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Please elaborate.  :)


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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
> >    2. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jay Kline)
> >    3. dpkg override (Timothy Wilson)
> >    4. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Florin Iucha)
> >    5. Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (andy at theasis.com)
> >    6. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jack Ungerleider)
> >    7. RE: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (James Spinti)
> >    8. Re: dpkg override (Dave Sherohman)
> >    9. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
> >   10. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
> >   11. Debian install (Shawn)
> >   12. Re: dpkg override (Jim Crumley)
> >   13. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz)
> >   14. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz)
> >   15. Backgrounding processes? (Simeon Johnston)
> >   16. Re: dpkg override (Timothy Wilson)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:14:49 -0600
> > Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 
> 2.4.13.  
> > All
> of
> > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option.  It 
> > works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new 
> > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> >
> > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and 
> also tried 
> > it
> as
> > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs 
> > option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that 
> doesn't work 
> > either.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > From: Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:50 -0600
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > It will most certainly not work as a module if all your 
> partitions are 
> > reiserfs.  It needs to be able to read the filesystem the 
> modules are
> located
> > on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be 
> > your
> root
> > partition (and where your modules should be).  Of course, there are 
> > always exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it 
> > works.
> >
> > As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the 
> same trouble 
> > in 2.4.11+.  I have not been able to get a single build on 
> my system 
> > to boot. So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus 
> far. I have 
> > heard a few
> other
> > strange things with the newer kernels anyway.
> >
> > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a 
> > development branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems 
> more bugs have 
> > poped up.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote:
> > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel 
> to 2.4.13.  
> > > All
> of
> > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails 
> option.  It
> works
> > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my 
> new kernel, I 
> > > get
> a
> > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> > >
> > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also 
> > > tried it
> as
> > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs
> option.
> > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work 
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - 
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, 
> > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > --
> > Jay Kline
> > list at slushpupie.com
> > http://www.slushpupie.com
> > --
> > question = ( to ) ? be : ! be;
> > -- Wm. Shakespeare
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:27 -0600 (CST)
> > From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com>
> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> > Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade
> produced
> > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled 
> > (while keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might 
> add), but the 
> > CGI
> scripts
> > are gone. As a result, requests for 
> > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because 
> > there are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> >
> > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> >
> > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck.
> >
> > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to 
> > delete my existing lists.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> > Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.com
> > W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> > wilson at visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:14:22 -0600
> > From: "Florin Iucha" <florin at iucha.net>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> >
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> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel 
> to 2.4.13.  
> > > All
> =
> > of
> > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails 
> option.  It
> works
> > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my 
> new kernel, I 
> > > get
> a
> > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> > >=20
> > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also 
> > >tried it
> =
> > as
> > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs
> option.
> > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work 
> > >either. =20  Does anyone have a clue why this would be 
> happening? =20
> >
> > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the 
> > kernel, not as a module.
> >
> > florin
> >
> > --=20
> >
> > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
> >
> > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6  03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4
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> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:05:37 -0600 (CST)
> > From: <andy at theasis.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> >
> > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to 
> dump, due to 
> > space considerations. These include all of years 1997 
> through 2000, as 
> > well as April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996.
> >
> > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG.
> >
> > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in 
> creating & 
> > maintaining one.
> >
> > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via 
> > private email (NOT the list), BUT...
> >
> >  - I'd really like to part with all at once.
> >  - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years.
> >  - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location).
> >
> > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of 
> December 
> > will be recycled.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 6
> > From: Jack Ungerleider <jack at jacku.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:38:34 -0600
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote:
> > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a 
> > > development branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs 
> > > have poped up.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> >
> > Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jack Ungerleider
> > jack at jacku.com
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dart.dartdist.com>
> > To: "Tclug-List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:45:49 -0600
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > I have space here at work where I could create a library.  Only 
> > problem is that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten 
> path.  My own 
> > library is a
> bit
> > thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well.   
> I do have the
> > electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library 
> > (DNS & Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet 
> > Security and Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & 
> awk, Korn 
> > shell and
> Learning
> > Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the 
> > library.
> >
> > If someone is willing to do the programming of a web 
> interface and set 
> > up the database, I would be willing to handle the 
> mailing/retrieving 
> > of
> loaned
> > items.  Besides, that way I could peruse more books without 
> having to 
> > buy them :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > James Spinti
> > jspinti at dartdist.com
> > 952-368-3278 x396
> > fax 952-368-3255
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org 
> > [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy at theasis.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
> >
> >
> >
> > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to 
> dump, due to 
> > space considerations. These include all of years 1997 
> through 2000, as 
> > well as April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996.
> >
> > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG.
> >
> > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in 
> creating & 
> > maintaining one.
> >
> > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via 
> > private email (NOT the list), BUT...
> >
> >  - I'd really like to part with all at once.
> >  - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years.
> >  - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location).
> >
> > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of 
> December 
> > will be recycled.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> Minnesota
> > http://www.mn-linux.org
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:27:07 -0600
> > From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org>
> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past 
> apt-get upgrade
> produced
> > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman 
> reinstalled
> (while
> > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), 
> but the CGI
> scripts
> > > are gone. As a result, requests for 
> > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go 
> unanswered because
> there
> > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> > >
> > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> >
> > Have you tried
> >
> > apt-get install --reinstall mailman
> >
> > ?
> >
> > --
> > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists 
> > have already won. - reverius
> >
> > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:42:36 -0600
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the 
> > > kernel, not as a module.
> >
> > This is not true though.  That's what the initrd (Initial 
> Ramdisk) is 
> > for. The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and 
> > when the kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd 
> image (which 
> > is ext2, and
> yes
> > I have ext2 built into the kernel).  Mandrake makes reiserfs as a 
> > module, and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to 
> > boot fine with it.
> >
> > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new 
> > initrd image, I cannot boot.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > florin
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
> > >
> > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6  03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4
> > >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 10
> > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:27 -0600
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel 
> also, not 
> > as a module.  And I still have the same problem.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin at iucha.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to
> > > 2.4.13.
> > > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the
> > > notails option.
> > > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my 
> > > > new kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find 
> the root 
> > > > fs.
> > > >
> > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and
> > > also tried
> > > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload 
> > > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to 
> ext2 and that 
> > > > doesn't work either.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> > >
> > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the 
> > > kernel, not as a module.
> > >
> > > florin
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
> > >
> > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6  03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4
> > >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: Shawn <fertch at mninter.net>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:54:22 -0600
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the 
> next couple 
> > of
> days
> > on my firewall/gateway machine.  Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 
> 32MB ram.  
> > Is
> there
> > anything in particular I need to watch out for?
> >
> > I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains 
> also.  No X 
> > windows.
> >
> > I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), 
> SuSe and tried 
> > one instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install.  Just 
> looking for
> pointers,
> > pitfalls to watch out for etc.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:10:31 -0600
> > From: Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past 
> apt-get upgrade
> produced
> > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman 
> reinstalled
> (while
> > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), 
> but the CGI
> scripts
> > > are gone. As a result, requests for 
> > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go 
> unanswered because
> there
> > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> > >
> > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> > >
> > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck.
> > >
> > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to 
> > > delete
> my
> > > existing lists.
> >
> > Did you try 'dpkg  -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ?
> >
> > Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your 
> config files 
> > intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go. Of 
> > course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the 
> config files 
> > before hand.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group 
> Mailing List
> (TCLUG)
> > crumley at fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/
> > Never laugh at live dragons  |Free Dmitry Sklyarov -
> http://faircopyright.org/
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0600
> > From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote:
> > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the 
> > > kernel, not as a module.
> >
> > Not true.  You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load 
> > the module prior to mounting the root FS.  It's the same as 
> if you had 
> > your scsi driver as a module.
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0600
> > From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com>
> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel 
> to 2.4.13.  
> > > All
> of
> > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails 
> option.  It
> works
> > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my 
> new kernel, I 
> > > get
> a
> > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> > [...]
> > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> >
> > At any time were you using devfs?
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:34:51 -0600
> > From: "Simeon Johnston" <simeonuj at nssmgmt.com>
> > To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes?
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > I have been wondering about something lately and can't 
> figure it out. 
> > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I 
> don't have 
> > to sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log 
> out - log 
> > in later - find process done and everyones happy.
> >
> > How is this done?
> >
> > sim
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:37:28 -0600 (CST)
> > From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get 
> > > > upgrade
> produced
> > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman 
> > > > reinstalled
> (while
> > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the 
> > > > CGI
> scripts
> > > > are gone. As a result, requests for 
> > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered 
> > > > because
> there
> > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> > > >
> > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> > >
> > > Have you tried
> > >
> > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman
> >
> > No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
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> >
> >
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