Naturally, When you DO try to read one of these disks and it does not work - take it back; it's defective. I buy a goodly number of "non-protected" disks - they already make a bundle off me. Making a copy for personal use is fair-use by current standards. The primary reason they dropped this sort of thing in prior trials is because of high return rates. *I* would make a hobby out of buying a disk each night from different music stores on the way home and taking them back the next day. Even with the fat profit margins on each disk, the record company looses money on each disk returned. Just a simple consumer activist protest... But one of the few actual things a record company actually listens to (the bottom line) Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Lystig Fritchie" <fritchie at mr.net> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection >>>>> "pm" == phil <phil at rephil.org> writes: >> Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD >> standards? pm> Who can say, since they don't say how it works. In fact, they say pm> they won't say, which just leaves one to wonder if it does yet. I recall very few details of one of the implementations, but it was described in detail on Slashdot approx. 1 month ago. That scheme was putting intentional errors into one (?) of the CRCs. Reading the straight digital gave the drive fits because the CRCs didn't match the data. Most/many/debatable? numbers of analog-only players go through recovery techniques, thinking the error was a scratch or smudge. >> Yes, it takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if >> you're ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the >> difference if it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more >> audio expertise care to comment? Er, ripping at 4x speed isn't possible. That inconvenience seems to be what The Industry wants? {shrug} Many comments in the same Slashdot article said that "cdparanoia", with its jitter- and error-correction techniques, has no problem creating click-and-pop-free WAV files from these wacko discs: it just can't do it at full drive speed. Is the average speed faster than 1x? I dunno, I don't have any such wacko discs to try.... -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie Professional Governing: Is It Faked? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list