On Monday 28 January 2002 2:02 pm, you wrote:

> they just want to press a button and let the computer figure out what
> the problem is, what the solution is and implement the solution.

Self diagnostics...now that would be cool!

> GUI/CL is irrelevant. I, as a _USER_ cannot spend time wandering the
> menu system in search for the bold command, or move the mouse ever so
> slowly over the tool buttons so I can read the tooltip and hope I get
> the desired one...

I just don't understand your argument here Florin.  The bad thing about CL is 
a complete lack of "tactile" feel.  People unfamiliar with CL look at that 
blinking cursor like a deer caught in the headlights.  Nothing on the CL is 
visable unless you know how to access it.  It's simply not intuitive.  I find 
the majority of tools I need from an application are usually staring me in 
the face on one of several top-layer toolbars.  


> > Where I'm going is that the OSes that gain desktop market share will be
> > the ones that let people learn as little as possible, get their work
> > done, and exchange files with other users.
>
> Where I'm going at is that dumbing everything down is not a long-term
> solution.

In my opinion it is the inevitable solution.  Successful products don't 
increase complexity for users.  

> Dumb users will be happy to get Windows on their computers. They don't
> care about freedom (maybe they will care when it will be too late). They
> don't care about improving Linux. They just care about _their_ problem.
> Let them be...

I do care about freedom.  That is why I try to convince people to use Linux.  
And that freedom also includes not teaching everyone the command line when 
they are familiar with a GUI.  I also care about improving Linux and the GUI 
is where Linux needed the most improvement for most users.  I don't think I'm 
alone in that asessment.  
  
> PS: I apologize for my vent, but I'm pissed about all that talk that
> fills web logs and mailing lists... If half of it would be spent doing
> something (even if not related to the problem) everybody would be much
> better off (including the DU).

Do you think this talk is fruitless?  As a Linux user and advocate I simply 
wanted other members opinions on this subject.  You may go about your 
business solving problems 24/7, but I for one like to chat about things once 
in awhile.   I appreciate your comments Florin...now take a deep breath and 
say "Calgon take me away...." :)