From nate at refried.org Sat Jun 1 00:05:20 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some small OT but usefull news In-Reply-To: References: <20020529175548.GB3708@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020601050031.GB17173@refried.org> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:09:48PM -0500, Kremer wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Way to hijack a thread. Very nice. > > Please explain...I see you whine about this somewhat often, but never > cared enough in the past to figure out what you were talking about. Hijacking a thread is when you reply to a message on a list and totally change the subject. Usually this happens because someone who can't be bothered to type in the address of the list decides it's easier to just reply to the list than start a new message addressed to the list. Those of us with mail readers that link replies to messages together into threads see this message with a totally different subject and wonder, "WTF does this message have to do with this thread!?! Does this person know how to start a simple email without hitting the MF reply button!?!" So please, if you're starting a new topic of discussion, please start a new message. Hitting the reply button usually adds headers to the email that says the message is in reply to some other message(s) which are in the thread. Starting a new message starts a new thread without any references to previous messages. Nate, who also hates thread hijackers From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Jun 1 00:43:08 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some small OT but usefull news In-Reply-To: <20020601044807.GA623@iucha.net> Message-ID: So does this have something to do with headers or some other thing I might not see? As far as I could tell it WAS the beginning of a new thread. > He replied to a thread with a new and totally unrelated subject instead > of starting a new thread. From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 1 01:17:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] greyhatpak additions? In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:28:42AM -0500 References: <20020529095044.C22565@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020601010809.T8589@real-time.com> The first greyhatpak is out in the wild. All that is in there is nessus, but the baseline stuff is there to make adding the other packages much easier. Direct url: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.3/i386/RPMS.tclug ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.3/i386/SRPMS.tclug/ Via apt sources.list: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list apt-get install greyhatpak -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jun 1 02:40:08 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some small OT but usefull news In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:10:48AM -0500 References: <20020601044807.GA623@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020601015407.A24046@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:10:48AM -0500, Kremer wrote: > So does this have something to do with headers or some other thing I might > not see? As far as I could tell it WAS the beginning of a new thread. > Yes. Basicly instead of hitting *compose* (or 'new message' or whatnot) you hit reply to a message you saw to save yourself the effort of typing in 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' (while taking the effort to delete the message content, and subject). You then proceed to fill in your own subject and message content. Unfortunately your email client retains the 'In-Reply-To' header, along with a few others.. Intelligent mail readers sort these messages so that it's clear about who's replying to what. Check out http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack1.png and http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack2.png to see what it looks like to us. (You = individual who hijacks threads, not you, Kremer) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From info at hjcomps.com Sat Jun 1 12:52:11 2002 From: info at hjcomps.com (info@hjcomps.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] first email to tclug Message-ID: <1300.209.240.253.130.1022953543.squirrel@mail.hjcomps.com> I'm new to your mailing list and as of now I have no particular linux questions. However, I'm trying to get my dialup modem to work so that I can dial into my Red Hat box which is connected via DSL. I can dial in and get connected but can't access the Internet fully. Maybe someone else in your group has attempted this before and I can direct my questions to that person. The second reason for this email is I own a building with 6 one room offices 5 block from a swimming beach in White Bear Lake (including a shower for after your swim). If the group would like to hold a meeting their I would be open to the idea. One of the office rooms can hold 24 people or more. The cost would be minimal (or free). If any would like to start some type of business or move their business (preferably a linux bases business) to the area I would be open to suggestions. It does have a nice storefront. Thanks for your time. Hank Axt 612.750.5330 axt@hjcomps.com From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Jun 1 16:44:26 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] first email to tclug References: <1300.209.240.253.130.1022953543.squirrel@mail.hjcomps.com> Message-ID: <3CF93FF6.BF8B9558@dccmn.com> You didn't say how you were accessing the linux system via the phone. I'm assuming that you are trying to connect via ppp (or slip) and are attempting to access the internet through this tcp/ip connection. The problem here is that your ISP (at the other end of the DSL link) is only expecting to receive packets addressed to the ip address of your Linux machine. Your remote (via the modem) machine also has an ip address. Your Linux machine knows how to route network packets to your remote machine and to the internet via your DSL. Unfortunately, the ISP does not know to route packets from the internet to your remote machines ip address. You have two options: 1) Pay your ISP for additional ip addresses. This usually puts you in a business class account and you pay additional bucks. 2) You can set up your Linux machine to do masquerading. This means that when Linux receives packets from your remote, it will change the source ip address/port number of that packet to the ip address of your Linux machine and then sends it on to the internet. When the response comes back from the internet, it replaces the ip address with the one to your remote PC and off it goes. There are several how-tos on setting up masquerading. If you need more information come on back and I or one of the other Linuxites can help. Hope this helps. info@hjcomps.com wrote: > > I'm new to your mailing list and as of now I have no particular linux > questions. However, I'm trying to get my dialup modem to work so that I > can dial into my Red Hat box which is connected via DSL. I can dial in and > get connected but can't access the Internet fully. Maybe someone else in > your group has attempted this before and I can direct my questions to that > person. > > The second reason for this email is I own a building with 6 one room > offices 5 block from a swimming beach in White Bear Lake (including a > shower for after your swim). If the group would like to hold a meeting > their I would be open to the idea. One of the office rooms can hold 24 > people or more. The cost would be minimal (or free). If any would like to > start some type of business or move their business (preferably a linux > bases business) to the area I would be open to suggestions. It does have a > nice storefront. > > Thanks for your time. > Hank Axt > 612.750.5330 > axt@hjcomps.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Jun 1 17:09:16 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best way to fireall a multihomed machine, w/o dropping a fw infront of it. References: <1022853843.1599.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48530.198.74.20.75.1022866728.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <3CF9426B.F5E8A7A4@dccmn.com> Hmmm. I just set up a system, tell it to reject packets for all ports I'm not using especially telnet, ftp, and the other usual suspects. Guess I've never heard of gShield. Am I being naive? Should I be looking into a bit more protection. Munir Nassar wrote: > > I do not think that gShield will do the trick as it was designed with only > two nics in mind... > > used gShield in the past, and nothing else. Maybe its just time that i > > learn to use iptaples by its self. Any suggestions? > > but what you can do is generate the iptables commands using gshield -save > the output from iptables and edit to fit your other nics... > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Jun 1 19:45:32 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] clustering admin software Message-ID: OK, I know that I've seen a tool that Sun puts out for their clustering environments, but I can't for the life of remember what it's called. ( I think its a package of the SMC, but there's a lot of them) The basic function is this - you have n xterms open to n different hosts, and one "controlling" xterm that will pass what your typing into it on to the others. if you only want to run a command on only one, then you select that xterm, and type away. (god I hope that makes sense). question, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, is there a similar project on the open source side? I think I could find more than one way for this kindof tool to come in handy, and any info you could toss up would be appreciated -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Jun 1 20:04:20 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best way to fireall a multihomed machine, w/o dropping a fw infront of it. In-Reply-To: <3CF9426B.F5E8A7A4@dccmn.com> Message-ID: (snip) > > > used gShield in the past, and nothing else. Maybe its just time that i > > > learn to use iptaples by its self. Any suggestions? > (snip) I usually go straight for the iptables, but in any case, however you set it up, have someone you trust run a nmap against it and give you the results. if anything shows up that you didn't explicitly allow, then your not done. -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 1 23:10:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Geekfest 2002 - Cabana Room Radission South Message-ID: <20020529104232.B16782@real-time.com> Hello Members. I thought it was time to have a "Geekfest". Where: Radisson Hotel South & Plaza Tower 7800 NORMANDALE BOULEVARD MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55439 952-835-7800 When: June 29, 2002 4pm CST to 10pm CST I've booked the Cabana Room, which is on the first floor, pool side of the Radisson. We have a walk out deck area and spacious room. Bring your extension cords, wireless APs, laptops, and favorite LAN games. This is chance to geek out with fellow LUG members and maybe see some cool wireless stuff. Hope to see you there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From kschoolc at attbi.com Sun Jun 2 00:22:35 2002 From: kschoolc at attbi.com (Keith Schoolcraft) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Linux Show!! Message-ID: <3CF58397.6010303@attbi.com> I just discovered this today. I figured I'd share it for those of us who are still fairly new to the list. The Linux Show!! is the top Linux talk show in the world covering the latest in Linux news and events. Listen in Tuesday nights at www.thelinuxshow.com They have an MP3 archive so you can listen to all the past episodes. Doc Searls is part of the regular crew. For those of you who don't know. Which i'm sure are few. Doc Searls is the Senior Editor of Linux Journal. -Keith From doughanson at attbi.com Sun Jun 2 00:31:26 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 1.0 Party? References: <1022608184.2813.2.camel@client10.home> <20020529070524.A3398@baker.space.umn.edu> <20020529142144.GF3732@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020529143616.A22632@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <003501c20783$4f7f7ae0$0400a8c0@doug> I concur :)~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mozilla 1.0 Party? > > > > Doesn't anyone find it odd that you're actually planning a software release > > party for a: something you don't actively contribute to and b: as > > insignifigant as the 1.0 release of mozilla? > > > > I mean mozilla is great and all but it's not party worty. It's just a > > damned browser for pete's sake. Not to mention that but it's not likely to > > be much different from rc2. > > > > Have you considered that some people simply enjoy social gatherings, and are > willing to accept just about anything as a good reason to have one? > > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jun 2 00:31:39 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] poor performance In-Reply-To: <1022722723.3738.6.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1022702627.1521.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1022722723.3738.6.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <20020530024131.GB4024@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:38:43PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: >I have had problems with the eepro100 drivers and RedHat, both 7.2 and >7.3 on my workstation at work. In my case, the network connection would >croak under load (anything over 2 MB). I search around on Google and it >seems I was not the only one. I bagged the eepro100 driver and went with >the e100 and everything is fine now. It's not the driver that's broken, it's the fact that intel in it's infinite wisdom made about 1000 differnet chips and put the same number on them. The only way to really identify the chips is via the registers. As such the drivers sorta work, and they're _almost_ there, but not quite. It's a real drag. I've all but abandoned buying any nics with intel chips (save the onboard ones, for some reason nearly every server class motherboard you buy has 2 on board eepro100s.... -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The best protection money can buy is to disconnect the network cable short of that it is just playing a game of how much you can/will compromise... for me i start with dropping all packets, it makes the firewall more "stealthy" and it causes an nmap to scan for a long time because it has to wait for the connections to timeout, but violates RFCs... thyen i open the ports for the services that i need, SSH, IMAPS, HTTP, HTTPS, DNS and so forth. It is highly recommended that you sections off your network into seperate parts with strict ACLs but that is just too much of a headache for my small network next install portsentry and have it drop all connections from the bastard who tried to scan you... that is just for the network, internally you should setup some shit like tripwire and make sure you update your packages regularly, -munir From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun Jun 2 09:47:13 2002 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] poor performance In-Reply-To: <20020530024131.GB4024@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <1022702627.1521.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1022722723.3738.6.camel@ix.norsemen.org> <20020530024131.GB4024@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1023028882.7988.2.camel@ix.norsemen.org> On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 21:41, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:38:43PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >I have had problems with the eepro100 drivers and RedHat, both 7.2 and > >7.3 on my workstation at work. In my case, the network connection would > >croak under load (anything over 2 MB). I search around on Google and it > >seems I was not the only one. I bagged the eepro100 driver and went with > >the e100 and everything is fine now. > > It's not the driver that's broken, it's the fact that intel in it's > infinite wisdom made about 1000 differnet chips and put the same number on > them. The only way to really identify the chips is via the registers. As > such the drivers sorta work, and they're _almost_ there, but not quite. > It's a real drag. > > I've all but abandoned buying any nics with intel chips (save the onboard > ones, for some reason nearly every server class motherboard you buy has 2 > on board eepro100s.... Hey, I was ecstatic that my client let me blow away the Win2K and install Linux. I wasn't about to turn around and state that the onboard NIC was junk. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jun 2 10:10:09 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming Message-ID: This should be an easy one, but for some reason I can't find the docs I need. In a bash script, how do you store the return of a program into a variable? For instance, I have a dat file: 001 002 003 004 005 006 I want to store the 006 into $six. I thought I could do something like: six=tail -n1 numbers.dat but that didn't work. What am I missing? Also, is there a way I can use a sed command to strip off the leading 00? TIA!!! -Brian From mike at jentges.NET Sun Jun 2 10:31:22 2002 From: mike at jentges.NET (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming References: Message-ID: <006101c20a48$2cffa630$8f96c7c7@victim> Try it with backticks: six=`tail -n1 numbers.dat` -MJ > > This should be an easy one, but for some reason I can't find the docs I > need. In a bash script, how do you store the return of a program into a > variable? For instance, I have a dat file: > 001 > 002 > 003 > 004 > 005 > 006 > I want to store the 006 into $six. I thought I could do something like: > > six=tail -n1 numbers.dat > > but that didn't work. What am I missing? Also, is there a way I can use > a sed command to strip off the leading 00? TIA!!! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 2 10:31:33 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036263218150262FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> If I understand you correctly, I think you want: six=`tail -n1 numbers.dat` - Jared On Sunday 02 June 2002 09:53 am, you wrote: > This should be an easy one, but for some reason I can't find the docs I > need. In a bash script, how do you store the return of a program into a > variable? For instance, I have a dat file: > 001 > 002 > 003 > 004 > 005 > 006 > I want to store the 006 into $six. I thought I could do something like: > > six=tail -n1 numbers.dat > > but that didn't work. What am I missing? Also, is there a way I can use > a sed command to strip off the leading 00? TIA!!! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Sun Jun 2 10:47:15 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming References: Message-ID: <3CFA3B0E.2020101@talkware.net> Brian wrote: > This should be an easy one, but for some reason I can't find the docs I > need. In a bash script, how do you store the return of a program into a > variable? For instance, I have a dat file: > 001 > 002 > 003 > 004 > 005 > 006 > I want to store the 006 into $six. I thought I could do something like: > > six=tail -n1 numbers.dat when you want the output of a command you need to use back quotes. #!/bin/sh six=`tail -n1 numbers.dat` strip=${six//0} echo "$strip" Eric From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 2 11:04:20 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best way to fireall a multihomed machine, w/o droppinga fw infront of it. References: Message-ID: <3CFA41E6.A5B4851F@dccmn.com> That's pretty much what I have. Thanks for making me feel a bit more secure. Munir Nassar wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > Hmmm. I just set up a system, tell it to reject packets for all ports > > I'm not using especially telnet, ftp, and the other usual suspects. > > Guess I've never heard of gShield. Am I being naive? Should I be > > looking into a bit more protection. > > The best protection money can buy is to disconnect the network cable > > short of that it is just playing a game of how much you can/will > compromise... > > for me i start with dropping all packets, it makes the firewall more > "stealthy" and it causes an nmap to scan for a long time because it has > to wait for the connections to timeout, but violates RFCs... > > thyen i open the ports for the services that i need, SSH, IMAPS, HTTP, > HTTPS, DNS and so forth. It is highly recommended that you sections off > your network into seperate parts with strict ACLs but that is just too > much of a headache for my small network > > next install portsentry and have it drop all connections from the bastard > who tried to scan you... > > that is just for the network, internally you should setup some shit like > tripwire and make sure you update your packages regularly, > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 2 11:27:02 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming References: <3CFA3B0E.2020101@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3CFA43EA.13852596@dccmn.com> or: strip=`expr $six + 0` The wonderful thing about unix, 40 billion ways to do anything. Eric Estabrooks wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > This should be an easy one, but for some reason I can't find the docs I > > need. In a bash script, how do you store the return of a program into a > > variable? For instance, I have a dat file: > > 001 > > 002 > > 003 > > 004 > > 005 > > 006 > > I want to store the 006 into $six. I thought I could do something like: > > > > six=tail -n1 numbers.dat > > when you want the output of a command you need to use back quotes. > > #!/bin/sh > > six=`tail -n1 numbers.dat` > strip=${six//0} > echo "$strip" > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jun 2 14:27:19 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming In-Reply-To: <3CFA3B0E.2020101@talkware.net> Message-ID: Thank you all very much for your help. I should have made one thing clearer, though. The data file is not always numeric, some lines look like: 0100My name is Jim > strip=${six//0} What exactly does this line do? How do get the man page for it? Thanks a lot, the info I've gotten helps me immensely. -Brian From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 2 14:49:15 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming References: Message-ID: <3CFA737C.6BE98ED5@dccmn.com> Look up expressions in man bash. Brian wrote: > > Thank you all very much for your help. I should have made one thing > clearer, though. The data file is not always numeric, some lines look > like: > > 0100My name is Jim > > > strip=${six//0} > > What exactly does this line do? How do get the man page for it? > > Thanks a lot, the info I've gotten helps me immensely. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sun Jun 2 16:08:28 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another weird firewall log? Message-ID: I'm seeing fairly random broadcasts coming from what appears to be my cisco 675. always with a src & dst port of UDP 2066. a quick look around the net, and this looks to be a DLSw port number. so, did cisco put DLSw code into these little buggers, or is somebody firing a spoofed ip at my dsl modem that is acutally getting routed. If this is a hack, it looks to be going after routers/switches, try to find NetBios or SNA paths being tunneled though tcpip. Any thoughts? -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From estabroo at talkware.net Sun Jun 2 16:33:04 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple BASH programming References: Message-ID: <3CFA8CAF.7000407@talkware.net> Brian wrote: > Thank you all very much for your help. I should have made one thing > clearer, though. The data file is not always numeric, some lines look > like: > > 0100My name is Jim > > >>strip=${six//0} > > > What exactly does this line do? How do get the man page for it? man sh or man bash the // is a basic pattern substitution. the basic form is ${variable/pattern/replacement} or ${variable//pattern/replacement} the // is the greedy form, meaning it makes the longest match possible. when you leave off the replacement it deletes the pattern instead of replacing it. if you start the pattern with a # then the pattern must match to the beginning so to work with the example above change it to strip={$six//#0?} this way it won't match the 00 pattern following the 1 you can use a % instead of # if you want the pattern to be at the end Eric From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jun 2 17:14:21 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] twin cities wireless users group meeting (04-june-2002) Message-ID: <20020602163525.A25116@botwerks.org> my apologies for not putting this to the tclug-announce list instead but it appears to have been dropped somewhere along the line since my posting attempt on friday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- just a reminder and open invitation to folks interested in wireless networking technology. the 2nd monthly meeting of the twin cities wireless users group is scheduled for this coming tuesday (june 4, 2002). we had an amazing turnout for our first meeting and we're looking to keep the momentum going. the twin cities wireless users group is a place to learn about wireless networking technology, an opportunity to get your hands dirty with a fun community oriented project or just meet some of the locals who are doing fun stuff in the wireless area. all with an interest are welcome. if you can't make it but you are interested in the technology you may be interested in the mailing list. more information regarding the wireless users group mailing list can be found at the following url. http://www.tcwug.org/mailinglists/ *LOGISTICS* ----------- time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6:30PM CDT - june 4, 2002 location ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cisco systems - bloomington office international plaza 7900 international drive suite 400 bloomington, mn 55425 directions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- from the north -------------- * take 35w south * take 494 east to the 34th avenue exit, turn right * immediately veer right and take the next right at the light onto 80th street. * take the next immediate right onto international drive. from the south -------------- just like coming from the north except you take 35w north to 494. from the (east|west) -------------------- reaching 35w and following the above directions is left as an exercise for the reader/attendee. after you make it onto international drive ... * international plaza is the large blue glass building to your left. * you may park in the ramp and take the ramp elevators to level 1. proceed through the glass doors to your right and down the lobby foyer the main bank of elevators. take the elevator to level 4 note: you will need to sign in at the guard desk and indicate that you are there for the wireless users group meeting in the cisco office in suite 400. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 2 21:17:34 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org, apt, and issues Message-ID: <20020602205630.P9573@real-time.com> Please let me know if there are -any- problems with ftp.mn-linux.org. You can send any issues to tanner@real-time.com or support@real-time.com I found out on irc tonight that apt has been messed up on ftp.mn-linux.org for a long time. Long enough that people have stopped using it as a mirror. Since realtime has it's own private ftp server I actually do not use ftp.mn-linux.org, so I don't know when/if things are broken. -AND- I cannot fix what I don't know is broke. I believe everything is working again. Anyone care to say otherwise? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jun 2 21:20:40 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? Message-ID: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found something to fill this need. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jun 2 22:34:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020603032138.GA1967@rtfm.sistina.com> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: >Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The >reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution >that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found >something to fill this need. I use it on our mailserver, two production fileservers and our webserver. I don't put my root filesystem on LVM so I don't worry too much about bootdisks. It would be pretty easy to adapt the linuxcare bootable toolbox cd though. Make sure the kernel has lvm support and make sure the tools are in the ramdisk and you're good to go. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA, -Yaron -- From wilson at visi.com Mon Jun 3 07:53:46 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Opinions on SGI 1600SW monitor Message-ID: <20020603120640.GA20426@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, My monitor croaked over the weekend so I'm in the market for something new. Is anyone using the SGI 1600SW with Linux? I know it's supported, and I know that I'll need to get a new video card too. (I don't want to shell out for the adaptor.) I'm not a gamer at all so that's not a factor. Anyone have an opinion on this thing? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 3 13:14:28 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The > reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution > that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found > something to fill this need. In general, boot disks should incorporate some kind of ramdisk init script that loads the necessary modules into the kernel for operation, including LVM. Remember, that you also need certain binary applicaitons and support libraries to activate things such as LVM. It would be nice if there were a kernel option to do this for us, like that found for devfs, but I'm not sure if it's even in the planning stages for LVM2. As I understand it, LVM2 is an entirely new beast with a new architecture and user interface. Sistina, with Heinz and crew, were nice enough to make LVM2 backwards compatible with the LVM1 metadata, so that your existing LVM volumes will work w/both versions of the tools. Why isn't LVM completely in-kernel, you might ask? Typical debate about what belongs there and what doesn't. I'm happy with how LVM1 works and have run it in production environments for years now. I haven't tried out LVM2, but it's considered development code anyway. Perhaps on an older test system. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020603032138.GA1967@rtfm.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:21:38PM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603032138.GA1967@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020603111849.A22825@mtu.net> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:21:38PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > >Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The > >reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution > >that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found > >something to fill this need. > > I use it on our mailserver, two production fileservers and our webserver. I > don't put my root filesystem on LVM so I don't worry too much about > bootdisks. I don't intend to put my root filesystem there either, but I want to put /var and /usr on it. Plus it'd be really nice to be able to fix things on LVM partitions from a bootdisk. Good to hear someone's using it in a production environment too. > It would be pretty easy to adapt the linuxcare bootable toolbox cd though. > Make sure the kernel has lvm support and make sure the tools are in the > ramdisk and you're good to go. I was afraid I'd have to do that. The current problem I've had building such a bootdisk is that lic6 is really big and all of the bootdisks I've seen so far get around this by removing runctions from libc6 and then the LVM tools don't work. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 3 13:39:36 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh Rate under X Message-ID: <1023122835.3cfb9d9387775@www.freakzilla.com> Hey, So how do you change the refresh rate under X? I just got a new laptop with a new video card, and it insists on running at 60hz (it's pushed out to the crt, lcd is inactive). X says it can do more; on the Modes Found it includes: [11b] 1280 x 1024, 60Hz, 75Hz, 85Hz And it CLAIMS to be running at 85Hz: (**) SAVAGE(0): Default mode "1280x1024": 157.5 MHz, 91.1 kHz, 85.0 Hz ...but the monitor flickers a lot and claims it is set at 60Hz. I'd try Modelines but I don't have a modeline generator that works anymore... Anyone? -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 3 13:40:49 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Filtering messages in Outlook Express 6.0 In-Reply-To: <003401c208f4$116688d0$7f01a8c0@Miles> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 2002, David Blevins wrote: > Add this header to spam email (using formail or whatever): > > Keywords: spam > > This get's interpreted by Outlook as the "Category". Then they can > setup a very simple rule that says... > ------------- > Apply this rule after the message arrives > Assigned to spam category > move to the foo folder > and stop processing more rules > ------------ > > Instead of moving it, you could just delete it, but that could be risky. Ugh! Looks like this is Outlook-only, not Outlook Express. :( Guess we'll be doing subject mangling.. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 3 14:06:27 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Opinions on SGI 1600SW monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023131481.9905.1.camel@yafa> > > I'm not a gamer at all so that's not a factor. Anyone have an opinion on > > this thing? > > *Drool, drool* LOL! Come to the Twin Cities Linux User Group for well articulated opinions! :) Samir From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 3 14:07:55 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 08:37:25AM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> > > Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The > > reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution > > that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found > > something to fill this need. Have you tried mindi or mondo? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Jun 3 15:23:41 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 Message-ID: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can anyone comment on using Bind 9 in a production environment? I've used bind 8 and djbdns most recently, but im again interested in bind due to the apparent improvements in an entire (?) re-write of the code. Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? thanks From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Jun 3 16:38:01 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020603212818.GA90044@botwerks.org> i've been running bind 9.1.3 for quite some time. i frankly love it and have yet to run across a named implementation that i like better. it handles ipv6 addressing nicely. includes support for zone change notification, and some of the more interesting trust arrangements that can be setup. highly recommended. the views for internal and external responses are very well done. i love that feature which i know djbdns has but i find the bind 9 implementation to be a bit more elegant. when last we saw our hero (Monday, Jun 03, 2002), duncan was madly tapping out: > Can anyone comment on using Bind 9 in a production environment? > I've used bind 8 and djbdns most recently, but im again interested > in bind due to the apparent improvements in an entire (?) re-write > of the code. > > Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 3 16:38:46 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 3 Jun 2002, duncan wrote: > Can anyone comment on using Bind 9 in a production environment? I've > used bind 8 and djbdns most recently, but im again interested in bind > due to the apparent improvements in an entire (?) re-write of the > code. > > Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? I've been using it for my personal DNS servers for probably 6 months. Haven't had a single problem. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Jun 3 17:12:54 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh Rate under X In-Reply-To: <1023122835.3cfb9d9387775@www.freakzilla.com>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 11:47:15AM -0500 References: <1023122835.3cfb9d9387775@www.freakzilla.com> Message-ID: <20020603170722.A8292@okane.localnet> did you try `xvidtune` once X is running? Yaron wrote: > So how do you change the refresh rate under X? I just got a new laptop with > a new video card, and it insists on running at 60hz (it's pushed out to the > crt, lcd is inactive). From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 3 17:13:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500 References: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020603171109.N1970@real-time.com> Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com): > Can anyone comment on using Bind 9 in a production environment? I've > used bind 8 and djbdns most recently, but im again interested in bind > due to the apparent improvements in an entire (?) re-write of the code. > > Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? Yes. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 3 20:07:43 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh Rate under X In-Reply-To: <20020603170722.A8292@okane.localnet> References: <1023122835.3cfb9d9387775@www.freakzilla.com> <20020603170722.A8292@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <1023143641.3cfbeed9a3179@www.freakzilla.com> Hey, Quoting Scot Jenkins : > did you try `xvidtune` once X is running? Yeah, I did. It does absolutely nothing - it SAYS its going to change to a new refresh rate, but it doesn't. I did manage to figure out that it IS actually paying attention to my ModeLines. When you give it a ModeLine with a refresh rate it can handle (ie, 1280x1024@75) it runs it at 60hz. When you tell it to do something it CAN'T do, like run at 100hz, it dies. -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jun 3 20:10:41 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <20020603171109.N1970@real-time.com> References: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020603171109.N1970@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020603224546.GG4750@rtfm.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 05:11:09PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? > >Yes. :-) Yes -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jun 3 20:54:02 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> Bob Tanner wrote: >>>Is anyone using LVM in a production or semi-production system? The >>>reason I'm asking is I'm still looking for a good boot disk solution >>>that can access LVM volumes and thought these people might have found >>>something to fill this need. >>> > > Have you tried mindi or mondo? > I tried mindi and the disks it created just spewed lots of errors. I haven't tried mondo. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From florin at iucha.net Mon Jun 3 21:31:25 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI Emulation on 2.5.19? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020604020142.GA1005@iucha.net> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 11:32:20PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > So I figured I'd try a development kernel - what the heck, 2.4.18 hangs on > me occasionally anyway... > > Unfortunately, when I emable IDE SCSI Emulation (needed for the CDRW), the > build faiuls with: > > drivers/built-in.o: In function `ata_module_init': > drivers/built-in.o(.text.init+0x5ee6): undefined reference to > `idescsi_init' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > I've had this kind of thing happen before, and it usually means I've > forgot to enable SOMEthing or other in the kernel. But I can't figure out > what it is this time. ATA CDROM is there, SCSI and SCSI Generic are there. > Anyone have any idea what's missing? Being broken and "fixed" again over 2.5 series. Has been broken at the beginning by Jens Axboe's bio code that went in 2.5.1+ and then broken by Martin Dalecki that works on the IDE code now. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020603/0cafa8d3/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Jun 3 21:33:27 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI Emulation on 2.5.19? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020604020142.GA1005@iucha.net> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 11:32:20PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > So I figured I'd try a development kernel - what the heck, 2.4.18 hangs on > me occasionally anyway... > > Unfortunately, when I emable IDE SCSI Emulation (needed for the CDRW), the > build faiuls with: > > drivers/built-in.o: In function `ata_module_init': > drivers/built-in.o(.text.init+0x5ee6): undefined reference to > `idescsi_init' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > I've had this kind of thing happen before, and it usually means I've > forgot to enable SOMEthing or other in the kernel. But I can't figure out > what it is this time. ATA CDROM is there, SCSI and SCSI Generic are there. > Anyone have any idea what's missing? Being broken and "fixed" again over 2.5 series. Has been broken at the beginning by Jens Axboe's bio code that went in 2.5.1+ and then broken by Martin Dalecki that works on the IDE code now. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020603/0cafa8d3/attachment-0001.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 3 21:53:04 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jon Schewe wrote: > I tried mindi and the disks it created just spewed lots of errors. I > haven't tried mondo. mondo and mindi work hand in hand, mindi creates the boot disks and mondo creates the backup -munir From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 4 00:16:39 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ftp.mn-linux.org, apt, and issues In-Reply-To: <20020602205630.P9573@real-time.com> References: <20020602205630.P9573@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020603030732.GI21257@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020602 21:28]: > long time. Long enough that people have stopped using it as a mirror. Since > realtime has it's own private ftp server I actually do not use ftp.mn-linux.org, Ditto on the debian section. I've got a mirror at UMN now that I use most of the time. real-time is now mirroring downstream from it AFAIR, so problems I see should be problems you see too! (only later) :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 4 01:11:02 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI Emulation on 2.5.19? In-Reply-To: <20020604020142.GA1005@iucha.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Unfortunately, when I emable IDE SCSI Emulation (needed for the CDRW), the > > build faiuls with: > Being broken and "fixed" again over 2.5 series. FANtastic (: So where are the patches? -Yaron -- From idsfa at visi.com Tue Jun 4 01:11:13 2002 From: idsfa at visi.com (Michael Kellen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <200206040118.g541IEO25087@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200206040118.g541IEO25087@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1023170320.11106.0.camel@mitethe> On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 20:18, duncan wrote: > Can anyone comment on using Bind 9 in a production environment? I've > used bind 8 and djbdns most recently, but im again interested in bind > due to the apparent improvements in an entire (?) re-write of the code. > > Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? One word: DNAME Having had to maintain a DNS for fifteen "synonym" domains on seven nameservers in five timezones ... DNAME. Bind 9 rules hard. -- $ fortune -m Kellen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020604/7bf4ee12/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 4 07:37:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 08:40:56PM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > > Have you tried mindi or mondo? > > > > I tried mindi and the disks it created just spewed lots of errors. I > haven't tried mondo. Can you post the errors? Both Carl and I have contributed to the project and I'd like to take a look at the errors. Mindi has worked flawlessly for me on at least 10 installs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 4 07:43:49 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI Emulation on 2.5.19? In-Reply-To: References: <20020604020142.GA1005@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020604122355.GB1005@iucha.net> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 12:57:31AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, when I emable IDE SCSI Emulation (needed for the CDRW), the > > > build faiuls with: > > Being broken and "fixed" again over 2.5 series. > > FANtastic (: So where are the patches? LKML florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What are the sources.list entries for it? I was using deb http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian stable main contrib non-free etc. for a while, but it seemed to stop working in fairly short order, so I dropped it. I just tried it again and am still getting: Err http://ftp.cs.umn.edu stable/main Packages Could not connect to ftp.cs.umn.edu (128.101.36.190). ... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jun 4 08:50:08 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ftp.mn-linux.org, apt, and issues In-Reply-To: <20020604075035.A13680@sherohman.org> References: <20020602205630.P9573@real-time.com> <20020603030732.GI21257@ringworld.org> <20020604075035.A13680@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020604083618.B9272@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:50:36AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:07:32PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Ditto on the debian section. I've got a mirror at UMN now that I use > > most of the time. > > What are the sources.list entries for it? I was using > > deb http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free The mirror moved about the same time it became the main US mirror. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 4 10:11:48 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:12:58AM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020604111057.A30415@mtu.net> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:12:58AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > > > Have you tried mindi or mondo? > > > > > > > I tried mindi and the disks it created just spewed lots of errors. I > > haven't tried mondo. > > Can you post the errors? > > Both Carl and I have contributed to the project and I'd like to take a look at > the errors. I'm giving the latest version a try and I'll post an errors I recieve. The last time I tried was with version 0.23. I've already run into the problem that I can't tell mindi where to find isolinux unless I recompile it. I've managed to get around that by using a different rpm, newer version, for syslinux and then mindi can find isolinux. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Tue Jun 4 10:30:08 2002 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] galeon in Debian unstable Message-ID: <20020604151346.GA12915@lemongecko.org> I'm running Debian unstable and am having some problems with galeon. When I try to upgrade it, I get: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: galeon: Depends: galeon-common (= 1.2.3) but 1.2.3-5 is to be installed It looks like a typo, so I downloaded the current galeon .deb and installed it with dpkg --force-depends. Everything works fine. This morning I tried to install a completely different program (pstotext) and apt complains about galeon: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: galeon: Depends: galeon-common (= 1.2.3) but 1.2.3-5 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). I want to tell apt and friends "ignore this package, I know what I'm doing" -- so I need to put galeon on hold, right? I did that in dselect, but apt still complains. Can any Debian gurus enlighten me a bit? Thanks a lot. 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In-Reply-To: <20020604122355.GB1005@iucha.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > FANtastic (: So where are the patches? > LKML Actually, 2.5.20 is out, and that one compiles. But unfortunately the nvidia driver doesn't build under it and for some reason the built-in drivers are REALLY slow. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 4 11:40:43 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? Message-ID: I'm running Redhat 6.2 on a machine an I'm trying to compile some stuff. It makes it through configure ok, but then it looks for cpp and it can't find it. I have the cpp package installed, but there's no cpp binary anywhere on my system. I tried symlinking it to gcc, but that just gave me some syntax errors. Any idea how I can get a cpp binary onto my system? Thanks! -Brian From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jun 4 12:11:27 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 11:33:17AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020604114923.A8331@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 11:33:17AM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm running Redhat 6.2 on a machine an I'm trying to compile some > stuff. It makes it through configure ok, but then it looks for cpp and it > can't find it. I have the cpp package installed, but there's no cpp > binary anywhere on my system. I tried symlinking it to gcc, but that just > gave me some syntax errors. Any idea how I can get a cpp binary onto my > system? Thanks! > Redhat 6.2? Wow. Did you look in /lib ? The command 'gcc -E' should get you there too. -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From foeclan at visi.com Tue Jun 4 12:41:20 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What about g++? -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Brian wrote: > I'm running Redhat 6.2 on a machine an I'm trying to compile some > stuff. It makes it through configure ok, but then it looks for cpp and it > can't find it. I have the cpp package installed, but there's no cpp > binary anywhere on my system. I tried symlinking it to gcc, but that just > gave me some syntax errors. Any idea how I can get a cpp binary onto my > system? Thanks! > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Jun 4 12:43:24 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <20020603224546.GG4750@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020603171109.N1970@real-time.com> <20020603224546.GG4750@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1023211551.1585.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 17:45, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 05:11:09PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >> Has it matured enough to be stable for production use? > > > >Yes. :-) > > Yes > Cool. glad to hear it. Do you use the rndc control feature? From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 4 14:09:16 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI Emulation on 2.5.19? In-Reply-To: References: <20020604122355.GB1005@iucha.net> Message-ID: <54550.198.74.20.77.1023212637.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Yaron said: > Hey, > Actually, 2.5.20 is out, and that one compiles. But unfortunately the > nvidia driver doesn't build under it and for some reason the built-in > drivers are REALLY slow. that is the price of a development kernel -munir From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 4 14:12:05 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020604175547.GC1005@iucha.net> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 12:19:54PM -0500, Michael Vieths wrote: > What about g++? > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Visi.com > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Brian wrote: > > > I'm running Redhat 6.2 on a machine an I'm trying to compile some > > stuff. It makes it through configure ok, but then it looks for cpp and it > > can't find it. I have the cpp package installed, but there's no cpp > > binary anywhere on my system. I tried symlinking it to gcc, but that just > > gave me some syntax errors. Any idea how I can get a cpp binary onto my > > system? Thanks! cpp as in C Pre Processor not C Plus Plus. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only odd thing i see in my log is: AUDIT: Tue Jun 4 12:38:26 2002: 1103 X: client 2 rejected from local host Any Ideas what is causing this? TIA - Kremer From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 4 14:14:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <20020604111057.A30415@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 11:10:57AM -0400 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> <20020604111057.A30415@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020604130129.E24220@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > I'm giving the latest version a try and I'll post an errors I recieve. The > last time I tried was with version 0.23. I've already run into the problem > that I can't tell mindi where to find isolinux unless I recompile it. I've > managed to get around that by using a different rpm, newer version, for > syslinux and then mindi can find isolinux. You want mindi-0.62, if you want I can put our custom rpm into apt and you can try it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 4 14:14:58 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <1023211551.1585.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2002, duncan wrote: > Cool. glad to hear it. Do you use the rndc control feature? You bet. I also use signed requests to do DNS updates from my box at home. This is how I assign a static name to my cablemodem at home.. forget using dyndns! :) how you set that up: key host.example.com. { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "shhdonttell"; }; zone "example.com" { type master; file "example.com"; update-policy { grant host.example.com. name host.example.com. A; }; }; this will allow any host providing the secret in the key 'host.example.com' to modify (delete, add, etc) the A record for host.example.com. Then, in my dhclient-script on my box at home: echo -e "server ns.example.com\nzone example.com.\nupdate delete host.example.com A\nupdate add host.example.com. 120 A $new_ip_address\n\n" | nsupdate -k /etc/nsupdate.private &> /dev/null and /etc/nsupdate.private contains: Private-key-format: v1.2 Algorithm: 157 (HMAC_MD5) Key: shhdonttell /me loves bind9 :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 4 14:16:11 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <1023211551.1585.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1023131937.1604.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020603171109.N1970@real-time.com> <20020603224546.GG4750@rtfm.sistina.com> <1023211551.1585.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020604181341.GC3857@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 12:25:50PM -0500, duncan wrote: > >Cool. glad to hear it. Do you use the rndc control feature? Yes. Am tinkering with DNSSEC on another server I'll drop into producton shortly. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020604/08c28a9e/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 4 14:20:05 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? In-Reply-To: <20020604114923.A8331@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > Redhat 6.2? Wow. Did you look in /lib ? Ok, what is an executable binary doing in /lib? I thought binaries were supposed to reside in /usr/bin and get compiled against the /lib's. Either way, thanks. I saw that in there but because of my above perception I didn't think it was executable on its own. -Brian From sos at zjod.net Tue Jun 4 14:28:14 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no CPP? In-Reply-To: from "Brian" at Jun 04, 2002 01:32:09 PM Message-ID: <200206041926.g54JQdM26518@zjod.net> Brian wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > > > Redhat 6.2? Wow. Did you look in /lib ? > > Ok, what is an executable binary doing in /lib? I thought binaries were > supposed to reside in /usr/bin and get compiled against the > /lib's. Either way, thanks. I saw that in there but because of my above > perception I didn't think it was executable on its own. > Tradition. From amy at real-time.com Tue Jun 4 14:53:07 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X doesn't start properly on Redhat 7.2/7.3 machine In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 12:59:39PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020604143416.Y23463@real-time.com> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 12:59:39PM -0500, Kremer (kremer@ringworld.org) wrote: > I have a computer currently running Redhat 7.3. When it boots up, gdm > starts and gives me a login prompt. I log in as usual, but it just sits > for a minute then bumps me right back to the login prompt (no, it's not a > password issue, it doesn't tell me "incorrect password" like it did when > i purposely mistyped my password.) It was running Redhat 7.2 up until > this morning. Yesterday I saw this behavior start, which was what > prompted me to try 7.3, but that didn't help at all. > The only odd thing i see in my log is: > > AUDIT: Tue Jun 4 12:38:26 2002: 1103 X: client 2 rejected from local host A couple things to look for: 1. Look at the contents of .xsession-errors in your home directory - this might offer more information 2. Look at the contents of .Xauthority in your home directory - I've seen where this gets corrupted or empty. If so, you can usually remove it and X will recreate it. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw that in there but because of my above > perception I didn't think it was executable on its own. > Well, on Debian stable: [ ~ ] ls -l /lib/cpp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 12 14:18 /lib/cpp -> /usr/bin/cpp [ ~ ] And RH 7.2: [ ~]$ ls -l /lib/cpp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Feb 28 11:53 /lib/cpp -> ../usr/bin/cpp [ ~]$ RH 6.2 is what, two years old? Maybe RH was still learning how to make symlinks when it came out. ;-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Jun 4 16:09:29 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reminder: tcwug meeting this evening (06/04/2002) Message-ID: <20020604204406.GB3815@botwerks.org> just a reminder regarding the twin cities wireless users group meeting tonight ... previous announcement message below for your perusal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- just a reminder and open invitation to folks interested in wireless networking technology. the 2nd monthly meeting of the twin cities wireless users group is scheduled for this coming tuesday (june 4, 2002). we had an amazing turnout for our first meeting and we're looking to keep the momentum going. the twin cities wireless users group is a place to learn about wireless networking technology, an opportunity to get your hands dirty with a fun community oriented project or just meet some of the locals who are doing fun stuff in the wireless area. all with an interest are welcome. if you can't make it but you are interested in the technology you may be interested in the mailing list. more information regarding the wireless users group mailing list can be found at the following url. http://www.tcwug.org/mailinglists/ *LOGISTICS* ----------- time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6:30PM CDT - june 4, 2002 location ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cisco systems - bloomington office international plaza 7900 international drive suite 400 bloomington, mn 55425 directions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- from the north -------------- * take 35w south * take 494 east to the 34th avenue exit, turn right * immediately veer right and take the next right at the light onto 80th street. * take the next immediate right onto international drive. from the south -------------- just like coming from the north except you take 35w north to 494. from the (east|west) -------------------- reaching 35w and following the above directions is left as an exercise for the reader/attendee. after you make it onto international drive ... * international plaza is the large blue glass building to your left. * you may park in the ramp and take the ramp elevators to level 1. proceed through the glass doors to your right and down the lobby foyer the main bank of elevators. take the elevator to level 4 note: you will need to sign in at the guard desk and indicate that you are there for the wireless users group meeting in the cisco office in suite 400. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 4 16:09:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <20020604130129.E24220@real-time.com> References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> <20020604111057.A30415@mtu.net> <20020604130129.E24220@real-time.com> Message-ID: <65318.198.74.20.75.1023223495.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Bob Tanner said: > You want mindi-0.62, if you want I can put our custom rpm into apt and > you can try it. the mindi/mondo website already has rpms that work just fine -munir From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jun 4 20:24:48 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <200205290157.g4T1va215502@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <379EDF02-781A-11D6-AF97-000393971B5C@ringworld.org> On Tuesday, May 28, 2002, at 08:57 , Peter Clark wrote: > On Tuesday 28 May 2002 20:17, Kevin Bullock wrote: >> Second example: creating a professional-quality document. I'll leave >> Word out of this discussion because the only way to create a >> professional-quality document in Word is to beat your head against it >> for a really long time. Instead, consider LaTeX vs. InDesign. Which is >> easier? Having worked extensively with both, I can tell you, InDesign >> is. (Also a lot more expensive. I keep toying with the idea of >> writing a >> free (GUI) page layout program that uses TeX for a backend.) > Have you considered contributing to LyX? I have never played with > InDesign, > but so far, LyX is as close as you can come to a Free GUI for LaTeX. Of > course, it is not strictly a "page layout" program since it's WYMIWYG. > Actually, one of my gripes with LyX is that any time you want to so > something > just a little bit different, you need to resort to LaTeX commands, but > the > developers are working at making LyX support more LaTeX packages out of > the > box. > :Peter I've played with LyX a fair amount. It's useful for what it does, even if it is klunky and doesn't behave like any other app in existence. What I've considered writing would be significantly different, and I don't know pure TeX well enough to know if it would actually be possible. Instead of a document formatting program, it would be an actual page layout program, meaning you draw text boxes to put text in and position them on the page, then worry about formatting styles from there. Also a lot more flexible than what LaTeX or LyX do. The main reasons I've never looked into this any further are (a) TeX is a big, nasty thing to try and learn enough to do useful things and (b) I got InDesign at an educational discount :) XForms does indeed suck, GPL'ed or no. The open source/free software community should band together to kill it once and for all. :) Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jun 4 20:38:02 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <20020529033952.GH20952@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Tuesday, May 28, 2002, at 10:39 , Scott Dier wrote: > * Kevin Bullock [020528 20:58]: >> ones I know of who connect a digital display with a digital connection >> (and they even use a multilateral standard). LCD displays just don't > Actually, no, they use their own, called the ADC, afaik. It puts power > and video in the same connector. ADC is based directly on DVI; the only difference AFAIK is the connectors (i.e. they just add a few pins to carry the power and USB too). If nothing else, adaptors are easily available. And the new revision of the TiBook has a DVI out instead of an ADC or VGA out. > My 20in Dell LCD is hooked up via DVI to my Radeon VE at 1600x1200 at > work. That's cool. I didn't know such things existed. Then again, if I didn't know that the DVI connectors existed, then most users won't know they exist and therefore won't have a digital TFT connection, whereas most Mac users will. Is Dell selling their machines standard using DVI, or are they still selling them connecting TFTs to VGA ports? As to the PA-RISC thing, I'd be interested to read more about the architecture. The fact that they have tied themselves to Intel kinda disturbs me though. Their upgrade path flows right into the Itanium line, and I still haven't quite decided how I feel about the Itanium. In any case, the PowerPC architecture is light years ahead of x86, so for desktops, I'll still take my Mac. For a server, PA-RISC could be cool, Itanium /might/ be cool, but then again, an Xserve would be really cool too. :) Or an RS-6000 for that matter, depending on application and budget (they're PPCs too). Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 00:50:26 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <65318.198.74.20.75.1023223495.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:44:55PM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> <20020604111057.A30415@mtu.net> <20020604130129.E24220@real-time.com> <65318.198.74.20.75.1023223495.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020604212902.G31493@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > Bob Tanner said: > > > You want mindi-0.62, if you want I can put our custom rpm into apt and > > you can try it. > > the mindi/mondo website already has rpms that work just fine Yes, but mine install all the necessary components when you apt-get install them, theirs don't :-p -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 5 00:50:33 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On 25 May 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > I created a test for that a few years ago; http://www.dd-b.net/stpit/ > > is the top of it. All email sent to the addresses on exhibit there > > goes into a special folder (and is reported to spamtraps.taint.org). > > > > I believe I created it in October of 1999 (that's the earliest file > > date I can find in the directory). The first spam arrived in August > > of 2000. The most *recent* spam arrived in it December of 2001. > > Only 111 pieces of spam have *ever* arrived in it, including at least > > 6 test message I sent myself. > > > > My conclusion, so far, is that spammers do harvest the web for > > addresses, but only very rarely, and they don't seem to pass the > > addresses so harvested around. > > Do the search engines actually archive this page, though? > > I'd guess that the spambots start at the engines and go from there.. Really? Why would they do that? And what sort of query would a spambot use in a search engine to start off it's traversal? I don't see any value added in going through the intermediate layer -- rather the reverse, since a spambot would want *not* to respect robots.txt exclusions, for example. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing list, see http://dragaera.info From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 5 00:53:35 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind9 signed dynamic update woes Message-ID: <20020605024757.GA4507@rtfm.sistina.com> O.k. taking Nates mail and running with it I've hit a dead end. Not sure what I'm doing wrong but here goes. ns1 == my nameserver mybox == my firewall at home on cable modem Both boxen are redhat-7.3 and have the same bind version I generated key with following command dnssec-keygen -a hmac-md5 -b 128 -n HOST www.dolly-llama.org. I copy the files generated to my firewall box. My named.conf on my ns server has the following in it. key www.dolly-llama.org. { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "base64fromkeyfile.priv"; }; zone "dolly-llama.org" { type master; allow-query { any; }; file "slave/dolly-llama.org.zone"; update-policy { grant www.dolly-llama.org. name www.dolly-llama.org. A }; }; I have bind setup chroot()ed and secure so the only place it can write is slave/ directory. Only thing that zone file has in it is the necessary stuff. there is no www record in it. When I run nsupdate -k /path/to/crazynamedkeyfile and tap tap tap in all th goodies to add my www host, after the final extra \n I get dns_request_getresponse: tsig indicates error and in the logs on the nameserver I see Jun 4 21:39:25 ns1 named{15528]: client 24.245.5.130#32811: request has invalid signature: tsig verify failure Now I ask you, what the heck am I missing? -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joseph Key From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 5 01:25:00 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ftp.mn-linux.org, apt, and issues In-Reply-To: <20020604075035.A13680@sherohman.org> References: <20020602205630.P9573@real-time.com> <20020603030732.GI21257@ringworld.org> <20020604075035.A13680@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020604125244.GP21257@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherohman [020604 07:50]: > deb http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian stable main contrib non-free deb debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 5 01:25:12 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband Message-ID: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. I switched the ethernet card from my Windows machine (the one that's registered with AT&T) and put it in my linux machine, but its not getting an IP. Any thoughts or hints? My Linux PC Celeron 433 384MB Ram 5.1 Gig HD Netgear FA310TX Ethernet Card (registered with AT&T) I have an extra 3COM 3c905b floating about. Think I should register that and try it? Thanks, Ben From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 5 01:25:23 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20020529033952.GH20952@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020605015205.GT21257@ringworld.org> * Kevin Bullock [020604 20:40]: > In any case, the PowerPC architecture is light years ahead of x86, so If I were running this processor natively.... too bad I cant. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ 01:00 LILO IS REALLY DIANORA 01:00 DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Jun 5 07:45:34 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband In-Reply-To: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> References: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Message-ID: <1023280515.20272.18.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 10:27, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the > time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get > an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. > > I switched the ethernet card from my Windows machine > (the one that's registered with AT&T) and put it in my > linux machine, but its not getting an IP. > > Any thoughts or hints? What DHCP client are you using? Pump will not work... -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jun 5 08:15:25 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband References: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Message-ID: <3CFE0902.7090700@mtu.net> bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the > time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get > an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. I had this problem with my OpenBSD box for awhile. I looked in the logs and I was getting some messages from dhclient that said something to the effect of bad answer from dhcp server. Turned out that in /etc/dhclient.conf you specify a bunch of request lines, which are things you're looking for like routers and name servers. Then there are some requires lines that specify what the dhcp server needs to give you back for it to be a valid response. I ended up taking everything out of the requires lines because sometimes all I get from AT&T's dhcp server is an IP. In particular for a while they weren't sending the DNS servers. Theirs suck, so I just run my own anyway. I suspect this would be a problem even with a different dhcp client as well. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jun 5 08:18:14 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <379EDF02-781A-11D6-AF97-000393971B5C@ringworld.org> References: <200205290157.g4T1va215502@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> <379EDF02-781A-11D6-AF97-000393971B5C@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020605080643.A28267@botwerks.org> it's good to note that TeX and its brethren are document formatting engines. they handle the nasties associated with the creation of large documents and the consistent formatting and production of them. i'll take issue with the notion that you need to beat your head against the wall to create a professional quality document with word. there are millions of people who do precisely that with word every day and i've seen very few with pronounced head trauma. TeX and company have their place. but i haven't seen anything to date that allows me to share a 200 page document with other folks who aren't going to learn the markup and the CED process asssociated with TeX. i have yet to see TeX work nicely with the 15000 cell spreadsheet that i've tied to my bigass document as well. abiword - which outside of the (star|open)office suites has the best import and graphics handling characteristics of any of the free word processors out there still can't import a pretty trivial word document. it still can't save them. the biggest driver for an OS X laptop to me was having freebsd with a real implementation of office on the same box. when there are keyboard shortcuts for everything i'll be in heaven. > >On Tuesday 28 May 2002 20:17, Kevin Bullock wrote: > >>Second example: creating a professional-quality document. I'll > >>leave Word out of this discussion because the only way to create a > >>professional-quality document in Word is to beat your head against > >>it for a really long time. Instead, consider LaTeX vs. InDesign. > >>Which is easier? Having worked extensively with both, I can tell > >>you, InDesign is. (Also a lot more expensive. I keep toying with > >>the idea of writing a free (GUI) page layout program that uses TeX > >>for a backend.) > > Have you considered contributing to LyX? I have never played > > with > >InDesign, but so far, LyX is as close as you can come to a Free GUI > >for LaTeX. Of course, it is not strictly a "page layout" program > >since it's WYMIWYG. Actually, one of my gripes with LyX is that > >any time you want to so something just a little bit different, you > >need to resort to LaTeX commands, but the developers are working at > >making LyX support more LaTeX packages out of the box. > > I've played with LyX a fair amount. It's useful for what it does, > even if it is klunky and doesn't behave like any other app in > existence. What I've considered writing would be significantly > different, and I don't know pure TeX well enough to know if it would > actually be possible. Instead of a document formatting program, it > would be an actual page layout program, meaning you draw text boxes > to put text in and position them on the page, then worry about > formatting styles from there. Also a lot more flexible than what > LaTeX or LyX do. > > The main reasons I've never looked into this any further are (a) TeX > is a big, nasty thing to try and learn enough to do useful things > and (b) I got InDesign at an educational discount :) > > XForms does indeed suck, GPL'ed or > no. The open source/free software community should band together to > kill it once and for all. :) { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jun 5 08:18:53 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband In-Reply-To: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> References: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Message-ID: <200206050809.36917.list@slushpupie.com> Often times they want your computer to send the host name (ala windows) The ISC dhcp client has many options for this. Check the Linux+Cable Modem HOWTO, it should mention what info you need there too. Jay On Tuesday 04 June 2002 10:27 am, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the > time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get > an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. > > I switched the ethernet card from my Windows machine > (the one that's registered with AT&T) and put it in my > linux machine, but its not getting an IP. > > Any thoughts or hints? > > My Linux PC > > Celeron 433 > 384MB Ram > 5.1 Gig HD > > Netgear FA310TX Ethernet Card (registered with AT&T) > > I have an extra 3COM 3c905b floating about. Think I > should register that and try it? > > Thanks, > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Jun 5 08:19:06 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband In-Reply-To: <1023280515.20272.18.camel@Dart-71_linux> References: <20020604152753.GDWX2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> <1023280515.20272.18.camel@Dart-71_linux> Message-ID: <02060508011401.05208@nancy> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:35, James Spinti wrote: > On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 10:27, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > > I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the > > time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get > > an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. > > > > I switched the ethernet card from my Windows machine > > (the one that's registered with AT&T) and put it in my > > linux machine, but its not getting an IP. > > > > Any thoughts or hints? > > What DHCP client are you using? Pump will not work... This dhcp combo works with AT&T cable (got it from my Slack 8 box) PACKAGE NAME: dhcp COMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 182 K UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 460 K PACKAGE LOCATION: diskn1 PACKAGE MD5SUM: 8bff580096b4133bee3a1fd2c7889832 PACKAGE DESCRIPTION: dhcp: dhcp-2.0pl5, dhcpcd-1.3.20-pl0 dhcp: dhcp: This package provides DHCP utilities for Linux, including dhcp: both servers and clients. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 09:35:37 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Really? Why would they do that? And what sort of query would a > spambot use in a search engine to start off it's traversal? I don't > see any value added in going through the intermediate layer -- rather > the reverse, since a spambot would want *not* to respect robots.txt > exclusions, for example. But where would the spambot get the URL for your site to start with? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 09:37:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind9 signed dynamic update woes In-Reply-To: <20020605024757.GA4507@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > O.k. taking Nates mail and running with it I've hit a dead end. Not > dns_request_getresponse: tsig indicates error > > and in the logs on the nameserver I see > > Jun 4 21:39:25 ns1 named{15528]: client 24.245.5.130#32811: request has > invalid signature: tsig verify failure > > Now I ask you, what the heck am I missing? Your system clocks have to be in sync (within 1-2 seconds of each other); got NTP running? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 5 09:38:02 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband Message-ID: <20020605143633.FWZE29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> I got it to work. I used the -h 'hostname' option and switched ethernet cards. I have a feeling the -h 'hostname' is what really did it. > > On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:35, James Spinti wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 10:27, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > > > I just installed Redhat 7.1 (only CD's I had at the > > > time) on another system. I can't get the machine to get > > > an IP from AT&T's DHCP server. > > > > > > I switched the ethernet card from my Windows machine > > > (the one that's registered with AT&T) and put it in my > > > linux machine, but its not getting an IP. > > > > > > Any thoughts or hints? > > > > What DHCP client are you using? 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We are running Red Hat 7.3 and we patched the kernel to 2.4.18-4. I have looked EVERYWHERE trying to find information on the following error. It appeared a few times in posts to the kernel and hardware mailing lists at kernel.org, but there never seemed to be a definitive answer. Whenever we try to move a large number of files through the raid controller (general file moves to/from samba clients, or to a tape backup), we receive 10 to 30 i/o errors, like the following (sectors change): Jun 5 08:09:07 gar kernel: I/O error: dev 08:05, sector 49041320 Jun 5 08:09:07 gar kernel: SCSI disk error : host 3 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 70000 Jun 5 08:09:07 gar kernel: I/O error: dev 08:05, sector 49041328 Jun 5 08:09:07 gar kernel: SCSI disk error : host 3 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 70000 Does anyone have any insight into this problem? 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That might mean that "professional" "quality" have different meangings for Microsoft-products-using-people. How about consistent laid out tables. Consisten use of styles and templates? (ha! I doubt your "millions" know what a template is - almost everybody I know just goes on happily with highlighting text and changing font sizes and faces.) How about saving in a consitent format that everybody that has Word can read? How about a decent charting module? (yes, I know about visio but at least arrows that "glue" to the boxes, can we get that?). How about a consistent UI? Word 2000 now opens a window for each document. Neat. But if you have a modal dialog in one window, all other windows are frozen. 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I'm not 100% sure what was wrong, but it works now. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020605/8aee375c/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 10:15:56 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 Message-ID: <20020605101007.J23463@real-time.com> I've noticed on several linux boxes this error in /var/log/messages: modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 It doesn't seem to cause any problems but it is an annoyance. I couldn't find much google-searching on this, other than char-major-81 is for video capture devices. My /etc/modules.conf looks like this: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias eth0 3c59x alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias usb-controller usb-uhci And the device looks like this: # ls -la /dev | less lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Oct 26 2001 radio -> radio0 crw------- 1 atanner root 81, 64 Aug 30 2001 radio0 crw------- 1 atanner root 81, 65 Aug 30 2001 radio1 crw------- 1 atanner root 81, 66 Aug 30 2001 radio2 crw------- 1 atanner root 81, 67 Aug 30 2001 radio3 I don't have any video-capture devices on my box. Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020605145513.GA3866@iucha.net> References: <200205290157.g4T1va215502@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> <379EDF02-781A-11D6-AF97-000393971B5C@ringworld.org> <20020605080643.A28267@botwerks.org> <20020605145513.GA3866@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020605110332.A28567@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Jun 05, 2002), Florin Iucha was madly tapping out: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 08:06:43AM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > > > > i'll take issue with the notion that you need to beat your head > > against the wall to create a professional quality document with word. > > there are millions of people who do precisely that with word every day > > and i've seen very few with pronounced head trauma. > > Oh, puh-lease. > > You have seen "millions" succesfull, happy word users and only "very few > with _pronounced_ head trauma"? you'll note i said people who create professional quality documents with word - i didn't say they were happy, or successful. people who have any experience with word and managing documents which have any structure realize that they need to use the appropriate templates. there are really nice hooks for creating and managing very large documents inside word. i use these tools every day as do thousands of engineers in the company i work for. i have access to a document repository of 16k+ of highly formatted and structured documents, 80% of these documents are generated in word or my other favorite large document editor framemaker. using the tool with templates and the correct formatting guidelines makes life a lot easier for everybody. that's what publishing guidelines are for. there's still no equal for the embedded object capability in word. i'll be damned i want to fire up a text editor and manually update tables that correlate data inside a document from a spreadsheet full of optical network models. while i'll agree that there are tons of people out there who don't create structured documents (letters, forms, moderately structured documents), which is the arena where TeX really shines, there are tons of people who create professional quality documents with word. you seem to forget that there are whole industries that create involved documents with complex formatting and structure requirements. legal, medical, government, etc. these people use templates, the appropriate formatting and create very professional quality documents. these people number easily into the hundreds of thousands if not millions. > That might mean that "professional" "quality" have different meangings for > Microsoft-products-using-people. how about using the following definition for a "professional quality document" - a document that is authored for consumption by an external audience that includes a defined document structure (includeing TOC, index, glossary, etc,) with consistent formatting (heading use, fonts, kerning, etc.). by that definition i think that the number of word users vs. the LyX/TeX users in the world is a tad disproportionate. > How about consistent laid out tables. Consisten use of styles and > templates? (ha! I doubt your "millions" know what a template is - almost > everybody I know just goes on happily with highlighting text and > changing font sizes and faces.) > > How about saving in a consitent format that everybody that has Word can > read? like anything this is a matter of using the appropriate techniques within word. education of the user is what is required. it's not a deficiency of the tool it's an operational problem. i don't see how anything that you've detailed here can't be accomplished with word and in fact isn't made easier by word. > > How about a decent charting module? (yes, I know about visio but at least > arrows that "glue" to the boxes, can we get that?). wow i didn't realize that charting functionality was something you looked for in a word/document processor. > > How about a consistent UI? Word 2000 now opens a window for each > document. Neat. But if you have a modal dialog in one window, all other > windows are frozen. Or do I have to upgrade to XP to get a fix for their > dumbness? i fail to see how this affects the publication of "professional quality documents". while i'll agree wholeheartedly that this is irksome it's not a gating factor to the creation of a document. > > florin, > > who had to edit Word documents for the last two weeks and that > made him really cranky... heh - i understand how it sucks to get a crappy document but that's not a failiing of the tool. just the users that you have to work with. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What about this comment from the sane-devel list ? http://www.mostang.com/pipermail/sane-devel/2001-September/000951.html " If you check the file /etc/modules.conf you will find that char-major-81 is an alias for bttv, the video input driver for bttv based cards. The reason why Sane looks for this module is that you have the v4l (Video4Linux) backend activated in dll.conf. If you want to get rid if these warnings (and make your scanning system potentially more robust) you can comment out all backends in dll.conf but the EPSON backend. " Just an idea. I haven't looked for it on my machine but I seem to remember having to install some sane stuff for some printer stuff (cups?) -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I've noticed on several linux boxes this error in /var/log/messages: > modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 [SNIP] From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 12:43:58 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeSWAN + Linksys VPN Router In-Reply-To: <20020605143816.FXZI2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > Anyone have svcess getting FreeSWAN working? > > Anyone have any luck getting FreeSWAN to work with a Linksys VPN > router? Yeah, I've helped a few people. There's a buncha crap you have to do. Check out the FreeS/WAN mailing list for hints. Spoiler: Have to use Shared Secrets, can only inititate the connection one direction (can't remember which), need the newest firmware on the router. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From amy at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 13:49:10 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 In-Reply-To: <20020605102516.H21486@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:25:16AM -0500 References: <20020605101007.J23463@real-time.com> <20020605102516.H21486@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020605133724.U23463@real-time.com> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:25:16AM -0500, Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:10:08AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > > My /etc/modules.conf looks like this: > > > > alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc > > alias eth0 3c59x > > alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio > > post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L > > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > > pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S > > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > > Add the line > > alias char-major-81 off Thank you. Exactly what I needed. I wonder why my default install is setting it up this way though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020605/af715294/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jun 5 16:58:43 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk Message-ID: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a need to copy a whole CDDA track from a cd to my hard disk. Ever thing i seem to do wants to rip it to mp3, or wav.... but i want the CDDA track as it is on the cd. Can i use DD for that? I wasn't sure how to grab the specific track if that were the case. the best thing about this is an engineer here at work couldn't do it on his winders box, so he came to me and wanted to know if linux could do it. heh. thanks From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jun 5 17:08:45 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1023314735.3cfe8b2f316e2@webmail.andersonfam.org> Haven't done this in Linux, but I have no doubt that it's possible....but you can try this for Windows. I've used it for years and it works great. http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ -Erik Quoting duncan : > I've got a need to copy a whole CDDA track from a cd to my hard disk. > > Ever thing i seem to do wants to rip it to mp3, or wav.... but i want > the CDDA track as it is on the cd. Can i use DD for that? I wasn't > sure how to grab the specific track if that were the case. > > the best thing about this is an engineer here at work couldn't do it on > his winders box, so he came to me and wanted to know if linux could do > it. heh. > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From amy at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 17:25:08 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.2->7.3 apt-get dist-upgrade Message-ID: <20020605161652.E23463@real-time.com> I'm testing using apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my RH 7.2 boxes to 7.3. When I did this, I noticed in the list of NEW packages to be installed, it listed kernel-smp#2.4.18-4. These are single CPU boxes, so I'm wondering why it would do that. I got around it by manually installing the new kernel. apt-get install kernel#2.4.18-4 My apt.conf looks like this: RPM { // Leave list empty to disable AllowedDupPkgs {"^kernel$"; "kernel-smp"; "kernel-enterprise"; }; HoldPkgs {"kernel-source"; "kernel-headers"; }; } I currently have 2.4.9-31 kernel installed: # rpm -qa|grep ^kernel kernel-source-2.4.9-31 kernel-2.4.9-31 kernel-headers-2.4.9-31 kernel-doc-2.4.9-31 Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I try to hit my server on its registered IP (NAT'd by the Sonicwall), it times out. I asked the "consultant" about this, he tells me that it's a problem with the Sonicwall and there's no configuration that can fix it. He proceeds to remind me that the Sonicwall is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The reason I need its outside IP is that Apache is virtual hosting off of one IP for a handful of domains and without the DNS headers, I can't get to any site other than the default. Last I checked, this can't be spoofed with a hosts file, it NEEDS the DNS header. Any ideas if the Sonicwall can actually do this? -Brian From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jun 5 19:45:05 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? Message-ID: Steve, This is a little loose: 80% of 16k are Word or Frame. How many Word? How many Frame? Word docs in a repository make me cringe. I have no faith that the vendor won't use the format as a competitive weapon, leaving me to pay the price (conversion, configuration, licensing, ...). That and the potential for viral payloads (even now) gives me the "heebee jeebees". Your place of work sounds like a utopian world of word savy users. I don't live in a place like that, no sir. Troy >>> sulrich@botwerks.org 06/05/02 11:03AM >>> i use these tools every day as do thousands of engineers in the company i work for. i have access to a document repository of 16k+ of highly formatted and structured documents, 80% of these documents are generated in word or my other favorite large document editor framemaker. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 19:45:38 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Brian wrote: > The reason I need its outside IP is that Apache is virtual hosting off > of one IP for a handful of domains and without the DNS headers, I > can't get to any site other than the default. Last I checked, this > can't be spoofed with a hosts file, it NEEDS the DNS header. Any > ideas if the Sonicwall can actually do this? Most cheap NAT devices can't. Linux couldn't until 2.4 kernel.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 19:53:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt Message-ID: <20020605181054.U27795@real-time.com> Mozilla-1.0.0 with ttf support is apt. Not sure why my patch to make it build with ttf support was not accepted, but enjoy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Jun 5 19:54:32 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:32:06PM -0500 References: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020605181112.B30925@knicknack.net> I thought cdparanoia could do that, but I just looked at the man page and now I'm not sure. Is 'raw' format the same as CDDA? Eric On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:32:06PM -0500, duncan wrote: > I've got a need to copy a whole CDDA track from a cd to my hard disk. > > Ever thing i seem to do wants to rip it to mp3, or wav.... but i want > the CDDA track as it is on the cd. Can i use DD for that? I wasn't > sure how to grab the specific track if that were the case. > > the best thing about this is an engineer here at work couldn't do it on > his winders box, so he came to me and wanted to know if linux could do > it. heh. > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 5 20:12:05 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020605234650.GA3923@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:32:06PM -0500, duncan wrote: >I've got a need to copy a whole CDDA track from a cd to my hard disk. > >Ever thing i seem to do wants to rip it to mp3, or wav.... but i want >the CDDA track as it is on the cd. Can i use DD for that? I wasn't >sure how to grab the specific track if that were the case. > >the best thing about this is an engineer here at work couldn't do it on >his winders box, so he came to me and wanted to know if linux could do >it. heh. Just curious why the .wav won't work? .wav == cda If you take a bunch of wavs and put them on a cd they'll play in a normal cd player.... -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any idea why they are such a bad choice? I've never worked with one, and (perhaps unfortunately) my company just sold one (SonicWALL 200) to a customer, which I will be configuring when it arrives. > I have an issue with routing. The workstations on the LAN are on the same > masq'd IP subnet as my linux box. If I try to hit my server on its > registered IP (NAT'd by the Sonicwall), it times out. I asked the > "consultant" about this, he tells me that it's a problem with the > Sonicwall and there's no configuration that can fix it. He proceeds to > remind me that the Sonicwall is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Is the Apache server in the DMZ, with the SonicWALL protecting both the LAN and DMZ and doing NAT for both (probably different subnets, but still in non-routable networks like 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x)? > The reason I need its outside IP is that Apache is virtual hosting off of > one IP for a handful of domains and without the DNS headers, I can't get > to any site other than the default. Last I checked, this can't be spoofed > with a hosts file, it NEEDS the DNS header. Any ideas if the Sonicwall > can actually do this? Were you told that the SonicWALL is unable to route your NAT'd packets back through to the DMZ and/or the local network? Could you (or someone else) setup a DNS server inside the firewall, that would resolve your domains to local (and DMZ) IP addresses? -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020605/061a71c3/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 5 20:33:17 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband In-Reply-To: <20020605143633.FWZE29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>; from bneigebauer@attbi.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:36:32PM +0000 References: <20020605143633.FWZE29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: <20020605202136.E10820@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:36:32PM +0000, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > I got it to work. > > I used the -h 'hostname' option and switched ethernet > cards. I have a feeling the -h 'hostname' is what > really did it. > It depends, did you call AT&T after swapping the NIC? If the mac address in use isn't registered on their system you won't get an IP. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From sextus at visi.com Wed Jun 5 20:34:07 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020606012054.GA7043@visi.com> ON Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:36:55PM -0500, Brian wrote: > The reason I need its outside IP is that Apache is virtual hosting off of > one IP for a handful of domains and without the DNS headers, I can't get > to any site other than the default. Last I checked, this can't be spoofed > with a hosts file, it NEEDS the DNS header. Any ideas if the Sonicwall > can actually do this? I don't know about the SonicWall, but any modern browser that uses the standard resolver should create a Host header from an entry in /etc/hosts if it's listed in /etc/host.conf. Have you tried modifying /etc/hosts? -- Michael From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 20:59:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: <1023321540.2809.21.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On 5 Jun 2002, Dave Sherman wrote: > Any idea why they are such a bad choice? I've never worked with one, > and (perhaps unfortunately) my company just sold one (SonicWALL 200) > to a customer, which I will be configuring when it arrives. You unfortunate soul. :) From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 5 20:59:43 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: <20020605234650.GA3923@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Just curious why the .wav won't work? > > .wav == cda > > If you take a bunch of wavs and put them on a cd they'll play in a > normal cd player.... WAv's a slightly different format.. when you burn wav's with cdrecord, it strips the header and such off automagically. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jun 5 21:36:21 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CFEC19D.7060709@mtu.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > >>>Have you tried mindi or mondo? >>> >>> >>I tried mindi and the disks it created just spewed lots of errors. I >>haven't tried mondo. >> > > Can you post the errors? > > Both Carl and I have contributed to the project and I'd like to take a look at > the errors. > > Mindi has worked flawlessly for me on at least 10 installs. Ok, I installed 0.63 and had it build me a boot disk set. Got 1 boot disk and 2 data disks. I stick in the boot disk and reboot my system. I get the nice lilo menu, I hit return, I see "Loading expert...", then I'm back at the nice lilo menu. I hit return again with the same results. No error messages, just lilo over and over. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jun 5 21:39:44 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020605195848.A1571@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Jun 05, 2002), Troy.A Johnson was madly tapping out: > Steve, > > This is a little loose: 80% of 16k are Word or Frame. How many > Word? How many Frame? i was curious about the breakdown a couple months back so i did a quick survey of document types. most of the documents were word. i did this across all of the documents that were in the repository which includes a fair number of marketing types as well. engineering docs were more often than not frame while the marketroids (who incidently still produce "professional quality documents") tended to gravitate to the MS formats. with the recent changes in framemaker to be less *nix friendly the balance has shifted to be more word-centric. all of the documents are placed into a reposity which uses an oracle back end for handling the meta data associated with a given document as well as providing really nice ACLs for controlling who can get access to the document and such. it's really slick. if you don't have word or framemaker on your workstation you can still run the documents through a pdf or html output filter which will handle most of the nasties of conversion. word documents can be problematic since many times they include other objects which don't render into pdf or html nicely. (ref my spreadsheet insanity). documents are also indexed for content to allow searching. (unfortunately using verity and not google.) documents are also virus checked prior to check-in to prevent infection from dorks. template use and structure is very much encouraged. especially since it makes life easier for people overall. it's not nirvana but it's the best management system i've ever seen. that, and forums where people can be flamed for doing stupid stuff in the engineering ranks tends to make people a bit more aware about the stuff that they do. all of this is really besides the point - it's a tool that can be (ab)used. if you have powerful tools that non-technically oriented people can efficiently use in the creation of complex documents and exchange them with geeks that's a good thing. use the right tool for the job. TeX/LyX are not the right tools for exchanging documents with people who need to do things which evolve continually. it's fine for a research paper when the content is well baked but if it's changing all the time and still subject to publication you need a different hammer. > > Word docs in a repository make me cringe. I have no faith that the > vendor won't use the format as a competitive weapon, leaving me to > pay the price (conversion, configuration, licensing, ...). That and > the potential for viral payloads (even now) gives me the "heebee > jeebees". > > Your place of work sounds like a utopian world of word savy users. I > don't live in a place like that, no sir. > > Troy > > >>> sulrich@botwerks.org 06/05/02 11:03AM >>> > i use these tools every day as do thousands of engineers in the > company i work for. i have access to a document repository of 16k+ > of highly formatted and structured documents, 80% of these documents > are generated in word or my other favorite large document editor > framemaker. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 5 21:41:11 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: References: <20020605234650.GA3923@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020606023335.GB3923@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 08:49:22PM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > >WAv's a slightly different format.. when you burn wav's with cdrecord, it >strips the header and such off automagically. That may very well be, but I've played .wavs burned to cd with cdrecord on car stereos and such, sound quality lacks, but not much. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020605/536fcd2d/attachment.pgp From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Jun 5 22:13:24 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: <20020605181054.U27795@real-time.com> References: <20020605181054.U27795@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1023333906.13342.368.camel@yafa> > Mozilla-1.0.0 with ttf support is apt. Not sure why my patch to make it build > with ttf support was not accepted, but enjoy. In preparation for updating mozilla I ran apt-get update and got this: WARNING: 'xsoldier' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'crossfire-client' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'perl-SDL' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'lbreakout' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'crossfire-client-gtk' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'copter-commander' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'gtetrinet' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. WARNING: 'pysol-sound-server' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. from sources.list: ## Redhat 7.3 base and OS rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.3/i386 os updates ## Redhat 7.3 tclug custom packages rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.3/i386 tclug rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.3/noarch tclug Just an FYI. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jun 5 22:27:45 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk References: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020605234650.GA3923@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3CFED520.3772459C@dccmn.com> I just looked at an iso file today, the first 20 tracks or so are Volume labels and TOC info. If I remember right, the .iso files are binary images of the CD. That and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee... That would mean that the track you need to read is Volume label. I would try a DD of the raw device (before you mount it). Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:32:06PM -0500, duncan wrote: > >I've got a need to copy a whole CDDA track from a cd to my hard disk. > > > >Ever thing i seem to do wants to rip it to mp3, or wav.... but i want > >the CDDA track as it is on the cd. Can i use DD for that? I wasn't > >sure how to grab the specific track if that were the case. > > > >the best thing about this is an engineer here at work couldn't do it on > >his winders box, so he came to me and wanted to know if linux could do > >it. heh. > > Just curious why the .wav won't work? > > .wav == cda > > If you take a bunch of wavs and put them on a cd they'll play in a normal > cd player.... > > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > Droids now do ya?" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 5 23:02:16 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux + AT&T Broadband Message-ID: <20020606035131.URLB975.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Ya, i registered the new nic and checked it in windows. > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:36:32PM +0000, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > > I got it to work. > > > > I used the -h 'hostname' option and switched ethernet > > cards. I have a feeling the -h 'hostname' is what > > really did it. > > > > It depends, did you call AT&T after swapping the NIC? If > the mac address in use isn't registered on their system > you won't get an IP. > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jun 6 00:29:17 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <20020605195848.A1571@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:58:48PM -0500 References: <20020605195848.A1571@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:58:48PM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > all of the documents are placed into a reposity which uses an oracle > back end for handling the meta data associated with a given document > as well as providing really nice ACLs for controlling who can get > access to the document and such. it's really slick. Sounds great. Questions for you: 1. Which versions of Word does your system support? (e.g. Word XP, Word 2000, Word 97, Word 7, Word 6, Word for Windows 2.0, Word 5.5, ...) 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or 15 years from now? 3. Why not store the documents in rich text format instead of using Word's proprietary .doc format? If my understanding is correct, at least RTF is a published (non-secret) file format. 4. What program would you recommend for me if my work is going to be published (professionally) as a book? Are books that were formatted using MS Word being published these days? -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 03:15:26 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? In-Reply-To: <3CFEC19D.7060709@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 08:57:49PM -0500 References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> <3CFEC19D.7060709@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020606024611.E26468@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > Ok, I installed 0.63 and had it build me a boot disk set. Got 1 boot > disk and 2 data disks. I stick in the boot disk and reboot my system. > I get the nice lilo menu, I hit return, I see "Loading expert...", > then I'm back at the nice lilo menu. I hit return again with the same > results. No error messages, just lilo over and over. Did you tell it to use your kernel? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 03:15:33 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: <1023333906.13342.368.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:25:04PM -0500 References: <20020605181054.U27795@real-time.com> <1023333906.13342.368.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020606025043.F26468@real-time.com> Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > WARNING: 'xsoldier' has 2 packages with same version but different > dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'crossfire-client' has 2 packages with same version but > different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'perl-SDL' has 2 packages with same version but different > dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'lbreakout' has 2 packages with same version but different > dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'crossfire-client-gtk' has 2 packages with same version but > different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'copter-commander' has 2 packages with same version but > different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'gtetrinet' has 2 packages with same version but different > dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. > WARNING: 'pysol-sound-server' has 2 packages with same version but > different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. Hmm, any debian guys know what this means? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 07:35:41 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Joel Schneider wrote: > 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I > absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or > 15 years from now? I would think that .HTML is a good bet, as it is a very open standard and so one should not have to worry about the vendor going away in 10-15 years > 3. Why not store the documents in rich text format instead of using > Word's proprietary .doc format? If my understanding is correct, at > least RTF is a published (non-secret) file format. RTF is still (c) microsoft iirc, and at its best when MS was still using RTF it was a ery moiving target, RTF that came in WordPad was not compatable with RTF that came in word 97 or MS Write of Windows 3.1 infamy -munir From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Jun 6 07:36:40 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM in production system? References: <3CFACBF2.7020204@mtu.net> <20020603133725.GA22415@wookimus.net> <20020603140352.D1970@real-time.com> <3CFC1AA8.4000208@mtu.net> <20020604071258.X10244@real-time.com> <3CFEC19D.7060709@mtu.net> <20020606024611.E26468@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CFF53FC.2030107@mtu.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > >>Ok, I installed 0.63 and had it build me a boot disk set. Got 1 boot >>disk and 2 data disks. I stick in the boot disk and reboot my system. >> I get the nice lilo menu, I hit return, I see "Loading expert...", >>then I'm back at the nice lilo menu. I hit return again with the same >>results. No error messages, just lilo over and over. >> > > Did you tell it to use your kernel? > > Yes -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 6 08:39:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:22 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020606131333.GA577@iucha.net> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 07:18:07AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Joel Schneider wrote: > > > 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I > > absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or > > 15 years from now? > > I would think that .HTML is a good bet, as it is a very open standard and > so one should not have to worry about the vendor going away in 10-15 years You are missing the point. HTML is unadequate for documents. It is good to stuff some screen with text over the web but try to print the same page from 10 different browsers and you will get 10 different outputs. AFAIK Framemaker uses SGML which is an open standard. I do not know if Framemaker stylesheets are available or hidden in the binary but having the contents, it's not impossible to create good stylesheets. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> References: <20020605195848.A1571@botwerks.org> <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020606082018.A2206@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Jun 06, 2002), Joel Schneider was madly tapping out: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:58:48PM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > > all of the documents are placed into a reposity which uses an oracle > > back end for handling the meta data associated with a given document > > as well as providing really nice ACLs for controlling who can get > > access to the document and such. it's really slick. > > Sounds great. > > > Questions for you: > > 1. Which versions of Word does your system support? (e.g. Word XP, Word > 2000, Word 97, Word 7, Word 6, Word for Windows 2.0, Word 5.5, ...) as a document repository it's not required to support the different versions of word. hell there are powerpoint documents and verilog source in there. it archives all sorts of documents. what is required is the ability to let the indexer process these documents appropriately. from what i've seen verity, google, inktomi and others have licensed the appropriate technology to get at the guts of these documents and make this usable. > > 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I > absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or > 15 years from now? what makes you think that these documents will stay in this format for the next 10-15 years? with the ability to batch convert documents as standards and software evolve this becomes a moot point. microsoft provides fairly decent tools for batch upgrading documents from one revision to another and word processors have the ability to use previous versions of a document. repositories are near living things they continue to evolve and adapt to the needs of the business. > 3. Why not store the documents in rich text format instead of using > Word's proprietary .doc format? If my understanding is correct, at > least RTF is a published (non-secret) file format. when you start to publish in rtf you lose all of the hooks that you need for a structured document. you're going to have most of the basic formatting handled but you're going to lose the version tracking, the auto-(toc|index|glossary) generation capability you're not going to be able to handle embedded objects correctly. you've just taken a considerable step backwards. there are very valid business reasons for wanting to have all of that preserved. quite simply - failure to preserve these items does not enhance productivity. > > 4. What program would you recommend for me if my work is going to be > published (professionally) as a book? Are books that were formatted > using MS Word being published these days? > if you're going to be publishing a book your needs are going to be considerably different. you're going to need tools which are capable of doing much more fine grained layout than word can provide. when i've provided documentation for books to be published i've simply submitted my work in word, text, rtf and let the pagemaker/quark heads have at it. publishers have much more demanding requirements than can be addressed by tools such as word, and dare i say TeX/LyX. finally, i believe the problem at hand is the publication / generation of "professional quality documents" which does not necessarily equate to the publication of a book. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From mbrowne at attbi.com Thu Jun 6 08:40:52 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? References: <20020605195848.A1571@botwerks.org> <20020606000956.A21006@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <0bc701c20d5b$fd108ae0$1e02a8c0@zippy> 1) I get doc files from Boeing, USAF, US army, US Navy, all of my airline customers from around the world on a daily basis. I have no idea what version of word they use. All seem to open just fine in word 2000. All seem to open just fine in Word '97. 2. Hard to say. I have documents is WordStar, WordPerfect, AmiPro, and various page layout programs. I have to keep a copy of the programs around to read these older documents. I have made the effort to port some of them. Mostly, the "markup formatted" documents are just as hard to read as stuff with embedded magic codes. I would say that straight ASCII files are your best bet. Keep a paper file around if you want to preserve the formatting layout. Oddly enough, I doubt that most of the group can read any of my 20 year old documents on the media I have them on. (CPM OS floppies, spread across a mix of 8" formats, 5" hard sectored northstar and 1" punched paper tape) 3. Great idea. RTF did not exist 15 years ago. (See # 2) I have my doubts that it will be in use in 15 years. 4. Most books being printed today are submitted in word. The comment and markup features are used differently by each publisher. Some use notes, some use revision tracking, and most actually have a style guide they expect the author to follow. Word is a fact of life. Deal with it. You don't have to like it, but there it is. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Schneider" To: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:58:48PM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > all of the documents are placed into a reposity which uses an oracle > back end for handling the meta data associated with a given document > as well as providing really nice ACLs for controlling who can get > access to the document and such. it's really slick. Sounds great. Questions for you: 1. Which versions of Word does your system support? (e.g. Word XP, Word 2000, Word 97, Word 7, Word 6, Word for Windows 2.0, Word 5.5, ...) 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or 15 years from now? 3. Why not store the documents in rich text format instead of using Word's proprietary .doc format? If my understanding is correct, at least RTF is a published (non-secret) file format. 4. What program would you recommend for me if my work is going to be published (professionally) as a book? Are books that were formatted using MS Word being published these days? -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Jun 6 08:52:22 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading (using dd?) cdda track to disk In-Reply-To: <3CFED520.3772459C@dccmn.com>; from waynej@dccmn.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:21:04PM -0500 References: <1023309127.1586.265.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020605234650.GA3923@rtfm.sistina.com> <3CFED520.3772459C@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20020606084129.A1177@localhost.localdomain> .wav files are the digital data from your music cd. They should be an exact copy. CDROM's have some complex error detection/correction built in to deal with scratches gracefully. This and the fact that some CDROM's are crappier than others make this digital copying less than 100% exact. So there are tools like cdparanioa to oversample. I think there are a couple write modes "disk-at-once" & "track-at-once", where disk-at-once may be preferable if you want to get an exact copy of the almost empty space between songs. This may be required to generate the keys needed to lookup the music title in the CDDB databases. Also there are some funny options that can be set in these gaps. Checkout cdrdao program. Also you could look at: Check out CD-Writing-Howto, 3.2. Writing audio CDs From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 6 09:07:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > Most cheap NAT devices can't. Normally I'd accept this, but my Speedstream from Microcenter ($20 after rebate) does it just fine. I think the real solution here is to set up an internel DNS server and point all the affected workstations to it. I've set up BIND before and I think that may be the best solution in this case. I'll try the hosts file again, but I tried it maybe a year ago when working with host headers and it wouldn't work properly. Keep in mind the workstations are all of a M$ variety and are significantly less intelligent :-). -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 6 09:07:20 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: <1023321540.2809.21.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On 5 Jun 2002, Dave Sherman wrote: > Any idea why they are such a bad choice? I've never worked with one, and > (perhaps unfortunately) my company just sold one (SonicWALL 200) to a > customer, which I will be configuring when it arrives. I don't know what people have against them. Until I can get around my problem, chalk me up for being anti Sonicwall. My router of choice is the Speedstream that they sell at Microcenter. It has just about every feature you need, the web port is NOT accesible from the outside, it has a full firewalling feature set, etc. I haven't seen any features on a Linksys/Netgear/Sonicwall that this thing has. Not to mention they're the cheapest one available, I think Microcenter has them for <$50 now. > Is the Apache server in the DMZ, with the SonicWALL protecting both the > LAN and DMZ and doing NAT for both (probably different subnets, but > still in non-routable networks like 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x)? Nope, the Apache box and the LAN are on 192.168.1.0/24 > Were you told that the SonicWALL is unable to route your NAT'd packets > back through to the DMZ and/or the local network? Yes. > Could you (or someone else) setup a DNS server inside the firewall, that > would resolve your domains to local (and DMZ) IP addresses? This is what I'm thinking..... -Brian From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Jun 6 12:39:45 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: <20020606082018.A2206@botwerks.org> Message-ID: Out of curiosity - which repository are you using? I just had a horrible experience with a company who tried to extort $80K-$90K for our data (at my work, obviously). Joshua b. Jore ; http://www.greentechnologist.org ; 1121 1233 1311 200 1201 1302 1211 200 1201 1303 200 1300 1233 1313 1211 1302 1212 1311 1230 200 1201 1303 200 1321 1233 1311 1302 200 1211 1232 1211 1231 1321 200 1310 1220 1221 1232 1223 1303 200 1321 1233 1311 200 1201 1302 1211 232 200 1112 1233 1310 1211 200 1013 1302 1211 1211 1232 201 22 On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, steve ulrich wrote: > when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Jun 06, 2002), > Joel Schneider was madly tapping out: > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:58:48PM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > > > all of the documents are placed into a reposity which uses an oracle > > > back end for handling the meta data associated with a given document > > > as well as providing really nice ACLs for controlling who can get > > > access to the document and such. it's really slick. > > > > Sounds great. > > > > > > Questions for you: > > > > 1. Which versions of Word does your system support? (e.g. Word XP, Word > > 2000, Word 97, Word 7, Word 6, Word for Windows 2.0, Word 5.5, ...) > > as a document repository it's not required to support the different > versions of word. hell there are powerpoint documents and verilog > source in there. it archives all sorts of documents. what is > required is the ability to let the indexer process these documents > appropriately. from what i've seen verity, google, inktomi and others > have licensed the appropriate technology to get at the guts of these > documents and make this usable. > > > > > 2. What document processing program would you recommend for me if I > > absolutely need to be able to easily access all of the documents 10 or > > 15 years from now? > > what makes you think that these documents will stay in this format for > the next 10-15 years? with the ability to batch convert documents as > standards and software evolve this becomes a moot point. microsoft > provides fairly decent tools for batch upgrading documents from one > revision to another and word processors have the ability to use > previous versions of a document. repositories are near living things > they continue to evolve and adapt to the needs of the business. > > > 3. Why not store the documents in rich text format instead of using > > Word's proprietary .doc format? If my understanding is correct, at > > least RTF is a published (non-secret) file format. > > when you start to publish in rtf you lose all of the hooks that you > need for a structured document. you're going to have most of the > basic formatting handled but you're going to lose the version > tracking, the auto-(toc|index|glossary) generation capability you're > not going to be able to handle embedded objects correctly. you've > just taken a considerable step backwards. > > there are very valid business reasons for wanting to have all of that > preserved. quite simply - failure to preserve these items does not > enhance productivity. > > > > > 4. What program would you recommend for me if my work is going to be > > published (professionally) as a book? Are books that were formatted > > using MS Word being published these days? > > > > if you're going to be publishing a book your needs are going to be > considerably different. you're going to need tools which are capable > of doing much more fine grained layout than word can provide. when > i've provided documentation for books to be published i've simply > submitted my work in word, text, rtf and let the pagemaker/quark heads > have at it. publishers have much more demanding requirements than can > be addressed by tools such as word, and dare i say TeX/LyX. > > finally, i believe the problem at hand is the publication / generation > of "professional quality documents" which does not necessarily equate > to the publication of a book. > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 6 12:42:46 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically Message-ID: Hi I am developing an embedded system using linux. My system will not have a diaplay, keyboard or mouse attached to it when its in use. I want the system to login as root automatically in text mode and run the programs which I have developed automatically. I have installed Redhat Linux 6.2 in the system. Can anyone help me out? Thanks for the help. Sreekumar From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 12:50:24 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: <20020606025043.F26468@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Hmm, any debian guys know what this means? You've got different versions of the package in 2 of the different APT sources.. the two packages have different dependencies, but the same ver#. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 12:50:35 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colo and POS Sonicwall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Brian wrote: > Normally I'd accept this, but my Speedstream from Microcenter ($20 > after rebate) does it just fine. s/cheap/poor/ :) > I think the real solution here is to set up an internel DNS server and > point all the affected workstations to it. I've set up BIND before > and I think that may be the best solution in this case. I'll try the > hosts file again, but I tried it maybe a year ago when working with > host headers and it wouldn't work properly. Keep in mind the > workstations are all of a M$ variety and are significantly less > intelligent :-). That's the hackish way of doing it, though. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Jun 6 13:03:26 2002 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VIRUS Message-ID: <020606105752.27204463@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Since you guys are usually on top of these things and I haven't seen anyone mention it: --3 June 2002 Simile is Cross-Platform Virus The Simile virus infects Portable Executable (PE) and ELF files on both Windows and Linux operating systems. The virus does not carry a malicious payload, although infected files could display messages on certain dates. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/03/1022982662974.html http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.simile.html Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 13:09:03 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: References: <20020606025043.F26468@real-time.com> Message-ID: <57129.10.0.0.52.1023386524.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > You've got different versions of the package in 2 of the different APT > sources.. the two packages have different dependencies, but the same > ver#. Here is the sources.list I am using. ## Redhat 7.3 base and OS rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.3/i386 os updates ## Redhat 7.3 tclug custom packages rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.3/i386 tclug #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.3/noarch tclug ## RedHat 7.2 base OS and updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/i386 os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/noarch updates ## RedHat rawhide base OS and updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/rawhide/i386 os updates From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 13:12:48 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm Message-ID: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Hey gang, Do you guys know more about this? This RH rpm (RH 7.3) isn't setting up config.xmldb and a directory called config in /home/luser/evolution/ I upgraded evolution via apt-get over 1.0.3-4 I believe. I even apt-get removed evolution and installed it twice over. Anybody have any suggestion/info ? Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 13:25:23 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36483.198.74.20.75.1023387164.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> just place to commands to be run in /etc/rc.d/rc.local this should run them as the root user, -munir Sreekumar Kodakara said: blah... From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 6 13:25:43 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020606181425.GB577@iucha.net> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:29:56AM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I am developing an embedded system using linux. My system will not have a > diaplay, keyboard or mouse attached to it when its in use. I want the > system to login as root automatically in text mode and run the programs > which I have developed automatically. > I have installed Redhat Linux 6.2 in the system. > Can anyone help me out? Thanks for the help. Add it to /etc/rc.local or friends. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, - Jared From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 14:06:28 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 10:02:09AM -0500 References: <20020606025043.F26468@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020606134855.E11029@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Hmm, any debian guys know what this means? > > You've got different versions of the package in 2 of the different APT > sources.. the two packages have different dependencies, but the same ver#. > that is a sources.list problem? I mean use the same src.rpm to generate 7.2 and 7.3 i386.rpms, the deps are different because of the point release of the OS. How am I to fix that? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 14:10:29 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50711.198.74.20.75.1023389575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Jared Burns said: > Is it possible to connect to a pre-existing window on a remote X > server? iirc there is an implementation of VNC that allows you to do just that, but i do not recall the name of it. -munir From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 6 14:11:18 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:30:09PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > Is it possible to connect to a pre-existing window on a remote X server? > > If I have my mail program running on my desktop and I go to a machine > down the hall, is there any way to display the pre-existing window? No. You have to install VNC-server, a modified X server, and use the XVNC client. Since you haven't done this, there is no way for you to get your X11 display from a local machine. Now, if you were a "k001 h4X0R"... ahem. If you use a console-based email client, as in mutt, pine, elm, nmh, or even emacs w/some funky elisp mailmode, AND if you were running screen[1], you could power-detach the screen instance from your workstation's display and reattach it to your ssh/telnet instance to that machine. The key to this solution is running screen. Once you try it, you'll never go back. References ---------- 1. http://www.gnu.org/directory/screen.html -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020606/528ca305/attachment.pgp From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Jun 6 14:18:23 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gimp Presentation Message-ID: <3CFFD048.9000801@attbi.com> I am presenting an Introduction to the GIMP for the TCPC user group on Tue June 11 at 7PM. Check their web for directions if you are interested. SALES PITCH I have been a computer graphics hobbyist for several years now, experimenting with a variety of low cost graphics and photo editing tools with varying levels of frustration until I discovered the GIMP, the GNU Image Manipulation tool. The GIMP has often been compared to professional programs like Photoshop costing hundreds of dollars but the GIMP is available at little or no cost. This presentation is primarily intended to introduce you to the wide range of features available with this application, but we'll also show you how to get started. This presentation will illustrate some basic techniques, show you how to use the basic tool set, and introduce you to a variety of sources that you can use to expand your expertise or try out just for fun. GIMP was originally developed in Linux and the presentation will also utilize the Linux OS but GIMP is also available for Windows. -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Jun 6 14:20:50 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:29:56AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020606140111.A3682@okane.localnet> check out this linux journal article, look specifically at the autologin section. I use it alot since I do most of my work on the text consoles. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3121 Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I am developing an embedded system using linux. My system will not have a > diaplay, keyboard or mouse attached to it when its in use. I want the > system to login as root automatically in text mode and run the programs > which I have developed automatically. > I have installed Redhat Linux 6.2 in the system. > Can anyone help me out? Thanks for the help. > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 14:33:13 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > I am developing an embedded system using linux. My system will not > have a diaplay, keyboard or mouse attached to it when its in use. I > want the system to login as root automatically in text mode and run > the programs which I have developed automatically. I have installed > Redhat Linux 6.2 in the system. Can anyone help me out? Thanks for the > help. Sreekumar You can just run your program out of init, don't need to have it log in. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 14:37:22 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla-1.0.0 + ttf support in apt In-Reply-To: <20020606134855.E11029@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > that is a sources.list problem? > > I mean use the same src.rpm to generate 7.2 and 7.3 i386.rpms, the > deps are different because of the point release of the OS. > > How am I to fix that? Hmm.. if it's just 7.2/7.3, as long as you din't list archives from both 7.2 and 7.3 in sources.list, should be ok. You could also change the version # for 7.2 vs 7.3, which should take care of it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 6 15:02:31 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: >Anybody have any suggestion/info ? use mutt. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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R From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jun 6 15:34:50 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:31:39PM -0500 References: <36483.198.74.20.75.1023387164.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020606151951.A28612@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:31:39PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > As a follow-up to the original question, how does one have a system > automatically run commands NOT as root when starting up? Is there > some way (short of writing C, which I could do), to run commands as a > user with fewer privileges? > > I have a linux box I'm using as an MP3 jukebox, and I'd be happy to > run some of the housekeeping stuff just as a user in the audio group. > su -c command -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 15:35:11 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > As a follow-up to the original question, how does one have a system > automatically run commands NOT as root when starting up? Is there > some way (short of writing C, which I could do), to run commands as a > user with fewer privileges? > > I have a linux box I'm using as an MP3 jukebox, and I'd be happy to > run some of the housekeeping stuff just as a user in the audio group. man su. su -c 'command' user -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Jun 6 15:36:27 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:31:39PM -0500 References: <36483.198.74.20.75.1023387164.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020606152232.A3699@knicknack.net> su - user -c command On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:31:39PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > As a follow-up to the original question, how does one have a system > automatically run commands NOT as root when starting up? Is there > some way (short of writing C, which I could do), to run commands as a > user with fewer privileges? > > I have a linux box I'm using as an MP3 jukebox, and I'd be happy to > run some of the housekeeping stuff just as a user in the audio group. > > Thanks! > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Jun 6 16:30:46 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VIRUS In-Reply-To: <020606105752.27204463@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <020606105752.27204463@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1023396374.3cffca16704c8@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Quoting HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu: > Since you guys are usually on top of these things and I haven't seen anyone > mention it: > > --3 June 2002 Simile is Cross-Platform Virus > The Simile virus infects Portable Executable (PE) and ELF files on > both Windows and Linux operating systems. The virus does not carry > a malicious payload, although infected files could display messages > on certain dates. > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/03/1022982662974.html > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.simile.html Of course, what is important is that under Linux, the user would still have to be dumb enough to run the executable. Ergo, it cannot be considered a virus in the traditional sense but a trojan horse, and one that has already been demonstrated before. This is really a non-issue for Linux, which is probably why no one bothered to discuss it. :Peter From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 16:41:31 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> References: <36483.198.74.20.75.1023387164.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <42297.198.74.20.78.1023398063.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Robert P. Goldman said: > > As a follow-up to the original question, how does one have a system > automatically run commands NOT as root when starting up? Is there some > way (short of writing C, which I could do), to run commands as a user > with fewer privileges? have you tried: su - -c '' the 's are necessary if you have command line options -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 16:41:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> References: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <54145.198.74.20.78.1023398167.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Chad Walstrom said: > reattach it to your ssh/telnet instance to that machine. telnet? bad ^chewie, bad bad ^chewie! -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 16:45:17 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <62456.198.74.20.78.1023398239.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Ben Lutgens said: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net > wrote: >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? > > use mutt. use pine ;-) -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 6 16:45:30 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <62316.198.74.20.78.1023398238.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Ben Lutgens said: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net > wrote: >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? > > use mutt. use pine ;-) -munir From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 6 17:01:15 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: <54145.198.74.20.78.1023398167.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> <54145.198.74.20.78.1023398167.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020606215624.GF4177@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:16:07PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Chad Walstrom said: > > reattach it to your ssh/telnet instance to that machine. > > telnet? bad ^chewie, bad bad ^chewie! Package: telnet-ssl Priority: extra Section: net Installed-Size: 175 Maintainer: Christoph Martin Architecture: i386 Source: netkit-telnet-ssl Version: 0.17.17+0.1-2 Replaces: netstd Provides: telnet-client Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.2.20020112a-1), libssl0.9.6 Conflicts: telnet, ssltelnet (<< 0.12) Filename: pool/main/n/netkit-telnet-ssl/telnet-ssl_0.17.17+0.1-2_i386.deb Size: 85134 MD5sum: 63a68f26b9d9303c807f4a7f78e30fe1 Description: The telnet client with SSL encryption support. The telnet command is used for interactive communication with another host using the TELNET protocol. . SSL telnet(d) replaces normal telnet(d) using SSL authentication and encryption. It interoperates with normal telnet(d) in both directions. It checks if the other side is also talking SSL, if not it falls back to normal telnet protocol. . Advantages over normal telnet(d): Your passwords and the data you send will not go in cleartext over the line. Nobody can get it with tcpdump or similar tools. With SSLtelnet you can also connect to https-server like https://www.netscape.com. Just do 'telnet www.netscape.com 443' -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 6 19:40:37 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeSWAN + Linksys VPN Router In-Reply-To: <20020605143816.FXZI2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> References: <20020605143816.FXZI2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Message-ID: <20020605150146.GY21257@ringworld.org> * bneigebauer@attbi.com [020605 09:45]: > Anyone have svcess getting FreeSWAN working? Yes > > Anyone have any luck getting FreeSWAN to work with a > Linksys VPN router? Haven't tried yet. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ 01:00 LILO IS REALLY DIANORA 01:00 DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE From jiml at visi.com Thu Jun 6 19:40:45 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023392247.958.0.camel@eagle.louishome.net> try x0rfbserver On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 13:30, Jared Burns wrote: > Is it possible to connect to a pre-existing window on a remote X server? > > If I have my mail program running on my desktop and I go to a machine > down the hall, is there any way to display the pre-existing window? > > Thanks, > - Jared > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Jun 6 19:42:37 2002 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attaching to windows on a remote X server? In-Reply-To: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> References: <20020606185636.GD4177@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I'm familiar with screen and VNC. I was just wondering if there was some way to do it with the x server alone. Thanks, - Jared On Thursday 06 June 2002 01:56 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:30:09PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > > Is it possible to connect to a pre-existing window on a remote X server? > > > > If I have my mail program running on my desktop and I go to a machine > > down the hall, is there any way to display the pre-existing window? > > No. You have to install VNC-server, a modified X server, and use the > XVNC client. Since you haven't done this, there is no way for you to > get your X11 display from a local machine. > > Now, if you were a "k001 h4X0R"... ahem. If you use a console-based > email client, as in mutt, pine, elm, nmh, or even emacs w/some funky > elisp mailmode, AND if you were running screen[1], you could > power-detach the screen instance from your workstation's display and > reattach it to your ssh/telnet instance to that machine. > > The key to this solution is running screen. Once you try it, you'll > never go back. > > References > ---------- > 1. http://www.gnu.org/directory/screen.html From clay at fandre.com Thu Jun 6 19:43:59 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No June TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20020606194308.GA15075@fandre.com> The bad news: There will be no TCLUG meeting this Saturday. It's summertime and you are suppose to do things outside on Saturday. And it's suppose to be nice so you have no excuse. The good news: We will be having an installfest next month! Details below: When: Saturday July 13th, 2002 11:00 am to 5:00 pm Where: 215 N 1st St Minneapolis, MN Minneapolis Warehouse district. It's the Williams Building. Brick bldg with green and black sign over the front door. Map: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=215+N+1st+St&city=Minnea +polis&state=MN&zipcode=&homesubmit.x=39&homesubmit.y=11 Parking: Street parking (meters are free on weekends) and limited spaces along side of the building. Folks should bring their computers, all cables necessary (ethernet, power, etc...) Anyone with spare switches or hubs should bring them along too. We have a T1 to the Internet. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 6 19:50:23 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <62456.198.74.20.78.1023398239.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> <62456.198.74.20.78.1023398239.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:17:19PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ben Lutgens said: > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net > > wrote: > >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? > > > > use mutt. > > use pine ;-) Use mutt. Pine sends duplicate messages from time to time... ROTFLMAO, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020606/719e01a8/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 19:51:59 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login into Linux Automatically In-Reply-To: References: <15615.47259.537858.199425@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <15615.58963.606925.640074@cthulhu.mydomain> Thanks to all for the advice. I should have realized. Dunno what I was thinking --- I guess I've never used su except interactively. r From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 6 19:53:17 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VIRUS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Not if they got a hold of a port of Outlook for Linux... Scariest thing I've seen in a long time: Managing to get OE 5.5 to pop up in a Wine windows with CodeWeaver Office.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Jun 6 20:27:38 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Gimp Presentation Message-ID: <3CFFD048.9000801@attbi.com> I am presenting an Introduction to the GIMP for the TCPC user group on Tue June 11 at 7PM. Check their web for directions if you are interested. SALES PITCH I have been a computer graphics hobbyist for several years now, experimenting with a variety of low cost graphics and photo editing tools with varying levels of frustration until I discovered the GIMP, the GNU Image Manipulation tool. The GIMP has often been compared to professional programs like Photoshop costing hundreds of dollars but the GIMP is available at little or no cost. This presentation is primarily intended to introduce you to the wide range of features available with this application, but we'll also show you how to get started. This presentation will illustrate some basic techniques, show you how to use the basic tool set, and introduce you to a variety of sources that you can use to expand your expertise or try out just for fun. GIMP was originally developed in Linux and the presentation will also utilize the Linux OS but GIMP is also available for Windows. -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 6 20:43:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> <62456.198.74.20.78.1023398239.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020607013659.GA4364@rtfm.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 05:36:22PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:17:19PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >> Ben Lutgens said: >> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net >> > wrote: >> >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? >> > >> > use mutt. >> >> use pine ;-) > >Use mutt. Pine sends duplicate messages from time to time... ^5 -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer vmware but that's just me. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020606/38792603/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 00:49:05 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD rom playing audio cds Message-ID: <20020606221824.B17390@real-time.com> I got a Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-116 0109, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive and for the life of me I cannot it to play audio cds. I know sound is working, I can bring up a mp3 and play it just fine. Same with .mpg files. But if I put an audio cd into the drive, it shows it playing, but no sound. I'm running redhat 7.3 kde3 emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jun 7 00:54:45 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.2->7.3 apt-get dist-upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020605161652.E23463@real-time.com> References: <20020605161652.E23463@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020607044056.CA0846031E@friday.localdomain.fake> I had the same thing happen, as well as several dependancy issues that took some forcing to get past. I think there is some package that dosnt depend just on the 2.4.18 kernel, but for whatever reason depends on the smp one. I have never noticed much of a difference in performance between the SMP and non-SMP kernels on my workstations, so I dont view it as a big deal. On Wednesday 05 June 2002 04:16 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm testing using apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my RH 7.2 boxes to > 7.3. When I did this, I noticed in the list of NEW packages to be > installed, it listed kernel-smp#2.4.18-4. These are single CPU boxes, > so I'm wondering why it would do that. I got around it by manually > installing the new kernel. > > apt-get install kernel#2.4.18-4 > > My apt.conf looks like this: > > RPM > { > // Leave list empty to disable > AllowedDupPkgs {"^kernel$"; "kernel-smp"; "kernel-enterprise"; }; > HoldPkgs {"kernel-source"; "kernel-headers"; }; > } > > I currently have 2.4.9-31 kernel installed: > > # rpm -qa|grep ^kernel > kernel-source-2.4.9-31 > kernel-2.4.9-31 > kernel-headers-2.4.9-31 > kernel-doc-2.4.9-31 > > Any ideas? From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 7 02:09:05 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD rom playing audio cds In-Reply-To: <20020606221824.B17390@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I know sound is working, I can bring up a mp3 and play it just fine. Same with > .mpg files. But if I put an audio cd into the drive, it shows it playing, but no > sound. Did you connect the audio cable form the DVDROM to the SBLive? If so, did you use the analog one or the digital one? -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 02:39:08 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:17:19PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Ben Lutgens said: > > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net > > > wrote: > > >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? > > > > > > use mutt. > > > > use pine ;-) > > Use mutt. Pine sends duplicate messages from time to time... use pine because you do not want to have a configuration file that is ten miles long and about as user-friendly as a microsoft network -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 02:39:30 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD rom playing audio cds In-Reply-To: <20020606221824.B17390@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I got a Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-116 0109, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive and for > the life of me I cannot it to play audio cds. > > I know sound is working, I can bring up a mp3 and play it just fine. Same with > .mpg files. But if I put an audio cd into the drive, it shows it playing, but no > sound. did you by any chance forget the internal audio connector? -munir From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jun 7 07:23:56 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: References: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020607121453.GA6537@rtfm.sistina.com> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 02:17:05AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > >use pine because you do not want to have a configuration file that is ten >miles long and about as user-friendly as a microsoft network Not to mention have half as much functionality.... Personally I prefer mutt's config file. It's very easy to read and understand and allows a power user to customize mutt anyway they like. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020607/89072a1c/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 7 07:50:16 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: References: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020607122819.GA2068@iucha.net> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 02:17:05AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > use mutt. > > > use pine ;-) > > Use mutt. Pine sends duplicate messages from time to time... > > use pine because you do not want to have a configuration file that is ten > miles long and about as user-friendly as a microsoft network Huh? manual.txt is very comprehensive. And how often do you change your configuration? I haven't changed mine in months. Once it works, you forget about it. OTOH, have you ever looked at pine configuration? It's in the same ballpark 8^) florin PS: It was the time for the third MUA flamefest on TCLUG. Party on! -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 07 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > Is there a way to use apt-get to install a particular version of a > package? I was trying to install kernel-source-2.4.9-31 but the APT > repository also had 2.4.9-34. I couldn't find a way to tell it the > version number I wanted. It seems, apt will always install the latest > version by default but surely there must be a way to specify other. > I couldn't find anything in the man pages on this. Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jun 7 09:11:03 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [OT] Word was Re: LyX was Re: [TCLUG] Apple i Book ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20020606082018.A2206@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20020607090318.B3405@botwerks.org> this is an internally developed document repository. evidently there really wasn't anything that fit the bill on the market and it was deemed important enough to develop. it's not without it's warts but it's pretty darn nice. when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Jun 06, 2002), Joshua b. Jore was madly tapping out: > Out of curiosity - which repository are you using? I just had a horrible > experience with a company who tried to extort $80K-$90K for our data (at > my work, obviously). > { snipped - misc previous correspondence } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 7 09:11:24 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020607141226.GA7561@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > Is there a way to use apt-get to install a particular version of a > package? I was trying to install kernel-source-2.4.9-31 but the APT > repository also had 2.4.9-34. I couldn't find a way to tell it the > version number I wanted. It seems, apt will always install the latest > version by default but surely there must be a way to specify other. > I couldn't find anything in the man pages on this. Thanks. Personally, I don't try to decipher the kernel-source packages and the mass of patches that are applied in one monolithic diff file. This is my one pet-peeve with Debian packages. They do /not/ respect the patch! ;-) There are some packages that are now shipping with a tarball of patches applied during the build process rather than during the initial unpacking process. Back to the kernel-source. These packages are largely useless. I've found them more confusing than anything. The easiest way to create a Debian kernel is to download the original kernel tarball, then use make-kpkg from the kernel-package toolkit. cd ~ mkdir src cd src tar -zxvf linux-2.4.9.tar.gz cd linux cp /boot/config-2.4.x .config make menuconfig make-kpkg clean sudo make-kpkg --revision='1:200205071' \ --append-to-version='-custom' \ kernel_image 2&>1 | \ tee /tmp/linux-2.4.9-custom-200205071 #dpkg --install ../kernel-image-2.4.9... Now, to answer some of your apt questions, you must specify which distribution you want to install from: stable, testing, or unstable. -31 may be in stable but not in testing. Your /etc/apt/sources.list file may have only testing or only stable. Apt will only resolve packages that it finds in the Packages.gz files, which are located under specific distribution directories: ftp://mirror/pub/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz corresponds to deb ftp://mirror/pub/debian stable main Now, if you want to list multiple distributions in your sources.list file but pick and choose which package to install, you need to use "pinning" from the /etc/apt/preferences file. Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 800 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 500 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 70 This would set up a priority of stable packages over all else, but allow some priority to testing packages. Unstable would be ignored unless you specify it on the commandline: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.9/unstable (If it existed in unstable.) You can also use the preferences file to specify certain packages to ALWAYS track from unstable. Since I like galeon, I need mozilla. I need to list all of the packages that I want to track from unstable because my default (at work) is to track testing: Package: mozilla Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: mozilla-browser Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: mozilla-mailnews Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: mozilla-psm Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: galeon Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: libnss3 Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 Package: libnspr4 Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 998 READ MORE: apt_preferences(5), found via man -k apt. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alternatively a specific dis? > tribution can be selected by following the package > name with a slash and the version of the distribu? > tion or the Archive name (stable, frozen, unsta? > ble). Thanks. That does not appear to work with RH. Sounds like a nice feature though! :) -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020607/cf990edb/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 10:00:11 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > Thanks. That does not appear to work with RH. Sounds like a nice > feature though! :) Yeah, RH's Apt kinda sucks in a lot of ways.. their search functionality's kinda cripped (well, i'm sure there's a different way to do it, but I haven't taken the time to figure it out): RH Box: $ apt-cache search kernel image 2.4.18 smp E: You must give exactly one pattern Debian Box: $ apt-cache search kernel image 2.4.18 smp kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From calance at qwest.net Fri Jun 7 10:00:26 2002 From: calance at qwest.net (Craig A. Lance) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a Linux box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. Thanks, -=- Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version From amy at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 11:58:40 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: Email Client issues WAS Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls>; from calance@qwest.net on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500 References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Message-ID: <20020607101306.A2021@real-time.com> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance (calance@qwest.net) wrote: > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a Linux > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. I use mutt. I don't know why Outlook would put the body of my message in an attachment (that would be annoying). My only thought is that my pgp signatures is confusing it somehow. Anyone else having that problem with my messages? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not the sender's fault in any way, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Jun 7 12:10:27 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Message-ID: <1023464652.23316.30.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 09:53, Craig A. Lance wrote: > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a Linux > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > > Thanks, > Outlook Express can't understand PGP signed e-mails except as attachments. Annoying :( -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From michael.arolan at excite.com Fri Jun 7 12:11:51 2002 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Message-ID: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> Hi All - Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a user account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account right? What I would like to know is how I can create a mail account without the user having an OS account! Any takers on this? Regards ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 7 12:12:06 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Message-ID: <20020607155646.GC7561@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance wrote: > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a > Linux box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely > Amy Tanner, that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's > very annoying? For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. Why not razz you? You're using LookOut! It's broken. It's non-standard. It doesn't understand MIME or SMIME correctly. Amy's client is doing just fine with her detatched digital signatures. 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Lance wrote: > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a Linux > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > > Thanks, > > -=- Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Tanner" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version > Sorry to hijack, but Amy's uses Mutt; this information is available in the headers of her email. The reason for the attachments is that she's PGP-signing her emails. Here's a nickel, kid. Get yerself a *real* email client. :-) https://sourceforge.net/projects/unixmail-w32/ -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jun 7 12:17:10 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls>; from calance@qwest.net on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500 References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Message-ID: <20020607115310.N10820@techmonkeys.org> Actually she's PGP signing her emails, you can get a plugin for OE that will decipher it, or run mutt on your windows box and it will support it out of the box. On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance wrote: > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a Linux > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > > Thanks, > > -=- Craig -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 7 12:37:12 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, wrote: > Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a user account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account right? What I would like to know is how I can create a mail account without the user having an OS account! Any takers on this? You can accomplish this by playing with the alieses file. If you want people to be able to READ their Email, you'll have to get a pop or imap daemon that can also use the sendmail aliases file. Why do you want them not to have accounts? Wouldn't it be simpler to just add the accounts and make them unable to login to the system? -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 7 12:39:46 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607155646.GC7561@wookimus.net> References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> <20020607155646.GC7561@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020607172818.GG26676@fandre.com> You can always install cygwin/mutt. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ On Fri, 07 Jun 2002, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance wrote: > > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a > > Linux box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely > > Amy Tanner, that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's > > very annoying? For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > > Why not razz you? You're using LookOut! It's broken. It's > non-standard. It doesn't understand MIME or SMIME correctly. Amy's > client is doing just fine with her detatched digital signatures. > Annoying or not, it's not her problem. You need to find a better > client. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 12:39:58 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail > without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a > user account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account > right? What I would like to know is how I can create a mail account > without the user having an OS account! Any takers on this? LDAP's the simplest. There are about a million other ways, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From myok at ogzr.org Fri Jun 7 12:40:15 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: Email Client issues WAS Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607101306.A2021@real-time.com> References: <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020607122522.00acfec0@mail.ogzr.org> At 10:13 AM 6/7/02 -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance >(calance@qwest.net) wrote: > > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I don't have a > Linux > > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, namely Amy Tanner, > > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's very annoying? > > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > >I use mutt. I don't know why Outlook would put the body of my message in >an attachment (that would be annoying). My only thought is that my pgp >signatures is confusing it somehow. > >Anyone else having that problem with my messages? I think we went through this some months ago, back when everyone was mucking about with headers and such. Yes, when I used Outlook Express every mutt-sent message came with the text in an attachment. None of the other mail readers I've tried have had that problem. -- Carl Patten From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Jun 7 12:40:30 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: You can use the cyrus-imap daemon. It will allow you to have imap mail users (who can use a web based mail client such as squirrelmail or something similar, there are lots) who do not have a shell account on your server. Note that Cyrus is not for the faint of heart. There is a cyrus-howto document on linuxdoc.org that isn't too out of date. The Cyrus website is at: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ Administration of a cyrus-imap server can be more of a pain, but it's the only way that I've found (with open-source software anyway) of having mail users independent of the rest of the system. Note that you can also create normal users on your box, let them access e-mail via imap, and in /etc/passwd define the users as not having a shell. This should (in theory, I have not personally tried this) give you users that can send and receive e-mail, but can't log directory into a shell on your box. Jeff On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > > Hi All - > > Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail > without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a > user account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account > right? What I would like to know is how I can create a mail account > without the user having an OS account! Any takers on this? > > Regards > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 12:44:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <34285.198.74.20.75.1023471474.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > > Hi All - > > Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail > without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a > user account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account > right? What I would like to know is how I can create a mail account > without the user having an OS account! Any takers on this? iirc this cannot be done in sendmail you will need in integrated mail package, like Qmail or Courier-MTA -munir PS. if you just want to prevent the users from logging into the server just make their shell /bin/false, From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 13:39:04 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020607121453.GA6537@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> <20020607121453.GA6537@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <38330.198.74.20.75.1023471776.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Ben Lutgens said: > Not to mention have half as much functionality.... Personally I prefer > mutt's config file. It's very easy to read and understand and allows a > power user to customize mutt anyway they like. and newbies get lost in the endless list of options that can be set... no thanks, i have some users who do not care for all the options, i just setup /etc/pine.conf.fixed and they never have to worry about it -munir From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 13:39:17 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1023472916.22741.19.camel@yafa> Erm, thank you all for this intelligent discussion. ;) Maybe I am slow. But in all of this goldmine of information I missed the part where Evolution's problem is discussed. Anyway. The problem seems to be with installing non-Red Hat packages of Mozilla (specifically mozilla-nspr) which fux0rs with RedHat's bonobo and oaf. I installed Mozilla 1.0 and boom Evo is cranky. I remove the new Mozilla and go back to 0.9.9 and boom. Evo works again. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 13:41:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020607122819.GA2068@iucha.net> References: <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> <20020607122819.GA2068@iucha.net> Message-ID: <59864.198.74.20.75.1023471961.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Florin Iucha said: >> use pine because you do not want to have a configuration file that is >> ten miles long and about as user-friendly as a microsoft network > > Huh? manual.txt is very comprehensive. not very.. too > And how often do you change your configuration? I haven't changed mine > in months. Once it works, you forget about it. about once a year, but newbies who do not care about it will be lost > OTOH, have you ever looked at pine configuration? It's in the same > ballpark 8^) yeah, but everything can be configured within pine and is easy to read, you do not have an option that is "do_this = this" and it ends up doing "that" sorry i do not have any specific examples now, but next time i play with it i will let you know. > PS: It was the time for the third MUA flamefest on TCLUG. Party on! > flame war? we are just having fun!!! From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 13:43:10 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:29 2005 Subject: Email Client issues WAS Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607101306.A2021@real-time.com> References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> <20020607101306.A2021@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15616.61912.673589.6849@cthulhu.mydomain> I invoke mutt (sometimes; I'm still on the fence between staying with Xemacs VM and switching to mutt) using Xemacs to compose my messages. All my email sent that way seems to go out as a text/plain attachment. I haven't heard of anyone being unable to read it, though, including Outlook users. R From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 7 14:38:22 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Yeah!? Well, I can beat a dead horse, too!" (was Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm) Message-ID: <20020607192208.GD7561@wookimus.net> Mind if we stop the little MUA battle. It's getting rather boring, as well as having stolen the original thread. I've stopped myself a number of times already from contributing to the noise. Here's the scenario: The letter is written; my MUA kindly waits for my instruction. I think to myself, "Did my reply actually ADD anything to this discussion, or does it perpetuate a progress halting argument?" I press the "q" button. The MUA asks me if I wish to postpone. I answer, "Y", initially thinking that I'll have SOMETHING worthwhile to say later. Of course, I don't come up with anything and eventually delete the message. Thanks, -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) wrote: > Erm, > > thank you all for this intelligent discussion. ;) > > Maybe I am slow. But in all of this goldmine of information I missed the > part where Evolution's problem is discussed. > > Anyway. The problem seems to be with installing non-Red Hat packages of > Mozilla (specifically mozilla-nspr) which fux0rs with RedHat's bonobo > and oaf. I installed Mozilla 1.0 and boom Evo is cranky. I remove the > new Mozilla and go back to 0.9.9 and boom. Evo works again. I had a problem with evolution this morning when I upgraded to RH 7.3. It may be related to your problem... When I ran evolution, I got a popup window that displayed: Cannot initialize the Ximian Evolution shell: Configuration Database not found And in my xterm, I got this: evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot access Bonobo/ConfigDatabase on wombat: (IDL:OAF/GeneralError:1.0) I had to add /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and logout/in of X. Then it worked again. You may want to try that. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020607/2765cd0a/attachment.pgp From michael.arolan at excite.com Fri Jun 7 14:56:01 2002 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Message-ID: <20020607194304.96E1EB6DC@xmxpita.excite.com> Thanks guys - Got all the information I need now. --- On Fri 06/07, Yaron wrote: From: Yaron [mailto: jethro@freakzilla.com] To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Fri 06/07 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail > Hey, > > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, wrote: > > > Sendmail. How can users be added, modified, delete from sendmail > without the user having an OS account? In other words, when I set up a user > account on Linux, the user automatically gets a mail account right? What I > would like to know is how I can create a mail account without the user > having an OS account! Any takers on this? > > You can accomplish this by playing with the alieses file. If you want > people to be able to READ their Email, you'll have to get a pop or imap > daemon that can also use the sendmail aliases file. > > Why do you want them not to have accounts? Wouldn't it be simpler to just > add the accounts and make them unable to login to the system? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 16:02:52 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Yeah!? Well, I can beat a dead horse, too!" (was Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm) In-Reply-To: <20020607192208.GD7561@wookimus.net> References: <20020607192208.GD7561@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <60649.198.74.20.75.1023483489.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Chad Walstrom said: well you're not fun! -munir From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 16:25:32 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020607142519.H3049@real-time.com> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <1023472916.22741.19.camel@yafa> <20020607142519.H3049@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3291.162.96.160.97.1023483862.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > Cannot initialize the Ximian Evolution shell: Configuration Database > not found Right. Exact message I got. > And in my xterm, I got this: > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot access Bonobo/ConfigDatabase on > wombat: (IDL:OAF/GeneralError:1.0) I got this when I ran evolution --debug=file.foo > I had to add /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and logout/in > of X. Then it worked again. You may want to try that. Thank you Amy. I'll RTFM and STFW from here. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From carlos at eberhardt.net Fri Jun 7 17:18:15 2002 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (Carlos Eberhardt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <1023472916.22741.19.camel@yafa> <20020607142519.H3049@real-time.com> <3291.162.96.160.97.1023483862.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <3D011A4E.4000404@eberhardt.net> nassarsa@redconcepts.net wrote: >>Cannot initialize the Ximian Evolution shell: Configuration Database >>not found > > > Right. Exact message I got. > > Jumping in mid-thread here, but when I get that message (usually after an update in gentoo), I throw out an 'oaf-slay' in xterm and that clears it up. (I suppose I could be answering a question no one has asked here, but oh well.. it's Friday.) carlos From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 17:21:16 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020607142519.H3049@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 02:25:20PM -0500 References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <1023472916.22741.19.camel@yafa> <20020607142519.H3049@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020607170151.H3113@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > I had a problem with evolution this morning when I upgraded to RH 7.3. > It may be related to your problem... > > When I ran evolution, I got a popup window that displayed: > > Cannot initialize the Ximian Evolution shell: Configuration Database not found > > And in my xterm, I got this: > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot access Bonobo/ConfigDatabase on wombat: (IDL:OAF/GeneralError:1.0) > > I had to add /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and logout/in > of X. Then it worked again. You may want to try that. Mozilla-1.0.0 moved the location of its .so, how irritating. Another way to fix this is to add the following to your /etc/ld.so.conf # echo "/usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0" >> /etc/ld.so.conf # ldconfig I'll update the mozilla rpm to automatically do this. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 17:21:46 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about mpg123 Message-ID: <15617.11896.357292.516342@cthulhu.mydomain> I'd like to be able to play mp3's w/o X, so would like to use mpg123 instead of xmms. But when I try, I get the following: Playing MPEG stream from 01-close.mp3 ... MPEG 1.0 layer III, 64 kbit/s, 44100 Hz stereo big_values too large! mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 513 bits! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! big_values too large! mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 9 bits! mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 2477 bits! big_values too large! big_values too large! mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 2848 bits! Blocktype == 0 and window-switching == 1 not allowed. Any idea what this means and if there's anything I can do about it? Many thanks! R From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jun 7 17:38:06 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: Email Client issues WAS Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version In-Reply-To: <20020607101306.A2021@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001401c20e71$cc0a36f0$6c01a8c0@HPZT> I'm using OuchLook 2000 for now, and I get unreadable attachments like ATTxxxxx.dat where xxxxx is a 5 digit number that seems to increment. Your messages are readable, however. I get the same for a number of others in the group. .. I'll migrate to using my Linux system (and probably mutt) real soon now :-) Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:13 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Email Client issues WAS Re: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get > particular version > > > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:53:58AM -0500, Craig A. Lance > (calance@qwest.net) wrote: > > Don't razz me for using a Micro$oft e-mail client (hey, I > don't have a Linux > > box at work), but what e-mail client are people using, > namely Amy Tanner, > > that places the body of an e-mail in an attachment. It's > very annoying? > > For the record, I'm using Outlook Express. > > I use mutt. I don't know why Outlook would put the body of > my message in > an attachment (that would be annoying). My only thought is > that my pgp > signatures is confusing it somehow. > > Anyone else having that problem with my messages? > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 7 17:54:32 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about mpg123 In-Reply-To: <15617.11896.357292.516342@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > I'd like to be able to play mp3's w/o X, so would like to use mpg123 > instead of xmms. But when I try, I get the following: > > Any idea what this means and if there's anything I can do about it? Try mpg321; it seems to handle modern mp3's better. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jun 7 18:12:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <34285.198.74.20.75.1023471474.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:37:54PM -0500 References: <20020607154902.A1040B6C2@xmxpita.excite.com> <34285.198.74.20.75.1023471474.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020607181210.R10820@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:37:54PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > iirc this cannot be done in sendmail > > you will need in integrated mail package, like Qmail or Courier-MTA Actually it's pretty easy and straightforward last time I had to do it, It's called 'Virtual POP' and doesn't require that any accounts be added, iirc. > > -munir > > PS. if you just want to prevent the users from logging into the server > just make their shell /bin/false, There are various issues with this =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Jun 7 19:50:21 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution RPM bug?evolution_1.0.3-6_i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20020607013659.GA4364@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <57122.10.0.0.52.1023386232.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606194426.GB19517@rtfm.sistina.com> <62456.198.74.20.78.1023398239.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020606223622.GC577@iucha.net> <20020607013659.GA4364@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020607234734.GB1292@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 08:36:59PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 05:36:22PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >>On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:17:19PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >>> Ben Lutgens said: >>> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:57:12PM -0500, nassarsa@redconcepts.net >>> > wrote: >>> >>Anybody have any suggestion/info ? >>> > >>> > use mutt. >>> >>> use pine ;-) >> >>Use mutt. Pine sends duplicate messages from time to time... > >^5 w00h00 ^5 mutt is just so configurable. I am really glad I decided to take the time and learn mutt. Yes, it is a learning curve, but well worth it IMO. There is still a alot more for me to learn about mutt, but it is so worthwhile. mutt == good > > > >-- >Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ >System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ >Sistina Software Inc. | > >"I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial >Droids now do ya?" -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From peter-clark at tides.com Fri Jun 7 20:08:18 2002 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No June TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20020606194308.GA15075@fandre.com> References: <20020606194308.GA15075@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200206062112.28090.peter-clark@tides.com> On Thursday 06 June 2002 02:43 pm, Clay Fandre wrote: > The good news: > We will be having an installfest next month! Details below: Woo-hoo! Although anyone running an unauthorized DHCP server over the network will be forced to install Linux on an 8088 with 640k memory and 20mb hd! Grr... :Peter From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jun 7 20:08:34 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using apt-get to get particular version References: <20020607081052.T23463@real-time.com> <20020607133639.GB32139@fandre.com> <20020607093201.A2266@real-time.com> <001f01c20e33$280e4520$1ec8a8c0@cpu65mpls> <20020607155646.GC7561@wookimus.net> <20020607172818.GG26676@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3D010673.3090704@haxxed.com> > > >You can always install cygwin/mutt. >http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ > Or just install Mozilla. Its mail reader doesn't suck, and its cross platform. ;P From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 7 20:14:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KPN/Qwest In-Reply-To: <20020607144149.A19780@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20020607144149.A19780@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1023498372.30540.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 14:41, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > Article on /. about KPN/Qwest bankruptcy leads one to this page: > > http://nocpeople.org/ebone/ > > SPLORF! Uh, do these guys have anything to do with Qwest? Sounds like KPNQwest is a European company... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I have doobie in my funk / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although anyone running an unauthorized DHCP server over the > network will be forced to install Linux on an 8088 with 640k memory and > 20mb hd! Grr... > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 21:11:28 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KPN/Qwest In-Reply-To: <1023498372.30540.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020607144149.A19780@mail.el-swifto.com> <1023498372.30540.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <4434.162.96.160.97.1023502243.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Qwest owns more than 40% of KPN/Qwest And people wonder why it is failing. Samir M. Nassar From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 7 23:01:10 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No June TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <200206062112.28090.peter-clark@tides.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > Woo-hoo! Although anyone running an unauthorized DHCP server over the network > will be forced to install Linux on an 8088 with 640k memory and 20mb hd! > Grr... 20MB hard drive? either you are very generous or you never owned a 8088 before, a 10MB hard drive (remember the winchester?) was an extreme luxury item costing as much as the rest of the system, most people had 1 maybe 2 5.25 drives, double sided/double density for the later models -munir From josh at greentechnologist.org Sat Jun 8 00:25:14 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No June TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was just noticing the 8088 part. You'd have to force that unlucky person to port linux to the 8088 since it requires a 386. And a 20mb hard drive isn't horrible for a linux install - you just have to be picky. Joshua b. Jore ; http://www.greentechnologist.org ; 1121 1233 1311 200 1201 1302 1211 200 1201 1303 200 1300 1233 1313 1211 1302 1212 1311 1230 200 1201 1303 200 1321 1233 1311 1302 200 1211 1232 1211 1231 1321 200 1310 1220 1221 1232 1223 1303 200 1321 1233 1311 200 1201 1302 1211 232 200 1112 1233 1310 1211 200 1013 1302 1211 1211 1232 201 22 > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > > > Woo-hoo! Although anyone running an unauthorized DHCP server over the network > > will be forced to install Linux on an 8088 with 640k memory and 20mb hd! > > Grr... From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Jun 8 14:19:03 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about mpg123 In-Reply-To: References: <15617.11896.357292.516342@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <15618.22420.318995.925272@cthulhu.mydomain> Nate Carlson writes: > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > > > I'd like to be able to play mp3's w/o X, so would like to use mpg123 > > instead of xmms. But when I try, I get the following: > > > > Any idea what this means and if there's anything I can do about it? > > Try mpg321; it seems to handle modern mp3's better. Thanks! mpg321, in fact, works like a champ. Love it. Jukebox is happy and I'm happy. Cheers, R From m68kprogrammer at icqmail.com Sat Jun 8 14:41:47 2002 From: m68kprogrammer at icqmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of install help Message-ID: <20020608193307.20372.cpmta@c012.snv.cp.net> Would anyone on the list with experience installing Debian (preferably potato) be willing to come out to Lakeville today and help me install potato? I know it's short notice, but I'm leaving for NY tommorrow and won't be in the metro area for quite a while. If anyone is willing and able to do this, please e-mail me off the list. Thank you in advance. --Matt Waters's Infinite Wisdom #18: "Firecrackers, gasoline, and bored youth do not mix." New wisdom every week! ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Jun 9 11:51:13 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On 4 Jun 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Really? Why would they do that? And what sort of query would a > > spambot use in a search engine to start off it's traversal? I don't > > see any value added in going through the intermediate layer -- rather > > the reverse, since a spambot would want *not* to respect robots.txt > > exclusions, for example. > > But where would the spambot get the URL for your site to start with? From clay at fandre.com Sun Jun 9 21:02:00 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for a processor Message-ID: <20020610014456.GB12313@fandre.com> So my mp3 fileserver went belly up. I think it is the processor but I'm not 100% sure. Anyone have a Slot1 Celeron/PII/PIII (up to 733MHz) that they are willing to sell cheap? I would just go to MPC but I live in Andover and that's one heck of a drive. From schanno at tcfreenet.org Sun Jun 9 21:21:43 2002 From: schanno at tcfreenet.org (Terry R Schanno) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for a processor In-Reply-To: <20020610014456.GB12313@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020609210643.A83431-100000@tcfreenet.org> > that they are willing to sell cheap? I would just go to MPC but I live > in Andover and that's one heck of a drive. Eagan. Off of Lone Oak Road. But I don't know if they'd have something quite that new for a decent price, though I've never bought intel hardware from them. Terry Schanno TCFN Volunteer Coordinator schanno@tcfreenet.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Jun 9 23:16:30 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about mpg123 In-Reply-To: References: <15617.11896.357292.516342@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020609214326.A14475@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 05:46:58PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > I'd like to be able to play mp3's w/o X, so would like to use mpg123 > > instead of xmms. But when I try, I get the following: > > Try mpg321; it seems to handle modern mp3's better. Or try mp3blaster, if you want a fancier UI. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 10 00:19:01 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeSwan + BEFVP41 Message-ID: <20020610051223.PCNU975.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Ok, I have got a 2.4.18ipsec kernel, I have freeswan 1.97 installed. I am trying to get it to connect to a BEFVP41 and keeping knocking my head into a wall. I am getting an error during negotiation (right after authentication) about a Client ID proposal being rejected. Any clues on this? Sorry if this is a simple question/answer. Can someone send me a sample ipsec.conf (address dummied intelligently out for security) so I can examine it? thanks in advance. I think after this I am going to write a very simple step-by-step for other people trying to do what I did (I know a few) From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 10 02:30:45 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP ScanJet 6200C USB usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Message-ID: <20020610002921.A27073@real-time.com> Got an HP ScanJet 6200C and I cannot get scanning to work. According to this url the 6200C is supported. http://panda.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html I followed all the suggestions here: http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html But I still get these messages: kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Kernel docs say on startup, this might happen, but I get lots of these in syslog: last message repeated 12 times $ rpm -qa | grep sane xsane-0.84-2 sane-backends-devel-1.0.8-1 sane-backends-1.0.8-1 sane-frontends-1.0.8-1 2.4.18-3 kernel -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Jun 10 09:25:59 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring Message-ID: I have crappy old phone wiring in my house that needs to be taken care of soon. I would like to get a decent reference on the subject, and I want to know if anyone here has recommendations. Thank you in advance, Troy From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 10 09:46:31 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring Message-ID: <20020610143335.ZSS2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Cat 5, with 2 plates with 2 cat 5 jacks each in each room you want it in. Then, buy a cheap patch panel off ebay. Then, whenever you want to switch phone or ethernet, just go down into the basement and patch from the network switch and the row of phone jacks. > I have crappy old phone wiring in my house that > needs to be taken care of soon. I would like to > get a decent reference on the subject, and I want > to know if anyone here has recommendations. > > Thank you in advance, > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 10 09:59:43 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeSwan + BEFVP41 In-Reply-To: <20020610051223.PCNU975.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > Ok, I have got a 2.4.18ipsec kernel, I have freeswan 1.97 installed. > > I am trying to get it to connect to a BEFVP41 and keeping knocking my > head into a wall. > > I am getting an error during negotiation (right after authentication) > about a Client ID proposal being rejected. > > Any clues on this? Sorry if this is a simple question/answer. Can > someone send me a sample ipsec.conf (address dummied intelligently out > for security) so I can examine it? > > thanks in advance. > > I think after this I am going to write a very simple step-by-step for > other people trying to do what I did (I know a few) Can you dump exact errors, and a copy of your ipsec.conf? Better place to go for this type of question is the FreeS/WAN list, this is almost a FAQ there. :) But, then again, it has education value on this list too.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 10 10:34:52 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (bneigebauer@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeSwan + BEFVP41 Message-ID: <20020610151703.DQNN11426.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Tried finding it in their list archives, maybe its in their newer stuff. > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > > Ok, I have got a 2.4.18ipsec kernel, I have freeswan 1.97 installed. > > > > I am trying to get it to connect to a BEFVP41 and keeping knocking my > > head into a wall. > > > > I am getting an error during negotiation (right after authentication) > > about a Client ID proposal being rejected. > > > > Any clues on this? Sorry if this is a simple question/answer. Can > > someone send me a sample ipsec.conf (address dummied intelligently out > > for security) so I can examine it? > > > > thanks in advance. > > > > I think after this I am going to write a very simple step-by-step for > > other people trying to do what I did (I know a few) > > Can you dump exact errors, and a copy of your ipsec.conf? > > Better place to go for this type of question is the FreeS/WAN list, this > is almost a FAQ there. :) But, then again, it has education value on > this list too.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 10 12:02:10 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PCI token ring cards Message-ID: <38575.198.74.20.73.1023727880.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Wheer i work they are getting rid of a box full of PCI token ring adaptors, anybody interested in some of them? how much do they sell for nowadays anyways? -munir From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jun 10 16:10:28 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <20020610143335.ZSS2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>; from bneigebauer@attbi.com on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:33:34PM +0000 References: <20020610143335.ZSS2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: <20020610154150.F12986@real-time.com> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:33:34PM +0000, bneigebauer@attbi.com wrote: > Cat 5, with 2 plates with 2 cat 5 jacks each in each > room you want it in. > > Then, buy a cheap patch panel off ebay. > > Then, whenever you want to switch phone or ethernet, > just go down into the basement and patch from the > network switch and the row of phone jacks. don't be stingy with your cabling. it's about as easy to pull 4 cables as 1 cable; and you'll be thankful later on, when you find uses for all 4 of those cables. :) just remember the cabler's first rule-of-thumb" "always pull twice as much cable as you think you'll need, because you'll need it." I know a guy who pretty much only kept 25-pair cable on hand for phone wiring. it saved on inventory, and made future expansion trivial. there is some stuff out there now (I forget what it's called, someone will remind me), which has 2x cat 5 cables, 2x phone cables, and 2x coax cables all in a common sheath. something like that may be what you're looking for. Bob Tanner has publicly stated that he should have pulled fiber through his house, because it makes future expansion much easier (you can run any kind of signal down it). ;) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Jun 10 19:52:00 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PCI token ring cards References: <38575.198.74.20.73.1023727880.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <3D05472F.8B389884@dccmn.com> Given that Ethernet goes for $5 or so, you might get a few bucks for the whole box. There are some companies that still have token ring networks, but their getting pretty far and few between. nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > Wheer i work they are getting rid of a box full of PCI token ring > adaptors, anybody interested in some of them? > > how much do they sell for nowadays anyways? > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Jun 10 21:17:05 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accepting any e-mail Message-ID: <20020611020941.GC31513@fireopal.org> I want to set things up so that fireopal.org considers any "{string}@fireopal.org" as a valid e-mail address - if there is not an existing explicit account to match {string}, toss them somewhere to be looked at later. I'm running Debian and exim - any hints? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dave at droyer.org Mon Jun 10 22:27:50 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accepting any e-mail In-Reply-To: <20020611020941.GC31513@fireopal.org> References: <20020611020941.GC31513@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <1023765319.1284.898.camel@merlin> If memory serves correctly, you can setup an entry in your aliases files like the following: *: myspamuser@somewhere.com If you stick this at the end it should send anything not handled by another alias to myspambox@somewhere.com (this could go to another user as well). You may have to change the aliases director to use lsearch* rather than lsearch. I can't remember off hand. Hope this gets you heading in the right direction. Dave On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 21:09, Scott Raun wrote: > I want to set things up so that fireopal.org considers any > "{string}@fireopal.org" as a valid e-mail address - if there is not an > existing explicit account to match {string}, toss them somewhere to be > looked at later. > > I'm running Debian and exim - any hints? > From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jun 11 06:59:36 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing SSH/SCP Message-ID: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm running OpenSSH 2.9p1, and would like to figure out a way to do the following: 1) Prevent root from logging in directly from an SSH connection. I'm assuming this might be possible via the hosts.deny as well as the hosts.allow? If I set the securetty, I believe that only prevents telnet only if console is set. Or, at least on HP's that's been my experience. Preferably, I'd like to have a regular user log in, then su if need be. 2) I want to run cronjobs that do scp copies to backup remote files on other servers. However, I'm not sure how to do this. Whenever I run scp, I get prompted for a password. I'm assuming that by default, my scripts will run into this issue as well. Could anyone point me to a place that might have documentation on this? I believe that I will also need to upgrade my OpenSSH as there is a vulnerability in this version. Unfortunately, I can't seem to connect to Slack's ftp site. Anyone have any luck getting there? Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 11 08:44:41 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing SSH/SCP In-Reply-To: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1023802404.29311.35.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-05-22 at 20:50, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm running OpenSSH 2.9p1, and would like to figure out a way to do the > following: > > 1) Prevent root from logging in directly from an SSH connection. This is set up in sshd_config (usually found in /etc or /etc/ssh). Make sure you have a line in there like PermitRootLogin No > 2) I want to run cronjobs that do scp copies to backup remote files on > other servers. However, I'm not sure how to do this. Whenever I run > scp, I get prompted for a password. I'm assuming that by default, my > scripts will run into this issue as well. You want to use the `ssh-keygen' program to generate a public/private keypair. By default, the program generates RSA1 keys and puts them in $HOME/.ssh/identity and $HOME/.ssh/identity.pub (the public key). You can add the contents of identity.pub to the $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the remote host. However, all that is generally for SSH protocol version 1, which is considered unsafe. It's probably preferable to generate keys used by SSHv2. It uses RSA and DSA keys. You can tell ssh-keygen to generate those keys by passing the parameter `-t rsa' or `-t dsa'. RSA creates id_rsa and id_rsa.pub, and DSA creates id_dsa and id_dsa.pub. Copy the contents of the .pub files to $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote host. There's probably a safer way to do it, but for now, don't put passwords on the identity files. Otherwise, you'll basically have the same problem all over again. When you have your script run, use `ssh-agent' to run it like ssh-agent In your script, make sure that you run `ssh-add $HOME/.ssh/' to add the private keys. Whenever the ssh client attempts to connect, it will try to authenticate with those keys, and will only prompt for a password if that fails. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I did a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ little shopping. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020611/4cd01210/attachment.pgp From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Jun 11 09:35:18 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba config question Message-ID: Heya folks, I've got a couple of Samba questions. My goal is to make my samba server at home give authenticated users their home directory as a share and anyone else on the private lan access to the /share partition on my fileserver. I've got to support a mix of Win95, 98, Me, and 2000 clients (LAN parties are fun, most of us have migrated to Win2k for games, but a couple of people that attend are still running Win95). From what I've read this means that I've got to support users sending both encrypted passwords and unencrypted passwords. Thankfully, the only users that actually have a home directory that needs to be available as a share are using Win2k and as a result encrypted passwords. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 11 09:58:24 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing SSH/SCP In-Reply-To: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002, Shawn Fertch wrote: > 1) Prevent root from logging in directly from an SSH connection. > I'm assuming this might be possible via the hosts.deny as well as the > hosts.allow? If I set the securetty, I believe that only prevents > telnet only if console is set. Or, at least on HP's that's been my > experience. Preferably, I'd like to have a regular user log in, then > su if need be. edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config; it's an option in that file. > 2) I want to run cronjobs that do scp copies to backup remote files > on other servers. However, I'm not sure how to do this. Whenever I > run scp, I get prompted for a password. I'm assuming that by default, > my scripts will run into this issue as well. Look at the openssh documentation for DSA authentication. > Could anyone point me to a place that might have documentation on > this? I believe that I will also need to upgrade my OpenSSH as there > is a vulnerability in this version. Unfortunately, I can't seem to > connect to Slack's ftp site. Anyone have any luck getting there? Correct; you'll want to go to the newest 3.0. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 11 09:59:30 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accepting any e-mail In-Reply-To: <1023765319.1284.898.camel@merlin> References: <20020611020941.GC31513@fireopal.org> <1023765319.1284.898.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <20020611144936.GA3930@rtfm.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:15:18PM -0500, Dave Royer wrote: >On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 21:09, Scott Raun wrote: > I want to set things up so that fireopal.org considers any > "{string}@fireopal.org" as a valid e-mail address - if there is not an > existing explicit account to match {string}, toss them somewhere to be > looked at later. > > I'm running Debian and exim - any hints? A: Why in GODS name would you want to do that? You only really want to accept mail for valid destinations on your domiain! B: Have you checked the spec and FAQ on http://www.exim.org? -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From what I've read this >means that I've got to support users sending both encrypted passwords and >unencrypted passwords. Thankfully, the only users that actually have a >home directory that needs to be available as a share are using Win2k and >as a result encrypted passwords. > >>From reading O'Reilly's Using Samba book, I was under the impression that >the 'default service = share' line under [global] meant that anyone that >failed to authenticate would default to the [share] section. Ideally, the >/share volume wouldn't require any authentication to connect to, and it >would be visable via the Network Neighborhood in Windows. > >Currently, if a valid user tries to connect they get their home directory >and they can mount the /share volume. Anyone that tries to access the >fileserver without authenticating or authenticating improperly (bad >username/password) isn't getting anything. You need to set a guest account. Something like nobody (needs to exist on system) in globals and set map_to_guest option there as well guest account = nobody map to guest = bad user http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#MAPTOGUES http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#GUESTACCOUNT for more info. Hope this helps! Personally i try to avoid stuff like this. I do not allow ANY unauthenticated users access to anything ever! I have alot of "valid users = @marketing" type stuff in my smb.conf. Samba rocks. > > > >-------------- Begin included text -------------- > ># Samba config file * 6-10-02 * Jeff Robertson > >[global] > netbios name = NAGA > server string = Samba %v on (%L) > workgroup = WORKGROUP > security = user > encrypt passwords = yes > smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd > default service = share > browseable = no > > # Printing specific section - to be debugged later ># printing = BSD ># print command = /usr/bin/lpr -r -P&p %s ># printcap file = /etc/printcap ># min print space = 2000 > > # Browsing election options (makes the Samba server the local master browser) > os level = 34 > local master = yes > > # Recommended performance tuning options from O'Reilly Using Samba > socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY > read raw = yes > write raw = yes > oplocks = yes > max xmit = 65535 > keep alive = 60 > dead time = 30 > getwd cache = yes > lpq cache = 30 > >[share] > path = /share > comment = "Global Share" > browseable = yes > guest ok = yes > guest only = yes > writeable = yes > veto files = /.journal/ > delete veto files = no > follow symlinks = yes > wide links = no > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020611/7971af45/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jun 11 10:16:56 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing SSH/SCP In-Reply-To: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:50:44PM -0500 References: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020611075338.A23164@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:50:44PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm running OpenSSH 2.9p1, and would like to figure out a way to do the > following: > > 1) Prevent root from logging in directly from an SSH connection. I'm > assuming this might be possible via the hosts.deny as well as the > hosts.allow? If I set the securetty, I believe that only prevents telnet > only if console is set. Or, at least on HP's that's been my experience. > Preferably, I'd like to have a regular user log in, then su if need be. > > 2) I want to run cronjobs that do scp copies to backup remote files on > other servers. However, I'm not sure how to do this. Whenever I run > scp, I get prompted for a password. I'm assuming that by default, my > scripts will run into this issue as well. > > Could anyone point me to a place that might have documentation on this? > I believe that I will also need to upgrade my OpenSSH as there is a > vulnerability in this version. Unfortunately, I can't seem to connect to > Slack's ftp site. Anyone have any luck getting there? > You can do (1) by setting "PermitRootLogin no" in your sshd config. You can do (2) by running ssh-keygen to generate an RSA pair, then putting a copy of the public key in the authorized_keys file of the target login. The O'Reilly SSH book has these and more, and probably does a better job of explaining. :-) The ssh man pages openssh web pages (openssh.org) have good stuff too. -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Jun 11 11:24:21 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba config question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023812093.9096.77.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 09:31, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Heya folks, I've got a couple of Samba questions. > > My goal is to make my samba server at home give authenticated users their > home directory as a share and anyone else on the private lan access to the > /share partition on my fileserver. > > I've got to support a mix of Win95, 98, Me, and 2000 clients (LAN parties > are fun, most of us have migrated to Win2k for games, but a couple of > people that attend are still running Win95). From what I've read this > means that I've got to support users sending both encrypted passwords and > unencrypted passwords. Thankfully, the only users that actually have a > home directory that needs to be available as a share are using Win2k and > as a result encrypted passwords. Unless you have people running Win95 OSR1 (very rare, OSR2 was released early '96), the passwords will be encrypted by default. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Jun 11 15:55:48 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Message-ID: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the beeper if that's what it takes.... r From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jun 11 15:59:35 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing SSH/SCP In-Reply-To: <1023802404.29311.35.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020522205044.7bc0df6e.sfertch@real-time.com> <1023802404.29311.35.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020611155215.7656131f.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks for the tips everyone, I also got some offline help on this too. Funny that it took almost two weeks for this e-mail to show up after I sent it. Shawn > On Wed, 2002-05-22 at 20:50, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > I'm running OpenSSH 2.9p1, and would like to figure out a way to > > do the > > following: > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 11 16:16:46 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > beeper if that's what it takes.... Why snip it? It's usually plugged into the the MBoard with an easy to remove connector. I usually odn't bother connecting it on machines I build... in the Olden Days I used to drill a hole in the case and connect an external flip-switch to it. -Yaron -- From linux at dougsweb.net Tue Jun 11 16:18:25 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: Is it possible that your system bios is set to start the beeping if the cpu temp hits a certain threshold??? Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert P. Goldman Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:43 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the beeper if that's what it takes.... r _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Tue Jun 11 16:27:02 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: Err, if it's beeping, there's probably a good reason. Heat is a big one. You may want to make sure your heat sink is properly secured, and that the fans in your case are running. You may also want to find the manual for your motherboard and read it to see if you're getting a specific beep code for what's wrong. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] > > Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel > version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially > when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually > VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may > be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. > > Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how > the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to > indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. > > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > beeper if that's what it takes.... > > r > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jun 11 16:30:24 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:42:47PM -0500 References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020611162007.A32748@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:42:47PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's > kernel version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and > especially when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY > LOUD (actually VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop > eventually, but may be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it > stop. Cripes, that's kind of drastic. > Any clues about how to disable this behavior? Sit on your hands? :-) > I can't figure out how the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing > in my system logs to indicate any system distress, and everything > seems to run hunky-dory. Any messages on console? I guess I find it hard to believe there's somthing crying out like that and leaving no log whatsoever. If this were my system I'd start by: 1. figuring out how to reproduce the problem reliably 2. start shutting off services while "driving the problem", and seeing when the problem stops 3. repeat until I know exactly what service is misbehaving 4. reconfigure the service to not do that But I run Debian so I never have to do that. :-) > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > beeper if that's what it takes.... The speaker may just unplug. :-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From dante at plethora.net Tue Jun 11 16:59:29 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] > > Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel > version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially > when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually > VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may > be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. > > Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how > the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to > indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. > > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > beeper if that's what it takes.... > This is an overheating alarm. Checklist: 1. clean heatsink a. verify heatsink fan is running A. If overclocking, stop immediately. 2. If heatsink was clean, and/or fan was stopped get a new heatsink. b. try underclocking. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From Nicksteeler12 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 17:50:06 2002 From: Nicksteeler12 at cs.com (Nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Message-ID: <155.f32a0f7.2a37d520@cs.com> how many beeps are you getting each set? (i think if it beeps twice, pauses, beeps twice, pauses that means your overheating) thats how we figured out an athlon box at school was overheating is count the beeps. it was more of a siren then beeping. the only other time it beeps like that (From what i know) is when its missing the fallowing at bootup: 1)ram 2)cpu 3)video From alcyone at slava.net Tue Jun 11 19:47:06 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. Message-ID: <20020612003557.GA29689@sadalbari.slava.net> This Thursday, May 13, 2002, the Twin Cities Linux Users Group will be holding a beermeeting at the downtown Pizza Luc?! As always, it will be from around 6-8. If you've never been to one before and don't know anyone, we'll be seated under the name "TCLUG" and we may have one or more of the following at our table: Tux dolls, laptops with Linux stickers, plates of cheesebread. Everyone is welcome, even non-beer drinkers, and non-Linux using friends and loved ones. Address: 119 N. 4th Str. Minneapolis, MN 55401 Phone: (612) 333-7359 http://beer.tclug.org has the above information as well. (We have made reservations, so if you go to that page in the next few minutes, it will lie to you. I'm about to fix that.) From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 11 22:05:43 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. In-Reply-To: <20020612003557.GA29689@sadalbari.slava.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Lorry wrote: > This Thursday, May 13, 2002, the Twin Cities Linux Users Group will be > holding a beermeeting at the downtown Pizza Lucé! Luce is an excellent place - and pretty near to where I work. Anyone want to share a garlic-mashed-potato pizza? Are we getting the non-smoking section? -Yaron -- From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 11 23:17:23 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023855113.928.15.camel@tolkien> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Go to Viking Electric Supply to > find out about that stuff. Just don't do two ethernet runs within the same cat5 cable.. can cause problems. > When you're pulling wire - pull one more than you think you'll need. > You'll thank yourself later! If it's for home use, I'd recommend to pull 4 times what you think you need. Cat5 solid PVC is dirt cheap ($50/1000 at home depot), and you'll always find uses for it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mike at Jentges.NET Wed Jun 12 01:24:39 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Michael Vieths wrote: > Err, if it's beeping, there's probably a good reason. Heat is a big one. > You may want to make sure your heat sink is properly secured, and that the > fans in your case are running. You may also want to find the manual for > your motherboard and read it to see if you're getting a specific beep code > for what's wrong. > Agreed. Netware maybe, but... I had an instance on my IBM box (running w/o covers in place) where multiple backups being dumped to it actually overheated it so bad it'd power down. Never seen that before but some poking around led me to put all covers in place, (ouch!) and it's been great ever since. Do you have a good case fan? -mj > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Visi.com > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > > > > [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] > > > > Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel > > version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially > > when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually > > VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may > > be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. > > > > Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how > > the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to > > indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. > > > > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > > beeper if that's what it takes.... > > > > r > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From mike at Jentges.NET Wed Jun 12 01:31:22 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Lorry wrote: > > > This Thursday, May 13, 2002, the Twin Cities Linux Users Group will be > > holding a beermeeting at the downtown Pizza Lucé! > > Luce is an excellent place - and pretty near to where I work. Anyone want > to share a garlic-mashed-potato pizza? > > Are we getting the non-smoking section? > HAHAHA...Some things will never change. I know my car isn't the cleanest, but I never saw anyone scarf their face while riding in it before. Close their eyes, yes. :) -MJ > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 12 02:05:31 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, MJ wrote: > > Are we getting the non-smoking section? > HAHAHA...Some things will never change. I know my car isn't the cleanest, > but I never saw anyone scarf their face while riding in it before. Hehe, the day I start smoking - or heck, the day smoking doesn't REALLY bother me, is the day my father declares personal victory. Naturally I cannot allow this to happen! -Yaron -- From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 07:47:01 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <20020611162007.A32748@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> <20020611162007.A32748@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <15623.16414.882402.38066@cthulhu.mydomain> John Joseph Trammell writes: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:42:47PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > Any messages on console? Absolutely none. And none in any of the logs. Per others' suggestions, perhaps this is something the BIOS does and it's invisible to the kernel? > I guess I find it hard to believe there's > somthing crying out like that and leaving no log whatsoever. If this > were my system I'd start by: > > 1. figuring out how to reproduce the problem reliably Looks like a challenging ps or pdf print job will usually do it, but I can't trigger it reliably. > 2. start shutting off services while "driving the problem", > and seeing when the problem stops Did that, stopping cups as first choice, but never found anything that reliably stopped the problem. > 3. repeat until I know exactly what service is misbehaving > 4. reconfigure the service to not do that Never got to this point. R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 07:48:49 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <155.f32a0f7.2a37d520@cs.com> References: <155.f32a0f7.2a37d520@cs.com> Message-ID: <15623.16255.508440.65526@cthulhu.mydomain> Nicksteeler12@cs.com writes: > how many beeps are you getting each set? (i think if it beeps twice, pauses, > beeps twice, pauses that means your overheating) thats how we figured out an > athlon box at school was overheating is count the beeps. it was more of a > siren then beeping. the only other time it beeps like that (From what i > know) is when its missing the fallowing at bootup: > 1)ram > 2)cpu > 3)video I just get one loooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg, solid beep. Sounds to me like it's getting one beep, and then stuck on. There are usually what sound like a couple of "informational" single beeps before this happens (often at form feed), then it just stays on. Thanks to everyone who suggested checking the BIOS manual. Will do. R From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jun 12 08:30:44 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. In-Reply-To: References: <20020612003557.GA29689@sadalbari.slava.net> Message-ID: <33611.198.74.20.75.1023887827.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Yaron said: >> This Thursday, May 13, 2002, the Twin Cities Linux Users Group will be >> holding a beermeeting at the downtown Pizza Luc?! > > Luce is an excellent place - and pretty near to where I work. Anyone > want to share a garlic-mashed-potato pizza? sounds interesting, i think i will try it > Are we getting the non-smoking section? yes -munir From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Jun 12 09:39:39 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <1023855113.928.15.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: On 11 Jun 2002, Erik Mitchell wrote: [snip] > Also, don't fall for those super-expensive home data wiring setups at > Home Depot. I'm sure you can do better if you snoop around. Try Axman > Surplus in St. Paul on University and in St. Louis Park on Minnetonka. > They have all kinds of good stuff, including phone/security wiring > products. Axman on University has a bunch of 10U racks for about $30 each. They may not have many on the floor, but if you ask at the counter they should have a bunch at their warehouse. That's as of about 3 weeks ago. General Nanosystems has Trendnet branded patch panels that are pretty inexpensive. We use Avaya branded patch panels here at work, which would have cost me about $175 for a 24-port. The 24-port Trendnet patch panel at GNS was about $50, and has been working just fine. As others have mentioned, Home Depot has a pretty good price on CAT5/CAT5e cable. Home Depot also has decent prices on modular wall jacks. All of this stuff will be color coded for you (either T568A or T568B, or both). It really doesn't matter which you use, as long as you're consistent. http://www.cableu.net/uncleted/unclet04.htm will give you more specific information. You'll need to find a 110 punchdown tool somewhere. Try to borrow one from someone if you can, a 'real' punchdown tool with a 110 blade can be kind of expensive for a one time job. If you do need to buy one, I believe Home Depot has them too, but I don't recall if their pricing is competitive. http://www.cableu.net/ is pretty good for basic cabling information. Specifically, take a look at http://www.cableu.net/online/wuonline.htm for more information. [snip] > When you're pulling wire - pull one more than you think you'll need. > You'll thank yourself later! [snip] Definately. Cat5 cable is cheap, and it's much easier to pull a bunch all at once than it is to pull a little and then have to pull more later. Personally, I would pull more than one extra cable. A little planning for the future can save you a lot of grief later on. Jeff From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 09:58:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > You'll need to find a 110 punchdown tool somewhere. Try to borrow one > from someone if you can, a 'real' punchdown tool with a 110 blade can > be kind of expensive for a one time job. If you do need to buy one, I > believe Home Depot has them too, but I don't recall if their pricing > is competitive. Well, if you buy one of the "individual" Leviton jacks from Home Depot, it'll come in a retail package with a cheap-o plastic non-impact punchdown tool. But, if you're wiring a whole house, you REALLY want a good punchdown tool. It's $80 you'll never regret spending. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 10:08:38 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring References: Message-ID: > You'll need to find a 110 punchdown tool somewhere. Try to borrow one > from someone if you can, a 'real' punchdown tool with a 110 blade can be > kind of expensive for a one time job. If you do need to buy one, I > believe Home Depot has them too, but I don't recall if their pricing is > competitive. > just use a small flat head screw driver :) all you get with a 'real' punch down tool is the nice cutting action (and coolness factor of course) From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jun 12 10:15:52 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring Message-ID: Lots of good information on pricing and stuff, many thanks! However, I should have been more specific in my question. I want more information/specs/ standards for telco to home connections. My reason for asking is that I have searched around on the web and found that most demarc units described/pictured look like gray boxes on the side of ones house with a telco side and an enduser side. Mine comes from the pole, in through a hole in the house, and terminates at a four post connection block that looks as old as the house (35 years). I am wondering if the block is my demarc, or is it on the post. I also want more detail, but I'll take whatever is offered. :-) Thanks again, you guys are great! Troy From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 10:26:49 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Loren Burlingame wrote: > just use a small flat head screw driver :) > > all you get with a 'real' punch down tool is the nice cutting action > (and coolness factor of course) you do actually get a better connection, too.. at least in my experience. but yeah, i've done the screwdriver trick many-a-time in a pinch.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From rudie at sihope.com Wed Jun 12 10:27:07 2002 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020612102306.3cffac16.rudie@sihope.com> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Michael Vieths wrote: > Err, if it's beeping, there's probably a good reason. Heat is a big > one. On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:33:03 -0500 "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. -------- > > I just get one loooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg, solid beep. Sounds to > > me like it's getting one beep, and then stuck on. Celeron chips pre-800MHz were 66MHz fsb. If your celeron is running at 450MHz it MUST be overclocked, and consequently overheating. The one long-beep typically is overheat alarm. Always has meant that for me. Clock that chip back to a 66MHz fsb, and hopefully you haven't done permanent damage. -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@sihope.com | rudie@fastcomputers.tv hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://fastcomputers.tv Nothing is more dangerous than the influence of private interests on public affairs -Rousseau From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 12 10:45:41 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020612152907.GB14316@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:00:26AM -0500, Loren Burlingame wrote: > just use a small flat head screw driver :) [for a 110 punchdown] all > you get with a 'real' punch down tool is the nice cutting action (and > coolness factor of course) And you don't slip off the peg with a punchdown tool. ;-) That being said, you do save money if you simply use a screwdriver and razorblade. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sounds to > > > me like it's getting one beep, and then stuck on. > > Celeron chips pre-800MHz were 66MHz fsb. If your celeron is running at > 450MHz it MUST be overclocked, and consequently overheating. The one > long-beep typically is overheat alarm. Always has meant that for me. > Clock that chip back to a 66MHz fsb, and hopefully you haven't done > permanent damage. Let's see the popular chip to do this with was the Celeron 300a. 300Mhz / 66Mhz FSB = 4.5 clock multiplier 450Mhz / 4.5 clock multiplier = 100Mhz FSB 66Mhz -> 100Mhz is quite the stretch. Under carefully controlled conditions the system was actually bootable and maybe ran a benchmark before crashing. Definitely put the FSB back to 66Mhz. If the system keeps crashing, throw the chip out and get a new one. If the system is stable and you're still feeling slow, 75Mhz sometimes works. I have a Celeron 433 that I've run at 488 for a couple years without any trouble. But give the system a few months at 66Mhz before you try that. Nate P.S. Even with a Celeron 433, I don't feel the need for a faster box. From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 11:06:40 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device Message-ID: Hello LUGers, I am trying to set up a raw IO device for my DVD-ROM (/dev/hdd) and have reached an impasse. Many sites have pointed me to ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/sct/raw-io to get a kernel patch, however, I see that the most recent patch there is over a year old. I am using a bleeding edge kernel (2.4.19pre8) and am assuming this code is already implemented in the newer kernel source trees. My problem is, I cannot, for the life of me, find the option in the kernel configure script to enable raw devices; or if support for raw devices is automatically compiled into the kernel I do not know how to set them up since all documentation I have found says to use the 'raw' executable (which I don't have). It is extremely possible that I am missing something very obvious here (like maybe 'raw' is part of another software package that has yet to be upgraded on my system?) Anyway, any help you could give me would be appreciated. LB From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Jun 12 11:07:09 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:50:12AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020612104213.A22884@knicknack.net> Actually, I just bought a decent Harris brand punch down tool at Home Depot last week for only $55. We'll see how it stands the test of time. Eric On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:50:12AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > You'll need to find a 110 punchdown tool somewhere. Try to borrow one > > from someone if you can, a 'real' punchdown tool with a 110 blade can > > be kind of expensive for a one time job. If you do need to buy one, I > > believe Home Depot has them too, but I don't recall if their pricing > > is competitive. > > Well, if you buy one of the "individual" Leviton jacks from Home Depot, > it'll come in a retail package with a cheap-o plastic non-impact punchdown > tool. But, if you're wiring a whole house, you REALLY want a good > punchdown tool. It's $80 you'll never regret spending. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 11:32:02 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <15623.29854.525420.18489@cthulhu.mydomain> Michael Vieths writes: > Err, if it's beeping, there's probably a good reason. Heat is a big one. > You may want to make sure your heat sink is properly secured, and that the > fans in your case are running. You may also want to find the manual for > your motherboard and read it to see if you're getting a specific beep code > for what's wrong. I suspect that this is right. Here's some more info, in case anyone can help: 1. I have an ASUS P3V4X motherboard. 2. I opened it up and everything LOOKS fine (to a person who is mechanically declined like me) BUT 3. The only odd thing I found was that there was a chassis fan, mounted directly under the power supply, that was wired to the CPU_FAN power lead, and the CPU_FAN power lead was wired to the PWR_FAN lead. Looking at the chassis fan in question, I suspect that this was done because the line to the power lead isn't long enough to reach the PWR_FAN lead. I'm totally naive, so does the above sound like the sort of thing that might cause the problem? 4. I'm going to install the latest gkrellm, and hope that it can diagnose my CPU temperature. The mobo, of course, came with Windows-only diagnostics. R From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jun 12 11:55:05 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <3D077AC7.5BB91BC2@usfamily.net> Its probably possessed, you should spray it with holly water, until the exorcist gets there. The beeping is only the beginning, if you computer starts talking in ancient Aramaic then you have a much more serious problem on your hands. But in reality the people have already told you what to do, its overheating, I've had the same problem, simply remove and then reattach the heat sink to the processor, and think about adding an extra fan, that worked for me. "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > [Figured the subject line would get your attention!] > > Here's my problem: my linux box (Mandrake 8.1, with Mandrake's kernel > version 2.4.8-34mdk), under conditions of heavy load, and especially > when printing, will start beeping the system bell, VERY LOUD (actually > VERY VERY VERY VERY LOUD). Usually this will stop eventually, but may > be so deafening, that I will reboot to make it stop. > > Any clues about how to disable this behavior? I can't figure out how > the heck it comes to pass. There's nothing in my system logs to > indicate any system distress, and everything seems to run hunky-dory. > > It's a celeron 450 on an ASUS motherboard. I'd hate to have to muck > with it, but I'm getting desperate enough to try to snip off the > beeper if that's what it takes.... > > r > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From dprosen at cp-its.com Wed Jun 12 12:08:09 2002 From: dprosen at cp-its.com (Dave Prosen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Message-ID: <4211C4B7B72F704AA0BA9047F653454B3A53D5@frodo.corp.cp-its.com> I had a similar issue, and the resolution ended up being: Make sure that the fan for the CPU is plugged into the motherboard. My copper-based cooling fan came with the possibility of plugging in to the motherboard or the power supply. I opted with the power supply option, and spent the next 2 hours trying different things to figure out why the damn thing wouldn't boot. David Prosen Recruiting Representative 218-740-3717 ext. 301 1-888-742-6273 dprosen@cp-its.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:rpgoldman@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:20 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Michael Vieths writes: > Err, if it's beeping, there's probably a good reason. Heat is a big one. > You may want to make sure your heat sink is properly secured, and that the > fans in your case are running. You may also want to find the manual for > your motherboard and read it to see if you're getting a specific beep code > for what's wrong. I suspect that this is right. Here's some more info, in case anyone can help: 1. I have an ASUS P3V4X motherboard. 2. I opened it up and everything LOOKS fine (to a person who is mechanically declined like me) BUT 3. The only odd thing I found was that there was a chassis fan, mounted directly under the power supply, that was wired to the CPU_FAN power lead, and the CPU_FAN power lead was wired to the PWR_FAN lead. Looking at the chassis fan in question, I suspect that this was done because the line to the power lead isn't long enough to reach the PWR_FAN lead. I'm totally naive, so does the above sound like the sort of thing that might cause the problem? 4. I'm going to install the latest gkrellm, and hope that it can diagnose my CPU temperature. The mobo, of course, came with Windows-only diagnostics. R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 12 12:21:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020612171206.GA4543@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:59:57AM -0500, Loren Burlingame wrote: >Hello LUGers, > >I am trying to set up a raw IO device for my DVD-ROM (/dev/hdd) and have >reached an impasse. > >Many sites have pointed me to >ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/sct/raw-io to get a kernel >patch, however, I see that the most recent patch there is over a year old. I don't think you need a kernel patch for this. I don't use one for my DVD-ROM. RAW device means reading directly from /dev/hdd as opposed to mounting it like you do a CD (mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom) most of the dvd playing apps are set by default to look for /dev/dvd and /dev/rdvd. You should be able to configure that or just make symlinks ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/dvd ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/rdvd > >I am using a bleeding edge kernel (2.4.19pre8) and am assuming this code is >already implemented in the newer kernel source trees. > >My problem is, I cannot, for the life of me, find the option in the >kernel configure script to enable raw devices; or if support for raw devices >is >automatically compiled into the kernel I do not know how to set them up >since all documentation I have found says to use the 'raw' executable (which >I don't have). > >It is extremely possible that I am missing something very obvious here (like >maybe 'raw' is part of another software package that has yet to be upgraded >on my system?) > >Anyway, any help you could give me would be appreciated. > >LB >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/0d4cd2fe/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 12:26:56 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <15623.32044.343722.332272@cthulhu.mydomain> Any idea how to monitor my CPU temperature? I just tried using gkrellm, and as far as I can tell it's more of a segfault generator than anything else :-( R From linux at dougsweb.net Wed Jun 12 12:56:02 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15623.32044.343722.332272@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: I had a P3V4X that had linux on it at one time, I never got the cpu temp working either. I've heard of people doing it so I know it's possible, but I think (and maybe way off here) it involved compiling something into the kernel to get it to work. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert P. Goldman Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Any idea how to monitor my CPU temperature? I just tried using gkrellm, and as far as I can tell it's more of a segfault generator than anything else :-( R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 12:58:51 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows References: <4211C4B7B72F704AA0BA9047F653454B3A53D5@frodo.corp.cp-its.com> Message-ID: > 1. I have an ASUS P3V4X motherboard. I have the exact same board. I have used it for quite a while now with both linux and windows. Currently it is my Slackware SETI@home, TV, DVD, CD burner, QoS router, software RAID controller, tape backup host, web surfer, MP3 ripper/encoder (whew) box. However, I do know that there is a section of the BIOS that is under Power > Hardware Monitor that checks your CPU temp, Case temp and fan RPM thresholds which you can choose to ignore but is monitored (and presumably beeps if it falls below a predefined threshhold) by default. If you have not already, I would suggest resetting your BIOS to setup default in case the core voltage was tweaked at some point. Also, another possibility is that one of your fans is going bad and drops below RPM threshhold. If you have noticed that if you jar the box and the problem goes away this is almost certainly the problem. It would also explain the apparent randomness of the problem. > > 3. The only odd thing I found was that there was a chassis fan, > mounted directly under the power supply, that was wired to the CPU_FAN > power lead, and the CPU_FAN power lead was wired to the PWR_FAN lead. > Looking at the chassis fan in question, I suspect that this was done > because the line to the power lead isn't long enough to reach the > PWR_FAN lead. This should really make no difference except maybe in powersave mode the voltage to the case fan may be throttled back....not sure From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 13:11:02 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device References: <20020612171206.GA4543@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: >most of the dvd playing apps are set by default to look for /dev/dvd and >/dev/rdvd. You should be able to configure that or just make symlinks >ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/dvd >ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/rdvd you are correct sir. I was (once again) looking for an elephant with a magnafying glass. it is funny that right when I think I know something about Linux something like this happens *sigh* at least I know from experience that problems are rarely that hard to figure out, it just takes another set of eyes. maybe that should be my new signature :P From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 12 13:11:23 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887918@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Any idea how to monitor my CPU temperature? I just tried > using gkrellm, and as far as I can tell it's more of a > segfault generator than anything else :-( I haven't had any problems with it, ever. Your box must really be hosed. :) You need to setup the lmsensors package and configure it. It's kind of a pain in the ass. Once it's set up though, you just start gkrellm, and the temp stuff will automatically work. Jay From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 12 13:13:36 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <15623.32044.343722.332272@cthulhu.mydomain> References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> <15623.32044.343722.332272@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020612180440.GB16091@fandre.com> You need to use lm_sensors. http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/docs.html On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Any idea how to monitor my CPU temperature? I just tried using > gkrellm, and as far as I can tell it's more of a segfault generator > than anything else :-( > > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Jun 12 13:13:55 2002 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring Message-ID: Uggh, I'm going to have to get this list at home, at least Pegasus can burst digest mail. Anyway, to Troy's question, Yes, that four post block is your demarc. I've got the same thing in my house. As a matter of fact, when I ordered the second line, they put another one in just like it. The posts are tied together in pairs and the inbound telco line will terminate on one side of that block. You simply need to hook up to the other side of it. When I moved in, there was about a dozen pairs of single pair wire wrapped around that second pair of terminals. I had no end of trouble with my phones until I broke it out onto a punch down. Bruce >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 06/12/02 12:27PM >>> --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:07:58 -0500 From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Lots of good information on pricing and stuff, many thanks! However, I should have been more specific in my question. I want more information/specs/ standards for telco to home connections. My reason for asking is that I have searched around on the web and found that most demarc units described/pictured look like gray boxes on the side of ones house with a telco side and an enduser side. Mine comes from the pole, in through a hole in the house, and terminates at a four post connection block that looks as old as the house (35 years). I am wondering if the block is my demarc, or is it on the post. I also want more detail, but I'll take whatever is offered. :-) Thanks again, you guys are great! Troy From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 12 13:27:55 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: References: <15623.32044.343722.332272@cthulhu.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020612181735.GA3604@iucha.net> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Doug wrote: > I had a P3V4X that had linux on it at one time, I never got the cpu temp > working either. I've heard of people doing it so I know it's possible, but I > think (and maybe way off here) it involved compiling something into the > kernel to get it to work. Search freshmeat for lm_sensors. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/64e507a6/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 12 13:32:50 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] att cable modem caps Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888791A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I just read a fun little story on slashdot about how att is going to move to a pay per byte scheme with their cable modem subscribers by the end of summer. Pricing isn't down yet. So, I need to find something else. I cannot get DSL, I'm too far from the CO. I can get wireless from sbwireless.net or implex.net. I can get a T1. I can get ???? What else is available? Does anyone know of a place I can get a dirt cheap T1? The cheapest I've found is $699 a month (loop fee is included) for a full T1 with an entire class C. Implex and SBWireless both have hefty setup fees, and I need to get a 40 foot mast to get above my trees. I know there are places in the country that have "WDSL" (wireless dsl), does anyone offer that here? Is it just a fancy name for 802.11? A friend of mine who lives a couple miles from me has a fairly fast DSL line. I was thinking of getting a dry pair to his house ($40 or so a month, also called an alarm pair). You can set up an SDSL modem on each end and achieve 1Mbit/sec across the link. So I'd just route through his network and out his DSL line. It would be nice if we could get a community wireless network set up with users paying a portion of the cost for internet connectivity, a non-profit type thing. But it's hard to find people with the initiative and the finances to get things set up. Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 12 13:49:39 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device In-Reply-To: References: <20020612171206.GA4543@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020612184526.GA10379@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:58:13PM -0500, Loren Burlingame wrote: >>most of the dvd playing apps are set by default to look for /dev/dvd and >>/dev/rdvd. You should be able to configure that or just make symlinks >>ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/dvd >>ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/rdvd > >you are correct sir. I was (once again) looking for an elephant with a >magnafying glass. > >it is funny that right when I think I know something about Linux something >like this happens *sigh* > >at least I know from experience that problems are rarely that hard to figure >out, it just takes another set of eyes. It's really just simple problem solving. Start basic and work your way up. i.e. if your network interface appears to stop working, first check that the driver is loaded, if so check to make sure you have lights both on the switch then on the nic, then try replacing the cable with a known good cable, try diff ports, try diff nics etc etc etc. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a "raw-io" capability in Linux that allows one to bypass the page/buffer/etc cache, to allow certain application (databases for example) to work on the "bare metal". See http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto-8.html for an example of how to setup them. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/e063777e/attachment.pgp From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 14:01:24 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] att cable modem caps References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888791A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: > I just read a fun little story on slashdot about how att is going to move to > a pay per byte scheme with their cable modem subscribers by the end of > summer. Pricing isn't down yet. I read it too, but it seemed that the whole point of the article was that it would only hurt P2P file swappers. Also, from what I have read, you seem to be willing to pay more then you are currently for cable access. Why not wait for your first bill to come after this policy is implememted (if it even IS implemented) before you decide that you don't like it? LB From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 14:24:16 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] att cable modem caps In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888791A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > So, I need to find something else. I cannot get DSL, I'm too far from > the CO. Have you checked DSL recently? Qwest just relaxed their requirements, so a lot of people can get it now who couldn't before. > Does anyone know of a place I can get a dirt cheap T1? The cheapest > I've found is $699 a month (loop fee is included) for a full T1 with > an entire class C. If you're out of DSL range, your local loop is probably $350-$400/mo, so finding a full T1 (not metered bandwidth) for $700/mo is an _extremely_ good deal. > A friend of mine who lives a couple miles from me has a fairly fast > DSL line. I was thinking of getting a dry pair to his house ($40 or > so a month, also called an alarm pair). You can set up an SDSL modem > on each end and achieve 1Mbit/sec across the link. So I'd just route > through his network and out his DSL line. Got any decent line of sight to him? You could set up wireless to him instead of one of the wireless companies. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 14:38:05 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887918@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887918@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <15623.41095.140771.321550@cthulhu.mydomain> Austad, Jay writes: > > Any idea how to monitor my CPU temperature? I just tried > > using gkrellm, and as far as I can tell it's more of a > > segfault generator than anything else :-( > > I haven't had any problems with it, ever. Your box must really be hosed. > :) I tried using a Mandrake version. It has gobs of plugins. They don't have docs, and unwary attempts to activate them cause seg faults. Sounds like a job for compiling it myself. R From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 12 14:38:46 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone know of any wireless communities in the Twin Cities. If not, we should see if we could sort of organize something. It probably won't be grand in size, but maybe if we get enough people, have nice pockets of service. From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 14:46:14 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux reboots more often than windows In-Reply-To: <20020612160443.GA1272@refried.org> References: <15622.24775.191105.720137@cthulhu.mydomain> <20020612102306.3cffac16.rudie@sihope.com> <20020612160443.GA1272@refried.org> Message-ID: <15623.41470.415326.455975@cthulhu.mydomain> nate@refried.org writes: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:23:06AM +0600, K Hinze wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:14:52 -0500 (CDT) > > Michael Vieths wrote: > > Celeron chips pre-800MHz were 66MHz fsb. If your celeron is running at > > 450MHz it MUST be overclocked, and consequently overheating. The one > > long-beep typically is overheat alarm. Always has meant that for me. > > Clock that chip back to a 66MHz fsb, and hopefully you haven't done > > permanent damage. > > Let's see the popular chip to do this with was the Celeron 300a. > > 300Mhz / 66Mhz FSB = 4.5 clock multiplier > 450Mhz / 4.5 clock multiplier = 100Mhz FSB > > 66Mhz -> 100Mhz is quite the stretch. Under carefully controlled > conditions the system was actually bootable and maybe ran a > benchmark before crashing. > > Definitely put the FSB back to 66Mhz. If the system keeps crashing, > throw the chip out and get a new one. If the system is stable and > you're still feeling slow, 75Mhz sometimes works. I have a Celeron 433 > that I've run at 488 for a couple years without any trouble. But give > the system a few months at 66Mhz before you try that. Actually, my mistake. It's a celeron 500. But note that I have NEVER had a crash with this beast. It's just beeped me into submission. :-> R From dante at plethora.net Wed Jun 12 15:06:02 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, let's try this again... http://www.tcwug.org/ On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Anyone know of any wireless communities in the Twin Cities. > > If not, we should see if we could sort of organize something. It probably > won't be grand in size, but maybe if we get enough people, have nice pockets > of service. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dante at plethora.net Wed Jun 12 15:08:17 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Anyone know of any wireless communities in the Twin Cities. > > If not, we should see if we could sort of organize something. It probably > won't be grand in size, but maybe if we get enough people, have nice pockets > of service. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 15:08:33 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device References: <20020612171206.GA4543@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020612184832.GB3604@iucha.net> Message-ID: >No, he is not correct. I guess you could be correct, it seemed to work correctly after making the symlink but on closer examination xine (or ogle) is not using the "raw" device like I thought it was (it is still using the buffered device). I was maybe to eager to admit that I was a dumbass :) >There is someting else "raw" related to I/O in Linux. >There is a "raw-io" capability in Linux that allows one to bypass >the page/buffer/etc cache, to allow certain application >(databases for example) to work on the "bare metal". yep, I figured that much out in my research in the subject. >See http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto-8.html for an >example of how to setup them. been over it, but the problem is I could not find the 'raw' executable they use in their examples to make the raw device. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 12 15:32:39 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] att cable modem caps Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887922@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Have you checked DSL recently? > > Qwest just relaxed their requirements, so a lot of people can > get it now who couldn't before. I checked about 6 months ago. Even if I can get it, I don't know if I want to give Qwest any money. I'm Qwest free now thanks to Vonage.com. > If you're out of DSL range, your local loop is probably > $350-$400/mo, so finding a full T1 (not metered bandwidth) > for $700/mo is an _extremely_ good deal. Qwest's loop fee to my place is $210 a month. Although, when Onvoy was running their $299 T1 deal awhile back, they (onvoy) tacked on a $420 loop fee. I nailed them on this and they said they'd "work with me" on it, but they wouldn't go below $350, so Onvoy is jacking the price on the loop fee, paying qwest their share and keeping the rest. > Got any decent line of sight to him? > > You could set up wireless to him instead of one of the > wireless companies. I might. He would need a mast antenna though, and since his lot is small, it can't be very tall. I'm in brooklyn park, and the max height of your antenna is dictated by how many feet back it is from the road (1 foot of antenna for every 5 feet from the road, or something like that). My lot is 220 feet deep, so I can get high enough, but I don't know if he can. I would doubt much would happen if either of us went too high. As long as the antenna is painted to blend in, most neighbors probably won't report it as an eyesore. I'd probably be able to hit my place of employment, but getting our building to let us put things on the roof is nearly impossible. I don't want to be connected to this network anyway. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 16:39:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] att cable modem caps In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887922@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > I checked about 6 months ago. Even if I can get it, I don't know if I > want to give Qwest any money. I'm Qwest free now thanks to > Vonage.com. Vonage offer local phone numers yet? > Qwest's loop fee to my place is $210 a month. Although, when Onvoy was > running their $299 T1 deal awhile back, they (onvoy) tacked on a $420 loop > fee. I nailed them on this and they said they'd "work with me" on it, but > they wouldn't go below $350, so Onvoy is jacking the price on the loop fee, > paying qwest their share and keeping the rest. Sheesh! You got yourself a good loop price. :) Could be that Onvoy was including their pvc charge in that fee, although that shouldn't be more than $20-$30/mo, on the high end.. > I might. He would need a mast antenna though, and since his lot is > small, it can't be very tall. I'm in brooklyn park, and the max > height of your antenna is dictated by how many feet back it is from > the road (1 foot of antenna for every 5 feet from the road, or > something like that). My lot is 220 feet deep, so I can get high > enough, but I don't know if he can. I would doubt much would happen > if either of us went too high. As long as the antenna is painted to > blend in, most neighbors probably won't report it as an eyesore. Get Ham Radio licenses, then you can do whatever you want (within reason). > I'd probably be able to hit my place of employment, but getting our > building to let us put things on the roof is nearly impossible. I > don't want to be connected to this network anyway. Heh, yeah. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 12 16:50:05 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device In-Reply-To: <20020612184832.GB3604@iucha.net> References: <20020612171206.GA4543@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020612184832.GB3604@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020612214332.GE10379@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 01:48:32PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:58:13PM -0500, Loren Burlingame wrote: >> >most of the dvd playing apps are set by default to look for /dev/dvd and >> >/dev/rdvd. You should be able to configure that or just make symlinks >> >ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/dvd >> >ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/rdvd >> >> you are correct sir. I was (once again) looking for an elephant with a >> magnafying glass. > >No, he is not correct. Gee thats funny. Then explain how my dvd-rom works just fine without that? And I'm pretty sure the person I responded to got thiers working too. > >There is someting else "raw" related to I/O in Linux. >There is a "raw-io" capability in Linux that allows one to bypass >the page/buffer/etc cache, to allow certain application >(databases for example) to work on the "bare metal". > >See http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto-8.html for an >example of how to setup them. > >florin > >-- > >"If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They ought to improve performance in certain cases by avoiding caching information that does not need to be cached. So for DVDs, raw device might help an underpowered machine skip less frames. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/8689eb08/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 18:16:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Anyone know of any wireless communities in the Twin Cities. > > If not, we should see if we could sort of organize something. It > probably won't be grand in size, but maybe if we get enough people, > have nice pockets of service. http://www.tcwug.org -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 12 19:12:11 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BEERMEETING on Thurs. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020612153645.GF13076@ringworld.org> * Yaron [020612 02:10]: > Hehe, the day I start smoking - or heck, the day smoking doesn't REALLY > bother me, is the day my father declares personal victory. Naturally I ditto on the no smoking. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ 01:00 LILO IS REALLY DIANORA 01:00 DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jun 12 20:27:51 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring References: Message-ID: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> In addition, I would suggest that the demarc (or bridge as some of the old timers call it), be attached to a "network interface". This is a simple rj11/13 socket and jack unit that will allow you to disconnect the house wiring from the telco side. If you have a problem with your phone service, simple disconnect the house wires and plug in a phone to see if your problem is the telco or the house wiring. There is two classes of wire. Cat3 has 4 wires (2 pair) and is used for most phone wiring. Of these wires, there are two ways to wire it. In RJ11, only the red and green carry the phone signals and the yellow and black remain unused. This is typical for most house wiring. RJ13 extends RJ11 by placing a second phone line on the yellow/black pair. You can get RJ13 phones and splitters at Radio Shack. Cat3 can not be used for LAN wiring. To connect cat3 wire, you can use a punchdown terminal block, or there are small button sized "wire nuts". Keep the amount of wire outside the sheath to a minimum to reduce noise. Cat3 wire, modular RJ11/13 & RJ45 sockets, and just about anything else can be found at Home Depot. Cat5[e] wire is used for LAN, specifically 10baseT. This wire has 4 twisted pair wires. Cat5 can be used to carry phone signals, just be very sure that you don't connect a phone line to a lan card :{(> I would recommend that if your using cat5 cable for phone, that you put RJ11/13 sockets in. RJ45 (LAN) plugs won't fit into an RJ11/13 socket. If you decide to use the run for LAN later, change the plug. You need to keep the amount of exposed wire on LAN wiring to less than 1/2" (for 100BaseT). Most LAN specs also require no more than 4 socket/plug pairs per run. No this plugs into that, which plugs into this. I suggest that if you do any phone wire work, that you take one phone off the hook. The ring signal runs between 70 and 110 volts and can give you a good jolt. Taking a phone off the hook will prevent it from ringing. I wired my house for RJ13. On the utility board I put a 2 socket plate, where I put the DSL filter. The output of the filter goes to the R/G pair and the unfiltered goes to the Y/B pair. That way I only need one filter and I can connect the DSL to any of the phone jacks. Bruce Broecker wrote: > > Uggh, I'm going to have to get this list at home, at least Pegasus can burst digest mail. > > Anyway, to Troy's question, Yes, that four post block is your demarc. I've got the same thing in my house. As a matter of fact, when I ordered the second line, they put another one in just like it. The posts are tied together in pairs and the inbound telco line will terminate on one side of that block. You simply need to hook up to the other side of it. When I moved in, there was about a dozen pairs of single pair wire wrapped around that second pair of terminals. I had no end of trouble with my phones until I broke it out onto a punch down. > > Bruce > > >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 06/12/02 12:27PM >>> > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:07:58 -0500 > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Lots of good information on pricing and stuff, > many thanks! > > However, I should have been more specific > in my question. I want more information/specs/ > standards for telco to home connections. > > My reason for asking is that I have searched around > on the web and found that most demarc units > described/pictured look like gray boxes on the > side of ones house with a telco side and an > enduser side. Mine comes from the pole, in through > a hole in the house, and terminates at a four post > connection block that looks as old as the house > (35 years). I am wondering if the block is my demarc, > or is it on the post. I also want more detail, but > I'll take whatever is offered. :-) > > Thanks again, you guys are great! > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 12 20:46:29 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> Message-ID: Diddo on the phone off the hook. When I was a teenager and didn't know any better, I used to strip the wires with my teeth. You wanna talk about a jolt! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Troy.A#032#Johnson#034##060#troy.johnson@toro.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In addition, I would suggest that the demarc (or bridge as some of the old timers call it), be attached to a "network interface". This is a simple rj11/13 socket and jack unit that will allow you to disconnect the house wiring from the telco side. If you have a problem with your phone service, simple disconnect the house wires and plug in a phone to see if your problem is the telco or the house wiring. There is two classes of wire. Cat3 has 4 wires (2 pair) and is used for most phone wiring. Of these wires, there are two ways to wire it. In RJ11, only the red and green carry the phone signals and the yellow and black remain unused. This is typical for most house wiring. RJ13 extends RJ11 by placing a second phone line on the yellow/black pair. You can get RJ13 phones and splitters at Radio Shack. Cat3 can not be used for LAN wiring. To connect cat3 wire, you can use a punchdown terminal block, or there are small button sized "wire nuts". Keep the amount of wire outside the sheath to a minimum to reduce noise. Cat3 wire, modular RJ11/13 & RJ45 sockets, and just about anything else can be found at Home Depot. Cat5[e] wire is used for LAN, specifically 10baseT. This wire has 4 twisted pair wires. Cat5 can be used to carry phone signals, just be very sure that you don't connect a phone line to a lan card :{(> I would recommend that if your using cat5 cable for phone, that you put RJ11/13 sockets in. RJ45 (LAN) plugs won't fit into an RJ11/13 socket. If you decide to use the run for LAN later, change the plug. You need to keep the amount of exposed wire on LAN wiring to less than 1/2" (for 100BaseT). Most LAN specs also require no more than 4 socket/plug pairs per run. No this plugs into that, which plugs into this. I suggest that if you do any phone wire work, that you take one phone off the hook. The ring signal runs between 70 and 110 volts and can give you a good jolt. Taking a phone off the hook will prevent it from ringing. I wired my house for RJ13. On the utility board I put a 2 socket plate, where I put the DSL filter. The output of the filter goes to the R/G pair and the unfiltered goes to the Y/B pair. That way I only need one filter and I can connect the DSL to any of the phone jacks. Bruce Broecker wrote: > > Uggh, I'm going to have to get this list at home, at least Pegasus can burst digest mail. > > Anyway, to Troy's question, Yes, that four post block is your demarc. I've got the same thing in my house. As a matter of fact, when I ordered the second line, they put another one in just like it. The posts are tied together in pairs and the inbound telco line will terminate on one side of that block. You simply need to hook up to the other side of it. When I moved in, there was about a dozen pairs of single pair wire wrapped around that second pair of terminals. I had no end of trouble with my phones until I broke it out onto a punch down. > > Bruce > > >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 06/12/02 12:27PM >>> > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:07:58 -0500 > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Lots of good information on pricing and stuff, > many thanks! > > However, I should have been more specific > in my question. I want more information/specs/ > standards for telco to home connections. > > My reason for asking is that I have searched around > on the web and found that most demarc units > described/pictured look like gray boxes on the > side of ones house with a telco side and an > enduser side. Mine comes from the pole, in through > a hole in the house, and terminates at a four post > connection block that looks as old as the house > (35 years). I am wondering if the block is my demarc, > or is it on the post. I also want more detail, but > I'll take whatever is offered. :-) > > Thanks again, you guys are great! > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 12 21:37:44 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> References: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1023935118.29131.76.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 20:23, Wayne Johnson wrote: > There is two classes of wire. Cat3 has 4 wires (2 pair) and is used for I'm pretty sure that Cat3 is 8-wire, 4 (barely) twisted pairs. I don't know what the technical term for regular phone wire is.. Cat5 has more twists than Cat3, making it more resistant to interference. Cat3 can handle 10Base-T traffic fairly well from what I recall, but you run into problems when running 100Base-TX, or 10Base-T on long runs. IIRC, 10Base-T uses a 20MHz signaling rate, while 100Base-TX goes at 125MHz. I know I've seen Cat5e cables labeled as being certified for 350MHz, though I'm not sure if that lets you run gigabit or not -- probably kind of iffy (not that I'd feel safe running gigabit on copper more than a few feet anyway..) At any rate, I recently heard that the FCC (or some other government org) recommends that new houses be strung with Cat5 for phone. I guess their reasoning was that it's easier to manage that way, not too expensive given the availability of hardware these days, and allows for expansion if standards change in the future. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I like your approach, now / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ let's see your departure. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/98fcfd0f/attachment.pgp From linux at bmetzler.org Wed Jun 12 21:54:46 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023936380.4717.3.camel@client10> On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 14:31, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Anyone know of any wireless communities in the Twin Cities. > > If not, we should see if we could sort of organize something. It probably > won't be grand in size, but maybe if we get enough people, have nice pockets > of service. There are wireless cafe's :( Anyways, I think that the closest wireless ISP around here covers various southern MN communities. I'd love that have any type of broadband connection for under $100 a month. I've been offering both AT&T and Qwest gobs of money for a long time, but both seem to decline. Of course, it'd also be nice to actually have a job, but I can still dream... -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Jun 12 22:13:08 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor Message-ID: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From wilson at visi.com Wed Jun 12 22:23:17 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor In-Reply-To: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched > Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. Doesn't Mozilla have a GUI HTML editor? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 12 22:59:06 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor In-Reply-To: <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020613035644.GA5234@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:22:13PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: >On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: >> Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched >> Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. Editors are for wimps! Use cat and CTRL-D! I think there's coffeecup for linux. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/df258fac/attachment.pgp From linux at dougsweb.net Wed Jun 12 22:59:39 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid In-Reply-To: <1023936380.4717.3.camel@client10> References: <1023936380.4717.3.camel@client10> Message-ID: <1023922347.1837.12.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> Hey is anyone successfully using that chipset in a raid configuration in Linux? I have an MSI board with an AMD 1.4ghz and the board has the promise 20265 lite chipset on it. (Link to the board below) Since win2k server has decided it doesn't want to be on there anymore I'd like to put RH 7.3 on it, and I'd like to mirror 2-40 gig drives with it. I seem to remember reading somewhere awhile ago that linux can see the raid chipset, but you can't actually raid any drives. Can anyone shed any light? http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=K7T_266_PRO-R Thanks Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Personally, I use Bluefish, but it is a text-based editor. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020612/d7449778/attachment.pgp From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Jun 12 23:30:24 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor In-Reply-To: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1023943459.5332.825.camel@yafa> On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 20:58, Raymond Norton wrote: > Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched > Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. Well Raymond, if you are looking for WYSIWYG editor then I think Mozilla might be your only bet. However, this does not mean that there aren't excellent GUI HTML editors out there for Linux. Some are GPL, and some aren't. Quanta Plus http://quanta.sourceforge.net This is a really awesome KDE oriented GUI HTML editor. It has a slicker brother called Quanta Gold which is not GPL from theKompany http://thekompany.com which I use extensively. BlueFish is another option. It is gtk+ (if that is your cup of tea). I tried to use it, but I didn't get into it. I'll d/l it and install it for a test ride. Let me know if you want more info in a few days. There is another editor called Peacock on sourceforge, which I haven't seen or used. A word to the wise though, go with these web editing environments if you can rather than using a WYSIWYG. If web design is something you want to learn/grow into then hand coding is much better than letting FP and DreamWeaver do the work for you. Besides, it makes figuriong things out so much easier if you need to fix things. Samir M. Nassar - Ex DreamWeaver user. RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 12 23:44:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > There is two classes of wire. Cat3 has 4 wires (2 pair) and is used > for most phone wiring. Of these wires, there are two ways to wire it. > In RJ11, only the red and green carry the phone signals and the yellow > and black remain unused. This is typical for most house wiring. > RJ13 extends RJ11 by placing a second phone line on the yellow/black > pair. You can get RJ13 phones and splitters at Radio Shack. Cat3 can > not be used for LAN wiring. To connect cat3 wire, you can use a > punchdown terminal block, or there are small button sized "wire nuts". > Keep the amount of wire outside the sheath to a minimum to reduce > noise. Cat3 wire, modular RJ11/13 & RJ45 sockets, and just about > anything else can be found at Home Depot. Cat3's actually a different grade of wire, it's just like Cat5 (8 wires), just less twists per inch. I actually think you can get 2-pair Cat3/Cat5, but the more common is 4-pair. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jun 12 23:48:17 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> Message-ID: Removing uncited material for readability... On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > There is two classes of wire. Cat3 has 4 wires (2 pair) and is used for > most phone wiring. Of these wires, there are two ways to wire it. In > RJ11, only the red and green carry the phone signals and the yellow and > black remain unused. This is typical for most house wiring. RJ13 > extends RJ11 by placing a second phone line on the yellow/black pair. > You can get RJ13 phones and splitters at Radio Shack. Cat3 can not be > used for LAN wiring. To connect cat3 wire, you can use a punchdown > terminal block, or there are small button sized "wire nuts". Keep the > amount of wire outside the sheath to a minimum to reduce noise. Cat3 > wire, modular RJ11/13 & RJ45 sockets, and just about anything else can > be found at Home Depot. Cat3 is a wire specification, not a hard-and-fast identifier for how many wires are in a plastic wrapper. There's 2-pair, 4-pair, and heck, even 25-pair (with probably a few stops in-between). I've spent a lot of time throughout the last week backpulling old phone/network cable, a lot of which was 4-pair Cat3. > Cat5[e] wire is used for LAN, specifically 10baseT. This wire has 4 > twisted pair wires. Cat5 can be used to carry phone signals, just be > very sure that you don't connect a phone line to a lan card :{(> I > would recommend that if your using cat5 cable for phone, that you put > RJ11/13 sockets in. RJ45 (LAN) plugs won't fit into an RJ11/13 socket. > If you decide to use the run for LAN later, change the plug. You need > to keep the amount of exposed wire on LAN wiring to less than 1/2" (for > 100BaseT). Most LAN specs also require no more than 4 socket/plug pairs > per run. No this plugs into that, which plugs into this. I've actually found some modular wall outlet components that work great with RJ-45, RJ-11, and possibly RJ-13, although the outlets are technically RJ-45. (I suspect they have RJ-11/13 modules, but unfortunately I had to order the materials before they'd picked out a phone system, so I erred on the side of having more wires than I needed available.) The stuff I'm using is from Allen Tel, their Versatap product line. I'm sure other manufacturers have similar products. Of course, if you go this route, be sure to label everything to avoid any mishaps. I color-coded the outlets in my case (white is phone, blue is network, orange is don't-you-dare-plug-anything-into-this). Graybar (http://www.graybar.com) has been a pretty good supplier for me. They have a few locations in town. Jima From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 01:22:02 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <1023936380.4717.3.camel@client10> Message-ID: <00b201c212a1$4a1574f0$6c01a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brent Metzler > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:46 PM > > There are wireless cafe's :( > Where are some wireless cafes?? From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Thu Jun 13 06:34:37 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Possible Wireless Community in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <00b201c212a1$4a1574f0$6c01a8c0@HPZT> References: <00b201c212a1$4a1574f0$6c01a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <02061305595500.00610@nancy> Dunn Brothers on Winnetka in Golden Valley just north of Hwy 55. 802.11b, unencrypted, SSID = PCSPEED Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Thursday 13 June 2002 01:10, Chuck Cole wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brent Metzler > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:46 PM > > > > There are wireless cafe's :( > > Where are some wireless cafes?? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Jun 13 07:50:17 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor In-Reply-To: <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <1023970576.22984.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched > > Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. > > Doesn't Mozilla have a GUI HTML editor? > > -Tim I've also used Bluefish though not extensively. -Brady From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 13 08:40:14 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: References: <3D07F403.10390A2B@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <42066.198.74.20.77.1023974732.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Cat3's actually a different grade of wire, it's just like Cat5 (8 > wires), just less twists per inch. I actually think you can get 2-pair > Cat3/Cat5, but the more common is 4-pair. you can get 2-pair wire that has enough twists to be used for ethernet, but iirc for it to be cat-5 and for it to certified as such it has to be 4-pair -munir From theixian at hotmail.com Thu Jun 13 10:04:05 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device Message-ID: > > >See http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto-8.html for >an > > >example of how to setup them. > > > > been over it, but the problem is I could not find the 'raw' executable >they > > use in their examples to make the raw device. > >bear:/home/florin# which raw >/sbin/raw >bear:/home/florin# dpkg -S /sbin/raw >util-linux: /sbin/raw > Damn you Debian users!! :P _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From theixian at hotmail.com Thu Jun 13 10:10:10 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor Message-ID: > >Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched >Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. well, I don't know about a drag and drop editor but xvim works nice and has syntax highlighting for html. also take a look at jext, it is a Java text editor that looks much nicer and has syntax highlighting for just about every language you could want. LB _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Jun 13 10:30:51 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup Message-ID: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does anyone have an example script? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net Thu Jun 13 10:34:22 2002 From: klostrophobik at homelessIRC.net (Chris Dresel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor In-Reply-To: <1023970576.22984.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> <1023970576.22984.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <02061310183200.32594@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> I use Bluefish alot, because I like the way it's setup, it's pretty much like Arachnophilia for Windows, except it's got tons more features, but no CGI/PERL scripting support. One of the great features I like about it, is the project feature. Where it keeps pages you select grouped into projects so you can just pull up one project file, instead of pulling up a handfull of different pages. If your a person who does pages for lots of different sites, then you'll like it too. Here's what my screenshot of it looks like, if you care to see it.... http://www.homelessirc.net/bluefish.jpg Chris On Thursday 13 June 2002 07:16 am, you wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched > > > Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. > > > > Doesn't Mozilla have a GUI HTML editor? > > > > -Tim > > I've also used Bluefish though not extensively. > > -Brady > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 13 10:59:06 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: <42066.198.74.20.77.1023974732.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > you can get 2-pair wire that has enough twists to be used for > ethernet, but iirc for it to be cat-5 and for it to certified as such > it has to be 4-pair We've actually got true Cat5e crossover cables from one of our vendors that are just 2-pair Cat5e.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jiml at visi.com Thu Jun 13 11:18:47 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Books on phone / dsl wiring In-Reply-To: References: <42066.198.74.20.77.1023974732.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020613160831.GC1932@visi.com> Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread here but I needed to test something out. Plz, continue on. jl On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:47:35AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > > you can get 2-pair wire that has enough twists to be used for > > ethernet, but iirc for it to be cat-5 and for it to certified as such > > it has to be 4-pair > > We've actually got true Cat5e crossover cables from one of our vendors > that are just 2-pair Cat5e.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From robinj at mninter.net Thu Jun 13 12:23:01 2002 From: robinj at mninter.net (Robin Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> <1023970576.22984.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <02061310183200.32594@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> Message-ID: <3D08CD8C.1080701@mninter.net> I use Quanta Plus (quanta.sourceforge.net) which really the only full-featured editor I can find that uses KDE. Also worth mentioning is Screem (screem.org), another tag-based editor that is similar to BlueFish and Quanta but has PHP scripting features. If you want a WYSIWYG editor, Mozilla Composer is probably about the best thing out there, although I believe there are converters for OpenOffice and AbiWord that let you translate your word processor documents to HTML. - Robin Chris Dresel wrote: > I use Bluefish alot, because I like the way it's setup, it's pretty much like > Arachnophilia for Windows, except it's got tons more features, but no > CGI/PERL scripting support. > > One of the great features I like about it, is the project feature. Where it > keeps pages you select grouped into projects so you can just pull up one > project file, instead of pulling up a handfull of different pages. If your a > person who does pages for lots of different sites, then you'll like it too. > > Here's what my screenshot of it looks like, if you care to see it.... > http://www.homelessirc.net/bluefish.jpg > > Chris > > On Thursday 13 June 2002 07:16 am, you wrote: > >>>On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: >>> >>>>Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched >>>>Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. >>> >>>Doesn't Mozilla have a GUI HTML editor? >>> >>>-Tim >> >>I've also used Bluefish though not extensively. >> >>-Brady >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From john at schererzoo.com Thu Jun 13 12:34:52 2002 From: john at schererzoo.com (John Scherer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <002201c21305$fe080d60$0400a8c0@john> The problem your going to have is that gnome & kde both need "render" extension loaded when it's x server starts. I have had this problem. I gave up and just run fvwm.. -John -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:11 AM To: ; Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does anyone have an example script? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcdoc at snapreporter.com Thu Jun 13 13:13:06 2002 From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe Wozniak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: Ray, Here is my xstartup script and it works great! #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey gnome-wm & panel & gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server ---------------------- On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script > so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does > anyone have an example script? > > > From kethry at winternet.com Thu Jun 13 13:13:44 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <002201c21305$fe080d60$0400a8c0@john> Message-ID: > I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script > so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does > anyone have an example script? > I gave up with vnc and installed cygwin (but I was looking to open a gnome desktop on my windows computer)... Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From joelr at ellegon.com Thu Jun 13 13:28:05 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid In-Reply-To: <1023922347.1837.12.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> Message-ID: I have. Basically, what you do is set up a RAID partition when booting the system -- doesn't matter which kind, although it's slightly easier to set up what the BIOS thinks is a striped partition -- and then ignore it. Linux doesn't see the RAID drives as RAID drives, but as ordinary partitions. Then it's just a matter of setting up the software RAID in Linux itself, and choosing which file system you want to use. (I'm using ext3, and have yet to have any fsck problems, even though I've had to, on a couple of occasions, hit the reset button.) Overhead is apparently small, and Linux supports more kinds of RAID than the Promise chipset does, anyway. (Right now, I've got my / and /home directories on mirrored partitions, and my /var directory on a striped one.) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of doug Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:52 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid Hey is anyone successfully using that chipset in a raid configuration in Linux? I have an MSI board with an AMD 1.4ghz and the board has the promise 20265 lite chipset on it. (Link to the board below) Since win2k server has decided it doesn't want to be on there anymore I'd like to put RH 7.3 on it, and I'd like to mirror 2-40 gig drives with it. I seem to remember reading somewhere awhile ago that linux can see the raid chipset, but you can't actually raid any drives. Can anyone shed any light? http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=K7T_266_PRO-R Thanks Doug From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 13 13:28:26 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: References: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020613182834.GD4132@rtfm.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:00:25PM -0500, Joe Wozniak wrote: >Ray, > >Here is my xstartup script and it works great! > > >#!/bin/sh > >xrdb $HOME/.Xresources >xsetroot -solid grey >gnome-wm & >panel & >gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server why not replace all this with exec gnome-session > > >---------------------- >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script >> so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does >> anyone have an example script? >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020613/362680dc/attachment.pgp From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Jun 13 13:30:34 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall References: Message-ID: <3CEC40C6.17BCA57@dccmn.com> If your ISP has you defined as a single user connection (only 1 IP address) then you need to fake the ISP out by using Masquerading. This causes all traffic from your inside network to appear to come from the linux machine itself. If you don't use masquerading, the ISP doesn't know to route the responses back to your machine. You also need to make sure you have IP forwarding on. I have a similar network here. 9 PCs on the inside that connect to the ISP through a single IP address. I'm am running RedHat 6.2, which used ipchains instead of iptables so I can't give you any specifics. There is a howto on masquerading. I'd be glad to answer any questions you have. > Philip Denny wrote: > > I just discovered the Linux User Group on the web. I am looking for > Linux assistance to solve a problem. I am new to Linux/Unix but after > using for about 6 months, I can see that it is great OS. Can you > recommend one of your members or a student to help me solve what I > believe is a small problem. I am attempting to setup iptables on > Redhat 7.2. The Linux box will be placed in front of a 4 node > windows network. I an able to ping both the inside and outside network > card from any of my windows PCs. But I can't ping anything on the > internet from inside. I can also surf the web from the linux box. I > have down loaded gShield and attempted to install. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Philip From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Jun 13 13:52:32 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2286.204.220.56.2.1023989208.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Thanks Joe! Not real important, but is there some reason the icons don't show up on the desktop? > Ray, > > Here is my xstartup script and it works great! > > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > xsetroot -solid grey > gnome-wm & > panel & > gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server > > > ---------------------- > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup >> script so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal >> window. Does anyone have an example script? >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Jun 13 13:52:53 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <20020613182834.GD4132@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020613182834.GD4132@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <2292.204.220.56.2.1023989309.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > > why not replace all this with > exec gnome-session Another gap in my knowledge, I don't know what exec gnome-session is?? From linux at dougsweb.net Thu Jun 13 14:03:04 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So if I mirrored 2 drives linux would still see 2 drives instead of one? Well I guess seeing 4 more ide devices (up to anyway) is better than nothing. And in doing that have you noticed any performance loss? Thanks for the info... Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joel Rosenberg Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid I have. Basically, what you do is set up a RAID partition when booting the system -- doesn't matter which kind, although it's slightly easier to set up what the BIOS thinks is a striped partition -- and then ignore it. Linux doesn't see the RAID drives as RAID drives, but as ordinary partitions. Then it's just a matter of setting up the software RAID in Linux itself, and choosing which file system you want to use. (I'm using ext3, and have yet to have any fsck problems, even though I've had to, on a couple of occasions, hit the reset button.) Overhead is apparently small, and Linux supports more kinds of RAID than the Promise chipset does, anyway. (Right now, I've got my / and /home directories on mirrored partitions, and my /var directory on a striped one.) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of doug Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:52 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid Hey is anyone successfully using that chipset in a raid configuration in Linux? I have an MSI board with an AMD 1.4ghz and the board has the promise 20265 lite chipset on it. (Link to the board below) Since win2k server has decided it doesn't want to be on there anymore I'd like to put RH 7.3 on it, and I'd like to mirror 2-40 gig drives with it. I seem to remember reading somewhere awhile ago that linux can see the raid chipset, but you can't actually raid any drives. Can anyone shed any light? http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=K7T_266_PRO-R Thanks Doug _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Jun 13 14:11:33 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt auto-view of html Message-ID: <20020613134244.H1511@real-time.com> I have configured mutt to autoview html, which works great EXCEPT that I'd like it to either open a new mozilla tab or a new mozilla window when it does, rather than targetting the current tab I have open. Is there any way to do this? My muttrc contains: auto_view text/html My /etc/mailcap contains: text/html; /usr/bin/htmlview %s ; copiousoutput Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020613/e2de0b71/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jun 13 14:27:16 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall Message-ID: I think the 'ipchains' module is loaded by default in a RH72 setup, which mean the 'ipchains' command will work and 'iptables' will not. You can unload the 'ipchains' module and load the 'iptables' module if you want to use the 'iptables' command interface, but those instructions are beyond the scope of this email. ;-) However, the 'ipchains' commands and advice should work fine (if I am correct). Specify away! Good luck, Troy >>> waynej@dccmn.com 05/22/02 08:07PM >>> I'm am running RedHat 6.2, which used ipchains instead of iptables so I can't give you any specifics. There is a howto on masquerading. > Philip Denny wrote: > > I just discovered the Linux User Group on the web. I am looking for > Linux assistance to solve a problem. I am new to Linux/Unix but after > using for about 6 months, I can see that it is great OS. Can you > recommend one of your members or a student to help me solve what I > believe is a small problem. I am attempting to setup iptables on > Redhat 7.2. From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 13 14:53:38 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt auto-view of html In-Reply-To: <20020613134244.H1511@real-time.com> References: <20020613134244.H1511@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020613194906.GB5625@rtfm.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:42:45PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >I have configured mutt to autoview html, which works great EXCEPT that I'd >like it to either open a new mozilla tab or a new mozilla window when it >does, rather than targetting the current tab I have open. Is there any >way to do this? > >My muttrc contains: > >auto_view text/html > >My /etc/mailcap contains: > >text/html; /usr/bin/htmlview %s ; copiousoutput i personally prefer the html mails to be dumped into my current mail pager text/html; /usr/bin/links -dump %s ; copiousoutput But if you're convinced you want it in galeon, try substituting the command with /usr/bin/galeon --new-tab %s > > >Thanks. >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll need to mess with the setting for htmlview. I don't think that a new tab is currently doable, but a new tab doesn't seem to be [1]. You'll want htmlview to call mozilla with the form: mozilla -remote "openurl(http://www.debian.org,new-window)" It should be fairly easy to get mozilla to do a new tab as well, but the option doesn't seem to be there. Oh, it looks like there are bugs on this - 116653 and 104204. 1. http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 13 15:32:47 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt auto-view of html In-Reply-To: <20020613150349.B9422@real-time.com> References: <20020613134244.H1511@real-time.com> <20020613194906.GB5625@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020613150349.B9422@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020613202903.GG5625@rtfm.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 03:03:49PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:49:06PM -0500, Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com) wrote: >> i personally prefer the html mails to be dumped into my current mail pager >> text/html; /usr/bin/links -dump %s ; copiousoutput > >Mmmm...that's much better. Thanks. anytime. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020613/19fdd41b/attachment.pgp From pcdoc at snapreporter.com Thu Jun 13 15:43:54 2002 From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe Wozniak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <2286.204.220.56.2.1023989208.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: You'll probably have to refresh the desktop by changing one of the settings like the background pixmap/color, then they should show up. It's probably not the best way to do things because I don't think the settings will save if you shutdown your vnc server. But since I keep mine up all the time (252 days now) I don't care. I've never tried running exec gnome-session, I'll have to try that sometime. ------------------ On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > Thanks Joe! > > Not real important, but is there some reason the icons don't show up on the > desktop? > > > > > Ray, > > > > Here is my xstartup script and it works great! > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > > xsetroot -solid grey > > gnome-wm & > > panel & > > gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server > > > > > > ---------------------- > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > >> I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup > >> script so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal > >> window. Does anyone have an example script? > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jun 13 15:45:36 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid In-Reply-To: ; from linux@dougsweb.net on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:00:31PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020613153826.I24251@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:00:31PM -0500, Doug wrote: > So if I mirrored 2 drives linux would still see 2 drives instead of > one? Yes and no. At one level, the kernel recognizes that there are two separate drives, /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1 (or whatever). However, the md driver combines hda1 and hdc1 into /dev/md1. You format and mount md1, not hda1 or hdc1. (Touching hda1 or hdc1 directly would cause Bad Things to happen... Well, maybe not if you're doing a mirror, but why take that chance?) > Well I guess seeing 4 more ide devices (up to anyway) is better > than nothing. And in doing that have you noticed any performance loss? Works great for me, although I only do 2 devices on my HPT366 controller. If you put two drives on the same IDE channel and RAID them, you _will_ see a performance loss. When RAIDing (or any other time you're being performance-conscious), slave drives should be avoided, even if it means buying another IDE controller card. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From joelr at ellegon.com Thu Jun 13 15:55:53 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid > > > So if I mirrored 2 drives linux would still see 2 drives instead > of one? Yup. > Well I guess seeing 4 more ide devices (up to anyway) is > better than nothing. And in doing that have you noticed any > performance loss? > Nope. There probably is some overhead, but I can't measure it -- in fact, the system seems a touch faster, probably because of the use of multiple drive buffers on the mirrored drive. > Thanks for the info... > > Doug > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joel Rosenberg > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid > > > I have. Basically, what you do is set up a RAID partition when > booting the system -- doesn't matter which kind, although it's > slightly easier to set up what the BIOS thinks is a striped > partition -- and then ignore it. Linux doesn't see the RAID > drives as RAID drives, but as ordinary partitions. Then it's > just a matter of setting up the software RAID in Linux itself, > and choosing which file system you want to use. (I'm using ext3, > and have yet to have any fsck problems, even though I've had to, > on a couple of occasions, hit the reset button.) > > Overhead is apparently small, and Linux supports more kinds of > RAID than the Promise chipset does, anyway. (Right now, I've got > my / and /home directories on mirrored partitions, and my /var > directory on a striped one.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of doug > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:52 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Promise ATA/Raid > > > Hey is anyone successfully using that chipset in a raid > configuration in Linux? I have an MSI board with an AMD 1.4ghz > and the board has the promise 20265 lite chipset on it. (Link to > the board below) Since win2k server has decided it doesn't want > to be on there anymore I'd like to put RH 7.3 on it, and I'd like > to mirror 2-40 gig drives with it. I seem to remember reading > somewhere awhile ago that linux can see the raid chipset, but you > can't actually raid any drives. Can anyone shed any light? > > http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp? model=K7T_266_PRO-R Thanks Doug _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jiml at visi.com Thu Jun 13 16:05:35 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: References: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020613193633.GA2525@visi.com> I use the following: #!/bin/sh xsetroot -solid grey xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktoop" & case "$VNCDESKTOP" in kde) startkde & ;; ice) icewm & ;; bb) blackbox & ;; *) xterm -geometry 40x10+40+40 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & twm & ;; esac then on starting vncserver: vncserver -name (kde|ice|bb) This works for me, of course ymmv. jl On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:00:25PM -0500, Joe Wozniak wrote: > Ray, > > Here is my xstartup script and it works great! > > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > xsetroot -solid grey > gnome-wm & > panel & > gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server > > > ---------------------- > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup script > > so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal window. Does > > anyone have an example script? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Jun 13 16:06:06 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd (and did) switch to iptables. You should see what iptables + advanced routing can do for QoS. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall I think the 'ipchains' module is loaded by default in a RH72 setup, which mean the 'ipchains' command will work and 'iptables' will not. You can unload the 'ipchains' module and load the 'iptables' module if you want to use the 'iptables' command interface, but those instructions are beyond the scope of this email. ;-) However, the 'ipchains' commands and advice should work fine (if I am correct). Specify away! Good luck, Troy >>> waynej@dccmn.com 05/22/02 08:07PM >>> I'm am running RedHat 6.2, which used ipchains instead of iptables so I can't give you any specifics. There is a howto on masquerading. > Philip Denny wrote: > > I just discovered the Linux User Group on the web. I am looking for > Linux assistance to solve a problem. I am new to Linux/Unix but after > using for about 6 months, I can see that it is great OS. Can you > recommend one of your members or a student to help me solve what I > believe is a small problem. I am attempting to setup iptables on > Redhat 7.2. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jun 13 16:16:18 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup Message-ID: kdeinit ??? >>> pcdoc@snapreporter.com 06/13/02 03:34PM >>> You'll probably have to refresh the desktop by changing one of the settings like the background pixmap/color, then they should show up. It's probably not the best way to do things because I don't think the settings will save if you shutdown your vnc server. But since I keep mine up all the time (252 days now) I don't care. I've never tried running exec gnome-session, I'll have to try that sometime. ------------------ On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > Thanks Joe! > > Not real important, but is there some reason the icons don't show up on the > desktop? > > > > > Ray, > > > > Here is my xstartup script and it works great! > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > > xsetroot -solid grey > > gnome-wm & > > panel & > > gnome-terminal --use-factory --start-factory-server > > > > > > ---------------------- > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > >> I know this should be simple. I am trying to edit the vnc xstartup > >> script so I get a normal gnome or kde desktop instead of the terminal > >> window. Does anyone have an example script? > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jun 13 16:18:43 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206131612.11334.list@slushpupie.com> Yes, ipchains is the default, and for some reason when I removed the ipchains module, I cannot load any iptables stuff. I recompiled the kernel with the same config they used, and then it works. At least that was the case for me an the 2.4.9-34 kernel. On Thursday 13 June 2002 2:15 pm, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I think the 'ipchains' module is loaded by default in > a RH72 setup, which mean the 'ipchains' command > will work and 'iptables' will not. You can unload the > 'ipchains' module and load the 'iptables' module if > you want to use the 'iptables' command interface, > but those instructions are beyond the scope of this > email. ;-) > > However, the 'ipchains' commands and advice > should work fine (if I am correct). > > Specify away! > > Good luck, > > Troy > From jiml at visi.com Thu Jun 13 16:33:53 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vnc xstartup In-Reply-To: <20020613193633.GA2525@visi.com> References: <1953.204.220.56.2.1023977462.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613193633.GA2525@visi.com> Message-ID: <20020613212306.GC3034@visi.com> for gnome you could throw in: gnome) gnome-session & ;; jl On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:36:34PM -0500, Jim Louis wrote: > I use the following: > > #!/bin/sh > xsetroot -solid grey > xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktoop" & > case "$VNCDESKTOP" in > kde) > startkde & > ;; > ice) > icewm & > ;; > bb) blackbox & > ;; > *) > xterm -geometry 40x10+40+40 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & > twm & > ;; > esac > > then on starting vncserver: vncserver -name (kde|ice|bb) > > > This works for me, of course ymmv. > > jl > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jun 13 16:52:18 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall Message-ID: Hopefully I will get a chance to do so tomorrow... >>> bneigebauer@attbi.com 06/13/02 02:38PM >>> I'd (and did) switch to iptables. You should see what iptables + advanced routing can do for QoS. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 13 17:37:11 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device In-Reply-To: ; from theixian@hotmail.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:51:41AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020613173333.L10820@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:51:41AM -0500, Loren Burlingame wrote: > > > >bear:/home/florin# which raw > >/sbin/raw > >bear:/home/florin# dpkg -S /sbin/raw > >util-linux: /sbin/raw > > > > Damn you Debian users!! :P > Pfft. [root@techmonkeys(~)]: rpm -q -f `which raw` util-linux-2.11n-12 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 13 18:37:08 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002, Philip Denny wrote: > have down loaded gShield and attempted to install. gShield is an excelent script IMHO, if you use it make sure you disable the buildin iptables/ipchains rules that redhat setup: chkconfig --level 123456 iptables off <--- same for ipchians also in the gShield.conf make sure the following options are set: LOCALIF=" MULTI="YES" INTIF=" go over the conf file again and double check everything else > What am I doing wrong? i have no idea ;-) -munir From theixian at hotmail.com Thu Jun 13 18:47:53 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a raw device References: <20020613173333.L10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: > > >bear:/home/florin# which raw > > >/sbin/raw > > >bear:/home/florin# dpkg -S /sbin/raw > > >util-linux: /sbin/raw > > > > > > > Damn you Debian users!! :P > > > > Pfft. > > [root@techmonkeys(~)]: rpm -q -f `which raw` > util-linux-2.11n-12 > well, Slack doesn't have a frilly package db loren@grok:~$locate 'raw' | grep .*raw$ loren@grok:~$ LB From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 13 19:42:52 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID Message-ID: <1024014873.29311.124.camel@3po.dhs.org> I've been thinking about putting together some sort of RAID system for my home system, just to give myself a little extra layer of protection. However, I don't really want to figure out how to fit another two or three drives into my system. Putting drives outside the box has problems, though, since IDE cables aren't really meant to go there.. Going outside the box probably means using SCSI, FireWire, or USB 2.0. SCSI would be nice, but it's expensive, and I'm sure that any IDE<->SCSI bridges probably cost quite a bit. USB scares me a bit, so I've been looking at what can be done with FireWire. Anyway, I guess I'll just outline my thoughts and see if anyone thinks it's a stupid idea or what.. I'm thinking of scrounging up an enclosure of some kind (probably an old SCSI box), ripping out any extra guts, putting in 3 or 4 IDE drives, and using FireWire<->IDE bridges to connect them to a FireWire bus. Optimistically, I think I could pull it off for about $500, but maybe I'm just deluding myself.. Is this a stupid idea? Should I just do SCSI instead, or buy a new case? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The more things change, the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ more they stay insane. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020613/37291bfb/attachment.pgp From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 13 21:02:13 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID References: <1024014873.29311.124.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <3D094ECF.AB7BA00E@usfamily.net> Have you considered Fibre Channel? That would be the way I would go if I wanted to build an array. Its not too expencive either, you can find some cheap Fibre Channel drives on ebay or a few other places I know of. Plus there is no limit on how many you can add to the loop. That way you can keep all of your drives outside the case, or even in your closet, and wont have to get a new case. And if you do it right you can do it for much cheaper than $500. Mike Hicks wrote: > I've been thinking about putting together some sort of RAID system for > my home system, just to give myself a little extra layer of protection. > However, I don't really want to figure out how to fit another two or > three drives into my system. Putting drives outside the box has > problems, though, since IDE cables aren't really meant to go there.. > > Going outside the box probably means using SCSI, FireWire, or USB 2.0. > SCSI would be nice, but it's expensive, and I'm sure that any IDE<->SCSI > bridges probably cost quite a bit. USB scares me a bit, so I've been > looking at what can be done with FireWire. > > Anyway, I guess I'll just outline my thoughts and see if anyone thinks > it's a stupid idea or what.. > > I'm thinking of scrounging up an enclosure of some kind (probably an old > SCSI box), ripping out any extra guts, putting in 3 or 4 IDE drives, and > using FireWire<->IDE bridges to connect them to a FireWire bus. > > Optimistically, I think I could pull it off for about $500, but maybe > I'm just deluding myself.. > > Is this a stupid idea? Should I just do SCSI instead, or buy a new > case? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The more things change, the > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ more they stay insane. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: signature.asc > signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature > Description: This is a digitally signed message part ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From theixian at hotmail.com Thu Jun 13 21:40:57 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID References: <1024014873.29311.124.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: >SCSI would be nice, but it's expensive I have a DPT PM2044UW SCSI controller with the optional RC4040 SmartCache IV add on module (I believe it has 16MB of ram upgradable to 64) which allows for hardware RAID 0, 1 and 5. I will sell it to ya real cheap :) of course that is only a small part of set up; I don't have any external cables or anything, though and those can be a bit pricey, but it is a nice card and works well in Linux (EATA driver). http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/techspecs.html?sess=no&prodkey=PM20 44UW&cat=%2fProduct%2fPM2044UW From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 13 21:51:46 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <3D094ECF.AB7BA00E@usfamily.net> References: <1024014873.29311.124.camel@3po.dhs.org> <3D094ECF.AB7BA00E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1024022830.29311.168.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 21:02, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Have you considered Fibre Channel? That would be the way I would go if I > wanted to build an array. Its not too expencive either, you can find some > cheap Fibre Channel drives on ebay or a few other places I know of. I've seen cheap FC drives floating around, but I suspect there must be a hidden cost somewhere.. Don't most of those drives use SCA backplanes? That can't be cheap. I don't really know enough about Fibre Channel, but that would definitely be fun. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Heisenberg slept here, I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ think. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020613/86d18dd7/attachment.pgp From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Jun 13 21:52:06 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GUI HTML editor References: <1171.63.164.68.163.1023933500.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020613032213.GA29324@isis.visi.com> <1023970576.22984.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <02061310183200.32594@klostrophobik.homelessIRC.net> <3D08CD8C.1080701@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3D09599C.23EA58B5@dccmn.com> One of my dreams is a HTML/PHP WYSIWYG editor that supports various form constructs. I tried writing an app using HTML/PHP/Postgresql and was forever writing forms. I've thought about modifying something like Amaya or Mozilla, but never had time to go very far into it. Robin Johnson wrote: > > I use Quanta Plus (quanta.sourceforge.net) which really the only full-featured > editor I can find that uses KDE. Also worth mentioning is Screem (screem.org), > another tag-based editor that is similar to BlueFish and Quanta but has PHP > scripting features. If you want a WYSIWYG editor, Mozilla Composer is probably > about the best thing out there, although I believe there are converters for > OpenOffice and AbiWord that let you translate your word processor documents to HTML. > > - Robin > > Chris Dresel wrote: > > I use Bluefish alot, because I like the way it's setup, it's pretty much like > > Arachnophilia for Windows, except it's got tons more features, but no > > CGI/PERL scripting support. > > > > One of the great features I like about it, is the project feature. Where it > > keeps pages you select grouped into projects so you can just pull up one > > project file, instead of pulling up a handfull of different pages. If your a > > person who does pages for lots of different sites, then you'll like it too. > > > > Here's what my screenshot of it looks like, if you care to see it.... > > http://www.homelessirc.net/bluefish.jpg > > > > Chris > > > > On Thursday 13 June 2002 07:16 am, you wrote: > > > >>>On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > >>> > >>>>Is there a gpl GUI HTML editor for Linux? (Like Front page) I searched > >>>>Tucows, but didn't see any descriptions that claimed to be a GUI. > >>> > >>>Doesn't Mozilla have a GUI HTML editor? > >>> > >>>-Tim > >> > >>I've also used Bluefish though not extensively. > >> > >>-Brady > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Jun 13 21:53:40 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID References: <1024014873.29311.124.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <3D095656.B9A44493@dccmn.com> I just put together a new system with a Soyo Dragon Ultra MoBo, which includes a high-point IDE raid chip. I put 2 IBM 40Gb drives on it and configured it for Raid 0+1 (striping and mirroring). Mobo, AMD 1800+, 256Mb PC2700, 2 drives, and a desktop case (I hate towers) for $565 at newegg. So far, it's been working great. The MoBo also has 4 USB slots, 6 channel sound, and built in LAN. I was originally looking at the Dragon Plus, but this just came out and seems to solve many of the complaints about the Plus. Mike Hicks wrote: > > I've been thinking about putting together some sort of RAID system for > my home system, just to give myself a little extra layer of protection. > However, I don't really want to figure out how to fit another two or > three drives into my system. Putting drives outside the box has > problems, though, since IDE cables aren't really meant to go there.. > > Going outside the box probably means using SCSI, FireWire, or USB 2.0. > SCSI would be nice, but it's expensive, and I'm sure that any IDE<->SCSI > bridges probably cost quite a bit. USB scares me a bit, so I've been > looking at what can be done with FireWire. > > Anyway, I guess I'll just outline my thoughts and see if anyone thinks > it's a stupid idea or what.. > > I'm thinking of scrounging up an enclosure of some kind (probably an old > SCSI box), ripping out any extra guts, putting in 3 or 4 IDE drives, and > using FireWire<->IDE bridges to connect them to a FireWire bus. > > Optimistically, I think I could pull it off for about $500, but maybe > I'm just deluding myself.. > > Is this a stupid idea? Should I just do SCSI instead, or buy a new > case? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The more things change, the > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ more they stay insane. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: signature.asc > signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature > Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 13 22:25:45 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <1024022830.29311.168.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: On 13 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > I've seen cheap FC drives floating around, but I suspect there must be > a hidden cost somewhere.. Don't most of those drives use SCA > backplanes? That can't be cheap. > > I don't really know enough about Fibre Channel, but that would > definitely be fun. Controller is expensive. They aren't SCA, they are some sorta interface I haven't actually seen in person.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From aton at skyenet.net Fri Jun 14 03:08:45 2002 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <200206140340.g5E3e9X02774@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200206140748.g5E7mKQ32593@pop.skyenet.net> Too bad you're not interested in putting drives inside of the case. 3Ware makes great cards, they're inexpensive, and do hardware raid 0, 1, 0+1, 5, and jbod. You can typically pick up the a 6410 (32bit, 4 channel card) for $99 + shipping, or a 7450 (64bit 4 channel) for $340. They work great in linux, Win98, and win2K. They also make an 8 channel card that's 64bit, but its a lot more expensive. If you're mainly concerned about redundancy rather than speed, the 6000 series are perfect for the budget and work nicely. And, they are faster than those Promise and High-Point controllers that are on the mainboard - those are basically WinRAIDs (like WinModems) - the driver is what controls the drive access, not the card. Cheers. From nate at refried.org Fri Jun 14 07:58:04 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: References: <1024022830.29311.168.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020614125735.GA2916@refried.org> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:23:11PM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On 13 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I've seen cheap FC drives floating around, but I suspect there must be > > a hidden cost somewhere.. Don't most of those drives use SCA > > backplanes? That can't be cheap. > > > > I don't really know enough about Fibre Channel, but that would > > definitely be fun. > > Controller is expensive. They aren't SCA, they are some sorta interface I > haven't actually seen in person.. :) I've only seen FC drives in rather large enclosures (10+ drives). The cable from the HBA (controller card) to the device is either copper or fibre. I can't imagine any of these pieces are cheap. Nate From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 14 08:20:36 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024060316.19223.37.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 22:23, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On 13 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I've seen cheap FC drives floating around, but I suspect there must be > > a hidden cost somewhere.. Don't most of those drives use SCA > > backplanes? That can't be cheap. [snip] > Controller is expensive. They aren't SCA, they are some sorta interface I > haven't actually seen in person.. :) I've done some looking around. It still appears that most drives use an SCA connector, though it's a 40-pin SCA-2, as opposed to 80-pin SCA(-2?) that SCSI backplanes generally use. Fibre Channel is just a two-wire interface, but since it has a loop topology, you need a transmit and a receive pair on any device. Most FC disks appear to handle dual-loop fibre channel, so they have four pairs, two on each loop. The SCA connector carries power and some other miscellaneous stuff. It'd probably be less common, but most FC disks tend to go into hot-plug arrays, which ends up being a lot less error prone when using a connector like that, since all connections can generally be broken simultaneously. I found a pinout description [http://www.hitachi.com/documents/Storage/opstore/dk319h-18fc,0.pdf (page 28)], and apparently it isn't too complicated to do, as I found a website that seems to be a guy who makes homebuilt FC connectors in his garage ("homebuilt" and "fibre channel" should probably not go in the same sentence ;-) [http://sca40.homelinux.net/products.html] Of course, for connecting between other devices, it looks like there are a couple of different connectors. DB9s are apparently common (it uses the outside four pins for the TX/RX pairs), and there are some HSSDC (don't ask me what that is, just look at the above page). At any rate, if that stuff is any good, you can get connection to 4 drives for $200-250. That seems to make it competitive with the FireWire idea I had, though there's a tradeoff. IDE drives are still cheaper per gigabyte, but getting Fibre Channel would leave a lot more breathing room for I/O bandwidth.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm afraid of Americans / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got a good price on some drives so it was worth the cost. I'm using them on some IBM drives. (Actually Seagate Cheetas). Seem to work ok. There's also an outfit I know of in Shoreview that has about 40 9 gig IBM SCA drives they got 'stuck' with. I bought 4 for $50 ea. They are not a retail outfit though. I got them through a friend who is an employee but if you're interested I think I could hook you up. I'm currently in search of a cheap enclosure solution as I have 6 of these drives all together. -MJ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 14 09:40:13 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <1024060316.19223.37.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1024060316.19223.37.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020614143456.GA20178@wookimus.net> Mike, I'd be interested to hear how your project goes. We're all interested in cheap storage, and when you start throwing in cool phrases like "fiberchannel" and "RAID", ears perk up. Perhaps you could give us a run-down of the final costs for the solution you pick. Perhaps we could even talk you into leading a discussion at one of the TCLUG meetings. ;-) BTW: this is definitely not OT, but I'll leave the subject in-tact for the sake of thread continuity. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020614/92985fad/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 14 10:09:46 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088879BE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I've seen cheap FC drives floating around, but I suspect > there must be a hidden cost somewhere.. Don't most of those > drives use SCA backplanes? > That can't be cheap. There's a company that makes SCA connectors that convert to a standard ethernet cable. You can get a whole fiberchannel setup running over standard ethernet cable at 1Gb/sec. I forgot the name of the company though and I'm too lazy to look for their site right now. Your best bet is to get a good IDE raid card, there are some nice 4 channel cards out there for fairly cheap. ATA 133 drives are cheap, and raided together can actually outperform ultra160 scsi (just look at the new Apple Xserve boxes). A friend of mine has a 4 channel card with 8 120GB ATA133 drives on it, and it works sweet. If you don't have enough room in your current machine, you could get a cheap MB and a big case and just set it up as a fileserver (using Samba, WebDAV, or NFS). If you *need* Gigabit speeds to it, Gigabit ethernet cards are only around $40 each, and you can connect your workstation directly to the fileserver using a crossover cable to avoid having to buy a switch with GigE on it. Jay From doughanson at attbi.com Fri Jun 14 14:34:19 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID Message-ID: <20020614191636.XRNC20219.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Maybe this would work: http://www.promise.com/product/subsys_list_eng.asp -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com "In your cubicle no one can hear you scream" > I've been thinking about putting together some sort of RAID system for > my home system From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Jun 14 16:27:02 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help compiling (configuring) xemacs Message-ID: <20020614203054.GA16388@tsathoggua.mydomain> I wonder if any of you can help me. I'm trying to compile xemacs 21.1.14 on a new machine that runs Mandrake Linux 8.2 (I'm trying to build it by hand because, as far as I can tell, the xemacs that comes as an rpm is defective --- it can't successfully run a package update because the version of efs that is in the binary won't do anonymous ftp right. But that's a different story....). Here's the command line I issue: ./configure --with-ldap --with-xface --with-jpeg --with-tiff --with-xpm --with-png --with-mule=no --site-libraries=/lib --site-runtime-libraries=/lib --prefix=/usr --dynamic=yes i386-Mandrake-linux ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the error I get from configure: *** PANIC *** The C compiler can no longer build working executables. *** PANIC *** Please examine the tail of config.log for runtime errors. *** PANIC *** The most likely reason for this problem is that configure *** PANIC *** links with shared libraries, but those libraries cannot be *** PANIC *** found at run time. *** PANIC *** *** PANIC *** On a Linux system, edit /etc/ld.so.conf and re-run ldconfig. *** PANIC *** On other systems, try telling configure where to find the *** PANIC *** shared libraries using the --site-runtime-libraries option *** PANIC *** *** PANIC *** Another way to shoot yourself in the foot is to specify *** PANIC *** --with-FEATURE when FEATURE is not actually installed *** PANIC *** on your system. Don't do that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tail config.log shows: int main() { dld_init() ; return 0; } configure:12302: gcc -o conftest -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -Xlinker -rpath -Xlinker /lib conftest.c -lcompface -ltiff -lpng -ljpeg -lXpm -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -ltermcap -lcurses -lldap -llber -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltermcap collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 12298 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main(int c,char *v[]){return 0;} ---------------------------------------------------------------------- But I'm stumped about how to fix this. Per the instructions, I changed my /etc/ld.so.conf to the following: /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/qt2/lib /lib ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And here's the termcap library: [rpg@tsathoggua xemacs-21.1.14]$ ls -l /lib/libtermcap* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 13 05:58 /lib/libtermcap.so.2 -> libtermcap.so.2.0.8* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11856 Feb 21 11:14 /lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, you'll see that I tried the --site-runtime-libraries flag. So I just can't for the life of me figure out WHY the blasted compiler can't find the library! any suggestions? Thanks! R From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Jun 14 16:28:18 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING on Thurs. References: <20020612003557.GA29689@sadalbari.slava.net> <33611.198.74.20.75.1023887827.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <3D076551.5E307D4C@ppdonline.com> > >> This Thursday, May 13, 2002, the Twin Cities Linux Users Group will be > >> holding a beermeeting at the downtown Pizza Luc?! May 13th?!?!? I knew I'd been working too hard lately, I thought it was June already. ;-) Ben. From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Jun 14 16:28:44 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall References: <3CEC40C6.17BCA57@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3D08EAFE.982F1E9@ppdonline.com> > I'm am running RedHat 6.2, which used ipchains instead of iptables so I > can't give you any specifics. use the following # Load the NAT module (this pulls in all the others). modprobe iptable_nat # In the NAT table (-t nat), Append a rule (-A) after routing # (POSTROUTING) for all packets going out ppp0 (-o ppp0) which says to # MASQUERADE the connection (-j MASQUERADE). # if you're using an ethernet connection to a dsl or cable modem # use eth0 rather than ppp0 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE # Turn on IP forwarding echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Later, Ben. From linux at bmetzler.org Fri Jun 14 16:49:03 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots Message-ID: <1024091064.7653.1.camel@client10> Hello, As the subject says, I was able to get ahold of some PC100 DIMM's. Both of my computers that support PC100 DIMM's don't have empty DIMM slots anymore, but I have some computers with the older DIMM's in them. I was wondering if I'd be able to put the DIMM's in the older slot's. Thanks, -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Jun 14 17:01:33 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots In-Reply-To: <1024091064.7653.1.camel@client10> Message-ID: For the most part, it'll work. I have PC133 DIMMS in PC66 slots right now. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brent Metzler Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots Hello, As the subject says, I was able to get ahold of some PC100 DIMM's. Both of my computers that support PC100 DIMM's don't have empty DIMM slots anymore, but I have some computers with the older DIMM's in them. I was wondering if I'd be able to put the DIMM's in the older slot's. Thanks, -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 14 17:19:17 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots In-Reply-To: <1024091064.7653.1.camel@client10> References: <1024091064.7653.1.camel@client10> Message-ID: <49947.198.74.20.75.1024092433.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Depending on how the dimms are, newer dimms run at 3.3v and older ones run at 5, there are some PC66 dimms that run at 5v most dimms from the last 3-4 years or so should be 3.3v as to the speed, the faster dimms should work in slower mobos but not vice versa you may want to order the dimms on the mobo so that the fastest and largest go into the first slot, and if at all possible for best performance try and match manufacturor, size and speed -munir From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Jun 14 17:25:04 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots In-Reply-To: <1024091064.7653.1.camel@client10> Message-ID: yes you should be able to use them unless the old dimms are edo. If the machine is PII or above they should be sdram. Colin From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Jun 14 17:25:34 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots Message-ID: Anyone heard of double density memory? I have two PC133 sticks of 256MB SDRAM, one is single sided, one is double sided (chips on both sides). Both are fully recognized in a Socket A MB (ECS K7S5A). The double sided one is fully recognized, and the single sided is only half recognized (128MB of it), in a Socket 7 (Soyo 5EMA+). A denizen of General Nanosystems told me that all the PC133 memory they now sell is double density and may not work in older mainboards. Is this true? Is there more detail to the story? >>> bneigebauer@attbi.com 06/14/02 04:56PM >>> For the most part, it'll work. I have PC133 DIMMS in PC66 slots right now. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brent Metzler Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 DIMM's in 66mhz DIMM slots Hello, As the subject says, I was able to get ahold of some PC100 DIMM's. Both of my computers that support PC100 DIMM's don't have empty DIMM slots anymore, but I have some computers with the older DIMM's in them. I was wondering if I'd be able to put the DIMM's in the older slot's. Thanks, -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Jun 14 21:14:39 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help compiling (configuring) xemacs In-Reply-To: <20020614203054.GA16388@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 03:30:54PM -0500 References: <20020614203054.GA16388@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020614210450.A13916@localhost.localdomain> Maybe add /usr/lib to your ld.so.conf? See if a libtermcap.so lives there. I beleive it's looking for a specific libtermcap.so file or link. Or cheat and make a link: libtermpcap.so -> libterm.so.2.0.8? > -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -ltermcap > -lcurses -lldap -llber -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o 1>&5 > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltermcap > And here's the termcap library: > > [rpg@tsathoggua xemacs-21.1.14]$ ls -l /lib/libtermcap* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 13 05:58 /lib/libtermcap.so.2 -> > libtermcap.so.2.0.8* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11856 Feb 21 11:14 /lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8* From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Jun 15 00:04:06 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help compiling (configuring) xemacs In-Reply-To: <20020614210450.A13916@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020614203054.GA16388@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020614210450.A13916@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020615032958.GA18118@tsathoggua.mydomain> On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 09:04:50PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > Maybe add /usr/lib to your ld.so.conf? See if a libtermcap.so lives > there. I beleive it's looking for a specific libtermcap.so file or > link. Or cheat and make a link: libtermpcap.so -> libterm.so.2.0.8? Thanks. But I've checked and the only libtermcap I have is in /lib. There's no libtermcap in /usr/lib. And actually, I just looked, and while I do have a libtermcap.so.2.0.8, linked from libtermcap.so.2, I don't have a libterm at all... Aha! Real time update. I made a link from libtermcap.so -> libtermcap.so.2 and that made it work! Cool! But this makes me worried --- is there something about linux so files that this configure script doesn't get? Why didn't it find the .2 version? Anyone know? From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Jun 15 02:17:06 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088879BE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: OK, I work in storage solutions, so this is right up my alley. I'll try to address several things that have been stated in this thread. FC drives do have a "SCA" connector, but it is not 80 pin like LVD's SCA connect, it is a completely different connector, so those adapters will not work. The Company that Jay mentioned but couldn't remember is Cinonic Systems. www.cinonic.com I have not actually used their products, but I'm rather tempted. Yes, there ARE cheap FC drives floating around, and yes there is a catch (but it's not really that bad.) Catch #1: finding a cheap FC controller. it takes patience, but they're out there if you have good timing. Catch #2: the cheap ones are USUALLY 9 gig drives (remember you can plug in a virtually unlimited amount of drives to a FC controller) and they are often 7200 rpm and old style (read slower access time than newer drives) They are also 1 gigabit fibre. Most companies with SAN's are upgrading to 2 gigabit fibre, so to them the 1 gigabit drives are undesirable. So, all in all, I think that if you're looking to make a RAID for yourself and want it not to be inside your computer case, fibre is a GOOD option, you just have to have a little bit of patience, and maybe a little ebay luck. I hope I was helpful. - Kremer From clarson at iaxs.net Sat Jun 15 11:26:03 2002 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using PPPd Message-ID: <200206151626.g5FGQcW00148@minerva.iaxs.net> Hi everybody, Question #1 Got as far as starting pppd and then date and time. Where do I go from there? TIA Chet From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sat Jun 15 14:05:49 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using PPPd In-Reply-To: <200206151626.g5FGQcW00148@minerva.iaxs.net>; from clarson@iaxs.net on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:27:10AM -0500 References: <200206151626.g5FGQcW00148@minerva.iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20020615135421.A15339@localhost.localdomain> Where do you want to go from there? (how can you be in two places at once when you are nowhere at all?) google "howto pppd" man pppd Learn how to turn on pppd logging and look at the log traces. man date man time (what are you asking exactly?) On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:27:10AM -0500, Chester Larson wrote: > Hi everybody, > Question #1 Got as far as starting pppd and then date and time. Where do I > go from there? > TIA Chet From clarson at iaxs.net Sat Jun 15 16:08:53 2002 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using PPPd Message-ID: <200206152054.g5FKshW13671@minerva.iaxs.net> Sorry, I am such an ass. What I am trying to do is get my email from my ISP. Have RH 7.0 on box. This is a dual box. I did not set up box. Have RH 7.1 reference book Have Linux Complete Reference 4th Ed. Chet ---------- > From: Karl Bongers > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Using PPPd > Date: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:54 PM > > Where do you want to go from there? > (how can you be in two places at once when you are nowhere at all?) > google "howto pppd" > man pppd > Learn how to turn on pppd logging and look at the log traces. > man date > man time > (what are you asking exactly?) > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:27:10AM -0500, Chester Larson wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > Question #1 Got as far as starting pppd and then date and time. Where do I > > go from there? > > TIA Chet > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jun 15 21:50:45 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using PPPd In-Reply-To: <200206152054.g5FKshW13671@minerva.iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Chester Larson wrote: > Sorry, I am such an ass. What I am trying to do is get my email from my > ISP. just your email? i presume that you want to dial-up first (why else would you mention pppd?) for an easy way to configure pppd you can use kppp, the pppd configuration tool that comes with kde (you do not have to be running kde to use it though) as for the email, use fetchmail and you can configure that using fetchmailconf, -munir From rayx0063 at attbi.com Sat Jun 15 23:50:10 2002 From: rayx0063 at attbi.com (Rodney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: OK here is the problem. I'm tring to install MySQL with MyODBC driver. I'm on a RH6.2 box and it's not going well and I'm getting into things that I have know idea what I'm doing. Any help would be good. MySQL installed fine. (MySQL-3.23.51-1.i386.rpm) MsSQLClient installed fine (MySQL-client-3.23.51-1.i386.rpm) MyODBC needs a new libc6 (MyODBC-2.50.39-1.i386.rpm) Error error: failed dependencies: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by MyODBC-2.50.39-1 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by MyODBC-2.50.39-1 Downloaded glibc-2.2.90-11.i386.rpm glibc-common-2.2.90-11.i386.rpm won't Install .... says I need error: failed dependencies: rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by glibc-common-2.2.90-11 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 is needed by glibc-common-2.2.90-11 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 is needed by glibc-common-2.2.90-11 glibc < 2.2.90 conflicts with glibc-common-2.2.90-11 I have no idea what to do with this..??? From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jun 16 08:50:18 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Rodney wrote: > I have no idea what to do with this..??? get a later version of redhat, glibc is not something that easy to upgrade -munir From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jun 16 09:44:17 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020616143816.GA21633@rtfm.sistina.com> On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:37:02PM -0500, Rodney wrote: >OK here is the problem. I'm tring to install MySQL with MyODBC driver. I'm >on a RH6.2 box and it's not going well and I'm getting into things that I >have know idea what I'm doing. Any help would be good. grab src rpms of the packages you need to install and run "rpm --rebuild" on them. I'd suggest you upgrade the box though. > > >MySQL installed fine. (MySQL-3.23.51-1.i386.rpm) >MsSQLClient installed fine (MySQL-client-3.23.51-1.i386.rpm) >MyODBC needs a new libc6 (MyODBC-2.50.39-1.i386.rpm) > Error error: failed dependencies: > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by MyODBC-2.50.39-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by MyODBC-2.50.39-1 > >Downloaded glibc-2.2.90-11.i386.rpm > glibc-common-2.2.90-11.i386.rpm > >won't Install .... says I need >error: failed dependencies: > rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by >glibc-common-2.2.90-11 > rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 is needed by >glibc-common-2.2.90-11 > rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 is needed by >glibc-common-2.2.90-11 > glibc < 2.2.90 conflicts with glibc-common-2.2.90-11 > >I have no idea what to do with this..??? > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 16 16:39:19 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 04:07:39PM -0500 References: <20020616152717.B10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020616163824.C10820@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 04:07:39PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > that was very insightfull of you poptix, Thank you, thank you.. no applause please.. > though i think on the second point you should all some more emphesis and > an example or two I'll try harder next time =/ > otherwise excellent work, keep it up!!! =) > -munir -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 09:01:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from rayx0063@attbi.com on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:37:02PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> Quoting Rodney (rayx0063@attbi.com): > OK here is the problem. I'm tring to install MySQL with MyODBC driver. I'm > on a RH6.2 box and it's not going well and I'm getting into things that I > have know idea what I'm doing. Any help would be good. Welcome to RPM dependancy hell. I'd rebuild everything from source, that is the "easiest" fix. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 09:14:21 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? Message-ID: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> I got my first email signed with an expired key today. Sent a smart little quip back to author about his key being expired. Was feeling might proud of myself, until I checked -MY- key. 2001-01-15 [expires: 2002-01-15] DOH! A very quick google search did not show me any info on what you do when your key is expired. Anyone have some links? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Jun 17 09:26:22 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> I thought this article on RPM problems well done. http://www.distrowatch.com/article-rpm.php Bob (another one) Bob Tanner wrote: > > Welcome to RPM dependancy hell. > > I'd rebuild everything from source, that is the "easiest" fix. From florin at iucha.net Mon Jun 17 09:26:41 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? In-Reply-To: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> References: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020617142358.GA1925@iucha.net> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 08:51:27AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > A very quick google search did not show me any info on what you do when your key > is expired. ... create a new one? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020617/adffb18e/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 09:44:39 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? In-Reply-To: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 08:51:27AM -0500 References: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020617092805.D1447@real-time.com> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 08:51:27AM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > I got my first email signed with an expired key today. Sent a smart little quip > back to author about his key being expired. > > Was feeling might proud of myself, until I checked -MY- key. > > 2001-01-15 [expires: 2002-01-15] > > DOH! > > A very quick google search did not show me any info on what you do when your key > is expired. If you're using GnuPG I believe you can just edit your expire time: gpg --edit-key expire -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can edit the expire time BEFORE your key expires, which is interpreted to be a safe operation by others, they can assume that the original author is still in control of the key. I think your SOL with that key, though. Time for a new one. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020617/d9476387/attachment.pgp From mike at jentges.net Mon Jun 17 11:24:33 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID References: Message-ID: <002c01c21619$010fc780$0696c7c7@victim> > OK, I work in storage solutions, so this is right up my alley. I'll try > to address several things that have been stated in this thread. > FC drives do have a "SCA" connector, but it is not 80 pin like LVD's SCA > connect, it is a completely different connector, so those adapters will > not work. Ok, to be clear these are they type you'd use in a hot-swap drive cage. In fact, thats what they're for. Are we talking about the same thing? -mj > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Jun 17 11:41:32 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of IP addresses, Loopback, and firewalls Message-ID: <3D0E0ED4.2090506@sodatrain.com> Hey gang- Ive got a network card, and one IP on it using gSheild as my firewall. Ive got a dozen (could be a hunderd or two in the future) other IP's that i want to be routable (they are all public ip's). I want to continue to use gShield. A friend once mentioned putting all the other IP's on the loopback IF. This made all the other IP's world routable, and all the firewalling was done on the eth0. Does any of this make sense? IF not, what is the best way to get lots of IP's on a single NIC, with easy firewalling? duncan From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Jun 17 11:45:34 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com>; from bgilbertson@stonel.com on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 09:18:14AM -0500 References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> My old laptop(200Mhz/48M ram) just ran into RPM dependancy hell in my quest to upgrade the kernel(and a few other things). It has RH6.0. But, as I am learning, Linux fans always need to look at it as a glass half-full and not half-empty. This is the perfect opportunity to try out Debian! > > > > Welcome to RPM dependancy hell. > > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 17 12:55:23 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Karl Bongers said: > My old laptop(200Mhz/48M ram) just ran into RPM dependancy hell > in my quest to upgrade the kernel(and a few other things). > It has RH6.0. > > But, as I am learning, Linux fans always need to look at it as > a glass half-full and not half-empty. This is the perfect opportunity > to try out Debian! hissss!!! stay away from this poor fellow beelzebub!! for he is not for you /me hands the poor soul a copy of RedHat 7.2 to guide his soul -munir From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jun 17 12:56:25 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of IP addresses, Loopback, and firewalls In-Reply-To: <3D0E0ED4.2090506@sodatrain.com> References: <3D0E0ED4.2090506@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20020617170243.GB4313@rtfm.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:31:16AM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: >Hey gang- > >Ive got a network card, and one IP on it using gSheild as my firewall. So your firewall has only one network card init? > >Ive got a dozen (could be a hunderd or two in the future) other IP's >that i want to be routable (they are all public ip's). > >I want to continue to use gShield. > >A friend once mentioned putting all the other IP's on the loopback IF. >This made all the other IP's world routable, and all the firewalling was >done on the eth0. >Does any of this make sense? IF not, what is the best way to get lots of >IP's on a single NIC, with easy firewalling? 2 choices. 1.) IP Aliases and some clever iptables rules. 2.) http://bridge.sourceforge.net/ (linux bridge stuff) http://openlysecure.org/openbsd/how-to/invisible_firewall.html (OpenBSD filtering bridge) > >duncan > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I only voted once. I can't speak for anyone else. Jima From kremer at ringworld.org Mon Jun 17 14:19:49 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Cheap RAID In-Reply-To: <002c01c21619$010fc780$0696c7c7@victim> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Mike Jentges wrote: > Ok, to be clear these are they type you'd use in a hot-swap drive cage. In > fact, thats what they're for. Are we talking about the same thing? Yes, that is correct. I just wouldn't want you to go out and buy an 80 pin SCA converter and then find out it's a different type of connector on the FC drive. - kremer From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 17 15:03:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Dan Drake said: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 at 12:33PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >> > This is the perfect opportunity to try out Debian! >> >> /me hands the poor soul a copy of RedHat 7.2 to guide his soul > > !!! > > /me elbows munir out of the way, with Debian woody CDs for the very > intelligent, not-poor-at-all soul. SEE! SEE! i am shocked!!! shocked i tell ya! but i should have known because only a debianite would repay kindness with bodily harm -munir From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 17 15:29:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring Message-ID: I finally started trying to hook my two Linux servers up to my two APC Back-ups UPSs last night (one's a 600, one's a 650). I had monitoring and shutdown working back in the old house with the old UPS and a different version of Linux. I'd forgotten how annoying the cabling issues are. Ick. And I don't want to pay $40 each for cables, and I don't *especially* want to run their Powerchute software, either. Note that my two UPSs use "stupid" communications protocol, not "smart". There's actually a diagram in the Back-ups 600 manual showing what each connection on the 9-pin port is (I believe from reading how-tos and things that they 600 and 650 are about the same in this; the 650 manual doesn't actually give a diagram, though). The diagram actually looks like it would be better off with a pull-up resistor on the line it uses to signal line power fail (the 600 manual, at least, describes that line and two others as open-collector outputs). (Note: It may have sounded like I understand those terms; I don't really. I'm a *software* person. I took a computer instrument interfacing course once in college, but raw transistors are just weird; I kinda jumped from relays to digital logic.) I'm trying to use the "powerd" in the RedHat rpm (2.0.2-1). I'm using motherboard serial port B, which is /dev/ttyS1 I'm really pretty sure. (I've got a modem on /dev/ttyS0, and that works; and I've been using a breakout box, and changing things on /dev/ttyS1 with minicom definitely changes the lights on the breakout box). Using the detectups in that package (what a wonderful idea!), I can't get it to notice the existence of the UPS. I've tried configuring several of the suggested cables from various how-tos using my breakout box. I've also tried simply jumpering various pins that detectups says it monitors to ground, and to a hot line. Nothing I've done has gotten detectups to so much as twitch a finger. Both my motherboard and my UPS have 9-pin connectors. I'm using two straight-through 9 to 9 cables (m to f, too), two 9-to-25 adapters of suitable gender, and my breakout box which is 25 pin on both ends. I mention this in case it's somehow relevant. I'm being careful to read the cable instructions and use the 25-pin pin number not the 9 when I'm jumpering at the breakout box. Anybody have a clue they could spare? I really want to have auto-shutdown on power fail. The more disk and databases there are on these systems, the more I want it. (Though it does help that most of it's EXT3 filesystems now.) And we've had half a dozen power failures, at least three long enough to actually require a shutdown, already this year. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From nate at refried.org Mon Jun 17 16:08:24 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> Good UPS software is a hard thing to find. I've used apcupsd[1] quite a bit. As far as being able to talk with the UPS with any cable, this is my choice. I've used it under Linux and OpenBSD listening to a BackUPS Pro series using smart signalling over the 0095 cable. Another good piece of UPS software seems to be NUTS[2]. I haven't used it much in production because of cabling issues, but it looked promising a few years ago. Nate [1]. http://www.apcupsd.com/ [2]. http://www.exploits.org/nut/ From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 17 16:17:57 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Jun 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I finally started trying to hook my two Linux servers up to my two APC > Back-ups UPSs last night (one's a 600, one's a 650). I had monitoring > and shutdown working back in the old house with the old UPS and a > different version of Linux. I'd forgotten how annoying the cabling > issues are. Ick. And I don't want to pay $40 each for cables, and I > don't *especially* want to run their Powerchute software, either. > > Note that my two UPSs use "stupid" communications protocol, not > "smart". There's actually a diagram in the Back-ups 600 manual > showing what each connection on the 9-pin port is (I believe from > reading how-tos and things that they 600 and 650 are about the same in > this; the 650 manual doesn't actually give a diagram, though). I can't vouch for the serial cable wiring, but you might want the package apcupsd: --- snip --- Packager : Kern Sibbald URL : http://www.sibbald.com/apcupsd/ Summary : APC UPS Power Control Daemon for Linux Description : Apcupsd can be used for controlling most APC UPSes. During a power failure, apcupsd will inform the users about the power failure and that a shutdown may occur. If power is not restored, a system shutdown will follow when the battery is exausted, a timeout (seconds) expires, or the battery runtime expires based on internal APC calculations determined by power consumption rates. If the power is restored before one of the above shutdown conditions is met, apcupsd will inform users about this fact. Some features depend on what UPS model you have (simple or smart). --- snip --- I can say for sure that it's talking to my UPS: --- snip --- Broadcast message from root Mon Jun 17 15:26:17 2002... Power failure on UPS APC1400. Running on batteries. Broadcast message from root Mon Jun 17 15:29:55 2002... Power has returned on UPS APC1400... --- snip --- (Yes, today. Amazing coincidence. We were just rewiring the server room.) I can't tell you for sure if the shutdown feature works; we've yet to have an outage that long here (and it's a production environment, so no testing...maybe on the next one?). Hope that provides some sort of insight. Jima From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 17 16:38:02 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is this "stupid" communications really some sort of on/off power good/power bad idea? I've seen people rig this kind of stuff up to the par. port. Its easy to this strictly digital/binary stuff with the par. port. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:24 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring I finally started trying to hook my two Linux servers up to my two APC Back-ups UPSs last night (one's a 600, one's a 650). I had monitoring and shutdown working back in the old house with the old UPS and a different version of Linux. I'd forgotten how annoying the cabling issues are. Ick. And I don't want to pay $40 each for cables, and I don't *especially* want to run their Powerchute software, either. Note that my two UPSs use "stupid" communications protocol, not "smart". There's actually a diagram in the Back-ups 600 manual showing what each connection on the 9-pin port is (I believe from reading how-tos and things that they 600 and 650 are about the same in this; the 650 manual doesn't actually give a diagram, though). The diagram actually looks like it would be better off with a pull-up resistor on the line it uses to signal line power fail (the 600 manual, at least, describes that line and two others as open-collector outputs). (Note: It may have sounded like I understand those terms; I don't really. I'm a *software* person. I took a computer instrument interfacing course once in college, but raw transistors are just weird; I kinda jumped from relays to digital logic.) I'm trying to use the "powerd" in the RedHat rpm (2.0.2-1). I'm using motherboard serial port B, which is /dev/ttyS1 I'm really pretty sure. (I've got a modem on /dev/ttyS0, and that works; and I've been using a breakout box, and changing things on /dev/ttyS1 with minicom definitely changes the lights on the breakout box). Using the detectups in that package (what a wonderful idea!), I can't get it to notice the existence of the UPS. I've tried configuring several of the suggested cables from various how-tos using my breakout box. I've also tried simply jumpering various pins that detectups says it monitors to ground, and to a hot line. Nothing I've done has gotten detectups to so much as twitch a finger. Both my motherboard and my UPS have 9-pin connectors. I'm using two straight-through 9 to 9 cables (m to f, too), two 9-to-25 adapters of suitable gender, and my breakout box which is 25 pin on both ends. I mention this in case it's somehow relevant. I'm being careful to read the cable instructions and use the 25-pin pin number not the 9 when I'm jumpering at the breakout box. Anybody have a clue they could spare? I really want to have auto-shutdown on power fail. The more disk and databases there are on these systems, the more I want it. (Though it does help that most of it's EXT3 filesystems now.) And we've had half a dozen power failures, at least three long enough to actually require a shutdown, already this year. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 17:05:26 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? -> Revoke? In-Reply-To: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 08:51:27AM -0500 References: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020617164227.M23887@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > A very quick google search did not show me any info on what you do when your > key is expired. Is an expired key a revoked key? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Jun 17 17:14:48 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:53:27PM -0500 References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> My main objective is to try and avoid software bloat. The laptop is a P200/48Mram/6G harddrive. I fear if I load RH7.2, the poor thing will just grind itself into oblivion swapping desperately to try and shake the almighty software bloat beast. And I will have 500MB left from my 6G drive to play with :(. So I'd like to load an older distro and then do selective upgrades, trying to avoid too much GUI bloat that cloggs the arteries. Not sure if Debian is the solution, but its worth a look. On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:53:27PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Dan Drake said: > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 at 12:33PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > >> > This is the perfect opportunity to try out Debian! > >> > >> /me hands the poor soul a copy of RedHat 7.2 to guide his soul > > > > !!! > > > > /me elbows munir out of the way, with Debian woody CDs for the very > > intelligent, not-poor-at-all soul. > > SEE! SEE! i am shocked!!! shocked i tell ya! but i should have known > because only a debianite would repay kindness with bodily harm > -munir > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Jun 17 17:27:02 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, what have we got here? Message-ID: <200206171714.53289.peter-clark@bethel.edu> From a recent /. discussion, I discovered this rather interesting (and relevant) link: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/arule/1230/3200.html. "Must" is a pretty strong word--would any budding business lawyers care to comment? :Peter From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Mon Jun 17 17:34:46 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1024353914.2809.257.camel@yafa> > My main objective is to try and avoid software bloat. > The laptop is a P200/48Mram/6G harddrive. > I fear if I load RH7.2, the poor thing will just grind itself > into oblivion swapping desperately to try and shake the almighty > software bloat beast. And I will have 500MB left from my 6G drive > to play with :(. > > So I'd like to load an older distro and then do selective upgrades, > trying to avoid too much GUI bloat that cloggs the arteries. > Not sure if Debian is the solution, but its worth a look. I've installed RH 7.2 on a P200/64Mb/2Gb HDD without a hitch. A 'Workstation' install only takes about 1.2. Less if you don't install KDE, and stick with GNOME. Even less if you don't use either and use WindowMaker. I'm running a workstation install of RH 7.2 with KDE 2.2.2 on the P200 without problems. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From nate at refried.org Mon Jun 17 17:38:12 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020617223330.GB13442@refried.org> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 04:58:37PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > So I'd like to load an older distro and then do selective upgrades, > trying to avoid too much GUI bloat that cloggs the arteries. > Not sure if Debian is the solution, but its worth a look. Debian has a nice tool called deborphan that helps you determine which libraries and other packages you don't really need. Package: deborphan Description: Find orphaned libraries. deborphan finds "orphaned" packages on your system. It determines which packages have no other packages depending on their installation, and shows you a list of these packages. It is most useful when finding libraries, but it can be used on packages in all sections. Nate From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 17 17:46:26 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020617084719.A10562@real-time.com> <3D0DEFA6.3070502@stonel.com> <20020617105623.A24864@localhost.localdomain> <48551.198.74.20.78.1024335192.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617181610.GA28801@lemongecko.org> <42493.198.74.20.73.1024343607.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020617165837.A25556@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020617223153.GD17908@wookimus.net> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 04:58:37PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > My main objective is to try and avoid software bloat. ...[snip]... > So I'd like to load an older distro and then do selective upgrades, > trying to avoid too much GUI bloat that cloggs the arteries. Not sure > if Debian is the solution, but its worth a look. Certainly worth a try. I know my typical installation proceedure is to install the base system, between 40 and 60 megs, and then quit out of dselect. I then install things individually. This does two things for you: 1) You learn by necessity what is needed and what is not needed on your system, 2) You become comfortable using a non-graphical interface for installing software. apt is a wonderful tool. I always use "apt-get install -u package" so I can see what additional packages are needed to install the target package. Good luck! (The woody installation works well, BTW.) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Might want to give that a try, if you want to slim it down a bit. http://www.slackware.com. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Karl Bongers wrote: > My main objective is to try and avoid software bloat. > The laptop is a P200/48Mram/6G harddrive. > I fear if I load RH7.2, the poor thing will just grind itself > into oblivion swapping desperately to try and shake the almighty > software bloat beast. And I will have 500MB left from my 6G drive > to play with :(. > > So I'd like to load an older distro and then do selective upgrades, > trying to avoid too much GUI bloat that cloggs the arteries. > Not sure if Debian is the solution, but its worth a look. > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:53:27PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Dan Drake said: > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 at 12:33PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > > >> > This is the perfect opportunity to try out Debian! > > >> > > >> /me hands the poor soul a copy of RedHat 7.2 to guide his soul > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > /me elbows munir out of the way, with Debian woody CDs for the very > > > intelligent, not-poor-at-all soul. > > > > SEE! SEE! i am shocked!!! shocked i tell ya! but i should have known > > because only a debianite would repay kindness with bodily harm > > -munir > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 17 17:49:45 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> References: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> Message-ID: nate@refried.org writes: > Good UPS software is a hard thing to find. I've used apcupsd[1] quite a > bit. As far as being able to talk with the UPS with any cable, this is > my choice. I've used it under Linux and OpenBSD listening to a BackUPS > Pro series using smart signalling over the 0095 cable. > > Another good piece of UPS software seems to be NUTS[2]. I haven't used > it much in production because of cabling issues, but it looked promising > a few years ago. > > Nate > > [1]. http://www.apcupsd.com/ > [2]. http://www.exploits.org/nut/ This looks very hopeful. apcupsd is *very* specific about what cable *it* wants to use to talk to my particular UPS (It seems to be by lines rather than individual products, but that makes sense). And it clearly has some activity in the devloper community, which is always good :-). So I gotta go buy a resistor and give this a try! Nut only refers to the official commercial cables from APC, which they don't document. If I have problems with features or something in apcupsd (which looks unlikely) I may try the cable I guy with nut to see what happens. And I hadn't found either of these particular products in my googles; I found plenty of others, mostly stuff that was pretty old and not updated. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 17 17:50:15 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? -> Revoke? In-Reply-To: <20020617164227.M23887@real-time.com> References: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> <20020617164227.M23887@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020617222802.GC17908@wookimus.net> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 04:42:27PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > > > A very quick google search did not show me any info on what you do when your > > key is expired. > > Is an expired key a revoked key? I would consider it such, and it may not be necessary to truely revoke the key. I would certainly use the expired key to sign your new one. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's actually a diagram in the Back-ups 600 manual > showing what each connection on the 9-pin port is (I believe from > reading how-tos and things that they 600 and 650 are about the same in > this; the 650 manual doesn't actually give a diagram, though). > > The diagram actually looks like it would be better off with a pull-up > resistor on the line it uses to signal line power fail (the 600 > manual, at least, describes that line and two others as open-collector > outputs). It seems like apples and oranges here. Sounds like the ups's are discrete type outputs (open collector) designed to run an external alarm, and you want to hook it to a serial port. Won't work. Some ups's are switchable between serial and discrete (stupid) outputs. Or maybe some pins are for serial and others are alarm outputs. Best ups did this for a while. If you can set it for serial try a null modem adapter or cable. John From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 17 18:27:02 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale In-Reply-To: <20020617223153.GD17908@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I don't know if this is forbidden on this list, but: I have the following items for sale: Cisco 400 Series 12 port 10/100 1U HUB (Used, with mounting brackets) Enlight ATX case + PS (some wear, but PS is good) Plaintree WaveSwitch 100 16 Port 10mbps Switch, 3u rackmount. Manageable, with 10/100 card. (Used and ancient) Compact Flash <-> IDE Adapter/Converter. You can boot linux off a flash card! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 18:54:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expired gpg keys? In-Reply-To: <20020617151629.GB17908@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:16:29AM -0500 References: <20020617085127.B10562@real-time.com> <20020617151629.GB17908@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020617163325.L23887@real-time.com> Quoting Chad Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > IIRC, you create a new one. Basically, once the expire time has passed, > you cannot be certain that the original author has control of the key. > You can edit the expire time BEFORE your key expires, which is > interpreted to be a safe operation by others, they can assume that the > original author is still in control of the key. > > I think your SOL with that key, though. Time for a new one. I think gpg PREVENTS you from changing the expire once the key is expired. $ gpg --edit-key tanner@real-time.com pub 1024D/93D97DA3 created: 2001-01-15 expires: 2002-01-15 trust: -/e sub 2048g/DB44054A created: 2001-01-15 expires: 2002-01-15 Command> help quit quit this menu save save and quit help show this help fpr show fingerprint list list key and user IDs uid select user ID N key select secondary key N check list signatures sign sign the key lsign sign the key locally nrsign sign the key non-revocably nrlsign sign the key locally and non-revocably deluid delete user ID delkey delete a secondary key delsig delete signatures pref list preferences (expert) showpref list preferences (verbose) trust change the ownertrust revsig revoke signatures disable disable a key enable enable a key showphoto show photo ID -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 17 19:05:03 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Expiration of Keys Message-ID: <20020617223602.GE17908@wookimus.net> An excerpt from the GNU Privacy Guide[1]: A key's expiration time is associated with the key's self-signature. The expiration time is updated by deleting the old self-signature and adding a new self-signature. Since correspondents will not have deleted the old self-signature, they will see an additional self-signature on the key when they update their copy of your key. The latest self-signature takes precedence, however, so all correspondents will unambiguously know the expiration times of your keys. With that in mind, you could probably re-sign the key with a new expiration date. I'm not sure what "proper etiquette" is, but it seems that doing so should be sufficient. 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I think I'd go with Debian. I tried to do the "minimal" install from a CD, and then upgrade to the lastest versions before, and haven't had too much success with rpm based systems. The dependency checking seems pretty miserable. And for those using Ximian, Ximian seems to expect "standard" install, or else whines about missing packages that it can't install. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Jun 17 21:03:15 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome 2.0 upgrade Message-ID: <1024364751.2909.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Has anyone here tried the Gnome 2.0 release candidate yet? Just wondering how smooth the upgrade path is. I'm running 1.4 on Mandrake 8.1, and I would hate to break anything. But I am burning to try it out, and see how the anti-aliased fonts look. I've got them working right now in Mozilla and Galeon, but not in Evolution. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020617/771405a2/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 17 21:23:56 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <3D0E527E.9020004@krwc1360.com> References: <3D0E527E.9020004@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: John Goerg writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Note that my two UPSs use "stupid" communications protocol, not > > "smart". There's actually a diagram in the Back-ups 600 manual > > showing what each connection on the 9-pin port is (I believe from > > reading how-tos and things that they 600 and 650 are about the same in > > this; the 650 manual doesn't actually give a diagram, though). > > The diagram actually looks like it would be better off with a pull-up > > resistor on the line it uses to signal line power fail (the 600 > > manual, at least, describes that line and two others as open-collector > > outputs). > > It seems like apples and oranges here. Sounds like the ups's are > discrete type outputs (open collector) designed to run an external > alarm, and you want to hook it to a serial port. Won't work. Some > ups's are switchable between serial and discrete (stupid) outputs. > Or maybe some pins are for serial and others are alarm outputs. Best > ups did this for a while. If you can set it for serial try a null > modem adapter or cable. No, the normal way to monitor the discrete ouput (stupid) UPSs has always been through a serial port (but not with a standard serial cable). There are a bunch of lines you can directly monitor and control on a serial port -- DCD, DTR, DSR, CTS, RI, stuff like that. None of my UPSs are new enough to use actual serial communications. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 17 21:24:20 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> References: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> Message-ID: nate@refried.org writes: > Good UPS software is a hard thing to find. I've used apcupsd[1] quite a > bit. As far as being able to talk with the UPS with any cable, this is > my choice. I've used it under Linux and OpenBSD listening to a BackUPS > Pro series using smart signalling over the 0095 cable. I'm going NUTS over trying to get apcupsd working :-(. I think I've got a valid cable. I can see on the breakout box how various lines change state when the UPS changes state. But none of that seems to make any difference to apcupsd (nothing gets logged, no shutdown is scheduled, etc.). apctest never reports anything changing (but there's no man page, and it never says what you're *supposed* to see when you run the tests...) I don't *really* think it's a bad serial port, and I do see changes on the breakout box in response to changes on the system serial port side (so at least I'm in no doubt that I'm manipulating the serial port I'm monitoring). Bah, humbug. This shouldn't be this hard to do, now that I'm down to a package that specifically supports my class of UPS, gives a very specific cable diagram, comes in a redhat RPM, etc. There shouldn't be that much room for me to get it wrong. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Jun 17 21:34:43 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring References: <20020617210518.GA13442@refried.org> Message-ID: <00a001c2166e$a0f7c040$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> > > This looks very hopeful. apcupsd is *very* specific about what cable > *it* wants to use to talk to my particular UPS (It seems to be by > lines rather than individual products, but that makes sense). And > it clearly has some activity in the devloper community, which is > always good :-). So I gotta go buy a resistor and give this a try! > > Nut only refers to the official commercial cables from APC, which they > don't document. If I have problems with features or something in > apcupsd (which looks unlikely) I may try the cable I guy with nut to > see what happens. > > And I hadn't found either of these particular products in my googles; > I found plenty of others, mostly stuff that was pretty old and not > updated. If you look around the Nut pages you will find a link to build a cable to work with the APC Backups series of units. I'm using the software with an APC smartups and a Upsonic PC might (contact closure) ups. The cable for the Smartups it a self built smart cable and the Upsonic has a custom built cable for the contact closure. One of the other nice things about Nut is that Netsaint and Nagios can monitor it for you. Joseph Key From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Jun 17 22:28:06 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, what have we got here? In-Reply-To: <200206171714.53289.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 05:14:53PM -0500 References: <200206171714.53289.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020617221724.A9189@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 05:14:53PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > From a recent /. discussion, I discovered this rather interesting (and > relevant) link: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/arule/1230/3200.html. > "Must" is a pretty strong word--would any budding business lawyers care to > comment? > :Peter IANAL (B or otherwise), but that is music to my ears. :-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From john at krwc1360.com Mon Jun 17 22:36:42 2002 From: john at krwc1360.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring Message-ID: <3D0EA856.8090905@krwc1360.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >No, the normal way to monitor the discrete ouput (stupid) UPSs has >always been through a serial port (but not with a standard serial >cable). There are a bunch of lines you can directly monitor and >control on a serial port -- DCD, DTR, DSR, CTS, RI, stuff like that. Yes, that works too, I just didn't know you were hardware hacking that much.:) David Dyer-Bennet also wrote: >I think I've got a valid cable. I can see on the breakout box how >various lines change state when the UPS changes state. OK, sounds like you got your cabling under control, back to the software. ( Something I don't know anything about!) Good Luck. John From theixian at hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 22:44:02 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: >I've had Slackware 8 running successfully on a P133/32mb RAM/1.2gb hard >drive (with usable GNOME even, though I ditched it for AfterStep since >that runs nicely on just about anything). Might want to give that a try, >if you want to slim it down a bit. > I have the same setup on a fujitsu P133/16mb ram/2gb hd. Only I am running windowmaker cause gnome is just a bit too slow. --- Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shattner, Airplane II --- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 17 23:18:29 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <3D0EA856.8090905@krwc1360.com> References: <3D0EA856.8090905@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: John Goerg writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >No, the normal way to monitor the discrete ouput (stupid) UPSs has > >always been through a serial port (but not with a standard serial > >cable). There are a bunch of lines you can directly monitor and > >control on a serial port -- DCD, DTR, DSR, CTS, RI, stuff like that. > > Yes, that works too, I just didn't know you were hardware hacking that > much.:) Well, cable building anyway. I don't hack with active components; relays are right out at the limit of my competence. (Okay, I did once optimize some gate sequences in a semi-custom VLSI chip to shave a nanosecond or something off the worst-case throughput time, but that was my *mathematician* hat; I don't have a hardware designer hat.) > David Dyer-Bennet also wrote: > >I think I've got a valid cable. I can see on the breakout box how > >various lines change state when the UPS changes state. > > OK, sounds like you got your cabling under control, back to the > software. ( Something I don't know anything about!) Good Luck. I've had enough different cable designs fail to tickle enough different software that I have to verify that the port works (swap the modem from the other port). And after that I'm going to have to write my own program to monitor the signal line state and report changes; everything I've tried is comlex enough that I can't be sure I'm using it right. (Software is something I *do* know something about.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jun 17 23:54:02 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! So here's the status: - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and doesn't get back any offers If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 00:55:16 2002 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <200206180043.25296.rahrenstorff@yahoo.com> On Monday 17 June 2002 11:42 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After > much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > So here's the status: > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? > > Thanks. What location? I have no troubles in Maple Grove on AT&T cable modem. From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 18 02:08:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <3D0EA856.8090905@krwc1360.com> References: <3D0EA856.8090905@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: John Goerg writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >No, the normal way to monitor the discrete ouput (stupid) UPSs has > >always been through a serial port (but not with a standard serial > >cable). There are a bunch of lines you can directly monitor and > >control on a serial port -- DCD, DTR, DSR, CTS, RI, stuff like that. > > Yes, that works too, I just didn't know you were hardware hacking that > much.:) > > David Dyer-Bennet also wrote: > >I think I've got a valid cable. I can see on the breakout box how > >various lines change state when the UPS changes state. > > OK, sounds like you got your cabling under control, back to the > software. ( Something I don't know anything about!) Good Luck. There's *something* I don't have under control. Nothing I've tried has been able to get the attention of any monitor program on the serial port. I *did* switch the modem over, and qpage can use the modem just fine on /dev/ttyS1. So I switched back again. What can be wrong? Not the cable, I used the same cable to the modem. Possibly the adapter that connects the cable to the breakout box; but signals come through and light the lights I'd expect. Possibly the connections I make to try to tickle a line. Possibly the lines I choose to tickle -- but I tried all of them. What else? So, on the connections -- I've tried connecting pin 20 (DTR; light showing red for negative voltage) to various things both direct and through a 4.7k resistor. I've also tried grounding the other things (to pin 7, SG). Then I wrote my own little monitoring program, which is at least simple. It detects an immediate change, and then no change no matter what I do. My stupid program looks like this: /* * Monitor pins on serial port. * * Purpose is to try to figure out why the *&^*( I can't monitor my UPS. */ #include #include #include #include #include int main (int argc, char **argv) { int fd, res, nbits, obits; /* Open the serial port */ fd = open ("/dev/ttyS1", O_NOCTTY | O_RDWR); if (!fd) { printf ("Failed to open tty\n"); } obits = 0; /* Loop until they change */ /* Report them */ while (1) { if (nbits != obits) { printf ("Bits are: %08x\n", nbits); obits = nbits; } res=ioctl(fd, TIOCMGET, &nbits); } close (fd); exit (0); } -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 18 03:03:26 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:42:24PM -0500 References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020618022441.G10820@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:42:24PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After > much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > So here's the status: > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > Try something a little more.. standard, such as ISC's DHCP, make sure you're setting the client and host ID features. > Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From sos at zjod.net Tue Jun 18 05:40:39 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: from "Jon Schewe" at Jun 17, 2002 11:42:24 PM Message-ID: <200206181020.g5IAKfA01498@zjod.net> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After > much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > So here's the status: > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net AT&T recently (starting on 6/17) began an "upgrade to the provisioning system". Among other things, this means they're mucking about with DHCP stuff. If you're using pump (RedHat and Mandrake out of the box), visit http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/DHCP/ and download the latest version of dhcpcd (dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz), and then build and install it. Noting that it installs in /usr/local/sbin/dhcpcd, you then need to change /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown as per the changes listed in section 3.7 of the web page. Hope this helps, -S From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Tue Jun 18 07:53:42 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have att in columbia heights and mine quit working this morning. I have noticed a lot of traffic across my modem even when the interface is down. I am running the dhclient and it still can't get an ip. Any thoughts on why? I am running on dial backup, very painful. John Miller Information Services Trade Clearance and Settlement Home Number 763-572-1215 mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Siegfried [mailto:sos@zjod.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Jon Schewe wrote: > > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After > much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > So here's the status: > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net AT&T recently (starting on 6/17) began an "upgrade to the provisioning system". Among other things, this means they're mucking about with DHCP stuff. If you're using pump (RedHat and Mandrake out of the box), visit http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/DHCP/ and download the latest version of dhcpcd (dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz), and then build and install it. Noting that it installs in /usr/local/sbin/dhcpcd, you then need to change /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown as per the changes listed in section 3.7 of the web page. Hope this helps, -S _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 18 08:09:47 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> <200206180043.25296.rahrenstorff@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0F2C03.5040506@mtu.net> Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > On Monday 17 June 2002 11:42 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > >>Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After >>much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware >>problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech >>to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! >> >>So here's the status: >>- Win95, gets address just fine and everything works >>- OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and >>doesn't get back any offers >> >>If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but >>I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? >> >>Thanks. >> > > What location? I have no troubles in Maple Grove on AT&T cable modem. I'm in Maple Grove, right off Eagle Lake. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 18 08:13:50 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> <20020618022441.G10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3D0F2C33.8000704@mtu.net> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:42:24PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > >>Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After >>much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware >>problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech >>to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! >> >>So here's the status: >>- Win95, gets address just fine and everything works >>- OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and >>doesn't get back any offers >> >> > > Try something a little more.. standard, such as ISC's DHCP, make sure you're > setting the client and host ID features. ISC's DHCP is dhclient. What's the host ID supposed to be set to? I've found some documentation that the client id is 1: -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From erik at ehanson.net Tue Jun 18 08:28:51 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: I am having problems as well. My Windows machines can get addresses without a problem but my OpenBSD 3.0 can not. Has anyone found a solution? Thanks. -Erik On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:24:21 -0500 "Miller, John" wrote: > I have att in columbia heights and mine quit working this > morning. I have noticed a lot of traffic across my modem > even when the interface is down. > > I am running the dhclient and it still can't get an ip. > Any thoughts on why? I am running on dial backup, very > painful. > > John Miller > Information Services > Trade Clearance and Settlement > Home Number 763-572-1215 > mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Siegfried [mailto:sos@zjod.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and > my modem. After > > much time online with tech support, they believed it > was a hardware > > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in > preparation for the tech > > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > > > So here's the status: > > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out > requests and > > doesn't get back any offers > > > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how > I'm up now, but > > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. > Anyone got any ideas? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | > jpschewe@mtu.net > > > AT&T recently (starting on 6/17) began an "upgrade to the > provisioning > system". Among other things, this means they're mucking > about with DHCP > stuff. > > If you're using pump (RedHat and Mandrake out of the > box), visit > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/DHCP/ > and download the latest version of dhcpcd > (dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz), > and then build and install it. > > Noting that it installs in /usr/local/sbin/dhcpcd, you > then need to > change /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown as per the changes > listed in section > 3.7 of the web page. > > Hope this helps, > > -S > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuck at redroot.org Tue Jun 18 08:48:10 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0F2C03.5040506@mtu.net> Message-ID: I'm in River Falls, WI (right over the border). My AT&T connection died this morning. It was sporadic for a while, then I couldn't resolve DNS, now I can't get out anywhere. Sweet. Just what I need to start the day--nothing makes me crankier than missing my morning E-mail fix. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Tue Jun 18 09:11:03 2002 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, what have we got here? Message-ID: FWIW, per 1230.3000 SCOPE (http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/arule/1230/3000.html): "Parts 1230.3000 to 1230.4300 apply to all Mn/DOT contracts." > ---------- > From: John Joseph Trammell[SMTP:trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:17 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hello, what have we got here? > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 05:14:53PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > From a recent /. discussion, I discovered this rather interesting (and > > relevant) link: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/arule/1230/3200.html. > > "Must" is a pretty strong word--would any budding business lawyers care to > > comment? > > :Peter > > IANAL (B or otherwise), but that is music to my ears. :-) > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Tue Jun 18 09:22:24 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat Message-ID: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 work on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it anywhere. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020618/10528f62/attachment.pgp From john at krwc1360.com Tue Jun 18 09:40:30 2002 From: john at krwc1360.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring Message-ID: <3D0F413B.6050505@krwc1360.com> > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >So, on the connections -- I've tried connecting pin 20 (DTR; light >showing red for negative voltage) to various things both direct and >through a 4.7k resistor. I've also tried grounding the other things >(to pin 7, SG). The way I see it you could use pins 5,6,8 (db-25) for monitoring, being they all set above ground. Your open collector outputs on the ups will take these to ground on a state change. But does your computer need to see a rs-232 low ( that is negative) to register a change? Your ups can't do that directly. Jumpering 5 or 6 or 8 directly to 20 will do this. See if that works for your program as a test. You also mentioned it worked once, did you mean the program the first time you run it? John From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 18 09:40:56 2002 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: Message-ID: <3D0F421D.4AEA8B10@structural-wood.com> Here is a data point. I'm using AT&T also and I received the notification about the 6/17 'enhancement, so I suspect I should be affected by it. I'm not having any troubles, and my dhcp lease has expired at least once. I'm running RedHat 7.2 with pump replaced by dhcpcd version 1.3.18pl8. Go figure... erik@ehanson.net wrote: > > I am having problems as well. My Windows machines can get > addresses without a problem but my OpenBSD 3.0 can not. > Has anyone found a solution? > > Thanks. > -Erik > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:24:21 -0500 > "Miller, John" wrote: > > I have att in columbia heights and mine quit working this > > morning. I have noticed a lot of traffic across my modem > > even when the interface is down. > > > > I am running the dhclient and it still can't dhcpcdget an ip. > > Any thoughts on why? I am running on dial backup, very > > painful. > > > > John Miller > > Information Services > > Trade Clearance and Settlement > > Home Number 763-572-1215 > > mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Siegfried [mailto:sos@zjod.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:21 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! > > > > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and > > my modem. After > > > much time online with tech support, they believed it > > was a hardware > > > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in > > preparation for the tech > > > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > > > > > So here's the status: > > > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > > > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out > > requests and > > > doesn't get back any offers > > > > > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how > > I'm up now, but > > > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. > > Anyone got any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | > > jpschewe@mtu.net > > > > > > AT&T recently (starting on 6/17) began an "upgrade to the > > provisioning > > system". Among other things, this means they're mucking > > about with DHCP > > stuff. > > > > If you're using pump (RedHat and Mandrake out of the > > box), visit > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/DHCP/ > > and download the latest version of dhcpcd > > (dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz), > > and then build and install it. > > > > Noting that it installs in /usr/local/sbin/dhcpcd, you > > then need to > > change /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown as per the changes > > listed in section > > 3.7 of the web page. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > -S From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jun 18 09:41:19 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] /. meetup Message-ID: <20020618092909.A21973@mail.el-swifto.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/17/237241 -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jun 18 09:58:04 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Complex Firewall Message-ID: <200206180908.01917.list@slushpupie.com> I am in the process for setting up a fairly complex firewall, that has 5 nic's in it. (one build on + 4port Dlink card) The basic setup is going to be the office on one, Charter Cable on one, Astound Cable on one, and our wireless gateway on the other (the wireless gateway is a Linksys WAP+router+4 port switch). We dont need to load balance the internet connections, but I need to be able to freely switch the default gateway between the two (and we may be adding a 3rd soon too) Can I have some suggestions on how to configure this? Both iptables rules and generic policies would be great. Right now I have a very basic setup, but I know there are some problems with it (being able to route between the external interfaces, and the WAP without much security to name a few) Most of the firewall solutions out there only work for single internet connections, so I will have to do most of this by hand, I assume. Jay From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 18 10:23:54 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] /. meetup In-Reply-To: <20020618092909.A21973@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/17/237241 Maybe for rural areas it's cool (wow... Joey down the street reads /.? I thought I was the only geek in Darwin!) or whatever. Seems poiintless in larger cities, where usually LUGs bring the /. readers together. Maybe it's just me. -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 18 10:32:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 07:24:21AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: >I have att in columbia heights and mine quit working this morning. I have noticed a lot of traffic across my modem even when the interface is down. > >I am running the dhclient and it still can't get an ip. Any thoughts on why? I am running on dial backup, very painful. Yes well I can get a lease just fine on my b0rken at&t cable modem but can't route packets. I can't even ping the default route :-( A co-worker told me they need my serial number and MAC from my cable modem again. Seems they need to be reprovisioned. Assholes. > >John Miller >Information Services >Trade Clearance and Settlement >Home Number 763-572-1215 >mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Siegfried [mailto:sos@zjod.net] >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:21 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! > > >Jon Schewe wrote: >> >> Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After >> much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware >> problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech >> to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! >> >> So here's the status: >> - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works >> - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and >> doesn't get back any offers >> >> If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but >> I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > >AT&T recently (starting on 6/17) began an "upgrade to the provisioning >system". Among other things, this means they're mucking about with DHCP >stuff. > >If you're using pump (RedHat and Mandrake out of the box), visit > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/DHCP/ >and download the latest version of dhcpcd (dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz), >and then build and install it. > >Noting that it installs in /usr/local/sbin/dhcpcd, you then need to >change /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown as per the changes listed in section >3.7 of the web page. > >Hope this helps, > >-S > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My Windows machines can get >addresses without a problem but my OpenBSD 3.0 can not. > Has anyone found a solution? tcLug LUG not tcwindowsoropenbsdusersgroup. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, the name of the routable_hosts makes me think the list of hosts goes in there (likein open_ports) but routables.conf really looks like it wants a list too. has any one used this routables option, or munir, do you recall any more? > i'm sorry i cannot be more specific but i am stuck in winders land at the > moment my condolences. duncan From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 18 10:41:44 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:00:45AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 work >on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it >anywhere. I've run it on 7.3 here. > >Thanks. >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But does your > computer need to see a rs-232 low ( that is negative) to register a > change? Your ups can't do that directly. Jumpering 5 or 6 or 8 > directly to 20 will do this. See if that works for your program as a > test. You also mentioned it worked once, did you mean the program the > first time you run it? Jumping 5 or 6 or 8 to 20 doesn't do anything (other than lighting the light associated with 5, 6, or 8 on the breakout box). But it isn't detected either by my program or by the UPS monitoring programs I've tried. When I run my monitoring program it reports one value, then instantly another value, then never reports a change again. The initial change is *before* I do anything to make a change at the breakout box. It very probably represents some sort of bug in the program, possibly even a bug that makes the whole test invalid; I just haven't figured out what it *is* yet. If I control/c out, and then run it immediately again, I get exactly the same behavior (and exactly the same values), which I take as additional evidence that the output isn't responding to reality. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 18 11:04:28 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020618153331.GG12976@fandre.com> This has some info: http://staff.in2.hr/denis/oracle/ On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 work > on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it > anywhere. > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 18 11:58:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <20020618152409.GD4624@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152409.GD4624@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <44351.198.74.20.73.1024419002.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Ben Lutgens said: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:10:01AM -0700, erik@ehanson.net wrote: >>I am having problems as well. My Windows machines can get >>addresses without a problem but my OpenBSD 3.0 can not. >> Has anyone found a solution? > > tcLug LUG not tcwindowsoropenbsdusersgroup. since when does the list refuse to help someone in computerneed? yes it is a Linux user group, but all of us heer are computer users as well and chances are most if not all will help out with anyproblem weather it is linux related or not -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 18 12:01:03 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lots of IP addresses, Loopback, and firewalls In-Reply-To: <20020618142746.9018.qmail@chaos.sodatrain.com> References: <3D0E0ED4.2090506@sodatrain.com> <63273.198.74.20.78.1024335050.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <20020618142746.9018.qmail@chaos.sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <38995.198.74.20.73.1024419208.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> duncan said: > has any one used this routables option, or munir, do you recall any > more? i have never actually played withthe routables, i just fiddled with it a bit to see what it does, no more that 30 mins or so... -munir From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 18 12:20:03 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <44351.198.74.20.73.1024419002.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152409.GD4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <44351.198.74.20.73.1024419002.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020618171016.GA12370@iucha.net> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:50:02AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ben Lutgens said: > > tcLug LUG not tcwindowsoropenbsdusersgroup. > > since when does the list refuse to help someone in computerneed? Since when do you equate the list with the Ben? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(one build on + 4port Dlink card) The basic setup is going to be the >office on one, Charter Cable on one, Astound Cable on one, and our wireless >gateway on the other (the wireless gateway is a Linksys WAP+router+4 port >switch). We dont need to load balance the internet connections, but I need >to be able to freely switch the default gateway between the two (and we may >be adding a 3rd soon too) > >Can I have some suggestions on how to configure this? Both iptables rules >and >generic policies would be great. Right now I have a very basic setup, but I >know there are some problems with it (being able to route between the >external interfaces, and the WAP without much security to name a few) Most >of >the firewall solutions out there only work for single internet connections, >so I will have to do most of this by hand, I assume. > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shattner, Airplane II --- _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 18 13:03:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <44351.198.74.20.73.1024419002.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152409.GD4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <44351.198.74.20.73.1024419002.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20020618175743.GA7799@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:50:02AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > >yes it is a Linux user group, but all of us heer are computer users as >well and chances are most if not all will help out with anyproblem weather >it is linux related or not It's nice to keep the posts on-topic. i.e. linux and linux use. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It works well for the most part, although it is still better to know how to make 'em from scratch. > -----Original Message----- > From: mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com > [SMTP:mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to linuxconfig in Redhat 7.3 > > Now that Redhat does not have linuxconfig (I know, it's cheating) > with > 7.3, is there a better alternative (besides editing > /etc/sysconfig/network-config/) for changing the ip, hostname, etc > in a > command line interface? > > Thanks! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list IPC 2002 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 18 13:24:57 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to linuxconfig in Redhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com wrote: > Now that Redhat does not have linuxconfig (I know, it's cheating) with > 7.3, is there a better alternative (besides editing > /etc/sysconfig/network-config/) for changing the ip, hostname, etc in > a command line interface? edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX seriously, it's easier than any gui will ever make it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 18 13:37:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 10:23:14AM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> Ben, this message isn't only to you, i just chose to reply to your message in particular. > Yes well I can get a lease just fine on my b0rken at&t cable modem but > can't route packets. I can't even ping the default route :-( A co-worker > told me they need my serial number and MAC from my cable modem again. Seems > they need to be reprovisioned. Assholes. I know it's a horrid throught, but have you considered calling AT&T? Have _any_ of you called AT&T? For most of you (cable syncs, get an IP, no internet) they'll have you go to a web page (everything _but_ that web page is filtered), you'll enter your account number, then the last 9 digits of your account number in the next box. Click SUBMIT, and presto chango, the cable modem reboots and you're on the 'net. As much as AT&T sucks, they are your ISP, you should try calling them before bitching and whining to a mailing list. (And put some throught into it, if you register your WINDOWS box with them, then unplug the WINDOWS box and plug in the LINUX box, you didn't register your LINUX box, so it's probably NOT going to work) > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > Droids now do ya?" -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 18 13:57:56 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A3E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > It's nice to keep the posts on-topic. i.e. linux and linux use. Well, I sort of agree here, but users of the list sometimes have problems that others will know the answer to. Just because linux is the one binding thing that brings this list together doesn't mean that it has to be strictly linux. Just look at the beer meetings, linux is definitely not discussed 100% of the time at those, yet linux is the thing that brings all those people together to drink beer and talk about other geeky stuff. Now, on that note, I lost my aol password, and my mouse pedal isn't working right. :) Jay From bneigebauer at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 13:58:26 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Also thought I would mention that I have a small enclosed rack unit. Its on wheels, front and back open and are keyed. There is a plate on the back for putting key-jacks, supports like 20 (3 included), or you can remove for raw cable access. Comes with two high speed fans on top. It includes one rack shelf and has room for about 6 1U units (I believe) Anyone want a rack for their network hardware?? I just moved into an apartment, so I need to unload some of this stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale I don't know if this is forbidden on this list, but: I have the following items for sale: Cisco 400 Series 12 port 10/100 1U HUB (Used, with mounting brackets) Enlight ATX case + PS (some wear, but PS is good) Plaintree WaveSwitch 100 16 Port 10mbps Switch, 3u rackmount. Manageable, with 10/100 card. (Used and ancient) Compact Flash <-> IDE Adapter/Converter. You can boot linux off a flash card! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From mike at getbent.net Tue Jun 18 14:12:01 2002 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Providing SMTP servervice over Qmail Message-ID: <0206181356540N.12986@Dingo> Howdy all. I have a few remote users who bounce around from various isps and what not. What do I need to do to configure Qmail to accept authentication and relay an email for a user. I could just make the server an open relay but that never is any good for anyone. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Jun 18 14:22:36 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale Message-ID: These things are not forbidden, but it is nice to mark the [OT] or [Off Topic] so that those who want to filter traffic that is not related to Linux can do so. Thanks, Troy >>> bneigebauer@attbi.com 06/18/02 01:54PM >>> Hello, Also thought I would mention that I have a small enclosed rack unit. Its on wheels, front and back open and are keyed. There is a plate on the back for putting key-jacks, supports like 20 (3 included), or you can remove for raw cable access. Comes with two high speed fans on top. It includes one rack shelf and has room for about 6 1U units (I believe) Anyone want a rack for their network hardware?? I just moved into an apartment, so I need to unload some of this stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale I don't know if this is forbidden on this list, but: I have the following items for sale: Cisco 400 Series 12 port 10/100 1U HUB (Used, with mounting brackets) Enlight ATX case + PS (some wear, but PS is good) Plaintree WaveSwitch 100 16 Port 10mbps Switch, 3u rackmount. Manageable, with 10/100 card. (Used and ancient) Compact Flash <-> IDE Adapter/Converter. You can boot linux off a flash card! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 18 14:42:03 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to linuxconfig in Redhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com wrote: > > Now that Redhat does not have linuxconfig (I know, it's cheating) with > > 7.3, is there a better alternative (besides editing > > /etc/sysconfig/network-config/) for changing the ip, hostname, etc in > > a command line interface? > > edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX > > seriously, it's easier than any gui will ever make it.. I never did figure out how to do it in the GUI. Never had any trouble editing the scripts, though. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From rwh at umn.edu Tue Jun 18 14:42:37 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3D0F899A.8000502@umn.edu> Ben, this message isn't only to you, i just chose to reply to your message in particular. >> Yes well I can get a lease just fine on my b0rken at&t cable modem >>but can't route packets. I can't even ping the default route :-( A >>co-worker told me they need my serial number and MAC from my cable >>modem again. Seems they need to be reprovisioned. Assholes. >I know it's a horrid throught, but have you considered calling AT&T? >Have_any_ of you called AT&T? For most of you (cable syncs, get an IP, >no internet) they'll have you go to a web page (everything _but_ that >web page is filtered), you'll enter your account number, then the last >9 digits of your account number in the next box. Click SUBMIT, and >presto chango,the cable modem reboots and you're on the 'net. >As much as AT&T sucks, they are your ISP, you should try calling them >before bitching and whining to a mailing list. (And put some throught >into it, if you register your WINDOWS box with them, then unplug the >WINDOWS box and plug in the LINUX box, you didn't register your LINUX >box, so it's probably NOT going to work) Since you asked, yes I did call them. I got a nice young women who insisted that I should be able to connect to their provisioning page without an IP address (my modem quit synching sometime early Sunday morning). I explained to her that it wasn't going to happen, but as is often the case when you're dealing with the chronically inept, it was easier to type in the address and try to humor her. She actually had me type it in three times before she gave up and escalated it to their networking group for investigation. She said they'd call me in two to three days. We both know already that no one is going to call. I'll also mention that it took two phone calls and a visit to the local AT&T store front over a two week period to get the modem properly provisioned in the first place. If I call AT&T tonight to check on the status, they'll have no record of my previous calls, no record of my modem, no record of any changes being made to the local network, and of course they'll tell me that none of the other users in my area are having problems either. In the mean time my access point dials into Visi and I'm mulling over whether I want to continue to put up with the poor service and relatively poor quality of the AT&T network service, or whether I can live with a 56Kb dialup connection. I'm leaning towards the latter, if for no other reason than to send a message to AT&T/Comcast. --rick From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 18 14:58:08 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020618193003.GP12976@fandre.com> Don't forget about the TCLUG classifieds: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > These things are not forbidden, but > it is nice to mark the [OT] or [Off Topic] > so that those who want to filter traffic that > is not related to Linux can do so. > > Thanks, > > Troy > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:00 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale > > > I don't know if this is forbidden on this list, but: From xpoverby at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 15:44:12 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows Message-ID: <3D0FB5C1.1040808@attbi.com> Apparently Lindows has been released http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-936752.html Apparently the judge has decided that windows is a generic term not a specific product descriptor owned by Microsoft. What a relief. http://www.net2.com/Reconsideration_Denied.pdf -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 18 15:52:03 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 01:23:21PM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020618163918.A11761@mtu.net> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 01:23:21PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Ben, this message isn't only to you, i just chose to reply to your > message in particular. > > > > Yes well I can get a lease just fine on my b0rken at&t cable modem but > > can't route packets. I can't even ping the default route :-( A co-worker > > told me they need my serial number and MAC from my cable modem again. Seems > > they need to be reprovisioned. Assholes. > > I know it's a horrid throught, but have you considered calling AT&T? Have > _any_ of you called AT&T? For most of you (cable syncs, get an IP, no internet) > they'll have you go to a web page (everything _but_ that web page is > filtered), you'll enter your account number, then the last 9 digits of > your account number in the next box. Click SUBMIT, and presto chango, > the cable modem reboots and you're on the 'net. Yes, I've called AT&T and you know what? They will hang up on me if I tell them I'm using something other than windows. In this case I really doubt AT&T is to blame here, they just updated their software and it turns out the default dhcp clients we have don't support their new standard. Now if it's not a public standard, THEN they suck, otherwise they're just trying to keep up to date. > > As much as AT&T sucks, they are your ISP, you should try calling them > before bitching and whining to a mailing list. (And put some throught > into it, if you register your WINDOWS box with them, then unplug the > WINDOWS box and plug in the LINUX box, you didn't register your LINUX > box, so it's probably NOT going to work) Both OS's sit on the same box. Just unplug an IDE cable and Windows becomes OpenBSD(or Linux for that matter). -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Jun 18 15:54:42 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of IP addresses, Loopback, and firewalls In-Reply-To: <63273.198.74.20.78.1024335050.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <3D0E0ED4.2090506@sodatrain.com> <63273.198.74.20.78.1024335050.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1024433077.1914.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > A friend once mentioned putting all the other IP's on the loopback IF. > > This made all the other IP's world routable, and all the firewalling > > was done on the eth0. > > why bother, iptables does everything... i even had it toast my bread this > morning this still doesnt address the best way to add the IP's does it? Do i still need to tack it onto eth0, or lo? I cant imaging that just addign it in routables.conf makes it go. duncan From phil21 at five-elements.com Tue Jun 18 16:12:01 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: So, want to explain the process (since you apparently know it and are witholding) of "registering" your Linux box? I could swap NIC's, yes. But what happens when I get a new one? It's just fixing a symptom, not the real issue. Fact is, AT&T changed shit and broke it badly for a subset of it's users. Granted, Linux isn't supported (and really shouldn't be), but they will not take kindly to you telling them you have a linux box that doesn't work. They went from a (more or less) standards based setup to some proprietary junk, and it's up to groups of users like this one to figure it out. My numerous calls about registering my "laptop's" MAC address have all been met with a "oh, just plug it in and it will work fine" response. Obviously this is not the case. Obviously the MAC needs to be registered somewhere, and I for one am unable to do so. That little page they have ceases to work after you do it the first time. -Phil > > I know it's a horrid throught, but have you considered calling AT&T? Have > _any_ of you called AT&T? For most of you (cable syncs, get an > IP, no internet) > they'll have you go to a web page (everything _but_ that web page is > filtered), you'll enter your account number, then the last 9 digits of > your account number in the next box. Click SUBMIT, and presto chango, > the cable modem reboots and you're on the 'net. > > As much as AT&T sucks, they are your ISP, you should try calling them > before bitching and whining to a mailing list. (And put some throught > into it, if you register your WINDOWS box with them, then unplug the > WINDOWS box and plug in the LINUX box, you didn't register your LINUX > box, so it's probably NOT going to work) > > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > Droids now do ya?" -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Tue Jun 18 16:47:09 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020618163209.B76697-100000@tcfreenet.org> I think that they SHOULD support Linux to whatever degree they "support" anything. They aren't supporting any operating system, really. They just provide a connection, and they should honest about what that connection is doing since it's in your home. BTW, I changed NICs and they responsded immediately to my request to set up a different MAC address. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Phil Doroff wrote: [snip] > Fact is, AT&T changed shit and broke it badly for a subset of it's users. > Granted, Linux isn't supported (and really shouldn't be), but they will not > take kindly to you telling them you have a linux box that doesn't work. > They went from a (more or less) standards based setup to some proprietary > junk, and it's up to groups of users like this one to figure it out. [snip] From erik at ehanson.net Tue Jun 18 16:47:46 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too have called them a number of times and have gotten no usefull information. I do get an error when I try to get an IP address of DHCP. The error is: DHCPACK from 24.34.242.34 rejected due to bogus yiaddr of 0.0.0.0 Does this mean anything to anyone? Thanks. -Erik On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:15:24 -0500 "Phil Doroff" wrote: > So, want to explain the process (since you apparently > know it and are > witholding) of "registering" your Linux box? > > I could swap NIC's, yes. But what happens when I get a > new one? It's just > fixing a symptom, not the real issue. > > Fact is, AT&T changed shit and broke it badly for a > subset of it's users. > Granted, Linux isn't supported (and really shouldn't be), > but they will not > take kindly to you telling them you have a linux box that > doesn't work. > They went from a (more or less) standards based setup to > some proprietary > junk, and it's up to groups of users like this one to > figure it out. > > My numerous calls about registering my "laptop's" MAC > address have all been > met with a "oh, just plug it in and it will work fine" > response. Obviously > this is not the case. Obviously the MAC needs to be > registered somewhere, > and I for one am unable to do so. That little page they > have ceases to work > after you do it the first time. > > -Phil > From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Jun 18 16:55:03 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat Message-ID: <000005d802091307d2@[172.29.97.10]> I have loaded Oracle 8i on Mandrake 7.1 and Rhat 7.1, can't speak for 9 other than I know it requires 500mb of ram to load on Linux. Oracle's site should be chock full o' helpful information since Larry announced that Linux was their platform du jour a couple a months back. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [SMTP:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat > > Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 > work > on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it > anywhere. > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com IPC 2002 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 17:04:44 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try to set the card to have an IP address of something unroutable, and not on your network. Then use dhcpcd -h 'hostname' eth0 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of erik@ehanson.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! I too have called them a number of times and have gotten no usefull information. I do get an error when I try to get an IP address of DHCP. The error is: DHCPACK from 24.34.242.34 rejected due to bogus yiaddr of 0.0.0.0 Does this mean anything to anyone? Thanks. -Erik On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:15:24 -0500 "Phil Doroff" wrote: > So, want to explain the process (since you apparently > know it and are > witholding) of "registering" your Linux box? > > I could swap NIC's, yes. But what happens when I get a > new one? It's just > fixing a symptom, not the real issue. > > Fact is, AT&T changed shit and broke it badly for a > subset of it's users. > Granted, Linux isn't supported (and really shouldn't be), > but they will not > take kindly to you telling them you have a linux box that > doesn't work. > They went from a (more or less) standards based setup to > some proprietary > junk, and it's up to groups of users like this one to > figure it out. > > My numerous calls about registering my "laptop's" MAC > address have all been > met with a "oh, just plug it in and it will work fine" > response. Obviously > this is not the case. Obviously the MAC needs to be > registered somewhere, > and I for one am unable to do so. That little page they > have ceases to work > after you do it the first time. > > -Phil > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Jun 18 17:09:40 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <000007cf020b0a07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Screw nics, put a cable modem router in front of your pc. The d-link and linksys will be whatever mac address you want them to be. IPC 2002 From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Jun 18 17:56:50 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> Changing the subject slightly. Is anyone aware of being able to run Oracle Discoverer on Linux? Discoverer supposedly requires IE or Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. For some reason running Discoverer to edit Oracle reports in IE causes my Win2K box to freeze every 10 minutes or so. Brady On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 10:20, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:00:45AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > >Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 work > >on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it > >anywhere. > > I've run it on 7.3 here. > > > > >Thanks. > >-- > >Amy Tanner > >amy@real-time.com > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > Droids now do ya?" From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Tue Jun 18 18:40:02 2002 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sync'ing a Palm i705 Message-ID: <20020618232715.GA4128@lemongecko.org> My old Palm Vx died and Best Buy replaced it with an i705, and I've been unable to get it to sync over USB. The source code for visor.c claims it supports the i705, and I have that module loaded, along with the other USB modules. When I hit the HotSync button, the Palm is detected and connects to the USB bus: [1]. But when I run pilot-link or coldsync, they both just sit there, saying "press the HotSync button". Eventually the Palm times out and disconnects. It really seems like it should work, since the USB subsystem is recognizing the device just fine. There's not much information on this on the web (nothing specifically for an i705 that I can find). Has anybody gotten an i705 or similar device to sync? TIA Dan [1] http://lemongecko.org/drake/usbview-screenshot.jpg -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to Scott Dier, we've got a local mirror of X4.2.0. :) sources.list entries: deb http://kde3.geniussystems.net/debian ./ deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/branden/ sid/$(ARCH)/ deb-src ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/branden sid/source/ x4.2.0 mirror list: http://people.brainfood.com/~doogie/x4.2/ -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sos at zjod.net Tue Jun 18 19:50:32 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: from "Miller, John" at Jun 18, 2002 07:24:21 AM Message-ID: <200206181708.g5IH8IJ06248@zjod.net> Miller, John wrote: > > I have att in columbia heights and mine quit working this morning. I have noticed a lot of traffic across my modem even when the interface is down. > > I am running the dhclient and it still can't get an ip. Any thoughts on why? I am running on dial backup, very painful. > If you run "tcpdump -p -n -ieth0" when the interface is up and nothing much is going on, you'll see lots (up to 10 per second) of "arp who-has" requests, often more then one call for the same address within seconds of each other. All of the addresses being queried are those sharing the same local AT&T network gateway. So who's doing all the ARP requests? That same network gateway box. Yeah, it's probably broken, but have you ever tried to tell AT&T's tech support anything that wasn't draped in "windowsese"? As to getting an IP when your current DHCP setup stops working? I downloaded dhcpcd-1.3.22-pl1.tar.gz from http://www.tldp.org and followed the directions for building/installing and it works just fine now. Hope this helps, -S From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 18 19:51:04 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to linuxconfig in Redhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: ; from mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 12:57:11PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020618132638.I10820@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 12:57:11PM -0500, mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com wrote: > Now that Redhat does not have linuxconfig (I know, it's cheating) with > 7.3, is there a better alternative (besides editing > /etc/sysconfig/network-config/) for changing the ip, hostname, etc in a > command line interface? > Use netconfig.. netconfig --help Usage: netconfig [OPTION...] --bootproto=(dhcp|bootp|none) Boot protocol to use --gateway=STRING Network gateway --ip=STRING IP address --nameserver=STRING Nameserver --netmask=STRING Netmask --hostname=STRING Hostname --domain=STRING Domain name -d, --device=STRING Network device --nodns No DNS lookups Help options: -?, --help Show this help message --usage Display brief usage message Running netconfig -d eth0, will bring up a curses based menu for setting up the eth0 device. > Thanks! > > -Eric -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 18 19:54:21 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Providing SMTP servervice over Qmail In-Reply-To: <0206181356540N.12986@Dingo> References: <0206181356540N.12986@Dingo> Message-ID: Mike Nielsen writes: > Howdy all. I have a few remote users who bounce around from various isps and > what not. What do I need to do to configure Qmail to accept authentication > and relay an email for a user. I could just make the server an open relay > but that never is any good for anyone. So you're looking for something like the SMTP-after-POP solutions? I'd look at Russell Nelson or David Harris's setups for that (see www.qmail.org), or it's included in some of the fancier virtual mailbox packages for qmail (vpopmail, I think vmailmgr). I'm having network troubles getting to www.lifewithqmail.com right now, but I thought they discussed this sort of thing, probably in the section on relaying. (If the senders are on fixed IPs, it's *much* easier. But you said "bounce around" so it sounds like that's not the problem. People also sometimes tell their users to send *out* using the ISPs smtp server, which eliminates the problem.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 18 20:22:03 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Providing SMTP servervice over Qmail In-Reply-To: References: <0206181356540N.12986@Dingo> Message-ID: <20020619011807.GB4272@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 02:34:59PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >Mike Nielsen writes: > >> Howdy all. I have a few remote users who bounce around from various isps and >> what not. What do I need to do to configure Qmail to accept authentication >> and relay an email for a user. I could just make the server an open relay >> but that never is any good for anyone. Use SMTP-AUTH-TLS. Qmail can be configured to do this, but it's non-trivial. Try exim. It supports it out of the box. Exim4 even support SPA. It's the best MTA i've ever used. > >So you're looking for something like the SMTP-after-POP solutions? >I'd look at Russell Nelson or David Harris's setups for that (see >www.qmail.org), or it's included in some of the fancier virtual >mailbox packages for qmail (vpopmail, I think vmailmgr). > >I'm having network troubles getting to www.lifewithqmail.com right >now, but I thought they discussed this sort of thing, probably in the >section on relaying. > >(If the senders are on fixed IPs, it's *much* easier. But you said >"bounce around" so it sounds like that's not the problem. People also >sometimes tell their users to send *out* using the ISPs smtp server, >which eliminates the problem.) >-- >David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test > John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Discoverer supposedly requires IE or >Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. > >For some reason running Discoverer to edit Oracle reports in IE causes >my Win2K box to freeze every 10 minutes or so. WHy not run IE under wine or more specifically xover-office. > >Brady > >On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 10:20, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:00:45AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >> >Does anyone know which releases of RedHat Oracle 8 and Oracle 9 work >> >on? I've searched all over Oracle's website and couldn't find it >> >anywhere. >> >> I've run it on 7.3 here. >> >> > >> >Thanks. >> >-- >> >Amy Tanner >> >amy@real-time.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ >> System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ >> Sistina Software Inc. | >> >> "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial >> Droids now do ya?" > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm drawing a mind blank, and can't think of it. shawn From john at krwc1360.com Tue Jun 18 21:15:41 2002 From: john at krwc1360.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring References: <3D0F413B.6050505@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: <3D0FE2CF.3080304@krwc1360.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Jumping 5 or 6 or 8 to 20 doesn't do anything (other than lighting the > light associated with 5, 6, or 8 on the breakout box). But it isn't > detected either by my program or by the UPS monitoring programs I've > tried. > > When I run my monitoring program it reports one value, then instantly > another value, then never reports a change again. The initial change > is *before* I do anything to make a change at the breakout box. It > very probably represents some sort of bug in the program, possibly > even a bug that makes the whole test invalid; I just haven't figured > out what it *is* yet. > > If I control/c out, and then run it immediately again, I get exactly > the same behavior (and exactly the same values), which I take as > additional evidence that the output isn't responding to reality. Try this David, tie pins 4 + 5 to the computer together and test again. Most of the newer computers (post Pentium) need 4+5 jumpered or 5 connected to something else for the serial port to function. I would'nt think you would need this just to scan the port but maybe........... John From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 18 21:16:09 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [xover-office In-Reply-To: <20020618203512.4f65fad5.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020619012000.GC4272@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618203512.4f65fad5.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020619021602.GB5050@rtfm.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 08:35:12PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: >On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:20:00 -0500 >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> WHy not run IE under wine or more specifically xover-office. >> > >Have they released a trial version of the xover-office yet? I'd like to >try it out and see how some specific IE programs work on it. On a side >note, what's the name of the game plug-in that is being developed? I'm >drawing a mind blank, and can't think of it. No, there's no demo version. You just gotta bite the bullet. The other piece you speak about is not a plugin, it's a fork of wine called WineX by transgaming. It's meant for DirectX games and apps and most likely Exploder won't run under it. It's a very specialized version of the wine base (AFAIK) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020618/1f099b0b/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 18 21:35:18 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sync'ing a Palm i705 In-Reply-To: <20020618232715.GA4128@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:27:15PM -0500 References: <20020618232715.GA4128@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20020618212937.J10820@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:27:15PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote: > My old Palm Vx died and Best Buy replaced it with an i705, and I've been > unable to get it to sync over USB. > > The source code for visor.c claims it supports the i705, and I have that > module loaded, along with the other USB modules. > > When I hit the HotSync button, the Palm is detected and connects to the > USB bus: [1]. > > But when I run pilot-link or coldsync, they both just sit there, saying > "press the HotSync button". Eventually the Palm times out and > disconnects. It really seems like it should work, since the USB > subsystem is recognizing the device just fine. > > There's not much information on this on the web (nothing specifically > for an i705 that I can find). Has anybody gotten an i705 or similar > device to sync? I've got a handspring prism, to hotsync I have to press the hotsync button on the cradle then run [pilot-xfer|coldsync|whatever], this is because of the USB connection not being made until the hotsync button is pressed. Also, which USB device are you telling programs to talk to? > > TIA > > Dan > > > [1] http://lemongecko.org/drake/usbview-screenshot.jpg > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email Interesting, this message didn't have the regular footer.. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 18 21:53:10 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <3D0FE2CF.3080304@krwc1360.com> References: <3D0F413B.6050505@krwc1360.com> <3D0FE2CF.3080304@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: John Goerg writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Jumping 5 or 6 or 8 to 20 doesn't do anything (other than lighting the > > light associated with 5, 6, or 8 on the breakout box). But it isn't > > detected either by my program or by the UPS monitoring programs I've > > tried. When I run my monitoring program it reports one value, then > > instantly > > another value, then never reports a change again. The initial change > > is *before* I do anything to make a change at the breakout box. It > > very probably represents some sort of bug in the program, possibly > > even a bug that makes the whole test invalid; I just haven't figured > > out what it *is* yet. > > If I control/c out, and then run it immediately again, I get exactly > > the same behavior (and exactly the same values), which I take as > > additional evidence that the output isn't responding to reality. > > Try this David, tie pins 4 + 5 to the computer together and test again. > Most of the newer computers (post Pentium) need 4+5 jumpered or 5 > connected to something else for the serial port to function. I > would'nt think you would need this just to scan the port but > maybe........... Still nothing (and on a different computer from the first try, so different serial port). I did find a couple of bugs in my monitor program (in particular, the initial apparent change was a bug), but it hasn't made any difference yet. Oh; are your "4" and "5" for a 9-pin or a 25-pin connector? Since they're RTS and CTS on 25-pin, I'm guessing that's what you mean. That's what I tried, anyway. Neither of them has any signal on it according to the breakout box, either. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 18 21:53:42 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <000007cf020b0a07d2@[172.29.97.10]>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:43:19PM -0500 References: <000007cf020b0a07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020618224249.A13666@mtu.net> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:43:19PM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > Screw nics, put a cable modem router in front of your pc. The > d-link and linksys will be whatever mac address you want them to be. That'd be nice, but there are times I need to have a machine there. Like for certain logging capabilities and for setting up nice VPNs such that my whole house is properly routed through it, rather than just the machine doing the VPN. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 18 22:14:21 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Test Message-ID: <3D0CEDF9.5040000@haxxed.com> I can't seem to post. Testing whee. From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 18 22:14:55 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <3D0F41A0.5010808@ringworld.org> > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers Some people have reported that using this page if they get an invalid dhcp lease works. https://sas.ce1.attbb.net Otherwise, two possiblities: I've seen the natsemi cards have different MAC addresses between windows and unix. Perhaps the same is happening here? I've also seen DHCP servers require you to report a 'hostname'. Did you try rebooting your cable modem? It might have a static MAC list thats being overflowed. You don't have the private network connected to the same segment, right? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Tue Jun 18 22:15:34 2002 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sync'ing a Palm i705 In-Reply-To: <20020618212937.J10820@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020618232715.GA4128@lemongecko.org> <20020618212937.J10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020619025839.GA8791@lemongecko.org> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 at 09:29PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I've got a handspring prism, to hotsync I have to press the hotsync > button on the cradle then run [pilot-xfer|coldsync|whatever], this is > because of the USB connection not being made until the hotsync button > is pressed. Yep, I'm doing that. If I run pilot-link _before_ hitting the HotSync button, the USB subsystem doesn't think there's anything to talk to. > Also, which USB device are you telling programs to talk to? /dev/ttyUSB1, which is correct...at least, that's what the syslog says: ----------------- Jun 18 18:19:00 aleph-one kernel: usbserial.c: Palm 4.0 converter detected Jun 18 18:19:00 aleph-one kernel: visor.c: Palm 4.0: Number of ports: 2 Jun 18 18:19:00 aleph-one kernel: visor.c: Palm 4.0: port 1, is for Generic use and is bound to ttyUSB0 Jun 18 18:19:00 aleph-one kernel: visor.c: Palm 4.0: port 2, is for HotSync use and is bound to ttyUSB1 ----------------- Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020618/36e9d471/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 18 22:19:20 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152409.GD4624@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3D0F7211.6010609@ringworld.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > tcLug LUG not tcwindowsoropenbsdusersgroup. Stuff it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 18 22:19:59 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <3D0F899A.8000502@umn.edu> Message-ID: <3D0FA8F8.7070202@ringworld.org> Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > live with a 56Kb dialup connection. I'm leaning towards the latter, if > for no other reason than to send a message to AT&T/Comcast. Im begeninng to think that *dhclient* is broken or needs some frobbing. People i know *not* using dhclient are fine sofar. I use a little external router box that had no issues. I bet pump and dhcpcd both work still too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From jack at jacku.com Tue Jun 18 22:27:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <200206182215.01174.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 17 June 2002 23:42, Jon Schewe wrote: > Today AT&T "upgraded" the server I'm connected to and my modem. After > much time online with tech support, they believed it was a hardware > problem. So I reinstalled win95 on the box in preparation for the tech > to come out. Wonder of wonders it started working! > > So here's the status: > - Win95, gets address just fine and everything works > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? > > Thanks. Not that this will necessarily help people having problems, but here is what I experienced yesterday(Monday 6/17) with the AT&T issues. For the record my location is St Paul, Brewery neighborhood. I couldn't get out in the morning. When I got home I checked again and was still unable to get out. No DNS resolution, etc. My cable modem is hooked to a box running SuSE 8.0 as a NAT Gateway/Simple firewall. I simply stopped and restarted my network services (/etc/init.d/network stop then start) and it found an IP address and all was working. Note: I specifically did not issue a restart. Don't ask why I just decided "turning it off and then back on" was the way to go. Havn't had any problems since. YMMV and all that. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jun 18 22:44:03 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [xover-office In-Reply-To: <20020619021602.GB5050@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020619012000.GC4272@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618203512.4f65fad5.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020619021602.GB5050@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020618222905.4c14140a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:16:02 -0500 Ben Lutgens wrote: > > No, there's no demo version. You just gotta bite the bullet. > Just went to CodeWeaver's site. There is a sign-up page for an evaluation copy. "Salesperson will contact within a couple of days" it says. As you have to provide full contact info. http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/request_evaluation.php > The other piece you speak about is not a plugin, it's a fork of wine > called WineX by transgaming. It's meant for DirectX games and apps and > most likely Exploder won't run under it. It's a very specialized > version of the wine base (AFAIK) > Not really looking for IE to run under Transgamer's WineX. Winblows games is what I'm after. Damn, Evercrack still isn't supported... Rank: 0 Thanks Ben. Shawn From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 18 23:03:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <3D0CEDF9.5040000@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I can't seem to post. Testing whee. and i thought we were rid of you, drat and double drat! -munir From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Jun 18 23:04:19 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8.1 is out. Message-ID: <02061822472900.01593@nancy> Slackware 8.1 is released! ---- from www.slackware.com--- Highlights of this release include KDE 3.0.1, GNOME 1.4.1 (with new additions like Evolution), the long-awaited Mozilla 1.0 browser, support for many new filesystems like ext3, ReiserFS, JFS, and XFS, and support for several new SCSI and ATA RAID controllers. --------------------------- Kelly Black KB0GBJ From mike at jentges.net Wed Jun 19 00:04:14 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my world! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> > > Yes well I can get a lease just fine on my b0rken at&t cable modem but > > can't route packets. I can't even ping the default route :-( A co-worker > > told me they need my serial number and MAC from my cable modem again. Seems > > they need to be reprovisioned. Assholes. > > I know it's a horrid throught, but have you considered calling AT&T? Have > _any_ of you called AT&T? For most of you (cable syncs, get an IP, no internet) > they'll have you go to a web page (everything _but_ that web page is > filtered), you'll enter your account number, then the last 9 digits of > your account number in the next box. Click SUBMIT, and presto chango, > the cable modem reboots and you're on the 'net. > > As much as AT&T sucks, they are your ISP, you should try calling them > before bitching and whining to a mailing list. (And put some throught > into it, if you register your WINDOWS box with them, then unplug the > WINDOWS box and plug in the LINUX box, you didn't register your LINUX > box, so it's probably NOT going to work) > Wow. Thank Tux for Visi, Skypoint, PConline, and all the other locals. Yeah. The ones that AREN't going to be the next MS or Walmart. Register my box with my ISP? Uh no. I pay them for internet access, none of their damn business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since I assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying the extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want to work for someone besides ATT or Qwest someday? It's started already. For years I've tried to get TVLand in Blaine. Ok, I'm old and I like some of that stuff. Throughout the name changes and rate increases of the cable company, none have been able to give it to me, but literally right across the river they all have it. When ATT took over I thought I'd try again. I was told "Sure! All you have to do is upgrade to DIGITAL CABLE!" Does that sound like an EOL thing to anyone else besides me? How about "INCORRECT DOS VERSION" ? Heh. Since 'telecommunications' was convieniently de regulated by Mr Clinton, what do you suppose is going to happen to these rates once everyone falls into this thing and the little guy is stomped out? We'll probably spend thousands taking them to court because WE set them up with a monopoly and now they have the ability to'rule the world'. Oh wait, that's already been done. Walmart, ATT, Superamerica and Microsoft, will have us all by the xxx, since we've so ignorantly given it to them. I realize who owns the copper, but as long as the others exist, well....you get the point. Something to think about next time you have to log on to the unemployment website. .02 -mj > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina Software Inc. | > > > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > > Droids now do ya?" > > > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Jun 19 00:36:08 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my world! In-Reply-To: <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> Message-ID: <02061900120600.13301@nancy> On Tuesday 18 June 2002 23:13, Mike Jentges wrote: > Wow. Thank Tux for Visi, Skypoint, PConline, and all the other locals. > Yeah. The ones that AREN't going to be the next MS or Walmart. Register my > box with my ISP? Uh no. I pay them for internet access, none of their damn > business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since > I assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying > the extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want > to work for someone besides ATT or Qwest someday? If the locals could get a DSL line (which Qworst says I can't), or if I could get ISDN at < $80 / month, I would go with a local. If you want high speed in most areas you have to use the dreaded cable, or worse yet sattelite. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From fritchie at mr.net Wed Jun 19 01:46:13 2002 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building a quiet (or silent) PC Message-ID: <200206190637.g5J6biB18835@snookles.snookles.com> I've spent far too much time documenting my experience in trying to build a cheap, silent PC. Unfortunately, building a completely silent PC is difficult. As a talking Barbie doll once said, "Silent PCs are hard! Let's go shopping!" Alas, buying a silent PC is quite difficult, too ... so I chose to try to build a PC as quiet as I could and as cheaply as I could. A summary of the experience can be found at http://www.snookles.com/scott/quietpc-1.html. If y'all have comments or things to add, let me know. -Scott From djb at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 19 01:59:22 2002 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting June 20 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- Next Meeting: Topic: GFS and LVM: A Cluster File System and Volume Manager for Linux and beyond Speaker: Matthew O'Keefe, Founder and CTO, Sistina Software, Inc. Date/Time: June 20, 2002 7:00 pm Location: University Technology Center (Sistina) Synopsis: GFS (the Global File System) and LVM (Linux Logical Volume Manager) provide a cluster file system and volume manager for Linux. This talk will detail technical internals and key applications for clustered storage using GFS and LVM, discuss future directions, and focus on why storage area networks and cluster file systems represent a better way to design server infrastructure. We will meet at Sistina Headquarters in the University Technology Center, 1313 5th Street SE, Suite 111, Minneapolis, MN 55414. Tentative Meeting Schedule July 18, 2002 August 15, 2002 Directions: Sistina's headquarters are located in the University Technology Center, only a few miles northeast of the central business district of Minneapolis. The Sistina office is at the University Technology Center, 1313 5th Street SE, Suite 111. Sistina Software, Inc. University Technology Center 1313 5th Street SE, Suite 111 Minneapolis, MN 55414 http://www.sistina.com/ - From the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport: 1. Exit the airport using I494 West/Minnesota Highway 5 West ramp 2. Merge onto Interstate 494 3. Exit on MN 77 North, exit number 2B 4. Proceed on MN 77 North to the MN 62 W exit 5. Take MN 62 West to Interstate 35W North heading toward downtown Minneapolis 6. Take I-35W North just past the downtown area and exit on University Avenue (Exit Number 18 - keep right at the fork in the ramp) 7. Merge onto SE University Avenue 8. Turn Left onto 14th Avenue SE 9. Turn Left onto Fifth Street SE - From Downtown Minneapolis: 1. Take Washington Avenue to 35W North 2. Take 35W North and exit on University Avenue (Exit Number 18 - keep right at the fork in the ramp) 3. Merge onto SE University Avenue 4. Turn Left onto 14th Avenue SE 5. Turn Left onto Fifth Street SE - From St. Paul: 1. Take Interstate 35E north from Downtown St. Paul to MN Highway 36 2. Take Highway 36 west (stay to the left as it merges with Interstate 35W) 3. Exit I-35W at University Ave/Fourth Street Exit 4. Proceed to the second stop light after exiting (Fourth Street SE) 5. Turn Left onto Fourth Street SE 6. Turn Left onto 14th Avenue SE 7. Turn Left onto Fifth Street SE For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From mike at Jentges.NET Wed Jun 19 02:22:33 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my world! In-Reply-To: <02061900120600.13301@nancy> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 23:13, Mike Jentges wrote: > > Wow. Thank Tux for Visi, Skypoint, PConline, and all the other locals. > > Yeah. The ones that AREN't going to be the next MS or Walmart. Register my > > box with my ISP? Uh no. I pay them for internet access, none of their damn > > business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since > > I assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying > > the extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want > > to work for someone besides ATT or Qwest someday? > > If the locals could get a DSL line (which Qworst says I can't), or if I could > get ISDN at < $80 / month, I would go with a local. If you want high speed > in most areas you have to use the dreaded cable, or worse yet sattelite. > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > Yes, for some reason this is a bigger problem than it should be, IMO. Why they don't do what needs to be done to increase availability is beyond me. If they collect as many miscellaneous (sp?) fees from everyone with a phone as they do me, (double that for a 'business line') they sure ought to be able to afford to do it, althought they are also one of the most disorganized companies I've ever seen. I.E. while the guy was here installing DSL (security system) they called trying to sell it to me, and they ever so generously sent me (2) Cisco's. A 675 and a 678. Thats just one idiot. The offered 'rebate' on the Cisco's after 90 days was of course about 6 months late, and only after repeated calls from my wife. They had it together though. I only got a rebate on one of the Ciscos. :) Have you checked recently? I thought I heard/read somewhere they were loosening up their tolerances. Now whether thats good or bad is another matter. Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 19 06:06:34 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my world! In-Reply-To: <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim>; from mike@jentges.net on Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:13:24PM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> Message-ID: <20020619055349.L10820@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:13:24PM -0500, Mike Jentges wrote: > Wow. Thank Tux for Visi, Skypoint, PConline, and all the other locals. Yeah. > The ones that AREN't going to be the next MS or Walmart. Register my box > with my ISP? Uh no. I pay them for internet access, none of their damn > business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since I > assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying the > extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want to > work for someone besides ATT or Qwest someday? Who can I get service from locally for ~$40/mo at 1.5mbit/.3mbit (or something similar)? > It's started already. For > years I've tried to get TVLand in Blaine. Ok, I'm old and I like some of > that stuff. Throughout the name changes and rate increases of the cable > company, none have been able to give it to me, but literally right across > the river they all have it. When ATT took over I thought I'd try again. I > was told "Sure! All you have to do is upgrade to DIGITAL CABLE!" Does that > sound like an EOL thing to anyone else besides me? How about "INCORRECT DOS > VERSION" ? *Looks at his TV* Yup, channel 56, Gunsmoke is on TVLAND (analog cable) perhaps there's not enough demand for it, or perhaps they have some regulatory issues to deal with (perhaps there's not enough demand to pay for it) Of course, it could be an evil plot against you. > Heh. Since 'telecommunications' was convieniently de regulated by > Mr Clinton, what do you suppose is going to happen to these rates once > everyone falls into this thing and the little guy is stomped out? > We'll probably spend thousands taking them to court because WE set them up > with a monopoly and now they have the ability to'rule the world'. Oh wait, > that's already been done. > Walmart, ATT, Superamerica and Microsoft, will have us all by the xxx, since > we've so ignorantly given it to them. > I really like Wal-Mart, despite all the evil things people in Minnesota have to say about it, they provided the jobs for well over 1,000 people in my home town area (BFE Texas) by having two 'Super Wal-Mart' stores within 10 miles of my home, they also sold gas at .79 cents a gallon (June '99). > I realize who owns the copper, but as long as the others exist, well....you > get the point. Something to think about next time you have to log on to the > unemployment website. > > .02 > -mj I hate AT&T with a passion, but it's a choice between the evil AT&T people or the evil Qwest people, the evil Qwest people cost more for less, so I'm stuck with AT&T for now. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From chuck at redroot.org Wed Jun 19 08:18:34 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <000007cf020b0a07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Ryan Ware wrote: > Screw nics, put a cable modem router in front of your pc. The d-link > and linksys will be whatever mac address you want them to be. You can change the MAC address of most modern nics in your Linux box like so (filling in the values appropriate for your situation, replace the "??" with the MAC address you need, of course): [root@youboxnamehere] ifconfig eth0 hw ether ??:??:??:??:?? I used to do this for quite some time, until I broke down and bought a Linksys. Been very happy with it. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From nate at refried.org Wed Jun 19 08:44:01 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020619134836.GA18522@refried.org> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:42:24PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > - OpenBSD/dhclient, can't get an address. It sends out requests and > doesn't get back any offers > > If I just hardcode the address in it's fine, that's how I'm up now, but > I'm going to have to be able to renew the lease. Anyone got any ideas? I'm still having this problem, but with a little packet sniffing, it gets more interesting. I'm using dhclient (ISC DHCP) on OpenBSD 3.0. I upgraded to v3.0pl1. I tried numerous modifications to dhclient.conf. Nothing has worked for me yet. >:( I find that about a minute after dhclient gives up, I get a reponse like this: 1024493749.988229 sasdhcp01.ce1.attbb.net.bootps > 255.255.255.255.bootpc: xid:0xffffa090 flags:0x8000 Y:10.228.80.66 S:sasreg02.ce1.attbb.net G:10.228.80.1 ether 0:8:e:36:a0:90 [|bootp] (DF) (ttl 235, id 37888) Why am I getting a 10.x.x.x address? If I understand correctly, that's the network that the cable modems sit on. Why is my firewall getting that kind of address???????? I tried talking with the support people. I had them reprovision my modem several times. I verified all of the MAC addresses. I still don't understand WTF is going on. The support people have no way to get me to someone with more knowledge. Are there any other options? Qwest says my line doesn't qualify for DSL. I'm on the corner of I-35E and Highway 13. Nate (who now HATES AT&T) From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Jun 19 09:10:34 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B582@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I learned today that AT&T is no longer tracking Mac addresses of Nics. I had two nics registered 1 being a usb. I plugged the usb into the windows machine and called att. We went through the usual steps of multi reboots. The last step was to release and renew the ip lease. I noticed that the hostname is very different then it used to be. It used to be derivatived from the Mac address and now my hostname is jmiller1.ce1.client2.attbi.com. The first is the computer id and the last part is obviously at&t. John Miller Information Services Trade Clearance and Settlement Home Number 763-572-1215 mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Milam [mailto:chuck@redroot.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:00 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Ryan Ware wrote: > Screw nics, put a cable modem router in front of your pc. The d-link > and linksys will be whatever mac address you want them to be. You can change the MAC address of most modern nics in your Linux box like so (filling in the values appropriate for your situation, replace the "??" with the MAC address you need, of course): [root@youboxnamehere] ifconfig eth0 hw ether ??:??:??:??:?? I used to do this for quite some time, until I broke down and bought a Linksys. Been very happy with it. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 19 09:53:26 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "blacklisting" in modem log Message-ID: <3D109765.10009@tc.umn.edu> What does it mean when you get "blacklisting" in the log as the modem is trying to connect? I have been frustrated/disappointed by the amount of time it takes for the modem to connect - nearly three minutes - and never getting more then 26400 connection speed. So last night I thought I'd try changing different settings to see what would happen and aside from no improvements I called it quits when this message kept coming up. I have a 56k external modem and I'm using Mandrake-Linux 8.2. Btw, thanks Real-Time.com (Nate and Bob) for making copies for me. I appreciate it very much. Any help on what I can do to tweak the modem or whatever I need to do would be great. I connect to the U's modem pool and when I called the help line and mentioned that I was using Linux I got a big "huuuuhhhh...." - I figured that was pretty much the end of that conversation at that point. From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jun 19 10:13:57 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question Message-ID: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> I have an old IBM Thinkpad 380 laptop that I am trying to build up to use as my firewall. I have successfully installed Debian Potato, but am running into a slight problem. On startup, it appears that it's trying to start the networking services before the PCMCIA services. Naturally, this won't work. In order to get the NIC's to pick up their correct address, I have to do a networking restart. Then things work fine. Any ideas on how to switch the startup order of these Thanks! -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Jun 19 10:26:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B582@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020619100850.O90597-100000@tcfreenet.org> Since you are talking to them, maybe they still *are* tracking your NIC. Or maybe they override the NIC tracking sometimes. Just because the name doesn't match.... does it really mean they aren't tracking your MAC address? Mine is derived from the IP address. Perhaps that's what my dhcpclient sends as a machine name? How could THAT be? Maybe it's a default. >host zz.yy.xx.www www.xx.yy.zz.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer c-zz-yy-xx-www.mn.client2.attbi.com It could be that I'm not re-provisioned yet, too. If nothing breaks we won't know that it's changed, will we? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Miller, John wrote: > I learned today that AT&T is no longer tracking Mac addresses of Nics. > I had two nics registered 1 being a usb. I plugged the usb into the > windows machine and called att. We went through the usual steps of > multi reboots. The last step was to release and renew the ip lease. > I noticed that the hostname is very different then it used to be. It > used to be derivatived from the Mac address and now my hostname is > jmiller1.ce1.client2.attbi.com. The first is the computer id and the > last part is obviously at&t. > > John Miller From theixian at hotmail.com Wed Jun 19 11:01:03 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "blacklisting" in modem log Message-ID: >What does it mean when you get "blacklisting" in the log as the modem is >trying to connect? Not sure about that one. >I have been frustrated/disappointed by the amount of time it takes for the >modem to connect - nearly three minutes - and never getting more then 26400 >connection speed. You may want to try putting something like this for the CONNECT line in your pppscript: CONNECT 56000/ARQ/V90/MNP/MNP5 This sets up the v.90 protocols. I was going around and around myself a while back and I finally figured it out by looking at the windows modem .inf files for my modem...sad I know but it was the only help I could find (see signature). anyway, hope that helps --- Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shattner, Airplane II --- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Jun 19 11:02:41 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B583@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I asked the guy at ATT if they needed to reenter my mac address. He said they are not tracking that and that this "upgrade" eliminates the need for that. To test it out I swapped the cable to a different nic on the windows pc and released and renewed the ips and everything is working. The guy also had me go to 24.34.242.9 to reaquire(?) my modem. After that and renewing the ip leases everything was fine. John Miller Information Services Trade Clearance and Settlement Home Number 763-572-1215 mailto:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Skerbitz [mailto:gsker@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:16 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Since you are talking to them, maybe they still *are* tracking your NIC. Or maybe they override the NIC tracking sometimes. Just because the name doesn't match.... does it really mean they aren't tracking your MAC address? Mine is derived from the IP address. Perhaps that's what my dhcpclient sends as a machine name? How could THAT be? Maybe it's a default. >host zz.yy.xx.www www.xx.yy.zz.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer c-zz-yy-xx-www.mn.client2.attbi.com It could be that I'm not re-provisioned yet, too. If nothing breaks we won't know that it's changed, will we? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Miller, John wrote: > I learned today that AT&T is no longer tracking Mac addresses of Nics. > I had two nics registered 1 being a usb. I plugged the usb into the > windows machine and called att. We went through the usual steps of > multi reboots. The last step was to release and renew the ip lease. > I noticed that the hostname is very different then it used to be. It > used to be derivatived from the Mac address and now my hostname is > jmiller1.ce1.client2.attbi.com. The first is the computer id and the > last part is obviously at&t. > > John Miller _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 19 11:03:58 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1072.129.191.33.195.1024502139.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> > I have an old IBM Thinkpad 380 laptop that I am trying to build up to > use as my firewall. I have successfully installed Debian Potato, but > am running into a slight problem. On startup, it appears that it's > trying to start the networking services before the PCMCIA services. > Naturally, this won't work. In order to get the NIC's to pick up > their correct address, I have to do a networking restart. Then things > work fine. > > Any ideas on how to switch the startup order of these > > Thanks! > -Erik If you look in /etc/init.d/rcX.d, where X is your multiuser runlevel (which I'm pretty sure is 3, but maybe I'm wrong on that), you will see a mess of symlinks to shell scripts, e.g., S05init, S40inetd, S99pcmica, et cetera. When you enter the multiuser runlevel (e.g., when you get done with fsck and start system services during boot), the scripts in that directory which start with 'S' get run in order with the argument 'start'. When you leave that runlevel, the scripts which start with 'K' get run in order with the argument 'stop'. Therefore, it is my guess that your installation somehow got those two scripts in the wrong order, e.g., S35pcmcia and S45network. To fix it all you have to do is 'mv S45network S30network' (as root, of course), and it *should* just work. This is also a useful place to look when you are trying to prune services off of a box (but I don't *want* to be an NFS, NTP, and print server!). Hope this helps! -- Chris Johnson Bidler From mike at jentges.net Wed Jun 19 11:21:08 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> <20020619134836.GA18522@refried.org> Message-ID: <001e01c217ab$468d5870$0696c7c7@victim> > understand WTF is going on. The support people have no way to get me to > someone with more knowledge. Are you serious? Oh lordy. That's a comforting thought! I'd ask to talk to their supervisor then or something. That is simply incredible. Since MSN is moving in on Qworst, what do you suppose is really happening here? -mj From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 19 11:41:11 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1072.129.191.33.195.1024502139.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> References: <1072.129.191.33.195.1024502139.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <1085.129.191.33.195.1024503931.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Good *gawd*, do I need to proofread more before clicking on 'send'. Here's a corrected version of this paragraph: > Therefore, it is my guess that your installation somehow got those two > scripts in the wrong order, e.g., S35*NETWORK* and S45*PCMCIA*. To fix it > all you have to do is 'mv S45*PCMICA* S30*PCMCIA*' (as root, of course), > and it *should* just work. I guess that's what I get for trying to answer an email and put out fires at work at the same time. :) > Chris Johnson Bidler From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jun 19 12:18:47 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1072.129.191.33.195.1024502139.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> References: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> <1072.129.191.33.195.1024502139.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <1024503524.3d10aee484f51@webmail.andersonfam.org> Thanks, Chris. I tried doing this last night, but when I rebooted, got some wierd error messages. I'll try again tonight and see how things go. -Erik Quoting cbidler@innominatus.com: > > I have an old IBM Thinkpad 380 laptop that I am trying to build up to > > use as my firewall. I have successfully installed Debian Potato, but > > am running into a slight problem. On startup, it appears that it's > > trying to start the networking services before the PCMCIA services. > > Naturally, this won't work. In order to get the NIC's to pick up > > their correct address, I have to do a networking restart. Then things > > work fine. > > > > Any ideas on how to switch the startup order of these > > > > Thanks! > > -Erik > > If you look in /etc/init.d/rcX.d, where X is your multiuser runlevel (which > I'm pretty sure is 3, but maybe I'm wrong on that), you will see a mess of > symlinks to shell scripts, e.g., S05init, S40inetd, S99pcmica, et cetera. > > When you enter the multiuser runlevel (e.g., when you get done with fsck > and > start system services during boot), the scripts in that directory which > start with 'S' get run in order with the argument 'start'. When you leave > that runlevel, the scripts which start with 'K' get run in order with the > argument 'stop'. > > Therefore, it is my guess that your installation somehow got those two > scripts in the wrong order, e.g., S35pcmcia and S45network. To fix it all > you have to do is 'mv S45network S30network' (as root, of course), and it > *should* just work. > > This is also a useful place to look when you are trying to prune services > off of a box (but I don't *want* to be an NFS, NTP, and print server!). > > Hope this helps! > > -- > Chris Johnson Bidler > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 19 12:37:30 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <001e01c217ab$468d5870$0696c7c7@victim> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Mike Jentges wrote: > Are you serious? Oh lordy. That's a comforting thought! > I'd ask to talk to their supervisor then or something. That is simply > incredible. With the larger providers I can believe that getting intelligent support is a tedious task. Usually the local ISPs are more willing to hand the phone off to a sysadmin, whereas the larger support centers won't do anything remotely like that. Did you try calling Mac support? Usually they have a better idea of what's going on behind the scenes more than the Windows folks. > Since MSN is moving in on Qworst, what do you suppose is really happening > here? Charter Pipeline is now MSN also. I feel dirty getting my bandwidth from them, but in the aprtment I'm in I don't have many options :-(. -Brian From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jun 19 12:56:02 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1085.129.191.33.195.1024503931.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: Okay - I'm confused now: Here's the scoop on my rc files: rc0.d has: K89pcmcia S35networking rc1.d : K89pcmcia rc2-5.d : S11pcmcia rc6.d : K89pcmcia S35networking rcS.d : (what runlevel is this???) S40networking I guess on all the other linux systems I've worked on, I've never seen rcS.d before. What is it? -Erik On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, cbidler@innominatus.com wrote: > Good *gawd*, do I need to proofread more before clicking on 'send'. > Here's a corrected version of this paragraph: > > Therefore, it is my guess that your installation somehow got those two > > scripts in the wrong order, e.g., S35*NETWORK* and S45*PCMCIA*. To fix it > > all you have to do is 'mv S45*PCMICA* S30*PCMCIA*' (as root, of course), > > and it *should* just work. > > I guess that's what I get for trying to answer an email and put out fires at > work at the same time. :) > > > Chris Johnson Bidler > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 19 14:17:21 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org>; from erik@andersonfam.org on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 10:04:45AM -0500 References: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020619102943.M10820@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 10:04:45AM -0500, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > I have an old IBM Thinkpad 380 laptop that I am trying to build up to use as my > firewall. I have successfully installed Debian Potato, but am running into a > slight problem. On startup, it appears that it's trying to start the > networking services before the PCMCIA services. Naturally, this won't work. > In order to get the NIC's to pick up their correct address, I have to do a > networking restart. Then things work fine. > > Any ideas on how to switch the startup order of these You could mangle the links in /etc/init.d to change the order, but in reality the networking scripts should be managing non-pcmcia interfaces and the pcmcia interfaces should be configured via the scripts in /etc/pcmcia (when it detects eth0 via a pcmcia card it's supposed to run ifup eth0) > > Thanks! > -Erik > > > -- > Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 19 14:41:16 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219.129.191.33.195.1024515307.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> From myok at ogzr.org Wed Jun 19 14:41:44 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0FA8F8.7070202@ringworld.org> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <3D0F899A.8000502@umn.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619135617.01f345e0@mail.ogzr.org> At 04:41 PM 6/18/02 -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >People i know *not* using dhclient are fine sofar. I use a little >external router box that had no issues. I bet pump and dhcpcd both work >still too. > I can confirm that dhcpcd 1.3.18 on my Linux NAT box is pulling addresses properly. The AT&T cable modem itself got confused and had to be rebooted the morning they switched stuff, but that's the only issue I had. -- Carl Patten From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 19 14:44:37 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > Are you serious? Oh lordy. That's a comforting thought! > > I'd ask to talk to their supervisor then or something. That > is simply > > incredible. I was told by a certain high up ATT person that all the people who work for their cable modem division currently don't really give a shit about anything over there. Apparently there is some merger thing happening or something, and they are all just waiting to be laid off. Many people have already left, and the remaining ones are just doing a half-assed job. He said that getting them to do anything that requires any amount of effort is nearly impossible. Comforting thought, since I have an ATT cable modem, which has been working terrible lately (periods of very slow connectivity and high latency). Jay From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jun 19 14:56:33 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <20020619102943.M10820@techmonkeys.org> References: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> <20020619102943.M10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1024516035.3d10dfc39bde9@webmail.andersonfam.org> Quoting "Matthew S. Hallacy" : > You could mangle the links in /etc/init.d to change the order, but in > reality the networking scripts should be managing non-pcmcia interfaces > and the pcmcia interfaces should be configured via the scripts in > /etc/pcmcia > (when it detects eth0 via a pcmcia card it's supposed to run ifup eth0) Ahh - I see. Makes sense. I'll check on /etc/pcmcia tonight. Thanks! -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From davjohn at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 19 15:00:31 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "blacklisting" in modem log In-Reply-To: <3D109765.10009@tc.umn.edu> References: <3D109765.10009@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1024501098.24306.5.camel@me.carboxylman.com> On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 09:38, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > What does it mean when you get "blacklisting" in the log as the modem is > trying to connect? Can't help you there. Can you give more details (what log, what program...)? > I have been frustrated/disappointed by the amount of time it takes for > the modem to connect - nearly three minutes - and never getting more > then 26400 connection speed. So last night I thought I'd try changing I've been forced to connect to the u by modem before and have never gotten more than around 26-28000bps. So I think that's about the max they allow. david From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 19 15:26:10 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "blacklisting" in modem log - using KPPP References: <3D109765.10009@tc.umn.edu> <1024501098.24306.5.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Message-ID: <3D10E53E.5080808@tc.umn.edu> I'm using KPPP in KDE. The log file is the one gened by KPPP itself - just clicking on the "Log" button on the tool. David Johnson wrote: >On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 09:38, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > >>What does it mean when you get "blacklisting" in the log as the modem is >>trying to connect? >> > >Can't help you there. Can you give more details (what log, what >program...)? > >>I have been frustrated/disappointed by the amount of time it takes for >>the modem to connect - nearly three minutes - and never getting more >>then 26400 connection speed. So last night I thought I'd try changing >> > >I've been forced to connect to the u by modem before and have never >gotten more than around 26-28000bps. So I think that's about the max >they allow. > >david > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > From bfriedman at excite.com Wed Jun 19 15:56:48 2002 From: bfriedman at excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Request for general help with RH 7.3 server Message-ID: <20020619203253.0AE6429A72@xmxpita.excite.com> I have been a developer for a long time, but am fairly new to the admin role. I have a machine at home that I need to use to host some nonprofit sites on (anyone else have friends that bug you about all things computer because they think you are a geek?!?!?! ;) Basic setup is a DSL line, cisco 678, and a small home lan (5 boxen) behind the router. I have been trying to weed through several O'Reilly's (BIND, firewalls, etc.), but I also have a 60+ hr/week programming job that I need to fit into my schedule. Already have sites registered, etc etc. But people are bugging me about getting them online. (One of the sites is for a historic 'art' moviehouse in my hometown. They used to show weird stuff like art films, and they really need a site to help with information and stuff - they hardly keep the place open as it is.) So what I'm looking for is someone that is familiar with general small server setup that could help to end my constant frustrations with named, iptables, and fun stuff like that. I don't need anything elaborate, just some basic solid setup help with several tools. I can provide ssh access to the box, or if you are close to Minneapolis, I live near Augsburg college (west bank area close to the U). Anytime is fine, evenings and weekends would be super. I know all linux hounds are into machines for the fun of it, but I know that I am asking for some help that will take a few hours, so I'm willing to compensate whoever might be able to help me (cash or hardware or whatever, but I'm not Bill Gates). I only get the digest, so if you might be interested, so please drop me an email at bfriedman@excite.com if you might be interested. Thanks, Brent Friedman ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any advice would be appreciated -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 19 16:12:18 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: DoS on irssi 0.8.4 Message-ID: <20020619205905.GC5217@rtfm.sistina.com> Just so you know.. ----- Forwarded message from Ripe ----- From: Ripe Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:07:58 +0200 To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com Subject: DoS on irssi 0.8.4 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.20 * DoS on irssi 0.8.4 (current version) * 1. Aplication description: Irssi is a modular IRC client for UNIX systems. It runs on text mode user interface, or on graphic mode user using GTK+. You can donwload irssi (and get more information about it) from official website, http://www.irssi.org 2. Problem description: The current version 0.8.4 has a little problem, that can crash it. A DoS is produced when join to chanel that contains a long topic with "\x1b\x5b\x30\x6d\x0d\x0a" at the end, or when youre on a chanel and someone change topic to it. 3. Patch: Irssi developers has been warned, and 0.8.5 will be released early. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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XP does Sees the shares on my NT machine just fine. > It would be nice if there was a quick fix, but it seems I need to upgrade > samba. (If I am wrong please correct me). > > I downloaded samba and tried to do a -U. This is what I get: > > [root@support admin]# rpm -U samba-2.2.4-2.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > samba = 2.0.10 is needed by samba-swat-2.0.10-2 > > > > I have forced -U --nodeps, but it will not install. > > > Any advice would be appreciated > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From davjohn at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 19 16:28:40 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "blacklisting" in modem log - using KPPP In-Reply-To: <3D10E53E.5080808@tc.umn.edu> References: <3D109765.10009@tc.umn.edu> <1024501098.24306.5.camel@me.carboxylman.com> <3D10E53E.5080808@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1024521511.26686.1.camel@me.carboxylman.com> I looked around on google a bit and was unable to find anything. As a last resort, you could always read the source... d On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 15:10, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > I'm using KPPP in KDE. The log file is the one gened by KPPP itself - > just clicking on the "Log" button on the tool. > > David Johnson wrote: > > >On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 09:38, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > > >>What does it mean when you get "blacklisting" in the log as the modem is > >>trying to connect? > >> > > > >Can't help you there. Can you give more details (what log, what > >program...)? > > > >>I have been frustrated/disappointed by the amount of time it takes for > >>the modem to connect - nearly three minutes - and never getting more > >>then 26400 connection speed. So last night I thought I'd try changing > >> > > > >I've been forced to connect to the u by modem before and have never > >gotten more than around 26-28000bps. So I think that's about the max > >they allow. > > > >david > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 19 16:29:11 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have been trying to get my Xp machine to work with samba on my > RedHat box, but to no avail. XP does Sees the shares on my NT machine > just fine. It would be nice if there was a quick fix, but it seems I > need to upgrade samba. (If I am wrong please correct me). Probably isn't a requirement, but it'd certainly be the easiest way to get things going. You'll either have to upgrade the SWAT package along with samba, or uninstall SWAT first. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 19 16:36:02 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Request for general help with RH 7.3 server In-Reply-To: <20020619203253.0AE6429A72@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20020619203253.0AE6429A72@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: "bfriedman@excite.com" writes: > I have been a developer for a long time, but am fairly new to the > admin role. I have a machine at home that I need to use to host > some nonprofit sites on (anyone else have friends that bug you about > all things computer because they think you are a geek?!?!?! ;) That's a lot like me, though I moved my Fidonet BBS to Linux before around 1993 and put my own server up on the web sometime after that (but before domain registration cost money). Which may mean I'm not your best source of help, too. [snip] > So what I'm looking for is someone that is familiar with general > small server setup that could help to end my constant frustrations > with named, iptables, and fun stuff like that. I don't need > anything elaborate, just some basic solid setup help with several > tools. Although I don't at the moment have a job dragging down my schedule, I still find myself pretty busy. But this sounds like *exactly* the environment I've been running for a few years now (well, okay, it's a Cisco 675 over here). Running named, iptables, apache, email, and such, for a few dozen virtual domains. So I'll try to help, if you don't get a better offer. We should probably take the details to email, or phone if you want (I'm listed, and in whois for that matter). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From linux at bmetzler.org Wed Jun 19 16:39:21 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1024522293.2452.34.camel@client10> On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 14:49, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have been trying to get my Xp machine to work with samba on my RedHat > box, but to no avail. XP does Sees the shares on my NT machine just fine. > It would be nice if there was a quick fix, but it seems I need to upgrade > samba. (If I am wrong please correct me). > > I downloaded samba and tried to do a -U. This is what I get: > > [root@support admin]# rpm -U samba-2.2.4-2.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > samba = 2.0.10 is needed by samba-swat-2.0.10-2 > I just double-checked my print/file server: # smbd -V Version 2.0.5a On my other workstation: # /usr/sbin/smbd -V Version 2.2.1a My users of XP Pro have no problems seeing it, printing to it, or saving to it. Really, the only difference that I see is that with 2.0.5 you need to specify the full sharename (\\server\share) because they don't show up when you do just \\server. But since the users want them mapped to My Network Places, it really isn't a big deal. And it might be a .conf setting, but since no one needs that ability I haven't bothered checking into it. I remember a story a long time ago that XP was suppose to be incompatible, but in my case that hasn't been so. In more recent history, I seem to have this faint memory that I've had problems with Samba too, but I think that was with Windows ME. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 19 16:48:20 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020619212820.GE5217@rtfm.sistina.com> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's available at all of the usual places (Amazon, etc.), but it's also available as a .pdf (well, a collection of .pdf files) from the O'Reilly website: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/indexpdf.html Jeff On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have been trying to get my Xp machine to work with samba on my RedHat > box, but to no avail. XP does Sees the shares on my NT machine just fine. > It would be nice if there was a quick fix, but it seems I need to upgrade > samba. (If I am wrong please correct me). > > I downloaded samba and tried to do a -U. This is what I get: > > [root@support admin]# rpm -U samba-2.2.4-2.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > samba = 2.0.10 is needed by samba-swat-2.0.10-2 > > > > I have forced -U --nodeps, but it will not install. > > > Any advice would be appreciated > > From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Jun 19 17:01:06 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <20020619211416.GB4025@botwerks.org> References: <20020619211416.GB4025@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <2508.204.220.56.2.1024519059.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > > are you failing to authentication to the share that you're exporting? > there are some issues with the authentication mechanisms that are used > by NT 4.0 SP-foo and later where you either need to use a different > password mechanism (a variant of digest iirc) or you need to tell the > windows box to use a different format on the wire. this is in the faq. I am using the same account and password I use from my NT box The XP box sees the samba box in a search by IP, but it cannot see shares. If I do a net use command It says: "No service is operating at the destination network endpoint on the remote system" The XP box can see shares on NT, and NT can see the XP, and samba shares. From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Wed Jun 19 18:26:15 2002 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem recommendation Message-ID: <20020619153305.27372.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> For two years I've cursed the phone wiring in my new house, and in St Louis Park in general, because I couldn't connect at above 28.8kbps. Then for no reason I decided to look at my modem manufacturer's site and discover that two years ago my modem was recalled :( . So now I'm looking for a good quality (not making that mistake again) modem that works with Linux, ideally doesn't require external power (may need to use in the UK) and can sneak under my wife's expenditure radar. Any suggestions? Cheers, Paul From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Jun 19 18:34:59 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick job oportunity for someone Message-ID: <00000dd503111007d2@[172.29.97.10]> I grabbed this off the Twin Cities PHP users group. Some of you may be able to help this person out. Do not reply to me, I don't need help. Well, not from anyone without a strong background in psychiatry anyway:) Here is the pertinent info. Address to send to is in the body. I have been a developer for a long time, but am fairly new to the admin role. I have a machine at home that I need to use to host some nonprofit sites on (anyone else have friends that bug you about all things computer because they think you are a geek?!?!?! ;) Basic setup is a DSL line, cisco 678, and a small home lan (5 boxen) behind the router. I have been trying to weed through several O'Reilly's (BIND, firewalls, etc.), but I also have a 60+ hr/week programming job that I need to fit into my schedule. Already have sites registered, etc etc. But people are bugging me about getting them online. (One of the sites is for a historic 'art' moviehouse in my hometown. They used to show weird stuff like art films, and they really need a site to help with information and stuff - they hardly keep the place open as it is.) So what I'm looking for is someone that is familiar with general small server setup that could help to end my constant frustrations with named, iptables, and fun stuff like that. I don't need anything elaborate, just some basic solid setup help with several tools. I can provide ssh access to the box, or if you are close to Minneapolis, I live near Augsburg college (west bank area close to the U). Anytime is fine, evenings and weekends would be super. I know all linux hounds are into machines for the fun of it, but I know that I am asking for some help that will take a few hours, so I'm willing to compensate whoever might be able to help me (cash or hardware or whatever, but I'm not Bill Gates). I only get the digest, so if you might be interested, so please drop me an email at bfriedman@excite.com if you might be interested. Thanks, Brent Friedman _____ Join Excite! - The most personalized portal on the Web! IPC 2002 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 19 18:46:11 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <1024522293.2452.34.camel@client10> References: <2309.204.220.56.2.1024516152.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <1024522293.2452.34.camel@client10> Message-ID: <20020619221119.GA6765@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 04:31:33PM -0500, Brent Metzler wrote: > >I remember a story a long time ago that XP was suppose to be >incompatible, but in my case that hasn't been so. In more recent >history, I seem to have this faint memory that I've had problems with >Samba too, but I think that was with Windows ME. MS keeps changing the RPC calls and the samba team keeps working around it. The latest issue is the SignOrSeal "bug" which is easily fixed by changing a single bit in the reg (See the reg key in my prev post). Silly M$. But as I said, I believe this is all only an issue when using Samba PDC. It's a matter of the trust relationship failing between client and server. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020619/841a271a/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 19 19:05:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A64@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Why is this OT? It's about linux. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Overby [mailto:xpoverby@attbi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:36 PM > To: tclug > Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows > > > Apparently Lindows has been released > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-936752.html > > > Apparently the judge has decided that windows is a generic > term not a specific product descriptor owned by Microsoft. > What a relief. http://www.net2.com/Reconsideration_Denied.pdf > > -- > Paul Overby > xpoverby@attbi.com > phone: 651-681-8084 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 19 20:15:06 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem recommendation In-Reply-To: <20020619153305.27372.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> References: <20020619153305.27372.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20020620011943.GA4008@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Paul Harris wrote: >For two years I've cursed the phone wiring in my new house, >and in St Louis Park in general, because I couldn't connect >at above 28.8kbps. Then for no reason I decided to look at >my modem manufacturer's site and discover that two years ago >my modem was recalled :( . So now I'm looking for a good >quality (not making that mistake again) modem that works >with Linux, ideally doesn't require external power (may need >to use in the UK) and can sneak under my wife's expenditure Is this a desktop or a laptop? -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020619/efe508ab/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 19 22:09:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 02:22:42PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020619180146.O10820@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 02:22:42PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I was told by a certain high up ATT person that all the people who work for > their cable modem division currently don't really give a shit about anything > over there. Apparently there is some merger thing happening or something, > and they are all just waiting to be laid off. Many people have already > left, and the remaining ones are just doing a half-assed job. He said that > getting them to do anything that requires any amount of effort is nearly > impossible. And this is different how? I've always had mildly crappy service. > Comforting thought, since I have an ATT cable modem, which has > been working terrible lately (periods of very slow connectivity and high > latency). Let me guess, about 5pm until midnight, ~300-500ms latency, kind of like this: Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 2. c-24-118-252-1.mn.client2.attbi.com 0% 57 57 12 11 16 61 3. bar01-f5-1-0.invehe1.mn.attbb.net 0% 57 57 12 11 16 39 4. bar01-p0-0.newphe1.mn.attbb.net 0% 57 57 13 11 15 26 5. bar01-p4-1-0.aftohe1.mn.attbb.net 0% 57 57 12 12 17 51 6. 24.31.1.193 0% 56 57 207 182 226 266 7. 24.31.2.105 0% 56 57 206 180 227 285 8. 24.31.2.81 0% 56 57 207 178 227 302 9. 12.126.248.117 0% 56 56 211 176 227 280 seems to ramp up as the night progresses until about midnight when it starts to die off. I talked to a local NOC guy, he didn't seem to care 'All we're selling is connectivity, not good service' seems to be AT&T's motto. > Jay -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 19 22:12:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1024542099.3052.141.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 17:41, Brady Hegberg wrote: > Changing the subject slightly. Is anyone aware of being able to run > Oracle Discoverer on Linux? Discoverer supposedly requires IE or > Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. > > For some reason running Discoverer to edit Oracle reports in IE causes > my Win2K box to freeze every 10 minutes or so. I'll see if I can get Discoverer going under Wine, though I probably won't have much luck. However, I just thought I'd point out Toad (yet another DBA tool for Oracle). Probably not something you're looking for. However, my boss went to a talk with one of the lead developers a month or so ago. Apparently he's a big Linux guy, but has done development on the software in Windows, though with whatever the Windows version of Kylix is (Delphi? I forget..), so it should be possible to port to Linux quickly. I guess the company is just waiting for companies to start asking for N copies of it, though I hear it's not cheap.. http://www.toadsoft.com/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "You can't tell me what / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sucks!" -- Beavis \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd hate to break the chain :) -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Jun 19 22:12:47 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: <20020620021149.VKGP22645.out007.verizon.net@Wvtstcta> References: <20020620021149.VKGP22645.out007.verizon.net@Wvtstcta> Message-ID: <02061921560500.13743@nancy> Uh, Thanks. This viri? Suppose I could see if it is Wine compatable. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Wednesday 19 June 2002 21:11, you wrote: ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: audio/x-midi; name="BORDER.pif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: /; name="Attachment: 2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="rosie-prem-1stan" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Jun 19 22:30:08 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <20020619221119.GA6765@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020619221119.GA6765@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1104.63.164.68.163.1024539505.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I finally got samba 2.2.5-1 installed, as per the replies I removed samba- common, samba-swat, and samba-client. Now I want to install new versions. I am looking around, but don't see any rpms newer then what I was using (2.0.10). Are there newer ones available? If not I am not sure why rpm -i samba-2.2.5-1 was complaining about version dependencies. From bneigebauer at attbi.com Wed Jun 19 22:30:40 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: <1024542525.2452.79.camel@client10> Message-ID: I got it Outlook, but it was blank and I didn't open it...... Could this be a problem? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brent Metzler Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:09 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent Look! Klez!! --=-1Y0apV7dISCVPmgNMMXd Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: Content-Type: audio/x-midi; NAME=BORDER.pif Shucks, didn't infect Evolution. Maybe I should forward it to some Outlook users manually. I'd hate to break the chain :) -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 19 22:47:02 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <1024542099.3052.141.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1024542099.3052.141.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <1024543948.3054.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 22:01, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 17:41, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > Changing the subject slightly. Is anyone aware of being able to run > > Oracle Discoverer on Linux? Discoverer supposedly requires IE or > > Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. [snip] > I'll see if I can get Discoverer going under Wine, though I probably > won't have much luck. I just installed Discoverer 4.0 -- seemed to go alright, though the installer appeared to hang halfway through (it picked up again after a few minutes). I'm away from my office at the moment, though, so I can't try connecting to anything. Getting it to communicate with IE would probably be a trick -- if you need that, I'd suggest trying CrossOver Office. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ To err is human. To moo / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bovine. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No idea, but it's cool that my name got forged for the virus. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 00:26:37 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: <02061921560500.13743@nancy> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > Uh, Thanks. This viri? Suppose I could see if it is Wine compatable. yup, it's good 'ol klez, our favorite spoofing virus. i'm honored.. someone's got me in their mailing list. 8-) looks like it came from verizon's network.. originated at 151.204.123.55. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mike at jentges.net Thu Jun 20 01:31:07 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A64@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <002e01c21820$a87c8c70$0696c7c7@victim> > > > > Apparently the judge has decided that windows is a generic > > term not a specific product descriptor owned by Microsoft. > > What a relief. http://www.net2.com/Reconsideration_Denied.pdf Imagine the potential stress to the telemarketers. "Vinyl siding and **ndows, at the one time special price of..." -MJ > > -- > > Paul Overby > > xpoverby@attbi.com > > phone: 651-681-8084 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Jun 20 01:46:00 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat In-Reply-To: <1024543948.3054.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <20020618090043.C1447@real-time.com> <20020618152021.GB4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <1024440090.20021.382.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1024542099.3052.141.camel@3po.dhs.org> <1024543948.3054.152.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <1024551923.22984.246.camel@localhost.localdomain> Interesting, thanks for the info. Funny isn't it that getting the Windows application running is apparently easier than getting the Java version working. Brady > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 22:01, Mike Hicks wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 17:41, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > Changing the subject slightly. Is anyone aware of being able to run > > > Oracle Discoverer on Linux? Discoverer supposedly requires IE or > > > Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. > [snip] > > I'll see if I can get Discoverer going under Wine, though I probably > > won't have much luck. > > I just installed Discoverer 4.0 -- seemed to go alright, though the > installer appeared to hang halfway through (it picked up again after a > few minutes). I'm away from my office at the moment, though, so I can't > try connecting to anything. > > Getting it to communicate with IE would probably be a trick -- if you > need that, I'd suggest trying CrossOver Office. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ To err is human. To moo > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bovine. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Jun 20 06:35:03 2002 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Recommendation Message-ID: <20020620041343.3709.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> It's a desktop - initially a 350MHz AMD, due to upgrade to an Athlon XP in a few months. ---- > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Modem recommendation > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Paul Harris wrote: > >For two years I've cursed the phone wiring in my new house, > >and in St Louis Park in general, because I couldn't connect > >at above 28.8kbps. Then for no reason I decided to look at > >my modem manufacturer's site and discover that two years ago > >my modem was recalled :( . So now I'm looking for a good > >quality (not making that mistake again) modem that works > >with Linux, ideally doesn't require external power (may need > >to use in the UK) and can sneak under my wife's expenditure > > Is this a desktop or a laptop? From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Thu Jun 20 07:16:00 2002 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat Message-ID: Along the lines of Toad, there's also TOra (sourceforge.net/projects/tora) which runs under the mighty penguin... > ---------- > From: Mike Hicks[SMTP:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] oracle and redhat > > On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 17:41, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > Changing the subject slightly. Is anyone aware of being able to run > > Oracle Discoverer on Linux? Discoverer supposedly requires IE or > > Netscape with a plugin but maybe someone's found a way around that. > > > > For some reason running Discoverer to edit Oracle reports in IE causes > > my Win2K box to freeze every 10 minutes or so. > > I'll see if I can get Discoverer going under Wine, though I probably > won't have much luck. > > However, I just thought I'd point out Toad (yet another DBA tool for > Oracle). Probably not something you're looking for. However, my boss > went to a talk with one of the lead developers a month or so ago. > Apparently he's a big Linux guy, but has done development on the > software in Windows, though with whatever the Windows version of Kylix > is (Delphi? I forget..), so it should be possible to port to Linux > quickly. I guess the company is just waiting for companies to start > asking for N copies of it, though I hear it's not cheap.. > > http://www.toadsoft.com/ > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "You can't tell me what > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sucks!" -- Beavis > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Jun 20 08:28:01 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024579094.2452.96.camel@client10> On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 22:31, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I got it Outlook, but it was blank and I didn't open it...... > > > Could this be a problem? > Nah, it couldn't be a problem, could it? I just couldn't believe that Microsoft would let its users be infected in that manner. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0199 | ICQ: 43952639 From amy at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 08:49:18 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Don't want to break anything In-Reply-To: <1104.63.164.68.163.1024539505.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:18:25PM -0500 References: <20020619221119.GA6765@rtfm.sistina.com> <1104.63.164.68.163.1024539505.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020620083216.B1449@real-time.com> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:18:25PM -0500, Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us) wrote: > I finally got samba 2.2.5-1 installed, as per the replies I removed samba- > common, samba-swat, and samba-client. Now I want to install new versions. I > am looking around, but don't see any rpms newer then what I was using > (2.0.10). Are there newer ones available? If not I am not sure why rpm -i > samba-2.2.5-1 was complaining about version dependencies. It complained because the version of samba-swat you had installed required the version of samba you had installed. Upgrading samba would break samba-swat. I do see 2.2.5-1 RPMs of samba-swat, samba-common, and samba-client on rpmfind.net. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Debian systems default to runlevel 2 and configure all runlevels from 2-5 identically. > This is also a useful place to look when you are trying to prune services > off of a box (but I don't *want* to be an NFS, NTP, and print server!). apt-get remove, man. apt-get remove. (Or dpkg -r or dpkg -P. Or rpm -e. But, in any case, if you never want to run the service, why keep it installed?) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 09:39:13 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / PCMCIA question In-Reply-To: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <1024499085.3d109d8dea2d5@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020620093256.A7045@gordo.space.umn.edu> Also, take a look at the netenv package. Its quite useful for setting up a laptop for different setting for the different networks you might use it on. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jun 20 13:19:04 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B09@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Starting next week, Lindows will be replaced with Mandrake 8.2. Mandrake has a press release on their site, and it was in their recent newsletter. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jentges [mailto:mike@jentges.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows > > > > > > > > > Apparently the judge has decided that windows is a > generic term not > > > a specific product descriptor owned by Microsoft. What a relief. > > > http://www.net2.com/Reconsideration_Denied.pdf > > Imagine the potential stress to the telemarketers. "Vinyl > siding and **ndows, at the one time special price of..." > > -MJ > > > > > -- > > > Paul Overby > > > xpoverby@attbi.com > > > phone: 651-681-8084 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at refried.org Thu Jun 20 13:53:57 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020620185220.GA20754@refried.org> Last night Scott Dier relayed a fix on IRC. I haven't seen his post yet, so I'll post the fix myself. Many thanks to Scott's coworker who figured it out. It boils down to AT&T changing their network layout such that the DHCP server is a long ways from customers in Minnesota. It might be as far as Denver. ISC DHCP (dhclient) sets the maximum hops to 16, which isn't far enough in this case. OpenBSD uses dhclient. dhcpcd (Linux only) allows for 64 hops. I didn't pay enough attention to my tcpdump output to notice what Windows uses. Anyway, here is the patch. It should apply to the ISC tarball, but this diff is against the OpenBSD 3.1 source tarball. ash# diff -u /usr/src/usr.sbin/dhcp/common/packet.c{.orig,} --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/dhcp/common/packet.c.orig Thu Jun 20 13:36:36 2002 +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/dhcp/common/packet.c Thu Jun 20 07:39:01 2002 @@ -146,7 +146,7 @@ ip.ip_len = htons(sizeof(ip) + sizeof(udp) + len); ip.ip_id = 0; ip.ip_off = 0; - ip.ip_ttl = 16; + ip.ip_ttl = 128; ip.ip_p = IPPROTO_UDP; ip.ip_sum = 0; ip.ip_src.s_addr = from; -- Nate From amy at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 15:53:41 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux Message-ID: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun Enterprise 3500) that I'd like to put linux on. I was thinking debian would probably be my best choice, since all our other workstations are redhat using APT. The boxes are out of state and I'd like to do the install remotely if possible. I can probably get someone at the other end to put in a boot floppy/CD as needed, but I'd like the process automated if possible. I use RedHat's kickstart for all our other linux boxes and would like to do something similar. Since I'm not familiar with debian OR sparc, can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020620/4afd7d0a/attachment.pgp From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Jun 20 16:20:51 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Walmart now offering Lindows References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A64@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D125F57.600@attbi.com> I was afraid people would think it was about Walmart. Remeber the last time Walmart and OS were mentioned in the same email Austad, Jay wrote: >Why is this OT? It's about linux. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Overby [mailto:xpoverby@attbi.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:36 PM >>To: tclug >>Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows >> >> >>Apparently Lindows has been released >>http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-936752.html >> >> >>Apparently the judge has decided that windows is a generic >>term not a specific product descriptor owned by Microsoft. >>What a relief. http://www.net2.com/Reconsideration_Denied.pdf >> >>-- >>Paul Overby >>xpoverby@attbi.com >>phone: 651-681-8084 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. >>Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 16:36:49 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux In-Reply-To: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> References: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020620160959.A10000@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 03:42:51PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun Enterprise 3500) > that I'd like to put linux on. I was thinking debian would probably be > my best choice, since all our other workstations are redhat using APT. > The boxes are out of state and I'd like to do the install remotely > if possible. I can probably get someone at the other end to put in a > boot floppy/CD as needed, but I'd like the process automated if possible. > I use RedHat's kickstart for all our other linux boxes and would like to > do something similar. I run Debian on Sparc and the places you'll want to start looking on the Debian Sparc port page[1]. As for kickstart like alternatives on Debian, there's an article on this topic up right now on Debian Planet [2]. I have never done it myself, but it sounds like you might want to look into FAI[3]. 1. http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ 2. http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?thold=0&mode=nested&order=2&sid=697 3. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From klinej at msoe.edu Thu Jun 20 16:41:07 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024608129.26631.33.camel@tranquility> Nate, You realize only a Unix/Linux geek would think it's kewl their name got spoofed on a winblows worm right? On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:16, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On 19 Jun 2002, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Is this some sort of browser-based JavaScript worm? > > No idea, but it's cool that my name got forged for the virus. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 16:59:04 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: <1024608129.26631.33.camel@tranquility> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 2002, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > Nate, You realize only a Unix/Linux geek would think it's kewl their > name got spoofed on a winblows worm right? heh, nah, i'm just weird. ask carl. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From john at krwc1360.com Thu Jun 20 17:40:13 2002 From: john at krwc1360.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring Message-ID: <3D11E478.5000800@krwc1360.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >Oh; are your "4" and "5" for a 9-pin or a 25-pin connector? Since >they're RTS and CTS on 25-pin, I'm guessing that's what you mean. >That's what I tried, anyway. Yes that was for 25 pin. I'm out of ideas. John From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 20 17:40:50 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 12:18:19AM -0500 References: <02061921560500.13743@nancy> Message-ID: <20020620083511.P10820@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 12:18:19AM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > yup, it's good 'ol klez, our favorite spoofing virus. > > i'm honored.. someone's got me in their mailing list. 8-) > > looks like it came from verizon's network.. originated at 151.204.123.55. It's from the same person that we got an email from last month.. posing as Bob, looks like Klez dislikes real-time people =) > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 17:48:30 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <20020620185220.GA20754@refried.org> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> <20020620185220.GA20754@refried.org> Message-ID: <1024612946.9737.11.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 13:52, nate@refried.org wrote: > Last night Scott Dier relayed a fix on IRC. I haven't seen his post > yet, so I'll post the fix myself. Many thanks to Scott's coworker who > figured it out. > > It boils down to AT&T changing their network layout such that the DHCP > server is a long ways from customers in Minnesota. It might be as far > as Denver. ISC DHCP (dhclient) sets the maximum hops to 16, which isn't > far enough in this case. OpenBSD uses dhclient. dhcpcd (Linux only) > allows for 64 hops. I didn't pay enough attention to my tcpdump output > to notice what Windows uses. I don't use AT&T, so I can't really test, but something like this should probably have the same effect: /sbin/iptables -t mangle -I OUTPUT -p udp --dport bootps -j TTL --ttl-set 64 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Belief means not wanting to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ know what is true. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020620/20c08a64/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Jun 20 17:59:25 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. Message-ID: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Well, i guess this isint too off topic, as it applies to people who use linux their job, but mostly re: your jobs. I moved here from boston, and am kinda outta touch of the tech scene here. Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* average at 10 days. Sheesh. thanks for your input. duncan From linux at dougsweb.net Thu Jun 20 18:25:02 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <1024597136.20268.3.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> As far as the salary goes, check out www.salary.com. But I imagine that ~$60k/year is about right (I could be wrong, I'm not a linux sysadmin). Personally I have 10 days a year, plus 2 floating holidays, for a total of 12, and I think I'm below average too... Doug On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 22:42, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Well, i guess this isint too off topic, as it applies to people who use > linux their job, but mostly re: your jobs. > > I moved here from boston, and am kinda outta touch of the tech scene here. > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. > > Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off > a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* > average at 10 days. Sheesh. > > thanks for your input. > > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Jun 20 18:38:03 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lindows or Mandrake References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B09@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D128080.60402@attbi.com> Can you say more. I went to Mandrakes site but all I found was the same link I forwarded in my original email Walmart now offering Lindows. Austad, Jay wrote: >Starting next week, Lindows will be replaced with Mandrake 8.2. Mandrake >has a press release on their site, and it was in their recent newsletter. > >Jay > -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 19:17:06 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. Message-ID: <1024617695.9926.72.camel@3po.dhs.org> I've been playing around with FreeS/WAN on a few of the Linux boxes I own or admin. I was amazed when I actually got a connection or two to work. I'm still having some problems, though, and I figured someone else has attacked the problem before. First off is the big problem of NAT boxes. We have a wireless network, and a box firewalling it. Does anyone have a good idea of what has to be done to get IPSec going through it (from a NATed client to a host elsewhere with a real IP)? Is it just a few iptables rules, or more complicated than that? Working along a different tack, I just installed FreeS/WAN on the firewall itself. It has a signed certificate from Thawte for the web sign-on page it uses, and I was wondering if it's possible to use that same cert for IPsec. If it's possible, do I have to extract information from the certificate somehow, or can I just point to it in a configuration file somewhere? Lastly, I thought I'd give a quick micro-howto on getting FreeS/WAN installed (though not configured) on Debian. Here are the basic steps I've used: # Install these packages with apt-get freeswan kernel-package kernel-image-2.4.18-686 # use whatever version and arch you need kernel-source-2.4.18 kernel-patch-freeswan cd /usr/src tar jxvf kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2 cd kernel-source-2.4.18 cp /boot/config-2.4.18 .config export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --append-to-version '-fs1' --config=menuconfig \ --revision 20020620 --initrd binary-arch modules_image cd .. dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.18-fs1_20020620_i386.deb Make sure that LILO (or whatever bootloader you use) is happy, and reboot -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If it walks out of your / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ refrigerator, LET IT GO!! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mandrake >has a press release on their site, and it was in their recent newsletter. > >Jay > -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 19:27:01 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing RPM In-Reply-To: <200206202341.g5KNfmX21363@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: hi, I am building an embedded system which runs on a disk on chip. I have made the disk on chip bootable. Now I want to install RPM so that I can install gcc and other packages. Is there a way to install RPM in this barebones linux system? (By making the disk on chip bootable I have transfered only the necesary system files to start and boot linux. gcc, RPM etc are not present in the system.I used RH Linux 6.2 for this installation) I see that in rpm.org the installation method given assumes that I have gcc installed in the system which is not the case. Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 20 20:07:43 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:42:56PM -0500 References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20020620195720.Q10820@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:42:56PM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Well, i guess this isint too off topic, as it applies to people who use > linux their job, but mostly re: your jobs. > > I moved here from boston, and am kinda outta touch of the tech scene here. > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. I'd say $60K would be on the high end personally. > > Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off > a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* > average at 10 days. Sheesh. If you're making the $60K, i'd accept 10 days, if you're making around $40K I was getting 23.2375 days per year (7.15 hours per pay period) at my last systems administrator job. > > thanks for your input. > There are actually websites out there where you can compare your salary.. (and present something to your boss to let them know you're not BS'ing) > duncan -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 20:11:29 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: <1024617695.9926.72.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > I've been playing around with FreeS/WAN on a few of the Linux boxes I > own or admin. I was amazed when I actually got a connection or two to > work. I'm still having some problems, though, and I figured someone > else has attacked the problem before. > > First off is the big problem of NAT boxes. We have a wireless > network, and a box firewalling it. Does anyone have a good idea of > what has to be done to get IPSec going through it (from a NATed client > to a host elsewhere with a real IP)? Is it just a few iptables rules, > or more complicated than that? Depends what you want. Do you want the NAT'd machine to be able to make the IPSec connection out? If so, you'll need NAT Traversal patches on the other end -- available through the X.509 patch version 0.9.12, or via a separate patch. If you want to make the connection from the firewall, then it's easy -- nothing special required. > Working along a different tack, I just installed FreeS/WAN on the > firewall itself. It has a signed certificate from Thawte for the web > sign-on page it uses, and I was wondering if it's possible to use that > same cert for IPsec. If it's possible, do I have to extract > information from the certificate somehow, or can I just point to it in > a configuration file somewhere? Yeah, it's possible. But, it means each endpoint you connect to will need to have a cert from that CA (for the simplest configuration). I really recommend setting up your own CA for your VPN, check out: http://www.natecarlson.com/include/showpage.php?cat=linux&page=ipsec-x509 It's really easy to set up a CA. > Lastly, I thought I'd give a quick micro-howto on getting FreeS/WAN > installed (though not configured) on Debian. Here are the basic steps > I've used: *snip* > dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.18-fs1_20020620_i386.deb > > Make sure that LILO (or whatever bootloader you use) is happy, and > reboot FYI - this means you have both the ALG patches, and the X.509 patch (version 0.9.10, IIRC, not new enough for the subnet stuff) insstalled. I've built Debian packages for FreeS/WAN 1.97 with X.509 0.9.12 in it; if you'd like them, let me know. (My packages are based off the main Debian sources, just with more updated packages). -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mike at jentges.net Thu Jun 20 21:14:04 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <20020620195720.Q10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <004f01c218c7$a8e0ab90$0696c7c7@victim> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:42:56PM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > Well, i guess this isint too off topic, as it applies to people who use > > linux their job, but mostly re: your jobs. > > > > I moved here from boston, and am kinda outta touch of the tech scene here. > > > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. > > I'd say $60K would be on the high end personally. It seems there is a pretty wide range. I'd say those lucky enough to have retained their positions in the unix world might consider themselves real lucky. -mj > > > > > Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off > > a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* > > average at 10 days. Sheesh. > > > If you're making the $60K, i'd accept 10 days, if you're making around $40K > I was getting 23.2375 days per year (7.15 hours per pay period) at my last > systems administrator job. > > > > > thanks for your input. > > > > There are actually websites out there where you can compare your salary.. > (and present something to your boss to let them know you're not BS'ing) > > > duncan > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 20 22:38:01 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installation of RPM 4.0 over 3.0 In-Reply-To: <200206202341.g5KNfmX21363@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi If this topic is already discussed in this mailing list, my apologies. I have a RH6.2 system which has RPM 3.04 installed. I have an rpm package which uses the db3 format. I want to unpack and install the rpm package in my computer. I tried to install RPM 4.0 but I am getting an error GLIBC_2_2 version not found. Can any one help me out? Is there any any installation guide which deals with this topic? Thanks for the help.. Sreekumar From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 22:44:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If ((navigator.userAgent In-Reply-To: <20020620083511.P10820@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 08:35:11AM -0500 References: <02061921560500.13743@nancy> <20020620083511.P10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020620223935.B25898@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > > yup, it's good 'ol klez, our favorite spoofing virus. > > > > i'm honored.. someone's got me in their mailing list. 8-) > > > > looks like it came from verizon's network.. originated at 151.204.123.55. > > It's from the same person that we got an email from last month.. posing > as Bob, looks like Klez dislikes real-time people =) Rick has been honored with the virus too (leaf@real-time.com). We are just popular! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:13:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:42:56PM -0500 References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> Quoting Duncan Shannon (duncan@sodatrain.com): > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. Free Mt. Dew? Free Cool can coolers? Free shirts? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:13:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: <1024617695.9926.72.camel@3po.dhs.org>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:01:35PM -0500 References: <1024617695.9926.72.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020620230844.E25898@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > I've been playing around with FreeS/WAN on a few of the Linux boxes I > own or admin. I was amazed when I actually got a connection or two to > work. I'm still having some problems, though, and I figured someone > else has attacked the problem before. Since Nate has been to, umm, lazy(?) to clean this pages up and put them on Real Time's site, take a look here: http://www.natecarlson.com/include/showpage.php?cat=linux&page=ipsec-x509 If you want to see nate is all his glory. http://www.natecarlson.com/ This actually scared me the first time I saw it. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:14:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:46:17PM -0500 References: <1024617695.9926.72.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020620230904.F25898@real-time.com> Quoting natecars@real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com): > Depends what you want. Do you want the NAT'd machine to be able to make > the IPSec connection out? If so, you'll need NAT Traversal patches on the > other end -- available through the X.509 patch version 0.9.12, or via a > separate patch. If you want to make the connection from the firewall, then > it's easy -- nothing special required. Irk, should have known you would answer this question. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:14:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installation of RPM 4.0 over 3.0 In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:30:26PM -0500 References: <200206202341.g5KNfmX21363@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020620231321.G25898@real-time.com> Quoting Sreekumar Kodakara (skodak@cs.umn.edu): > Hi > If this topic is already discussed in this mailing list, my apologies. I > have a RH6.2 system which has RPM 3.04 installed. I have an rpm package > which uses the db3 format. I want to unpack and install the rpm package in > my computer. I tried to install RPM 4.0 but I am getting an error > GLIBC_2_2 version not found. Can any one help me out? > Is there any any installation guide which deals with this topic? > Thanks for the help.. Easiest thing is to recompile the rpm you want to install under 6.2. Next, easiest is to install rpm-4.0.4-6x, notice the 6x, that is a port to Redhat 6.2, if you can't find it I'll put it on our ftp server. Next, no so easy is to upgrade everything to 7.3 :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:15:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing RPM In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:18:03PM -0500 References: <200206202341.g5KNfmX21363@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020620231358.H25898@real-time.com> Quoting Sreekumar Kodakara (skodak@cs.umn.edu): > hi, > I am building an embedded system which runs on a disk on chip. I have made > the disk on chip bootable. Now I want to install RPM so that I can install > gcc and other packages. Is there a way to install RPM in this barebones > linux system? (By making the disk on chip bootable I have transfered only > the necesary system files to start and boot linux. gcc, RPM etc are not > present in the system.I used RH Linux 6.2 for this installation) > I see that in rpm.org the installation method given > assumes that I have gcc installed in the system which is not the case. Did you check out peewee linux? They have a fairly decent jump-start framework for embedding redhat linux on small devices -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 20 23:30:16 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my world! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> Message-ID: <3D1024B1.3070409@ringworld.org> Mike Jentges wrote: > Wow. Thank Tux for Visi, Skypoint, PConline, and all the other locals. Yeah. > The ones that AREN't going to be the next MS or Walmart. Register my box > with my ISP? Uh no. I pay them for internet access, none of their damn We are registering the *cable modem*, which is much different than your machine. I believe they are going to stop doing that. It's just a god damn mac address. If your going to connect to my network here, I would require it too for wireless. At work, we want to know for wired and wireless in case we need to track an errant workstation down. CABLE IS NOT DSL. The 'last mile' medium is shared. There needs to be high coordination and control on this medium. Note that DSL doesn't have this, but they have to do the same *one level up* from the co all the way to your ISP in a highly structured fashion. Run a thinnet network sometime and you'll appreciate all the hard work it is to run a cable network for data. > business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since I > assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying the > extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want to Uh, for me to get equilivant bandwidth that gets 15ms to work would cost well over $300. (SDSL 1.5mbit or Qwest 1.5mbit would both easily hit that) Thats even if qwest can service me! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 20 23:30:52 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my world! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> <20020619055349.L10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3D1083F1.8020201@ringworld.org> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I really like Wal-Mart, despite all the evil things people in Minnesota have > to say about it, they provided the jobs for well over 1,000 people in my home Target has less redneck joke value. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 20 23:31:30 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Providing SMTP servervice over Qmail References: <0206181356540N.12986@Dingo> <20020619011807.GB4272@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3D10845F.2020509@ringworld.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > Use SMTP-AUTH-TLS. Qmail can be configured to do this, but it's > non-trivial. Try exim. It supports it out of the box. Exim4 even support > SPA. It's the best MTA i've ever used. Postfix should also support SMTP-AUTH in the postfix-tls package in woody. I don't know if the grand unification lamont did made it into woody, however. (Writing mail on the bus with no net connection, I wish richochet would hurry up) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From neigebauerb at attbi.com Thu Jun 20 23:32:12 2002 From: neigebauerb at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T Problems Message-ID: Seems like a common gripe recently is problems with AT&T Cable Modem. Mine connection since last thursday has been extremely slow. Every call I make to tech support has met with the same result. 'We are doing an upgrade, please wait until its done.' Maybe we should collectively pool our gripes and present them to AT&T. Maybe we will actually get somewhere that way. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 20 23:32:42 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887A81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D10FBCE.5090205@ringworld.org> Austad, Jay wrote: > and they are all just waiting to be laid off. Many people have already > left, and the remaining ones are just doing a half-assed job. He said that > getting them to do anything that requires any amount of effort is nearly This is exactly why everyone needs to bitch at their franchise authority (usually your city) about the merger (attbi+comcast) and tell them you don't support the transfer of franchise to support a monopoly with even worse cash flow and debt than our current monopoly. Our services will be impacted and we will just get another Qwest, hands tied by debt and cashflow. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From neigebauerb at attbi.com Thu Jun 20 23:33:16 2002 From: neigebauerb at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: AT&T Problems Message-ID: Why didn't this post submit? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Neigebauer [mailto:neigebauerb@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:09 PM To: 'Tclug-List Subject: AT&T Problems Seems like a common gripe recently is problems with AT&T Cable Modem. Mine connection since last thursday has been extremely slow. Every call I make to tech support has met with the same result. 'We are doing an upgrade, please wait until its done.' Maybe we should collectively pool our gripes and present them to AT&T. Maybe we will actually get somewhere that way. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 20 23:34:21 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Eureka!] Message-ID: <3D1155F4.30405@ringworld.org> -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Paul Dokas Subject: Eureka! Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:58:58 -0500 Size: 3481 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020620/3353693f/Eureka.mht From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 20 23:49:16 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: <20020620230844.E25898@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > If you want to see nate is all his glory. > > http://www.natecarlson.com/ > > This actually scared me the first time I saw it. :-P Why do you think I've got that picture up there? :) It's got good scare value! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From erik at ehanson.net Fri Jun 21 00:20:03 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Eureka!] In-Reply-To: <3D1155F4.30405@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Do you mind if I pass this info along to another list? -Erk On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:11:32 -0500 Scott Dier wrote: > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ From mike at jentges.net Fri Jun 21 00:20:36 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my world! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> <3D1024B1.3070409@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <005c01c218e2$a50aa910$0696c7c7@victim> > We are registering the *cable modem*, which is much different than your > machine. I believe they are going to stop doing that. Either way. Sounds like a step backward. whatever happened to PAP/CHAP? I've never seen 'cable' in action so I have no idea how it all works (or doesn't). Strikes me as odd it needs to be told a MAC address by something as inefficient as humans. The original statement was that this was the reason for failure. Like if I brought a laptop home I'd have to contact them, bla bla to get inet access. > > It's just a god damn mac address. If your going to connect to my > network here, I would require it too for wireless. At work, we want to > know for wired and wireless in case we need to track an errant > workstation down. Sure. These aren't workstations though, and what need to 'track them down' ? > > CABLE IS NOT DSL. The 'last mile' medium is shared. There needs to be > high coordination and control on this medium. Note that DSL doesn't > have this, but they have to do the same *one level up* from the co all > the way to your ISP in a highly structured fashion. Run a thinnet > network sometime and you'll appreciate all the hard work it is to run a > cable network for data. But, if I were ATT selling it to people all over, I'd try to make sure I knew how to run it first. Or at the very least, hire someone who did. It's not like this is the first string between 2 soup cans for them. > > > business what box I connect with, as long as I don't violate policy. Since I > > assume most readers here are local to the Twin Cities, how about paying the > > extra $3-$5/mo or whatever to support the locals since you might want to > > Uh, for me to get equilivant bandwidth that gets 15ms to work would cost > well over $300. (SDSL 1.5mbit or Qwest 1.5mbit would both easily hit > that) Thats even if qwest can service me! > Sounds as though they've already won, doesn't it? Be interesting to see what happens to the rates and saleries once they squash the last competitive bug out. It's not like I want to be right here, believe me. I just think it's a point that should be considered wherever possible, for all our sake. Look at what happens to the price of Gasoline from Thursday thru Sunday. No one is there to challenge them, why not? Along the same line, before it was halted, just how many steaks were those 2 auto glass outfits up to? Now one of them offers the chance to 'win them'. I didn't see anything like that posted here about ATT. It sounded like quite the opposite. Anyhow, this is likely better suited for some business mail list or something. Drifted away a bit. :) Sorry. -mj > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 21 00:21:17 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux In-Reply-To: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun Enterprise 3500) > that I'd like to put linux on. Why oh WHY do you want to do that? Ok, on Ultra-10s, maybe, but why put Linux on an E3500? Now, I have in fact installed Linux on an E-3500. Worked fine, even with the weirdo disk array conneected to it. But Solaris on the same machine was faster and more stable. Solaris 8 is free, too. I know people think I'm flame-baiting whenever I go on a seemingly anti-linux thing, but please understand that occasionally there are situations where Linux is not the best choice. Of course, you do have the advantage of experience with Linux in this case, but is going from Red Hat to debian really all THAT different than going from Red Hat to Solaris? (: -Yaron -- From mike at jentges.net Fri Jun 21 00:37:06 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HELP AT&T broke my world! References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A6CB@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20020618152314.GC4624@rtfm.sistina.com> <20020618132320.H10820@techmonkeys.org> <003a01c2174c$1357cdf0$0696c7c7@victim> <20020619055349.L10820@techmonkeys.org> <3D1083F1.8020201@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <006101c218e3$f15e5810$0696c7c7@victim> > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I really like Wal-Mart, despite all the evil things people in Minnesota have > > to say about it, they provided the jobs for well over 1,000 people in my home And absorb most anything they pay out in salary right back up again cause they can financially outlive the slow and painful death of "Joe's Grocery". Once he's gone it's a pretty safe bet over 1000 people in your home town will be right back w/o the blue smocks and vests picking up supplies. You're definately best off liking them. :) Again, drifting OT here. Just something all need to keep in mind, IMO. -mj > > Target has less redneck joke value. :) > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jun 21 08:08:59 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gShield question Message-ID: <1024663601.3d13203156fa7@webmail.andersonfam.org> Well I gave up on my attempt to build up an old laptop with Debian for use as my firewall. I resorted to a stripped-down Mandrake 8.2 and had it up and running in an hour. Anyways, after hearing many recommendations for gShield on this list, I decided to give it a try and it's working great. I have one question, though. Is there any way that I could see the iptables rules that gShield is creating? I am not incredibly well-versed in iptables and would like to take a glance at this code. Hopefully I'll learn something. My reason for asking this is that I need to add one last iptables rule to allow ssh connections from my LAN to eth1 (the internal interface) on the firewall. Thanks! -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Jun 21 08:40:00 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Walmart now offering Lindows References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B09@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D132B06.8020800@stonel.com> My understanding is Mandrake will be an *addition* to the OS-less or Lindows options. http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/06/19/1519219.shtml?tid=23 Bob Austad, Jay wrote: > Starting next week, Lindows will be replaced with Mandrake 8.2. Mandrake > has a press release on their site, and it was in their recent newsletter. > > Jay From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 21 09:06:52 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024667269.9737.81.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 19:46, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On 20 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Working along a different tack, I just installed FreeS/WAN on the > > firewall itself. It has a signed certificate from Thawte for the web > > sign-on page it uses, and I was wondering if it's possible to use that > > same cert for IPsec. If it's possible, do I have to extract > > information from the certificate somehow, or can I just point to it in > > a configuration file somewhere? > > Yeah, it's possible. But, it means each endpoint you connect to will need > to have a cert from that CA (for the simplest configuration). I really > recommend setting up your own CA for your VPN, check out: > > http://www.natecarlson.com/include/showpage.php?cat=linux&page=ipsec-x509 > > It's really easy to set up a CA. I followed the instructions you have there, but it seems that the certificates I've generated and signed don't get recognized as being signed (I get the error "Issuer CA certificate not found" from pluto). I have my CA cert in /etc/ipsec.d/cacerts (in both PEM and DER format, just for grins), and it does show up when I do `ipsec auto --listcacerts'. I can still connect if I have a copy of the remote certificate in /etc/ipsec.d and make reference to it in /etc/ipsec.conf I suppose it might just be a bug in the version of FreeS/WAN that I have, though.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The future isn't what it / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ used to be. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020621/eaaf08b3/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jun 21 09:22:41 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Free Mt. Dew? > Free Cool can coolers? > Free shirts? Is real time hiring? :-) -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 21 09:49:59 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gShield question In-Reply-To: <1024663601.3d13203156fa7@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <1024663601.3d13203156fa7@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020621144100.GC10103@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 07:46:41AM -0500, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > Well I gave up on my attempt to build up an old laptop with Debian for > use as my firewall. I resorted to a stripped-down Mandrake 8.2 and > had it up and running in an hour. Wow. Such a different experience than what I've had with Debian. Sorry it didn't work out for you. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020621/21ac328c/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 21 09:50:36 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux In-Reply-To: References: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020621142821.GA10103@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:19:42PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Ok, on Ultra-10s, maybe, but why put Linux on an E3500? ...[snip]... > Now, I have in fact installed Linux on an E-3500. Worked fine, even > with the weirdo disk array conneected to it. But Solaris on the same > machine was faster and more stable. Solaris 8 is free, too. People are comfortable with their favorite operating systems, whether it be Solaris, Linux, or {Net,Free,Open}BSD. Having your favorite operating system on every architecture makes you feel right at home on any box. So, Linux may not be the end-all-beat-all OS, but it's fun, it works, and it's what we know. Solaris 8 being free is definitely nice, and it may work our better for Sun hardware, but why not try new things? Really, it's not a rant-fest at all, it's a Linux Users Group where people are experimenting and having FUN with Linux! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can still connect if I have a copy of the remote > certificate in /etc/ipsec.d and make reference to it in > /etc/ipsec.conf > > I suppose it might just be a bug in the version of FreeS/WAN that I > have, though.. Hmmm.. very odd. Does it error out when trying to load the CA certificate? You should see a message like: Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: Changing to directory '/etc/ipsec.d/cacerts' Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: loaded cacert file 'RootCA.der' (1286 bytes) Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: Changing to directory '/etc/ipsec.d/crls' Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: loaded crl file 'crl.pem' (743 bytes) on starting frees/wan. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 21 10:16:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP AT&T broke my DHCP client! In-Reply-To: <1024612946.9737.11.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <3D0EBA30.3050605@mtu.net> <20020620185220.GA20754@refried.org> <1024612946.9737.11.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020621150159.GE10103@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:42:26PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > /sbin/iptables -t mangle -I OUTPUT -p udp --dport bootps -j TTL --ttl-set 64 Nice call, Mike! Way to use iptables! This won't work on the *BSD crowd, but it should work for Linux. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'We are > doing an upgrade, please wait until its done.' > > Maybe we should collectively pool our gripes and present them to AT&T. > Maybe we will actually get somewhere that way. Add me to the list. I had an average ping of ~500 for several days before the connection completely went buh-bye. Someone else had mentioned 'pump' wasn't working, it had* been for me up until Sunday or thereabouts, but does not work now. I'm back online using dhcpcd. -Jay p.s. I think it's really just a matter of properly feeding the hamsters that spin the wheels at network-ops. From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Jun 21 10:46:39 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APC back-ups UPS monitoring In-Reply-To: <3D11E478.5000800@krwc1360.com> References: <3D11E478.5000800@krwc1360.com> Message-ID: John Goerg writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > >Oh; are your "4" and "5" for a 9-pin or a 25-pin connector? Since > >they're RTS and CTS on 25-pin, I'm guessing that's what you mean. > >That's what I tried, anyway. > > Yes that was for 25 pin. I'm out of ideas. I can see reproducing all the basic work on getting a serial cable to detect these sort of events coming on. Don't have *time*, drat it! (and just saw on the apcupsd mailing list one person mentioning that he has the same problems, even though he's using an official APC cable). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jun 21 10:52:21 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gShield question In-Reply-To: <20020621144100.GC10103@wookimus.net> References: <1024663601.3d13203156fa7@webmail.andersonfam.org> <20020621144100.GC10103@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1024674018.3d1348e2ce3ca@webmail.andersonfam.org> Quoting Chad Walstrom : > Wow. Such a different experience than what I've had with Debian. Sorry > it didn't work out for you. In the past, I've had great experiences w/ Debian...I think it was just an issue with having to deal with two PCMCIA NIC's. Anyways, Mandrake 8.2 is working great...I had to do a fair amount of "trimming" to get it secured down the way I wanted. As a side note, does anyone know of a good package for monitoring/alerting on the iptables logs? -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 21 10:58:33 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024672914.9737.85.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 09:46, Nate Carlson wrote: > On 21 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I followed the instructions you have there, but it seems that the > > certificates I've generated and signed don't get recognized as being > > signed (I get the error "Issuer CA certificate not found" from pluto). [snip] > Hmmm.. very odd. Does it error out when trying to load the CA certificate? > You should see a message like: > > Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: Changing to directory '/etc/ipsec.d/cacerts' > Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: loaded cacert file 'RootCA.der' (1286 bytes) > Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: Changing to directory '/etc/ipsec.d/crls' > Jun 21 06:35:16 precept Pluto[425]: loaded crl file 'crl.pem' (743 bytes) Yep, it sure does. However, I noticed that it also has Jun 21 01:11:40 3po Pluto[8780]: loaded my X.509 cert file '/etc/x509cert.der' (1039 bytes) I know that file is probably old -- would that affect this? How would I generate a new version of that file? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How do you tell when you're / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ out of invisible ink? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020621/9f5d21fd/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 21 11:26:22 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some IPsec questions.. In-Reply-To: <1024672914.9737.85.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: On 21 Jun 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > Yep, it sure does. However, I noticed that it also has > > Jun 21 01:11:40 3po Pluto[8780]: loaded my X.509 cert file > '/etc/x509cert.der' (1039 bytes) > > I know that file is probably old -- would that affect this? How would > I generate a new version of that file? With the 0.9.12 version of the X.509 patch, no need -- just blow it away, and specify the certificate using Xcert= (X being left/right, whichever one you specify as using the defaultroute/local interface). Are you sure that you generated the certificates using the CA cert that's in your /etc/ipsec.d/cacerts directory? If so, it's very weird that you're getting those errors.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Jun 21 12:46:39 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <1024597136.20268.3.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> Message-ID: <3D13512E.7060302@ringworld.org> doug wrote: > As far as the salary goes, check out www.salary.com. But I imagine that > ~$60k/year is about right (I could be wrong, I'm not a linux sysadmin). I think its a little high. You better have more than just linux administration under your belt in this economy to make that much. Networking or Solaris experience or something, or lots of experience with storage solutions, not just a 'Hi! I've been working on a small network of machines for 5 years! Let me play with that 10TB fibrechannel array!"; etc.. Systems administration is much too large to just smack a value on a vague description. I bet many of us could give you a better ballpark with a better description. Perhaps during the boom, but in this area I don't see $60k for everyone. with 2-5yrs exp. I believe that civil service individual salaries are public information, but I would want to check before I divulge personal information. If its public, theres no reason to hide it. I know the pay scales are public, and can be found at www.umn.edu/ohr/, but the pay scale is for a large group of people, not just linux admins. Look for the "Info Tech Prof." (Professional) category. > Personally I have 10 days a year, plus 2 floating holidays, for a total > of 12, and I think I'm below average too... >>Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off >>a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* >>average at 10 days. Sheesh. Basically, where I work its done on how many years of service you've put in. We accumilate at a certian set minutes per hour. I believe that I get ~2.25wks total when I started out with one personal floating holiday. This can all easily be verified by going to www.umn.edu/ohr/ and finding the civil service rulebook/handbook. Also look into the V-Class vs. non-V-Class stuff. (exempt vs non-exempt employees. exemptees get more vacation/wk for the forfiture of overtime compensation) I would have found the exact links, but I write much of my listmail in a disconnected state on my way into work (Yay for mass transit!), so its not really possible. (Well, not until richochet comes back.) Ooo. flipped pizza truck! cool! (on east river road) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From amy at real-time.com Fri Jun 21 13:33:29 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:19:42PM -0500 References: <20020620154250.G1449@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020621092043.M1449@real-time.com> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:19:42PM -0500, Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun Enterprise 3500) > > that I'd like to put linux on. > > Why oh WHY do you want to do that? > > Ok, on Ultra-10s, maybe, but why put Linux on an E3500? > > Now, I have in fact installed Linux on an E-3500. Worked fine, even with > the weirdo disk array conneected to it. But Solaris on the same machine > was faster and more stable. Solaris 8 is free, too. Lots of reasons...but mainly ease of maintenance and because no one here has experience with Solaris. My experience with Solaris ended nearly 6 years ago and it wasn't much then. We are trying to consolidate all the OSs we manage (linux, solaris, AIX, IRIX, FreeBSD, windows) down to as few as possible (linux, windows). > I know people think I'm flame-baiting whenever I go on a seemingly > anti-linux thing, but please understand that occasionally there are > situations where Linux is not the best choice. Of course, you do have the > advantage of experience with Linux in this case, but is going from Red Hat > to debian really all THAT different than going from Red Hat to Solaris? (: Since I haven't used Solaris recently, I'm not sure. I would guess that RedHat & debian are alot more similar than RedHat & Solaris, though. It would be nice to have similar maintenance procedures using APT, the ability to automate the updates, and the ability to kickstart boxes. With 2 administrators to maintain hundreds of boxes, the more that can be automated, re-used, and the less time things take, the better. And, in this case, that is more important than performance for what the E-3500 is actually doing (print server). We have pretty strict guidelines on getting security updates installed as quickly as possible. So, given that, since you have installed linux on similar hardware, do you have any tips you can share? :) -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020621/cdc1b242/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 21 15:03:51 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B3B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> My job isn't a Linux Sysadmin job, even though I do use it quite a bit for work. But, I have a lot of friends who strictly do linux sysadmin work, and I don't know anyone who makes $60k doing just linux sysadmin work. About 3 years ago, I interviewed at a big Solaris shop and they offered me $55k (I didn't take it because I wanted more $$$, and the drive from my place would have been a nightmare). Most linux admins I know make anywhere from mid $20k's up to around $50k, it all depends on the employer. Obviously getting experience in some other form of Unix or networking is going to help you here. I know a bunch of salary sites list unix admin averages anywhere from $60k to $85k, but that emcompasses Solaris/HP-UX/etc and you probably won't get that doing just Linux, at least not yet (maybe when more large companies start using it you might see that). You have to remember, that most larger employers think of their sysadmins simply as "monkeys" that set up machines. Especially if it's a non-tech person doing the hiring. I think salaries are probably quite a bit higher on the east cost because of the higher cost of living. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. > > > doug wrote: > > As far as the salary goes, check out www.salary.com. But I imagine > > that ~$60k/year is about right (I could be wrong, I'm not a linux > > sysadmin). > > I think its a little high. You better have more than just linux > administration under your belt in this economy to make that much. > Networking or Solaris experience or something, or lots of experience > with storage solutions, not just a 'Hi! I've been working on a small > network of machines for 5 years! Let me play with that 10TB > fibrechannel > array!"; etc.. Systems administration is much too large to > just smack a > value on a vague description. I bet many of us could give > you a better > ballpark with a better description. > > Perhaps during the boom, but in this area I don't see $60k > for everyone. > with 2-5yrs exp. > > I believe that civil service individual salaries are public > information, > but I would want to check before I divulge personal > information. If its > public, theres no reason to hide it. I know the pay scales > are public, > and can be found at www.umn.edu/ohr/, but the pay scale is > for a large > group of people, not just linux admins. Look for the "Info > Tech Prof." > (Professional) category. > > > Personally I have 10 days a year, plus 2 floating holidays, for a > > total of 12, and I think I'm below average too... > > >>Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days > >>off > >>a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we > are *above* > >>average at 10 days. Sheesh. > > Basically, where I work its done on how many years of service > you've put > in. We accumilate at a certian set minutes per hour. I > believe that I > get ~2.25wks total when I started out with one personal floating > holiday. This can all easily be verified by going to www.umn.edu/ohr/ and finding the civil service rulebook/handbook. Also look into the V-Class vs. non-V-Class stuff. (exempt vs non-exempt employees. exemptees get more vacation/wk for the forfiture of overtime compensation) I would have found the exact links, but I write much of my listmail in a disconnected state on my way into work (Yay for mass transit!), so its not really possible. (Well, not until richochet comes back.) Ooo. flipped pizza truck! cool! (on east river road) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 21 15:07:47 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B3C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Gentoo will install on sparc boxes now. If you like the BSD style ports tree, gentoo is probably the way to go. It takes awhile to install since it compiles everything (there may be a binary installer CD for it now though), but Gentoo works sweet, and has a nice clean build environment since it's set up to compile everything from scratch when you install a package. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] sparc linux > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:19:42PM -0500, Yaron > (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > > Hey, > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > > I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun > > > Enterprise 3500) that I'd like to put linux on. > > > > Why oh WHY do you want to do that? > > > > Ok, on Ultra-10s, maybe, but why put Linux on an E3500? > > > > Now, I have in fact installed Linux on an E-3500. Worked fine, even > > with the weirdo disk array conneected to it. But Solaris on > the same > > machine was faster and more stable. Solaris 8 is free, too. > > Lots of reasons...but mainly ease of maintenance and because > no one here has experience with Solaris. My experience with > Solaris ended nearly 6 years ago and it wasn't much then. We > are trying to consolidate all the OSs we manage (linux, > solaris, AIX, IRIX, FreeBSD, windows) down to as few as > possible (linux, windows). > > > I know people think I'm flame-baiting whenever I go on a seemingly > > anti-linux thing, but please understand that occasionally there are > > situations where Linux is not the best choice. Of course, > you do have > > the advantage of experience with Linux in this case, but is > going from > > Red Hat to debian really all THAT different than going from > Red Hat to > > Solaris? (: > > Since I haven't used Solaris recently, I'm not sure. I would > guess that RedHat & debian are alot more similar than RedHat > & Solaris, though. > > It would be nice to have similar maintenance procedures using > APT, the ability to automate the updates, and the ability to > kickstart boxes. With 2 administrators to maintain hundreds > of boxes, the more that can be automated, re-used, and the > less time things take, the better. And, in this case, that > is more important than performance for what the E-3500 is > actually doing (print server). We have pretty strict > guidelines on getting security updates installed as quickly > as possible. > > So, given that, since you have installed linux on similar > hardware, do you have any tips you can share? :) > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Jun 21 16:26:55 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887B3C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know how to set up snmpd on Linux so I can access the ip.iproutetable OID on a linux machine via SNMP? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:55 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] sparc linux Gentoo will install on sparc boxes now. If you like the BSD style ports tree, gentoo is probably the way to go. It takes awhile to install since it compiles everything (there may be a binary installer CD for it now though), but Gentoo works sweet, and has a nice clean build environment since it's set up to compile everything from scratch when you install a package. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] sparc linux > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:19:42PM -0500, Yaron > (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > > Hey, > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > > I've got a bunch of sparc boxes (9 Sun Ultra 10s and 1 Sun > > > Enterprise 3500) that I'd like to put linux on. > > > > Why oh WHY do you want to do that? > > > > Ok, on Ultra-10s, maybe, but why put Linux on an E3500? > > > > Now, I have in fact installed Linux on an E-3500. Worked fine, even > > with the weirdo disk array conneected to it. But Solaris on > the same > > machine was faster and more stable. Solaris 8 is free, too. > > Lots of reasons...but mainly ease of maintenance and because > no one here has experience with Solaris. My experience with > Solaris ended nearly 6 years ago and it wasn't much then. We > are trying to consolidate all the OSs we manage (linux, > solaris, AIX, IRIX, FreeBSD, windows) down to as few as > possible (linux, windows). > > > I know people think I'm flame-baiting whenever I go on a seemingly > > anti-linux thing, but please understand that occasionally there are > > situations where Linux is not the best choice. Of course, > you do have > > the advantage of experience with Linux in this case, but is > going from > > Red Hat to debian really all THAT different than going from > Red Hat to > > Solaris? (: > > Since I haven't used Solaris recently, I'm not sure. I would > guess that RedHat & debian are alot more similar than RedHat > & Solaris, though. > > It would be nice to have similar maintenance procedures using > APT, the ability to automate the updates, and the ability to > kickstart boxes. With 2 administrators to maintain hundreds > of boxes, the more that can be automated, re-used, and the > less time things take, the better. And, in this case, that > is more important than performance for what the E-3500 is > actually doing (print server). We have pretty strict > guidelines on getting security updates installed as quickly > as possible. > > So, given that, since you have installed linux on similar > hardware, do you have any tips you can share? :) > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 21 16:31:24 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Eureka!] In-Reply-To: References: <3D1155F4.30405@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020621142930.GB10103@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:08:27PM -0700, erik@ehanson.net wrote: > Do you mind if I pass this info along to another list? Actually, it's Paul D. that you'll have to ask, though I'm sure he won't mind. Reference his email address and the Message-ID when you talk to him. Remember, always go to the author... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rob From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 21 16:46:26 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sparc linux In-Reply-To: <20020621142821.GA10103@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Chad Walstrom wrote: > People are comfortable with their favorite operating systems, whether it > be Solaris, Linux, or {Net,Free,Open}BSD. Having your favorite > operating system on every architecture makes you feel right at home on > any box. Yeah, I know this, and I _did_ mention it in my post. However, I think it's always a good thing to learn something new and expand your knowledge-base. Especially when you're into UNIX and have the oppertunity to learn about Solaris, which is (A) One of, if not THE most popular UNIX out there, and (B) The OS which helps me land jobs (; > Really, it's not a rant-fest at all, it's a Linux Users Group where > people are experimenting and having FUN with Linux! ;-) Dude, if Amy's got ten Ultra10's and an E-3500 for _fun_, I'll eat my hat. -Yaron -- From john at schererzoo.com Fri Jun 21 16:58:31 2002 From: john at schererzoo.com (John Scherer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use outlook functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... -John From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 21 17:44:46 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20020621222718.GJ10103@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:09:44PM -0600, John Scherer wrote: > Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange > server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use > outlook functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... This one gets asked a lot. The usual answer is some sort of web-based groupware like TWIG or phpGroupWare. You can get pretty close to setting up something that provides all of the services, but not under the roof that is Microsoft Outlook. For directory searching, you can install an LDAP server. Additionally, you could throw in user authentication via the LDAP server for an added bonus. Tie in Kerberos for authentification, and you're getting quite close to Microsoft's network authentificaion scheme. POP, IMAP, and SMTP services are provided by different daemons: uw-pop, uw-imap, and postfix/sendmail/qmail. News spools are best supplied by an NNTP server such as cnews, etc... All in all, the only really unique thing that Exchange server provides is a shared vCal repository. vCal and vCard are simple datafile formats well suited for email exchange. Outlooks just sucks these into it's calendar. There are plenty of client programs that speak vCal and vCard, but not many that speak the Exchange server calendaring protocol. Still, it's not THAT important for setting up meetings. You can certianly install one of the web-based apps for group calendaring (see above). Good Luck. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020621/d4d9e162/attachment.pgp From robinj at mninter.net Fri Jun 21 17:58:01 2002 From: robinj at mninter.net (Robin Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> Message-ID: <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> Here's a few: Bill Workgroup Server (GPL'd :) http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home Bynari InsightConnector http://www.bynari.net/bynari/insightcon.html Samsung Contact (was HP OpenMail) http://samsungcontact.com/en/ Robin John Scherer wrote: > Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange > server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use outlook > functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... > > -John > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 21 17:58:32 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Duncan Shannon wrote: > a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* > average at 10 days. Sheesh. i do not have a "permanant" job, nor do i work as a linux/unix sysadmin but i think i can safely say BULLSHIT, go elsewhere, when i worked for the state i got about 20 or so per year (8 hours per pay period) -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 21 17:59:05 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Free Mt. Dew? > Free Cool can coolers? > Free shirts? it is a wonder that you can keep people working for you -munir From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 21 18:20:51 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gShield question In-Reply-To: <1024663601.3d13203156fa7@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > Is there any way that I could see the iptables rules that gShield is creating? > I am not incredibly well-versed in iptables and would like to take a glance at > this code. Hopefully I'll learn something. My reason for asking this is that > I need to add one last iptables rule to allow ssh connections from my LAN to > eth1 (the internal interface) on the firewall. you can get an iptables dump by using the iptables-save command, -munir From linux at dougsweb.net Fri Jun 21 19:11:10 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D13512E.7060302@ringworld.org> References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <1024597136.20268.3.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> <3D13512E.7060302@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1024686210.20268.15.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> Good point, I was under the assumption there that if you've been a sysadmin for 5 years you've done something besides linux (especially considering it was almost unheard of to have on a server in a business environment 5 years ago compared to today). But yeah, 2 years exp, $60 is rather high, but then 5 years that might actually be low (I know a couple that make over 60 and they are both 4-6 years exp as sysadmins). Doug On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 16:15, Scott Dier wrote: > doug wrote: > > As far as the salary goes, check out www.salary.com. But I imagine that > > ~$60k/year is about right (I could be wrong, I'm not a linux sysadmin). > > I think its a little high. You better have more than just linux > administration under your belt in this economy to make that much. > Networking or Solaris experience or something, or lots of experience > with storage solutions, not just a 'Hi! I've been working on a small > network of machines for 5 years! Let me play with that 10TB fibrechannel > array!"; etc.. Systems administration is much too large to just smack a > value on a vague description. I bet many of us could give you a better > ballpark with a better description. From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 21 20:31:15 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ray Tracing? Message-ID: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com> Anyone into ray tracing? What are the best tools for linux these days? I'd like to use povray as the backend. I'm looking for a good modeller. Any recommendations? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jun 21 20:49:14 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <3D13D356.3C2E320F@dccmn.com> 2 weeks vacation + ~6 holidays a year is pretty standard for a beginning, with another week after 2-5 years. Candle started us at 4 weeks a year, but then they had to lay everyone off. Duncan Shannon wrote: > > Well, i guess this isint too off topic, as it applies to people who use > linux their job, but mostly re: your jobs. > > I moved here from boston, and am kinda outta touch of the tech scene here. > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. > > Along with that, but more vauge... what's an average number of days off > a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* > average at 10 days. Sheesh. > > thanks for your input. > > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Jun 21 20:49:54 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <1024686210.20268.15.camel@dwrhl01.dougnet> Message-ID: $60 is not all that unreasonable for a competant Software Engineer with a 4 year degree and 2 years experience. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of doug Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. Good point, I was under the assumption there that if you've been a sysadmin for 5 years you've done something besides linux (especially considering it was almost unheard of to have on a server in a business environment 5 years ago compared to today). But yeah, 2 years exp, $60 is rather high, but then 5 years that might actually be low (I know a couple that make over 60 and they are both 4-6 years exp as sysadmins). Doug On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 16:15, Scott Dier wrote: > doug wrote: > > As far as the salary goes, check out www.salary.com. But I imagine that > > ~$60k/year is about right (I could be wrong, I'm not a linux sysadmin). > > I think its a little high. You better have more than just linux > administration under your belt in this economy to make that much. > Networking or Solaris experience or something, or lots of experience > with storage solutions, not just a 'Hi! I've been working on a small > network of machines for 5 years! Let me play with that 10TB fibrechannel > array!"; etc.. Systems administration is much too large to just smack a > value on a vague description. I bet many of us could give you a better > ballpark with a better description. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jun 21 21:41:01 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ray Tracing? In-Reply-To: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com> References: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020621212633.A9721@botwerks.org> wow - i haven't heard of povray in a long time. i used to play with povray in my desqview/x days. iirc there was a list of modellers on the povray.org site. blender is a nice 3d modelling packag that's available for the free unices. the site doesn't appear to be online right now ... a google search for blender yields blender3d.com which seems to point to some issues w/the availability of blender from a legal perspective. i would watch this, since if blender is ever released you would want to get your hands on it. it's a great modeller. when last we saw our hero (Friday, Jun 21, 2002), Bob Tanner was madly tapping out: > Anyone into ray tracing? > > What are the best tools for linux these days? > > I'd like to use povray as the backend. I'm looking for a good > modeller. Any recommendations? > > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From foeclan at visi.com Fri Jun 21 23:23:04 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: Message-ID: <3D13FA5C.7010307@visi.com> We get 10 days of Vacation and 10 days of Paid Time Off (sick days, etc). After a couple years, it becomes 15 Vacation days, then 20, then 25, then 25+1/year. That's the basic package everyone gets. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com Munir Nassar wrote: >On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > > >>a year given to salaried employes? My Employer things we are *above* >>average at 10 days. Sheesh. >> >> > >i do not have a "permanant" job, nor do i work as a linux/unix sysadmin >but i think i can safely say BULLSHIT, > >go elsewhere, when i worked for the state i got about 20 or so per year (8 >hours per pay period) > > -munir > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From foeclan at visi.com Fri Jun 21 23:41:47 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ray Tracing? References: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com> <20020621212633.A9721@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3D13FC0B.4070709@visi.com> Not a Number went bankrupt, so they're not currently distributing Blender. They're exploring possibilities as to what to do with it, since it's one of their biggest assets. There was a story about it on Slashdot a few months back, so you can probably dig it up there. As for ray tracing, in 'Programming Linux Games' they used AC3D (http://www.ac3d.org) and exported the file in .pov format. AC3D isn't free, but I've heard good things. Checking out their site, they now have python scripts to allow importing Blender models as well. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com steve ulrich wrote: > >wow - i haven't heard of povray in a long time. i used to play with >povray in my desqview/x days. iirc there was a list of modellers on >the povray.org site. > >blender is a nice 3d modelling packag that's available for the free >unices. the site doesn't appear to be online right now ... a google >search for blender yields blender3d.com which seems to point to some >issues w/the availability of blender from a legal perspective. i >would watch this, since if blender is ever released you would want to >get your hands on it. it's a great modeller. > >when last we saw our hero (Friday, Jun 21, 2002), > Bob Tanner was madly tapping out: > > >>Anyone into ray tracing? >> >>What are the best tools for linux these days? >> >>I'd like to use povray as the backend. I'm looking for a good >>modeller. Any recommendations? >> >> >> >> > > > From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Jun 22 04:14:06 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: Message-ID: <3D144000.2010401@ringworld.org> Ben Neigebauer wrote: > $60 is not all that unreasonable for a competant Software Engineer with a 4 > year degree and 2 years experience. Software engineers are not systems administrators. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dan at williamsongraphics.com Sat Jun 22 08:05:11 2002 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan@williamsongraphics.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? Message-ID: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com> http://gsculpt.sourceforge.net/about.html http://www.ac3d.org/ Both of these modelers have been around for quite a while. Blender filed for bankruptcy a few months ago and had to pull their really awesome software package from the web. Dan From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jun 22 08:46:24 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D144000.2010401@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500 References: <3D144000.2010401@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020622084002.S10820@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Software engineers are not systems administrators. It depends, a lot of system administration involves writing little scripts here and there for automation of tedius tasks, as well as writing front- ends for the sales/tech support/accounting droids. I think it goes hand-in-hand (although I don't think system admins would be writing anything to be used by anyone else but the company) > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 09:38:01 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020622084002.S10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: I would have to say Software engineers are often a systems administrator, but systems administrators are very seldom a Software Engineer. Sorry, writing a little script is considered programming, not Software Engineering. One you start pushing millions of lines of code, you will understand. Its all in the planning and design, hence the Engineering. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 8:40 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Software engineers are not systems administrators. It depends, a lot of system administration involves writing little scripts here and there for automation of tedius tasks, as well as writing front- ends for the sales/tech support/accounting droids. I think it goes hand-in-hand (although I don't think system admins would be writing anything to be used by anyone else but the company) > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Jun 22 10:30:07 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, new angle, I'm a system admin, but due to the support of the backup infrastructure, (Veritas Netbackup, isolated backup network, and roughly 150 client systems and about 60 tape drives) I find myself writing scripts that take a fair amount of engineering to keep the environment sane, I'm not talking about millions of lines of code, but between the dozen or so systems that handle the tape drives, there's an awful lot of potential for "one offs" and writing the code to keep all the potential future changes from making the environment unsupportable is enough to keep you busy thinking about how to solve a problem that will be dropped onto 3 different unices. my $.02 On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I would have to say Software engineers are often a systems administrator, > but systems administrators are very seldom a Software Engineer. > > Sorry, writing a little script is considered programming, not Software > Engineering. > > One you start pushing millions of lines of code, you will understand. Its > all in the planning and design, hence the Engineering. > > > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Jun 22 11:08:16 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020622084002.S10820@techmonkeys.org> References: <3D144000.2010401@ringworld.org> <20020622084002.S10820@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: "Matthew S. Hallacy" writes: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > Software engineers are not systems administrators. > > It depends, a lot of system administration involves writing little scripts > here and there for automation of tedius tasks, as well as writing front- > ends for the sales/tech support/accounting droids. I think it goes > hand-in-hand (although I don't think system admins would be writing > anything to be used by anyone else but the company) Certainly system administration involves some coding, at least the level of scripts and often more ambitious stuff too. Writing small utilities is *not* the same thing as working on major development projects! I've always thought sysadmins (at least the good ones) were underappreciated, and running my own servers here has not made me think any less highly of the skills and amount of work they have to handle. But it's a very different sort of job, even if there are significant overlaps in the skill sets. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 11:41:02 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: Message-ID: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I see lack of respect for getting useful work done with a few line of code or a small script as a plague. *nix is famous for writing a small tools and plumbing them together with pipes. With the nice front ends you can create with almost any GUI builder, there are few reasons for software bloat. This issue has been kicking around for a long time. A good programmer can see the little problem trying to get out of the specification, and knows how to code it well. A Software Engineer / Analyst my be a necessary evil, but in my experience this is the sign of a company run by PHB. (Pointy Haired Bosses) I like the approach described in the "mythical man month" book better. As a consultant I have seen several hopeless projects designed by committees, handed off to flocks of programmers and tested by a horde. I have coded the SAME applications at home and used the this as a tools to understand what they were trying to do. There are *very* few problems that require over 10k lines of code. And these SHOULD be open source. The attached gem seems to sum it all up for me. Mark Browne I would have to say Software engineers are often a systems administrator, but systems administrators are very seldom a Software Engineer. Sorry, writing a little script is considered programming, not Software Engineering. One you start pushing millions of lines of code, you will understand. Its all in the planning and design, hence the Engineering. On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Software engineers are not systems administrators. It depends, a lot of system administration involves writing little scripts here and there for automation of tedius tasks, as well as writing front- ends for the sales/tech support/accounting droids. I think it goes hand-in-hand (although I don't think system admins would be writing anything to be used by anyone else but the company) > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sat Jun 22 12:08:14 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> Message-ID: <02062211341500.01537@nancy> Has anybody out there looked at this one: http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/en/ screenshots here: http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/screenshots.html I know it does not run with the mail client (it is a standalone Tcl/Tk app and therefore can run on almost anything with Tcl/Tk and Tix can run on). It looks cool (although only at a 0.51 in the development scheme of things). Changelogs indicate a release on the 10th of this month (June), and some frequent activity since 4/2002, so it seems to be live and active. I would think de-coupling the mail and schedule functions could be a great thing for a company. You could get to the schedule and change it using any device with Tcl/Tk and Tix (instead of just some clients running just some O.S.'s). This app looks like it can tie the schedule functions to some project management as well. Would be nice to have a replacement for that other awfull tool from M$ as well (MS Project) while considering other options. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Friday 21 June 2002 17:53, Robin Johnson wrote: > Here's a few: > > Bill Workgroup Server (GPL'd :) > http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home > > Bynari InsightConnector > http://www.bynari.net/bynari/insightcon.html > > Samsung Contact (was HP OpenMail) > http://samsungcontact.com/en/ > > Robin > > John Scherer wrote: > > Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange > > server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use outlook > > functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... > > > > -John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 22 13:16:43 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? In-Reply-To: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 08:04:37AM -0500 References: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: <20020622131718.A8601@real-time.com> Quoting dan@williamsongraphics.com (dan@williamsongraphics.com): > http://gsculpt.sourceforge.net/about.html > http://www.ac3d.org/ Google is your friend. http://www.pablosbrain.com/blender3d/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Jun 22 14:13:53 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: Message-ID: <3D14CAB2.80001@ringworld.org> Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I would have to say Software engineers are often a systems administrator, > but systems administrators are very seldom a Software Engineer. I'm going to refrain on how many 'software engineers' ive seen that make 'good' system administrators. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From j at 4dvfx.com Sat Jun 22 15:29:01 2002 From: j at 4dvfx.com (j@4dvfx.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? References: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com> <20020622131718.A8601@real-time.com> Message-ID: <008f01c21a2a$4421ce50$6401a8c0@win2k001> Blender is no longer being maintained or updated, but it's still the most complete program. You can also find a couple good books on it at Barnes & Noble and Border's Books. Jeff > Quoting dan@williamsongraphics.com (dan@williamsongraphics.com): > > http://gsculpt.sourceforge.net/about.html > > http://www.ac3d.org/ > > Google is your friend. > > http://www.pablosbrain.com/blender3d/ > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 22 16:20:40 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? In-Reply-To: <008f01c21a2a$4421ce50$6401a8c0@win2k001>; from j@4dvfx.com on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 03:20:34PM -0500 References: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com> <20020622131718.A8601@real-time.com> <008f01c21a2a$4421ce50$6401a8c0@win2k001> Message-ID: <20020622161033.B8601@real-time.com> Quoting j@4dvfx.com (j@4dvfx.com): > Blender is no longer being maintained or updated, but it's still the most > complete program. You can also find a couple good books on it at Barnes & > Noble and Border's Books. It's a vastly complex program! The online tutorials assume a knowledge level that a total newbie does not possess. :-) I was able to follow a mountain tutoral, but I can't seem to render the scene, clicking render does nothing and I cannot seem to find a way to export it to povray. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Sat Jun 22 20:06:28 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <000006c4000a8b07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Not sure if Lotus Notes or Domino is available on Linux or not. Other than that, or someone mentioned Samsung's Open Mail there is nothing on *nix that stacks up against Exchange. Argue all you want about MS's poor coding, scalability, security, whatever, they have done a pretty decent job figuring out what computing tools businesses want. IPC 2002 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 21:11:45 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: Most of those small programs deal with specific tasks, one-offs. The problem with software engineering on most large projects is dealing with more general tasks, more users, more potential things that can (and will) go wrong. I didn't say sysadmins were under appreciated, but I don't think a sysadmin would necessarily make a good Software Engineer. I excellent programmer, a genius programmer even a sysadmin can be. Its just different than working on a major project where tons of people are going to be using it. Didn't mean to dis sysadmins. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Browne Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:23 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. I see lack of respect for getting useful work done with a few line of code or a small script as a plague. *nix is famous for writing a small tools and plumbing them together with pipes. With the nice front ends you can create with almost any GUI builder, there are few reasons for software bloat. This issue has been kicking around for a long time. A good programmer can see the little problem trying to get out of the specification, and knows how to code it well. A Software Engineer / Analyst my be a necessary evil, but in my experience this is the sign of a company run by PHB. (Pointy Haired Bosses) I like the approach described in the "mythical man month" book better. As a consultant I have seen several hopeless projects designed by committees, handed off to flocks of programmers and tested by a horde. I have coded the SAME applications at home and used the this as a tools to understand what they were trying to do. There are *very* few problems that require over 10k lines of code. And these SHOULD be open source. The attached gem seems to sum it all up for me. Mark Browne I would have to say Software engineers are often a systems administrator, but systems administrators are very seldom a Software Engineer. Sorry, writing a little script is considered programming, not Software Engineering. One you start pushing millions of lines of code, you will understand. Its all in the planning and design, hence the Engineering. On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:14:40AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Software engineers are not systems administrators. It depends, a lot of system administration involves writing little scripts here and there for automation of tedius tasks, as well as writing front- ends for the sales/tech support/accounting droids. I think it goes hand-in-hand (although I don't think system admins would be writing anything to be used by anyone else but the company) > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From kethry at winternet.com Sat Jun 22 21:33:59 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <000006c4000a8b07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: Yes, Domino is available on Linux - however, there is no official client. Reportedly the client works under wine, but the designer and administrator clients haven't been tested yet. However, you can access Domino mail/calendar accounts via the web browser. Liz Burke-Scovill On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Ryan Ware wrote: > Not sure if Lotus Notes or Domino is available on Linux or not. > Other than that, or someone mentioned Samsung's Open Mail there is > nothing on *nix that stacks up against Exchange. Argue all you want > about MS's poor coding, scalability, security, whatever, they have > done a pretty decent job figuring out what computing tools > businesses want. > > IPC 2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 21:47:03 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> Doh! Forgot the mildly amusing attachment. The attached gem seems to sum it all up for me. Mark Browne -------------- next part -------------- The Parable of the two Programmers Neil W. Rickert Dept. of Math, Stat., and Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago. Once upon a time, unbeknownst to each other, the "Automated Accounting Applications Association" and the "Consolidated Computerized Capital Corporation" decided that they needed the identical program to perform a certain service. Automated hired a programmer-analyst, Alan, to solve their problem. Meanwhile, Consolidated decided to ask a newly hired entry-level programmer, Charles, to tackle the job, to see if he was as good as he pretended. Alan, having had experience in difficult programming projects, decided to use the PQR structured design methodology. With this in mind he asked his department manager to assign another three programmers as a programming team. Then the team went to work, churning out preliminary reports and problem analyses. Back at Consolidated, Charles spent some time thinking about the problem. His fellow employees noticed that Charles often sat with his feet on the desk, drinking coffee. He was occasionally seen at his computer terminal, but his office mate could tell from the rhythmic striking of keys that he was actually playing Space Invaders. By now, the team at Automated was starting to write code. The programmers were spending about half their time writing and compiling code, and the rest of their time in conference, discussing the interfaces between the various modules. His office mate noticed that Charles had finally given up on Space Invaders. Instead he now divided his time between drinking coffee with his feet on the table, and scribbling on little scraps of paper. His scribbling didn't seem to be Tic Tac Toe, but it didn't exactly make much sense, either. Two months have gone by. The team at Automated finally releases an implementation timetable. In another two months they will have a test version of the program. Then a two-month period of testing and enhancing should yield a completed version. The manager of Charles has by now tired of seeing him goof off. He decides to confront him. But as he walks into Charles's office, he is surprised to see Charles busy entering code at his terminal. He decides to postpone the confrontation, so makes some small talk then leaves. However, he begins to keep a closer watch on Charles, so that when the opportunity presents itself he can confront him. Not looking forward to an unpleasant conversation, he is pleased to notice that Charles seems to be busy most of the time. He has even been see to delay his lunch, and to stay after work two or three days a week. At the end of three months, Charles announces he has completed the project. He submits a 500-line program. The program appears to be clearly written, and when tested it does everything required in the specifications. In fact it even has a few additional convenience features which might significantly improve the usability of the program. The program is put into test, and, except for one quickly corrected oversight, performs well. The team at Automated has by now completed two of the four major modules required for their program. These modules are now undergoing testing while the other modules are completed. After another three weeks, Alan announces that the preliminary version is ready one week ahead of schedule. He supplies a list of the deficiencies that he expects to correct. The program is placed under test. The users find a number of bugs and deficiencies, other than those listed. As Alan explains, this is no surprise. After all this is a preliminary version in which bugs were expected. After about two more months, the team has completed its production version of the program. It consists of about 2,500 lines of code. When tested it seems to satisfy most of the original specifications. It has omitted one or two features, and is very fussy about the format of its input data. However the company decides to install the program. They can always train their data-entry staff to enter data in the strict format required. The program is handed over to some maintenance programmers to eventually incorporate the missing features. Sequel: At first Charles's supervisor was impressed. But as he read through the source code, he realized that the project was really much simpler than he had originally though. It now seemed apparent that this was not much of a challenge even for a beginning programmer. Charles did produce about 5 lines of code per day. This is perhaps a little above average. However, considering the simplicity of the program, it was nothing exceptional. Also his supervisor remembered his two months of goofing off. At his next salary review Charles was given a raise which was about half the inflation over the period. He was not given a promotion. After about a year he became discouraged and left Consolidated. At Automated, Alan was complimented for completing his project on schedule. His supervisor looked over the program. With a few minutes of thumbing through he saw that the company standards about structured programming were being observed. He quickly gave up attempting to read the program however; it seemed quite incomprehensible. He realized by now that the project was really much more complex than he had originally assumed, and he congratulated Alan again on his achievement. The team had produced over 3 lines of code per programmer per day. This was about average, but, considering the complexity of the problem, could be considered to be exceptional. Alan was given a hefty pay raise, and promoted to Systems Analyst as a reward for his achievement. March 20, 1985 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sat Jun 22 22:05:05 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <000006c4000a8b07d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <000006c4000a8b07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <02062221411700.02141@nancy> On Saturday 22 June 2002 19:55, Ryan Ware wrote: > Not sure if Lotus Notes or Domino is available on Linux or not. > Other than that, or someone mentioned Samsung's Open Mail there is > nothing on *nix that stacks up against Exchange. Argue all you want > about MS's poor coding, scalability, security, whatever, they have > done a pretty decent job figuring out what computing tools > businesses want. What alternatives have you tried? What did you not like about them that after having a simple exchange (no pun intended) with the developers that they refused to add to the application. I have found that most of the project developers I have talked with have been highly responsive to suggestions, and would like to know your experiences with the same. Open source software is not developed in a vacuum. It needs input from users in the field using the software in order to improve. You don't have to be a developer to help improve a project. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 22:47:17 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <02062221411700.02141@nancy> Message-ID: Is there a dev project ongoing to create this functionality? If there isn't, maybe we should attempt something. If I remember, outlook/exchange makes use of RPC over the SMB/NetBIOS ports (137,138,139). Or better yet even, start the creation of an open calendar protocol if one doesn't exist. We already have POP/SMTP/IMAP and these all work perfectly fine, network stored contacts and calendars shouldn't be all that much harder than these..... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Black Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 9:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Importance: High On Saturday 22 June 2002 19:55, Ryan Ware wrote: > Not sure if Lotus Notes or Domino is available on Linux or not. > Other than that, or someone mentioned Samsung's Open Mail there is > nothing on *nix that stacks up against Exchange. Argue all you want > about MS's poor coding, scalability, security, whatever, they have > done a pretty decent job figuring out what computing tools > businesses want. What alternatives have you tried? What did you not like about them that after having a simple exchange (no pun intended) with the developers that they refused to add to the application. I have found that most of the project developers I have talked with have been highly responsive to suggestions, and would like to know your experiences with the same. Open source software is not developed in a vacuum. It needs input from users in the field using the software in order to improve. You don't have to be a developer to help improve a project. Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 22 23:04:11 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <02062211341500.01537@nancy> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> <02062211341500.01537@nancy> Message-ID: <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:34:15AM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > Has anybody out there looked at this one: > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/en/ > > screenshots here: > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/screenshots.html > > I know it does not run with the mail client (it is a standalone Tcl/Tk app > and therefore can run on almost anything with Tcl/Tk and Tix can run on). > > It looks cool (although only at a 0.51 in the development scheme of things). > Changelogs indicate a release on the 10th of this month (June), and some > frequent activity since 4/2002, so it seems to be live and active. > > I would think de-coupling the mail and schedule functions could be a great > thing for a company. I think not. If you ever used the integration of the mail/address book/schedule in Outlook you wouldn't settle for less. You can look at your to-do list, decide you need a meeting, retrieve the schedules of the attendees and find a good time for all, click a couple of buttons and send them the meeting invitation, they click a couple of buttons and the meeting place/time is entered in their schedules. Slick. I despise Outlook for a bunch of reasons but they got that right. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I remember, > outlook/exchange makes use of RPC over the SMB/NetBIOS ports (137,138,139). > > Or better yet even, start the creation of an open calendar protocol if one > doesn't exist. > We already have POP/SMTP/IMAP and these all work perfectly fine, network > stored contacts and calendars shouldn't be all that much harder than > these..... http://reefknot.sourceforge.net/ iCalendar: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't know much about it, but I think iCalendar might be the standard/protocol you are looking for. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can look at > your to-do list, decide you need a meeting, retrieve the schedules of > the attendees and find a good time for all, click a couple of buttons > and send them the meeting invitation, they click a couple of buttons and > the meeting place/time is entered in their schedules. Slick. > > I despise Outlook for a bunch of reasons but they got that right. I think Lotus Notes (now Domino on the server, but stilled called the Notes Client on the PC) had that before Exchange ever did. IIRC, the Microsoft Mail server was a pretty basic MTA, and then MS bought Schedule+ from some other company, and kludged it onto their mail server to make the first version of Exchange. All of this because they were trying to compete with Lotus Notes :-) -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020622/d63d2ff9/attachment.pgp From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Jun 23 00:11:07 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <02062211341500.01537@nancy> <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> Message-ID: <02062223450900.02289@nancy> On Saturday 22 June 2002 22:53, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:34:15AM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > > Has anybody out there looked at this one: > > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/en/ snip--- > > I think not. If you ever used the integration of the mail/address > book/schedule in Outlook you wouldn't settle for less. You can look at > your to-do list, decide you need a meeting, retrieve the schedules of > the attendees and find a good time for all, click a couple of buttons > and send them the meeting invitation, they click a couple of buttons and > the meeting place/time is entered in their schedules. Slick. > > I despise Outlook for a bunch of reasons but they got that right. > > florin I think so. This one does all you just mentioned and also will mail to users of other mail servers not under your companies control. The client has a view for not only free/busy schedules of other users, but looks like it can tie in project management. Again, why do you need to have an e-mail app fired up to check a schedule when a lightweight (processing done on the server) application will show you what you need to know. Plus the licenses are cheaper :-) Kelly Black KB0GBJ From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Sun Jun 23 00:32:42 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <000006e8000aaf07d2@[172.29.97.10]> >What alternatives have you tried? Squirrel mail for one - hoping to replace owa. In general, because exchange is so feature rich and users have come to expect those features, switching to something else with less features is not an option. I have not talked to any developers of mail software and told them what features to include. I know software development doesn't happen in a vacuum, but what is wrong with developers getting out there looking at features in exchange or notes/domino and trying to make an open alternative. I tend to think what keeps them from doing it is that it is damn hard complicated work. Most opensource projects I've seen (not including linux itself) are done by a hand full of developers, (look at source forge and see how many developers a project has) in there spare time. No way are they ever going to build an exchange or notes/domino type product. It seems to me what software exist on Linux tends to be of networking/internet related toolsets - not business software. We'll never see openSAP for instance. There doesn't seem to be anyone interested in building that kind of thing, but if they can build yet another network tool, they'd be all over that. As long as I'm ranting, another thing we will never see from open source software is documentation to the level that is typical of commercial software. Why, because it takes a manager at a company to force coders to document decently and have someone put all the documentation together. Documetation is not the glamorous part of development. Open source developers can pick an choose what they do and nobody is there to make them document a thing. I work with a guy that is a linux and open source zealot. Guess what? He writes flawless, self documenting code, which only he can understand. This is one of the few knocks against open source compared to closed source. I try to implement stuff in linux whenever possible and admin a solaris box, but find when you are talking about small to medium size business software, generally the best stuff is on windows and sometimes is even made by microsoft. IPC 2002 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Sun Jun 23 00:50:06 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <000006eb000ab207d2@[172.29.97.10]> >Again, why do you need to have an e-mail app fired up to check a >schedule >when a lightweight (processing done on the server) application will show >you >what you need to know. Because typical users would rather have on monolithic interface where they can click here or there to do a bunch of different functions rather than use different tools for different jobs. The users view it as simplicity. I agree with you on keeping the processing done on the server as much as possible. IPC 2002 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sun Jun 23 00:50:38 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <02062223450900.02289@nancy> Message-ID: Windows client? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Black Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:45 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Importance: High On Saturday 22 June 2002 22:53, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:34:15AM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > > Has anybody out there looked at this one: > > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/en/ snip--- > > I think not. If you ever used the integration of the mail/address > book/schedule in Outlook you wouldn't settle for less. You can look at > your to-do list, decide you need a meeting, retrieve the schedules of > the attendees and find a good time for all, click a couple of buttons > and send them the meeting invitation, they click a couple of buttons and > the meeting place/time is entered in their schedules. Slick. > > I despise Outlook for a bunch of reasons but they got that right. > > florin I think so. This one does all you just mentioned and also will mail to users of other mail servers not under your companies control. The client has a view for not only free/busy schedules of other users, but looks like it can tie in project management. Again, why do you need to have an e-mail app fired up to check a schedule when a lightweight (processing done on the server) application will show you what you need to know. Plus the licenses are cheaper :-) Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Jun 23 01:07:03 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02062300465601.02289@nancy> On Sunday 23 June 2002 00:38, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Windows client? > Tcl/Tk runs on Windows. The client should run on any OS where Tcl/Tk runs as it seems to be just a display of what the server reports. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Jun 23 01:07:29 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <000006e8000aaf07d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <000006e8000aaf07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <02062300484302.02289@nancy> On Sunday 23 June 2002 00:27, Ryan Ware wrote: snip-- > Most opensource > projects I've seen (not including linux itself) are done by a hand > full of developers, (look at source forge and see how many > developers a project has) in there spare time. No way are they ever > going to build an exchange or notes/domino type product. It seems > to me what software exist on Linux tends to be of > networking/internet related toolsets - not business software. A quick look on freshmeat gives: ?10 categories found Topic :: Office/Business (754 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Financial (280 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Financial :: Accounting (70 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Financial :: Investment (30 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Financial :: Point-Of-Sale (40 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Financial :: Spreadsheet (15 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Groupware (46 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: News/Diary (17 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Office Suites (39 projects) Topic :: Office/Business :: Scheduling (126 projects) It looks like some interest exists. Sure they may not all be what you are looking for, but most probably have not been in existence long. > As long as I'm ranting, another thing we will never see from open > source software is documentation to the level that is typical of > commercial software. I hope this remains true. From what I have seen of commercial software documentation, it is lacking, out of date, a PITA to read.... OS docs on the other hand are witty and to the point. The docs require the user to actually open a file called README. I don't know how many times I have solved a friends problems with an app on Linux when all I did was look at the README or INSTALL plain text file that came with the application. Some apps don't have them, but most mature apps do! Kelly Black KB0GBJ From j at 4dvfx.com Sun Jun 23 01:11:21 2002 From: j at 4dvfx.com (j@4dvfx.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? References: <1024751077.3d1475e50c788@www.williamsongraphics.com> <20020622131718.A8601@real-time.com> <008f01c21a2a$4421ce50$6401a8c0@win2k001> <20020622161033.B8601@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00a701c21a7c$26851d00$6401a8c0@win2k001> I'm used to highend programs, and I thought it was just me that didn't understand Blender. perhaps it's just very different from conventional apps. > Quoting j@4dvfx.com (j@4dvfx.com): > > Blender is no longer being maintained or updated, but it's still the most > > complete program. You can also find a couple good books on it at Barnes & > > Noble and Border's Books. > > It's a vastly complex program! > > The online tutorials assume a knowledge level that a total newbie does not > possess. :-) > > I was able to follow a mountain tutoral, but I can't seem to render the scene, > clicking render does nothing and I cannot seem to find a way to export it to > povray. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 11:10:54 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ray Tracing? In-Reply-To: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 08:22:41PM -0500 References: <20020621202241.Y19755@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020623105411.B28023@real-time.com> > I'd like to use povray as the backend. I'm looking for a good modeller. Any > recommendations? I tried using this tool for a while: http://truevision.sourceforge.net/ looks to have a pretty decent interface. wasn't too hard to use. just make sure you have a recent version of Povray. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From florin at iucha.net Sun Jun 23 11:48:21 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <02062223450900.02289@nancy> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <02062211341500.01537@nancy> <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> <02062223450900.02289@nancy> Message-ID: <20020623163308.GA7991@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:45:09PM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > Again, why do you need to have an e-mail app fired up to check a schedule > when a lightweight (processing done on the server) application will show you > what you need to know. Dunno about your working habits but I allways have the MUA open. And since my current company just migrated to Outlook/Exchange and it wasn't integrated with Schedule, I also have Schedule+ open... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020623/413d39ff/attachment.pgp From linux at dougsweb.net Sun Jun 23 11:48:57 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA Message-ID: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> I was looking at the Sharp Zaurus PDA yesterday at Best Buy, man what a cool little toy! Does anybody on here have one? Syncing it with Linux at all? I'm thinking about getting one in a couple weeks and was curious what experiences anyone on here may have had... -- Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Marketing Group linux@dougsweb.net http://www.dougsweb.net From chrome at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 12:17:02 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0500 References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020623120554.C28023@real-time.com> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Duncan Shannon (duncan@sodatrain.com): > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. > > Free Mt. Dew? > Free Cool can coolers? > Free shirts? free co-lo free ISDN (I can't get cable or DSL) a largely bullshit-free environment a boss with a Clue. I like working for Real-Time. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 12:56:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020623120554.C28023@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:05:59PM -0500 References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> <20020623120554.C28023@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020623124859.A28261@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > free co-lo > free ISDN (I can't get cable or DSL) > a largely bullshit-free environment ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, having to deal with Nate every now and then can suck! :-P I guess the bottomline is a "good" place to work and often offset a big pay check. I believe the opposite is true as well, a big pay check can back a "bad" place to work bareable. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jun 23 13:28:03 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. 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And > since my current company just migrated to Outlook/Exchange and it wasn't > integrated with Schedule, I also have Schedule+ open... > > florin I leave the MUA open all the time (Mutt or Kmail mostly). I would not mind having 2 lightweight apps open all the time, or be able to have a little dockable tooltip in Gnome or KDE, or Windoze (because of the fact the back end app was open source and someone can program to that) that would just get a warning if someone were planning your schedule undo harm :-) How does lookout view the files from the "Shared folders". I would suppose it does so using MAPI. Has anybody found something that will let you browse the non-shared (except for a broken mail client), "Shared folders" from another app? Kelly Black KB0GBJ From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 23 15:04:14 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> <20020623120554.C28023@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D1626CA.41AFEAA8@dccmn.com> Gee, they looking for programmers? Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Duncan Shannon (duncan@sodatrain.com): > > > Not asking any overly personal details... but what would be considered > > > "average" linux sysadmin salary around here with 2-5 years experience? > > > In boston, i think that you could safely be in the $60K+ range. > > > > Free Mt. Dew? > > Free Cool can coolers? > > Free shirts? > > free co-lo > free ISDN (I can't get cable or DSL) > a largely bullshit-free environment > a boss with a Clue. > > I like working for Real-Time. :) > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 23 15:08:25 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> <02062211341500.01537@nancy> <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3D1628F8.382D84E8@dccmn.com> I thought scheduling was pretty neat to, until I tried to get my companions at work to use it. They were rarely interested. And unless everyone keeps all their schedule on it, no deal. It was like this in 3 different companies. Sometimes there is a big gap between neat and usable. Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:34:15AM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > > Has anybody out there looked at this one: > > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/en/ > > > > screenshots here: > > http://www.r-goetz.de/minkowsky/screenshots.html > > > > I know it does not run with the mail client (it is a standalone Tcl/Tk app > > and therefore can run on almost anything with Tcl/Tk and Tix can run on). > > > > It looks cool (although only at a 0.51 in the development scheme of things). > > Changelogs indicate a release on the 10th of this month (June), and some > > frequent activity since 4/2002, so it seems to be live and active. > > > > I would think de-coupling the mail and schedule functions could be a great > > thing for a company. > > I think not. If you ever used the integration of the mail/address > book/schedule in Outlook you wouldn't settle for less. You can look at > your to-do list, decide you need a meeting, retrieve the schedules of > the attendees and find a good time for all, click a couple of buttons > and send them the meeting invitation, they click a couple of buttons and > the meeting place/time is entered in their schedules. Slick. > > I despise Outlook for a bunch of reasons but they got that right. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Sun Jun 23 15:17:03 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake and sound and compiling kernel Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B58B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I need to recompile the kernel on a new installation of Mandrake 8.2. I need to have soundcore be built in to the kernel and not a module. I am using aureal module for a montego A3D soundcard Here are the steps that I go through. make xconfig. Change the setting for the sound Turn off all 3rd party modules because paep does not compile and I don't think that I need them Turn off version checking for the loading of modules because that was a problem make dep make clean make bzImage maek modules make modules_install copy over the bzImage, overwriteing the old kernel reboot When the system is comeing backup I get a bunch of unresolved symbols in busybox the is stops with a kernel crash Please Help. This is the only thing (I thnk) that is preventing my dad from using linux TIA John Miller From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 15:27:41 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <3D1628F8.382D84E8@dccmn.com> References: <002301c2194e$d2bed360$0400a8c0@john> <3D13AE64.80505@mninter.net> <02062211341500.01537@nancy> <20020623035324.GB823@iucha.net> <3D1628F8.382D84E8@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <15638.11418.178337.915062@tsathoggua.mydomain> Wayne Johnson writes: > I thought scheduling was pretty neat to, until I tried to get my > companions at work to use it. They were rarely interested. And unless > everyone keeps all their schedule on it, no deal. It was like this in 3 > different companies. Sometimes there is a big gap between neat and > usable. I recall being one of those people who wouldn't use a scheduler. I figured "what's the angle to me to having other people be able to program my time without asking me?" Sometimes too much efficiency is NOT a good thing.... From dante at plethora.net Sun Jun 23 16:27:06 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Ray Tracing? In-Reply-To: <00a701c21a7c$26851d00$6401a8c0@win2k001> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 j@4dvfx.com wrote: > I'm used to highend programs, and I thought it was just me that didn't > understand Blender. perhaps it's just very different from conventional > apps. > > > > > > It's a vastly complex program! > > > > The online tutorials assume a knowledge level that a total newbie does not > > possess. :-) > > > > I was able to follow a mountain tutoral, but I can't seem to render the > scene, > > clicking render does nothing and I cannot seem to find a way to export it > to > > povray. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 Um, guys... Difficult for beginners + difficult for experienced users = bad interface. Maybe this program isn't all it's cracked up to be? -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From jack at jacku.com Sun Jun 23 16:29:24 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 23 June 2002 11:34, Doug wrote: > I was looking at the Sharp Zaurus PDA yesterday at Best Buy, man what a > cool little toy! Does anybody on here have one? Syncing it with Linux at > all? I'm thinking about getting one in a couple weeks and was curious > what experiences anyone on here may have had... I got one in early May. I like it. Currently I'm using a little app called IQ Notes to track my work at various sites. Its not exactly what I want but it'll do until I find time to learn a little more about QT and specifically PyQT. There are plenty of apps available. Plan on getting some sort of expansion memory if you want to do anything major. I ended up getting a 64Mb MMC about a week and a half after getting the Zaurus. Battery life has be fine for the way I use it. (I don't "live" by this, though it might change once I get KOrganizer on it. :-) Oh if you do PHP programming and have some apps you want with you, there's an Apache/PHP package for the Zaurus and I think somebody has ported/packaged MySQL as well. And of course the Zaurus comes with Opera for a browser. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 16:45:07 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8.1 on gladiator Message-ID: <20020623163421.7fb150ec.sfertch@real-time.com> Out of curiosity, when's the mirror for Slack 8.1 going to be put on gladiator? Shawn From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sun Jun 23 19:01:04 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <15638.11418.178337.915062@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: We just used to signify to other people when we were away and where we were and stuff. It made life easier, where's Bob, oh I see, he's at the dentist. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of rpgoldman@real-time.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Wayne Johnson writes: > I thought scheduling was pretty neat to, until I tried to get my > companions at work to use it. They were rarely interested. And unless > everyone keeps all their schedule on it, no deal. It was like this in 3 > different companies. Sometimes there is a big gap between neat and > usable. I recall being one of those people who wouldn't use a scheduler. I figured "what's the angle to me to having other people be able to program my time without asking me?" Sometimes too much efficiency is NOT a good thing.... _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 23 19:56:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8.1 on gladiator In-Reply-To: <20020623163421.7fb150ec.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:34:21PM -0500 References: <20020623163421.7fb150ec.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020623194915.B28261@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch (sfertch@real-time.com): > Out of curiosity, when's the mirror for Slack 8.1 going to be put on > gladiator? send your post to slackware-mirror@mn-linux.org, the maintainers are there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jimstreit at northlans.com Sun Jun 23 23:10:17 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <200206240354.g5O3shJ12120@linuxserver.northlans.com> If you find anything let me know, I'm going thru the same thing right now. I've looked at a number of different solutions, but yet to find a replacement that will work 100%. Even with the Bynari solution (which was the closest thing I've found yet), there were a couple of things that Exchange does that we needed and we can't find outside of Exchange. Jim > Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange > server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use outlook > functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... > > -John > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Jun 24 03:45:40 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Linux 7.2 and firewall Message-ID: <200205230503.g4N53Os20570@linuxserver.northlans.com> Check out this little script that I have used in the past. It's called EndoShield. I used it a number of times. http://endoshield.sourceforge.net/ Jim > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > I just discovered the Linux User Group on the web. I am looking for Linux > assistance to solve a problem. I am new to Linux/Unix but after using for > about 6 months, I can see that it is great OS. Can you recommend one of your > members or a student to help me solve what I believe is a small problem. I > am attempting to setup iptables on Redhat 7.2. The Linux box will be placed > in front of a 4 node windows network. I an able to ping both the inside and > outside network card from any of my windows PCs. But I can't ping anything > on the internet from inside. I can also surf the web from the linux box. I > have down loaded gShield and attempted to install. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Philip > > From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Jun 24 09:00:11 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is there a project for this? Message-ID: <4395.204.220.59.133.1024922267.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have a school looking to stream line purchase order requests. I would like to find something that is web based, secure, searchable by history, dept, etc, has auto numbering, and can track the progress from open to close. This sounds almost like Request Tracker, except it would need a column for adding up totals, etc.. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 24 11:32:15 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNU Enterprise (was "Linux email server question") In-Reply-To: <000006e8000aaf07d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <000006e8000aaf07d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020624162332.GA26317@wookimus.net> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:27:04AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > We'll never see openSAP for instance. There doesn't seem to be anyone > interested in building that kind of thing... http://www.gnuenterprise.org -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All you need to do is configure your modules support correctly. > I am using aureal module for a montego A3D soundcard OUCH. Aureal went out of business, and they oringally only packaged binary modules. There's not much we can do to fix this card. I did get it working when I had an aureal, but abandoned it for a $30 Create Labs ES1371 PCI card. > Here are the steps that I go through. > make xconfig. > Change the setting for the sound > Turn off all 3rd party modules because paep does not compile and I > don't think that I need them Turn off version checking for the loading > of modules because that was a problem As long as you compile the modules against the same header files that the kernel was compiled against, you should be fine w/module versioning. > make dep > make clean > make bzImage > maek modules > make modules_install > copy over the bzImage, overwriteing the old kernel You could probably just do a 'make install' to copy over the kernel. > reboot Remember to rerun lilo. If you copied over the original file, you may not actually be saving it in the same inode as the original. If there's not enough space, the pointer to the file name may locate a different inode. ALWAYS rerun lilo if you're using lilo. If you're running grub, disregard this advise. > When the system is comeing backup I get a bunch of unresolved symbols > in busybox the is stops with a kernel crash This usually means that you've not run depmod for your new kernel install. You can do this before you reboot (read depmod manual) or inside your init scripts (this is how it's usually done). Read through your initialization scripts for the Mandrake boot and see where modules are initialized. > Please Help. This is the only thing (I thnk) that is preventing my > dad from using linux Good luck. Advice #1: dump the Aureal card. Advice #2: only recompile a kernel when you absolutely have to. Advice #3: Don't get discouraged, just Read The Fine Manual and ask questions here when you get stuck. Advice #4: Have fun! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020624/3869881f/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 24 11:54:49 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D1626CA.41AFEAA8@dccmn.com> References: <3D125A70.3010304@sodatrain.com> <20020620230516.D25898@real-time.com> <20020623120554.C28023@real-time.com> <3D1626CA.41AFEAA8@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20020624164208.GD26317@wookimus.net> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 02:51:38PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Gee, they looking for programmers? I wish! Bob, you'd better call me if you do! ;-) This time, I'll document things better. *grin* -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020624/97056144/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 24 11:55:29 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20020624164446.GE26317@wookimus.net> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:27:12PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I got one in early May. I like it. Currently I'm using a little app > called IQ Notes to track my work at various sites. Its not exactly > what I want but it'll do until I find time to learn a little more > about QT and specifically PyQT. mmm...Zaurus. I'm waiting for the Sony Yopy to make it to the commercial market here in the US, especially if I'm going to spend > $400 on a PDA. Larger screen, larger keypad, more "Open" than the Sharp development environment (i.e. QT licensing). Oh yeah, and no dependence on QT! *whee* -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But now I've got multiple machines in my local network, and want to have them all send mail (nothing grandiose --- mostly sysadmin mail like log watch results, cron job results, etc.) to one local machine. Unfortunately, what I did to get my out-of-network mail to work keeps me from correctly routing local network mail (since I don't have a FQDN that the world recognizes). Any suggestions about how to build a "but" into the smart-hosting? In the non-smtp based configurations page of the sendmail web page, I find the following: define(`SMART_HOST', `suucp:uunet') LOCAL_NET_CONFIG R$* < @ $* .$m. > $* $#smtp $@ $2.$m. $: $1 < @ $2.$m. > $3 but this is so inscrutable that I'm reluctant to just whang it into my sendmail.mc.... If it doesn't work I'm not going to have a clue how to debug it.... I think what I want somehow is to define the local domain by listing a bunch of machine names and a bogon dn (.mydomain) and have that mail avoid the smart_host. but I can't figure out how to make that happen. These aren't LOCAL addresses. They're LOCAL DOMAIN addresses. I find lots of resources about the former, but I'm not finding stuff about the latter. Thanks, R From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 24 13:53:55 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNU Enterprise (was "Linux email server question") In-Reply-To: <00000a0e010dd507d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <00000a0e010dd507d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020624183457.GH26317@wookimus.net> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 11:49:23AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > > > http://www.gnuenterprise.org > > I was mistaken. It looks pretty young though. The project has actually be going on for some years now, and having absorbed or merged with no less than three other projects, including one I started long ago (OpenRP), it has a good developer base. It has matured past the "talk" stage and is well into "production use" at certain sites. Currently, GNUe Forms and GNUe Reports seem to work well in tying database records to form and report elements, though it doesn't yet have the n-tier we're trying to build. It makes a great replacement for M$ Access applications. Work is being done to create the middle layers of the n-tier architecture, including business objects, methods, and your basic Object->Relational mapping. The appserver pushes out XML Forms and Data to the clients quite well, making it technically a 3-tier architecture, but maybe not in the sense that most developers envision. All in all, it is young, but it's maturing quickly. Is it comparable to SAP yet? No. Will it be? Maybe not. I think there's a different design goal for GNU Enterprise than SAP. Regardless, it is A solution in this world of MANY solutions, but the point that matters is that it's a GNU solution. That means no Java, no closed source, and freedom as in "free beer". -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020624/c55c1475/attachment.pgp From linux at dougsweb.net Mon Jun 24 14:36:32 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <1024946334.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Do you sync it with Linux or windows? Also I thought I saw a blurb over the weekend on KOrganizer embedded 1.0 being released... On Sun, 2002-06-23 at 16:27, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I got one in early May. I like it. Currently I'm using a little app called IQ > Notes to track my work at various sites. Its not exactly what I want but > it'll do until I find time to learn a little more about QT and specifically > PyQT. > > There are plenty of apps available. Plan on getting some sort of expansion > memory if you want to do anything major. I ended up getting a 64Mb MMC about > a week and a half after getting the Zaurus. Battery life has be fine for the > way I use it. (I don't "live" by this, though it might change once I get > KOrganizer on it. :-) Oh if you do PHP programming and have some apps you > want with you, there's an Apache/PHP package for the Zaurus and I think > somebody has ported/packaged MySQL as well. And of course the Zaurus comes > with Opera for a browser. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Marketing Group linux@dougsweb.net http://www.dougsweb.net From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jun 24 17:42:47 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <200206240354.g5O3shJ12120@linuxserver.northlans.com> References: <200206240354.g5O3shJ12120@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020624150649.GA22017@rtfm.sistina.com> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 10:54:43PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: >If you find anything let me know, I'm going thru the same thing right >now. I've looked at a number of different solutions, but yet to find a >replacement that will work 100%. > >Even with the Bynari solution (which was the closest thing I've found >yet), there were a couple of things that Exchange does that we needed >and we can't find outside of Exchange. Like what? > >Jim > >> Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange >> server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use >outlook >> functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... >> >> -John >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But, when I invoke them from cron, I get responses like this: From: root@tsathoggua.mydomain (Cron Daemon) To: root@tsathoggua.mydomain Subject: Cron su rpg -c /home/rpg/bin/backup-machine1 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:00:01 -0500 (CDT) building file list ... rsync: error writing 4092 unbuffered bytes - exiting: Broken pipe rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(464) Any idea why this should happen? Thanks, R From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Jun 24 18:50:29 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: > I got one in early May. I like it. Currently I'm using a little app called IQ > Notes to track my work at various sites. Its not exactly what I want but > it'll do until I find time to learn a little more about QT and specifically > PyQT. > Are you sync'ing to linux at all? If so, how do you do it. thanks. From nate at refried.org Mon Jun 24 19:04:04 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron jobs In-Reply-To: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020624235955.GA4815@refried.org> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 10:00:17AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I was wondering if any of you have experience debugging cron jobs. Start out by running "env", "set", and "ulimit -a" as part of your cron job. It could be an environmental difference. You might be able to get the same information by looking at /proc//environ. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jun 24 19:04:36 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron jobs In-Reply-To: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020625000608.GA5927@rtfm.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 10:00:17AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > >I was wondering if any of you have experience debugging cron jobs. > >Here's my problem: I have three cron jobs that I run from root's >crontab that look like this (with variations for different uids): > >0 1 * * * su rpg -c /home/rpg/bin/backup-machine1 Are you using rsyncd? If not, you're probably trying to tunnel over ssh. put "export RSYNC_RSH="ssh" at the top of your backup-machine1 script. > >When I run these scripts from the command line, they work fine. The >scripts just invoke rsync (running "locally," between two different >nfs directories mounted on the same machine) to do some backups. > >But, when I invoke them from cron, I get responses like this: > >From: root@tsathoggua.mydomain (Cron Daemon) >To: root@tsathoggua.mydomain >Subject: Cron su rpg -c /home/rpg/bin/backup-machine1 >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:00:01 -0500 (CDT) > >building file list ... rsync: error writing 4092 unbuffered bytes - exiting: Broken pipe >rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(464) > >Any idea why this should happen? > >Thanks, >R >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For anyone trying to put together any type of presentation on open source it should provide some very useful information. -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Jun 24 19:29:09 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron jobs In-Reply-To: <20020625000608.GA5927@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020625000608.GA5927@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <15639.46731.309650.410837@tsathoggua.mydomain> Ben Lutgens writes: > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 10:00:17AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > >I was wondering if any of you have experience debugging cron jobs. > > > >Here's my problem: I have three cron jobs that I run from root's > >crontab that look like this (with variations for different uids): > > > >0 1 * * * su rpg -c /home/rpg/bin/backup-machine1 > > Are you using rsyncd? If not, you're probably trying to tunnel over ssh. > put "export RSYNC_RSH="ssh" at the top of your backup-machine1 script. Actually, I'm not tunneling at all --- the machine in question ("machine1") has exported a home directory using nfs. The backing up machine (on which the cron job runs) mounts it through the automounter. So it's a virtually local rsync. [the above is a little oversimplified. I have two machines, machine1 and machine2. machine2 is running the cron job. I have a homedir on machine1 and a homedir on machine2. machine1 exports two directories: the home directory and a place to put backups. so what happens is /home/rpg (machine2) --> /misc/backup/rpg (really on machine1) and /misc/rpg (really on machine1) --> /backup/rpg (really on machine2). But these both look local to machine 2. So I shouldn't be using rsh or any substitute, as far as I can tell. R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Jun 24 19:29:49 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron jobs In-Reply-To: <20020624235955.GA4815@refried.org> References: <15639.13313.670356.916705@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020624235955.GA4815@refried.org> Message-ID: <15639.46911.577030.660141@tsathoggua.mydomain> nate@refried.org writes: > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 10:00:17AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I was wondering if any of you have experience debugging cron jobs. > > Start out by running "env", "set", and "ulimit -a" as part of your cron > job. It could be an environmental difference. You might be able to get > the same information by looking at /proc//environ. Thanks! I'll try that. R From bneigebauer at attbi.com Mon Jun 24 19:37:02 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, for all of those interested in the rack unit. Its 24" deep. Both the back and the front swing open. I am willing to work some sort of trade for an 802.11b access point. I don't really want the money, but I really want an access point. I am going to join up to the twincities wireless group.... Anyone in inver grove heights near 52nd st? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Items for Sale These things are not forbidden, but it is nice to mark the [OT] or [Off Topic] so that those who want to filter traffic that is not related to Linux can do so. Thanks, Troy >>> bneigebauer@attbi.com 06/18/02 01:54PM >>> Hello, Also thought I would mention that I have a small enclosed rack unit. Its on wheels, front and back open and are keyed. There is a plate on the back for putting key-jacks, supports like 20 (3 included), or you can remove for raw cable access. Comes with two high speed fans on top. It includes one rack shelf and has room for about 6 1U units (I believe) Anyone want a rack for their network hardware?? I just moved into an apartment, so I need to unload some of this stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale I don't know if this is forbidden on this list, but: I have the following items for sale: Cisco 400 Series 12 port 10/100 1U HUB (Used, with mounting brackets) Enlight ATX case + PS (some wear, but PS is good) Plaintree WaveSwitch 100 16 Port 10mbps Switch, 3u rackmount. Manageable, with 10/100 card. (Used and ancient) Compact Flash <-> IDE Adapter/Converter. You can boot linux off a flash card! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 From jack at jacku.com Mon Jun 24 20:42:04 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <1024946334.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> <1024946334.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: <200206242035.36672.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 24 June 2002 14:18, Doug wrote: > Do you sync it with Linux or windows? > > Also I thought I saw a blurb over the weekend on KOrganizer embedded 1.0 > being released... > Right now I'm syncing with Windows. I downloaded and installed the Qtopia desktop for Linux but haven't been able to get it to sync. (Honestly I haven't tried much since for me its currently more of "free standing" tool.) I suspect its the USB cradle and my less than abundent experience with USB that are at the root of the problem. I thought about getting a serial cable but $40 was a little steep. (Office Depot is the only place in town that carries the accessories.) I've download the .ipk of KOrganizer just haven't gotten it loaded yet. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Mon Jun 24 20:42:36 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA In-Reply-To: <20020624164446.GE26317@wookimus.net> References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> <20020624164446.GE26317@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200206242037.57525.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 24 June 2002 11:44, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:27:12PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > I got one in early May. I like it. Currently I'm using a little app > > called IQ Notes to track my work at various sites. Its not exactly > > what I want but it'll do until I find time to learn a little more > > about QT and specifically PyQT. > > mmm...Zaurus. I'm waiting for the Sony Yopy to make it to the > commercial market here in the US, especially if I'm going to spend > > $400 on a PDA. Larger screen, larger keypad, more "Open" than the Sharp > development environment (i.e. QT licensing). Oh yeah, and no dependence > on QT! *whee* Well the Yopy's been on the horizon for a long time. If you don't like the QT licensing (Which I don't understand. Windows is the only platform with restrictions as far as I know.) there is always personal Java, using jeode. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From cbidler at innominatus.com Mon Jun 24 22:25:06 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus PDA References: <1024850053.2646.14.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <200206231627.12793.jack@jacku.com> <20020624164446.GE26317@wookimus.net> <200206242037.57525.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <3D17DE88.1040601@innominatus.com> Jack Ungerleider wrote: > If you don't like the QT > licensing (Which I don't understand. Windows is the only platform with > restrictions as far as I know.) there is always personal Java, using jeode. From another post of Chad's, which hit the list earlier today: >but the point that matters is that it's a GNU solution. >That means no Java, no closed source, and freedom as in "free beer". ^^^^^^^ I think it's the GPL-correctness of the Yopy that is most interesting to him, not the avoidance of the specific Qt-license issues (if any). FWIW, Chris Johnson Bidler From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 25 03:31:45 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Items for Sale In-Reply-To: ; from bneigebauer@attbi.com on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 07:33:38PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020625031102.D17683@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 07:33:38PM -0500, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Hi, for all of those interested in the rack unit. > > Its 24" deep. Both the back and the front swing open. > > I am willing to work some sort of trade for an 802.11b access point. > I don't really want the money, but I really want an access point. > > I am going to join up to the twincities wireless group.... > > Anyone in inver grove heights near 52nd st? I'm just south of 80th, across from IHCC =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From rotbau at squishnet.com Tue Jun 25 10:48:05 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9 chroot Message-ID: <1025017270.1rotbau@squishnet.com> I recently wrote to the list regarding setting up Bind 9 in a chroot environment. Thanks to some good info from the group I got it set up and running. I also picked up the O'reilly DNS and Bind ver 4 that some of you recommend it and it is a great reference. I wasn't able to find a real detailed look at how the chroot actually works. I noticed that I didn't need to move the named binary (/usr/sbin)or any of the lib.c modules from their current locations outside the chroot jail. I am curious why these didn't need to be moved to allow named to function in the chroot environment. I am guessing that the named binary loads as root and then changes to the user I have it set to run under after it starts. Looking in TOP I can see that the named daemon is indeed running as the correct user and not as root so I assume it is working correctly. Anybody know the mechanics of it and how to make sure it is running correctly? Just curious. Regards, rotbau From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Jun 25 14:04:04 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question (maybe OT) References: <20020625031102.D17683@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3A80438B.6050902@ppdonline.com> Hello, I'm running an Apache web server and have a virtual host set up on it. I want to define a cgi directory for the virtual host and am not sure how to do it. Any ideas? Thanks, Ben. From amy at real-time.com Tue Jun 25 14:18:04 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin & MIMEDefang Message-ID: <20020625134749.U1513@real-time.com> I'm thinking of setting up spamassassin and according to: http://spamassassin.org/sitewide.html ...there are several ways of setting up site-wide. I noticed MIMEDefang listed as an option to filter viruses & spam, which looked like a nice option. Anyone using this and care to comment? Pros/cons on using this versus other options? Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Put an appropriate scriptalias directive within the virtualhost definition. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jun 25 15:02:14 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin & MIMEDefang In-Reply-To: <20020625134749.U1513@real-time.com> References: <20020625134749.U1513@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020625195052.GC20101@wookimus.net> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:47:49PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm thinking of setting up spamassassin and according to: > > http://spamassassin.org/sitewide.html > > ...there are several ways of setting up site-wide. I noticed MIMEDefang > listed as an option to filter viruses & spam, which looked like a nice > option. > > Anyone using this and care to comment? Pros/cons on using this versus > other options? We are experimenting with spamassassin at the procmailrc level on a per-user basis. However, we are scanning for viruses with amavis backed by clam antivirus. It seems to work VERY well for identifying and quarantining viruses. And spamassassin rarely misses on the email I elect to have it scan. (The spamd/spamc combo is very nice). -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It doesn't support creation of server side rules either. > > > >> Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate > Microsoft exchange > >> server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use > >outlook > >> functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... Samsung OpenMail. I don't know if it's out yet though. They bought it from HP, and were making improvements before re-releasing it. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 25 20:17:31 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin & MIMEDefang In-Reply-To: <20020625134749.U1513@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm thinking of setting up spamassassin and according to: > > http://spamassassin.org/sitewide.html > > ...there are several ways of setting up site-wide. I noticed > MIMEDefang listed as an option to filter viruses & spam, which looked > like a nice option. > > Anyone using this and care to comment? Pros/cons on using this versus > other options? Yes. It rocks. You have to be using Sendmail to do this, of course, because Mimedefang's milter, and nothing else supports Milter yet, afaik. Only issue is per-user prefs for SA won't work without some options in Mimedefang that increase load quite a bit if you get messages that go to multiple recipients (stream_by_user, iirc, which makes it process the message again for each user, instead of processing it one time for all users). Also, if you can, use one of the efficient virus scanners, like sophie -- I'm still using uvscan for most places, which launces the virus scanner each time a message comes in, instead of just making a TCP connection to a box with the virus scanner.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Jun 25 20:45:10 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887BB9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887BB9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <02062520162200.19061@nancy> On Tuesday 25 June 2002 11:15, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Samsung OpenMail. I don't know if it's out yet though. They bought it > from HP, and were making improvements before re-releasing it. > > Jay I have a demo disk somewhere on my desk. Not sure as to the limitations, but I think they will send you a copy if you ask. From my little bit of reading about and considering OpenMail, if they kept most of the features, it would be a competent replacement for Exchange Server. Nice set of command line tools to work on individual mailboxes rather than the glob database that Exchange uses. I should set up the demo and do a comparison. I know OpenMail had a "free" license for Linux installs that allowed up to 50 licenses for free (annually renewed). I don't seem to see a similar offering for Samsung Contact. If you are after "full" support for a closed client with a proprietary protocol, I would say that would be asking a bit much. Plus Samsung Contact is just another proprietary set of tools that would seem to be tied to a commercial entity that could up and die tomorrow. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 25 20:45:48 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887BB9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D19192A.5040302@ringworld.org> Austad, Jay wrote: > client immediately, you don't have to check every 5 minutes for your mail. > It doesn't support creation of server side rules either. Anyone who uses mail to rely on time in transit is insane anyhow. Use instant messaging. Theres mutiple commercial and non-commercial solutions that are simple, quite reliable, and even let your users publish their presence data to others in the workplace. And, they dont need to be part of some large network! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Jun 25 21:31:04 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <3D19192A.5040302@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887BB9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3D19192A.5040302@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <02062521103500.02330@nancy> On Tuesday 25 June 2002 20:30, Scott Dier wrote: > Austad, Jay wrote: > > client immediately, you don't have to check every 5 minutes for your > > mail. It doesn't support creation of server side rules either. > > Anyone who uses mail to rely on time in transit is insane anyhow. Use > instant messaging. Theres mutiple commercial and non-commercial > solutions that are simple, quite reliable, and even let your users > publish their presence data to others in the workplace. And, they dont > need to be part of some large network! Great idea! Jabber looks like a good choice for this type of effort. Wonder if the IM folks would ever work schedule info in to the protocol.... Kelly Black KB0GBJ From linux at dougsweb.net Tue Jun 25 22:14:14 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux Message-ID: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? Thanks -- Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Marketing Group linux@dougsweb.net http://www.dougsweb.net From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jun 25 22:32:02 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet>; from linux@dougsweb.net on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:03:38PM -0500 References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: <20020625222558.A14292@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:03:38PM -0500, Doug wrote: > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? > One possible solution may be the ncftp suite, particularly ncftpput. Standard command-line FTP is hard to automate unless you want to get into Expect or some such. -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From theixian at hotmail.com Tue Jun 25 22:32:33 2002 From: theixian at hotmail.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? > > Thanks Try the ncftp package (specifically ncftpput) LB From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 25 22:40:20 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: Doug writes: > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? Well, I think you *could* do that, but there's a much easier way: use the command-line tool "wget". It supports ftp as well as http (you'll probably hear it described as for getting "web pages", but it's not limited to that). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Jun 25 22:48:15 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet>; from linux@dougsweb.net on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:03:38PM -0500 References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: <20020625224357.A6317@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:03:38PM -0500, Doug wrote: > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? man expect or, if expect isn't already on your system, see the web page: http://expect.nist.gov/ or, if you prefer Perl, maybe use libwww-perl: perldoc LWP -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Jun 25 23:46:37 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from mbrowne@attbi.com on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 09:28:22PM -0500 References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 09:28:22PM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > Doh! > Forgot the mildly amusing attachment. > > > The attached gem seems to sum it all up for me. > > Mark Browne > > > > The Parable of the two Programmers > Neil W. Rickert > Dept. of Math, Stat., and Computer Science, > University of Illinois at Chicago. Interesting story, but my opinion is that this story does not compare apples-to-apples. Among our virtuoso software developer's activities, I saw no mention of gathering requirements from the end users, summarizing technical options for decision makers (aka PHBs), defining test cases, or writing user documentation. Like I said, not apples-to-apples. While I agree it's possible for two guys with shovels to be more productive than ten people running around having discussions and attending meetings (paraphrase from The Unix Guide to Defenestration), it's also usually important to clearly define/refine the software requirements before/while proceeding with a software development project (i.e. to avoid building the wrong thing). This can burn up quite a bit of time. Also, lines of code (LOC) is not a reliable measure of programming productivity. Fastest way to generate lots of LOC is copy/paste. Just try maintaining that kind of mess, though (e.g. 10 similar programs created with copy/paste). Substantial effort is commonly required to refactor code and actually reduce the number of LOC. Playing space invaders at work ... not generally considered a career enhancing activity. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From jiml at visi.com Tue Jun 25 23:47:17 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <02062521103500.02330@nancy> Message-ID: PHPGroupware offers all of instant messaging, sharing of files, email access, etc and can be made secure for external access. It is easily customizable for organizational and departmental use as well. Jim Louis -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Black Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question Importance: High On Tuesday 25 June 2002 20:30, Scott Dier wrote: > Austad, Jay wrote: > > client immediately, you don't have to check every 5 minutes for your > > mail. It doesn't support creation of server side rules either. > > Anyone who uses mail to rely on time in transit is insane anyhow. Use > instant messaging. Theres mutiple commercial and non-commercial > solutions that are simple, quite reliable, and even let your users > publish their presence data to others in the workplace. And, they dont > need to be part of some large network! Great idea! Jabber looks like a good choice for this type of effort. Wonder if the IM folks would ever work schedule info in to the protocol.... Kelly Black KB0GBJ From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jun 26 00:03:25 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux email server question Message-ID: <200206260446.g5Q4koC16312@linuxserver.northlans.com> Really the biggest thing was that it didn't support server side rules, at least not from the OutLook client. You know how you can use the rules wizard to setup filters to respond ways to different messages or other triggers. Well Exchange knows if that rule is to be a server side rule that runs all the time (Outlook open or not), or a client side rule that only runs when OutLook is open. A couple of examples of server side rules that we use a lot are; - An out of the Office message that gets automatically sent to the sender of an e-mail message. - Automatically forward messages from person X to person Y. > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 10:54:43PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > >If you find anything let me know, I'm going thru the same thing right > >now. I've looked at a number of different solutions, but yet to find a > >replacement that will work 100%. > > > >Even with the Bynari solution (which was the closest thing I've found > >yet), there were a couple of things that Exchange does that we needed > >and we can't find outside of Exchange. > > Like what? > > > > >Jim > > > >> Are their any email servers for Linux that emulate Microsoft exchange > >> server? What I'm after is a server that will allow groups to use > >outlook > >> functions such as the calendar, tasks, etc... > >> > >> -John > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. | > > "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial > Droids now do ya?" > > From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jun 26 00:17:54 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question Message-ID: <200206260505.g5Q557R16399@linuxserver.northlans.com> One of the reasons that I haven't benn able to move to a web based groupware solution is because they don't sync with hand held devices. I have a large user base of Palm, Handspring, Clic', Ipac ... and one of the holding points has been that they all make sync software for OutLook. > PHPGroupware offers all of instant messaging, sharing of files, email > access, etc and can be made secure for external access. It is easily > customizable for organizational and departmental use as well. > > Jim Louis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Black > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question > Importance: High > > > On Tuesday 25 June 2002 20:30, Scott Dier wrote: > > Austad, Jay wrote: > > > client immediately, you don't have to check every 5 minutes for your > > > mail. It doesn't support creation of server side rules either. > > > > Anyone who uses mail to rely on time in transit is insane anyhow. Use > > instant messaging. Theres mutiple commercial and non-commercial > > solutions that are simple, quite reliable, and even let your users > > publish their presence data to others in the workplace. And, they dont > > need to be part of some large network! > > Great idea! Jabber looks like a good choice for this type of effort. > Wonder > if the IM folks would ever work schedule info in to the protocol.... > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Jun 26 06:44:04 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake and sound and compiling kernel Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Well I opted for buying a new sound card. Got SB 16 pci. Plugged it in, ran harddrake. If found it, configured it and then told me (through the speakers) that it was configured. Thanks for the reply John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:40 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake and sound and compiling kernel On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 03:09:17PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > I need to recompile the kernel on a new installation of Mandrake 8.2. > I need to have soundcore be built in to the kernel and not a module. Why's this? That doesn't sound right. You don't really ever NEED a soundcard support to be built in. All you need to do is configure your modules support correctly. > I am using aureal module for a montego A3D soundcard OUCH. Aureal went out of business, and they oringally only packaged binary modules. There's not much we can do to fix this card. I did get it working when I had an aureal, but abandoned it for a $30 Create Labs ES1371 PCI card. > Here are the steps that I go through. > make xconfig. > Change the setting for the sound > Turn off all 3rd party modules because paep does not compile and I > don't think that I need them Turn off version checking for the loading > of modules because that was a problem As long as you compile the modules against the same header files that the kernel was compiled against, you should be fine w/module versioning. > make dep > make clean > make bzImage > maek modules > make modules_install > copy over the bzImage, overwriteing the old kernel You could probably just do a 'make install' to copy over the kernel. > reboot Remember to rerun lilo. If you copied over the original file, you may not actually be saving it in the same inode as the original. If there's not enough space, the pointer to the file name may locate a different inode. ALWAYS rerun lilo if you're using lilo. If you're running grub, disregard this advise. > When the system is comeing backup I get a bunch of unresolved symbols > in busybox the is stops with a kernel crash This usually means that you've not run depmod for your new kernel install. You can do this before you reboot (read depmod manual) or inside your init scripts (this is how it's usually done). Read through your initialization scripts for the Mandrake boot and see where modules are initialized. > Please Help. This is the only thing (I thnk) that is preventing my > dad from using linux Good luck. Advice #1: dump the Aureal card. Advice #2: only recompile a kernel when you absolutely have to. Advice #3: Don't get discouraged, just Read The Fine Manual and ask questions here when you get stuck. Advice #4: Have fun! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 26 06:47:43 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <20020625224357.A6317@joelschneider.net> References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <20020625224357.A6317@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020626113937.GA23558@fandre.com> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:03:38PM -0500, Doug wrote: > > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? > > man expect > > or, if expect isn't already on your system, see the web page: > > http://expect.nist.gov/ > > or, if you prefer Perl, maybe use libwww-perl: > > perldoc LWP > Why do all this for a simple ftp script? KISS. #!/bin/sh HOST="ftpserver" USER="username password" export HOST USER /usr/bin/ftp -n <<-+++ open $HOST user $USER get remotefile.txt localfile.txt quit +++ From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Jun 26 06:49:42 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I used expect to go and pickup a file from a server. I took the example script that expect supplied and modified it to meet my needs. John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug [mailto:linux@dougsweb.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:04 PM To: TCLUG mailing list Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? Thanks -- Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Marketing Group linux@dougsweb.net http://www.dougsweb.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Jun 26 08:14:37 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: Cisco 67[5,8] Message-ID: <20020626075646.A27478@knicknack.net> Over the course of time, several people on the list have mentioned that they have a Cisco 675/678 that they no longer need. I now have need for one. If you have one available, please let me know off list. Thanks, Eric From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jun 26 08:19:30 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:40:28PM -0500 References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:40:28PM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > Interesting story, but my opinion is that this story does not compare > apples-to-apples. Among our virtuoso software developer's activities, I > saw no mention of gathering requirements from the end users, summarizing > technical options for decision makers (aka PHBs), defining test cases, > or writing user documentation. Like I said, not apples-to-apples. How do you figure? I don't see any mention of the other guys doing any of these things either. They start off with "churning out preliminary reports and problem analyses" and "when tested [Charles's code] does everything required in the specifications", which implies that Charles had a spec, even if he didn't write it himself. > Also, lines of code (LOC) is not a reliable measure of programming > productivity. Fastest way to generate lots of LOC is copy/paste. Just > try maintaining that kind of mess, though (e.g. 10 similar programs > created with copy/paste). Substantial effort is commonly required to > refactor code and actually reduce the number of LOC. Uh, yeah. That appears to be one of the points of the story. One guy thinks hard about the program and writes a 500-line program which is superior to the 2,500-line program produced by 4-man team following the "PQR structured design methodology". I don't see anything to indicate that Rickert was promoting the use of LOC to measure productivity. (Yeah, the bosses in the story use it, but that use leads them to do exactly the wrong things. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the practice.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Wed Jun 26 09:09:34 2002 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <3D19C870.20706@securecomputing.com> This script is doing a put, but Perl has a FTP module that works great. Here's some I use to export logs to a different host. The comments should explain what you need to do: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # load the FTP modules for Perl use Net::FTP; # the source directory where the logs to be FTP'd are located $sourcedir = ""; # the log file to be FTP'd $filename = ""; # the directory on the remote FTP server where the log files will be put $destdir=""; # the name of the log once on the remote FTP server $destfile=""; # debug statements to make sure the script is in the correct directory #$RESULT=`ls -lay $sourcedir$filename`; #print "$RESULT \n"; # create a new FTP session with the remote FTP server in *PASSIVE* mode $ftp = Net::FTP->new("", Debug => 1, Passive => 1) || die "Can not connect: $@\n"; # use the following username and password to log into the remote FTP server $ftp->login("", "") || die "Can not login\n"; print "1\n"; # once logged in change to the directory the user wants the log files $ftp->cwd("$destdir") || die "Can not change directory \n"; print "2\n"; # tell the users it went to the correct directory print "I'm in directory ", $ftp->pwd(), "\n"; print "3\n"; # changed FTP session into a binary session $ftp->binary(); # debug statement to make sure the script knows the file to be transfered #print "$filename \n"; # do a FTP "put" command of the log files the user wanted transfered $ftp->put("$sourcedir$filename") || die "Can not put $filename $!\n"; print "4\n"; # quit the FTP session $ftp->quit() || warn "Couldn't quit. Oh well.\n"; print "5\n"; -- Jamie Seeman Secure Computing - Test Engineer 651.628.5420 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 09:19:01 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <3D19C870.20706@securecomputing.com> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <3D19C870.20706@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <15641.52380.179710.213567@tsathoggua.mydomain> I'm afraid I've lost the original question, but seems like a lot of scripting's going on here. Can't the objective be accomplished just by using ncftpput? R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 09:19:42 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key Message-ID: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose key? I'd like to type some e-grave's and can't figure out how to do it. I have a Mandrake 8.2 box (French, go figure, you'd think this would be easy). The config files seem to indicate that Compose would be on PrintScrn, but no dice, as far as I can tell..... Please tell me this can be done without editing xkms.... That way lies madness --- I'd rather just type \'{e}.... Thanks, R From linux at dougsweb.net Wed Jun 26 09:59:23 2002 From: linux at dougsweb.net (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <15641.52380.179710.213567@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <3D19C870.20706@securecomputing.com> <15641.52380.179710.213567@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1025102165.1895.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Wow what a response!!! Thanks Everybody... I just set it up with ncftpput, however that perl script just gave me an idea for something else I'll tinker with this weekend, and I'll probably play with export too... Gracias gang.. On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 09:15, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I'm afraid I've lost the original question, but seems like a lot of > scripting's going on here. Can't the objective be accomplished just > by using ncftpput? > -- Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Marketing Group linux@dougsweb.net http://www.dougsweb.net From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 26 10:17:22 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > key? WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? Check your window manager keybindings. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020626/05961b3e/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 26 10:22:21 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <15641.52380.179710.213567@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A70C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <3D19C870.20706@securecomputing.com> <15641.52380.179710.213567@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020626150645.GE9443@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:15:56AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I'm afraid I've lost the original question, but seems like a lot of > scripting's going on here. Can't the objective be accomplished just > by using ncftpput? I would agree. I like lftp[1], myself. It's cleaner than ncftp, IMHO, but of course, opinions are purely subjective. Try them both out. lftp -c "put " References ---------- 1. http://freshmeat.net/projects/lftp/?topic_id=89%2C90 -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020626/21fcfb95/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 10:48:59 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> Chad Walstrom writes: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > > key? > > WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > Check your window manager keybindings. The compose key is the key that lets you build ISO characters (French letters? :->) like e with various accents. Now I see why the German guy on the HOWTO list grumbles about American Culture [sic] Imperialism! I don't think this is a matter for the window mangler, is it? I found the following in a .xkm file: keycode 99 = Compose keycode 100 = AltGr alt keycode 100 = Compose ...but it doesn't seem to work as advertised. See dumpkeys, for example to see what it should do: compose ',' 'i' to '?' Keycode 99 does seem to be mapped to compose, per the description, and pressing PrintScrn seems to generate a 99, but I don't seem to be able to generate the non-US keys.... Compose doesn't seem to be acting as a modifier properly (i.e., I hold it down and press an e, and I just see an e). In the StarOffice Help I see: Linux / NetBSD: Using the dead-keys. In an xterm window first press the 'or' key. It should not appear on the screen. Now press, for example, e. The e is given an accent ? or ?. If not, then check in the XF86Config file if a "nodeadkeys" XkbdVariant has been loaded there and replace it. You may also have set the environment variable SAL_NO_DEADKEYS, that deactivates the dead keys. All Unix systems: (Alt Gr) as additional compose key. The (Alt Gr) key can work in StarOffice like the Compose key, if you set the environment variable SAL_ALTGR_COMPOSE. The Alt Gr key must trigger a mode_switch, so, for example, xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_R = Mode_switch" must be set. First press (Alt Gr), then the first modifier, then the second modifier. The characters are combined as described on a Solaris system in the file /usr/openwin/include/X11/Suncompose.h." Anyone have a clue what the OR key is? Or the Alt Gr? R From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 26 11:32:13 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:00:41AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose >> key? > >WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? >Check your window manager keybindings. It's probably something to do with emacs. I noticed the original posters X-Mailer was set to one of the emacs muas. Perhaps you need a special GNUEmacs keyboard ;-) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020626/74299519/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 26 11:33:11 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam Message-ID: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way to parse 1 message at a time? -- Clay From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 26 11:38:00 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1067.129.191.33.195.1025108960.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 26 11:52:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam In-Reply-To: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Clay Fandre wrote: > I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd > like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending > it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way > to parse 1 message at a time? Open it in PINE and delete each message manually? -Brian From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 11:58:37 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <1067.129.191.33.195.1025108960.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> References: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1067.129.191.33.195.1025108960.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> cbidler@innominatus.com writes: > >From rpgoldman: > > Anyone have a clue what the OR key is? Or the Alt Gr? > > Looking at the Forward Electronics, Ltd. keyboard attached to my NCD > terminal (can we assume this is a Sun-compliant keyboard, since the NCD is a > thin client to a Solaris2.6 server?), I see the following for the bottom > (spacebar) row: > > [Ctrl][Alt][][ spacebar ][][compose][Alt Graph] > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > So, at a guess, I'd say either a) buy a Sun keyboard, or b) map whatever > keys you like to whichever keycodes X/StarOffice expects for 'compose' and > 'Alt Graph'. Well, as far as I can tell, Mandrake's done that. When I press PrintScrn (what's a Scrn, anyway :->), it generates a 99. When I look at dumpkeys, it claims that 99 generates a Compose keycode and that I should be able to compose '~' 'u' to '?' However, I can't for the life of me figure out what the verb "compose" in the above MEANS. I press the compose key and then pus ~ and u and I see.... ~u I try holding down Compose and that doesn't do anything, either. What the heck do they mean "compose '~' 'u' to '?'" This is one of those annoying holes where it seems so obvious to documenters that they leave out a key piece of information.... :-( From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 26 12:47:59 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1079.129.191.33.195.1025112816.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> > What the heck do they mean "compose '~' 'u' to '?'" This is one of > those annoying holes where it seems so obvious to documenters that they > leave out a key piece of information.... > > :-( > Have you tried ? As a sometimes Mac user, that's how I'd attempt it. -- Chris Johnson Bidler From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 13:07:39 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <1079.129.191.33.195.1025112816.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> References: <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1079.129.191.33.195.1025112816.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <15642.37.984574.473661@tsathoggua.mydomain> cbidler@innominatus.com writes: > > > What the heck do they mean "compose '~' 'u' to '?'" This is one of > > those annoying holes where it seems so obvious to documenters that they > > leave out a key piece of information.... > > > > :-( > > > > Have you tried ? As a sometimes Mac user, that's how I'd > attempt it. Yup. you know when you hold compose and press the ~ key combination, and you see a ~ appear, that you're not getting where you wanna be..... I was hoping there would be someone on the list who writes French, Spanish, or German documents, who'd have a quick answer to this one.... R From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jun 26 13:15:16 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam In-Reply-To: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> References: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200206261206.56440.list@slushpupie.com> This is somewhat dependent on the way spamassin works, but I belive you could use the named pipe trick- assuming it never trys to do a seek on the file. Heres how to do it: mkfifo mypipe cat bib_mbox_file > mypipe & Then run spamassin on the file mypipe. I belive that when perl trys to open a filehandle, it may try and read all/part of the file into memory. But if its a named pipe, it cant do that, and everything works the same, except for seeking to a new location in the file. I have used this trick before to get around filesize limitations. Jay On Wednesday 26 June 2002 11:02 am, Clay Fandre wrote: > I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd > like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending > it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way > to parse 1 message at a time? > > -- Clay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 26 13:15:51 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens writes: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:00:41AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > >> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > >> key? > > > >WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > >Check your window manager keybindings. > > It's probably something to do with emacs. I noticed the original posters > X-Mailer was set to one of the emacs muas. Perhaps you need a special > GNUEmacs keyboard ;-) Nope, it's one common approach to entering international characters not on your particular keyboard. Which is why so few Americans even know it exists. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 13:38:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam In-Reply-To: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 11:02:25AM -0500 References: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020626133045.N19831@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd > like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending > it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way > to parse 1 message at a time? man formail If I remember right: cat spam | formail +1 -ds /usr/sbin/sendmail Change -s param to what you want to do with each message. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 26 13:41:05 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020626133257.A9047@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:36:56AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > > > key? ./ has a an ask /. up about this irght now http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/24/1930244 , though my mail to the list seems to be a little bit lagged, so you might not get this till next week. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 26 13:46:20 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam In-Reply-To: References: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020626182356.GC30934@fandre.com> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd > > like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending > > it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way > > to parse 1 message at a time? > > Open it in PINE and delete each message manually? Because I don't have the time. Even if I did have the time, I'd use mutt. # egrep "^From:" clavin | wc -l 7825 # From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jun 26 13:52:02 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control Message-ID: <200206261842.g5QIgG702820@WebMail> Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of SurfControl SuperScout. I would like to be able to; track which sites people are going to. Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites run reports on usage history Thanks From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jun 26 13:52:38 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control Message-ID: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of SurfControl SuperScout. I would like to be able to; track which sites people are going to. Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites run reports on usage history Thanks Jim Streit From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 26 13:58:31 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam In-Reply-To: <20020626133045.N19831@real-time.com> References: <20020626160225.GO26215@fandre.com> <20020626133045.N19831@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020626184523.GD30934@fandre.com> Sweet. Just what I was looking for. Thanks. On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > I have a couple of really large mbox files loaded with spam that I'd > > like to filter. Anyone have a easy way of doing this? I tried sending > > it through spamassassin -P, but my system ran out of memory. Any way > > to parse 1 message at a time? > > man formail > > If I remember right: > > cat spam | formail +1 -ds /usr/sbin/sendmail > > Change -s param to what you want to do with each message. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Jun 26 14:05:06 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam Message-ID: <000018f4031cbb07d2@[172.29.97.10]> > > Because I don't have the time. Even if I did have the time, I'd use > mutt. > YARW :) I'd use Elm IPC MMII From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 14:09:39 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626133257.A9047@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626133257.A9047@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <15642.4324.92614.488411@tsathoggua.mydomain> Jim Crumley writes: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:36:56AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > > > > key? > > ./ has a an ask /. up about this irght now > http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/24/1930244 , > though my mail to the list seems to be a little bit lagged, so > you might not get this till next week. Thanks! The method proposed by rikkus here is the one I'm trying to use. And it gave me the right solution --- the Mandrake file stated that it had remapped the Print Scrn to Compose. In fact, it had mapped SOMETHING to compose, but NOT PrintScrn. A little time with xev and the problem's solved. Thanks for the help, everybody, especially to you, Jim! R From doughanson at attbi.com Wed Jun 26 14:28:23 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control Message-ID: <20020626191226.OSCQ29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> There is a program we used at work for a while aclled WebSENSE. I beleive a company called Esoft makes it. It ran on a Debian distro. -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com "In your cubicle no one can hear you scream" > > Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy > server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of > SurfControl SuperScout. > > I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history > > Thanks > Jim Streit > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Jun 26 14:29:00 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control In-Reply-To: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> References: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> Message-ID: <1153.204.220.62.130.1025114953.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I don't know if this will do all you need, but Dansguardian is working great for us. You can customize your filters to just about any need, block downloads, etc.. Logging can be varied to log everything, or only denied attempts. We have ours set up so the access-denied page gives users the ability to submit a form as to why they think a particular site should not be blocked. It scans for weighted phrases, and denied words, rather then using URLs. However you can add URLs if desired. > > Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy > server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of > SurfControl SuperScout. > > I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history > > Thanks > Jim Streit > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From dante at plethora.net Wed Jun 26 14:29:37 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control In-Reply-To: <200206261842.g5QIgG702820@WebMail> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jim Streit wrote: > > Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy > server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of > SurfControl SuperScout. > > I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history > Not sure about the blocking, but both Squid and Delegate allow for full tracking logs. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 26 14:41:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control In-Reply-To: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> References: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> Message-ID: <20020626193613.GA12654@rtfm.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:42:31PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > >Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy >server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of >SurfControl SuperScout. squid and squidguard. > >I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history > >Thanks >Jim Streit > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 26 16:31:43 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control In-Reply-To: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> References: <200206261842.g5QIgVC02824@WebMail> Message-ID: <20020626211457.GG9443@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:42:31PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history Squid, plus some sort of squid log parsing program. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020626/9e0d7e75/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jun 26 16:50:46 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app Message-ID: Hello gang- Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really like to have a good way to manage support requests. I think our staff can enter the ticket (end luser submitted wouldnt be all that bad either). Id love to hear peoples experience with these tools, there seem to be so many different tools, all with smiliar, yet different objectives. If it had a FAQ or knowledge base tool with it, that would be great. An interface for the client to login and view thier ticket is importiant. Thanks duncan From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Jun 26 17:54:04 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2454.204.183.63.142.1025127295.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Request Tracker will do what you need. http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt/ > Hello gang- > > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really > like to have a good way to manage support requests. > > I think our staff can enter the ticket (end luser submitted wouldnt be > all that bad either). Id love to hear peoples experience with these > tools, there seem to be so many different tools, all with smiliar, yet > different objectives. If it had a FAQ or knowledge base tool with it, > that would be great. An interface for the client to login and view > thier ticket is importiant. > > Thanks > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Jun 26 18:10:08 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 05:09:14PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020626180206.A12121@okane.localnet> try request tracker; we use it at work and it works pretty well. Tickets can be opened, updated, etc all via email. Has database (mysql and I think postgresql too) backends, totally web based, and most things work via lynx too. Definitely get version 2.0 or higher. http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hello gang- > > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really like > to have a good way to manage support requests. > > I think our staff can enter the ticket (end luser submitted wouldnt be all > that bad either). Id love to hear peoples experience with these tools, > there seem to be so many different tools, all with smiliar, yet different > objectives. If it had a FAQ or knowledge base tool with it, that would be > great. An interface for the client to login and view thier ticket is > importiant. > > Thanks > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From philwil at earthlink.net Wed Jun 26 18:10:36 2002 From: philwil at earthlink.net (Phil Wilshire) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] uCLinux Training Message-ID: <3D17BBAA.237DC28E@earthlink.net> Hi, Sorry to blast the list but I am planning on running a 3 day uCLinux training class in the Minneapolis, MN area. This is an intensive 3 day class on how to effectively use the uCLinux system to develop products. I give away a SnapGear SOHO+ VPN router to each attendee. This is a 5307 Coldfire unit with 2 serial and 2 ethernet ports 4M flash abd 16M ram. It is an ideal embedded target to learn the ropes. It comes as a complete working VPN router- a nice unit. Date planned is August 5-6-7 2002. If you are interested or think you may be able to persuade your company to let you attend please let me know. I can send you a PDF brochure of the class deatils. The class size will be limited to 6 max Since I feel that I have commercially "invaded" your list I'll also give a SOHO+ as a giveaway to TCLUG if I get any course customers from this email. If I can get enough interest to run the class I will also hold an evening seminar (free) on working with uCLinux. Thanks Phil Wilshire -- Embedded Linux Specialists System Design & Consulting Services, LLC 630 Springhouse Sq Leesburg VA 20175 http://www.sysdcs.com t 703 669 9765 f 703 669 9768 e philwil@earthlink.net From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 18:11:05 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Reminder: GeekFest 2002 is this Saturday June 29th Message-ID: <20020625095740.M3149@real-time.com> Just a quick reminder that the Geekfest is this Saturday Jun 29th: Where: Radisson Hotel South & Plaza Tower 7800 NORMANDALE BOULEVARD MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55439 952-835-7800 When: June 29, 2002 4pm CST to 10pm CST I've booked the Cabana Room, which is on the first floor, pool side of the Radisson. We have a walk out deck area and spacious room. Bring your extension cords, wireless APs, laptops, and favorite LAN games. This is chance to geek out with fellow LUG members and maybe see some cool wireless stuff. More details: http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-June/050910.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From alcyone at slava.net Wed Jun 26 18:11:35 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] beermeeting this Thurs. @ Town Hall! Message-ID: <20020625151422.GA12125@aldebaran.slava.net> Thursday JUNE 27 2002 Beermeeting Town Hall Brewery 6-8pm All are welcome! Come and see your friends or introduce yourself to some new ones. Beermeetings are fun! :) Ask to sit with TCLUG when you arrive if you don't recognize the group of rowdy geeks. This is also a call for suggestions! Email me off list with any ideas you have about beermeetings such as: "We need more beermeetings in {my part of town}" "{This restaurant} would be an awesome beermeeting location" _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 26 18:18:28 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really like > to have a good way to manage support requests. www.perldesk.com -Brian From davjohn at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 26 18:26:12 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal integrated webmail solution Message-ID: <1025133302.5848.11.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Ok, hopefully this specific question hasn't been asked before (a check of the archives seems to indicate not). My father works for a local medical device company, and surprise, they have exchange. One of the nice features is that exchange keeps all messages on the remote server, and as a result, you can access them through many different interfaces. Right now I use evolution (sorry, all you mutt/pine/elm/etc. people). Can I put together a bunch of stuff on my gateway so that I can see my inbox the same way via different interfaces (web, evolution right now). I could probably hack together some combination, but I know you guys have probably done this with varying opinions. Care to share your opinions, etc? Thanks much. david johnson From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 26 18:26:43 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887BB9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3D19192A.5040302@ringworld.org> <02062521103500.02330@nancy> Message-ID: <3D19C9AF.2070002@ringworld.org> Kelly Black wrote: > Great idea! Jabber looks like a good choice for this type of effort. Wonder > if the IM folks would ever work schedule info in to the protocol.... I know ICQ toyed with some application links from instant messages. I believe AIM did too, but I think AIM's led to a remote exploit. ;) Lotus has a im system, but I dont think it deals with presence data. It would be interesting to use jabber and have your scheduling software hook into a seperate resource. I *think* jabber will queue by resource. So something like dieman@jabber.ringworld.org/scheduler or something. I definately could be wrong, though, about the queue per resource. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From estabroo at talkware.net Wed Jun 26 18:32:20 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3D19DEA5.8000100@talkware.net> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > key? I'd like to type some e-grave's and can't figure out how to do > it. I have a Mandrake 8.2 box (French, go figure, you'd think this > would be easy). The config files seem to indicate that Compose would > be on PrintScrn, but no dice, as far as I can tell..... > > Please tell me this can be done without editing xkms.... That way > lies madness --- I'd rather just type \'{e}.... > you could xmodmap the Compose key to PrintScrn excerpt from man xmodmap: Many applications support the notion of Meta keys (similar to Control keys except that Meta is held down instead of Control). However, some servers do not have a Meta keysym in the default keymap table, so one needs to be added by hand. The following command will attach Meta to the Multi-language key (sometimes labeled Compose Character). It also takes advantage of the fact that applications that need a Meta key simply need to get the keycode and don't require the keysym to be in the first column of the keymap table. This means that applications that are looking for a Multi_key (including the default modifier map) won't notice any change. % xmodmap -e "keysym Multi_key = Multi_key Meta_L" just replace the Meta_L reference with Print if it works you can make a .xmodmap file and have it executed when you start x Eric From foeclan at visi.com Wed Jun 26 18:37:19 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> Message-ID: There's a 'Compose' key on the Sun keyboards I've seen. I'd assume that's what he's referring to. I've generally used a program called xkeycaps to configure my keysyms. I believe that had the code for the Compose key in one of its lists, so you may want to give that a shot. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > > key? > > WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > Check your window manager keybindings. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jun 26 18:43:03 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > > tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really like > > to have a good way to manage support requests. > > www.perldesk.com > > -Brian WOW! From my initial demo experience, wow! That is very nice and clean looking, as a way for my customers to log in. Off the bat, that looks perfect! Wow. A really nice feature is the announcements! Im floored that this is an free product. thanks for the tip! duncan From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 26 18:43:31 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal integrated webmail solution In-Reply-To: <1025133302.5848.11.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Message-ID: Hey, On 26 Jun 2002, David Johnson wrote: > My father works for a local medical device company, and surprise, they > have exchange. One of the nice features is that exchange keeps all > messages on the remote server, and as a result, you can access them > through many different interfaces. Um. Just tell whatever protocol you're using to download your Email not to delete it off the server, and then access it however you want. I have my personal Email server us imap (SSL enabled, of course) and can acess my mail from anywhere that can do s/imap. I put a webserver up with Imp on it which lets me access it from anywhere with https access. The problem with using imap to access mail on the server is that if you have, say, 10,000 messages, it can be a bit slow. -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 18:46:16 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:00:41AM -0500 References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020626103446.Y28571@real-time.com> > WTF is a compose key? look at an honest-to-God DEC VT dumbterm, and you'll see a 'compose' key on it. other dumbterms probably have them as well. As Mr. Goldman implies, it's used for composing foreign characters like the Spanish characters that have the ~ over them, and such like. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 19:01:03 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <3D19DEA5.8000100@talkware.net> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <3D19DEA5.8000100@talkware.net> Message-ID: <15642.21101.800065.290590@tsathoggua.mydomain> The following seems to be the secret: xmodmap -e 'keycode 111 = Multi_key' That changes Print Scrn to act like a compose key. Now, why THAT works and setting keycode 111 = Compose DOESN'T work, I dunno. From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 19:14:18 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626103446.Y28571@real-time.com> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <20020626103446.Y28571@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15642.21587.187894.788420@tsathoggua.mydomain> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > > WTF is a compose key? > > look at an honest-to-God DEC VT dumbterm, and you'll see a 'compose' key on > it. other dumbterms probably have them as well. > As Mr. Goldman implies, it's used for composing foreign characters like the > Spanish characters that have the ~ over them, and such like. Apparently Suns have these. I gave away my Sun 2 a while ago (I hope it's found a happy home), so I can't verify this. From aton at skyenet.net Wed Jun 26 20:14:38 2002 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenMail In-Reply-To: <200206260348.g5Q3m6X11722@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200206270111.g5R1Bqo32414@pop.skyenet.net> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux email server question >> Samsung OpenMail. I don't know if it's out yet though. They bought it >> from HP, and were making improvements before re-releasing it. >> >> Jay > >I have a demo disk somewhere on my desk. Not sure as to the limitations, but >I think they will send you a copy if you ask. From my little bit of reading >about and considering OpenMail, if they kept most of the features, it would >be a competent replacement for Exchange Server. Nice set of command line >tools to work on individual mailboxes rather than the glob database that >Exchange uses. I should set up the demo and do a comparison. > >I know OpenMail had a "free" license for Linux installs that allowed up to 50 >licenses for free (annually renewed). I don't seem to see a similar offering >for Samsung Contact. > >If you are after "full" support for a closed client with a proprietary >protocol, I would say that would be asking a bit much. > >Plus Samsung Contact is just another proprietary set of tools that would seem >to be tied to a commercial entity that could up and die tomorrow. > >Kelly Black >KB0GBJ OpenMail kicks butt. We used to use it at our company before Office 2002 came out. It only requires 2 ports to do everything. Have you ever read Microsoft's documentation on using Exchange behind a firewall? Its a joke. Basically you can use the web interface, or *TRY* to get the correct ports open (12+ by the way) by modifying the registry and trial and error. Its a nightmare. I was really happy using (and administering) OpenMail, but it did not work with Outlook 2002. Microsoft took out all the compatibility for generic MAPI, which is what OpenMail used. Not my choice to switch to 2002, but we got those stupid Microsoft drones at work, so its hard for one voice to be heard. Aton. From aton at skyenet.net Wed Jun 26 20:15:39 2002 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory always 99% used Message-ID: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> Hello. I typically find that no matter how much memory I throw at a Linux box, that the system RAM will usually only have 7-10M (meg) free, even with configurations of 1 GIG of RAM. I know that the filesystem uses a vast amount of this RAM as cache and buffers, but how do I set this so that it uses UP TO a certian amount. Some non-vital componets get swapped to disk (viewable via TOP), and I'd prefer that if I had 1 GIG of RAM in a system, and the only thing running is samba, that 500M be FREE! =) Thanks alot, Aton From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 26 20:22:57 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020626105858.A8789@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:36:56AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Chad Walstrom writes: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > > > key? > > > > WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > > Check your window manager keybindings. > > Anyone have a clue what the OR key is? Or the Alt Gr? Alt Gr, is Alt Graph and it is an actual key on Sparc (and some other Unix) keyboards (as is Compose). I don't know about "or". Is it one of the "Windows" keys? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 26 20:36:18 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory always 99% used In-Reply-To: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Aton wrote: > I typically find that no matter how much memory I throw at a Linux box, > that the system RAM will usually only have 7-10M (meg) free, even with > configurations of 1 GIG of RAM. Strange, what are you looking at the RAM with? Here's TOP on my machine: Mem: 1029128K total, 255452K used, 773676K free, 19712K buffers When I let VMWare have 256MB, run a bunch of Mozillas and xemacsii, I have: Mem: 1029128K total, 696308K used, 332820K free, 21636K buffers -Yaron -- From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 20:57:51 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <15641.61255.498392.59290@tsathoggua.mydomain> Ben Lutgens writes: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:00:41AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:17:55AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > >> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find and use the compose > >> key? > > > >WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > >Check your window manager keybindings. > > It's probably something to do with emacs. I noticed the original posters > X-Mailer was set to one of the emacs muas. Perhaps you need a special > GNUEmacs keyboard ;-) NO! NO! NO! Ther are actually people out there who speak LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH and those languages EVEN HAVE LETTERS THAT WE DON'T USE IN ENGLISH. From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 26 21:02:01 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626103446.Y28571@real-time.com> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <20020626103446.Y28571@real-time.com> Message-ID: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > > WTF is a compose key? > > look at an honest-to-God DEC VT dumbterm, and you'll see a 'compose' key on > it. other dumbterms probably have them as well. > As Mr. Goldman implies, it's used for composing foreign characters like the > Spanish characters that have the ~ over them, and such like. Well, maybe on the new enough ones. Not on any of the ones I remember working with, and not on the two in the next room. (Did it come in with the VT220 series, in which case I actually did have one on my desk in Marlboro briefly, or was it later, in which case I really never did see it?) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 26 21:02:30 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory always 99% used In-Reply-To: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> References: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: Aton writes: > Hello. > > I typically find that no matter how much memory I throw at a Linux box, > that the system RAM will usually only have 7-10M (meg) free, even with > configurations of 1 GIG of RAM. I know that the filesystem uses a vast > amount of this RAM as cache and buffers, but how do I set this so that it > uses UP TO a certian amount. Some non-vital componets get swapped to disk > (viewable via TOP), and I'd prefer that if I had 1 GIG of RAM in a system, > and the only thing running is samba, that 500M be FREE! =) Why? Using it to cache non-changed stuff on disk (so it can be invalidated with no cost and immediately used for something else) is much more useful than sitting empty. FREE memory is WASTED memory. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 26 21:09:05 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1067.129.191.33.195.1025108960.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020626121037.A8903@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 11:47:50AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > compose '~' 'u' to '?' > > However, I can't for the life of me figure out what the verb "compose" > in the above MEANS. I press the compose key and then pus ~ and u and > I see.... > ~u > I try holding down Compose and that doesn't do anything, either. Hole down "compose" and "`" and then let up on "compose" and hit "e". Don't hold down "compose" the entire time. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 26 21:14:52 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <15641.52499.484490.702832@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626150041.GC9443@wookimus.net> <20020626155916.GA4523@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020626121405.B8903@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:59:16AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:00:41AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > >WTF is a compose key? Some shortcut to open your favorite editor??? > >Check your window manager keybindings. > > It's probably something to do with emacs. I noticed the original posters > X-Mailer was set to one of the emacs muas. Perhaps you need a special > GNUEmacs keyboard ;-) Neither Ben nor chewie have seen a Sparc keyboard? I'm shocked. Not that I ever use most of those extra keys, but they're pretty hard to miss. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jun 26 21:35:02 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626121037.A8903@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <15641.57240.287104.120328@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1067.129.191.33.195.1025108960.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> <15641.61494.181840.60715@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20020626121037.A8903@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <15642.30361.900096.104442@tsathoggua.mydomain> Jim Crumley writes: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 11:47:50AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > > compose '~' 'u' to '?' > > > > However, I can't for the life of me figure out what the verb "compose" > > in the above MEANS. I press the compose key and then pus ~ and u and > > I see.... > > ~u > > I try holding down Compose and that doesn't do anything, either. > > Hole down "compose" and "`" and then let up on "compose" and hit "e". > Don't hold down "compose" the entire time. The problem wasn't when I was and wasn't holding down the key. It's that I was trusting the Mandrake comments and was wrong about that. They were defining a "compose" keycode, which doesn't seem to do anything, and I needed Multi_key. When I did that, all was well. I never would have found it without your pointer! Thanks, R From dante at plethora.net Thu Jun 27 00:01:07 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory always 99% used In-Reply-To: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Aton wrote: > Hello. > > I typically find that no matter how much memory I throw at a Linux box, > that the system RAM will usually only have 7-10M (meg) free, even with > configurations of 1 GIG of RAM. I know that the filesystem uses a vast > amount of this RAM as cache and buffers, but how do I set this so that it > uses UP TO a certian amount. Some non-vital componets get swapped to disk > (viewable via TOP), and I'd prefer that if I had 1 GIG of RAM in a system, > and the only thing running is samba, that 500M be FREE! =) > Look at your "free" display: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 255088 247636 7452 0 16744 105216 -/+ buffers/cache: 125676 129412 Swap: 1052248 12456 1039792 The second line here is your "real" used and free numbers. You'll see that on my system about half of my RAM is really in use even though the first line indicates only ~7M unused. The rest of the usage is system cache and buffers, and believe me, if your system is running as a fileserver you want those buffers to be there for performance reasons. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jun 27 00:02:12 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux In-Reply-To: <20020626113937.GA23558@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 06:39:38AM -0500 References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> <20020625224357.A6317@joelschneider.net> <20020626113937.GA23558@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020626235222.B6749@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 06:39:38AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Why do all this for a simple ftp script? KISS. Possibly for ease of error handling or to leverage an existing Perl and/or expect codebase -- example (code shown below was pulled almost directly from the 'perldoc LWP' documentation): #!/usr/bin/perl use LWP::UserAgent; $ua = new LWP::UserAgent; $req = HTTP::Request->new(GET => 'ftp://me:passwd@some.where.com/file.txt'); $res = $ua->request($req); if($res->is_success) { print $res->content; } else { print "Bad luck this time.\n"; } -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jun 27 00:55:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 08:09:40AM -0500 References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020627004448.A7322@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 08:09:40AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > How do you figure? I don't see any mention of the other guys doing > any of these things either. Then I figure we must have read the story differently. To me, the idea of goofing off for two months and then whipping out a 500 line program seems lame. Anyhow ... [OT] Anyone else see the story (reported in today's Star Tribune) about how folding one of the new style $20 bills in a certain way reveals an image that looks like the WTC towers with smoke coming out of them? http://www.allbrevard.net/ -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 27 06:07:14 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org> <20020627004448.A7322@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3D1AEE14.CC0AB73F@usfamily.net> Yes, but I would not be surpised though. Its just coinsedence, I'm sure that if you were to fold a picture of Tux the pinguin in a certain way you could get a picture that resembles the pope. However I seriously doubt that its a christian plot to convert everyone to using linux. Its just a coincidence, and interesting one, but nothing more. Joel Schneider wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 08:09:40AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > How do you figure? I don't see any mention of the other guys doing > > any of these things either. > > Then I figure we must have read the story differently. To me, the idea > of goofing off for two months and then whipping out a 500 line program > seems lame. > > Anyhow ... > > [OT] Anyone else see the story (reported in today's Star Tribune) about > how folding one of the new style $20 bills in a certain way reveals an > image that looks like the WTC towers with smoke coming out of them? > > http://www.allbrevard.net/ > > -- > Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com > joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Jun 27 07:48:06 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. In-Reply-To: <3D1AEE14.CC0AB73F@usfamily.net> References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org> <20020627004448.A7322@joelschneider.net> <3D1AEE14.CC0AB73F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1025181602.5403.41.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 05:51, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Yes, but I would not be surpised though. Its just coinsedence, I'm sure that if > you were to fold a picture of Tux the pinguin in a certain way you could get a > picture that resembles the pope. However I seriously doubt that its a christian > plot to convert everyone to using linux. Its just a coincidence, and interesting > one, but nothing more. > > Joel Schneider wrote: > > > [OT] Anyone else see the story (reported in today's Star Tribune) about > > how folding one of the new style $20 bills in a certain way reveals an > > image that looks like the WTC towers with smoke coming out of them? > > > > http://www.allbrevard.net/ Actually, you would be more likely to see a picture of the devil-- what with 666 file permissions and daemons running around :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From kethry at winternet.com Thu Jun 27 08:12:32 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020626121405.B8903@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: > Neither Ben nor chewie have seen a Sparc keyboard? I'm shocked. > > Not that I ever use most of those extra keys, but they're pretty > hard to miss. I've seen them on several keyboards - the one that used to sit in my husband's old office for one (it was a unix box, don't know which flavor) - and I remmeber them on *some* of the vax terminals at Ball State... Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jun 27 08:46:40 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory always 99% used In-Reply-To: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net>; from aton@skyenet.net on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 07:58:24PM +0000 References: <200206270057.g5R0vco26482@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: <20020627083143.A10397@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 07:58:24PM +0000, Aton wrote: > I typically find that no matter how much memory I throw at a Linux box, > that the system RAM will usually only have 7-10M (meg) free, even with > configurations of 1 GIG of RAM. I know that the filesystem uses a vast > amount of this RAM as cache and buffers, but how do I set this so that it > uses UP TO a certian amount. Some non-vital componets get swapped to disk > (viewable via TOP), and I'd prefer that if I had 1 GIG of RAM in a system, > and the only thing running is samba, that 500M be FREE! =) As has been mentioned already, free RAM is wasted RAM. The kernel knows what it's doing. All those buffers are being used to maximize the chance that, the next time you go to read a file, it can be read from memory instead of going to disk. Most of the cache is being used to cache swap space - this may not make sense at first, but think about it: If more physical RAM is needed for something, that data is already swapped out, so the memory can be freed without delay. If the swapped (but cached) data is needed, all the kernel has to do is mark that page as 'used' instead of 'cache' and you've got it without going to disk. It's the best of both worlds. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From chuck at redroot.org Thu Jun 27 09:02:59 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux email server question In-Reply-To: <3D19C9AF.2070002@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > Lotus has a im system... We use it in the office here. It's just a watered-down AIM client that can tie into the Lotus Notes global address book, and can even do some limited interaction (one-to-one chat only) with regular AIM clients. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 27 09:59:55 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > tool. We are rolling out a new web based product, and would really > like to have a good way to manage support requests. > > I think our staff can enter the ticket (end luser submitted wouldnt be > all that bad either). Id love to hear peoples experience with these > tools, there seem to be so many different tools, all with smiliar, yet > different objectives. If it had a FAQ or knowledge base tool with it, > that would be great. An interface for the client to login and view > thier ticket is importiant. request tracker is pretty sweet. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 27 10:13:24 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal integrated webmail solution In-Reply-To: <1025133302.5848.11.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Message-ID: On 26 Jun 2002, David Johnson wrote: > Right now I use evolution (sorry, all you mutt/pine/elm/etc. people). > Can I put together a bunch of stuff on my gateway so that I can see my > inbox the same way via different interfaces (web, evolution right > now). > > I could probably hack together some combination, but I know you guys > have probably done this with varying opinions. Care to share your > opinions, etc? imap. take your choice of wu, courier, or many many others on the server side. stores your messages on the server, so you can hit your inbox and all your folders and such from any client that supports imap. want web access to your imap folders? http://www.horde.org/imp, or any other webmail program. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mbrowne at attbi.com Thu Jun 27 10:39:15 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is a Programmer?: Was Compensation.. salaries and Vacation. References: <002901c21a09$2169b9c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <000d01c21a5d$a6f8d040$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20020625234028.B6317@joelschneider.net> <20020626080940.A3213@sherohman.org> <20020627004448.A7322@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <001001c21ddd$533734a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Of course, to PHBs the only way to think is while looking very busy. I figure that the "feet up on the desk while drinking coffee" and "tic-tak-toe like notes" were periods of thinking. Not goofing off. When you hit the mental wall it is necessary to disengage so you can come at a problem from a different angle. For that matter, many salaried staff don't get formal breaks. There may not be anywhere in the workspace to go to recharge your metal batteries. Beware taking a break in your cube. A few minutes of "non-work" activities are all any boss or co-worker remembers There has been some mention of collecting user interviews. To my mind this is only the start of the process. Just letting the user type in whatever the are used to writing down does not go far enough. Frequently the user really does not know what they want or even what is possible. The next step is to understand the entire process and purpose of the data collection and reports. This is usually the part where dramatic simplification can happen. This is where *I* spend the most time thinking and scribbling. Mark Browne Then I figure we must have read the story differently. To me, the idea of goofing off for two months and then whipping out a 500 line program seems lame. From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Jun 27 11:35:03 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Someone burn me Debian Woody CD's for BeerMeeting? Message-ID: <20020627112614.A5121@localhost.localdomain> Can anyone going to the beer meeting tonight burn me a recent copy of Debian Woody? I'd supply replacement media, pay you $5.00 and be eternally grateful. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 27 11:46:40 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a Customer Support, Help Desk Issue tracker app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020627163205.GA30164@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 05:09:14PM -0400, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Im about to need a web-based interface to use as a support / help desk > tool. Try Double Choco Latte (DCL) at http://dcl.sourceforge.net. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MS is good at designing protocols that make it a nightmare for firewall admins. Jay From sos at zjod.net Thu Jun 27 14:51:05 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with using sendmail-8.11.6 to/from MSN, et al Message-ID: <200206271848.g5RImod22868@zjod.net> I run a web site and mailing list from my Linux PC. Has anyone else out there recently started seeing sendmail (I'm using sendmail-8.11.6) just plain hang while trying to send email to certain Microsoft-centric sites? I.e.: sites like: hotmail.com stny.rr.com pacbell.net or mindspring.com? Any help on this would be appreciated muchly! -Steve Siegfried sos@zjod.net From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jun 27 15:26:13 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with using sendmail-8.11.6 to/from MSN, et al In-Reply-To: <200206271848.g5RImod22868@zjod.net> References: <200206271848.g5RImod22868@zjod.net> Message-ID: <200206271519.02596.list@slushpupie.com> We send tons of mail to hotmail users daily, and it will not matter what you use to send mail there, it will always be slow. You will see many timeouts, and you will experience occational bounces for users that exist. It is the nature of the undermaintained beast MS has created there. I cant speak for the other sites, but the best thing you can do for hotmail is to just be patient. If sendmail appears to be doing nothing else when trying to send to hotmail (as it times out) there may be a problem with sendmail, but it should be able to handle several connections to various servers at once. We just set our timeouts low so they can get past them faster and retry more often. Jay On Thursday 27 June 2002 1:48 pm, Steve Siegfried wrote: > I run a web site and mailing list from my Linux PC. > > Has anyone else out there recently started seeing sendmail (I'm using > sendmail-8.11.6) just plain hang while trying to send email to certain > Microsoft-centric sites? > > I.e.: sites like: > hotmail.com > stny.rr.com > pacbell.net > or mindspring.com? > > Any help on this would be appreciated muchly! > > -Steve Siegfried > sos@zjod.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Jun 27 16:21:02 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [ot] scsi raid cards (for use with openbsd) anywhere locally Message-ID: hey gang- can a guy get his hands on a scsi raid card locally? Its for an openbsd box, so they support these: RAID and Cache Controllers Intel (and formerly ICP-Vortex) GDT series (gdt) (A) Adaptec FSA-based RAID controllers (aac), including: (A) (C) Adaptec AAC-2622, AAC-364, AAC-3642 Dell PERC 2/Si, PERC 2/QC, PERC 3/Si, PERC 3/Di, PERC 3/QC HP NetRAID-4M American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID controllers in "Mass Storage" mode (ami) (A) (C) 3ware Escalade 3W-5x00 and 3W-6x00 series (twe) (A) (C) Compaq Smart ARRAY RAID controllers (cac), including: (A) (C) Compaq Integrated Array Compaq IAES Compaq IDA, IDA-2 Compaq RAID LC2 Compaq Smart Array 221, 3100ES, 3200, 4200, 4250ES, 431 Compaq SMART, SMART-2/E, SMART-2/P, SMART-2DH, SMART-2SL DPT SmartCache and SmartRaid III/IV PCI/EISA adapters (dpt) (A) (C) I2O adapters (iop), including: (A) (C) Adaptec SCSI RAID (ASR-2100S, ASR-2110S, ASR-3200S, etc.) American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID controllers (in I2O mode) other vendors' controllers supporting I2O, including Intel and Mylex, but these were not tested the one bit of info ive gotten so far is, dont buy adaptec. any ideas would be great. please dont mind the openbsd related question on the linux list. thanks From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Jun 27 16:44:58 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [ot] scsi raid cards (for use with openbsd) anywhere locally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Note that the 3ware cards are actually EIDE raid cards that look like a SCSI device to the OS. I'm using a 5x00 series card under linux and have been very happy with it. However, if you've already got SCSI drives or have some other requirement that mandates the use of SCSI (speed, massive through-put, whatever) then you don't want a 3ware card. Have you tried calling General Nanosystems (www.nanosys1.com) or Tran Micro (www.tranmicro.com)? Probably a long shot for either, but worth a try. At least General Nanosystems has a page for SCSI and/or raid controllers on their website. All I saw listed were SCSI cards though. Jeff On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Duncan Shannon wrote: > hey gang- > > can a guy get his hands on a scsi raid card locally? > > Its for an openbsd box, so they support these: > > RAID and Cache Controllers > > > Intel (and formerly ICP-Vortex) GDT series (gdt) (A) > Adaptec FSA-based RAID controllers (aac), including: (A) (C) > Adaptec AAC-2622, AAC-364, AAC-3642 > Dell PERC 2/Si, PERC 2/QC, PERC 3/Si, PERC 3/Di, PERC 3/QC > HP NetRAID-4M > American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID controllers in "Mass Storage" mode (ami) > (A) (C) > 3ware Escalade 3W-5x00 and 3W-6x00 series (twe) (A) (C) > Compaq Smart ARRAY RAID controllers (cac), including: (A) (C) > Compaq Integrated Array > Compaq IAES > Compaq IDA, IDA-2 > Compaq RAID LC2 > Compaq Smart Array 221, 3100ES, 3200, 4200, 4250ES, 431 > Compaq SMART, SMART-2/E, SMART-2/P, SMART-2DH, SMART-2SL > DPT SmartCache and SmartRaid III/IV PCI/EISA adapters (dpt) (A) (C) > I2O adapters (iop), including: (A) (C) > Adaptec SCSI RAID (ASR-2100S, ASR-2110S, ASR-3200S, etc.) > American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID controllers (in I2O mode) > other vendors' controllers supporting I2O, including Intel and Mylex, but > these were not tested > > the one bit of info ive gotten so far is, dont buy adaptec. > > any ideas would be great. > > please dont mind the openbsd related question on the linux list. > > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From chuck at redroot.org Thu Jun 27 19:09:29 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Neither Ben nor chewie have seen a Sparc keyboard? I'm shocked. Mmmm....Sparc keyboards. My favorite for long typing sessions. Definitely built for serious work, not just pecking out the latest E-mail to mom. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Jun 27 19:56:57 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Accused bandwidth theives get raided Message-ID: <00001e210421e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=TO&Date=200206 27&Category=NEWS03&ArtNo=106270073&Ref=AR IPC MMII From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Jun 27 20:43:17 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Accused bandwidth theives get raided In-Reply-To: <00001e210421e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: They siezed equipment, but no arrests - yet. I think the FBI wanted to look at some of those machines...... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Ware Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:40 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] OT Accused bandwidth theives get raided http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=TO&Date=200206 27&Category=NEWS03&ArtNo=106270073&Ref=AR IPC MMII _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 27 22:27:41 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Accused bandwidth theives get raided In-Reply-To: <00001e210421e807d2@[172.29.97.10]>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 11:39:50AM -0500 References: <00001e210421e807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020627222408.K17683@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 11:39:50AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > > http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=TO&Date=200206 > 27&Category=NEWS03&ArtNo=106270073&Ref=AR > > IPC MMII > This reiterates my reason for posting this: http://online.securityfocus.com/news/353 Cable ISP's need to get their act together, unfortunately these guys are going to get screwed over by inflated 'damages' because they were simply wanted better connectivity. I'm sure their ISP told them that the reason for slow uploads was a hardware problem (like AT&T says) that they can't do anything about. IMO, if your ISP tells you that the reason for some issue is a hardware problem, software problem, or otherwise, they should expect things like this to happen. They should be honest to begin with... Next thing you know they'll be raiding dialup users homes for turning on compression and getting higher speeds than their "56k" connect rate. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Jun 27 23:04:39 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Surf Control References: <200206261842.g5QIgG702820@WebMail> Message-ID: <3D1BDD6B.B272482E@dccmn.com> Our school looked for quite a while for a Linux based filter and didn't find anything very useful. Problem is that you really want to get a subscription to a filter list. Most of the filter companies will not rent the list, but only their full service. We ended up with using a stand alone filter called iPrism from St Bernard. It has a filter list that is updated automatically every night and allows for areas of restriction. My school wanted the standard smutt filter, but many of the services also filtered religious material which we, being a christian school, wanted access to. The list for the hardware is ~$5000, but we were able to talk them down to ~$3000. There is also a $100/mo subscription fee. We compared this to Surf Patrol, etc. and this was the better (and cheaper) answer in the long run. It would be wonderful if we could get St. Barnard to support a interface to squid. Jim Streit wrote: > > Does anyone know of an application that would run on a Linux proxy > server that would do web site filtering? Something on the line of > SurfControl SuperScout. > > I would like to be able to; > track which sites people are going to. > Get a blocking list that prevents users from going to specific sites > run reports on usage history > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From greg at guigeeks.com Fri Jun 28 08:55:04 2002 From: greg at guigeeks.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm attempting to multi-head a Red Hat 7.3 box using an integrated Rage XL and a GeForce2 MX400. I have been following the Xinerama documentation and an article in Linux Journal this month, and seem to have some conflict with memory and io. I can get both cards to work correctly independantly, but they don't seem to want to play together. Has anybody had any luck with the GeForce2? It is a 64MB PCI (no AGP on mobo). Some other info that may be useful: - -running XFree86 -configure does not trip both monitors. Using an ATI and the GeForce will, but then I get error messages about memory & io - -running XFree86 -configure tells me that a multiheaded system was configured, however the Rage card does not display anything after the GeForce is installed -after a fresh install of RH7.3, XFree86 -scanpci returns nothing. Previously, the RAge was BusID 0:7:0 and the GeForce was 0:3:0 The article in Linux Journal said that if the monitors didn't show the X screen when testing the XF86Config.new they were not able to get it working. Perhaps my video cards are just not compatible. If anyone could recommend a couple cards for multiheading (PCI) I would appreciate the info. Thanks for any assistance, Greg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9HGx+EcEnk+U0Hj8RAk0CAJ9bJe2vQjZxhMxEYOaJqj1upo20bwCeNbla seL2fgNFmkIlhqJrwKblQew= =FJec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 12:20:46 2002 From: kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu (Seth C Kruckenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628084614.15e21d81.kruc0030@tc.umn.edu> Greg, I am currently running mandrake 8.2 and have got a dual monitor geforce4 setup which shouldn't be any different in that they use the same drivers put out by nvidia. The only difference is your onboard video whereas my other card is agp. Anyway, I could just send you a copy of my XF86Config and XF86Config-4 file if you would like to take a look at how to set up the xinerama extensions for a dual monitor setup. That way you could just cut and paste the appropriate monitor modes lines, etc over the ones I have. Maybe that would get you there. The only other thing I would say is that I know on my machine the 2nd (PCI) video card couldn't be directly below the AGP card or I would generate errors. What version of XFree86 are you running by the way Cheers, Seth On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Greg Rolling wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I'm attempting to multi-head a Red Hat 7.3 box using an integrated Rage XL > and a GeForce2 MX400. I have been following the Xinerama documentation > and an article in Linux Journal this month, and seem to have some conflict > with memory and io. I can get both cards to work correctly independantly, > but they don't seem to want to play together. > > Has anybody had any luck with the GeForce2? It is a 64MB PCI (no AGP on > mobo). Some other info that may be useful: > > - -running XFree86 -configure does not trip both monitors. Using an ATI and > the GeForce will, but then I get error messages about memory & io > > - -running XFree86 -configure tells me that a multiheaded system was > configured, however the Rage card does not display anything after the > GeForce is installed > > -after a fresh install of RH7.3, XFree86 -scanpci returns nothing. > Previously, the RAge was BusID 0:7:0 and the GeForce was 0:3:0 > > The article in Linux Journal said that if the monitors didn't show the X > screen when testing the XF86Config.new they were not able to get it > working. Perhaps my video cards are just not compatible. If anyone could > recommend a couple cards for multiheading (PCI) I would appreciate the > info. > > Thanks for any assistance, > > Greg > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ > > iD8DBQE9HGx+EcEnk+U0Hj8RAk0CAJ9bJe2vQjZxhMxEYOaJqj1upo20bwCeNbla > seL2fgNFmkIlhqJrwKblQew= > =FJec > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Jun 28 13:25:11 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 In-Reply-To: <20020628084614.15e21d81.kruc0030@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: I'd like a copy of it, too; I'm unable to get the second head working. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Seth C Kruckenberg Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 11:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 Greg, I am currently running mandrake 8.2 and have got a dual monitor geforce4 setup which shouldn't be any different in that they use the same drivers put out by nvidia. The only difference is your onboard video whereas my other card is agp. Anyway, I could just send you a copy of my XF86Config and XF86Config-4 file if you would like to take a look at how to set up the xinerama extensions for a dual monitor setup. That way you could just cut and paste the appropriate monitor modes lines, etc over the ones I have. Maybe that would get you there. The only other thing I would say is that I know on my machine the 2nd (PCI) video card couldn't be directly below the AGP card or I would generate errors. What version of XFree86 are you running by the way Cheers, Seth On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Greg Rolling wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I'm attempting to multi-head a Red Hat 7.3 box using an integrated Rage XL > and a GeForce2 MX400. I have been following the Xinerama documentation > and an article in Linux Journal this month, and seem to have some conflict > with memory and io. I can get both cards to work correctly independantly, > but they don't seem to want to play together. > > Has anybody had any luck with the GeForce2? It is a 64MB PCI (no AGP on > mobo). Some other info that may be useful: > > - -running XFree86 -configure does not trip both monitors. Using an ATI and > the GeForce will, but then I get error messages about memory & io > > - -running XFree86 -configure tells me that a multiheaded system was > configured, however the Rage card does not display anything after the > GeForce is installed > > -after a fresh install of RH7.3, XFree86 -scanpci returns nothing. > Previously, the RAge was BusID 0:7:0 and the GeForce was 0:3:0 > > The article in Linux Journal said that if the monitors didn't show the X > screen when testing the XF86Config.new they were not able to get it > working. Perhaps my video cards are just not compatible. If anyone could > recommend a couple cards for multiheading (PCI) I would appreciate the > info. > > Thanks for any assistance, > > Greg > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ > > iD8DBQE9HGx+EcEnk+U0Hj8RAk0CAJ9bJe2vQjZxhMxEYOaJqj1upo20bwCeNbla > seL2fgNFmkIlhqJrwKblQew= > =FJec > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jun 28 13:51:00 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues Message-ID: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> Hello all - I have put Mandrake 8.2 on one of my older boxes with the intent to use it as a jukebox. It has an Ensoniq Soundscape ISA sound card in it. I am able to run sndconfig manual configuration to get it working no prob. However, if I let the soundcard sit unused for a while or if I reboot, I have to re-run sndconfig to get the card working again. Any ideas? Not that this has anything to do with my sound card issues, but I'm using Globecom Jukebox for the juke software. Thanks! -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Jun 28 14:07:01 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues In-Reply-To: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: Got any PCI ports? PCI sound cards are really cheap these days. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik V. Anderson Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues Hello all - I have put Mandrake 8.2 on one of my older boxes with the intent to use it as a jukebox. It has an Ensoniq Soundscape ISA sound card in it. I am able to run sndconfig manual configuration to get it working no prob. However, if I let the soundcard sit unused for a while or if I reboot, I have to re-run sndconfig to get the card working again. Any ideas? Not that this has anything to do with my sound card issues, but I'm using Globecom Jukebox for the juke software. Thanks! -Erik -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 From skodak at cs.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 15:00:03 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system Message-ID: Hi How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. Thanks Sreekumar From kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 15:09:22 2002 From: kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu (Seth C Kruckenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mbox to MH email conversion In-Reply-To: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20020628114304.0079f9ce.kruc0030@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know of a script or program that will parse mbox email files to mh email files. I have found a bunch of perl scripts for mh --> mbox but I need it to work the other way. I know that sylpheed and other mail programs have that functionality built in but I just want that one little operation. Any ideas? Seth From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jun 28 15:09:55 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025292317.3d1cb81dafa63@webmail.andersonfam.org> Sure do...I thought of that. I guess I'm being lazy/cheap and trying to work with what I have first. It's just sort of frustrating cause it works for a while, then just randomly quits. -Erik Quoting Ben Neigebauer : > Got any PCI ports? PCI sound cards are really cheap these days. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik V. Anderson > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues > > > Hello all - I have put Mandrake 8.2 on one of my older boxes with the > intent > to > use it as a jukebox. It has an Ensoniq Soundscape ISA sound card in it. I > am > able to run sndconfig manual configuration to get it working no prob. > However, > if I let the soundcard sit unused for a while or if I reboot, I have to > re-run > sndconfig to get the card working again. > > Any ideas? > > Not that this has anything to do with my sound card issues, but I'm using > Globecom Jukebox for the juke software. > > Thanks! > -Erik > > -- > Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 28 15:22:42 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628201200.GB18766@isis.visi.com> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:52:07PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its > not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the > hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. I recall a 'hwclock' command. Try 'man hwclock' -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 15:34:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628152143.A11630@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:52:07PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its > not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the > hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. man hwclock -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From ndavis at iexposure.com Fri Jun 28 15:34:39 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281525.02518.ndavis@iexposure.com> You could just run NTP on that box and let it keep the time correct for you! Since your address is a cs.umn.edu address I'll make a guess that you work at the U. The U of M has a couple ntp servers. One at mpls campus is 128.101.101.101, one at st. paul campus is 134.84.84.84. It is good manners to let the admins know you are using their ntpd servers. Download and install the rpms for ntpdate and ntpd. First, run "ntpdate 128.101.101.101" to set the time, then start ntpd to keep the time correct "/etc/init.d/ntpd start" or something similar to that. Nick On Friday 28 June 2002 14:52, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its > not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the > hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. > Thanks > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jun 28 15:35:19 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system In-Reply-To: <20020628201200.GB18766@isis.visi.com> References: <20020628201200.GB18766@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020628203140.GB28128@rtfm.sistina.com> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 03:12:00PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: >On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:52:07PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: >> How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its >> not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the >> hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. > >I recall a 'hwclock' command. Try 'man hwclock' Try ntpdate, or run ntpd. > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I probably don't even need them, given apt-gets abilities. I understand apt-get now can be run on RedHat and can fetch RPM's. While there are a lot of very handy features with the rpm package, I find the central repository that the Debian army maintains to be very handy. In other words, most of the things I want to try out are in the Debian collection. And my experience with apt-get has shown it works great. I don't think that can be said for RedHat and RPM's. RedHat 7.3 is three disks, right? So that means Debian probably has 7/3 more packages on their distro. Also, anything outside of RedHat's three disks is bound to be "questionable" concerning it's interoperability, source and availability(back to RPM hell). I believe I need to start hanging out on some Debian lists to learn more. I'll miss rpm's ability to map files to packages, and packages to files, hopefully there is a way to do this with Debian. From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 28 17:49:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Last reminder: Geekfest 2002 tommorrow Message-ID: <20020628165854.H3865@real-time.com> Last reminder that Geekfest 2002 is tommorrow. Where: Radisson Hotel South & Plaza Tower 7800 Normandale Boulevard MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55439 952-835-7800 When: June 29, 2002 4pm CST to 10pm CST Bring your power cables, extension cords, power strips, hubs, switches, desktops, laptops, etc... For more details: http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-May/050861.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jun 28 17:53:43 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Linux In-Reply-To: <20020628165902.A7376@localhost.localdomain>; from kbongers@infinetivity.com on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:59:02PM -0500 References: <20020628165902.A7376@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020628173742.C20658@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:59:02PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > I believe I need to start hanging out on some Debian > lists to learn more. I'll miss rpm's ability to map > files to packages, and packages to files, hopefully > there is a way to do this with Debian. `dpkg -L` lists the files in a package, `dpkg -S` will show you which package a file belongs to. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 18:41:25 2002 From: kruc0030 at tc.umn.edu (Seth C Kruckenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 In-Reply-To: References: <20020628084614.15e21d81.kruc0030@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020628103619.47b61e43.kruc0030@tc.umn.edu> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:13:26 -0500 "Joel Rosenberg" wrote: I'll send them to your email as opposed to attaching them to this list... Seth > I'd like a copy of it, too; I'm unable to get the second head working. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Seth C Kruckenberg > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 11:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Multihead & GeForce2 > > > Greg, > > I am currently running mandrake 8.2 and have got a dual monitor geforce4 > setup which shouldn't be any different in that they use the same drivers put > out by nvidia. The only difference is your onboard video whereas my other > card is agp. > > Anyway, I could just send you a copy of my XF86Config and XF86Config-4 file > if you would like to take a look at how to set up the xinerama extensions > for a dual monitor setup. That way you could just cut and paste the > appropriate monitor modes lines, etc over the ones I have. Maybe that would > get you there. > > The only other thing I would say is that I know on my machine the 2nd (PCI) > video card couldn't be directly below the AGP card or I would generate > errors. What version of XFree86 are you running by the way > > Cheers, > > Seth > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:28 -0500 (CDT) > Greg Rolling wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm attempting to multi-head a Red Hat 7.3 box using an integrated Rage XL > > and a GeForce2 MX400. I have been following the Xinerama documentation > > and an article in Linux Journal this month, and seem to have some conflict > > with memory and io. I can get both cards to work correctly independantly, > > but they don't seem to want to play together. > > > > Has anybody had any luck with the GeForce2? It is a 64MB PCI (no AGP on > > mobo). Some other info that may be useful: > > > > - -running XFree86 -configure does not trip both monitors. Using an ATI > and > > the GeForce will, but then I get error messages about memory & io > > > > - -running XFree86 -configure tells me that a multiheaded system was > > configured, however the Rage card does not display anything after the > > GeForce is installed > > > > -after a fresh install of RH7.3, XFree86 -scanpci returns nothing. > > Previously, the RAge was BusID 0:7:0 and the GeForce was 0:3:0 > > > > The article in Linux Journal said that if the monitors didn't show the X > > screen when testing the XF86Config.new they were not able to get it > > working. Perhaps my video cards are just not compatible. If anyone could > > recommend a couple cards for multiheading (PCI) I would appreciate the > > info. > > > > Thanks for any assistance, > > > > Greg > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ > > > > iD8DBQE9HGx+EcEnk+U0Hj8RAk0CAJ9bJe2vQjZxhMxEYOaJqj1upo20bwCeNbla > > seL2fgNFmkIlhqJrwKblQew= > > =FJec > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From linux at bmetzler.org Fri Jun 28 19:04:31 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues In-Reply-To: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1025291491.4038.22.camel@client10> On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 13:40, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > Hello all - I have put Mandrake 8.2 on one of my older boxes with the intent to > use it as a jukebox. It has an Ensoniq Soundscape ISA sound card in it. I am > able to run sndconfig manual configuration to get it working no prob. However, > if I let the soundcard sit unused for a while or if I reboot, I have to re-run > sndconfig to get the card working again. > > Any ideas? I had this problem with the default kernel in Mandrake 8.1 and a SoundBlaster 16 card. I was able to fix it by manually linking the nodes that the sound card used in /dev to /dev/sound. ls -s /dev/dsp dsp and so on. Don't know if that's your problem though. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Jun 28 19:08:06 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues In-Reply-To: References: <1025289604.3d1cad841a0a4@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <15644.46458.698015.53016@tsathoggua.mydomain> Ben Neigebauer writes: > Got any PCI ports? PCI sound cards are really cheap these days. I'd second this recommendation. I built a jukebox on a Mandrake 8.1 machine, and tried for a little while to get an old ISA card to work. But a super-cool new PCI card was less than $25 from Directron (thanks to a listmember whose name I forget), and I figured, what am I, crazy? My time has to be worth at least $5/hour.... R From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Jun 28 19:34:04 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system Message-ID: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html HTH >>> skodak@cs.umn.edu 06/28/02 02:52PM >>> Hi How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. Thanks Sreekumar From bneigebauer at attbi.com Fri Jun 28 19:34:34 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues In-Reply-To: <1025292317.3d1cb81dafa63@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: It could be some sort of timing with ISA bus. See in the BIOS if there is a 'SAFE' setting for ISA. Otherise, make sure its not set to a port or irq that something else is using, when that port is access, bam sound card goes down. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik V. Anderson Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:25 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues Sure do...I thought of that. I guess I'm being lazy/cheap and trying to work with what I have first. It's just sort of frustrating cause it works for a while, then just randomly quits. -Erik Quoting Ben Neigebauer : > Got any PCI ports? PCI sound cards are really cheap these days. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik V. Anderson > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake Sound issues > > > Hello all - I have put Mandrake 8.2 on one of my older boxes with the > intent > to > use it as a jukebox. It has an Ensoniq Soundscape ISA sound card in it. I > am > able to run sndconfig manual configuration to get it working no prob. > However, > if I let the soundcard sit unused for a while or if I reboot, I have to > re-run > sndconfig to get the card working again. > > Any ideas? > > Not that this has anything to do with my sound card issues, but I'm using > Globecom Jukebox for the juke software. > > Thanks! > -Erik > > -- > Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 28 23:24:28 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compose key In-Reply-To: <20020628151552.GE26213@rtfm.sistina.com> References: <20020628151552.GE26213@rtfm.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1025324155.10782.232.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 10:15, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 08:55:56AM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: > > > >> > Neither Ben nor chewie have seen a Sparc keyboard? I'm shocked. > > Nope, I'm an x86 guy. I've never even used a sparc. My first PC was a > P200MMX. I'm new at this whole thing sorta (at least compared to some of > you who've been using computers for 10 years and such) Heh, I suppose someone should drag you into one of the IT Labs the next time we have a LUG meeting. I appreciate how the Sparc keyboard has the Control key swapped with Caps Lock, but I don't really like how ~ got moved to be in place of the backspace key, and how backspace got shoved around. Anyway, I don't know why everyone is going around trying to remap other keys. Unless you have a fairly old keyboard, you've probably got some extra Windows keys. The right Windows Logo key works as compose on the systems I use.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Strategery. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(or is my computer broken?) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not the solution, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you're the precipitate. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020628/6899dd73/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jun 28 23:41:03 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt configuration Message-ID: <20020626214222.C21940@mtu.net> I'm using mutt on two different machines. On one when I select a message in the index the body of the message is displayed in the whole window. On the other the body of the message is only displayed on the the bottom half of the window. Is there a way to change this behavior so that the message always takes up the whole window? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jun 29 07:10:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt configuration In-Reply-To: <20020626214222.C21940@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:42:23PM -0500 References: <20020626214222.C21940@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020629070909.A31559@techmonkeys.org> Add set pager_index_lines=0 to the .muttrc of the client that isn't displaying the email full screen. On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:42:23PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm using mutt on two different machines. On one when I select a message in > the index the body of the message is displayed in the whole window. On the > other the body of the message is only displayed on the the bottom half of the > window. Is there a way to change this behavior so that the message always > takes up the whole window? > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From list at slushpupie.com Sat Jun 29 09:26:03 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP Message-ID: <200206290919.39721.list@slushpupie.com> I have DHCP set up on my laptop, and when it cannot find a DHCP server, it seems to "disable" the interface entirely. I can try and mannually assign an IP address on the network, but everything on the network is still unreachable (with the exection of my own IP). I checked to see if any iptables/chains were set up, but that dosnt seem to be the culpret. The only way around it is to set the interface to a static IP and reboot (or go to runlevel 1 and back, which is almost the same thing) Any ideas why this is happening? From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Jun 29 10:51:48 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200206290919.39721.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that the first part here is intentional. If a DHCP card is unable to find an address, than it isn't brought up at all. this isn't specific to RH7.3, as I've seen the same occur on 6.x& 7.2. How are you trying to bring the inferface up? if you're using "ifup eth0" then that will only re-attempt to get a dhcp address. have you issued an "ifconfig eth0 netmask up" ? I think I've got that syntax right. that *should* bring the interface up on that ip until you bounce the system. (ifconfig on RH doesn't change the boot config, only assigns for current use) if that's what you're already doing, then I'd say this is goofy to RH7.3, in which case, I've done a lot on typing for naught. -chris On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > I have DHCP set up on my laptop, and when it cannot find a DHCP server, it > seems to "disable" the interface entirely. I can try and mannually assign an > IP address on the network, but everything on the network is still unreachable > (with the exection of my own IP). I checked to see if any iptables/chains > were set up, but that dosnt seem to be the culpret. The only way around it > is to set the interface to a static IP and reboot (or go to runlevel 1 and > back, which is almost the same thing) > > Any ideas why this is happening? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Jun 29 11:09:18 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? Message-ID: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> A story on NewsForge poses the question, "is Debian the right system for a hacker?": http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/02/06/28/2219224.shtml The story also notes, "there is a certain coolness and mystique associated with Debian". For the record, I like Debian pretty well and am using it on a "production" web server that runs (and runs) in my basement but, just as other distros all seem to have a few sore points, I know that Debian is not perfect. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From nate at refried.org Sat Jun 29 12:41:01 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 11:02:26AM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > A story on NewsForge poses the question, "is Debian the right system for > a hacker?": > > http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/02/06/28/2219224.shtml Uh, clueless troll article. If you read some of the comments on the article (which is really on advogato) you'll see a lot of dessent. 1. Many people that use Debian run unstable which is very up to date. Sure, it takes a while for big things like X 4.2 or OpenOffice to get in, but it doesn't stop you from doing it yourself. 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier to install? 3. People who think running Debian is "cool" should be dopeslapped. They are likely to reinstall their system every month trying out the latest "cool" distro. I use Debian because apt makes installing software so easy and Debian makes tons of software available. Some people like the Debian social contract and how all of the software is free (as in speech). Nate From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jun 29 12:45:03 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt configuration In-Reply-To: <20020629070909.A31559@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020626214222.C21940@mtu.net> <20020629070909.A31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020629123906.A3519@mtu.net> Thanks. On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 07:09:09AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Add > set pager_index_lines=0 > > to the .muttrc of the client that isn't displaying the email full screen. > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:42:23PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > I'm using mutt on two different machines. On one when I select a message in > > the index the body of the message is displayed in the whole window. On the > > other the body of the message is only displayed on the the bottom half of the > > window. Is there a way to change this behavior so that the message always > > takes up the whole window? > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Jun 29 12:46:28 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200206290919.39721.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200206290919.39721.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <1025369095.4898.7.camel@dedannshae> On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 09:19, Jay Kline wrote: > I have DHCP set up on my laptop, and when it cannot find a DHCP server, it > seems to "disable" the interface entirely. I can try and mannually assign an > IP address on the network, but everything on the network is still unreachable > (with the exection of my own IP). I checked to see if any iptables/chains > were set up, but that dosnt seem to be the culpret. The only way around it > is to set the interface to a static IP and reboot (or go to runlevel 1 and > back, which is almost the same thing) > > Any ideas why this is happening? My laptop running Mandrake 8.1 does exactly the same thing. It is, indeed, normal for the interface to not be brought up at all if the dhcp client can't get an address. So you will need to manually configure it. I will probably be flamed hairless for this, but I generally just use linuxconf to manually configure my card on the occasions that I need to. After the card is manually configured in linuxconf, it will be smart enough to restart the network, and I am up in a few seconds, without any rebooting. Once I am back in a dhcp-served environment, I again use linuxconf to set eth0 back to dhcp. However, when I do this, linuxconf does not realize that I need to restart network services, since eth0 is already up. So in this case, I just run "service network restart" and I am back to using dhcp in a few seconds, again without rebooting. NOTE: I am well aware of the disadvantages of linuxconf, and I really never use it except for this one purpose. The only reason I do is because I never bothered to learn the proper command-line syntax. Since someone else already posted the syntax "ifconfig eth0 netmask up" I will give that a try, and learn the "right" way of doing it. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been looking through the help files, and even scanned the startup script, but haven't sene anything yet. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" From esper at sherohman.org Sat Jun 29 13:50:03 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 11:02:26AM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020629134138.A28854@sherohman.org> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 11:02:26AM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > A story on NewsForge poses the question, "is Debian the right system for > a hacker?": > > http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/02/06/28/2219224.shtml Kind of a misleading title for the article... I read it, didn't see anything mentioned that could cause "harm", then went back and reread it to be sure that I didn't miss anything. I didn't. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Jun 29 14:11:50 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disable OpenOffice.org splash-screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025377238.4892.12.camel@dedannshae> On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 13:09, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > 1. Go to the folder you installed to > 2. go to the program folder > 3. edit the file "sofficerc" > 4. Change the line > Logo=1 > To > Logo=0 > Cool! Thanks a million. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020629/18337ada/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Sat Jun 29 15:59:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeekFest Rm 109 Message-ID: <20020629154549.A2602@real-time.com> Bob asked me to let everyone know that the GeekFest is in Rm109. Park on the East side of the Radisson. See you there... -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Jun 29 16:37:31 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated ftp in Linux References: <1025060620.1722.1.camel@linuxcpq.dougnet> Message-ID: <3D1E2324.751BE9EB@dccmn.com> I use to use a perl script called mirror. Perl has a ftp module. Doug wrote: > > I know I've done this in windows so I'm assuming it's possible in Linux > as well. I'd like to set up an automated ftp job to send a file. Can the > command line ftp in linux do this or do I need another tool? I looked at > it a bit earlier and couldn't really find anything on doing this (man > ftp etc...) or did I just miss something??? > > Thanks > > -- > Doug Henry MCSE, Linux User > Senior Applications Developer/DBA > Gage Marketing Group > linux@dougsweb.net > http://www.dougsweb.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jun 29 16:50:13 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 12:38:44PM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 12:38:44PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > to install? Debian is harder to install than just about any other distro except maybe slackware (Haven't reinstalled a slack box lately), things like having to download the entire base and put in on what, 6 floppies? RedHat does this on 2 floppies last time I checked, which includes an easy to use interface, if you're using the CD's to install it's a nice pretty GUI that configures everything for you. dselect, *gag* =) Some people say you should have to configure everything on your own, but if you're of that school of thought, you're already spending your time running something like Debian or Slackware, personally I don't have the time to spend mucking around with things that I already know how to configure when the distro can do it for me (ie, kudzu). > 3. People who think running Debian is "cool" should be dopeslapped. > They are likely to reinstall their system every month trying out the > latest "cool" distro. I use Debian because apt makes installing > software so easy and Debian makes tons of software available. Some > people like the Debian social contract and how all of the software is > free (as in speech). Debian is 'cool' to people who get continually harassed by the people in various social forums that are called 'debian zealots', once they're running debian they're part of the in-crowd. Kind of sad actually. And yes, I run debian on my bare-minimal install laptop with no X. > > Nate -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Jun 29 22:45:06 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disable OpenOffice.org splash-screen? In-Reply-To: <1025377238.4892.12.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: My pleasure. That should, of course, be a question in the OO FAQ, as it's one of the most common things that people want to do. (For those who use the Win32 version, the file is soffice.ini, IIRC.) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:01 PM To: TC-LUG Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Disable OpenOffice.org splash-screen? On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 13:09, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > 1. Go to the folder you installed to > 2. go to the program folder > 3. edit the file "sofficerc" > 4. Change the line > Logo=1 > To > Logo=0 > Cool! Thanks a million. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jun 29 23:04:51 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> Message-ID: <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> Apologies for the Lookout express mail... I'm stuck at work with a few windows apps only running. > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > to install? > I've tried installing it from CD's cut by you Nate, and I think it's worse than anything I've tried to install before. Makes no sense to me. Sure, I'd like to give Debian a try but I can't get beyond the install. My "installer of choice" is the nice simple text install of Slack. =) Of course, that's my distro of choice as well. Shawn From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Jun 30 01:04:04 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629134138.A28854@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 01:41:38PM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629134138.A28854@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020630001101.G7322@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 01:41:38PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Kind of a misleading title for the article... I read it, didn't see > anything mentioned that could cause "harm", then went back and reread > it to be sure that I didn't miss anything. I didn't. They spelled 'Debian' right, though. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 01:06:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming Message-ID: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. Have not gotten the green light to flip the bits, but I thought I'd share. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sun Jun 30 01:22:17 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (karl bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian versus Redhat/rpms, install of geda Message-ID: <20020630012317.A7201@duron.turboland.com> Heres an example of the usefulness of Debian. I want to try out a package called geda. Under Debian, I go: apt-get install geda done deal! For Redhat, I go to geda web site and this is what I find: ------------------------ Program Package Name Download gEDA/gaf libstroke-0.5.1-1rh.i386.rpm http | ftp libstroke-devel-0.5.1-1rh.i386.rpm http | ftp libgdgeda-1.8-1.i386.rpm http | ftp libgeda-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp libgeda-devel-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-symbols-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-gschem-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-gnetlist-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-gsymcheck-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-utils-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp geda-docs-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp rpm notes: * The rpm packages were created by Wojciech Kazubski. Thank you, Wojciech. * The packages were compiled for guile-1.4. The RH distributions, including RH7.3, still use guile-1.3.4 so an upgrade is necessary. The compatible binary package for guile-1.4 can be found at RawHide or its local mirror. ---------------------- geda does not appear to be on any RH disks. I tried apt-get install -s geda with my freshrpm.net apt-get setup, and that didn't work. I don't care how ugly the initial Debian install is(dselect was pretty bad). Debian looks like it can save me a lot of time. From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Jun 30 01:38:17 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 04:51:25PM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020630013930.A19395@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 04:51:25PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 12:38:44PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > > to install? > > Debian is harder to install than just about any other distro except > maybe slackware (Haven't reinstalled a slack box lately), things > like having to download the entire base and put in on what, 6 floppies? > This is simply not true. I've installed Debian at least a dozen times, and never had to install the base on floppies. Although I *did* download the images when I was thinking about trying to install Debian on an old 386 laptop with no CDROM. :-) [snip] > dselect, *gag* =) OK, you nailed that one. Dselect suxors. :-) > Some people say you should have to configure everything on your own, > but if you're of that school of thought, you're already spending your > time running something like Debian or Slackware, personally I don't > have the time to spend mucking around with things that I already know > how to configure when the distro can do it for me (ie, kudzu). Who said that when? No reasonable person I am sure. AFAIK Debian has fairly decent default installs for its modules. I do spend time dicking around with configs but that's because I'm into nonstandard Apache things. I'd say I configure "by hand" < 1% of the packages I install. But how is using kudzu not "configuring something on your own"? Once you start changing parameters, does it matter if your tool is vi or kudzu? > Debian is 'cool' to people who get continually harassed by the people > in various social forums that are called 'debian zealots', once they're > running debian they're part of the in-crowd. Kind of sad actually. I have never been harassed by Debian zealots, unless you count that one time they tied me up in the woods. But that was an anomaly, I'm told. /me sighs, thinks IHBT, kills lame thread -- trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sun Jun 30 02:52:02 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming In-Reply-To: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> References: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa> > The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. This is for a 8.0 release presumably? Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 06:14:10 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian versus Redhat/rpms, install of geda In-Reply-To: <20020630012317.A7201@duron.turboland.com>; from kbongers@infinetivity.com on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:23:17AM -0500 References: <20020630012317.A7201@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <20020630060404.H31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:23:17AM -0500, karl bongers wrote: > Heres an example of the usefulness of Debian. > I want to try out a package called geda. > Under Debian, I go: > apt-get install geda > done deal! > > For Redhat, I go to geda web site and this is what > I find: > ------------------------ > Program Package Name Download > gEDA/gaf libstroke-0.5.1-1rh.i386.rpm http | ftp > libstroke-devel-0.5.1-1rh.i386.rpm http | ftp > libgdgeda-1.8-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > libgeda-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > libgeda-devel-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-symbols-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-gschem-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-gnetlist-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-gsymcheck-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-utils-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > geda-docs-20020527-1.i386.rpm http | ftp > [snip] From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 06:15:43 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630013930.A19395@mail.el-swifto.com>; from trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:39:30AM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630013930.A19395@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20020630060931.I31559@techmonkeys.org> > > This is simply not true. I've installed Debian at least a dozen > times, and never had to install the base on floppies. Although > I *did* download the images when I was thinking about trying to > install Debian on an old 386 laptop with no CDROM. :-) > [note: I'm talking about a 'net install for the people who either don't have a CD-ROM drive on the system in question, don't have a burner, or don't feel like downloading the massive amount of CDs they don't need] What do you think those 6(?) floppies are? Yes, I eventually used toms root-boot to get the system up (1 floppy!) then wget'd the base tgz from there, but it was a non-standard and non-supported method of running the install. > Once you start changing parameters, does it matter if > your tool is vi or kudzu? Lots of people seem to think so. > I have never been harassed by Debian zealots, unless you count that > one time they tied me up in the woods. But that was an anomaly, > I'm told. You got off easy.. > trammell@el-swifto.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 08:02:34 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disable OpenOffice.org splash-screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025440889.15809.1.camel@dedannshae> On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 21:43, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > My pleasure. That should, of course, be a question in the OO FAQ, as it's > one of the most common things that people want to do. (For those who use > the Win32 version, the file is soffice.ini, IIRC.) Yeah, I thought of that. Believe it or not, I couldn't access the openoffice.org website yesterday. It just kept timing out on me, so finally I gave up and posted to the list. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020630/76c68a59/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Sun Jun 30 10:08:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206300958.41911.list@slushpupie.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:40 am, ccox@linuxsnob.com wrote: > I'm pretty sure that the first part here is intentional. If a DHCP > card is unable to find an address, than it isn't brought up at all. this > isn't specific to RH7.3, as I've seen the same occur on 6.x& 7.2. > How are you trying to bring the inferface up? if you're using > "ifup eth0" then that will only re-attempt to get a dhcp address. have > you issued an "ifconfig eth0 netmask up" > ? I think I've got that syntax right. that *should* bring the interface > up on that ip until you bounce the system. (ifconfig on RH doesn't change > the boot config, only assigns for current use) > if that's what you're already doing, then I'd say this is goofy to > RH7.3, in which case, I've done a lot on typing for naught. > > -chris I have tried both the manual way, and using Redhat's netconfig. I grew up using Slackware, so I know how to do it by hand, but it does not want to make a connection. I can ping myself, just not anything else on the network. Jay From kremer at ringworld.org Sun Jun 30 10:56:05 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sawfish configuration tool Message-ID: I am running Debian unstable, and last night I upgraded to Gnome 2. Now I am unable to run the "configuration tool for sawfish." Has it been removed from the Gnome 2 packages? The way that some of this stuff is working differently is really weirding me out. - Kremer From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 11:13:52 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200206300958.41911.list@slushpupie.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 09:58:41AM -0500 References: <200206300958.41911.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020630102622.J31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 09:58:41AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I have tried both the manual way, and using Redhat's netconfig. I grew up > using Slackware, so I know how to do it by hand, but it does not want to make > a connection. I can ping myself, just not anything else on the network. > Are you sure you have a link? Can you check the link status on the hub/switch, and what does 'mii-diag' say? > > Jay -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sun Jun 30 11:21:03 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200206300958.41911.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: well, I'm thinking that's might be an honest bug. have you had any other distros on that hardware?, or another nic you could configure to verify whether or not the problem is a part of the nic driver? I just had another thought, is that nic a pcmcia device? if it is, you might need to do a restart of some of the pcmcia modules to get it to kick over. I'm just shooting from the hip, I don't have 7.3 on anything as of yet. so if anyone else can shed some light on this, you might be more help than me at this point. -chris On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > > "ifup eth0" then that will only re-attempt to get a dhcp address. have > > you issued an "ifconfig eth0 netmask up" > > ? I think I've got that syntax right. that *should* bring the interface > > I have tried both the manual way, and using Redhat's netconfig. I grew up > using Slackware, so I know how to do it by hand, but it does not want to make > a connection. I can ping myself, just not anything else on the network. > > > Jay -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From clay at fandre.com Sun Jun 30 12:33:17 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sawfish configuration tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020630172630.GA21473@fandre.com> Try sawfish-ui. It's also located under Gnome Menu->Applications->Desktop Prefs->Advanced->sawfish. On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Kremer wrote: > I am running Debian unstable, and last night I upgraded to Gnome 2. Now I > am unable to run the "configuration tool for sawfish." Has it been > removed from the Gnome 2 packages? The way that some of this stuff is > working differently is really weirding me out. > - Kremer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 13:22:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming In-Reply-To: <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:00:08AM -0500 References: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020630132257.A25130@real-time.com> Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > > > The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. > > > This is for a 8.0 release presumably? It's called limbo and no official word on what release it will become. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Jun 30 14:27:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Debian versus Redhat/rpms, install of geda References: <20020630012317.A7201@duron.turboland.com> <20020630060404.H31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3D1F59B5.1030200@ringworld.org> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > What would you rather have, extremely outdated packages (Yes, it's 6/2002 > now!), or the hassle of dropping those rpm's into a directory somewhere > and typing: Making such statements on such corner applications is so misleading I don't feel the need to argue about this, however... I'll be happy to avoid rpms flaws in dependencies. (file deps, versioned deps that might be asking for something in a different dist, thank god mandrake renames their versions to make their end of the pool sane) Some people really dont care that theres a bleeding edge package out now, but that what they are using is considered non-crack by the maintainer. If its true that the current revision is non-crack and should be packaged, file a bug. If the maintainer doesn't give a rats ass and can't seem to care, find someone else to package it or do it yourself. If none of those work, it shouldn't be packaged in the first place for lack of interest. If you cant find one DD to care enough about it and you can't find one user who can't volunteer some time, oh well. Yes, we know the devlopment cycle sucks right now. This will be a major topic later this week in Toronto I'm guessing. Many proposals want targets of 6-12 months without making major infrastructure changes. I'm personally up for point releases with unchanged base and many end-user-application updates, with major releases having the big infrastructure changes. (new dpkg, new init system, etc.) The nasty problem about this is that the debian development infrastructure does not lend itself to this sort of development. I'm not exactly sure yet how to attack that issue yet other than create infrastructure outside of debian to experiment. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 15:02:04 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Debian versus Redhat/rpms, install of geda In-Reply-To: <3D1F59B5.1030200@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 02:19:17PM -0500 References: <20020630012317.A7201@duron.turboland.com> <20020630060404.H31559@techmonkeys.org> <3D1F59B5.1030200@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020630144826.K31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 02:19:17PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > Making such statements on such corner applications is so misleading I > don't feel the need to argue about this, however... I'll be happy to > avoid rpms flaws in dependencies. (file deps, versioned deps that might > be asking for something in a different dist, thank god mandrake renames > their versions to make their end of the pool sane) > The problem is that people come into #linux on efnet and want to know why $XYZ feature a) doesn't exist or b) is broken, and it turns out they're running some incredibly old version, mostly the comment was in response to the general 'd3b1an 0wnz j00 b3cau$3 0f apt-get', apt-get is a great utility assuming you have a decent up-to-date repository. And it's no longer debian specific. Debian has a lot of old packages, redhat (so far) has a lot of non- existant packages (which is better, old or nonexistant?) Personally I'd prefer people use the up to date versions of packages. > Some people really dont care that theres a bleeding edge package out > now, but that what they are using is considered non-crack by the > maintainer. If its true that the current revision is non-crack and > should be packaged, file a bug. If the maintainer doesn't give a rats > ass and can't seem to care, find someone else to package it or do it > yourself. Eggdrop (a project I've been working on for years) isn't nearly a 'corner application', yet stable still has 1.3.28 which is horribly bug-ridden (I do mean horribly). I've been told that this is because no further updates can be made to stable, yet these are remotely exploitable bugs that can grant shell access. (and shell access to every bot connected to that bot) > > If none of those work, it shouldn't be packaged in the first place for > lack of interest. If you cant find one DD to care enough about it and > you can't find one user who can't volunteer some time, oh well. Perhaps the people responsible for allowing people to create the packages should make sure the people are going to continue maintaining them, instead of doing it a few times a year to keep their name in it. > > Yes, we know the devlopment cycle sucks right now. This will be a major > topic later this week in Toronto I'm guessing. Many proposals want > targets of 6-12 months without making major infrastructure changes. I'm > personally up for point releases with unchanged base and many > end-user-application updates, with major releases having the big > infrastructure changes. (new dpkg, new init system, etc.) The nasty > problem about this is that the debian development infrastructure does > not lend itself to this sort of development. I'm not exactly sure yet > how to attack that issue yet other than create infrastructure outside of > debian to experiment. As I said, I run debian on my laptop because the only programs I run on the laptop are dhcpcd, kismet, prismstumber, and ssh. For any system that I use as a desktop debian just doesn't cut it. Hopefully the above changes will come about, I'd be willing to take another look at it as a desktop distribution. > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From list at slushpupie.com Sun Jun 30 16:50:06 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.3 and DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020630214944.ED27660366@friday.localdomain.fake> On Sunday 30 June 2002 11:03 am, ccox@linuxsnob.com wrote: > well, I'm thinking that's might be an honest bug. have you had > any other distros on that hardware?, or another nic you could configure to > verify whether or not the problem is a part of the nic driver? Being a laptop, I dont have any other hardware to try. Nor do I want to just start installing whatever on it. It is a Xrocom 10/100 + Modem (from Dell). > I just had another thought, is that nic a pcmcia device? if it > is, you might need to do a restart of some of the pcmcia modules to get it > to kick over. Hmm.. Interesting thought. I will have to give that a try next time. But I seem to remember having this same problem on a desktop pc at work once. I dont recall what the solution there was. > I'm just shooting from the hip, I don't have 7.3 on anything as of > yet. so if anyone else can shed some light on this, you might be more help > than me at this point. > Does anyone run a version of the ISC DHCP client on a network without a DHCP server? (like a roaming laptop) If there is a version that does work, I may just track down that version and see if it makes a difference. Jay From florin at iucha.net Sun Jun 30 17:32:03 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630060931.I31559@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630013930.A19395@mail.el-swifto.com> <20020630060931.I31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020630221951.GA1200@iucha.net> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:09:31AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > This is simply not true. I've installed Debian at least a dozen > > times, and never had to install the base on floppies. Although > > I *did* download the images when I was thinking about trying to > > install Debian on an old 386 laptop with no CDROM. :-) > > > > [note: I'm talking about a 'net install for the people who either > don't have a CD-ROM drive on the system in question, don't have > a burner, or don't feel like downloading the massive amount of CDs > they don't need] > > What do you think those 6(?) floppies are? Yes, I eventually used > toms root-boot to get the system up (1 floppy!) then wget'd the > base tgz from there, but it was a non-standard and non-supported > method of running the install. Please do not persist in your mistake! You need maximum threee floppies (root/boot + network driver) to install debian over the network. While it is true that you need to download the big drivers.tar.gz file, you just need a network driver out of it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What gcc, gnome and apache does it have? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020630/eb68f114/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Sun Jun 30 17:40:25 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> Message-ID: <20020630222120.GB1200@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:25:27PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Apologies for the Lookout express mail... I'm stuck at work with a few > windows apps only running. > > > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > > to install? > > > I've tried installing it from CD's cut by you Nate, and I think it's worse > than anything I've tried to install before. Makes no sense to me. Sure, > I'd like to give Debian a try but I can't get beyond the install. My > "installer of choice" is the nice simple text install of Slack. =) Of > course, that's my distro of choice as well. It confused me too (and I had 6 years of home Linux experience). But after you do it a couple of times you can get through pretty fast. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While it is true that you need to download the > big drivers.tar.gz file, you just need a network driver out of it. > That's not what the install FAQ says. > florin -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From nate at refried.org Sun Jun 30 18:48:50 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020630233055.GC13204@refried.org> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 04:51:25PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 12:38:44PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > > to install? > > Debian is harder to install than just about any other distro except > maybe slackware (Haven't reinstalled a slack box lately), things > like having to download the entire base and put in on what, 6 floppies? Uh, last I checked you only needed two floppies (rescue and root) to get a Debian install started. Then you can download base via NFS, FTP, or HTTP. The common drivers are on the rescue floppy. The drivers floppies are for uncommon hardware. > dselect, *gag* =) dselect is an acquired taste. It took me a little while to understand it. aptitude is a great step beyond dselect, but it could still use some debugging. synaptic is another choice for GUI addicts. Nate From nate at refried.org Sun Jun 30 18:57:37 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> Message-ID: <20020630234425.GD13204@refried.org> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:25:27PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > 2. Debian is not hard to install. If you think otherwise, why do you > > think it is hard to install? What makes other distributions easier > > to install? > > I've tried installing it from CD's cut by you Nate, and I think it's worse > than anything I've tried to install before. Makes no sense to me. Sure, > I'd like to give Debian a try but I can't get beyond the install. *sigh* You just answered the question in exactly the way I didn't want people to answer the question. Perhaps you can make some comments that would help improve the Debian installer. What is it exactly that you didn't understand? Was it a particular screen? Did something other than what you expected happen? Nate From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu Sun Jun 30 18:58:13 2002 From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (twakefield@stcloudstate.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network troubleshooting Message-ID: To troubleshoot a network problem, I want to transmit an Ethernet packet after receiving a specific packet. Basically I will be simulating a DHCP transaction. The transmitted packet will be edited versions of a captured packet. What is the easiest way to do this? Thanks Thad Wakefield Phone: 320-255-4764 Network Specialist Fax: 320-255-4778 St Cloud State University 720 4th Av S MC108 St Cloud, MN 56301 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 19:01:07 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630221951.GA1200@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 05:19:51PM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630013930.A19395@mail.el-swifto.com> <20020630060931.I31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630221951.GA1200@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020630185656.A27332@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): What is needes is openpackage or something like that. I personally would love to be able to create a binary package that would install on any linux system. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 19:04:35 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming In-Reply-To: <20020630222220.GC1200@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 05:22:20PM -0500 References: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa> <20020630132257.A25130@real-time.com> <20020630222220.GC1200@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020630185847.B27332@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > > > > > > > The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. > > > > > > > > > This is for a 8.0 release presumably? > > > > It's called limbo and no official word on what release it will become. > > What gcc, gnome and apache does it have? Weird, it is coming out as iso ONLY. You (mirrors) have to extract it your self into individual files. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 19:17:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming In-Reply-To: <20020630222220.GC1200@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 05:22:20PM -0500 References: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa> <20020630132257.A25130@real-time.com> <20020630222220.GC1200@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020630190659.C27332@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > > > > > > > The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. > > > > > > > > > This is for a 8.0 release presumably? > > > > It's called limbo and no official word on what release it will become. > > What gcc, gnome and apache does it have? Look'n like gnome 1.4 :-( ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-audio-extra-1.4.0-4.noarch.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-audio-1.4.0-4.noarch.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-mime-data-2.0.0-3.noarch.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-user-docs-1.93-1.noarch.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-3.1-7.i386.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-c++-3.1-7.i386.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-g77-3.1-7.i386.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-gnat-3.1-7.i386.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-java-3.1-7.i386.rpm ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-objc-3.1-7.i386.rpm It's called httpd, not apache! ./RedHat/RPMS/httpd-2.0.36-6.i386.rpm -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 19:34:04 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630233055.GC13204@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:30:55PM -0500 References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630233055.GC13204@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020630192220.N31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:30:55PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > > Debian is harder to install than just about any other distro except > > maybe slackware (Haven't reinstalled a slack box lately), things > > like having to download the entire base and put in on what, 6 floppies? > > Uh, last I checked you only needed two floppies (rescue and root) to get > a Debian install started. Then you can download base via NFS, FTP, or > HTTP. The common drivers are on the rescue floppy. The drivers > floppies are for uncommon hardware. > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html: 5.5.2 Booting from Floppies Booting from floppies is supported for most platforms. To boot from floppies, simply download the Rescue Floppy image and the Driver Floppies image. If you need to, you can also modify the Rescue Floppy; see Replacing the Rescue Floppy Kernel, Section 9.3. The Rescue Floppy couldn't fit the root filesystem image, so you'll need the root image to be written to a disk as well. You can create that floppy just as the other images are written to floppies. Once the kernel has been loaded from the Rescue Floppy, you'll be prompted for the root disk. Insert that floppy and continue. See also Booting With the Rescue Floppy, Section 6.5. 5.4.3 Driver Files [long list] http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-1.bin http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-2.bin http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-3.bin http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-4.bin [more specific drivers for 'safe' 'udma66' etc] Of course, the Rescue floppy asks for the root floppy, which is another disk.. So, 4 + 1 + 1 = 6, this is by following the install FAQ. As I believe I mentioned before, I gave up on the install faq altogether and just downloaded toms rootboot then ftp'd the base.tgz and drivers.tgz from there, amazing how i only needed one floppy for a fully operational system. =) > dselect is an acquired taste. It took me a little while to understand > it. aptitude is a great step beyond dselect, but it could still use > some debugging. synaptic is another choice for GUI addicts. Unfortunately users don't have time to learn something they'll probably never use again after the initial install, this isn't a learning curve, it's a brick wall when you can't even get the system installed. > Nate -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jun 30 19:34:38 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Redhat BETA coming In-Reply-To: <20020630185847.B27332@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:58:47PM -0500 References: <20020630002124.A4300@real-time.com> <1025424008.2288.144.camel@yafa> <20020630132257.A25130@real-time.com> <20020630222220.GC1200@iucha.net> <20020630185847.B27332@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020630192335.O31559@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Weird, it is coming out as iso ONLY. > > You (mirrors) have to extract it your self into individual files. mount -o loop foo.iso /var/ftp/redhat/beta/foo/ saves disk space too =) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From davisn at mailandnews.com Sun Jun 30 20:14:29 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting date in RH6.2 system References: Message-ID: <3D1FAAE0.E1839270@mailandnews.com> Try dateconfig --Nathan Davis Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > How do I set date in a linux system. I tried using date command, but its > not persistant after a reboot. I think there is something to do with the > hardware clock present in the system. Can u please tell me how to set it. > Thanks > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sun Jun 30 20:30:33 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630192220.N31559@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630233055.GC13204@refried.org> <20020630192220.N31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020701012458.GE13204@refried.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:22:20PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 06:30:55PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > > > Debian is harder to install than just about any other distro except > > > maybe slackware (Haven't reinstalled a slack box lately), things > > > like having to download the entire base and put in on what, 6 floppies? > > > > Uh, last I checked you only needed two floppies (rescue and root) to get > > a Debian install started. Then you can download base via NFS, FTP, or > > HTTP. The common drivers are on the rescue floppy. The drivers > > floppies are for uncommon hardware. > > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html: ^^^^^^ ANCIENT! Go get the woody install disks. > > dselect is an acquired taste. It took me a little while to understand > > it. aptitude is a great step beyond dselect, but it could still use > > some debugging. synaptic is another choice for GUI addicts. > > Unfortunately users don't have time to learn something they'll probably > never use again after the initial install, this isn't a learning curve, > it's a brick wall when you can't even get the system installed. Never use again? *astonished look* You can use dselect any time you want to install more software or do a complete upgrade. IIRC, you only get dselect if you said you didn't want to use task select. Nate From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jun 30 21:18:59 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network troubleshooting References: Message-ID: <3D1FBA42.7636B043@dccmn.com> I would guess netcat can do this, but can't say I've done it myself. twakefield@stcloudstate.edu wrote: > > To troubleshoot a network problem, I want to transmit an Ethernet > packet after receiving a specific packet. Basically I will be > simulating a DHCP transaction. The transmitted packet will > be edited versions of a captured packet. What is the easiest way > to do this? > > Thanks > > Thad Wakefield Phone: 320-255-4764 > Network Specialist Fax: 320-255-4778 > St Cloud State University > 720 4th Av S MC108 > St Cloud, MN 56301 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jun 30 21:46:04 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network troubleshooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020630214142.A16065@botwerks.org> if you're looking to spoof a dhcp session you might want to just hack a dhcp server to behave appropriately. on freebsd you can open a bpf device and see what's coming down the line. this is in fact how the dhcp server work iirc - setting up a dhcp packet filter and handling the events appropriately. when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Jun 30, 2002), twakefield@stcloudstate.edu was madly tapping out: > To troubleshoot a network problem, I want to transmit an Ethernet > packet after receiving a specific packet. Basically I will be > simulating a DHCP transaction. The transmitted packet will > be edited versions of a captured packet. What is the easiest way > to do this? > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From florin at iucha.net Sun Jun 30 23:22:30 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630192220.N31559@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <20020629165125.D31559@techmonkeys.org> <20020630233055.GC13204@refried.org> <20020630192220.N31559@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020701032840.GA5501@iucha.net> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:22:20PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-1.bin > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-2.bin > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-3.bin > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/driver-4.bin Most likely you need one network driver and one storage driver from those disks. Certainly you don't need all of them. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > > > > > > > > > The next redhat beta has hit the mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is for a 8.0 release presumably? > > > > > > It's called limbo and no official word on what release it will become. > > > > What gcc, gnome and apache does it have? > > Look'n like gnome 1.4 :-( > > ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-audio-extra-1.4.0-4.noarch.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-audio-1.4.0-4.noarch.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-mime-data-2.0.0-3.noarch.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gnome-user-docs-1.93-1.noarch.rpm > > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-3.1-7.i386.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-c++-3.1-7.i386.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-g77-3.1-7.i386.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-gnat-3.1-7.i386.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-java-3.1-7.i386.rpm > ./RedHat/RPMS/gcc-objc-3.1-7.i386.rpm > > It's called httpd, not apache! > > ./RedHat/RPMS/httpd-2.0.36-6.i386.rpm Thanks. It will be called 8.0 since they changed the compiler. Too bad they didn't put gnome2 in. I have a feeling they will since all the major UNIX vendors will distribute a gnome2 UI soon and I don't think RedHat (who had pushed gnome so hard) will be content on shipping 1.4 for a year and a half. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020630/3b8ab976/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Jun 30 23:22:58 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian considered harmful? In-Reply-To: <20020630234425.GD13204@refried.org> References: <20020629110226.D7322@joelschneider.net> <20020629173844.GA11940@refried.org> <001401c21fe5$ca1bda30$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> <20020630234425.GD13204@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020630225844.02d403c3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:44:25 -0500 nate@refried.org wrote: > *sigh* You just answered the question in exactly the way I didn't > want people to answer the question. Perhaps you can make some > comments that would help improve the Debian installer. > > What is it exactly that you didn't understand? > Was it a particular screen? > Did something other than what you expected happen? > Nothing against you Nate, wasn't intended that way. Just mentioning that I got them from a reliable source. As to the install, it's been a while so I don't recall the specifics. Being presented with about 30 options of drivers, cards, etc, (kind of FreeBSD-ish IIRC) was overwhelming. I'd almost have to go through it again to really say. Being that so many people talk it up, I was expecting something a little more intuitive. Not graphical, just intuitive. I'd be willing to give it another go but I'd need someone to help with the install. I know the installfest is coming up, but the way my work schedule is going I most likely won't make it. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com Riding to find a cure for MS. To help sponsor my ride (July 21-26, 2002) for Multiple Sclerosis: https://www.nationalmssociety.org/pledge/pledge.asp?participantid=49466 From cgahlon at citilink.com Sun Jun 30 23:23:06 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] less command wierdness. Message-ID: <3D1FD883.4040303@citilink.com> On the solaris boxen at work when I type: less filename less will page through the file and when I find the help/info I want I just hit q and get dumped back to a prompt with the iformation I was looking for still displayed so I can use it. On all my Redhat 7.3 boxen when I type: less filename it displays the info but when I hit q it clears the info and I'm looking at my previous screen before typeing the less command. How do I get less to leave the info I was looking at on the screen so I can use it? (This behavior also annoyingly occurs in man as it uses less as the pager) Chris Gahlon