer redhat because it takes alot of the guesswork out of being an admin. upgrading stuff you've installed from source can be cumbersome. I never said I _couldn't_ do it this way, but why would I? This is the reason I elected to use a prepackaged distribution. > >Just a thought. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. 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(mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020321/bfc7dd6a/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Mar 21 11:13:17 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight (3/21) Message-ID: Hi Everybody- Tonights beer meeting (3/21/02) will take place at 6pm at the Green Mill on Grand and Hamline. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Hope to see you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Mar 21 11:16:01 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Tonight (3/21) Message-ID: Hi Everybody- Tonights beer meeting (3/21/02) will take place at 6pm at the Green Mill on Grand and Hamline. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 21 11:19:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321170937.GB1889@sistina.com> References: <20020321085922.A27176@sherohman.org> <20020321092334.B27176@sherohman.org> <20020321154338.GC4496@sistina.com> <3C9A025C.59E0D59@ehanson.net> <1016728457.5088.12.camel@yafa> <20020321170937.GB1889@sistina.com> Message-ID: <1016731950.5088.40.camel@yafa> > What a crock. Mr. Friendly strikes again.... Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 15:16:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MOA Apple Store and those cool sphere chairs Message-ID: <20020321151555.C29724@real-time.com> Anyone been to the Apple Store in MOA and seen those cool shere chairs the kids sit on when playing on the iMacs? Anyone know the name of them? There was no tag on them and none of the employees at the store new the name. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 15:31:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MOA Apple Store and those cool sphere chairs In-Reply-To: <20020321151555.C29724@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 03:15:55PM -0600 References: <20020321151555.C29724@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020321153116.A23695@real-time.com> > Anyone been to the Apple Store in MOA and seen those cool shere chairs the kids > sit on when playing on the iMacs? yeah, they're pretty nifty-looking. pretty comfortable too; if you're kid-sized. :) actually ran across a clueful person when I was there... big guy by the name of Ryan Lundbrek. showed me how to get to the OpenFirmware prompt on new Macs, and talked about how KSTP TV uses NetBSD on the streaming-video servers that send their broadcast video streams. even if you don't like Macs, go take a look at the store sometime; it's an interesting experience. it's good to see the popular games on the shelves, that have been ported to OSX, and know that it's at least sorta-kinda UNIX. ;) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 16:18:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux news server (inn?) as Exchange Public Folder replacement? Message-ID: <20020321161752.A6427@real-time.com> Since I have never used exchange or exchange's public folders I cannot answer this question. Can a linux news server replace the functionality of exchange's public folders? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From amy at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 16:50:02 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems Message-ID: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> I am unable to get gnome-pilot to work with my pilot w/ serial cradle and RH 7.2. I searched the ximian mailing list archives and see most people can't get it to work but apparently some have. When I go to the control-center and click on Pilot Link, it says this is the first time it's been run, and tries to sync. However, after hitting sync button on my palm, Pilot Link just sits there and my palm says it can't sync. Here's what I'm running: control-center-1.4.0.4-1.ximian.1 gnome-pilot-0.1.64-ximian.1 gnome-pilot-conduits-0.8-ximian.1 Note: I was able to get jpilot to work by creating a sym link for libpisock.so.3 and installing with nodeps. I currently have jpilot uninstalled, however, in an effort to get gnome-pilot to work. Anyone else have this working? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Mar 21 16:52:01 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux news server (inn?) as Exchange Public Folder re placement? Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:17:52 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > > Since I have never used exchange or exchange's public folders > I cannot answer this question. > > Can a linux news server replace the functionality of > exchange's public folders? Oooh, it's been a while. But I don't think you can. As I recall, public folders don't necessarily have to be in "news" format. They could be calendars for meeting rooms, notes, .... pretty much whatever. On the flip side, it's pretty easy to set up a public folder as a mirror for a newsgroup. But, let's not go there. Lee From tompoe at renonevada.net Thu Mar 21 17:05:01 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi From Reno, NV - Looking for ISP in your area that is recommended Message-ID: <02032115053602.00498@aether> Hi: I'm in Reno, NV. Weather's beautiful, but, if it's any consolation, storm headed this way. My daughter is in the Rogers area. Anyone have a recommendation for the best ISP "bang for the buck" you can send me? Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://renotahoe.pm.org/ From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Mar 21 17:24:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux news server (inn?) as Exchange Public Folder replacement? In-Reply-To: <20020321161752.A6427@real-time.com> References: <20020321161752.A6427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016753319.7219.20.camel@Dart-83_linux> On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:17, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since I have never used exchange or exchange's public folders I cannot answer > this question. > > Can a linux news server replace the functionality of exchange's public folders? > What does Bynari use (www.bynari.net)? I have been playing with 2.6 a little, and they have something called public folders, but I don't remember what they are using. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Mar 21 18:20:01 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> Hello all, I'm brand new to this list so hello to everyone. I've got a question that I hope some of you can give me a hand with. I'm setting up a Caldera Open Linux server to act as a router/proxy server thing between my lan and the internet. I'm connected to the internet with a DSL modem. Currently I have everything functioning with 10.0.0.x addresses on the LAN machines (and LAN side of the linux box) and a static address on the internet side of the linux machine. I'm using ipchains with masquerading and everything seems to function just fine. Anyway, now for the problem. A few of the machines on my LAN are servers (one web server and a few ftp servers), I have static ip addresses for them and would like to be able to connect to them from the rest of the internet. So what do I do? Do I create aliases on eth0? Doing that I know I could masquerade with ipchains again to make each 10.0.0.x addy look like that interface's addy for outgoing requests but what about incoming traffic? Is this a situation for tunneling? Is there some fancy manipulation I can do in my routing tables? Am I completely missing the boat on some simple solution? I'm stumped right now so any assistance you folks can provide is greatly appreciated, even if it's just to point me to a guide or book that explains how to accomplish this, I'm up for anything! Thanks a ton, Ben. PS I know port mapping would work work but I really want separate ips not just port forwarding. From marc at ds6.net Thu Mar 21 18:54:14 2002 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 06:18:11PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall+DSL.html -- Marc A. Ohmannn marc@ds6.net Digital Solutions, Inc. - Network Administration - Internet Hosting - Application Programming From mike at Jentges.NET Thu Mar 21 20:04:01 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi From Reno, NV - Looking for ISP in your area that is recommended In-Reply-To: <02032115053602.00498@aether> Message-ID: Visi.Com is a pretty 'on top of it' outfit, I think, and they are local, not a nationwide huge operation. At least they weren't. I heard they were bought out a while back, but they still have a human answering the phone, highly responsive, etc. http://www.visi.com 02. Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, tom poe wrote: > Hi: I'm in Reno, NV. Weather's beautiful, but, if it's any consolation, > storm headed this way. > > My daughter is in the Rogers area. Anyone have a recommendation for the best > ISP "bang for the buck" you can send me? > Thanks, > Tom Poe > Reno, NV > http://renotahoe.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 21 20:47:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 06:18:11PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020321204714.Y6365@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): > would like to be able to connect to them from the rest of the internet. > So what do I do? Do I create aliases on eth0? Doing that I know I > could masquerade with ipchains again to make each 10.0.0.x addy look > like that interface's addy for outgoing requests but what about incoming > traffic? Is this a situation for tunneling? Is there some fancy > manipulation I can do in my routing tables? Am I completely missing the > boat on some simple solution? I'm stumped right now so any assistance > you folks can provide is greatly appreciated, even if it's just to point > me to a guide or book that explains how to accomplish this, I'm up for > anything! You want to port-forward your stuff. Hit google and look for port forwarding. There's a howto on this, and I think there is a presentation on it on www.mn-linux.org. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tompoe at renonevada.net Thu Mar 21 20:55:51 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi From Reno, NV - Looking for ISP in your area that is recommended In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032118543301.01657@aether> Hi: Thanks. Looks good. Tom On Thursday 21 March 2002 18:03, you wrote: > Visi.Com is a pretty 'on top of it' outfit, I think, and they are local, > not a nationwide huge operation. At least they weren't. I heard they were > bought out a while back, but they still have a human answering the phone, > highly responsive, etc. http://www.visi.com > > 02. > > Mike Jentges > -- > Jentges.Net, Inc. > Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** > Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** > http://jentges.net ************************************************** > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, tom poe wrote: > > Hi: I'm in Reno, NV. Weather's beautiful, but, if it's any consolation, > > storm headed this way. > > > > My daughter is in the Rogers area. Anyone have a recommendation for the > > best ISP "bang for the buck" you can send me? > > Thanks, > > Tom Poe > > Reno, NV > > http://renotahoe.pm.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Mar 21 21:00:02 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux news server (inn?) as Exchange Public Folder replacement? In-Reply-To: <20020321161752.A6427@real-time.com> References: <20020321161752.A6427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02032120594500.00788@geezer> On Thursday 21 March 2002 16:17, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since I have never used exchange or exchange's public folders I cannot > answer this question. > > Can a linux news server replace the functionality of exchange's public > folders? Aren't they some sort of IMAP entity? I thought I remember reading that you could create shared mailboxes with IMAP. If so I'd suspect that's more like what you've got with Exchange. That said, (reaches to the bookshelf) Jon Udell in the book "Practical Internet Groupware" talks about some creative uses for news(NNTP) servers. One of the things he talks about is making sure the news readers are HTML compatible (example: Netscape) then you can do some pretty interesting collaborative stuff with news servers. Since news messages can carry just about anything using encoding then you could use them as a storage/transmission mechanism for that material. Limitation are more likely client side with what can be read. Using you can build your own clients, or even build a web application that serves the information straight to a browser. So I guess my answer would be, yes. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Mar 21 22:06:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources Message-ID: Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second edition) and have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the sendmail book and have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for my domain yet. Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you think a new sendmail admin should know. -David From dave at droyer.org Thu Mar 21 22:18:00 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems In-Reply-To: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016770580.1651.176.camel@merlin> I have had a few problems getting it to work but I found the best way to start is by running gpilotd from the command line. You might get better error messages. You might have to kill the running daemon before you start gpilotd to get it to work. Also, I found that I had to start the sync on the palm before starting gpilotd. I have found that there's a lot of work that needs to be done, but it's pretty usable. (For what it's worth, I still can't get the evolution address conduit to work.) Dave On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 11:27, Amy Tanner wrote: > I am unable to get gnome-pilot to work with my pilot w/ serial cradle > and RH 7.2. I searched the ximian mailing list archives and see most > people can't get it to work but apparently some have. > > When I go to the control-center and click on Pilot Link, it says this > is the first time it's been run, and tries to sync. However, after > hitting sync button on my palm, Pilot Link just sits there and my > palm says it can't sync. Here's what I'm running: > > control-center-1.4.0.4-1.ximian.1 > gnome-pilot-0.1.64-ximian.1 > gnome-pilot-conduits-0.8-ximian.1 > > Note: I was able to get jpilot to work by creating a sym link for > libpisock.so.3 and installing with nodeps. I currently have jpilot > uninstalled, however, in an effort to get gnome-pilot to work. > > Anyone else have this working? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Mar 21 22:42:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hi From Reno, NV - Looking for ISP in your area that is recommended In-Reply-To: <02032115053602.00498@aether> References: <02032115053602.00498@aether> Message-ID: <20020322044219.GC16552@ringworld.org> * tom poe [020321 17:06]: > My daughter is in the Rogers area. Anyone have a recommendation for the best > ISP "bang for the buck" you can send me? If you want anything but dialup, I think you might be stuck with earthlink dsl. charter cable might have something by now. I think thats what is the cable company out there. Otherwise, dialup is decent with visi, sihope, and some others out there, easy. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tompoe at renonevada.net Thu Mar 21 23:14:00 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hi From Reno, NV - Looking for ISP in your area that is recommended In-Reply-To: <20020322044219.GC16552@ringworld.org> References: <02032115053602.00498@aether> <20020322044219.GC16552@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <02032121140200.02361@aether> > Otherwise, dialup is decent with visi, sihope, and some others out > there, easy. Hi, Scott: Thanks. Dialup is the situation. So, appreciate the suggestions. Tom From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Mar 21 23:43:01 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall+DSL.html I read through this document and it appears that this system would require me to have valid ip addresses for the internet on each of the machines on my LAN. That's not the case, they have 10.0.0.x addresses with the exception of the few machines I want to fun server functionality on. What I'd like to do is give everyone on my LAN a 10.0.0.x address so that I can properly broadcast to them but then on the router/proxy machine redirect anything inbound for a specific internet ip (say 64.122.70.118) to one of my 10.0.0.x internal addresses (say 10.0.0.32). All of the standard desktop machines would just use normal masquerading to comunicate with the internet. Is what I'm trying to do not possible? It seems like something that other people would have faced before. Anyway, thanks for the input so far, your continued assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ben. From marc at ds6.net Fri Mar 22 00:03:02 2002 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:40:50PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020322000056.A22115@flanders.digsol.net> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:40:50PM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall+DSL.html > > > I read through this document and it appears that this system would > require me to have valid ip addresses for the internet on each of the > machines on my LAN. That's not the case, they have 10.0.0.x addresses > with the exception of the few machines I want to fun server > functionality on. What I'd like to do is give everyone on my LAN a > 10.0.0.x address so that I can properly broadcast to them but then on > the router/proxy machine redirect anything inbound for a specific > internet ip (say 64.122.70.118) to one of my 10.0.0.x internal addresses > (say 10.0.0.32). All of the standard desktop machines would just use > normal masquerading to comunicate with the internet. Is what I'm trying > to do not possible? It seems like something that other people would > have faced before. Anyway, thanks for the input so far, your continued > assistance is greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Ben. I've never done it but I would think you could assign 10.0.0.x and 64.122.70.x to eth0 and eth0:1 on each of the internal servers. Then just add the appropriate entry to route on the router. Maybe I just need some sleep but it seems that easy. -- Marc A. Ohmannn marc@ds6.net Digital Solutions, Inc. - Network Administration - Internet Hosting - Application Programming From marc at ds6.net Fri Mar 22 00:08:01 2002 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:40:50PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020322000753.B22115@flanders.digsol.net> I should've mentioned it before but if you're actually thinking of doing this and leaving the servers accessible, I would _seriously_ consider setting them up in a dmz. -- Marc A. Ohmannn marc@ds6.net Digital Solutions, Inc. - Network Administration - Internet Hosting - Application Programming From skodak at cs.umn.edu Fri Mar 22 00:51:02 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling Linux kernel gives error In-Reply-To: <20020320122441.Q14023@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the help. The Disk-On-Chip manufacturer has actually put the steps of installing linux in a DOC in their site. www.m-sys.com In that I am supposed to compile the kernal. When I try run the command make dep I get an error. I am attaching the output of make dep along with this mail. I am new to compiling linux kernel. Can you help me out? My linux kernel version is 2.4.2 ( Red Hat 7.1). Thanks Sreekumar On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Sreekumar Kodakara (skodak@cs.umn.edu): > > Hi > > I am building an embedded system. I want to Install linux on to a Disk-on > > -Chip. I would be grateful to you if you could help me out/Send me some > > links explaining how to install linux on Disk-on-Chip. > > Thanks > > Try searching google for "peewee linux" I believe the url is www.pwl.org, but I > can't remember right now. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- Script started on Sat Mar 23 00:38:52 2002 [root@LUNE linux]# make dep make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/arch/i386/boot' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `dep'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/arch/i386/boot' scripts/mkdep -- init/*.c > .depend scripts/mkdep -- `find /usr/src/linux/include/asm /usr/src/linux/include/linux /usr/src/linux/include/scsi /usr/src/linux/include/net -name SCCS -prune -o -follow -name \*.h ! -name modversions.h -print` > .hdepend make _sfdep_kernel _sfdep_drivers _sfdep_mm _sfdep_fs _sfdep_net _sfdep_ipc _sfdep_lib _sfdep_arch/i386/kernel _sfdep_arch/i386/mm _sfdep_arch/i386/lib _FASTDEP_ALL_SUB_DIRS="kernel drivers mm fs net ipc lib arch/i386/kernel arch/i386/mm arch/i386/lib" make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2' make -C kernel fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/kernel' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -- acct.c capability.c context.c dma.c exec_domain.c exit.c fork.c info.c itimer.c kmod.c ksyms.c module.c panic.c pm.c printk.c ptrace.c resource.c sched.c signal.c softirq.c sys.c sysctl.c time.c timer.c uid16.c user.c > .depend make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/kernel' make -C drivers fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -- > .depend make _sfdep_acpi _sfdep_atm _sfdep_block _sfdep_cdrom _sfdep_char _sfdep_dio _sfdep_fc4 _sfdep_gsc _sfdep_i2c _sfdep_ide _sfdep_ieee1394 _sfdep_input _sfdep_isdn _sfdep_macintosh _sfdep_md _sfdep_media _sfdep_message/fusion _sfdep_message/i2o _sfdep_misc _sfdep_mtd _sfdep_net _sfdep_net/hamradio _sfdep_nubus _sfdep_parport _sfdep_pci _sfdep_pcmcia _sfdep_pnp _sfdep_sbus _sfdep_scsi _sfdep_sensors _sfdep_sgi _sfdep_sound _sfdep_tc _sfdep_telephony _sfdep_usb _sfdep_video _sfdep_zorro _FASTDEP_ALL_SUB_DIRS="acpi atm block cdrom char dio fc4 gsc i2c ide ieee1394 input isdn macintosh md media message/fusion message/i2o misc mtd net net/hamradio nubus parport pci pcmcia pnp sbus scsi sensors sgi sound tc telephony usb video zorro" make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers' make -C acpi fastdep make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I./include -D_LINUX -- acpi_ksyms.c cmbatt.c cpu.c driver.c driver.h ec.c ec.h os.c power.c sys.c table.c > .depend make _sfdep_common _sfdep_dispatcher _sfdep_events _sfdep_hardware _sfdep_interpreter _sfdep_namespace _sfdep_parser _sfdep_resources _sfdep_tables _FASTDEP_ALL_SUB_DIRS="common dispatcher events hardware interpreter namespace parser resources tables" make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi' make -C common fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/common' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- cmalloc.c cmclib.c cmcopy.c cmdebug.c cmdelete.c cmeval.c cmglobal.c cminit.c cmobject.c cmutils.c cmxface.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/common' make -C dispatcher fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/dispatcher' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- dsfield.c dsmethod.c dsmthdat.c dsobject.c dsopcode.c dsutils.c dswexec.c dswload.c dswscope.c dswstate.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/dispatcher' make -C events fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/events' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- evevent.c evmisc.c evregion.c evrgnini.c evsci.c evxface.c evxfevnt.c evxfregn.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/events' make -C hardware fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/hardware' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- hwacpi.c hwgpe.c hwregs.c hwsleep.c hwtimer.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/hardware' make -C interpreter fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/interpreter' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- amconfig.c amconvrt.c amcreate.c amdyadic.c amfield.c amfldio.c ammisc.c ammonad.c amnames.c amprep.c amregion.c amresnte.c amresolv.c amresop.c amstore.c amstoren.c amstorob.c amsystem.c amutils.c amxface.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/interpreter' make -C namespace fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/namespace' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- nsaccess.c nsalloc.c nseval.c nsinit.c nsload.c nsnames.c nsobject.c nssearch.c nsutils.c nswalk.c nsxfname.c nsxfobj.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/namespace' make -C parser fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/parser' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- psargs.c psopcode.c psparse.c psscope.c pstree.c psutils.c pswalk.c psxface.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/parser' make -C resources fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/resources' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- rsaddr.c rscalc.c rscreate.c rsdump.c rsio.c rsirq.c rslist.c rsmemory.c rsmisc.c rsutils.c rsxface.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/resources' make -C tables fastdep make[6]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/tables' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -I../include -D_LINUX -- tbconvrt.c tbget.c tbinstal.c tbutils.c tbxface.c tbxfroot.c > .depend make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi/tables' make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi' make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/acpi' make -C atm fastdep make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/atm' /usr/src/linux/scripts/mkdep -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Wno-unused -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -g -- ambassador.c ambassador.h atmdev_init.c atmtcp.c eni.c eni.h firestream.c firestream.h fore200e.c fore200e.h fore200e_mkfirm.c horizon.c horizon.h idt77105.c idt77105.h iphase.c iphase.h midway.h nicstar.c nicstar.h nicstarmac.c nicstarmac.h suni.c suni.h tonga.h uPD98401.h uPD98402.c uPD98402.h zatm.c zatm.h zeprom.h > .depend make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/atm' make -C block fastdep make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/block' Makefile:48: *** extraneous `endif'. Stop. make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers/block' make[3]: *** [_sfdep_block] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers' make[2]: *** [fastdep] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2/drivers' make[1]: *** [_sfdep_drivers] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.2' make: *** [dep-files] Error 2 [root@LUNE linux]# exit Script done on Sat Mar 23 00:39:11 2002 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 01:07:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:05:01PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020322010654.J25348@real-time.com> Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a > couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second edition) and > have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the sendmail book and > have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for my domain > yet. > > Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the > sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you > think a new sendmail admin should know. www.sendmail.org www.sendmail.net www.sendmail.com www.sendmail.net is pretty nice, they talk about howto like stuff. Don't read the sendmail book, it more of a reference guide. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 22 01:53:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems In-Reply-To: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > When I go to the control-center and click on Pilot Link, it says this > is the first time it's been run, and tries to sync. However, after > hitting sync button on my palm, Pilot Link just sits there and my > palm says it can't sync. Here's what I'm running: is pilot-link installed? should be for any palm stuff to work, its the GPL stuff that Palm Inc. released for linux if not install it and then run pilot-xfer -l and press the hotsync button on the cradle this should list all installed packages on you palm another thing i had problems with is that the default action associated with the hotsync button on the cradle was changed to sync over IR, it took me a whole day of cursing to finally notice that ;-) > Note: I was able to get jpilot to work by creating a sym link for > libpisock.so.3 and installing with nodeps. I currently have jpilot > uninstalled, however, in an effort to get gnome-pilot to work. having to create the symlink shows that something is not going right, what error do you get without using the --nodeps? -munir From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Mar 22 04:07:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200203220400.26795@ellegon.com> On Thursday 21 March 2002 11:40 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall+DSL.html > > I read through this document and it appears that this system would > require me to have valid ip addresses for the internet on each of the > machines on my LAN. That's not the case, they have 10.0.0.x addresses > with the exception of the few machines I want to fun server > functionality on. What I'd like to do is give everyone on my LAN a > 10.0.0.x address so that I can properly broadcast to them but then on > the router/proxy machine redirect anything inbound for a specific > internet ip (say 64.122.70.118) to one of my 10.0.0.x internal addresses > (say 10.0.0.32). All of the standard desktop machines would just use > normal masquerading to comunicate with the internet. Is what I'm trying > to do not possible? Absolutely. I've done it for my home network, using ipchains, and the 192.168.0.n Class C addresses. First step is to set up the IP address for the machine that's going to function as a router; then add a virtual IP of, say, 10.0.0.1 (webmin's my tool of choice); then follow the step-by-step directions at http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/cipc.html, and add your choice of (ipchains, in my case) rules to pass along what you want to where you want (one simple way is with pmfirewall, which is what I use) and block everything else. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 22 04:29:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:05:01PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020322042927.B25069@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:05:01PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a > couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second edition) and > have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the sendmail book and > have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for my domain > yet. > > Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the > sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you > think a new sendmail admin should know. > If you run Red Hat (gasp!) there's a very easy sendmail setup via linuxconf, I believe it's called something else in 7.2, but it's all there somewhere, the last time I glanced at it there were simply little places to put the domains you want to recieve mail for, and the options you wanted for those domains. Excellent for the new user until he/she can figure out the wonderful stuff in /etc/mail/. > -David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Mar 22 04:57:01 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: <20020322010654.J25348@real-time.com> References: <20020322010654.J25348@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02032204485000.19026@nancy> Not to be a total smart arse, but after you get tired of parsing and cursing at the sendmail configuration, give Exim a look. For many situations, Exim can be a nice drop in replacement for sendmail and has a config file that is very easy to read / configure. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Friday 22 March 2002 01:06, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > > Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a > > couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second edition) > > and have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the sendmail > > book and have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for > > my domain yet. > > > > Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the > > sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you > > think a new sendmail admin should know. > > www.sendmail.org > www.sendmail.net > www.sendmail.com > > www.sendmail.net is pretty nice, they talk about howto like stuff. > > Don't read the sendmail book, it more of a reference guide. From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Mar 22 07:33:36 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip-aliasing? masquerading? In-Reply-To: <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:40:50PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <3C9A7843.7FA970C3@ppdonline.com> <20020321185251.A21625@flanders.digsol.net> <3C9AC3E2.8389C132@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020322073111.A10727@knicknack.net> You may also want to check out Rusty's Remarkable Unreliable Guides (http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/). If found them to be of great help when I was learning this stuff. Eric On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:40:50PM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall+DSL.html > > > I read through this document and it appears that this system would > require me to have valid ip addresses for the internet on each of the > machines on my LAN. That's not the case, they have 10.0.0.x addresses > with the exception of the few machines I want to fun server > functionality on. What I'd like to do is give everyone on my LAN a > 10.0.0.x address so that I can properly broadcast to them but then on > the router/proxy machine redirect anything inbound for a specific > internet ip (say 64.122.70.118) to one of my 10.0.0.x internal addresses > (say 10.0.0.32). All of the standard desktop machines would just use > normal masquerading to comunicate with the internet. Is what I'm trying > to do not possible? It seems like something that other people would > have faced before. Anyway, thanks for the input so far, your continued > assistance is greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Ben. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Eric From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 22 08:19:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0600 References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020321070620.D16574@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > However, instead of working with their fully able customers to create a > 'enterprise' level operating system, they decide to pull it all in house > and not allow collabration with users. > > Wow, I'm really happy we stopped the redhat train after 6.2 and I can > collabrate with others on projects for debian, where I actually have > some input on what happens and its with mindshare, not money. I've never had problems emailing the maintainers of the packages with (real) issues and getting them resolved. Perhaps if you were to mail them in a more tactful manner, with less of a debian-zealotish tone, they would be more inclined to listen to you rather than file you away with all the other annoying email they get. RedHat is a company, Debian is not. RedHat is making money, Debian is not meant to. One of the reasons RedHat is 'closed' about their packages (as far as not having non-RedHat people manage them) is because you end up with things like eggdrop packages that are 3 years old because someone just stopped maintaining the package. > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From Ben at Workscited.Net Fri Mar 22 08:43:00 2002 From: Ben at Workscited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor Message-ID: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Let's imagine for a moment that you're configuring a Linux box for a computer amateur, like your grandmother. If your grandmother is a technogoddess, imagine someone else's grandmother. She wants a graphical Web browser and e-mail client and nothing else, so you lock the system down very tight ... she can't get into any programs that she doesn't understand. Now let's say she calls you up and says something is wrong with the computer. You gather that it turns on and the screen lights up, but beyond that she's really not very descriptive about what exactly is happening. She's miles away from you, so you really don't want to go to her place or have her bring the computer to you. You kick yourself for not installing some sort of back door so you can dial into her machine and check it out as root. Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort of back door. What software do you use? How do you secure it so that other people don't hack her computer? How do you make it easy enough for her to start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it unnecessarily? --Ben From DACross at nwc.edu Fri Mar 22 08:52:01 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Log analysis Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for log analysis? We're planning to have one Linux machine collect syslog data for a number of servers but we need something to weed through the VERY large log files that will be generated. I thought I remembered some discussion about this a while ago so I searched through the list archives, but didn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. David Cross ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani From hutchib at nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com Fri Mar 22 09:14:00 2002 From: hutchib at nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200203221513.JAA24221@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> I really like "Linux Sendmail Administration" by Craig Hunt. Even though "Linux" is in the title, it contains information that is valuable for administering sendmail on all platforms. I personally found it much easier to read than the fearsome "Bat book" :D Regards, Brandon do quite a bit with open source and commercial sendmail (Sendmail Switch) and I've found that I On Thursday 21 March 2002 10:05 pm, David Blevins wrote: > Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a > couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second edition) and > have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the sendmail book and > have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for my domain > yet. > > Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the > sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you > think a new sendmail admin should know. > > -David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 22 09:17:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com>; from Ben@workscited.net on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:45:18AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322091718.B3106@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:45:18AM -0600, Ben Stallings wrote: > Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort of > back door. What software do you use? Personally, I'd set myself up an account on her machine and install sshd to let me connect to it. I don't really consider that a "back door", though. > How do you secure it so that other > people don't hack her computer? Keep the sshd up-to-date in the event of exploits, tell sshd to disallow root logins, and only allow login via rsa/dsa key exchange. Distribute my public ssh key to grandma's machine. > How do you make it easy enough for her to > start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it > unnecessarily? Just let sshd run at all times. She doesn't need to start it and, if you find out about a new exploit for any of the software on her machine (not just sshd), you can hook up and update the program without having to worry (or bother) her. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Mar 22 09:17:29 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com>; from Ben@workscited.net on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:45:18AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:45:18AM -0600, Ben Stallings wrote: > Let's imagine for a moment that you're configuring a Linux box for a computer > amateur, like your grandmother. If your grandmother is a technogoddess, > imagine someone else's grandmother. She wants a graphical Web browser and > e-mail client and nothing else, so you lock the system down very tight ... > she can't get into any programs that she doesn't understand. > > Now let's say she calls you up and says something is wrong with the computer. > You gather that it turns on and the screen lights up, but beyond that she's > really not very descriptive about what exactly is happening. She's miles > away from you, so you really don't want to go to her place or have her bring > the computer to you. You kick yourself for not installing some sort of back > door so you can dial into her machine and check it out as root. > > Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort of > back door. What software do you use? How do you secure it so that other > people don't hack her computer? How do you make it easy enough for her to > start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it > unnecessarily? --Ben My $.02: - have /bin, /etc, /sbin, and /usr on read-only media (CD-R?) - have /home, /root, and /var on disk (maybe as little as 2 Gb?) - run sshd listening on a high port, accepting connections from a limited IP range (admin machine) - assuming dynamic IP on granny's machine, have it email you the new IP with each connect (encrypt this?). Maybe have *two* boot CD's -- one for "normal" use (no sshd), one for "debugging", with sshd enabled? -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 22 09:20:02 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322151959.09C36914E@thursday.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Friday 22 March 2002 08:45 am, Ben Stallings wrote: > Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort > of back door. What software do you use? How do you secure it so that > other people don't hack her computer? How do you make it easy enough for > her to start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it > unnecessarily? --Ben I would make sure that SSH is on it. SSH is secure so that people cant hack it- turn off root logins if you are really parinoid. Perhaps throw VNC up so you can check the GUI if you need to as well. Pretty much anything can be tunneled through SSH to make it secure. If she has a dynamic IP and you dont know what it is all the time, I suggest a cron job that makes a web request to a web server you run- if the URL is something unique, and it requested freqeuently enough, you should be able to spot it. (You can use dyndns if you want, but I think the web request idea is more secure if that is what you are looking for, I could be wrong) Jay From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 22 09:28:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org>; from trammell@trammell.dyndns.org on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:15:40AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:15:40AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > - have /bin, /etc, /sbin, and /usr on read-only media (CD-R?) > - have /home, /root, and /var on disk (maybe as little as 2 Gb?) In the event of problems, you could have a bit of trouble getting the machine back up to fix it if /bin, /etc, /sbin, /lib, and /root aren't all on the root partition. Also, if /bin, /sbin, /lib, and/or /usr are on read-only media, you can't update software as security patches are released. Granted, an intruder won't be able to plant trojaned binaries, but they'll still be able to trash /home and /var. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 22 09:32:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Log analysis In-Reply-To: ; from DACross@nwc.edu on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:47:07AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020322093113.D3106@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:47:07AM -0600, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for log analysis? We're planning to > have one Linux machine collect syslog data for a number of servers but we > need something to weed through the VERY large log files that will be > generated. Although I'm not sure what level of "analysis" you want, I use logcheck in a similar setup. It sifts through ~1M/day of logs for me and emails reports of anything that looks odd. ("Odd" being defined by a bunch of regexes that enumerate "normal" activity.) Not real sopihsticated, but a good starting point in any case. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Mar 22 09:41:01 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:27:34AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020322094028.A12715@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:27:34AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:15:40AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > - have /bin, /etc, /sbin, and /usr on read-only media (CD-R?) > > - have /home, /root, and /var on disk (maybe as little as 2 Gb?) > > In the event of problems, you could have a bit of trouble getting the > machine back up to fix it if /bin, /etc, /sbin, /lib, and /root > aren't all on the root partition. > > Also, if /bin, /sbin, /lib, and/or /usr are on read-only media, you > can't update software as security patches are released. Granted, an > intruder won't be able to plant trojaned binaries, but they'll still > be able to trash /home and /var. > Those are very good points. I guess my only rebuttal is that CD-R's are cheap :-) I also like the idea of doing a http request instead of email to "send" the dynamic IP. What could be done for backups? Hard to do over a 56K link. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 22 10:02:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322094028.A12715@trammell.dyndns.org>; from trammell@trammell.dyndns.org on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:40:28AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> <20020322094028.A12715@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020322100150.F3106@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:40:28AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > What could be done for backups? Hard to do over a 56K link. Well, CDRs are cheap... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Mar 22 10:12:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020321070620.D16574@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321070620.D16574@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020322161129.GE16552@ringworld.org> * Matthew S. Hallacy [020322 08:20]: > I've never had problems emailing the maintainers of the packages with > (real) issues and getting them resolved. Perhaps if you were to mail Except when they hold back half the code for their 'services' part of it and want to charge the cost of another admin even if I'm willing to mirror the files myself. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Mar 22 10:14:01 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322100150.F3106@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:01:50AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> <20020322094028.A12715@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322100150.F3106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020322101346.A13055@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:01:50AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:40:28AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > What could be done for backups? Hard to do over a 56K link. > > Well, CDRs are cheap... > You going to make Grandma do her own backups? :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From david.blevins at visi.com Fri Mar 22 11:00:02 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, what do you know, I can now accept mail!! Still can't send it though, keep getting "we do not relay" from sendmail. I can accept email from the domain, but can't send it from that domain, very strange. But, I'm half-way there. David > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:05:01PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > Been trying since this morning to get sendmail setup to host mail for a > couple domains I have. I have O'Rielly's Sendmail book (second > edition) and > have been scrapping the web. I'm a few chapters into the > sendmail book and > have learned a lot, but not enough to get it to accept mail for my domain > yet. > > Does anyone know of any other web resources, or have any advice for the > sendmail newbie? Not looking for trouble-shooting, just any pointers you > think a new sendmail admin should know. > > -David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 22 11:28:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, David Blevins wrote: > Well, what do you know, I can now accept mail!! > > Still can't send it though, keep getting "we do not relay" from sendmail. I > can accept email from the domain, but can't send it from that domain, very > strange. But, I'm half-way there. in /etc/mail/access you should be able to specify which hosts/IP can use this mail server as a relay, be careful with this as you do not want spammers using you mailserver -munir From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Mar 22 11:43:01 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE test Message-ID: <20020322114313.B10727@knicknack.net> Anyone on the list taken the RHCE test? How difficult was it for you? I'm especially interested in your opinion if you did NOT take any of the classes before you took the test. I work with RedHat everyday and have read the doco on the web and am wondering how I could fare if I took the test. Thanks. -- Eric From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 11:46:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [WAS] OT: Letter from Redhat to Official Redhat Mirrors, [NOW] Who should we be fighting? In-Reply-To: <20020322161129.GE16552@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:11:29AM -0600 References: <20020320200747.G24620@real-time.com> <1016680329.3851.33.camel@yafa> <20020321034627.GC23789@ringworld.org> <20020321070620.D16574@techmonkeys.org> <20020322161129.GE16552@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020322114550.N6365@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Matthew S. Hallacy [020322 08:20]: This thread is getting a little too religious. I see the potential for jihad and flamewar. Let's respect each other choice of distribution. It is possible to respect a distro but not like how the maintainer(s) manage it. Everone has to remember all distros are linux somewhere, and one of the strengths of linux is that is bundled into many distros. Different strokes for different folks. Said another way.... More distros they are the hard it will be for Microsoft to spread FUD. Just think about it. If MS says something bad about 1 distro, it's more then likely at least 1 -other- distro counters the weakness. Thus, the reason MS has targeted the GPL. I'd rather see energy put to fight MS then each other. Once we have 95% of the computers running linux, then we can start to in-fight. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 11:53:52 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com>; from Ben@Workscited.Net on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:45:18AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322115258.O6365@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Stallings (Ben@Workscited.Net): > Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort of > back door. What software do you use? How do you secure it so that other > people don't hack her computer? How do you make it easy enough for her to > start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it > unnecessarily? --Ben The read-only FS stuff is a good idea, but can make install updates/patches and pain for -you- when it comes time. Installing tripwire is a better idea, IMHO. Install sshd, disable root logins, enable X forwarding. Setup iptables, lock down everything except ssh access from your box (assuming you have a static IP). Log everything to, I normal do: *.debug /var/log/syslog Probably want to add an entry to logrotate for it as well. If you are -really- anal. Install SNARE and log all API calls. If you got static IPs on each side, setup IPSEC. Run neuss against the each box and make sure there is no warnings. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 11:55:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Log analysis In-Reply-To: ; from DACross@nwc.edu on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 08:47:07AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020322115444.P6365@real-time.com> Quoting DACross@nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu): > > Does anyone have any recommendations for log analysis? We're planning to > have one Linux machine collect syslog data for a number of servers but we > need something to weed through the VERY large log files that will be > generated. > > I thought I remembered some discussion about this a while ago so I searched > through the list archives, but didn't find anything. Any help would be > appreciated. Make sure logcheck is installed, by default it runs through the logs once a day and emails you a report. It's very chatty. At Real Time we have had to turn down the chattiness. Also, run swatch on your log files for real time notification/alters to issues. Just ssh to the loghost and keep swatch running all the time. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 11:57:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE test In-Reply-To: <20020322114313.B10727@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:43:13AM -0600 References: <20020322114313.B10727@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20020322115728.Q6365@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > Anyone on the list taken the RHCE test? How difficult was it for you? > I'm especially interested in your opinion if you did NOT take any of > the classes before you took the test. I work with RedHat everyday and > have read the doco on the web and am wondering how I could fare if I > took the test. IMHO, the RHCE is not worth it (yet). Why? The market demmand for linux consulting is not large enough to make a certification worth anything. Not that an MSCE is worth anything. In the 6 years I've done linux consulting, not once as any client asked for any credentials or certifications. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From shanson at cruiskeen.com Fri Mar 22 12:29:08 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE test References: <20020322114313.B10727@knicknack.net> <20020322115728.Q6365@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C9B76AA.4060703@cruiskeen.com> Yes, I took the RHCE exam about 18 months ago. I also took the class, mostly because it got paid for. I don't think things have changed a lot other than being based on more recent RedHat releases. You might want to just browse through one of the preparation books so you have some idea of the kind of questions on the written exam (which should be really easy for you, actually). The practical part where they break systems and you have to make them work was REALLY easy for me, but very difficult for most of the people who had never seen a Linux or UNIX box before the class. If you're accustomed to setting up web servers and virtual domains and some IPCHAINS rules you should find the last part of the exam pretty easy. If you've done a lot of administrative work on Redhat Linux I expect you'll do fine. Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > >>Anyone on the list taken the RHCE test? How difficult was it for you? >>I'm especially interested in your opinion if you did NOT take any of >>the classes before you took the test. I work with RedHat everyday and >>have read the doco on the web and am wondering how I could fare if I >>took the test. > > > IMHO, the RHCE is not worth it (yet). Why? The market demmand for linux > consulting is not large enough to make a certification worth anything. Not that > an MSCE is worth anything. > > In the 6 years I've done linux consulting, not once as any client asked for any > credentials or certifications. > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Mar 22 12:37:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MOA Apple Store and those cool sphere chairs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D763AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't remember those chairs at the apple store, but if they are sphere chairs, they may be a design by Eero Aarnio from back in the 60's. http://www.eero-aarnio.com There is a place that currently makes them, and they cost around $2250 each direct from them, and $4500 or so from resellers. They definitely are not cheap. If you are looking for something similar, you could always go down to Rosenthal's Furniture next door to the Pickled Parrot. If you like contemporary furniture, you will probably spend lots of money at Rosenthals, and they can probably get you just about any chair you want. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MOA Apple Store and those cool sphere chairs > Importance: High > > > Anyone been to the Apple Store in MOA and seen those cool > shere chairs the kids > sit on when playing on the iMacs? > > Anyone know the name of them? > > There was no tag on them and none of the employees at the > store new the name. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From gsker at tcfreenet.org Fri Mar 22 14:00:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Driveres in 2.4 kernel Message-ID: <20020322121945.W21853-100000@tcfreenet.org> Has anyone else experienced quieter sound from sound modules in the 2.4 kernels? I have to set everything way higher to even hear it.... I think it's driver dependent, but it DID do it for two different sound cards with different drivers. These are the modules currently loaded es1371: version v0.30 time 20:34:10 Mar 18 2002 PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:0f.0 es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x1371 revision 0x08 es1371: found es1371 rev 8 at io 0xfc40 irq 9 es1371: features: joystick 0x0 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x4352:0x5913 (Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev A) Maybe I should just try the alsa drivers.... -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Mar 22 14:10:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAID (1) recovery Message-ID: There's a bunch of stuff I don't understand in RAID recovery (and I remember thinking I really should put some disks in a box and spend some hours playing with them to get more familiar with it, too, back when I started using it; guess I should have actually done it). Any good sources? The HOWTO and FAQ I've found are confusing and out of date and have no content. Some of the examples are clearly wrong (like showing using raidhotadd to add a *drive*, like hde, rather than a partition, like hde1, into a raid array). They advise doing things that the man pages seem to say are wrong (like using mkraid on devices with data on them; the man page says this will destroy the data on them). I had a RAID 1 mirror across two drives (single large partition on each). (Oh; this is NOT the root or boot partition). I had some errors logged early this morning: Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 01:55:17 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 01:55:30 gw kernel: ide1: reset: success Mar 22 02:00:30 gw kernel: hdd: lost interrupt Mar 22 02:00:30 gw kernel: hdd: write_intr error1: nr_sectors=1, stat=0x00 Mar 22 02:00:30 gw kernel: hdd: write_intr: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 02:00:35 gw kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 02:00:35 gw kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Mar 22 02:00:36 gw kernel: ide1: reset: success Mar 22 03:15:52 gw kernel: hdd: lost interrupt Mar 22 03:15:52 gw kernel: hdd: write_intr error1: nr_sectors=3, stat=0x00 Mar 22 03:15:52 gw kernel: hdd: write_intr: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 03:15:57 gw kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 03:15:57 gw kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Mar 22 03:16:27 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 03:16:27 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 03:16:27 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 03:16:57 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 03:17:02 gw kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 03:17:02 gw kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x00 { } Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 15204392 Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: raid1: Disk failure on hdc1, disabling device. Mar 22 03:17:32 gw kernel: ^IOperation continuing on 1 devices Then a reboot seemed to bring things partially back: Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: md0: max total readahead window set to 124k Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: md0: 1 data-disks, max readahead per data-disk: 124k Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: raid1: device hdd1 operational as mirror 1 Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: raid1: device hdc1 operational as mirror 0 Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: raid1: raid set md0 not clean; reconstructing mirrors Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: md: updating md0 RAID superblock on device Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: md: hdd1 [events: 00000088](write) hdd1's sb offset: 19551040 Mar 22 09:36:14 gw kernel: md: syncing RAID array md0 But only for a little while Mar 22 09:47:57 gw kernel: hdd: status error: status=0xff { Busy } Mar 22 09:47:57 gw kernel: hdc: DMA disabled Mar 22 09:47:57 gw kernel: hdd: DMA disabled Mar 22 09:47:57 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 09:48:14 gw kernel: ide1: reset: success Mar 22 09:49:13 gw kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 09:49:48 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 09:49:48 gw kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 09:49:48 gw kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Mar 22 09:50:23 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 09:50:23 gw kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 09:50:23 gw kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Mar 22 09:50:58 gw kernel: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80 Mar 22 09:50:58 gw kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } Mar 22 09:50:58 gw kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139160 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139168 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139176 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139184 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139192 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139200 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139208 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139216 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139224 Mar 22 09:51:28 gw kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc), sector 9139232 Note the errors on hdc this time. Starting to be scary -- both drives of the mirror have reported errors. However, hdc and hdd are the two drives on the motherboard secondary IDE (Yes, I know it's better not to have the two drives on the same channel) so maybe it's a controller problem of some sort. So I put in a new controller I had lying around and another 20 gig drive I had lying around (warranty replacement from a previous failure). Partitioned the new drive to match. I edited /etc/raidtab to point the second drive of the mirror to the new partition (hde1). Rebooted. Things looked good; then I looked more carefully and discovered that, despite the contents of /etc/raidtab, it was reconstructing the mirror on hdc1 and hdd1, the old drives. I guess this is a consequence of persistent superblock? Then I did a raidhotadd (can't find any man pages for any of the "hot" raid commands, either) and added hde1, the new drive, into the mirror. That worked, and resync worked. I think I now have a three-disk mirrored set, which can't be helping the write performance any. Tried to take out hdd1 with raidhotremove, but it said the drive was busy. Not sure I had the syntax right anyway. Then (just now) I saw this in the log: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: trying to remove hdd1 from md0 ... Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: bug in file md.c, line 2344 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md:^I********************************** Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md:^I* * Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md:^I********************************** Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md0: array superblock: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: SB: (V:0.90.0) ID: CT:3a8efac2 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: L1 S19551040 ND:3 RD:2 md0 LO:0 CS:8192 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: UT:3c9b7b73 ST:0 AD:2 WD:3 FD:0 SD:1 CSUM:736b8df3 E:0000008a Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 0: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 1: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 2: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: THIS: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: rdev hde1: O:hde1, SZ:19551040 F:0 DN:2 md: rdev superblock: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: SB: (V:0.90.0) ID: CT:3a8efac2 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: L1 S19551040 ND:3 RD:2 md0 LO:0 CS:8192 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: UT:3c9b7b73 ST:0 AD:2 WD:3 FD:0 SD:1 CSUM:736bbba1 E:0000008a Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 0: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 1: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 2: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: THIS: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: rdev hdd1: O:hdd1, SZ:19551040 F:0 DN:1 md: rdev superblock: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: SB: (V:0.90.0) ID: CT:3a8efac2 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: L1 S19551040 ND:3 RD:2 md0 LO:0 CS:8192 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: UT:3c9b7b73 ST:0 AD:2 WD:3 FD:0 SD:1 CSUM:736bbbda E:0000008a Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 0: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 1: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 2: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: THIS: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: rdev hdc1: O:hdc1, SZ:19551040 F:0 DN:0 md: rdev superblock: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: SB: (V:0.90.0) ID: CT:3a8efac2 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: L1 S19551040 ND:3 RD:2 md0 LO:0 CS:8192 Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: UT:3c9b7b73 ST:0 AD:2 WD:3 FD:0 SD:1 CSUM:736bbb98 E:0000008a Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 0: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 1: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: D 2: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: THIS: DISK Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md:^I********************************** Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: Mar 22 14:04:54 gw kernel: md: cannot remove active disk hdd1 from md0 ... I guess this may be a consequence of my improper raidhotremove command, rather than a serious problem, though. So now I have three disks in a mirror. How do I go about removing one of them? How do I get the system to actually do what /etc/raidtab says? How do I move raid disks around (like to put them one per channel on the new ata-100 controller)? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Mar 22 14:13:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Ben Stallings writes: > Let's imagine for a moment that you're configuring a Linux box for a computer > amateur, like your grandmother. If your grandmother is a technogoddess, > imagine someone else's grandmother. She wants a graphical Web browser and > e-mail client and nothing else, so you lock the system down very tight ... > she can't get into any programs that she doesn't understand. > > Now let's say she calls you up and says something is wrong with the computer. > You gather that it turns on and the screen lights up, but beyond that she's > really not very descriptive about what exactly is happening. She's miles > away from you, so you really don't want to go to her place or have her bring > the computer to you. You kick yourself for not installing some sort of back > door so you can dial into her machine and check it out as root. > > Now let's say you foresee this situation and do in fact install some sort of > back door. What software do you use? How do you secure it so that other > people don't hack her computer? How do you make it easy enough for her to > start when she needs to without being so obvious that she starts it > unnecessarily? --Ben I'd have her computer run sshd, and install my public-key identity in my user account (so I didn't have to remember the password). And I'd install zup, built so that it let me become root but nobody else, so I didn't have to remember her root password (or know if she changed it). If she's behind a NAT box, I'd have to set up port forwarding to get my ssh connect to the linux box. With ssh, I can then tunnel in anything else I need, like a secure web connection, or X display. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Mar 22 14:17:01 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:15:40AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > - have /bin, /etc, /sbin, and /usr on read-only media (CD-R?) > > - have /home, /root, and /var on disk (maybe as little as 2 Gb?) > > In the event of problems, you could have a bit of trouble getting the > machine back up to fix it if /bin, /etc, /sbin, /lib, and /root > aren't all on the root partition. > > Also, if /bin, /sbin, /lib, and/or /usr are on read-only media, you > can't update software as security patches are released. Granted, an > intruder won't be able to plant trojaned binaries, but they'll still > be able to trash /home and /var. I know sysadmins who have hacked a hardware write-protect switch for SCSI drives. It lets them have critical binaries on physically-protected read-only media, and still update them. To be really safe, you can't do the update remotely though, since a true paranoid would disconnect the network and reboot (from the read-only media) before enabling write. Can this be done for IDE? Maybe an adapter that plugs between the drive and the cable and has the switch on it? I have no idea what the lines in the cable are. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 22 14:23:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322091540.A12405@trammell.dyndns.org> <20020322092734.C3106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020322202224.GA2118@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 02:16:02PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I know sysadmins who have hacked a hardware write-protect switch for Do you mean they put a jumper on the RO pins on the HDD? That reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where Dilbert's mom asks him what he did at the office that day: "I have debugged a TCP/IP connection" says Dilbert. "Do you mean you just put a trafic analizer on the line and then waited the whole day for a bad packet? Look - I will pay the tuition fee for you to learn how to fix typewriters instead..." says Mom. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, it's even easier to just put a switch across it. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 16:29:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Re: skipjack not flipped Message-ID: <20020322162843.G26424@real-time.com> The bits in skipjack are open. I'm manually syncing now to get ours open. Enjoy.... ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Anderson ----- > > Any reason the bits have not flipped on skipjack yet? > > i just woke up and was going to ask the same question.. i've been > frantically looking through overnight mail to see if anyone said to > "officially" flip the bits.. nada.. A semi tractor-trailier jackknifed or something on interstate, so I had to take an alternate route back to the office this afternoon. The bits just got flipped here, and out on rhm1/2. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andrew Anderson Red Hat, Inc It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. _______________________________________________ Mirror-list-d mailing list Mirror-list-d@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/mirror-list-d ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wlayer at attbi.com Fri Mar 22 16:38:02 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Driveres in 2.4 kernel In-Reply-To: <20020322121945.W21853-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20020322121945.W21853-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20020322163259.250ddecf.wlayer@attbi.com> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:03:41 -0600 (CST) Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > These are the modules currently loaded > > es1371: version v0.30 time 20:34:10 Mar 18 2002 > PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:0f.0 > es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x1371 revision 0x08 > es1371: found es1371 rev 8 at io 0xfc40 irq 9 > es1371: features: joystick 0x0 Not sure about the levels part, but use the following line when you load the module, so that joystick port gets properly initialized (this is a line from my rc.modules file): /sbin/modprobe es1371 joystick=0x200 If you have the driver built in to the kernel, use: append="es1371=0x200" in /etc/lilo.conf Otherwise, you'll never be able to get a conventional joystick or pad working ;-) -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From idsfa at visi.com Fri Mar 22 17:10:02 2002 From: idsfa at visi.com (Michael Kellen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems In-Reply-To: <200203220605.g2M659h00978@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200203220605.g2M659h00978@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016838607.17132.1.camel@mitethe> On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 00:05, Amy Tanner wrote: > I am unable to get gnome-pilot to work with my pilot w/ serial cradle > and RH 7.2. I searched the ximian mailing list archives and see most > people can't get it to work but apparently some have. I do know that there were problems with the configuration files for gpilotd in some releases. Make sure that you have these files: ~/.gnome/gnome-pilot.d/gpilotd /conduitsXXXXX (XXXXX = pilot id) The "conduits" file, in particular, was foo'd. > Anyone else have this working? Well, I have ximian + debian(stable) and debian(unstable) both using serial sync, with full evolution connectivity. Not quite what you're asking, though. -- $ fortune -m Kellen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 17:59:57 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems In-Reply-To: <1016770580.1651.176.camel@merlin>; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:16:20PM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> <1016770580.1651.176.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <20020322071134.W3733@real-time.com> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 10:16:20PM -0600, Dave Royer (dave@droyer.org) wrote: > I have had a few problems getting it to work but I found the best way to > start is by running gpilotd from the command line. You might get better > error messages. You might have to kill the running daemon before you > start gpilotd to get it to work. Also, I found that I had to start the > sync on the palm before starting gpilotd. I found the problem. My ~/.gnome/gnome-pilot.d dir was owned by root. After I chown'd it to me, everything worked. > I have found that there's a lot of work that needs to be done, but it's > pretty usable. (For what it's worth, I still can't get the evolution > address conduit to work.) All the evolution conduits work for me. I miss the gnu keyring conduit that jpilot has though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 18:00:25 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-pilot problems In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 01:52:48AM -0600 References: <20020321112716.G3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322071407.X3733@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 01:52:48AM -0600, Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Note: I was able to get jpilot to work by creating a sym link for > > libpisock.so.3 and installing with nodeps. I currently have jpilot > > uninstalled, however, in an effort to get gnome-pilot to work. > > having to create the symlink shows that something is not going right, what > error do you get without using the --nodeps? The problem is that gnome-pilot requires libpisock.so.4 and jpilot requires libpisock.so.3, so installing jpilot when gnome-pilot is already installed doesn't work (unless you create a symlink to libpisock.so.4). At any rate, I'm going to use gnome-pilot now rather than jpilot since I like evolution's interface better. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Fri Mar 22 18:00:55 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE test In-Reply-To: <20020322115728.Q6365@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:57:28AM -0600 References: <20020322114313.B10727@knicknack.net> <20020322115728.Q6365@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020322120800.J3733@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:57:28AM -0600, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > IMHO, the RHCE is not worth it (yet). Why? The market demmand for linux > consulting is not large enough to make a certification worth anything. Not that > an MSCE is worth anything. > > In the 6 years I've done linux consulting, not once as any client asked for any > credentials or certifications. What about employers though? Most employers are big into certifications, regardless of whether there's any evidence that employees with certifications perform better than those without. Anyone know of any firms actually looking for people RHCE-certified? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Mar 22 18:01:29 2002 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking to Buy: Cisco 678 Message-ID: I'm posting this for Bill Gladden. He is looking to buy a Cisco 678 DSL Router. If anyone has one for sale, please call Bill Gladden at (612) 870-8488. Don't try to email him, because he doesn't have net access currently. Mike From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 22 20:10:02 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Re: skipjack not flipped In-Reply-To: <20020322162843.G26424@real-time.com> References: <20020322162843.G26424@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020323020944.GB2118@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:28:43PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > The bits in skipjack are open. I'm manually syncing now to get ours open. > > Enjoy.... My hat goes off to KDE and RedHat: in a .3 release (which is supposed to be superstable they integrated KDE 3.0 left Gnome at 1.4 out. That says something about the maturity of RedHat and KDE. BTW: I like Gnome (look&feel) more than KDE. Hopefully Gnome 2.0 will be a good release. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't try to email him, because he doesn't have net access > currently. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mbusse at bussefamily.com Fri Mar 22 21:38:01 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Michael Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking to Buy: Cisco 678 Message-ID: <200203230340.g2N3eN603709@webmail.bussefamily.com> I'll have one in a couple weeks when my RoadRunner service is installed... > I'm posting this for Bill Gladden. He is looking to buy a Cisco 678 DSL > Router. If anyone has one for sale, please call Bill Gladden at (612) > 870-8488. Don't try to email him, because he doesn't have net access > currently. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 23 06:37:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020322115258.O6365@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:52:58AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322115258.O6365@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020323063750.G25069@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:52:58AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: [not replying to Bob in particular, but..] > The read-only FS stuff is a good idea, but can make install updates/patches and > pain for -you- when it comes time. Why? Grandma doesn't need the root password, and your permissions *are* set properly aren't they? Even if grandma accidently shuts down improperly you'd be using ext3, and would lose no data due to the fact that grandma wasn't modifying those partitions. (and she'd get to wait a few moments while it fsck'd, and see the reminder to shut down properly) > Installing tripwire is a better idea, IMHO. Yep, RedHat comes with it, `echo you@your.email > ~root/.forward` and you can get the reports directly. > > Install sshd, disable root logins, enable X forwarding. How is disabling root logins going to change anything? You picked a secure password didn't you? You used a *unique* password, didn't you? If you feel insecure about your passwords then disable restrict remote logins to people with public/private key pairs. (disable password authentication) Running sshd on 'a high port' (see other post) isn't going to get you anything, most decent scanners would grab the banner from the port when they scanned and tell you it's sshd. (Security through obscurity is no security at all) > Setup iptables, lock down everything except ssh access from your box (assuming > you have a static IP). Or if you have a dynamic IP you can add the block you're in (not the best solution) or add the IP of a machine that you have access to, that does have a static IP. > If you got static IPs on each side, setup IPSEC. Seems like overkill, but if you are going to do this you might as well use remote syslogging to your box so you can see what's going on at grandma's place in real time. > Run neuss against the each box and make sure there is no warnings. Did you mean nessus? Hopefully you've selected maximum security in the RH setup and it setup what's generally referred to as a black hole. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From dante at plethora.net Sat Mar 23 09:50:02 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE test In-Reply-To: <20020322120800.J3733@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:57:28AM -0600, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > > IMHO, the RHCE is not worth it (yet). Why? The market demmand for linux > > consulting is not large enough to make a certification worth anything. Not that > > an MSCE is worth anything. > > > > In the 6 years I've done linux consulting, not once as any client asked for any > > credentials or certifications. > > What about employers though? Most employers are big into certifications, > regardless of whether there's any evidence that employees with certifications > perform better than those without. Anyone know of any firms actually > looking for people RHCE-certified? > It wouldn't count against you, and is likely to get you past HR. Make certain that you indicate that it is a Linux certification on your resume though, most HR people wouldn't know a RHCE from an RSVP. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From esper at sherohman.org Sat Mar 23 11:41:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thought experiment: secure backdoor In-Reply-To: <20020323063750.G25069@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:37:50AM -0600 References: <200203221442.g2MEgCh07511@sprite.real-time.com> <20020322115258.O6365@real-time.com> <20020323063750.G25069@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020323113833.A11627@sherohman.org> On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:37:50AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:52:58AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Install sshd, disable root logins, enable X forwarding. > > How is disabling root logins going to change anything? You picked a secure > password didn't you? You used a *unique* password, didn't you? If you feel > insecure about your passwords then disable restrict remote logins to people > with public/private key pairs. (disable password authentication) Disabling root login via ssh means that an attacker needs to obtain _two_ things (either your password/root password or your key/root password) to gain root access rather than just one. There is also the possibility that an ssh exploit may exist which allows a cracker to bypass ssh's authentication entirely - but if ssh has root logins disabled, that still only gets them access to arbitrary user accounts, not root. (Yes, I know that local root exploits exist. No, that's not an excuse for letting an attacker go directly to root without using one.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dutchman at uswest.net Sat Mar 23 14:06:01 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 Message-ID: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> Does anyone know where I can find openssh rpms for a RH 6.2 box? I poked around the redhat site (and mn-linux) site and could not find them. RPMFind had some pretty old ones but that worries me. I cannot grab the source from openssh.org because I am building a bare-bones firewall box and I don't have any of the compilations tools on the box to be able to compile the source. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Mar 23 15:44:00 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> References: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 14:03, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find openssh rpms for a RH 6.2 box? I > poked around the redhat site (and mn-linux) site and could not find > them. RPMFind had some pretty old ones but that worries me. I cannot > grab the source from openssh.org because I am building a bare-bones > firewall box and I don't have any of the compilations tools on the box > to be able to compile the source. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com I've got the packages that used to be at mn-linux.org, for RH 6.2. How would you like to get them? Ssh into my server is possible -- I have DSL, and port 22 is open on my Cisco :-) Email me off-list if you are insterested. Alternatively, I could burn them to a CD, but I think I'm out of CD-R's at the moment... -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.key | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020323/48497305/attachment.pgp From shanson at cruiskeen.com Sat Mar 23 15:55:01 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] )(()*&^(*&67 D-link router Message-ID: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> Okay - anybody have any light to shed on this? I just bought a DI-713p D-link wireless gateway, thinking it'd make my life easier :-). Some of it works fine. I can hook its built-in switch to my machines and I can connect to it from my wireless cards just fine. But I can't get an IP address from my ISP. My DSL service is pretty straightforward - you plug a machine into the DSL modem and set it up for DHCP and in general it's worked just fine. Until I put in this box. It never gets a DHCP address. It tries, but it seems to keep on asking for an address that my ISP won't give it - the log looks like this: WAN Type: Dynamic IP Address (2.57 build 3a) Display time: Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:41 PM CST Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:38:39 PM CST 192.168.0.2 login successful Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:discover() Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:nak Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:discover() Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:nak Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:discover() Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:nak Eventually it seems to give up on logging, although the DHCP chatter seems to go on forever. I've sent in a request to D-Link support, but past experience leads me to believe that they will read me the couple of pages in the lousy manual that apply, and then tell me there must be somethign wrong with my computer. Anyway, I'm about ready to box it up and send it back to Amazon. And yes, it has the latest firmware revision. I even tried some older ones. From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Mar 23 19:16:01 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network flaking out In-Reply-To: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: I am running Debian on my workstation and firewall at home. My workstation is having the network flake out fairly regularly. Approximately every hour the network will become unusable. If i ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 it works again. I have been told that it sounds like a DHCP issue, but I'm not sure if that would be a problem with the firewall or with my workstation. When I have my workstation in windows I don't have the problem. I think it's really odd because I haven't really changed anything on my computer for about a week before it started happening. Any ideas? TIA - Kremer From davjohn at mn.rr.com Sat Mar 23 19:19:01 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <1016932498.14186.3.camel@me> I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, and I need to update ssh. I tried the rpms that come with 7.2, but you know how redhat is with dependencies, especially between releases. Are yours built on the 6.2 glibc, etc.? (in other words, can I just install them without updating every part of the box?). Thanks. Appreciate this. david johnson On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 15:43, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 14:03, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can find openssh rpms for a RH 6.2 box? I > > poked around the redhat site (and mn-linux) site and could not find > > them. RPMFind had some pretty old ones but that worries me. I cannot > > grab the source from openssh.org because I am building a bare-bones > > firewall box and I don't have any of the compilations tools on the box > > to be able to compile the source. > > > > -- > > Perry Hoekstra > > E-Commerce Architect > > Talent Software Services > > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > I've got the packages that used to be at mn-linux.org, for RH 6.2. How > would you like to get them? Ssh into my server is possible -- I have > DSL, and port 22 is open on my Cisco :-) Email me off-list if you are > insterested. Alternatively, I could burn them to a CD, but I think I'm > out of CD-R's at the moment... > > -- > Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, > MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, > and good with ketchup. > "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.key | gpg --import" From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Mar 23 20:15:02 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network flaking out References: Message-ID: <000601c1d2d9$accdf700$1e02a8c0@zippy> There are problems with a major portion of the earthlink network as it passes through chicago right now. (I was told that a hardware upgrade is not going well) This also effects several minnesota ISPs. Perhaps this has something to do with it. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kremer" To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] network flaking out I am running Debian on my workstation and firewall at home. My workstation is having the network flake out fairly regularly. Approximately every hour the network will become unusable. If i ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 it works again. I have been told that it sounds like a DHCP issue, but I'm not sure if that would be a problem with the firewall or with my workstation. When I have my workstation in windows I don't have the problem. I think it's really odd because I haven't really changed anything on my computer for about a week before it started happening. Any ideas? TIA - Kremer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Mar 23 20:16:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <20020324021603.GB24769@ringworld.org> * Kremer [020323 19:17]: > I am running Debian on my workstation and firewall at home. My > workstation is having the network flake out fairly regularly. Which network card? Have you tried a known good card? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dutchman at uswest.net Sat Mar 23 20:58:01 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 References: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <1016932498.14186.3.camel@me> Message-ID: <3C9D401F.9941DDD2@mn.uswest.net> I think the first problem will be that RH6.2 is RPM level 3 and RH 7.2 is RPM level 4. David Johnson wrote: > I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I > have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, and I need to update ssh. I tried > the rpms that come with 7.2, but you know how redhat is with > dependencies, especially between releases. Are yours built on the 6.2 > glibc, etc.? (in other words, can I just install them without updating > every part of the box?). > > Thanks. Appreciate this. > > david johnson > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 15:43, Dave Sherman wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 14:03, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can find openssh rpms for a RH 6.2 box? I > > > poked around the redhat site (and mn-linux) site and could not find > > > them. RPMFind had some pretty old ones but that worries me. I cannot > > > grab the source from openssh.org because I am building a bare-bones > > > firewall box and I don't have any of the compilations tools on the box > > > to be able to compile the source. > > > > > > -- > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > E-Commerce Architect > > > Talent Software Services > > > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > > I've got the packages that used to be at mn-linux.org, for RH 6.2. How > > would you like to get them? Ssh into my server is possible -- I have > > DSL, and port 22 is open on my Cisco :-) Email me off-list if you are > > insterested. Alternatively, I could burn them to a CD, but I think I'm > > out of CD-R's at the moment... > > > > -- > > Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, > > MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, > > and good with ketchup. > > "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.key | gpg --import" > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From schanno at tcfreenet.org Sat Mar 23 21:01:01 2002 From: schanno at tcfreenet.org (Terry R Schanno) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP Administrators? In-Reply-To: <3C9D401F.9941DDD2@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20020323210413.R58756-100000@tcfreenet.org> Not exactly Linux related but... The Twin Cities Freenet is currently looking for volunteers with expierence in the following areas; FreeBSD Systems Administration Modems and Terminal Servers PPP Servers under FreeBSD Linux Systems Configuration Hardware upgrades and recycling All person interested or with questions should reply to this message. Terry Schanno TCFN Volunteer Coordinator schanno@tcfreenet.org From dutchman at uswest.net Sat Mar 23 21:03:02 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question Message-ID: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> I have a stupid newbie DHCP question. I am configuring a firewall for my cable modem. I have two NICs in the box. eth0 is configured to obtain an IP address through DHCP (from the cable modem). eth1 is a static IP (10.0.0.3) that services the interior network. I would like to setup DHCP for a laptop on my internal network. My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable modem? I was thinking about this because some people were saying how rogue DHCP servers running on boxes plugged into the network at the last Installfest were causing problems. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sat Mar 23 21:26:01 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question In-Reply-To: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <055ac2826031832FE8@mail8.mn.rr.com> If I understand you correctly... You have a cable running from eth0 to your cable modem. When eth0 queries for DHCP service, it's going to be over that physical cable. - Jared On Saturday 23 March 2002 09:00 pm, you wrote: > I have a stupid newbie DHCP question. > > I am configuring a firewall for my cable modem. I have two NICs in the > box. eth0 is configured to obtain an IP address through DHCP (from the > cable modem). eth1 is a static IP (10.0.0.3) that services the interior > network. I would like to setup DHCP for a laptop on my internal > network. My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from > grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable > modem? I was thinking about this because some people were saying how > rogue DHCP servers running on boxes plugged into the network at the last > Installfest were causing problems. From feist at borg.umn.edu Sat Mar 23 21:49:01 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question In-Reply-To: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 09:00:26PM -0600 References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20020323214840.A13974@borg.umn.edu> On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 09:00:26PM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from > grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable > modem? Just make sure that your dhcp server only listens/responds to the interface that is not connected to your cable modem. Assuming that your cable modem is on eth0 and your network is on eth1 you would run dhcpd like this: 'dhcpd eth1'. This may differ depending on what dhcp server you are running. Chris From joellist at litriusgroup.com Sat Mar 23 22:34:00 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <006e01c1d2fd$d0695f50$7f02a8c0@destro> what is your distro / version? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question > I have a stupid newbie DHCP question. > > I am configuring a firewall for my cable modem. I have two NICs in the > box. eth0 is configured to obtain an IP address through DHCP (from the > cable modem). eth1 is a static IP (10.0.0.3) that services the interior > network. I would like to setup DHCP for a laptop on my internal > network. My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from > grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable > modem? I was thinking about this because some people were saying how > rogue DHCP servers running on boxes plugged into the network at the last > Installfest were causing problems. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Mar 23 22:42:01 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020324021603.GB24769@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > Which network card? Have you tried a known good card? linksys lne100tx as far as i am aware, it IS a known good card. has been working for me for over 6 months, and it is running just fine in windows at the moment. (has been for over 24 hours) or is it possible that the NIC has flaked out and windows is managing to reset the network, whereas linux is requiring me to reset the network manually? - Kremer From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Mar 23 22:44:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <1016932498.14186.3.camel@me> References: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <1016932498.14186.3.camel@me> Message-ID: <1016945072.5704.13.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 19:14, David Johnson wrote: > I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I > have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, and I need to update ssh. I tried > the rpms that come with 7.2, but you know how redhat is with > dependencies, especially between releases. Are yours built on the 6.2 > glibc, etc.? (in other words, can I just install them without updating > every part of the box?). > > Thanks. Appreciate this. If I remember correctly, it installed without any problems on my stock RH 6.2 box. I did also need the openssl packages. But I have them, too, so you could download and upgrade both if necessary. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.key | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020323/2d23e319/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Mar 23 22:47:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: <20020324021603.GB24769@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020324044659.GF24769@ringworld.org> * Kremer [020323 22:43]: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > > Which network card? Have you tried a known good card? > linksys lne100tx I had one of Zibby's linksys cards freaking out reproducably during a paticular ftp download one time.... -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dutchman at uswest.net Sat Mar 23 22:55:02 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> <006e01c1d2fd$d0695f50$7f02a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <3C9D5BA1.BA870CCF@mn.uswest.net> destr0 wrote: > what is your distro / version? The firewall is a RH6.2. My other two boxes are RH 7.2 as is the laptop that needs the DHCP. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From joellist at litriusgroup.com Sat Mar 23 23:53:00 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> <006e01c1d2fd$d0695f50$7f02a8c0@destro> <3C9D5BA1.BA870CCF@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <008901c1d308$cc50efe0$7f02a8c0@destro> I'm not familiar with how dhcpd will be set up on 6.2, but on 7.2 you can edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and add eth1 to your DHCPDARGS so that the server only listens on eth1. (My whole file reads: #Command line options here DHCPDARGS=eth1 ) Same thing as what Mr. Feist told you to do, but if you add it here, then you don't have to worry about it anymore. From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Mar 24 00:13:01 2002 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange ubench results? Message-ID: <20020324000948.D12637-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net> I ran ubench on my system and I came up with some results that seem a bit low. I am running a 700MHz AMD Duron with 512 Megs of ram on Red Hat 7.2. When I ran ubench, I came up with a CPU result of 23612, and a MEM result of 3654. Most benchmark results on similiar systems come up with about 26000 for CPU and 23000 for MEM. It seems like the MEM figure is quite low here. Anyone know what I may want to check? The BIOS detects all the ram in the system. Why might I be coming up with such a low result? - Jamie From kremer at ringworld.org Sun Mar 24 00:48:01 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020324044659.GF24769@ringworld.org> Message-ID: ok...seems it IS a hardware issue. Windows is also having the problem, though it is harder to notice, since it automatically resets the networking if it is down when there is a request. Any suggestions on a better network card to use without spending a lot of money? I think this is the 4th linksys card i've had die on me in not as many years, so i'm ready to try something else. - Kremer From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Mar 24 01:12:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sunday 24 March 2002 12:48 am, Kremer wrote: > Any suggestions on a better network card to use without spending a lot > of money? i think i still have a 3com 3c905 lying around, i also have an intel EEpro100 i used to give them away, but these are the last ones that i have and my source is depleted so you will have to make an offer -munir From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Mar 24 10:26:02 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find openssh rpms for a RH 6.2 box? I > poked around the redhat site (and mn-linux) site and could not find > them. RPMFind had some pretty old ones but that worries me. I cannot > grab the source from openssh.org because I am building a bare-bones > firewall box and I don't have any of the compilations tools on the box > to be able to compile the source. Yep, I already maintain a set of OpenSSH RPMs compiled for RedHat 6.2. They're available at http://beer.tclug.org/openssh/ . There are copies for both i386 and SPARC. (PPC coming as soon as I bother to upload them.) They've been patched against the recent channels_alloc bug. You'll need the openssl RPM from the 6.2 updates (available at any decent RedHat mirror). To install that you'll probably need the latest copy of RPM. To install *that* you'll need the db3 RPM. (Yes, I can see why people hate RPM dependencies. But you really should be applying updates anyway.) Yeah, this is a bit late, but it's information for anyone else who wondered, too. Jima From jspinti at dartdist.com Sun Mar 24 10:31:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1016987744.7219.101.camel@Dart-83_linux> On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 00:48, Kremer wrote: > ok...seems it IS a hardware issue. Windows is also having the problem, > though it is harder to notice, since it automatically resets the > networking if it is down when there is a request. > Any suggestions on a better network card to use without spending a lot of > money? > I think this is the 4th linksys card i've had die on me in not as many > years, so i'm ready to try something else. > > - Kremer I have been using D-Link cards at home since RH 5.2 without problems. They are cheap, the last ones I bought were only about $10 at Best Buy. If you're running NT, it detects them as Realtek cards, but they still work. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sun Mar 24 11:46:02 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble FTPing Mandrake 8.2 images from Gladiator Message-ID: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> 1. I ftp to ftp.real-time.com and log in as anonymous 2. I go to linux/misc_iso 3. I type "prompt" to turn off prompting and then "mget Mandrake82*" 4. Time passes, the stars align 5. The first download "finishes" (the local file size matches the remote file size) but never really terminates (it just sits there as if it's still downloading) 6. I terminate the download Despite the fact that the file sizes are the same, the md5sums are different than those posted on the Mandrake site. I've also tried this with gftp and the same thing happens. The first download appears to finish but it never moves on to the next image. Anyone have any thoughts? Am I doing something wrong? Jumping the gun on step 6 maybe? While I'm at it, why are the Mandrake image listed under misc_iso? Shouldn't Mandrake have its own folder under the linux directory? Thanks, - Jared From mike at Jentges.NET Sun Mar 24 11:49:01 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, 4 $20 LinkSys cards adds up to about $80. Can get a nice 3com 3c905 for that, and it'll be there to pass on to your grandchildren. :) For a long time I swore by the Intel eepro 100 but as of late have noticed a problem with massive collisions on them. None on the 3coms though. Still looking into this. Mike Jentges -- ************************************************** **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** ************************************************** On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Kremer wrote: > ok...seems it IS a hardware issue. Windows is also having the problem, > though it is harder to notice, since it automatically resets the > networking if it is down when there is a request. > Any suggestions on a better network card to use without spending a lot of > money? > I think this is the 4th linksys card i've had die on me in not as many > years, so i'm ready to try something else. > > - Kremer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Mar 24 11:59:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: <20020324044659.GF24769@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020324175854.GL24769@ringworld.org> * Kremer [020324 00:49]: > Any suggestions on a better network card to use without spending a lot of > money? netgear natsemi based cards work well. I use them at home and in destiny.ringworld.org -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From jspinti at dartdist.com Sun Mar 24 12:16:02 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble FTPing Mandrake 8.2 images from Gladiator In-Reply-To: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> References: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux> On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 11:47, Jared Burns wrote: > 1. I ftp to ftp.real-time.com and log in as anonymous > 2. I go to linux/misc_iso > 3. I type "prompt" to turn off prompting and then "mget Mandrake82*" > 4. Time passes, the stars align > 5. The first download "finishes" (the local file size matches the remote file > size) but never really terminates (it just sits there as if it's still > downloading) > 6. I terminate the download > > Despite the fact that the file sizes are the same, the md5sums are different > than those posted on the Mandrake site. I've also tried this with gftp and > the same thing happens. The first download appears to finish but it never > moves on to the next image. > > Anyone have any thoughts? Am I doing something wrong? Jumping the gun on step > 6 maybe? > > While I'm at it, why are the Mandrake image listed under misc_iso? Shouldn't > Mandrake have its own folder under the linux directory? > > Thanks, > - Jared > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > I had similar problems. All the files downloaded, but disk 1 locks up any computer that I put it in. To get around that, I did an NFS install, but the kernel, kdebase and some other files were corrupt. Bob, are the iso's corrupt? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From joelr at ellegon.com Sun Mar 24 12:25:02 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG]Got the Mandrake 8.2 images, but . . . In-Reply-To: <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux> References: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux> Message-ID: <200203241223.37234@ellegon.com> I've got an obvious sort of problem upgrading: my /, /usr, and /var partitions are on RAID partitions, and when I boot from the 8.2 installation disks, naturally, the installation program doesn't see that. I've considered trying liveupdate, but, to be honest, I've had enough bad reports on that that it makes me nervous. So: what do I have to do in order to get the installation to work? -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Mar 24 12:55:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 10:41:41PM -0600 References: <20020324021603.GB24769@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020324125521.B17393@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 10:41:41PM -0600, Kremer wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > > Which network card? Have you tried a known good card? > > linksys lne100tx Maybe the computer has too much dust in it. Once, one of my old computers with a 3c509 card (10 MBit ISA 3Com card) stopped acting flaky on the network after I blew the dust out of it. Joel From idsfa at visi.com Sun Mar 24 13:07:02 2002 From: idsfa at visi.com (Michael Kellen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network flaking out In-Reply-To: <200203240435.g2O4Z6h00814@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200203240435.g2O4Z6h00814@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1016996796.26037.2.camel@mitethe> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Kremer wrote: > Approximately every hour the network will become unusable. If i ifdown > eth0 and ifup eth0 it works again. I have been told that it sounds like a > DHCP issue, but I'm not sure if that would be a problem with the firewall > or with my workstation. > Any ideas? I had a similar problem for a while on one of my Debian boxes with early series 2.4.x kernels. It had nothing to do with DHCP, as I wasn't running any DHCP at the time on my net. My workaround was a cron job run every five minutes which bounced the card if I was unable to ping my firewall: #!/bin/bash ping -q -c1 firewall 2>&1 >/dev/null && exit 0 logger -t ifbounce -p kern.warn "Bouncing eth0" /sbin/ifdown --force eth0 /sbin/ifup --force eth0 The machine in question has a Linksys EtherFast 10/100 (tulip chipset) NIC in it. The problem does not occur anymore, using a recent 2.4.x kernel. Of course, this may not even be the same problem. -- $ fortune -m Kellen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <3C9E2C7B.3185A5D7@ppdonline.com> Hi, I have to upgrade from a 2.2.x kernel to a 2.4.x kernel to gain some needed functionality. Currently I'm running Caldera OpenLinux but I figure since I have to upgrade now would be a good time to switch distributions. Anyway, asking which distribution is "best" would probably be useless and just start a never ending debate but I would like to hear any pros and cons you have run into with various distro's. Thanks, Ben. PS this box is going to be functioning as a router/proxy between my LAN and the internet if that helps in forming comments. From marc at ds6.net Sun Mar 24 13:59:01 2002 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opinions on distributions? In-Reply-To: <3C9E2C7B.3185A5D7@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:43:55PM -0600 References: <3C9E2C7B.3185A5D7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020324135827.A13652@flanders.digsol.net> On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:43:55PM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hi, > I have to upgrade from a 2.2.x kernel to a 2.4.x kernel to gain some > needed functionality. Currently I'm running Caldera OpenLinux but I > figure since I have to upgrade now would be a good time to switch > distributions. Anyway, asking which distribution is "best" would > probably be useless and just start a never ending debate but I would > like to hear any pros and cons you have run into with various distro's. > Thanks, > Ben. > > PS this box is going to be functioning as a router/proxy between my LAN > and the internet if that helps in forming comments. Slackware makes it pretty easy to set up a very minimal install -- good for a router/firewall. Debian makes it easy to manage dependancies if you're going to be upgrading packages a lot. just my $.02 -- Marc A. Ohmannn marc@ds6.net Digital Solutions, Inc. - Network Administration - Internet Hosting - Application Programming From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 24 15:44:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work Message-ID: <33046.127.0.0.1.1017006162.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have a school district that was using NT for web,mail, and proxy. I moved them over to Linux, using squid for the proxy. All workstations are set up to use port 80 for their proxy settings. Now users only get the local web site on the Linux server. I tried to change squid from port 3128 to 80, but it doesn't correct the problem. if I change the port to 3128 they have full access to the Internet, but where talking a lot of machines to change. Is there a way to get around this so I can keep my current settings? I am brand new to Squid, so please be specific. Thanks in advance! Raymond Norton From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 15:58:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Log analysis In-Reply-To: <20020322115444.P6365@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:54:44AM -0600 References: <20020322115444.P6365@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020324155745.C5454@real-time.com> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:54:44AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Make sure logcheck is installed, by default it runs through the logs once a day > and emails you a report. It's very chatty. At Real Time we have had to turn down > the chattiness. the thing I hate about logcheck is that in order to configure it, you need to be a perl coder, and spend at least an hour figuring out the organization of the scripts (give you a hint, the files in /etc/log.d/conf don't actually configure much. you have to edit the scripts themselves, in /etc/log.d/scripts) swatch is 100 times easier to configure; but seems more oriented towards real-time log watching. it can be configured to send alert mails, tho, so it may be reasonable to: - log everything to /var/log/syslog - rotate that file out with logrotate periodically - run swatch over that file you just rotated out. (what logcheck does is remember the point in the file it last checked up to, rather than have to start on a fresh file each time to avoid duplicate alterts). hmmm, I may have to experiment with that. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Mar 24 16:00:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] language instruction programs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D6A3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know of any language instruction programs for Linux? I have a couple for windows, but they won't work under wine, and I don't have a windows box anymore. I'm specifically looking for Spanish, and German would be nice too. Jay From chrome at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 16:02:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <33046.127.0.0.1.1017006162.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:42:42PM -0600 References: <33046.127.0.0.1.1017006162.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020324160223.D5454@real-time.com> On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:42:42PM -0600, admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > I have a school district that was using NT for web,mail, and proxy. I moved > them over to Linux, using squid for the proxy. All workstations are set up > to use port 80 for their proxy settings. Now users only get the local web > site on the Linux server. I tried to change squid from port 3128 to 80, but > it doesn't correct the problem. if I change the port to 3128 they have full > access to the Internet, but where talking a lot of machines to change. Is > there a way to get around this so I can keep my current settings? I am > brand new to Squid, so please be specific. I'm going to guess that you're running Squid on your firewall here... correct me if I'm wrong. how are you restricting their access to the internet through port 80? perhaps you are firewalling that port off, such that the requests never get to port 80 on the inside interface of the firewall? are you sure squid is listening on port 80? (netstat -an will tell you if something is listening). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 16:04:59 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <33046.127.0.0.1.1017006162.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:42:42PM -0600 References: <33046.127.0.0.1.1017006162.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> Quoting admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > I have a school district that was using NT for web,mail, and proxy. I moved > them over to Linux, using squid for the proxy. All workstations are set up > to use port 80 for their proxy settings. Now users only get the local web > site on the Linux server. I tried to change squid from port 3128 to 80, but > it doesn't correct the problem. if I change the port to 3128 they have full > access to the Internet, but where talking a lot of machines to change. Is > there a way to get around this so I can keep my current settings? I am > brand new to Squid, so please be specific. I assume IE was the web browser? What's best is to setup a proxy.pac file with the configuration of squid in it, then setup the web browser to grab the proxy.pac file. If you have to make any changes in the future you just have to change the proxy.pac file and all the web browsers will get the change. To solve your problem, is a web server running on the squid server? I don't think this is possible since linux should complain about 2 services on 1 port. Is IE configured to not look at the proxy for locate addresses? If you got a firewall, do you allow port 80 out? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 24 16:16:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> References: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> Message-ID: <35743.204.220.56.6.1017008101.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > I assume IE was the web browser? > > What's best is to setup a proxy.pac file with the configuration of > squid in it, then setup the web browser to grab the proxy.pac file. If > you have to make any changes in the future you just have to change the > proxy.pac file and all the web browsers will get the change. > > To solve your problem, is a web server running on the squid server? I > don't think this is possible since linux should complain about 2 > services on 1 port. > > Is IE configured to not look at the proxy for locate addresses? > > If you got a firewall, do you allow port 80 out? The server is RedHAt 7.1. I am running the local www domain on port 80. It is using Iptables, but allows some basics, including port 80. On the surface it looks like I can't run squid on 80, since my initial post describes my woes. As mentioned, if I move squid back to port 3128, and leave the website on port 80, everything works great. The workstations (lots), have been hard set to run on 10.100.100.130:80. On IE, I could just do a regedit in my login script, but many have Netscape. So I'm guessing everyone agrees, I have no choice but to change the port on each workstation, or at least set each one to auto proxy??? From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sun Mar 24 16:17:03 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] language instruction programs In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D6A3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D6A3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1017009022.7356.98.camel@yafa> > I'm specifically looking for Spanish, and German would be nice too. I would look for German LUG's and ask them. You might even be able to get tips from the KDE people since many of them seem to be German. IIRC KDE is incorporated in .de Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Mar 24 16:34:00 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <35743.204.220.56.6.1017008101.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: You CAN run squid on port 80! You just can't run both squid AND your web server on port 80. Will squid do redirection? Could you get it to redirect queries intended for your local web server to another port and then run your webserver on that other port? OR you could assign another IP address to your webserver on the same interface. On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us wrote: > The server is RedHAt 7.1. I am running the local www domain on port 80. It > is using Iptables, but allows some basics, including port 80. On the > surface it looks like I can't run squid on 80, since my initial post > describes my woes. As mentioned, if I move squid back to port 3128, and > leave the website on port 80, everything works great. The workstations > (lots), have been hard set to run on 10.100.100.130:80. On IE, I could just > do a regedit in my login script, but many have Netscape. So I'm guessing > everyone agrees, I have no choice but to change the port on each > workstation, or at least set each one to auto proxy??? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 24 16:45:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40711.204.220.56.6.1017009811.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > You CAN run squid on port 80! You just can't run both squid AND your > web server on port 80. Will squid do redirection? Could you get it to > redirect queries intended for your local web server to another port and > then run your webserver on that other port? > OR > you could assign another IP address to your > webserver on the same interface. This is the kind of thing I was hoping for. Would it work just to add a second nic, and NAT the public IP for the web site to the new private IP,and of course edit httpd.conf to bind to the new address? Or can you add a second IP to a single nic, and do the rest mentioned? From tompoe at renonevada.net Sun Mar 24 16:54:01 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] language instruction programs In-Reply-To: <1017009022.7356.98.camel@yafa> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D6A3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <1017009022.7356.98.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <02032414542200.20279@aether> Hi: Here's a nice site to ask about this: http://www.seul.org/edu/ hth Tom On Sunday 24 March 2002 14:30, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > > > > I'm specifically looking for Spanish, and German would be nice too. > > > > I would look for German LUG's and ask them. You might even be able to > get tips from the KDE people since many of them seem to be German. IIRC > KDE is incorporated in .de > > Samir M. Nassar > 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Sun Mar 24 17:09:00 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Log analysis In-Reply-To: <20020324155745.C5454@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:57:50PM -0600 References: <20020322115444.P6365@real-time.com> <20020324155745.C5454@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020324170848.C22223@sherohman.org> On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:57:50PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:54:44AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Make sure logcheck is installed, by default it runs through the logs once a day > > and emails you a report. It's very chatty. At Real Time we have had to turn down > > the chattiness. > > the thing I hate about logcheck is that in order to configure it, you need > to be a perl coder, Nah, you just have to grok regular expressions. If you're good with grep, that's more than sufficient. > and spend at least an hour figuring out the organization > of the scripts (give you a hint, the files in /etc/log.d/conf don't actually > configure much. you have to edit the scripts themselves, in > /etc/log.d/scripts) You sure you're thinking of logcheck? I haven't seen the upstream version, but Debian's logcheck consists of logtail (a compiled binary) and logcheck.sh (a shell script which uses egrep to do the actual checking). Only one script (which I've never needed to modify) and no perl at all. Configuration is all in /etc/logcheck and consists of logcheck.conf (which defines who reports should be mailed to) and some lists of regexes that should be ignored or flagged as attacks. (Anything that doesn't match any of the regex lists gets flagged as 'unusual system activity'.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Mar 24 17:15:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> References: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> Message-ID: <46338.204.220.56.6.1017011636.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > I assume IE was the web browser? > > What's best is to setup a proxy.pac file with the configuration of > squid in it, then setup the web browser to grab the proxy.pac file. If > you have to make any changes in the future you just have to change the > proxy.pac file and all the web browsers will get the change. > > To solve your problem, is a web server running on the squid server? I > don't think this is possible since linux should complain about 2 > services on 1 port. > > Is IE configured to not look at the proxy for locate addresses? > > If you got a firewall, do you allow port 80 out? Bob: Are you saying I could use a proxy.pac to override what is already there? Is it as simple as putting a proxy.pac together, and then requesting it via a url? If so, what whould it look like if I wanted to send everyone to the same IP as before, but change the port to 3128? > > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key > fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 22:00:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <35743.204.220.56.6.1017008101.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 04:15:01PM -0600 References: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> <35743.204.220.56.6.1017008101.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020324220014.G17396@real-time.com> Quoting admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > The server is RedHAt 7.1. I am running the local www domain on port 80. It > is using Iptables, but allows some basics, including port 80. On the > surface it looks like I can't run squid on 80, since my initial post > describes my woes. As mentioned, if I move squid back to port 3128, and > leave the website on port 80, everything works great. The workstations > (lots), have been hard set to run on 10.100.100.130:80. On IE, I could just > do a regedit in my login script, but many have Netscape. So I'm guessing > everyone agrees, I have no choice but to change the port on each > workstation, or at least set each one to auto proxy??? Check your iptables config, I bet you'll see some logging about port 3128. If you run the web server on port 80, you'll not be able to run the proxy on port 80. Since I think IE sucks, I don't know how to config it to use the .pac file, but under mozilla you can go to Edit->Preference->Advanced->Proxies and choose automatic proxy configuration URL, just put a file like this on your web server and plug the url into the automatic proxy configuration. function FindProxyForURL(url, host) { return "PROXY 10.100.100.130:3128"; } Bit the bullet and change your IE browsers to look here as well. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 22:02:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <40711.204.220.56.6.1017009811.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 04:43:31PM -0600 References: <40711.204.220.56.6.1017009811.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020324220216.H17396@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > > You CAN run squid on port 80! You just can't run both squid AND your > > web server on port 80. Will squid do redirection? Could you get it to > > redirect queries intended for your local web server to another port and > > then run your webserver on that other port? > > OR > > you could assign another IP address to your > > webserver on the same interface. > > > This is the kind of thing I was hoping for. Would it work just to add a > second nic, and NAT the public IP for the web site to the new private > IP,and of course edit httpd.conf to bind to the new address? Or can you add > a second IP to a single nic, and do the rest mentioned? I'd not recommend this solution, but if you must do it. Make the web server bind to one interface and port, look at the BindAddress and Listen directives of apache (www.apache.org). Make squid bind to the internal ip address and port 80. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 24 22:04:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <46338.204.220.56.6.1017011636.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:13:56PM -0600 References: <20020324160424.Z17393@real-time.com> <46338.204.220.56.6.1017011636.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020324220339.I17396@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > Bob: > > Are you saying I could use a proxy.pac to override what is already there? > Is it as simple as putting a proxy.pac together, and then requesting it via > a url? > > If so, what whould it look like if I wanted to send everyone to the same IP > as before, but change the port to 3128? See my previous post for a proxy.pac example. I do not know enough about IE to tell you how this will work, but under mozilla you have to manually change the proxy configuration. As detailed in my previous post. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dave at rightwithgod.org Sun Mar 24 22:41:01 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The best setup for Linux Gaming? Message-ID: <3C9EAA7E.7030303@rightwithgod.org> Hi everyone, I have an ATI TV card up and running on my Linux box and I am currently running my Playstation (1) through the line in with pretty good results. I have a few short questions though: a. Do you guys think I can do better than the ATI TV Card (ATI TV VE) and if so what do you suggest? Perhaps a card with a component or S-VHS input for a Playstation 2? b. I can't seem to take a screenshot with the Gimp of either my TV Picture, or my DVD Video picture. They both use Xv for the display I believe. P.S. I finally managed to get Truetype fonts working and changed every program on my system to use them, antialiased even (I think ;-) anyways thanks for the help. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Mar 25 00:45:01 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: <40711.204.220.56.6.1017009811.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <40711.204.220.56.6.1017009811.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: "Raymond Norton" writes: > > You CAN run squid on port 80! You just can't run both squid AND your > > web server on port 80. Will squid do redirection? Could you get it to > > redirect queries intended for your local web server to another port and > > then run your webserver on that other port? > > OR > > you could assign another IP address to your > > webserver on the same interface. > > This is the kind of thing I was hoping for. Would it work just to add a > second nic, and NAT the public IP for the web site to the new private > IP,and of course edit httpd.conf to bind to the new address? Or can you add > a second IP to a single nic, and do the rest mentioned? You can alias a second IP address to the same physical port (this only makes sense if you are in fact carrying both networks on the same LAN segment). I do this at home, since my LAN carries both the 10. private internal net and the 63.224.10.72-79 public IP net. The workstations don't listen to the public net, the public servers listen to both through one NIC. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Mon Mar 25 08:06:01 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] enhanced cd ? Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A457@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I just bought a copy of David Gray's White Ladder CD (music) and went to play it in my RH machine. When I loaded it, RH automounted it and displayed the directory which had a file in extention of .exe. Nowhere on the CD could I find the tracks and there was no way that I found to play it. I was able to play it on my winblow ME machine but not on my win2000. I suspect that this has something to do with copy protecting the cd. Anyone know of a work around to play this on RH? Thanks John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From dante at plethora.net Mon Mar 25 08:37:01 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] good advice could sve me hours of work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I seem to recall Apache having proxy capabilities. Why not just use that? -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Mar 25 10:04:01 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] enhanced cd ? In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A457@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: Heya, I had a similar problem with a different album recently on a laptop. When I put the CD in, automount would mount it and I couldn't play the CD. If I unmounted the CD it would be ejected. If the CD is in the machine when it is booted then automount wouldn't mount the CD and I could listen to the audio. I'd imagine that you could disable automount, but short of removing it, I'm not sure how you would go about doing that. Jeff On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Miller, John wrote: > I just bought a copy of David Gray's White Ladder CD (music) and went > to play it in my RH machine. When I loaded it, RH automounted it and > displayed the directory which had a file in extention of .exe. > Nowhere on the CD could I find the tracks and there was no way that I > found to play it. I was able to play it on my winblow ME machine but > not on my win2000. I suspect that this has something to do with copy > protecting the cd. > > Anyone know of a work around to play this on RH? > > Thanks > > John Miller > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > Mail Stop: T23 > MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tomc at kendeco.com Mon Mar 25 10:55:03 2002 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FlowPoint 144 iDSL router Message-ID: I have a FlowPoint 144 iDSL router that is looking for a good home. Model number 134 P/N 905-00411-01. It has a 4 port ethernet hub on the back. Anyway, no longer need it since I'm not longer doing iDSL. Anyone is interested email me off list. -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 IS Manager E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Mar 25 11:05:03 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] )(()*&^(*&67 D-link router References: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <3C9F58D6.7050309@cruiskeen.com> Well - Just as a follow up - Some time over the weekend this silly box started blowing its brains out completely. The wireless functions stopped working - even weirder - the wireless configuration options disappeared from the menus. I've read this complaint from other people. So I gave up - it had a LOT of functionality and was really cheap -but it appears that at least the one I had was a POS. I boxed it up, it's going back to Amazon today. Steve Hanson wrote: > Okay - anybody have any light to shed on this? > > I just bought a DI-713p D-link wireless gateway, thinking it'd make my > life easier :-). > > Some of it works fine. I can hook its built-in switch to my machines > and I can connect to it from my wireless cards just fine. > > But I can't get an IP address from my ISP. My DSL service is pretty > straightforward - you plug a machine into the DSL modem and set it up > for DHCP and in general it's worked just fine. Until I put in this box. > It never gets a DHCP address. It tries, but it seems to keep on asking > for an address that my ISP won't give it - the log looks like this: > > WAN Type: Dynamic IP Address (2.57 build 3a) > Display time: Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:41 PM CST > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:38:39 PM CST 192.168.0.2 login successful > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:discover() > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:nak > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:discover() > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:nak > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:discover() > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:nak > > Eventually it seems to give up on logging, although the DHCP chatter > seems to go on forever. > > I've sent in a request to D-Link support, but past experience leads me > to believe that they will read me the couple of pages in the lousy > manual that apply, and then tell me there must be somethign wrong with > my computer. > > Anyway, I'm about ready to box it up and send it back to Amazon. > > And yes, it has the latest firmware revision. I even tried some older > ones. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 25 13:19:23 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help Message-ID: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> I've got a file containing the text: blah grah and I want to replace those two lines with the string: broohaha I've tried using: perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/' file I've also tried: perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/s' file perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/m' file perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/ms' file all with no success. What am I doing wrong? How do I replace a string that spans multiple lines? Thanks, - Jared From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 25 14:12:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help In-Reply-To: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> References: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020325195705.GH3822@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > I've got a file containing the text: > blah > grah > > and I want to replace those two lines with the string: > broohaha #--- BEGIN SED SCRIPT /blah/,/grah/ c\ bruhaha #--- END SED SCRIPT sed -f script.sed filetochange > newfile -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help In-Reply-To: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com>; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600 References: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020325141527.A12493@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > I've got a file containing the text: > blah > grah > > and I want to replace those two lines with the string: > broohaha > > I've tried using: > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/' file > > I've also tried: > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/s' file > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/m' file > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/ms' file > > all with no success. What am I doing wrong? How do I replace a string that > spans multiple lines? > I may be wrong, but since -p does a 'while (<>) {...}' around your -e code, the angle operator "<>" is readline()-ing newline-terminated lines from the file, so /\n.+/ will never match. How about perl -pi -e 'BEGIN{undef $/} s/blah\ngrah\n/broohaha/' file or such? Could be a real dog on a big file though. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Mar 25 14:17:16 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help In-Reply-To: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> References: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020325141613.A4608@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > I've got a file containing the text: > blah > grah > > and I want to replace those two lines with the string: > broohaha > > I've tried using: > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/' file > > I've also tried: > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/s' file > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/m' file > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/ms' file > > all with no success. What am I doing wrong? How do I replace a string that > spans multiple lines? I don't think you can do multi-line regexps with a one-liner call of perl. The one-liner way of calling perl reads in your file line by line and acts on it, so its not able to match multi-line regexps. Look at the perlrun man page (and in particular the -e and -i options). So I think you'll have to turn this into a simple perl script to get it work or use sed. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Mar 25 14:24:00 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys Message-ID: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Well, I've been pulling my hair out all morning (for those of you that know me, that's no trivial task) trying to use the 'Windows' keys on my keyboard as metakeys. I'm using RedHat 7.2 with Xfree 4.1, IIRC. I've tried with multiple terminal emulations (e.g. xterm, rxterm-color, vt100, rxvt) and multiple terms (xterm, rxvt, etc), with no luck at all. I've tried getting it to just work in emacs and xemacs with no luck either. What I've done: 1) Used 'xev' to get the keycodes for my windows keys (turned out to be 115 for the left key and 116 for the right. 2) Created a .keymaps file containing keycode 115 = Meta_L keycode 116 = Meta_R 3) loaded the keymaps with 'xmodmap .keymaps' 4) Checked to make sure the maps got set (xmodmap -pk), they are: 115 0xffe7 (Meta_L) 116 0xffe8 (Meta_R) After doing the above, metakeys still don't work. Anyone have metakeys working in XFree86 at all? Any help/info/shots-in-the-dark greatly appreciated. Thanks, Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 25 14:26:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help Message-ID: It is the -p that does it (as John said). -i makes a backup, -e says what follows is code. You can do it in one line, it would just have to be a long line. :-) The 'sed' instructions look easier to me... >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 03/25/02 02:16PM >>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: I don't think you can do multi-line regexps with a one-liner call of perl. The one-liner way of calling perl reads in your file line by line and acts on it, so its not able to match multi-line regexps. Look at the perlrun man page (and in particular the -e and -i options). So I think you'll have to turn this into a simple perl script to get it work or use sed. From feist at borg.umn.edu Mon Mar 25 14:29:01 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] )(()*&^(*&67 D-link router In-Reply-To: <3C9F58D6.7050309@cruiskeen.com>; from shanson@cruiskeen.com on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:05:26AM -0600 References: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> <3C9F58D6.7050309@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <20020325142840.A3064@borg.umn.edu> You might want to try the SMC barricade, I've bought about 5 of them for various people and they work pretty good. Chris On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:05:26AM -0600, Steve Hanson wrote: > Well - > Just as a follow up - > Some time over the weekend this silly box started blowing its brains out > completely. The wireless functions stopped working - even weirder - the > wireless configuration options disappeared from the menus. I've read > this complaint from other people. > > So I gave up - it had a LOT of functionality and was really cheap -but > it appears that at least the one I had was a POS. I boxed it up, it's > going back to Amazon today. > > > > Steve Hanson wrote: > > Okay - anybody have any light to shed on this? > > > > I just bought a DI-713p D-link wireless gateway, thinking it'd make my > > life easier :-). > > > > Some of it works fine. I can hook its built-in switch to my machines > > and I can connect to it from my wireless cards just fine. > > > > But I can't get an IP address from my ISP. My DSL service is pretty > > straightforward - you plug a machine into the DSL modem and set it up > > for DHCP and in general it's worked just fine. Until I put in this box. > > It never gets a DHCP address. It tries, but it seems to keep on asking > > for an address that my ISP won't give it - the log looks like this: > > > > WAN Type: Dynamic IP Address (2.57 build 3a) > > Display time: Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:41 PM CST > > > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:38:39 PM CST 192.168.0.2 login successful > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:discover() > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:nak > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:discover() > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:nak > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:discover() > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) > > Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:nak > > > > Eventually it seems to give up on logging, although the DHCP chatter > > seems to go on forever. > > > > I've sent in a request to D-Link support, but past experience leads me > > to believe that they will read me the couple of pages in the lousy > > manual that apply, and then tell me there must be somethign wrong with > > my computer. > > > > Anyway, I'm about ready to box it up and send it back to Amazon. > > > > And yes, it has the latest firmware revision. I even tried some older > > ones. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 25 14:31:02 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help In-Reply-To: <20020325141613.A4608@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20020325141613.A4608@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <055df5531201932FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Oof. Ok, maybe I should give my *real* case. I have some directories with a bunch of Java files that contain this comment: /** * @version 1.0 * @author */ I want to remove this comment from all of the files. Thoughts? - Jared On Monday 25 March 2002 02:16 pm, you wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > > I've got a file containing the text: > > blah > > grah > > > > and I want to replace those two lines with the string: > > broohaha > > > > I've tried using: > > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/' file > > > > I've also tried: > > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/s' file > > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/m' file > > perl -pi -e 's/blah\ngrah/broohaha/ms' file > > > > all with no success. What am I doing wrong? How do I replace a string > > that spans multiple lines? > > I don't think you can do multi-line regexps with a one-liner call > of perl. The one-liner way of calling perl reads in your file > line by line and acts on it, so its not able to match multi-line > regexps. Look at the perlrun man page (and in particular the -e > and -i options). So I think you'll have to turn this into a simple perl > script to get it work or use sed. From esper at sherohman.org Mon Mar 25 14:39:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys In-Reply-To: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:24:29PM -0600 References: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020325143838.B30888@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:24:29PM -0600, Gabe Turner wrote: > After doing the above, metakeys still don't work. Anyone have metakeys > working in XFree86 at all? Any help/info/shots-in-the-dark greatly > appreciated. I do, but my methods are such that I don't know whether they'll do you any good... I'm using the Win95 keys in WindowMaker on Debian. The left Windows key is recognized as being Mod4 and functions normally as a meta. The right Windows key is recognized as Multi_key (and it was a real pain trying to get it to work until I realized that this meant "a key named multi" rather than "multiple keys have been pressed"). The menu key is, quite sensibly, acknowledged as "Menu". But if you're messing with xmodmap by hand in Red Hat, I doubt that this does much more than confirm for you that, yes, the Win95 keys can be made to work under Linux. (Oh, and also, wmaker has trouble recording key combinations involving them when NumLock is on. Once it's set, though, it's recognized with or without NumLock.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Mar 25 14:47:01 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl multi-line regexp replacement help In-Reply-To: <055df5531201932FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com>; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:33:02PM -0600 References: <03c3f2416191932FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20020325141613.A4608@gordo.space.umn.edu> <055df5531201932FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020325144640.A13094@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:33:02PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > Oof. > > Ok, maybe I should give my *real* case. I have some directories with a bunch > of Java files that contain this comment: > /** > * @version 1.0 > * @author > */ > > I want to remove this comment from all of the files. Thoughts? > [untested] perl -pi.bak -e 'BEGIN{undef$/}s[/**\s+*\s+\@version\s+1.0\s+*\s+\@author\s+*/][]g' combine it with find and xargs, and yer golden. I think. From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Mar 25 14:55:01 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] )(()*&^(*&67 D-link router References: <3C9CF9D7.6000708@cruiskeen.com> <3C9F58D6.7050309@cruiskeen.com> <20020325142840.A3064@borg.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C9F8EBC.6080308@cruiskeen.com> The SMC barricade is essentially the same product but in a different case. Though of course there are probably some firmware differences. I started to think about trying to jam the SMC firmware on there, but I've heard that although you can do that, D-link has fixed it so you then can't go back. Sigh. Anyway, its on the way back and as I said, I have decided to roll my own. Chris Feist wrote: > You might want to try the SMC barricade, I've bought about 5 of them for > various people and they work pretty good. > > Chris > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:05:26AM -0600, Steve Hanson wrote: > >>Well - >>Just as a follow up - >>Some time over the weekend this silly box started blowing its brains out >>completely. The wireless functions stopped working - even weirder - the >>wireless configuration options disappeared from the menus. I've read >>this complaint from other people. >> >>So I gave up - it had a LOT of functionality and was really cheap -but >>it appears that at least the one I had was a POS. I boxed it up, it's >>going back to Amazon today. >> >> >> >>Steve Hanson wrote: >> >>>Okay - anybody have any light to shed on this? >>> >>>I just bought a DI-713p D-link wireless gateway, thinking it'd make my >>>life easier :-). >>> >>>Some of it works fine. I can hook its built-in switch to my machines >>>and I can connect to it from my wireless cards just fine. >>> >>>But I can't get an IP address from my ISP. My DSL service is pretty >>>straightforward - you plug a machine into the DSL modem and set it up >>>for DHCP and in general it's worked just fine. Until I put in this box. >>>It never gets a DHCP address. It tries, but it seems to keep on asking >>>for an address that my ISP won't give it - the log looks like this: >>> >>>WAN Type: Dynamic IP Address (2.57 build 3a) >>>Display time: Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:41 PM CST >>> >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:38:39 PM CST 192.168.0.2 login successful >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:discover() >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:28 PM CST DHCP:nak >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:discover() >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:32 PM CST DHCP:nak >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:discover() >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:offer(64.33.170.129) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:request(64.33.194.246) >>>Sat 23 Mar 2002 03:39:35 PM CST DHCP:nak >>> >>>Eventually it seems to give up on logging, although the DHCP chatter >>>seems to go on forever. >>> >>>I've sent in a request to D-Link support, but past experience leads me >>>to believe that they will read me the couple of pages in the lousy >>>manual that apply, and then tell me there must be somethign wrong with >>>my computer. >>> >>>Anyway, I'm about ready to box it up and send it back to Amazon. >>> >>>And yes, it has the latest firmware revision. I even tried some older >>>ones. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>>Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org >>>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Mar 25 15:11:02 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys In-Reply-To: <20020325143838.B30888@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:38:38PM -0600 References: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20020325143838.B30888@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020325151026.C30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:38:38PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > After doing the above, metakeys still don't work. Anyone have metakeys > > working in XFree86 at all? Any help/info/shots-in-the-dark greatly > > appreciated. > > I do, but my methods are such that I don't know whether they'll do > you any good... > > I'm using the Win95 keys in WindowMaker on Debian. The left Windows > key is recognized as being Mod4 and functions normally as a meta. > The right Windows key is recognized as Multi_key (and it was a real > pain trying to get it to work until I realized that this meant "a key > named multi" rather than "multiple keys have been pressed"). The > menu key is, quite sensibly, acknowledged as "Menu". Actually, this was more helpful than you think. It turns out that my left Windows key _does_ have the 'mod4' modifer name. I got it working for X applications doing the following: 1) xmodmap -e "add mod4 = Meta_L" The above, for whatever reason, bound _both_ Meta_L and Alt_L to mod4, so I had to make a slight adjustment: 2) xmodmap -e "remove mod4 = Alt_L" So, left meta works in X apps, but I still can't get it to work in a term. For example, I can fire up emacs in X-mode (the default) and use M-% to initiate a query replace, but if I fire up emacs-nox (yes in an xterm started _after_ I modified the keymaps), it still doesn't work. Hopefully, more replies will get me to the metakey Utopia I so desire :) Thanks! Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 25 16:12:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys In-Reply-To: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:24:29PM -0600 References: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020325161208.Y28232@real-time.com> Quoting Gabe Turner (gabe@msi.umn.edu): > What I've done: > > 1) Used 'xev' to get the keycodes for my windows keys (turned out to be > 115 for the left key and 116 for the right. I use xkeymap, click the key I want to change, click the key I want it to be, click save. Viola, done. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 25 19:22:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble FTPing Mandrake 8.2 images from Gladiator In-Reply-To: <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux>; from jspinti@dartdist.com on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 12:20:36PM -0600 References: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux> Message-ID: <20020325192232.M28232@real-time.com> > I had similar problems. All the files downloaded, but disk 1 locks up > any computer that I put it in. To get around that, I did an NFS > install, but the kernel, kdebase and some other files were corrupt. > > Bob, are the iso's corrupt? I know a couple of times the ftp hung so bad (mandrake issue) I got a tcp timeout and booted, but I just used ncftp restart option, but maybe that doesn't work all that well. I'm re-downloading (s-l-o-w-l-y) the iso images. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Mar 25 21:59:00 2002 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> <20020323214840.A13974@borg.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C9FF165.8EF777EE@mn.uswest.net> Chris Feist wrote: > On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 09:00:26PM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from > > grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable > > modem? > > Just make sure that your dhcp server only listens/responds to the interface > that is not connected to your cable modem. > > Assuming that your cable modem is on eth0 and your network is on eth1 you would > run dhcpd like this: 'dhcpd eth1'. This may differ depending on what dhcp > server you are running. Actually, it is the dhcp client (in this case pump) that I am worried about. I want it to look to the cable modem on eth0 for the DHCP server rather than eth1 which is the internal network where a second DHCP server resides for my laptop and other sundry boxes. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Mar 25 23:41:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Trouble FTPing Mandrake 8.2 images from Gladiator In-Reply-To: <20020325192232.M28232@real-time.com> References: <0b1062644171832FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <1016994036.15796.3.camel@Dart-83_linux> <20020325192232.M28232@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020326054118.GE11906@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020325 19:24]: > I'm re-downloading (s-l-o-w-l-y) the iso images. Does ftp.software.umn.edu have them? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 26 02:13:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! Message-ID: <3CA02DD1.1080008@haxxed.mine.nu> Hey anyone want a big chunky LaserJet Plus? It works, it just can't print more than a quarter page of graphics because of its 512k of RAM, making it a glorified ASCII printer for the most part. ;P It shares the same print engine with the original apple LaserWriter/LW Plus so would be good for spare parts if you're keeping one of those running. Otherwise I'm going to dumpster it. I have a few extra paper trays and toner carts for it too, so if you just want those I can hang on to those and dump the rest. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 08:17:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: <3CA02DD1.1080008@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:14:09AM -0600 References: <3CA02DD1.1080008@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20020326081723.P14572@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (seg@haxxed.mine.nu): > Hey anyone want a big chunky LaserJet Plus? It works, it just can't > print more than a quarter page of graphics because of its 512k of RAM, > making it a glorified ASCII printer for the most part. ;P I have one of these, we have dubbed it the "inmovable object". I believe it eminates its own gravitational force. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Mar 26 08:22:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The best setup for Linux Gaming? In-Reply-To: <3C9EAA7E.7030303@rightwithgod.org> References: <3C9EAA7E.7030303@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <20020326142225.GB29026@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:41:34PM -0600, Dave Erickson wrote: > Hi everyone, I have an ATI TV card up and running on my Linux box and I > am currently running my Playstation (1) through the line in with pretty > good results. > > I have a few short questions though: > > a. Do you guys think I can do better than the ATI TV Card (ATI TV VE) > and if so what do you suggest? Perhaps a card with a component or S-VHS > input for a Playstation 2? Unknown, I use WinTV cards (bt848/878 based) that have svideo, standard rca, and coax inputs, using something like xawtv you can switch between the inputs or channels. It also supports screen capture (regardless of the fact that you're using an overlay). They work great in Linux. > b. I can't seem to take a screenshot with the Gimp of either my TV > Picture, or my DVD Video picture. They both use Xv for the display I > believe. See above. > -- > Dave Erickson -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Mar 26 08:52:05 2002 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs Message-ID: Perry, DHCP requests are broadcasts that only go out on the interface that requires DHCP service. If eth0 requires DHCP configuration, but eth1 does not, then DHCP requests will only go out on eth0. IOW, eth0 will only talk to the cable modem for DHCP and eth1 will only talk to your internal DHCP server (if not statically configured). UNLESS you have dhcp forwarding configured somewhere, which you shouldn't. Hope that helps, Bruce Broecker Network Engineer The Toro Company bruce.broecker@toro.com >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 03/26/02 08:24AM >>> Message: 9 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:56:21 -0600 From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DHCP Question Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Chris Feist wrote: > On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 09:00:26PM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > My question is, what would prevent my firewall box from > > grabbing an IP address from my internal DHCP server versus the cable > > modem? > > Just make sure that your dhcp server only listens/responds to the interface > that is not connected to your cable modem. > > Assuming that your cable modem is on eth0 and your network is on eth1 you would > run dhcpd like this: 'dhcpd eth1'. This may differ depending on what dhcp > server you are running. Actually, it is the dhcp client (in this case pump) that I am worried about. I want it to look to the cable modem on eth0 for the DHCP server rather than eth1 which is the internal network where a second DHCP server resides for my laptop and other sundry boxes. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/964d51a1/attachment.html From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Mar 26 09:04:11 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: <20020326081723.P14572@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:17:23AM -0600 References: <3CA02DD1.1080008@haxxed.mine.nu> <20020326081723.P14572@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020326085901.A32724@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:17:23AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Callum Lerwick (seg@haxxed.mine.nu): > > Hey anyone want a big chunky LaserJet Plus? It works, it just can't > > print more than a quarter page of graphics because of its 512k of RAM, > > making it a glorified ASCII printer for the most part. ;P > > I have one of these, we have dubbed it the "inmovable object". I believe it > eminates its own gravitational force. Technically, every object exerts a gravitational force :) These printers are giant though. IIRC, you can get them to do full-page non-plain-text printing by using font cartridges. -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Mar 26 09:06:00 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys In-Reply-To: <20020325161208.Y28232@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:12:08PM -0600 References: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20020325161208.Y28232@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020326090219.B32724@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Just an update on the Metakey situation: I got them working! If I had looked more closely at the output of 'xmodmap -pk', I would have seen that, by default, the left Alt key doubles and the left Meta key and the right Alt key doubles as the right Meta key. Once I removed the Meta mappings for the Alts, I then assigned them to the Windows keys and now all is well. For those interested, I now feed xmodmap a file containing: keycode 64 = Alt_L keycode 113 = Alt_R keycode 115 = Meta_L keycode 116 = Meta_R Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 09:18:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7641E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You still have this? I'll take it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.mine.nu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! > > > Hey anyone want a big chunky LaserJet Plus? It works, it just can't > print more than a quarter page of graphics because of its > 512k of RAM, > making it a glorified ASCII printer for the most part. ;P > > It shares the same print engine with the original apple > LaserWriter/LW > Plus so would be good for spare parts if you're keeping one of those > running. > > Otherwise I'm going to dumpster it. I have a few extra paper > trays and > toner carts for it too, so if you just want those I can hang > on to those > and dump the rest. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Mar 26 09:20:03 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Using 'Windows' keys as metakeys In-Reply-To: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20020325142429.B30541@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020326151844.GG11906@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [020325 14:25]: > Well, I've been pulling my hair out all morning (for those of you that > know me, that's no trivial task) trying to use the 'Windows' keys on my > keyboard as metakeys. Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 09:23:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde3 rocks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76420@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I made the switch to KDE3. So far, I haven't had any problems. 2.2.2 felt sluggish on my machine sometimes, but kde3 is fast in every respect. Text looks much better. And konqueror works with sites that had "issues" before (epinions.com, paytrust.com, etc.). Konqueror is *way* faster too. If you haven't made the switch yet, I suggest doing so. I'm running the latest CVS version, not RC3, but I guess RC3 is just as good. I'm running Gentoo, so I followed the instructions at http://www.gentoo.org/~danarmak/kde3-pre.html. Jay From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 26 09:27:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: <20020326085901.A32724@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <3CA02DD1.1080008@haxxed.mine.nu> <20020326081723.P14572@real-time.com> <20020326085901.A32724@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020326152441.GJ3822@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:59:01AM -0600, Gabe Turner wrote: > > I have one of these, we have dubbed it the "inmovable object". I believe it > > eminates its own gravitational force. > > Technically, every object exerts a gravitational force :) Hmm... anyone invisioning the Imperial government commissioning Hewlet Packard to make a few Interdictor class printers? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/b70c285d/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 09:33:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitoring tools Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76421@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I know this topic has come up in the past, but it's been awhile.... So... I'm looking for a network monitoring tool that has a nice web interface (preferably written in PHP), logs to a database, and can generate nice pretty uptime reports for pointy haired manager types. I've used Netsaint in the past, but progress on it is slow, it doesn't log anything to a db, and administration of it is a pain in the ass. The reason I'm looking for DB logging is so I can generate my own custom reports easily, and for ease of administration. Another thing that would be cool is a Intermapper (http://www.dartware.com, Mac only) clone for Linux/BSD. Intermapper rocks, but they charge by the number of devices monitored for their license, and I have a lot more stuff to monitor than my current license can handle. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 09:34:37 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76422@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Doh, didn't mean to reply to the list. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:18 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! > > > You still have this? I'll take it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.mine.nu] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:14 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! > > > > > > Hey anyone want a big chunky LaserJet Plus? It works, it just can't > > print more than a quarter page of graphics because of its > > 512k of RAM, > > making it a glorified ASCII printer for the most part. ;P > > > > It shares the same print engine with the original apple > > LaserWriter/LW > > Plus so would be good for spare parts if you're keeping one > of those > > running. > > > > Otherwise I'm going to dumpster it. I have a few extra paper > > trays and > > toner carts for it too, so if you just want those I can hang > > on to those > > and dump the rest. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 09:58:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde3 rocks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76420@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 09:22:43AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76420@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020326095801.D4751@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > If you haven't made the switch yet, I suggest doing so. I'm running the > latest CVS version, not RC3, but I guess RC3 is just as good. I'm running > Gentoo, so I followed the instructions at > http://www.gentoo.org/~danarmak/kde3-pre.html. Does KDE3 have truetype font support? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 10:02:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitoring tools In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76421@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 09:32:17AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76421@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020326100148.E4751@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > I'm looking for a network monitoring tool that has a nice web interface > (preferably written in PHP), logs to a database, and can generate nice > pretty uptime reports for pointy haired manager types. I've used Netsaint > in the past, but progress on it is slow, it doesn't log anything to a db, > and administration of it is a pain in the ass. The reason I'm looking for > DB logging is so I can generate my own custom reports easily, and for ease > of administration. Hmm, we must use different version of netsaint, it's pretty easy to admin, IMHO. The problem we have with it, like mrtg, it doesn't scale. And yes, the history and trend reporting is terrible (non-existent). I like opennms. It's a true NMS, logs to a DB (postgres by default), has lots of canned reports, and has an awesome report tool, which is getting close to crystal report writter. It's 100% Java, take more horse power to run, more time to setup. But like most flexible things it more complicated then netsaint. We have only run this on our development network, so I cannot comment on how it performs in a "real world" setup. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 10:04:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.2 deux II Message-ID: <20020326100321.F4751@real-time.com> Ok, re-download of Mandrake 8.2 is complete. I double checked the md5sums and they all check out. $ cat Mandrake82-md5sums cda56ed1c9e9ace3de44eba1c36069a7 Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso 6ede8c75fec92e10636b6c0bf5ee9860 Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso 0b4921ddb67425687a5e053ff288dcba Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586.iso $ md5sum Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso cda56ed1c9e9ace3de44eba1c36069a7 Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso $ md5sum Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso 6ede8c75fec92e10636b6c0bf5ee9860 Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso $ md5sum Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586.iso 0b4921ddb67425687a5e053ff288dcba Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586.iso I also put the sums file online as well. Mandrake82-md5sums Let me know if these work. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 10:09:03 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde3 rocks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76429@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Does KDE3 have truetype font support? I saw it was using the freetype2 libs while it was compiling. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Mar 26 10:11:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitoring tools Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7642A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> My real problem with netsaint is that it takes a lot of resources to run. We'd have to set up multiple boxes to be able to monitor all of the stuff we need to monitor. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network monitoring tools > Importance: High > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > I'm looking for a network monitoring tool that has a nice > web interface > > (preferably written in PHP), logs to a database, and can > generate nice > > pretty uptime reports for pointy haired manager types. > I've used Netsaint > > in the past, but progress on it is slow, it doesn't log > anything to a db, > > and administration of it is a pain in the ass. The reason > I'm looking for > > DB logging is so I can generate my own custom reports > easily, and for ease > > of administration. > > Hmm, we must use different version of netsaint, it's pretty > easy to admin, > IMHO. The problem we have with it, like mrtg, it doesn't > scale. And yes, the > history and trend reporting is terrible (non-existent). > > I like opennms. It's a true NMS, logs to a DB (postgres by > default), has lots of > canned reports, and has an awesome report tool, which is > getting close to > crystal report writter. > > It's 100% Java, take more horse power to run, more time to > setup. But like most > flexible things it more complicated then netsaint. > > We have only run this on our development network, so I cannot > comment on how it > performs in a "real world" setup. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 26 10:23:34 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: <20020326152441.GJ3822@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Hmm... anyone invisioning the Imperial government commissioning Hewlet > Packard to make a few Interdictor class printers? hmmm, the idea has merit, but i would rather have an interdiction field that i can control -munir From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Mar 26 10:41:00 2002 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs Message-ID: My sincere apologies to the TCLUG list. Since the upgrade to our Groupwise client (with the addition of HTML support), I routinely forget to turn that off. I will endeavour to do better. I'm awaiting an upgrade to GW 6, at which point I will be able to use my client of choice. Hopefully, this should be plain text, else I will return to my lurker status. Bruce Broecker Network Engineer The Toro Company bruce.broecker@toro.com >>> Ben Lutgens 03/26/02 09:10AM >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:42:03AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > Perry, > > DHCP requests are broadcasts that only go out on the interface that > requires DHCP service. If eth0 requires DHCP configuration, but eth1 does > not, then DHCP requests will only go out on eth0. IOW, eth0 will only talk > to the cable modem for DHCP and eth1 will only talk to your internal DHCP > server (if not statically configured). > Hi, please refrain from posting HTML mails to the LUG mailing lists. There's lots of people who do not have clients that understand html and lots of people find it rude. Also, you'll find that it does little except attract flames and random quotes about microsofts RFC NON-Compliance :-) Have a nice day. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 26 10:46:13 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: References: <20020326152441.GJ3822@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020326164054.GL3822@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:21:07AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > Hmm... anyone invisioning the Imperial government commissioning Hewlet > > Packard to make a few Interdictor class printers? > > hmmm, the idea has merit, but i would rather have an interdiction field > that i can control Oh, come on. You mean you don't want the ship to quit responding to all communication if more than one radio is trying to establish a connection? You don't want the ship to crash from buffer overflows in the SNMP code? You're no fun! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just turn it off and I'll quit bitching. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/9f45fa20/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Mar 26 11:24:00 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: dns propigation check Message-ID: <1017163613.9882.106.camel@money> Hey folks- This is OT. For thoes that are willing, would you tell me if this works for you. http://cbsg.org/news/index.php and tell me if you get a 404 or a page. I switched the name servers for this domain on friday, and there seems to be something fishy about the dns info propigating (or lack there of) the client's name server (owned by the state of MN) hand received the updated info and im trying to determine how widespread (if at all) this problem is. I figure if anyone on the list gets a 404, its not just thier server, and its a bigger problem. If none has a problem seeing the link above, its an isloated problem. Please reply off list if you test the link and are reporting your findings. Thanks Duncan From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Mar 26 12:45:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [020326 11:14]: > Tip to everyone, not just Bruce. You should also /TURN OFF/ the > "include original text in reply." Many of you don't actually use the Many of us appreciate the little blurbs. I would personally just watch your signal/noise ratio. If theres a bit more quoting than actual text, trim the quoting down a bit. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Mar 26 12:57:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com> On Tuesday 26 March 2002 12:44 pm, you wrote: > * Chad C. Walstrom [020326 11:14]: > > Tip to everyone, not just Bruce. You should also /TURN OFF/ the > > "include original text in reply." Many of you don't actually use the > > Many of us appreciate the little blurbs. I would personally just watch > your signal/noise ratio. If theres a bit more quoting than actual text, > trim the quoting down a bit. I'm apparently missing something -- is bandwidth at such a premium locally that a bit of extra text is a problem? Who is using a 2400 baud modem? -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 26 13:10:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:57:15PM -0600 References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020326130849.E5215@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:57:15PM -0600, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > I'm apparently missing something -- is bandwidth at such a premium locally > that a bit of extra text is a problem? Who is using a 2400 baud modem? Doesn't matter how fast my DSL is, the bandwidth of my eyes is still limited. Messages that look like: 1 line note --- message from so-and-so --- 3,762 lines of text which may or may not contain additional comments and there's no way to tell without visually scanning through all of it are a real PITA, even with a MUA that's kind enough to highlight quoted text. If you edit your quotes once, your hundreds of readers don't have to all waste their time editing them mentally. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Mar 26 13:18:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <1017170526.17493.17.camel@Dart-83_linux> On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 12:57, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > On Tuesday 26 March 2002 12:44 pm, you wrote: > > * Chad C. Walstrom [020326 11:14]: > > > Tip to everyone, not just Bruce. You should also /TURN OFF/ the > > > "include original text in reply." Many of you don't actually use the > > > > Many of us appreciate the little blurbs. I would personally just watch > > your signal/noise ratio. If theres a bit more quoting than actual text, > > trim the quoting down a bit. > > I'm apparently missing something -- is bandwidth at such a premium locally > that a bit of extra text is a problem? Who is using a 2400 baud modem? Actually, it is the 30 MB HD that it is being stored on. :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 26 13:42:30 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, MJ wrote: > Well, 4 $20 LinkSys cards adds up to about $80. Can get a nice 3com 3c905 > for that, and it'll be there to pass on to your grandchildren. :) Ahhhhhhh!!! I run far and fast from those horrid 3Coms. Netgear makes a good solid card, I've been messing with the newer Intel EEPro100 VE chipset and it seems to be pretty solid as well. Avoid 3coms like the plague. -Brian From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Mar 26 13:51:00 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: Here is an update for those who are interested. Didn't end up reinstalling, instead I toughed it out through the problems (and my own ignorance) and got things running again. So, good for me. I won't be touching that machine, but it will be stepping down as my central server (i.e. gateway/firewall). This thread opened my eyes to a more things, I went out and read a few more LDP HOWTOs, now I have a new goal. I have a new machine which will serve as my gateway/firewall plus a ton more. It's not quite all together yet--still need to pick up the hard drives. It's an Athalon XP 1600, 512 Mb RAM, that will have a two disk RAID 0 on IDE 1 and IDE 2 (no CDROM). This machine will be doing some serious work as I will be setting up SourceForge 2.5 on it and using it to host a few projects. So it will be running (of the top of my head): - Apache with mod_ssl/mod_php - PostgreSQL - Sendmail with Majordomo - SSH - CVS - FTP (not sure which daemon, any recommendations?) - Ipchains (masq/firewall) - Registered Users with shell accounts (SSH only, no telnet) There'll be about 3 projects, each will have a CVS/Database/2 Mailing Lists/Release Downloads/2+ developers On the other machine I setup, I kept running out of space on /var because of the stupid samba logs ( must have configured something wrong). Anyway, there will be no samba on this machine, but I understand that mailing lists and mail boxes take up quite a lot of space. I also seems like a good idea to put the CVS repositories in their own partition. I guess the websites could go in their own partition too, or maybe am I going overboard. What would be a good way to partition up my 80 gig RAID (two 40 gigs) so that everything runs optimally, has enough space and can be backed-up? -David From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 26 14:18:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 01:50:11PM -0600 References: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020326141620.K22073@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 01:50:11PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > I have a new machine which will serve as my gateway/firewall plus a > ton more. Conventional wisdom would really recommend using a separate box, running only a minimal number of services, as the gateway/firewall. The last thing you want is for someone to hack into your firewall machine. The more services it's running, the more vulnerable it is. You might also want to consider putting 3 NICs in the firewall and moving your "bastion host" web/email/whatever servers onto a separate network from your internal machines. > What would be a good way to partition up my 80 gig RAID (two 40 gigs) so > that everything runs optimally, has enough space and can be backed-up? Opinions vary on partitioning strategies. Some options are: - one big partition - separate partitions for /usr, /usr/local, /home, /var, /tmp ... There are tradeoffs involved. Using separate partitions for /var and /tmp insures that activity on those partitions (such as log files) doesn't fill up the entire hard disk. It may be possible to mount the /usr partition read-only. Different partitions may have different backup requirements ... Joel From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 14:31:03 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! In-Reply-To: <20020326164054.GL3822@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:40:54AM -0600 References: <20020326152441.GJ3822@wookimus.net> <20020326164054.GL3822@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020326143051.B13439@real-time.com> > Oh, come on. You mean you don't want the ship to quit responding to all > communication if more than one radio is trying to establish a > connection? You don't want the ship to crash from buffer overflows in > the SNMP code? > > You're no fun! obviously the gov't shares your idea of fun... this is why they decided to use Windows NT to operate one of their destroyers. (which was then left drifting for quite some time when NT decided to bluescreen...) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 26 14:34:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Brian wrote: > Ahhhhhhh!!! I run far and fast from those horrid 3Coms. Netgear makes a > good solid card, I've been messing with the newer Intel EEPro100 VE > chipset and it seems to be pretty solid as well. Avoid 3coms like the > plague. i beg to differ, i have had only the best from 3com cards. though i would like to know what kind of peoblems you have had... and remember all 3com products have a life-time warranty against defects on them, -munir PS. i am not afiliated with 3com in anyway, i am just a very satisfied customer From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 26 14:36:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netiquette again, (not bandwidth) In-Reply-To: <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:44:59PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > Many of us appreciate the little blurbs. [Refering to the original text included with replies] > I would personally just watch your signal/noise ratio. If theres a > bit more quoting than actual text, trim the quoting down a bit. That's my point. There's little reason to include the original text in a reply if you're not going to actually reference it. Dave illustrated a great example of this where one line of text is followed by the entire original message. No one appreciates this "blurb". Quote text, certainly, but be selective about it. Consciously decide to include text with the intent of /editing/! To those that gave sarcastic comments about bandwidth, it's not even a point to consider; the barbs fall short of sticking. It's simple netiquette and signal:noise ratios. We're a technical crowd on this list, and IMHO feel that we should hold ourselves to a bit higher standards than more "general" lists. If we need to write up a List Policy, I'm all for it. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/9e080f31/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Mar 26 14:43:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2057 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:57:15PM -0600 References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <200203261256.35005@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020326144324.A13622@sistina.com> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:57:15PM -0600, Joel Rosenberg wrote: >I'm apparently missing something -- is bandwidth at such a premium locally >that a bit of extra text is a problem? Who is using a 2400 baud modem? Nah, it's not that; it's sifting through all the stuff to get to the actual post thats a pain. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/1a74032f/attachment.pgp From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Mar 26 15:34:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020326141620.K22073@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: Joel Schneider wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 01:50:11PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > I have a new machine which will serve as my gateway/firewall plus a > > ton more. > > Conventional wisdom would really recommend using a separate box, running > only a minimal number of services, as the gateway/firewall. This is undeniably true, in fact, you pointing it out gave me motivation to go tinker with my network. I have a 3Com wireless gateway/firewall which is ideal for running a completely private network, but you can't do port forward or anything, so it doesn't work for running any Internet services. I tried once several months ago to setup a machine to run in front of it as a DMZ and router, but didn't get it to work. I just went back and tried again... bingo, it works! Not sure what I didn't know last time I tried it that I know now, regardless, great! This is the strangest part, suddenly iptables works *incredibly* faster, literally 100x faster, before I could barely check my email it was so slow. I didn't make any changes to iptables at all either, just rearranged network cables. I get the feeling the 3com gateway is to blame, I'd love to figure out why. Thanks for the wake up call, suddenly my whole networks is safer and faster! How often does that happen. -David From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 26 15:54:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] enhanced cd ? References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A457@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <3CA0EE4C.1040805@haxxed.mine.nu> Miller, John wrote: > I just bought a copy of David Gray's White Ladder CD (music) and went to play it in my RH machine. When I loaded it, RH automounted it and displayed the directory which had a file in extention of .exe. Nowhere on the CD could I find the tracks and there was no way that I found to play it. I was able to play it on my winblow ME machine but not on my win2000. I suspect that this has something to do with copy protecting the cd. > > Anyone know of a work around to play this on RH? You should be able to just start a CD player app and play it even when mounted. That or disable that magicdev automount crap. ;P From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 26 15:56:02 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: dns propigation check References: <1017163613.9882.106.camel@money> Message-ID: <3CA0EEAD.1070105@haxxed.mine.nu> duncan wrote: > Hey folks- > > This is OT. For thoes that are willing, would you tell me if this works > for you. > > > http://cbsg.org/news/index.php > > and tell me if you get a 404 or a page. I get a page. I'm on mediaone cable, but I'm using my own DNS server running directly off the root servers. ;P From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Mar 26 15:59:01 2002 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free laser printer act fast! Message-ID: <020326152910.24604fdf@dcmir.med.umn.edu> >> Oh, come on. You mean you don't want the ship to quit responding to all >> communication if more than one radio is trying to establish a >> connection? You don't want the ship to crash from buffer overflows in >> the SNMP code? >> >> You're no fun! > >obviously the gov't shares your idea of fun... this is why they decided to >use Windows NT to operate one of their destroyers. (which was then left >drifting for quite some time when NT decided to bluescreen...) I thought they had to tow that sucker to port. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 26 16:56:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > i beg to differ, i have had only the best from 3com cards. though i would > like to know what kind of peoblems you have had... There are several 3c905 series chips that have major problems at 100Mb. I've only seen this problem with the 3c905B chip but I've heard it is present in some 905Cs as well. At 10Mb they're just fine. At 100Mb, they drop frames. Not just a few, it seemed to occur in bursts. Machines will just lose network connectivity for a couple minutes then mysteriously come back. Occasionally it'd be dropping for an entire day or more and a particular machine would be unusable. Call up our hardware vendor, order a replacement, user comes in the next day before the new card has arrived, all is working. We narrowed it down to the 3com cards as it was not occuring in the few machines with Intel Etherexpress cards. We replaced a few problem machines with Intel cards, all was good. I guess the other real problem I have with 3com is that if I can get a Netgear for $20, why am I paying $80 for a 3c905C? Even though I'm sure the frame dropping issue is no more, I cringe when I see one on the shelf next to cards that cost half the price (or cheaper). > and remember all 3com products have a life-time warranty against defects > on them, Yes, and if I had kept at it my frame problem would have been resolved eventually as they would have finally sent me cards that worked. I just don't see it as a wise investment. -Brian From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Mar 26 17:13:08 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: dns propigation check Message-ID: <200203262304.g2QN4DI22972@linuxserver.northlans.com> Works for me. > Hey folks- > > This is OT. For thoes that are willing, would you tell me if this works > for you. > > > http://cbsg.org/news/index.php > > and tell me if you get a 404 or a page. > > I switched the name servers for this domain on friday, and there seems > to be something fishy about the dns info propigating (or lack there of) > > the client's name server (owned by the state of MN) hand received the > updated info and im trying to determine how widespread (if at all) this > problem is. > > I figure if anyone on the list gets a 404, its not just thier server, > and its a bigger problem. If none has a problem seeing the link above, > its an isloated problem. > > Please reply off list if you test the link and are reporting your > findings. > > Thanks > > Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Tue Mar 26 18:00:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032617474000.13932@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> On Tuesday 26 March 2002 16:55, you wrote: > We narrowed it down to the 3com cards as it was not occuring in the few > machines with Intel Etherexpress cards. We replaced a few problem > machines with Intel cards, all was good. Anyone ever heard of this happening with any of the SMC cards, cause my fiance has been having a very similar problem, in both Linux, and Windows... Chris www.HomelessIRC.net From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 26 18:19:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netiquette again, (not bandwidth) In-Reply-To: <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:33:15PM -0600 References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020326181856.P22073@joelschneider.net> Oh great. Another rant about netiquette. I think I'll add to it. It's no wonder to me that some people are intimidated by tclug-list. I'd like a linux sandwich with two slices of elitism, please. (Note the exemplary lack of quoted text and signature.) From mike at getbent.net Tue Mar 26 20:54:00 2002 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail and Reply-to Message-ID: <02032620530005.16955@Dingo> Hi all, still a Qmail newbie as it were and wondering if there was a way to force a reply-to address for a given user? Such as If my username was mnielsen and I wanted qmail to force mike@getbent.net I figured out how to setup the .qmail-mike alias files and assumed there was something for reply but havn't found it yet. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Mar 26 20:56:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Netiquette again, (not bandwidth) In-Reply-To: <20020326181856.P22073@joelschneider.net> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net> <20020326181856.P22073@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020327025532.GB18291@ringworld.org> * Joel Schneider [020326 18:21]: > I'd like a linux sandwich with two slices of elitism, please. Isn't it just better to shut up instead of saying anything at all? Most of this thread was linked back to the whole: TRIM YOUR (*#@*#@#@!@!#%#$) NOTES thing that Zibby and I have, IMO. This is a direct s/n ratio, not elitism. But hell, what do I know, your the 31337 one with your elitism mocking. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Mar 26 21:22:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail and Reply-to In-Reply-To: <02032620530005.16955@Dingo> References: <02032620530005.16955@Dingo> Message-ID: Mike Nielsen writes: > Hi all, still a Qmail newbie as it were and wondering if there was a way to > force a reply-to address for a given user? Such as If my username was > mnielsen and I wanted qmail to force mike@getbent.net > > I figured out how to setup the .qmail-mike alias files and assumed there > was something for reply but havn't found it yet. Not an MTA issue; you should do this in your MUA, the application you actually run to create and send mail. How you do it depends on the MUA, but every one I've used will do it in some way. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From fertch at mninter.net Tue Mar 26 22:02:01 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses Message-ID: <20020326220530.2cfd4674.fertch@mninter.net> Okay, a coder I am not. What would be a way to unencode a windows.exe program under Linux? I did a strings against it and still had over a hundred lines that I couldn't read. I'm not using wine, vmware or the like currently. I'm just looking for a possible way that I can view all the encoded text. I had a virus sent to me from someone I know off another list, and am curious as to what it looks like. Thankfully, I use sylpheed for this account's mail =) Not so thankful that I use K-mail for the other account I have. Shawn From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 26 22:12:09 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FlowPoint 144 iDSL router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got one too and even found a use for it. You can use it as a regular router, or even dumb it down to a hub. Tom Cross writes: > I have a FlowPoint 144 iDSL router that is looking for a good home. Model > number 134 P/N 905-00411-01. > > It has a 4 port ethernet hub on the back. > > Anyway, no longer need it since I'm not longer doing iDSL. Anyone is > interested email me off list. > > -- > Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 > IS Manager E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com > Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From kremer at ringworld.org Tue Mar 26 22:25:02 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lotus Notes and html In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a friend whose school has decided to use Lotus Notes for their web-based e-mail option. Better than hotmail, you might say? no. Lotus by default sends everything in html format, and it's html is fubar! Anyway...my question here is does anyone know how to turn OFF html in it? I searched through preferences and "menus" for about 15 minutes and couldn't find anything. - Kremer From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Mar 26 22:28:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Netiquette again, (not bandwidth) In-Reply-To: <20020327025532.GB18291@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:55:32PM -0600 References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net> <20020326181856.P22073@joelschneider.net> <20020327025532.GB18291@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020326222838.Q22073@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:55:32PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > Isn't it just better to shut up instead of saying anything at all? Normally it might be, but I decided to indulge myself this time. At least we appear to agree that elitism is bad. Joel From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Mar 26 22:34:01 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Netiquette again, (not bandwidth) In-Reply-To: <20020326222838.Q22073@joelschneider.net> References: <20020326170920.GM3822@wookimus.net> <20020326184459.GA18291@ringworld.org> <20020326203315.GQ3822@wookimus.net> <20020326181856.P22073@joelschneider.net> <20020327025532.GB18291@ringworld.org> <20020326222838.Q22073@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020327043431.GB17896@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:28:38PM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: >On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:55:32PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: >> Isn't it just better to shut up instead of saying anything at all? No, never shut up. Just be concise. > >Normally it might be, but I decided to indulge myself this time. > >At least we appear to agree that elitism is bad. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/56ead5fd/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 26 22:39:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight (3/21) References: Message-ID: <3CA14D36.9020701@haxxed.mine.nu> > Tonights beer meeting (3/21/02) will take place at 6pm at the Green Mill on > Grand and Hamline. > > Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting > > > Hope to see you there! We need a beermeeting-announce list that can be gatewayed to IMs and cell phones and such... Or I could just make a procmail recipie to pick it out from here. Heh. From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Mar 26 22:51:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 References: <3C9CDFA1.CF2C4EFD@mn.uswest.net> <1016919822.4917.3.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <1016932498.14186.3.camel@me> Message-ID: <3CA15003.2010403@haxxed.mine.nu> David Johnson wrote: > I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I > have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, and I need to update ssh. I tried > the rpms that come with 7.2, but you know how redhat is with > dependencies, especially between releases. apt-get is your friend. From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 26 22:56:02 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lotus Notes and html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017204987.8851.1.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 22:25, Kremer wrote: > I have a friend whose school has decided to use Lotus Notes for their > web-based e-mail option. Better than hotmail, you might say? no. > Lotus by default sends everything in html format, and it's html is fubar! > Anyway...my question here is does anyone know how to turn OFF html in it? > I searched through preferences and "menus" for about 15 minutes and > couldn't find anything. > > - Kremer If I remember correctly, there is a server-side configuration that needs to be set, on either a global or per-user basis. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.key | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020326/675f0d86/attachment.pgp From feist at borg.umn.edu Wed Mar 27 01:22:01 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DHCP Question In-Reply-To: <3C9FF165.8EF777EE@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 09:56:21PM -0600 References: <3C9D414A.C0E92AAD@mn.uswest.net> <20020323214840.A13974@borg.umn.edu> <3C9FF165.8EF777EE@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20020327012231.A28387@borg.umn.edu> On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 09:56:21PM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Actually, it is the dhcp client (in this case pump) that I am worried about. I > want it to look to the cable modem on eth0 for the DHCP server rather than eth1 > which is the internal network where a second DHCP server resides for my laptop and > other sundry boxes. Ahh.. Then you just have to set the networking in your system to use dhcp only on that port. It differs depending on the distribution you have, but you can run 'pump -i eth0' and it'll grab an address for the card at eth0. Chris From DACross at nwc.edu Wed Mar 27 07:13:10 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lotus Notes and html Message-ID: File, Preferences, User Preferences, Mail and News. You'll see there that you can shut off html entirely if you like. David ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani Anyway...my question here is does anyone know how to turn OFF html in it? I searched through preferences and "menus" for about 15 minutes and couldn't find anything. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 07:20:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DemoLinux: Linux without installation, disk partitioning and other hassles that usually prevent people from giving Linux a try. Message-ID: <20020327072002.Y8198@real-time.com> http://demolinux.org/ Linux without installation, disk partitioning and other hassles that usually prevent people from giving Linux a try. isos are in the misc_iso directory on gladiator. It's pretty slick stuff. Nice advocacy tool! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kethry at winternet.com Wed Mar 27 07:42:00 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lotus Notes and html In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What would you rather send it in if not HTML? Liz Burke-Scovill Notes Administrator/Product Development Manager American Government Services On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Kremer wrote: > I have a friend whose school has decided to use Lotus Notes for their > web-based e-mail option. Better than hotmail, you might say? no. > Lotus by default sends everything in html format, and it's html is fubar! > Anyway...my question here is does anyone know how to turn OFF html in it? > I searched through preferences and "menus" for about 15 minutes and > couldn't find anything. > > - Kremer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 07:44:00 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Openview and X Message-ID: <20020327074407.3f239209.fertch@mninter.net> I'm trying to run HP Openview on my Linux box (I've tried both RH7.2 and Slack 8) and get the following errors: I'm don't recall the versions of X that are on, but I believe that I've loaded all of the fonts that I can from the different distros? Is this a true type font issue that Bob was asking about? Currently, I'm using Slack8 (default install) and fvwm2. I've also tried KDE to no success also. Is there something else that I can do short of VMWare or go back to windows? Shawn $ opc $ [W: X Toolkit Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion] [W: X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r-norma -m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontSet] [W: X Toolkit Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion] [W: X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface system-medium-r-nor al-m sans-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontSet] ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-140-*" to type ontSet ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-120-*" to type ontSet ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-100-*" to type ontSet ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-80-*" to type F ntSet ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Cannot convert string "*-*-courier-*-r-*-120-*" to type FontSet Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset From kethry at winternet.com Wed Mar 27 07:53:01 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lotus Notes and html In-Reply-To: Message-ID: doh - I reread the message - have had my head stuck quite firmly in design lately, and I initially read the message as Kremer wanting to know how to get the web mail client display in anything other than HTML.. Hence my confusion... Dave had the answer :) Liz On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > What would you rather send it in if not HTML? > > Liz Burke-Scovill > Notes Administrator/Product Development Manager > American Government Services > > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Kremer wrote: > > > I have a friend whose school has decided to use Lotus Notes for their > > web-based e-mail option. Better than hotmail, you might say? no. > > Lotus by default sends everything in html format, and it's html is fubar! > > Anyway...my question here is does anyone know how to turn OFF html in it? > > I searched through preferences and "menus" for about 15 minutes and > > couldn't find anything. > > > > - Kremer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 07:59:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg Message-ID: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> I have a public/private key that was generated using pgp 6.5.2 is on pgp's keyring. I want to get it on my gnupg 1.0.6 keyring. First, I exported and imported my public key. Then I exported and imported my private key: export: [atanner@pelican atanner]$ gpg --armor --export-secret-keys --secret-keyring ~/.pgp/secring.skr 0xAF24A101 > /var/tmp/mykey.sec import: [atanner@pelican atanner]$ gpg --import --allow-secret-key-import < /var/tmp/mykey.sec gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: key AF24A101: secret key imported gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: secret keys read: 1 gpg: secret keys imported: 1 All appeared to work ok. ... [atanner@pelican atanner]$ gpg --list-keys Amy gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! pub 2048R/AF24A101 2002-03-26 Amy Tanner However, when I try to sign email in mutt, I get this error: gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: protection algorithm 1 is not supported gpg: skipped `0xAF24A101': unknown cipher algorithm gpg: signing failed: unknown cipher algorithm Press any key to continue... I believe algorithm 1 is IDEA (can someone confirm?), which doesn't appear to be supported in my gnupg installation: [atanner@pelican atanner]$ gpg --version gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.6 Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details. Home: ~/.gnupg Supported algorithms: Cipher: 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, RIJNDAEL, RIJNDAEL192, RIJNDAEL256, TWOFISH Pubkey: RSA, RSA-E, RSA-S, ELG-E, DSA, ELG Hash: MD5, SHA1, RIPEMD160 Is there a way to get gnupg to support IDEA? I saw mention of a plug-in but couldn't find one. Or, is there some other problem? Also, here are the applicable variables in my .muttrc: set pgp_decode_command="gpg %?p?--passphrase-fd 0? --no-verbose --batch --output - %f" set pgp_verify_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --verify %s %f" set pgp_decrypt_command="gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --no-verbose --batch --output - %f" set pgp_sign_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --detach-sign --textmode %?a?-u %a? %f" set pgp_clearsign_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --textmode --clearsign %?a?-u %a? %f" set pgp_encrypt_only_command="pgpewrap gpg --batch --quiet --no-verbose --output - --encrypt --textmode --armor --always-trust --encrypt-to AF24A101 -- -r %r -- %f" set pgp_encrypt_sign_command="pgpewrap gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --batch --quiet --no-verbose --textmode --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust --encrypt-to AF24A101 -- -r %r -- %f" set pgp_import_command="gpg --no-verbose --import -v %f" set pgp_export_command="gpg --no-verbose --export --armor %r" set pgp_verify_key_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --fingerprint --check-sigs %r" set pgp_list_pubring_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --list-keys %r" set pgp_list_secring_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --list-secret-keys %r" set pgp_autosign=yes set pgp_sign_as=AF24A101 set pgp_replyencrypt=yes set pgp_timeout=1800 #set pgp_good_sign="^gpg: Good signature from" Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 08:14:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg In-Reply-To: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:58:37AM -0600 References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020327081311.E26019@real-time.com> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:58:37AM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > I have a public/private key that was generated using pgp 6.5.2 is on > pgp's keyring. I want to get it on my gnupg 1.0.6 keyring. First, I exported > and imported my public key. I figured it out. I had to unset my passphrase in pgp before exporting it, then reset my passphrase in both pgp and gpg after importing it. Does anyone know if there's a way to get gnupg to support IDEA to avoid unsetting your passphrase? Or, is there a way to specify what pgp uses to encrypt your private key? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From joellist at litriusgroup.com Wed Mar 27 08:23:01 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DemoLinux: Linux without installation, disk partitioning and other hassles that usually prevent people from giving Linux a try. References: <20020327072002.Y8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005701c1d5ab$97a93fe0$7f02a8c0@destro> excellent From amy at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 08:27:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg In-Reply-To: <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:20:50AM -0600 References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020327082644.H26019@real-time.com> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:20:50AM -0600, Walstrom, Chad (chewie@wookimus.net) wrote: > You definitely need the IDEA module in order to use this key. I > remember having to manually compile the module and placing the object > file in my ~/.gnupg directory. I see that Debian does have both a > source and binary package you could use (gpg-idea and gpg-rsaidea). If > worse comes to worse, just download the *.orig.tar.gz file and compile > it manually like I long ago. When I was looking for it on gnupg's ftp site, I found this readme: ftp://ftp.exobit.org/pub/security/gnupg/contrib/README.idea idea.c - The GnuPG IDEA plugin. Due to patent problems we do not keep the idea.c file any longer here on this server. If you are in a country where the distribution is allowed, you might want to get it from its new distribution server; however we suggest to avoid this algorithm entirely due to interoperability problems. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From fholson at cohousing.org Wed Mar 27 08:37:38 2002 From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 6 for Linux available now Message-ID: I happened onto this at: news://starnews.sun.com/3CA09CAE.8010103@unternehmen.com which says: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ sais: > March 25, 2002 - StarOffice 6.0/Linux is available for download - > The much anticipated Sun StarOffice 6.0 for Linux is now available > for download to Mandrake Linux Silver Club Members . We are proud to > announce that Club members will be among the first Linux users to > have the privilege of using the newest version of this premiere > Linux Office Suite. Details are here: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/staroffice-6.0.php3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 27 08:51:36 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 03:33:37PM -0600 References: <20020326141620.K22073@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020327084941.A29372@techmonkeys.org> [snip] > This is the strangest part, suddenly iptables works *incredibly* faster, > literally 100x faster, before I could barely check my email it was so slow. > I didn't make any changes to iptables at all either, just rearranged network > cables. I get the feeling the 3com gateway is to blame, I'd love to figure > out why. It looks like you're an AT&T Cable customers, they recently *gasp!* fixed their DNS problems in the Minnesota area, this has resolved a lot of slow browsing issues, amoung other things (anything to do with using their DNS servers was slow, as well as connecting to other sites that try to resolve your host before allowing you to login/send mail/etc. > -David -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Mar 27 08:52:27 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:34:17PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:34:17PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Brian wrote: > > Ahhhhhhh!!! I run far and fast from those horrid 3Coms. Netgear makes a > > good solid card, I've been messing with the newer Intel EEPro100 VE > > chipset and it seems to be pretty solid as well. Avoid 3coms like the > > plague. > > i beg to differ, i have had only the best from 3com cards. though i would > like to know what kind of peoblems you have had... My bad 3com (IIRC) 3c905b experience: The damn thing refused to talk to my 10/100 switch (I don't recall the switch's mfg and it's at home, I'm not) using the stock Linux drivers and, after searching high and low, I could only turn up 905c drivers from 3com - not that it would've helped anyhow, because ISTR that it didn't work with the Windows drivers either. The only way I could get it to work was to plug the 3c905b into a 10Mbps hub and uplink the hub into the 10/100 switch. My best guess on why it didn't work was that the card was insisting on 100t4, while the switch only knows how to do 100tx, but that's more a shot in the dark than anything else. Then I picked up a batch of 4 EEPro100s off ebay, dropped 'em in, they worked perfectly as soon as I rebuilt my kernel (modules? we don' need no steenking modules!) and that 3com card has been gathering dust ever since. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Mar 27 08:53:32 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses In-Reply-To: <20020326220530.2cfd4674.fertch@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:05:30PM -0600 References: <20020326220530.2cfd4674.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020327085252.C2805@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:05:30PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Okay, a coder I am not. What would be a way to unencode a windows.exe program under Linux? I did a strings against it and still had over a hundred lines that I couldn't read. > > I'm not using wine, vmware or the like currently. I'm just looking for a possible way that I can view all the encoded text. I had a virus sent to me from someone I know off another list, and am curious as to what it looks like. So, you say you want to uuencode, but it sounds like you really want to uudecode :) Either way, you distribution likely comes with the uuencode and uudecode commands. At least they're in RH 7.2. % rpm -qf `which uudecode` sharutils-4.2.1-8 Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Mar 27 09:02:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What's a good tool to use to monitor if a particular process is running, and then restart it if it dies? Preferably a perl or a shell script as I don't have compilers on the box I need to use it on, and I want to stay far far away from DJB's daemontools. Jay From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 27 09:16:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:50:22AM -0600 References: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:50:22AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > My bad 3com (IIRC) 3c905b experience: > > My best guess on why it > didn't work was that the card was insisting on 100t4, while the > switch only knows how to do 100tx, but that's more a shot in the dark > than anything else. Blaming user error on the hardware leads to a lot of poor opinions, next time try using mii-tool/mii-diag, you might also try manually setting your speed/duplex (tried reading the docs lately?) > Then I picked up a batch of 4 EEPro100s off ebay, dropped 'em in, > they worked perfectly as soon as I rebuilt my kernel (modules? we don' > need no steenking modules!) and that 3com card has been gathering > dust ever since. I'll take the 3com off your hands since it's such a crappy card =) As for the EEPro100's, I'm happy with them too, although the only ones I have left are quad and dual port compaq NC3131's (yum) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 09:25:03 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses In-Reply-To: <20020327085252.C2805@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20020326220530.2cfd4674.fertch@mninter.net> <20020327085252.C2805@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020327092247.4233d99b.fertch@mninter.net> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:52:52 -0600 Gabe Turner wrote: > So, you say you want to uuencode, but it sounds like you really want to > uudecode :) Either way, you distribution likely comes with the uuencode > and uudecode commands. At least they're in RH 7.2. > > % rpm -qf `which uudecode` > sharutils-4.2.1-8 > Thanks Gabe. Basically, all I really want to do is to be able to open the file up so that it's in a readable format. Just the curiosity of it really. Shawn From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Mar 27 09:29:01 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: can anyone reccomend a fast site to download redhat 7.2 Colin From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Mar 27 09:50:02 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried ftp.mn-linux.org? Jeff On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > can anyone reccomend a fast site to download redhat 7.2 > > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Mar 27 09:50:33 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:16:17AM -0600 References: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org> <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020327095013.B11584@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:16:17AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > next time try using mii-tool/mii-diag, I don't recall having seen either mentioned in any of my searches for information on it. How long have they been around? > you might also try manually > setting your speed/duplex (tried reading the docs lately?) It was a couple years ago; I was young, foolish, and blissfully unaware of the kernel source's Documentation directory. But, again, none of my searches turned up anything on setting things manually when using the stock 3c90x driver, only how to do it with 3Com's 905c driver (which I didn't expect to do real well with a 905b, but I'll admit I never got around to trying it). > I'll take the 3com off your hands since it's such a crappy card =) I'd be happy to trade it for an EEPro100 at the next installfest. > As for the EEPro100's, I'm happy with them too, although the only ones > I have left are quad and dual port compaq NC3131's (yum) Where'd you find those and how much do they run? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Mar 27 09:51:02 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017244238.3ca1ea4e38b56@www.andersonfam.org> A few days ago, I downloaded Mandrake 8.2. from ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu and it was really fast. It appears that they have the redhat distro mirrored as well. -Erik Quoting Colin Kilbane : > can anyone reccomend a fast site to download redhat 7.2 > > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik V. Anderson erik@andersonfam.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Mar 27 09:54:42 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Its a little too popular... Thanks Colin Kilbane From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 27 10:13:02 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Dave Sherohman wrote: > My bad 3com (IIRC) 3c905b experience: > > The damn thing refused to talk to my 10/100 switch (I don't recall > the switch's mfg and it's at home, I'm not) using the stock Linux seems to me like a linkspeed/duplex issue > drivers and, after searching high and low, I could only turn up 905c > drivers from 3com - not that it would've helped anyhow, because ISTR iirc drivers for most 3com nics were in the kernel since at least the 2.0 series, i highly doubt you will find many bugs in these drivers > that it didn't work with the Windows drivers either. The only way I > could get it to work was to plug the 3c905b into a 10Mbps hub and at this point i would say: bad nic > uplink the hub into the 10/100 switch. My best guess on why it > didn't work was that the card was insisting on 100t4, while the > switch only knows how to do 100tx, but that's more a shot in the dark > than anything else. i am not sure on this one... > Then I picked up a batch of 4 EEPro100s off ebay, dropped 'em in, > they worked perfectly as soon as I rebuilt my kernel (modules? we don' > need no steenking modules!) nothing wrong with the eepros, its just that 3com is a known player in the market and intel... well it's intel, i'd rather AMD nics > and that 3com card has been gathering > dust ever since. i'l buy you a beer for it -munir From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Mar 27 10:37:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > What's a good tool to use to monitor if a particular process is running, and > then restart it if it dies? > > Preferably a perl or a shell script as I don't have compilers on the box I > need to use it on, and I want to stay far far away from DJB's daemontools. Whatcha got against daemontools? I see less reason to object to them than to qmail; while I use and like qmail, I can see why it wouldn't fit other environments well. But daemontools really do their nice simple job very cleanly. However, if your mind's made up never mind. Some kinds of things can be started directly from init, which will restart them if they die if configured right; that might work for your situation, don't know enough details. Otherwise I think you're in the business of reinventing daemontools only getting it right (by your standards). If you do that, I'd love to see the results, maybe that would tell me clearly what you don't like about daemontools, and I'm sure I'd learn something. Because I can't remember hearing about another package that does exactly that. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From esper at sherohman.org Wed Mar 27 10:42:02 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses In-Reply-To: <20020327092247.4233d99b.fertch@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:22:47AM -0600 References: <20020326220530.2cfd4674.fertch@mninter.net> <20020327085252.C2805@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20020327092247.4233d99b.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020327104129.B12039@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:22:47AM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Thanks Gabe. Basically, all I really want to do is to be able to open the file up so that it's in a readable format. Just the curiosity of it really. In that case, you're likely out of luck. .exe files are compiled binary code; the only readable text it's likely to contain is any text that it may display, any external calls it may make to other software, and (if it was built with debugging information) a list of function names. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Mar 27 11:00:02 2002 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses In-Reply-To: <20020327104129.B12039@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > > Thanks Gabe. Basically, all I really want to do is to be able > to open the file up so that it's in a readable format. Just the > curiosity of it really. There are people that are capable of examining .exe's and making sense of them, i.e. reverse engineering them, but it takes a lot of specialized knowledge. Sometimes virus' even use encryption on their own contents in an attempt to make themselves harder to understand. If you do a search on the web you should be able to find information on reverse engineering virus' and other binary executables. Mike From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 27 11:28:00 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: <20020327095013.B11584@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:50:14AM -0600 References: <20020327085022.A11584@sherohman.org> <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org> <20020327095013.B11584@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020327112734.C29372@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:50:14AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:16:17AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > next time try using mii-tool/mii-diag, > > I don't recall having seen either mentioned in any of my searches for > information on it. How long have they been around? It's actually one tool, it's just named differently on different distributions http://www.scyld.com/diag/ > It was a couple years ago; I was young, foolish, and blissfully > unaware of the kernel source's Documentation directory. But, again, > none of my searches turned up anything on setting things manually > when using the stock 3c90x driver, only how to do it with 3Com's 905c > driver (which I didn't expect to do real well with a 905b, but I'll > admit I never got around to trying it). Perhaps you should try the card again and see if you can change your opinion. > > As for the EEPro100's, I'm happy with them too, although the only ones > > I have left are quad and dual port compaq NC3131's (yum) > > Where'd you find those and how much do they run? > $150 on pricewatch, the upgrade module is also available there. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 11:43:00 2002 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? Message-ID: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or negative results with this product? I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! From clay at fandre.com Wed Mar 27 11:45:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Openview and X In-Reply-To: <20020327074407.3f239209.fertch@mninter.net> References: <20020327074407.3f239209.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020327174442.GB9816@fandre.com> Openview is very particular about its fonts. I've run across problems like this when trying to run Openview on a Sun box. What I've done in the past is make a HP-UX box a font server, and server it out to the various clients. I used to have some HP documentation on this. I'll look and see if I can't dig it up. -- Clay On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm trying to run HP Openview on my Linux box (I've tried both RH7.2 and Slack 8) and get the following errors: > > I'm don't recall the versions of X that are on, but I believe that I've loaded all of the fonts that I can from the different distros? Is this a true type font issue that Bob was asking about? > > Currently, I'm using Slack8 (default install) and fvwm2. I've also tried KDE to no success also. Is there something else that I can do short of VMWare or go back to windows? > > Shawn > > $ opc > $ [W: X Toolkit Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion] > [W: X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r-norma > -m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontSet] > [W: X Toolkit Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion] > [W: X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface system-medium-r-nor > al-m sans-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontSet] > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-140-*" to type > ontSet > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-120-*" to type > ontSet > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-100-*" to type > ontSet > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-80-*" to type F > ntSet > ovw: Xt Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > ovw: Xt Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > Warning: Cannot convert string "*-*-courier-*-r-*-120-*" to type FontSet > Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mglaser at umn.edu Wed Mar 27 11:51:01 2002 From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP 4 configure problem Message-ID: <3CA1B22F.19746.D48AE5@localhost> I am trying to work on a file upload page in PHP and I have finally figured out my problem. I do not know how to correct it though. The settings in my php.ini file seem to be ignored. I changed the following variables in my php.ini file that is located in /usr/local/lib: max_upload_filesize = "20M" post_max_size = "20M" Files over 2MB are boming on me. When I run phpinfo(); I see that the values being recognized are the default 2M and 8M respectively for both "local value" and "master value". How do I get my changes to be noticed? I looked through my httpd.conf file and found no reference to php.ini. I don't need to rebuild php do I? Thanks, Mike From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Mar 27 11:55:02 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there>; from rahrenstorff@yahoo.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:44:21AM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: <20020327115512.A16327@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:44:21AM -0600, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or > negative results with this product? > > I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! I purchased the plugin last year and just upgraded to the latest release. It works perfectly for Quicktime, and I have also installed the Word doc viewer. Haven't had time, or compelling reason, to install the other features. It supports Excel and Powerpoint, as well as a few other Windows formats. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From joellist at litriusgroup.com Wed Mar 27 12:08:00 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP 4 configure problem References: <3CA1B22F.19746.D48AE5@localhost> Message-ID: <009f01c1d5ca$fee4c480$7f02a8c0@destro> did you restart apache after you changed your php.ini? From clay at fandre.com Wed Mar 27 12:21:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327115512.A16327@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327115512.A16327@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020327182117.GC9816@fandre.com> He was talking about the Office plugin. http://www.codeweavers.com/about/press_releases/?id=20020327 On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jim Kaufman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:44:21AM -0600, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or > > negative results with this product? > > > > I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! > > > I purchased the plugin last year and just upgraded to the latest > release. It works perfectly for Quicktime, and I have also installed the > Word doc viewer. Haven't had time, or compelling reason, to install the > other features. > > It supports Excel and Powerpoint, as well as a few other Windows > formats. > > -- > Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us > Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 > public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 12:33:01 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debugging windows viruses In-Reply-To: References: <20020327104129.B12039@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020327123258.5b683d63.fertch@mninter.net> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:00:43 -0600 "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > > > Thanks Gabe. Basically, all I really want to do is to be able > > to open the file up so that it's in a readable format. Just the > > curiosity of it really. > > There are people that are capable of examining .exe's and making sense of > them, i.e. reverse engineering them, but it takes a lot of specialized > knowledge. Sometimes virus' even use encryption on their own contents in an > attempt to make themselves harder to understand. If you do a search on the > web you should be able to find information on reverse engineering virus' and > other binary executables. > > Mike Thanks Mike, too much work for me to even bother with it. I've still got a pile and a half of things I want/need to do with my domain before I go off on a tangent with something like this. Shawn From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 27 12:53:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327182117.GC9816@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:21:17PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327115512.A16327@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <20020327182117.GC9816@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020327125325.A23157@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:21:17PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > He was talking about the Office plugin. > http://www.codeweavers.com/about/press_releases/?id=20020327 Wow! Maybe I can do away with my NT (MS Office) box now. From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Mar 27 13:04:01 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:29:08AM -0600 References: <20020327091617.B29372@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020327130349.O2805@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:29:08AM -0600, Colin Kilbane wrote: > can anyone reccomend a fast site to download redhat 7.2 > ftp.software.umn.edu is local. x86-only mirror, though, IIRC. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From mglaser at umn.edu Wed Mar 27 13:24:01 2002 From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP 4 configure problem In-Reply-To: <009f01c1d5ca$fee4c480$7f02a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <3CA1C7DD.22290.1293AE5@localhost> DOH! I guess I forgot that - or didn't realize I had to. Either way, that works. Thank you! Mike > did you restart apache after you changed your php.ini? From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Wed Mar 27 13:41:01 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 6 for Linux available now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032713290100.18764@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> On Wednesday 27 March 2002 08:36, you wrote: > March 25, 2002 - StarOffice 6.0/Linux is available for download - > The much anticipated Sun StarOffice 6.0 for Linux is now available > for download to Mandrake Linux Silver Club Members . We are proud to > announce that Club members will be among the first Linux users to > have the privilege of using the newest version of this premiere > Linux Office Suite. Thankfully I use Mandrake, and am a Silver Club Member, I'm dl-ing it as we speak I'll let you know what I think Chris www.HomelessIRC.net From joelr at ellegon.com Wed Mar 27 13:49:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 6 for Linux available now In-Reply-To: <02032713290100.18764@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> References: <02032713290100.18764@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Message-ID: <200203271346.26656@ellegon.com> On Wednesday 27 March 2002 01:29 pm, Chris Dresel wrote: > On Wednesday 27 March 2002 08:36, you wrote: > > March 25, 2002 - StarOffice 6.0/Linux is available for download - > > The much anticipated Sun StarOffice 6.0 for Linux is now available > > for download to Mandrake Linux Silver Club Members . We are proud to > > announce that Club members will be among the first Linux users to > > have the privilege of using the newest version of this premiere > > Linux Office Suite. > > Thankfully I use Mandrake, and am a Silver Club Member, I'm dl-ing it as we > speak > I'll let you know what I think Please. I'm running the latest stable OpenOffice.org version -- which is definitely Good Enough; see http://www.openoffice.org -- but if Star has managed to get their act together, it would probably be worthwhile for most users to shell out for it. (The Mandrake Club is another matter. I'm not knocking anybody's decision to give Mandrakesoft $120/year, but I'm beginning to wonder how long they're going to be around.) -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From dave at rightwithgod.org Wed Mar 27 15:00:02 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: <3CA232A1.4070900@rightwithgod.org> Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: >I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or >negative results with this product? > >I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I think Bill will not be pleased ;-) -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 27 15:00:36 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <3CA15003.2010403@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > David Johnson wrote: > > I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I > > have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, and I need to update ssh. I tried > > the rpms that come with 7.2, but you know how redhat is with > > dependencies, especially between releases. > > apt-get is your friend. But, unless I'm mistaken, completely useless for this, unless the list of mirrors includes someone's contrib of an OpenSSH RPM built for 6.2. RedHat does not distribute OpenSSH for 6.2. If you tried apt-getting the 7.2 RPM, you'd probably inadvertantly upgrade the whole box to 7.2, or hose your system. If it did anything. Could be an amusing test, but I don't think I'll try it on a production machine. (On a side note, does apt-get for RedHat support SRPMs? If so, you could probably get it to work, by pointing at an SRPM of OpenSSH.) Jima From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Mar 27 15:04:55 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7648B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I wish they had a demo of it. I'm not going to buy it until I can try it out. Since this seems to be a WINE release specific to run Office, are they going to come out with separate versions to run other programs (photoshop, quicken, etc.)? Or are they going to incorporate more functionality into this version? I don't want to buy and run several different builds of WINE to run the programs I want. If someone here buys it, test Quicken and let me know if it works. The standard version of wine seems to work with it, but dialog boxes are all hosed up and it makes it unusable. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Schneider [mailto:joel@joelschneider.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:21:17PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > He was talking about the Office plugin. > > http://www.codeweavers.com/about/press_releases/?id=20020327 > > Wow! Maybe I can do away with my NT (MS Office) box now. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 27 15:11:40 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:00:26PM -0600 References: <3CA15003.2010403@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20020327151042.D1623@sistina.com> > (On a side note, does apt-get for RedHat support SRPMs? If so, you could >probably get it to work, by pointing at an SRPM of OpenSSH.) Yes it does and yes you could. apt-get rocks! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if you snarf an iso, you'll be at 50Kb/s for most of the transfer. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 15:33:48 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:53:19AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020327153053.P8198@real-time.com> Quoting Colin Kilbane (colin@tyr.med.umn.edu): > Its a little too popular... What does that mean? Can't get in? The umn.edu has 50 user limit and I -hope- there are not 50 users from the U on the box! :-) Does your box have reverse lookup? If not, you get dumped into the "default" group of just 1 user. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 15:39:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:02:12AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020327153338.Q8198@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > What's a good tool to use to monitor if a particular process is running, and > then restart it if it dies? > > Preferably a perl or a shell script as I don't have compilers on the box I > need to use it on, and I want to stay far far away from DJB's daemontools. Here is what I use for my setiathome script. Homebrew. #!/bin/bash # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions pid=`pidofproc setiathome` if [ -z "${pid:=}" ]; then if [ ! -x $HOME/.setiathome/`hostname`/setiathome ]; then echo "Error: Cannot execute setiathome. Aborting." fi cd $HOME/.setiathome/`hostname` if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "Error: Cannot cd to setiathome directory failed. Aborting." exit 1 fi echo "Starting setiathome on CPU" nice -10 ./setiathome & fi exit 0 -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 15:40:49 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:38:34AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020327153418.R8198@real-time.com> Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > Whatcha got against daemontools? I see less reason to object to them > than to qmail; while I use and like qmail, I can see why it wouldn't > fit other environments well. But daemontools really do their nice > simple job very cleanly. However, if your mind's made up never mind. Many people have issue with DJB's view of the world. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Mar 27 15:44:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: <20020327153338.Q8198@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020327153338.Q8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > What's a good tool to use to monitor if a particular process is running, and > > then restart it if it dies? > > > > Preferably a perl or a shell script as I don't have compilers on the box I > > need to use it on, and I want to stay far far away from DJB's daemontools. > > Here is what I use for my setiathome script. Homebrew. Based on their recent web page, they'd like you to put a delay in there so if it failed to connect, it didn't retry immediately. Seems their server gets really hammered :-). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed Mar 27 16:51:01 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7648B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3CA24CEA.20404@cruiskeen.com> I just bought it. I really liked the crossover plugin for the web. Unfortunately I don't have any of my CD's here with me at work. But tomorrow I should be able to know about Office 2000 and Quicken. This will come very close to fixing it so I never have to boot windows again. Austad, Jay wrote: > I wish they had a demo of it. I'm not going to buy it until I can try it > out. > > Since this seems to be a WINE release specific to run Office, are they going > to come out with separate versions to run other programs (photoshop, > quicken, etc.)? Or are they going to incorporate more functionality into > this version? I don't want to buy and run several different builds of WINE > to run the programs I want. > > If someone here buys it, test Quicken and let me know if it works. The > standard version of wine seems to work with it, but dialog boxes are all > hosed up and it makes it unusable. > > Jay > > From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 27 17:05:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg In-Reply-To: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:58:37AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > Is there a way to get gnupg to support IDEA? I saw mention of a > plug-in but couldn't find one. Or, is there some other problem? You definitely need the IDEA module in order to use this key. I remember having to manually compile the module and placing the object file in my ~/.gnupg directory. I see that Debian does have both a source and binary package you could use (gpg-idea and gpg-rsaidea). If worse comes to worse, just download the *.orig.tar.gz file and compile it manually like I long ago. Package: gpg-idea Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: non-US/non-free Installed-Size: 64 Maintainer: Tom Lees Source: gpg-rsaidea Version: 2.2 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.1-2), gnupg Description: IDEA (PGP 2.x-compatible) module for GNU Privacy Guard This package contains an extension module for the GNU Privacy Guard (GPG), adding support for the IDEA cipher algorithm. RSA and IDEA are required to support standard PGP 2.x keys fully with GPG (RSA only will do for signature verification though). . IDEA is also the default cipher used by PGP 2.x, and is required to decrypt data sent by someone using PGP 2.x, to encrypt data for a PGP 2.x user, and to sign if you have a passphrase on your PGP secret key (the passphrase is encrypted using IDEA). NB you can use PGP to remove the passphrase, copy the key to GPG, and add a passphrase with GPG, and still sign without IDEA. . IDEA is unfortunately patented with big restrictions in Europe and the USA - please see /usr/share/doc/gpg-idea/copyright. Remember to add this line to your ~/.gnupg/options file: load-extension ~/.gnupg/idea You should see this in your gpg output: gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.6 Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details. Home: ~/.gnupg Supported algorithms: Cipher: IDEA, 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, RIJNDAEL, RIJNDAEL192, RIJNDAEL256, TWOFISH Pubkey: RSA, RSA-E, RSA-S, ELG-E, DSA, ELG Hash: MD5, SHA1, RIPEMD160 -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or > negative results with this product? > > I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! Download was fast, installation was easy. Installation of Office 2000 was also easy. Word & Excel work just fine with my 2 minute test. Fonts are a little off, but usable. I printed out 5 powerpoint presentations someone sent us using it. Printer fonts work much better than screen fonts. If you need to be able to print to more than three printers it might be trouble (LPT1, LPT2, LPT3, that's it). Internet Explorer worked ok, it had trouble with Favorites and me wanting to switch the default homepage. But that's not their list of supported apps. Access worked fine for my 2 minute test too. That's not on their list either. Personally, I think the Office plugin idea totally kicks ass. I'm going to try PCAnywhere tomorrow.. :-) Maybe someday soon I can replace my Citrix/Terminal Server with a Linux/CrossOver server? -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 IS Manager E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 27 17:45:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020327152950.O8198@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:29:50PM -0600 References: <20020327152950.O8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020327174614.D29372@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:29:50PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > We are not all that fast, I throttle downloads of over 100mb to 50Kb/s. > > So, if you snarf an iso, you'll be at 50Kb/s for most of the transfer. Hey everyone, let's stop sucking up the bandwidth on ISO's, and instead use up someone else's with more bandwidth to waste: ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/ It's a complete mirror, including betas, and it's also very fast for AT&T users. There's also ftp://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/ and www.redhat.com/mirrors -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Mar 27 18:09:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jima wrote: > But, unless I'm mistaken, completely useless for this, unless the list of > mirrors includes someone's contrib of an OpenSSH RPM built for 6.2. ftp.openbsd.org -USED- to keep copies of the RH6.2 RPMS up there under the OpenSSH directory. I have the 2.9.9-p1 RPMs (which I think have some minor issues and of course the local exploit) running on my RH6.2 boxen. I looked for them yesterday, looks like they took em down. Now, apt-get, are there packages for the latest (3.x) OpenSSH builds? apt-get should work fine on Redhat. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 18:14:01 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:44:21 -0600 Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or > negative results with this product? > > I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! I guess I'm a little confused on some of this. Here's the ramblings in the brain: I understand that MS has a foothold on much of the business world in terms of Office programs as well as desktops and what I'd call "low end" servers, meaning no big powerhouses like Unix/AS400/etc. As well as them continually coming up with whatever else the have in programs. NOt to mention a lot of really good games being built for Windows, unfortunately not for Linux. But, here's what I can't figure out. If the alternative is to get away from Windows, or MS entirely, to save money or the like I don't see this as the answer. Pardon if I'm wrong, but my understanding on these programs like Wine, VMWare, Win4Lin, and such is that you still must legally own a licensed version of the software. For the Office plug-in, you must own MS' Office. So, now you have additional costs: 1) Being the cost of the original program; 2) the cost of the plug-in/app to run said original Win program; 3) Possibly needing to run both the apps and the OS under whatever method; and finally 4) A system powerful enough to run all this. I don't see how this could possibly benefit Linux overall. Yes, there's "compatibility" with Windows software and being able to run Windows on Linux. But I also see this as almost a band-aid covering a portion of a gash the length of an arm. Would a major corporation say yes to all of these additional costs instead of just running Windows and it's native apps as originally designed instead of in an emulator or virtual server? Most likely not. I know I'd get some "You've got to be kidding" looks from management if I approached them with that. I'd rather see development being pushed towards a new app that is compatible than "being able to run XXX for windows on Linux." Linux still needs the "killer app" IMO. Yes, it's come a long way in a short time. Yes, I prefer Linux over Windows now. No, I'm not a Linux elitist (yet). I just feel that instead of trying to run Windows apps on a Linux box, more development needs to be placed in a compatible app or an entirely new "killer app" to replace the version designed to run on Windows. In a way, I see it as being a cheap way out of designing software. However, I will also say that in certain cases such plugins/emulators do have their certain places. Oh, and before someone says "code it yourself," I would if I knew how. I can barely write system scripts unfortunately. Anyone else feel like me or am I the only one? Shawn From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 27 18:55:02 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> Shawn, I can appreciate your point, but consider this; MS Office, is actually a pretty decent package. Bloated yes, resource heavy, yes, but it runs like it should, it is used world-wide and it is multilingual. For example,. the Health Work Committees in Palestine can switch from Spanish to Arabic to English to German fairly easily with MS Word. Also, many administrators are 40+ and not exactly your most technologically savvy people so they learn one thing and stick with it. Enter Linux and Codeweavers. Hopefully this summer we'll get to start working on setting up a decent network for the main Medical Center. This would be best done using Linux, but you want to retain MS Office. (Ideally we'd have a Linux backbone and W2K terminals, but that costs mucho dinero.) Solution: Install Linux all over with multilingual capabilities and install the CrossOver Office plugin and run Word, Excel, Access, etc on top. Hopefully the CrossOver plugin is more stable than Windows itself. Also, this way local software developers will be able to modify Windows programs to work better with the plugin and hopefully learn to port their apps to Linux as Linux gains a greater toehold in the Middle East. (Or Africa or Central Asia for that matter) Red Kefiyyeh Linux anyone? Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Mar 27 19:04:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: <20020327153418.R8198@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7645D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020327153418.R8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > > Whatcha got against daemontools? I see less reason to object to them > > than to qmail; while I use and like qmail, I can see why it wouldn't > > fit other environments well. But daemontools really do their nice > > simple job very cleanly. However, if your mind's made up never mind. > > Many people have issue with DJB's view of the world. Heck, *I* have issues with DJB's views of the world. Just not to the point of being unwilling to touch something because he touched it first. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 27 19:07:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:08:30PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020327190654.D23157@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:08:30PM -0600, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > MS Office, is actually a pretty decent package. You have a good point -- CrossOver Office could make it possible for businesses to wean themselves from windows gradually instead of having to make a giant blind leap. Plus, the CrossOver Server may eventually be able to serve as a replacement for Windows Terminal Services and Citrix ... http://www.codeweavers.com/products/coming.php Joel From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 27 19:20:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020327174614.D29372@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 05:46:14PM -0600 References: <20020327152950.O8198@real-time.com> <20020327174614.D29372@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020327192015.G8198@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > Hey everyone, let's stop sucking up the bandwidth on ISO's, and instead use > up someone else's with more bandwidth to waste: > > ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/ > > It's a complete mirror, including betas, and it's also very fast for AT&T > users. > > There's also ftp://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/ and www.redhat.com/mirrors Let me restate. We have the bandwidth, it's just that I prefer to give Real Time's paying customers preference to that bandwidth. Thus, I throttle ftp connections to gladiator since most of the bandwidth being consumed there is a "donation" to the open source community. Further, the 50Kb/s does not kick in until over 100Mb, so getting updates, kernels, and most everything does not incur the throttle penalty. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 27 19:49:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020327192015.G8198@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:20:15PM -0600 References: <20020327152950.O8198@real-time.com> <20020327174614.D29372@techmonkeys.org> <20020327192015.G8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020327194921.A7458@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:20:15PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Let me restate. > > We have the bandwidth, it's just that I prefer to give Real Time's paying > customers preference to that bandwidth. Thus, I throttle ftp connections to > gladiator since most of the bandwidth being consumed there is a "donation" to > the open source community. > I wasn't implying that the bandwidth wasn't there, merely that it's better to waste someone else's bandwidth on the ISO's and use Real Time's donated bandwidth on things that are either harder to find, or simply easier to get from there. Many sites mirror redhat stuff, I don't see a lot with apt'ified repositories, or some of the other things being mirrored. > Further, the 50Kb/s does not kick in until over 100Mb, so getting updates, > kernels, and most everything does not incur the throttle penalty. *nod*, a perfectly reasonable policy. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 27 20:05:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:08:30PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> >Linux, but you want to retain MS Office. (Ideally we'd have a Linux >backbone and W2K terminals, but that costs mucho dinero.) a: you can't buy win2k or win2k licenses anymore b: samba does not support winXP as a client to it's PDC services. You can still access files on a samba share, but the network transparency and roaming user support (centrsally located account information and settings) goes away..... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From jmlohren at citilink.com Wed Mar 27 20:19:00 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> Message-ID: <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> I have to disagree. You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been released yet. (They're in Beta 3). And Samba, as of their latest release does work fine with Windows XP clients. I have it setup and running beautifully in my office. JasonL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? From gmcdavid at attbi.com Wed Mar 27 20:33:00 2002 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jason Lohrenz wrote: > I have to disagree. > You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been > released yet. (They're in Beta 3). Yes. I am heavily involved in Win2000 server support at work. AFAIK, we will be buying NT servers for the indefinite future. We still have a lot of NT 4 boxes to replace. On the bright side, I connected to our first Linux server today, a mainframe system running SuSE. Still very much in its infancy. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 20:33:40 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> On 27 Mar 2002 19:08:30 -0600 "Samir M. Nassar" wrote: > MS Office, is actually a pretty decent package. Bloated yes, resource > heavy, yes, but it runs like it should, it is used world-wide and it is > multilingual. For example,. the Health Work Committees in Palestine can > switch from Spanish to Arabic to English to German fairly easily with MS > Word. > I can see where you're going. However, like I was saying I would rather see a full product that is strictly Linux be developed. If MS can do it in a "closed shop" environment, why can't thousands or millions of open source people come up with an app that does the same thing? > Also, many administrators are 40+ and not exactly your most > technologically savvy people so they learn one thing and stick with it. > Not true. I'll disagree with this, to a point. Where I work, we have many people near or over 40 that know a great deal of many things and are constantly learning. This is a software development company, so it might be that I see it more there. However, I know other people who have worked/do work in other companies that aren't so tech savvy that know a great deal more over a vast array of things. The stopping point is that, depending upon one's job/company/career/focus/etc many are pushed into a specific area and are needed/wanted to stay in that area. > Solution: Install Linux all over with multilingual capabilities and > install the CrossOver Office plugin and run Word, Excel, Access, etc on > top. > Again, see my first paragraph. Why is it that we can't have a Linux specific app that is compatible with MS that will save the additional costs or even be open/free software? Again, costs of the Win OS license or the MS app plus having to buy a plugin for that capability. > Hopefully the CrossOver plugin is more stable than Windows itself. > The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. > Also, this way local software developers will be able to modify Windows > programs to work better with the plugin and hopefully learn to port > their apps to Linux as Linux gains a greater toehold in the Middle East. > (Or Africa or Central Asia for that matter) > Understandable here, but the argument still remains: Why develop an app that runs on windows to be virtually run on Linux? Or ported for that fact. Why not take the time to create new apps that have the best of the different Win/Mac/other Os apps? Time better spent IMO. As to Ben's statement of not being able to buy Win2k licenses, I haven't heard that previously. I can't believe that MS would take XP and turn it into it's server line being that it's as unstable and crappy as it is. Shawn From gmcdavid at attbi.com Wed Mar 27 20:37:01 2002 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Glenn McDavid wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jason Lohrenz wrote: > > > I have to disagree. > > You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been > > released yet. (They're in Beta 3). > > Yes. I am heavily involved in Win2000 server support at work. AFAIK, > we will be buying NT servers for the indefinite future. We still have > a lot of NT 4 boxes to replace. Oops! I meant to say we will be buying Win2000 servers. I guess I still have NT very much on my mind..... Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From gmcdavid at attbi.com Wed Mar 27 20:46:39 2002 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Not true. I'll disagree with this, to a point. Where I work, we > have many people near or over 40 that know a great deal of many things > and are constantly learning. [....] I know other people > who have worked/do work in other companies that aren't so tech savvy > that know a great deal more over a vast array of things. FWIW, I work in a large IT shop (Hennepin County). The 6-8 people I know who are openly interested in Linux are all in the 40-50 age group. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 27 21:06:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> Shawn, I'd like to mention that this is an environment where English is definately the first language, and in many cases not even the second language. Also, while literacy is pretty high compared to the rest of the region, computer education is not very widespread. Fine, let us have a Linux specific app. However, unless you have a company or consortium or government body that specifically develops and markets an Arabic or Hindi version of Linux people need Office, or whatever else works. If the CrossOver plug-in does the job and lets them run Linux for everything else then it is worth it. One day we'll have Arabic development tools for Linux, as well as applications with Arabic support. Until then, my Kefiyyeh is off to Codeweavers. OTOH, there is a perfect market for Linux in the Middle East. Older computers, low income, need for hi-tech OS's. A company that invests into selling Arabic + Hebrew Linux solutions could make tons of money in support from the Oil Sheiks, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt. All MSFT can offer is an overpriced OS with over priced apps. At least with CrossOver you can cut the overpriced OS. Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Mar 27 21:26:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer>; from jmlohren@citilink.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:19:16PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> Message-ID: <20020327212612.D1078@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:19:16PM -0600, Jason Lohrenz wrote: >I have to disagree. >You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been Uhhh. Whatever. >released yet. (They're in Beta 3). >And Samba, as of their latest release does work fine with Windows XP >clients. I have it setup and running beautifully in my office. Uhhh... y?ah... sure... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020327/c4ebc337/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Wed Mar 27 21:41:39 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: network flaking out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032721400600.01022@geezer> On Tuesday 26 March 2002 14:34, Munir Nassar wrote: > i beg to differ, i have had only the best from 3com cards. though i would > like to know what kind of peoblems you have had... When it comes to 905B's I have to agree with the nay-sayers. I had a situation up in Duluth where systems would randomly drop off the network. Unfortunately often happened between classes, in classrooms used by the general business courses not the Network program courses. Initially we assumed faulty wires. (Some students had done the original cabling with less then stellar results.) This was corrected and all cables tested good with a simple end-to-end tester. (Its all we had.) We eventually switched to Linksys mainly because when we needed an extra hub we got a Linksys hub and it came with a box of 10 cards. When the hub worked out and we needed a couple of more we ended up with a total of 20-25 cards. As 3Com cards failed we replaced them with the Linksys cards. Never had a problem with those Linksys cards. We eventually used all of the Linksys cards. The 3Com cards were kept in a box marked "suspect" and used in case of emergancy or in the Repair class lab. Since that experience I stick to Linksys and D-Link cards. I have had better luck with them. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jmlohren at citilink.com Wed Mar 27 22:14:00 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> <20020327212612.D1078@sistina.com> Message-ID: <001201c1d60f$0bfc6b70$02fea8c0@gomer> Based on your inteligent responses I'm not going to explain my statements any further. I'm the IT Manager for a corporation that has offices here in Mpls, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, LA, and Honolulu. With my MS contract, I think they'd let me know if I couldn't get anymore W2K servers/licences...in fact, I just got a few licences last week. As for XP. Maybe you should stroll over to www.samba.org and read their documentation....and their changelog. It might help you out. JasonL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 22:59:39 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> <1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020327230221.67a43b7f.fertch@mninter.net> Samir, I'm not trying to get into an argument over this. I do see the validity of your view, as I think you probably see mine. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that while I do see a need for plug-ins and emulators for situations such as have been mentioned between us and others, I think that someone would be able to develop and release a product that matches or surpasses MS Office and other Windows apps. As to region specific areas (middle east, far east, etc), yes this would be a "stepping stone" if you will. Heck, I even see it as one for here and in other countries that have the technology arena fairly setup. As to a company, consortium or such entity for Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Dutch, even English languages that oversee such process and development I have no problem. But in most cases do you think a government would be the wisest choice for this? IMO, I think that an open souce community could develop something such as this just as well if not better. Of course this would be given that there are enough people working on it with enough time on their hands who know the intended language. For example, look at the various open source projects out there right now. While maybe not the best run or managed they get the job done to varying degrees. To touch on your statement of there being a perfect market for the Middle East, I agree. But, I also feel that it holds true in many parts of the world including here in America. Schools, government, non-profit organizations, even profit companies could greatly benefit from switching over to Linux. However, many such places are fearful of it because of lack of training and support. I've worked with a sysadmin who refuses to use any open source product that doesn't come shipped with the OS (HP-UX in his case) because he couldn't get support otherwise. We tried arguing the point with him and he was closed-minded and wouldn't even think of it anymore. Best of luck on your submission to CodeWeavers. Shawn From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 27 23:23:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327230221.67a43b7f.fertch@mninter.net> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> <1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> <20020327230221.67a43b7f.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <1017293845.5875.31.camel@yafa> Shawn, I do see your point. And I do pretty much agree. In a perfect world we'd treat Open Sourse Software development as a national resource, supported by independents, consortiums, private companies and quasi-independent tax supported Open Source Institutes. I see no reason why not to tie Open Source development to national universities. It offers free development tools, it would be good funding, and all resulting projects would end up helping build the national infrastructure, especially in poor countries. Stupid governments will decide to dictate what projects should be worked on and see their stuff fail. Smart governments will manage their needs with funding for 'needed' areas. This is probably too idealistic, but I'd like to see universities get famous for open source encryption programs, while others become famous for file system design or Interface design. I wish I was in a position to make a submission to Codeweavers. I am trying to learn more about Linux and OSS in general without causing my brain to segfault.... Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' From joellist at litriusgroup.com Wed Mar 27 23:26:01 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there><20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net><1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa><20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net><1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> <20020327230221.67a43b7f.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <00d501c1d629$9aa06290$7f02a8c0@destro> >I think that someone would be able to develop and >release a product that matches or surpasses MS Office >and other Windows apps. wrap your hands around the handle of the bat, and step up to the plate. From fertch at mninter.net Wed Mar 27 23:41:01 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <00d501c1d629$9aa06290$7f02a8c0@destro> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> <1017285628.1378.70.camel@yafa> <20020327230221.67a43b7f.fertch@mninter.net> <00d501c1d629$9aa06290$7f02a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <20020327234532.2a6dcf91.fertch@mninter.net> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:24:30 -0800 "destr0" wrote: > >I think that someone would be able to develop and >release a product > that > matches or surpasses MS Office >and other Windows apps. > > wrap your hands around the handle of the bat, and step up to the plate. > See reference of original post: " Oh, and before someone says "code it yourself," I would if I knew how. I can barely write system scripts unfortunately." Shawn From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 27 23:47:02 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: Sorta [OT]: SETI@home (was: Re: [TCLUG] process monitoring) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Mar 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Bob Tanner writes: > > Here is what I use for my setiathome script. Homebrew. > > Based on their recent web page, they'd like you to put a delay in > there so if it failed to connect, it didn't retry immediately. Seems > their server gets really hammered :-). Recent? I'm 90% sure they had that warning a year ago, when I signed up. On a side note, there's now a TCLUG SETI@home team. There is (little) more information available at http://seti.tclug.org/ , and more importantly, a link to the team page at the SETI@home site (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_135861.html -- should I really have that memorized?). Also found at that site is a small, hacked-together RPM with the setiathome client for a couple platforms (i386/i686/ppc/sparc), and a shell script that creates a directory in which to run setiathome, and restarts the program if it dies (as per SETI's instructions). The RPMs are built for RedHat 6.2, and the SRPM doesn't actually contain source (SETI only distributes binaries). It's not much, but it's a start. And before anyone comments, I know the web page isn't pretty. I'm a system administrator, not a web designer. Jima From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Mar 27 23:56:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:37:24PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327203724.60c1ade2.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20020327235532.E23157@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:37:24PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On 27 Mar 2002 19:08:30 -0600 > "Samir M. Nassar" wrote: > > > MS Office, is actually a pretty decent package. Bloated yes, resource > > heavy, yes, but it runs like it should, it is used world-wide and it is > > multilingual. For example,. the Health Work Committees in Palestine can > > switch from Spanish to Arabic to English to German fairly easily with MS > > Word. > > > I can see where you're going. However, like I was saying I would > rather see a full product that is strictly Linux be developed. If MS > can do it in a "closed shop" environment, why can't thousands or > millions of open source people come up with an app that does the same > thing? You seem to be overlooking the fact that M$ already wields monopoly power in the relevant market [1] [2]. Knocking out the OS portion of Microsoft's monopoly could go a long way toward breaking its iron grip on the desktop, and thereby create a lot of breathing room for linux. In addition, the CrossOver Server should eventually be a big hit, because companies will be able to stop paying big $$$$ per year to Microsoft and Citrix just so they can remotely run software they already own on Windows. You may also be interested to learn that, as suggested by Codeweavers CEO Jeremy White [3], WINE plans to adopt a copyleft style license [4]. Joel 1. http://www.albion.com/microsoft/ 2. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/ 3. http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2002/02/0089.html 4. http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2002/02/0659.html -- WINE - Wine Is Not an Emulator http://www.winehq.com/ http://wine.codeweavers.com/ From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 00:35:01 2002 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: <20020328063501.QMWK1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@there> On Wednesday 27 March 2002 11:44 am, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive > or negative results with this product? Just wanted to add that of the 20+ replies on my orginal post, only about 2 actually addressed my question. What a controversy I started...but the comments made interesting reading. From webmaster at aardvarko.com Thu Mar 28 03:04:04 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auto-renice-er? Message-ID: I've been using a modified version of Apache::Album on my machine; it's been modified to support Photoshop files, PDFs, and other such interesting formats. The only problem is that ImageMagick (and the re-coding that I've done) likes to call external programs to process these; these (gs, convert, montage, etc.) guzzle down a few hundred megs of RAM like candy.\ It seems to make the box more responsive if I renice these processes to 10 or so. Is there any sort of daemon available that automatically renices processes matching a regexp? This would be handy in other circumstances - auto-nicing bash to -5, squid to -10 or so, and the occasional analog process to something low. Thanks! -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 28 03:07:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > a: you can't buy win2k or win2k licenses anymore > > b: samba does not support winXP as a client to it's PDC services. You > can still access files on a samba share, but the network transparency > and roaming user support (centrsally located account information and > settings) goes away..... eh? works for me.. you just have to do the registry patch that disables 'sign or seal' support. at least, i know the user profiles work, not sure what you mean by 'network transparency'.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Mar 28 04:39:01 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent Message-ID: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com> Hello, I've been messing around with iptables and ip aliasing on a redhat 7.2 box and everything seems to be coming together but whenever I reboot all my changes go away when the startup scripts are run. Anyway there are about a million places that startup information is being stored so I'm wondering where each of my statements should go. Is there a good source online (HOWTO, faq, etc...) that describes what goes where and the order in which things should happen? Thanks, Ben (longing for autoexec.bat) From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 28 06:40:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent In-Reply-To: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:37:11AM -0600 References: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020328064035.A9650@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:37:11AM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > I've been messing around with iptables and ip aliasing on a redhat 7.2 > box and everything seems to be coming together but whenever I reboot all > my changes go away when the startup scripts are run. Anyway there are > about a million places that startup information is being stored so I'm > wondering where each of my statements should go. Is there a good source > online (HOWTO, faq, etc...) that describes what goes where and the order > in which things should happen? You can use linuxconf (cough, gag) for the IP aliases, or /etc/rc.d/rc.local, as for the iptables rules you should use the iptables 'service' as follows: chkconfig --level 3 iptables on ^- This turns on the iptables 'service' (it's probably already on, but do it anyway) After you've configured the rules how you want them, or make new changes: /etc/init.d/iptables save This will save the rules to a file hiding in /etc/sysconfig somewhere so that when you reboot it will restore them exactly how you had them. /etc/init.d/iptables also has some other useful commands: stop: turn off all iptables rules start: manual start, loads saved rules restart: clear the rules, and reload from the saved file status: print out the current rules panic: turn the system into a black hole and drop *everything* (not a good idea to do this remotely) > Thanks, > Ben (longing for autoexec.bat) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From bgilbertson at stonel.com Thu Mar 28 06:47:39 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3CA310B3.7A4443EF@stonel.com> heh, But will VB apps run properly? (AnnaK., I luv U, etc.) One more choice available. Choices are good. Bob On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:44:21 -0600 Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is using the new CrossOver Office plugin? Positive or > negative results with this product? > > I must say congrats to CodeWeavers...keep up the good work! From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 28 07:10:41 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer>; from jmlohren@citilink.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:19:16PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> Message-ID: <20020328070921.D11936@real-time.com> Quoting Jason Lohrenz (jmlohren@citilink.com): > I have to disagree. > You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been > released yet. (They're in Beta 3). > And Samba, as of their latest release does work fine with Windows XP > clients. I have it setup and running beautifully in my office. Could you post the release/build of your instance of XP? Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 28 07:14:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent In-Reply-To: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:37:11AM -0600 References: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020328071414.E11936@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): > Hello, > I've been messing around with iptables and ip aliasing on a redhat 7.2 > box and everything seems to be coming together but whenever I reboot all > my changes go away when the startup scripts are run. Anyway there are > about a million places that startup information is being stored so I'm > wondering where each of my statements should go. Is there a good source > online (HOWTO, faq, etc...) that describes what goes where and the order > in which things should happen? % man iptables-save save the output to /etc/sysconfig/iptables (at least under Redhat) Start up files are -all- in 1 place, /etc/rc.d/init.d Config files are -all- in /etc (stock redhat) or subdirectories in /etc -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jmlohren at citilink.com Thu Mar 28 07:19:01 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> <20020328070921.D11936@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002b01c1d65b$18341900$02fea8c0@gomer> 5.1.2600 Build 2600 XP Professional ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? > Quoting Jason Lohrenz (jmlohren@citilink.com): > > I have to disagree. > > You CAN get w2k and w2k licences still. the .NET servers haven't been > > released yet. (They're in Beta 3). > > And Samba, as of their latest release does work fine with Windows XP > > clients. I have it setup and running beautifully in my office. > > Could you post the release/build of your instance of XP? > > Thanks. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 28 07:20:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: <001201c1d60f$0bfc6b70$02fea8c0@gomer>; from jmlohren@citilink.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:14:25PM -0600 References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> <1017277710.1376.34.camel@yafa> <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> <002e01c1d5fe$f7dd75e0$02fea8c0@gomer> <20020327212612.D1078@sistina.com> <001201c1d60f$0bfc6b70$02fea8c0@gomer> Message-ID: <20020328072044.A2277@sistina.com> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:14:25PM -0600, Jason Lohrenz wrote: >Based on your inteligent responses I'm not going to explain my statements >any further. I'm the IT Manager for a corporation that has offices here in >Mpls, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, LA, and Honolulu. With my MS contract, I >think they'd let me know if I couldn't get anymore W2K servers/licences...in >fact, I just got a few licences last week. You are my hero. > >As for XP. Maybe you should stroll over to www.samba.org and read their >documentation....and their changelog. It might help you out. > >JasonL > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ben Lutgens" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:26 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/9f946f92/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 28 07:23:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:06:46AM -0600 References: <20020327200518.B1078@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020328072254.B2277@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:06:46AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: >eh? works for me.. you just have to do the registry patch that disables >'sign or seal' support. at least, i know the user profiles work, not sure >what you mean by 'network transparency'.. Yeah that's a really crappy way to describe the centralized account information and user profile storage. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/61f1a542/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Mar 28 08:32:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auto-renice-er? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020328083133.A632@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:58:51AM -0600, aardvarko wrote: > Is there any sort of daemon available that automatically renices processes > matching a regexp? Not that I know of, though it probably wouldn't be that hard to write in perl. Or you could replace the binary with a script that calls nice on the binary. For example for gs: %mv gs gs.bin And then in a script called gs: #!/bin/sh nice +10 gs.bin $* -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 28 08:42:41 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auto-renice-er? In-Reply-To: ; from webmaster@aardvarko.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:58:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020328084120.A23264@sherohman.org> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:58:51AM -0600, aardvarko wrote: > Is there any sort of daemon available that automatically renices processes > matching a regexp? I knew I'd seen something like that once... Looks like this should fit the bill: ~$ apt-cache show and Package: and Description: Auto Nice Daemon The auto nice daemon activates itself in certain intervals and renices jobs according to their priority and CPU usage. Jobs owned by root are left alone. Jobs are never increased in their priority. . The renice intervals can be adjusted as well as the default nice level and the activation intervals. A priority database stores user/group/job tuples along with their renice values for three CPU usage time ranges. Negative nice levels are interpreted as signals to be sent to a process, triggered by CPU usage; this way, Netscapes going berserk can be killed automatically. The strategy for searching the priority database can be configured. . AND also provides network-wide configuration files with host-specific sections, as well as wildcard/regexp support for commands in the priority database. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From estabroo at talkware.net Thu Mar 28 09:11:01 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <20020327174239.GGLU2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> <20020327181325.37f3ea11.fertch@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3CA33252.2020109@talkware.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:44:21 -0600 > Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > > I understand that MS has a foothold on much of the business world in terms of Office programs as well as desktops and what I'd call "low end" servers, meaning no big powerhouses like Unix/AS400/etc. As well as them continually coming up with whatever else the have in programs. NOt to mention a lot of really good games being built for Windows, unfortunately not for Linux. > But, here's what I can't figure out. If the alternative is to get away from Windows, or MS entirely, to save money or the like I don't see this as the answer. Pardon if I'm wrong, but my understanding on these programs like Wine, VMWare, Win4Lin, with Win4Lin and VMWare you still need Windows. With Wine you don't, it's a windows replacement (or emulator if you will :). If you happen to have the windows dlls it can use them, but it doesn't need them at all. Eric From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Mar 28 10:00:02 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Lotus Notes mail -- plain text configuration] Message-ID: <1017331162.5048.4.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Someone asked about using plain text in Lotus Notes-based email. This is the response I got from my Domino admin. Hope this helps, Dave -----Forwarded Message----- > First check how the location document is setup. > From the Notes Client > 1. Click File - Preferences - Location Preferences > 2. Click the mail tab on the Location document > The default setting at the bottom should be set to 'Notes Rich > Text Format' > > Change User Preferences > From Notes Client > 1. Click File - Preferences - User Preferences > 2. Click the mail and news icon on the left side > 3. Change the internet mail format to Text only. > > Try this first to see if this works. If this does not work, go back to the > location document and change the last > setting to MIME format. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/0bd78e9b/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Mar 28 10:26:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? Message-ID: Where do you get "a."? If your "a." was strickly true all hell would broken loose by now. Bet on it. I am lucky (good or bad, who knows) in regard to "b.". I've been told that licensing requirements for XP violate MN state law with regard to private data (at very least the kind I and mine tend), so I probably won't see it anytime soon. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/27/02 08:05PM >>> >Linux, but you want to retain MS Office. (Ideally we'd have a Linux >backbone and W2K terminals, but that costs mucho dinero.) a: you can't buy win2k or win2k licenses anymore b: samba does not support winXP as a client to it's PDC services. You can still access files on a samba share, but the network transparency and roaming user support (centrsally located account information and settings) goes away..... From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Mar 28 10:31:36 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D764B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > > Whatcha got against daemontools? I see less reason to > object to them > > than to qmail; while I use and like qmail, I can see why it wouldn't > > fit other environments well. But daemontools really do their nice > > simple job very cleanly. However, if your mind's made up > never mind. > > Many people have issue with DJB's view of the world. I run daemontools on several of my boxes for various things, and while it does work, I have problems with it looping and starting a whole bunch of the same process sometimes. In this particular case, I need to have something that *won't* screw up because of the nature of what this particular process does. Jay > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Thu Mar 28 10:33:01 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Lotus Notes mail -- plain text configuration] In-Reply-To: <1017331162.5048.4.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: I thought about this some more. You said that this was a web-based solution - do people even have access to the notes client? Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 28 10:52:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:25:25AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020328105221.A1168@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:25:25AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: >Where do you get "a."? Probably heresy. I was told that Microsoft was planning to "Discontinue" Win2k and require people to upgrade" Some bullshit about the EULA. Naturally this made me a little nervous since I'd read on the samba mailing lists that support for XP was non-existent for PDC (which has probably changed according to Nate's success) and since I use a samba PDC here.... I grabbed a copy of XP and slapped it up in vmware to give it a go and had little luck. It appeared that it joined the domain o.k. till i tried to login at which point i was promptly told that "The trust relationship to the server has been lost" which I had determined to be related to the RPC changes I'd read about. Nate, if you've got some linkage handy with regard to the registry hack I'd apprecitate it. Otherwise now that I know what to look for I'll look myself. >I am lucky (good or bad, who knows) in >regard to "b.". Hey, it maybe less "functional" than a true M$ PDC but it sure beats the hell out of the licensing and headache of maintaining a NT/2k server... I'd rather suck lint out of a dryer vent than admin M$ products, but that's just me. > >I've been told that licensing requirements >for XP violate MN state law with regard to >private data (at very least the kind I and >mine tend), so I probably won't see it >anytime soon. God I hope you're right. I kinda like Win2k (for my users) and would be sad to see it go in favor of XP. Thus far i'm not impressed with it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/041ddae1/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Mar 28 10:54:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] process monitoring In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D764B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:30:56AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D764B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020328105424.B1168@sistina.com> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:30:56AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >I run daemontools on several of my boxes for various things, and while it >does work, I have problems with it looping and starting a whole bunch of the >same process sometimes. In this particular case, I need to have something >that *won't* screw up because of the nature of what this particular process >does. Personally I'd rather be notified that a service has stopped and handle it manually. Daemontools is a bit draconian in that it just continues to restart and to my knowlege you can't stick a "wait 5 minutes" or "try 10 times then email me" sorta logic in there. Some shit needs a reasoning carbon-based life-form to riddle out the problem when good services go bad :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/81233b7b/attachment.pgp From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu Mar 28 13:20:02 2002 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D7648B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3CA24CEA.20404@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <3CA36CF8.4070107@cruiskeen.com> Steve Hanson wrote: > I just bought it. I really liked the crossover plugin for the web. > Unfortunately I don't have > any of my CD's here with me at work. > > But tomorrow I should be able to know about Office 2000 and Quicken. > This will come very close to fixing it so I never have to boot windows > again. > Well, as an early data point - I brought it up on my laptop this morning. I installed Office. So far things look pretty good. IE doesnt work very well, but it's not supposed to be supported. Word and Powerpoint looked fine as far as first tests go. Pretty Nifty, actually. My first attempt at trying to install Quicken failed miserably - it won't install. This appears may be because their installer really only seems to want to run something called setup.exe. I'll look into that more when I get a chance. From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Mar 28 15:28:00 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there References: <3CA2F257.82278F29@ppdonline.com> <20020328064035.A9650@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3CA379BC.11027A4F@ppdonline.com> "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > That helps a lot thanks. I have one more thing I'd like to add somewhere maybe one of you knows of a quick way to do this one too. To turn on ip forwarding I've been using... echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Since that's going to the proc filesystem do I have to be careful about where in the initialization I do this (make sure that proc is mounted first)? Is there a better way to tell the system to turn ip forwarding on? Thanks, Ben. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Mar 28 17:24:01 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: <3CA379BC.11027A4F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: I use Debian, so things may be slightly different. Anyway, Debian uses /etc/init.d/networking to configure the network interfaces at boot. I threw the "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" command in there. Not the best idea really, a dist-upgrade could blow that away if the networking script gets updated, but it works. Doesn't RedHat have an rc.local hack? Or did they finially do away with that? In any case, anytime I need to run something on boot I write a init.d script for it. It's really easy, Debian even includes /etc/init.d/skeleton, which is basically a template for init.d scripts. The two options I'm aware of are rc.local and write your own init.d script. There is probally a way to do it with checkcfg/linuxconf, but I don't use Red Hat so I'm not aware of it. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 28 17:32:45 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: References: <3CA379BC.11027A4F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020328233127.GA3206@iucha.net> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:24:11PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I use Debian, so things may be slightly different. Anyway, Debian uses > /etc/init.d/networking to configure the network interfaces at boot. I > threw the "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" command in there. Not > the best idea really, a dist-upgrade could blow that away if the > networking script gets updated, but it works. I think you should add net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/d1333df0/attachment.pgp From cgahlon at citilink.com Thu Mar 28 17:36:02 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: GPG/PGP Key repository? (was: Re: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg) In-Reply-To: <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> Since were on the subject of GPG/PGP... Is there a repository for tclug member public keys? Christopher Gahlon From webmaster at aardvarko.com Thu Mar 28 17:51:01 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auto-renice-er? In-Reply-To: <20020328084120.A23264@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > I knew I'd seen something like that once... Looks like this should > fit the bill: > > ~$ apt-cache show and > Package: and > > Description: Auto Nice Daemon Thank you! :-) -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:41 > To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux. Org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Auto-renice-er? From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 28 18:01:03 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:24:11PM -0600 References: <3CA379BC.11027A4F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020328180120.G9650@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:24:11PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I use Debian, so things may be slightly different. Anyway, Debian uses > /etc/init.d/networking to configure the network interfaces at boot. I > threw the "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" command in there. Not > the best idea really, a dist-upgrade could blow that away if the > networking script gets updated, but it works. > RedHat doesn't require a 'hack' for this, it's supported via the init scripts. > Doesn't RedHat have an rc.local hack? Or did they finially do away with > that? hack? it's simply an rc.local script. > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Mar 28 19:14:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Office plugin...results anyone? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D764F3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > My first attempt at trying to install Quicken failed miserably - it > won't install. This appears may be because their installer > really only > seems to want to run something called setup.exe. Rename the quicken installer to setup.exe. :) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Mar 28 19:32:00 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: GPG/PGP Key repository? (was: Re: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg) In-Reply-To: <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> Message-ID: <20020329013230.GB623@8ball.wox.org> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:36:06PM -0600, Christopher Gahlon wrote: > Since were on the subject of GPG/PGP... > > Is there a repository for tclug member public keys? I just put the following line in my ~/.gnupg/options and it catches most of the keys: keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net Of course, not everybody has their keys on the internet keyservers so I'll take this opportunity: Put your keys on the internet keyservers, if you use www.keyserver.net it generally propogates to the other servers Also, I've been meaning to ask if we should do key-signings at the TCLUG meetings, since I'd like to have more trusted keys than just mine. -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3CA3DC82.50201@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: > What is the best way to share a folder and/or disk between my Linux > desktop/NAT/Firewall and the Windows98 desktop on my internal network? Samba. It's really not terribly difficult to set up, especially if you install Webmin and use the Webmin:Samba interface. What distribution of Linux are you using? -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Erickson > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 21:16 > To: Linux Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... From dave at rightwithgod.org Thu Mar 28 22:09:00 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... References: Message-ID: <3CA3E8E9.3000902@rightwithgod.org> aardvarko wrote: >>What is the best way to share a folder and/or disk between my Linux >>desktop/NAT/Firewall and the Windows98 desktop on my internal network? >> > >Samba. It's really not terribly difficult to set up, especially if you >install Webmin and use the Webmin:Samba interface. What distribution of >Linux are you using? > I am using Slackware 8 I thought about Samba but it seems kind of overkill. Is there much overhead having it running all the time? Or can I just start it up when I want to move files? Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? I have all SCSI on my Linux box and would never want to pollute it with IDE/ATAPI ;-) but the drive are so much less and are outdated so fast it would be a nice work around if you could do it. ie: 'cdrecord /mnt/samba/windows_box/cdrw_drive/file.iso' Thanks! -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From wilson at isis.visi.com Thu Mar 28 22:12:00 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing mod_ssl on Debian Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm trying to configure SSL on my Apache server. Using apt-get I did did an 'apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl' but the installation apparently didn't go smoothly because apache wouldn't restart. I replace httpd.conf with the one I was using before the upgrade and I was back online. I just want to know if what I did *should* have worked. Presumably, I would have to go in and set some apache directives to actually begin using SSL. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Mar 28 22:17:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing mod_ssl on Debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Tim Wilson wrote: > I just want to know if what I did *should* have worked. Presumably, I > would have to go in and set some apache directives to actually begin > using SSL. I've never liked those methods of installing components upon components upon components that each depend on the previous one during build. Never worked for me. However, check the error log - if apache isn't starting it should tell you why in there. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Mar 28 22:19:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: <3CA3E8E9.3000902@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: Hello, On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Dave Erickson wrote: > I thought about Samba but it seems kind of overkill. Is there much > overhead having it running all the time? Or can I just start it up when > I want to move files? You can have Samba run through inetd, and then it won't be running all the time. > Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? I've done that. It didn't work too well on 10baseT but works fine on 100baseT. Actually I might've used NFS rather than Samba... I guess check the transfer rate you get and chat rate you need to feed the CDR with. -Yaron -- From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Mar 28 22:27:00 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Lotus Notes mail -- plain text configuration] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really don't know. My friend told me that she had to install something onto her computer (i'm guessing some sort of a plugin) in order for it to work properly. But when I was putzing with it, it was a completely web-based thing (though it seemed odd, some options you had to double click and right click and stuff) Anyway, one of the guys that replied to me was replying from @nwc.edu which happens to be the college that my friend is at, so I forwarded his reply to her, since I'm assuming that guy knows what he's dealing with. Thanks for all your help, everyone. - Kremer On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > I thought about this some more. You said that this was a web-based > solution - do people even have access to the notes client? > > Liz From dave at rightwithgod.org Thu Mar 28 22:31:00 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... References: Message-ID: <3CA3EE18.7060200@rightwithgod.org> Yaron wrote: > Hello, > >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Dave Erickson wrote: > >>I thought about Samba but it seems kind of overkill. Is there much >>overhead having it running all the time? Or can I just start it up when >>I want to move files? >> > >You can have Samba run through inetd, and then it won't be running all the >time. > >>Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? >> > >I've done that. It didn't work too well on 10baseT but works fine on >100baseT. > >Actually I might've used NFS rather than Samba... I guess check the >transfer rate you get and chat rate you need to feed the CDR with. > > >-Yaron > I have a 100baseT network. What about ieeeee1394 firewire? I have seen networking kits for windows over firewire and they presumable exist for Macs, but how about on Linux? -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From erik at ehanson.net Thu Mar 28 22:33:01 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020328222831.00a93898@ehanson.net> I know this is not an OpenBSD list but I do not know where else to turn. I am running OpenBSD 2.9 on an old Dell P-166 with an S3 Trio64V+ and X configures and tests correctly but whenever I try to the startx I get an error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" or '800x0' if I try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or anyone able to point me in a better direction? Thanks. -Erik From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Mar 28 22:49:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: <3CA3E8E9.3000902@rightwithgod.org> References: <3CA3E8E9.3000902@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <20020328224829.2002a4bc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Erickson wrote: > > I am using Slackware 8 > > I thought about Samba but it seems kind of overkill. Is there much > overhead having it running all the time? Or can I just start it up when > I want to move files? Samba can pretty much run either way. Debian testing/unstable's package will prompt you and ask if you'd like to have Samba run on-demand via [x]inetd, or if you'd like it to be always running as a daemon. Shouldn't be too hard to configure on Slack if you like, or just have a script to start/stop the daemons that you run by hand. However, I've never really had a need to turn off Samba if it was on a system where the service would actually get used. > Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? I > have all SCSI on my Linux box and would never want to pollute it with > IDE/ATAPI ;-) but the drive are so much less and are outdated so fast it > would be a nice work around if you could do it. ie: 'cdrecord > /mnt/samba/windows_box/cdrw_drive/file.iso' You can't use Samba and cdrecord to burn to a CD on a Windows system, if that's what you're looking for. But, if you're just reading a file over the network to burn locally, that's easy enough. You'll probably want to be running over Fast Ethernet, though. Switched 10Meg Ethernet will only be fast enough up to a certain point -- 6x would be pushing it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Were they sent to Hell?" / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ "Worse. Wisconsin." \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) -- Dogma [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020328/97377cad/attachment.pgp From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 28 22:52:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020328222831.00a93898@ehanson.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020328222831.00a93898@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <1762.162.96.162.68.1017377515.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > I get an error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" > or '800x0' if I try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or Did you check the config file? It might be a case of bad entries in the XFree conf file. -- Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds.' From mike at jentges.net Fri Mar 29 01:28:04 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? I've done that. It didn't work too well on 10baseT but works fine on 100baseT. Actually I might've used NFS rather than Samba... I guess check the transfer rate you get and chat rate you need to feed the CDR with. You've actually burned directly from a remote box to a local CDR across the wire? I've never even tried, given the fact that even many CDROM drives are too slow to keep up with the burner, I just assumed that there's no way that would work. Are you sure about this? :) -MJ From mike at jentges.net Fri Mar 29 01:37:01 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing mod_ssl on Debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm trying to configure SSL on my Apache server. Using apt-get I did did an 'apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl' but the installation apparently didn't go smoothly because apache wouldn't restart. I replace httpd.conf with the one I was using before the upgrade and I was back online. I just want to know if what I did *should* have worked. Presumably, I would have to go in and set some apache directives to actually begin using SSL. -Tim ----------------------------- Well I don't know if apt-get edits apache's config file or not, but under normal curcumstances this is required, but usually done/taken care of when mod_ssl configures the apache source tree. Might want to just build this one the old fashioned way, but thats me. I don't care for the package stuff for the most part, unless it's an experimental thing and I need it quick, fast and simple. For the real world, I'd just as soon build/config it myself. Sometimes you can even learn something from those silly docs. :) -MJ From josh at greentechnologist.org Fri Mar 29 07:44:00 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020328222831.00a93898@ehanson.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (this message and your original really belong on misc@openbsd.org (as I post from my OpenBSD 3.0 box http://www.greentechnologist.org ;-)) The normal configuration scripts xf86cfg, XF86Setup, xf86config, xf86config3 at /usr/X11R6/bin. You should have a section in /etc/X11/XF86Config that goes roughly like this. Note the double-quote marks. Section "Screen" Subsection Display Depth 16 Modes "1284x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection EndSection Joshua b. Jore http://www.greentechnologist.org On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > I know this is not an OpenBSD list but I do not know where else to turn. > I am running OpenBSD 2.9 on an old Dell P-166 with an S3 Trio64V+ and X > configures and tests correctly but whenever I try to the startx I get an > error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" or '800x0' if I > try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or anyone able to point me in > a better direction? > Thanks. > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8pHISfexLsowstzcRAnngAKCrv2fmjm07yP9zg6FZKDumjIBY6ACgmoLb 9XJEGiJ+YravQANcHwhltfM= =M9q2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gsker at tcfreenet.org Fri Mar 29 08:16:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: <20020328233127.GA3206@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020329081610.U98025-100000@tcfreenet.org> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > I think you should add > net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 > to /etc/sysctl.conf Close. s%/%.%g net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 BTW, try /sbin/sysctl -a Gerry -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Mar 29 08:45:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy tool Message-ID: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> On the Windows side I use Ghost to duplicate drives. Is there a tool or software to do the same in Linux? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From mike at jentges.net Fri Mar 29 08:54:01 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy tool In-Reply-To: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On the Windows side I use Ghost to duplicate drives. Is there a tool or software to do the same in Linux? -- MJ Wrote: Ghost 6 will do ext2, but usually have to boot from floppy/CD first time and run lilo for some reason. Otherwise it worked fine. At least thats been my experience. Newer versions of ghost might be better. -MJ From erik at ehanson.net Fri Mar 29 09:09:43 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020328222831.00a93898@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020329090538.00a71ce8@ehanson.net> I have a number of those "Screen" sections in my file, and instead of the standard resolutions they say "800x0". Any ideas how to fix it? Thanks. -Erik At 07:54 AM 3/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >(this message and your original really belong on misc@openbsd.org (as I >post from my OpenBSD 3.0 box http://www.greentechnologist.org ;-)) > >The normal configuration scripts xf86cfg, XF86Setup, xf86config, >xf86config3 at /usr/X11R6/bin. You should have a section in >/etc/X11/XF86Config that goes roughly like this. Note the double-quote >marks. > >Section "Screen" > Subsection Display > Depth 16 > Modes "1284x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubsection >EndSection > >Joshua b. Jore >http://www.greentechnologist.org > >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > > > I know this is not an OpenBSD list but I do not know where else to turn. > > I am running OpenBSD 2.9 on an old Dell P-166 with an S3 Trio64V+ and X > > configures and tests correctly but whenever I try to the startx I get an > > error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" or '800x0' if I > > try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or anyone able to point me in > > a better direction? > > Thanks. > > -Erik > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE8pHISfexLsowstzcRAnngAKCrv2fmjm07yP9zg6FZKDumjIBY6ACgmoLb >9XJEGiJ+YravQANcHwhltfM= >=M9q2 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Mar 29 09:11:18 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy tool In-Reply-To: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:43:51AM -0600 References: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020329090750.E23922@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:43:51AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > On the Windows side I use Ghost to duplicate drives. Is there a tool or > software to do the same in Linux? Mondo Rescue offers capabilities similar to Norton Ghost: http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ Haven't yet had a chance to try it myself, but it seems to be popular. Joel From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Mar 29 09:24:00 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy tool In-Reply-To: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020329092355.A1913@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:43:51AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > On the Windows side I use Ghost to duplicate drives. Is there a tool or > software to do the same in Linux? Commands to do the equivalent are built into Linux. Take a look at the "Ghetto Ghost" threads from last summer [1],[2],[3]. 1. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-May/035331.html 2. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-June/037143.html 3. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-June/037381.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Everything old is new again |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 29 10:06:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020329090538.00a71ce8@ehanson.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > I have a number of those "Screen" sections in my file, and instead of the > standard resolutions they say "800x0". > Any ideas how to fix it? > Thanks. > -Erik what i usually do is this: #vim /etc/X11/XF86Config i position the curser under the 0, i press i to go into insert mode and type in 60 :cq X should work fine now -munir From rotbau at squishnet.com Fri Mar 29 10:34:01 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: drivecopy tool Message-ID: <1017419635.1rotbau@squishnet.com> >> Ghost 6 will do ext2, but usually have to boot from >> floppy/CD first time and run lilo for some reason. >> Otherwise it worked fine. I am using Ghost 6 also and it does work fine. I also had to boot to a floppy and then run lilo to get the restored drive to boot, but other then that it does work well. Version before 6 appear don't appear to work. I have 7.5 on the way, if you are interested I can post the results of that when I get it. rotbau From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 29 10:35:26 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mac Message-ID: <20020329163506.2F43F60305@friday.localdomain.fake> Does anyone who whas gotten Linux working on a mack know if they are netbootable? The basic idea I want to explore is setting up a LTSP lab with some old Macs as X-Terms (for a school environment) Booting off floppy wouldnt be terrible either- but the idea is minimal setup for each: have everything be NFS or remote in some way so that individual machines dont need to be set up. Any hints would be great. Jay From dave at rightwithgod.org Fri Mar 29 11:40:02 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... References: <3CA3DC82.50201@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: <3CA4A6D9.9050508@rightwithgod.org> Dave Erickson wrote: > What is the best way to share a folder and/or disk between my Linux > desktop/NAT/Firewall and the Windows98 desktop on my internal network? Ok, I compiled and installed Samba and I can now see the windows disks with the command: smbclient //Beta/d Now how do I transfer files? Do I need to compile in support for smbfs into my kernel and then just mount it somewhere? Thanks. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 29 11:44:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: <20020329081610.U98025-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20020328233127.GA3206@iucha.net> <20020329081610.U98025-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20020329174427.GA2358@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:21:34AM -0600, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I think you should add > > net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 > > to /etc/sysctl.conf > Close. > s%/%.%g > > net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > > BTW, try /sbin/sysctl -a I think it's a Debian vs Meow-two :) bear:/home/florin# /sbin/sysctl -a | grep forward net/ipv4/conf/eth0/mc_forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/eth0/forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/lo/mc_forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/lo/forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/default/mc_forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/all/mc_forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding = 0 net/ipv4/ip_forward = 0 bear:/home/florin# ls -l /etc/sysctl.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 185 Jul 19 2001 /etc/sysctl.conf bear:/home/florin# cat /etc/sysctl.conf # # /etc/sysctl.conf - Configuration file for setting system variables # See sysctl.conf (5) for information. # #kernel.domainname = example.com #net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts=1 I haven't changed that file since it has been installed, but I adapted the example to the syntax in there. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can verify it works with 'Version 2002' (heh, yeah, that's all it says.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 12:15:02 2002 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: GPG/PGP Key repository? Message-ID: <200203291815.g2TIFOx108900@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 28 March 2002 07:32 pm, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > Also, I've been meaning to ask if we should do key-signings at the TCLUG > meetings, since I'd like to have more trusted keys than just mine. I agree--I think it would be great to have a key-signing time, although I think it would have to be at an InstallFest, since it's pretty hard to sign keys without your computer. Well, I guess you could pen&paper it. Also, has there been any mumblings about when the next InstallFest will be? :Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8pK85evbW9GDdlVARAmAdAKDJvvgcCi473HA2DFSCPHTF8zcHSwCfeAUk CYC9JOGgjkGF/VZ1UiGJmfI= =W0iB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Fri Mar 29 12:25:02 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mac In-Reply-To: <20020329163506.2F43F60305@friday.localdomain.fake> References: <20020329163506.2F43F60305@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <07f761823181d32FE5@mail5.mn.rr.com> On Friday 29 March 2002 10:34, you wrote: > Does anyone who whas gotten Linux working on a mack know if they are > netbootable? The basic idea I want to explore is setting up a LTSP lab > with some old Macs as X-Terms (for a school environment) Booting off > floppy wouldnt be terrible either- but the idea is minimal setup for each: > How old (what) are the Macs ? From owens at gradtech.com Fri Mar 29 13:00:01 2002 From: owens at gradtech.com (Dale Owens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: <3CA4A6D9.9050508@rightwithgod.org> Message-ID: Once the client has started, just get or put the files you want, or if its easier tar them up and exit when you are done. >Ok, I compiled and installed Samba and I can now see the windows disks >with the command: Dale _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 29 13:42:00 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: ; from mike@jentges.net on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 01:18:14AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020329134239.D22864@techmonkeys.org> Hi, I see that you're using Outlook for an email client, and that it fails to properly quote messages that you're replying to. This makes it very hard for people to tell what you wrote, and what others wrote, please see the following URL for instructions on enabling quoting in your revision of Outlook: http://www.slipstick.com/mail1/quote.htm On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 01:18:14AM -0600, Mike Jentges wrote: -- Somebody -- > > > Would it be possible to burn cdr's over the network through Samba? -- /Somebody -- -- Message you replied to -- > > I've done that. It didn't work too well on 10baseT but works fine on > 100baseT. > > Actually I might've used NFS rather than Samba... I guess check the > transfer rate you get and chat rate you need to feed the CDR with. -- /Message you replied to -- -- You -- > > You've actually burned directly from a remote box to a local CDR across the > wire? > I've never even tried, given the fact that even many CDROM drives are too > slow to keep > up with the burner, I just assumed that there's no way that would work. > Are you sure about this? :) > > -MJ -- /You -- Do you see the confusion? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 13:56:01 2002 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is the best way to share a..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020329195504.UUMI1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@there> On Friday 29 March 2002 12:56 pm, Dale Owens wrote: > Once the client has started, just get or put the files you want, or if its > easier tar them up and exit when you are done. > > >Ok, I compiled and installed Samba and I can now see the windows disks > >with the command: > > Dale Use to look at shares on a host: smbclient -L host and to mount the shared directory: mount smbfs //host/share /mount/point then check with: df ..............OT: hey dale...how ya doin? Talked to Brad or Joel lately? Rodd From josh at greentechnologist.org Fri Mar 29 15:20:02 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020329090538.00a71ce8@ehanson.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You would either edit the file and *correct* it (using my e-mail as an example) or run one of the programs I listed. Do xf86cfg before the others. Joshua b. Jore http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > I have a number of those "Screen" sections in my file, and instead of the > standard resolutions they say "800x0". > Any ideas how to fix it? > Thanks. > -Erik > > At 07:54 AM 3/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >(this message and your original really belong on misc@openbsd.org (as I > >post from my OpenBSD 3.0 box http://www.greentechnologist.org ;-)) > > > >The normal configuration scripts xf86cfg, XF86Setup, xf86config, > >xf86config3 at /usr/X11R6/bin. You should have a section in > >/etc/X11/XF86Config that goes roughly like this. Note the double-quote > >marks. > > > >Section "Screen" > > Subsection Display > > Depth 16 > > Modes "1284x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > EndSubsection > >EndSection > > > >Joshua b. Jore > >http://www.greentechnologist.org > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > > > > > I know this is not an OpenBSD list but I do not know where else to turn. > > > I am running OpenBSD 2.9 on an old Dell P-166 with an S3 Trio64V+ and X > > > configures and tests correctly but whenever I try to the startx I get an > > > error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" or '800x0' if I > > > try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or anyone able to point me in > > > a better direction? > > > Thanks. > > > -Erik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE8pHISfexLsowstzcRAnngAKCrv2fmjm07yP9zg6FZKDumjIBY6ACgmoLb > >9XJEGiJ+YravQANcHwhltfM= > >=M9q2 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8pN0LfexLsowstzcRAjnUAKDchCyc4XYEaUWJlPCg4r1RqRy1fwCgvDk1 pm34iQUXlPjMZ2Dpruthd1s= =8oRF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From erik at ehanson.net Fri Mar 29 15:39:02 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT OpenBSD XF86 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020329090538.00a71ce8@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020329153728.02f4ecd8@ehanson.net> Thanks. -Erik At 03:30 PM 3/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >You would either edit the file and *correct* it (using my e-mail as an >example) or run one of the programs I listed. Do xf86cfg before the >others. > >Joshua b. Jore >http://www.greentechnologist.org > >On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > > > I have a number of those "Screen" sections in my file, and instead of the > > standard resolutions they say "800x0". > > Any ideas how to fix it? > > Thanks. > > -Erik > > > > At 07:54 AM 3/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >(this message and your original really belong on misc@openbsd.org (as I > > >post from my OpenBSD 3.0 box http://www.greentechnologist.org ;-)) > > > > > >The normal configuration scripts xf86cfg, XF86Setup, xf86config, > > >xf86config3 at /usr/X11R6/bin. You should have a section in > > >/etc/X11/XF86Config that goes roughly like this. Note the double-quote > > >marks. > > > > > >Section "Screen" > > > Subsection Display > > > Depth 16 > > > Modes "1284x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > > EndSubsection > > >EndSection > > > > > >Joshua b. Jore > > >http://www.greentechnologist.org > > > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Erik Hanson wrote: > > > > > > > I know this is not an OpenBSD list but I do not know where else to > turn. > > > > I am running OpenBSD 2.9 on an old Dell P-166 with an S3 Trio64V+ and X > > > > configures and tests correctly but whenever I try to the startx I > get an > > > > error that says "There is no mode definition named '640x0'" or > '800x0' if I > > > > try to select 800x600. Anyone have any ideas or anyone able to > point me in > > > > a better direction? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Erik > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > > >iD8DBQE8pHISfexLsowstzcRAnngAKCrv2fmjm07yP9zg6FZKDumjIBY6ACgmoLb > > >9XJEGiJ+YravQANcHwhltfM= > > >=M9q2 > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > >http://www.mn-linux.org > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE8pN0LfexLsowstzcRAjnUAKDchCyc4XYEaUWJlPCg4r1RqRy1fwCgvDk1 >pm34iQUXlPjMZ2Dpruthd1s= >=8oRF >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Fri Mar 29 20:23:00 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020318195815.GB4691@iucha.net> Message-ID: Florin Iucha wrote: > > Do not put two harddrives on the same IDE channel. > > But I suspect you already have something on the second channel (CD-ROM) > so my suggestion is to get out and get a PCI IDE controller (Promise, > Maxtor, Whatever) and connect your 80gigger to that controller. > I have the PCI controller plugged in and the drive plugged into that, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to mount the drive! I scoured the Maxtor site, Redhat, Promise Tech site, googled all over, and found nothing. Am I missing something? Regardless if the drive is attached via PCI IDE controller it should be mountable as /dev/hdd (or whatever the drive letter is), right? Does anyone else use a PCI IDE controller card? David From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Mar 30 00:20:02 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200203300620.g2U6KZt17085@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> If it is the third IDE controller the drives will be /dev/hde and /dev/hdf Joseph Key David Blevins said: > I have the PCI controller plugged in and the drive plugged into that, but I > can't for the life of me figure out how to mount the drive! I scoured the > Maxtor site, Redhat, Promise Tech site, googled all over, and found nothing. > Am I missing something? Regardless if the drive is attached via PCI IDE > controller it should be mountable as /dev/hdd (or whatever the drive letter > is), right? > > > Does anyone else use a PCI IDE controller card? > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Mar 30 00:46:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configuration recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, David Blevins wrote: > Does anyone else use a PCI IDE controller card? I have the Promise UltraATA 100, for you to use it you have to have support compiled into the kernel (redhat has this compiled in they stock kernels) check your dmesg output for information if it is detected, it should also tell you which device(s) the harddrive is: (eg: /dev/hde, /dev/hdf) fdisk, mkfs.ext2, mount and edit /etc/fstab to make the changes permanant... that all you need -munir From clay at fandre.com Sat Mar 30 12:35:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> I have been unable to find someone to speak at the next TCLUG meeting. If you have something you would like to present, please let me know. -- Clay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020330/d16c986a/attachment.pgp From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Mar 30 16:11:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some clarification Message-ID: <1202.204.220.62.132.1017526151.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> >I need to clone one of my machines to about 10 other ones. And because of >the level of customization, it would take forever to do by hand. So, I >downloaded Tom's root boot floppy from http://www.toms.net. The machine I >needed to clone was booted in read-only mode, it had an ip of 10.10.220.53. >I then booted the other machine with Tom's root boot disk and gave it the >ip >10.10.220.21. On the one I wanted to clone to, I did: >nc -l -n -v -p 6666 > /dev/sda >On the machine I wanted to clone from, I did: >cat /dev/sda | nc -n -v 10.10.220.21 6666 I am trying to make copies of my IPCop box. I am trying to understand the above snip, but I am not clear on how to boot the box to read-only mode, or if it is even necessary. Any detailed instruction is appreciated. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sat Mar 30 16:39:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy tool References: <1309.204.220.62.130.1017413031.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <3CA63EA4.6030202@haxxed.mine.nu> Raymond Norton wrote: >On the Windows side I use Ghost to duplicate drives. Is there a tool or >software to do the same in Linux? > parted: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html gpart: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ and dd/cat/fdisk. With those three you have the functionality of every partitioning utility in existance. From mike at getbent.net Sat Mar 30 19:41:02 2002 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail Message-ID: <0203301939010D.16955@Dingo> Still a Qmail newbie but I didn't see this covered in detail enough for a rank amature like myself to understand. Lets say I have a domain... me.com And I am hosting a couple other domains for two different friends. pete.com and repete.com Each domain has a "Mike" but each Mike is a different person. The user accounts mikeme mikepete mikerepete are all on the box. mike@me.com mike@pete.com mike@repeate.com Where do I specify how to route the various emails to specific users or Mikes in this case... Second part. I have jill@me.com beth@pete.com rasputan@repete.com If I create those users on the same box how do I prevent there from being a jiil@pete.com or a rasputan@me.com Meaning I don't want every users to have access to any domain that I havn't specifically granted them access to And if I were to roll this out on a large scale over 30-100 users is there a handly little utility I could use to administrate this mess.... -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From andy at theasis.com Sat Mar 30 21:57:01 2002 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools In-Reply-To: <3CA63EA4.6030202@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: > parted: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html > gpart: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ > and dd/cat/fdisk. > > With those three you have the functionality of every partitioning > utility in existance. ...until you read the fine print. While those will do the trick most of the time, and the the utilities in the last 2 lines will address the drivecopy issue, parted is not fully functional because of some limitations. In particular, 1. For ext2: the start of the partition must stay fixed. Partition Magic doesn't have this limitation. Andy From sextus at visi.com Sat Mar 30 22:10:02 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail In-Reply-To: <0203301939010D.16955@Dingo> References: <0203301939010D.16955@Dingo> Message-ID: <20020331040852.GA31330@visi.com> ON Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 07:39:01PM -0600, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > And if I were to roll this out on a large scale over 30-100 users is there a > handly little utility I could use to administrate this mess.... Hie to http://www.inter7.com and look at vpopmail and vqadmin. -- Michael From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Mar 30 22:20:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotplug Two-Timing Message-ID: <20020330221952.2de4d584.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I have a PCMCIA wireless ethernet adapter for my laptop. When I plug it in, the system automatically loads the driver for the card and configures the network. The problem is, the scripts that do this end up getting run *twice*. keventd and the pcmcia card manager daemon both configure the card. I frequently end up with two dhclient processes running, and generally, only one of those processes gets killed when I remove the card. Over time, many processes can pile up. Have other people seen this behavior? Can anything be done to fix it? I'm running Debian testing.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Travel important today; IRS / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ arrives tomorrow. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020330/3ff9cfe5/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Sun Mar 31 08:33:01 2002 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail In-Reply-To: <0203301939010D.16955@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 07:39:01PM -0600 References: <0203301939010D.16955@Dingo> Message-ID: <20020331083238.A15732@flanders.digsol.net> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 07:39:01PM -0600, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Lets say I have a domain... me.com And I am hosting a couple other > domains for two different friends. > > pete.com and repete.com > > Each domain has a "Mike" but each Mike is a different person. > > The user accounts > > mikeme > mikepete > mikerepete > > are all on the box. > > mike@me.com > mike@pete.com > mike@repeate.com > > Where do I specify how to route the various emails to specific users or Mikes > in this case... read up on virtual domains. Something like mike@me.com:mikeme mike@pete.com:mikepete mike@repeate.com:mikerepeate then the mail is delivered to... mikeme-mike@me.com mikepete-mike@pete.com mikerepeate-mike@repeate.com > > > Second part. > > I have > > jill@me.com > beth@pete.com > rasputan@repete.com > > If I create those users on the same box how do I prevent there from being a > > jiil@pete.com or a rasputan@me.com Don't list the domains in locals -- Marc A. Ohmannn marc@ds6.net Digital Solutions, Inc. - Network Administration - Internet Hosting - Application Programming From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Mar 31 12:43:00 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools References: Message-ID: <3CA758AF.4070700@haxxed.mine.nu> andy@theasis.com wrote: >>parted: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html >>gpart: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ >>and dd/cat/fdisk. >> >>With those three you have the functionality of every partitioning >>utility in existance. >> > >...until you read the fine print. >While those will do the trick most of the time, and the the utilities in >the last 2 lines will address the drivecopy issue, parted is not fully >functional because of some limitations. In particular, > 1. For ext2: the start of the partition must stay fixed. > >Partition Magic doesn't have this limitation. > In which case you simply move the partition first, then resize. Duh. Slower but it works. From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Mar 31 12:53:00 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 References: Message-ID: <3CA75AED.9050503@haxxed.mine.nu> > > >>>I'm another tclug lurker; happened to see this. I have a box that I >>>have mainly neglected since rh 6.2, >>> >>apt-get is your friend. >> > > But, unless I'm mistaken, completely useless for this, unless the list of >mirrors includes someone's contrib of an OpenSSH RPM built for 6.2. >RedHat does not distribute OpenSSH for 6.2. If you tried apt-getting the >7.2 RPM, you'd probably inadvertantly upgrade the whole box to 7.2, or >hose your system. If it did anything. > Could be an amusing test, but I don't think I'll try it on a production >machine. > I ment he should use apt-get to just upgrade the box to 7.2... From andy at theasis.com Sun Mar 31 15:41:01 2002 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools In-Reply-To: <3CA758AF.4070700@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: > > 1. For ext2: the start of the partition must stay fixed. > > > >Partition Magic doesn't have this limitation. > > > In which case you simply move the partition first, then resize. Duh. > Slower but it works. No, it doesn't always work. Duh. Maybe do the comparison in the situation where parted falls over and PM comes along and handles it easily, before you try to pass off that you know what you're talking about. Duh. Andy From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Mar 31 19:38:00 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH for RH 6.2 In-Reply-To: <3CA75AED.9050503@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I ment he should use apt-get to just upgrade the box to 7.2... Newer is not always better. Jima From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Mar 31 19:54:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools References: Message-ID: <3CA7BE2A.5030600@haxxed.mine.nu> > Maybe do the comparison in the situation where parted falls over and PM > comes along and handles it easily, before you try to pass off that you > know what you're talking about. Duh. And what situation would this be? From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Mar 31 20:10:47 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools In-Reply-To: <3CA7BE2A.5030600@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Maybe do the comparison in the situation where parted falls over and PM > > comes along and handles it easily, before you try to pass off that you > > know what you're talking about. Duh. > > And what situation would this be? Last I checked (during the last InstallFest), parted can't resize NTFS partitions. In the end I bought some partition resizer (I forget the name, but it wasn't PM) online, and let the person I was helping use it for the duration of the install. Jima From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Mar 31 22:09:02 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Want a TNT1 Message-ID: <3CA7DD8D.9070808@haxxed.mine.nu> Hey I'm looking for an old Nvidia TNT1 PCI card, to put in my girlfriends machine so she can do a little gaming until we upgrade the motherboard and can put a decent AGP card in... Anyone got an extra one they're willing to sell for the $20 or so they're worth these days? ;P