On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:08:29PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > On Friday 07 September 2001 10:33, you wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:43:53PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > > I really like how Borland rebuilt C++ to make it more readable. > > > > You don't remember Turbo Pascal, do you? All Delphi's Object Pascal is > > is Turbo Pascal with improved classes and exceptions. C++ has nothing > > to do with it. Also remember that Delphi came before C++ Builder. > > Not only do I remember Turbo Pascal, I remember Alice. 8^) > True Delphi came before C++ Builder, but Turbo C++ was out long before > Delphi. ;-) While that may be true, it's irrelevant. The real strength of Delphi was VCL, which Turbo C++ didn't have. And since you brought it up, I did some digging[1]. Turbo Pascal 3.0 1985 Turbo C 1.0 1987 Turbo C++ 1.0 1990 Delphi 1.0 1995 C++ Builder 1.0 1997 I don't remember Alice. I started with Turbo Pascal 5.5, which probably was the best place I could have started. This is, of course, after excluding any version of BASIC. :) Nate [1] http://www.emsps.com/oldtools/borver.htm