I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 20:38 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1966 - 2 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:10:38 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1966 - 2 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 20:04 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Dave Sherohman) 2. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1965 - 8 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:06:06 -0600 From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 06:24:25PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > and even kill netscape when it locks up (okay, they'd probably need a crib > sheet for that, and sooner or later, someone will make a KDE or Gnome > applet to do it for them). I was sure that Debian had a WindowMaker dockapp packaged which would kill all running netscape processes, but it seems to have disappeared. I don't think I imagined it... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:34:40 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1965 - 8 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 19:29 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: IBM history (David Dyer-Bennet) 2. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Mike Hicks) 3. Re: Making POP3 Work (David Dyer-Bennet) 4. RE: How to play music on Linux box! (Terry Houle) 5. OT: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! (Rodd Ahrenstorff) 6. Re: IBM history (Mike Hicks) 7. Re: Making POP3 Work [OT] (Daniel Churchill) 8. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1964 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) -- __--__-- Message: 1 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> Date: 18 Feb 2002 18:23:07 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Glenn McDavid <gmcdavid at winternet.com> writes: > After reading: > > > The first computer I programmed did not have any sort of disk drive. > > It had 20,000 *decimal digits* of magnetic core memory. > > I immediately thought: That sounds like an IBM 1620. > > Then I saw the msg was from > > > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net > > and realized that I had used the same machine at Carleton College. Yep. It was very convenient, except for my count of types of computers used, that Carleton and the higshchool had the same computer. > IIRC, the IBM 1130, mentioned on the web page, was marketed in part as a > replacement for the 1620. Yes, that's my understanding; something for the low end of the "scientific" market as opposed to the "data processing market". I did some programming on the IBM 1130 over at St. Olaf while I was in highschool, too. A third-generation replacement for the 1620. (I know you know this, Glenn, but since the terminology passed out of use some time ago, I'll explain to anybody who *doesn't* know that "first generation" computers were based on vacuum tubes, "second generation" were based on discrete transistors (the IBM 1620 and 1401 were of the second generation), and "third generation" computers were based on integrated circuit chips. Microprocessors weren't viewed as a new generation and weren't routinely given a generation number, people didn't seen them taking over until it was too late.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:24:25 -0600 From: Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=.ANO58:tSNyp/ns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:37:27PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > >Having a bad user day, Ben :( Or just need to stir the pot a bit? > > Neither, i just think we shouldn't push people to try linux. Let them > discover it on thier own. Otherwise, inevitably they'll have a hard time > then they'll tell everyone they know that it sucks (which wouldn't be > totally unreasonable since it would be thier opinion) I don't think anyone is being forced to try it. People aren't going to go if they aren't interested, are they? Haven't you ever been happy when someone recommended a good food or drink? Ever look at something and think, "I've got to have that!" Why did you decide it's a good idea to learn how to talk? You never know when someone might see some obvious benefit to what you show them. Whether it's showing someone how to drive or how to do audio in Linux (okay, I don't know who in their right mind would, but there's no telling what could happen ;-) > Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to > use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort > of thing. If that's true, then why do they have business using Windows or any computer with any OS, for that matter? Take their cellphone away! Send them to Pennsylvania to live on an Amish farm -- or is the butter churn too complex? There are people who could not, even if they spent their entire lives, learn how to use Linux. However, a *ton* of the people out there could quickly learn to use StarOffice, drag-n-drop files onto XMMS to play them, and even kill netscape when it locks up (okay, they'd probably need a crib sheet for that, and sooner or later, someone will make a KDE or Gnome applet to do it for them). I will grant that there are problems when it comes to configuring and installing systems. There's research out there that says 90% of people leave things the way they are and woudln't twiddle the knob if their life depended on it. Even pros succumb to it once in a while. Do you delete the superfluous icons that land on your desktop after you install something in Windows? Hmm.. My flame quota has been exceeded for the month.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A waist is a terrible thing / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ to mind. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088 at tc.umn.edu ] --=.ANO58:tSNyp/ns Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8cZs805OjzVUnj0URAlJyAKDxV4qfSAkIzfBPK06Z7ulZgduugwCfei1b kOPOdea8WoAB4+8nRjtUg3w= =oUVe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.ANO58:tSNyp/ns-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> Date: 18 Feb 2002 18:26:55 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> writes: > OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. > > Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to > access POP3? Insufficient data. The POP3 server you run has to be compatible with the way that user's email is stored, and has to know how to validate that user's access. Are they a a regular user (have a user id and a line in /etc/passwd), or something else? Is their mail delivered into an mbox, maildir, or something else, where is it located, and what is it named? What POP3 server is it you're trying to get going? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ -- __--__-- Message: 4 From: "Terry Houle" <houle at citilink.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:24:47 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Well > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:01 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > > > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable > >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk > >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > > > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. Well as President of the Twin Cities PC Users group we will use my laptop for the presentation. It is dual booting with Red Hat Linux. I am trying to switch but have to understand it before I can do that. The only reason not to switch is cause I don't understand it. So that will probably start the flames. BTW if I can post to the Annoucne I will put these type posts on there in the future. I thought only the admins could post to it but I will check it out. terry houle -- > Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > > -- __--__-- Message: 5 From: Rodd Ahrenstorff <rahrenstorff at yahoo.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:31 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 5:28 pm, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > On Monday 18 February 2002 4:05 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: <snip the blah, blah...> I thought Yahoo sourced email did not get throught to the list? Has this changed? I accidently sent this using smtp.mail.yahoo.com. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:44:58 -0600 From: Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=.'kI?uMuSFw6k8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> wrote: > > Robert Leduc <robertl at ccbr.umn.edu> writes: > > > > I'm old enough to ask if you mean the 386 Intel chip or > > the old IBM 386 mainframe. > > That's too old for me. 386? I know of the 360 and 370, of course. > Descendants, a couple of generations later, of the 1401 I programmed > in my first paid programming job. There were the System/36 and the System/38. Is there some strange concatenation you're coming up with? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's a Mexican standoff. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Only we ain't got no \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Mexicans. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088 at tc.umn.edu ] --=.'kI?uMuSFw6k8c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8caAO05OjzVUnj0URAqDhAJ41WpG8TSbSPlaI1thvikYaZcll1wCg62iE VnHmzri3POfjDHvIViB/CJY= =XlhH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.'kI?uMuSFw6k8c-- -- __--__-- Message: 7 From: Daniel Churchill <churchid at visi.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work [OT] Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:50:26 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 06:26 pm, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> writes: > > OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. > > > > Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to > > access POP3? > > Insufficient data. The POP3 server you run has to be compatible with > the way that user's email is stored, and has to know how to validate > that user's access. Are they a a regular user (have a user id and a > line in /etc/passwd), or something else? Is their mail delivered into > an mbox, maildir, or something else, where is it located, and what is > it named? What POP3 server is it you're trying to get going? This was a time-warp message from Oct (do NOT respond to talk about the time-warp - if you don't know what I'm talking about, check the list archives). I believe it made sense in the context of the thread at the time... Scott, if you're still on the list and haven't resolved this yet you'll have to let us know details again. Dan -- __--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:01:58 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1964 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 18:56 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Samir M. Nassar) 2. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 3. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 4. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 5. Re: IBM history (David Dyer-Bennet) 6. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1963 - 3 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: "Samir M. Nassar" <nassarsa at redconcepts.net> Organization: RedConcepts.NET To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:07:19 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Windows 3.1 was not any easier to learn when moving from MS-DOS than when moving from Windows to Linux. I had a hard time moving from command line to GUI. I had just a hard time moving back to limited GUI use when moving to Linux. As an aside, I am trying out Ximian GNOME (on RH 7.2) and it looks nice. Between RedCarpet and up2date it should make life easy for newbies. I would hope that one day all third world countries have Operating System Institutes funded by taxes and run by Universities and Non-profit foundations. Prefferably these institutes would create Linux distros and kernel modifications that are necessary for that country. <tongue-in-cheek />The Palestinian Operating System Institute (POSI) would run POSIX, the POSI Exchange, sort of a national Sourceforge....... I guess this doesn't really concern most people, but it does address the question of why convert people to Windows. Why one asks? Because it is better. Oh, another thing. My little brother 16 and 13 with only windows experience automatically took to linux. So when I go home this summer I'll install RedHat 7.2 so that they can play their favorite game again. (Tux Racer) -- Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:11:21 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:44:09PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: >Ben can come off sounding pretty harsh.. I'm still not sure if he's just >schizo or if he likes to play devil's advocate and not tell anyone. Oh >yeah, he likes flamewars, too, so it's probably impossible to say :-p No, I really think most people should stay away from linux. Where "most peo= ple" is casual non-technical users. Those people should stick to mickeysoft or Mac products. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cZgpCpAw0ZoN3FkRAj+LAKCGhgHxk9XlfNl+zJ5ccXXLLSDHDACfR18j 5oouxAaob/FpKWJTOAyGbtk= =4Ww9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:12:25 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 05:28:14PM -0600, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > >Most of those people might just tell you to kiss-off Ben. Do you mean thi= s=20 >open source operating system is meant for only the guru geek type admins? = My=20 >mom is using Lycoris Desktop/lx right now...and she had never used Windows= at=20 >all. My brother is also using Mandrake on his laptop. Maybe it's your=20 >family members who aren't right-in-the-head :^) > Good for them. Good for you. And yes my family probably is a little off. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cZhpCpAw0ZoN3FkRAh/5AJ9xq0Jw94xyyIv8hofv2Sx4/Puw3gCaAugv zeLz3Jbwu3NUSTLys7MDF78= =wxVx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87-- -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:14:13 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 06:07:19PM -0600, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > >As an aside, I am trying out Ximian GNOME (on RH 7.2) and it looks nice.= =20 >Between RedCarpet and up2date it should make life easy for newbies. Yeah provided you not behind a firewall.=20 --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cZjVCpAw0ZoN3FkRAkrRAJ41l8dhiWtldV8V0QvNHYVdiRKqwwCfd9w/ 0OziczcwwfkVt2m1HYBMl0I= =K4BQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X-- -- __--__-- Message: 5 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> Date: 18 Feb 2002 18:18:18 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Robert Leduc <robertl at ccbr.umn.edu> writes: > On 18 Feb 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> writes: > > > > > On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > > > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > > > > > > > > > > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) > > > (Though I did use a 386 previously) > > > > I feel old. > > > > Do you feel young? > > > > I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. > > > > I'm old enough to ask if you mean the 386 Intel chip or > the old IBM 386 mainframe. That's too old for me. 386? I know of the 360 and 370, of course. Descendants, a couple of generations later, of the 1401 I programmed in my first paid programming job. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:26:20 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1963 - 3 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 18:21 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Rodd Ahrenstorff) 2. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Rodd Ahrenstorff) 3. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1962 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: Rodd Ahrenstorff <rahrenstorff at yahoo.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:28:14 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 4:05 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to > use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort > of thing. Most of those people might just tell you to kiss-off Ben. Do you mean this open source operating system is meant for only the guru geek type admins? My mom is using Lycoris Desktop/lx right now...and she had never used Windows at all. My brother is also using Mandrake on his laptop. Maybe it's your family members who aren't right-in-the-head :^) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __--__-- Message: 2 From: Rodd Ahrenstorff <rahrenstorff at yahoo.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:29:41 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 4:05 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to > use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort > of thing. Most of those people might just tell you to kiss-off Ben. Do you mean this open source operating system is meant for only the guru geek type admins? My mom is using Lycoris Desktop/lx right now...and she had never used Windows at all. My brother is also using Mandrake on his laptop. Maybe it's your family members who aren't right-in-the-head :^) -- __--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:52:56 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1962 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 17:47 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Mike Hicks) 2. Re: IBM history (Ben Lutgens) 3. Making POP3 Work (Scott Raun) 4. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1961 - 14 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) 5. Re: IBM history (Glenn McDavid) 6. Re: xf86config (Matthew S. Hallacy) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:44:09 -0600 From: Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Churchill <churchid at visi.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > > You bother because there are some users who have no experienc with Linx, > or who heard a horror story from a friend about some other friend of > theirs who tried Linux and couldn't get their sound to work and how it's > such a difficult OS to deal with. You bother to show such users that > Linux really isn't that difficult. Heh, reminds me that I switched from OS/2 to Linux due to the fact that sound worked better in Linux. Creative dropped support for OS/2 around the time I started getting into Linux, so it just pushed me further along the path. > I'ts this sort of cynical "you stay on your side of the fence and I'll > stay on mine" attitude that poisons people toward even considering Linux > as an alternative, IMHO. Ben can come off sounding pretty harsh.. I'm still not sure if he's just schizo or if he likes to play devil's advocate and not tell anyone. Oh yeah, he likes flamewars, too, so it's probably impossible to say :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If a word in the dictionary / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ were mispelled, how would \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) we know? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088 at tc.umn.edu ] --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8cYO805OjzVUnj0URAqpUAJ9HGekIYAgqGgV04SCFouxpU+8Y/QCeLjVP nvxvWn+qwm+tVv9wkpokWeA= =qNAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym=-- -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:49:23 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:30:38PM -0600, Robert Leduc wrote: >> > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) >> > (Though I did use a 386 previously) I'm almost 30 years old an my first computer was a P200MMX. I had used an IBM XT when I was a kid though. >> I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. =20 holy shit. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cYTzCpAw0ZoN3FkRAknOAKC1+V7xVsquSOIQ61sL4vdixuWpEgCfZdyP 5mWR+FFFmnVtty7/Rfsrj1U= =kM0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:21:41 -0600 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org From: Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to access POP3? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:03:34 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1961 - 14 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 16:58 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: IBM history (James Spinti) 2. Re: (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options (Chad C. Walstrom) 3. Re: IBM history (Jay Kline) 4. Re: (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options (Dan Drake) 5. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Jim Kaufman) 6. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 7. Re: IBM history (David Dyer-Bennet) 8. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Daniel Churchill) 9. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Michael Vieths) 10. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Dave Sherman) 11. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (James Spinti) 12. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Kelly Black) 13. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 14. Re: IBM history (Robert Leduc) -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dartdist.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:13:29 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <snip> Selling for as little as $1,565, the PC used an Intel 4.77 megahertz processor and Microsoft's Disk Operating System. The machine offered memory capacities from 16K to 256K and either one or two diskette drives. An expanded system for business with color graphics, two diskette drives and a printer cost about $4,500. <snip> Full height, 160K 5.25" floppy. My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you installed it yourself). Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! Misty eyed, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" <chrome at real-time.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] IBM history > if this doesn't make your eyes glaze over, you *are* a geek. :) > > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/reference/faq_0000000011.html > > fascinating stuff. :) > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:16:16 -0600 From: "Chad C. Walstrom" <chewie at wookimus.net> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 08:17:58AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > Whose bright idea was it to have `j' be the option for handling > bzipped tarballs?=20 There was a conflict with the original GNU tar application binding for bzip2: 'I'. It conflicts with other *NIX/BSD'ish use of that same option. Other characters were suggested, but 'j' was settled upon as the default by the GNU tar maintainers. I'm assuming that Brad at the Math department ran into the same conflict, but instead of following the development discussions on the GNU tar email list, he chose -y because it wasn't being used. This last is just an assumption on my part, but knowing Brad, I don't think it's too far from the truth. --=20 Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie at wookimus.net) --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVMADMcLGCBsWv0RAjwPAJsGX2xWyjd4Pfcuu+eRNd2l1B9DbwCdGadj gtfVYbwbrq9F+md/0p1bGEg= =lsn+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 From: Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:27:02 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, > since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual > 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM > and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you > installed it yourself). > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) (Though I did use a 386 previously) Jay -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:09 -0600 From: Dan Drake <drake+tclug at lemongecko.org> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 at 08:50AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > You forgot I. A number of people favor explicitly piping between tar > and bzip2 simply to avoid the j/y/I issue. Good call. I should teach my fingers to do "bzcat" a bit more often. I'm reminded of von Neumann's remark about math: "In mathematics, you don't understand things, you just get used to them." I suppose *nix is no different. > > It seems like it wouldn't be difficult to extend the `z' option to > > handle bzip2 archives, by simply looking at the file's extensions. Or > > looking at the first bytes of the file and recognizing the binary > > formats. >=20 > For decoding/extracting, that makes good sense. For encoding/ > creating an archive, it would be arguably the Wrong Thing. z =3D gzip, > not bzip2. Ah, I didn't think of that. Yeah, when creating archives I usually use "cf" (that's what my fingers do automatically) and then [g|b]zip the .tar file. What I really want is for tar to read my mind and do things automatically. I'd also appreciate it if tar did my homework for me. And I could go for some pizza right about now: $ tar --order-pizza tar: unrecognized option `--order-pizza' Try `tar --help' for more information. =2E..darn. :) Dan --=20 | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake <drake+tclug at lemongecko.org> | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email <drake+gpg at lemongecko.org> --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVb162q8KrChmb8RAl74AJ4mb+jj/T1I+g0pwpcYYt+bGNQf7gCbBGmR 9t99mteRF1hygisRuvW8ayY= =J9xu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- -- __--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:41:31 -0600 From: Jim Kaufman <jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:28:12AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:13:15AM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > > > >It will be a very basic introduction to getting the sound card working > >under Redhat 7.2, using xmms, lame and grip. >=20 > O.k. that will take all of 5 minutes, what do you plan to do for the rest > of the time? :-) >=20 > --=20 > Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 > Sistina Software Inc. >=20 > pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> > Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC= 59 > sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. --=20 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVjryrIKiW2AJhkRAoGZAKClhNZXZpwsXof03J6fx9dEPfjlPwCguuk6 PosRxVKeWYwBOEGDKdk4s8A= =W5Pm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:00:38 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cV1mCpAw0ZoN3FkRApjjAJ9M4nJsfCb3qdkE90YtRKPjswlHLwCgnHt7 GF5PdAuWHWkNCAgS6ipkDAM= =PCXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- -- __--__-- Message: 7 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> Date: 18 Feb 2002 14:31:41 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> writes: > On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > > My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, > > since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual > > 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM > > and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you > > installed it yourself). > > > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > > > > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) > (Though I did use a 386 previously) I feel old. Do you feel young? I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. I worked on at least 8 different *types* of computer before I ever owned a computer. The first computer I programmed did not have any sort of disk drive. It had 20,000 *decimal digits* of magnetic core memory. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ -- __--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:46:28 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Churchill <churchid at visi.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > > > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable > >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk > >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > > > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > You bother because there are some users who have no experienc with Linx, or who heard a horror story from a friend about some other friend of theirs who tried Linux and couldn't get their sound to work and how it's such a difficult OS to deal with. You bother to show such users that Linux really isn't that difficult. I'ts this sort of cynical "you stay on your side of the fence and I'll stay on mine" attitude that poisons people toward even considering Linux as an alternative, IMHO. Just my $.02. Dan -- __--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:42:58 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Vieths <foeclan at visi.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. Why does anyone switch? I could do as much on a Windows box with the right tools, but I choose to use Linux. Many of us were one of 'those people' at some point in our lives. We switched, or are switching, for some reason or other. Maybe for somebody it'll be 'Because someone at a PC user's group meeting showed me how'. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan at Visi.com -- __--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! From: Dave Sherman <dsherman at real-time.com> To: TC-LUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Date: 18 Feb 2002 15:29:28 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows= " > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. Troll!! Dave --=20 Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8cXI42Z8cVuWkSnkRAu/5AJ90/wf7QWS+UHejeFcsgvshkgfI2QCbBNja rR/ffUf0T0bQk1vb42Bm9W4= =nm6s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7-- -- __--__-- Message: 11 From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dartdist.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:37:27 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens at sistina.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. Having a bad user day, Ben :( Or just need to stir the pot a bit? check out this link, it could be worse: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20020212.html or, worse yet: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20020213.html Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) -- __--__-- Message: 12 From: Kelly Black <kelly-black at mediaone.net> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:43:14 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I was once one of "those" people. After various os's with Basic and various assembler chunks as the main interface, I went off to do things with DOS and Winders. I since gotten myself right in the head. Although some would question how much. :-) Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Monday 18 February 2002 14:42, you wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are > > "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > > Why does anyone switch? I could do as much on a Windows box with the > right tools, but I choose to use Linux. > > Many of us were one of 'those people' at some point in our lives. We > switched, or are switching, for some reason or other. Maybe for somebody > it'll be 'Because someone at a PC user's group meeting showed me how'. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan at Visi.com > -- __--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:05:26 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:37:27PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: >Having a bad user day, Ben :( Or just need to stir the pot a bit? Neither, i just think we shouldn't push people to try linux. Let them discover it on thier own. Otherwise, inevitably they'll have a hard time then they'll tell everyone they know that it sucks (which wouldn't be totally unreasonable since it would be thier opinion) Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort of thing. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cXqmCpAw0ZoN3FkRAilSAJ0Sy2FyzwqkI4htHSi8TlZtYAzA8gCfQwfg Qqc3Z5fBQuTtKanfhjVsvEI= =yhR4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- -- __--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:30:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Leduc <robertl at ccbr.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On 18 Feb 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> writes: > > > On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > > > > > > > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) > > (Though I did use a 386 previously) > > I feel old. > > Do you feel young? > > I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. > I'm old enough to ask if you mean the 386 Intel chip or the old IBM 386 mainframe. 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Thank you ***************************************************************** -- __--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn McDavid <gmcdavid at winternet.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Organization: very little Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org After reading: > The first computer I programmed did not have any sort of disk drive. > It had 20,000 *decimal digits* of magnetic core memory. I immediately thought: That sounds like an IBM 1620. Then I saw the msg was from > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net and realized that I had used the same machine at Carleton College. IIRC, the IBM 1130, mentioned on the web page, was marketed in part as a replacement for the 1620. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid at winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:25:14 -0600 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at techmonkeys.org> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] xf86config Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 11:49:01PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Cool, this worked. Thanks Matthew. I neglected to write down the > settings of XF86Config when I blew away RH. One question, what is the > ZAxisMapping for? Scroll wheel? However, I did shut off gpm and > uninstalled the package. Yes, ZAxisMapping is for the scrollwheel. > Shawn -- Matthew S. 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