On Thursday 07 February 2002 02:18 pm, you wrote: > >>> Joel Rosenberg <joelr at ellegon.com> 02/07/02 01:29PM >>> > > On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:59 pm, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > >>>Quoting Joel Rosenberg (joelr at ellegon.com): > >> > >> And when would be a better time to persuade > >> people not to use the "swiss cheese of emailers"? > > > >When there's a viable alternative -- from their POV. Read Jerry > > Pournelle's columns, for example. Jerry hates the flaws in Outlook, but > > he finds some of its features unavailable elsewhere, and very handy. > >If, say, Evolution could do the hard stuff -- handling of task assignments > >and meeting requests -- it would be a viable alternative for a lot of > > folks. Right now, it's just a nice email program that sort of looks like > > Outlook. Ditto for sylpheed. > > I've read Pournelle, and while > I do have some respect for him, I don't > agree with everything he has to say. Me, neither. > > The message I'm getting is "Don't use > the stick until you have a really good > carrot to go with it". I don't agree. Let > someone else grow and prepare the > carrots, but bring on the sticks if you've > got 'em. Soften 'em up. Or, alternately, persuade people that these Linux wierdos will blame them for doing something for which they don't have any alternative. > > >> > and it is the standard. > >> > >> It is definitely NOT "the standard". > > > >I guess we're arguing about definitions here. I do think that it is the > >standard in the business world, for example, and that millions of people > > use it. Is it good? Well, in many respects, no; in some respects, sure. > > Is it the standard? Yes. Does it use the MIME standards by default? > > Nah. > > Yes. We mean very different things when > we say "the standard". Is it the standard? No. > > >>Is vCal going to go anywhere soon? > > > >I doubt it. If you look at where the heavy development in the open source > >world is, it's not for point-and-click tools to make the life of business > >users easier. > > As far as I know, vCal isn't about > 'point-and-click' anything. It is a calendaring > exchange format/protocol standard. Yup. Just like vCard -- and the use of vCard, where it is used, is largely in the point-and-click world, and it's not gotten terribly widespread adoption. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. -------------------------------------