From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Aug 1 08:52:03 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world Message-ID: Hello- I met with some folks from mapnp.org (managemnt assistance program for nonprofits) last night, and they sponsor the NonProfit Tech Talk list which i have plugged here twice or so already. They have monthly meetings, just like the LUG here, and their October (the 16th) meeting is about Linux. "Linux. Does it make sense to use Linux for servers? FOr desktop machines? WHat is available now and what makes sense." I am certain that we can help out there... Sheldon, one of thier technology guys, also said that he is interested in locating 200 or older machines, installing linux, and deploying them to 10 or so organizations in the area. Sounds like an install-fest to me. I told him that i was certain that the TCLUG would be interested to help. again, here is the list info page: http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/nonprofit_tech_talk I think that we should work with them, and help them explore linux more, help them get linux into some non-profits... who wants to go to the meeting with me? duncan From cbidler at innominatus.com Thu Aug 1 09:49:26 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048.129.191.33.203.1028216425.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> > I am certain that we can help out there... Sheldon, one of thier > technology guys, also said that he is interested in locating 200 or > older machines, installing linux, and deploying them to 10 or so > organizations in the area. Sounds like an install-fest to me. I told > him that i was certain that the TCLUG would be interested to help. The last time I was at Micro Center, they were unloading old Pentium-class boxes for cheap up by the cash registers - this could be a good source for some of these 200 machines. > who wants to go to the meeting with me? I'll go. (/me writes down a note about 10/16/2002 in the vain hope that he will remember it :p ) From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Aug 1 10:21:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash script: send new IP addresses via email Message-ID: <20020801160237.8CD9818027@wookimus.net> I've recently become an AT&T Broadband Internet customer, sacrificing my static IP address with DSL to avoid the beast that is Qworst. Since, I like to ssh into my workstation every now and then, I am presented with the challenge of knowing what my IP address might be. As with all DHCP setups, your computer may lease an IP address indefinitely, but there is always the chance that the DHCP server will allocate the address to someone else and give you a new one. What was my answer? With `ip', `shell', `sed', and `sendmail', I created a script that updates me whenever the IP address to my NIC changes. For those unfamiliar w/ip, it is the advanced routing tool, and an effective replacement to ifconfig. This script could be adapted to ifconfig quite easily. I was trying to think of a way to speed it up by perhaps removing the need to use `cat' and `hostname'. The absolute paths for binaries are used for this purpose, too; speed. The shell doesn't have to search PATH for the binaries before executing them. Enjoy! ^chewie #################### BEGIN SCRIPT ################################### #!/bin/sh # # Print the ipv4 address of an interface # # Full paths for executables are provided for speed so that the shell doesn't # need to search PATH for the files. ip="/sbin/ip" sed="/bin/sed" cat="/bin/cat" sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail" # DEFAULTS IFACE=${IFACE:-"eth0"} ADDR=${ADDR:-"username@domain.tld"} USER=${USER:-"root"} # Get the IP address for eth0 function getipv4() { iface="$1" $ip -4 address show $iface | $sed -e '/^.*inet/ !D' \ -e 's/.*inet \([0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\)\/.*/\1/' } ################## # main script body # Process commandline options [ $1 ] && IFACE=$1 [ $2 ] && ADDR=$2 # Send the message $cat << EOMSG | $sendmail -oi -t To: $ADDR From: $USER Subject: IP address for $IFACE on `hostname` `getipv4 $IFACE` EOMSG #################### END SCRIPT ################################### -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From ben at nerp.net Thu Aug 1 10:21:32 2002 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's meeting anyone have suggestions for either? - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9SVylflzKmtpiQEMRAhA8AJ9bW5X8xz5StbuuRoUvQqPZJHOKUgCfWbLv sjqWCsWUkliK2LfVdIUKScM= =km0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Aug 1 10:22:17 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world In-Reply-To: <1048.129.191.33.203.1028216425.squirrel@www.innominatus.com>; from cbidler@innominatus.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:40:25AM -0500 References: <1048.129.191.33.203.1028216425.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20020801111631.A12109@okane.localnet> cbidler@innominatus.com wrote: > I'll go. (/me writes down a note about 10/16/2002 in the vain hope > that he will remember it :p ) man at; have it email you a reminder From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 1 10:38:21 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? Message-ID: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> So it looks like we're not having a meeting this weekend, but might have one next week, is that correct? Anyone willing to volunteer for a presentation yet? Anyway, just trying to find out more than 24 hours in advance.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I am hoping to be able to do is set up a Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. The first question is would this be possible? Does Linux or some utility that runs on Linux have the capability to balance a load across X number of modems and would it be possible that this could increase available bandwidth for the client machines or would it sill only be 56k max for any given machine? Second question would be if this is possible then were might I look for more information on this subject? Can someone recommend a good book to read? And third question, what is the best firewall for Linux? I have SuSE installed now and it installed a firewall but I think it is more geared towards a Desktop installation instead of a server installation. Could someone direct me towards a place I could find more info on firewalls for Linux? Again even a suggestion of a good book would be helpful! Thanks for any info and direction you can give me. Regards, Lance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020801/f839dce8/attachment.html From llinder at medicomdigital.com Thu Aug 1 11:16:19 2002 From: llinder at medicomdigital.com (Lance Linder) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world In-Reply-To: <1048.129.191.33.203.1028216425.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <000001c2397c$87a8f4c0$6fbcf3d8@md06> I just joined the list and missed the original post to this thread. Could the person that started this thread or anyone else that is involved with it tell me how I could get involved also? I am not very experienced with Linux "yet" but I am interested in doing something similar for public schools that don't have money to buy computer equipment in South East Asia. I have at least one non profit local organizations that have expressed interest in this as well. Any ideas and experience I can gain from helping in your deployment would be very helpful. Regards, Lance >> I am certain that we can help out there... Sheldon, one of thier >> technology guys, also said that he is interested in locating 200 or >> older machines, installing linux, and deploying them to 10 or so >> organizations in the area. Sounds like an install-fest to me. I told >> him that i was certain that the TCLUG would be interested to help. >The last time I was at Micro Center, they were unloading old >Pentium-class boxes for cheap up by the cash registers - this could be > a good source for some of these 200 machines. >> who wants to go to the meeting with me? >I'll go. (/me writes down a note about 10/16/2002 in the vain hope >that he will remember it :p ) From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Aug 1 11:16:34 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load balancing multiple modes / best choices for firewalls In-Reply-To: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: > Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I > would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some > software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. i know that if you want to have a windows box in there somewhere, you can use a card that is called a RocketModem, i even think they are local to the TC. sorry, but dont know anything about the linux side of it... duncan From mjn at umn.edu Thu Aug 1 11:26:58 2002 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP question... Message-ID: I am trying to get SNMP running on my RedHat 7.1 system and there is something a little weird happening. i have the daemon running. The proper ports are open in ipchains. I can do `snmpget myhost.dom.umn.edu public system.sysDescr.0` and I get the proper information but when I do `snmpwalk myhost.dom.umn.edu public` i get some of the expected values but then this happens: Timeout: No Response from myhost.dom.umn.edu In /var/log/messages I see this: Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 384 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 640 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 896 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 1152 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 1408 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 1664 Aug 1 11:28:32 myhost ucd-snmp[31201]: /proc/stat buffer increased to 1920 This happens each time I try to walk it. Any ideas what might be going on? -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 11:44:20 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opportunity to promote linux in non-profit world In-Reply-To: <000001c2397c$87a8f4c0$6fbcf3d8@md06>; from llinder@medicomdigital.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:57:32AM -0500 References: <1048.129.191.33.203.1028216425.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> <000001c2397c$87a8f4c0$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <20020801123424.S1296@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:57:32AM -0500, Lance Linder (llinder@medicomdigital.com) wrote: > I just joined the list and missed the original post to this thread. The mailing list is archived on the website: www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ So you can always search old posts there. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020801/63769cf0/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 13:04:12 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load balancing multiple modes / best choices for firewalls In-Reply-To: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06>; from llinder@medicomdigital.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:37:43AM -0500 References: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <20020801124132.T1296@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:37:43AM -0500, Lance Linder (llinder@medicomdigital.com) wrote: > > And third question, what is the best firewall for Linux? I have SuSE > installed now and it installed a firewall but I think it is more geared > towards a Desktop installation instead of a server installation. Could > someone direct me towards a place I could find more info on firewalls for > Linux? Again even a suggestion of a good book would be helpful! Use iptables - it comes with Linux. You can create the rules by hand or there are many tools out there to help you. This URL might help: http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ For info on iptables read this: http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/howto/iptables-HOWTO.html Since you're new to Linux, you may not be familiar with the howto documents. They are all located here: www.tldp.org. That's always a good place to look, in addition to just general google-searching. The bad thing about books is that they quickly become outdated. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know much about it, but would be interested in learning the inter most workings of this MTA > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's > meeting > > anyone have suggestions for either? > > - -ben > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9SVylflzKmtpiQEMRAhA8AJ9bW5X8xz5StbuuRoUvQqPZJHOKUgCfWbLv > sjqWCsWUkliK2LfVdIUKScM= > =km0p > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 13:07:08 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash script: send new IP addresses via email In-Reply-To: <20020801160237.8CD9818027@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, chewie wrote: > I've recently become an AT&T Broadband Internet customer, sacrificing > my static IP address with DSL to avoid the beast that is Qworst. > Since, I like to ssh into my workstation every now and then, I am > presented with the challenge of knowing what my IP address might be. With my RoadRunner account, I just set up dhclient to automatically run a nsupdate command and update a hostname that will always point to my box at home.. works very well. Script idea's great if you don't have a DNS server that supports ddns, though. Thanks! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 1 13:11:24 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020801180828.GF19412@fandre.com> Hmmm, more than 24 hours notice? What fun would that be? Actually we are having a meeting this Saturday. I'm out of town this weekend and was trying to get a meeting postponed, which is why I haven't sent out the announcement earlier. But Ben agreed to lead the meeting so we are all set. It will be an open discussion, so if you have something to talk about, feel free. BTW, I do have some leads on some speakers, so we should be set for a few months. -- Clay On Thu, 01 Aug 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > So it looks like we're not having a meeting this weekend, but might have > one next week, is that correct? Anyone willing to volunteer for a > presentation yet? > > Anyway, just trying to find out more than 24 hours in advance.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From estabroo at talkware.net Thu Aug 1 13:12:15 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load balancing multiple modes / best choices for firewalls References: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <3D4979E3.4020005@talkware.net> Lance Linder wrote: > Hello, > > > > I am going to try this again? for some reason the last post I made never > showed up so here is another round. > > > > First off I am new to the list and relatively new to Linux so I am sorry > if my questions don?t make sense. But what better way to learn than ask > a bunch of stupid questions ;) > > > > > > In my situation phone lines and dial up connections are relatively cheap > but broadband connections of any kind are either non existent or > ridiculously expensive. What I am hoping to be able to do is set up a > Linux server/router/firewall for a small LAN of say 4+ desktops. I > would like to have 2+ modems connected to the Linux box and run some > software on this box that will balance a load across multiple modems. > yes this is possible using mp (or mppp) protocol, but your isp needs to support it. sometimes it's referred to as shotgun. I believe that pppd has support for mpp directly now. If not a guy in germany has a patch to support (this can be found via google pretty easily). This solution increases total bandwidth. There was a hardware solution that did load balancing across multiple modems and went to multiple accounts (not mpp) which didn't require isp support (just mulitple accounts). This was put out by the company that makes webramps (don't remember name of the company) and it actually might be in the newer webramps. This one allocates a max of 56k per connection stream. I believe this same box could also do mp (mppp). I would also look at the linux documentation project (http://www.linuxdoc.org). I'd bet they'd have information on mp (mppp) setup under linux. Hope this helps, Eric From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 13:13:42 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:06:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020801134105.Q22823@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's > meeting > > anyone have suggestions for either? KDE3 and GNOME3? And no, I'm not familar with either to do a presentation. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From gsker at tcfreenet.org Thu Aug 1 13:24:55 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash script: send new IP addresses via email In-Reply-To: <20020801160237.8CD9818027@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020801124833.W69091-100000@tcfreenet.org> Not a bad idea, but I figured it was easier to register with no-ip and get myself a free dynamic DNS entry. http://www.no-ip.com/ It came with an "updater" that just forms a URL that it passes to no-ip.com that contains your IP address. To be complete, this is what it sends for me: GET http://dynupdate.no-ip.com/update.php?username=xxxxxxx&pass=xxxxxxxx&host=gersmachine.no-ip.org&ip=66.41.74.6 It's a little different if you configure it differently. You can configure it as a daemon (I don't) and tell it you have proxy or nat configured. It'd be trivial to put this in if-up. Then I just ssh to gersmachine.no-ip.org. This article might be of value: http://www.no-ip.com/tips.php/id/3 Ger -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, chewie wrote: [SNIP] > As with all DHCP setups, your computer may lease an IP address > indefinitely, but there is always the chance that the DHCP server will > allocate the address to someone else and give you a new one. What was > my answer? With `ip', `shell', `sed', and `sendmail', I created a > script that updates me whenever the IP address to my NIC changes. [SNIP] From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Aug 1 13:41:02 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas In-Reply-To: <20020801134105.Q22823@real-time.com> References: <20020801134105.Q22823@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208011420.52349.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 01 August 2002 13:41, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > > hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's > > meeting > > > > anyone have suggestions for either? > > KDE3 and GNOME3? Oh, yes, GNOME3! Absolutely! (I've always wanted to know what things would be like three years from now. :) While we're at it, would someone care to give a presentation on KDE4? ;> :Peter P.S. Sorry, couldn't resist... From cjc at dobbz.com Thu Aug 1 13:42:13 2002 From: cjc at dobbz.com (Christopher J. Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20020801180828.GF19412@fandre.com> References: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020801180828.GF19412@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1028230175.20717.14.camel@carlson> Well, for one... more than 24 hour notice would allow me to be able to schedule it in. I am really looking forward to getting to one of these meetings, but the dates on the web page never change, and the response from the IRC folks is 'either the 1st or 2nd week of each month'. I have a class of linux students that I would also like to offer extra credit to for attending some of your meetings, and it is impossible to do this when I get a 'yah, this weekend' note in my email. I for one would love to have a half of a month notice where I could make an announcement to my class, and plan on attending myself. Maybe next month... -C. Carlson On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 13:08, Clay Fandre wrote: > Hmmm, more than 24 hours notice? What fun would that be? > > Actually we are having a meeting this Saturday. I'm out of town this > weekend and was trying to get a meeting postponed, which is why I > haven't sent out the announcement earlier. But Ben agreed to lead the > meeting so we are all set. It will be an open discussion, so if you > have something to talk about, feel free. > > BTW, I do have some leads on some speakers, so we should be set for a > few months. > > -- Clay > > On Thu, 01 Aug 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > So it looks like we're not having a meeting this weekend, but might have > > one next week, is that correct? Anyone willing to volunteer for a > > presentation yet? > > > > Anyway, just trying to find out more than 24 hours in advance.. > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Aug 1 15:41:52 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1028236747.13277.10.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I'm still new to Linux so speaking is out of the question, but I'd love to learn more on xinetd configuration methods (manual and GUI tools). Of course this could probably be answered with a nice RTFM, but it's nice to get someone to bounce questions off of, and I'm sure there's a few tips/tricks that aren't well known (by newbies like me at least) :) just a thawt.... Chris On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 11:06, Ben Kochie wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's meeting anyone have suggestions for either? - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9SVylflzKmtpiQEMRAhA8AJ9bW5X8xz5StbuuRoUvQqPZJHOKUgCfWbLv sjqWCsWUkliK2LfVdIUKScM= =km0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020801/3706fba9/attachment.htm From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 1 17:04:30 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1028230175.20717.14.camel@carlson> References: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020801180828.GF19412@fandre.com> <1028230175.20717.14.camel@carlson> Message-ID: <20020801215327.GA23528@fandre.com> First of all, I was being sarcastic. (which I tend to do a lot) I'm all for a half-months notice, unfortunately I'm the only one organizing the events and I have a lot of other things going on that are higher priority. (Plus I'm really lazy and that doesn't help either.) I have said this before and wil say it again; if someone wants to help me out and schedule the meetings or events, just let me know. I could use all the help I can get. -- Clay On Thu, 01 Aug 2002, Christopher J. Carlson wrote: > Well, for one... more than 24 hour notice would allow me to be able to > schedule it in. I am really looking forward to getting to one of these > meetings, but the dates on the web page never change, and the response > from the IRC folks is 'either the 1st or 2nd week of each month'. > > I have a class of linux students that I would also like to offer extra > credit to for attending some of your meetings, and it is impossible to > do this when I get a 'yah, this weekend' note in my email. > > I for one would love to have a half of a month notice where I could make > an announcement to my class, and plan on attending myself. > > Maybe next month... > -C. Carlson > > > > On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 13:08, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Hmmm, more than 24 hours notice? What fun would that be? > > > > Actually we are having a meeting this Saturday. I'm out of town this > > weekend and was trying to get a meeting postponed, which is why I > > haven't sent out the announcement earlier. But Ben agreed to lead the > > meeting so we are all set. It will be an open discussion, so if you > > have something to talk about, feel free. > > > > BTW, I do have some leads on some speakers, so we should be set for a > > few months. > > > > -- Clay > > > > On Thu, 01 Aug 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > > So it looks like we're not having a meeting this weekend, but might have > > > one next week, is that correct? Anyone willing to volunteer for a > > > presentation yet? > > > > > > Anyway, just trying to find out more than 24 hours in advance.. > > > > > > -- > > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to > > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. > > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shad at wnoc.com Thu Aug 1 17:05:46 2002 From: shad at wnoc.com (Jay Wineinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T cable+dhcp problem Message-ID: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> Hey guys, I just got my att cable today and Im having some problems getting an IP via dhcp. I managed to steal on by assigning it statically, but as of now, my system hangs when trying to configure the interface automatically. Are there any special settings i need to change to make this work? (windows has no problem getting an ip) Thanks, Jay From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Aug 1 18:20:49 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC Message-ID: Hey list- Ive gotten two automated messages in the last couple of days on my voice mail... "Please contact us imedieatly re: your accout so we dont have to havefurther action on your account. Please call 1-800-354-2761 imedieatly" Or something close to that. They didnt give a company name or any identifying info, other than the phone number. I actually called it back tonite, and they guy answerd in a muffled "somehting and associates" ... them: me: who is this? them: who is *this*? me: Im calling becuase i have had two automated phone calls telling me i have to call to make sure that my account isint affected. Who IS this? them: whats your phone number? me: who is this, what do you do? them: what is your phone number, its the only way i can pull up your account. me: no, i dont want to give you my phone number unless you tell me who you are, and why you would be calling me. them: actually, ill just pull it off of caller id, its not hard. me: whats not hard, you think i just want to identify myself to you when i have no clue what you do. them: its not hard sir, you ever work in an office . me: no, ive never worked in an office. them: ok, well ive got your account. mind if i ask you how long you've had this line? me: not long, whats going on? them: have you had it since october? me: no. them: oh then it doesnt matter. me: well then fu(k off and dont call back. them: you prick, hangs up. /me is pissed now /me calls back them: and associates me: who is this? them: who are you? are you that prick that just called? me: ever hear of the PUC? them: /me calls again tried to call back, and it wouldnt go thru. anyone else had this experience? i think they guy said they were hayes and associates, their phone number is 800-354-2761. it was very unprofessional, they wouldnt identify thmeselves and it was sketchy. besides, he was a jerk. I feel that i have some rights to complain here... i remember people talking about calling the PUC or something like that? Who can i complain to? it felt very much like a scam. thanks for your input. id be very curious to know if anyone knows anything about this. duncan From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Aug 1 18:55:48 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T cable+dhcp problem In-Reply-To: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy>; from shad@wnoc.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 05:15:42PM -0500 References: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> Message-ID: <20020801192902.Q5338@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 05:15:42PM -0500, Jay Wineinger wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I just got my att cable today and Im having some problems getting an IP > via dhcp. I managed to steal on by assigning it statically, but as of > now, my system hangs when trying to configure the interface > automatically. Are there any special settings i need to change to make > this work? (windows has no problem getting an ip) > > Thanks, > Jay > use dhcpcd instead of dhclient, you might want to check the archives. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 1 18:56:36 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20020801175504.GE19412@fandre.com> Sorry for the late notice. I don't have a speaker for this month, so it will be an open discussion. When: Saturday, August 3rd, 2002 Noon - 2pm Topic Open Discussion about Linux!!! Where: University of Minnesota University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 19:38:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas In-Reply-To: <200208011420.52349.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 02:20:52PM -0500 References: <20020801134105.Q22823@real-time.com> <200208011420.52349.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020801200126.A15694@real-time.com> Quoting Peter Clark (peter-clark@bethel.edu): > > > anyone have suggestions for either? > > > > KDE3 and GNOME3? > > Oh, yes, GNOME3! Absolutely! (I've always wanted to know what things would be > like three years from now. :) While we're at it, would someone care to give a > presentation on KDE4? ;> > :Peter > P.S. Sorry, couldn't resist... Argh! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From mike at Jentges.NET Thu Aug 1 19:38:46 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas In-Reply-To: <1028236747.13277.10.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: > > hey.. we're short on meeting ideas, and speakers for this weekend's > meeting > Well with all the recent scuttlebut about Samba, am I alone in some of the lp/lpr mysteries? Never put a TON of time into it but it'd be a nice thing to be more familiar with either as a home user or in an IT environment. CUPS, etc. I.E. I've a Laser Jet IIID for years I've never got tweaked just right using samba. I've just loaded up Slack 8.1/KDE and have yet to approach the printing but so far that's ALL it seems to lack, because I don't know how to 'just do it up' and I've never been an 'X' kinda guy. .000002 Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 1 19:39:11 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T cable+dhcp problem In-Reply-To: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> References: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> Message-ID: <20020802013002.GA26393@fandre.com> Hmmm, could it be related to this? http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-June/051477.html On Thu, 01 Aug 2002, Jay Wineinger wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I just got my att cable today and Im having some problems getting an IP > via dhcp. I managed to steal on by assigning it statically, but as of > now, my system hangs when trying to configure the interface > automatically. Are there any special settings i need to change to make > this work? (windows has no problem getting an ip) > > Thanks, > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Aug 1 20:46:23 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T cable+dhcp problem In-Reply-To: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> References: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> Message-ID: <20020802022439.GA1286@refried.org> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 05:15:42PM -0500, Jay Wineinger wrote: > I just got my att cable today and Im having some problems getting an IP > via dhcp. I managed to steal on by assigning it statically, but as of > now, my system hangs when trying to configure the interface > automatically. Are there any special settings i need to change to make > this work? (windows has no problem getting an ip) Your dhcp client is probably using too short a ttl (time to live) on the dhcp request. This was a problem with dhclient and pump when AT&T changed their network topology. Check the archives for a patch that fixes dhclient. Another option might be to write a firewall rule to change the ttl on dhcp packets. That would mean you don't have to patch any software. Nate From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Aug 1 20:47:41 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 08:09:59PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 08:09:59PM -0400, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hey list- > > Ive gotten two automated messages in the last couple of days on my voice > mail... > > "Please contact us imedieatly re: your accout so we dont have to > havefurther action on your account. Please call 1-800-354-2761 imedieatly" > > Or something close to that. They didnt give a company name or any > identifying info, other than the phone number. I actually called it back > tonite, and they guy answerd in a muffled "somehting and associates" ... [snip] > I feel that i have some rights to complain here... i remember people > talking about calling the PUC or something like that? Who can i complain > to? it felt very much like a scam. > > thanks for your input. id be very curious to know if anyone knows anything > about this. > > duncan > That's very interesting, I got an automated call today from "Correctional Billing Services" claiming that 'Someone' had been attempting to contact me, but couldn't because of a problem with my telephone provider, it goes on to say that I can call their 800# and 'fix' the issue with my telco for up to five phone numbers, after calling the number it acts like they a billing service of some sort, then says I should punch in my phone number for my 'account', which of course, does not exist. I chose not to 'create a new account', and their helpdesk was 'closed' even though I called back during what they claimed to be business hours in the recorded message. Seems like the number of unsolicited calls has continued to increase over the past few months (I've never had any except from AT&T trying to get me to use their LD service). I've had the service (AT&T cable phone service) for over a year and a half now. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From erik at ehanson.net Thu Aug 1 20:47:55 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T cable+dhcp problem In-Reply-To: <1028240143.982.9.camel@ShadowLappy> Message-ID: Which OS exactly are you using? -Erik On 01 Aug 2002 17:15:42 -0500 Jay Wineinger wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I just got my att cable today and Im having some problems > getting an IP > via dhcp. I managed to steal on by assigning it > statically, but as of > now, my system hangs when trying to configure the > interface > automatically. Are there any special settings i need to > change to make > this work? (windows has no problem getting an ip) > > Thanks, > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 21:21:44 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (slightly): For your leeching pleasure (well, at least some of you) Message-ID: <20020801215220.N20892@real-time.com> Posting this here is the best way to reach most people using the apt4redhat repository. Sorry for the slightly OT. First, I've installed apache on gladiator, so everything (see below) that is available via ftp is also available via http. Second, there is not bandwidth throttle on the http access. Leech away! Third, http access is only available to Real Time connectivity customers. Sorry about this, but to the 'net is expensive. LAN traffic is "cheap". I've gotten several request for more then 50K/s to gladiator, while I can't do that for everyone, I can compromise and at least allow some people more bandwidth. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 21:22:07 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC In-Reply-To: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:32:16 -0500 "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > Seems like the number of unsolicited calls has continued to increase > over the past few months (I've never had any except from AT&T trying > to get me to use their LD service). I've had the service (AT&T cable > phone service) for over a year and a half now. > We've been getting calls like this ever more so lately. I wanted to keep the privacy plus, but my wife decided to drop it. The other day, we got one of those "no one there" quiet sales calls at 5:30 in the morning. I was extremely pissed off about it. On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone have one of these, and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm not big into credit cards, but if it really does go to help the linuxfund.org then I might consider it. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 1 21:22:16 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load balancing multiple modes / best choices for firewalls In-Reply-To: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06>; from llinder@medicomdigital.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:37:43AM -0500 References: <000001c23979$c3116b80$6fbcf3d8@md06> Message-ID: <20020801215420.A32438@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:37:43AM -0500, Lance Linder wrote: > First off I am new to the list and relatively new to Linux so I am > sorry if my questions don't make sense. But what better way to learn > than ask a bunch of stupid questions ;) hey there. pleased to meetcha. don't worry, we all started out as newbies once; and every time we broach a new area of learning, we are ones again. :) > Second question would be if this is possible then were might I look > for more information on this subject? www.linuxdoc.org > Can someone recommend a good > book to read? don't bother with dead trees. Open Source software evolves and changes 10x faster than most closed-source stuff; so anything printed will be obsolete by the time that it gets to you. here's the best resources I can think of (in no particular order) - man pages -- this is the first place I look for information about a package, if I have it installed already. 'man -k' will search for topics, and if you're on a Redhat system, 'man -K' will search for any man page matching a keyword. - google searches -- put in the exact error message you're seeing, and it's possible someone else will have seen it already. - linuxdoc.org -- quality of information there is pretty spotty, but there are some real gems. - mailing lists -- like this one. just remember to pick out the pearls from among the swine, and take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. - package documentation -- read the README file! - freshmeat.net -- help you find packages to solve problems you'd never dreamed of. also has a really impressive theme repository now. > And third question, what is the best firewall for Linux? 10 people will give you 10 answers to this, so I'll throw out a few random thoughts and comments here. - the linux 2.4 kernel has a tool called 'iptables' which allows you to control packets of traffic in many and elaborate ways. this is the underlying foundation of firewalling in linux. writing rules 'by hand' for this firewalling engine is a mind-bending exercise at first; and can be really intimidating. (but once you learn how to do it this way, you won't want it any other way, since nothing else gives you such immediate and fine-grained control). - there are some GUI tools to create firewall rules. all the ones I've tried sucked pretty badly; but I suspect I may have just been trying bad ones. other people have used such things with reported success; so if they chirp up, give their preferred packages a try. :) - linux is not necessarily the answer to every problem. there are times and places when OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Netscreen, Linksys, and Solaris firewalls make sense and may be the best solution. that said, I find linux to be the most _versatile_ firewalling solution out there (not always the best, but able to do just about everything the others can do). > I have SuSE > installed now and it installed a firewall but I think it is more > geared towards a Desktop installation instead of a server > installation. the esoteric comment: desktop, firewall, server, redhat, slackware, debian... it all gets to be about the same thing when you look at the core. you can change a linux system from any type, to any other type, given enough time and effort, and quite often preserve most of your data in the process. yes, this means you can take a linux system running on a wristwatch, and convert that system [accounts, per-user settings, user data] to run on a 128-processor SGI. it somtimes ends up being a case of George Washington's Hatchet, tho... "This is George Washington's Hatchet -- the handle has been replaced 3 times and the head has been replaced twice". the simple comment: try some firewall-oriented linux distributions. coyote linux, linux router project (tho I think I heard that's dead by now)... there's others. many will run off a floppy disk, which makes them easy to experiment with. get some old computers at government auction, or from friends, and try out a number of different distributions on them. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From mike at Jentges.NET Thu Aug 1 22:25:23 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC In-Reply-To: <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: I think since poptix is such a code geek he needs to whip up something that utilizing the pc modem caller ID will pick up and hang up again, based on configurable options. I.E., "Unavailable", "Xentec", "X-Wife", etc. :/ Thought about doing that for a long time but time, skill and creativity never hit me all at once. Some rarely ever hit. I've STILL got LCD's around here I intend to use. -mj On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:32:16 -0500 > "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > > > Seems like the number of unsolicited calls has continued to increase > > over the past few months (I've never had any except from AT&T trying > > to get me to use their LD service). I've had the service (AT&T cable > > phone service) for over a year and a half now. > > > > We've been getting calls like this ever more so lately. I wanted to > keep the privacy plus, but my wife decided to drop it. The other day, > we got one of those "no one there" quiet sales calls at 5:30 in the > morning. I was extremely pissed off about it. > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards solicitations > in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone have one of these, > and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm not big into credit cards, > but if it really does go to help the linuxfund.org then I might consider > it. > > -- > Shawn > > sfertch@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From cgahlon at citilink.com Thu Aug 1 22:26:03 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC In-Reply-To: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200208012252.45357.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:32 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I chose not to 'create a new account', and their helpdesk was 'closed' > even though I called back during what they claimed to be business hours > in the recorded message. > > Seems like the number of unsolicited calls has continued to increase > over the past few months (I've never had any except from AT&T trying to > get me to use their LD service). I've had the service (AT&T cable phone > service) for over a year and a half now. With most companies you need to Opt Out of there telemarketing database. I know Qworst is one such company... http://www.infowar.com/class_1/02/class1_012102a_j.shtml Help with telemarketers can be found here: http://www.junkbusters.com/ Specifically here: http://www.junkbusters.com/telemarketing.html When I signed up for my Qworst phone service (just to get DSL) I was very adimat with the guy on the other end that I didn't want them using my info for anything internally or externally. A few days later I got a call from some Qworst lacky trying to sell me services. I told her "When I signed up for your service it was only to get DSL, and because your a monopoly I can't get DSL without your crappy phone service. I specifically told the rep I didn't wany ANY of my information sold or used interenally or externally by your company for ANY REASON!. If I recieve ANY more solicitations from Qworst or afilliates I WILL be calling the PUC to report abuse. This is your second formal notice that I do not want to be contacted or solicited for ANY REASON!" click! I've recieved very few unwanted calls since having that nice onesided discussion. And those that did call were using 'war-dialer' style telemarketing like you get on your cell phone... Chris -- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From mike at Jentges.NET Fri Aug 2 00:57:07 2002 From: mike at Jentges.NET (MJ) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Linux + other job notices in the paper. In-Reply-To: <02072205471700.21582@nancy> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Kelly Black wrote: > > The pay rate suggests either they expect more entry level, or are not living > in the real world. OR they have an accurate fix on the market right now. :) -mj > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-jobs mailing list > tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > Mike Jentges -- Jentges.Net, Inc. Voice: 763-783-3702 ************************************************** Cell: 763-370-1201 **** Remember, UNIX spelled backwards is XINU.**** http://jentges.net ************************************************** From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 2 00:58:15 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Phone solicitaion scandal? Im calling the PUC In-Reply-To: ; from mike@jentges.net on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:51:45PM -0500 References: <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802012305.V5338@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:51:45PM -0500, MJ wrote: > > > I think since poptix is such a code geek he needs to whip up something > that utilizing the pc modem caller ID will pick up and hang up again, > based on configurable options. I.E., "Unavailable", "Xentec", > "X-Wife", etc. :/ I think ATA would be better than ATH0/ATH1, but yeah, it's trivial to do. > Thought about doing that for a long time but time, skill and > creativity never hit me all at once. Some rarely ever hit. I've STILL got > LCD's around here I intend to use. Matrix Orbital's? I'd love to play around with those again =) > > -mj -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From scotty at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 2 06:49:00 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:44 pm, you wrote: > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards > solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone > have one of these, and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm not > big into credit cards, but if it really does go to help the > linuxfund.org then I might consider it. I don't have one but I did open the web site and they are advertising it at the top of the page. -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 08:26:34 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY>; from scotty@cloudnet.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 07:18:17AM -0500 References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> Message-ID: <20020802084121.B1127@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 07:18:17AM -0500, John (scotty@cloudnet.com) wrote: > On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards > > solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone > > have one of these, and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm not > > big into credit cards, but if it really does go to help the > > linuxfund.org then I might consider it. > > I don't have one but I did open the web site and they are > advertising it at the top of the page. I've had one for probably 3 years. I'm not sure how much actually goes to Linux Fund but I like it more for Linux PR than anything. Unfortunately, most cashiers who see it tell me how 'cute' the penguin is and don't seem to notice Linux. Oh well. I figure if I'm going to use a credit card, I might as well use one that gives back something to the Linux community, no matter how small. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Qworst sux. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020802/8152eb95/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 08:32:29 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Thank you Clay (Was Re: [TCLUG] Meeting?) In-Reply-To: <20020801215327.GA23528@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:53:27PM -0500 References: <1028219073.12266.3.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020801180828.GF19412@fandre.com> <1028230175.20717.14.camel@carlson> <20020801215327.GA23528@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020802090340.C1127@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:53:27PM -0500, Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > First of all, I was being sarcastic. (which I tend to do a lot) > > I'm all for a half-months notice, unfortunately I'm the only one > organizing the events and I have a lot of other things going on that > are higher priority. (Plus I'm really lazy and that doesn't help > either.) I have said this before and wil say it again; if someone wants > to help me out and schedule the meetings or events, just let me know. > I could use all the help I can get. I think we should all take this opportunity to thank Clay for all his hard work. There are several people who help with various things, but we have to admit, Clay has been the glue holding it all together, and the primary person maintaining the website, setting up meetings and speakers, and setting up installfests. And he's done this since TCLUG started many years ago (1995?). It is a lot of work and it's a thankless job. If you have some extra time, please offer to help in some way. It doesn't have to be a long-term commitment and it would help take some of the pressure off Clay. Again, thank you, Clay - your efforts are appreciated. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unless your are being charged by the bit, you can use this to setup the mirror server (and other traffic) as less important than your customers, but still provide the service. I'm planning to do this on a T1 soon, but I've not actually implemented the service on my own bandwidth. UMN uses it on their border links. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Aug 2 08:32:49 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> Message-ID: <1028294838.31530.10.camel@runabout> On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 07:18, John wrote: > On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards > > solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone > I don't have one but I did open the web site and they are > advertising it at the top of the page. I think better solicitiations come in the mail from other providers than MBNA. Even though I'm wearing my free linuxfund t-shirt, I still think that the card I've got is better. (prime+4.99% (~9.7%), 0% purchases and transfers for the next 12 months, waived annual fee forever, citibank citi.you card) Unless you've got worrysome credit, I would avoid MBNA. Also, when I closed my account with them they said I still owed them $12 even though there was no money left in the account! And I closed the account in good standing -0- balance and they tell the credit reporting agencies that I'm 90 days overdue! I think linuxfund was ~15% or so. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From drake at lemongecko.org Fri Aug 2 09:23:32 2002 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT (slightly): For your leeching pleasure (well, at least some of you) In-Reply-To: <1028296221.31429.33.camel@runabout>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:03:36AM -0500 References: <20020801215220.N20892@real-time.com> <1028296221.31429.33.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <20020802094149.F6812@lemongecko.org> On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 21:52, Bob Tanner wrote: > Third, http access is only available to Real Time connectivity customers. Sorry > about this, but to the 'net is expensive. LAN traffic is "cheap". At any rate, I'd like to thank Bob and Real-Time for gladiator. I've sucked down a lot of isos and "apt-get upgrade"s from that poor machine. Thanks! I should also thank the admins of debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu, which I also use more than really necessary... Just Another "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" Addict... Dan From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 09:23:55 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box Message-ID: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> I'm trying to get apt working on a RedHat 7.0 box. Any idea how I can resolve this? Thank you. # apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: LPRng: Depends: /etc/init.d at: Depends: /etc/init.d gpm: Depends: /etc/init.d ipchains: Depends: /etc/init.d kudzu: Depends: /etc/init.d linuxconf: Depends: /etc/init.d mc: Depends: /etc/init.d ntp: Depends: /etc/init.d openldap: Depends: /etc/init.d pidentd: Depends: /etc/init.d portmap: Depends: /etc/init.d samba: Depends: /etc/init.d sendmail: Depends: /etc/init.d sysklogd: Depends: /etc/init.d vixie-cron: Depends: /etc/init.d xinetd: Depends: /etc/init.d E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. # apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... failed. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: initscripts: Depends: sysklogd (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installed modutils: Depends: vixie-cron (>= 3.0.1-31) but it is not installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies # rpm -q sysklogd sysklogd-1.3.33-6 # rpm -q vixie-cron vixie-cron-3.0.1-56 The dependency problems it's claiming don't appear to be accurate. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Never put a TON of time into it but it'd be a nice thing > to be more familiar with either as a home user or in an IT environment. -- -scot From houle at citilink.com Fri Aug 2 10:10:56 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> Message-ID: <004b01c23a36$34581cf0$01000001@thoule> I think MBNA has an affinity card for just about everything. Any way they can make money. I cancelled my Sierra card with them cause of issues and they are now on my boycott list. IMHO I would avoid them, thought I like the thought of the Linux card as I did the Sierra Club card. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:18 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card > > > On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards > > solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. > Anyone have > > one of these, and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm > not big into > From llinder at medicomdigital.com Fri Aug 2 11:37:13 2002 From: llinder at medicomdigital.com (Lance Linder) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load balancing multiple modes / best choices for firewalls In-Reply-To: <20020801215420.A32438@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000001c23a45$82856590$6fbcf3d8@md06> Thanks for the info that everyone has given, the URLs that you all have given are a big help in getting me going in the right direction! I didn't realize that the firewall was that low level in Linux. I will definitely dig into the settings for iptables. The documentation that I have found on mppp (multilink ppp) aren't really descriptive. It doesn't seem like to many people out there are using this? However thanks for pointing this possibility out to me, it looks like if I can get it working it will be exactly what I need. Thanks! Lance From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 12:47:22 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm trying to get apt working on a RedHat 7.0 box. Any idea how I can > resolve this? Thank you. Run Debian, where Apt is meant to be run? :) > # apt-get -f install > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Correcting dependencies... failed. > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > initscripts: Depends: sysklogd (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installed > modutils: Depends: vixie-cron (>= 3.0.1-31) but it is not installed > E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be > caused by held packages. > E: Unable to correct dependencies > > # rpm -q sysklogd > sysklogd-1.3.33-6 > # rpm -q vixie-cron > vixie-cron-3.0.1-56 > > The dependency problems it's claiming don't appear to be accurate. What happens if you do: apt-get -f install initscripts modutils sysklogd vixie-cron .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and dist-upgrade? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From linux at bmetzler.org Fri Aug 2 12:52:32 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting ideas References: <1028236747.13277.10.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <20020802095443.A23760@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <3D4ACDD8.3070204@bmetzler.org> Scot Jenkins wrote: >try apsfilter; I used it under slack 8.1 and it works great; prints both >postscript and ascii text correctly. > >just run /usr/share/apsfilter/SETUP; it's text based and works great. I >went with most of the defaults. Once the printer works under lpr, just >share it via samba and install local drivers on your windows box and all >should be good. > > I'll second that. My Laserjet III is running on a Slackware print server. I used apsfilter and it basically works right out of the box. Samba also works nicely. One gotcha for a lot of people though is that when you set up a linux client to print to an lpd server, you need to use a raw driver, not the specific driver for your printer. Unlike Windows/Samba client's where you need to actually install the driver on each computer. Brent Metzler brent@bmetzler.org AIM: bmetzl1999 From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 13:14:07 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 01:08:36PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 01:08:36PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > What happens if you do: > > apt-get -f install initscripts modutils sysklogd vixie-cron # apt-get -f install initscripts modutils sysklogd vixie-cron Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, initscripts is already the newest version You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: LPRng: Depends: /etc/init.d at: Depends: /etc/init.d gpm: Depends: /etc/init.d ipchains: Depends: /etc/init.d kudzu: Depends: /etc/init.d linuxconf: Depends: /etc/init.d mc: Depends: /etc/init.d ntp: Depends: /etc/init.d openldap: Depends: /etc/init.d pidentd: Depends: /etc/init.d portmap: Depends: /etc/init.d samba: Depends: /etc/init.d sendmail: Depends: /etc/init.d sysklogd: Depends: /etc/init.d vixie-cron: Depends: /etc/init.d xinetd: Depends: /etc/init.d E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). > .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and > dist-upgrade? I suppose I could simulate it but I don't intend to do this. 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LAN traffic is "cheap". > > Man bob, you really want me to ditch my cable modem for a RT DSL don't you. > One problem though, it means i h ave to deal with fuggin qworst to get the > wire. > > Qworst sux. > If we could convince the cable boyz that it's ok to publish and consume lots of upstream bandwidth, I'd love to put gladiator on the cable company networks. But talking to the sales people they want you to consume resources from the 'net, not publish resources for others to consume, even with business cable. -OR- If the tcwug mesh/hotspot/overlay/??/?? (whatever topology) comes to be, there could be leeching via wireless stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 14:20:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT (slightly): For your leeching pleasure (well, at least some of you) In-Reply-To: <20020802094149.F6812@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.org on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:41:49AM -0400 References: <20020801215220.N20892@real-time.com> <1028296221.31429.33.camel@runabout> <20020802094149.F6812@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20020802145802.B8073@real-time.com> Quoting Dan Drake (drake@lemongecko.org): > On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 21:52, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Third, http access is only available to Real Time connectivity customers. Sorry > > about this, but to the 'net is expensive. LAN traffic is "cheap". > > At any rate, I'd like to thank Bob and Real-Time for gladiator. I've sucked > down a lot of isos and "apt-get upgrade"s from that poor machine. Thanks! ^^^^ Gladiator is not a poor machine :-) If I wasn't so lazy I'd publish the pictures of it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 14:20:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY>; from scotty@cloudnet.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 07:18:17AM -0500 References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> Message-ID: <20020802145911.C8073@real-time.com> Quoting John (scotty@cloudnet.com): > On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > On a side note, I keep getting the Linux fund credit cards > > solicitations in the mail. This is issued by MBNA bank. Anyone > > have one of these, and if so, what's your thoughts on it? I'm not > > big into credit cards, but if it really does go to help the > > linuxfund.org then I might consider it. > > I don't have one but I did open the web site and they are > advertising it at the top of the page. Have had one since 1999 I think. I mostly get, "... a penguin, how cute ..." when I use it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 14:20:30 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <20020802084121.B1127@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 08:41:21AM -0500 References: <20020801213216.T5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020801214414.4029cfdb.sfertch@real-time.com> <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> <20020802084121.B1127@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802145952.D8073@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > I've had one for probably 3 years. I'm not sure how much actually goes > to Linux Fund but I like it more for Linux PR than anything. > Unfortunately, most cashiers who see it tell me how 'cute' the penguin > is and don't seem to notice Linux. Oh well. I figure if I'm going to > use a credit card, I might as well use one that gives back something to > the Linux community, no matter how small. Should have known you'd beat me to the posting! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 14:21:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 01:52:57PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com> > > .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and > > dist-upgrade? > > I suppose I could simulate it but I don't intend to do this. It's a > combination highly fragile and highly important box. What does rpm -qf /etc/init.d give you? And what does rpm -ql initscripts give you? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 15:02:28 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:02:37PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802153002.Q1127@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:02:37PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > > > .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and > > > dist-upgrade? > > > > I suppose I could simulate it but I don't intend to do this. It's a > > combination highly fragile and highly important box. > > What does > > rpm -qf /etc/init.d > > give you? Ugh. Looks like that's the problem: [root@delphi atanner]# rpm -qf /etc/init.d file /etc/init.d is not owned by any package I suppose I'll have to do a forced re-install the initscripts package. But I don't think apt is going to let me - I'll have to do with rpm. Any other ideas. > And what does rpm -ql initscripts give you? [root@delphi atanner]# rpm -ql initscripts /bin/doexec /bin/ipcalc /bin/usleep /etc/X11/prefdm /etc/adjtime /etc/initlog.conf /etc/inittab /etc/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/eu_ES/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/gl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/hu/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/id/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/is/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/no/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/pt/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/ro/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/sk/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/sl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/sr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/wa/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/zh/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/locale/zh_CN.GB2312/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/ppp/ip-down /etc/ppp/ip-up /etc/profile.d/lang.csh /etc/profile.d/lang.sh /etc/rc /etc/rc.d /etc/rc.d/init.d /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt /etc/rc.d/init.d/killall /etc/rc.d/init.d/netfs /etc/rc.d/init.d/network /etc/rc.d/init.d/random /etc/rc.d/init.d/rawdevices /etc/rc.d/init.d/single /etc/rc.d/rc /etc/rc.d/rc.local /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit /etc/rc.d/rc0.d /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/S00killall /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/S01halt /etc/rc.d/rc1.d /etc/rc.d/rc1.d/S00single /etc/rc.d/rc2.d /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S99local /etc/rc.d/rc3.d /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99local /etc/rc.d/rc4.d /etc/rc.d/rc5.d /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local /etc/rc.d/rc6.d /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/S00killall /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/S01reboot /etc/rc.local /etc/rc.sysinit /etc/rc0.d /etc/rc1.d /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d /etc/rc5.d /etc/rc6.d /etc/sysconfig/console /etc/sysconfig/init /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown-ipv6 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown-post /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown-ppp /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown-sit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifdown-sl /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-ipv6 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-ipx /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-plip /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-plusb /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-ppp /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-routes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-sit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-sl /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions-ipv6 /etc/sysconfig/rawdevices /etc/sysctl.conf /sbin/consoletype /sbin/getkey /sbin/ifdown /sbin/ifup /sbin/initlog /sbin/minilogd /sbin/mkkerneldoth /sbin/netreport /sbin/ppp-watch /sbin/service /sbin/setsysfont /usr/sbin/sys-unconfig /usr/sbin/usernetctl /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83 /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/ChangeLog /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/ipv6-tunnel.howto /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/static-routes-ipv6 /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/sysconfig.txt /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/sysvinitfiles /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/eu_ES/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/gl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/hu/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/id/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-sit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-sl /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions-ipv6 /etc/sysconfig/rawdevices /etc/sysctl.conf /sbin/consoletype /sbin/getkey /sbin/ifdown /sbin/ifup /sbin/initlog /sbin/minilogd /sbin/mkkerneldoth /sbin/netreport /sbin/ppp-watch /sbin/service /sbin/setsysfont /usr/sbin/sys-unconfig /usr/sbin/usernetctl /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83 /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/ChangeLog /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/ipv6-tunnel.howto /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/static-routes-ipv6 /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/sysconfig.txt /usr/share/doc/initscripts-5.83/sysvinitfiles /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/eu_ES/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/gl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/hu/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/id/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/is/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/no/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/pt/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/ro/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/sk/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/sl/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/sr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/wa/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/zh/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/locale/zh_CN.GB2312/LC_MESSAGES/initscripts.mo /usr/share/man/man1/consoletype.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/doexec.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/initlog.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/ipcalc.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/netreport.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/usleep.1.gz /usr/share/man/man8/ppp-watch.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/sys-unconfig.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/usernetctl.8.gz /var/log/wtmp /var/run/netreport /var/run/utmp > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It sounds like newer versions of the updates may be being installed, or something similar. > > .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and > > dist-upgrade? > > I suppose I could simulate it but I don't intend to do this. It's a > combination highly fragile and highly important box. Ugh, that's no fun. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 15:51:35 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020802153002.Q1127@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:30:02PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com> <20020802153002.Q1127@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020802163615.C18038@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:02:37PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > > > > .. or what happens if you change sources.lists to 7.3 stuff and > > > > dist-upgrade? > > > > > > I suppose I could simulate it but I don't intend to do this. It's a > > > combination highly fragile and highly important box. > > > > What does > > > > rpm -qf /etc/init.d > > > > give you? > > Ugh. Looks like that's the problem: chkconfig installs the /etc/init.d, try installing that via rpm, could just rpm --justdb it, so the files don't really get install. Are you trying to upgrade the 7.0 box to 7.3? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 17:27:59 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux fund credit card In-Reply-To: <004b01c23a36$34581cf0$01000001@thoule> References: <200208021218.g72CIft00457@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> <004b01c23a36$34581cf0$01000001@thoule> Message-ID: <20020802175451.22f07521.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:06:38 -0500 "Terry Houle" wrote: > I think MBNA has an affinity card for just about everything. Any way > they can make money. I cancelled my Sierra card with them cause of > issues and they are now on my boycott list. IMHO I would avoid them, > thought I like the thought of the Linux card as I did the Sierra Club > card. > What kind of issues did you have with them? I had an account years ago, but I closed it due to not needing it. I'm looking at transferring my single card to another, and the nice thing about this one is that some money does to go the linuxfund. Other than that, I'd go with something else. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From dane at sihope.com Fri Aug 2 17:29:23 2002 From: dane at sihope.com (Dan Empanger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] isp's Message-ID: <000c01c23a7b$2cf77b00$0300000a@sihope.com> what are you people using for an ISP. I want to start using mysql and cannot use my isp as they are not set up for this yet. they say it will be at least 2-3 months before they are ready. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020802/88636608/attachment.html From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Aug 2 17:42:30 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL (WAS: isp's) In-Reply-To: <000c01c23a7b$2cf77b00$0300000a@sihope.com> References: <000c01c23a7b$2cf77b00$0300000a@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20020802233149.GA27863@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 06:20:17PM -0500, Dan Empanger wrote: > what are you people using for an ISP. I want to start using > mysql and cannot use my isp as they are not set up for this > yet. they say it will be at least 2-3 months before they are > ready. No reason you can't run your own MySQL server. It's a mixed blessing -- you have to do all the work, but you get control. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 18:35:39 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest nmap in apt Message-ID: <20020802191521.V20892@real-time.com> I've put the lastest nmap into apt. Enjoy. The RPM package has been signed with gnupg and my personal key. MD5: bf7d202e6e4082093d02ce228b6458a7 nmap-3.00-1.i386.rpm 62925f7fe21ba484768bbb9b57729745 nmap-frontend-3.00-1.i386.rpm 2d04682e972d954061e209865c8bf5af nmap-3.00-1.src.rpm To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Aug 2 18:37:17 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For Sale: Cisco 675 Message-ID: <20020803002157.GA1452@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Contact me if you are interested in a Cisco 675. I would like to get $15.00. Feel free to make an offer. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 2 18:38:09 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Basic USB help Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088880E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I always had problems compiling usb-storage directly into the kernel. You might have better luck compiling it as a module, seems to work better. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:47 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Basic USB help > > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 12:02:03PM -0500, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:38:45AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > $ ls /proc/scsi/ > > > aha152x/ scsi sg/ usb-storage-0/ > > > > I'd suggest you cat /proc/scsi/scsi and make sure the reader is > > listed, for one. > > Nope, it's not. /proc/scsi/scsi only shows the CD-R drive. > > > I'd also make sure that the drive is listed in usbview (and > make sure > > that usb-storage is listed under the Name: of it's interface) > > usbview complains that it can't open /proc/bus/usb/devices > and says to make sure the kernel has USB support (the dmesg > output I sent earlier seems to confirm that) and the usbdevfs > filesystem is mounted. Which it isn't. So, referring to > linux-usb.org: > > # mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb > mount: mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist > # mkdir /proc/bus/usb > mkdir: cannot create directory `/proc/bus/usb': No such file > or directory > > (Not that I'm surprised to see mkdir fail under /proc...) > > OTOH, according to /usr/src/linux/.config: > > # CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS is not set > > As for what _is_ set: > > CONFIG_USB=y > CONFIG_USB_UHCI=y > CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=y > > I suppose I'll turn on the "Preliminary USB device > filesystem" and see what that buys me... > > > Are you sure the media is partitioned, formatted, and mount > is using > > the right filesystem? > > I formatted it (presumably as vfat) with the camera. > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the > terrorists have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom > Swiss _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From myok at ogzr.org Fri Aug 2 20:08:30 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest nmap in apt In-Reply-To: <20020802191521.V20892@real-time.com> References: <20020802191521.V20892@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1028338967.1639.1.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 19:15, Bob Tanner wrote: > I've put the lastest nmap into apt. > > Enjoy. > > The RPM package has been signed with gnupg and my personal key. > > MD5: > > bf7d202e6e4082093d02ce228b6458a7 nmap-3.00-1.i386.rpm > 62925f7fe21ba484768bbb9b57729745 nmap-frontend-3.00-1.i386.rpm > 2d04682e972d954061e209865c8bf5af nmap-3.00-1.src.rpm > > To get my personal key: > > $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 > Which keyserver is hosting it? I've tried keyserver.net, www.keyserver.net and keyserver.pgp.com without success, and also searched the archives in case this was mentioned somewhere before. -- Carl Patten From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 21:17:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887F95@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:16:07PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887F95@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020722120939.A2808@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > Tried Covad SDSL? > > Yep, can only get iDSL through them, 144kbps. Sucks. Maybe Xcel energy > will start testing those IP over power line thingies. Or maybe the FCC will > reverse their decision and force cable providers to open their lines to > other providers. Or maybe a bunch of us need to get together and build a > nice wireless net and chip in on a fat pipe to the net. :) Come to the next TCWUG meeting and hear Mike Horwath (from Visi) explain why this isn't possible from a business prespective. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 21:17:41 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3.02 and bad helvetica fonts In-Reply-To: <20020714144220.A2700@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.org on Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 02:42:20PM -0400 References: <20020714144220.A2700@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20020722121338.B2808@real-time.com> Quoting Dan Drake (drake@lemongecko.org): > I've just pulled down the KDE 3 .debs for Debian unstable, and I like it. > The one thing that surprises me is that Helvetica fonts look horrible in > Konqueror. :( > > Here's an example: http://www.math.umn.edu/~drake/konq-shot.png > > Do any KDE gurus here know how I can fix this? It's probably pretty simple, > but I'd like to do it in The KDE Way(tm). Install the Microsoft Internet fonts :-( Google Microsoft Internet fonts -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 22:32:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest nmap in apt In-Reply-To: <1028338967.1639.1.camel@herbie.doomnode.net>; from myok@ogzr.org on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 08:42:37PM -0500 References: <20020802191521.V20892@real-time.com> <1028338967.1639.1.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <20020802224634.F8073@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Patten (myok@ogzr.org): > > To get my personal key: > > > > $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 > > > > Which keyserver is hosting it? I've tried keyserver.net, > www.keyserver.net and keyserver.pgp.com without success, and also > searched the archives in case this was mentioned somewhere before. keyserver x-hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 22:35:56 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opennms In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888019@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 02:11:09PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888019@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020722122245.C2808@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Does anyone have OpenNMS (http://www.opennms.org) running? Yes. I also contribute to the project. > Is it worth it to spend the time installing it? Depends on what you want, how many boxes you got, etc. > How does it compare to Netsaint? If you just want status check, Netsaint is much easier to setup. If you want reports, trends, capacity planning, etc. OpenNMS is they way to go. If you want to limit views and functionality by username, OpenNMS is the way to go. If you have a box with 1G+ RAM just laying around OpenNMS is the way to go :-P I run it internally at Real Time, still not 100% comfortable with it to replace Netsaint. > Are there any distros that have it installed by default, like Telemetry > linux? None that I know. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 2 23:14:13 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc, redhat, total mess Message-ID: <20020802235546.G8073@real-time.com> Can someone fill me in on the whole gcc + redhat mess? Long story why I got into this stuff. Been on irc and the mailing list for a specific problem. Anyway "people" say 2.96 is a non-existent version of gcc, which from what I can tell is true. Looks like redhat pulled this out of the butt. Anyone confirm or deny this? Which leads to WHY did redhat do this? "People" says 2.96 is crap/buggy/junk/useless/etc, but I've not run into any problem, even the xine which says 2.96 WON'T work. "People" say to upgrade to 3.1, -other- people say 3.1 is crap, go to 3.2, still others say there is nothing wrong with 2.96. I say I'm just confused. Anyone care to enlighten me? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 2 23:15:53 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887F95@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020722120939.A2808@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001001c23aab$3b97d4e0$0401a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Do you have a URL for the TCWUG? Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > Tried Covad SDSL? > > > > Yep, can only get iDSL through them, 144kbps. Sucks. Maybe Xcel energy > > will start testing those IP over power line thingies. Or maybe the FCC will > > reverse their decision and force cable providers to open their lines to > > other providers. Or maybe a bunch of us need to get together and build a > > nice wireless net and chip in on a fat pipe to the net. :) > > Come to the next TCWUG meeting and hear Mike Horwath (from Visi) explain why > this isn't possible from a business prespective. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 3 00:18:03 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc, redhat, total mess In-Reply-To: <20020802235546.G8073@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 11:55:46PM -0500 References: <20020802235546.G8073@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020803004600.Y5338@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 11:55:46PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Can someone fill me in on the whole gcc + redhat mess? > > Long story why I got into this stuff. Been on irc and the mailing list for a > specific problem. > > Anyway "people" say 2.96 is a non-existent version of gcc, which from what I can > tell is true. Looks like redhat pulled this out of the butt. Anyone confirm or > deny this? RedHat pulled it out of CVS and called it 2.96 to denote that it wasn't *Gasp* 2.95. > > Which leads to WHY did redhat do this? I suggest this url for a detailed explanation: http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html > > "People" says 2.96 is crap/buggy/junk/useless/etc, but I've not run into any > problem, even the xine which says 2.96 WON'T work. > These "people" are usually $otherdist zealots, mplayer claims it won't work at all either, and has a specific ./configure check for it, it works fine. Of course, it turned out to be a bug in mplayer having to do with Intel asm. > "People" say to upgrade to 3.1, -other- people say 3.1 is crap, go to 3.2, still > others say there is nothing wrong with 2.96. I say I'm just confused. My typical response to this is 'I'm happy with what I have for now, because it works fine', of course, if you are having problems, trying gcc 3.1/3.2 might be worth it. > > Anyone care to enlighten me? Consider yourself enlightened, please spread the word =) > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. ^- yet. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 3 01:26:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc, redhat, total mess In-Reply-To: <20020803004600.Y5338@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 12:46:00AM -0500 References: <20020802235546.G8073@real-time.com> <20020803004600.Y5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020803021925.A4427@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > > Which leads to WHY did redhat do this? > > I suggest this url for a detailed explanation: > > http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html Very enlightening! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 3 03:08:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? Message-ID: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> Anyone able to get the java plugin to work with mozilla-1.0.0? HOWTO please? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Aug 3 07:27:43 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> References: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020803074914.A4887@botwerks.org> i've been running java w/moz-1.0.0 since the release. install the appropriate JRE or JDK depending on your tastes. cd $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins ln -s $JRE_HOME/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . start up mozilla. that seems to do the trick for me. when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Aug 03, 2002), Bob Tanner was madly tapping out: > Anyone able to get the java plugin to work with mozilla-1.0.0? > > HOWTO please? > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 3 07:28:17 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest nmap in apt In-Reply-To: <1028338967.1639.1.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> References: <20020802191521.V20892@real-time.com> <1028338967.1639.1.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <1028380790.2965.4.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 20:42, Carl Patten wrote: > Which keyserver is hosting it? I've tried keyserver.net, > www.keyserver.net and keyserver.pgp.com without success, and also > searched the archives in case this was mentioned somewhere before. I used pgp.mit.edu, as wwwkeys.us.pgp.net seemed to be down.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Tolkien is hobbit-forming. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You still have to add them to the X server or font server font path if I remember right. apt-get install msttcorefonts -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ She did WHAT with WHO for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ HOW MANY Mini-Oreos? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020803/7a22051a/attachment.pgp From jiml at visi.com Sat Aug 3 08:13:08 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> Message-ID: from the $MOZILLA_HOME/plugin dir do: ln -s $JRE/plugin/i386/ns600/libjava[something] ./ restart Mozilla ymmv -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:37 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? Importance: High Anyone able to get the java plugin to work with mozilla-1.0.0? HOWTO please? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kethry at winternet.com Sat Aug 3 08:53:02 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've never got it to run - instead, I opted to download the latest build - java plugins work *great* On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone able to get the java plugin to work with mozilla-1.0.0? > > HOWTO please? > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From phil at rephil.org Sat Aug 3 09:34:19 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic In-Reply-To: <200208030541.g735f7M22444@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200208030541.g735f7M22444@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020803145401.GA6337@rephil.org> On Sat, 03-Aug-2002 at 12:41:07AM -0500, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:09:39 -0500 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > Tried Covad SDSL? > > > > Yep, can only get iDSL through them, 144kbps. Sucks. Maybe Xcel energy > > will start testing those IP over power line thingies. Or maybe the FCC will > > reverse their decision and force cable providers to open their lines to > > other providers. Or maybe a bunch of us need to get together and build a > > nice wireless net and chip in on a fat pipe to the net. :) > > Come to the next TCWUG meeting and hear Mike Horwath (from Visi) explain why > this isn't possible from a business prespective. I'm not sure which thing you mean Mike H. will explain, but I can tell you that the IP over power line thing works in Europe, but is a PITA (read: prohibitively expensive) here. It comes down to the choice of having the last transformer be central and serve lots of houses, which is what they do in Europe, or having lots of little transformers for fewer houses, which is what we do here. You have to do some gymnastics to get IP around xformers; HF doesn't want to pass through them. We have just too many of the things to get around, so it's too expensive. There was an article in, I think, SciAm a couple of issues ago. -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From veldy at veldy.net Sat Aug 3 10:12:28 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887F95@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020722120939.A2808@real-time.com> <001001c23aab$3b97d4e0$0401a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <000b01c23b06$0d370f70$0101a8c0@cascade> Guess that was a stupid question. ;) Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic > Do you have a URL for the TCWUG? > > Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic > > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > > Tried Covad SDSL? > > > > > > Yep, can only get iDSL through them, 144kbps. Sucks. Maybe Xcel energy > > > will start testing those IP over power line thingies. Or maybe the FCC > will > > > reverse their decision and force cable providers to open their lines to > > > other providers. Or maybe a bunch of us need to get together and build > a > > > nice wireless net and chip in on a fat pipe to the net. :) > > > > Come to the next TCWUG meeting and hear Mike Horwath (from Visi) explain > why > > this isn't possible from a business prespective. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at refried.org Sat Aug 3 11:48:48 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open protocols and open source In-Reply-To: References: <008501c23263$20a01b70$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20020723170403.GA2133@refried.org> On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 11:28:08AM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > You can start going to open source a little at a time, without hiring a > new IT staff. For instance, you can save that 50-75K by running open > office on existing windows systems. Open source software is nice enough > now to start running certain applications, without diving in head first. While that may all be true, isn't the point of school to teach kids things that they'll _use_ once they get out of school? That's why my high school (back in the day) used primarily Windows, MS Office, WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, etc. Why teach them an application they an application that they'll probably never use? Nate From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Aug 3 13:28:00 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open protocols and open source In-Reply-To: <20020723170403.GA2133@refried.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 nate@refried.org wrote: > > While that may all be true, isn't the point of school to teach kids > things that they'll _use_ once they get out of school? That's why my > high school (back in the day) used primarily Windows, MS Office, > WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, etc. Why teach them an > application they an application that they'll probably never use? > Umm, functionally, the difference from one word processor & another is almost nil, these days. same with spreadsheets. look at cars - just because the headlight switch looks different, doesn't mean that you can learn to turn them on. the point of education should be to make students aware of what exists in the world. and let them decide which they find interesting, and they can make their own choices. "If you want to get laid, go to college, but if you want an education, go to the library." -Frank Zappa -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From myok at ogzr.org Sat Aug 3 13:29:12 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open protocols and open source In-Reply-To: <20020723170403.GA2133@refried.org> References: <008501c23263$20a01b70$0201a8c0@office> <20020723170403.GA2133@refried.org> Message-ID: <1028401253.1956.18.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 12:04, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 11:28:08AM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > > You can start going to open source a little at a time, without hiring a > > new IT staff. For instance, you can save that 50-75K by running open > > office on existing windows systems. Open source software is nice enough > > now to start running certain applications, without diving in head first. > > > While that may all be true, isn't the point of school to teach kids > things that they'll _use_ once they get out of school? That's why my > high school (back in the day) used primarily Windows, MS Office, > WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, etc. Why teach them an > application they an application that they'll probably never use? > All schools are not trade schools. In most schools they're going to class to learn to _write_, not to become an expert in one word processor. They're learning the concepts of _publishing_, not just how to become a Quark Xpress or Pagemaker whiz. The concept of "diversity" that's been done to death in our educational systems applies not just to race but to software. As long as the teacher receives a paper in an acceptable standard format, it's irrelevant what program was used to create it. Give them a few options on the school computers, let them choose what they prefer. There's a plethora of community education classes and other resources for people who just want to put "Microsoft Word" on their resume. -- Carl Patten From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 3 13:38:29 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2GB file limit? In-Reply-To: <20020721222650.A8697@lemongecko.org> References: <20020721222650.A8697@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <1027448166.20759.4.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 21:26, Dan Drake wrote: > I thought this was no longer a problem as of the 2.4 kernels, but: I'm > having problems creating a file larger than 2 gigabytes (2^31 bytes). > > I'm doing this on a Reiser partition. I'm running Debian unstable with > kernel 2.4.19-rc1. > > First I was backing things up, and tar choked when the tarball hit 2GB. > Thinking that perhaps it was a tar problem, I took a file that's over a > gigabyte (call it "fred"), copied it a file called "huge", then tried this: > > cat fred >> huge What command line did you use for tar? Did it have a pipe in it? What shell are you using? I suspect the problem might be that your shell can't handle piping data for more than 2GB, though I've never run into that problem before (and I can't remember if this would indicate a shell problem, or if it's something more obscure). Also, maybe you can try doing `dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.dat bs=1M count=2049' and see if dd can create a 2049 MB file. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ethernet: something used to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ catch the Etherbunny \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's why my > high school (back in the day) used primarily Windows, MS Office, > WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, etc. Why teach them an > application they an application that they'll probably never use? > If you come to work at Real Time, and you know only MS stuff you'll never get to use those tools. I think schools should be like a buffet. A little sample of everything. There is not gurantee that they won't see OO out there. DOD is switching to StarOffice and they employee lots of people. Since OO is free and runs under Windows why not have both on the boxes in school? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 3 14:31:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803074914.A4887@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 07:49:14AM -0500 References: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> <20020803074914.A4887@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> Quoting steve ulrich (sulrich@botwerks.org): > > i've been running java w/moz-1.0.0 since the release. > > install the appropriate JRE or JDK depending on your tastes. > > cd $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins > ln -s $JRE_HOME/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . Did that an mozilla segfaults. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jiml at visi.com Sat Aug 3 15:28:43 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> Message-ID: i had the segfaults too. ended up using a '/' on the end and that made it work jl -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:46 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? Importance: High Quoting steve ulrich (sulrich@botwerks.org): > > i've been running java w/moz-1.0.0 since the release. > > install the appropriate JRE or JDK depending on your tastes. > > cd $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins > ln -s $JRE_HOME/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . Did that an mozilla segfaults. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Aug 3 16:30:57 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search Message-ID: <20020803221013.GA32333@fireopal.org> OK, I _thought_ I'd seen reference to this before - and now I can't find it. Anyone know of a device that's a modem on one side and a wireless access point on the other? Thought I'd seen one, but now I can't find it. I've got a friend who has one computer, a laptop, that DOESN'T want to string wire all over the place. Doesn't have any high-speed access, no desire to get it - just wants a way to connect to the phone lines and dial in. Suggestions? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From bneigebauer at attbi.com Sat Aug 3 17:24:04 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search In-Reply-To: <20020803221013.GA32333@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <007301c23b42$e44c4840$6462a8c0@slick> I believe some of the airport base stations from apple do this..... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Scott Raun Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search OK, I _thought_ I'd seen reference to this before - and now I can't find it. Anyone know of a device that's a modem on one side and a wireless access point on the other? Thought I'd seen one, but now I can't find it. I've got a friend who has one computer, a laptop, that DOESN'T want to string wire all over the place. Doesn't have any high-speed access, no desire to get it - just wants a way to connect to the phone lines and dial in. Suggestions? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 4 04:02:20 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, You haven't by any chance changed your user-agent? user_pref("general.useragent.override", etc. ? That'll break it. Gerry On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting steve ulrich (sulrich@botwerks.org): > > i've been running java w/moz-1.0.0 since the release. > > > > install the appropriate JRE or JDK depending on your tastes. > > > > cd $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins > > ln -s $JRE_HOME/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . > > Did that an mozilla segfaults. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 4 04:12:47 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> References: <20020803033700.A5127@real-time.com> <20020803074914.A4887@botwerks.org> <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020804014425.GB12155@sistina.com> On Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 02:45:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting steve ulrich (sulrich@botwerks.org): >> >> i've been running java w/moz-1.0.0 since the release. >> >> install the appropriate JRE or JDK depending on your tastes. >> >> cd $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins >> ln -s $JRE_HOME/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . > java is compiled with gcc-2.9x if your mozilla is compiled with gcc-3.1x or higher, you're hosed. The symbol names don't match up. There was a huge thread on the gentoo list about it, sux. Not much we can do about it untill sun releases a gcc-3.1x compiled jdk | jre -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Open source software is nice enough > > now to start running certain applications, without diving in head first. > > > While that may all be true, isn't the point of school to teach kids > things that they'll _use_ once they get out of school? That's why my > high school (back in the day) used primarily Windows, MS Office, > WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, etc. Why teach them an > application they an application that they'll probably never use? > Nate, This is a very important question. What *should* we be teaching in high schools? There are, of course, broader considerations than just technology. The curriculum pendulum these days has swung very widely toward what's called "social efficiency." That's the idea that the curriculum should be focused on what the students will need for their working lives. In technology, you can see this reflected in all the speeches that technology leaders like to give about schooling and how it should be changed. Lou Gerstner from IBM is typical of this. He wrote a book called "Reinventing Education: Entrepreneurship in Today's Schools" and speaks a lot about how schools aren't preparing students for the workplace of the future. One of the problems I face as an educator is preparing students for a future that is unknowable. Instead of playing futurist, my goal is to prepare students with the skills to adapt to a changing world. Sibley, like many high schools, teaches entire courses on using office productivity software. We have a course in MS Word/Powerpoing and Excel/Access. These are usually taught be business teachers on the pretense that students will be going out into the workforce and the software skills they learn will be useful to them. A better approach in my view, and one that I'm sure a lot of teachers take, is teaching students to use a word processor, not necessarily MS Word. In my perfect world students would learn to use these tools as part of the regular curriculum. For example, how about learning to use a spreadsheet in a social studies class that is studying the results of the 2000 census? They could be making charts, projecting future growth, etc. How about learning databases in a biology class where the students are collecting data on water quality from area streams and ponds? The students could also learn to use presentation software when it's time to present their results. (I'm just making these up off the top of my head, but I know some schools are doing things like this.) One of the challenges is training the regular teaching staff to be proficient technology users themselves. One reason that the business teachers do this work is that they are knowledgeable about it. There are lots of tech-savvy teachers in every school, but they're spread out in various departments. Taking on a project using technology in a 9th grade English course, for example, would require the training of 4-6 teachers at a school of 1,500 students. It would be a good thing, no doubt about it, but the staff development programs in most schools that I know about aren't equipped to handle training like that. But that's a whole separate discussion. Don't get me started! :-) Another factor is the parents. A number of years ago, our school made the decision to move away from Macs to PCs. One of the most consistent arguments we heard was that the PCs were what businesses used and what the students would need to know down the road. I suspect that if our school dumped MS Office for StarOffice, for example, we'd hear about it from concerned parents. That said, we'll probably consider doing it anyway when our $50k bill for Office XP licenses arrives in the mail. Well this reply is longer than I intended it to be. Later. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From fritchie at mr.net Sun Aug 4 04:19:40 2002 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search In-Reply-To: Message of "Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:10:00 CDT." <007301c23b42$e44c4840$6462a8c0@slick> Message-ID: <200208040452.g744qoa09957@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "bn" == BN writes: bn> I believe some of the airport base stations from apple do bn> this..... There are two different varieties of Apple AirPort base stations. The one I've got is the older one, in grey plastic. That one is nicknamed "graphite". The newer ones are allegedly white (I've never actually seen one) and are nicknamed "snow". They are very different beasts internally, which makes a difference when using some of the non-Apple configuration tools available on the 'net. I know the graphites have modems in them, and apparently the snows do, too, if non-Apple config tool docs are any indication, e.g. http://edge.mcs.drexel.edu/GICL/people/sevy/airport/, whose "configurator" version 1 I use for my graphite. The folks I used to work with at Sendmail liked the modem when on the road: they'd bring their base station with them and use it to dial in to The Mother Ship. If a group were staying at the same hotel, they'd try to get adjacent rooms in order to share the modem. -Scott From seg at haxxed.com Sun Aug 4 04:33:28 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash script: send new IP addresses via email References: <20020801160237.8CD9818027@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3D4CF35F.7000903@haxxed.com> I just use dyndns.org. ;P I've never bothered setting up scripts, I use their "static" dns, which is just dynamic dns with longer TTLs. My corner of the cable system was keeping the same IP for over six months at a time. Even after rebooting the server and the modem, I end up getting the same address. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Sun Aug 4 05:24:50 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! Message-ID: Groupwise can do all the email and scheduling tasks that Exchange does, and can sync with many devices (I hear). It is on version 6 and is available from Novell. It runs on a Netware server, version 5 or 6, I think. Not a plug for Groupwise, just another option. I wonder what an MS zealot would say about a Novell option? From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 4 05:25:28 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20020724142827.GC27652@sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:28:27AM -0500 References: <1027493507.3d3e4e834fb91@webmail.nerp.net> <001e01c2331b$89b37bd0$0e62a8c0@slick> <20020724142827.GC27652@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020724123647.B26456@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Also I can't stress enough the importance of "Networking" when looking for > work. (No not IP networking, people networking) It's important for us dorks > to get out, get some sunlight once in a while and get to know some people, > at some point if you're mingling in the right circles and can sell yourself > you'll get lucky. I can assure you that staying indoors and not going to > LUG meetings, trade shows etc is not going to net you many offers. -OR- Stay indoors and start your own business. :-P And never see the light of day again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Aug 4 06:21:23 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888813B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > You can look at Bynari, Ximian Exhange plugin, but they are > not as good as Exchange and Outlook. Bynari sucks. Just try a demo of it, it likes to crash repeatedly, even more than outlook. > At Real Time, if a customer wants all the features of > outlook/exchange, we explain the risks of outlook (viruses, > etc), the risk of exchange (like the difficulty in backing up > the mondo-inbox-file) and conceed Microsoft's -superior > integrated- solution. This is not really the case anymore. Exchange 2000 will store mail in a SQL database if you tell it to, then you just back up the database. Don't get me wrong, I still think it sucks, but it's gotten better. Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 4 07:43:07 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash script: send new IP addresses via email In-Reply-To: <3D4CF35F.7000903@haxxed.com> References: <20020801160237.8CD9818027@wookimus.net> <3D4CF35F.7000903@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20020804133023.GA25804@sistina.com> On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 04:26:55AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >I just use dyndns.org. ;P > >I've never bothered setting up scripts, I use their "static" dns, which >is just dynamic dns with longer TTLs. My corner of the cable system was >keeping the same IP for over six months at a time. Even after rebooting >the server and the modem, I end up getting the same address. I chose to use Nate's method and host my personal DNS at work and used a signed zone transfer run from a script by dhcpcd when it notices a variation in the IP. I don't know if it really runs the script when there's a difference (the manpage says it does) because I've had the same IPaddress for the entire time I've had my cable modem. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From doughanson at attbi.com Sun Aug 4 07:52:50 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Sys Admin Day Message-ID: <20020724192653.KRCX24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> I am sure there are alot of Admins out there, Friday is your day!!! http://www.sysadminday.com/ -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Aug 4 08:13:04 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open protocols and open source In-Reply-To: <20020804025753.GA9314@isis.visi.com> References: <008501c23263$20a01b70$0201a8c0@office> <20020723170403.GA2133@refried.org> <20020804025753.GA9314@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020804084224.17be84e7.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:57:54 -0500 Tim Wilson wrote: > Another factor is the parents. A number of years ago, our school made > the decision to move away from Macs to PCs. One of the most consistent > arguments we heard was that the PCs were what businesses used and what > the students would need to know down the road. I suspect that if our > school dumped MS Office for StarOffice, for example, we'd hear about > it from concerned parents. That said, we'll probably consider doing it > anyway when our $50k bill for Office XP licenses arrives in the mail. Our school district wanted to do something similar about 6 years or so ago. So, they hired a consulting company for $250,000 to go out and determine which OS would best prepare our students for "the real world." Between Mac and Windows, you'd think Windows would. Wrong, they determined that Mac was the better choice. Go figure. I think there were other decisions in there that made them decide this: retraining the faculty to use windows, costs of software, etc. There are Windows machines in there now, but not too many. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 4 08:52:20 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how about QMail? In-Reply-To: <20020724114645.I26824@wookimus.net> References: <003201c2332c$67223d70$d60a0a0a@fqb0g01> <20020724114645.I26824@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020724193904.GE27652@sistina.com> On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 11:46:45AM -0500, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: >machine running postfix, spamassassin, and AmaVis with Clam Antivirus. All >Free Software, all Debian packages. Gee, I wonder why. *grin* The only reason I can fathom is because you hate yourself so badly that you wish drive yourself to an early grave through the accumulation of so much stress that your head explodes. Heh. Sorry chad, had to be done. On a more serious note, aside from the license issues are the facts that in order to get any more "Advanced" functionality out of qmail such as TLS and AUTH support you must add patches to it since DJB has decided that his code is good and complete and he'll not be maintaining or updating or adding any new features. All this patching, while easy can make a headache for maintenance. I can say that I switched to Exim and have never looked back, it's a fantastic MTA that'll do nearly anything you wish it too out of the box. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do any ISPs in the area allow you to pay a nominal fee to do this? I don't think I'd be able to do this at work (well, I probably wouldn't be able to keep a box there for more than a few more months). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ California raisins / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ murdered: Cereal Killer \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) suspected [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 4 11:22:54 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888813B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 01:56:48PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888813B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020804120012.A24192@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > At Real Time, if a customer wants all the features of > > outlook/exchange, we explain the risks of outlook (viruses, > > etc), the risk of exchange (like the difficulty in backing up > > the mondo-inbox-file) and conceed Microsoft's -superior > > integrated- solution. > > This is not really the case anymore. Exchange 2000 will store mail in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = $$$ > a SQL database if you tell it to, then you just back up the database. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ = $$$ > Don't get me wrong, I still think it sucks, but it's gotten better. Don't get me wrong either :-) most of Real Time's clients are looking for something inexpensive. Exchange 2000 + MS SQL Server (I assume) + client licenses = fairly expensive. Have you found a backup product that "cost effective" for backing up MS SQL? Does it do a hot or cold backup of the database? If the PDC dies and the customer does NOT have a BDC, does Exchange 2000 "screw you" because the SIDs on the new PDC will never match? Can I ramble more in 1 paragraph? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 4 11:23:08 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java-plugin with mozilla-1.0.0? In-Reply-To: ; from gsker@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 07:42:12PM -0500 References: <20020803144545.D19202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020804120157.B24192@real-time.com> Quoting Gerry (gsker@tcfreenet.org): > Bob, > You haven't by any chance changed your user-agent? > user_pref("general.useragent.override", etc. > ? > That'll break it. Nope. It's weird, if I put the plugin into the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 area, mozilla crashes. -BUT- if I put it into my personal ($HOME/.mozilla) area it works. I submitted a bug report. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dante at plethora.net Sun Aug 4 11:26:21 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] what makes *nix zealots In-Reply-To: <1110.129.191.33.203.1027538352.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 cbidler@innominatus.com wrote: > > > > Just a reminder: > > > > There are probably at least some people on this list for whom the > > technical quality of the solution is NOT the only determiner, as your > > post suggests. > > > > There are people who have deep ideological commitments to Free > > Software (Free as in Speech), that are not limited to trying to find > > one's boss the best widget. > > > > I am not going to comment on the rightness or wrongness of this, but if > > one wants to discuss this issue seriously, one should take into account > > all the factors. > > > > R > > So far as my original post in this thread (the long-winded rant) goes, I > would respond thus: > My project was theorizing a reason for the relatively higher > number of Unix/Linux "zealots" than Microsoft "zealots", taking as implied > the earlier poster's description of "zealotry" as dispeptic ranting > about how all the other team's product is unmitigated crap, especially when > using phrases such as Windoze, LookOut, Micro$oft, etc. > > If you draw a Venn diagram of > a) *nix "zealots", so defined; and > b) "people who have deep ideological commitments to Free Software" > I think you will find that I did group b) no disservice by leaving them > out of my analysis. > For which I'm sure many of them would thank you. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From list at slushpupie.com Sun Aug 4 12:44:49 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (list@slushpupie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen Message-ID: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Ok, I have been living with this problem for some time now, and want it fixed. I have an nVidia TNT2 AGP card, and I am using the official nVidia drivers for it. Once I go into X, I cant get back to a terminal again.. the screen is just black. I can type things and the system still responds, so I know it is the video. Can anyone give some hints to fix this? Jay -- Webmail provided for slushpupie.com users. See http://www.slushpupie.com/ for details. From dante at plethora.net Sun Aug 4 13:12:18 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] what makes *nix zealots In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A501A69441@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Ryan Ware wrote: > I agree, but what Linux/Unix products should one buy that > gives all the functionality that started this thread? There are > none that are open source. > My confusion has been somewhat cleared. ical, the original X11 calendar program, allows multiple users to share their calendars (since 1986 or thereabouts). However, since it works by using shared/non-shared files, you would have to setup a filesystem share to use ical or a compatible calendar software like Korganizer over a network. Trivial, but some people have trouble with this since it doesn't give them a "Calendar SERVER" to connect to. sendmail, qmail, smail, &c. give an e-mail server (MTA) for people to connect to. I guess exchange combines these functions and is way cool and integrated so people like it who haven't had access to the functionality for 15 years already. > > It /is/ Microsofts business model, tie as many things together > > with > > proprietary protocols/"standards" and you've just locked a company > > into > > windows by choosing *one* product. > > > > On the other hand, you can use a UNIX variant, and *gasp* they can > > all > > communicate, using standardized protocols, usually without any > > problem > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 4 13:40:19 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen In-Reply-To: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Message-ID: More clues necessary for help response. What font are you using at the console level? What is your console resolution? What do you get when you put vga=ask at the kernel boot prompt and then have it scan? What kernel version? What consoletools version? Are you using fb? Have you tried changing colors? Have you tried running any vgalib programs at the console? Gerry On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 list@slushpupie.com wrote: > Ok, I have been living with this problem for some time now, and want it > fixed. I have an nVidia TNT2 AGP card, and I am using the official nVidia > drivers for it. Once I go into X, I cant get back to a terminal again.. > the screen is just black. I can type things and the system still > responds, so I know it is the video. Can anyone give some hints to fix > this? > > Jay -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 4 13:51:47 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen In-Reply-To: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 list@slushpupie.com wrote: > drivers for it. Once I go into X, I cant get back to a terminal again.. > the screen is just black. I can type things and the system still > responds, so I know it is the video. Can anyone give some hints to fix > this? Never happened to me with my current nVidia, or my old TNT2. Two suggestions: 1) Use SVGATextMode to switch resolutions, might reset the screen for you. 2) You're using the latest drivers from nVidia, right? -Yaron -- From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sun Aug 4 14:12:42 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] serial port IR adapter In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 02:33:39PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020724170607.A7942@localhost.localdomain> A quick search on Ebay shows some IRDA add-ons, mostly USB, some serial. Heres one($20.00): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2041232359 You probably can't buy the parts for much less than this. Not sure if it has support under Linux, a few quick Googles showed some linux references. Most laptop/motherboard IRDA ports are preconfigured to just work, while the dongles require special initialization codes sent to them and proper RS232 handshake signals set to power them. Any serial-port dongle will just be SIR(slow infrared, up to 115200 bps). IRDA FIR is a different mode, typically at 4M bps, supported by some USB and built in IR ports. Google on "ronja" for a open 10Mbps 100 meter IRDA project that should keep you busy for the rest of the year :) I mentioned selling some home-made serial IR dongles previously, but I'm afraid I confused some people, the gadgets I make are for TV remote control, not for IRDA data transfers. They allow you to control your PC with a remote control or control your TV/VCR/stereo with your PC. The two use slightly different physical layers. You can sometimes do limited range TV remote control with IRDA SIR ports. See http://www.lirc.org, or my ugly web page at http://www.turbobit.com/lirc.html for more on TV remote control. I'm working on using a PC as a jukebox and a remote control as an interface to it. This sort of thing is gaining popularity with the new PC killer app "tv/video/recording..". And of coarse the 80G/$80 drives help :) Many of the new TV-tuner cards come with a remote control. Right now I have a cheap Win-TV tuner card($30-$40) that works good, I can record TV shows, do full screen TV, record from VCR tapes. I can't do TV out yet, keeping my eyes open for an inexpensive solution here. Maybe this sort of thing would make a good monthly meeting topic: multimedia stuff under Linux(linux is not just for networking geeks anymore!). Karl. On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 02:33:39PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have a link to a page with plans on how to build one of these? > I was going to buy one, but they cost a minimum of $50, plus, I need > something to build because I'm getting ansy and I might have to modify the > potato cannon if I don't find something else to keep me busy. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From davjohn at mn.rr.com Sun Aug 4 14:45:14 2002 From: davjohn at mn.rr.com (David Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen In-Reply-To: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> References: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <1028491319.5932.1.camel@me.carboxylman.com> I've had this problem with my nvidia ge4 ti. I'm running gentoo, and people in the forums have said that this problem revolves around what framebuffer you've chosen. Apparently, people have had luck with just enabling the VESA framebuffer, nothing else. You could give that a shot, maybe it'd work... I don't know myself, haven't tried it yet. david On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 16:21, list@slushpupie.com wrote: > Ok, I have been living with this problem for some time now, and want it > fixed. I have an nVidia TNT2 AGP card, and I am using the official nVidia > drivers for it. Once I go into X, I cant get back to a terminal again.. > the screen is just black. I can type things and the system still > responds, so I know it is the video. Can anyone give some hints to fix > this? > > Jay > > > -- > Webmail provided for slushpupie.com users. > See http://www.slushpupie.com/ for details. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 4 14:49:17 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Sys Admin Day In-Reply-To: <20020724192653.KRCX24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> References: <20020724192653.KRCX24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Message-ID: <20020804203142.GO28937@mtu.net> Wow a time warp! Is this mailman being slow or AT&T being slow? On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 07:26:52PM +0000, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > I am sure there are alot of Admins out there, Friday is > your day!!! > > http://www.sysadminday.com/ > > -- > Doug > doughanson@attbi.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 4 17:31:36 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Sys Admin Day In-Reply-To: <20020804203142.GO28937@mtu.net> References: <20020724192653.KRCX24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> <20020804203142.GO28937@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020804231658.GB5438@sistina.com> On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 03:31:43PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: >Wow a time warp! Is this mailman being slow or AT&T being slow? It's the LUG listserv, don't get this thread going again please. Just accept it and move on, there's nothing to see here folks. Just move along. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "I got a wife and kids too but you don't see me out here stealing Imperial Droids now do ya?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020804/9ca1bd6a/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Aug 4 20:27:04 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Qworst DSL and ANI (Caller-ID)? In-Reply-To: <20020724014403.X1270@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020723165813.S6760@real-time.com> <20020723195316.E2808@real-time.com> <1027488746.8844.4.camel@runabout> <20020724014403.X1270@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1027546961.2186.19.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 01:44, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > you can choose to ignore calls not specificly for you, as well as setting > a priority level (ie, kids cell phone is level 90, work is 50, you set > the level to 89 at night so that work can't wake you up =). Very cool :) My phone system acutally does replace numbers from caller id with the phonebook entry. :) yay for decent multi-phone wireless phone systems. (even if they do use 2.4ghz FH) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Aug 4 20:27:25 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] what makes *nix zealots In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A501A69441@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A501A69441@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <1027549151.2186.26.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 15:47, Ryan Ware wrote: > I agree, but what Linux/Unix products should one buy that > gives all the functionality that started this thread? There are > none that are open source. Ryan, Lotus Notes is a 'Unix' product. I think you need to learn to be a bit less confrontational to others on this list and instead of sitting around obviously wasting your time (since you know all about how great outlook is over others) and just STFU. Thanks! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Aug 4 20:29:19 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: using DHCP at the U. In-Reply-To: <20020724235546.A24682@real-time.com> References: <20020724142733.GA12353@isis.visi.com> <20020724235546.A24682@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1027598170.2186.31.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 23:55, Bob Tanner wrote: > Don't know what ADCS does, but NTS is a whank to work with. Actually, if your talking about the general 'helpline' its ADCS. Sometimes its NTS. Depending on your point of view you've might of worked with either. NTS usually isn't too bad. Depends on what you need, and who you talk to. (ie: don't call the ADCS helpline when you really should be talking to the NTS TAC, or nts@nts) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From seg at haxxed.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:55 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen References: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> <1028491319.5932.1.camel@me.carboxylman.com> Message-ID: <3D4DEAE5.3040304@haxxed.com> David Johnson wrote: > I've had this problem with my nvidia ge4 ti. I'm running gentoo, and > people in the forums have said that this problem revolves around what > framebuffer you've chosen. Apparently, people have had luck with just > enabling the VESA framebuffer, nothing else. You could give that a > shot, maybe it'd work... I don't know myself, haven't tried it yet. A year ago I tried using an nvidia fbcon and XFree with nvidia's drivers. ...It locked the machine hard soon as X started every time. If you're using any kind of fbcon, try it without. If you're using textmode, then its a bug. Complain to nvidia and perhaps try it with VESA fbcon or something. ;P From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Aug 4 23:26:12 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] twin cities wireless users group mtg. reminder (08/06/2002) Message-ID: <20020804234118.A12692@botwerks.org> just a reminder and open invitation to folks interested in wireless networking technology. the monthly meeting of the twin cities wireless users group is scheduled for this coming tuesday (august 6, 2002). the twin cities wireless users group is a place to learn about wireless networking technology, an opportunity to get your hands dirty with a fun community oriented project or just meet some of the locals who are doing fun things in the wireless area. all with an interest are welcome. if you can't make it but you are interested in the technology you may be interested in the mailing list. more information regarding the wireless users group mailing list can be found at the following url. http://www.tcwug.org/mailinglists/ topic ----- this month the floor is open for discussion regarding the construction of a community network and some of the challenges that will need to be addressed in the construction of such a network. *LOGISTICS* ----------- time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6:30PM CDT - august 6, 2002 location ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cisco systems - bloomington office international plaza 7900 international drive suite 400 bloomington, mn 55425 directions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- from the north -------------- * take 35w south * take 494 east to the 34th avenue exit, turn right * immediately veer right and take the next right at the light onto 80th street. * take the next immediate right onto international drive. from the south -------------- just like coming from the north except you take 35w north to 494. from the (east|west) -------------------- reaching 35w and following the above directions is left as an exercise for the reader/attendee. after you make it onto international drive ... * international plaza is the large blue glass building to your left. * you may park in the ramp and take the ramp elevators to level 1. proceed through the glass doors to your right and down the lobby foyer the main bank of elevators. take the elevator to level 4. note: you will need to sign in at the guard desk and indicate that you are there for the wireless users group meeting in the cisco office in suite 400. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sun Aug 4 23:27:00 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (karl bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow Message-ID: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> Sorry about interrupting you, Ben, during your kernel hacking session at the meeting. Isn't this illegal? Hacking the kernel in a public place? First he shows us this neat /dev/config.tgz patch, then shows off his T3 connection speed at the U and downloads 2.4.19 in .01 seconds, geez. Some people have all the fun. So after seeing this showmanship(kinda like a kid and a fast car) I shouted out that I can't get a 200 MB file from box A to box B ten feet away in less than 5 minutes. Thats with 100MB ethernet. Anyways, after making myself sound like a complete idiot, (and thankfully Ben diverted attention away from me) I went home bound and determined to figure out what was wrong. It turns out that one of my boxes is dropping ethernet packets, ifconfig showed them plain as the nose on my face. So the next question is "why was NFS so darn slow, yet a TCP throughput test showed good results?". Also scp could transfer files much faster. Turns out NFS uses UDP instead of TCP, and has a slow default retry timeout. Add to mount -otimeo=1 helped a lot. I really need to swap out the bad NIC card(8139too.o) as the proper fix. So why did they implement NFS using UDP? This just seems goofy to me. Theres an option to run NFS on TCP, but it's not the default. I was putting up with this for way too long, mostly because I reached my limit on hassles to contend with. "I don't want to debug this now, all I want to do is get this lousy video file from box A to box B ten feet away." So I used scp, although that seems stupid in the privacy of your own basement. but what else is there? ftp, http? Those seem stupid too. Rsync? That sounds good "BZZZZ" you lose, can't do rsync(without -e ssh, or setting up a rsync server) with a few stock RH boxes. To further punish myself, I figure I'd get rsync working. This meant getting rsh, rlogin working, which I've never setup. This sure was a pain, man pages for rcp, rlogin don't tell you how to set it up. My two books "redhat 6 unleashed" and "Unix complete" failed me miserably. Thank god for the internet where I found instructions on how to setup ~/.rhosts and /etc/hosts.equiv. And a few hours later, after figuring out the permissions on these config files had to be set just right, it was working! I just love how the man page for rlogin says: "Rlogin will be replaced by telnet in the near future". Who's the maintainer of rlogin, I want to complain about the doc, and ask for my money back. I'll try out this netcat thing soon, as it sounds like a hip tool. From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 5 06:44:26 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <1027548914.2186.21.camel@runabout> References: <200207241015.48251.cgahlon@citilink.com> <20020724110037.F26824@wookimus.net> <1027548914.2186.21.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <20020725141614.GB30628@sistina.com> On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 06:52:16AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >Year to a Year and a Half, Two years at most. Thats my guess until an >open source open-standards calendaring solution is out there. Mozilla >having a decent calendar and evolution are both real good reasons as why >this will happen eventually. People have wanted this for many many moons, but alas it's not come to pass. Don't hold your breath scott :-( -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020725141614.GB30628@sistina.com> References: <200207241015.48251.cgahlon@citilink.com> <20020724110037.F26824@wookimus.net> <1027548914.2186.21.camel@runabout> <20020725141614.GB30628@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020805075238.A13248@botwerks.org> for quite some time the gating factor preventing calendar application interoperability has been the lack of a calendar/scheduling protocols and a specification. this has come a long ways in the last year or so within the CALSCH WG[1]. the new apple iCal (to be available in the next release of OS X) and a handful of other mom and pop calendaring packages have been using this spec. as of late. it might be interesting to see if someone comes up with a standards based plug-in for outlook (or *gasp* if MS came out with support for it - i wouldn't hold my breath for this) which would enable the community to crack the server nut and allow folks to actually replace exchange with a suite of open protocols and servers. harass your favorite calendar software vendor for iCal support. as martha stuart would say - it's a good thing. when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Jul 25, 2002), Ben Lutgens was madly tapping out: > On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 06:52:16AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > > >Year to a Year and a Half, Two years at most. 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I think you said you had a simple 100Mb Ethernet switch, right? I'd make sure the cables are working right. Perhaps try connecting the two machines together with a crossover cable. You might also want to try changing the ports you're using on the switch. Some of them might be faulty. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ An ulcer is what you get / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ mountain climbing over \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) molehills. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay On Sunday 04 August 2002 2:11 pm, Gerry wrote: > More clues necessary for help response. > > What font are you using at the console level? What is your console > resolution? What do you get when you put vga=ask at the kernel boot prompt > and then have it scan? What kernel version? What consoletools version? > Are you using fb? > Have you tried changing colors? Have you tried running any vgalib programs > at the console? > > Gerry > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 list@slushpupie.com wrote: > > Ok, I have been living with this problem for some time now, and want it > > fixed. I have an nVidia TNT2 AGP card, and I am using the official nVidia > > drivers for it. Once I go into X, I cant get back to a terminal again.. > > the screen is just black. I can type things and the system still > > responds, so I know it is the video. Can anyone give some hints to fix > > this? > > > > Jay From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 08:54:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search In-Reply-To: <20020803221013.GA32333@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Scott Raun wrote: > OK, I _thought_ I'd seen reference to this before - and now I can't > find it. > > Anyone know of a device that's a modem on one side and a wireless > access point on the other? Thought I'd seen one, but now I can't find > it. > > I've got a friend who has one computer, a laptop, that DOESN'T want to > string wire all over the place. Doesn't have any high-speed access, > no desire to get it - just wants a way to connect to the phone lines > and dial in. Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya/whatever-the-heck-they-are-now RG-1000/RG-1100's do this just fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 5 09:31:43 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT (slightly): For your leeching pleasure (well, at least some of you) In-Reply-To: <20020802094149.F6812@lemongecko.org> References: <20020801215220.N20892@real-time.com> <1028296221.31429.33.camel@runabout> <20020802094149.F6812@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <1028556695.14829.11.camel@runabout> On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 08:41, Dan Drake wrote: > I should also thank the admins of debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu, which I also > use more than really necessary... The Debian Admin team, CSci Systems Staff, Network and Telecommunications Services all have their part in it. Our thanks goes out to the Debian Admin team for running the machine. [Ryan Murray comes to mind, offhand. But please don't bother him directly. debian-admin@d.o, please] NTS and ourselves just keep the environmental, network, and physical aspects going. We are now using QBSS (qbone scavenger service) on the border links and I'm wondering if anyone is noticing any bandwidth changes. QBSS mostly allows mirror servers to not clobber other 'primary mission' applications. We fall more under a 'secondary mission' than 'high bandwidth recreational', or as far as I know. [As usual, the statements above are not necessarily the views of the Regents of the University of Minnesota, the Office of Information Technology, or my employer.] Thanks. [/me notes that cable users end up using the service via the ATTBI/MN-UMN peering link. :) ] -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 5 09:36:33 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888302@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> rsync can use ssh, you don't need to set up rsh/rlogin. Plus, it's encrypted that way, and you can tell it to use compression for faster speeds (if you're already transferring compressed files, you won't see a speed increase). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: karl bongers [mailto:kbongers@infinetivity.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow > > > Sorry about interrupting you, Ben, during your kernel hacking > session at the meeting. Isn't this illegal? Hacking the > kernel in a public place? First he shows us this neat > /dev/config.tgz patch, then shows off his T3 connection speed > at the U and downloads 2.4.19 in .01 seconds, geez. Some > people have all the fun. > > So after seeing this showmanship(kinda like a kid > and a fast car) I shouted out that I can't get a 200 MB > file from box A to box B ten feet away in less than > 5 minutes. Thats with 100MB ethernet. > > Anyways, after making myself sound like a complete idiot, > (and thankfully Ben diverted attention away from me) > I went home bound and determined to figure out what was > wrong. > > It turns out that one of my boxes is dropping ethernet > packets, ifconfig showed them plain as the nose > on my face. > > So the next question is "why was NFS so darn slow, yet > a TCP throughput test showed good results?". Also scp > could transfer files much faster. > > Turns out NFS uses UDP instead of TCP, and has a > slow default retry timeout. Add to mount -otimeo=1 helped > a lot. I really need to swap out the bad NIC card(8139too.o) > as the proper fix. > > So why did they implement NFS using UDP? This just seems > goofy to me. Theres an option to run NFS on TCP, > but it's not the default. > > I was putting up with this for way too long, mostly because > I reached my limit on hassles to contend with. "I don't > want to debug this now, all I want to do is get this lousy > video file from box A to box B ten feet away." So I used scp, > although that seems stupid in the privacy of your own > basement. but what else is there? ftp, http? Those seem > stupid too. Rsync? That sounds good "BZZZZ" you lose, can't > do rsync(without -e ssh, or setting up a rsync > server) with a few stock RH boxes. > > To further punish myself, I figure I'd get rsync working. > This meant getting rsh, rlogin working, which I've never > setup. This sure was a pain, man pages for rcp, rlogin > don't tell you how to set it up. My two books "redhat 6 > unleashed" and "Unix complete" failed me miserably. Thank god > for the internet where I found instructions on how to setup > ~/.rhosts and /etc/hosts.equiv. And a few hours later, after > figuring out the permissions on these config files had to be > set just right, it was working! > > I just love how the man page for rlogin says: > "Rlogin will be replaced by telnet in the near future". > Who's the maintainer of rlogin, I want to complain about > the doc, and ask for my money back. > > I'll try out this netcat thing soon, as it sounds like > a hip tool. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 5 09:38:13 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how about QMail? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Not to draw this thread out anymore, but I moved away from qmail for a number of reasons. I ran a big mail cluster with it, handling about 4 to 5 million messages a day, sometimes double that. Qmail is a pain in the ass to maintain, and many options come in patches not with the program itself. You need to run it under daemontools, which sometimes gets confused and tries to start it when it's already running. It won't start a second copy, but it will fill your logs with error messages. When the queue gets above 27,000 messages, it gets *really* slow. I applied the big-todo patch, but it still wouldn't handle more than about 45,000 messages. You have to be careful with the big-todo patch because if you choose a prime that is very large, you end up with such a big directory structure that it really hurts your performance. I spent a lot of time tweaking qmail, and an obscene amount of time administering the cluster. Oh, and the logs qmail generates are garbage. Getting stats from them or searching for a message is like trying to squeeze blood from a rock. You need to find the line with the address you are looking for, and then take the message id and grep for that to find all related lines. When the log file is very large, the id's wrap, and you get lines from other messages. I switched to postfix, because in my tests I was able to get much higher performance out of it. Configuration changes can be done with the "postconf" command rather than editing a config file. This makes it great for a cluster setup because you can have a script that will execute your config changes across the cluster without having to go to every machine. Large queues are no problem for postfix, and it doesn't seem to be bound by the FD_SET limit in the kernel (which is not easily modified in linux). With qmail, under linux, you can have at max 509 qmail-smtp delivery processes going at once, this is because qmail-smtp is a child process of qmail-rspawn. qmail-rspawn holds onto the file decriptors for each message. It opens 2 descriptors for each message, and at 509 outgoing processes, you have 1018 file descriptors open, plus whatever else qmail-rspawn is holding onto just to run. Once you go above 1024, qmail will crash. This is not modifiable in /proc or with ulimit. This is compiled into the kernel and is a hard limit on how many file descriptors each process can have open at any one time. It's not a simple setting to just change and recompile. There was a patch for older 2.2 kernels to change this, but there is no patch I know of for the 2.4 kernels. Postfix isn't as greedy with file descriptors as qmail is, but you will eventually run into limits. I've moved to freebsd where you can change the limits at compile time using the -DFD_SETSIZE= option. Postfix runs great, even when there are 2048 delivery processes currently active. Also, qmail hits the disk roughly 3 times more than postfix does. Under heavy volume, most of your bottleneck is going to be disk IO, so if you have slow disk, or are doing REALLY high volume, Postfix is definitely going to help you. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how about QMail? > > > "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 11:08:50AM -0500, anID10T wrote: > > > any thoughts about Qmail? or better, Qmail and Red Hat 7.x ? > > > > DJB sucks! OK, not really. The author of Qmail had a set of goals > > that he feels he's met. As a CS professor, he knows what > he's doing, > > and for many people, qmail is a great server. It's the > licensing of > > qmail that makes many Free Software advocates jumpy. > Frankly, DJB's > > software is not Free, as in "free beer". This does not make it bad > > software, just not a favorite amongst those who are > "license jumpy". > > I would include myself in those numbers. I'd rather avoid > licensing > > issues, and therefore choose MTA software like postfix, exim, or > > sendmail. > > Dan Bernstein is is of course an UberGeek, with all the > rights and priveleges appertaining thereto :-). Luckily, he > rarely has anything to do with the qmail mailing list, and > the crew that *does* hang out there is extremely knowledgable > and helpful. > > Meanwhile, qmail is small, fast, and secure. Compare sizes, > in particular, the alternatives Chad offers. Even assuming > that Wietse, say, wrote as good code as Dan did (seems a > reasonable assumption), the smaller quantity and the clean > functional partitioning should give > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in > test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site > http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Book log: > http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 5 09:38:25 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing in Redhat Message-ID: <200207251013.27716.list@slushpupie.com> I am trying to set up a quick SSH-PPP-VPN link between 2 networks protected by firewalls. (I know, there are better and more secure ways of doing it, but this is the fastest and dosnt require any special software) Anyway, when I get the link established, I can not route packets through the link. The basic things to check (that I already did) are: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/config/ppp0/forward is set to 1 iptables has no filters, and all policies are set to ACCEPT The routes are set up correctly. I use the same set up scripts to connect to another machine (running Debian) and it works fine, so I assume this has to do with the RedHat box. Here are more complete details: Box A (RH 7.2) public ip: 1.2.3.4 private ip: 10.3.0.99 private net 10.3/24 ppp ip 192.168.69.1 Box B (RH 7.3) public ip: 4.3.2.1 private ip: 192.30.10.101 private net: 192.30.10/24 ppp ip: 192.168.69.2 Box B initiates the connection, and once the connection, both boxes can ping eachother's ppp ip. They can also ping the private IP of the other box, but not anything else on the network. When Box B uses the same scripts to connect to a Debian box, routing works fine from B to anywhere on the private net. So it must be some RedHat configuration. I can post the script I use to make the connection if anyone wants it. Any ideas? Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 5 09:54:57 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Ironically Exchanges Calendaring lacks a key feature that most larger > businesses are looking for. That being assett managment. > For example you > have a conferance room that you want users to be able to > schedule time for. > You either have to play with public folders or create a user > account for the > conferance room. Not true. You can add the conference room as a resource. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 5 10:05:45 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The U is using MAC addresses to verify that you can be on the network? That's silly. Don't they have some better method of authentication? Hrm... couldn't you plug in and sniff for ARP requests to get some MAC addresses and use ifconfig to change yours to someone elses who is already registered on the network? Then you could hop on the network without a registered card. :) Just a thought. > -----Original Message----- > From: BN [mailto:bneigebauer@attbi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. > > > Did you try the -h 'hostname' option? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On > Behalf Of Tim > Wilson > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:28 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. > > Hey fellow U. of MN folks, > > I registered the MAC address of my laptop a couple weeks ago > at the ADCS Web site, but I'm not getting DHCP to work in > Walter Library or anywhere else I've tried. > > Are there any known problems with Linux and DHCP at the U.? > The guy I spoke with on the ADCS helpline didn't know of any, > but you know how tech support can be sometimes. > > BTW, I'm running Gentoo and I believe the DHCP client is dhcpcd. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 5 10:13:34 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba as a PDC for WinXP clients References: <20020724213633.OAXH26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> <001e01c23370$3cd941a0$0101a8c0@cascade> <001301c23380$ed260ec0$0696c7c7@victim> <007b01c233de$e87d0960$3028680a@tgt.com> <20020725142627.GD30628@sistina.com> Message-ID: <00e901c233ef$46cbb1f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Another question. Did you managed to get the Recycle Bin to work? I have it set up as vfs object = /usr/local/lib/samba/recycle.so vfs options = recycle=.recycle in my smb.conf file. When I delete a file, it does move into the .recycle folder of my share, but I don't see the recycle bin icon "fill" on my XP box. Any idea how to get it to recognize the recycle bin on the share? Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Samba as a PDC for WinXP clients On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 08:26:35AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >I don't think it matters too much, as long as you add that same user to both >passwd and smbpasswd. I could be wrong but I think that user might need to be able to write to the dir where the MACHINE.SID is stored (unless samba just writes it as root) From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Mon Aug 5 10:26:34 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thursday 25 July 2002 10:19 am, you wrote: > The U is using MAC addresses to verify that you can be on the network? > That's silly. Don't they have some better method of authentication? I would guess they're doing it so they can give you the right address to match their DNS tables. - Jared From rwh at umn.edu Mon Aug 5 10:34:27 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Search References: <20020803221013.GA32333@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <3D4EA631.3030207@umn.edu> I have the SMC 7004 VWBR access point which will take an external modem. Its works, but wasn't very convenient because an XP box on my network was chatty enough that it always kept the link from going down so I'd have to log into the admin screen to bring the connection up/down . Also, for some reason I rarely got better than 3.5Kbps out of the connection. I ended up moving the modem over to my linux server which got the throughput up to the 5Kbps range. I still have to manually initiate the connection, but kppp is nicer to use than the SMC admin screen. It also lets me choose between using my Visi and U of M accounts while the SMC had to be locked to a single dial-up number and account. But if your friend only has a single machine he should be fine, and if that machine is running linux, he should be able to use the demand dialing feature on the ap to automatically bring up the link to the isp. --rick Scott Raun wrote: >OK, I _thought_ I'd seen reference to this before - and now I can't >find it. > >Anyone know of a device that's a modem on one side and a wireless >access point on the other? Thought I'd seen one, but now I can't find >it. > >I've got a friend who has one computer, a laptop, that DOESN'T want to >string wire all over the place. Doesn't have any high-speed access, >no desire to get it - just wants a way to connect to the phone lines >and dial in. > >Suggestions? > > > From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Aug 5 11:04:04 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888302@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:50:25AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888302@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020805115032.A997@localhost.localdomain> I use rsync -e ssh between work and home to sync my muttmail. What I'm trying to do is push really large files around quickly, video files to burn to cdrom(VideoCD format). Its a bummer to have to wait minutes for the files to transfer when you know you should be able to approach 10MBytes/sec speed on 100MB ethernet. So compression and encryption are undesirable. I just got rsync server stuff figured out: man rsyncd.conf /etc/rsyncd.conf: [my_tmp] path=/tmp The notation on the client side changes and is a bit tricky: rsync file.tmp rbox::my_tmp/file.tmp Notice the two ':' and the my_tmp "module" name. Much easier to setup than rcp and rlogin :) Mike: I think its the NIC card, I upgraded to 2.4.18 to pull in new 8139too.o NIC module, and it complains about too much interrupt activity to handle. I'll try a loopover cable, or swap out the NIC card till it works. On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:50:25AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > rsync can use ssh, you don't need to set up rsh/rlogin. Plus, it's > encrypted that way, and you can tell it to use compression for faster speeds > (if you're already transferring compressed files, you won't see a speed > increase). From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Mon Aug 5 11:04:47 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Direct Rendering and RedHat 7.2/7.3 Message-ID: <1027612760.4053.36.camel@yafa> I had spent about 6 months trying to get Direct Rendering working for my voodoo3 (RH 7.2 and RH 7.3) without any luck. Searching the web, messages to the Mailing List , install fests and IRC sessions did not come up with solutions. Well today in #redhat on irc.openprojects.net I had a chat with a lad called mharris who mentioned that the i386 kernels do not come with DRM. Problem: "I can't get DRM to work with my vanilla RH 7.2/7.3 install" Solution: Make sure you are not using the i386 kernels. (2.4.18-3 and 2.4.18-5 for RH 7.3) Get the i586 kernel (kernel-2.4.18-5.i586.rpm) from: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/redhat/7.3/i586/RPMS.updates/ And install it. Presto. Direct Rendering works. Notes: 1- kernel-2.4.18-5.i586.rpm does not come with the install. It is an update. You might not get this with up2date, and have to install the kernel yourself. 2- RH 7.3 does come with support for voodoo3's and direct rendering enabled by default. With the right kernel. I hope that others will be able to make use of this. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 11:19:45 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Salespeople, Administrators, and Users (was: *nix zealots) In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 04:49:03PM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A501A69441@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20020805121054.R1329@real-time.com> from the thread about *nix zealotry: On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 04:49:03PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I guess exchange combines these functions and is way cool and integrated > so people like it who haven't had access to the functionality for 15 > years already. this reminds me of something that occured to me at the TCLUG meeting, and I think should be aired out. (even tho the flames may get a bit warm again). at the meeting, the estimable Mr. Ulrich (who is a fine and generous fellow and generally Has a Clue, even if I don't always agree with his conclusions) made a comment to the effect that "if the end user belives they need something, then they need it". To which I half-jokingly made the comment that "as an administrator, my job is to make my job easier, end users be damned". I should like to qualify my comments, lest I be thought a lazy, unprofessional weenie, and have all other Linux users dragged down with me. ;) Us administrators do have an obligtion to make the end-users more productive. This benefits us, since the usual way to make users more productive, is to make their tools more reliable and usable; when tools are reliable, users don't bug you as often because something is broken, and you can go do more productive things. ;) This is why I say "my job is to make my job easier". :) the thought that "the end user is always right" is emblematic of a salesperson mindset. the salesperson is always looking for ways to sell something; so they try to appeal to the end user in the simplest and most readily-understandable way possible. the administrators who have to deal with the stuff that the salespersons sold the end-users, know that end-users often *aren't right* because they don't have enough experience to know what's good, what's bad, and what else is available. (on the other hand, they know their job better than the administrator does, so they have a better grasp of what problems they need to solve). There are also problems with the way geeks/admins (if I may lump the two together for a moment) communicate, versus the way salespeople communicate. Salesdroid says to the end-user "here is a solution for this specific problem". -- salesperson is speaking the user's language (i.e. giving them a simple solution to a percieved problem, and not requiring them to think about it). Geek/admin says to the end-user "here's some tools that you can put together in lots of cool ways to solve lots of problems". -- geek is speaking geek's language (i.e. giving them many solutions to many problems, but requiring them to think about it and learn). one could substitute "Windows admin" and "UNIX admin" for "Salesdroid" and "Geek/admin" respectively, and I think the analogy would generally hold true. at this point, I should probably state a solution; rather than just griping about a problem. However, since I don't have one, maybe someone else out there *will* have some good suggestions that we can listen to. :) Carl Sodersrtom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Aug 5 11:25:12 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how about QMail? In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:06:27PM -0500 References: <003201c2332c$67223d70$d60a0a0a@fqb0g01> <20020724114645.I26824@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020725105539.C21504@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:06:27PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Dan Bernstein is is of course an UberGeek Yes he is. ;-) > Meanwhile, qmail is small, fast, and secure. Compare sizes, in > particular, the alternatives Chad offers. Even assuming that > Wietse, say, wrote as good code as Dan did (seems a reasonable > assumption), the smaller quantity and the clean functional > partitioning should give ... I think we missed the rest of your message. Regardless, it would be nice to see a non-biased, objective comparison of the available alternatives. Included in the comparison should be size, architectural differences, security features, advantages, disadvantages, configurability, customizability, volume capacity, memory profiles, system load, etc. I know of at least one large-volume installation that uses postfix: Vector Internet Services. We are fairly low volume at the IMA, so postfix may be a bit of an overkill, but it scales well for any size installation. Obviously, it is my MTA of choice. I know of many others that still use sendmail religiously (i.e. Real Time, the U of MN, etc.). I believe you can purchase a commercial version of Sendmail with a really cool GUI to configure it plus the support/help line. I only know of a few qmail installations, but I remember when it was first started catching on in popularity years ago. Many of my friends that did use have since switched to exim or postfix. Exim has gained in popularity, since it became the default MTA for Debian (also small, secure, and easy to configure). I believe it is Idiot Ben's MTA of choice. In any case, you wouldn't go wrong to install any of the ones mentioned in this thread. Each one brings to the table it's own quirks and concerns. Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From amy at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 12:07:32 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020802163615.C18038@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 04:36:15PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com> <20020802153002.Q1127@real-time.com> <20020802163615.C18038@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020805123153.J1134@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 04:36:15PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > chkconfig installs the /etc/init.d, try installing that via rpm, could just rpm > --justdb it, so the files don't really get install. chkconfig IS installed: # rpm -q chkconfig chkconfig-1.0.7-2 Apparently, the rpm database just doesn't think chkconfig installed the /etc/init.d files > Are you trying to upgrade the 7.0 box to 7.3? No. Just want to get apt working. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020805/66d96699/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Aug 5 12:12:18 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Direct Rendering and RedHat 7.2/7.3 In-Reply-To: Your message of "25 Jul 2002 10:59:19 CDT." <1027612760.4053.36.camel@yafa> References: <1027612760.4053.36.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020805174019.EBEFC18062@wookimus.net> In message <1027612760.4053.36.camel@yafa>, "Samir M. Nassar" writes: > I had spent about 6 months trying to get Direct Rendering working for > my voodoo3 (RH 7.2 and RH 7.3) without any luck ... > Solution: Make sure you are not using the i386 kernels. (2.4.18-3 and > 2.4.18-5 for RH 7.3) Get the i586 kernel (kernel-2.4.18-5.i586.rpm) This actually impacts more than just DRM. There are many more features to the newer motherboards and processors that get ignored by a kernel compiled for the 386. A co-worker of mine ran memtest on a PIV 800MHz and compared it against a newly installed Athlon XP +22k. The PIV kicked the Athlon's butt in overall memory bandwidth (rw/etc.). Why? The Athlon was running a 386 kernel and the PIV was running a 686 kernel. This is a very simple example w/o any specifics, but I'm sure if you were more scientific about it, you would see similar results. The conclusion we've made is that whenever possible, run an optimized kernel. Optimizing the software may not be as important in a general, every-day use, but when doing something highly mathematical, optimization couldn't hurt. Optimizing the kernel, however, will bring you the BULK of the performance enhancements that faster processors provide you. Run the 386 kernel, and it's like trying to run with a sprinter's parachute tied behind you. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 12:13:25 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com>; from kbongers@infinetivity.com on Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 11:43:45PM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <20020805124235.A18517@real-time.com> > So after seeing this showmanship(kinda like a kid > and a fast car) I shouted out that I can't get a 200 MB > file from box A to box B ten feet away in less than > 5 minutes. Thats with 100MB ethernet. > > Anyways, after making myself sound like a complete idiot, > (and thankfully Ben diverted attention away from me) no, you didn't sound like an idiot. :) sorry I broke off the conversation with you in the middle of trying to solve your problem... I really did mean to get back to you, but wanted to listen to the point that Ben was making at the moment (since he'd made some progress with building the kernel). > So why did they implement NFS using UDP? This just seems > goofy to me. Theres an option to run NFS on TCP, > but it's not the default. NFS was originally designed to run over slow, possibly high-latency, unreliable links (i.e. the Internet). As such, it may have seemed more sensible to to transmission control at the application level, rather than the transport level. (the application knows what it's doing, and what situation it's in, better than the generalized transport layer does). > I'll try out this netcat thing soon, as it sounds like > a hip tool. it's really simple, and really versatile. the man page pretty much explains it all. ('man nc'). there are other, related projects like cryptcat (an encrypted netcat); and one called firehose, which lets you trunk multiple connections together easily. (so you can aggregate a GigE link, a 100MBps link, and a PPP link together; at least in theory). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From devel_support at crlc.net Mon Aug 5 12:13:38 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making ISOs from a directory structure Message-ID: <00de01c23bdf$b414e810$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Can someone direct me to docs or a starting point on how to create an ISO image from a directory structure. Thanks, Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Aug 5 12:29:54 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making ISOs from a directory structure In-Reply-To: <00de01c23bdf$b414e810$1025a8c0@crlc.net> References: <00de01c23bdf$b414e810$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20020805181241.GA23485@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 12:52:30PM -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > Can someone direct me to docs or a starting point on how to create an ISO > image from a directory structure. "man mkisofs", or see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Aug 5 12:32:06 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how about QMail? In-Reply-To: <20020725105539.C21504@wookimus.net> References: <003201c2332c$67223d70$d60a0a0a@fqb0g01> <20020724114645.I26824@wookimus.net> <20020725105539.C21504@wookimus.net> Message-ID: "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:06:27PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Dan Bernstein is is of course an UberGeek > > Yes he is. ;-) > > > Meanwhile, qmail is small, fast, and secure. Compare sizes, in > > particular, the alternatives Chad offers. Even assuming that > > Wietse, say, wrote as good code as Dan did (seems a reasonable > > assumption), the smaller quantity and the clean functional > > partitioning should give > > ... I think we missed the rest of your message. Regardless, it would > be nice to see a non-biased, objective comparison of the available > alternatives. Included in the comparison should be size, > architectural differences, security features, advantages, > disadvantages, configurability, customizability, volume capacity, > memory profiles, system load, etc. Unfortunately I'm not going to be the one to present that desirable table; I switched to qmail before postfix or (I think) exim existed, and haven't found any reason to switch away yet, so I only know qmail of the ones on the list. Oh, and I think Dan isn't exactly *ignoring* qmail, he's instead working on his new total replacement for the Internet email infrastructure (http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From devel_support at crlc.net Mon Aug 5 12:50:28 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making ISOs from a directory structure References: <00de01c23bdf$b414e810$1025a8c0@crlc.net> <20020805181241.GA23485@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <010001c23be6$8ef0ae50$1025a8c0@crlc.net> ;) I, knew that! I guess I need a vacation!!! Thanks, all that I had in my mind was dd and I didn't like it the last time I tried to use it. Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Trammell" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Making ISOs from a directory structure > On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 12:52:30PM -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > > Can someone direct me to docs or a starting point on how to create an ISO > > image from a directory structure. > > "man mkisofs", or see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Aug 5 14:05:51 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Salespeople, Administrators, and Users (was: *nix zealots) In-Reply-To: <20020805121054.R1329@real-time.com> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A501A69441@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20020805121054.R1329@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020805195328.GC80876@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Aug 05, 2002), Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom was madly tapping out: > from the thread about *nix zealotry: > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 04:49:03PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > I guess exchange combines these functions and is way cool and > > integrated so people like it who haven't had access to the > > functionality for 15 years already. > > this reminds me of something that occured to me at the TCLUG > meeting, and I think should be aired out. (even tho the flames may > get a bit warm again). > > at the meeting, the estimable Mr. Ulrich (who is a fine and generous > fellow and generally Has a Clue, even if I don't always agree with > his conclusions) made a comment to the effect that "if the end user > belives they need something, then they need it". To which I > half-jokingly made the comment that "as an administrator, my job is > to make my job easier, end users be damned". > if i mught put a little clarification behind my words uttered at the meeting (thanks for the kind words btw - i don't expect everyone to agree w/my conclusions.) if users believe that having a certain bit of functionality will make their lives easier and they're in touch with their jobs and understand the value of a particular tool then far be it from a sysadmin to stand in the way of their having a necessary tool. from where i've sat it's the responsibility of the sysadmin to provide services to users and support them. that said - when a user goes down a particular path that is fraught with problems, they (the system administrator) need to come up with workarounds for the problems and alternative solutions. i don't think anyone questions the value associated with email, and an address book and we have good analogues for this functionality within the open source community via mailservers and ldap servers, etc.. one need not run exchange in order to have this functionality within outlook. (i'm taking the stance that outlook, while evil as a viral petri dish isn't the real evil at issue - that being exchange) the real missing component is shared calendar and scheduling functionality - someone poo-poo'd this functionality saying that people "think" they need this functionality. well, i'm an end user that really needs this functionality. i'm on the road an awful lot of the time working with customers and going to conferences, if people want to schedule me for a conference call or a meeting they need to have access to my schedule. we have a tolerable solution for this at work that works on a variety of platforms. i hate outlook/exchange w/a passion but i'd give my proverbial left one fror a decent meeting maker replacement. > I should like to qualify my comments, lest I be thought a lazy, > unprofessional weenie, and have all other Linux users dragged down > with me. ;) > > Us administrators do have an obligtion to make the end-users more > productive. This benefits us, since the usual way to make users more > productive, is to make their tools more reliable and usable; when > tools are reliable, users don't bug you as often because something > is broken, and you can go do more productive things. ;) > > This is why I say "my job is to make my job easier". :) i don't think anyone would argue that a sysadmins job is to make their job easier. that to me, is the definition of a sysadmin. but when the day is done - a system administrator has to have things in place to insure that while the customer (end user) may be shooting themselves in the foot, the bullet is reliably delivered. sometimes that means additional pain for ourselves. > the thought that "the end user is always right" is emblematic of a > salesperson mindset. the salesperson is always looking for ways to > sell something; so they try to appeal to the end user in the > simplest and most readily-understandable way possible. > > the administrators who have to deal with the stuff that the > salespersons sold the end-users, know that end-users often *aren't > right* because they don't have enough experience to know what's > good, what's bad, and what else is available. (on the other hand, > they know their job better than the administrator does, so they have > a better grasp of what problems they need to solve). i think we're in harmony here. > > There are also problems with the way geeks/admins (if I may lump the > two together for a moment) communicate, versus the way salespeople > communicate. > > Salesdroid says to the end-user "here is a solution for this > specific problem". -- salesperson is speaking the user's language > (i.e. giving them a simple solution to a percieved problem, and not > requiring them to think about it). > > Geek/admin says to the end-user "here's some tools that you can put > together in lots of cool ways to solve lots of problems". -- geek is > speaking geek's language (i.e. giving them many solutions to many > problems, but requiring them to think about it and learn). > > one could substitute "Windows admin" and "UNIX admin" for > "Salesdroid" and "Geek/admin" respectively, and I think the analogy > would generally hold true. > > at this point, I should probably state a solution; rather than just > griping about a problem. However, since I don't have one, maybe > someone else out there *will* have some good suggestions that we can > listen to. :) > { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From amy at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 14:07:41 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt problems on RH 7.0 box In-Reply-To: <20020805123153.J1134@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:31:53PM -0500 References: <20020802093853.E1127@real-time.com> <20020802135257.N1127@real-time.com> <20020802150237.E8073@real-time.com> <20020802153002.Q1127@real-time.com> <20020802163615.C18038@real-time.com> <20020805123153.J1134@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020805145734.M1134@real-time.com> On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:31:53PM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 04:36:15PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > > chkconfig installs the /etc/init.d, try installing that via rpm, could just rpm > > --justdb it, so the files don't really get install. > > chkconfig IS installed: > # rpm -q chkconfig > chkconfig-1.0.7-2 > > Apparently, the rpm database just doesn't think chkconfig installed the > /etc/init.d files I upgraded chkconfig manually and now apt is happy again. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020805/dc2ad170/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 5 16:02:36 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! References: Message-ID: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> Enough with this deragatory name calling. Microsoft created a superior product with Outlook and Exchange. Nobody has come close with an alternative or an opensource variant. Calling something superior [by inference] and than slamming it with a derogatory name like Outhouse just makes you looks like a name calling, finger pointing school child. Sorry for the flame, but I am sick of everyone slamming Microsoft just to slam them [as the thing to do]. Microsoft does make good products. If you have a problem with something about Microsoft, fine, but in this case, you obviously want Outlook/Exchange functionality and only Microsoft has been able to offer what you want so far. So relax and write some code. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > I have been looking for a "good" replacement for exchange and there isn't > > one. > > This really bothers me. Awhile back, all the geeks I knew were yelling > about how there's no Exchange alternative (it came up frequently here, > too). Ximian had a statement on their website about how there was > "no interest" in making an Exchange replacement. I see now that they > have Ximian Connector, which is a true Outhouse replacement as it does all > the Exchange stuff just fine. > > I think Evolution rocks, I just have 2 complaints. A) they don't have a > windows port B) they don't have an exchange server replacement. If they > can get connected to an exchange server, why can't they go the other way > and get Outhouse to connect to an Evolution server? People use Outhouse > because in terms of features, it is the best free e-mail client for > Windows. Eudora is bulky and to get the good functionality you have to > shell out $$ for the pro version. Evolution does everything that Outhouse > users want, without all the bugs and security problems. Why can't it be > ported to Windows? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Aug 5 16:57:51 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 25 July 2002 12:22 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Enough with this deragatory name calling. As opposed to pleasant name calling? > Microsoft created a > superior product with Outlook and Exchange. Yes and no. Outlook and Exchange have capabilities that I've not seen in an open source variant; they also have vulnerabilities and limitations that I've seen to be absent from many open source applications. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9Tvpzy9b1AU6SGNkRAtF7AJ9D+kfrJNRnxxSrI5D8PmmXKPVH7gCfWHCj +UhHcquDnvnXWUPH7dBFdfk= =ajMi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Aug 5 17:36:17 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <1028589228.3d4f06ac851a1@webmail.andersonfam.org> Has Lotus Domino/Notes been mentioned in this discussion? As far as I've seen, the functionality is almost identical to Exchange/Outlook. -Erik Anderson Quoting Joel Rosenberg : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 25 July 2002 12:22 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Enough with this deragatory name calling. > > As opposed to pleasant name calling? > > > Microsoft created a > > superior product with Outlook and Exchange. > > Yes and no. Outlook and Exchange have capabilities that I've not seen > in an open source variant; they also have vulnerabilities and > limitations that I've seen to be absent from many open source > applications. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9Tvpzy9b1AU6SGNkRAtF7AJ9D+kfrJNRnxxSrI5D8PmmXKPVH7gCfWHCj > +UhHcquDnvnXWUPH7dBFdfk= > =ajMi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org From cbidler at innominatus.com Mon Aug 5 17:36:59 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (cbidler@innominatus.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Build tools/qa tools In-Reply-To: <20020725162145.18488E5B3@xprdmailfe28.nwk.excite.com> References: <20020725162145.18488E5B3@xprdmailfe28.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <1110.129.191.33.203.1027618820.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> > I am in the process of setting up some QA tools for a small company > (10-15 developers). > > I have already installed CVS on a redhat box. > > I wanted to ask for list input on a couple of things: > 1. Has anyone used Bugzilla for external (client) bug tracking? Or > just Bugzilla in general? If so, how well does it work for you, and do > you have any problems with it? I used Bugzilla to track bugs with a rather extensive reworking of the Mozilla UI for a project back in the bad old days (Milestone 14 - M18, for those in the audience who dealt with Mozilla before it was "ready for prime time"). IIRC, Bugzilla was relatively nice to work with. We had set up our own CGI scripts to walk QA testers through manual test cases, which then took the 'failure' results and pushed them into Bugzilla. The Bugzilla interface and bug database strucutre itself is really easy to set up/tweak, even to "skin", since it's all CGI and MySQL. I didn't really have too much to do with the day-to-day management/triage of the incoming bugs, but I'm sure that you could have all client-input bugs stuck into a 'Waiting for Verification' category with relatively little tweaking of the UI. We didn't have to do this, since all ourincoming bugs were being put there by either a script, or the QA lead herself, but the creation of new categories, severities, etc. through the CGI UI was a snap. -- Chris Johnson Bidler From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Aug 5 19:28:55 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020806010146.GA85182@botwerks.org> just to pour acetone on the raging debate ... i thought that this article regarding the applications in question was interesting. it came across desk the other day. http://www.networkmagazine.com/article/NMG20020701S0007 when last we saw our hero (Monday, Aug 05, 2002), Joel Rosenberg was madly tapping out: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 25 July 2002 12:22 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Enough with this deragatory name calling. > > As opposed to pleasant name calling? > > > Microsoft created a > > superior product with Outlook and Exchange. > > Yes and no. Outlook and Exchange have capabilities that I've not seen > in an open source variant; they also have vulnerabilities and > limitations that I've seen to be absent from many open source > applications. > > { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 5 19:29:20 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <1028589228.3d4f06ac851a1@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <010f01c233ff$e0d2bea0$3028680a@tgt.com> <200208051721.39292.joelr@ellegon.com> <1028589228.3d4f06ac851a1@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1028595740.18518.27.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 18:13, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > Has Lotus Domino/Notes been mentioned in this discussion? As far as I've seen, > the functionality is almost identical to Exchange/Outlook. > -Erik Anderson In my opinion, it's just trading one slow, bloated, and buggy environment for another. In fact, I bet Notes is worse. At least Microsoft has a habit of botching moderately well-known protocols (something that is easier to reverse-engineer), rather than doing something of their own. It's probably harder to integrate Linux systems into Notes environments than Linux into Exchange systems. Notes has a very inconsistent interface -- you really need to be trained in order to use it very well. It's a big document-centric scripting `groupware' environment. E-mail is just one of the things it does, but it does it really badly. The technology is interesting, but it's implemented poorly. I've ranted about some of the deficiencies before, so I won't list them again... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Black holes really suck... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020805/30268f8e/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 5 19:29:40 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1028596003.18518.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 10:19, Austad, Jay wrote: > The U is using MAC addresses to verify that you can be on the network? > That's silly. Don't they have some better method of authentication? I'd love to hear something that would work better with simple 802.11b hardware and easily installed software on Win9x/NT/etc, MacOS 8/9/X, and Linux/*BSD/Unix. Really, I would. I'm not trying to be an ass. > Hrm... couldn't you plug in and sniff for ARP requests to get some MAC > addresses and use ifconfig to change yours to someone elses who is already > registered on the network? Then you could hop on the network without a > registered card. :) Just a thought. You probably need to have a card that can sniff the aether without being associated with an AP (some of the APs use RADIUS authentication on your MAC address to see if you can associate). I don't play with that stuff enough to know if that's common or not. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why are there 5 syllables / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ in the word `monosyllabic'? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Real-Time offers MySQL service as an option; tho you'd have to talk to Dennis (our salesdroid) about prices. give a call to 952-943-8700, or write sales@real-time.com Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Aug 5 19:46:09 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using DHCP at the U. In-Reply-To: <1028596003.18518.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0088881D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <1028596003.18518.32.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020805203243.A13712@botwerks.org> what about pppoe? clients ship for mac os, windows foo, linux, *BSD. the session terminates on an access concentrator and away you go. or ... what about using IPSec to force the users to register to a IPSec concentrator and only routing traffic through the access concentrator. this is a well known issue that's been addressed with any number of scalable solutions available on the market today. when last we saw our hero (Monday, Aug 05, 2002), Mike Hicks was madly tapping out: > On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 10:19, Austad, Jay wrote: > > The U is using MAC addresses to verify that you can be on the > > network? That's silly. Don't they have some better method of > > authentication? > > I'd love to hear something that would work better with simple > 802.11b hardware and easily installed software on Win9x/NT/etc, > MacOS 8/9/X, and Linux/*BSD/Unix. Really, I would. I'm not trying > to be an ass. > > > Hrm... couldn't you plug in and sniff for ARP requests to get > > some MAC addresses and use ifconfig to change yours to someone > > elses who is already registered on the network? Then you could > > hop on the network without a registered card. :) Just a thought. > > You probably need to have a card that can sniff the aether without > being associated with an AP (some of the APs use RADIUS > authentication on your MAC address to see if you can associate). I > don't play with that stuff enough to know if that's common or not. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[last message pimping our services, I'll stop now] As usual, I want to emphasise that we do it as a service to everyone in the area. umn.dl.sf.net/mirrors saens.debian.org ftp.software.umn.edu are both brought to you by parties including: UMN: Network and Telecommunications services, ADCS, CSci sf.net box: Sourceforge.net Debian machine: saens.debian.org Please do send your appreciation to the sf.net and debian groups as well, they really did provide the hardware to make it possible and the hours of administration time that both groups put into the sf.net and debian machines. ftp.software is ADCS ran and I believe they poured their own money into it. I'm not familiar with how its administrated, but its a useful service for ISO's sometimes to myself, at least. I hate to say that the two best ISP's to get to these resources from are both non-helpful to linux users. Both goldengate and AT&T have local peering links to UMN. I really wish the situation could be better, but its not. And its not really under my control... :| Thanks. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 5 21:05:05 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: nVidia and Blank Screen In-Reply-To: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> References: <8187.66.188.165.122.1027545711.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <1028585870.15426.23.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 16:21, list@slushpupie.com wrote: > Ok, I have been living with this problem for some time now, and want it > fixed. I have an nVidia TNT2 AGP card, and I am using the official nVidia Which kernel version are you using? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 5 21:05:16 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ATT is modifying some of my traffic In-Reply-To: <20020722120939.A2808@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008887F95@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20020722120939.A2808@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1028585266.15426.19.camel@runabout> On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 12:09, Bob Tanner wrote: > Come to the next TCWUG meeting and hear Mike Horwath (from Visi) explain why > this isn't possible from a business prespective. This is most likely worth the discussion value alone. (Or heckling value, depending.) I'll be there if at all possible. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 5 21:06:10 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how about QMail? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00725734E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Regardless, it would > > be nice to see a non-biased, objective comparison of the available > > alternatives. Included in the comparison should be size, > > architectural differences, security features, advantages, > > disadvantages, configurability, customizability, volume capacity, > > memory profiles, system load, etc. Well, I've used both qmail and postfix in a large mail clustering environment, and I'm still using both of them because I did something stupid and added a patch to qmail for functionality not present in postfix, and now the people using the clusters have gotten used to it, so I have to find a suitable workaround to move fully over to postfix. As far as size goes of each system goes, they are probably about the same. Qmail has a whole bunch of config files for different functionality, and postfix only has one main one (main.cf) that you really have to worry about. Qmail runs as a bunch of different users, but all of the processes can still talk to each other. It's probably better from a security standpoint, but postfix runs as non-root also, and you can chroot it if you desire. Both have a process that manages the queue and calls other programs to handle the outgoing mail, and also talks with the smtpd daemon for incoming mail. As far as configurability goes, postfix wins hands down. Like I said before, qmail has config files all over the place, and also requires daemontools to run, which has never worked flawlessly for me. Daemontools adds a little extra setup time to the mix also. Postfix stores all of it's config options in main.cf. You can edit this file by hand, or use the postconf command (postconf -e "option = "), and then do a "postfix reload" to make them take effect. Very simple, and great for scripting changes across the cluster. Customizability is a toss up. It could be argued that qmail is more customizable because of the enormous amount of patches available for it, but most of these are for functionality that postfix already has. For the most part, you can just enable certain functionality in the config for postfix, qmail will require a patch to the source and a recompile. Most of the time the patches go fine, but if you've done some other patches already, they sometimes don't apply nicely and you either have to do them by hand, or reapply them in a different order. I haven't had to modify postfix at all because it already has all of the functionality I need. System load with postfix is much lower than with qmail. I read a review awhile back which determined that postfix's disk i/o is 1/3 that of qmail. I've seen considerably less disk i/o with postfix on my boxes, and I think this contributes a lot to the reduced load on the system. My qmail boxes choked when they got over 23,000 messages in the queue. I applied the big-todo patch which fixes this to some degree, but they still choked around 45,000 queued messages. There's a tradeoff here with performance too, because with the big-todo patch, it will create a larger directory tree for the queue, which seems to hinder performance. Postfix keeps chugging even with nearly 100,000 messages in the queue. Postfix also supports ESMTP pipelining, which qmail does not. This means that it will open a single connection and send multiple messages destined for that MX over that one connection. It can reduce your overall bandwidth usage by up to 20% because the SMTP setup has a lot of overhead. Qmail only sends one message for a connection, so if it has 1000 messages to send to an MX, it will setup a connection, send a message, disconnect, and do it 999 more times. Postfix will also make parallel connections to speed up delivery, and it will scale back connections if it detects the remote server getting slow. Overall, I see much better performance with postfix, and it's much easier to administer. When I started using qmail 2 years ago, it performed much better so that's why I went with it. But the newer versions of postfix are faster. Qmail hasn't been updated since 1999 and it shows. Jay From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Aug 5 22:34:35 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest == fscktards Message-ID: <20020806041455.GA28242@mail.el-swifto.com> I call in a trouble ticket about my DSL. They fix the DSL, fine. But now I get no dial tone. Qwest is just a failed experiment. Their buildings should be torn down, and the lots sown with salt. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 5 22:40:11 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Build tools/qa tools In-Reply-To: <20020725162145.18488E5B3@xprdmailfe28.nwk.excite.com>; from bfriedman@excite.com on Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 12:21:45PM -0400 References: <20020725162145.18488E5B3@xprdmailfe28.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <20020725161430.A12671@real-time.com> Quoting bfriedman@excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com): > > I am in the process of setting up some QA tools for a small company > (10-15 developers). > I have already installed CVS on a redhat box. > I wanted to ask for list input on a couple of things: > 1. Has anyone used Bugzilla for external (client) bug tracking? Or > just Bugzilla in general? If so, how well does it work for you, and do > you have any problems with it? Use it both internal and externally. Works great. No problems with it at all. > 2. I have previously used Rational products (as a user, not admin), > including their build tool. Rational is a bit over the budget for my > shop ;) I am considering using Ant to track Visual C++ and > miscellaneous files. Has anyone used Ant (or another open source build > tool) in combination with version control? Any comments on Ant or > other tools? I am looking for something that isn't a beast to admin. > Any comments would be appreciated. Any works great. I've only used it for Java projects. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 6 06:13:07 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Sys Admin In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 12:47:27PM -0500 References: <20020726155939.GF2096@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020726132411.A1339@okane.localnet> I was promised donuts, gee, I hope the other sysadmins save me the hole... Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > Some may even get pizza... > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 03:39:51PM +0000, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > >Happy Sys Admin Day to all of you Admins out there :-)~ > > >http://www.sysadminday.com > > > > Yeah, like we're all gonna show up at work and have gifts on the desk. How > > silly. > > > > > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 6 06:51:51 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nVidia and Blank Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208060724.25747.list@slushpupie.com> On Sunday 04 August 2002 2:11 pm, Gerry wrote: > More clues necessary for help response. > > What font are you using at the console level? Whatever the default is. > What is your console resolution? Whatever the default is. > What do you get when you put vga=ask at the kernel boot prompt and then have > it scan? Not sure, never done that. > What kernel version? 2.4.18 (stock kernel) 2.4.18-5 (redhat version) > What consoletools version? 0.2.3-23.3 > Are you using fb? No > Have you tried changing colors? No. How do I do that? > Have you tried running any vgalib programs at the console? Once X starts up, I cant get back to the console to run anything. Jay From mike at jentges.net Tue Aug 6 06:57:28 2002 From: mike at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Sys Admin References: <20020726155939.GF2096@sistina.com> <20020726132411.A1339@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <002801c23d46$2fdb2010$8f96c7c7@victim> What other sysadmins? Donuts from Montreal gonna be a bit stale. Is this even effective in Canada? bahahahah -mj > I was promised donuts, gee, I hope the other sysadmins save me the > hole... > > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > Some may even get pizza... > > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 03:39:51PM +0000, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > > >Happy Sys Admin Day to all of you Admins out there :-)~ > > > >http://www.sysadminday.com > > > > > > Yeah, like we're all gonna show up at work and have gifts on the desk. How > > > silly. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -scot > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cfandre at fandre.com Tue Aug 6 08:00:49 2002 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> > So why did they implement NFS using UDP? This just seems > goofy to me. Theres an option to run NFS on TCP, > but it's not the default. UDP has a lot less overhead and is much faster over a clean/fast network. > > I was putting up with this for way too long, mostly because > I reached my limit on hassles to contend with. "I don't > want to debug this now, all I want to do is get this lousy > video file from box A to box B ten feet away." > So I used scp, although that seems stupid in the privacy of your > own basement. but what else is there? ftp, http? Those > seem stupid too. Rsync? That sounds good "BZZZZ" you > lose, can't do rsync(without -e ssh, or setting up a rsync > server) with a few stock RH boxes. > Doesn't RH come with OpenSSH installed by default now? And what's so hard about using -e ssh? From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Aug 6 09:30:14 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 10:09:16AM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> > UDP has a lot less overhead and is much faster over a clean/fast network. It just seems like they'd have to "re-invent" TCP in the implementation. And if you have to re-invent it, then you would have just as much or more overhead as TCP. I can understand UDP for short blips of information, like SNMP, but file transfer(you would think) would be the perfect application for TCP. Obviously its not that simple, and considering there is an option to do NFS on TCP, I'll bet it's a bit contentious a subject as well. From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 6 09:48:38 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020806153446.GA15641@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > > UDP has a lot less overhead and is much faster over a clean/fast network. > > It just seems like they'd have to "re-invent" TCP in the implementation. > And if you have to re-invent it, then you would have just as much or more > overhead as TCP. > > I can understand UDP for short blips of information, like SNMP, > but file transfer(you would think) would be the perfect application for TCP. > Obviously its not that simple, and considering there is an option to do > NFS on TCP, I'll bet it's a bit contentious a subject as well. 1. NFS is not "file transfer", it is "pieces of file transfer". Probably the most used RPCs are read(handle, offset, size) and write(handle, offset, size). 2. NFS is a stateless protocol. It is designed such as the server can crash or be rebooted and after the rebooot the clients will just resume operations as nothing happened. TCP is statefull. This is an "impedance mismatch" with the semantics of the upper level protocol that slowed its adoption as the transport. Linux still doesn't have a working NFS-over-TCP server. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Obviously its not that simple, and considering there is an option to > do NFS on TCP, I'll bet it's a bit contentious a subject as well. TCP "guarantees" two things: 1. All packets will be delivered 2. All packets will be received in the order they were sent To transferring a file, you only really need to make sure all the data gets transfered (#1). If it's out of order, that's OK. You can reorder it on the receiving end. Using UDP, you can spew the data at full speed (no waiting for acknowledgements) and just tack a counter onto the packets so the receiving end will know how to order them. As the receiving end is piecing the file together, it can easily detect when a piece is missing and ask the sender to resend that packet. This way, you only get "acknowledgement" traffic when a packet doesn't arrive, instead of sending acks for every packet. - Jared From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 6 10:10:26 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! Message-ID: <20020726142553.B24682@real-time.com> New thread, so it can be disassociated with the trolling of the parent thread. The whole linux replacement for exchange problem has been a thorn in Real Time's side for a very long time. And from the heated debate on the parent thread I guess others are feeling the "thorn" too. I swear our sales guy (hi Dennis!) asks me weekly if we have a -complete- linux solution for exchange. So, here I'll start a constructive thread to discuss solutions. Below is a post from Nate that is a good start: >>On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:15:48AM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: >> Help!!! The CEO has just mandiated unified calendaring/scheduling for our >> company. And unless I can find a viable alternative he says I'll be stuck >> supporting exchange and outpuke. > >I haven't checked this out, but this was announced in April by Sendmail. > >They now have a Calendar server. > >http://store.sendmail.com/cgi-bin/smistore/e.store/prodcategory.jsp?BV_UseBVCook+ie=Yes&prodCategory=-9343&localId=USA I think the hardest part of replacing exchange is the shared calendaring. So, how about some links and discussions on productions/solutions that implement the iCal protocol? Sendmail Calendar Server I've seen, but there problem is listed below: Systems and Standards Supported Platform Availability: Sun Server running Solaris 8 Required Software: Oracle 8i Enterprise Server - 8.1.7 or higher Required LDAP: OpenLDAP 2.0.1; iPlanet 4.16, 5.1 No Linux platform. AOL/Netscape offers a solutions as well. http://enterprise.netscape.com/products/commsvcs/calendar.html Again, the problem: What operating systems does Netscape Calendar Server 6.0 support? Netscape Calendar Server supports Solaris 8. Now, Solaris is Unix, but I'd prefer a linux solution. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From davisn at mailandnews.com Tue Aug 6 10:22:41 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> Well, NFS is a state-less protocol, to it would make sense to use a connection-less protocol at the network layer. Karl Bongers wrote: > > UDP has a lot less overhead and is much faster over a clean/fast network. > > It just seems like they'd have to "re-invent" TCP in the implementation. > And if you have to re-invent it, then you would have just as much or more > overhead as TCP. > > I can understand UDP for short blips of information, like SNMP, > but file transfer(you would think) would be the perfect application for TCP. > Obviously its not that simple, and considering there is an option to do > NFS on TCP, I'll bet it's a bit contentious a subject as well. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 10:55:32 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Karl Bongers writes: > > UDP has a lot less overhead and is much faster over a clean/fast network. > > It just seems like they'd have to "re-invent" TCP in the implementation. > And if you have to re-invent it, then you would have just as much or more > overhead as TCP. > > I can understand UDP for short blips of information, like SNMP, > but file transfer(you would think) would be the perfect application for TCP. > Obviously its not that simple, and considering there is an option to do > NFS on TCP, I'll bet it's a bit contentious a subject as well. But NFS isn't for file *transfer*, it's for file *access*. Each request tends to be answered by *one* page of file (which is probably several UDP packets, given ethernet frame size limits). Now, *ftp* is good for file transfer. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 6 11:03:25 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888319@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I just set up Xinerama and I'm using KDE 3.0.2 as a window manager with 2 monitors side by side. KDE puts a panel in each monitor, and I can't drag a window from one monitor to another. Is there a way to put the panel in only one monitor and allow window dragging between them? Jay From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Aug 6 11:19:57 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] U of M services, thanks! In-Reply-To: <1028586611.15426.35.camel@runabout>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:25:44PM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <1028586611.15426.35.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <20020806115021.B9601@localhost.localdomain> Just wanted to say thanks for hosting our meetings at the U of M, its a great place to have meetings at, hope the U can continue to host them. I downloaded something from sourceforge.net last night, and was happy to find a U of M gopher icon on a download site. Good job promoting our state and school! On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:25:44PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 23:43, karl bongers wrote: > > /dev/config.tgz patch, then shows off his T3 connection > > speed at the U and downloads 2.4.19 in .01 seconds, geez. > > [last message pimping our services, I'll stop now] > > As usual, I want to emphasise that we do it as a service to everyone in > the area. > > umn.dl.sf.net/mirrors > saens.debian.org > ftp.software.umn.edu > > are both brought to you by parties including: > > UMN: Network and Telecommunications services, ADCS, CSci > sf.net box: Sourceforge.net > Debian machine: saens.debian.org > > Please do send your appreciation to the sf.net and debian groups as > well, they really did provide the hardware to make it possible and the > hours of administration time that both groups put into the sf.net and > debian machines. > > ftp.software is ADCS ran and I believe they poured their own money into > it. I'm not familiar with how its administrated, but its a useful > service for ISO's sometimes to myself, at least. From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Aug 6 11:27:55 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com>; from davisn@mailandnews.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:05:22AM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> statelessness is only a matter of degree. If its so state-less then how come my machine hangs on some NFS daemon when I go to shut-down after forgetting to close up a NFS connection? Geez, thats annoying. Anyone know some configuration magic to avoid this? Anyway to gracefully deal with this when it happens without just slamming power off? On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:05:22AM -0500, Nathan Davis wrote: > Well, NFS is a state-less protocol, to it would make sense to use a > connection-less protocol at the network layer. > From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 6 11:53:19 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020806172914.GA15954@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > statelessness is only a matter of degree. > If its so state-less then how come my machine hangs > on some NFS daemon when I go to shut-down after forgetting to > close up a NFS connection? Geez, thats annoying. Because you asked it to read something from that server and it is doing just that: sending requests to that server. > Anyone know some configuration magic to avoid this? > Anyway to gracefully deal with this when it happens without > just slamming power off? RTFM: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/client.html florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably a good argument against using NFS to transfer those 500MB files(A dedicated "file transfer" protocol should be a more optimized solution that will run faster.) Silly me, what was I thinking, using a network file system to transfer files over the network :) > 2. NFS is a stateless protocol. It is designed such as the server can > crash or be rebooted and after the rebooot the clients will just > resume operations as nothing happened. > TCP is statefull. This is an "impedance mismatch" with the semantics > of the upper level protocol that slowed its adoption as the > transport. Linux still doesn't have a working NFS-over-TCP server. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 6 12:18:58 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888319@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:35AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA008888319@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020806124824.X9595@real-time.com> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:35AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I just set up Xinerama and I'm using KDE 3.0.2 as a window manager with 2 > monitors side by side. > > KDE puts a panel in each monitor, and I can't drag a window from one monitor > to another. Is there a way to put the panel in only one monitor and allow > window dragging between them? this means you don't have Xinerama running. if you did, you would only get one kicker panel, and you could drag windows between screens. I believe if you do 'startx -- +Xinerama' it will invoke the option, if for some reason it's not reading the 'Option "Xinerama"' line out of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. (I'm going to guess you *did* put that line in there, right? It should go in the ServerLayout section.) look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, to see if there are any error messages related to it. X is pretty verbose in its logging, so if something's not working, it'll usually give a pretty good description of what's going on. (whether the error is meaningful, is another matter, as always). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 12:29:33 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade Message-ID: I'm dealing with an upgrade gone bad, actually, and I don't exactly know *how* it went bad. I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm --verify reports all three are installed fine. However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of staticly linked programs I found do still run). I've been able to fix it by copying the glibc files from my alternate root partition into my main one. Things then work, until I try to do an rpm install again. (And note that rpm verifies the install is good). I've looked for files and directories set immutable with chattr. I definitely have some around, but I think I've found them all and removed them (lsattr -R | grep -- -i- found some I'd forgotten, and I fixed them too even if they don't look glibc-related). Booting from my altroot, or from the CD in rescue mode, and using rpm with --root to reference my main root gets the same errors I get when running under a normal boot. I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. Anybody got a spare clue? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 6 12:48:22 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > [snip] > I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same > way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. > Anybody got a spare clue? Yes, I suspect you're using --nodeps and/or --force somewhere, that's a bad idea, instead you should use apt, or up2date to upgrade all of the packages that depend on $XYZ version of glibc at the same time. Also: rpm -q glibc glibc-2.2.5-37 that's the latest release for 7.3, what are you running? > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 6 13:18:07 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888831C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> It is running though, as I am able to move the mouse between screens. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:35AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I just set up Xinerama and I'm using KDE 3.0.2 as a window manager > > with 2 monitors side by side. > > > > KDE puts a panel in each monitor, and I can't drag a window > from one > > monitor to another. Is there a way to put the panel in only one > > monitor and allow window dragging between them? > > this means you don't have Xinerama running. if you did, you > would only get one kicker panel, and you could drag windows > between screens. > > I believe if you do 'startx -- +Xinerama' it will invoke the > option, if for some reason it's not reading the 'Option > "Xinerama"' line out of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. (I'm > going to guess you *did* put that line in there, right? It > should go in the ServerLayout section.) > > look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, to see if there are any > error messages related to it. X is pretty verbose in its > logging, so if something's not working, it'll usually give a > pretty good description of what's going on. (whether the > error is meaningful, is another matter, as always). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 6 13:20:09 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888831D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Nevermind my last post, which hasn't made it to the list yet as of this email. I added that option, and now it does what I want it to. Sweet. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:35AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I just set up Xinerama and I'm using KDE 3.0.2 as a window manager > > with 2 monitors side by side. > > > > KDE puts a panel in each monitor, and I can't drag a window > from one > > monitor to another. Is there a way to put the panel in only one > > monitor and allow window dragging between them? > > this means you don't have Xinerama running. if you did, you > would only get one kicker panel, and you could drag windows > between screens. > > I believe if you do 'startx -- +Xinerama' it will invoke the > option, if for some reason it's not reading the 'Option > "Xinerama"' line out of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. (I'm > going to guess you *did* put that line in there, right? It > should go in the ServerLayout section.) > > look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, to see if there are any > error messages related to it. X is pretty verbose in its > logging, so if something's not working, it'll usually give a > pretty good description of what's going on. (whether the > error is meaningful, is another matter, as always). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Aug 6 13:56:43 2002 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iCal servers Message-ID: We are a Groupwise shop at Toro, therefore, we tend to keep up with the developments at Novell. They offer another messaging server besides Groupwise, that is targeted at service providers, but could serve equally well for enterprise or others. Novell Netmail 3.1 (formerly NIMS) - it does pop3, IMAP4, and iCal. It also has a fairly reasonable web interface to e-mail and calendaring. The bonus: it runs on Linux, as well as Windows, Netware, and Solaris. More info and a 60 day eval can be found here: http://www.novell.com/products/netmail/ Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 08/06/02 12:26PM >>> New thread, so it can be disassociated with the trolling of the parent thread. The whole linux replacement for exchange problem has been a thorn in Real Time's side for a very long time. And from the heated debate on the parent thread I guess others are feeling the "thorn" too. I swear our sales guy (hi Dennis!) asks me weekly if we have a -complete- linux solution for exchange. So, here I'll start a constructive thread to discuss solutions. Below is a post from Nate that is a good start: <> I think the hardest part of replacing exchange is the shared calendaring. So, how about some links and discussions on productions/solutions that implement the iCal protocol? <> From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 6 14:22:46 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806123757.A9792@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <20020806153446.GA15641@iucha.net> <20020806123757.A9792@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020806195541.GB15954@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:37:57PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:34:46AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > 1. NFS is not "file transfer", it is "pieces of file transfer". > > Probably the most used RPCs are read(handle, offset, size) and > > write(handle, offset, size). > > Good points. Probably a good argument against using NFS to transfer > those 500MB files(A dedicated "file transfer" protocol should be > a more optimized solution that will run faster.) Silly me, what was > I thinking, using a network file system to transfer files over the > network :) Uhm... why? FTP and cp over NFS do the same thing modulo setting up and tearing down the "connection", which has negligible cost compared with transfering 500 Mb. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020806/8fe2d654/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 14:24:31 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: "Matthew S. Hallacy" writes: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > > > > [snip] > > > I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same > > way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. > > Anybody got a spare clue? > > Yes, I suspect you're using --nodeps and/or --force somewhere, that's > a bad idea, instead you should use apt, or up2date to upgrade all of > the packages that depend on $XYZ version of glibc at the same time. I didn't override any dependencies in the basic install. I certainly have tried that when playing around trying to *recover* from the basic install, but the problem appeared without that. Given that *every* dynamic process died in the bad cases, I don't think it's a dependency of a particular program on a particular glibc version. And the same dynamic binaries work when I copy over the binaries from my alternate root. I'm pretty sure the problem is whatever is causing the post and pre scriptlets to fail, but I have no clue what that is. I ran rpm2cpio on the rpm and looked at the files, but there doesn't seem to be a copy of the spec file available there, or of those scriptlets, so I haven't been able to look at them and find what they do. I'm scared of turning over too much of the system maintenance to outside programs; I'm always left cleaning up the mess they make, and I don't even know what they did. I've vaguely heard of up2date, but I thought it was part of the commercial services? > Also: > rpm -q glibc > glibc-2.2.5-37 > > that's the latest release for 7.3, what are you running? I'm still on 7.2 -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From doughanson at attbi.com Tue Aug 6 14:54:11 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Oracle Message-ID: <20020806203534.FSEU19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Is there anyone out there running Oracle 9i on a Linux platform out there? My company is looking to switch from Solaris/Oracle to save some $$$. If so, please email me offline. Thanks, -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 14:54:26 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806195541.GB15954@iucha.net> References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <20020806153446.GA15641@iucha.net> <20020806123757.A9792@localhost.localdomain> <20020806195541.GB15954@iucha.net> Message-ID: florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) writes: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:37:57PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:34:46AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > 1. NFS is not "file transfer", it is "pieces of file transfer". > > > Probably the most used RPCs are read(handle, offset, size) and > > > write(handle, offset, size). > > > > Good points. Probably a good argument against using NFS to transfer > > those 500MB files(A dedicated "file transfer" protocol should be > > a more optimized solution that will run faster.) Silly me, what was > > I thinking, using a network file system to transfer files over the > > network :) > > Uhm... why? > > FTP and cp over NFS do the same thing modulo setting up and tearing down > the "connection", which has negligible cost compared with transfering > 500 Mb. Not true. FTP is implemented on top of TCP, which means there are provisions for controlling flow to avoid overstressing any link along the way, which means it works well for sending a continuous stream of data, as copying a file. NFS is mostly run over UDP, a connectionless protocol, which has rather different characteristics (and there's no "connection" to set up and tear down anyway). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From davisn at mailandnews.com Tue Aug 6 14:55:56 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3D5033F0.1D3A717F@mailandnews.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > "Matthew S. Hallacy" writes: > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > > > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > > > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > > > > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > > > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > > > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > > > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > > > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > > > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same > > > way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. > > > Anybody got a spare clue? > > > > Yes, I suspect you're using --nodeps and/or --force somewhere, that's > > a bad idea, instead you should use apt, or up2date to upgrade all of > > the packages that depend on $XYZ version of glibc at the same time. > > I didn't override any dependencies in the basic install. I certainly > have tried that when playing around trying to *recover* from the basic > install, but the problem appeared without that. > > Given that *every* dynamic process died in the bad cases, I don't > think it's a dependency of a particular program on a particular glibc > version. And the same dynamic binaries work when I copy over the > binaries from my alternate root. > Well, what version are you upgrading from? If it's a different so number, then binaries linked against the old version won't work with the new. Given that the installation was built against the old version, it is very likely that the cause of your problem is a version mismatch. You can try installing the new version, instead of upgrading it. --Nathan Davis From dante at plethora.net Tue Aug 6 15:17:28 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <20020726142553.B24682@real-time.com> Message-ID: Try checking out ical rather than iCal. That is ical from X11 contrib. Completely different sharing method. On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > New thread, so it can be disassociated with the trolling of the parent thread. > > The whole linux replacement for exchange problem has been a thorn in Real Time's > side for a very long time. And from the heated debate on the parent thread I > guess others are feeling the "thorn" too. > > I swear our sales guy (hi Dennis!) asks me weekly if we have a -complete- linux > solution for exchange. > > So, here I'll start a constructive thread to discuss solutions. Below is a post > from Nate that is a good start: > > >>On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:15:48AM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > >> Help!!! The CEO has just mandiated unified calendaring/scheduling for our > >> company. And unless I can find a viable alternative he says I'll be stuck > >> supporting exchange and outpuke. > > > >I haven't checked this out, but this was announced in April by Sendmail. > > > >They now have a Calendar server. > > > >http://store.sendmail.com/cgi-bin/smistore/e.store/prodcategory.jsp?BV_UseBVCook+ie=Yes&prodCategory=-9343&localId=USA > > I think the hardest part of replacing exchange is the shared calendaring. So, > how about some links and discussions on productions/solutions that implement the > iCal protocol? > > Sendmail Calendar Server I've seen, but there problem is listed below: > > Systems and Standards Supported > > Platform Availability: Sun Server running Solaris 8 > Required Software: Oracle 8i Enterprise Server - 8.1.7 or higher > Required LDAP: OpenLDAP 2.0.1; iPlanet 4.16, 5.1 > > No Linux platform. > > AOL/Netscape offers a solutions as well. > > http://enterprise.netscape.com/products/commsvcs/calendar.html > > Again, the problem: > > What operating systems does Netscape Calendar Server 6.0 support? > > Netscape Calendar Server supports Solaris 8. > > Now, Solaris is Unix, but I'd prefer a linux solution. > > > > > From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 15:47:36 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: <3D5033F0.1D3A717F@mailandnews.com> References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> <3D5033F0.1D3A717F@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: Nathan Davis writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > "Matthew S. Hallacy" writes: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > > > > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > > > > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > > > > > > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > > > > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > > > > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > > > > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > > > > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > > > > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same > > > > way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. > > > > Anybody got a spare clue? > > > > > > Yes, I suspect you're using --nodeps and/or --force somewhere, that's > > > a bad idea, instead you should use apt, or up2date to upgrade all of > > > the packages that depend on $XYZ version of glibc at the same time. > > > > I didn't override any dependencies in the basic install. I certainly > > have tried that when playing around trying to *recover* from the basic > > install, but the problem appeared without that. > > > > Given that *every* dynamic process died in the bad cases, I don't > > think it's a dependency of a particular program on a particular glibc > > version. And the same dynamic binaries work when I copy over the > > binaries from my alternate root. > > > > Well, what version are you upgrading from? If it's a different so number, then > binaries linked against the old version won't work with the new. Given that > the installation was built against the old version, it is very likely that the > cause of your problem is a version mismatch. You can try installing the new > version, instead of upgrading it. Old version was 2.2.4-19, if I remember correctly. Might have been -14; anyway 2.2.4 still. Is it actually possible to remove glibc and then install a new version? If so how? I thought the upgrade path was the only possible route, since pretty much everything, including the tools rpm calls, stop working when there's no glibc. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From adnan at intradyn.com Tue Aug 6 15:53:31 2002 From: adnan at intradyn.com (Adnan Olia) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Oracle References: <20020806203534.FSEU19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <003701c23d8f$e79a1e10$fd00a8c0@AOLIA> Yes, we are running Oracle 9i on SUSE (the latest version). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Oracle > Is there anyone out there running Oracle 9i on a Linux > platform out there? My company is looking to switch > from Solaris/Oracle to save some $$$. If so, please > email me offline. > > Thanks, > > -- > Doug > doughanson@attbi.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 6 16:12:04 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:58:47PM -0500 References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020806165405.J5338@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:58:47PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I'm scared of turning over too much of the system maintenance to > outside programs; I'm always left cleaning up the mess they make, and > I don't even know what they did. I've vaguely heard of up2date, but I > thought it was part of the commercial services? You're allowed to setup a free account and use it to update your system, 'priority' access to redhat's server costs $. You might be interested in using apt, an excellent program finally freed from the world of debian (joking), upgrading and installing packages is as simple as: apt-get install or apt-get upgrade You can also easily upgrade that 7.2 box to 7.3 by using: apt-get dist-upgrade you have the choice of using only redhat's rpms, or redhat rpms plus what other people put out (such as real-time, and freshrpms) http://apt.freshrpms.net/ rpm -Uh http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.2/en/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/apt-0.3.19cnc55-fr7.i386.rpm apt-get update apt-get upgrade presto, your system is now up to date, and should fix your glibc problem as well =) > > Also: > > rpm -q glibc > > glibc-2.2.5-37 > > > > that's the latest release for 7.3, what are you running? > > I'm still on 7.2 > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 6 16:42:11 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xinerama support in KDE In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888831C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:46:01PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00888831C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020806170730.D13045@real-time.com> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:46:01PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > It is running though, as I am able to move the mouse between screens. you can do that without Xinerama. :) the main difference between Xinerama and non-xinerama setups is how it treats the displays. with xinerama, all the screens are display ':0.0'. without it, you have displays :0.0, :0.1, :0.2, so on and so forth. with multiple displays, applications need to be multipipe-aware, in order to take advantage of it. the FGFS flight simulator is the only commonly/freely-available X app that I know of, which can do this. (tho I've heard rumors that some Doom variant can, and I've seen a hacked-up Unreal Tournament running on several separate displays at once [tho they actually used 2 'spectators' turned 90-degrees left and right, for the side displays]) with a single display, applications don't (usually, in theory) know that they're being dragged from one screen to another, since it all appears as one screen to them. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 6 17:01:33 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1028674117.18457.65.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-08-06 at 13:19, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I'm dealing with an upgrade gone bad, actually, and I don't exactly > know *how* it went bad. > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > --verify reports all three are installed fine. You did install with "rpm -U glibc- glibc-devel- glibc-common-", right? rpm really should have prevented you from installing them one at a time, but I remember having all sorts of trouble once when I upgraded the library, but forgot to update -devel (but that was years ago). > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > staticly linked programs I found do still run). Perhaps you'd like to try going to another console (ALT-F2 or whatever) and running "while true; do /sbin/ldconfig; done" and then go back to the main console and try running the rpm installation. I think you could also try using "rpm --noscripts ..." Of course, maybe the scripts are just broken and things are all hunky-dory despite the error messages. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ She did WHAT with WHO for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ HOW MANY Mini-Oreos? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020806/cdcf3eab/attachment.pgp From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Aug 6 18:05:06 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchange server!!! Message-ID: <00001bcd021f9307d2@[172.29.97.10]> Suse is getting in the game too. They support any mapi client and it supports calendaring, but only for Outlook 98 or greater. http://www.suse.com/us/products/suse_business/email_server/index.htm l > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Taylor [SMTP:dante@plethora.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The > boss wants anexchange server!!! > > > > The whole linux replacement for exchange problem has been a > thorn in Real Time's > > side for a very long time. And from the heated debate on the > parent thread I > > guess others are feeling the "thorn" too. > > > > I swear our sales guy (hi Dennis!) asks me weekly if we have a > -complete- linux > > solution for exchange. > > > IPC 2002 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 6 19:12:07 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: <1028674117.18457.65.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1028674117.18457.65.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: Mike Hicks writes: > On Tue, 2002-08-06 at 13:19, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > I'm dealing with an upgrade gone bad, actually, and I don't exactly > > know *how* it went bad. > > > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > You did install with "rpm -U glibc- glibc-devel- > glibc-common-", right? rpm really should have prevented you from > installing them one at a time, but I remember having all sorts of > trouble once when I upgraded the library, but forgot to update -devel > (but that was years ago). Yes. > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > > Perhaps you'd like to try going to another console (ALT-F2 or whatever) > and running "while true; do /sbin/ldconfig; done" and then go back to > the main console and try running the rpm installation. I think you > could also try using "rpm --noscripts ..." Interesting idea on the ldconfig, haven't tried doing it continuously (I've been working in single user mode, but I could put that in the background, or go to multiuser and do it exactly as you suggest). I thought the docs said noscripts applies only to --erase, but on a closer look it does seem to be generally applicable. I wish I could get my hands on those scripts and see what they *do*. I suppose I should grab the source rpm and look at the spec file and dig them out. It *ought* to be possible to get them out of the binary rpm, but I've failed to find them in the cpio file produced by rpm2cpio. > Of course, maybe the scripts are just broken and things are all > hunky-dory despite the error messages. That'd sure be nice. Unfortunately it's when I get those error messages that all the dynamically linked programs stop working, so I doubt things are that simple. (And running ldconfig doesn't fix them.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From davisn at mailandnews.com Tue Aug 6 21:12:32 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> <3D5033F0.1D3A717F@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <3D508859.38D46CEF@mailandnews.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Nathan Davis writes: > > > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > "Matthew S. Hallacy" writes: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:19:24PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm upgrading to glibc 2.2.4-27 (including the usual -common and > > > > > -devel; I don't use -profile). In fact I have it running now. rpm > > > > > --verify reports all three are installed fine. > > > > > > > > > > However, if I try to reinstall glibc using "rpm -U --replacepkgs > > > > > glibc-2.2.4-27.i386.rpm" I get "% post scriptlet failed", and if I try > > > > > -common I get "% pre scriptlet failed". When the first, at least, > > > > > happens, *everything* stops working (well, presumably every program > > > > > that depends on the glibc dynamic library; in fact a couple of > > > > > staticly linked programs I found do still run). > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I'm running now, but I believe my next upgrade will fail in the same > > > > > way, so I'd really like to figure out WTF is going on and fix it. > > > > > Anybody got a spare clue? > > > > > > > > Yes, I suspect you're using --nodeps and/or --force somewhere, that's > > > > a bad idea, instead you should use apt, or up2date to upgrade all of > > > > the packages that depend on $XYZ version of glibc at the same time. > > > > > > I didn't override any dependencies in the basic install. I certainly > > > have tried that when playing around trying to *recover* from the basic > > > install, but the problem appeared without that. > > > > > > Given that *every* dynamic process died in the bad cases, I don't > > > think it's a dependency of a particular program on a particular glibc > > > version. And the same dynamic binaries work when I copy over the > > > binaries from my alternate root. > > > > > > > Well, what version are you upgrading from? If it's a different so number, then > > binaries linked against the old version won't work with the new. Given that > > the installation was built against the old version, it is very likely that the > > cause of your problem is a version mismatch. You can try installing the new > > version, instead of upgrading it. > > Old version was 2.2.4-19, if I remember correctly. Might have been > -14; anyway 2.2.4 still. > Okay then, it looks like my hunch about different versions was wrong. > > Is it actually possible to remove glibc and then install a new > version? If so how? I thought the upgrade path was the only possible > route, since pretty much everything, including the tools rpm calls, > stop working when there's no glibc. > -- I've only tried to upgrade glibc once, and I ran into problems because I used rpm -U. This caused the machine to essentially no longer boot (because the new library had a different so-name, so there were dynamic linker errors). After fixing it via rescue disk, I believe I successfully "upgraded" by doing rpm -i. At least I remember this working for something (note: may have had to use --force, I don't remember). Basically, two versions of the package were installed -- satisfying the requirements for both old and new packages. FYI, the -U (--upgrade) option is really just a -e and -i, but done atomically from a dependency point of view. > > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test > John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020806/7b9a3267/attachment.htm From jack at jacku.com Tue Aug 6 21:53:32 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <00001bcd021f9307d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <00001bcd021f9307d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <200208062237.46334.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 06 August 2002 18:41, Ryan Ware wrote: > Suse is getting in the game too. They support any mapi client and > it supports calendaring, but only for Outlook 98 or greater. > > http://www.suse.com/us/products/suse_business/email_server/index.htm > l > I can support group calendering with almost any setup and Outlook 98 and newer. In fact I setup this kind of situation at a small law firm in town. Its called shared folders and its not recommended by MS for more than 5 (or was it 10) people. Its done by exchanging emails. They warn that with large numbers of users you get excess traffic and potentials for higher latency in the scheduling end. I think there is also support for using an IMAP public folder if you have an IMAP server. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 6 22:45:41 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP Message-ID: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> Hello, I've switched my mail account usage from POP3 to IMAP and have found that if I leave my desktop logged in from home I am unable to view my folders from work. Is that par for the course with IMAP, or is there something that I can do to allow access from more than one client at the same time? Thanks! EM From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 6 23:05:34 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux compliant with what standards? Message-ID: <20020806234514.T15509@real-time.com> I'm looking for a list of standards Linux is compliant with. Anyone? Ie, POSIX, X/Open, etc.. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 6 23:07:13 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing to remote server Message-ID: Hello, Ok, here's a weird one. I traded some stuff with someone on the list (bad with names, sorry) and got a Lexmark Print Server. It works just great. I've successfully got three Win2K boxes and 2 Linux boxes printing to it. However, ONE Linux box (Red Hat 6.2, no I can't upgrade) refuses to print. I installed/upgraded lpr, nothing. Removed it and put on CUPS, nothing. lpd would say that the "remote is out of space, waiting for queue to drain", whereas CUPS says "lp is not ready". Needless to say other machines can chug along nicely while this goes on. The RH6.2 machine can ping and nmap the printserver and sees the ports open. I can telnet to port 515 (which is what the other Linux boxes are using) and can connect, but I don't know how to simulate network printer. Debugging shows printing going OK, and then getting stuck in the queue. The other Linux boxes are, of course, debian, using plain-ol' lpd. Anyone have any ideas? (note: the only reason I need this machine to be able to print is because it's the only Linux box that is ALWAYS up, and I want to cron a printjob at like 4am every day to keep the @#($& inkjet nozzles from drying! So I don't care about print quality or anything). TCPDUMP shows _nothing_ going to the printer at all from the RH machine. Yes, rlpr is installed and configured for use. TIA, -Yaron -- From devel_support at crlc.net Wed Aug 7 01:04:58 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iCal servers References: Message-ID: <02b701c23dd5$272e2860$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Caldera has released an Exchange alternative (released around May). http://www.caldera.com/products/volutionmsg/ Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Broecker" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iCal servers > We are a Groupwise shop at Toro, therefore, we tend to keep up with the developments at Novell. They offer another messaging server besides Groupwise, that is targeted at service providers, but could serve equally well for enterprise or others. > > Novell Netmail 3.1 (formerly NIMS) - it does pop3, IMAP4, and iCal. It also has a fairly reasonable web interface to e-mail and calendaring. The bonus: it runs on Linux, as well as Windows, Netware, and Solaris. More info and a 60 day eval can be found here: > > http://www.novell.com/products/netmail/ > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 08/06/02 12:26PM >>> > New thread, so it can be disassociated with the trolling of the parent thread. > > The whole linux replacement for exchange problem has been a thorn in Real Time's > side for a very long time. And from the heated debate on the parent thread I > guess others are feeling the "thorn" too. > > I swear our sales guy (hi Dennis!) asks me weekly if we have a -complete- linux > solution for exchange. > > So, here I'll start a constructive thread to discuss solutions. Below is a post > from Nate that is a good start: > <> > I think the hardest part of replacing exchange is the shared calendaring. So, > how about some links and discussions on productions/solutions that implement the > iCal protocol? > > <> > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Aug 7 01:05:11 2002 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! References: Message-ID: <3D50B635.80805@haxxed.com> What I don't understand is Ximian is apparently working hard on making Evolution talk to Exchange, but why aren't they making their own Evolution Serverthingy? They have the client, they just need the server. ;P From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Aug 7 01:16:12 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync Message-ID: <1558.192.168.71.100.1028701588.squirrel@www.northlans.com> I have 3 servers that I am trying to replicate some information in a couple of folders. I now use the rsync command and can successfully push updated information from 1 box to the other 2 boxes, but I have to do it manually. I've looked around on the web and the man pages. I found some information about rsyncd.conf and a couple of other files, but I can't quite get it to work. I want to make a cron job that will automatically run a script that pushes out updated information to the other servers, but I keep getting prompted for a password when I run my script, just like it does when I run rsync manually. Does anyone have a good how-to or experience in doing what I'm looking for that could help me out? Thanks Jim Streit From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 7 05:17:46 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> Message-ID: <200208070551.43259.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 06 August 2002 11:32 pm, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hello, > I've switched my mail account usage from POP3 to IMAP and have found > that if I leave my desktop logged in from home I am unable to view my > folders from work. > > Is that par for the course with IMAP, or is there something that I can > do to allow access from more than one client at the same time? > > Thanks! > > EM Depends on the mail storage format. When all your mail is stored in a single file (mbox format) then yes, that is about right. The problem is having more than one process modifying a single file. The problem was mostly solved by moving to maildir format, where your mail is stored in individual files in a directory, allowing an aparent abratrary number of processes to work on your mail at once. Note: If you stay logged in and you are using mbox format, new mail may not be delivered, and will stay queued up until your mbox is unlocked. Jay From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 7 05:18:50 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync In-Reply-To: <1558.192.168.71.100.1028701588.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1558.192.168.71.100.1028701588.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <200208070600.31052.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 07 August 2002 1:26 am, Jim Streit wrote: > I have 3 servers that I am trying to replicate some information in a > couple of folders. I now use the rsync command and can successfully push > updated information from 1 box to the other 2 boxes, but I have to do it > manually. > > I've looked around on the web and the man pages. I found some information > about rsyncd.conf and a couple of other files, but I can't quite get it to > work. I want to make a cron job that will automatically run a script that > pushes out updated information to the other servers, but I keep getting > prompted for a password when I run my script, just like it does when I run > rsync manually. > > Does anyone have a good how-to or experience in doing what I'm looking for > that could help me out? Read up on ssh. Generate an identiy that does not have a password, and use that identify for rsync host A# ssh-keygen -t rsa Generating public/private rsa key pair. Enter file in which to save the key (/home/users/jay/.ssh/id_rsa): Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): Enter same passphrase again: Your identification has been saved in id_rsa. Your public key has been saved in id_rsa.pub. The key fingerprint is: XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:X:XX jay@hostA host A# scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub hostB:.ssh/hostA_rsa.pub host A# ssh hostB Password: host B# cd .ssh host B# cat hostA_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys host B# chmod 600 * host B# exit After doing this, try this to double check it works (make sure it didnt prompt for a password): host A# ssh hostB host B# exit Now you should be able to use rsync (with ssh) without a password: host A# rsync -e ssh -av hostB:/my/dirs /backup Jay From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 7 06:43:11 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> Message-ID: <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. In other words, cease using the Washington University wu-imap and instead use Courier. This runs as a daemon and will handle multiple connections to the same mailbox at the same time. It also has its own POP3 daemon if you want to enable it. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mitchell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP > Hello, > I've switched my mail account usage from POP3 to IMAP and have found > that if I leave my desktop logged in from home I am unable to view my > folders from work. > > Is that par for the course with IMAP, or is there something that I can > do to allow access from more than one client at the same time? > > Thanks! > > EM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 7 07:22:47 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 07:33:48AM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020807081320.P5338@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 07:33:48AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. Just don't do it on anything *I* run, I like my disk space, thankyouverymuch. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Aug 7 07:42:02 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? Message-ID: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new AMD box and I want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software development and work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... is it possible to have each operating system installed on different drives? I know you can dual boot and I am assuming I can put each OS on separate drives .. but I thought I would ask before struggling with it. Many thanks in advance! Randy Clarksean Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020807/b5fb5643/attachment.html From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Aug 7 08:31:03 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 07:33, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. In other words, cease using the > Washington University wu-imap and instead use Courier. This runs as a > daemon and will handle multiple connections to the same mailbox at the same > time. It also has its own POP3 daemon if you want to enable it. Or, stop wasting your inodes and use MBX[*] with uw-imapd. I only use Maildir on the client side because offlineimap forces me to. I should look into running a local imapd instance and port offlineimap to talk MBX too. Maildir sucks. Slow. MUA's don't act the same compared to mbox or imap. Eats inodes. [*] Offer not valid on NFS. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 7 08:31:29 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <20020807081320.P5338@techmonkeys.org> References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20020807081320.P5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1028729461.18518.69.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 08:13, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 07:33:48AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. > > Just don't do it on anything *I* run, I like my disk space, thankyouverymuch. Heh, yeah, it's probably a good idea to do that on a ReiserFS partition, which handles small files better. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Suicidal twin kills sister / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ by mistake! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020807/ef7cfbad/attachment.pgp From dante at plethora.net Wed Aug 7 08:36:56 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants an exchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <3D50B635.80805@haxxed.com> Message-ID: Can't see the forest for that big tree in front of them I'd bet. Seriously, from what I've heard from people who've used Outlook, Evolution is about as close to a verbatim clone as you can get. With the mindset that develops an application that way, you don't deviate from the model in any significant way. On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > What I don't understand is Ximian is apparently working hard on making > Evolution talk to Exchange, but why aren't they making their own > Evolution Serverthingy? They have the client, they just need the server. ;P > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 7 09:31:41 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Uhm -- I believe MBX is mailbox format and that is the problem this guy is having. It does not support concurrent access because imapd is started via inetd for each access. Courier runs as a daemon and can handle any number of connections (more or less). As far as inodes go, it is up to the admin to setup the filesystem to handle that. You could use a different filesystem or perhaps format the partition with lots of inodes. I can say that I have had no trouble with inodes. All my mail drops into Maildir on my /home partition and it works great. I set quotas accordingly. Visi.com runs Courier IMAP on their primary mail cluster without trouble or incident. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP > On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 07:33, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. In other words, cease using the > > Washington University wu-imap and instead use Courier. This runs as a > > daemon and will handle multiple connections to the same mailbox at the same > > time. It also has its own POP3 daemon if you want to enable it. > > Or, stop wasting your inodes and use MBX[*] with uw-imapd. I only use > Maildir on the client side because offlineimap forces me to. I should > look into running a local imapd instance and port offlineimap to talk > MBX too. Maildir sucks. Slow. MUA's don't act the same compared to > mbox or imap. Eats inodes. > > [*] Offer not valid on NFS. > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 7 09:31:50 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? Message-ID: These links may be helpful: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/index.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Win9x+Grub-HOWTO/index.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/MultiOS-HOWTO.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Tips-HOWTO.html >>> rclark@lakesplus.com 08/07/02 08:29AM >>> A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new AMD box and I want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software development and work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... is it possible to have each operating system installed on different drives? I know you can dual boot and I am assuming I can put each OS on separate drives .. but I thought I would ask before struggling with it. Many thanks in advance! Randy Clarksean Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 7 09:33:44 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? References: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <00cc01c23e23$b1293340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Yes. Install Windows 2000 first and then install Redhat. You will probably do best having the Redhat drive as a slave to the primary Windows 2000 drive or have each drive be master on individual IDE controllers. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Clarksean To: tclug Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new AMD box and I want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software development and work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... is it possible to have each operating system installed on different drives? I know you can dual boot and I am assuming I can put each OS on separate drives .. but I thought I would ask before struggling with it. Many thanks in advance! Randy Clarksean Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020807/126ca4da/attachment.html From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 7 10:10:36 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux compliant with what standards? In-Reply-To: <20020806234514.T15509@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:14PM -0500 References: <20020806234514.T15509@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020807105003.Q5338@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:45:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking for a list of standards Linux is compliant with. > > Anyone? > > Ie, POSIX, X/Open, etc.. http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Projects/Standards/?tc=1 > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Wed Aug 7 10:44:28 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? In-Reply-To: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> References: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200208071101.56119.joelr@ellegon.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 August 2002 08:29 am, Randy Clarksean wrote: > A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new AMD box and > I want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software > development and work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... > is it possible to have each operating system installed on different > drives? > > I know you can dual boot and I am assuming I can put each OS on > separate drives .. but I thought I would ask before struggling with > it. > Sure. It's fairly easy. The only restrictions is that Win2K is a bit fussy about where it needs to be. Quick and dirty: 1. Assemble box 2. Install Win2K into the first partition on the first HD. (The partition may be the whole drive.) 3. Install RedHat, and be sure that, late in the installation, lilo knows that it can boot the Win2K partition. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9UURzy9b1AU6SGNkRAqD0AJ9Q/u5y4eY3apHH0MuXuO4kVZJd9gCgkXXH 5rPpDaad0POeh72dScPcvXw= =Y1y/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 10:44:59 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 09:55:32AM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020807110922.F1116@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 09:55:32AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > Uhm -- I believe MBX is mailbox format and that is the problem this guy is > having. It does not support concurrent access because imapd is started via > inetd for each access. Actually, I was just reviewing the uw-imap documentation and it looks like mbox and mbx are 2 different formats, with mbx supporting concurrent access. http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/drivers.txt.html But I would like more information on this. We're currently using uw-imap and mbox format and I would also like to make concurrent access work. Anyone have any URLs on how to make the switch? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: Message-ID: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> Remember that Ximian's business is providing a solid desktop application environment for Linux. Building a desktop client that is compatible with Exchange is far more consistent with their goals than building a replacement for Exchange itself. Having an Exchange compatible client is a *huge* step in making Linux a workable desktop replacement in a corporate environment. From a corporate point of view Exchange is a pretty sweet setup. In addition to integrating e-mail, address book and scheduling services, it makes it easy to apply consistent policies across the company. If the legal weenies say that internal e-mails should be archived for 6 months and external e-mails for 3 years, Exchange can do that for you. If you want deleted messages to be available for recovery for 45 days, Exchange can do that as well. Of course it integrates into the existing MS security model for dealing with authenticating users and assigning privileges, and it can provide access to pop/imap clients and web browsers as well. There are a lot of people with a stake in managing something as simple as e-mail in a large company and Exchange tries to balance off the needs of each group. I personally don't like the way a lot of stuff gets done in the whole Outlook<->Exchange set up, but I can certainly understand why reasonably people might choose to go that route. It seems a bit naive to say that 'sendmail/imap/web-based calendar app' is a drop in replacement for Exchange Server without recognizing the management/administrative issues that products like Exchange, Notes and Groupwise try to address. --rick Dan Taylor wrote: >Can't see the forest for that big tree in front of them I'd bet. >Seriously, from what I've heard from people who've used Outlook, Evolution >is about as close to a verbatim clone as you can get. With the mindset >that develops an application that way, you don't deviate from the >model in any significant way. > > >On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > >>What I don't understand is Ximian is apparently working hard on making >>Evolution talk to Exchange, but why aren't they making their own >>Evolution Serverthingy? They have the client, they just need the server. ;P >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 7 11:24:52 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? References: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> <00cc01c23e23$b1293340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <3D514D35.F884AF04@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <01a601c23e36$364087b0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> I don't believe modern IDE controllers suffer the problem of limitting performance to that of the master. I have had boards show UDMA66 hard drives as slaves to UDMA33 DVD-ROM drives. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Davis To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? Unless you are going to access data frequently from the Windows 2000 drive, I personally make the Linux drive slave on the same controller because you will only be accessing one disk at a time. That way, you can put a CD-ROM or whatever on the secondary controller without any performance loss. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: Yes. Install Windows 2000 first and then install Redhat. You will probably do best having the Redhat drive as a slave to the primary Windows 2000 drive or have each drive be master on individual IDE controllers. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From:Randy Clarksean To: tclug Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new AMD box and I want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software development and work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... is it possible to have each operating system installed on different drives? I know you can dual boot and I am assuming I can put each OS on separate drives .. but I thought I would ask before struggling with it. Many thanks in advance! Randy Clarksean Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020807/c7e4c55b/attachment.htm From paul at harris.net Wed Aug 7 11:56:09 2002 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dual boot - different Hard drives? Message-ID: <20020807102013.7264.h006.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> Randy, It is indeed possible - I did the same thing with Win98/Debian on a couple of 40GB drives. W2K is a little fiddly to get dual booting, but google will find several how-tos. One advantage of two HDs is putting the swap file/partition for each OS on a separate drive. So if W2K is using HD1, create a GB partition on HD2 for the sole use of its swapfile. And create a partition on HD1 for the Linux swap partition. This speeds things up, as searches in virtual memory can happen at the same time as data searches on the HD. Cheers, Paul > From: "Randy Clarksean" <rclark@lakesplus.com> > Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? > > A relative newbie request ... I am putting together a new > AMD box and I = > want it to be dual boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software > development and = > work purposes. I will have two 40 GB hard drives ... is it > possible to = > have each operating system installed on different drives From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Aug 7 12:01:02 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? References: <00f101c23e16$83b2c910$0201a8c0@office> <00cc01c23e23$b1293340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <3D514D35.F884AF04@mailandnews.com> <01a601c23e36$364087b0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <3D515BDE.35E735C6@mailandnews.com> I was referring to being able to access both devices simultaneously. If you will only access one hard drive at a time (under normal circumstances), then you may as well put the CD-ROM drive on the other IDE channel so that you can read from CD and access harddrive at the same time. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I don't believe modern IDE controllers suffer the problem of > limitting performance to that of the master. I have had boards show > UDMA66 hard drives as slaves to UDMA33 DVD-ROM drives. Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nathan Davis > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard drives? > Unless you are going to access data frequently from the > Windows 2000 drive, I personally make the Linux drive slave > on the same controller because you will only be accessing > one disk at a time. That way, you can put a CD-ROM or > whatever on the secondary controller without any performance > loss. > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > Yes. Install Windows 2000 first and then install Redhat. > > You will probably do best having the Redhat drive as a > > slave to the primary Windows 2000 drive or have each drive > > be master on individual IDE controllers. Tom Veldhouse > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Randy Clarksean > > To: tclug > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:29 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Dual boot - different Hard > > drives? > > A relative newbie request ... I am putting > > together a new AMD box and I want it to be dual > > boot: Win2000 and RH7.2 for software > > development and work purposes. I will have two > > 40 GB hard drives ... is it possible to have > > each operating system installed on different > > drives? I know you can dual boot and I am > > assuming I can put each OS on separate drives .. > > but I thought I would ask before struggling with > > it. Many thanks in advance! Randy Clarksean > > Leading Technology Designs, Inc. > > 106 North Boardman Ave. > > P.O. Box N > > New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes > > men so much as common sense and plain dealing." > > - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 > > fax:218-385-3751 > > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities > Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020807/c44dc35d/attachment.html From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 12:17:39 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: reiserFS (was: Re: [TCLUG] Concurrent clients and IMAP) In-Reply-To: <1028729461.18518.69.camel@3po.dhs.org>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 09:11:01AM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20020807081320.P5338@techmonkeys.org> <1028729461.18518.69.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020807125652.C15767@real-time.com> > > > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. > > > > Just don't do it on anything *I* run, I like my disk space, thankyouverymuch. > > Heh, yeah, it's probably a good idea to do that on a ReiserFS partition, > which handles small files better. actually, according to some benchmarks that I've seen, ReiserFS isn't that much of a win for reading small files. it *does* seem to be really fast at creating big filesystems; and may even be a winner at writing lots of little files; but isn't necessarily better at reading them back, than most other filesystems. once the directory indexing stuff gets fully included into ext3; I think there'll be even less of a difference. YMMV; the only way to know is to try it. :) In any case, Maildir will still be hideously slow to read, compared to mbox (which can get pretty slow when you have 100MB mboxes like I do, and I'm sure lots of other people do.) for your ordinary pop3 user tho; they won't see a difference. (and we'll definitely see an improvement on the server side, since file locking isn't a bottleneck anymore.) anyone have experience with SQL-database-backed mailservers? how do those perform, compared to mbox/Maildir? Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 12:21:39 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing to remote server In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:52:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020807124557.B15767@real-time.com> > I traded some stuff with someone on the list (bad with names, sorry) and > got a Lexmark Print Server. so this is just one of the little idiot-boxes that has a parallel port on one side and ethernet on the other? > Debugging shows printing going OK, and then getting stuck in the queue. > > The other Linux boxes are, of course, debian, using plain-ol' lpd. > > Anyone have any ideas? make one of the working boxes your print server, and have it spool for the Lexmark box? > (note: the only reason I need this machine to be able to print is because > it's the only Linux box that is ALWAYS up, hmmm. so why do you take down the other machines? > and I want to cron a printjob > at like 4am every day to keep the @#($& inkjet nozzles from drying! So I > don't care about print quality or anything). personally, my solution to this was to get rid of the printer, and just not print anything. truth be told, I don't miss it most of the time. I only *really* need to print something maybe twice a year (at the most); and so I just print it at work. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Aug 7 12:23:33 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? Message-ID: Generally I thought you could, other things being equal. I'm trying to upgrade a Micron Vetix server that says it takes fast-page or EDO DRAM in DIMM sockets, with sizes up to 128MB. But the two 128MB PC133 DIMMs I've installed aren't recognized. The initial 128MB (as 4 sticks of 32MB each) are still recognized, and the system still runs, but without the new memory. It says that the "example configurations" are just examples, not the full set of valid configurations -- but the exact one I'm using, 4 32MB sticks in banks 0-3, 2 128MB sticks in banks 4 and 5, *is* one of the examples, so it's not that I'm falling afoul of the legals ways to combine memory sizes. Of course this system was made before PC133, so if that doesn't reliably work that could be the problem. Anybody want to trade two PC133 sticks of 128MB each for PC100 sticks? (These are new from General Nanosystems, back when they had the $15/128MB deal going). This system really *needs* more memory. Running PostgreSQL and Apache and mod_perl and HTML::Mason, and I see swapping starting to happen just when the performance suddenly drags horribly (15 seconds to serve a page sometimes. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 12:23:55 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: Strong points of Exchange (was: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers) In-Reply-To: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu>; from rwh@umn.edu on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:14:12PM -0500 References: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020807124130.A15767@real-time.com> I'm putting this under a different subject, so people can freely delete the entire thread if they like. :) > From a corporate point of view Exchange is a pretty sweet setup. In > addition to integrating e-mail, address book and scheduling services, it > makes it easy to apply consistent policies across the company. If the > legal weenies say that internal e-mails should be archived for 6 months > and external e-mails for 3 years, Exchange can do that for you. If you > want deleted messages to be available for recovery for 45 days, Exchange > can do that as well. Of course it integrates into the existing MS > security model for dealing with authenticating users and assigning > privileges, and it can provide access to pop/imap clients and web > browsers as well. This is one of the most reasoned arguments I've heard in favor of Exchange. Thank you. :) my main concerns with Exchange are: a. it stores its messages in binary database files; so I can't readily use tools like grep, grepmail, procmail, vi, and logrotate to manage them. :) b. from what I hear, these files get corrupted on a regular basis; and they take *forever* to fix. I know of an administrator who has a quad xeon box, just for rebuilding corrupt Exchange databases. (and it still takes many hours to rebuild them). c. I've seen Exchange spontaneously change settings without telling the administrator; such as opening itself up as a relay for the world. (this seems to be on a par with other MS products, and the primary reason I gave up Windows). does anyone have reasonable responses for these? (of course, reason d. is that 'it only runs on Windows'; but I want to just examine the application here, not the underlying OS). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dante at plethora.net Wed Aug 7 12:37:16 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > Remember that Ximian's business is providing a solid desktop application > environment for Linux. Building a desktop client that is compatible with > Exchange is far more consistent with their goals than building a > replacement for Exchange itself. Having an Exchange compatible client is > a *huge* step in making Linux a workable desktop replacement in a > corporate environment. >[heavy clippage] Exactly. This is the mindset to which I refer. If you assume that you cannot replace Exchange you don't even try. Fortunately, there are apparently projects out there that are trying to do just that, so maybe there is hope on that front... > > Dan Taylor wrote: > > >Can't see the forest for that big tree in front of them I'd bet. > >Seriously, from what I've heard from people who've used Outlook, Evolution > >is about as close to a verbatim clone as you can get. With the mindset > >that develops an application that way, you don't deviate from the > >model in any significant way. > > > > > >On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > > > > > >>What I don't understand is Ximian is apparently working hard on making > >>Evolution talk to Exchange, but why aren't they making their own > >>Evolution Serverthingy? They have the client, they just need the server. ;P > >> From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 12:38:16 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: Strong points of Exchange (was: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers) In-Reply-To: <20020807124130.A15767@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > a. it stores its messages in binary database files; so I can't readily > use tools like grep, grepmail, procmail, vi, and logrotate to manage > them. :) > > b. from what I hear, these files get corrupted on a regular basis; and > they take *forever* to fix. I know of an administrator who has a quad > xeon box, just for rebuilding corrupt Exchange databases. (and it > still takes many hours to rebuild them). (note, never touched exchange myself; these are based on what other people have said) Both of these are addressed if you set up the message store to be an SQL server, or so someone said earlier this week on the list. > c. I've seen Exchange spontaneously change settings without telling > the administrator; such as opening itself up as a relay for the world. > (this seems to be on a par with other MS products, and the primary > reason I gave up Windows). Yup, seen this one too. Good argument for throwing a sendmail box with mimedefang (spamassassin and virus filtering.. without touching windows!) in front of the exchange server. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Wed Aug 7 12:53:48 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? References: Message-ID: <3D51676D.4040707@indivisuallearning.com> PC133 is supposed to be completely backward compatible with PC100 (I'm sure there are some exclusions to that rule given the tendency of some chipsets to suck). Are you sure it's PC100 though? Not PC66 or some such... sim From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 7 12:54:32 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? Message-ID: I think PC133, PC100, and PC66 are all SDRAM, and not FP or EDO at all. They may share the same package (DIMM), but are different enough that they won't play nice together. It may be worth your while to buy a new mainboard and processor (along with the RAM) than to buy the stuff you need for the Vetix: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodel.asp?cat=RAM&mfr=Micron+PC&productline=Vetix&submit=Go >>> dd-b@dd-b.net 08/07/02 12:46PM >>> This system really *needs* more memory. Running PostgreSQL and Apache and mod_perl and HTML::Mason, and I see swapping starting to happen just when the performance suddenly drags horribly (15 seconds to serve a page sometimes. From joelr at ellegon.com Wed Aug 7 12:55:11 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: Strong points of Exchange (was: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers) In-Reply-To: <20020807124130.A15767@real-time.com> References: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> <20020807124130.A15767@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208071338.46607.joelr@ellegon.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 August 2002 12:41 pm, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > my main concerns with Exchange are: > a. it stores its messages in binary database files; so I can't > readily use tools like grep, grepmail, procmail, vi, and logrotate to > manage them. :) > Yup. And that's by design -- Microsoft doesn't want to make it easy for people to use "viral" tools to manipulate "its" data. There's many good reasons why they should move it to XML -- but that would make life easier for people trying to get interoperability, and Microsoft isn't big on interoperability. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9UWk2y9b1AU6SGNkRAr03AJ0dRJgl2zvglco2jxUNoC4WB5R02ACguUrV 6nTQVpO1DMD2Yse6G6UFppc= =9RNE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 7 13:14:21 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? References: Message-ID: <021301c23e42$bf2cc0a0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> There is a known issue on some older Pentium 2 mainboards (Dells in particular). They don't like the PC100 DIMMS, as they only take standard 66 MHz SDRAM. A BIOS update was all that is needed in most cases to make it work. Check you BIOS and see if it is at the latest level. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dyer-Bennet" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? > Generally I thought you could, other things being equal. I'm trying > to upgrade a Micron Vetix server that says it takes fast-page or EDO > DRAM in DIMM sockets, with sizes up to 128MB. But the two 128MB PC133 > DIMMs I've installed aren't recognized. The initial 128MB (as 4 > sticks of 32MB each) are still recognized, and the system still runs, > but without the new memory. > > It says that the "example configurations" are just examples, not the > full set of valid configurations -- but the exact one I'm using, 4 > 32MB sticks in banks 0-3, 2 128MB sticks in banks 4 and 5, *is* one of > the examples, so it's not that I'm falling afoul of the legals ways to > combine memory sizes. > > Of course this system was made before PC133, so if that doesn't > reliably work that could be the problem. > > Anybody want to trade two PC133 sticks of 128MB each for PC100 sticks? > (These are new from General Nanosystems, back when they had the > $15/128MB deal going). > > This system really *needs* more memory. Running PostgreSQL and Apache > and mod_perl and HTML::Mason, and I see swapping starting to happen > just when the performance suddenly drags horribly (15 seconds to serve > a page sometimes. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test > John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Aug 7 13:49:33 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? In-Reply-To: <021301c23e42$bf2cc0a0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <021301c23e42$bf2cc0a0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > There is a known issue on some older Pentium 2 mainboards (Dells in > particular). They don't like the PC100 DIMMS, as they only take standard 66 > MHz SDRAM. A BIOS update was all that is needed in most cases to make it > work. Check you BIOS and see if it is at the latest level. Ooh, now *that* sounds promising. I'll check. I'm currently unemployed and have no money to throw at the project, so using the ram I already have is *infinitely* more attractive than replacing the processor and motherboard :-). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 14:27:44 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1028751050.4515.2.camel@dedannshae> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 12:46, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Generally I thought you could, other things being equal. I'm trying > to upgrade a Micron Vetix server that says it takes fast-page or EDO > DRAM in DIMM sockets, with sizes up to 128MB. But the two 128MB PC133 > DIMMs I've installed aren't recognized. The initial 128MB (as 4 > sticks of 32MB each) are still recognized, and the system still runs, > but without the new memory. Both Fast-Page (aka FP) and EDO (Extended Data-Out) DRAM are not the same as SDRAM (at any speed), even though they use the same slot interface. I am pretty sure you will need to get proper EDO (or FP) DRAM to use in that motherboard. -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 15:37:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <20020807110922.F1116@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 11:09:22AM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20020807110922.F1116@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020807161756.S16938@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/drivers.txt.html > > But I would like more information on this. We're currently using uw-imap > and mbox format and I would also like to make concurrent access work. > Anyone have any URLs on how to make the switch? Look at courier-imap and Maildir format. Big o'file stinks when it comes to backing up, distributing via NFS/AFS, and is a PITA when you try to do any sort of cluster solution. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Wed Aug 7 15:37:23 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? References: <1028751050.4515.2.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <3D518F01.1010607@indivisuallearning.com> I thought he was talking about a 72ping/1??pin combo board. i.e. 4 lower slots for 72 pin DIMM's and 2 uper slots for PC66 or what have you. Of course I thought he was refering to FPM/EDO at first too. What exactly does the board support? sim Dave Sherman wrote: > Both Fast-Page (aka FP) and EDO (Extended Data-Out) DRAM are not the > same as SDRAM (at any speed), even though they use the same slot > interface. I am pretty sure you will need to get proper EDO (or FP) DRAM > to use in that motherboard. > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 15:39:19 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchange server!!! In-Reply-To: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu>; from rwh@umn.edu on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:14:12PM -0500 References: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020807162143.T16938@real-time.com> Quoting Richard Hoffbeck (rwh@umn.edu): > From a corporate point of view Exchange is a pretty sweet setup. In > addition to integrating e-mail, address book and scheduling services, it > makes it easy to apply consistent policies across the company. If the > legal weenies say that internal e-mails should be archived for 6 months > and external e-mails for 3 years, Exchange can do that for you. If you > want deleted messages to be available for recovery for 45 days, Exchange > can do that as well. Of course it integrates into the existing MS > security model for dealing with authenticating users and assigning > privileges, and it can provide access to pop/imap clients and web > browsers as well. How would the above be done with open source tools? Have to write some procmail receipes? Anything other solutions? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Aug 7 15:41:48 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? In-Reply-To: <021301c23e42$bf2cc0a0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <021301c23e42$bf2cc0a0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > There is a known issue on some older Pentium 2 mainboards (Dells in > particular). They don't like the PC100 DIMMS, as they only take standard 66 > MHz SDRAM. A BIOS update was all that is needed in most cases to make it > work. Check you BIOS and see if it is at the latest level. It wasn't, and updating went okay (I'm always a bit nervous reprogramming system-critical flash memory!). Unfortunately it didn't *help*. Ah, well, you win a few, you lose a few. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 7 16:14:00 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accounting Package on *nx In-Reply-To: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net>; from devel_support@crlc.net on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:22PM -0500 References: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20020807165247.A16508@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > Hey list, > > Does anyone know of an Out-of-the-Box Accounting Package that would run on > *nx? well, here are some ideas: http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0225.xterminal13.html (haven't read it yet, and I'd take the author with a heavy grain of salt) www.osas.com -- I used to administrate an installation of this. it's very functional; tho the user interface occasionally leaves something to be desired. even tho it runs on linux; it may still require 'scoansi' terminal emulation. it's kind of pricey (I think our 5-user licence was $12,000; but don't quote me on that, and I know their pricing structure has changed recently, so check them out); but it scales happily to hundreds of thousands of accounts. There used to be some company called 'Custom Choice' that advertised in Linux Journal; but I didn't think too highly of their website. they looked like they had a lot of features; but I never tried their stuff. There's also a company called 'Appgen' who advertised in LJ; I think someone in the LUG has actually worked with their software, but I don't remember clearly. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Aug 7 16:19:29 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accounting Package on *nx In-Reply-To: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net> References: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20020807220843.GA8939@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > Hey list, > > Does anyone know of an Out-of-the-Box Accounting Package that would run on > *nx? > > Must do: > 1) Third party payer and tracking (Customer buys/owns the widget, Business > fixes widget but bills someone else) > 2) Serialized Inventory / Tracking (Widget has a serial number) > 3) Workorder/Service-Order and tracking of service based upon the serialized > inventory sold/serviced > 4) Under $10,000.00 > > All I know of is "My Books" and it won't do what needs to be done. > > Thanks, > > Carl Lindgren > C. R. Lindgren Consulting > Minneapolis, MN > Disclaimer: I do not use or know *anything* about accounting packages. With that out of the way, how about sql-ledger (www.sql-ledger.com) or NOLA (nola.noguska.com)? -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Aug 7 16:37:34 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? In-Reply-To: <3D518F01.1010607@indivisuallearning.com> References: <1028751050.4515.2.camel@dedannshae> <3D518F01.1010607@indivisuallearning.com> Message-ID: Simeon Johnston writes: > I thought he was talking about a 72ping/1??pin combo board. > i.e. 4 lower slots for 72 pin DIMM's and 2 uper slots for PC66 or what > have you. > Of course I thought he was refering to FPM/EDO at first too. > > What exactly does the board support? It says here "either fast page mode (FPM) or extended data out (EDO) 3.3V 60ns DRAMS mounted on JEDEC DIMMs". But just before that I may have found the actual problem -- "supports from 16MB to 1GB of ECC memory". I'll bet the ECC requirement is what I'm actually having trouble with. The other description I looked at didn't specify ECC. (It's the dual Pentium Pro motherboard in a Micron Vetix LXI-N server box; I *think* it's an intel BB440FX board actually. Anyway, it has 8 DIMM slots, each of which can hold up to a 128MB dimm.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 7 16:39:56 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing to remote server In-Reply-To: <20020807124557.B15767@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > so this is just one of the little idiot-boxes that has a parallel > port on one side and ethernet on the other? No, they're both on the same side (: It IS petty brain-dead. Talks a hell of a lot of protocols, though. > make one of the working boxes your print server, and have it spool > for the Lexmark box? If I had a machine that was up all the time AND was working, I'd just do it from there. > hmmm. so why do you take down the other machines? One's my workstation which (A) Occasionally boots into Windows to play games, and (B) Hangs a lot. The other is Linux on my wife's machine, which I only did to see if it'll work. That box is usually Windows. I have since tried to get this to work on a SPARC/Linux box, but I get the same errors and symptoms (essencially, NOTHING gets sent to the network). > personally, my solution to this was to get rid of the printer, That doesn't really help. I just got this printer. I don't know what you have at work, but all I have is a colour laser. Colour lasers make great visio diagrams, but crappy photos. An HP Deskjet 3820 doesn't cost a lot and prints amazing quality photos if you feed it right. -Yaron -- From rwh at umn.edu Wed Aug 7 16:51:15 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchange server!!! References: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> <20020807162143.T16938@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D51A13A.4070301@umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Richard Hoffbeck (rwh@umn.edu): > > >> From a corporate point of view Exchange is a pretty sweet setup. In >>addition to integrating e-mail, address book and scheduling services, it >>makes it easy to apply consistent policies across the company. If the >>legal weenies say that internal e-mails should be archived for 6 months >>and external e-mails for 3 years, Exchange can do that for you. If you >>want deleted messages to be available for recovery for 45 days, Exchange >>can do that as well. Of course it integrates into the existing MS >>security model for dealing with authenticating users and assigning >>privileges, and it can provide access to pop/imap clients and web >>browsers as well. >> >> > >How would the above be done with open source tools? > Its not hard to get sendmail to a divert a copy of all mail to an admin account where you could run it through procmail to separate it into different archive queues. Where it gets tricky is when you have a bunch of attributes that apply to a user and you need to apply the all rules that apply to each of those attributes. An example might be that all internal mail is kept for 6 months while internal mail involving someone in sales is kept for 12 months. You need some way to determine if anyone involved with the message is in sales. Exchange can do something like this fairly easily because the user/group/security model is a lot richer than the one in 'stock' Unix. I would expect that LDAP could be configured to provide the same type of information that the MS domain model provides. You'd definitely want to build a tool to manage the LDAP data for the mail archiving, and at the least, a simple tool for defining rules in terms of the data available from the database. IIRC, there are also PAM modules that can work against a couple of the SQL servers so that would be a reasonable way to go as well. The undelete functionality is a bit harder. It's pretty simple with Exchange because the messages are stored in SQL Server. When I delete a message, its gone from Outlook, but it can stay in the database for whatever period the administrator chooses in case I made a mistake. That's much harder with the standard pop/imap servers, but would be a pretty easy fix if an imap server was running against postgres or mysql. You'd also want the calendar application to run against the same user/security database as the mail server so that you could control who gets to see/schedule your time, resources, etc. For example, at my last job I could schedule a meeting room, but only a receptionist could schedule a conference room, or projector, etc. The big advantage that MS has in this area is that everything integrates against their domain user/security model and that makes the administrator's life much easier. Unix has greatly expanded the options for authenticating users but the security model hasn't changed much in the last 20 years, i.e. user-group-world, and the whole user-group thing is pretty lame. Systems like AIX beef that up a bit by supporting access control lists but you still don't have the flexibility of putting together hierarchies of users & groups that meaningfully describe your organization. Supposedly the next major kernel release is suppose to provide hooks that will let people plug in alternative security providers which is a good first step towards providing a centralized resource for managing user/groups/privileges/etc. --rick From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 7 21:59:13 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <1028777791.4003.2.camel@tolkien> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be nice to make windows use UTC, but if it's not possible I suppose setting the timezone to GMT would work just as well (sans the fact that the displayed time will be for a different timezone). Any suggestions? --Nathan Davis From myok at ogzr.org Wed Aug 7 22:47:49 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accounting Package on *nx In-Reply-To: <20020807165247.A16508@real-time.com> References: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net> <20020807165247.A16508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1028781461.1724.4.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 16:52, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > > Hey list, > > > > Does anyone know of an Out-of-the-Box Accounting Package that would run on > > *nx? > > There's also a company called 'Appgen' who advertised in LJ; I think > someone in the LUG has actually worked with their software, but I don't > remember clearly. > Yep, I helped convert my old company's DOS-based CYMA accounting package to Appgen running on SCO Unix (Linux is also supported). It was a very positive experience overall; the software and back-end database was easily customizable and the Appgen client would run in either straight terminal emulation or as a "smart" client with some GUI features. Support is provided entirely by the reseller, so choose your reseller carefully. -- Carl Patten From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Aug 8 00:19:36 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (karl bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <20020806172914.GA15954@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:29:14PM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> <20020806172914.GA15954@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020808003022.A3241@duron.turboland.com> I figured out what is happening with my big file transfers. I'm pushing the file from a Duron 750Mhz box to a Cyrix 300Mhz box. The faster machine swamps out the slower one which then drops frames. The default NFS timeout doesn't handle this well, while a TCP transfer has a more aggressive/shorter timeout. My throughput tests didn't take into account the disk IO activity so showed much better capability. Concerning my whining about NFS hanging on me, this appears to be me doing something stupid. It only happens if I have a client box try and access a server that has been disconnected. Then the client app hangs, and when I shut down it will hang forever at "Unmounting NFS filesystems" stage. I also found that if I kill the "login" process associated with the app that hangs, then it will shut down fine. On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:29:14PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > > statelessness is only a matter of degree. > > If its so state-less then how come my machine hangs > > on some NFS daemon when I go to shut-down after forgetting to > > close up a NFS connection? Geez, thats annoying. > > Because you asked it to read something from that server and it is doing > just that: sending requests to that server. > > > Anyone know some configuration magic to avoid this? > > Anyway to gracefully deal with this when it happens without > > just slamming power off? > > RTFM: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/client.html > > florin > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 8 06:29:22 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org><002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com><1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028777791.4003.2.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <003601c23ed5$13f49f30$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Pefect. I use fetchmail to get mail from works Exchange server (via IMAP) and I use it to grab other email. It all gets filtered into various mailboxes using procmail. I use postfix to run mail for my domain and deliver to individual Maildir. I read it all in an organized way via IMAP to my home machine over an SSL tunnel. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Mitchell To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP Ok, perhaps I can shed a little more light on my situation. My mail account is @tc.umn.edu, so maybe someone has some familiarity with the way they do things. Here's an idea: I could set up fetchmail on my box and get everything from tc.umn.edu via POP3. I could then run imap service from this box so I can see my email from work. I wouldn't have to worry about disk space (except for my own, of which there's plenty) either. Eh? EM On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 09:55, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Uhm -- I believe MBX is mailbox format and that is the problem this guy is having. It does not support concurrent access because imapd is started via inetd for each access. Courier runs as a daemon and can handle any number of connections (more or less). As far as inodes go, it is up to the admin to setup the filesystem to handle that. You could use a different filesystem or perhaps format the partition with lots of inodes. I can say that I have had no trouble with inodes. All my mail drops into Maildir on my /home partition and it works great. I set quotas accordingly. Visi.com runs Courier IMAP on their primary mail cluster without trouble or incident. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP > On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 07:33, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. In other words, cease using the > > Washington University wu-imap and instead use Courier. This runs as a > > daemon and will handle multiple connections to the same mailbox at the same > > time. It also has its own POP3 daemon if you want to enable it. > > Or, stop wasting your inodes and use MBX[*] with uw-imapd. I only use > Maildir on the client side because offlineimap forces me to. I should > look into running a local imapd instance and port offlineimap to talk > MBX too. Maildir sucks. Slow. MUA's don't act the same compared to > mbox or imap. Eats inodes. > > [*] Offer not valid on NFS. > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 8 08:00:59 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <20020807161756.S16938@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:56PM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20020807110922.F1116@real-time.com> <20020807161756.S16938@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020808083953.T1116@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:17:56PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > > http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/drivers.txt.html > > > > But I would like more information on this. We're currently using uw-imap > > and mbox format and I would also like to make concurrent access work. > > Anyone have any URLs on how to make the switch? > > Look at courier-imap and Maildir format. Big o'file stinks when it comes to > backing up, distributing via NFS/AFS, and is a PITA when you try to do any sort > of cluster solution. I know I could use courier-imap and maildir. That's not what I want to do. If I can use uw-imap and this mbx format (as opposed to mbox), it seems like it'd be an easier switch. That's what I want information on. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe time to find someone to trade that ram for some EDO/FPM ECC ram... sim David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > It says here "either fast page mode (FPM) or extended data out (EDO) > 3.3V 60ns DRAMS mounted on JEDEC DIMMs". But just before that I may > have found the actual problem -- "supports from 16MB to 1GB of ECC > memory". I'll bet the ECC requirement is what I'm actually having > trouble with. The other description I looked at didn't specify ECC. > > (It's the dual Pentium Pro motherboard in a Micron Vetix LXI-N server > box; I *think* it's an intel BB440FX board actually. Anyway, it has 8 > DIMM slots, each of which can hold up to a 128MB dimm.) From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 8 08:22:23 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? References: <1028751050.4515.2.camel@dedannshae> <3D518F01.1010607@indivisuallearning.com> <3D527527.6050309@indivisuallearning.com> Message-ID: <007701c23ee4$da2f8c50$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Ebay. http://makeashorterlink.com/?M4A623871 Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] So *can* you use PC133 memory in a PC100 system? > EDO/FPM is NOT PC*. They are not/have never been compatible as far as I > know. > There was one board I worked with a while back that took any type of ram > via a BIOS setting but that isn't what your talking about. > I'm guessing it's just not compatible. > Note that PC100 is <=10ns. 60ns isn't even PC66 IIRC. > I just don't think it will work. > > Maybe time to find someone to trade that ram for some EDO/FPM ECC ram... > > sim > > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > It says here "either fast page mode (FPM) or extended data out (EDO) > > 3.3V 60ns DRAMS mounted on JEDEC DIMMs". But just before that I may > > have found the actual problem -- "supports from 16MB to 1GB of ECC > > memory". I'll bet the ECC requirement is what I'm actually having > > trouble with. The other description I looked at didn't specify ECC. > > > > (It's the dual Pentium Pro motherboard in a Micron Vetix LXI-N server > > box; I *think* it's an intel BB440FX board actually. Anyway, it has 8 > > DIMM slots, each of which can hold up to a 128MB dimm.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 8 08:34:39 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <20020808083953.T1116@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:39:56AM -0500 References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20020807110922.F1116@real-time.com> <20020807161756.S16938@real-time.com> <20020808083953.T1116@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020808091520.D24192@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > I know I could use courier-imap and maildir. That's not what I want to > do. If I can use uw-imap and this mbx format (as opposed to mbox), it > seems like it'd be an easier switch. That's what I want information on. Well! Put me in my place! :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From devel_support at crlc.net Thu Aug 8 08:36:24 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC References: <3D51EB9F.D6128D9A@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <041701c23ee8$057873b0$1025a8c0@crlc.net> What OS? If its Win2000 or higher, yes, there is a service (SNTP) that can pull time and date sync from the internet. Its required in w2k because of Microsoft's implementation of kerberos v5. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechn ol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/wintime.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnw2kmag01/ html/TimeWin2K.asp http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q224799& http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q262680& http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1769.txt?number=1769 ************* Hope this helps ************* Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Davis" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC > This is off-topic, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to make windows > make sense of a hardware clock set to UTC. I have a laptop that's dual > bootable, and the Linux side uses NTP to synchronize the time, so > setting the hardware clock to UTC makes a lot of sense. However, > Windows then displays very wierd time and I can't use AFS (in windows) > because of the "time difference". It would be nice to make windows use > UTC, but if it's not possible I suppose setting the timezone to GMT > would work just as well (sans the fact that the displayed time will be > for a different timezone). Any suggestions? > > --Nathan Davis > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From davisn at mailandnews.com Thu Aug 8 10:10:53 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC References: <3D51EB9F.D6128D9A@mailandnews.com> <041701c23ee8$057873b0$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <3D529519.D3E5732@mailandnews.com> Sorry, should have specified this before. It's Windows ME. Thanks for the info, though. --Nathan Davis Carl Lindgren wrote: > What OS? If its Win2000 or higher, yes, there is a service (SNTP) that can > pull time and date sync from the internet. Its required in w2k because of > Microsoft's implementation of kerberos v5. > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechn > ol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/wintime.asp > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnw2kmag01/ > html/TimeWin2K.asp > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q224799& > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q262680& > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1769.txt?number=1769 > > ************* > Hope this helps > ************* > > Carl Lindgren > C. R. Lindgren Consulting > Minneapolis, MN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Davis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:55 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC > > > This is off-topic, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to make windows > > make sense of a hardware clock set to UTC. I have a laptop that's dual > > bootable, and the Linux side uses NTP to synchronize the time, so > > setting the hardware clock to UTC makes a lot of sense. However, > > Windows then displays very wierd time and I can't use AFS (in windows) > > because of the "time difference". It would be nice to make windows use > > UTC, but if it's not possible I suppose setting the timezone to GMT > > would work just as well (sans the fact that the displayed time will be > > for a different timezone). Any suggestions? > > > > --Nathan Davis > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020808/f66816dd/attachment.html From davisn at mailandnews.com Thu Aug 8 10:28:49 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> <20020806172914.GA15954@iucha.net> <20020808003022.A3241@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <3D5296D8.7B419FAD@mailandnews.com> karl bongers wrote: > I figured out what is happening with my big file transfers. > I'm pushing the file from a Duron 750Mhz box to a Cyrix 300Mhz > box. The faster machine swamps out the slower one which then > drops frames. The default NFS timeout doesn't handle this > well, while a TCP transfer has a more aggressive/shorter timeout. > My throughput tests didn't take into account the disk IO activity > so showed much better capability. > The server (the faster box if I'm interpretting this right) should only be sending data in response to read requests from the client. Therefore, I don't think this should be a problem. If the client is getting can't keep up, then it should throttle back on sending requests. Packets could be dropped, however, if the server is being swamped with requests. > > Concerning my whining about NFS hanging on me, this appears to > be me doing something stupid. It only happens if I have a > client box try and access a server that has been disconnected. > Then the client app hangs, and when I shut down it will hang > forever at "Unmounting NFS filesystems" stage. > I also found that if I kill the "login" process associated with the > app that hangs, then it will shut down fine. > I think it may shutdown by itself, but just take a very long time (because of the long time-out period). Maybe not, though if files on the share are currently "in use" by the client. > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:29:14PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > > > statelessness is only a matter of degree. > > > If its so state-less then how come my machine hangs > > > on some NFS daemon when I go to shut-down after forgetting to > > > close up a NFS connection? Geez, thats annoying. > > > > Because you asked it to read something from that server and it is doing > > just that: sending requests to that server. > > > > > Anyone know some configuration magic to avoid this? > > > Anyway to gracefully deal with this when it happens without > > > just slamming power off? > > > > RTFM: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/client.html > > > > florin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 8 10:36:41 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP In-Reply-To: <1028777791.4003.2.camel@tolkien> References: <1028694773.869.2.camel@thurber.erikmitchell.org> <002901c23e0e$ae972340$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028729387.15426.78.camel@runabout> <00c101c23e22$7b54cb40$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <1028777791.4003.2.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <1028819111.22354.4.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 22:36, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Here's an idea: I could set up fetchmail on my box and get everything > from tc.umn.edu via POP3. I could then run imap service from this box so > I can see my email from work. I wouldn't have to worry about disk space > (except for my own, of which there's plenty) either. Yeah, I did that for a while, but I ended up making problems for mysef due to the previously mentioned concurrency issues. (that, and the fact that the IMAP clients I'd tried didn't seem to work very well) I'd like to try doing that again at some point. I've been surviving by running remote X sessions with Evolution running on top of mlview-dxpc, but that's pretty painful. Note: The UMN servers also support pop3s and imaps (connections over SSL). You should probably enable that if you haven't already. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I conquered. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ -- Tux \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've managed 'complicated' situations with user/group and netgroup files. Generally, if you need to be so fine grained that enhanced models are important, its not very hard to implement it at the application level with netgroups as the base. Stating that the operating system requires hooks to achieve this god-in-a-can effect is really not the only way to go about this. Writing an application to scan all drives for mailspools (or whatever format mail is stored in) and then pattern matching against all people involved isn't that horribly hard. Neither is deleting the message out of that 'folder'. If you have a unix systems administrator who can't figure this out in about a week at worst, they aren't systems administrating. Hell, one of our student workers wrote a tool to do about half of this in a day, I think. The undelete thing is easily handled in clients by causing deleted messages to be hidden and configuring the IMAP server to never accept expunge requests. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From devel_support at crlc.net Thu Aug 8 11:58:50 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC References: <3D51EB9F.D6128D9A@mailandnews.com> <041701c23ee8$057873b0$1025a8c0@crlc.net> <3D529519.D3E5732@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <042e01c23f03$d2857a90$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Then try this: http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/3000-2381-2767555.html?tag=lst-0-4 Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Davis To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC Sorry, should have specified this before. It's Windows ME. Thanks for the info, though. --Nathan Davis Carl Lindgren wrote: What OS? If its Win2000 or higher, yes, there is a service (SNTP) that can pull time and date sync from the internet. Its required in w2k because of Microsoft's implementation of kerberos v5. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechn ol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/wintime.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnw2kmag01/ html/TimeWin2K.asp http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q224799& http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q262680& http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1769.txt?number=1769 ************* Hope this helps ************* Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Davis" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows and Hardware clock in UTC > This is off-topic, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to make windows > make sense of a hardware clock set to UTC. I have a laptop that's dual > bootable, and the Linux side uses NTP to synchronize the time, so > setting the hardware clock to UTC makes a lot of sense. However, > Windows then displays very wierd time and I can't use AFS (in windows) > because of the "time difference". It would be nice to make windows use > UTC, but if it's not possible I suppose setting the timezone to GMT > would work just as well (sans the fact that the displayed time will be > for a different timezone). Any suggestions? > > --Nathan Davis > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020808/d4b41d0d/attachment.html From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Aug 8 12:45:36 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why my NFS is so darn slow In-Reply-To: <3D5296D8.7B419FAD@mailandnews.com>; from davisn@mailandnews.com on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:05:44AM -0500 References: <20020804234345.A1578@duron.turboland.com> <36556.137.16.119.88.1028560156.squirrel@www.fandre.com> <20020806100637.A9601@localhost.localdomain> <3D4FF3C2.FF821B49@mailandnews.com> <20020806121202.A9762@localhost.localdomain> <20020806172914.GA15954@iucha.net> <20020808003022.A3241@duron.turboland.com> <3D5296D8.7B419FAD@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <20020808132744.A4409@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:05:44AM -0500, Nathan Davis wrote: > karl bongers wrote: > > I figured out what is happening with my big file transfers. > > I'm pushing the file from a Duron 750Mhz box to a Cyrix 300Mhz > > box. The faster machine swamps out the slower one which then > > drops frames. The default NFS timeout doesn't handle this > > well, while a TCP transfer has a more aggressive/shorter timeout. > > My throughput tests didn't take into account the disk IO activity > > so showed much better capability. > The server (the faster box if I'm interpretting this right) should only be > sending data in response to read requests from the client. Therefore, I don't > think this should be a problem. If the client is getting can't keep up, then > it should throttle back on sending requests. Packets could be dropped, > however, if the server is being swamped with requests. No, the slower box is running the NFS daemons(server), the fast box is remote mounting the IDE drive and then copying the file. I'll try it the other way around tonight just for curiousity sake. On the slow box I swapped NIC cards, tried a crossover cable, all act similiarly(dropped frames periodically during the transfer). > > Concerning my whining about NFS hanging on me, this appears to > > be me doing something stupid. It only happens if I have a > > client box try and access a server that has been disconnected. > > Then the client app hangs, and when I shut down it will hang > > forever at "Unmounting NFS filesystems" stage. > > I also found that if I kill the "login" process associated with the > > app that hangs, then it will shut down fine. > I think it may shutdown by itself, but just take a very long time (because of > the long time-out period). Maybe not, though if files on the share are > currently "in use" by the client. When mounting you can use a "intr" option, which allows apps to be interrupted/killed, otherwise they wait forever. The way I tested it was to disconnect the ethernet, then do a "ls /mnt/nfs_box". The app then hangs. Without "intr" option, you can't kill it. After I kill the "login" process associated with it, I was able to shutdown. After killing "login", "ls" still appears in the list from ps -e, and you still can't kill it(yet shutdown works fine). Maybe its a zombie process? I believe at least once that it had waited all night long without shutting down(waiting for the umount). #### Skuby Doo and the pengiun kill the zombie process #### From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Aug 8 12:58:42 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync syntax Message-ID: I want to use rsync to backup a machine (we'll call it escher) to my fileserver. I'd like to use ssh as the transport. I really don't need to in this situation, but I'd like to just to learn how. I've got ssh behaving like I would like (i.e., can connect from the fileserver to escher using a DSA key file without supplying a password). I need to initiate the connection from the fileserver as there is a firewall between the two boxes that prevents escher from initiating a connection to the fileserver. I could change this with some ipf rule changes, but I'd rather not. What I'm getting hung up on is the significance of the slashes for rsync, and the --exclude syntax. My goal is to backup the entire escher machine to the fileserver, with the exception of any .journal files, the /tmp directory, and the /proc directory. I think that I can run this command from the fileserver and do what I want: rsync -e ssh -avz --exclude '.journal /tmp /proc' --delete escher:/. \ /backup/escher/monday It's this part of the rsync man page that I'm finding confusing: " rsync -avz foo:src/bar/ /data/tmp a trailing slash on the source changes this behavior to transfer all files from the directory src/bar on the machine foo into the /data/tmp/. A trailing / on a source name means "copy the contents of this directory". Without a trailing slash it means "copy the directory". This difference becomes particularly important when using the --delete option." If I understand this correctly, if I just use 'escher:/' as the source then I'll get the files in the root of the system, but it won't be recursive. Based on that I'm guessing that I either need to use 'escher:/.' or 'escher:.' to rsync the entire system. Also, I'm not clear on the --exclude syntax. The man pages don't provide an example for excluding multiple files, or directories at all for that matter. If the exclude statement that I've got above won't work, could I use something like: --exclude '.journal' --exclude '/tmp' --exclude '/proc' Thanks for any help, Jeff From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 8 13:22:51 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync syntax In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:37:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020808140459.Z1116@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:37:16PM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) wrote: > > I want to use rsync to backup a machine (we'll call it escher) to my > fileserver. I'd like to use ssh as the transport. I really don't need to > in this situation, but I'd like to just to learn how. > > I've got ssh behaving like I would like (i.e., can connect from the > fileserver to escher using a DSA key file without supplying a password). > > I need to initiate the connection from the fileserver as there is a > firewall between the two boxes that prevents escher from initiating a > connection to the fileserver. I could change this with some ipf rule > changes, but I'd rather not. > > What I'm getting hung up on is the significance of the slashes for rsync, > and the --exclude syntax. > > My goal is to backup the entire escher machine to the fileserver, with the > exception of any .journal files, the /tmp directory, and the /proc > directory. > Also, I'm not clear on the --exclude syntax. The man pages don't provide > an example for excluding multiple files, or directories at all for that > matter. If the exclude statement that I've got above won't work, could I > use something like: > > --exclude '.journal' --exclude '/tmp' --exclude '/proc' > You can also use a file that lists everything thta you want to exclude: rsync --exclude-from='exclude_file' I found that easier than trying to put it all on the command line. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020808/339f0a55/attachment.pgp From linuxguy at geesper.com Thu Aug 8 13:34:01 2002 From: linuxguy at geesper.com (linuxguy@geesper.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Taking over a shell session? Message-ID: <3780.168.208.8.243.1028834148.squirrel@www.geesper.com> How can you take over a shell session? For example, if I were to be accessing vi or another editor from work, then go home and ssh into my work machine, can I take over the previous shell session and pick up where I left off? Is there something out there that can do this or a way to manuever this? From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 8 13:54:38 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Taking over a shell session? In-Reply-To: <3780.168.208.8.243.1028834148.squirrel@www.geesper.com> References: <3780.168.208.8.243.1028834148.squirrel@www.geesper.com> Message-ID: <200208081435.48582.list@slushpupie.com> Check out "man screen" and see if that does for you what you want. Jay On Thursday 08 August 2002 2:15 pm, linuxguy@geesper.com wrote: > How can you take over a shell session? > > For example, if I were to be accessing vi or another editor from work, > then go home and ssh into my work machine, can I take over the previous > shell session and pick up where I left off? > Is there something out there that can do this or a way to manuever this? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Aug 8 14:03:03 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Taking over a shell session? In-Reply-To: <3780.168.208.8.243.1028834148.squirrel@www.geesper.com> References: <3780.168.208.8.243.1028834148.squirrel@www.geesper.com> Message-ID: <20020808194703.GA15228@botwerks.org> screen... when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 08, 2002), linuxguy@geesper.com was madly tapping out: > How can you take over a shell session? > > For example, if I were to be accessing vi or another editor from work, > then go home and ssh into my work machine, can I take over the previous > shell session and pick up where I left off? > Is there something out there that can do this or a way to manuever this? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:42 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync syntax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020808202433.GC7966@sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:37:16PM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: >rsync -e ssh -avz --exclude '.journal /tmp /proc' --delete escher:/. \ > /backup/escher/monday rsync -e ssh -avz --exclude=.journal --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/proc \ --delete escher:/. /backup/escher/monday -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is what fdisk reports so you can see what I mean: Disk /dev/sda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2501 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 6 48163+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 7 1725 13807867+ 83 Linux /dev/sda3 2371 2501 1052257+ 82 Linux swap So I want to make sda2 fill the remainder (up to sda3). Any hints? Jay From rwh at umn.edu Thu Aug 8 15:36:04 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchangeserver!!! References: <3D515564.5020702@umn.edu> <20020807162143.T16938@real-time.com> <3D51A13A.4070301@umn.edu> <1028816046.9868.35.camel@runabout> Message-ID: <3D52E0E7.5090408@umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: >On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 17:37, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > > > >>internal mail is kept for 6 months while internal mail involving someone >>in sales is kept for 12 months. You need some way to determine if anyone >>involved with the message is in sales. >> >> > >Saying this is impossible is like saying the sky is falling. The >god-in-a-can "MS Domain model" isn't that special. I've managed >'complicated' situations with user/group and netgroup files. Generally, >if you need to be so fine grained that enhanced models are important, >its not very hard to implement it at the application level with >netgroups as the base. Stating that the operating system requires hooks >to achieve this god-in-a-can effect is really not the only way to go >about this. > First I didn't say it was impossible. Clearly anyone can whip up a application with varying success that does exactly the same thing. I was providing an example of why some organizations might find Exchange to be a more cost effective since the domain model already contains a large amount of information about their users and user characteristics, and those characteristics are available from a central source. Its not that the MS security model is so good, its that the Unix security model is so bad - actually, dated is probably a better description. There are all sorts of options for authentication, but once the user is logged in, you're back to access control based on rwx/owner-group-world and flat group memberships. It doesn't even support access control lists without patching the system. For a given situation you can create a bunch of groups and assign users to restrict access just the way you want it. The question is whether it makes any sense to administer a system this way. Its cumbersome and error prone. It also requires an administrator to make changes to the groups to effect changes in access permissions where the MS Domain model allows users to change permissions on resources that they own. On a stock Linux install, how do I share a file I own with Bill and Mary without going through root to create a group with two users? At some point we have to start thinking about a richer model of users, groups and access control so that applications that need security services can work in a uniform way. The whole point of putting hooks in the kernel to support 3rd party security modules is to let people experiment with different security models in a way that can be enforced across the entire system rather than within a single application. This is no different than what is going on with the competing approaches to journaling file systems. But the kernel is where access control (such as it is) currently resides and that's where it needs to be fixed. And to make a token attempt to be on topic :-) there was a piece at NewsForge, http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/08/07/2225239.shtml?tid=30 about Samsung Contact, aka HP OpenMail, which quotes Samsung as estimating the TCO of Exchange at $16/user per month and Contact at $9/month per user. --rick From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 8 16:07:46 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Growing Filesystems In-Reply-To: <200208081608.24843.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200208081608.24843.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: Jay Kline writes: > I have a disk that has a bad partition scheme (whos idea was it to make /usr > 20G and /var 300M ???) I managed to get everything onto one partition, so the > other partitions on the disk are now useless. Is there a way I can fill the > partition to take up the empty space? parted can do this sort of thing. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ The commercial product partition magic is rumored to support ext2 partitions in recent versions as well. Personally I've had better luck with parted than partition magic (even using partition magic on Windows partitions). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 8 17:03:34 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring Treo/w treo mail + Linux = ? Message-ID: <20020808174521.Q15509@real-time.com> Anyone have or seen or know if a Handspring Treo + treomail will work with any of the pop servers and smtp server under linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Aug 8 17:21:32 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS X References: <20020728010133.2703.cpmta@c012.snv.cp.net> <20020727214151.G23054@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3D45A052.4070305@indivisuallearning.com> Given everything Steve just said, specifically everything that comes in "the next version" = 10.2 -- Waite until they package 10.2 WITH the system, of course only if your actually buying one from Apple. They are not doing the same thing they did w/ 10.1 i.e. give the update away for free. This will be a paid for update. They should be packaging 10.2 with there new systems soon so you shouldn't have to waite too long. I use 10.1.5 on my Powerbook G3 (Pismo - 400MHz G3 w/ 320MB RAM) and it ROCKS!! You will also definetely need to get FINK installed and running. It's great. Uses the apt-get debian package menagement system and uses it's own directory structure (won't mess w/ OS X at all). There are also GNU curses/ncurses lib's around that I've seen ported. Don't know the versions of those but if those outdated packages are a real problem that might be the way to go. Also, Oroborus has a Mac OS X like scheme. That is the window manager that XonX sends with XDarwin. It's supposed to look just like OS X so your desktop looks the same when you jump into Xwindows (just in case you fella's want the look of a Mac but don't wanna move to the PPC). :-) Just some things I've found on my Mac OS X journy... HTH, sim From rwh at umn.edu Thu Aug 8 18:52:02 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring Treo/w treo mail + Linux = ? In-Reply-To: <20020808174521.Q15509@real-time.com> References: <20020808174521.Q15509@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1028852349.14706.2.camel@bluedell.hoffbeck.com> There's a review of the Internet version of Treo Mail at http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/100-1.htm I've been using a pop client with my 270 to access accounts at Visi and the U and it works reasonably well - at least as well as the Omnisky service worked with my Palm Vx. --rick On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 17:45, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have or seen or know if a Handspring Treo + treomail will work with any > of the pop servers and smtp server under linux? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 8 22:58:23 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: New thread: iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wants anexchangeserver!!! In-Reply-To: <3D52E0E7.5090408@umn.edu> References: <3D515564.502 0702@umn.edu> <20020807162143.T16938@real-time.com> <3D51A13A.4070301@umn.edu> <1028816046.9868.35.camel@runabout> <3D52E0E7.5090408@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1028868102.20621.13.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 16:21, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > stock Linux install, how do I share a file I own with Bill and Mary > without going through root to create a group with two users? Groups still don't get created on a AD without administrator help. Minimally a Trusted User handles those with a delegation of part of the active directory. Sanely, only specific groups are delegated to avoid major systems design issues. So sure, lets assume that the addition and removal of users in a group is now delegated, (Yeah, right, like anyone is going to manage ACLs of specific dispersed files of all users) however the creation and design of groups (domain or globally) are still the responsibility of an administrator at the OU, domain, or global tree level. Unless a whole OU is just given out to a very trusted user for those sorts of things (creating groups), but that would scare too many administrators worth their salt worrying about a sustainable system in the future. I also fear giving this sort of 'power' to people in positions that aren't responsible for data security (if applicable, HIPPA might make it a PITA for administrators to give this up in some environs) or for the power structure of the 'system' to be seperate from the actual 'power structure' in some ways to avoid stupid-user-battles. Of course, the latter could easily be worked out with decent event logging and auditing. (Perhaps forwarding the audit logs to said users bosses to mitigate evil blame from them if something stupid does happen.) Delegating control can be a powerful tool, but I believe it can, in many cases, become more of a pain and a liability of 'image' to 'higher ups' when stuff happens. There's something to be said about being directly responsibile. The richer model right now has the (good) ability of providing seperate permissions per object. The problem in the UNIX world right now is that there is no definate standard to do this that interoperates with NFS. Of course, I can't speak for AFS. Nor can I wonder if AFS has enough API hooks for applications to reap the benefits of such a thing. I should look sometime. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 8 22:59:00 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Handspring Treo/w treo mail + Linux = ? In-Reply-To: <20020808174521.Q15509@real-time.com> References: <20020808174521.Q15509@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1028868195.20621.16.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 17:45, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have or seen or know if a Handspring Treo + treomail will work with any > of the pop servers and smtp server under linux? I really like papimail on the palm platform. It does a really good job with IMAP with SSL and SMTP. (I think, for some reason, it didn't do SMTP auth. wacky) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From rwh at umn.edu Fri Aug 9 08:57:04 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" Message-ID: <3D53D153.2000200@umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: >On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 16:21, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > > > >>stock Linux install, how do I share a file I own with Bill and Mary >>without going through root to create a group with two users? >> >> > >Groups still don't get created on a AD without administrator help. >Minimally a Trusted User handles those with a delegation of part of the >active directory. Sanely, only specific groups are delegated to avoid >major systems design issues. So sure, lets assume that the addition and >removal of users in a group is now delegated, (Yeah, right, like anyone >is going to manage ACLs of specific dispersed files of all users) >however the creation and design of groups (domain or globally) are still >the responsibility of an administrator at the OU, domain, or global tree >level. Unless a whole OU is just given out to a very trusted user for >those sorts of things (creating groups), but that would scare too many >administrators worth their salt worrying about a sustainable system in >the future. > > You're right about the group creation - it was a bad example on my part. A better example would have been the simple case where I want to permit access to a file for a specific user, or different access to the same file to several different users. On system that support ACL's, including the Windows Domain model, the owner of the file can change the security on the object if they have privileges to manage their own objects. >I also fear giving this sort of 'power' to people in positions that >aren't responsible for data security (if applicable, HIPPA might make it >a PITA for administrators to give this up in some environs) or for the >power structure of the 'system' to be seperate from the actual 'power >structure' in some ways to avoid stupid-user-battles. Of course, the >latter could easily be worked out with decent event logging and >auditing. (Perhaps forwarding the audit logs to said users bosses to >mitigate evil blame from them if something stupid does happen.) >Delegating control can be a powerful tool, but I believe it can, in many >cases, become more of a pain and a liability of 'image' to 'higher ups' >when stuff happens. There's something to be said about being directly >responsibile. > > I agree completely - especially that HIPPA is going be to one of those 'you may experience some slight discomfort' momements. But many large corporations already have distributed responsibility for their security administration where someone in HR can grant/revoke some privileges. Someone in finance manages access to financial applications Someone in IT manages access to the e-mail system, and so on. They've done this in the belief that someone in finance, properly trained, is in a better position to serve as a gatekeeper to the financial applications than someone in IT. Maybe, maybe not, we'll have to see. My interest in a more sophisticated security model is to make it more convenient for everyone involved to push security into applications in a way that makes it useful. If e-mail, databases, app servers, etc. all consult a central security service, so user information only resides in one place, the administrators life becomes easier. If application coders can implement security by making a few api calls to verify identity and rights to access a specific resource, they don't each have to code their own security model (cringe :-). If the entire Linux community is running against a couple of well reviewed security models we're likely to all be more secure. And if applications can let users the manage the security of some of their own resources, like access to a schedule, project folder or document, they're better off, the person getting the access is better off and the administrator is better off. >The richer model right now has the (good) ability of providing seperate >permissions per object. The problem in the UNIX world right now is that >there is no definate standard to do this that interoperates with NFS. >Of course, I can't speak for AFS. Nor can I wonder if AFS has enough >API hooks for applications to reap the benefits of such a thing. I >should look sometime. > People have successfully dealt with the issue of distributed security in the past. Kerberos comes to mind (I don't recall if NFS plays with Kerberos or whether you need to use AFS), and the MS security model seems to be pretty close to what I remember VMS using to manage clusters. The big problem with the models I'm aware of is that they have real issues when they have to interact with machines that don't support the same model or even use the same model but work against a different security provider. But the hooks that are slated to show up in the 2.5 kernel will at least let us play with mandatory access control to get some experience with the issues. --rick From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Aug 9 09:27:39 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP Message-ID: Not that it matters, but your account is actually @umn.edu now. NTS migrated off the @tc... about a year ago. btw, hi to everyone, new to the list, etc. etc. -John >>> mitc0185@tc.umn.edu 08/07/02 10:36PM >>> Ok, perhaps I can shed a little more light on my situation. My mail account is @tc.umn.edu, so maybe someone has some familiarity with the way they do things. Here's an idea: I could set up fetchmail on my box and get everything from tc.umn.edu via POP3. I could then run imap service from this box so I can see my email from work. I wouldn't have to worry about disk space (except for my own, of which there's plenty) either. Eh? EM On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 09:55, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Uhm -- I believe MBX is mailbox format and that is the problem this guy ishaving. It does not support concurrent access because imapd is started viainetd for each access. Courier runs as a daemon and can handle any numberof connections (more or less). As far as inodes go, it is up to the adminto setup the filesystem to handle that. You could use a differentfilesystem or perhaps format the partition with lots of inodes. I can saythat I have had no trouble with inodes. All my mail drops into Maildir onmy /home partition and it works great. I set quotas accordingly. Visi.comruns Courier IMAP on their primary mail cluster without trouble or incident.Tom Veldhouse----- Original Message -----From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:09 AMSubject: [TCLUG] Re: Concurrent clients and IMAP> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 07:33, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:> > Try converting to Maildir format from mbox. In other words, cease usingthe> > Washington University wu-imap and instead use Courier. This runs as a> > daemon and will handle multiple connections to the same mailbox at thesame> > time. It also has its own POP3 daemon if you want to enable it.>> Or, stop wasting your inodes and use MBX[*] with uw-imapd. I only use> Maildir on the client side because offlineimap forces me to. I should> look into running a local imapd instance and port offlineimap to talk> MBX too. Maildir sucks. Slow. MUA's don't act the same compared to> mbox or imap. Eats inodes.>> [*] Offer not valid on NFS.>> --> Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/>> _______________________________________________> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,Minnesota> http://www.mn-linux.org> tclug-list@mn-linux.org> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>_______________________________________________Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotahttp://www.mn-linux.orgtclug-list@mn-linux.orghttps://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik Mitchellwww.erikmitchell.orgmitc0185@tc.umn.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020809/05473a61/attachment.htm From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Aug 9 12:34:09 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" In-Reply-To: <3D53D153.2000200@umn.edu> References: <3D53D153.2000200@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1028916584.14840.8.camel@runabout> On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 09:27, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > IT manages access to the e-mail system, and so on. They've done this in > the belief that someone in finance, properly trained, is in a better > position to serve as a gatekeeper to the financial applications than > someone in IT. Maybe, maybe not, we'll have to see. Agreed. It's hard to say without lots of hard experience in it, and I don't know of too many places really talking about the pitfalls yet. I've seen the pitch though. It could be good, it could blow up badly. > People have successfully dealt with the issue of distributed security in > the past. Kerberos comes to mind (I don't recall if NFS plays with > Kerberos or whether you need to use AFS), and the MS security model Theres been some hacks to NFS to support kerberos, but from what I hear AFS is really the way to go, for now. Does anyone else here have good information on this subject? I know at least one of you out there has production AFS servers that they interact with... VMS tho, yikes. I'm not old enough to have worked with one of those. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Aug 9 13:19:45 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" In-Reply-To: <1028916584.14840.8.camel@runabout> Message-ID: On 9 Aug 2002, Scott Dier wrote: [snip] > VMS tho, yikes. I'm not old enough to have worked with one of those. :) Hey now, I last touch a VAX/VMS system in 1995. It's not that long ago... Last I heard (early 1997?), 3M still had a couple. Also, given their popularity with colleges I wouldn't be surprised if they were still fairly common in academic circles. Jeff From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 9 13:56:42 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wierd mozilla problem w/ searching In-Reply-To: <20020730083925.P1296@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:39:26AM -0500 References: <20020729123527.I1296@real-time.com> <20020729164641.B12827@real-time.com> <20020730083925.P1296@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020730103949.S1296@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:39:26AM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > Sure enough, I checked and they are all unchecked now. However, after I > check them, click OK, it still doesn't work. So I looked again, and > they are unchecked again. It's not keeping the changes for some reason. Must be this bugzilla bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108043 I worked around it by creating a user.js file with the following: user_pref("browser.urlbar.autoFill", true); user_pref("browser.urlbar.showPopup", true); user_pref("browser.urlbar.showSearch", true); user_pref("browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped", true); -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020809/536d2882/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 9 20:27:52 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nessus-1.2.4 Message-ID: <20020809212058.F5168@real-time.com> New version of nessus in the greyhatpak. Seems to work great. What is new in Nessus 1.2.4, in comparison to 1.2.3 : # Reverted back to autoconf 2.13. # Bug fix in nessus-core/nessusd/pluginlaunch.c - under some circumstances, data # might have be lost in the reports # Fixed a bug in several plugins for web checks (under some circumstances, a # plugin would do N x N checks against the remote web servers (where N equals to # the number of web servers running on the remote host) # Various small bugfixes Available via apt4redhat # apt-get install greyhatpak -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Aug 10 10:52:57 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: writes: > On 9 Aug 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > > [snip] > > > VMS tho, yikes. I'm not old enough to have worked with one of those. :) > > Hey now, I last touch a VAX/VMS system in 1995. It's not that long ago... > > Last I heard (early 1997?), 3M still had a couple. Also, given their > popularity with colleges I wouldn't be surprised if they were still fairly > common in academic circles. A guy I know online is just finishing reviewing the galleys for his book on running web services on VMS. So I guess not only are they still out there, but a publisher thinks people are still doing some *new* things on them. And another friend just bought several Vaxstation 3100's, I believe it was, at an auction, but he's a known junk collector :-) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 11 17:51:27 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] voice-to-text under linux? Message-ID: <20020811172326.P5168@real-time.com> Was on irc and was talking to Avi about Festival and how it works pretty niffy under linux as a text-to-voice Synthesis System. Anyone know of any voice-to-text software for linux? I know IBM has something, anything in the open source field? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From dante at plethora.net Sun Aug 11 23:21:46 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] voice-to-text under linux? In-Reply-To: <20020811172326.P5168@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Was on irc and was talking to Avi about Festival and how it works pretty niffy > under linux as a text-to-voice Synthesis System. > > Anyone know of any voice-to-text software for linux? > > I know IBM has something, anything in the open source field? > Sphinx2 is a somewhat limited speech recognition engine, but it is open source. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From devel_support at crlc.net Mon Aug 12 09:16:53 2002 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accounting Package on *nx References: <03ac01c23e57$d27fc160$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <001301c24208$798276c0$1025a8c0@crlc.net> Thanks to all that replied - Appgen is a nice package but wouldn't do what needed to be done. I was forced to keep with a Windows based package. Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Lindgren" To: "TCLUG-List" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Accounting Package on *nx > Hey list, > > Does anyone know of an Out-of-the-Box Accounting Package that would run on > *nx? > > Must do: > 1) Third party payer and tracking (Customer buys/owns the widget, Business > fixes widget but bills someone else) > 2) Serialized Inventory / Tracking (Widget has a serial number) > 3) Workorder/Service-Order and tracking of service based upon the serialized > inventory sold/serviced > 4) Under $10,000.00 > > All I know of is "My Books" and it won't do what needs to be done. > > Thanks, > > Carl Lindgren > C. R. Lindgren Consulting > Minneapolis, MN > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuck at redroot.org Mon Aug 12 09:45:29 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Last I heard (early 1997?), 3M still had a couple. Most of them are gone now. NT is the tool to replace everything here. At least in the short term, then other OS'es are considered. Heh. > Also, given their popularity with colleges I wouldn't be surprised if > they were still fairly common in academic circles. I used to manage OpenVMS on a DEC Alpha at UW-Oshkosh, it supported 15,000 E-mail accounts (POP3, webmail, and interactive logins for Pine, etc.) some batch processing, etc. That thing just kept chugging away. This was as recently as the Spring of 2000. I believe it's still the primary campus mail server there. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 12 22:43:29 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat glibc upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020806165405.J5338@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 04:54:05PM -0500 References: <20020806133210.H5338@techmonkeys.org> <20020806165405.J5338@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020812160923.A11924@real-time.com> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:58:47PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > I'm scared of turning over too much of the system maintenance to > > outside programs; I'm always left cleaning up the mess they make, and > > I don't even know what they did. I've vaguely heard of up2date, but I > > thought it was part of the commercial services? > > You're allowed to setup a free account and use it to update your system, > 'priority' access to redhat's server costs $. You might be interested in > using apt, an excellent program finally freed from the world of debian > (joking), upgrading and installing packages is as simple as: > apt-get install > or > apt-get upgrade > > You can also easily upgrade that 7.2 box to 7.3 by using: > > apt-get dist-upgrade there's also a tool called 'grab' (www.runlevelzero.net/grab) which works really well. it's basically a large perl script; and unlike apt4rpm, it generates the dependency/provision databases itself. so you can use it against arbitrary file repositories; and not just apt-ified ones. I've just used it to upgrade a RH 7.2 box to a 7.3 box; and while it wasn't painless (Redhat decided to make some changes like moving files between packages, and changing the version number of one package from 2.2.2 to 1.0.0; which broke things); it does work. it's a convenient for installing packages; and keeping your system up to date. apt4rpm *may* work better for large upgrades; but I've seen apt4rpm broken more often than not... grab at least is a lot easier to beat into submission. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Mon Aug 12 22:43:40 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dictionary and Open Office Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A81C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I installed Mandrake 8.2 and Open office 1.0 (I pretty sure) on my dad's computer. He is trying to get spell check to work. It looks like it is checking the spelling but is not finding miss spelled words. We check to see if the setting was correct for the path to the dictionary, it was. Has anyone else run across this and remembers how they fixed it? TIA John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From jiml at visi.com Wed Aug 14 08:15:12 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test Message-ID: sorry everyone. just a test. James Louis Unix System Administrator Webhelp, Inc. 612.312.0194 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 14 11:44:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, James Louis wrote: > sorry everyone. just a test. s/sorry everyone. just a test./ping/ pong :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 14 14:19:49 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client Message-ID: <20020814135912.W1265@real-time.com> I'm looking for a graphical telnet/ssh client for one of my users. He would like it to be able to store hostnames that he connects to (similar to how secureCRT for Windows does). Does anything like this exist for Linux? I looked at gnome-telnet but it doesn't seem to. Any others? 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Does anything like this exist for Linux? > I looked at gnome-telnet but it doesn't seem to. Any others? > > Thanks. -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 14 16:12:03 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client In-Reply-To: <200208141443.51696.ndavis@iexposure.com>; from ndavis@iexposure.com on Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0500 References: <20020814135912.W1265@real-time.com> <200208141443.51696.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20020814155443.Y1265@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0500, Nick Davis (ndavis@iexposure.com) wrote: > ktelnet is what I use for this. Thanks - looks nice. Wish it worked on kde3 though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 14 16:54:21 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client In-Reply-To: <200208141600.47171.cgahlon@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:00:47PM -0500 References: <20020814135912.W1265@real-time.com> <200208141600.47171.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20020814163530.A1265@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:00:47PM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon (cgahlon@citilink.com) wrote: > On Wednesday 14 August 2002 01:59 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > > I'm looking for a graphical telnet/ssh client for one of my users. He > > would like it to be able to store hostnames that he connects to (similar to > > how secureCRT for Windows does). Does anything like this exist for Linux? > > I looked at gnome-telnet but it doesn't seem to. Any others? > > > SecPanel works great! > > Has Agent and key management support too. 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I'm not old enough to have worked with one of those. :) > > Hey now, I last touch a VAX/VMS system in 1995. It's not that long ago... > > Last I heard (early 1997?), 3M still had a couple. Also, given their > popularity with colleges I wouldn't be surprised if they were still fairly > common in academic circles. They still exist in academic cirles, but are becoming less common. Bemidji State had one, and the Physics Dept. at the U still may have one. > Message: 5 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Thread changed: Was "iCal servers [WAS] Help! The boss wantsanexchangeserver!!!" > From: David Dyer-Bennet > Date: 10 Aug 2002 11:42:02 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > A guy I know online is just finishing reviewing the galleys for his > book on running web services on VMS. So I guess not only are they > still out there, but a publisher thinks people are still doing some > *new* things on them. VMS is also being ported to the Itanic. (Boy, is that like putting lipstick on a pig!) It is one of DEC\CED\Compaq\qapmoC\HP's most profitable divisions. Miracles of stealth marketing. > And another friend just bought several Vaxstation 3100's, I believe it > was, at an auction, but he's a known junk collector :-) I have 15 to 20 and a few DECstation (MIPS/unix boxen) in the basement here. Been salvaging them. Here's the kicker -- and the Linux related part of this post: Linux will finally boot on the VAX (a little over a year now). See http://linux-vax.sourceforge.net/ Then if you want to try playing with Linux (or NetBSD) on a *real* computer ;), let me know. As much as I love them all, I won't be able to keep the whole litter forever. (What better hardcore Linux thing than to port to a new arch?) Cheers, Phil -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 14 17:50:03 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client In-Reply-To: <20020814163530.A1265@real-time.com> References: <20020814135912.W1265@real-time.com> <200208141600.47171.cgahlon@citilink.com> <20020814163530.A1265@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208141738.08653.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 14 August 2002 4:35 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:00:47PM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon (cgahlon@citilink.com) wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 August 2002 01:59 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > I'm looking for a graphical telnet/ssh client for one of my users. He > > > would like it to be able to store hostnames that he connects to > > > (similar to how secureCRT for Windows does). Does anything like this > > > exist for Linux? I looked at gnome-telnet but it doesn't seem to. Any > > > others? > > > > SecPanel works great! > > > > Has Agent and key management support too. > > This is nice but it doesn't seem to support telnet and the user needs > telnet to get to some routers that don't yet support ssh. Is there any > way to support telnet through a plug-in? Maybe a few hacks? Option 1: Set up an identity key in ssh that executes telnet, then just "telnet to localhost" using that key Option 2: Create a user on that host whos shell is telnet This dosnt store hosts nicely, though. Jay From mbrowne at attbi.com Wed Aug 14 22:10:54 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IE and ssl security flaw. Message-ID: <001f01c24408$18882d40$1e02a8c0@zippy> I suspect that a high percentage of this list amy want to know about yet another Microsoft security bug. This time, the problem is with how they do SSL. Read all about it here: http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=726894 Mark Browne From peter-clark at bethel.edu Wed Aug 14 22:11:28 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lookin' for Knoppix Message-ID: <200208142131.03309.peter-clark@bethel.edu> I tried sending this message a couple of days ago, but it didn't go through. It will probably re-surface in a couple of months, obligating me to send a "Never mind!" message, but in the meantime, I'll just repeat my request. Would someone (preferably close to Fridley) be willing to burn a copy of the latest version of Knoppix? The mirror list is at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html. We're a one-car family, so I could only pick it up in the evening. Would be willing to exchange a blank CD-R. Please respond off-list. Thanks! :Peter From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Aug 14 22:59:02 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Speech Standard. Message-ID: <200208142247.18411.cgahlon@citilink.com> I've got some Digital Speech Standard (.DSS) files I'd like to play back without having to swap to the winderz disk for my laptop. I've done a search of sourceforge, freshmeat, and google and I can't find a single player that supports DSS files that runs on linux. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From mcnixon at mchsi.com Thu Aug 15 01:00:22 2002 From: mcnixon at mchsi.com (mcnixon@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! Message-ID: <20020815054956.KKVE7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc02> I was fooling around with my grub.conf file and I thought I'd try "hide(hd0,3)" which is of course my extended partition, which includes /boot (in the 8th partition) and /boot/grub/grub.conf So when I rebooted I got a Grub Error 22 (No such partition) in stage 2. Is there some way for me to get into the grub shell and easily undo this (with a unhide(hd0,3) command perhaps)? Anything else I might try to recover my extended partition? (I have the important stuff backed up if I need to start from scratch). Thanks, Mike Nixon From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 15 06:38:16 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! In-Reply-To: <20020815054956.KKVE7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc02> References: <20020815054956.KKVE7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc02> Message-ID: <20020815110318.GA17966@iucha.net> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:49:56AM +0000, mcnixon@mchsi.com wrote: > I was fooling around with my grub.conf file and I > thought I'd try "hide(hd0,3)" which is of course my > extended partition, which includes /boot (in the 8th > partition) and /boot/grub/grub.conf > So when I rebooted I got a Grub Error 22 (No such > partition) in stage 2. > Is there some way for me to get into the grub shell and > easily undo this (with a unhide(hd0,3) command perhaps)? > > Anything else I might try to recover my extended > partition? > (I have the important stuff backed up if I need to start > from scratch). Do you have grub on a floppy? Boot off that. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020815/a62bff9e/attachment.pgp From scotty at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 15 07:24:31 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (scotty@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel panic Message-ID: <3D5B9B50.70504@cloudnet.com> Help, I messed up. I have a dual boot workstation with Redhat 7.2 and W2k. Yesterday I applied sp3 to W2k and ran Partition Magic's drive mapper (changing the mapping of the a W2k drive from an E to G). Now I can not start RedHat. I get a message stating; Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel I have tried the linux rescue option on the install disk. I have looked at my lilo.conf and tried to run lilo but I get a message that states that it can not find /etc/lilo.conf even after running 'chroot /mnt/sysimage'. What suggestions do you have? Do I hve to reinstall the OS? Thanks -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From bgilbertson at stonel.com Thu Aug 15 07:38:26 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! References: <20020815054956.KKVE7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc02> Message-ID: <3D5B9C00.30500@stonel.com> Mike, I'd try a bootdisk, Tom's comes to mind, http://www.toms.net/rb/ then use fdisk or parted to unhide the partition. Unless grub has changed its config from version I'm using, I think the file you want is /boot/grub/menu.lst, not /boot/grub/grub.conf. Alternatively, grub has a nice command editor built in, you might try a bootdisk with grub on it and use the editor to unhide the partition. Didn't see grub or parted listed on Tom's tho :-( Bob mcnixon@mchsi.com wrote: > I was fooling around with my grub.conf file and I > thought I'd try "hide(hd0,3)" which is of course my > extended partition, which includes /boot (in the 8th > partition) and /boot/grub/grub.conf > So when I rebooted I got a Grub Error 22 (No such > partition) in stage 2. > Is there some way for me to get into the grub shell and > easily undo this (with a unhide(hd0,3) command perhaps)? > > Anything else I might try to recover my extended > partition? > (I have the important stuff backed up if I need to start > from scratch). > > Thanks, > Mike Nixon From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 15 08:08:40 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <3D5B9B50.70504@cloudnet.com> References: <3D5B9B50.70504@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <200208150755.40049.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 15 August 2002 7:15 am, scotty@cloudnet.com wrote: > Help, I messed up. > > I have a dual boot workstation with Redhat 7.2 and W2k. Yesterday I > applied sp3 to W2k and ran Partition Magic's drive mapper (changing the > mapping of the a W2k drive from an E to G). Now I can not start RedHat. Is this all on one drive? Or multiple drives? Where is Linux installed on the drive? > I get a message stating; > > Kernel panic: No init found. > Try passing init= option to kernel I got this error once when I forgot to put in the initrd image. I think it can also happen when you use initrd, and / cant be mounted (is this correct?) > I have tried the linux rescue option on the install disk. I have looked > at my lilo.conf and tried to run lilo but I get a message that states > that it can not find /etc/lilo.conf even after running 'chroot > /mnt/sysimage'. > > What suggestions do you have? Do I hve to reinstall the OS? I assume that since you took a look at the file, everything looks ok in it. Try using the -v option to get more output about whats going on. Also, try lilo -v -C /etc/lilo.conf and see if that helps. Another one to try before you chroot is lilo -v -r /mnt/sysimage From mcnixon at mchsi.com Thu Aug 15 08:22:23 2002 From: mcnixon at mchsi.com (mcnixon@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! Message-ID: <20020815131212.LTKG7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc03> > > Anything else I might try to recover my extended > > partition? > > (I have the important stuff backed up if I need to start > > from scratch). > > Do you have grub on a floppy? Boot off that. > > florin I do have a grub boot floppy, but it is looking for my grub.conf on the 8th partition (part of what's hidden). I think the error comes up before I have had a chance to get to the grub shell. Is there a way I can change this boot disk to not look there? Mike From alcyone at slava.net Thu Aug 15 08:53:00 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING POLL (*not* beermeeting today) Message-ID: <20020815133553.GA3660@sadalbari> I set up a poll with two purposes in mind. 1. A couple of beermeeting regulars (including myself of course) won't be able to make it on Thursdays anymore, so I want to see how many people care what day it is and which day is best for everyone. There could be a large number of you who won't go on any day other than Thursday, or a large number who have been waiting for it to be any day other than Thursday, so I want to see all this. If everyone wants to keep it, that's fine, but I'll be turning over the planning duties to someone who can actually go. 2. I want to see which places everyone does and does not like to go for beermeetings. Just because I had a good time doesn't mean everyone else hated it, so I want to see what everyone thinks to help me or the new planner plan. I listed a few I could think of, and if you think of one I left out, feel free to email me your comments about wherever. If a new planner is elected, I'll pass on the info. Thanks for your help! Lorry From scotty at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 15 10:09:42 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (scotty@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel panic References: <3D5B9B50.70504@cloudnet.com> <200208150755.40049.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3D5BC106.3090807@cloudnet.com> Jay Kline wrote: > Is this all on one drive? Or multiple drives? Where is Linux installed on the > drive? Yes, this is all on one drive. lilo is installed in the MBR. The /boot partition is on hda4. Here is part of my lilo.conf file; LILO version 21.4-4 Reading boot sector vrom /dev/hda merging with /boot/boot.0 mapping message file: /boot/message boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.2-2 added linux.bak boot other: /dev/hda2, on /dev/hda, loader /boot/chain.d added nt mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.9-34.img added linux * Here is the partition layout; 31MB EISA Configuration 55MB /boot hda4 9.77GB /usr hda6 5.86GB /home hda7 3.91GB /var hda8 2.98GB / hda9 1.95GB /tmp hda10 1004MB swap 1.95GB C: system 3.91GB D: 5.86GB G: > I got this error once when I forgot to put in the initrd image. I think it can > also happen when you use initrd, and / cant be mounted (is this correct?) The initrd image is in the lilo.conf listing. > I assume that since you took a look at the file, everything looks ok in it. > Try using the -v option to get more output about whats going on. Also, try > > lilo -v -C /etc/lilo.conf > > and see if that helps. Another one to try before you chroot is > > lilo -v -r /mnt/sysimage I tried both of these with no effect. Attached is a copy of the partition list from the W2k machine. The reason I got this is I wanted to add more free space to the C: drive. Thanks -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Thu Aug 15 10:20:04 2002 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Willenbring, Daniel J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys access point web configuration Message-ID: I've been trying to access the web configuration tool on my linksys access point from Linux (the devices IP is 192.168.1.1). I can ping it fine and if I plug it into the real network I can browse the web and ping all the other PCs, but I can't access the http://192.168.1.1 page to login. It works fine from windows XP running mozilla, but not debian running mozilla, it just hangs there trying to load the page and then times out. Does anyone have one of these and might give me some advice on what settings I should check? Thanks, Dan From bfriedman at excite.com Thu Aug 15 10:25:32 2002 From: bfriedman at excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Dec Alphas Message-ID: <20020815151045.7876DE629@xprdmailfe28.nwk.excite.com> [I tried posting this once before, but I didn't see it on the archives or digest mailings, so I am resubmitting it.] I have an AlphaServer 300 4/266 with no hard drive. The machine powers up, and seems to be running ok, but I don't have the root password. (I think it is running Tru64 Unix.) My question is about the hard drive - the box doesn't have one, and I'm not so familiar with scsi hard drives. I found a spec sheet for this model online, which says that the internal scsi controller is a: fast narrow single edged scsi-2 controller with dma The hard drives that could be ordered for this box were: PBXRZ-EB 1.05 GB 8-bit narrow 5400 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI hard disk drive (RZ26N) PBXRZ-JC 2.1 GB 8-bit narrow 7200 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI disk drive (RZ28L) PBXRZ-NB 4.3 GB 8-bit narrow 7200 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI hard disk drive (RZ29L) Could someone with scsi hardware experience point me toward a cable for this beast? I don't know the scsi variations to know what I need. Also, any suggestions on used drives that would work would be appreciated. I primarily want to get the machine running to see how it performs as a server (the spec says it has 2mb of secondary cache), and because I first learned "real" programming on a DEC (a pdp11-23 ;) Any help/suggestions would be appreciated. Brent Friedman ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020815/4efeb119/attachment.htm From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 15 10:59:47 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys access point web configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208151047.02947.list@slushpupie.com> Those stupid Linksys web admin pages are broken. Make sure you have the latest firmware version on the Linksys, and make sure you use Mozilla 1.0 or above. That combo works on my Debian system. Jay On Thursday 15 August 2002 10:05 am, Willenbring, Daniel J. wrote: > I've been trying to access the web configuration tool on my linksys access > point from Linux (the devices IP is 192.168.1.1). I can ping it fine and > if I plug it into the real network I can browse the web and ping all the > other PCs, but I can't access the http://192.168.1.1 page to login. > > It works fine from windows XP running mozilla, but not debian running > mozilla, it just hangs there trying to load the page and then times out. > > Does anyone have one of these and might give me some advice on what > settings I should check? > > Thanks, > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Aug 15 11:29:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Speech Standard. In-Reply-To: <200208142247.18411.cgahlon@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:47:18PM -0500 References: <200208142247.18411.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20020815111855.J24439@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:47:18PM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > I've got some Digital Speech Standard (.DSS) files I'd like to play back > without having to swap to the winderz disk for my laptop. Unfortunately it's not a 'Standard', it's Olympus's proprietary format. Your best bet might be running their application in wine, otherwise it looks like you're stuck doing it on a windows machine. You could also try shooting off an email to one of the XMMS mailing lists to see if someone is interested in reverse engineering it =) > > I've done a search of sourceforge, freshmeat, and google and I can't find a > single player that supports DSS files that runs on linux. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Chris -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 15 11:47:39 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] YAPHPNH Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB0F7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wow, that subject looks remarkably like some of the spam I get, but it actually stands for "Yet Another PHPNuke Hole". Yes boys and girls, here it is for your enjoyment, another hole in the seemingly most insecure web portal software available: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/287496/2002-08-12/2002-08-18/0 We were due for another since it's been more than a week since the last one. Chances are that anything based on PHPNuke code (PostNuke) is probably also vulnerable. BTW, is anyone using any good portal/blogging software written in PHP that hasn't had a huge history of security holes? Jay From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Aug 15 11:48:29 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING POLL (*not* beermeeting today) In-Reply-To: <20020815133553.GA3660@sadalbari> References: <20020815133553.GA3660@sadalbari> Message-ID: <20020815163501.GM28057@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 08:35:53AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >I set up a poll with two purposes in mind. > >1. A couple of beermeeting regulars (including myself of course) won't be >able to make it on Thursdays anymore, so I want to see how many people care >what day it is and which day is best for everyone. There could be a large >number of you who won't go on any day other than Thursday, or a large >number who have been waiting for it to be any day other than Thursday, so I >want to see all this. If everyone wants to keep it, that's fine, but I'll >be turning over the planning duties to someone who can actually go. > I for one will find a way to go on whatever day is decided upon. I really enjoy the bi-weekly meetings. I do prefer the places that 1) have more than just old-old-old people as patrons 2) have wireless Inet 3) have tab b33r 4) are somewhat central I am in no way volunteering to organize these meetings. My hat is off to Lory and Jacque for all their respective efforts. Maybe we can just pick a dozen or so places and put them in a database and have it select the place for us. Just a thought. Happy drinking... >2. I want to see which places everyone does and does not like to go for >beermeetings. Just because I had a good time doesn't mean everyone else >hated it, so I want to see what everyone thinks to help me or the new >planner plan. I listed a few I could think of, and if you think of one I >left out, feel free to email me your comments about wherever. If a new >planner is elected, I'll pass on the info. > >Thanks for your help! > >Lorry >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can ping it fine and if >I plug it into the real network I can browse the web and ping all the other >PCs, but I can't access the http://192.168.1.1 page to login. > >It works fine from windows XP running mozilla, but not debian running >mozilla, it just hangs there trying to load the page and then times out. > >Does anyone have one of these and might give me some advice on what settings >I should check? I don't have a solution to get the web interface to work, I don't have any linksys Ap's. However, there are some snmp utilities that are quite robust. One of these is a winders based utility for Atmel based AP's. The other (**warning it does not always write data properly**) is an Atmel utility for these guys that runs on Linux. The linux app is far supperior IMHO, but it is still kind of buggy. I have been burned twice now trying to write my changes to the AP (it just does it spuriosly as it would seem.) The winders utilitly is solid and gives you extra functionality and control when compared to the manufactures utilities. The linux utility has more monitoring features that are very nice (i.e. Rx and Tx stats for the eth and wireless ports etc...) YMMV http://www.natecarlson.com/wireless/wap11/utility/SNMPV1743.exe ^^^winders util ...thx Nate http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/ap-utils/ap-utils_1.0 .4.orig.tar.gz ^^^Linux side Happy H4X0r'n > >Thanks, >Dan >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to play with Geeklog...I don't know it's recent security history, though. http://geeklog.sourceforge.net/ -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From chuck at redroot.org Thu Aug 15 12:09:07 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING POLL (*not* beermeeting today) In-Reply-To: <20020815163501.GM28057@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: What places around the cities have both wireless Inet and good beer? A place like that might be a good waste of time and money (and probably brain cells)...Ah...the delights of a fresh-poured Guinness and a fat network pipe... -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 15 12:11:37 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <3D5BC106.3090807@cloudnet.com> References: <3D5B9B50.70504@cloudnet.com> <200208150755.40049.list@slushpupie.com> <3D5BC106.3090807@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20020815154322.GE6271@sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:56:06AM -0500, scotty@cloudnet.com wrote: >Jay Kline wrote: >>Is this all on one drive? Or multiple drives? Where is Linux installed on >>the drive? Sounds to me as if partition tragic has b0rken your partition table. Try to boot with a rescue disk and mount each of your partitions. This should lead you to which partition is incorrect. Also it will let you copy off any data you can salvage in case you decide to reinstall. > >Yes, this is all on one drive. lilo is installed in the MBR. The /boot >partition is on hda4. > >Here is part of my lilo.conf file; > > LILO version 21.4-4 > Reading boot sector vrom /dev/hda > merging with /boot/boot.0 > mapping message file: /boot/message > boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.2-2 > added linux.bak > boot other: /dev/hda2, on /dev/hda, loader /boot/chain.d > added nt > mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.9-34.img > added linux * > >Here is the partition layout; > > 31MB EISA Configuration > 55MB /boot hda4 > 9.77GB /usr hda6 > 5.86GB /home hda7 > 3.91GB /var hda8 > 2.98GB / hda9 > 1.95GB /tmp hda10 > 1004MB swap > 1.95GB C: >system > 3.91GB D: > 5.86GB G: > >>I got this error once when I forgot to put in the initrd image. I think it >>can also happen when you use initrd, and / cant be mounted (is this >>correct?) > >The initrd image is in the lilo.conf listing. > >>I assume that since you took a look at the file, everything looks ok in it. >>Try using the -v option to get more output about whats going on. Also, try >> >>lilo -v -C /etc/lilo.conf >> >>and see if that helps. Another one to try before you chroot is >> >>lilo -v -r /mnt/sysimage > >I tried both of these with no effect. > >Attached is a copy of the partition list from the W2k machine. The >reason I got this is I wanted to add more free space to the C: drive. > >Thanks > >-- >cYa > >John > >Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! > "Jimmy V" > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A couple of beermeeting regulars (including myself of course) > won't be able to make it on Thursdays anymore, so I want to see how > many people care what day it is and which day is best for everyone. > There could be a large number of you who won't go on any day other > than Thursday, or a large number who have been waiting for it to be > any day other than Thursday, so I want to see all this. If everyone > wants to keep it, that's fine, but I'll be turning over the planning > duties to someone who can actually go. I'm one of the 'can't make Thursday at all' crowd - I could make some Mondays, no Tuesdays, most Wednesdays. Weekends get interesting (defined as 6PM Friday - 6AM Monday). > 2. I want to see which places everyone does and does not like to go > for beermeetings. Just because I had a good time doesn't mean > everyone else hated it, so I want to see what everyone thinks to > help me or the new planner plan. I listed a few I could think of, > and if you think of one I left out, feel free to email me your > comments about wherever. If a new planner is elected, I'll pass on > the info. As long as they carry Diet Coke, I'm happy! I don't consume alchohol - wreaks too much havoc on my diet. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From alcyone at slava.net Thu Aug 15 14:07:26 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING POLL (*not* beermeeting today) In-Reply-To: <20020815172231.GG5283@fireopal.org> References: <20020815133553.GA3660@sadalbari> <20020815172231.GG5283@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020815185841.GA1461@sadalbari> Yes, I conveniently left this part out of my original message. Too early in the morning... oops. www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting has the link to the poll on the bottom of the page Lorry What a fine Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:22:31PM -0500 it was when Scott Raun said: > Is this supposed to be a web poll, or are you just asking here? If > web - URL? I couldn't find it off or www.mn-linux.org. From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Thu Aug 15 17:04:07 2002 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! In-Reply-To: <3D5B9C00.30500@stonel.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Unless grub has changed its config from version I'm using, I > think the file you want is /boot/grub/menu.lst, not > /boot/grub/grub.conf. On my Red Hat 7.2 system, I believe one of these is simply a link to the other. This may say more about Red Hat than anything else, I suppose. R From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 15 17:23:49 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! In-Reply-To: <20020815131212.LTKG7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc03>; from mcnixon@mchsi.com on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 01:12:12PM +0000 References: <20020815131212.LTKG7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc03> Message-ID: <20020815171213.A5469@real-time.com> > I do have a grub boot floppy, but it is looking for my > grub.conf on the 8th partition (part of what's hidden). > I think the error comes up before I have had a chance to > get to the grub shell. so if you boot off the floppy, you get an error immediately; before it gives you a menu (where you can edit the command by pressing 'e'), or a command line? Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From rummey at black-hole.com Thu Aug 15 18:08:17 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question Message-ID: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> Hello group, I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? THANKS! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I might have to drop any checking of osirusoft relay lists.. they seem to be unreliable..). > SPAM: Content analysis details: (9.9 hits, 5 required) > SPAM: FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES (-0.1 points) From: no spaces in name > SPAM: RATWARE (2.0 points) Bulk email software fingerprints found in headers > SPAM: FORGED_RCVD_FOUND (0.0 points) Possibly-forged 'Received:' header found > SPAM: SUPERLONG_LINE (0.4 points) BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long > SPAM: FROM_NAME_EQ_FROM_ADDR (2.6 points) 'From:' address also used as sender's real name > SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (2.0 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com > SPAM: [RBL check: found 10.75.236.63.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.4] > SPAM: X_OSIRU_SPAM_SRC (3.0 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Spam Source Anywho.. > I have an AlphaServer 300 4/266 with no hard drive. The machine > powers up, and seems to be running ok, but I don't have the root > password. (I think it is running Tru64 Unix.) > > My question is about the hard drive - the box doesn't have one, and > I'm not so familiar with scsi hard drives. Hmm. Do you actually get to a login prompt? I think there must be a hard drive in there somewhere if you do. Otherwise, you're probably just seeing the prompt for the boot prom (Alphas and other non-Intel hardware have vastly more intelligent boot loaders than PCs). > I found a spec sheet for this model online, which says that the > internal scsi controller is a: fast narrow single edged scsi-2 > controller with dma > > The hard drives that could be ordered for this box were: > PBXRZ-EB 1.05 GB 8-bit narrow 5400 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI hard disk drive (RZ26N) > PBXRZ-JC 2.1 GB 8-bit narrow 7200 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI disk drive (RZ28L) > PBXRZ-NB 4.3 GB 8-bit narrow 7200 RPM 3.5 x 1" SCSI hard disk drive (RZ29L) If this box has an external SCSI connector, I think it'd probably be easier to dig up some random hard drive on eBay or someplace. I know we have lots of old 5.25" narrow drives at work in enclosures. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Destroying / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Intellectual Property since \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) 1991 [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020815/77b61bbe/attachment.pgp From mcnixon at mchsi.com Thu Aug 15 23:47:57 2002 From: mcnixon at mchsi.com (mcnixon@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! Message-ID: <20020816041508.RUSJ23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@sccqwbc01> > > I do have a grub boot floppy, but it is looking for my > > grub.conf on the 8th partition (part of what's hidden). > > I think the error comes up before I have had a chance to > > get to the grub shell. > > so if you boot off the floppy, you get an error immediately; before it gives > you a menu (where you can edit the command by pressing 'e'), or a command > line? Yes it looks like this: ...last line of BIOS/hardware stuff GRUB _ ...And that _ is flashing ...last line of BIOS/hardware stuff GRUB Loading Stage 1.5. GRUB loading, Please Wait... Error 22 ...and that's it. Mike From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Aug 16 01:54:51 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian query Message-ID: <20020816024200.GB10565@fireopal.org> I'm being lazy... Now that Woody has been released as stable, can I just change all the "testing" strings in sources.list to "stable", and proceed onward from there? I want to give sarge a couple of months before I upgrade to it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Aug 16 07:52:38 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian query In-Reply-To: <20020816024200.GB10565@fireopal.org> References: <20020816024200.GB10565@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020816123929.GA20349@isis.visi.com> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:42:00PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > > Now that Woody has been released as stable, can I just change all the > "testing" strings in sources.list to "stable", and proceed onward from > there? I usually use the release names. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 16 10:42:07 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian query In-Reply-To: <20020816024200.GB10565@fireopal.org> References: <20020816024200.GB10565@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <1029506529.474.36.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 21:42, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm being lazy... > > Now that Woody has been released as stable, can I just change all the > "testing" strings in sources.list to "stable", and proceed onward from > there? Well, testing has continued on past where Woody is. A few months back, I went and changed all of our systems to say `woody' rather than `testing', though now I'll probably go through and change most of those to `stable'. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Was it somebody's cruel / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ idea to put an `S' in the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) word `lisp'? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020816/20f1b978/attachment.pgp From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Aug 16 12:10:57 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> no - the c67x family doesn't support snmpv3. not a whole lot of devices do actually unless there's well a defined need for the partitioning capability that SNMPv3 provides. there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't know if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might want to consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code you're running when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 15, 2002), Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > Hello group, > > I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 > and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) > and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am > successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always > return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can > snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. > Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From alcyone at slava.net Fri Aug 16 13:30:26 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING POLL (*not* beermeeting today) In-Reply-To: <20020815185841.GA1461@sadalbari> References: <20020815133553.GA3660@sadalbari> <20020815172231.GG5283@fireopal.org> <20020815185841.GA1461@sadalbari> Message-ID: <20020816163359.GA3619@sadalbari> I made a follow-up poll, because the checkbox questions don't work on the original poll.* If you voted in the first poll, please check out the follow-up poll, also linked from the beermeeting page. If you haven't voted yet, please do both. Lorry * Only the last checkbox is getting counted, so there is an obvious skew toward the days later in the week, and it still says 0 answers for Monday, though I know for a fact there were at least a handful. Please spare the lectures about writing my own cgi :-P What a fine Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 01:58:41PM -0500 it was when Lorry said: > Yes, I conveniently left this part out of my original message. Too early > in the morning... oops. > > www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting has the link to the poll on the bottom of the > page > > Lorry From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Aug 16 15:13:09 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Secure Shell (PC) to Linux - logon problems Message-ID: <006201c24561$2970fc90$0201a8c0@office> I have downloaded and installed SSH Secure Shell (non-commercial version) for Win2000. I want to use it to log onto my Linux Server, transfer files, etc. I have no problems logging in with my Linux user name and password. I "thought" I should be able to ssh to the Linux box and login without having to use a password every time. On the linux box (RH7.2) I have sshd running. I have fun the PC version, generated public and private keys, uploaded the public key to my acct, and it still asks for the password. Fundamentally, what am I missing here? I am assuming I have something setup improperly on the Linux box that requires me to use additional authentication. I have examined the sshd_config and ssh_config ... not sure what I should have there. Any suggestions or thoughts on where to look would be greatly appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020816/9db73cc4/attachment.htm From rummey at black-hole.com Fri Aug 16 15:47:17 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> Last night I saw a release note from the 2.4.2 version of the OS and it said it fixed a flaw in 2.4.1 (which I have) where the SNMP agent would send zeroes for several OIDs. Ok, so that's my problem and I've downloaded version 2.4.2. I don't have a means of connecting a serial cable and upgrading through the management port. Anyone have any hints on how to do it through TFTP? I know TFTP is insecure so I wouldn't run it long, but do I do the following... Turn on a TFTP server on a linux box that has the version image Login to the cisco modem through telnet and run TFTP pointing at my linux box. Is that all I need to do? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve ulrich" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question > no - the c67x family doesn't support snmpv3. not a whole lot of > devices do actually unless there's well a defined need for the > partitioning capability that SNMPv3 provides. > > there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't know > if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might want to > consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code you're running > > when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 15, 2002), > Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > > Hello group, > > > > I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 > > and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) > > and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am > > successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always > > return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can > > snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. > > Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? > > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 16 15:52:04 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Secure Shell (PC) to Linux - logon problems In-Reply-To: <006201c24561$2970fc90$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Fundamentally, what am I missing here? I am assuming I have something > setup improperly on the Linux box that requires me to use additional > authentication. I have examined the sshd_config and ssh_config ... not > sure what I should have there. > > Any suggestions or thoughts on where to look would be greatly > appreciated! Right off the bat I'd guess these things: Does ~/.ssh/ have the permissions 700? (`chmod 700 ~/.ssh`) Is your public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (for SSH1) or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 (SSH2)? If the problem is neither of those, try shutting down sshd and re-running it with the debug flag (`sshd -d` as root). This might give you a little more insight to the problem. Hope this helps. Jima From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Aug 16 15:55:19 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Secure Shell (PC) to Linux - logon problems In-Reply-To: <006201c24561$2970fc90$0201a8c0@office> References: <006201c24561$2970fc90$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: "Randy Clarksean" writes: > I have downloaded and installed SSH Secure Shell (non-commercial > version) for Win2000. I want to use it to log onto my Linux Server, > transfer files, etc. I have no problems logging in with my Linux > user name and password. I "thought" I should be able to ssh to the > Linux box and login without having to use a password every time. > > On the linux box (RH7.2) I have sshd running. I have fun the PC > version, generated public and private keys, uploaded the public key > to my acct, and it still asks for the password. > > Fundamentally, what am I missing here? I am assuming I have > something setup improperly on the Linux box that requires me to use > additional authentication. I have examined the sshd_config and > ssh_config ... not sure what I should have there. Nope, that's working normally. If you want you can add public key authentication, and place your public identity in the Linux box, and *then* you will be able to log in without further authentication from a system you have the private key for that identity on. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Aug 16 16:14:48 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <20020816210328.GA4793@botwerks.org> cco is your friend. here are the instructions for upgrading your modem. serial and tftp. you actually run the tftp server on the modem. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbo230rn.htm#xtocid2270219 having the serial upgrade procedure on hand is a good thing too. alternatively, Q has a gui based tool for upgrading the c67x family that you can download from their web site. this includes the latest version of code. 2.4.3. when last we saw our hero (Friday, Aug 16, 2002), Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > Last night I saw a release note from the 2.4.2 version of the OS and it said > it fixed a flaw in 2.4.1 (which I have) where the SNMP agent would send > zeroes for several OIDs. Ok, so that's my problem and I've downloaded > version 2.4.2. I don't have a means of connecting a serial cable and > upgrading through the management port. Anyone have any hints on how to do > it through TFTP? > > I know TFTP is insecure so I wouldn't run it long, but do I do the > following... > > Turn on a TFTP server on a linux box that has the version image > Login to the cisco modem through telnet and run TFTP pointing at my linux > box. > > Is that all I need to do? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve ulrich" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question > > > > no - the c67x family doesn't support snmpv3. not a whole lot of > > devices do actually unless there's well a defined need for the > > partitioning capability that SNMPv3 provides. > > > > there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't know > > if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might want to > > consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code you're running > > > > when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 15, 2002), > > Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > > > Hello group, > > > > > > I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 > > > and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) > > > and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am > > > successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always > > > return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can > > > snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. > > > Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? > > > > > > > -- > > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 16 16:37:59 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts Message-ID: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> I recently installed StarOffice 6.0 and am trying to view some MS Word documents. In one particular document, the font is Times New Roman. When I open it in SO, all the apostrophes show up as question marks. I noticed SO indicates the font as Times. If I change the font to any other font, the apostrophes show up correctly. Thinking this was a font problem, I scanned my box for any *.ttf files. I did find some in /usr/local/staroffice6.0/share/fonts/truetype/ but none that look like Times New Roman. What do I need to do to make the document look correctly in SO? Is it just a matter of copying the appropriate ttf file from a windows box to my truetype dir? Are there any legal or patent issues with that? In general, are the standard Microsoft fonts freely available for use on a linux box? I couldn't find any websites that clearly explained this. I found some links on the web about Microsoft Core Fonts but Microsoft's site says they are no longer making the core fonts available for free download. I appreciate your help. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020816/9eb518c5/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Aug 16 18:03:14 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: YAPHPNH In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB0F7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB0F7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1029447289.23126.6.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 11:36, Austad, Jay wrote: > BTW, is anyone using any good portal/blogging software written in PHP that > hasn't had a huge history of security holes? Movable Type. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Aug 16 18:41:41 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: YAPHPNH In-Reply-To: <1029447289.23126.6.camel@runabout> Message-ID: On 16 Aug 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 11:36, Austad, Jay wrote: > > BTW, is anyone using any good portal/blogging software written in PHP that > > hasn't had a huge history of security holes? > > Movable Type. aging yourself arn't you? -munir From ccox at linuxsnob.com Sat Aug 17 09:05:20 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> Message-ID: I think I had a very similar issue on Open office a while back... And IIRC, there's an awful lot of similar code SO 6.0 <-> OO 1.0 I found that I was having trouble typing in the apostrophes & double quotes too, they were being changed to '?'. IIRC there were a few auto-complete options I found, that were enabled by default that seemed to resolv the issue. As far as the licensing issues re: tt fonts, I'm afraid, I'm not much help. -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Aug 17 09:28:37 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey>; from rummey@black-hole.com on Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 03:23:52PM -0500 References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet> found this link helpful for the tftp upgrade: http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/CBOS_Upgrade.html I was able to do a tftp upgrade from linux to a cisco 675 a couple versions back. With the last 2 cbos updates I keep getting errors about corrupted file (eventhough I'd downloading from the net as a binary; tried lynx, wget, curl, etc... still says corrupted file). I called my ISP (Visi) who of course said they only support windows and mac for doing the cbos upgrade. :P After the old 'college try' I ended up hauling my windows box to the basement (mouse, keyboard and all that jaz) just to do a frickin cbos update via hyperterm. It took close to 10 minutes to send the file up there, and of course, no errors. if anyone has input on the tftp solution, please speak up! Michael D. Cassano wrote: > Last night I saw a release note from the 2.4.2 version of the OS and it said > it fixed a flaw in 2.4.1 (which I have) where the SNMP agent would send > zeroes for several OIDs. Ok, so that's my problem and I've downloaded > version 2.4.2. I don't have a means of connecting a serial cable and > upgrading through the management port. Anyone have any hints on how to do > it through TFTP? > > I know TFTP is insecure so I wouldn't run it long, but do I do the > following... > > Turn on a TFTP server on a linux box that has the version image > Login to the cisco modem through telnet and run TFTP pointing at my linux > box. > > Is that all I need to do? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve ulrich" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question > > > > no - the c67x family doesn't support snmpv3. not a whole lot of > > devices do actually unless there's well a defined need for the > > partitioning capability that SNMPv3 provides. > > > > there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't know > > if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might want to > > consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code you're running > > > > when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 15, 2002), > > Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > > > Hello group, > > > > > > I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 > > > and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) > > > and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am > > > successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always > > > return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can > > > snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. > > > Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? > > > > > > > -- > > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From rummey at black-hole.com Sat Aug 17 10:53:59 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <001401c24600$5eec6450$a001a8c0@rummey> Thanks for all the responses, I got it working. I downloading a v2.4.6 off a thirdparty website, FTPed it to my linux box, downloaded a tftp client, turned on tftp on the 678 and set my IP as the remote address. Then I just put the file from tftp and all was grand. One kicker was that I had to the set "mode" on the tftp to binary before the cisco would accept the file. That took me about 5 failed transfer attempts before I checked the "show error" on the 678 which told me what to do. Thanks guys! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Jenkins" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question > found this link helpful for the tftp upgrade: > http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/CBOS_Upgrade.html > > I was able to do a tftp upgrade from linux to a cisco 675 a couple > versions back. With the last 2 cbos updates I keep getting errors about > corrupted file (eventhough I'd downloading from the net as a binary; > tried lynx, wget, curl, etc... still says corrupted file). I called > my ISP (Visi) who of course said they only support windows and mac for > doing the cbos upgrade. :P After the old 'college try' I ended up > hauling my windows box to the basement (mouse, keyboard and all that > jaz) just to do a frickin cbos update via hyperterm. It took close to 10 > minutes to send the file up there, and of course, no errors. > > if anyone has input on the tftp solution, please speak up! > > Michael D. Cassano wrote: > > Last night I saw a release note from the 2.4.2 version of the OS and it said > > it fixed a flaw in 2.4.1 (which I have) where the SNMP agent would send > > zeroes for several OIDs. Ok, so that's my problem and I've downloaded > > version 2.4.2. I don't have a means of connecting a serial cable and > > upgrading through the management port. Anyone have any hints on how to do > > it through TFTP? > > > > I know TFTP is insecure so I wouldn't run it long, but do I do the > > following... > > > > Turn on a TFTP server on a linux box that has the version image > > Login to the cisco modem through telnet and run TFTP pointing at my linux > > box. > > > > Is that all I need to do? > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "steve ulrich" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question > > > > > > > no - the c67x family doesn't support snmpv3. not a whole lot of > > > devices do actually unless there's well a defined need for the > > > partitioning capability that SNMPv3 provides. > > > > > > there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't know > > > if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might want to > > > consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code you're running > > > > > > when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 15, 2002), > > > Michael D. Cassano was madly tapping out: > > > > Hello group, > > > > > > > > I've got two routers in two different locations, one is a Cisco 678 > > > > and one is a Cisco 675. They both have built in SNMP (of course) > > > > and I'm trying to track their usage with MRTG on a linux box. I am > > > > successfully tracking several boxes but the Cisco routers always > > > > return zeros for their traffic which I know is inaccurate. I can > > > > snmpwalk them just fine, but MRTG can't get their traffic data in. > > > > Does it have anything to do with SNMPv3? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > > > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -scot > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Aug 17 10:56:23 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msttcorefonts Message-ID: <200208171001.09609.peter-clark@bethel.edu> It looks like Microsoft is no longer allowing their "core" fonts to be downloaded. Debian's msttcorefonts script fails with a 404 and a visit to the MS typography web site reveals that they've removed all of them. You know, it would be nice if someone started making Free fonts for Linux. Yes, I know they cost $$$, but if Blender can raise 100,000e (well, currently they are at 85,000e), you would think that someone would be able to start a "Font Foundation Fund" or something to raise enough money to make good-lookin fonts for Linux. :Peter From jiml at visi.com Sat Aug 17 11:49:17 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> Message-ID: Amy, From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Aug 17 12:21:38 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208171159.43834.joelr@ellegon.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 August 2002 11:41 am, James Louis wrote: > Amy, > > From the following page: > > http://www.iglu.org.il/iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/OpenOffice/oo-bidi-doc/ >OO_READ ME.html > > /**** > > 3. Installation of True Type Unicode fonts > > In order to print Hebrew and/or Arabic characters in the OpenOffice > swriter application, you have to install True Type Unicode fonts on > your Linux. > > 3.1 Where to find True Type Unicode fonts > > ? If you have legally purchased a copy of MS Windows, you can > take advantage of True Type fonts distributed with the system. Look > for *.ttf files in your \?\Windows\Fonts directory (for example, > cour.ttf, l_10646.ttf etc.). > > ? Download True Type Unicode fonts from the Internet. > > ****/ > > jl > Microsoft insists that you install your MS ttf fonts to a separate directory, to which I say, "come and get me, copper." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9XoD/y9b1AU6SGNkRAtbvAKC7gdAnkni3n828hVZlwqqyT+Zu9QCgsq3y VW7Fr4nGG+oa1dPCDRzwB4w= =a1BG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 17 13:39:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet>; from scot@thinkunix.net on Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 09:18:23AM -0500 References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20020817133239.A17346@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 09:18:23AM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: [snip] > I called > my ISP (Visi) who of course said they only support windows and mac for > doing the cbos upgrade. :P After the old 'college try' I ended up > hauling my windows box to the basement (mouse, keyboard and all that > jaz) just to do a frickin cbos update via hyperterm. It took close to 10 > minutes to send the file up there, and of course, no errors. > > if anyone has input on the tftp solution, please speak up! try a tftp server on the windows box, if that works, then you've narrowed it down to the linux tftp server. If not, then it's a tftp issue with the cisco unit. minicom (open source) can do all the file transfer protocols that hyperterminal can (and more). the tftp protocol is rather simple (thus the 't' in tftp), so I'd be interested in seeing what's not working. > > -scot -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Aug 17 14:14:40 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:10:46PM -0500 References: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020817160813.B24884@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:10:46PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > I found some links on the web about Microsoft Core Fonts but Microsoft's > site says they are no longer making the core fonts available for free > download. Found a FAQ: http://microsoft.com/typography/faq/faq8.htm If needed, I may be able to provide the following. Otherwise, it may also be possible to obtain these files from the internet. -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 198384 Mar 27 13:43 andale32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 554208 Mar 27 13:45 arial32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 168176 Mar 27 13:45 arialb32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 246008 Mar 27 13:45 comic32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 646368 Mar 27 13:46 courie32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 392440 Mar 27 13:44 georgi32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 173288 Mar 27 13:45 impact32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 661728 Mar 27 13:45 times32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 357200 Mar 27 13:44 trebuc32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 351992 Mar 27 13:44 verdan32.exe -rw-r--r-- 1 jts jts 185072 Mar 27 13:44 webdin32.exe $ md5sum * cbdc2fdd7d2ed0832795e86a8b9ee19a andale32.exe 9637df0e91703179f0723ec095a36cb5 arial32.exe c9089ae0c3b3d0d8c4b0a95979bb9ff0 arialb32.exe 2b30de40bb5e803a0452c7715fc835d1 comic32.exe 4e412c772294403ab62fb2d247d85c60 courie32.exe 4d90016026e2da447593b41a8d8fa8bd georgi32.exe 7907c7dd6684e9bade91cff82683d9d7 impact32.exe ed39c8ef91b9fb80f76f702568291bd5 times32.exe 0d7ea16cac6261f8513a061fbfcdb2b5 trebuc32.exe 12d2a75f8156e10607be1eaa8e8ef120 verdan32.exe 230a1d13a365b22815f502eb24d9149b webdin32.exe The above are Windows executables that each install one of the core fonts. I have used them with Crossover Office. > When I open it in SO, all the apostrophes show up as question marks. Your problem with apostrophes may be related to the following ("smart quotes", etc.): http://www.perl.com/language/misc/ms-ascii.html -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Aug 17 16:27:51 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet> References: <005901c244ac$73b1c8d0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <001e01c24562$d87c6de0$a001a8c0@rummey> <20020817091823.A8103@okane.localnet> Message-ID: Scot Jenkins writes: > found this link helpful for the tftp upgrade: > http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/CBOS_Upgrade.html > > I was able to do a tftp upgrade from linux to a cisco 675 a couple > versions back. With the last 2 cbos updates I keep getting errors about > corrupted file (eventhough I'd downloading from the net as a binary; > tried lynx, wget, curl, etc... still says corrupted file). I called > my ISP (Visi) who of course said they only support windows and mac for > doing the cbos upgrade. :P After the old 'college try' I ended up > hauling my windows box to the basement (mouse, keyboard and all that > jaz) just to do a frickin cbos update via hyperterm. It took close to 10 > minutes to send the file up there, and of course, no errors. When compelled to take this approach, I've always dragged the small, light, modem to my computer, rather than vice versa. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From jamie at gnulife.org Sat Aug 17 20:59:04 2002 From: jamie at gnulife.org (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel Message-ID: <20020817205630.L67282-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Hello! I'd like to recompile my kernel (version 2.4.17) so version support is disabled. Can anyone tell me which option I need to configure in menuconfig? I've tried: [MAIN MENU] Loadable Module Support-> and unchecked "Set version information on all module symbols. I left the other two options under Loadable Module Support checked. The kernel will compile, but then the system doesn't boot. The errors I am getting SEEM to indicate a problem with loading modules when it is booting. Thanks! "If you lose your bearings, your life won't go smoothly." From dante at plethora.net Sat Aug 17 23:23:46 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20020817205630.L67282-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I'd like to recompile my kernel (version 2.4.17) so version support > is disabled. Can anyone tell me which option I need to configure in > menuconfig? I've tried: > [MAIN MENU] > Loadable Module Support-> > and unchecked "Set version information on all module symbols. > I left the other two options under Loadable Module Support checked. > This is the correct procedure. > > The kernel will compile, but then the system doesn't boot. The errors I > am getting SEEM to indicate a problem with loading modules when it is > booting. > Ask yourself three questions, if the results are negative on any of these that is your first point for a fix: 1. Did you recompile your modules? (All of them, not just the ones in the main tree but ALSA &c. also) 2. If you are running with initrd, does the initrd image you are using have unversioned modules? 3. Are you certain that you are really booting your new kernel? -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From fritchie at mr.net Sun Aug 18 13:07:34 2002 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: Message of "Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:37:28 CDT." <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <200208181711.g7IHB8s29649@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "su" == steve ulrich writes: su> there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't su> know if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might su> want to consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code su> you're running I've had horrible luck using SNMP to get stats out of my Cisco 675 for MRTG, so for years I haven't bothered using SNMP. Instead I wrote a Perl expect script that Telnet's to the silly thing and retrieves that stats that way. See http://www.snookles.com/matthew/675-mrtg-stuff/ for the scripts. There's also a script there called summarize.pl that will yank all of the 5min, 30min, 2hour, and 1day statistics and put them in the same page, so you can look at just *one* thing to see if my error rates have anything in common with bandwidth utilization. -Scott From skodak at cs.umn.edu Sun Aug 18 13:11:44 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internals of Program Image Message-ID: Hi I am looking for material on the internals of the program image, compiled using gcc in linux i.e., I would like to know how a program when compiled will look like. particularly on how each function call (say malloc) is translated in binary and how the program interacts with the operating system at runtime. I would appreciate if you could send me any material or links or other mailing lists where I can find such information. Thanks for the help. Sreekumar From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Aug 18 13:38:12 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <200208181711.g7IHB8s29649@snookles.snookles.com> References: <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <200208181711.g7IHB8s29649@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: <20020818181946.GC28057@tcopensys.com> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 12:11:06PM -0500, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: >>>>>> "su" == steve ulrich writes: > >su> there were several bugs with the SNMP support in cbos. i don't >su> know if these have been resolved in the latest release. you might >su> want to consult the errata/release notes for the rev of code >su> you're running > >I've had horrible luck using SNMP to get stats out of my Cisco 675 for >MRTG, so for years I haven't bothered using SNMP. Instead I wrote a >Perl expect script that Telnet's to the silly thing and retrieves that >stats that way. I set it up a while back and it just works. I have a 2.4ish cbos (too lazy to look) I have something like this in my mrtg.cfg -------- WorkDir:/var/www/html/mrtg-stuff/ Target[cisco675]: 1:CommunityName@x.x0.x1.1 MaxBytes[cisco675]: 1250000 Title[cisco675]: Traffic Analysis PageTop[cisco675]:

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-------- Then I have a cron job come by every 5min and update the files. It ain't pretty, but it works relatively well. http://autonomous.tv/mrtg/cisco675.html/ See my terrible bandwidth :( /** 640/256 DSL **/ > >See http://www.snookles.com/matthew/675-mrtg-stuff/ for the scripts. >There's also a script there called summarize.pl that will yank all of >the 5min, 30min, 2hour, and 1day statistics and put them in the same >page, so you can look at just *one* thing to see if my error rates >have anything in common with bandwidth utilization. > >-Scott >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Spencer Butler 651-291-3162 sbutler@ARNAN.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020818/d84c5cf6/attachment.pgp From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Aug 18 14:09:19 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <20020818181946.GC28057@tcopensys.com> References: <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <200208181711.g7IHB8s29649@snookles.snookles.com> <20020818181946.GC28057@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <20020818190237.GA22622@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:19:46PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > I set it up a while back and it just works. I have a 2.4ish cbos > (too lazy to look) > > I have something like this in my mrtg.cfg > -------- > WorkDir:/var/www/html/mrtg-stuff/ > Target[cisco675]: 1:CommunityName@x.x0.x1.1 > MaxBytes[cisco675]: 1250000 > Title[cisco675]: Traffic Analysis > PageTop[cisco675]:

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> -------- > Then I have a cron job come by every 5min and update the files. > It ain't pretty, but it works relatively well. > > http://autonomous.tv/mrtg/cisco675.html/ > > See my terrible bandwidth :( /** 640/256 DSL **/ > > -- > Spencer Butler > 651-291-3162 > sbutler@ARNAN.com URL doesn't seem to work. Message: The requested URL /mrtg/cisco675.html/ was not found on this server. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Aug 18 14:49:27 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 67x question SNMP/MRTG question In-Reply-To: <20020818190237.GA22622@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020816163728.GA2756@botwerks.org> <200208181711.g7IHB8s29649@snookles.snookles.com> <20020818181946.GC28057@tcopensys.com> <20020818190237.GA22622@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020818194059.GA22305@tcopensys.com> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 02:02:37PM -0500, James Kaufman wrote: >On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:19:46PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: >> I set it up a while back and it just works. I have a 2.4ish cbos >> (too lazy to look) >> >> I have something like this in my mrtg.cfg >> -------- >> WorkDir:/var/www/html/mrtg-stuff/ >> Target[cisco675]: 1:CommunityName@x.x0.x1.1 >> MaxBytes[cisco675]: 1250000 >> Title[cisco675]: Traffic Analysis >> PageTop[cisco675]:

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>> -------- >> Then I have a cron job come by every 5min and update the files. >> It ain't pretty, but it works relatively well. >> >> http://autonomous.tv/mrtg/cisco675.html/ http://autonomous.tv/mrtg/cisco675.html ^^^^^ooops trailing charachters....sorry >> >> See my terrible bandwidth :( /** 640/256 DSL **/ >> >> -- >> Spencer Butler >> 651-291-3162 >> sbutler@ARNAN.com > >URL doesn't seem to work. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020818/01a441e2/attachment.pgp From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sun Aug 18 17:59:39 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: Where to get MS fonts was Re: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: <20020817160813.B24884@joelschneider.net> References: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> <20020817160813.B24884@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200208181744.23312.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Saturday 17 August 2002 16:08, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:10:46PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > > I found some links on the web about Microsoft Core Fonts but Microsoft's > > site says they are no longer making the core fonts available for free > > download. Good news: you can download them, without violating any EULA, at http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ :Peter From jamie at gnulife.org Sun Aug 18 20:58:30 2002 From: jamie at gnulife.org (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020818211404.Q68758-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> The reason my system wouldn't boot was because I hadn't recompiled the modules, and I'd neglected to set support for ext3. I've got that worked out, and the system boots, but I still get this error when I try to load my "experimental" module: bash-2.05# insmod hello2.o hello2.o: kernel-module version mismatch hello2.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.2-2 while this kernel is version 2.4.19. I am having a hard time finding documentation that will tell me how to determine whether or not the initrd image I am using has unversioned modules. Do you know how I may be able to tell? I thought I would try disabling initrd but every time I try to disable it in lilo.conf I get a syntax error. This is what I am putting in: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 label=latest read-only noinitrd root=/dev/hda1 ...but I keep getting a syntax error when I try to set that option. - Jamie On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Daniel Taylor wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I'd like to recompile my kernel (version 2.4.17) so version support > > is disabled. Can anyone tell me which option I need to configure in > > menuconfig? I've tried: > > [MAIN MENU] > > Loadable Module Support-> > > and unchecked "Set version information on all module symbols. > > I left the other two options under Loadable Module Support checked. > > > This is the correct procedure. > > > > The kernel will compile, but then the system doesn't boot. The errors I > > am getting SEEM to indicate a problem with loading modules when it is > > booting. > > > Ask yourself three questions, if the results are negative > on any of these that is your first point for a fix: > > 1. Did you recompile your modules? (All of them, not > just the ones in the main tree but ALSA &c. also) > > 2. If you are running with initrd, does the initrd image you > are using have unversioned modules? > > 3. Are you certain that you are really booting your new kernel? > > -- > Daniel Taylor > dante@plethora.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > "If you lose your bearings, your life won't go smoothly." From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sun Aug 18 23:33:34 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internals of Program Image In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 12:20:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020818232150.A15932@localhost.localdomain> Check out "The Linux Virus Writers HOWTO". Google for it, or look at http://www.freshmeat.net, this Sunday. Good intro into disassemblers, ELF file format, etc. On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 12:20:08PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I am looking for material on the internals of the program image, compiled > using gcc in linux i.e., I would like to know how a program when compiled > will look like. particularly on how each function > call (say malloc) is translated in binary and how the program interacts > with > the operating system at runtime. I would appreciate if you could send me > any material or links or other mailing lists where I can find such > information. > Thanks for the help. > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Aug 19 05:43:28 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20020818211404.Q68758-100000@floyd.gnulife.org>; from jamie@gnulife.org on Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 09:19:09PM -0500 References: <20020818211404.Q68758-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Message-ID: <20020819044803.F17346@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 09:19:09PM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > bash-2.05# insmod hello2.o > hello2.o: kernel-module version mismatch > hello2.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.2-2 > while this kernel is version 2.4.19. Trying to use a module compiled for a specific kernel, on another kernel , 16 revisions later, is a really bad idea. What binary drivers are you trying to load? Obscuring that information doesn't make us want to help you any. > > - Jamie > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jamie at gnulife.org Mon Aug 19 08:17:02 2002 From: jamie at gnulife.org (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20020819044803.F17346@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020819083015.K69575-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> It's a homebrew module from "Linux Device Drivers 2nd Edition" Here is the source for the module: #define MODULE #include int init_module(void) { printk("<1>Hello, world\n"); return 0; } void cleanup_module(void) { printk("<1>Goodbye cruel world\n"); } - compiled with gcc version 2.96 on Red Hat 7.1 with the 2.4.19 kernel. This is how I compiled and tried executing: 1) gcc -c hello.c 2) insmod hello.o - Jamie On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 09:19:09PM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > bash-2.05# insmod hello2.o > > hello2.o: kernel-module version mismatch > > hello2.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.2-2 > > while this kernel is version 2.4.19. > > Trying to use a module compiled for a specific kernel, on another kernel > , 16 revisions later, is a really bad idea. What binary drivers are you > trying to load? Obscuring that information doesn't make us want to help > you any. > > > > > > - Jamie > > > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > "If you lose your bearings, your life won't go smoothly." From dante at plethora.net Mon Aug 19 08:46:17 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling version support in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20020818211404.Q68758-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > The reason my system wouldn't boot was because I hadn't recompiled > the modules, and I'd neglected to set support for ext3. I've got that > worked out, and the system boots, but I still get this error when I try to > load my "experimental" module: > > bash-2.05# insmod hello2.o > hello2.o: kernel-module version mismatch > hello2.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.2-2 > while this kernel is version 2.4.19. > > > I am having a hard time finding documentation that will tell me how to > determine whether or not the initrd image I am using has unversioned > modules. Do you know how I may be able to tell? With modversions turned off you can do an insmod -f and it will install. The part of modversions that has always annoyed me is that it is supposed to allow modules that are _compatible_ with the current kernel to load regardless of the version they were compiled against. In practice this is a non-starter as the modversions change with every kernel rev (and sometimes with each recompile). -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From amy at real-time.com Mon Aug 19 09:58:02 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: Where to get MS fonts was Re: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 & truetype fonts In-Reply-To: <200208181744.23312.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:44:23PM -0500 References: <20020816161046.K2648@real-time.com> <20020817160813.B24884@joelschneider.net> <200208181744.23312.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020819094250.L2648@real-time.com> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:44:23PM -0500, Peter Clark (peter-clark@bethel.edu) wrote: > On Saturday 17 August 2002 16:08, Joel Schneider wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:10:46PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > I found some links on the web about Microsoft Core Fonts but Microsoft's > > > site says they are no longer making the core fonts available for free > > > download. > Good news: you can download them, without violating any EULA, at > http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ Thanks! 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In your /usr/include directory your linux and asm directories are most likely from a 2.4.2-2 kernel. So when you compile it you get the wrong version info. you can change the include to be #include "linux/module.h" and and a -I/path/to/linux/src/include to you gcc line Eric From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Aug 19 15:47:02 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? Message-ID: <3D61559C.9030508@real-time.com> Did you ever get a response to this (July) email? I have an IDE RAID card using the Promise set in my linux box. I was never able to get the RAID aspect to work and, reading about it, it wasn't clear that it was even worth tryin g --- several sources said that Linux s/w RAID was actually better performance than IDE RAID. Whatever. So I just treated the RAID device as two separate drives, /dev/hde and /dev/hdf. That's cool. But I can't figure out how to make LILO boot from hde. So I'm booting from floppy, which seems totally lame. Any suggestions? I've looked around at google, but most everything I find has to do with either (a) trying to make the IDE RAID device work as a RAID device (I don't care) or (b) booting from Linux s/w RAID. Thanks! R From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Aug 19 18:10:29 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? In-Reply-To: <3D61559C.9030508@real-time.com> References: <3D61559C.9030508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208191753.45520.joelr@ellegon.com> On Monday 19 August 2002 03:31 pm, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Did you ever get a response to this (July) email? > > I have an IDE RAID card using the Promise set in my linux box. I was > never able to get the RAID aspect to work and, reading about it, it > wasn't clear that it was even worth tryin g --- several sources said > that Linux s/w RAID was actually better performance than IDE RAID. > > Whatever. > > So I just treated the RAID device as two separate drives, /dev/hde and > /dev/hdf. That's cool. But I can't figure out how to make LILO boot > from hde. So I'm booting from floppy, which seems totally lame. > > Any suggestions? I've looked around at google, but most everything I > find has to do with either (a) trying to make the IDE RAID device work > as a RAID device (I don't care) or (b) booting from Linux s/w RAID. > > Thanks! > R If you could send/post a copy of lilo.conf that you used to try to get it to boot from hde, that might be a help. It should look something like this: boot=/dev/hde map=/boot/map vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt nowarn timeout=50 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda3 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="quiet devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi" vga=788 read-only From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Aug 19 18:18:44 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200208191753.45520.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <3D61559C.9030508@real-time.com> <200208191753.45520.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <15713.31067.936619.928799@tsathoggua.mydomain> I was wondering if somehow either : the RAID device somehow makes the drive unbootable or somehow I've failed to successfully install lilo on the disk. Here's my lilo.conf (it's a Mandrake system): boot=/dev/hde map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux-smp keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw disk=/dev/hde bios=0x80 image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hde1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-smp label=linux-smp root=/dev/hde1 initrd=/boot/initrd-smp.img append="devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-smp label=linux-smp-old root=/dev/hde1 initrd=/boot/initrd-smp.img append="devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-enterprise label=linux-enterpris root=/dev/hde1 initrd=/boot/initrd-enterprise.img append="devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hde1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="failsafe devfs=nomount hdc=ide-scsi" read-only other=/dev/fd0 label=floppy unsafe image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-6mdksecure label=2418-6sec root=/dev/hde1 read-only optional vga=normal append=" initrd=initrd.img" initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.18-6mdksecure.img From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 19 19:37:37 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: YAPHPNH Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB117@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Sweet, Movable Type is what I've been looking for. I'd like a PHP version, but this seems to work fine. Things like geeklog have all those boxes on the sides, and *Nuke based stuff sucks. Anyone know of a PHP clone of Movable Type? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:56 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Re: YAPHPNH On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 11:36, Austad, Jay wrote: > BTW, is anyone using any good portal/blogging software written in PHP that > hasn't had a huge history of security holes? Movable Type. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Aug 19 23:07:15 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server Message-ID: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu> This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" messages from appearing? :Peter From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Aug 19 23:50:35 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500 References: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020819234040.H17346@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes owned > by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What settings do I > enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by > server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" messages > from appearing? > :Peter > xhost +localhost man xhost -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From mcnixon at mchsi.com Tue Aug 20 08:39:31 2002 From: mcnixon at mchsi.com (Mike Nixon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub Error 22 - Help! In-Reply-To: <20020815110318.GA17966@iucha.net> References: <20020815054956.KKVE7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@sccqwbc02> <20020815110318.GA17966@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200208200827.00910.mcnixon@mchsi.com> On Thursday 15 August 2002 06:03 am, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:49:56AM +0000, mcnixon@mchsi.com wrote: > > I was fooling around with my grub.conf file and I > > thought I'd try "hide(hd0,3)" which is of course my > > extended partition, which includes /boot (in the 8th > > partition) and /boot/grub/grub.conf > > So when I rebooted I got a Grub Error 22 (No such > > partition) in stage 2. > > Is there some way for me to get into the grub shell and > > easily undo this (with a unhide(hd0,3) command perhaps)? > > > > Anything else I might try to recover my extended > > partition? > > (I have the important stuff backed up if I need to start > > from scratch). > > Do you have grub on a floppy? Boot off that. > > florin I had to make a new Grub boot floppy that wasn't looking for the hidden partition for its menu.lst (a sym link to grub.conf). But once I booted to this new floppy I got the Grub shell and was able to do the unhide(hd0,3) and restart and everything worked! (now its time to backup my linux partitions with ghost) Thanks to everyone who helped! Mike Nixon From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Aug 20 09:43:38 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <20020819234040.H17346@techmonkeys.org> References: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20020819234040.H17346@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes > > owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What > > settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to > > ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect > > to Server" messages from appearing? > > > > :Peter > > xhost +localhost > > man xhost Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I typed 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried opening up 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not terribly helpful, although it made me realize that I don't have /etc/X*.hosts files. Restarting the server likewise had no beneficial effect. :Peter From dante at plethora.net Tue Aug 20 10:00:33 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: OK, xhost allows other users to connect, their sessions need to be configured to attempt to connect to the server also. I usually handle this using ssh, which eliminates the need for xhost and DISPLAY variable manual mangling. YMMV. On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes > > > owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What > > > settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to > > > ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect > > > to Server" messages from appearing? > > > > > > :Peter > > > > xhost +localhost > > > > man xhost > > Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I typed > 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried opening up > 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not terribly helpful, > although it made me realize that I don't have /etc/X*.hosts files. Restarting > the server likewise had no beneficial effect. > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Aug 20 10:10:32 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server Message-ID: Who was that said "xhost should be dragged out in the street and shot" or something similar? Probably had more to do with the insecure "xhost +" option than anything else. Try this instead: ssh root@localhost inside of an xterm and then try to run the root owned graphical thingie you wish to display. It should just work. Good luck! >>> peter-clark@bethel.edu 08/20/02 09:35AM >>> On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes > > owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What > > settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to > > ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect > > to Server" messages from appearing? > xhost +localhost > man xhost Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I typed 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried opening up 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not terribly helpful, although it made me realize that I don't have /etc/X*.hosts files. Restarting the server likewise had no beneficial effect. :Peter From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 20 10:34:34 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20020819234040.H17346@techmonkeys.org> <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020820152350.GC10541@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 09:35:06AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want processes > > > owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What > > > settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to > > > ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect > > > to Server" messages from appearing? > > > > > > :Peter > > > > xhost +localhost > > > > man xhost > > Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I typed > 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried opening up > 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not terribly helpful, > although it made me realize that I don't have /etc/X*.hosts files. Restarting > the server likewise had no beneficial effect. Have you set the DISPLAY environment to ":0" or put "-display :0" on the command line of the application you wish to start? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on your ssh client config, you may need to change that to ssh -X root@localhost There's also the possibility that sshd may be configured to refuse root logins. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 20 11:16:02 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: No footer WAS: Re: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server Message-ID: <200208201106.03941.list@slushpupie.com> How is it your email dosnt have the standard TCLUG list footer? I thought that got appended to every message. Jay On Tuesday 20 August 2002 10:23 am, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 09:35:06AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want > > > > processes owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X > > > > session. What settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded > > > > "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is > > > > not authorized to connect to Server" messages from appearing? > > > > > > > > :Peter > > > > > > xhost +localhost > > > > > > man xhost > > > > Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I > > typed 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried > > opening up 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not > > terribly helpful, although it made me realize that I don't have > > /etc/X*.hosts files. Restarting the server likewise had no beneficial > > effect. > > Have you set the DISPLAY environment to ":0" or put "-display :0" on the > command line of the application you wish to start? > > florin From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 20 11:24:33 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php software Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Anyone know of a good php software which would allow for easy site layout and creation? I'm not really looking for a news type thing, mostly something that will allow easy uploading of product pictures for a commercial site, and allow the owner of the company to make changes without having to contact me all the time. For those wondering, my girlfriend's dad designs swimsuits, and I'm whacking up a site for him. No shopping functionality needed or anything, just kind of a showcase of what he has, a list of stores that sell them, and a way to contact him. Jay From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Aug 20 11:33:44 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? Message-ID: <20020820T081557Z_C71800060000@facm.umn.edu> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2993 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020820/188b1c83/smime.bin From ndavis at iexposure.com Tue Aug 20 11:45:04 2002 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php software In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200208201133.27249.ndavis@iexposure.com> Couldn't you use gallery for the photos. That way he can upload/remove photos at his leisure? The main page, the list of stores, and his contact page could be a static html page. Just tell him how to chage the page to edit the list. my $0.02 Nick On Tuesday 20 August 2002 11:14, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone know of a good php software which would allow for easy site layout > and creation? I'm not really looking for a news type thing, mostly > something that will allow easy uploading of product pictures for a > commercial site, and allow the owner of the company to make changes without > having to contact me all the time. > > For those wondering, my girlfriend's dad designs swimsuits, and I'm > whacking up a site for him. No shopping functionality needed or anything, > just kind of a showcase of what he has, a list of stores that sell them, > and a way to contact him. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 11:48:58 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php software In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1029861318.3843.20.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 11:14, Austad, Jay wrote: I'm whacking up a site for him. Y'know, next to TrueType font abuse, website abuse is the second leading cause of ASS (Attempted Software Suicide). You should be ashamed of yourself! -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: >> This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want >> processes owned >> by other users to spawn windows in my current X session. What >> settings do I >> enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" >> refused by >> server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" >> messages >> from appearing? >> :Peter >> > > xhost +localhost > > man xhost > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH > Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key > 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 12:42:58 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers Message-ID: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Saw this on /. http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nate From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 13:46:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:59:17PM -0500 References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:28:34PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Saw this on /. > > > > http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php > > Saw it too. I would forward this to AT&T, bit I'm pretty certain they > don't have the skills to do the same. ;) > > If Carl is still stuck in the office, this would be a great hack and > value-add for Real-time. What's the RIAA's block? What prevents them from getting another block? What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 20 13:52:56 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php software Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB123@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Y'know, next to TrueType font abuse, website abuse is the > second leading > cause of ASS (Attempted Software Suicide). You should be ashamed of > yourself! Yeah, I need to wear my "No, I will not fix your computer" shirt more. Anyway, I found greymatter which has a mod called Photolog which might do what I want with some modifications. I've been using Movable Type (http://signal15.com) though for the last couple days, and I really like it. I might be able to do something with that too, except I don't know if the hosting account for the swimsuit site will handle it, it requires a ton of perl modules to be installed. I'm definitely *not* a web designer, so hopefully whatever I find has lot's of .css files premade for it. :) Jay From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 13:57:37 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> Message-ID: <1029866982.3845.36.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:59, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:28:34PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Saw this on /. > > > > http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php > > Saw it too. I would forward this to AT&T, bit I'm pretty certain they > don't have the skills to do the same. ;) > > If Carl is still stuck in the office, this would be a great hack and > value-add for Real-time. > > Nate I was kind of thinking the same thing. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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DBRU.BR.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.128.106 DMTU.MT.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 12.127.16.70 I have a feeling AT&Greed wouldn't do much. Bob wrote: > What's the RIAA's block? Not sure. There's a way to look up the owner of blocks, but I'm not sure what it is any more. > What prevents them from getting another block? Nothing. > What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? Nothing. The article and effort alone is enough to get newsworthy print. It's a legitimate stance against corporate hacking and direct DoS, regardless how pointedly unrealistic it might be. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From nate at refried.org Tue Aug 20 14:28:27 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 01:35:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:28:34PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php > > > > If Carl is still stuck in the office, this would be a great hack and > > value-add for Real-time. > > What's the RIAA's block? > > What prevents them from getting another block? > > What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks on their network. Nate D'oh! I just read the article for you. From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 20 14:40:08 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020820185743.GB8236@tolkien.publicus-osm.com> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 01:35:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:28:34PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Saw this on /. > > > > > > http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php > > > > Saw it too. I would forward this to AT&T, bit I'm pretty certain they > > don't have the skills to do the same. ;) > > > > If Carl is still stuck in the office, this would be a great hack and > > value-add for Real-time. > > What's the RIAA's block? > > What prevents them from getting another block? Nothing I guess, but the ISP is going to take measures to block anyone who is looking for certain songs on Gnutella and then attempting to hack into boxes. > > What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? > I'd like to see that happen. It would be so sleazy and "Hacker-like" that the PR fallout would be enormous. Erik From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Aug 20 14:41:22 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <20020820110201.F13674@sherohman.org> References: <20020820110201.F13674@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <200208201352.33262.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 11:02, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Depending on your ssh client config, you may need to change that to > > ssh -X root@localhost That did the trick, thanks. I'm really impressed with ssh--I didn't know it could do that. I need to read up some more on it. :Peter From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 15:02:31 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:26:09PM -0500 References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > > What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? > > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It looks > for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks on their > network. Ok, how is a gnutella expert? How about a tclug-RIAA-honeypot rpm and deb? Need some backend code to generate fake mp3s with the right names and length, and some way to report the hits on the honeypot. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Aug 20 15:04:03 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time Message-ID: Hi, I have installed RH6.2 in an embedded system. I found that the machine takes a long time to boot starting many daemons ( like sendmail etc) and also checking for new hardware which is not required in this system. I would be grateful to you if you can tell me how to prevent these to make the boot time faster. Thanks Sreekumar From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 15:15:19 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020820T081557Z_C71800060000@facm.umn.edu> References: <20020820T081557Z_C71800060000@facm.umn.edu> Message-ID: <15714.41391.986104.531703@tsathoggua.mydomain> John Hoffoss writes: > It's perhaps a simple thing, but my mobo has a jumper on it to > enable IDE3 and IDE4 as RAID, and if it's not set to that, then > they are both just two more IDE channels. Both now, and when you > were trying to get your RAID to work, are you certain you had the > jumper set correctly? And is the RAID device now disabled in BIOS? > I think my mobo will have the drives show up when the IDE > controller initializes, but I had problems at one point because I > had set the BIOS setting wrong. Hm. I can see how that might have made it impossible for me to use the device as a RAID device, but what I'm doing IS grabbing these two drives up as just two more IDE channgels (hde and hdf), so why would that make the device unbootable? I did tweak something in the RAID bios to (allegedly) make the drive bootable, but that doesn't seem to have done anything (the BIOS interface, even for a BIOS, which is always crude, is just plain TERRIBLE). From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 15:30:08 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It > looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks > on their network. How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing them, to me.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Aug 20 15:30:32 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020820151324.B13977@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, how is a gnutella expert? > > How about a tclug-RIAA-honeypot rpm and deb? > > Need some backend code to generate fake mp3s with the right names and length, > and some way to report the hits on the honeypot. Sounds to me like someone should contact the Infornmation Wave and see if they're willing to either share they're information. As some of the comments on slashdot say, this could be organized into a project like the anti-spam projects, with real time blacklists, etc. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 15:30:54 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0500 References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020820151853.C9634@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > > > What prevents them from setting up colo "DoS" boxes all over the place? > > > > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It looks > > for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks on their > > network. > > Ok, how is a gnutella expert? ^^^ who -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 20 15:31:18 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* read Slashdot? - Jared On Tuesday 20 August 2002 12:28 pm, you wrote: > Saw this on /. > > http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 15:31:48 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 14:49, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > I have installed RH6.2 in an embedded system. I found that the machine > takes a long time to boot starting many daemons ( like sendmail etc) and > also checking for new hardware which is not required in this system. I > would be grateful to you if you can tell me how to prevent these > to make the boot time faster. > Thanks > Sreekumar If you only want to *disable* automatic startup of certain services at boot, then look in the various /etc/rc.d/rc*.d directories, and delete (or rename with a lower-case first letter 's') the startup scripts you do not want to run. Note that these files are really just symlinks to the real files in /etc/rc.d/init.d, so if you delete the links, your actual startup scripts will remain intact for later use. Also, the rc*.d directories are numbered based on the runlevel you boot into. If you boot to a command prompt (no GUI), then rc3.d is the place to focus. If you boot to X, then look in rc5.d. But if you want to *remove* these services/applications, then just use 'rpm -e' to uninstall the software/services you don't need. The rpm uninstall will take care of removing the startup scripts for you, in addition to actually removing the software. 'man rpm' for other rpm options, like querying the rpm database to find out what packages are installed in your system. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What settings do I > enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by > server" and "Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" messages > from appearing? xhost +hostname man xhost for more information -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020820/67b4edf7/attachment.pgp From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Tue Aug 20 15:48:42 2002 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <3D62A8B4.1060608@indivisuallearning.com> Me. sim Jared Burns wrote: >I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* read >Slashdot? > > From rwh at umn.edu Tue Aug 20 16:03:02 2002 From: rwh at umn.edu (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers References: Message-ID: <3D62AB14.9030601@umn.edu> Nate Carlson wrote: >On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > > >>The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the >>honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It >>looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks >>on their network. >> >> > >How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted >music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is >searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, >they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing >them, to me.. > Actually I think it watches who searches the site and then looks for attempts to 'attack' the site, and only then, does it put you on the blacklist. Of course this is easy to work around - you simply have to do your searching from a different IP address/subnet from the one you use for the attack/dos/etc. to prevent the ISP from correlating the two events. The question is whether they can make their approach sufficiently sophisticated that your defense blocks out a large number of legitimate users, i.e. you DoS yourself. --rick From amy at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 16:03:22 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice/openoffice & plug-ins Message-ID: <20020820154638.E2033@real-time.com> I'm trying to insert video (mpeg or avi) into a staroffice document, namely a presentation. The first time I tried, I saw in the menu: Insert -> Object -> Video. Unfortunately, this would launch a plugin program that would make SO hang. I could see it was trying to launch the crossover plugins located in the ~/.netscape/plugins directory. I re-installed the crossover plug-ins thinking they had either expired or no longer worked. Now, Video is no longer an option under Insert -> Object. I've tried the same thing with openoffice and get the same results. According to the documentation, it should use all the netscape plug-ins available. Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020820/94ff7f94/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 20 16:06:58 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208201551.28415.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 3:11 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It > > looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks > > on their network. > > How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted > music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is > searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, > they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing > them, to me.. Read it again. If you download the music, then ATTACK the system in some way, thats how you get blacklisted. If you just download the files and do nothing, you are fine. Jay From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 20 16:07:39 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: ; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:30:59PM -0500 References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <20020820155555.I13674@sherohman.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:30:59PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* read > Slashdot? Used to read /. regularly, but it's been... umm... a month and a half? since I last dropped in. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 20 16:08:08 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you misread. The announcement says: "Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network." Note the part about "...then attempt to illegally access the network..." I believe they're saying that they expect the RIAA to find their client and try to attack it. When this happens, they'll ban the attacker (the RIAA). It's a way for them to make sure they're staying on top of the RIAA. - Jared On Tuesday 20 August 2002 03:11 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It > > looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks > > on their network. > > How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted > music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is > searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, > they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing > them, to me.. From nate at refried.org Tue Aug 20 16:15:39 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: References: <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020820205516.GC21332@refried.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 03:11:36PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nate@refried.org wrote: > > The portion of the article I though would be "value add" was the > > honeypot system that they set up to try to find RIAA snoopers. It > > looks for a correspondence between hits in their honeypot to attacks > > on their network. > > How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted > music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is > searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, > they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing > them, to me.. You'd better reread paragraph 3. "... Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network. ..." Nate From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 20 16:16:49 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200208192229.44447.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20020819234040.H17346@techmonkeys.org> <200208200935.06315.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200208201000.04946.list@slushpupie.com> in order to display something on an X server, a few pieces of information are needed. First, where to display. X apps use the envionment varible DISPLAY to indicate what X server to connect to. Assuming you didnt change anything, from the root console, try typing this before the command: export DISPLAY=:0 This tells the app to use the localhost (what goes before the colon) on display 0. The other information needed is its authorization. Thats what the xhost does. It will allow anyone from the localhost to display on the X server. Be aware that xhost has some significant security issues, and I dont recomend using it. The authorization can also come in the form of cookies (kinda like browsers) which is more secure than xhost, but not by much. Jay On Tuesday 20 August 2002 9:35 am, Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 19 August 2002 23:40, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:29:44PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > > This should have a simple answer: there are times when I want > > > processes owned by other users to spawn windows in my current X > > > session. What settings do I enable / change to avoid the dreaded "Xlib: > > > connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: Client is not > > > authorized to connect to Server" messages from appearing? > > > > > > :Peter > > > > xhost +localhost > > > > man xhost > > Perhaps just a little more info, please. :) Running as a normal user, I > typed 'xhost +localhost' and then switched to a root console and tried > opening up 'kmenuedit' but could not connect. The man file was not terribly > helpful, although it made me realize that I don't have /etc/X*.hosts files. > Restarting the server likewise had no beneficial effect. > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlos at eberhardt.net Tue Aug 20 16:32:26 2002 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (Carlos Eberhardt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers References: Message-ID: <3D62A2D4.9060503@eberhardt.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > How I read it, the honeypot watches for _anyone_ searching for copyrighted > music, and blackholes them from their network. So if an innocent user is > searching for britney_spears-newest_hits.mp3, and tries to grab it, > they'll be blacklisted. Sounded like something to keep RIAA from sueing > them, to me.. Actually, they say "Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network." I took that to mean you'd need to do something beyond just hitting their gnutella clients to get blacklisted. I guess they want to correlate between gnutella hits and illegal access attempts so they can block the RIAA specifically, instead of blocking just any old guy who attempts to access their network illegally. :) carlos From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 16:33:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Jared Burns wrote: > I think you misread. The announcement says: "Clients which connect to > our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally > access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information > Wave's network." > > Note the part about "...then attempt to illegally access the > network..." > > I believe they're saying that they expect the RIAA to find their > client and try to attack it. When this happens, they'll ban the > attacker (the RIAA). It's a way for them to make sure they're staying > on top of the RIAA. I read "the network" as "the gnutella network".. you could be right, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From linux at bmetzler.org Tue Aug 20 16:38:02 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> References: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:20, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 14:49, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > Hi, > > I have installed RH6.2 in an embedded system. I found that the machine > > takes a long time to boot starting many daemons ( like sendmail etc) and > > also checking for new hardware which is not required in this system. I > > would be grateful to you if you can tell me how to prevent these > > to make the boot time faster. > > Thanks > > Sreekumar > > If you only want to *disable* automatic startup of certain services at > boot, then look in the various /etc/rc.d/rc*.d directories, and delete > (or rename with a lower-case first letter 's') the startup scripts you > do not want to run. Note that these files are really just symlinks to > the real files in /etc/rc.d/init.d, so if you delete the links, your > actual startup scripts will remain intact for later use. Also, the rc*.d > directories are numbered based on the runlevel you boot into. If you > boot to a command prompt (no GUI), then rc3.d is the place to focus. If > you boot to X, then look in rc5.d. But this is RedHat, so the correct way to manage services in this case is to use chkconfig. man chkconfig should give you enough to start with. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 20 17:21:32 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: Jared Burns writes: > I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* read > Slashdot? I've got an account there, I check now and then, I get the headling mailings, I read the first screen full most days, sometimes more. Which is to say I can miss the best stuff sometimes. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Aug 20 17:25:59 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Is there a Fasttrack/Promise driver for Linux? Message-ID: After thinking about this for another moment, I remembered in order to boot off of those two drives, I had to set "SCSI device" as the first boot-up device in my BIOS. Bear in mind, I am running mine in RAID0. I can't recall for certain, but I have a slight inkling that my motherboard can't boot off of those IDE channels unless they're in a RAID configuration... Hope this helps, John >>> rpgoldman@real-time.com 08/20/02 03:08PM >>> John Hoffoss writes: > It's perhaps a simple thing, but my mobo has a jumper on it to > enable IDE3 and IDE4 as RAID, and if it's not set to that, then > they are both just two more IDE channels. Both now, and when you > were trying to get your RAID to work, are you certain you had the > jumper set correctly? And is the RAID device now disabled in BIOS? > I think my mobo will have the drives show up when the IDE > controller initializes, but I had problems at one point because I > had set the BIOS setting wrong. Hm. I can see how that might have made it impossible for me to use the device as a RAID device, but what I'm doing IS grabbing these two drives up as just two more IDE channgels (hde and hdf), so why would that make the device unbootable? I did tweak something in the RAID bios to (allegedly) make the drive bootable, but that doesn't seem to have done anything (the BIOS interface, even for a BIOS, which is always crude, is just plain TERRIBLE). _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: No footer WAS: Re: [TCLUG] Other users connecting to an X server In-Reply-To: <200208201106.03941.list@slushpupie.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 11:06:03AM -0500 References: <200208201106.03941.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020820181205.K17346@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 11:06:03AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > How is it your email dosnt have the standard TCLUG list footer? I thought that > got appended to every message. > It's because he PGP signs his messages, the list software isn't quite sure how to append a footer to it, so it doesn't. > Jay -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0500 References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <20020820175917.GA21332@refried.org> <20020820133544.A9634@real-time.com> <20020820192609.GB21332@refried.org> <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020820182044.M17346@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, how is a gnutella expert? > > How about a tclug-RIAA-honeypot rpm and deb? > > Need some backend code to generate fake mp3s with the right names and length, > and some way to report the hits on the honeypot. > If you're going to do this, you don't want the exact same bytesize as the actual songs, it really hampers the gnutella network, and those trying to download music they legally own{rent,lease,whatevertheagreementis}. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 20 18:43:07 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10>; from linux@bmetzler.org on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 04:18:02PM -0500 References: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> Message-ID: <20020820182648.N17346@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 04:18:02PM -0500, Brent Metzler wrote: > But this is RedHat, so the correct way to manage services in this case > is to use chkconfig. and it's so much better than screwing with renaming init scripts.. =) > > man chkconfig should give you enough to start with. To expand on this: chkconfig --level 123456 off ie chkconfig --level 123456 kudzu off chkconfig --level 123456 sendmail off etc. > > -- > Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 > brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 > 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From mbrowne at attbi.com Tue Aug 20 19:21:24 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot and other news: Was ISP bans RIAA access to customers References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> <1135.65.116.187.194.1029880300.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <002301c248a5$921d6980$1e02a8c0@zippy> A pass through TCLUG mail, New York Times, CNN, and spaceweather.com is about all I have time for each day. I find that a slashdot visit leads directly to a 1am bedtime. As always, your milage may vary. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Streit" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers > Not all the time. > > > I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* > > read Slashdot? > > > > - Jared > > > > On Tuesday 20 August 2002 12:28 pm, you wrote: > >> Saw this on /. > >> > >> http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 20 20:44:12 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> References: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> Message-ID: <1029893658.3159.4.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 16:18, Brent Metzler wrote: > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:20, Dave Sherman wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 14:49, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I have installed RH6.2 in an embedded system. I found that the machine > > > takes a long time to boot starting many daemons ( like sendmail etc) and > > > also checking for new hardware which is not required in this system. I > > > would be grateful to you if you can tell me how to prevent these > > > to make the boot time faster. > > > Thanks > > > Sreekumar > > > > If you only want to *disable* automatic startup of certain services at > > boot, then look in the various /etc/rc.d/rc*.d directories, and delete > > (or rename with a lower-case first letter 's') the startup scripts you > > do not want to run. Note that these files are really just symlinks to > > the real files in /etc/rc.d/init.d, so if you delete the links, your > > actual startup scripts will remain intact for later use. Also, the rc*.d > > directories are numbered based on the runlevel you boot into. If you > > boot to a command prompt (no GUI), then rc3.d is the place to focus. If > > you boot to X, then look in rc5.d. > > But this is RedHat, so the correct way to manage services in this case > is to use chkconfig. Y'know, I've heard of chkconfig, but never used it. Somewhere along the way, I learned how to deal directly with the appropriate files, with no need (or even desire) for a front-end. Nevertheless, I think chkconfig is probably a better way of doing things, even if I never bother to use it. That said, though, I was *really* trying to show the individual that it would be better to completely remove unneeded (and inwanted) services, than to simply disable them. Thus my instructions about rpm. If he's running an embedded system, he should really pare the system down to the bare essentials of what he needs, rather than go with a default Red Hat install with many services disabled. Actually, this philosophy applies just as well for any system: completely remove any services you know you won't need, in order to save disk space, processor time, RAM usage, and other resources. Put simply, "Trim the fat!" -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If he's > running an embedded system, he should really pare the system down to the > bare essentials of what he needs, rather than go with a default Red Hat > install with many services disabled. Well, one reason you might want a service disabled instead of removed is if you need to use it only at certain times. For instance, I have Samba installed but don't have it start at boot-up. The only time I need to use Samba is to access shares from a Windows box. So I'll only start Samba if I need to access it from a Windows box, which is rare. > Actually, this philosophy applies > just as well for any system: completely remove any services you know you > won't need, in order to save disk space, processor time, RAM usage, and > other resources. Put simply, "Trim the fat!" > And most of all, for security sake. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Aug 20 21:50:21 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: References: <1029864520.3845.28.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <20020821022918.GA21087@fireopal.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:30:59PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > I'm legitimately curious... is there anyone on this list who *doesn't* read > Slashdot? Only when I see a pointer to something that looks interesting. I can't abide web interfaces to text info - I take my (for fun) mailing lists, and if someone posts an interesting /. bit, I follow up on it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 20 21:54:25 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <1029895277.21608.28.camel@client10> References: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> <1029893658.3159.4.camel@dedannshae> <1029895277.21608.28.camel@client10> Message-ID: <20020821023640.GB27349@sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 09:01:17PM -0500, Brent Metzler wrote: > >Well, one reason you might want a service disabled instead of removed is >if you need to use it only at certain times. For instance, I have Samba >installed but don't have it start at boot-up. The only time I need to >use Samba is to access shares from a Windows box. So I'll only start >Samba if I need to access it from a Windows box, which is rare. Why not use a superserver like xinetd or inetd? > >And most of all, for security sake. And what with the doze boxen on your network you've got enough to worry about. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only time I need to > >use Samba is to access shares from a Windows box. So I'll only start > >Samba if I need to access it from a Windows box, which is rare. > > Why not use a superserver like xinetd or inetd? Because then XP would be trying to access it all the time, and keep it running anyways. I want XP to think it doesn't exist. :) But, as a dev box there are other things that I've got disabled that I only run when I need them. Web servers, databases, stuff like that. I guess the real point I was trying to make was that you might have something disable that you actually use occasionly, so you wouldn't want to remove it. > >And most of all, for security sake. > > And what with the doze boxen on your network you've got enough to worry > about. At least it's not my data that gets hacked. ;) -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Aug 20 22:14:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server Message-ID: <1361.204.221.169.6.1029893934.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> We currently use Novell for logins, home directories, and apps. I want to replace it with a Redhat server. I have a general knowledge of using samba to set up shares for windows, but have a gap in my knowledge how a windows machine would logon to a linux server. I know there must be a ton of docs on this. Can someone point me in the right direction. Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Aug 20 22:34:34 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server In-Reply-To: <1361.204.221.169.6.1029893934.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1361.204.221.169.6.1029893934.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <02082022223000.00879@nancy> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 20:38, you wrote: > We currently use Novell for logins, home directories, and apps. I want to > replace it with a Redhat server. I have a general knowledge of using samba > to set up shares for windows, but have a gap in my knowledge how a windows > machine would logon to a linux server. I know there must be a ton of docs > on this. Can someone point me in the right direction. > > > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 You could give this a read: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/htmldocs/Samba-PDC-HOWTO.html Kelly Black KB0GBJ From ccox at linuxsnob.com Wed Aug 21 06:48:30 2002 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP bans RIAA access to customers In-Reply-To: <20020820144644.B9634@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, how is a gnutella expert? > > How about a tclug-RIAA-honeypot rpm and deb? > > Need some backend code to generate fake mp3s with the right names and length, > and some way to report the hits on the honeypot. > I think these are an important first step. Next couple questions, what other ISP's in the country are looking at this as a possible service to their customers, and can a database similar to the sendmail dnsbl be setup that would allow ISP's to share info between themselves on IPs that are running attacks. This could grow into a much larger protection environment than just RIAA ( but stopping the RIAA would be the most fun) other tech issues that come to mind, the RIAA isn't the only people that scan for hosts via gnutella, and then come looking for exploits, (see firewall log while running any gnutella client) an automated system like this would quickly have the dhcp addresses from most ISPs in the blacklist. these ranges would need to be exempt. ( or only blocked for a period of time) if this doesn't make sense, it's cause it's 5:00 AM. whaddayado? http://www.linuxsnob.com From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 21 07:12:38 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <1029893658.3159.4.camel@dedannshae>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 08:34:13PM -0500 References: <1029874861.3839.46.camel@dedannshae> <1029878282.21019.17.camel@client10> <1029893658.3159.4.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <20020821064516.P17346@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 08:34:13PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Y'know, I've heard of chkconfig, but never used it. Somewhere along the > way, I learned how to deal directly with the appropriate files, with no > need (or even desire) for a front-end. Nevertheless, I think chkconfig > is probably a better way of doing things, even if I never bother to use > it. > > That said, though, I was *really* trying to show the individual that it > would be better to completely remove unneeded (and inwanted) services, > than to simply disable them. Thus my instructions about rpm. Unfortunately the two conflict, renaming files contained in a package is a bad idea, because they won't be cleanly removed if he decides he really doesn't need the serivce, and tries to rpm -e (or apt-get remove) But yes, I totally agree about removing the unneeded packages, if nothing else it saves time when you don't have to download updates for packages you aren't using. > -- > Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty > MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety > | deserve neither liberty nor safety." > | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 21 08:06:18 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php software References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB120@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <004a01c24910$eacd9080$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Assuming he uses Windows, you might look at DreamWeaverMX. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: [TCLUG] php software > Anyone know of a good php software which would allow for easy site layout > and creation? I'm not really looking for a news type thing, mostly > something that will allow easy uploading of product pictures for a > commercial site, and allow the owner of the company to make changes without > having to contact me all the time. > > For those wondering, my girlfriend's dad designs swimsuits, and I'm whacking > up a site for him. No shopping functionality needed or anything, just kind > of a showcase of what he has, a list of stores that sell them, and a way to > contact him. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 21 08:40:42 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server In-Reply-To: <1361.204.221.169.6.1029893934.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > We currently use Novell for logins, home directories, and apps. I want to > replace it with a Redhat server. I have a general knowledge of using samba > to set up shares for windows, but have a gap in my knowledge how a windows > machine would logon to a linux server. I know there must be a ton of docs > on this. Can someone point me in the right direction. I'm currently working on a similar project. My recommendation is to download and build the latest Samba (2.2.5 I think?) and get SWAT running. Once SWAT is up, you have access to a ton of HOWTOs (including the one Kelly Black posted) as well as an online copy of O'reilly's Samba book (an absolute MUST HAVE for all Samba admins!!!) Good luck! -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 21 09:47:34 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server In-Reply-To: References: <1361.204.221.169.6.1029893934.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020821143837.GB28654@sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 08:23:03AM -0500, Brian wrote: > >I'm currently working on a similar project. My recommendation is to >download and build the latest Samba (2.2.5 I think?) and get SWAT >running. Once SWAT is up, you have access to a ton of HOWTOs (including >the one Kelly Black posted) as well as an online copy of O'reilly's Samba >book (an absolute MUST HAVE for all Samba admins!!!) i recommend using swat via webmin (http://www.webmin.com) as it'll let you use via https (provided you setup webmin properly) webmin is a fantastic tool that simplifies many mundane sysadminly tasks. Give it a shot I guarantee you won't be disappointed. (Note: Make sure you install the MD5 perl module so when you add users the passwds are encrypted properly) > >Good luck! > >-Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020821/d35564cf/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 21 10:09:40 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: ; from mj@jentges.net on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 09:37:58AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020821095255.R17346@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 09:37:58AM -0500, Mike Jentges wrote: > > And then..... There's dependancies. More dependancies. Then there's those nasty dependancy issues. Yeah, it's great, I can install a program and it actually works, unlike some of my experiences with debian where it kinda halfway says that you might want to install the other unnamed package that provides (and of course, you're left wondering what the name of that package is) It's nice to see that apt has made its way over to a decent distribution. =) > -mj -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Aug 21 10:27:44 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <20020820182648.N17346@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > chkconfig --level 123456 kudzu off > chkconfig --level 123456 sendmail off > > etc. another goodie you might like: chkconfig --list | grep :on shows you all the services that are starting... -munir From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 21 11:43:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <20020821095255.R17346@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020821095255.R17346@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020821163235.GC28654@sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 09:52:55AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >It's nice to see that apt has made its way over to a decent distribution. Heh, heh, heh. BWAHAHAHAHA. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020821/25bedcef/attachment.pgp From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Aug 21 11:50:15 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821114640.M40476-100000@tcfreenet.org> As long as we're sharing our wisdome, you really should NOT have to use chkconfig with the levels specified. If you do a chkconfig --add service it should look at the stuff in that service file to figure out what level to start in. (e.g. network:# chkconfig: 2345 10 90 is in the network file.) Use chkconfig --del service to remove it from all the levels. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org ''We can build a better product than Linux, ... '' -- MS Windows OS Chief, Jim Allchin (Feb, 2001) On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > chkconfig --level 123456 kudzu off > > chkconfig --level 123456 sendmail off > > > > etc. > > another goodie you might like: > chkconfig --list | grep :on > > shows you all the services that are starting... > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From byin at aracontent.com Wed Aug 21 12:33:02 2002 From: byin at aracontent.com (Bin Yin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE Linux In-Reply-To: <200208211705.g7LH58M19864@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70AA@EG-SVR> Have someone using SUSE instead of using Microsoft? May you please share the experience? Thanks Bin From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 21 16:16:13 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modem Amplifier Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB13D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Anyone tried one of those Motorola Cable Modem Amplifier thingies? My signal is at -10, which is right at the limit, and my connection routinely drops. It was -13, but they gave me a better modem and it improved to -10. I put caps on all of the open cable ports in the house, but it didn't seem to make my signal any better. Unfortunately, the people who built the house must have used cable made out of xmas lights or something, because the farther you get from where it comes into the house, the worse the signal. I ran new cable from the entry point down to my cable modem, but I think the other crappy cable in the house is causing problems. I have splitters, but they all come after the main block, which the cable modem is plugged into. Jay From dave at droyer.org Wed Aug 21 16:33:04 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... Message-ID: <1029964791.1357.185.camel@merlin> I'm in the process of moving and I just talked with Qwest to get DSL turned on and I discovered that they aren't selling the Cisco 678 anymore. It's replacement is something called an ActionTec 1520 (I found them at http://www.actiontec.com/products/) Has anyone heard anything, good or bad about these new routers? From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 21 16:41:57 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modem Amplifier Message-ID: Do you use all of the cable runs from time to time, or are the capped ones never used? Can you disconnect unused runs and test the signal then? It may not make a difference, but it might be something to try. >>> austad@marketwatch.com 08/21/02 03:58PM >>> Anyone tried one of those Motorola Cable Modem Amplifier thingies? My signal is at -10, which is right at the limit, and my connection routinely drops. It was -13, but they gave me a better modem and it improved to -10. I put caps on all of the open cable ports in the house, but it didn't seem to make my signal any better. Unfortunately, the people who built the house must have used cable made out of xmas lights or something, because the farther you get from where it comes into the house, the worse the signal. I ran new cable from the entry point down to my cable modem, but I think the other crappy cable in the house is causing problems. I have splitters, but they all come after the main block, which the cable modem is plugged into. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 21 17:04:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: <1029964791.1357.185.camel@merlin> Message-ID: On 21 Aug 2002, Dave Royer wrote: > I'm in the process of moving and I just talked with Qwest to get DSL > turned on and I discovered that they aren't selling the Cisco 678 > anymore. It's replacement is something called an ActionTec 1520 (I > found them at http://www.actiontec.com/products/) > > Has anyone heard anything, good or bad about these new routers? > > From the spec sheet it looks like it should do the job, but I'm not > sure if I'm going to have to break out the windows box to set it up or > not. Looks like you can set it up with a web browser. Qwest just provides a 'doze utility to do it, though. Pretty nice.. $144 shipped (for ISP's, not sure what the end user cost is, unless you just want the $5/mo thing) isn't bad at all. We haven't gotten one in for testing yet, but are planning on it soon. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 21 17:04:46 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modem Amplifier In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB13D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone tried one of those Motorola Cable Modem Amplifier thingies? > My signal is at -10, which is right at the limit, and my connection > routinely drops. It was -13, but they gave me a better modem and it > improved to -10. I put caps on all of the open cable ports in the > house, but it didn't seem to make my signal any better. > > Unfortunately, the people who built the house must have used cable > made out of xmas lights or something, because the farther you get from > where it comes into the house, the worse the signal. I ran new cable > from the entry point down to my cable modem, but I think the other > crappy cable in the house is causing problems. I have splitters, but > they all come after the main block, which the cable modem is plugged > into. What happens if you disconnect the other cable in the house temporarily and _just_ connect the cable modem to the line? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Aug 21 17:05:11 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time In-Reply-To: <20020821114640.M40476-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > Use > chkconfig --del service > to remove it from all the levels. as far a i can tell this does not work on my RH7.2 boxen -munir From mj at jentges.net Wed Aug 21 17:37:14 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server Message-ID: Actually, there's something out there called mars_nwe or some such that is supposed to emulate a netware server on a linux box. I downloaded it once, but well..... If you look a bit I think you'll find netware & linux get along pretty good. There's ncpfs, etc. Supposedly even NDS support. It's on the list but right now all I do is mount and do some basic backups. Try google for netware & linux. -mj >>> Kelly Black Tuesday, August 20, 2002 >>> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 20:38, you wrote: > We currently use Novell for logins, home directories, and apps. I want to > replace it with a Redhat server. I have a general knowledge of using samba > to set up shares for windows, but have a gap in my knowledge how a windows > machine would logon to a linux server. I know there must be a ton of docs > on this. Can someone point me in the right direction. > > > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 You could give this a read: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/htmldocs/Samba-PDC-HOWTO.html Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Garret_Davis at cargill.com Wed Aug 21 17:37:49 2002 From: Garret_Davis at cargill.com (Garret_Davis@cargill.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support Message-ID: All, I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... TIA, Garret -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 659 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020821/baa83331/BDY.rtf From pjcrump at bitstream.net Wed Aug 21 17:38:11 2002 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unable to establish outgoing connection? Message-ID: Running Mandrake 7.2 I'm having a weird problem .. Today I was dinking around w/ a gui e-mail client (One installed as part of kde) and after running it for the first time I am unable to get an outgoing internet connection, as a matter of fact I can't even ping anything. The key word here is OUTGOING CONNECTION. Incoming connections (I have a web-server on the machine) work fine. I checked the route entries and they look like they did when outgoing connections were working. What else can I check/change that may get me closer to a solution. - PJ From mj at jentges.net Wed Aug 21 17:38:40 2002 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time Message-ID: > That said, though, I was *really* trying to show the individual that it > would be better to completely remove unneeded (and inwanted) services, > than to simply disable them. Thus my instructions about rpm. Unfortunately the two conflict, renaming files contained in a package is a bad idea, because they won't be cleanly removed if he decides he really doesn't need the serivce, and tries to rpm -e (or apt-get remove) But yes, I totally agree about removing the unneeded packages, if nothing else it saves time when you don't have to download updates for packages you aren't using. And then..... There's dependancies. More dependancies. Then there's those nasty dependancy issues. -mj From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Aug 21 18:33:06 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unable to establish outgoing connection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02082118005700.01797@nancy> On Wednesday 21 August 2002 09:16, you wrote: > Running Mandrake 7.2 > I'm having a weird problem .. Today I was dinking around w/ a gui e-mail > client (One installed as part of kde) and after running it for the first > time I am unable to > get an outgoing internet connection, as a matter of fact I can't even ping > anything. The key word here is OUTGOING CONNECTION. Incoming connections > (I have a web-server on the machine) work fine. > I checked the route entries and they look like they did when outgoing > connections were working. What else can I check/change that may get me > closer to a solution. > > - PJ If you are running a firewall on a separate box, check your dns entries in /etc/resolv.conf against the ones given by dhcp on the firewall box. AT&T just changed my dns servers and all my internal boxes lost connectivity till I changed the resolv.conf dns entries. I should probably set up dhcp internally and hand out the current dns at that point using a script, but I guess I will just manually update the boxes for now. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From klinej at msoe.edu Wed Aug 21 18:39:26 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1029970037.1017.1.camel@tranquility> We run linux in a production environment at MSOE. Most of our support is in house, as between both us Linux/Unix admins we have 18+ combined years linux experience. Also mailing lists like this also provide much of our support. We generally only rely on the vendors for hardware support/repair. On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 08:22, Garret_Davis@cargill.com wrote: > All, > > I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an > enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I > have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get > their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run > Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go > directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the > vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... > > TIA, > > Garret > > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 21 19:26:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support In-Reply-To: ; from Garret_Davis@cargill.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 08:22:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020821185612.B16832@real-time.com> Quoting Garret_Davis@cargill.com (Garret_Davis@cargill.com): > All, > > I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an > enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I > have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get > their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run > Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go > directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the > vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... Real Time is all linux except 2 boxes (1 box for MS access for clients/coldfusion-on-linux, 1 box for accounting software). As an ISP we are 24x7x365, we got 91 hosts, running 297 services (according to netsaint). But I still don't think we are "enterprise", but I feel our network topology, linux -and- staff is capable of being at the enterprise level. To be honest, I've found all my answer online (HOWTO, mailing lists, google). So, I've never had to to get -direct- support. I've submitted bugs to Redhat, so I guess I get indirect support from them. My experience with Redhat is that you get BACK what you put IN. If you take the time to submit a detailed bug report, with a walk-through of what you did to troubleshoot it, and the resulting bug. Post it all to bugzilla, you get a response fairly quickly. With all that said (cheap plug), Real Time has found many customers do not have the time search the Internet for help, so we offer several services, much like Redhat and IBM, but much cheaper :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 21 19:35:22 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows logon to linux server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Mike Jentges wrote: > Actually, there's something out there called mars_nwe or some such that is supposed to emulate a netware server on a linux box. I downloaded it once, but well..... Linux and Novell do play well together, but the original poster was actually replacing his Novell server. I suspect it is because although Netware is awesome compared to anything M$ puts out, it still has tremendous licensing fees associated with it. Has anyone messed around with E-directory to manage both their Novell and Linux boxen? I haven't even read the docs, let alone installed it but I'd like to hear if anyone is using such a configuration. -Brian From jack at jacku.com Wed Aug 21 20:57:20 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE Linux In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70AA@EG-SVR> References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70AA@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <200208212046.30860.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 21 August 2002 12:20, Bin Yin wrote: > Have someone using SUSE instead of using Microsoft? May you please share > the experience? > > Thanks > > Bin > In what ways do you wish to use SuSE? I have it as a desktop setup at home, I have installed servers into a few client sites, mail, web, and one where we replaced an older NT server with SuSE 7.3 and Samba to provide basic file/print shares to the users. I have been using SuSE since 5.3(or was it 5.4) in a variety of situations. I have never had an issue with it, except the most recent version of the SuSE installer YaST needed 64(GUI) or 48(console) Mb of RAM to install so I couldn't install it to an older laptop with 40MB of RAM. Otherwise I like it a lot. Its the one I recommend first. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Wed Aug 21 21:11:37 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208212055.28609.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 21 August 2002 08:22, Garret_Davis@cargill.com wrote: > All, > > I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an > enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I > have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get > their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run > Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go > directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the > vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... > > TIA, > > Garret I work for a small consulting company (there are 3 of us at this point in time.) We have installed Linux servers into production environments at 4 locations. We have another client with a Linux server that was installed by someone else to serve a particular application. We are by trade an adminstration/service organization so we deal with providing support to our clients or assisting them in finding it themselves. So the best answer is partner with someone who can provide you with the service level you need. (Maybe Real-Time, maybe us :-), maybe IBM) Then turn to them for support. Or if you buy a commercial distribution you can buy support from that vendor, Red Hat, SuSE, etc. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From pjcrump at bitstream.net Wed Aug 21 21:12:55 2002 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unable to establish outgoing connection? In-Reply-To: <02082118005700.01797@nancy> Message-ID: That was it.. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Black Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:01 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Unable to establish outgoing connection? Importance: High On Wednesday 21 August 2002 09:16, you wrote: > Running Mandrake 7.2 > I'm having a weird problem .. Today I was dinking around w/ a gui e-mail > client (One installed as part of kde) and after running it for the first > time I am unable to > get an outgoing internet connection, as a matter of fact I can't even ping > anything. The key word here is OUTGOING CONNECTION. Incoming connections > (I have a web-server on the machine) work fine. > I checked the route entries and they look like they did when outgoing > connections were working. What else can I check/change that may get me > closer to a solution. > > - PJ If you are running a firewall on a separate box, check your dns entries in /etc/resolv.conf against the ones given by dhcp on the firewall box. AT&T just changed my dns servers and all my internal boxes lost connectivity till I changed the resolv.conf dns entries. I should probably set up dhcp internally and hand out the current dns at that point using a script, but I guess I will just manually update the boxes for now. Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Wed Aug 21 21:14:13 2002 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support In-Reply-To: <1029970037.1017.1.camel@tranquility> Message-ID: Look at Linuxcare -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kline, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Support We run linux in a production environment at MSOE. Most of our support is in house, as between both us Linux/Unix admins we have 18+ combined years linux experience. Also mailing lists like this also provide much of our support. We generally only rely on the vendors for hardware support/repair. On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 08:22, Garret_Davis@cargill.com wrote: > All, > > I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an > enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I > have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get > their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run > Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go > directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the > vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... > > TIA, > > Garret > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Wed Aug 21 21:17:12 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE Linux In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70AA@EG-SVR> Message-ID: I was using SuSe instead of Debian for a while, does that count? My impression: SuSe is quite stable and the default configuration is quite usable for people that are used to a GUI. As far as a replacement for Microsoft...depends on how closely you are bound up in MSOffice and whether the office apps that SuSe packages meet your needs adequately. In short: try it and see if it does what you need. You should be pleasantly surprised by the level of professional "fit and finish" the folks at SuSe have put into their distribution. Dan On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bin Yin wrote: > > Have someone using SUSE instead of using Microsoft? May you please share > the experience? > From davisn at mailandnews.com Wed Aug 21 22:02:03 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting takes time References: Message-ID: <3D645076.11F83925@mailandnews.com> Munir Nassar wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > > > Use > > chkconfig --del service > > to remove it from all the levels. > > as far a i can tell this does not work on my RH7.2 boxen > What doesn't work? What error messages, etc., do you get? From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 21 22:33:32 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apps on OSX Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB134@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone had trouble with the following apps on OSX? Nagios (netsaint) MRTG RRDTool Cricket syslog-ng postfix Jay From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Aug 21 22:53:02 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains Message-ID: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, sites? I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I give each department of a company their own virtual server address. dept.business.com Just courious, thanks Thanks From rummey at black-hole.com Wed Aug 21 23:11:40 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains References: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <004501c24990$bdbbb970$a001a8c0@rummey> I don't personally think you would run into the limitation with a modern server. When it says theoretically it can go as high as you like, that's what it means. As far as benchmarks, I have upwards of 40 running on a minimal server (p2-200, 128 meg ram, IDE) and my load is low and the server is hit frequently (all hits) by virtual domain. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Streit" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains > Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can > run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you > have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many > virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, > sites? > > I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic > was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I > give each department of a company their own virtual server address. > dept.business.com > > Just courious, thanks > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Aug 21 23:12:19 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is diald still the way to go for dial on demand? Message-ID: <01C24966.B7DB7560@GALILEO> Back before I had DSL, I had diald set up on my RH6.2. I'm setting up a new box that needs dial on demand. I noticed that diald is still not part of RH, nor does it seem to have a lot of action on sourceforge. Has it been replaced with a better package? Does ppp now supply dial on demand? Thanks. From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Aug 21 23:12:45 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Support In-Reply-To: <200208212055.28609.jack@jacku.com> References: <200208212055.28609.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <1029989031.30418.6.camel@runabout> On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 20:55, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > service level you need. (Maybe Real-Time, maybe us :-), maybe IBM) Or, some of us here who take on short-term consulting positions as a hobby to see how insane we can become. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dave at droyer.org Wed Aug 21 23:15:21 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin> Thanks for the info. Qwest wouldn't even let me purchase one. They said they were doing the rental thing only. Oh well. We'll try that to start with and see if it makes sense to purchase one. Dave On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 16:57, Nate Carlson wrote: > Looks like you can set it up with a web browser. Qwest just provides a > 'doze utility to do it, though. Pretty nice.. $144 shipped (for ISP's, not > sure what the end user cost is, unless you just want the $5/mo thing) > isn't bad at all. We haven't gotten one in for testing yet, but are > planning on it soon. > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 21 23:19:51 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains In-Reply-To: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com>; from jimstreit@northlans.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:41:26PM -0500 References: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020821230034.A29240@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:41:26PM -0500, Jim Streit wrote: > Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can > run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you > have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many > virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, > sites? > > I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic > was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I > give each department of a company their own virtual server address. > dept.business.com > > Just courious, thanks > > Thanks I've seen servers running a couple thousand 'small, low traffic' sites, it is true, as long as you have the CPU/RAM/OS to do it, apache seems to keep chugging merrily along forever =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Aug 21 23:22:25 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains Message-ID: <01C24966.CB992B60@GALILEO> Virtual domains work by matching the URL stated on the browser get request to a table in the httpd.conf file. It takes very little system resource to keep this table in memory. It is virtually unlimited, providing you have the horsepower, bandwidth, and disk space to service those pages. You can have 200 sites if none of them have any traffic. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Streit [SMTP:jimstreit@northlans.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, sites? I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I give each department of a company their own virtual server address. dept.business.com Just courious, thanks Thanks _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3798 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020821/e436c81b/attachment.bin From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 21 23:30:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains In-Reply-To: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Jim Streit wrote: > Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can > run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you > have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many > virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, > sites? My guess would be that there's some limit where Apache finally pukes because it just can't process a config file of that size. If you can't find an absolute value (well into the thousands, I'm sure), that probably means no one is insane enough to try it. Hmmm... maybe that's what I'll do this weekend :-) I've got something like 30 virtual hosts set up on my Cele 400 box with 128MB. I was running around 20 on a 486 with 16, while response was slow Apache didn't seem to mind too much. It served as best it could, without errors or dropped connections. YMMV, of course. -Brian From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Aug 21 23:35:19 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about syncing up by FTP Message-ID: <15716.26136.630518.818482@tsathoggua.mydomain> I'd like to be able to sync a directory across ftp. [for those who care why: I have a Mandrake 8.1 box and for some reason urpmi/rpmdrake is busted and no one at MandrakeExpert can figure out why. So I want to mirror the updates directory.] Ordinarily, if I was going to sync directories, I'd use rsync, but that doesn't seem available. So, is there anything like rsync-over-ftp? From the ncftp man pages, that doesn't seem to do the job. Suggestions? thanks, r From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 00:14:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin>; from dave@droyer.org on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:40:16PM -0500 References: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <20020822000523.C16832@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Royer (dave@droyer.org): > Thanks for the info. Qwest wouldn't even let me purchase one. They > said they were doing the rental thing only. Serious? What is the break-even mark? Meaning how long do you have to rent it before you actually start paying more for it then if you buy it outright? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 00:25:52 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! Message-ID: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 22 00:49:03 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! Are you trying to say Sourceforge are sellouts, or Microsoft are advertizing in the wrong place? (: There is Windows software on Sourceforge, btw. -Yaron -- From byin at aracontent.com Thu Aug 22 05:53:20 2002 From: byin at aracontent.com (Bin Yin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse Linux questions Message-ID: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR> We are implementing a Linux server and want to migrate from Outlook to some other e-mail, calendar, task, and contact software. Does anyone have any suggestions of a software to use that has the same look, feel and functionality as Outlook? Also, do you have any advice on how to migrate existing contacts from Outlook to that software? Thanks Bin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020822/664e7fa1/attachment.htm From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 22 07:32:10 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020822122001.GB5010@sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! Uhhh, they pay to advertise and sourceforges parent company is a capitalist organization and took thier money. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020822/cb140dbb/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 22 08:02:00 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... References: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <005d01c249da$b375dfa0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Sounds like DSL through MSN? I know MSN supplies the equipment and it is Microsoft only of course. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Royer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... > Thanks for the info. Qwest wouldn't even let me purchase one. They > said they were doing the rental thing only. > > Oh well. We'll try that to start with and see if it makes sense to > purchase one. > > Dave > > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 16:57, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Looks like you can set it up with a web browser. Qwest just provides a > > 'doze utility to do it, though. Pretty nice.. $144 shipped (for ISP's, not > > sure what the end user cost is, unless you just want the $5/mo thing) > > isn't bad at all. We haven't gotten one in for testing yet, but are > > planning on it soon. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 22 08:06:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is diald still the way to go for dial on demand? In-Reply-To: <01C24966.B7DB7560@GALILEO> References: <01C24966.B7DB7560@GALILEO> Message-ID: <20020822124422.GA30731@fandre.com> Yes, it is now build into pppd. man pppd, and look for "demand". I used it for over a year when I was still on dialup and it worked great. -- Clay On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Back before I had DSL, I had diald set up on my RH6.2. I'm setting up a new box that needs dial on demand. > > I noticed that diald is still not part of RH, nor does it seem to have a lot of action on sourceforge. Has it been replaced with a better package? Does ppp now supply dial on demand? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 22 08:22:10 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains In-Reply-To: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <200208220807.13454.list@slushpupie.com> You will hit a limit based on the number of open file descriptors. I dont know the limit off hand in linux, but if you have apache virtual servers with their own error and access logs (2 open files each) plus serving files (each served file needs to be opened) you will hit the max in linux somewhere just beyond 200 sites if I remember correctly. The limit can be modified if you need to go higher, or you can play tricks like have 2 instances of apache running on the same server. If you are talking about an intranet server, IP's are cheap and you can give each copy of apache its own IP. Jay On Wednesday 21 August 2002 10:41 pm, Jim Streit wrote: > Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can > run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you > have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many > virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, > sites? > > I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic > was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I > give each department of a company their own virtual server address. > dept.business.com > > Just courious, thanks > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Thu Aug 22 08:30:56 2002 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: Strong points of Exchange (was: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers) Message-ID: <8FE4334F870BE141894B91D5DA260F8B0156@mailserver.morganhunter.com> On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > b. from what I hear, these files get corrupted on a regular basis; and > they take *forever* to fix. I know of an administrator who has a quad > xeon box, just for rebuilding corrupt Exchange databases. (and it > still takes many hours to rebuild them). >>Both of these are addressed if you set up the message store to be an SQL >>server, or so someone said earlier this week on the list. You cant use SQL as your message store with exchange server its not an option also the problems people had with database corruption on exchange server were with version 4.0 and 5.0 Microsoft completely redesigned the database store with exchange 5.5 and again in exchange 2000 I have had exchange 5.5 running for over 2 years and have yet to have any database corruption and we store a lot of data in exchange both of our Exchange Servers have over 10 gigs of data stored on each of them (not that this compares with some oracle installations but exchange and oracle are two different products with two different purposes) Forrest Dickinson Network Administrator Morgan Hunter Companies 7600 West 110th Street Overland Park, KS 66210 (913) 409-1230 mailto://fdickinson@morganhunter.com http://www.morganhunter.com From foeclan at visi.com Thu Aug 22 08:36:47 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D64E5B2.8040600@visi.com> I have a theory... Sourceforge had ad space, and Microsoft had money. They were walking along and ran into each other, and Sourceforge said, 'You got your money in my bank account!' and Microsoft said 'You got our ad on your website!' and they both thought it tasted great together. Sarcasm aside, money is money, and it's also possible they just subscribe to an ad service that has some MS ads in their list. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com Bob Tanner wrote: >What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! > > > From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 08:52:42 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse Linux questions In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR>; from byin@aracontent.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 03:18:24PM -0500 References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <20020822083706.G7685@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 03:18:24PM -0500, Bin Yin (byin@aracontent.com) wrote: > We are implementing a Linux server and want to migrate from Outlook to > some other e-mail, calendar, task, and contact software. Does anyone have > any suggestions of a software to use that has the same look, feel and > functionality as Outlook? Also, do you have any advice on how to migrate > existing contacts from Outlook to that software? For same look-n-feel, look at evolution. http://www.ximian.com/products/ximian_evolution/ As for migrating contacts, there is an import function in evolution, but I haven't used it. You can probably import a tab-delimited file. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020822/78d8e5b0/attachment.pgp From dante at plethora.net Thu Aug 22 09:02:41 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: Strong points of Exchange (was: Re: [TCLUG] New thread: iCal servers) In-Reply-To: <8FE4334F870BE141894B91D5DA260F8B0156@mailserver.morganhunter.com> Message-ID: Since Exchange uses a database backend, is there provision for connecting it to an existing Oracle/DB2/Sybase database? That would eliminate a lot of the stability/recovery problems in a manner acceptable to even the most demanding shops. Dan On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > b. from what I hear, these files get corrupted on a regular basis; and > > they take *forever* to fix. I know of an administrator who has a quad > > xeon box, just for rebuilding corrupt Exchange databases. (and it > > still takes many hours to rebuild them). > >>Both of these are addressed if you set up the message store to be an SQL > >>server, or so someone said earlier this week on the list. > > > You cant use SQL as your message store with exchange server its not an > option also the problems people had with database corruption on exchange > server were with version 4.0 and 5.0 Microsoft completely redesigned the > database store with exchange 5.5 and again in exchange 2000 I have had > exchange 5.5 running for over 2 years and have yet to have any database > corruption and we store a lot of data in exchange both of our Exchange > Servers have over 10 gigs of data stored on each of them (not that this > compares with some oracle installations but exchange and oracle are two > different products with two different purposes) > > > > Forrest Dickinson > Network Administrator > Morgan Hunter Companies > 7600 West 110th Street > Overland Park, KS 66210 > (913) 409-1230 > mailto://fdickinson@morganhunter.com > http://www.morganhunter.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dante at plethora.net Thu Aug 22 09:08:02 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse Linux questions In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bin Yin wrote: > We are implementing a Linux server and want to migrate from Outlook to > some other e-mail, calendar, task, and contact software. Does anyone > have any suggestions of a software to use that has the same look, feel > and functionality as Outlook? I am told that Evolution is a dead ringer, but why would you run that type of application on a server? > Also, do you have any advice on how to > migrate existing contacts from Outlook to that software? Sorry, no idea, I would guess by exporting it then importing it using CSV format. Dan From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 22 09:13:10 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020822122001.GB5010@sistina.com> References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> <20020822122001.GB5010@sistina.com> Message-ID: <1030023313.3702.7.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 07:20, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! > > Uhhh, they pay to advertise and sourceforges parent company is a capitalist > organization and took thier money. Worse, SF is most likely trading ads with DoubleClick again and only merely getting SF ads on other sites periodically. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 09:21:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 12:32:41AM -0500 References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020822090414.D16832@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey, > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! > > Are you trying to say Sourceforge are sellouts, or Microsoft are > advertizing in the wrong place? (: SF is sellouts. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 09:22:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse Linux questions In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR>; from byin@aracontent.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 03:18:24PM -0500 References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70B4@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <20020822090547.E16832@real-time.com> Quoting Bin Yin (byin@aracontent.com): > > We are implementing a Linux server and want to migrate from Outlook to > some other e-mail, calendar, task, and contact software. Does anyone > have any suggestions of a software to use that has the same look, feel > and functionality as Outlook? Also, do you have any advice on how to > migrate existing contacts from Outlook to that software? > Thanks I think KMail + KPim (part of KDE) make a very good soultion. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 22 09:59:28 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about syncing up by FTP In-Reply-To: <15716.26136.630518.818482@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15716.26136.630518.818482@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20020822144619.GA22121@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 11:18:32PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I'd like to be able to sync a directory across ftp. The wget program supports ftp and has a handy command line option to mirror a remote site. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From byin at aracontent.com Thu Aug 22 10:00:04 2002 From: byin at aracontent.com (Bin Yin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Suse questions Message-ID: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70BB@EG-SVR> Thanks everyone! Would you please tell me more about your experience of conversion from Outlook to Linux? I appreciate it very much. Bin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020822/a6279091/attachment.html From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 22 10:00:28 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020822090414.D16832@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > SF is sellouts. So you haven't seen the big Visual Studio .NET ads on Slashdot either? MS marketing must have some enormous benefit over other ads. For instance, 3 months after I signed up for 2 years of Linux Magazine, I suddenly get a 2 page ad in every issue for Microsoft's hosting services. How much is MS shelling out for ad space in linux publications? -Brian From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Aug 22 10:43:40 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 01:37:43PM -0500 References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020822102958.B1056@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! You still see banner ads when browsing the web? ick =) Try privoxy. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 10:46:42 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Support In-Reply-To: ; from Garret_Davis@cargill.com on Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 08:22:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020822103403.J7685@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 08:22:43AM -0500, Garret_Davis@cargill.com (Garret_Davis@cargill.com) wrote: > All, > > I'm in the middle of a project determining where Linux fits in at an > enterprise level within the company I work for. One of the questions I > have a hard time getting a real world answer too is "Where do people get > their support from"? I would like to know if any of you on this list run > Linux in production situations and who you use for support. Do you go > directly to Redhat....Do you just use the internet...Do you use the > vendor you purchased the server from, like IBM... Where I work, we currently have about 50 Linux boxes (that number is rapidly growing). We do not purchase software support for any of them. We just use in-house expertise and mailing lists/web sites to solve problems. If you have in-house expertise, I don't think you'd benefit a lot from commercial Linux support. The only commercial software we run on Linux is Oracle and I think we do have support for that. Hardware support, on other other hand, can be useful. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or is there a decent masqdialer Windows client that I missed? Or perhaps a different solution now. I thought I tried ppp on demand, but it would only bring up the connection if the box it was installed on needed it, not other clients. But I might not have understood how to configure it properly. Thanks, Brent On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 07:44, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yes, it is now build into pppd. man pppd, and look for "demand". I > used it for over a year when I was still on dialup and it worked > great. > > -- Clay > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > Back before I had DSL, I had diald set up on my RH6.2. I'm setting up a new box that needs dial on demand. > > > > I noticed that diald is still not part of RH, nor does it seem to have a lot of action on sourceforge. Has it been replaced with a better package? Does ppp now supply dial on demand? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Aug 22 10:52:02 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <3D64E5B2.8040600@visi.com> References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> <3D64E5B2.8040600@visi.com> Message-ID: <1030030241.20792.133.camel@client10> On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 08:22, Michael Vieths wrote: > Sarcasm aside, money is money, and it's also possible they just > subscribe to an ad service that has some MS ads in their list. You probably got closest with the last guess. These are doubleclick ads, if you check the link. So I imagine that Microsoft just asked doubleclick to run their ads on tech sites. Microsoft probably doesn't even know that their are being run on a Linux site :) BTW, the ads run on all OSDN sites. -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 From dave at droyer.org Thu Aug 22 12:11:03 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: <005d01c249da$b375dfa0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin> <005d01c249da$b375dfa0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020822165526.GB9545@merlin.droyer.org> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:51:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Sounds like DSL through MSN? I know MSN supplies the equipment and it is > Microsoft only of course. > Nope...I'm with Real-time and I just heard they got the connect notice today. Dave From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu Aug 22 12:34:54 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win2000 Netmeeting through RH7.2 server Message-ID: <00a201c24a01$53da3fb0$0201a8c0@office> Ok ... I have RH7.2 running an IPCHAINS firewall (it has worked before so I thought why convert to iptables until I absolutely have to). I have a Win2000 box behind the firewall on an internal network and I want to be able to call out with NetMeeting for video conferencing. On a Caldera 2.2.X kernel I used IP Masquerading. What is the equivalent on RH7.2 with a 2.4.X kernel and does anyone know of a HOW-TO that exists out there? There is one IP that I need to connect to on a weekly basis. I have them listed in my firewall to have full access, but even with that, the last couple of times we have videoconferenced they can hear me and see me (sometimes hangs), but I can not hear or see them. Nothing shows up in the log file as well. The "chat" version of NetMeeting works fine. Many thanks in advance. Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life." - Immanuel Kant ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020822/5471c6d7/attachment.html From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 22 12:35:24 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains In-Reply-To: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> References: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: "Jim Streit" writes: > Does anyone know how many virtual domains / web sites an apache server can > run? Most everything i've came across on the web says that as long as you > have the CPU power and enough RAM, that you can keep adding as many > virtual sites as you want, but what does that really mean? 4, 10, 40, 200, > sites? > > I understand most of limitations would be based on how heavy the traffic > was, but saying that each site gets very minimal traffic. Say like if I > give each department of a company their own virtual server address. > dept.business.com I'm currently running 53 virtual hosts on a dual-processor Pentium Pro (200MHz each). Serving more than a gigabyte a day of web content. (The number is a count of sections in my Apache config file). With a load average mostly around .1 (and that's when I'm on running emacs and reading mail like this). So I'm nowhere near the limits of either Apache or my processors. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 22 12:47:49 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: <20020822165526.GB9545@merlin.droyer.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:51:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Sounds like DSL through MSN? I know MSN supplies the equipment and it is > Microsoft only of course. Does anyone here have any experience using DSL with MSN? For circumstances beyond my control, a friend of mine is getting Qwest/MSN DSL. I know, friends don't let friends use MSN, out of my hands :-(. Anyway, she wantrs to share the connection. MSN strictly say no-no to that, but has anyone set up a DSL router with their modem? It's all external, and I assume if it's got an IP address I can make it work, but is there anything I need to know before digging in? -Brian From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 22 12:55:56 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache virtual domains In-Reply-To: <200208220807.13454.list@slushpupie.com> References: <1352.192.168.70.25.1029987686.squirrel@www.northlans.com> <200208220807.13454.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: Jay Kline writes: > You will hit a limit based on the number of open file descriptors. I dont know > the limit off hand in linux, but if you have apache virtual servers with > their own error and access logs (2 open files each) plus serving files (each > served file needs to be opened) you will hit the max in linux somewhere just > beyond 200 sites if I remember correctly. The limit can be modified if you > need to go higher, or you can play tricks like have 2 instances of apache > running on the same server. If you are talking about an intranet server, IP's > are cheap and you can give each copy of apache its own IP. Valid points there. I'm not running separate logs, which eliminates a lot of it. (Oh, I've got *one* site with separate logs, so I'm running two sets). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 22 13:06:09 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win2000 Netmeeting through RH7.2 server Message-ID: Randy, IPChains on RH72 (or any 2.4.x kernel distribution) is an emulation layer (in module form) on top of IPTables. If NetMeeting needs port forwarding or redirection to make it work properly you will probably need to drop the IPChains emulation layer and convert your rules for IPTables. The external programs IPChains used to make port forwarding and redirection work will not work with the emulation layer. So, I think now is the time you absolutely have to convert or go backwards. Once you do wrap your head around IPTables, though, I think you will appreciate it's advantages over IPChains. Good luck, Troy >>> rclark@lakesplus.com 08/22/02 12:28PM >>> Ok ... I have RH7.2 running an IPCHAINS firewall (it has worked before so I thought why convert to iptables until I absolutely have to). I have a Win2000 box behind the firewall on an internal network and I want to be able to call out with NetMeeting for video conferencing. On a Caldera 2.2.X kernel I used IP Masquerading. What is the equivalent on RH7.2 with a 2.4.X kernel and does anyone know of a HOW-TO that exists out there? There is one IP that I need to connect to on a weekly basis. I have them listed in my firewall to have full access, but even with that, the last couple of times we have videoconferenced they can hear me and see me (sometimes hangs), but I can not hear or see them. Nothing shows up in the log file as well. The "chat" version of NetMeeting works fine. Many thanks in advance. Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life." - Immanuel Kant ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 22 13:27:59 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, nevermind. A quick search on Google turned up the answer on the first hit. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 15:18:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! VA needs money, Microsoft gives them money, they take it? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 22 16:10:04 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] making mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 only Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Anyone know how to make mysql only listen on 127.0.0.1? Also, does anyone know how to make a PHP script use mysql over a Unix socket connection? Jay From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Aug 22 17:26:12 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] making mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 only In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200208221641.28715.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Just set "skip-networking" in /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Under the [mysqld] section. I have no idea about the PHP thing. I would just have it use localhost myself. Bret. On Thursday 22 August 2002 03:55 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone know how to make mysql only listen on 127.0.0.1? > > Also, does anyone know how to make a PHP script use mysql over a Unix > socket connection? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's pretty hilarious. -David Brian wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > SF is sellouts. > > So you haven't seen the big Visual Studio .NET ads on Slashdot either? > > MS marketing must have some enormous benefit over other ads. > For instance, 3 months after I signed up for 2 years of Linux > Magazine, I suddenly get a 2 page ad in every issue for > Microsoft's hosting services. How much is MS shelling out > for ad space in linux publications? > > -Brian > > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 22 17:54:24 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] making mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 only Message-ID: Jay, You can set things in "/etc/my.cnf" and "/etc/php.ini" that will affect everything, but if you just want one script you should RTFM: :-) mysql_connect (PHP3 , PHP4 ) mysql_connect -- Open a connection to a MySQL Server Description int mysql_connect ([string hostname [:port] [:/path/to/socket] [, string username [, string password]]]) Returns: A positive MySQL link identifier on success, or an error message on failure. mysql_connect() establishes a connection to a MySQL server. All of the arguments are optional, and if they're missing, defaults are assumed ('localhost', user name of the user that owns the server process, empty password). The hostname string can also include a port number. eg. "hostname:port" or a path to a socket eg. ":/path/to/socket" for the localhost. Note: Support for ":port" was added in PHP 3.0B4. Support for ":/path/to/socket" was added in PHP 3.0.10. You can suppress the error message on failure by prepending '@' to the function name. In case a second call is made to mysql_connect() with the same arguments, no new link will be established, but instead, the link identifier of the already opened link will be returned. The link to the server will be closed as soon as the execution of the script ends, unless it's closed earlier by explicitly calling mysql_close(). Example 1. MySQL connect example See also mysql_pconnect(), and mysql_close(). ========== Good luck, Troy >>> austad@marketwatch.com 08/22/02 03:55PM >>> Anyone know how to make mysql only listen on 127.0.0.1? Also, does anyone know how to make a PHP script use mysql over a Unix socket connection? Jay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Aug 22 19:13:39 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is diald still the way to go for dial on demand? Message-ID: <01C24A0C.00700700@GALILEO> If I pppd's dial on demand works like diald, it should support additional systems providing you have the linux system set up for routing and possible even masquerading (aka DNAT). -----Original Message----- From: Brent Metzler [SMTP:linux@bmetzler.org] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:28 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Is diald still the way to go for dial on demand? Since the thread is here, I thought I might go ahead and ask. About 2 years ago I set up a network dialup with masqdialer. The Windows client worked slick and everyone was happy. However, early this year I had to set up another dialup network, and I couldn't find any Windows clients anymore. I think I found one, but it was junk. So, does ppp allow you to remotely bring up a connection? Or is there a decent masqdialer Windows client that I missed? Or perhaps a different solution now. I thought I tried ppp on demand, but it would only bring up the connection if the box it was installed on needed it, not other clients. But I might not have understood how to configure it properly. Thanks, Brent On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 07:44, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yes, it is now build into pppd. man pppd, and look for "demand". I > used it for over a year when I was still on dialup and it worked > great. > > -- Clay > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > Back before I had DSL, I had diald set up on my RH6.2. I'm setting up a new box that needs dial on demand. > > > > I noticed that diald is still not part of RH, nor does it seem to have a lot of action on sourceforge. Has it been replaced with a better package? Does ppp now supply dial on demand? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a new server with 2-1.3GHZ > which I want to install redHat 7.3 on if it will work. > Duel processors have been illegal since 1873. However, if you have seconds lined up already, MySQL makes an ideal platform for tracking your wins. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dante at plethora.net Thu Aug 22 20:18:48 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] making mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 only In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone know how to make mysql only listen on 127.0.0.1? > > Also, does anyone know how to make a PHP script use mysql over a Unix socket > connection? > Preferred method is to just use a Unix filesystem socket and not turn on the TCP/IP socket at all. Barring that I believe you can limit access to localhost, but the socket would appear on all interfaces anyway. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 20:21:37 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duel proccessors? In-Reply-To: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1030064464.3246.14.camel@dedannshae> On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 12:38, Raymond Norton wrote: > Does RedHat 7.3 support duel proccessors? I have a new server with 2-1.3GHZ > which I want to install redHat 7.3 on if it will work. I think "duel" processors would present a hardware conflict ;-P "Dual" processors, on the other hand, should be supported out of the box. IIRC, RedHat provides both uniprocessor and SMP kernels, and the installer should automatically detect and install the correct one. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(and it > > still takes many hours to rebuild them). > >>Both of these are addressed if you set up the message store to be an SQL > >>server, or so someone said earlier this week on the list. > > > You cant use SQL as your message store with exchange server its not an > option also the problems people had with database corruption on exchange > server were with version 4.0 and 5.0 Microsoft completely redesigned the > database store with exchange 5.5 and again in exchange 2000 I have had > exchange 5.5 running for over 2 years and have yet to have any database > corruption and we store a lot of data in exchange both of our Exchange > Servers have over 10 gigs of data stored on each of them (not that this > compares with some oracle installations but exchange and oracle are two > different products with two different purposes) From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 22 20:30:13 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Suse questions In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70BB@EG-SVR>; from byin@aracontent.com on Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 09:46:42AM -0500 References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70BB@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <20020822143113.F16832@real-time.com> Quoting Bin Yin (byin@aracontent.com): > > Thanks everyone! > > > Would you please tell me more about your experience of conversion from > Outlook to Linux? Outlook is a mail program (MUA), linux is an operating system (OS). What MUA under linux do you want experiences on? evolution? kmail? mutt? pine? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From dave at droyer.org Thu Aug 22 20:53:49 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New DSL Router from Qwest... In-Reply-To: <20020822000523.C16832@real-time.com> References: <1029987616.1757.5.camel@merlin> <20020822000523.C16832@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020822165421.GA9545@merlin.droyer.org> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 12:05:23AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Dave Royer (dave@droyer.org): > > Thanks for the info. Qwest wouldn't even let me purchase one. They > > said they were doing the rental thing only. > > Serious? > Yep. The drone I was talking to said they weren't selling them anymore. > What is the break-even mark? > > Meaning how long do you have to rent it before you actually start paying more > for it then if you buy it outright? > They're renting them for $5/mo. Looking around the manufacturer's website, it looks like the boxes sell for $100-$150 (you can buy right on-line). Worst case, they start making money after 20 months or so. I'm going to try the rental thing to start with. I want to see which box it actually is and such. Qwest said there's no rental contract so you can stop renting whenever you like. Dave From jiml at visi.com Thu Aug 22 21:43:48 2002 From: jiml at visi.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duel proccessors? In-Reply-To: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: I believe a look at the RedHat doco on the RedHat site should give a good answer for that. jl ----------- James Louis ;) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:39 PM To: ; Subject: [TCLUG] duel proccessors? Does RedHat 7.3 support duel proccessors? I have a new server with 2-1.3GHZ which I want to install redHat 7.3 on if it will work. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 22 23:20:10 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Support In-Reply-To: <20020822103403.J7685@real-time.com> References: <20020822103403.J7685@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1030072757.3702.49.camel@runabout> On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 10:34, Amy Tanner wrote: > Where I work, we currently have about 50 Linux boxes (that number is rapidly I keep on thinking I've got at least 150, perhaps closer to 200. Neat thing about a good system of working is when you don't actually know when a pin drops or something changes because others have taken care of it behind your back. :) > growing). We do not purchase software support for any of them. We just Ditto. There is a wealth of great information out there on the net, and people here will help in a pinch. I've got no qualms 'learning' along with others on the list by providing help. > commercial Linux support. The only commercial software we run on Linux > is Oracle and I think we do have support for that. Hardware support, > on other other hand, can be useful. We've got a few commercial packages, and unless they directly harm your company if it breaks badly, its not worth it. Perhaps for things like oracle a 'per incident' package might be worth it. Perhaps finding an oracle dba if it really matters that much. :) Most commercial software companies are good enough to make the software installable and supportable, otherwise their market uses other software. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 22 23:22:37 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020822202821.GA723@iucha.net> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 03:03:47PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! > > VA needs money, Microsoft gives them money, they take it? 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Kelly Black KB0GBJ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 22 23:42:11 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duel proccessors? In-Reply-To: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: "Raymond Norton" writes: > Does RedHat 7.3 support duel proccessors? I have a new server with 2-1.3GHZ > which I want to install redHat 7.3 on if it will work. I've been running 6 series and 7 series RedHat distributions on dual processor systems for some time. Mine are older, 200MHz Pentium Pro, but they work fine. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 23 00:41:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNOME = geometry, KDE != geometry Message-ID: <20020823002854.H2123@real-time.com> GNOME = geometry, KDE != geometry Under Ximian GNOME when I resize an application, the window manager puts a nice little popup show the geometry as I resize. I cannot seem to duplicate this feature in KDE. Anyone know if this feature is available in KDE? If so, how do you turn it on? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Aug 23 09:45:44 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020822202821.GA723@iucha.net> References: <20020821133743.O2123@real-time.com> <20020822202821.GA723@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020823143306.GA9989@sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 03:28:21PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >> VA needs money, Microsoft gives them money, they take it? > >I was going to write a long reply about moral values, freedom, money but it >got too long... It's a pretty moot point anyway. If M$ wants to fund the devel, upkeep, and bandwidth costs of the sourceforge servers through advertising so be it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Besides, sourceforge hosts all kinds of software, not just free stuff. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020823/fccc310c/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 23 10:27:02 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! Message-ID: I am one who enjoys the irony of MS supporting something they believe is a "cancer" to their business. But... I do hope they are getting these ads through doubleclick, because I don't think MS is stupid. They have a tradition of fostering dependence and then using that dependence to their own ends. Not looking a gift horse in the mouth had serious repercussions for the Trojans. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 08/23/02 09:33AM >>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 03:28:21PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >> VA needs money, Microsoft gives them money, they take it? >I was going to write a long reply about moral values, freedom, money but it >got too long... It's a pretty moot point anyway. If M$ wants to fund the devel, upkeep, and bandwidth costs of the sourceforge servers through advertising so be it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Besides, sourceforge hosts all kinds of software, not just free stuff. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 23 12:05:18 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duel proccessors? In-Reply-To: <1146.204.220.62.130.1030037911.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Raymond Norton wrote: > Does RedHat 7.3 support duel proccessors? I have a new server with > 2-1.3GHZ which I want to install redHat 7.3 on if it will work. s/duel/dual/, yes. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 23 23:27:39 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl GD module - argh! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB166@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I cannot get the perl GD module to compile. I have gd-2.0.1 installed, and when I do a "install GD" in CPAN, it compiles fine, but 9/10 tests during the "make test" fail. I have no idea why. Previously I had perl version 5.005, but when I installed a different module via CPAN, it upgraded my perl to 5.8.0. Could it have something to do with this? Jay From dante at plethora.net Sat Aug 24 02:07:47 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <20020822202821.GA723@iucha.net> Message-ID: Corporations have no morals. On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 03:03:47PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > What's up with the Microsoft adds on SourceForge! > > > > VA needs money, Microsoft gives them money, they take it? > > I was going to write a long reply about moral values, freedom, money but it > got too long... > -- Daniel Taylor From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Sat Aug 24 02:11:04 2002 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bayespam - The qmail spam filter that learns Message-ID: Thought some folks might be interested in this. Looks pretty cool. http://www.garyarnold.com/projects.php#bayespam From wilson at visi.com Sat Aug 24 07:45:11 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bayespam - The qmail spam filter that learns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020824123519.GA853@isis.visi.com> On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 09:42:25AM -0500, Siems, Gregory wrote: > Thought some folks might be interested in this. Looks pretty cool. > > http://www.garyarnold.com/projects.php#bayespam My impression when I read the original article was that the Bayesian filter would be best implemented in the MUA, not the MTA. I was figuring that I'd see something in mutt, not qmail (or postfix, sendmail, etc.). The article mentions having a "delete as spam" in addition to the regular delete option. Thus each user would have their own personal archive of spam and non-spam on which to base further filtering decisions. Can you do plugins for mutt? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From dave at droyer.org Sat Aug 24 10:30:04 2002 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bayespam - The qmail spam filter that learns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030202122.1757.87.camel@merlin> I've been playing with this for a couple days now. I'm in the process of trying to get it hooked into my procmail scripts but I haven't had the time yet. The perl scripts are not MTA-specific for the most part. The main Bayes Filter stuff is self-contained and returns 0 for non-spam and non-0 for spam. It shouldn't be too hard to hook it into whatever program you want. Dave On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 09:42, Siems, Gregory wrote: > Thought some folks might be interested in this. Looks pretty cool. > From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sat Aug 24 11:57:07 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential answer to Apache virtual host question Message-ID: <1030119691.2627.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was intrigued by how many virtual hosts apache can have so I asked around. Credit for this goes to Daniel J. Cody of freedom2operate (http://f2o.org) : Apache used to be able to have 1024 virtual hosts, smallint. This was expanded to 32364 virtual hosts, largeint. I don't know my smallint from my large int, but there you have it. This is an old link, but it gives some interesting tidbits. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/descriptors.html Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET From cbidler at innominatus.com Sat Aug 24 12:41:59 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl GD module - argh! References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB166@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3D67BFD5.2040107@innominatus.com> Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I cannot get the perl GD module to compile. I have gd-2.0.1 installed, > and when I do a "install GD" in CPAN, it compiles fine, but 9/10 tests > during the "make test" fail. I have no idea why. > > Previously I had perl version 5.005, but when I installed a different module > via CPAN, it upgraded my perl to 5.8.0. Could it have something to do with > this? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 1. Does anyone know how to turn the "auto-upgrade to new Perl version" feature of CPAN *off*? I find it very, *very* annoying when I'm trying to add a module to a system that should not, for whatever reason, get Perl 5..0 just now. 2. What I always do in this situation is go into the ~/.cpan/build/ directory, and do all of the following: make clean rm Makefile perl -w Makefile.PL make make test Many times I see the cause of the error using this process, when it either is not reported, or flashes by before I notice it, in the CPAN shell. From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Aug 24 12:53:56 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! References: Message-ID: <3D67C5C3.8F3988BD@ppdonline.com> > Corporations have no morals. Corporations are not mythical beasts, they are simply the sum of all their workers and stockholders. It's real easy to bash a faceless company but try telling Fred from accounting that he's the devil because of the way he interpreted our maze of financial laws. (sorry for the off-topic rant but this climate of demonizing corporate America is really starting to get on my nerves) Later, Ben (part of a corporation as a programmer and complete with morals). From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 24 12:59:59 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap Message-ID: Hey all, ok, I've decided that the reason my machine hands a lot is because I've got 1.6GB of swap space spread out across 13 swap files. I did this because Linux wouldn't let me make a 1.6GB Swap partition - I thought the 128MB limit was well gone by now. Anyway, I don't know WHY I think that's what's making this thing hang, but I figure I may as well try and get rid of it. Can Linux do huge swap partitions yet, am I missing something, or what? -Yaron -- From KSchoenhofen at Carlson.com Sat Aug 24 13:00:34 2002 From: KSchoenhofen at Carlson.com (KSchoenhofen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recall Information Message-ID: <200208232307.g7NN7qi507642@logs-th.proxy.aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020824/6a8cb8da/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: audio/x-midi Size: 95434 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020824/6a8cb8da/attachment.bin From klinej at msoe.edu Sat Aug 24 13:52:38 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030212175.1006.0.camel@tranquility> All of our servers have 2GB of swap in a single partition/file, we have no problems. What kernel have you Yaron? On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 17:06, Yaron wrote: > Hey all, > > ok, I've decided that the reason my machine hands a lot is because I've > got 1.6GB of swap space spread out across 13 swap files. I did this > because Linux wouldn't let me make a 1.6GB Swap partition - I thought the > 128MB limit was well gone by now. > > Anyway, I don't know WHY I think that's what's making this thing hang, but > I figure I may as well try and get rid of it. Can Linux do huge swap > partitions yet, am I missing something, or what? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sat Aug 24 13:54:04 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020824183934.GA9688@isis.visi.com> On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 05:06:24PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Anyway, I don't know WHY I think that's what's making this thing hang, but > I figure I may as well try and get rid of it. Can Linux do huge swap > partitions yet, am I missing something, or what? I've got a 2 GB swap file on my Web server. (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.2) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sat Aug 24 13:54:45 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030214953.2627.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Anyway, I don't know WHY I think that's what's making this thing hang, but > I figure I may as well try and get rid of it. Can Linux do huge swap > partitions yet, am I missing something, or what? Yaron, I am merely a weenie, but I can safely tell you that Linux, at least with the 2.4 kernel series has no problem with swap partitions over 128MB> I have a swap partition that is 800 MB at the moment. While that is less than my RAM x2 it doesn't really get touched anyway. I am wondering why you need 1.6 GB of swap. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 24 13:55:28 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl GD module - argh! In-Reply-To: <3D67BFD5.2040107@innominatus.com>; from cbidler@innominatus.com on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 12:18:13PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB166@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3D67BFD5.2040107@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20020824135151.A4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 12:18:13PM -0500, Chris Johnson Bidler wrote: > > 1. Does anyone know how to turn the "auto-upgrade to new Perl version" > feature of CPAN *off*? I find it very, *very* annoying when I'm trying > to add a module to a system that should not, for whatever reason, get > Perl 5..0 just now. > Yes, change the configuration options in CPAN to ASK instead of FOLLOW for when it requires/wants something, then it will prompt you instead of doing it automatically. The initial setup forced you to answers these questions as well. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Aug 24 14:01:52 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: fax to email service Message-ID: <20020824130515.A12542@knicknack.net> I'm looking for a service where I can get a phone number that will receive faxes for me and then send me the fax via email. I'm wondering if any of you use such a service with which you are happy. I've done some looking and it looks like my best bet is j2.com (formerly jfax.com). efax.com would also be an option, but it sends the faxes in a proprietary format and they only have readers for Windows and MacOS. j2.com can send them in TIFF format, so I could read them under Linux. (Now the message is more on-topic.) Are there any others that I've missed? Or does anyone have a word of caution about j2.com? TIA, Eric From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sat Aug 24 14:26:13 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Karlsson Consulting Company Message-ID: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Completely off topic, but a comment and lesson learned about a local contract firm. I signed an agreement to perform work on behalf of Karlsson Consulting Group, a contract house in Bloomington. They set me up with their client, but something went wrong and the client canceled my contract after a few days. As a courtesy to the client, Karlsson won't bill them. Here's the gotcha. My contract reads that I will be paid a specific hourly rate for "hours billable and paid for by ." Since Karlsson won't be getting paid, they *might* not pay me (they are "thinking" about it). From now on I will not sign a contract for which my pay is determined by the contract house getting paid. I did the work. I should get the money. What do you think? Is that clause normal for contractors? Is that one of the acceptable risks? -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From myok at ogzr.org Sat Aug 24 16:27:45 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Karlsson Consulting Company In-Reply-To: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <1030223367.2398.22.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 14:10, James Kaufman wrote: > My contract reads that I will be paid a specific hourly rate for "hours > billable and paid for by ." Since Karlsson won't be getting > paid, they *might* not pay me (they are "thinking" about it). From > now on I will not sign a contract for which my pay is determined by the > contract house getting paid. I did the work. I should get the money. > > What do you think? Is that clause normal for contractors? Is that one > of the acceptable risks? IMNAC [1], but that clause opens up a world of abuse. First, your pay will be delayed three times, once for the time it takes the firm to bill the client, then the 30 days it takes the client to pay, and then until the consulting house pays you. Second, as you've found out, it passes liability for a non-paying client on to you. This is unfair in your situation, because if the issue was between the consulting firm and the client, there's no way you can correct that. Here's a relevant quote from "The Computer Consultant's Guide, Second Edition" chapter on contract clauses and payment terms: "The contract is where you spell out exactly what you expect to be paid, and just as importantly, when you expect to receive your money. This second condition is far more important than most beginning consultants, accustomed to receiving regular paychecks, may imagine. The tendency of most businesses is to hold invoices unpaid as long as possible to enjoy the use of the money involved, and as an independent contractor you may find yourself with almost no leverage when your client's accounting department continues to assure you that your invoice is being processed, but no check appears in the mail." Negotiating a better payment term than the abovementioned clause may cost you a contract or two, but it beats working for free. -- Carl Patten [1] "I Am Not A Contractor" - but I researched it a couple years ago in case my job hunt failed. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 24 16:28:19 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <1030212175.1006.0.camel@tranquility> Message-ID: Hey, On 24 Aug 2002, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > All of our servers have 2GB of swap in a single partition/file, we have > no problems. What kernel have you Yaron? 2.4.18. Won't let me do more than 128M -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 24 16:28:49 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <20020824183934.GA9688@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Tim Wilson wrote: > I've got a 2 GB swap file on my Web server. (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.2) I'm trying to get a partition, but I tried files and that doesn't work either... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 24 16:34:03 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <1030214953.2627.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey, On 24 Aug 2002, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > I am merely a weenie, but I can safely tell you that Linux, at least > with the 2.4 kernel series has no problem with swap partitions over > 128MB> Here: dragon# fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 /dev/hda2 10 219 1686825 82 Linux swap dragon# mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2 mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB Setting up swapspace version 0, size = 133885952 bytes 1.6GB partition, mkswap truncating to 128Mb. This is with kernel 2.4.18, debian/sid, util-linux (where I think mkswap comes from) version 2.11n-4. > I am wondering why you need 1.6 GB of swap. Cause swap should be 1.6*total RAM, of course! (: -Yaron -- From phil21 at five-elements.com Sat Aug 24 16:42:47 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Karlsson Consulting Company In-Reply-To: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: This is common in the construction industry, I always thought it was a matter of time before it spread to others as well.. I for one, have done a small amount of IT consulting work, and never had a clause like this in it. However, I have worked for small companies where it was understood I would not be paid until they were. But for those I was well-understanding of this fact. -Phil > My contract reads that I will be paid a specific hourly rate for "hours > billable and paid for by ." Since Karlsson won't be getting > paid, they *might* not pay me (they are "thinking" about it). From > now on I will not sign a contract for which my pay is determined by the > contract house getting paid. I did the work. I should get the money. > > What do you think? Is that clause normal for contractors? Is that one > of the acceptable risks? From phil21 at five-elements.com Sat Aug 24 16:53:03 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strange, have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) In any case, IMO 1.6GB of swap is beyond silly, your system will be useless by the time it fills up half of that. :) -Phil > dragon# fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 > /dev/hda2 10 219 1686825 82 Linux swap > dragon# mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2 > mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB > Setting up swapspace version 0, size = 133885952 bytes > > 1.6GB partition, mkswap truncating to 128Mb. > > This is with kernel 2.4.18, debian/sid, util-linux (where I think > mkswap comes from) version 2.11n-4. From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Aug 24 17:11:02 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Karlsson Consulting Company In-Reply-To: <1030223367.2398.22.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> References: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <1030223367.2398.22.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <1030226081.4248.14.camel@dedannshae> On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 14:10, James Kaufman wrote: > > My contract reads that I will be paid a specific hourly rate for "hours > billable and paid for by ." Since Karlsson won't be getting > paid, they *might* not pay me (they are "thinking" about it). From > now on I will not sign a contract for which my pay is determined by the > contract house getting paid. I did the work. I should get the money. > > What do you think? Is that clause normal for contractors? Is that one > of the acceptable risks? I was subcontracting to a consulting company for 9 months between last year and this year, and my contract had the same stipulation. There's a big difference between contracting to a company who is paying you to do a project directly for them, and (sub)contracting to a consulting shop who needs to get paid by the client before they can afford to pay their contractors. Because of the above stipulation in my contract, I took a nasty hit from one client, like you. I did work out an arrangement with the company I was working with, so that they paid me up to 50% of outstanding invoices even when they had not been paid yet. However, I was left open to the risk of a "charge-back" if a client then refused to pay. Thankfully, it never happened. The loss I took was on an unpaid invoice, so I will be writing it off on this year's taxes. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020824/715f0a65/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Aug 24 17:11:33 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Karlsson Consulting Company In-Reply-To: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 02:10:36PM -0500 References: <20020824191036.GA31900@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020824185425.B29609@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 02:10:36PM -0500, James Kaufman wrote: > My contract reads that I will be paid a specific hourly rate for "hours > billable and paid for by ." Since Karlsson won't be getting > paid, they *might* not pay me (they are "thinking" about it). From > now on I will not sign a contract for which my pay is determined by the > contract house getting paid. I did the work. I should get the money. > > What do you think? Is that clause normal for contractors? Is that one > of the acceptable risks? I've recently been doing some work as a subcontractor and have similar payment terms in my contract. The consulting firm is supposed to pay me within 3 days after they receive payment from the client. So far, I've always been paid within about two weeks of the date my invoice was submitted. -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Aug 24 17:20:25 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On 24 Aug 2002, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > > > All of our servers have 2GB of swap in a single partition/file, we have > > no problems. What kernel have you Yaron? > > 2.4.18. Won't let me do more than 128M can you be a bit more specific? where does it say "you may not do this?" -munir From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 24 18:03:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: fax to email service In-Reply-To: <20020824130515.A12542@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 01:05:15PM -0500 References: <20020824130515.A12542@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20020824175017.A15668@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > Are there any others that I've missed? Or does anyone have a word of > caution about j2.com? Since most of these services charge a monthly fee, I just setup hylafax, it's open source and works with with just about any fax compatible modem. It comes with a fax-to-email and email-to-fax script. By default the faxes are delivered to you as tiffg3, there are many fax viewers for this format -OR- there is a contributed script to convert the faxes to pdf (using ghostscript). Works great. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Sat Aug 24 18:03:27 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! Message-ID: <0f304e630648bd07d2@[172.29.97.10]> I agree with you Ben. Corporations have the right to make money and spend money how they see fit as long as its legal. I am a little tired of the all corporations are evil theme also. Ryan Ware -----Original Message----- From: Ben Bargabus To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 8/24/02 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! > Corporations have no morals. Corporations are not mythical beasts, they are simply the sum of all their workers and stockholders. It's real easy to bash a faceless company but try telling Fred from accounting that he's the devil because of the way he interpreted our maze of financial laws. (sorry for the off-topic rant but this climate of demonizing corporate America is really starting to get on my nerves) Later, Ben (part of a corporation as a programmer and complete with morals). _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list IPC 2002 From wilson at visi.com Sat Aug 24 18:33:44 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: <20020824183934.GA9688@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020824231826.GA16579@isis.visi.com> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:13:31PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Tim Wilson wrote: > > > I've got a 2 GB swap file on my Web server. (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.2) > > I'm trying to get a partition, but I tried files and that doesn't work > either... Oops, a brain typo. I meant to say swap partition. Sorry. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 24 19:12:03 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:13:31PM -0500 References: <20020824183934.GA9688@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020824191039.B4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:13:31PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Tim Wilson wrote: > > > I've got a 2 GB swap file on my Web server. (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.2) > > I'm trying to get a partition, but I tried files and that doesn't work > either... > [root@techmonkeys(~)]: cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda9 partition 262544 113688 -1 /dev/hdb1 partition 1251896 0 -2 [root@techmonkeys(~)]: uname -a Linux techmonkeys.org 2.4.18 #3 Mon Mar 18 05:56:26 CST 2002 i686 unknown note the 1,251M swap. > > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Aug 24 20:07:01 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: fax to email service In-Reply-To: <20020824175017.A15668@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 05:50:17PM -0500 References: <20020824130515.A12542@knicknack.net> <20020824175017.A15668@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020824193249.A14645@knicknack.net> Perhaps I should have explained my rationale better. I was hoping to have the fax on full-time and save the monthly cost of the second phone line. j2.com only charges $4.95/month for a local phone number which includes unlimited received faxes. Besides that, we're planning to move in a year and I'd rather not have to change my fax number again then. Eric On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 05:50:17PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since most of these services charge a monthly fee, I just setup hylafax, it's > open source and works with with just about any fax compatible modem. It comes > with a fax-to-email and email-to-fax script. > > By default the faxes are delivered to you as tiffg3, there are many fax viewers > for this format -OR- there is a contributed script to convert the faxes to pdf > (using ghostscript). > > Works great. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 24 20:07:43 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:16:16PM -0500 References: <1030214953.2627.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020824193627.C4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:16:16PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Here: > > dragon# fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 > /dev/hda2 10 219 1686825 82 Linux swap > dragon# mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2 > mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB > Setting up swapspace version 0, size = 133885952 bytes > > 1.6GB partition, mkswap truncating to 128Mb. > This is more useful than 'it doesn't work' =) > This is with kernel 2.4.18, debian/sid, util-linux (where I think > mkswap comes from) version 2.11n-4. Damned debian ;) Try compiling your own copy of util-linux, and make sure that your kernel headers are correct. > > > > I am wondering why you need 1.6 GB of swap. > > Cause swap should be 1.6*total RAM, of course! (: > > > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 24 20:08:25 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from phil21@five-elements.com on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:54:28PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020824193944.D4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 04:54:28PM -0500, Phil Doroff wrote: > Strange, > > have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) -v0 Create an old style swap area. -v1 Create a new style swap area. If no -v option is given, mkswap will default to new style, but use old style if the current kernel is older than 2.1.117 (and also if PAGE_SIZE is less than 2048). The new style header does not touch the first block, so may be preferable, in case you have a boot loader or disk label there. If you need to use both 2.0 and 2.2 kernels, use the -v0 option when creating the swapspace. mkswap --help Usage: mkswap [-c] [-v0|-v1] [-pPAGESZ] /dev/name [blocks] there is no -v2, even in the latest version (2.11u, released Aug 3, 2002) unless your distribution did something funny. > > In any case, IMO 1.6GB of swap is beyond silly, your system will be useless > by the time it fills up half of that. :) Not necessarily. > > -Phil -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From dante at plethora.net Sat Aug 24 20:16:09 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WTF! MS ads on SourceForge! In-Reply-To: <3D67C5C3.8F3988BD@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Corporations have no morals. > I must have been in a crappy mood when I wrote this;) For anyone who cares I have the detailed version below... > > Corporations are not mythical beasts, they are simply the sum of all > their workers and stockholders. It's real easy to bash a faceless > company but try telling Fred from accounting that he's the devil because > of the way he interpreted our maze of financial laws. (sorry for the > off-topic rant but this climate of demonizing corporate America is > really starting to get on my nerves) > Later, > Ben (part of a corporation as a programmer and complete with morals). Individuals within companies may (and usually do) have morals, regardless of the type of company. However, in a corporation the more people there are, the more likely any one person's moral qualms about a given action will be overridden by a person or group that doesn't share the same moral code. Hence, sufficiently large corporations are apparently devoid of any particular moral code beyond the bottom line, and there is a continuum. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dante at plethora.net Sat Aug 24 20:35:10 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Phil Doroff wrote: > Strange, > > have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) I had a suspicion on this, -v1 is the correct argument. My friend is man, the original swap type is gotten by -v0. However: > > dragon# fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 > > /dev/hda2 10 219 1686825 82 Linux swap > > dragon# mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2 Note here--------------^^ There is no "-v for verbose" option to mkswap, therefore it is probably being taken as "-v0" and erasing the previous "-v1". The user interface implications are left as an exercise for the reader... -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From phil21 at five-elements.com Sat Aug 24 22:58:27 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, my mistake. Typo'ed it. :) In any case, indeed compile your own version.. If you are using a distro-provided kernel I may be suspicious as well. Works fine here on debian though.. *shrug* -Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Taylor > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] LARGE swap > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Phil Doroff wrote: > > > Strange, > > > > have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) > > I had a suspicion on this, -v1 is the correct argument. > My friend is man, the original swap type is gotten by -v0. > > However: > > > dragon# fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 > > > /dev/hda2 10 219 1686825 82 Linux swap > > > dragon# mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2 > Note here--------------^^ > > There is no "-v for verbose" option to mkswap, therefore it > is probably being taken as "-v0" and erasing the previous "-v1". > > The user interface implications are left as an exercise for > the reader... > > -- > Daniel Taylor > dante@plethora.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 24 23:28:11 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: fax to email service In-Reply-To: <20020824193249.A14645@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 07:32:49PM -0500 References: <20020824130515.A12542@knicknack.net> <20020824175017.A15668@real-time.com> <20020824193249.A14645@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20020824224630.C15668@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > Perhaps I should have explained my rationale better. I was hoping to > have the fax on full-time and save the monthly cost of the second > phone line. j2.com only charges $4.95/month for a local phone number > which includes unlimited received faxes. Besides that, we're planning > to move in a year and I'd rather not have to change my fax number > again then. Get Distinctive ring or if your modem supports it Adaptive answer (http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-06/lw-06-hylafax-p5.html) It's $5/month and still use hylafax :-) Personally I do not like J2's Privacy Statement. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Aug 24 23:29:28 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15720.21590.715572.895018@tsathoggua.mydomain> Phil Doroff writes: > Strange, > > have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) > > In any case, IMO 1.6GB of swap is beyond silly, your system will be useless > by the time it fills up half of that. :) Can anyone comment on the above? I used to work on model-checking, which is brute-force exploration of ENORMOUS state spaces, and having a gig of swap doesn't seem that crazy to me. But I've also heard never to have more than 256K. But never with a clear explanation of why. R From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 25 00:31:03 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: SOLVED large swap (was [TCLUG] LARGE swap) In-Reply-To: <20020824193944.D4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Ok, the person who noticed that I was for some reason doing the -v twice got it right. There is no -v2, nor is there -v nothing! Argh. So it's up and runing now - hopefully this'll make my machien stop hanging all the {{{{!!{@@@@~~~No Carrier From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 25 00:50:11 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > can you be a bit more specific? where does it say "you may not do this?" I was more specific in other emails. Basically, I have a 1.6GB partition set as Linux Swap, and when I run "mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2" I get "mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB" -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 25 00:50:42 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Phil Doroff wrote: > have you tried mkswap -v2? (man is your friend) Naturally I read the manpage, which says: -v0 Create an old style swap area. -v1 Create a new style swap area. There is no -v2. > In any case, IMO 1.6GB of swap is beyond silly, your system will be useless > by the time it fills up half of that. :) What if I have applications that actually use all my 1gb of physical RAM? UNIX 'tradition' dictates 1.6 times physical RAM, HDDs are cheap, I can spare 1.6 gigs for swap. Either way, I'd want more than 128MB. -Yaron -- From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Aug 25 07:19:39 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 12:15:06AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020825071219.E4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 12:15:06AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, Hi. > > What if I have applications that actually use all my 1gb of physical RAM? > UNIX 'tradition' dictates 1.6 times physical RAM, HDDs are cheap, I can > spare 1.6 gigs for swap. Before someone grabs this FUD and runs with it, let's analyze this. System has 32M of ram, 51.2M of swap isn't going to do diddly squat for you. System has 4G of ram, 6.4G of ram could be considered.. excessive.` There has *NEVER* been a formula that involved RAM*(number) = SWAP. Ever. It doesn't work, unless memory * multiplier = amount of ram you think you'll need. (almost never) The best way is to simply figure out how much memory you think you'll normally need for what you're running on the system, add enough swap to make up the difference between that, and whatever physical ram you have, then add a bit more swap for those expected load spikes. If you can spare the HD space, feel free to waste it on swap. > Either way, I'd want more than 128MB. I've got half a gig of ram in my system, and 512M of swap. it's more than enough. (unless i'm making some of my very very very large maps =) > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 25 08:17:42 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <20020825071219.E4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > System has 32M of ram, 51.2M of swap isn't going to do diddly squat for you. ... > There has *NEVER* been a formula that involved RAM*(number) = SWAP. Ever. There has been, in every SunOS/Solaris System Installation Manual for at least 10 years. I've also seen it in SCO manuals. I can tell you from experience that an AIX box WILL NOT FUNCTION CORRECTLY without SWAP > Physical Mem. And not a little >, a LOT >. In fact, IBM have told me to make swap 2*Physical Mem, but I've never been able to read an IBM manual so I don't know if they have a formula actually documented. > I've got half a gig of ram in my system, and 512M of swap. it's more than > enough. (unless i'm making some of my very very very large maps =) Or you're running three or four VMWare instances. Or are doing a lot of video editing. Or both. While compiling stuff. -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 25 10:13:04 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] making mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 only In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB157@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1030287590.19391.1379.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 15:55, Austad, Jay wrote: > Also, does anyone know how to make a PHP script use mysql over a Unix socket > connection? I usually run MySQL to only communicate via Unix sockets. I've never had any trouble just doing mysql_connect ("localhost", "user", "pass") But there might be something funky you have to do in php.ini -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Double your drive space - / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ delete Windows! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020825/4df5ccea/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 25 14:10:03 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030302071.19400.1439.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 00:16, Yaron wrote: > I was more specific in other emails. Basically, I have a 1.6GB partition > set as Linux Swap, and when I run "mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2" I get > "mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB" You did eventually get it working, right? What did you end up using as a command line? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If at first you don't / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ succeed, then skydiving \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) definitely isn't for you. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020825/16b14c3c/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Aug 25 14:34:38 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 07:51:59AM -0500 References: <20020825071219.E4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020825133113.G4053@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 07:51:59AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > System has 32M of ram, 51.2M of swap isn't going to do diddly squat for you. > ... > > There has *NEVER* been a formula that involved RAM*(number) = SWAP. Ever. > > There has been, in every SunOS/Solaris System Installation Manual for at > least 10 years. I've also seen it in SCO manuals. I can tell you from > experience that an AIX box WILL NOT FUNCTION CORRECTLY without SWAP > > Physical Mem. And not a little >, a LOT >. In fact, IBM have told me to > make swap 2*Physical Mem, but I've never been able to read an IBM manual > so I don't know if they have a formula actually documented. > Do the math, do you really think 64M of swap is enough on a 32M system? Is 8 gigs of swap excessive on a a 4G box? obviously it is considering there was a 128M limit at one point, and people have had >64M of ram for quite a while. > > > I've got half a gig of ram in my system, and 512M of swap. it's more than > > enough. (unless i'm making some of my very very very large maps =) > > Or you're running three or four VMWare instances. Or are doing a lot of > video editing. Or both. While compiling stuff. > and 128M of ram + 256M of swap is enough for this? I don't think so. > > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Aug 25 14:35:17 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <20020825071219.E4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000801c24c65$6b4902b0$6401a8c0@HPZT> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy > There has *NEVER* been a formula that involved RAM*(number) = > SWAP. Ever. > That's not true in the slightest degree! Red Hat RHCE training makes a recommendation (typically greater than 256M RAM, but less than or equal to 2xRAM, but not more than 2G), and the Red Hat "bible" (yellow and black book) recommended by TCLUG at Installfests states 2xRAM. I quit checking references at that point, but I'd bet there is common statement of the 2xRAM guideline in nearly all references. Swap space is part of someone's design plan, and that has a size paradigm built-in somewhere.. as well as safety valves when swap is not adequate, etc. Performance will be affected by a gross mismatch of swap to the primary operational usage. Chuck From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Aug 25 15:36:03 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <20020825133113.G4053@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020825071219.E4053@techmonkeys.org> <20020825133113.G4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020825152609.A29958@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 01:31:14PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 07:51:59AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Do the math, do you really think 64M of swap is enough on a 32M system? It depends on what is being run on the system, of course. I've got a 486 with 32 MB of RAM that never hits swap, so 64 MB is plenty. I'd say if you ever need more than 2*RAM for swap then its time to start trying to dig up some more RAM. > Is 8 gigs of swap excessive on a a 4G box? obviously it is considering > there was a 128M limit at one point, and people have had >64M of ram for > quite a while. 8 gigs of swap on a server is not necessarily excessive. Its a lot nicer to have the swap available in unexpected usage conditions (say getting slashdotted, for example), than to have the box fail because of lack of memory. > > Or you're running three or four VMWare instances. Or are doing a lot of > > video editing. Or both. While compiling stuff. > > and 128M of ram + 256M of swap is enough for this? I don't think so. No, 256 MB swap wouldn't be enough in that case. Performance would be so awful with say 1 GB of swap and 128 MB of RAM that its pretty much a moot point though. I doubt Yaron would try to run 3 or 4 VMware instances, much less do the other stuff, if he only had 128 MB of RAM. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Aug 25 15:40:54 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap Message-ID: <01C24C4A.FFD909E0@GALILEO> In fact, our IBM manual suggested 2-3*real for swap. Most of that was for the earlier versions of X11 that would allocate massive amounts of memory that it never seemed to use. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew S. Hallacy [SMTP:poptix@techmonkeys.org] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:31 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] LARGE swap On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 07:51:59AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > System has 32M of ram, 51.2M of swap isn't going to do diddly squat for you. > ... > > There has *NEVER* been a formula that involved RAM*(number) = SWAP. Ever. > > There has been, in every SunOS/Solaris System Installation Manual for at > least 10 years. I've also seen it in SCO manuals. I can tell you from > experience that an AIX box WILL NOT FUNCTION CORRECTLY without SWAP > > Physical Mem. And not a little >, a LOT >. In fact, IBM have told me to > make swap 2*Physical Mem, but I've never been able to read an IBM manual > so I don't know if they have a formula actually documented. > Do the math, do you really think 64M of swap is enough on a 32M system? Is 8 gigs of swap excessive on a a 4G box? obviously it is considering there was a 128M limit at one point, and people have had >64M of ram for quite a while. > > > I've got half a gig of ram in my system, and 512M of swap. it's more than > > enough. (unless i'm making some of my very very very large maps =) > > Or you're running three or four VMWare instances. Or are doing a lot of > video editing. Or both. While compiling stuff. > and 128M of ram + 256M of swap is enough for this? I don't think so. > > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Basically, I have a 1.6GB partition > set as Linux Swap, and when I run "mkswap -v1 -v -c /dev/hda2" I get > "mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 130752kB" > LOSE THE SECOND "-v"! -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From jimstreit at northlans.com Sun Aug 25 18:39:58 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential answer to Apache virtual host question In-Reply-To: <1030119691.2627.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1030119691.2627.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1051.192.168.71.100.1030318251.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Great, thanks. I want to thank everyone who helped answer my question. > I was intrigued by how many virtual hosts apache can have so I asked > around. > > Credit for this goes to Daniel J. Cody of freedom2operate > (http://f2o.org) : > > Apache used to be able to have 1024 virtual hosts, smallint. This was > expanded to 32364 virtual hosts, largeint. I don't know my smallint from > my large int, but there you have it. > > This is an old link, but it gives some interesting tidbits. > > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/descriptors.html > > > > Samir M. Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Sun Aug 25 18:44:56 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: SOLVED large swap (was [TCLUG] LARGE swap) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ignore my immediately prevoius message. Gawd I've got a short fuse this week... On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Yaron wrote: > Ok, the person who noticed that I was for some reason doing the -v twice > got it right. There is no -v2, nor is there -v nothing! Argh. > > So it's up and runing now - hopefully this'll make my machien stop hanging > all the {{{{!!{@@@@~~~No Carrier > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From wilson at visi.com Sun Aug 25 19:03:53 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal knowledge management software on Linux Message-ID: <20020825223456.GA21205@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, I'd love to find a software tool that can function as a personal knowledge management database. A program called Scribe (for Win and Mac) is pretty close to what I'm looking for. (http://chnm.gmu.edu/tools/scribe/) Anyone know of a product like this for Linux? I've done some googling, but nothing turned up. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 25 19:16:50 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New addition to greyhatpak Message-ID: <20020825190651.A2237@real-time.com> Added gpsdrive to the greyhatpak. * Fri Aug 09 2002 Bob Tanner + gpsdrive-1.25-realtime.1 - initial .spec file It install it just # apt-get update # apt-get install greyhatpak The RPM package has been signed with gnupg and my personal key. To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From duncan at sodatrain.com Sun Aug 25 21:38:49 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan@sodatrain.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal knowledge management software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20020825223456.GA21205@isis.visi.com> References: <20020825223456.GA21205@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <41786.65.25.234.75.1030324212.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com> I've been looking for a way to manage the plethora of things that i learn from the list, #tclug, and any number of other sources. For now, im trying a wiki. So far, im liking it, granted i just started using it. I threw one up for my family's website, and put one up on my website (well, its kinda up) but i really like it so far. Its quick, easy, powerful, and *searchable* (key feature for me) duncan > I'd love to find a software tool that can function as a personal > knowledge management database. A program called Scribe (for Win and Mac) > is pretty close to what I'm looking for. > (http://chnm.gmu.edu/tools/scribe/) > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Aug 25 22:27:07 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: <20020825133113.G4053@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Or you're running three or four VMWare instances. Or are doing a lot of > > video editing. Or both. While compiling stuff. > and 128M of ram + 256M of swap is enough for this? I don't think so. Um. Dunno where you got 128M + 256Mswap from. I've got 1gig physical plus 1.6gig swap. -Yaron -- From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Sun Aug 25 23:43:54 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB mouse doesn't recover from APM resume Message-ID: <0363e0920021a82FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Hola. I've got an IBM A30 laptop running Mandrake 8.2. When I close the lid, the laptop correctly suspends, but when I open the lid and it resumes, my USB mouse is dead. I've done the prerequisite Google searching and monkeying with the scripts in /etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/resume.d/, all with no success. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I can make my mouse return? One more piece of information which might be useful: Switching virtual terminals is enough to make the mouse come back to life. Thanks, - Jared From jeff at digitalguy.net Mon Aug 26 00:33:12 2002 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeff Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB mouse doesn't recover from APM resume In-Reply-To: <0363e0920021a82FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com>; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 09:24:06PM -0500 References: <0363e0920021a82FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020826001330.A9849@sarah.digitalguy.net> I've got a Compaq the does pretty much the same thing. The touchpad does not work so i plug a usb mouse into it. when it goes into standby or when the screen shuts off the mouse cursor disappears in X. I think the cursor still moves when moving the mouse because i can see some buttons raise when it goes over them. to get it back i just go to a terminal by hitting ctl+alt+F1 and then back to X again and that resolves it until the next powersaving cycle. This is all running redhat 7.3 with kde 3 Jared Burns (jared-linux@mn.rr.com) wrote: > Hola. > > I've got an IBM A30 laptop running Mandrake 8.2. When I close the lid, the > laptop correctly suspends, but when I open the lid and it resumes, my USB > mouse is dead. > > I've done the prerequisite Google searching and monkeying with the scripts in > /etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/resume.d/, all with no success. Does anyone have > any thoughts on how I can make my mouse return? > > One more piece of information which might be useful: Switching virtual > terminals is enough to make the mouse come back to life. > > Thanks, > - Jared > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil21 at five-elements.com Mon Aug 26 03:14:26 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hrm, keep the list updated as to whether you actually hit deep into swap or not.. I'm betting on no. I've never seen a linux system that was using a ton of swap that wasn't absolutely I/O bound and literally useless for anything. (like, 40 minute ssh login times and the like). I'm sure however, there are specific instances where huge swap is useful. Since I almost exclusively use linux in an ISP server role (apache, sendmail, mysql, etc.) I've not run across any of these in the real world. So, we keep swap to 512MB. The reasoning behind it beind that if we're needing more than 512, the system is allready too screwed to be fixed, and will just need the reboot anyways. (these are webservers with 512 to 1.5GB of ram in them) -Phil > Um. Dunno where you got 128M + 256Mswap from. I've got 1gig physical plus > 1.6gig swap. > > -Yaron > From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Aug 26 07:54:19 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB mouse doesn't recover from APM resume In-Reply-To: <0363e0920021a82FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: So what happens if you put a virtual terminal switch in your script? chvt 1;chvt 7 On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Jared Burns wrote: > One more piece of information which might be useful: Switching virtual > terminals is enough to make the mouse come back to life. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From jack at jacku.com Mon Aug 26 09:09:06 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal knowledge management software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20020825223456.GA21205@isis.visi.com> References: <20020825223456.GA21205@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <200208260901.19014.jack@jacku.com> Tim, There is a program for the Zaurus called IQNotes. It was designed as an entry in the Qtopia worldwide developers conference. I don't know what needs to be done, if anything, to get it to run on a standard desktop. I use it to track time on my consulting gigs. Its basicly an XML tree editor. You can define different types of entries and then just add them to the tree. I don't know if you can have different trees (XML files) or not, I haven't looked that far. You can find info here: http://iqnotes.kybu.sk On Sunday 25 August 2002 17:34, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd love to find a software tool that can function as a personal > knowledge management database. A program called Scribe (for Win and Mac) > is pretty close to what I'm looking for. > (http://chnm.gmu.edu/tools/scribe/) > > Anyone know of a product like this for Linux? I've done some googling, > but nothing turned up. > > -Tim -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Aug 26 10:25:37 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LARGE swap In-Reply-To: ; from phil21@five-elements.com on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 02:58:02AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020826094340.H4053@techmonkeys.org> [replying to both] On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 02:58:02AM -0500, Phil Doroff wrote: > Hrm, keep the list updated as to whether you actually hit deep into swap or > not.. > > I'm betting on no. I've never seen a linux system that was using a ton of > swap that wasn't absolutely I/O bound and literally useless for anything. > (like, 40 minute ssh login times and the like). I was actually using 2 gigs worth of swap the other day without any problems, I was generating a *HUGE* pdf file, the system was perfectly usable. (I do believe i showed some of those to you phil =) > > I'm sure however, there are specific instances where huge swap is useful. > Since I almost exclusively use linux in an ISP server role (apache, > sendmail, mysql, etc.) I've not run across any of these in the real world. > > So, we keep swap to 512MB. The reasoning behind it beind that if we're > needing more than 512, the system is allready too screwed to be fixed, and > will just need the reboot anyways. (these are webservers with 512 to 1.5GB > of ram in them) That's appropriate for your system because /just about/ everything that's running that *could* be swapped, shouldn't be. > > -Phil > > > > Um. Dunno where you got 128M + 256Mswap from. I've got 1gig physical plus > > 1.6gig swap. I made it up, the point was that you can't always get the amount of physical ram that you'll need in a system, swap is meant to make up the difference with a little buffer zone for the unexpected spikes. In a perfect world you've always got enough RAM, and don't need swap, in the real world you sometimes need 1G of total memory on a system that only has 256M of ram, which would mean that 256M physical + 512M virtual is not enough. > > -Yaron > > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Aug 26 10:53:43 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool Message-ID: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool with a GUI for this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From byin at aracontent.com Mon Aug 26 12:17:02 2002 From: byin at aracontent.com (Bin Yin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <200208191523.g7JFNRM11513@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Can you recommend someone to be hired? Thanks Bin From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Aug 26 12:22:57 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool References: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <006b01c24d22$b15093f0$a001a8c0@rummey> I'm not sure what you want by "GUI", but MRTG is pretty cool for monitoring all that stuff in 5 minute increments and relatively simple to install. Google for mrtg. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: " ;" Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From philwil at earthlink.net Mon Aug 26 12:58:02 2002 From: philwil at earthlink.net (Phil Wilshire) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <3D6A67B7.77B528E8@earthlink.net> Hi Bin, What type of work do you have in mind ?? regards Phil Wilshire Bin Yin wrote: > > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. > Can you recommend someone to be hired? > Thanks > Bin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- SDCS -- System Design & Consulting Services LLC, http://www.sysdcs.com **uClinux Training in Las Vegas Aug 28-30 2002, email me for details 630 Springhouse Sq., Leesburg VA 20175 t: 703 669 9765 f: 703 669 9768 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 26 13:15:16 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:36:23AM -0500 References: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020826130029.A3125@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? Basic "integrated" tool: Netsaint Advanced "integrated" tool: OpenNMS roll-your-own: mrtg rrdtool cricket -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 26 13:34:54 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200208261319.00996.list@slushpupie.com> On Monday 26 August 2002 9:36 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... Jay From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 26 14:14:53 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <200208261319.00996.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... I was just browsing the manual for Nestsaint (Nagios). How long should I expect to spend setting this up? -Brian From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Aug 26 14:44:02 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030390015.3d6a80ff46248@webmail.andersonfam.org> Looking back at the original post on this thread, don't you think a "sniffer" type tool like ethereal would better answer this question? -Erik From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Aug 26 15:06:00 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool References: Message-ID: <004101c24d3a$46d2d7a0$a001a8c0@rummey> I haven't installed netsaint but I read the documentation and it looks like under an hour, maybe an hour and half+ if you aren't familair with installing things like this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network monitor tool > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... > > I was just browsing the manual for Nestsaint (Nagios). > > How long should I expect to spend setting this up? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 26 15:32:08 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 01:54:31PM -0500 References: <200208261319.00996.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20020826151621.A18042@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... > > I was just browsing the manual for Nestsaint (Nagios). > > How long should I expect to spend setting this up? How big is your network :-) Netsaint's conf file makes terrible. It makes sendmail.cf look like "My first ABC books". Installing netsaint is easy, configuration is the hard part. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Aug 26 16:04:14 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> References: <200208191523.g7JFNRM11513@sprite.real-time.com> <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <57059.198.74.20.73.1030394900.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Bin Yin said: > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Can > you recommend someone to be hired? ME! ME! ME! PICK ME! /me jumps up and down excitedly Munir Nassar From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Aug 26 16:04:50 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool References: <004101c24d3a$46d2d7a0$a001a8c0@rummey> Message-ID: <00a201c24d42$d243bc70$a001a8c0@rummey> Just as a benchmark, netsaint interested me (I only use mrtg and perl scripts for statuses) and I just installed netsaint to monitor 1 nt, 2 linux, and 1 router and it took me under one hour. I would consider myself a "knowledgable" linux admin. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cassano" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network monitor tool > I haven't installed netsaint but I read the documentation and it looks like > under an hour, maybe an hour and half+ if you aren't familair with > installing things like this. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network monitor tool > > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jay Kline wrote: > > > > > Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... > > > > I was just browsing the manual for Nestsaint (Nagios). > > > > How long should I expect to spend setting this up? > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 26 21:39:58 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matching \n in a regexp Message-ID: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, I sent this message some time ago during the recent DOS attack against the LUG listserv. I looks like the original version disappeared into the ether. I use vim to edit my email messages from within mutt. When I'm replying to a message and trimming the original message (hey Chewie :-), I often want to cut everything down to my .sig. I can often do ':d/--' (no quotes), but this doesn't work if there are other .sigs in the message I'm cutting. If I could do ':d/--\nT' it should go down all the way to my real .sig. I'm no regexp expert, but I thought \n was the proper way to do this. It doesn't work though. Any thoughts? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 26 22:21:31 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Bin Yin wrote: > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. What sort of work? What sort of time frame? I think pretty much anyone on this list could fit the bill of an off-hours consultant. Btw, I'm interested, so feel free to e-mail the details off-list :-) -Brian From mike at getbent.net Mon Aug 26 22:43:10 2002 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPTP on Linux Message-ID: <0208262242451K.13023@Dingo> After a couple hours of dabbling I have successfully setup a linux firewall to connect to a MS 2000 PPTP server. It can route traffice between the two lans and everyone is happy. My experience with pppd and what not is sort of limited. In the options.pptp which is evidently very much the same as pppd options. Is there a way that I can force it to redial a connection if the link is dropped as well as run a few shell commends when the link becomes active again? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Aug 27 01:25:21 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <200208270116.43049.joelr@ellegon.com> On Monday 26 August 2002 12:01 pm, Bin Yin wrote: > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. > Can you recommend someone to be hired? > Thanks > Bin Depends on what you need done. If it's primarily documentation/training, you'd be best off with somebody like me; if it's heavy-duting sysadmin/setup, there's a lot better folks. From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Aug 27 01:27:31 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux consultant In-Reply-To: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> References: <6BC97F13B8B1D21186A400104B75E68F5D70C2@EG-SVR> Message-ID: <200208270118.04191.joelr@ellegon.com> On Monday 26 August 2002 12:01 pm, Bin Yin wrote: > We are looking for Linux consultants in Minneapolis/St. Paul area. > Can you recommend someone to be hired? > Thanks > Bin > It all depends on what you want -- and need; they may not be exactly the same :) -- done. "Consultant" is a flexible term. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 27 06:43:26 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matching \n in a regexp In-Reply-To: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:29:13PM -0500 References: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020827061840.D2073@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:29:13PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > > If I could do ':d/--\nT' it should go down all the way to my real .sig. > I'm no regexp expert, but I thought \n was the proper way to do this. It > doesn't work though. Any thoughts? Actually the accepted sig "header" is '-- ' (two dashes and a space), perhaps thats what you're missing. (I note that your sig below is '-- \n' =) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From nate at refried.org Tue Aug 27 07:16:05 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matching \n in a regexp In-Reply-To: <20020827061840.D2073@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com> <20020827061840.D2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020827121019.GA28698@refried.org> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 06:18:40AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:29:13PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > > If I could do ':d/--\nT' it should go down all the way to my real .sig. > > I'm no regexp expert, but I thought \n was the proper way to do this. It > > doesn't work though. Any thoughts? > > Actually the accepted sig "header" is '-- ' (two dashes and a space), perhaps > thats what you're missing. (I note that your sig below is '-- \n' =) Also, you might want to match the beginning of the line too. Also, I've seen \r work a lot better than \n, but YMMV. So that makes it :d/^-- \rT Nate From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Aug 27 08:53:01 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking .debs Message-ID: <200208270813.07256.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Hey Debian people, is there some way to quickly check the integrity of all the packages installed on a box and reinstalling those packages that have missing or corrupted files? :Peter From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Aug 27 09:03:22 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help Message-ID: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Anyone ever work with this? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with the 2.4.18-6mdk kernel. I was good on hardware and checked the Mandrake site for supported cards before picking up a D-Link DWL-650. I got the notes for install off the web and found the linux_wlan project, got the kernel source installed, but I'm missing the pcmcia_cs source and I cant seem to find it on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding it? And I'm still a little nervous recompiling my kernel (too much M$ programming experience I guess), so any success stories on wireless lans would be nice. :) kthx Chris Frederick From phil21 at five-elements.com Tue Aug 27 09:21:12 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matching \n in a regexp In-Reply-To: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: Try ctrl+m instead, works in vim. I think it's silly as well, \n should work fine. Pfft. -Phil From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 27 10:09:06 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking .debs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:13:07 CDT." <200208270813.07256.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200208270813.07256.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20020827145345.B759A180DF@wookimus.net> Peter Clark wrote: > Hey Debian people, is there some way to quickly check the integrity of > a ll the packages installed on a box and reinstalling those packages > that have missing or corrupted files? Debian packages are installed with md5sums in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/.md5sums file. If you want to check a package, change to root (cd /) and run md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/.md5sums. There may be "helper tools" written to make this automated, but it's simple enough to go through with a shell script: #/bin/sh -e # Check md5sums for each package, exit when error found cd / for sums in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums do md5sum -c $sums | $PAGER done -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Tue Aug 27 10:09:53 2002 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Willenbring, Daniel J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help Message-ID: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmcia-cs is what I think you're looking for. I got my linksys card working under Debian with a few days of fiddling. You just have to be sure to follow the directions you find and disable all the correct things in the kernel (and be sure to have your old settings loaded first, so you don't end up with a nice wlan kernel that doesn't work for much else <-- I did this) Good luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Chris Frederick To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 8/27/02 6:56 AM Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help Anyone ever work with this? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with the 2.4.18-6mdk kernel. I was good on hardware and checked the Mandrake site for supported cards before picking up a D-Link DWL-650. I got the notes for install off the web and found the linux_wlan project, got the kernel source installed, but I'm missing the pcmcia_cs source and I cant seem to find it on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding it? And I'm still a little nervous recompiling my kernel (too much M$ programming experience I guess), so any success stories on wireless lans would be nice. :) kthx Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 27 10:10:26 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help In-Reply-To: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020827150055.GB8709@sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 07:56:07AM -0400, Chris Frederick wrote: >Anyone ever work with this? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with the why not try tcwug-list@tcwug.org. Chances are they'll point you to the web at pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net and other relevant urls though. >2.4.18-6mdk kernel. I was good on hardware and checked the Mandrake >site for supported cards before picking up a D-Link DWL-650. I got the >notes for install off the web and found the linux_wlan project, got the >kernel source installed, but I'm missing the pcmcia_cs source and I cant >seem to find it on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction >for finding it? > >And I'm still a little nervous recompiling my kernel (too much M$ >programming experience I guess), so any success stories on wireless lans >would be nice. :) > >kthx >Chris Frederick > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got the > notes for install off the web and found the linux_wlan project, got the > kernel source installed, but I'm missing the pcmcia_cs source and I cant > seem to find it on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction > for finding it? > > And I'm still a little nervous recompiling my kernel (too much M$ > programming experience I guess), so any success stories on wireless lans > would be nice. :) > > kthx > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Aug 27 10:30:22 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help In-Reply-To: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <48166.198.74.20.73.1030457749.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Chris Frederick said: > Anyone ever work with this? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with the > 2.4.18-6mdk kernel. I was good on hardware and checked the Mandrake > site for supported cards before picking up a D-Link DWL-650. I got the > notes for install off the web and found the linux_wlan project, got the > kernel source installed, but I'm missing the pcmcia_cs source and I cant > seem to find it on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction > for finding it? iirc it is on sourceforge, please hold while i check... pcmcia-cs.sf.net <---- this is where you need to go > And I'm still a little nervous recompiling my kernel (too much M$ > programming experience I guess), so any success stories on wireless lans > would be nice. :) there is no need to recompile the kernel to get wireless working... read the README's again Munir Nassar From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Aug 27 10:56:02 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About the Daemons Message-ID: Hi, I have a RH6.2 installed in an embedded system. To reduce the boot time, apart from the ideas ( Thanks for the ideas !) discussed in this list some time back, I thought I will make the system boot in single user mode. This substantially reduced the boot time. The main requirement of my system is that I should be able to connect to another machine and start UDP communication with it. A Point to point link connects the two machines (All IP address hardcoded and no need for DNS). Can anyone tell me what daemons are required to satisfy this requirement? Also can you please send me any links, documents etc explaining the functionality of different daemons? Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 27 11:34:04 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] About the Daemons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020827162423.GA9650@sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:38:55AM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: All you need is networking for that. See this HOWTO for a better explanation than you can get from banter on the list http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html I'd set the default runlevel to 3 and remove EVERYTHING you don't need with "chkconfig" or "setup" But that's just me. >Hi, >I have a RH6.2 installed in an embedded system. To reduce the boot >time, apart from the ideas ( Thanks for the ideas !) discussed in this >list some time back, I thought I will make the system boot in single user mode. >This substantially reduced the boot time. > >The main requirement of my system is that I should be able to connect to >another machine and start UDP communication with it. >A Point to point link connects the two machines (All IP address >hardcoded and no need for DNS). Can anyone tell me what daemons are >required to satisfy this requirement? Also can you please send me any >links, documents etc explaining the functionality of different daemons? >Thanks for the help in advance. >Sreekumar > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There really should be nothing else using that device (I mean, I'm not running any services that ought to be looking there). I can unmount the drive if I log out and log back in again (even without doing any kind of restart or shut down). But if I then remount the device, I can't unmount it without repeating the logout/in. I believe there is old information of a mount request stuck somewhere in the system and it won't let it go. Some hopefully helpful output from the system is at the end of this message below the -----. Further details of how I directly messed everything up follow immediately below. I tried to set up autofs to automount my windows partitions. Being a newbie, I specified the same mount points in my /etc/auto.misc file as I did in /etc/fstab. Then I typed a mount command for the drive (why! could have just let it automount - don't ask) and it mounted, of course. It was probably also mounted by autofs on the same mount point and things got gummed up. Well, I figured out that this wasn't a good idea and changed the mount point for the automounter from /mnt/winc to /automount/winc for drive hda5 (and likewise for my other windows vfat partitions). In my mind the details are now fuzzy, but I tried to restart the automounter (can't remember if I tried stopping it and started it, or whether I just restarted it). Whatever I did, the winc drive was mounted and I couldn't unmount it. Regrettably, I then did all sorts of stupid stuff. It seemed I had two copies of the autofs daemon running, so I tried killing the old one. It wouldn't shut off by typing '/etc/init.d/autofs stop' no matter how many times I typed it (i.e. to kill the current one and then the old one) so I had to use kill. I don't remember if I used -HUP or -9 to kill it, although I would have tried -HUP first. Well the drive still wouldn't unmount, and /etc/mtab was listing two copies of automount and two mounts of winc at the same mount point. So I made the fatal error of assuming root and removing the two offending lines from /etc/mtab (meaning the older ones). It seems like that when I mounted it twice at the same time on the same mount point, that some leftover junk from the automount is lying around in the system somewhere. A cold restart is no better than logging out and logging back in in terms of dealing with the problem. Any ideas of where to look to fix this, or useful tools, or any kind of documentation? The man pages for mount/unmount and documentation for autofs don't really go into this much depth. Although any bonehead should know better than to do what I've done, I'm having trouble finding a way out. Thanks for any suggestions, Rob Helpful, I hope: --------------------------- $cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,exec,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user,kudzu 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/winc vfat owner,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda5 /mnt/wind vfat owner,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda6 /mnt/winaux vfat owner,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip100.0 auto noauto,owner,user,kudzu 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat noauto,owner,user, 0 0 /dev/hda1 /automount/winc vfat noauto,owner,user 0 0 /dev/hda5 /automount/wind vfat noauto,owner,user 0 0 /dev/hda6 /automount/winaux vfat noauto,owner,user 0 0 The following is with nothing mounted - successfully unmounted the winc drive from /mnt. $ cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda7 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/hda4 /home ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 $ cat /etc/auto.master # $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $ # Sample auto.master file # Format of this file: # mountpoint map options # For details of the format look at autofs(8). # /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 /automount /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 $cat /etc/auto.misc # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:04 hpa Exp $ # This is an automounter map and it has the following format # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage winc -fstype=vfat,rw,nosuid,noexec,noauto,user :/dev/hda1 wind -fstype=vfat,rw,nosuid,noexec,noauto,user :/dev/hda5 winaux -fstype=vfat,rw,nosuid,noexec,noauto,user :/dev/hda6 ---hoping maybe that one of these locks is the culprit, although I'm not sure that could possibly be clear from the following: $cat /proc/locks 1: POSIX ADVISORY READ 1877 03:03:133268 4 4 c7c023a0 c02c5508 c7c02234 00000000 c7c023ac 2: POSIX ADVISORY WRITE 1228 03:04:376882 0 EOF c7c02230 c7c023a4 c7c0217c 00000000 c7c0223c 3: POSIX ADVISORY WRITE 1228 03:04:376845 0 EOF c7c02178 c7c02234 c7c021d8 00000000 c7c02184 4: POSIX ADVISORY WRITE 1020 03:03:133259 0 EOF c7c021d4 c7c0217c c7c02120 00000000 c7c021e0 5: FLOCK ADVISORY WRITE 931 03:03:133254 0 EOF c7c0211c c7c021d8 c02c5508 00000000 c7c02128 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 27 12:41:18 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? Message-ID: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 27 13:16:35 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 12:24:46PM -0500 References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020827130259.E28440@okane.localnet> Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? we just implemented Virge/Sophie here at work; we have about 400 mailboxes, most folks using windows clients with sendmail on linux for the mailserver. so far this seems to be working ok, although I'm not the mailserver admin so I can't comment on installation and how well it's actually working (could put you in touch with that person if interested). http://www.vanja.com/tools/ As I understand it the software is free but you have to pay for the virus updates. From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Aug 27 13:17:14 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unmount problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02082713030300.06098@nancy> On Tuesday 27 August 2002 11:59, you wrote: > O.K. I've done a bad, baaaad, thing and I really need help. Try fuser. See man fuser. You can see what has a hold on the mountpoint and probably kill it off after turning off the automounter stuff. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 27 13:39:50 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB mouse doesn't recover from APM resume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea. :) This workaround gets the job done. It's not a real solution, but at least I don't have to do the workaround by hand anymore. Thanks, - Jared On Monday 26 August 2002 07:43 am, you wrote: > So what happens if you put a virtual terminal switch in your script? > chvt 1;chvt 7 > > On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Jared Burns wrote: > > One more piece of information which might be useful: Switching virtual > > terminals is enough to make the mouse come back to life. From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 27 14:24:38 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <20020826151621.A18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > How big is your network :-) 500 clients, 15 servers, running a combo of IP/IPX > Netsaint's conf file makes terrible. It makes sendmail.cf look like "My first > ABC books". Awww crap.... :-) > Installing netsaint is easy, configuration is the hard part. Is there any cute tools for aiding the configuration like webmin or anything? Are the sample files "good enough" to get it working in short enough order to mess around with it? I need a tool (or suite of tools, if need be) to monitor things. For one, I need to monitor the traffic and find out why our 100 Mbit switched network is SO FREAKING SLOW. I also need a tool to monitor various pieces of networking hardware (servers, switches, routers, etc) so if a link goes down, we can troubleshoot it quickly. I think Netsaint will accomplish the latter, complete with pretty GUI. Any ideas on the former? I'm messing with Ethereal, seems to do a nice job at telling me what's out there at least. -Brian From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 27 14:57:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030477251.3130.25.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 14:12, Brian wrote: > I need a tool (or suite of tools, if need be) to monitor things. For > one, I need to monitor the traffic and find out why our 100 Mbit switched > network is SO FREAKING SLOW. I also need a tool to monitor various pieces > of networking hardware (servers, switches, routers, etc) so if a link goes > down, we can troubleshoot it quickly. I think Netsaint will accomplish > the latter, complete with pretty GUI. Any ideas on the former? I'm > messing with Ethereal, seems to do a nice job at telling me what's out > there at least. MRTG will do "the former" for you. http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020827194742.GB11361@sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 12:24:46PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >=Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? sophos.com > >Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. >Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020827/26676e61/attachment.pgp From sextus at visi.com Tue Aug 27 15:21:22 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) test Message-ID: <20020827194550.GA18493@sextus.dsl.visi.com> ping -- Michael From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Aug 27 15:22:02 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1096.204.220.62.130.1030372583.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200208271438.54297.joelr@ellegon.com> On Monday 26 August 2002 09:36 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? The tool I'm most familiar with -- and it's an excellent one -- is GUI, but it's proprietary, and Windows-based (although it runs fine on VMware under Linux) -- Network Instruments Observer. see http://www.netinst.com. I'd love to see somebody in the Open Source world duplicate its functionality and ease of use. -- But what would happen to [Osama's] cool armor if he could be reminded of all the good, nonviolent things he has done? Further, what would happen to him if he could be brought to understand the preciousness of the lives he has destroyed? I firmly believe the only punishment that works is love. -- Alice Walker From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 27 18:29:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:24:46 CDT." <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020827231506.560C6180DF@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? That's pretty vague. Do you want to quarantine or do you want to disinfect? The reason I ask is because we use a program called Clam Antivirus. It's written in C, can auto-detect multiple processors and take advantage of multithreading the scanning of files/directories, and uses the virus definitions that come from the Open Antivirus project. I don't recall if you use Sendmail, Exim, or Postfix, but clam antivirus can be used with any of these using AmaVis. We filter all email that is received over the Postfix SMTP daemon. It's a pretty good "Enterprise" level virus scanner setup, and it's all GPL. Merry Christmas! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 27 19:43:28 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matching \n in a regexp In-Reply-To: ; from phil21@five-elements.com on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:16:51AM -0500 References: <20020827022913.GD24328@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020827193052.H2073@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:16:51AM -0500, Phil Doroff wrote: > Try ctrl+m instead, works in vim. I think it's silly as well, \n should > work fine. Pfft. > ctrl+v then enter in vim =p > > -Phil -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 27 21:50:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020827231506.560C6180DF@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 06:15:06PM -0500 References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> <20020827231506.560C6180DF@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020827213908.A8198@real-time.com> Quoting Chad Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > I don't recall if you use Sendmail, Exim, or Postfix, but clam antivirus > can be used with any of these using AmaVis. We filter all email that is > received over the Postfix SMTP daemon. Amavis doesn't scale, at least from our testing and real world experiences. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 27 21:52:53 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network monitor tool In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:12:38PM -0500 References: <20020826151621.A18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020827214421.B8198@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > How big is your network :-) > > 500 clients, 15 servers, running a combo of IP/IPX ^^^ ewww! > > Netsaint's conf file makes terrible. It makes sendmail.cf look like "My first > > ABC books". > > Awww crap.... :-) Check out www.netsaint.org, there are a couple tools, but like most front-ends, they don't give the flexibility we needed at Real Time. > I need a tool (or suite of tools, if need be) to monitor things. For > one, I need to monitor the traffic and find out why our 100 Mbit switched > network is SO FREAKING SLOW. I also need a tool to monitor various pieces > of networking hardware (servers, switches, routers, etc) so if a link goes > down, we can troubleshoot it quickly. I think Netsaint will accomplish > the latter, complete with pretty GUI. Any ideas on the former? I'm > messing with Ethereal, seems to do a nice job at telling me what's out > there at least. My guess would be you have some ports half duplex and other full duplex. Lots of tardo cards can't negotiate. The best tool for all of the above is opennms, imho. It's (now) easy to install (ala Ximian GNOME-like lynx -source http://install.opennms.org | sh). Had a great front-end (all web based using jsp). It's large application, with a high learning curve. MIBs, MIB compilers, etc. Are things most people have no experience using. The worse thing is about opennms is you need a heft box to run it. Your network would take something in 1G RAM, athlon, 80G disk range, imho. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Tue Aug 27 22:51:57 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble Message-ID: Hi All, I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both running RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as much as a ping between the two boxes. I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. I'm using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I took it off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables and hub. I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 Unleashed, which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I don't need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf files that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, Jeff From davisn at mailandnews.com Tue Aug 27 23:55:03 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:43:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble References: Message-ID: <3D6C5740.6C5BB300@mailandnews.com> "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." wrote: > Hi All, > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both running > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as much > as a ping between the two boxes. > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. I'm > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I took it > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables and > hub. > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 Unleashed, > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I don't > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf files > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list What does '/sbin/ifconfig' say for each box? From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 28 00:13:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: ; from JDHEMMINGER@stthomas.edu on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:31:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020827235613.C8198@real-time.com> Quoting Hemminger, Jeffrey D. (JDHEMMINGER@stthomas.edu): > Hi All, > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both running > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as much > as a ping between the two boxes. > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. I'm > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I took it > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables and > hub. > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 Unleashed, > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I don't > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf files > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, Try netconfig, to make sure all your parameters are right. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/index.html <- might help too -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From scotty at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 28 08:45:34 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200208281258.g7SCwnA19031@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Tuesday 27 August 2002 10:31 pm, you wrote: > I but I'm > having trouble getting as much as a ping between the two boxes. Jeff, can you ping your local host (ping 127.0.0.1), if so work your way out form there. Next ping your own ip address, and so on. This will tell you where your problem is. > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and > /etc/sysconfig/network. Double check everything. How have you modified the files? > I've scoured the internet and several books Linux System Administration, A User's Guide ?(ISBN 0-201-71934-7) by Marcel Gagne is a very good and easy reading book. -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Wed Aug 28 09:43:05 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble References: <3D6C5740.6C5BB300@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <00d901c24ea0$2ce982f0$566fd18c@OSS22904> (the following holds for both) ifconfig looks like this: lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING Mtu:16436 Metric: 1 etc etc etc when I check ifconfig eth0, however, it doesn't say UP BROADCAST RUNNING, it just says BROADCAST. I can ping the localhost (ping 127.0.0.1), just fine. I cannot ping my own IP address, though. The error is connect: Network unreachable I've edited the files in vi. I will check out the HOWTO that was recommended. I appreciate the feedback, all! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both running > > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've > > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as much > > as a ping between the two boxes. > > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. I'm > > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I took it > > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables and > > hub. > > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf > > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? > > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 Unleashed, > > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught > > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I don't > > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf files > > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require > > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > > > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > What does '/sbin/ifconfig' say for each box? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Wed Aug 28 09:59:04 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble References: <3D6C5740.6C5BB300@mailandnews.com> <00d901c24ea0$2ce982f0$566fd18c@OSS22904> Message-ID: <010701c24ea2$c6a0ca50$566fd18c@OSS22904> ah ha! ifconfig eth0 ... up I figured it was something stupid I was (or wasn't) doing... ;-) Thanks again, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > (the following holds for both) > ifconfig looks like this: > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING Mtu:16436 Metric: 1 > etc etc etc > > when I check ifconfig eth0, however, it doesn't say UP BROADCAST RUNNING, > it just says BROADCAST. > > I can ping the localhost (ping 127.0.0.1), just fine. > I cannot ping my own IP address, though. > The error is connect: Network unreachable > > I've edited the files in vi. > I will check out the HOWTO that was recommended. > > I appreciate the feedback, all! > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Davis" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble > > > > "Hemminger, Jeffrey D." wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > I'm a brand new user, and I'm charged with setting up 2 servers both > running > > > RH7.2 on a very small private network (a development environment). I've > > > installed an email service on each, but I'm having trouble getting as > much > > > as a ping between the two boxes. > > > I've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, and /etc/sysconfig/network. > I'm > > > using a generic, supported NIC, everything was working fine before I > took it > > > off the University's network, eth0 seems ok, and I've checked the cables > and > > > hub. > > > I'm looking for 1) Am I missing something obvious or did I modify a conf > > > file I wasn't supposed to? and/or 2) some simple troubleshooting ideas? > > > I've scoured the internet and several books (my manual is RH7.2 > Unleashed, > > > which I don't recommend to anyone FWIW), and I seem to be getting caught > > > between either a HOWTO that's more complicated than I'm looking for (I > don't > > > need DNS, for example), or a dumbed down version that has me edit conf > files > > > that I don't need from a different distribution (RH7.2 does not require > > > /etc/HOSTNAME, for example). > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > > > > > > Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > What does '/sbin/ifconfig' say for each box? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scotty at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 28 10:55:03 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network set up trouble In-Reply-To: <010701c24ea2$c6a0ca50$566fd18c@OSS22904> References: <00d901c24ea0$2ce982f0$566fd18c@OSS22904> <010701c24ea2$c6a0ca50$566fd18c@OSS22904> Message-ID: <200208281545.g7SFjZA19524@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Wednesday 28 August 2002 09:54 am, you wrote: > ah ha! ifconfig eth0 ... up > Sometimes you can't see the forest because of the trees. Glad it's working. -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From pt-becker at attbi.com Wed Aug 28 14:09:31 2002 From: pt-becker at attbi.com (pt becker) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1st time newbie question Message-ID: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> Hi there I recently installed SUSE 8.0 on new box, the install went smooth and I have been tweaking on it for the last few days. I hope this isn't too simple of a question or an - oh crap I should have known that kind of question - because I have a few of these newbie questions. Anyways, with the install YAST did recognized my printer (HP OfficeJet 570), however, YAST recognized it as gray scale (black & white) and the printer is a color printer. You know - its like I'm watching TV and the screen is black & white when I have a decent color TV. Please point me in the direction so I can send color to my printer, if you need more info on my box let me know. Thanks in advance - Pete From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 28 14:58:02 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba Message-ID: In Win9x, it's possible to set up a read/write share with no password. If you're on the same LAN, you automatically have full rights to that share. No questions asked. I want to do the same on samba, but I can't find any docs on how to do it. Any ideas on where I can find info on this? Yes, I have a legit reason. -Brian From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Aug 28 15:14:05 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux_wlan help - (again) In-Reply-To: <48166.198.74.20.73.1030457749.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <1030440054.20814.41.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <48166.198.74.20.73.1030457749.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1030560864.2227.25.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- find . -name .depend -exec rm {} \; set -e; for d in src doc man etc; do make -C $d install ; done make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14/src' set -e; for d in p80211 prism2 shared wlanctl wland nwepgen mkmeta wlancfg; do make -C $d install ; done make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14/src/p80211' mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk 2.4.18-6mdksmp 2.4.18-6mdksecure/net cp p80211.o /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk 2.4.18-6mdksmp 2.4.18-6mdksecure/net make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14/src/p80211' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14/src' -------------- next part -------------- cp: omitting directory `/lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk' cp: omitting directory `2.4.18-6mdksmp' make[2]: *** [install] Error 1 make[1]: *** [install] Error 2 make: *** [install] Error 2 From linux at bmetzler.org Wed Aug 28 15:51:12 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030566689.639.6.camel@client10> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 14:44, Brian wrote: > In Win9x, it's possible to set up a read/write share with no password. If > you're on the same LAN, you automatically have full rights to that > share. No questions asked. > > I want to do the same on samba, but I can't find any docs on how to do > it. Any ideas on where I can find info on this? Set security to share instead of user in smb.conf. And then you'll have no security by default. # Security mode. Most people will want user level security. See # security_level.txt for details. security = share -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 | http://www.bmetzler.org brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 | 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 | MSN: passort@bmetzler.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 28 17:42:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:44:29PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > In Win9x, it's possible to set up a read/write share with no password. If > you're on the same LAN, you automatically have full rights to that > share. No questions asked. > > I want to do the same on samba, but I can't find any docs on how to do > it. Any ideas on where I can find info on this? > > Yes, I have a legit reason. I think this might help you. http://samba.linuxbe.org/en/samba/learn/security.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Aug 28 18:07:03 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) References: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com> Anyone out there a computer security consultant? I have a friend who is starting a business venture and may need some computer security consultation, mainly for personal computer security (ie email encryption, personal firewalls, maybe small network stuff, nothing enterprise level although you should have some knowledge in that arena as well but you would not be expected to be a guru). You would almost surely have to spend some time in the Microsoft world (anyone ideologically opposed to all things Microsoft don't bother responding) although I'm sure there would be chances to persuade folks to the Linux world if it makes sense to do so (ie routers/firewall boxes etc... but none of these people will dump their Windows environments because it's "unsafe", they'll expect you to make it safe. these are financial people and are generally uncomfortable with change.). Anyway, if any of you fit this description and you are interested in some work drop me your name and phone number (off list is fine if you are uncomfortable with posting that info here) and I'll forward them to him. Thanks, Ben. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 28 19:52:48 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE (kwin) + xinerama Message-ID: <20020828191006.B3529@real-time.com> Anyone have xinerama and kde (kwin) working "good"? Next question is if you don't run xinerama, how do you access the other screens? I know how to run and display an application to a different screen, but how do I get my mouse over there? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 28 20:23:05 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:49:51PM -0500 References: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): > none of these people will dump their Windows environments because it's > "unsafe", they'll expect you to make it safe. these are financial > people and are generally uncomfortable with change.). I'll speak up here. First, the only safe environment is your mother womb :-P Ok, the only safe network/computer/etc is one without any users. This is the first thing most security people will tell you. Since you gotta have users, then it because risk management. I know this sounds like splitting hairs, but keeping management (or the financial people in your case) happy you need to manage expectations. IF management thinks a security consultant will walk out and their network is "safe" "forever". That is a bad thing. ** IN GENERAL ** I've found (and most people on this list) that Linux exposes you and your company to LESS risks (more secure environment). Second, ** generally ** more security means so sort of change. If your users won't/aren't willing to make some changes, then you'll never be able to have a "safe" environment. Simple example. Mandatory password aging. Every 30 days you expire all passwords and force the user to choose a new, non-dictionary, not-used-before password. Gonna have a change, every 30 days. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 28 20:55:59 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick NIC Trade Message-ID: Hey, Anyone feel like trading a PCI 10/100 NIC (preferably an Intel EtherExpress Pro or a 3com 3c905) for this PCMCIA Intel NIC I have (says "Intel PRO/100" on it)? And sometime before Friday? -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Aug 28 22:12:56 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick NIC Trade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sure, i got eepro100 and 3c905s, your choice Munir Nassar On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Anyone feel like trading a PCI 10/100 NIC (preferably an Intel > EtherExpress Pro or a 3com 3c905) for this PCMCIA Intel NIC I have (says > "Intel PRO/100" on it)? And sometime before Friday? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Wed Aug 28 22:29:08 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1st time newbie question In-Reply-To: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> References: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200208282214.03901.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 28 August 2002 15:58, pt becker wrote: > Hi there > I recently installed SUSE 8.0 on new box, the install went smooth and I > have been tweaking on it for the last few days. I hope this isn't too > simple of a question or an - oh crap I should have known that kind of > question - because I have a few of these newbie questions. Anyways, with > the install YAST did recognized my printer (HP OfficeJet 570), > however, YAST recognized it as gray scale (black & white) and the > printer is a color printer. You know - its like I'm watching TV and the > screen is black & white when I have a decent color TV. Please point me > in the direction so I can send color to my printer, if you need more > info on my box let me know. > Thanks in advance - Pete > If I remember correctly SuSE 8.0 installs lpr-ng as the print handler by default. What you want to do is go into YAST and load the cups packages. Here's a listing of the cups releated packages on my SuSE 8.0 system. cups-libs-1.1.12-69 yast2-agent-cups-2.5.6-31 yast2-config-cups-2.5.16-7 cups-client-1.1.12-69 cups-1.1.12-69 qtcups-2.0-319 yast2-trans-cups-2.5.14-8 cups-drivers-1.1.10-78 I'm running KDE and like qtcups as a printer control, you may not. The yast2-* packages give you the ability to setup and control in YAST. The drivers package will have additional drivers. If your printer is not listed do some web searching. Many of the OfficeJets will work with color DeskJet 550C driver. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From clay at fandre.com Wed Aug 28 22:52:53 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] September TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20020826160254.GF12739@fandre.com> Always wanted to ditch that Windows partition but you couldn't because you still need Microsoft Office? Or Quicken? Or Lotus Notes? Then this one meeting you shouldn't miss... When: Saturday, September 7th, 2002 Noon - 2pm Topic: Jeremy White from Codeweavers will be talking about their suite of products, including Crossover Office, Crossover Plugin, and Crossover Office Server. CodeWeavers is the leading corporate backer of the Wine Project. They use their expertise in Wine to help our customers to leverage Windows technology in the Linux world. One of their most popular applications is Crossover Office, which allows Microsoft Office to run in Linux. Combined with Crossover Plugin, the Linux desktop is becoming better than ever. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Parking: The Washington Ave. parking ramp is across the street from the EE/CS building. This is usually your best bet unless there is a sporting event going on. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WashRamp/ Hope to see you there! Check out the TCLUG website for more information: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 28 22:53:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new incoming freshmen know about tclug? Any place we can put cheap plugs? If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to donate some cash to get the word out. Any CSci orientation thingie? When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Aug 29 00:38:26 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors Message-ID: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> I just noticed on the back of the latest Tiger Direct catalog that they were selling Via C3 processors. In fact, they were only $20 more then a comparable Duron mhz wise. I haven't heard of the C3 processor before. Does anyone know anything about it? What makes it special? Is it worth the extra money? Their product page (http://www.via.com.tw/en/viac3/c3.jsp) claims that it's Linux compatible. It looks like with the right hardware this could be made into a small quiet thinstation for the living room. Any thoughts? -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 | http://www.bmetzler.org brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 | 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 | MSN: passort@bmetzler.org From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 29 00:40:55 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> References: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com> <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:31PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): > > none of these people will dump their Windows environments because it's > > "unsafe", they'll expect you to make it safe. these are financial > > people and are generally uncomfortable with change.). > > I'll speak up here. Me too. > Simple example. Mandatory password aging. Every 30 days you expire all passwords > and force the user to choose a new, non-dictionary, not-used-before password. > Gonna have a change, every 30 days. Do you know what will this guarantee? That in less than 30 seconds by looking under the monitor, under the desk and the top drawer you will find the post-it with the last 5 passwords. Bob, when was the last time you changed you house keys? Your office keys? Your office alarm code? Give me a break. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was at a conference last January talking about the next generation of server farms ... like 50,000 servers in a football stadium ... turns out heat loss is a big issue in designing the whole facility ... in addition .. there are companies out there that are using CPUs like this to make large CHEAP clusters for high end cluster computing ... some of them can get like 20+ across in a 4U (I believe that is the right rack/case) case. Each server is a simple card that pops into a bus .. pretty slick actually anyone out there running Linux on a cluster like this in the Twin Cities? Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Metzler" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors > I just noticed on the back of the latest Tiger Direct catalog that they > were selling Via C3 processors. In fact, they were only $20 more then a > comparable Duron mhz wise. > > I haven't heard of the C3 processor before. Does anyone know anything > about it? What makes it special? Is it worth the extra money? > > Their product page (http://www.via.com.tw/en/viac3/c3.jsp) claims that > it's Linux compatible. > > It looks like with the right hardware this could be made into a small > quiet thinstation for the living room. > > Any thoughts? > > -- > Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 | http://www.bmetzler.org > brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 | > 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 | MSN: passort@bmetzler.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 01:20:41 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE (kwin) + xinerama In-Reply-To: <20020828191006.B3529@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have xinerama and kde (kwin) working "good"? Works fine for me. > Next question is if you don't run xinerama, how do you access the other > screens? > > I know how to run and display an application to a different screen, but > how do I get my mouse over there? Drag your mouse across to it. :) You gotta run the window manager twice, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 01:21:20 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick NIC Trade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Yaron wrote: > Anyone feel like trading a PCI 10/100 NIC (preferably an Intel > EtherExpress Pro or a 3com 3c905) for this PCMCIA Intel NIC I have (says > "Intel PRO/100" on it)? And sometime before Friday? Sure. I got both. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Aug 29 01:22:00 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001001c24f21$778f72c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Bob, your points are not wrong, but you and others who sound off on this topic aren't beginning by determining what the REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS CUSTOMER may be. Your idea of security jumps in without the initial fact-finding step, and moves on to a recommended solution that's somewhere in the middle between none and NSA levels. The customer may indeed want a procedure that has a security consultant come in, do things, and leave with reviewed procedures left in place, and that can be made good enough. That may be enough for him to buy insurance for potential losses and get on with business. If the employees are TRUSTED (as a requirement, despite what any experience may imply), then NOT CHANGING passwords may be a requirement (until turnover events occur). "Ideal security" closely resembles "ideal politics" and is as hard to find :-) Real security (such as compartmentalized NSA levels are) is far beyond anything yet mentioned here, and involves extra hardware at key data flow and control flow nodes. Some of that hardware is pistols for the guards and EMI shielding for the building(s). FWIW, Lucent uses an electronic key as one of the layers in their 3 or so layered approach on certain dial-in accounts: the electronic part of the password is on a serialized unit like a pocket watch and changes its 6 digit code the user must enter (for that security layer) every three minutes and requires a matched and keyed generator at the server end. Best to check whether the requirements call for extra stuff or not. Many are only concerned with keeping viruses out, and are willing to apply formal rules to assure a "trusted" employee, "simple" context. Some of the cost side of the equation is the customer's idea of their labor costs associated with installing and maintaining the proposed solution. --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > > Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): > > none of these people will dump their Windows environments > because it's > > "unsafe", they'll expect you to make it safe. these are financial > > people and are generally uncomfortable with change.). > > I'll speak up here. > > > First, the only safe environment is your mother womb :-P Ok, > the only safe > network/computer/etc is one without any users. This is the > first thing most > security people will tell you. > > Since you gotta have users, then it because risk management. > I know this sounds > like splitting hairs, but keeping management (or the > financial people in your > case) happy you need to manage expectations. IF management > thinks a security > consultant will walk out and their network is "safe" > "forever". That is a bad > thing. From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 29 01:22:39 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Simple example. Mandatory password aging. Every 30 days you expire all passwords > > and force the user to choose a new, non-dictionary, not-used-before password. > > Gonna have a change, every 30 days. > Do you know what will this guarantee? That in less than 30 seconds by > looking under the monitor, under the desk and the top drawer you will find > the post-it with the last 5 passwords. If someone has physical access, you're screwed anyway. Give me physical access to any machine and I'm more than likely going to be able to get your data, be it by boot linux init=/bin/sh, by booting Solaris from my own CDROM or by ripping the drives out of your machine and then doing data recovery at my leisure. > Bob, when was the last time you changed you house keys? When I moved in, and WHENEVER I LOSE A KEY. Furthermore, I am NOT doing the postit-equivalent - I don't hide a spare key under the rug, nor anywhere else! I also have home insurance. I think what Bob was trying to say is it'd be NICE from a security standpoint to force password aging and facist-checking of new passwords, but you'll get massive user resistance and likely won't get it implemented. Heck, it'd be nice to make everyone use some kind of SecureID token, too, but good luck convincing Mr Computer Illiterate CEO of that. But I guess that's what consultants are for. -Yaron -- From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Aug 29 01:23:21 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001101c24f21$78a0e2c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get publicity enough. --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > Importance: High > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > donate some cash to > get the word out. > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Aug 29 01:54:50 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:07:19AM -0500 References: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020829013847.M2073@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:07:19AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > If someone has physical access, you're screwed anyway. Give me physical > access to any machine and I'm more than likely going to be able to get > your data, be it by boot linux init=/bin/sh only idiots leave lilo/grub unprotected for the init=/bin/sh hack, even with physical access you can still prevent booting from floppy/cdrom, pw protect the bios (and use a system that doesn't allow you to easily reset the password) etc etc. of course, you shouldn't be allowing employees to store data on their system, and if you can, you should have them running thin clients anyway. as for post-it notes, there are much better ways to authenticate someone, my girlfriends father has to use a usb keyfob device to activate his workstation, you can also use devices such as retina scanners, fingerprint scanners, and (much more cheaply) voice print identification. > > Bob, when was the last time you changed you house keys? > > When I moved in, and WHENEVER I LOSE A KEY. Furthermore, I am NOT doing > the postit-equivalent - I don't hide a spare key under the rug, nor > anywhere else! I also have home insurance. Who needs keys? It's probably much easier to force a window open, or slide a credit card in the door. > I think what Bob was trying to say is it'd be NICE from a security > standpoint to force password aging and facist-checking of new passwords, > but you'll get massive user resistance and likely won't get it > implemented. Heck, it'd be nice to make everyone use some kind of SecureID > token, too, but good luck convincing Mr Computer Illiterate CEO of that. > Users want to go to work, surf the web, and chat about how sue in accounting is borking john the ceo. they won't want their gossip time taken up by having to deal with 'that security crap'. > But I guess that's what consultants are for. consultants aren't helpful, they'll only tell you the same thing that any good admin has been telling you since he/she was hired. the consultant is usually ignored for the same reason the admin has been ignored: the users are too lazy. > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Aug 29 02:46:02 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> References: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com> <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020829072316.GC30872@tcopensys.com> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 12:35:32AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:31PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> Quoting Ben Bargabus (ben_b@ppdonline.com): >> > none of these people will dump their Windows environments because it's >> > "unsafe", they'll expect you to make it safe. these are financial >> > people and are generally uncomfortable with change.). >> >> I'll speak up here. > >Me too. > >> Simple example. Mandatory password aging. Every 30 days you expire all passwords >> and force the user to choose a new, non-dictionary, not-used-before password. >> Gonna have a change, every 30 days. > >Do you know what will this guarantee? That in less than 30 seconds by >looking under the monitor, under the desk and the top drawer you will find >the post-it with the last 5 passwords. > >Bob, when was the last time you changed you house keys? Your office >keys? Your office alarm code? heh you have a point there. to what level are you secure? what is important? what are people willing to pay for? all part of your total security package. > >Give me a break. > >florin > >-- > >"If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020829/32ea2c38/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 05:57:24 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cups setup In-Reply-To: <200208282214.03901.jack@jacku.com> References: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> <200208282214.03901.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:14:03 -0500 Jack Ungerleider wrote: > If I remember correctly SuSE 8.0 installs lpr-ng as the print handler by > default. What you want to do is go into YAST and load the cups packages. > Here's a listing of the cups releated packages on my SuSE 8.0 system. > > I'm working on getting a printer going on one of my Slackware systems and am looking at cups as well. I've skimmed through a couple of printer how-tos, but they only mention cups in passing. Any ideas on where I can find a good step-by-step directions on how to set it up? I'm using an HP-Deskjet 960c that's connected to an HP-JetDirect 170x box. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 08:49:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 12:35:32AM -0500 References: <20020828172141.E8198@real-time.com> <3D6D538F.36159EA7@ppdonline.com> <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> <20020829053532.GA592@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020829083030.D18437@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Do you know what will this guarantee? That in less than 30 seconds by > looking under the monitor, under the desk and the top drawer you will find > the post-it with the last 5 passwords. > > Bob, when was the last time you changed you house keys? Got me there. > Your office keys? In March. > Your office alarm code? Every month. > Give me a break. Get a clue, then I'll give you a break. Read any security whitepaper and you'll see password aging is recommended. I could have been real anal and said session password, ala a token card, that expires every 30 mins. Password aging for a normal user, yes, a postit on the monitor might happen. But a normal user doesn't have access to much data. A postit note on the monitor of an admin or user with privileges, that should never happen. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 08:50:08 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <001001c24f21$778f72c0$6401a8c0@HPZT>; from cncole@earthlink.net on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 12:42:33AM -0500 References: <20020828192231.B18437@real-time.com> <001001c24f21$778f72c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <20020829083254.E18437@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Cole (cncole@earthlink.net): > > Bob, your points are not wrong, but you and others who sound off on this > topic aren't beginning by determining what the REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS > CUSTOMER may be. Your idea of security jumps in without the initial > fact-finding step, and moves on to a recommended solution that's somewhere > in the middle between none and NSA levels. Thus the statement with the phrases *generally* and *imho* and *error(?) towards security*. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Aug 29 11:22:07 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Scanner for Linux - someone was looking for one Message-ID: <271c31c704202807d2@[172.29.97.10]> There is an article http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/2002/08/27/filtering.html on perlmx and mail::audit IPC 2002 From JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu Thu Aug 29 11:34:47 2002 From: JDHEMMINGER at stthomas.edu (Hemminger, Jeffrey D.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? References: <001101c24f21$78a0e2c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <003801c24f60$149d40e0$566fd18c@OSS22904> Hey I'd be glad to help with organizing an InstallFest at St Thomas. We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and faculty both would welcome the opportunity to speak with some Linux gurus, get some setup help, etc. Give me some info/contacts and I'll run with it. We should do it at the beginning of the semester before things really get cooking (i.e. within the next month or so). Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info > booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed > during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in > the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in > apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific > applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. > Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's > a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not > really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. > Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an > InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get > publicity enough. > > > --- > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > > Importance: High > > > > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > > new incoming > > freshmen know about tclug? > > > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > > donate some cash to > > get the word out. > > > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Thu Aug 29 11:35:27 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cups setup In-Reply-To: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> <200208282214.03901.jack@jacku.com> <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02082908492701.09481@nancy> On Thursday 29 August 2002 05:32, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:14:03 -0500 > > Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > If I remember correctly SuSE 8.0 installs lpr-ng as the print handler by > > default. What you want to do is go into YAST and load the cups packages. > > Here's a listing of the cups releated packages on my SuSE 8.0 system. > > I'm working on getting a printer going on one of my Slackware systems and > am looking at cups as well. I've skimmed through a couple of printer > how-tos, but they only mention cups in passing. Any ideas on where I can > find a good step-by-step directions on how to set it up? > > I'm using an HP-Deskjet 960c that's connected to an HP-JetDirect 170x box. Slack 8.1 has CUPS as an extra package. Maby you could use some of that? I have cups running on Slack 8.0 currently and found that the only thing I did differently was some of the security for the web interface. I would have to do some digging to remember what. Other than that, I installed CUPS from source using the readme in the tarball. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From ben at workscited.net Thu Aug 29 12:50:04 2002 From: ben at workscited.net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic tutoring / install help needed In-Reply-To: <003801c24f60$149d40e0$566fd18c@OSS22904> References: <001101c24f21$78a0e2c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020829123134.00a929e8@mail.max.inter.net> Hello again, folks. Last week I decided Mandrake 8.1 just wasn't new enough for me now that I have a cable modem, so I downloaded the 8.2 CDs, repartitioned my drive, and attempted to install the new version. Got a kernel panic -- can't mount root partition -- a few seconds into loading the installer. Here's what I've tried so far: * Are the CDs bad? No, I checked them against the images, and checked the images against the checksums available online. * Is my drive unsupported? No, it still works with the 8.1 CDs, and swapping out the drive for another doesn't help. * Is my K6 processor unsupported? No, it still works with 8.1, and "expert nopentium" at the boot prompt doesn't help. * Is the problem with Mandrake? No, I downloaded Red Hat 7.3 and the same thing happens. * Would it help to upgrade to 8.2 rather than install directly? That gets around the kernel panic, but a number of packages don't upgrade correctly, and the system winds up halfway between 8.1 and 8.2. Anyway, I'm realizing that the bigger problem here is that I'm not enough of a geek to figure out what's going on. I live in Lyn-Lake -- surely there are other Linux folks nearby who are better at this stuff than I am. My roommate and I are pretty good cooks, and Uptown Pizza is only 2 blocks away. So if anybody out there is up for a challenge and hungry for dinner, please write to me. Thanks in advance! --Ben From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 13:39:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New nessus package in greyhatpak Message-ID: <20020829132726.U27946@real-time.com> Got nessus-1.2.5 into the greyhatpak. * Fri Aug 29 2002 Bob Tanner + nessus-1.2.5-realtime.1 - upgrade to 1.2.5 - changes by Michel Arboi (arboi@bigfoot.com) - find_service now displays unknown service that run on assigned ports - read_stream_connection smarter (smaller timeout) - find_service sometimes declared IDENT as "unknown" - changes by Renaud Deraison (deraison@cvs.nessus.org) - Fixed a deadlock that would prevent some plugins from completing - Fixed a possible (although rare) corruption issue in the reports (the script IDs could under some circumstances be random) - Fixed a potential segfault in the execution of nasl scripts - And lots of new plugins... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. 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I've got a box that won't boot from cd-rom, and it's all scsi drives/cdrom with an adaptec card that I'm trying to load. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From alcyone at slava.net Thu Aug 29 21:52:09 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020829142429.GA13877@sadalbari> Incoming CSci grad orientation was yesterday, and what I remember of last year's, there didn't seem to be a good place to plug linux there. I'm not sure how different the undergrad one is... I found out about TCLUG from a flyer in EE/CS. I was walking to class and I saw a picture of Tux on the bulletin board outside and it caught my eye. I haven't seen any such flyers since then. Maybe we should have a designated flyer person to make and distribute them? If you have something like Tux to catch your eye, and you put at least the website in big print so they can remember it even if they're in a hurry... that's what worked for me. :) Lorry What a fine Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:39:55PM -0500 it was when Bob Tanner said: > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 21:54:33 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: <20020829013847.M2073@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > consultants aren't helpful, they'll only tell you the same thing that > any good admin has been telling you since he/she was hired. the > consultant is usually ignored for the same reason the admin has been > ignored: the users are too lazy. Actually, I've found the opposite to be true - companies will often listen to the words of a (trusted) consultant, as they are paying the consultant $120+/hr, so they "must" know what they are talking about. So, even though I often repeat the words of admins at companies, many times they listen to me. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Thu Aug 29 21:55:10 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: The "Engineer's Week" is usually more of an IT fair encompassing all areas of the Institute of Technology's programs. This would be a great place if you can get a table. That might be tough though, as it tends to be filled with corporations (one of those "don't come here without resumes" type thing). You could also place postings inside the EE/CS building, and every other IT building for that matter (They're in the same general area so it wouldn't be too daunting a task). Another spot is in the Daily (www.mndaily.com) classifieds or "Hey You" ads (free 1-3 lines, I think. If not free, cheap.) An ad could also be placed, but that costs money. I never went to one, but the installfests seem to get a bit of publicity around campus (I have at least heard that they're happening before). Contacting the various IT-related student groups may be a good way to spread the word, too. Groups like the ACM, who've also done installfests, I think. My $.02 >>> cncole@earthlink.net 08/29/02 12:56AM >>> UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get publicity enough. --- Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > Importance: High > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > donate some cash to > get the word out. > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020829/e0501cdb/attachment.htm From rudie at rudie.net Thu Aug 29 21:55:54 2002 From: rudie at rudie.net (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors In-Reply-To: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> References: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> Message-ID: <20020829085440.551903fa.rudie@rudie.net> On 27 Aug 2002 12:23:04 -0500 Brent Metzler wrote: > I just noticed on the back of the latest Tiger Direct catalog that > they were selling Via C3 processors. In fact, they were only $20 > more then a comparable Duron mhz wise. > > I haven't heard of the C3 processor before. Does anyone know > anything about it? What makes it special? Is it worth the extra > money? > > Their product page (http://www.via.com.tw/en/viac3/c3.jsp) claims > that it's Linux compatible. > > It looks like with the right hardware this could be made into a > small quiet thinstation for the living room. > > Any thoughts? Via bought Cyrix a while back and have tried to revive the bargain-basement chip manufacturer. I had a few old CyrixInstead PR225 and PR300 chips back then, PR standing for Pentium Rated. They were socket 7 chips that ran incredibly hot. They weren't the stablest chips on the block, and my boxes had a tendency to eat CPU fans. (one fan warped its piece of spring steel so bad it lost its spring, and the fan simply fell off). I gave away that same machine with a different fan at the last installfest. I dunno if Via has greatly improved the chip but it is touted as a low-power, low-cost chip for low-end laptops and workstations. Haven't heard much since Via's initial statement upon aquisition. -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Aug 29 22:15:55 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cups setup In-Reply-To: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <007901c24fcf$4ca10200$6462a8c0@slick> Do you want cups from linux, or print from windows to your cups printer? There is also a piece of cups that's a lpd server, so you can use that interface as well (I had to do that to print from 10.1 iMac) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Cups setup On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:14:03 -0500 Jack Ungerleider wrote: > If I remember correctly SuSE 8.0 installs lpr-ng as the print handler by > default. What you want to do is go into YAST and load the cups packages. > Here's a listing of the cups releated packages on my SuSE 8.0 system. > > I'm working on getting a printer going on one of my Slackware systems and am looking at cups as well. I've skimmed through a couple of printer how-tos, but they only mention cups in passing. Any ideas on where I can find a good step-by-step directions on how to set it up? I'm using an HP-Deskjet 960c that's connected to an HP-JetDirect 170x box. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Thu Aug 29 22:16:36 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with makedisk on Slack 8.1 CD In-Reply-To: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208292143.58240.cbidler@innominatus.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# ./makedisk adaptec.s/ adaptec.s/bzImage > su: ./makedisk: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied > Hmm...well, I don't *think* any of these will be it, but I'll tell you what that message makes me think of right off the bat: What does 'which sh' return? What are the permissions on /bin/sh, if it exists? Is makedisk trying to write to a (read-only) spot on /cdrom? - -- Chris H. Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com GPG Key Fingerprint: EFEA C15A E510 CBB9 F880 6E54 A6BB 9766 98E1 DE9F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9btvrpruXZpjh3p8RAjkAAKCvgE02gnbkbYtztdbnetenbNUBnQCfddRe nKvbrsKJacezdD1iav5I3lM= =B2WM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Aug 29 22:18:57 2002 From: linux at bmetzler.org (Brent Metzler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with makedisk on Slack 8.1 CD In-Reply-To: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1030675797.732.3.camel@client10> On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 20:17, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Okay, maybe I'm overlooking something but here's what I'm running into: > > root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# ./makedisk adaptec.s/ adaptec.s/bzImage > su: ./makedisk: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied > > Here's the permissions on the file: > > root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# ls -al makedisk > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5572 May 31 04:54 makedisk* > > Here's what the fstab says: > > root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# grep cdrom /etc/fstab > /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,rx 0 0 > > > Am I overlooking something stupidly simple? I've got a box that won't boot from cd-rom, and it's all scsi drives/cdrom with an adaptec card that I'm trying to load. > > Is it likely you don't have the sh shell installed? on my slackware box: dns:~$ which sh /bin/sh That error seems to indicate to me that sh actually isn't there on your box. Use `which` to see if it's someplace else. Otherwise, I understand that sh is just a symlink to bash: dns:~$ ls -l /bin/sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Dec 4 2001 /bin/sh -> bash* -- Brent Metzler | AIM: bmetzl1999 | http://www.bmetzler.org brent@bmetzler.org | Y! : bmetzl1999 | 612-270-0119 | ICQ: 43952639 | MSN: passport@bmetzler.org From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 22:27:02 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with makedisk on Slack 8.1 CD In-Reply-To: <20020829205810.7f5dc171.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020829205810.7f5dc171.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020829220109.0f24843a.sfertch@real-time.com> It appears to be a permissions issue with my cdrom. I copied it over to my home directory, and I was able to make a boot disk. Anyone have any ideas why my permissions are working properly? drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Jun 19 09:31 cdrom/ /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,rx 0 0 Shawn On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0500 Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:51:51 -0500 (CDT) > Gerry wrote: > > > > > I would look not at the permissions of makedisk (which was > > interpreted as an executable) but at the permissions of /bin/sh and > > at the first line of makedisk. > > > > shawnf@fjorn:~$ ls -al /bin/sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 23 13:15 /bin/sh -> > bash* shawnf@fjorn:~$ ls -al /bin/bash > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 532960 Feb 22 2002 /bin/bash* > shawnf@fjorn:~$ > > first lines of makedisk: > VERSION="(v. 8.1.0)" > # This is reasonable for 1.44MB floppies > SIZELIMIT=1375 > if [ "$1" = "" -o "$2" = "" -o ! -r "$2" ]; then > echo > echo "Usage: makedisk name kernel" > echo "Example: ./makedisk bare.i bare.i/vmlinuz" > echo "Disk is made in /dev/fd0. Target disk must be formatted." > echo > exit 1 > DISKNAME=$1 > KERNEL=$2 > CWD=`pwd` > MOUNT=/tmp/mnt-$$ > if [ ! -d $MOUNT ]; then > mkdir -p $MOUNT > DELETE_MOUNT=true > if [ "`du -s $2 | cut -f 1`" -gt "$SIZELIMIT" ]; then > echo "WARNING: kernel $2 is size `du -s $2 | cut -f 1`K, exceeds > ${SIZELIMIT}K > ." > echo " SKIPPING!" > sleep 2 > > > Floppy space: > /dev/fd0 1423 0 1423 0% /floppy > > Everything seems to be in order... > From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Aug 29 22:50:03 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with makedisk on Slack 8.1 CD In-Reply-To: <20020829220109.0f24843a.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 10:01:09PM -0500 References: <20020829201737.584bbe58.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020829205810.7f5dc171.sfertch@real-time.com> <20020829220109.0f24843a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020829223811.A32709@okane.localnet> I think you also need the 'exec' option in /etc/fstab to run binaries from the cdrom; check the mount(8) man page. I believe I ran into this sometime ago trying to run an installer program for applixware or something like that. Shawn Fertch wrote: > It appears to be a permissions issue with my cdrom. I copied it over to > my home directory, and I was able to make a boot disk. Anyone have any > ideas why my permissions are working properly? > > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Jun 19 09:31 cdrom/ > > /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,rx 0 0 > > Shawn > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0500 > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:51:51 -0500 (CDT) > > Gerry wrote: > > > > > > > > I would look not at the permissions of makedisk (which was > > > interpreted as an executable) but at the permissions of /bin/sh and > > > at the first line of makedisk. > > > > > > > shawnf@fjorn:~$ ls -al /bin/sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 23 13:15 /bin/sh -> > > bash* shawnf@fjorn:~$ ls -al /bin/bash > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 532960 Feb 22 2002 /bin/bash* > > shawnf@fjorn:~$ > > > > first lines of makedisk: > > VERSION="(v. 8.1.0)" > > # This is reasonable for 1.44MB floppies > > SIZELIMIT=1375 > > if [ "$1" = "" -o "$2" = "" -o ! -r "$2" ]; then > > echo > > echo "Usage: makedisk name kernel" > > echo "Example: ./makedisk bare.i bare.i/vmlinuz" > > echo "Disk is made in /dev/fd0. Target disk must be formatted." > > echo > > exit 1 > > DISKNAME=$1 > > KERNEL=$2 > > CWD=`pwd` > > MOUNT=/tmp/mnt-$$ > > if [ ! -d $MOUNT ]; then > > mkdir -p $MOUNT > > DELETE_MOUNT=true > > if [ "`du -s $2 | cut -f 1`" -gt "$SIZELIMIT" ]; then > > echo "WARNING: kernel $2 is size `du -s $2 | cut -f 1`K, exceeds > > ${SIZELIMIT}K > > ." > > echo " SKIPPING!" > > sleep 2 > > > > > > Floppy space: > > /dev/fd0 1423 0 1423 0% /floppy > > > > Everything seems to be in order... > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 29 22:50:32 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020829142429.GA13877@sadalbari> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> <20020829142429.GA13877@sadalbari> Message-ID: <1030678853.9078.41.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 09:24, Lorry wrote: > I found out about TCLUG from a flyer in EE/CS. I was walking to class and > I saw a picture of Tux on the bulletin board outside and it caught my eye. > I haven't seen any such flyers since then. I put up some flyers a few years ago, some in the dorms and a few at EE/CS. Easy enough to do. Tux images are easy to find, and all you really have to do is say "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" and give a URL, but other information isn't hard to add.. Don't expect any flyers to be visible for very long, though. Things get pasted up every day around campus, so it might be a good idea to put up more after a week or something.. I like the idea of getting something in the Daily, though it'd be cool to actually get a story.. I kind of wish the Daily had a stronger technology bent, but I'm heavily biased. However, they seem to do a lot of stories on medical research, as if saving lives was more worthwhile than computing ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Stupid! You so stupid! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe I ran into > this sometime ago trying to run an installer program for applixware or > something like that. > That took care of the execute issue from cdrom. Here's what I get now: root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# df -k Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdc3 1542188 253216 1288972 17% / /dev/hdc5 5638600 1519856 4118744 27% /usr /dev/hdc6 1542156 49100 1493056 4% /var /dev/hdc7 2048188 238804 1809384 12% /home /dev/hdc8 8192860 32840 8160020 1% /data /dev/hdc1 20472816 8966704 11506112 44% /winme /dev/cdrom 673248 673248 0 100% /cdrom /dev/fd0 1423 0 1423 0% /floppy root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# ./makedisk adaptec.s adaptec.s/bzImage Making adaptec.s bootdisk from kernel image adaptec.s/bzImage. Formatting the target disk. Mounting the target disk on /tmp/mnt-1603. Copying files over (ignore permission errors). 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 1+0 records in 1+0 records out Rdeving -R /tmp/mnt-1603/vmlinuz 0 Rdeving rdev -r /tmp/mnt-1603/vmlinuz 49152 Rdeving -v /tmp/mnt-1603/vmlinuz -v Rdeving /tmp/mnt-1603/vmlinuz /dev/fd0 Installing SYSLINUX. Adding extra files (hope they fit :) Bootdisk adaptec.s created. root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# df -k Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdc3 1542188 254656 1287532 17% / /dev/hdc5 5638600 1519856 4118744 27% /usr /dev/hdc6 1542156 49100 1493056 4% /var /dev/hdc7 2048188 238804 1809384 12% /home /dev/hdc8 8192860 32840 8160020 1% /data /dev/hdc1 20472816 8966704 11506112 44% /winme /dev/cdrom 673248 673248 0 100% /cdrom /dev/fd0 1423 0 1423 0% /floppy root@fjorn:/cdrom/kernels# I don't recall having this big of a problem with Slack 8.0 cd's..... -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Aug 29 23:31:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security consultant (not just linux) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030678221.3880.3.camel@dedannshae> On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 09:53, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > consultants aren't helpful, they'll only tell you the same thing that > > any good admin has been telling you since he/she was hired. the > > consultant is usually ignored for the same reason the admin has been > > ignored: the users are too lazy. > > Actually, I've found the opposite to be true - companies will often listen > to the words of a (trusted) consultant, as they are paying the consultant > $120+/hr, so they "must" know what they are talking about. > > So, even though I often repeat the words of admins at companies, many > times they listen to me. I've found the same thing. And the admins I've worked with have appreciated having me (or my company) come in, because they (and their recommendations) are vindicated to management. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then what I'd like to do is setup a print server on an internal box to help take the printing load off of the various machines. Small steps first. -- Shawn sfertch@real-time.com http://www.mn-ttkd.org From rudie at rudie.net Thu Aug 29 23:52:39 2002 From: rudie at rudie.net (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020829090637.6e4eba2e.rudie@rudie.net> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:39:55 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new > incoming freshmen know about tclug? Plaster IT row and the Csci bldg with TCLUG flyers. Hit every building and kiosk. > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? RadioK.org.. pay for advertisement. It's fairly cheap, or get accepted as a legitimate student organization and advertise on the Washington avenue pedestrian bridge (ala top level) > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to donate > some cash to get the word out. > > Any CSci orientation thingie? Fron the orientations I have been to, it seems that corporate or non-profit advertisements were not present at any level. Just the U's own crap they forcefeed you. > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. Good ol-fashioned flyering of all the important buildings such as Vincent, Tate, EE/Csci, Wilson library, etc.. along IT row oughta do the trick! > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 30 00:52:02 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020829090637.6e4eba2e.rudie@rudie.net> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> <20020829090637.6e4eba2e.rudie@rudie.net> Message-ID: <1030685660.9080.174.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 22:06, K Hinze wrote: > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > RadioK.org.. pay for advertisement. It's fairly cheap, [...] That's not a bad idea, though I must say that I've been going to the U since 1997, and I've only recently started listening to Radio K after I got a new radio that has a moderately decent tuner (and I still don't listen all that often, since all of the electronics, fans, and other equipment in my place interfere a lot..) I'd probably listen to the streams from their website more often, though I can't for the life of me figure out why an AM station feels the need to netcast in stereo... Maybe they should switch to Vorbis, which I think sounds decent in stereo at 56kbit/s. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Radioactive halibut is good / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for fission chips. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I have a device that has some neat console features, but it requires a serial connection. I'd like to set up something so I can admin it from boxen in various locations. What I would do if I had the option is set up a linux box with minicom and access it through SSH. I want to find a hardware component that would replace the need for the linux box. I guess what I'm thinking of would be similar to a print server or a DSL router, a small box with an ethernet port and a serial port that just sits quietly and requires no administration. Ids there such a thing? -Brian From klinej at msoe.edu Fri Aug 30 16:30:18 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet to serial hardware? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030741834.331.17.camel@tranquility> Cyclades makes little linux powered device servers. On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 15:43, Brian wrote: > I have a device that has some neat console features, but it requires a > serial connection. I'd like to set up something so I can admin it from > boxen in various locations. What I would do if I had the option is set up > a linux box with minicom and access it through SSH. I want to find a > hardware component that would replace the need for the linux box. I guess > what I'm thinking of would be similar to a print server or a DSL router, a > small box with an ethernet port and a serial port that just sits quietly > and requires no administration. Ids there such a thing? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Fri Aug 30 16:59:19 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: <200208300114.09048.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: *parses message* ...and this relates even peripherally to this list... how? -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2224395.stm > > I have an amazing coincidence to report: the Swedish hijacker is an Arab, > travelling to an Islamic conference, in Birmingham, England. > > Who wudda thunk it? > > -- > Under the existing [Arab] regimes, the fight against corruption is > like a fighting capitalism in the U.S. or Catholicism in the Vatican. > -- Dr. Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Effendi > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Aug 30 17:38:13 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Michael Vieths wrote: > *parses message* > ...and this relates even peripherally to this list... how? the ummm... scan-thingie they ummm... they use at airports, was ... ...able to boot hte linux kernel, yes thats it and this experimental scanner-type-thingie was used to find the weapon on the idiot^H^H^H^H^Hsuspect. Munir Nassar From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 30 21:38:36 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet to serial hardware? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 03:43:11PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020830200120.U2073@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 03:43:11PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I have a device that has some neat console features, but it requires a > serial connection. I'd like to set up something so I can admin it from > boxen in various locations. What I would do if I had the option is set up > a linux box with minicom and access it through SSH. I want to find a > hardware component that would replace the need for the linux box. I guess > what I'm thinking of would be similar to a print server or a DSL router, a > small box with an ethernet port and a serial port that just sits quietly > and requires no administration. Ids there such a thing? If you truely need only ethernet to serial, for single devices, there are some excellent little devices out there that allow you to telnet to them (i know.. maybe they support ssh now), I had to use some at one point and they worked pretty well. [1] If you need to control a larger amount of units, look into buying an old portmaster 2e with 10, 20, or 30 ports. [1] single serial port: http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?sku=98810-6&dept_id=602 4 port: http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?sku=98751-2&dept_id=602 8 port: http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?sku=98750-5&dept_id=602 > > -Brian > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Aug 30 22:34:08 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: (Michael Vieths's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:07:09 -0500 (CDT)") References: Message-ID: Michael Vieths writes: > *parses message* > ...and this relates even peripherally to this list... how? "Err, uh, well, oops," he explained, unaware that he'd posted the message to the list, although he manifestly did. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Visi.com > > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2224395.stm >> >> I have an amazing coincidence to report: the Swedish hijacker is an Arab, >> travelling to an Islamic conference, in Birmingham, England. >> >> Who wudda thunk it? >> >> -- >> Under the existing [Arab] regimes, the fight against corruption is >> like a fighting capitalism in the U.S. or Catholicism in the Vatican. >> -- Dr. Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Effendi >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- But it is impossible not to notice that, in some of the poorest parts of the world, most people, most of the time, appear to be happier than we are. In southern Ethiopia, for example, the poorest half of the poorest nation on earth, the streets and fields crackle with laughter. In homes constructed from packing cases and palm leaves, people engage more freely, smile more often, express more affection than we do behind our double glazing, surrounded by remote controls. -- George Monblot The life expectancy in Nigeria is 46 years. -- James Lileks, responding to George Monblot From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Aug 30 22:34:38 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: (Munir Nassar's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:14:14 -0500 (CDT)") References: Message-ID: Munir Nassar writes: > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Michael Vieths wrote: > >> *parses message* >> ...and this relates even peripherally to this list... how? > > the ummm... scan-thingie they ummm... they use at airports, was > ... ...able to boot hte linux kernel, yes thats it > > and this experimental scanner-type-thingie was used to find the weapon > on the idiot^H^H^H^H^Hsuspect. > > Munir Nassar > That's a much more interesting reason than the real one, alas. And, alas, I'm in enough agreement with Bruce Schneier on such matters that I'm sure that terrorism -- or even the subset problem of airport security -- isn't going to be solved with software, not even open source software. About the only way Linux is going to foil a hijacking is if it's on the laptop that somebody clubs the next would-be-Shoeabomber with . . . . . . and for that, I think even the most devout Linux advocates agree, even WinME is just as good. -- Years ago, airlines used to offer "smoking" and "non-smoking" flights. It would be interesting to see what would happen if airlines began offering "armed" and "unarmed flights." Which planes do you think that would-be hijackers would prefer to take? -- Dave Kopel From veldy at veldy.net Sat Aug 31 02:24:40 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba References: Message-ID: <009701c24f6f$96ce1e90$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Here is a simple config that should do the trick -- this sets up an open share called "public" in the WORKGROUP workgroup. # begin smb.conf # Global parameters [global] workgroup = WORKGROUP server string = Linux File Server security = SHARE map to guest = Bad Password null passwords = Yes create mask = 0775 directory mask = 0775 hosts allow = 10.0.0. 127. [public] path = /storage/public read only = No guest ok = Yes # end smb.conf Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Painfully insecure Samba > In Win9x, it's possible to set up a read/write share with no password. If > you're on the same LAN, you automatically have full rights to that > share. No questions asked. > > I want to do the same on samba, but I can't find any docs on how to do > it. Any ideas on where I can find info on this? > > Yes, I have a legit reason. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Aug 31 02:42:44 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS configuration walkthrough for HP DeskJet 960c with JetDirect (was: [TCLUG] Cups setup) In-Reply-To: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Sorry. Changed the subject line to A) reflect the content of this email and B) give the search engines some food. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm working on getting a printer going on one of my Slackware systems > and am looking at cups as well. I've skimmed through a couple of > printer how-tos, but they only mention cups in passing. Any ideas on > where I can find a good step-by-step directions on how to set it up? > > I'm using an HP-Deskjet 960c that's connected to an HP-JetDirect 170x box. What'dya know, I've got one of those on the other side of the office. I haven't added it to this machine (which uses cups) yet. What a perfect opportunity. I'm going to assume that you can get cups installed, and cupsd running. That's either the easy part (if you're installing from a package) or possibly the hard part (if from source). I'm using cups 1.1.10. Evidently 1.1.15 is current. *shrug* Fire up a web browser and go to http://localhost:631 . (cupsd should be listening on that.) Click on "Manage Printers". On the next screen there should be a button that says "Add Printer". Click that. You'll be prompted for a login & password. As sickening as it might be, log in as root. (If someone can sniff the root password on a localhost connection, you've already got a problem.) Enter a printer name (no spaces), the location (not too significant if it's right next to you, but mine is three rooms away), and a description for the printer. The next screen will ask you for the connection method. In your case, you'll want to choose "AppSocket/HP JetDirect". On the next screen, use "socket://:9100". (For me, the port number is 9101, but that's because the printer is plugged into the second port on a 3-port JetDirect.) The next screen has manufacturers. HP, obviously. Next, "HP DeskJet Series." I'm not sure why, but "HP New DeskJet Series" isn't working for me. That might be specific to 1.1.10, though. You should then see a screen saying "Printer has been added successfully." Click on the name, and you can print a test page, to be sure. From cgahlon at citilink.com Sat Aug 31 05:05:38 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cups setup In-Reply-To: <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3D6D3958.5040702@attbi.com> <200208282214.03901.jack@jacku.com> <20020829053224.49973bf2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208291049.40327.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Thursday 29 August 2002 05:32 am, Shawn Fertch wrote: >Any ideas on where I can find a good step-by-step directions on how to set it >up? Lots of help available here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ It's not step by step but once you install cups the documentation can be useful: http://127.0.0.1:631/documentation.html or online here: http://www.cups.org/documentation.html -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From dante at plethora.net Sat Aug 31 06:20:21 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Enterprise" level virus scanning under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> Message-ID: Any active signature-based virus scanner will require extensive CPU/Memory for that kind of load. I'd go with a procmail filter to catch KLEZ-like executable attachment worms and a profile scanner behind that to pick up attacks in the message body and content attachments. This relieves some of the load on the scanner since you've already caught the easy ones. YMMV. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? > > > From alcyone at slava.net Sat Aug 31 10:49:23 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020831151529.GA2636@sadalbari> I just got an email from the school reminding me about the bridge painting they do every semester. Organizations have to sign up ahead of time and registration is closed, but I think they let individuals paint stuff too on a first come first serve basis. I have a friend that painted something last year but I've never done it, so if anyone knows more about this feel free to chime in. I'm pretty sure you can paint anything you want since I've seen such useful panels as "Everybody poops" in the past. If you don't know what I'm talking about, there's a pedestrian bridge over the Washington Ave. bridge to get between the East and West Banks of campus. There's a covered part of the bridge, and on the inside of that there are lots of things painted on each panel - some of it informing you of various things to do on campus, some telling you which dorm or frat is the best ever, and so forth... If someone knows more about this than I do and it's possible for a few of us to meet up on the bridge painting day for this semester and maybe just paint a tux and the URL? Paint and brushes are provided there. If we needed to register ahead of time, maybe we could do it next semester at least. Lorry What a fine Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:39:55PM -0500 it was when Bob Tanner said: > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new incoming > freshmen know about tclug? From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Aug 31 11:46:04 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? In-Reply-To: <20020831151529.GA2636@sadalbari> References: <20020828223955.P3905@real-time.com> <20020831151529.GA2636@sadalbari> Message-ID: <20020831162328.GA9913@tcopensys.com> Wow! this sounds like a great idea. I will help out with this project. I am not the best painter in the world but I can do whatever need be done. I always have a picture of Tux with me wherever I go ;) we can use him as a reference. /me has a tattoo of Tux... On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 10:15:29AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >I just got an email from the school reminding me about the bridge painting >they do every semester. Organizations have to sign up ahead of time and >registration is closed, but I think they let individuals paint stuff too on >a first come first serve basis. I have a friend that painted something >last year but I've never done it, so if anyone knows more about this feel >free to chime in. I'm pretty sure you can paint anything you want since >I've seen such useful panels as "Everybody poops" in the past. >If you don't know what I'm talking about, there's a pedestrian bridge over >the Washington Ave. bridge to get between the East and West Banks of >campus. There's a covered part of the bridge, and on the inside of that >there are lots of things painted on each panel - some of it informing you >of various things to do on campus, some telling you which dorm or frat is >the best ever, and so forth... >If someone knows more about this than I do and it's possible for a few of >us to meet up on the bridge painting day for this semester and maybe just >paint a tux and the URL? Paint and brushes are provided there. If we >needed to register ahead of time, maybe we could do it next semester at least. > >Lorry > >What a fine Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:39:55PM -0500 it was when Bob Tanner said: >> Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the new incoming >> freshmen know about tclug? >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020827130259.E28440@okane.localnet>; from scot@thinkunix.net on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:02:59PM -0500 References: <20020827122446.B18042@real-time.com> <20020827130259.E28440@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20020827132129.C18042@real-time.com> Quoting Scot Jenkins (scot@thinkunix.net): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone know of any "enterprise" level virus scanners for linux? > > > > Something that will work for thousands of mailboxes? > > we just implemented Virge/Sophie here at work; we have about 400 > mailboxes, most folks using windows clients with sendmail on linux for > the mailserver. so far this seems to be working ok, although I'm not > the mailserver admin so I can't comment on installation and how well > it's actually working (could put you in touch with that person if > interested). > > http://www.vanja.com/tools/ 400 < 1000 :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 31 23:04:39 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:06 2005 Subject: ntop on RH7.3 (was: RE: [TCLUG] network monitor tool) Message-ID: <01C25140.4AD009E0@GALILEO> Hmmm. That's interesting, ntop is no longer in RH after 7.2. Anyone know why? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Kline [SMTP:list@slushpupie.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network monitor tool On Monday 26 August 2002 9:36 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a tech on one of our LAN's asking me for a software tool to monitor > his network. He feels something is awry, and is asking me to help him find > areas of congestion, services running, and bandwidth used. Is there a tool > with a GUI for this? Take a look at ntop or netsaint. Kinda depends on what you want... 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In-Reply-To: <01C25140.4AD009E0@GALILEO> References: <01C25140.4AD009E0@GALILEO> Message-ID: <02083123205100.13646@nancy> Just browsing freshmeat and noticed this guy hit a 1.0 http://jical.sourceforge.net Looks like a nifty app for people running Evolution and needing to share calendar info with Outlook users. Kelly Black KB0GBJ