I must agree with you Tim. I think that would make good ammunition for argument. I'll think on it and try to come up with some contribution, but would you also share your letter with the group (when it is done, of course)? I ask this because I would like to use some of your arguments when communicating with my representatives if I find them compelling. Thank you, Troy >>> wilson at visi.com 10/05/01 08:07AM >>> It occurs to me that one of the best ways to argue against the DMCA (too late, I know) and SSSCA is to point out past innovations that would have been illegal under these laws. I'm wondering if others on the list would have some items to suggest.