Here at work, where I'm forced to use windoze, I've made a startling discovery. On Windows98 when you replace the shell=explorer.exe line with shell=command.com in the system.ini, you get that warm fuzzy xinit feeling on startup. Something else profound.. windoze is actually STABLE without Explorer. It's faster and crashed programs are reporting "I'm sorry, I just can't run anymore, would you please shut me down?" instead of "OH MY GOD!!! the world has ended! Active desktop, the MOST IMPORTANT tool in Windows, has CRASHED!!! Please restart NOW or face consequences unforeseen!". So, my question. Are there any window managers available for windoze to replace explorer? I'm currently running Powerdesk from Ontrack and it does a decent job, but a start menu would be kinda nice. I'm starting to get this funny illusion that windoze is *MY* opersting system now and I want to keep it that way. :-) -Brian