From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Mar  1 00:02:31 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> (mike@getbent.net)
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
Message-ID: <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Mike ponders:

   I'm pondering setting up my local sendmail server as a spooler for
   someone elses domain.  I have already set myself up as a "lower"
   pref in their DNS but I'm not really sure how to go about setting
   this up in that cryptic sendmail.cf file....

You'd be better off drilling a hole in your head than using
Sendmail. (I've tried both.)

qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good
and complete documentation is at
<http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html>.


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 00:25:56 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>; from chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 06:02:31AM -0000
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <20010301002556.I30564@ringworld.org>

* Christopher Palmer <chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net> [010301 00:18]:
> qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good

And holds you down to a license even my mother knows to avoid.</rant>

I mean, at least BSD lets me distribute modified source, and binaries
built from that source.

Please, check out postfix, or use sendmail.  Don't promote software like
that when there are viable Freer alternatives.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 00:29:33 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] home.com ftp users?
In-Reply-To: <3A9DE320.7EA5C094@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:50:24PM -0600
References: <20010228214618.A3670@real-time.com> <3A9DE320.7EA5C094@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010301002932.J30564@ringworld.org>

* Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) <andyzib@ringworld.org> [010301 00:28]:
> > How many TCLUGers are home.com users?
> 
> How do you get @home service in MN?

Actually, doesn't moorhead or st. cloud have @home somewhere?


-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 02:07:01 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109556@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Use Postfix.  

I use both Postfix and qmail, but Postfix is probably what you want.  The
only reason I can possibly see a reason to use qmail is if your mailserver
is handling some crazy amount of mail, it's very fast, but you have to do a
lot of screwing around to get it working correctly.  

http://www.linuxjournal.com has an article somewhere about setting up
postfix, and also about why postfix is better than sendmail.  Postfix is
easier to configure than sendmail, and it's much more secure.

Jay 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:26 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
> 
> 
> * Christopher Palmer <chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net> [010301 00:18]:
> > qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good
> 
> And holds you down to a license even my mother knows to avoid.</rant>
> 
> I mean, at least BSD lets me distribute modified source, and binaries
> built from that source.
> 
> Please, check out postfix, or use sendmail.  Don't promote 
> software like
> that when there are viable Freer alternatives.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 02:01:13 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109555@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> As for Linux distributions, the only one that you do not want is
> Mandrake, which is acceptable only for desktop systems on private or
> heavily firewalled networks, imo.

Why is this?  I have about 5 servers running Mandrake, and I haven't had any
problems with them (except for a stupid logrotate error in 7.1).  One of the
boxes is a Mandrake 6.2 box with a current uptime of 468 days 5 hours and 8
minutes.  I also had 6 more up until last week which were serving out a
couple hundred simultaneous connections of Real Video content.  

I keep all of my stuff behind a firewall, but you bet your ass I still turn
off any services I don't need and I stay up on security updates.  A mandrake
box is no more insecure than any other distro, you just have to make sure
you don't run lots of unneeded crap.  Mandrakes Apache/Advanced Extranet/SGI
webserver is pretty sweet too. 

The mandrake boxes have been just as trouble free as my Red Hat (I've had
more trouble with Red Hat than any other distro) and Debian boxes, and WAY
more reliable than my Solaris boxes (of course, with the Sun stuff, it's
always a hardware issue).  :)

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Palmer [mailto:chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:17 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
> 
> 
> I don't have any experience with Oracle or Domino, so I can't say
> anything about those.
> 
> As for Linux distributions, the only one that you do not want is
> Mandrake, which is acceptable only for desktop systems on private or
> heavily firewalled networks, imo. All the other big ones (Red Hat,
> SuSE, Slackware, Debian) can be made to work just fine for you. These
> days I like Slackware best, but if IBM tested Domino on RHL, that
> points you to RHL.
> 
> The only thing you should question is whether or not Apache is really
> what you need. Apache is not especially fast or efficient, but it is
> featureful. Only use it if you need the features it offers (things
> like PHP). There are certain cases where a lighter-weight server like
> thttpd or mathopd will serve you better.
> 
> If Domino can serve HTTP, and you are already committed to using it,
> you may find it better to run one big server application than two.
> 
> Also, it is common to have multiple web servers in high-volume
> situations: you might have a front-end server running Apache with PHP,
> mod_perl or something similar for dynamic content, and then a second
> server serving only static files. For that static file server,
> mathopd, publicfile or thttpd will give you serious
> performance. publicfile is as fast as loading the files locally, in
> many situations (!!). It seems to defy the laws of network topology.
> 
> <http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html>
> <http://www.mathopd.org/>
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris
> www.innerfireworks.com
> 
> How can you say this is not Eden?
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From rechpj at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  1 12:12:36 2001
From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10102200616480.13830-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3A9E9114.642A19A0@earthlink.net>

Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> Eventually we're
> also talking about testing Oracle8i (or 9) with our software - does anyone
> have experience with using Oracle on linux?

Yep.
I'm an Oracle contractor and Linux bigot, what do you want to know?
I'm more than happy to answer any and all questions.

Paul Rech
rechpj@earthlink.net


> 
> Thanks,
> Liz
> 
> --
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From rechpj at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  1 12:28:00 2001
From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net>

Shame on all of you who responded.
Back when I started in UNIX (thumbs hooked in suspenders) they 
said you weren't a UNIX admin until you mastered sendmail.

I'm kidding of course.

But it does bug me a little that I've never mastered it after 12 years
as an admin.

I know it works great and powers most of the internet mail, but that
conf file.  What the hell?
And that bat book, what the hell?

Part of the fun of UNIX/Linux is mastering something cryptic but
sendmail
is over the top.

As I'm new in this group, I'll repeat that this was 
not aimed at Chris, I was just blabbing.


Paul Rech



> 
> Mike ponders:
> 
>    I'm pondering setting up my local sendmail server as a spooler for
>    someone elses domain.  I have already set myself up as a "lower"
>    pref in their DNS but I'm not really sure how to go about setting
>    this up in that cryptic sendmail.cf file....
> 
> You'd be better off drilling a hole in your head than using
> Sendmail. (I've tried both.)
> 
> qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good
> and complete documentation is at
> <http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html>.
> 
> --
> Chris
> www.innerfireworks.com
> 
> How can you say this is not Eden?
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Thu Mar  1 07:10:09 2001
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
In-Reply-To: <200103010500.f2150Gl26042@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>

> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:38:20 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Crappy Old Monitor
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> b toberman (I think?) gave me this monitor a while ago. It 
> doens't work
> but might be fixable - when you turn it on the power comes on 
> and blinks
> off after a few seconds.
> 
> It's a 15" Mitsubishi I think. Anyone want it before I toss it out?
> 
> 
> -Yaron

Because of the lead in the monitor, it is illegal and evil to
toss it out. You have to (and should) take it to a licensed
hazardous waste facility or generator.

I know Radio Shack accepts dead laptop batteries for free.
And Dragnet.org will accept a broken monitor if you give them
something that works, too.

Does anyone around here accept monitors for free?

Chris


From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 07:12:58 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
Message-ID: <20010301131258.67906.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>

Services like ireg offer web fowarding? How can this
be accomplished in linux? Make a domain file in bind
then add:
www  IN  CNAME <real:url>
to it?
Thanks for the help. I'll need to know this if I stand
a chance of switching all our servers to Linux...

Thanks:
Jonathan A. Kline

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  1 07:36:52 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
	    <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> <3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com>

I find it funnny how we are all so quick to give our opinions on our
personal preferences for things like this. I'm not saying that's bad,
but you guys need to be a little more open-minded about these types of
things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail doesn't mean it
shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system administrators
here, but maybe sendmail is a perfect tool for Mike and it's his
decision to make. We're just hear to give him the facts. I'd appreciate
if we'd stop saying "Don't use this and don't use that" and instead say
things like "This is good because...".

Just my $.02^H1. (I'm on a tight budget)

Clay


Paul Rech wrote:
> 
> Shame on all of you who responded.
> Back when I started in UNIX (thumbs hooked in suspenders) they
> said you weren't a UNIX admin until you mastered sendmail.
> 
> I'm kidding of course.
> 
> But it does bug me a little that I've never mastered it after 12 years
> as an admin.
> 
> I know it works great and powers most of the internet mail, but that
> conf file.  What the hell?
> And that bat book, what the hell?
> 
> Part of the fun of UNIX/Linux is mastering something cryptic but
> sendmail
> is over the top.
> 
> As I'm new in this group, I'll repeat that this was
> not aimed at Chris, I was just blabbing.
> 
> Paul Rech
> 
> >
> > Mike ponders:
> >
> >    I'm pondering setting up my local sendmail server as a spooler for
> >    someone elses domain.  I have already set myself up as a "lower"
> >    pref in their DNS but I'm not really sure how to go about setting
> >    this up in that cryptic sendmail.cf file....
> >
> > You'd be better off drilling a hole in your head than using
> > Sendmail. (I've tried both.)
> >
> > qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good
> > and complete documentation is at
> > <http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html>.
> >

From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  1 09:09:37 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OpenMail dead
Message-ID: <3A9E6631.3759A743@fandre.com>

It looks like OpenMail is going to be history soon. I heard some insider
info that HP switched from using it internally to Exchange late last
year due to pressure from the bully from Redmond. It's a shame. I'm
hoping they open-source it, but I'm not holding my breath.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/01/1338247&mode=thread

From andy at theasis.com  Thu Mar  1 08:25:44 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
In-Reply-To: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103010824060.12222-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Does anyone around here accept monitors for free?

I accept fully-functional, high-quality, large (17" or greater) CRT
monitors, as well as LCD flat panel displays of any standard size at no
cost to you.  In many cases, I'll even arrange to come get it.

Andy

> 
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Thu Mar  1 08:27:32 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
References: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <004601c0a25b$c2e7f900$eaaf7a81@doug>

You can recycle old monitors at Material Processing Center (MPC) in Eagan.
The cost is $10.00 per monitor.  They will also take any old computer stuff
for free.  The have a store there with tons of hardware, and allot of Sun
stuff ;)

Here is the info:

      MPC Surplus
      (651) 681-7366
      2805 West Service Rd EAGAN MN 55121-1222

      Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schumann" <cschumann@twp-llc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:10 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor


> > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:38:20 -0600 (CST)
> > From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Crappy Old Monitor
> >
> >   Hi,
> >
> > b toberman (I think?) gave me this monitor a while ago. It
> > doens't work
> > but might be fixable - when you turn it on the power comes on
> > and blinks
> > off after a few seconds.
> >
> > It's a 15" Mitsubishi I think. Anyone want it before I toss it out?
> >
> >
> > -Yaron
>
> Because of the lead in the monitor, it is illegal and evil to
> toss it out. You have to (and should) take it to a licensed
> hazardous waste facility or generator.
>
> I know Radio Shack accepts dead laptop batteries for free.
> And Dragnet.org will accept a broken monitor if you give them
> something that works, too.
>
> Does anyone around here accept monitors for free?
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Thu Mar  1 08:50:47 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506C3@mail2.ROG.COM>

Budget Computer on Central in Columbia Heights is where I dropped off my old
monitors.  They have a pallet in back to put them on.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:10 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor


> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:38:20 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Crappy Old Monitor
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> b toberman (I think?) gave me this monitor a while ago. It 
> doens't work
> but might be fixable - when you turn it on the power comes on 
> and blinks
> off after a few seconds.
> 
> It's a 15" Mitsubishi I think. Anyone want it before I toss it out?
> 
> 
> -Yaron

Because of the lead in the monitor, it is illegal and evil to
toss it out. You have to (and should) take it to a licensed
hazardous waste facility or generator.

I know Radio Shack accepts dead laptop batteries for free.
And Dragnet.org will accept a broken monitor if you give them
something that works, too.

Does anyone around here accept monitors for free?

Chris

_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Thu Mar  1 09:32:32 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest
In-Reply-To: <3A9D63BE.5449F59E@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:46:54PM -0600
References: <20010227231227.B30564@ringworld.org> <3A9C8E34.AAF3B65E@ringworld.org> <20010228002525.C30564@ringworld.org> <20010228132403.D21988@wookimus.net> <3A9D63BE.5449F59E@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010301093232.A2033@mn.rr.com>

On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:46:54PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> > I suppose it'd be a good idea to print out my asc public key
> > with a picture, huh?  I wonder if we could come up with a way to
> > produce business cards that have our name, pic, and personal info on
> > the front, and our public block on the back.
> 
> No no no...asc key printout, birth certificate, two forms of photo id,
> social security card, dna sample, retina scan, finger print...
> 
> After that, Scott might be satisified. :)

Seriously tho -- how many are planning on doing some key signing?
I'd offer to coordinate but I don't have much free time between
now and Saturday.


From kent at structural-wood.com  Thu Mar  1 10:12:46 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OpenMail dead
References: <3A9E6631.3759A743@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3A9E74FE.55077EBB@structural-wood.com>

Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> It looks like OpenMail is going to be history soon. I heard some insider
> info that HP switched from using it internally to Exchange late last
> year due to pressure from the bully from Redmond. It's a shame. I'm
> hoping they open-source it, but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
I read this in some non-linux specific journal at about 2am this morning
and fired off a talk-back that they should open source it.

I wonder if it would be worth it to send mail to Bruce Perens (who's latest
role is 'Open Source Advocate' at HP)?

Having this open-sourced would be a major coupe...

From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Thu Mar  1 09:47:06 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
In-Reply-To: <004601c0a25b$c2e7f900$eaaf7a81@doug>; from dhanson2@uswest.net on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 08:27:32AM -0600
References: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com> <004601c0a25b$c2e7f900$eaaf7a81@doug>
Message-ID: <20010301094706.A2105@mn.rr.com>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 08:27:32AM -0600, Doug Hanson wrote:
> You can recycle old monitors at Material Processing Center (MPC) in Eagan.
> The cost is $10.00 per monitor.  They will also take any old computer stuff
> for free.

Bzzt!  Thanks for playing!  Some stuff is free, some non-monitor stuff
is non-free IIRC.  I suggest one call for prices/rates.

 -> www.materialsprocessing.com


From jason.lowe at cit-net.com  Thu Mar  1 09:26:18 2001
From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA234545F@cit001>

Hello, I am new to the list. I was wondering if anyone has tried installing
Red Hat on an older Compaq server box. I have had trouble finding drivers
for the Onboard SCSI adapter to access the CD-ROM to do the install. Any
helpful hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jason



From spitzcor at egr.msu.edu  Thu Mar  1 09:32:54 2001
From: spitzcor at egr.msu.edu (Cory Spitz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109555@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0103011022490.11655-100000@scully>


On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Why is this?  I have about 5 servers running Mandrake, and I haven't had any
> problems with them (except for a stupid logrotate error in 7.1).  One of the
> boxes is a Mandrake 6.2 box with a current uptime of 468 days 5 hours and 8
> minutes.

Nice to meet you all.  I'm new to the list and new to the area.  Anyway,
on with the show.

Uptime is overrated.  I'm pretty sure that in 468 days your kernel has
some pretty serious security flaws.  I know that you said your systems
were firewalled... just be careful.

Thanks,
-Cory Spitz


From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 10:27:46 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011026100.26103-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote:
> I'm pondering setting up my local sendmail server as a spooler for someone
> elses domain.  I have already set myself up as a "lower" pref in their DNS
> but I'm not really sure how to go about setting this up in that cryptic
> sendmail.cf file....
>
> Ideally if his mail server was down the mail for his domain would sit on my
> machines until it could be forwarded to his.   I don't really want to have to
> create a virutal user for each of his.
>
> Can anyone point me to a specific set of documents at sendmail.org or
> whatever?

All you have to do is add 'domain.com	RELAY' to /etc/mail/access, and
re-make the access file (usually by running 'make' in /etc/mail, otherwise
you can use makemap.)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Mar  1 10:56:25 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
In-Reply-To: <20010301131258.67906.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>; from jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:12:58AM -0800
References: <20010301131258.67906.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010301105625.A4490@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:12:58AM -0800, Jonathan Kline wrote:
> Services like ireg offer web fowarding? How can this
> be accomplished in linux? Make a domain file in bind
> then add:
> www  IN  CNAME <real:url>
> to it?
> Thanks for the help. I'll need to know this if I stand
> a chance of switching all our servers to Linux...

Read the DNS-HOWTO.  It will tell you everything you need to know to set up
functional zone files, as well as a good bit of the theory and practice of
how they work.

As for your actual question, I would set that up as an A record rather than a
CNAME.  (I'm not even sure that a CNAME pointing outside of the current zone
is legal.  It doesn't seem like a good idea, though.  Too easily broken.)

www IN A 111.222.333.444

-- 
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and at home. - SGI job posting
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Thu Mar  1 11:48:11 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506CA@mail2.ROG.COM>

Could someone explain what key signing is and what it is used for.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: John Joseph Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:33 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest


On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:46:54PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> > I suppose it'd be a good idea to print out my asc public key
> > with a picture, huh?  I wonder if we could come up with a way to
> > produce business cards that have our name, pic, and personal info on
> > the front, and our public block on the back.
> 
> No no no...asc key printout, birth certificate, two forms of photo id,
> social security card, dna sample, retina scan, finger print...
> 
> After that, Scott might be satisified. :)

Seriously tho -- how many are planning on doing some key signing?
I'd offer to coordinate but I don't have much free time between
now and Saturday.

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 11:51:45 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
In-Reply-To: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 07:10:09AM -0600
References: <200103010500.f2150Gl26042@sprite.real-time.com> <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <20010301115145.N30564@ringworld.org>

If your in hennepin county:

http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/environmental/facilities/facilities.html

http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/environmental/facilities/bpark.html
is where I go.  They take lots of stuff.


* Chris Schumann <cschumann@twp-llc.com> [010301 08:16]:
> > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:38:20 -0600 (CST)
> > From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Crappy Old Monitor
> > 
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > b toberman (I think?) gave me this monitor a while ago. It 
> > doens't work
> > but might be fixable - when you turn it on the power comes on 
> > and blinks
> > off after a few seconds.
> > 
> > It's a 15" Mitsubishi I think. Anyone want it before I toss it out?
> > 
> > 
> > -Yaron
> 
> Because of the lead in the monitor, it is illegal and evil to
> toss it out. You have to (and should) take it to a licensed
> hazardous waste facility or generator.
> 
> I know Radio Shack accepts dead laptop batteries for free.
> And Dragnet.org will accept a broken monitor if you give them
> something that works, too.
> 
> Does anyone around here accept monitors for free?
> 
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Mar  1 10:39:22 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com> (message from Clay Fandre on Thu,
	01 Mar 2001 07:36:52 -0600)
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
	    <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> <3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net> <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010301163922.10601.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Clay notes:

   I find it funnny how we are all so quick to give our opinions on
   our personal preferences for things like this. I'm not saying
   that's bad, but you guys need to be a little more open-minded about
   these types of things.

My take on Sendmail is not an opinion, it's a judgment based on
experience and observation. Sendmail has efficiency problems, feature
bloat, usability woes and a terrible security record. I can not, in
good conscience, recommend it to anyone, let alone to a newbie.

   Just because you guys can't understand sendmail doesn't mean it
   shouldn't be used.

Your implication is fallacious. If it were not, you would still be
wrong. If the user can't understand it, the user should not use it. I
can understand Sendmail.


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From jason.lowe at cit-net.com  Thu Mar  1 10:34:36 2001
From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Red Hat on Compaq Server
Message-ID: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA2345467@cit001>

Question for anyone who might know. I have an older Compaq server that I am
trying to install Red Hat Linux on. The problem I am having is that I can
not get it to install drivers for the SCSI adapter. It is a Compaq Prosignia
486. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jason

Sorry if I have duplicated this message I did not see the first one come
through.

From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Mar  1 10:50:27 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <20010301002556.I30564@ringworld.org> (message from Scott Dier on
	Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:25:56 -0600)
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> <20010301002556.I30564@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010301165027.10664.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Scott Dier writes:

   And holds you down to a license even my mother knows to avoid.</rant>

Yes, I'd prefer the GPL. But you can, and people do, distribute patches.

If you don't like qmail for whatever reason, I agree that Postfix is
also a great choice. I've used it and liked it.

   Don't promote software like that when there are viable Freer
   alternatives.

I appreciate and share your commitment to freedom. qmail is free
enough for my purposes, and I know it best. I feel most comfortable
recommending it for those reasons.


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Thu Mar  1 12:04:59 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
References: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com> <004601c0a25b$c2e7f900$eaaf7a81@doug> <20010301094706.A2105@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <007601c0a27a$21741760$eaaf7a81@doug>

I concur, Our company scrapped a mini-frame (they paid us the scrap rate, so
we made $14.00, woohoo), and several old PC's there for free,  but charged
for the monitors.  Most stuff they take for free...

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Joseph Trammell" <trammell@trammell.dyndns.org>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor


> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 08:27:32AM -0600, Doug Hanson wrote:
> > You can recycle old monitors at Material Processing Center (MPC) in
Eagan.
> > The cost is $10.00 per monitor.  They will also take any old computer
stuff
> > for free.
>
> Bzzt!  Thanks for playing!  Some stuff is free, some non-monitor stuff
> is non-free IIRC.  I suggest one call for prices/rates.
>
>  -> www.materialsprocessing.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 10:52:26 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 07:36:52AM -0600
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> <20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> <3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net> <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010301105226.M30564@ringworld.org>

* Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com> [010301 09:15]:
> things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail doesn't mean it
> shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system administrators

No, I just dont need an MTA that can make me toast, and serve it to me
in bed. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Mar  1 10:55:34 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109555@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
	(austad@marketwatch.com)
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109555@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010301165534.10688.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Jay Austad wonders:

   Why is this?  I have about 5 servers running Mandrake, and I
   haven't had any problems with them (except for a stupid logrotate
   error in 7.1).

I don't want to get into another distro war. :) If you are having
success with Mandrake, then that's great. In my experience, it is
buggy, poorly designed (e.g. package dependencies--iirc, gpm required
Gnome...) and has a rougher than usual (for Linux systems) security
history. They have the Bastille Linux guy as their security person
now, so maybe it will be getting better in that respect.


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 11:05:44 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OpenMail dead
In-Reply-To: <3A9E6631.3759A743@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 09:09:37AM -0600
References: <3A9E6631.3759A743@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010301110544.H10778@real-time.com>

Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com):
> It looks like OpenMail is going to be history soon. I heard some insider
> info that HP switched from using it internally to Exchange late last
> year due to pressure from the bully from Redmond. It's a shame. I'm
> hoping they open-source it, but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/01/1338247&mode=thread

The open source loves abandonware!
-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 11:40:06 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <20010301002556.I30564@ringworld.org>
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
	<20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
	<20010301002556.I30564@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <m266htqtft.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org> writes:

> * Christopher Palmer <chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net> [010301 00:18]:
> > qmail <http://www.qmail.org/> is easier, faster and safer. Very good
> 
> And holds you down to a license even my mother knows to avoid.</rant>
> 
> I mean, at least BSD lets me distribute modified source, and binaries
> built from that source.
> 
> Please, check out postfix, or use sendmail.  Don't promote software like
> that when there are viable Freer alternatives.

It's plenty free enough for practical purposes; and most of the
"unfreeness" is just Dan being fugg-headed about not telling people
things he thinks are inherently true.

Postfix isn't bad, but it's not nearly as well segmented and much
larger, which means that in the absence of other information it's
probably considerably less secure.  

Sendmail is a career in itself, not something I'd suggest anybody
approach casually.
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet      /      Welcome to the future!      /      dd-b@dd-b.net
SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar  1 12:41:02 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OpenMail dead
References: <3A9E6631.3759A743@fandre.com> <3A9E74FE.55077EBB@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3A9E97BE.B8536F4B@ltiflex.com>

Found this twice in the slashdot comments:

Of course we've been considering Open Source for this product. I can't say
anything definite at present, and if anything happens it'll take a while.
--Bruce Perens

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 13:00:38 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
In-Reply-To: <20010301105625.A4490@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011257550.31766-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> Read the DNS-HOWTO.  It will tell you everything you need to know to set up
> functional zone files, as well as a good bit of the theory and practice of
> how they work.
>
> As for your actual question, I would set that up as an A record rather than a
> CNAME.  (I'm not even sure that a CNAME pointing outside of the current zone
> is legal.  It doesn't seem like a good idea, though.  Too easily broken.)
>
> www IN A 111.222.333.444

Sure, you can CNAME outside of the zone. We do it all the time to point
our client's web sites at the web server.. that way, we don't break RFC by
using a single IP address and virtual hosting on it.

RFC says (somewhere, don't remember which one) forward and reverse have
to match, so having the following would be invalid:

web.real-time.com.	A	10.0.0.1
10.0.0.1		PTR	web.real-time.com.
www.domain1.com.	A	10.0.0.1
www.domain2.com.	A	10.0.0.1

you are SUPPOSED to do it the way he was talking about above:

web.real-time.com.      A       10.0.0.1
10.0.0.1                PTR     web.real-time.com.
www.domain1.com.	CNAME	web.real-time.com.
www.domain2.com		CNAME	web.real-time.com.

This also makes it a helluva lot easier if we ever switch the IP of our
web server.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 13:01:36 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
In-Reply-To: <20010301131258.67906.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011300510.31766-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote:
> Services like ireg offer web fowarding? How can this
> be accomplished in linux? Make a domain file in bind
> then add:
> www  IN  CNAME <real:url>
> to it?
> Thanks for the help. I'll need to know this if I stand
> a chance of switching all our servers to Linux...

Are you talking forward www.domain.com to www.hosting.com/site?

If so, you need to set up a site answering for www.domain.com on your
server machine, and then create a REDIRECT to www.hosting.com/site on the
local site..

otherwise, yes, just do as you said above.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Thu Mar  1 12:47:30 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506CA@mail2.ROG.COM>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:48:11AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506CA@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <20010301124730.A2386@mn.rr.com>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:48:11AM -0600, Miller, John wrote:
> Could someone explain what key signing is and what it is used for.

Key signing is where I prove my identity to you, and you "sign"
my key, vouching that I am who my key says I am.

It provides some validation that I am who I say I am.  Then
if someone trusts *your* key, they have some assurance that
my key is good too.  And that's how you build a web of trust.

More reading at:

  www.gnupg.org
  www.pgpi.org
  http://www.herrons.com/kb2nsx/keysign.html

J


From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Thu Mar  1 13:25:01 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9J00K0N9ZT32@mail1.supervalu.com>

I was thinking about moving to a ultra-light notebook instead of my current
beast, so I thought there might be some interest here?

Here is what it is:

Compaq 1800T
PIII 700MHz (w/ Speedstep)
18GB IBM hard drive
192
From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Thu Mar  1 13:28:18 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9J00K3PA5K32@mail1.supervalu.com>

* Argh! * Accidentally sent the last message.  Lets try this again.

I was thinking about moving to a ultra-light notebook instead of my current
beast, so I thought there might be some interest here?

Here is what it is:

Compaq 1800T
PIII 700MHz (w/ Speedstep)
18GB IBM hard drive
192MB of memory
6x DVD
15" screen (huge!)
Built-in 10/100 Intel ethernet
Ensoniq Solo-1 Sound
Winmodem (ugh)
Comes with a license for Windows 2000, although I don't know how useful that 
would
be to most on this list.  ;)
All the usual ports.

Still has over 2 years left on the warranty.

Everything in it works perfectly in Linux and FreeBSD, with the exception of 
the
Winmodem.

Any interest out there?

- Nick Reinking
From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 13:30:15 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506CA@mail2.ROG.COM>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:48:11AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506CA@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <20010301133015.P30564@ringworld.org>

* Miller, John <JMiller2@dainrauscher.com> [010301 13:19]:
> Could someone explain what key signing is and what it is used for.

http://www.mindspring.com/~aegreene/pgp/
http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~cbarnard/pgptalk/

Neat little sketch of how it works.  Cross signing helps to strengthen
the trust you can have of keys within the 'web of trust'
-- 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 13:53:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10955C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> CNAME.  (I'm not even sure that a CNAME pointing outside of 
> the current zone
> is legal. 

It's perfectly legal.    

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:56 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:12:58AM -0800, Jonathan Kline wrote:
> > Services like ireg offer web fowarding? How can this
> > be accomplished in linux? Make a domain file in bind
> > then add:
> > www  IN  CNAME <real:url>
> > to it?
> > Thanks for the help. I'll need to know this if I stand
> > a chance of switching all our servers to Linux...
> 
> Read the DNS-HOWTO.  It will tell you everything you need to 
> know to set up
> functional zone files, as well as a good bit of the theory 
> and practice of
> how they work.
> 
> As for your actual question, I would set that up as an A 
> record rather than a
> CNAME.  (I'm not even sure that a CNAME pointing outside of 
> the current zone
> is legal.  It doesn't seem like a good idea, though.  Too 
> easily broken.)
> 
> www IN A 111.222.333.444
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 14:22:53 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10955D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> > things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail 
> doesn't mean it
> > shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system 
> administrators

It's not that at all.  I administered a fairly large setup of sendmail boxes
for about 4 years, with some fairly complicated and annoying configs.  I
just think that there are some much better alternatives to it now.  I keep
thinking back on the constant updates for security problems with it, and the
m4 crap, and the fact that it has to run as root.  Evil.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
> 
> 
> * Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com> [010301 09:15]:
> > things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail 
> doesn't mean it
> > shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system 
> administrators
> 
> No, I just dont need an MTA that can make me toast, and serve it to me
> in bed. :)
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
> 

From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  1 12:12:32 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
References: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA234545F@cit001>
Message-ID: <3A9E9110.673B43F3@fandre.com>

If it's connected to the 'net you could do a network install. Is the HD
on the same SCSI adapter?

"Lowe, Jason" wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am new to the list. I was wondering if anyone has tried installing
> Red Hat on an older Compaq server box. I have had trouble finding drivers
> for the Onboard SCSI adapter to access the CD-ROM to do the install. Any
> helpful hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jason
> 
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 11:41:11 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net>
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
	<20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
	<3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <m21yshqte0.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Paul Rech <rechpj@earthlink.net> writes:

> Shame on all of you who responded.
> Back when I started in UNIX (thumbs hooked in suspenders) they 
> said you weren't a UNIX admin until you mastered sendmail.
> 
> I'm kidding of course.
> 
> But it does bug me a little that I've never mastered it after 12 years
> as an admin.
> 
> I know it works great and powers most of the internet mail, but that
> conf file.  What the hell?

That's probably not true any more.  Hard to get accurate figures, and
it also matters if you count *systems* or *mail interchanges per time
period*.  But it's *probably* not true.
-- 
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 11:42:24 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109556@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109556@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m2wva9perj.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> Use Postfix.  
> 
> I use both Postfix and qmail, but Postfix is probably what you want.  The
> only reason I can possibly see a reason to use qmail is if your mailserver
> is handling some crazy amount of mail, it's very fast, but you have to do a
> lot of screwing around to get it working correctly.  

???? I've been running qmail since something like version 0.73, but
I've always found it very easy to get in and working.  Including back
before the good documentation appeared.
-- 
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From songchen at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 11:59:41 2001
From: songchen at yahoo.com (song chen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Old monitor and 486?
In-Reply-To: <200102281835.f1SIZdl06339@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010301175941.91546.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys 

Need to get rid of some hardware in my apartment - let me know if
anybody is interested and I will bring it to the installfest.

one Zenith 14" vga moitor
one IBM 14" (maybe 15") SVGA moinitor
one Radius 20" gray scale monitor (it's MAC monitor).

One 486 PC
One PowerPC 6100

OLD Linux CDs - SUSE 5.2 - Redhat 6 - Slackware ? Walnut Creek CDs
CD-R built from ISO - Mandrake 6, 7 etc.

PC and CDs are free - I may ask only a few bucks for monitors and the
MAC - I just want to these hardware to be useful again and compensate
my back for carrying them around :-)

Song


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From BTimm at Interelate.com  Thu Mar  1 12:41:57 2001
From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A830@MSP-MAIL01.IR>

What model server... I have a compaq 2500 that I am going to attemt to do
this to...

-----Original Message-----
From: Lowe, Jason [mailto:jason.lowe@cit-net.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:26 AM
To: Tclug-List (E-mail)
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)


Hello, I am new to the list. I was wondering if anyone has tried installing
Red Hat on an older Compaq server box. I have had trouble finding drivers
for the Onboard SCSI adapter to access the CD-ROM to do the install. Any
helpful hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jason


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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 12:51:27 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA234545F@cit001>; from jason.lowe@cit-net.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 09:26:18AM -0600
References: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA234545F@cit001>
Message-ID: <20010301125127.J3670@real-time.com>

Quoting Lowe, Jason (jason.lowe@cit-net.com):
> Hello, I am new to the list. I was wondering if anyone has tried installing
> Red Hat on an older Compaq server box. I have had trouble finding drivers
> for the Onboard SCSI adapter to access the CD-ROM to do the install. Any
> helpful hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.

Yes, come to the installfest on Saturday and someone can help you out.
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Thu Mar  1 13:57:35 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
Message-ID: <sa9e5564.057@mdh-gw1>

Chris,

I think what you do have there is an opinion on Sendmail (from www.m-w.com):

Main Entry: opin?ion
Pronunciation: &-'pin-y&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin opinion-,
   opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century
   1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a
   particular matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM
   2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive
   knowledge b : a generally held view
   3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b : the
   formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons
   and principles upon which a legal decision is based
   - opin?ioned /-y&nd/ adjective

>>> chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net 03/01/01 10:39AM >>>
My take on Sendmail is not an opinion, it's a judgment based on
experience and observation.


From jurupari at geocities.com  Thu Mar  1 13:59:50 2001
From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
Message-ID: <200103012000.f21K01x28427@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

I have been waiting for the next release of RedHat to come out 
because I have an ATA100 card that I am havn't been able to get to 
work with 7.0. I also have a USB camera and scanner that I was hoping 
to get going with the 2.4.x series kernels.

Does anyone know when the next release should be expected? 

In the mean time, I thought maybe I would try one of the beta 
versions. I know that 'fisher' is one. What is Wolverine??

Thanks,
Mike




From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar  1 14:25:04 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Crappy old monitor
In-Reply-To: <KPEMJEDDALCCKIEAPDKPMEBPCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011424220.21955-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Schumann wrote:

> Because of the lead in the monitor, it is illegal and evil to
> toss it out.

Jesus, a whole thread launched from semantics.

I know this. I'll have it recycled. Amounts to me tossing it out, anyway!
(:

-Yaron

--


From wilson at visi.com  Thu Mar  1 14:45:47 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103011441540.9133-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I'm installing Debian on my brand-spankin'-new Compaq DL380.

The NIC and RAID controller aren't recognized on boot by the default Potato
CD so right after configuring the keyboard, the Debian installer asks me to
"Preload essential modules from a floppy."

Should I just make a ext2 formatted floppy and dump the *.o modules on
there? There was no indication about what form the installer expected the
modules floppy to take.

-Tim

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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Mar  1 15:17:12 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011257550.31766-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:00:38PM -0600
References: <20010301105625.A4490@sherohman.org> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011257550.31766-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010301151712.B4490@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:00:38PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> RFC says (somewhere, don't remember which one) forward and reverse have
> to match, so having the following would be invalid:

Learn something new every day.  But...

IIRC, NS and MX records aren't supposed to point to CNAMEs, only to As.
So wouldn't using only one A per IP make things a lot messier if you
switch from hosting mail and DNS on the same machine to separate boxes
or vice-versa?

Also, the DNS-HOWTO (my admittedly near-sole source of information on
the topic) includes a note that "A number of the arch-bind-wizards,
recommend not using CNAME at all. But the discussion of why or why not
is beyond this HOWTO."  Do these arch-bind-wizards choose to ignore the
RFC you're referring to or have they come up with some way of reconciling
the two approaches?

> This also makes it a helluva lot easier if we ever switch the IP of our
> web server.

If you want to look at it that way, sure...  It's the flip side of my earlier
comment about CNAMEs outside the zone being more fragile.  The extra level of
indirection makes moving the web server easier, but it also makes the
referring zone vulnerable to loss of access to the zone containing the A
record.

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From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Mar  1 15:43:46 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <0G9J00K0N9ZT32@mail1.supervalu.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOENPCIAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Considering you called it a beast, count me out.

:-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of
Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:25 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop


I was thinking about moving to a ultra-light notebook instead of my current
beast, so I thought there might be some interest here?

Here is what it is:

Compaq 1800T
PIII 700MHz (w/ Speedstep)
18GB IBM hard drive
192


From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 15:45:21 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <20010301105226.M30564@ringworld.org>
References: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo>
	<20010301060231.10195.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
	<3A9E94B0.7A3D358D@earthlink.net> <3A9E5074.12BC4B48@fandre.com>
	<20010301105226.M30564@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <m2elwhf9ji.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org> writes:

> * Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com> [010301 09:15]:
> > things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail doesn't mean it
> > shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system administrators
> 
> No, I just dont need an MTA that can make me toast, and serve it to me
> in bed. :)

Exactly.  As an emacs user, I've already got that covered :-) .
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From dmonie at futurestat.com  Thu Mar  1 17:26:49 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM parts for installfest
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010301171203.009e8700@pop.goldengate.net>

I am upgrading my rig to accommodate the new RedHat. That said, I have a 
DIMM and a HDD that I would like to let go. They are OEM parts (i.e. no 
dead-tree manuals, but I have PDFs) and are only about a month old.

SpecTek PC-133 128 MB SDRAM DIMM		$30 (or best offer)
Maxtor DMP40 ATA-100 30 GB 7200 RPM HDD		$120 (or best offer)

I will need to transfer my existing data to my new disk and do a low-level 
format before I can give you the HDD. Let me know if you are interested or 
have any questions.

Dileep


From simeonuj at eetc.com  Thu Mar  1 16:39:04 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig
Message-ID: <3A9ECF51.63A96776@eetc.com>

I am trying to add things to boot at startup and I think that chkconfig
was the command for that but can't remember what it was.  I looked at
the man page and can't get to any other information at this time.  I
have seen it in a lot of other howto's but can't remember where.  I am
just wondering if I could get a short explenation of the command to add
things to the boot up procedure at the command prompt?
I am making a shell script to automate some configuration changes.
Any help would be appreciated.

sim


From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 17:31:05 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Fowarding and MX records
In-Reply-To: <20010301151712.B4490@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103011729460.8513-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > RFC says (somewhere, don't remember which one) forward and reverse have
> > to match, so having the following would be invalid:
>
> Learn something new every day.  But...
>
> IIRC, NS and MX records aren't supposed to point to CNAMEs, only to As.
> So wouldn't using only one A per IP make things a lot messier if you
> switch from hosting mail and DNS on the same machine to separate boxes
> or vice-versa?

That is true. That's what I use ip aliases for DNS and MX servers.  :)

> Also, the DNS-HOWTO (my admittedly near-sole source of information on
> the topic) includes a note that "A number of the arch-bind-wizards,
> recommend not using CNAME at all. But the discussion of why or why not
> is beyond this HOWTO."  Do these arch-bind-wizards choose to ignore the
> RFC you're referring to or have they come up with some way of reconciling
> the two approaches?

When I saw that comment, I stopped using CNAME's for a long time.. but I
was convinced otherwise and had the RFC thrown in my face later on. Not
sure why they said that..

> > This also makes it a helluva lot easier if we ever switch the IP of our
> > web server.
>
> If you want to look at it that way, sure...  It's the flip side of my earlier
> comment about CNAMEs outside the zone being more fragile.  The extra level of
> indirection makes moving the web server easier, but it also makes the
> referring zone vulnerable to loss of access to the zone containing the A
> record.

True.

-- 
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From kelly at ncis.com  Thu Mar  1 17:58:57 2001
From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Hey!! where is this Install fest
Message-ID: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet>

Hey!! where is this Install fest and what day and what time.

What do I need to bring ect ect ect .

Ewww sounds like fun.

Kelly

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From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Hey!! where is this Install fest
In-Reply-To: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet>; from kelly@ncis.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:58:57PM -0600
References: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <20010301180519.C18133@real-time.com>

Check out the Events section of the www.mn-linux.org site for details.

It's this Sat 10am-5pm

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:58:57PM -0600, Kelly (kelly@ncis.com) wrote:
> 
>    Hey!! where is this Install fest and what day and what time.
>    
>    What do I need to bring ect ect ect .
>    
>    Ewww sounds like fun.
>    
>    Kelly

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From tim at tneu.visi.com  Thu Mar  1 07:20:51 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300
In-Reply-To: <01022717164503.01374@Homer>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102270650540.20845-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> On Tuesday 27 February 2001 03:01, you wrote:
> > Well, the hard disk is spinning up, and is accessed prior to the boot
> > process failing. 
> 
> Ok, so you mean to say that it looks, but can't find anything? Safe to say 
> that (in the least) some data is missing. Corrupt / unblessed System folder 
> etc. 

It looks, gives the smiley "computer" face, then flashes the question-mark
floppy icon. 

>  It is not making any unusual noises, and was working
> > just fine until now...   I think it's all right...  If not, I do have
> > another laptop SCSI hard drive that I could use.
> 
> Might need it.

Ok.  I'll bring it with. 

> > I have tried booting from a MacOS system CD, but have been unable to get
> > it to boot using an external CD-ROM drive.  This could have been a bad CD,
> > however, since I only have one.
> 
> normally that is done by holding down 'c' as the machine starts. If it won't 
> go, it could be because the external CD-ROM is not Genuine Apple on the 
> firmware level. (Is it?) I Do have a good bootable system 7.6 CD, as well as 
> the startup floppies (which can be made from the CD).

The CDROM drive is definately not apple.  It's from an Omnibook 800 (which
had external SCSI.  A mac friend of mine had me try booting with another
key sequence, though - Cmd-Option-backspace or something.  Perhaps he was
mistaken, in which case I can try a reinstall of MacOS prior to Saturday. 


> > Do you also have a MkLinux CD?  If so, I can be sure to make the
> > installfest...  
> 
> I have never used mklinux, only Debian m68k on the Macs. I'm not aware of a 
> .iso image for m68k Debian, but I do have the base install set burned to a 
> cd-rom. Once you install the base, the machine can get the rest from the 
> Internet with apt.

Will the m68k distribution work on a PowerPC based system?  If so, I would
definately prefer using Debian.   My impression was the mklinux was the
only distribution that supported both the PowerPC chip and the NuBus
archietecture. 

> I'm not sure if my external CD-ROM drive works, but
> > perhaps someone else will have a SCSI CD-ROM at the installfest.
> 
> I'll have at least one..

Ok. I will be sure to bring the cable. 

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  1 18:14:32 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Old monitor and 486?
References: <20010301175941.91546.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A9EE5E8.FA2EA24C@fandre.com>

Bring this stuff to the installfest. I'm sure you'll get rid of it in
seconds.

song chen wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> Need to get rid of some hardware in my apartment - let me know if
> anybody is interested and I will bring it to the installfest.
> 
> one Zenith 14" vga moitor
> one IBM 14" (maybe 15") SVGA moinitor
> one Radius 20" gray scale monitor (it's MAC monitor).
> 
> One 486 PC
> One PowerPC 6100
> 
> OLD Linux CDs - SUSE 5.2 - Redhat 6 - Slackware ? Walnut Creek CDs
> CD-R built from ISO - Mandrake 6, 7 etc.
> 
> PC and CDs are free - I may ask only a few bucks for monitors and the
> MAC - I just want to these hardware to be useful again and compensate
> my back for carrying them around :-)
> 
> Song
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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  1 18:19:23 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Hey!! where is this Install fest
References: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <3A9EE70B.E2317998@fandre.com>

> Kelly wrote:
> 
> Hey!! where is this Install fest and what day and what time.
> 

Like Amy said, check the webpage. Or just click here:
http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/

> What do I need to bring ect ect ect .

Whatever you want. There will NOT be anything provided, except for power
and network connectivity. And it sounds like there will be plenty of
systems for sale so you might could actually come with nothing and leave
with a fully functional Linux system.

> 
> Ewww sounds like fun.

I wish my wife would think that. She calls it my "Geek Group" and
laughs.

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 18:25:15 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> ???? I've been running qmail since something like version 0.73, but
> I've always found it very easy to get in and working.  Including back
> before the good documentation appeared.

Well, compared to postfix or sendmail I meant.  With qmail, you need to
change the way /var/spool/mail works, install djb's version of inetd for it
(you can use regular inetd, but you need dan's to prevent spammers from
relaying through you), add like 5 more user accounts and 1 or 2 groups for
the qmail processes to run under, etc...

Qmail is definitely a good mailserver, probably the most secure and the
fastest, but it's kind of annoying to set up.  I can't just do a "make
install" and edit a config file, there's a little more to it.  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:42 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:
> 
> > Use Postfix.  
> > 
> > I use both Postfix and qmail, but Postfix is probably what 
> you want.  The
> > only reason I can possibly see a reason to use qmail is if 
> your mailserver
> > is handling some crazy amount of mail, it's very fast, but 
> you have to do a
> > lot of screwing around to get it working correctly.  
> 
> ???? I've been running qmail since something like version 0.73, but
> I've always found it very easy to get in and working.  Including back
> before the good documentation appeared.
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 18:28:12 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

We have this Dell Inspiron 7500 sitting here with pretty much the same specs
as yours.  The thing is absolutely huge, it weighs a ton, and it barely fits
in the laptop bag with the power supply.  

It's a windows box, and it shows up on the network as "boatanchor1".  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:44 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
> 
> 
> Considering you called it a beast, count me out.
> 
> :-)
> 
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> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of
> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
> 
> 
> I was thinking about moving to a ultra-light notebook instead 
> of my current
> beast, so I thought there might be some interest here?
> 
> Here is what it is:
> 
> Compaq 1800T
> PIII 700MHz (w/ Speedstep)
> 18GB IBM hard drive
> 192
> 
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From sraun at fireopal.org  Thu Mar  1 18:51:46 2001
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone have a good pointer?
Message-ID: <20010301185146.A8929@iaxs.net>

I have this sudden need to write up a 'this is a mailing list, and how
to use it' article for a bunch of total neophytes. Anyone have a
recommendation for somewhere I can go plagiarize?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun@fireopal.org

From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Mar  1 19:21:10 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEFICCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

yeah my 5000e is supposed to be the "portable" dell..it weighs several
pounds more than my old 3200. I had to buy a whole new bag for the dang
thing.


The one benefit is that the screen is nice.

~j

> We have this Dell Inspiron 7500 sitting here with pretty much the
> same specs
> as yours.  The thing is absolutely huge, it weighs a ton, and it
> barely fits
> in the laptop bag with the power supply.
>
> It's a windows box, and it shows up on the network as "boatanchor1".  :)
>
> Jay
>
>


From rsinland at gvtel.com  Thu Mar  1 19:35:48 2001
From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone have a good pointer?
References: <20010301185146.A8929@iaxs.net>
Message-ID: <3A9EF8F3.753C8407@gvtel.com>

  Sure, the circlemud mailing list FAQ
Not exactly what you neeed, but with a bit of editing...
RS

 http://qsilver.queensu.ca/~fletchra/Circle/list-faq.html

Scott Raun wrote:

> I have this sudden need to write up a 'this is a mailing list, and how
> to use it' article for a bunch of total neophytes. Anyone have a
> recommendation for somewhere I can go plagiarize?
>
> --
> Scott Raun
> sraun@fireopal.org
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 19:52:14 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102270650540.20845-100000@tneu.visi.com>; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 07:20:51AM -0600
References: <01022717164503.01374@Homer> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102270650540.20845-100000@tneu.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010301195214.R30564@ringworld.org>

* tim <tim@tneu.visi.com> [010301 18:11]:
> definately prefer using Debian.   My impression was the mklinux was the

Debian has a ppc install. I will say more later when i have time on if
or if not this will work on your system. (need to research)

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 20:04:51 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #726 - 16 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200103020154.f221s8l28231@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010302020451.94724.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>

i'm in for the HD... do we have an auction or can i
just take it (and pay for it of course)? 

<RANT> i remember in the far past when i was warned
against the "dreaded low-level format" then again i
was also warned that "fdisk will fuck up your computer
so dont use it" why the hell does it come with DOS
then?</RANT>

 -munir


>I am upgrading my rig to accommodate the new RedHat.
>That said, I have 
>a 
>DIMM and a HDD that I would like to let go. They are
>OEM parts (i.e. no 
>dead-tree manuals, but I have PDFs) and are only
about >a month old.
>
>SpecTek PC-133 128 MB SDRAM DIMM                $30
>(or best offer)
>Maxtor DMP40 ATA-100 30 GB 7200 RPM HDD         $120
>(or best offer)
>
>I will need to transfer my existing data to my new
>disk and do a 
>low-level 
>format before I can give you the HDD. Let me know if
>you are interested 
>or 
>have any questions.
>
>Dileep

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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 20:15:11 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m27l28j4r4.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> > ???? I've been running qmail since something like version 0.73, but
> > I've always found it very easy to get in and working.  Including back
> > before the good documentation appeared.
> 
> Well, compared to postfix or sendmail I meant.  With qmail, you need to
> change the way /var/spool/mail works, install djb's version of inetd for it
> (you can use regular inetd, but you need dan's to prevent spammers from
> relaying through you), add like 5 more user accounts and 1 or 2 groups for
> the qmail processes to run under, etc...

Works fine with inetd.  Relaying is off normally, no problem there.
You only need something special if you need to support selective
relaying.  And inetd is a *disaster* for performance and reliability.  

7 users, but that's necessary for segmentation, which is necessary for
security.  It's not hard; took 20 seconds to add them.  2 groups, for
the same reason, even easier.  I'm sorry, but if adding some system
users is difficult....

> Qmail is definitely a good mailserver, probably the most secure and the
> fastest, but it's kind of annoying to set up.  I can't just do a "make
> install" and edit a config file, there's a little more to it.  :)

Always has been with any mailserver I tried, though.  Just like web
servers, or news servers.
-- 
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  1 20:22:33 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig
In-Reply-To: <3A9ECF51.63A96776@eetc.com>
References: <3A9ECF51.63A96776@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <m23dcwj4eu.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Simeon Johnston <simeonuj@eetc.com> writes:

> I am trying to add things to boot at startup and I think that chkconfig
> was the command for that but can't remember what it was.  I looked at
> the man page and can't get to any other information at this time.  I
> have seen it in a lot of other howto's but can't remember where.  I am
> just wondering if I could get a short explenation of the command to add
> things to the boot up procedure at the command prompt?
> I am making a shell script to automate some configuration changes.
> Any help would be appreciated.

This is how it works in Redhat; I'm not familiar with other
distributions, if they have a "chkconfig" that works differently from
this, then IGNORE THIS!

What chkconfig does is manipulate the links from /etc/rc.d/rc[0-6].d/
to /etc/rc.d/init.d/.  In init.d/ are scripts to start and stop many
system services; in rc[0-6].d/ are links to those files, with names
like [SK][0-9][0-9]<name>.  "S" means start, "K" means kill.  The
two-digit number is a sequence number, indicating what order the
operations are performed in.  The <name> is the same as the file name
in init.d/.  The links in rc<n>.d/ control services to be run when
entering runlevel n (this is the same use of "runlevel" as in
inittab). 

Chkconfig can work based on comments in the files in init.d/, or you
can just tell it on the command line to set a certain service to run
or not run in a certain runlevel.

You'll still need to ponder the man page as well; this is intended to
give you some vague understanding of the structure within which
chkconfig functions.

Have fun!
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From fritchie at mr.net  Thu Mar  1 21:21:13 2001
From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling 
In-Reply-To: Message of "Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:22:53 CST."
             <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10955D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> 
Message-ID: <200103020321.f223LDb60136@snookles.snookles.com>

Well, consider this a reply to several messages in this thread.

>>>>> "aj" == Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

>> things. Just because you guys can't understand sendmail doesn't
>> mean it shouldn't be used. I understand what we're not all system
>> administrators

aj> It's not that at all.  I administered a fairly large setup of
aj> sendmail boxes for about 4 years, with some fairly complicated and
aj> annoying configs.  I just think that there are some much better
aj> alternatives to it now.  I keep thinking back on the constant
aj> updates for security problems with it, and the m4 crap, and the
aj> fact that it has to run as root.  Evil.

Configs: Eric Allman has threatened (probably after a few too many
glasses of Cabernet) to make the sendmail config a human-hostile
binary, just to force people to use the M4 config generator.  Most of
the Sendmailiens I work with don't muck with raw rulesets because they
don't have to.  With the commercial version, it's point and click
(with context-sensitive help).

My M4 config for my home mail server is below, FWIW.  It's a far cry
from The Old Days(tm).

Creeping feature-itis?  Certainly.  But there's a demand for the
complexity.  And when the IETF stops making new standards, perhaps the
creep will slow.

Security: since the founding of the Sendmail Consortium
(http://www.sendmail.org/, not be to confused with the Endmail
Consortium, http://www.endmail.org/) and Sendmail, Inc., I'm not aware
of any non-DoS exploitable security holes in sendmail.  Its history
has been bad, but the last couple years have made a *huge* difference
in the quality of its code.

Fixing the running-as-root thing will have to wait for Sendmail 9.

Performance: sendmail 8.12, which may be out in a couple of months,
will compare very favorably to qmail performance-wise.  Surprising,
but that's what folks in the lab are saying.  {shrug}

How many people are using it: no one knows, primarily because no one
uses the same methodology.  Even DJB has changed the methodology of
his surveys.  Unless you nail methodology down, you might as well
choose "tastes great" or "less filling", for all the good it'll do
you.

License: qmail's situation is pretty nasty, IMO, because it creates
the huge patch quilt you need to deal with if you want to integrate
with certain POP servers, IMAP servers, delivery filters, TLS support,
etc.

Religion: I've been a sysadmin professionally for sendmail and qmail.
I made the choice in those situations, not handed down From On High or
due to tradition.  I've got postfix installed on my laptop.  Postfix
has got much more promise, IMO, than qmail because it has a much
better license.

Corporate religion/mindset: Nah, I'll shaddup.

-Scott

--- snip ---

VERSIONID(`@(#)Snookles.mc          0.9 24 Jan 2000')
OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl

define(`_USE_ETC_MAIL_',`1')dnl
define(`confCW_FILE',`/etc/mail/sendmail.cw')dnl
define(`PROCMAIL_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl
define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl
define(`confAUTO_REBUILD', True)dnl
define(`confME_TOO', True)dnl
define(`confMESSAGE_TIMEOUT', `5d/4h')dnl
define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `needvrfyhelo,noexpn')dnl
define(`confQUEUE_LA', `1')dnl
define(`confREFUSE_LA', `3')dnl

DOMAIN(generic)dnl
MASQUERADE_AS(snookles.com)dnl
FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl
FEATURE(local_procmail)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl
MAILER(procmail)dnl


From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  1 22:18:07 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10956C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> The one benefit is that the screen is nice.

I'm drooling over that new titanium powerbook....  Until I remember that it
only has one mouse button.  What a waste.  Maybe someone will come out with
a replacement touchpad module for it with the mouse button split into 3.  :)
Put Yellowdog or Black Lab linux on it...  sweet.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacqueline Urick [mailto:jacque@fruitioninc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:21 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
> 
> 
> yeah my 5000e is supposed to be the "portable" dell..it weighs several
> pounds more than my old 3200. I had to buy a whole new bag 
> for the dang
> thing.
> 
> 
> The one benefit is that the screen is nice.
> 
> ~j
> 
> > We have this Dell Inspiron 7500 sitting here with pretty much the
> > same specs
> > as yours.  The thing is absolutely huge, it weighs a ton, and it
> > barely fits
> > in the laptop bag with the power supply.
> >
> > It's a windows box, and it shows up on the network as 
> "boatanchor1".  :)
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> 
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Thu Mar  1 23:14:19 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103011441540.9133-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:45:47PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103011441540.9133-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010301231419.A6912@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

I run into this all the time since I boot off a 3ware escalade.  You need
an initrd image so your kernel knows which modules to load.  rtfm mkinitrd.
It's rather simple.  You just make the initrd image and then put an 

initrd=<initrd image name>

in your lilo.conf (in your kernel's config section).  So it will look
something like this:

image=/boot/vmlinuz
        label=linux
	initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.17-14smp.img
	read-only
	root=/dev/sda2

To use mkinitrd, you'll need the loop-back block device module loaded
(loop.o).

HTH.

Gabe

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:45:47PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I'm installing Debian on my brand-spankin'-new Compaq DL380.
> 
> The NIC and RAID controller aren't recognized on boot by the default Potato
> CD so right after configuring the keyboard, the Debian installer asks me to
> "Preload essential modules from a floppy."
> 
> Should I just make a ext2 formatted floppy and dump the *.o modules on
> there? There was no indication about what form the installer expected the
> modules floppy to take.
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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From bradyh at bitstream.net  Thu Mar  1 22:55:31 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Has anyone tried Redhat 7.1 (beta)?
In-Reply-To: <3A9EE70B.E2317998@fandre.com>
References: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010301224332.00a6cd40@mail.bitstream.net>

I'm wondering if they fixed some of the problems with 7.0.  I'd like to 
upgrade one or two of my machines but I want to wait till they get things a 
bit more "done".  I know they're still fiddling with glibc which kinda 
worries me...the last time I tried to upgrade glibc it took me almost a 
year to get everything on my system working normally again.

Brady

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
~~~~~~~~~~~
"Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something 
really stupid."
- Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  1 23:42:14 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Hey!! where is this Install fest
In-Reply-To: <3A9EE70B.E2317998@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 06:19:23PM -0600
References: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet> <3A9EE70B.E2317998@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010301234214.S30564@ringworld.org>

* Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com> [010301 18:24]:
> Whatever you want. There will NOT be anything provided, except for power

Do we need to worry about network switches/cables?  Zibby and I probally
will use at least 5 network ports with all the nifty gear we are
bringing. (2 thinclients as infoterminals, our machines, and a 802.11
AP)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 02:15:31 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020211060.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok, offtpoic again, but this is ANNOYING me!

Here's my /proc/interrupts:

           CPU0
  0:      13428          XT-PIC  timer
  1:        599          XT-PIC  keyboard
  2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
  3:          0          XT-PIC  via82cxxx
  4:       6177          XT-PIC  serial
  8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc
 11:       8025          XT-PIC  aic7xxx, usb-uhci, usb-uhci, eth0
 14:       2770          XT-PIC  ide0
 15:          7          XT-PIC  ide1
NMI:          0
ERR:          0

Note how lots of things insist on using IRQ11, even though IRQs 5, 6, 7,
9, 10, 12 and 13 are FREE. I know some of these are actually unavailable,
but for crying out loud! Why can't USB use IRQ12? Why can't SCSI and
Ethernet each have their own IRQ? How can I make the Matrox use IRQ10 like
they suggest and not 7 (trust me)???



-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 02:19:26 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020215320.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

It seems to me like there are a heck of a lot of messages on this list
about RPM this, apt-get that, Helix-whatever the other. Anyone else here
prefer to download the tarball and build it all from scratch?

I had to upgrade gcc for 2.4.* kernels (I had the one the docs said and it
still didn't build for Athlon!), and I figured, I've built gcc from source
on SunOS (that was fun), Solaris, DEC UNIX, AIX and IRIX - why not Linux?
So I did (:

This is my usual meathod of software update, from kernels to gimp to pine,
whatever. At least on my own personal machines. Anyone else feel the same
way?

-Yaron

--


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 03:11:37 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020211060.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:15:31AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020211060.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010302031136.V30564@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010302 02:17]:
> 9, 10, 12 and 13 are FREE. I know some of these are actually unavailable,
> but for crying out loud! Why can't USB use IRQ12? Why can't SCSI and
> Ethernet each have their own IRQ? How can I make the Matrox use IRQ10 like
> they suggest and not 7 (trust me)???

Your bios sets these things, change the IRQ pins in bios, if you can, or
start re-arranging cards.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 03:19:24 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
In-Reply-To: <20010302031136.V30564@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020316500.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> Your bios sets these things, change the IRQ pins in bios, if you can, or
> start re-arranging cards.

Yeah, there's no way I can arrange cards so as they won't be sharing
IRQs... thing is, the BIOS seems to be reserving SOME IRQs for... well...
nothing! I have the printer ports disabled - why won't it shoot IRQ7 over
to a PCI in need? And I really can't shuffle the video card around (;

Everything DOES work fine... it just... annoys me.


-Yaron

--


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 03:49:45 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020316500.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 03:19:24AM -0600
References: <20010302031136.V30564@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020316500.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010302034945.A14668@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010302 03:20]:
>   Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> > Your bios sets these things, change the IRQ pins in bios, if you can, or
> > start re-arranging cards.
> 
> Yeah, there's no way I can arrange cards so as they won't be sharing
> IRQs... thing is, the BIOS seems to be reserving SOME IRQs for... well...
> nothing! I have the printer ports disabled - why won't it shoot IRQ7 over
> to a PCI in need? And I really can't shuffle the video card around (;
> 
> Everything DOES work fine... it just... annoys me.

Fear eathernet + video on the same interrupt.

teela:~/courses/cs2021> cat /proc/interrupts 
CPU0       CPU1       
0:   26134201   26117330    IO-APIC-edge  timer
1:     201736     202113    IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
2:          0          0          XT-PIC  cascade
12:    1215193    1218099    IO-APIC-edge  PS/2 Mouse
14:          2          2    IO-APIC-edge  ide0
16:   36024931   36102112   IO-APIC-level  eth0, nvidia
17:    4313170    4316569   IO-APIC-level  es1371
18:     585534     585962   IO-APIC-level  ide2,
ide3
19:         45         48   IO-APIC-level  usb-uhci
NMI:   52251482   52251482 
LOC:   52250511   52250567 
ERR:        145


-- 
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  2 06:49:04 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
In-Reply-To: <200103012000.f21K01x28427@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <200103021249.f22CnAl08813@sprite.real-time.com>

On 01 Mar 2001 13:59:50 -0600, Jurupari wrote:
> I have been waiting for the next release of RedHat to come out 
> because I have an ATA100 card that I am havn't been able to get to 
> work with 7.0. I also have a USB camera and scanner that I was hoping 
> to get going with the 2.4.x series kernels.
> 


So go to ftp.kernel.org and download it and compile it. If you're
waiting for your distro to rev so you can get a new kernel you might as
well be using windows. Sorry it's harsh, but it's also my opinion.
Nearly all the ATA-100 mainstream cards are supported you just need to
hunt around for info. 


> Does anyone know when the next release should be expected? 
> 
> In the mean time, I thought maybe I would try one of the beta 
> versions. I know that 'fisher' is one. What is Wolverine??
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  2 06:53:28 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0103011022490.11655-100000@scully>
Message-ID: <200103021253.f22CrYl09041@sprite.real-time.com>

On 01 Mar 2001 10:32:54 -0500, Cory Spitz wrote:

> Nice to meet you all.  I'm new to the list and new to the area.  Anyway,
> on with the show.
> 
> Uptime is overrated.  I'm pretty sure that in 468 days your kernel has
> some pretty serious security flaws.  I know that you said your systems
> were firewalled... just be careful.


You must be new. Uptime means money. Uptime means someone don't have to
babysit the box, and that your clients don't have to wait for the
servers to come back online. If you think that the kernels state
degrades over time you're on crack. Perhaps you should read the story
from Bob on the old mailing list server for tclug. There isn't that many
security holes found in the kernel if  you build it right. Most of them
come in the userspace crap that most people think they need to run on
production boxen.



> Thanks,
> -Cory Spitz
> 
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  2 06:56:45 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <0G9J00K3PA5K32@mail1.supervalu.com>
Message-ID: <200103021256.f22Cupl09282@sprite.real-time.com>

On 01 Mar 2001 13:28:18 -0600, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote:
>
> Winmodem (ugh)


someone said there were open source drivers for those now.

> Comes with a license for Windows 2000, although I don't know how useful that 
> would
> be to most on this list.  ;)

Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows 90%
and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that thier
running linux. 





From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Fri Mar  2 07:10:25 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com>

Haha, you're probably right.  In any case, the WinModem is supported with
the winmodem drivers (under Linux), but not under FreeBSD.

Also, I was wrong on a couple of things about the laptop.  It has an 8x 
DVD-ROM,
not a 6x.  Also, it comes with an extra AC adapter.

The laptop isn't that heavy (just under 8 lbs).  You have to remember that it 
has
built-in ethernet, a built-in floppy, a built-in DVD drive, and a ton of built 
in ports.
It is a bit big, as you can't make it any wider than a 15" screen would allow.  
I would
be more than happy to toss in my (slightly beat-up) targus bag with the laptop.

I'll bring it to Installfest for everybody to see.  :)

- Nick





blutgens@sistina.com, on 03/02/2001 06:56:45 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop

On 01 Mar 2001 13:28:18 -0600, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote:
>
> Winmodem (ugh)


someone said there were open source drivers for those now.

> Comes with a license for Windows 2000, although I don't know how useful that 
> would
> be to most on this list.  ;)

Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows 90%
and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that thier
running linux. 




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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  2 07:45:51 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
References: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com>
Message-ID: <3A9FA40F.EFE6E28A@structural-wood.com>

Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote:
> 
> Haha, you're probably right.  In any case, the WinModem is supported with
> the winmodem drivers (under Linux), but not under FreeBSD.
> 
> Also, I was wrong on a couple of things about the laptop.  It has an 8x
> DVD-ROM,
> not a 6x.  Also, it comes with an extra AC adapter.
> 
> The laptop isn't that heavy (just under 8 lbs).  You have to remember that it
> has
> built-in ethernet, a built-in floppy, a built-in DVD drive, and a ton of built
> in ports.
> It is a bit big, as you can't make it any wider than a 15" screen would allow.
> I would
> be more than happy to toss in my (slightly beat-up) targus bag with the laptop.
> 
> I'll bring it to Installfest for everybody to see.  :)
> 
> - Nick
> 
>
What kind of a price are you thinking about?

From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  2 07:57:50 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <20010301231419.A6912@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103020756080.27122-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> I run into this all the time since I boot off a 3ware escalade.  You need
> an initrd image so your kernel knows which modules to load.  rtfm mkinitrd.
> It's rather simple.  You just make the initrd image and then put an 

Are you saying that I need to build a custom kernel and use it in place of
the kernel on the Debian install CD-ROM?

-Tim

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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Mar  2 08:04:00 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020215320.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A9FA850.8B926209@fandre.com>

That's how I used to feel before I had a life^H^H^H^Hfamily and a
fulltime job. There just isn't enough hours in the day as it is, much
less trying to find time to compile everything from scratch. If you have
plenty of time in your day, more power to you.

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> It seems to me like there are a heck of a lot of messages on this list
> about RPM this, apt-get that, Helix-whatever the other. Anyone else here
> prefer to download the tarball and build it all from scratch?
> 
> I had to upgrade gcc for 2.4.* kernels (I had the one the docs said and it
> still didn't build for Athlon!), and I figured, I've built gcc from source
> on SunOS (that was fun), Solaris, DEC UNIX, AIX and IRIX - why not Linux?
> So I did (:
> 
> This is my usual meathod of software update, from kernels to gimp to pine,
> whatever. At least on my own personal machines. Anyone else feel the same
> way?
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From andy at theasis.com  Fri Mar  2 08:07:55 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
In-Reply-To: <3A9FA850.8B926209@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103020807200.16043-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> That's how I used to feel before I had a life^H^H^H^Hfamily and a
> fulltime job. There just isn't enough hours in the day as it is, much
> less trying to find time to compile everything from scratch. If you have
> plenty of time in your day, more power to you.

It also gets to be a pain in the ...clock if you have 10 computers to deal
with. 

Andy

> 
> Yaron wrote:
> > 
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > It seems to me like there are a heck of a lot of messages on this list
> > about RPM this, apt-get that, Helix-whatever the other. Anyone else here
> > prefer to download the tarball and build it all from scratch?
> > 
> > I had to upgrade gcc for 2.4.* kernels (I had the one the docs said and it
> > still didn't build for Athlon!), and I figured, I've built gcc from source
> > on SunOS (that was fun), Solaris, DEC UNIX, AIX and IRIX - why not Linux?
> > So I did (:
> > 
> > This is my usual meathod of software update, from kernels to gimp to pine,
> > whatever. At least on my own personal machines. Anyone else feel the same
> > way?
> > 
> > -Yaron
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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> 


From jason.lowe at cit-net.com  Fri Mar  2 08:43:12 2001
From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E4C9BB432481D311890000104BC68FA2345469@cit001>

Yes everything is on the same controller.

-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:13 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject)


If it's connected to the 'net you could do a network install. Is the HD
on the same SCSI adapter?

"Lowe, Jason" wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am new to the list. I was wondering if anyone has tried
installing
> Red Hat on an older Compaq server box. I have had trouble finding drivers
> for the Onboard SCSI adapter to access the CD-ROM to do the install. Any
> helpful hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jason
> 
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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Mar  2 08:54:15 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103020807200.16043-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <3A9FB417.8EC39B74@fandre.com>

andy@theasis.com wrote:
> 
> > That's how I used to feel before I had a life^H^H^H^Hfamily and a
> > fulltime job. There just isn't enough hours in the day as it is, much
> > less trying to find time to compile everything from scratch. If you have
> > plenty of time in your day, more power to you.
> 
> It also gets to be a pain in the ...clock if you have 10 computers to deal
> with.

10? How about closer to 80. That would be fun, huh?

From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Fri Mar  2 08:55:23 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Has anyone tried Redhat 7.1 (beta)?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010301224332.00a6cd40@mail.bitstream.net>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:55:31PM -0600
References: <024801c0a2ab$970ea2c0$0a01a8c0@inet> <3A9EE70B.E2317998@fandre.com> <4.2.0.58.20010301224332.00a6cd40@mail.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <20010302085523.A7641@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

I've noticed some glibc weird-ness, but only with old binaries.  I have an
nfs mounted /usr/local with some old stuff in it.  Programs compiled on
RedHat 6.2 run fine, but older stuff (probably compiled on 6.0, maybe 6.1)
sometimes segfaults.  I've had no problems whatsoever compiling anything on
7.0.  They just released glibc updates a couple weeks ago and they seem to
be fine too.

Gabe

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:55:31PM -0600, brady wrote:
> I'm wondering if they fixed some of the problems with 7.0.  I'd like to 
> upgrade one or two of my machines but I want to wait till they get things a 
> bit more "done".  I know they're still fiddling with glibc which kinda 
> worries me...the last time I tried to upgrade glibc it took me almost a 
> year to get everything on my system working normally again.
> 
> Brady
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something 
> really stupid."
> - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")
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U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!!  If we leesten real close,
 we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren
"Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy
					  - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From brianj at medilinks.net  Fri Mar  2 08:55:58 2001
From: brianj at medilinks.net (Brian J. Ackermann)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <200103012324.f21NOWl22155@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>

Hey all...

Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a high
end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.

Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste the
components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty to
offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I am
for the hardware itself....

So, any place local?

Please advise,
Brian


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Fri Mar  2 08:57:57 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103020756080.27122-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 07:57:50AM -0600
References: <20010301231419.A6912@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103020756080.27122-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010302085757.B7641@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

If you can't install off the cdrom because it doesn't recognize some of your
hardware, then there's a good chance that the kernel on the cdrom doesn't
have any modules for your hardware.  If that's the case, then you'll have
to make a custom cdrom.  

Gabe

On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 07:57:50AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> > I run into this all the time since I boot off a 3ware escalade.  You need
> > an initrd image so your kernel knows which modules to load.  rtfm mkinitrd.
> > It's rather simple.  You just make the initrd image and then put an 
> 
> Are you saying that I need to build a custom kernel and use it in place of
> the kernel on the Debian install CD-ROM?
> 
> -Tim
> 
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Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

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 we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren
"Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy
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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Mar  2 08:50:51 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Installfest Announcement
Message-ID: <3A9FB34B.FB524751@fandre.com>

I apologize for the spam if you are not attending the TCLUG installfest
tomorrow. This was the easiest method for me to address all that plan on
attending. Just so this message isn't a total waste of your time, check
out this URL: http://www.alancoxonachip.com/


And new for those of you planning on attending the installfest:
We have around 55 users registered for the event already, with 37 users
bringing a computer. I expect there will be more than this by tomorrow.
The space at Benchmark is very limited. The last installfest we had
there was really cramped and I'm guessing tomorrow will be the same. I
know in the past there have been TCLUG'ers that have brought their
systems just to show off without needing any 'install' help. So I am
asking you guys to leave your systems at home and save some room for
those members that actually need help installing Linux. But please
attend so you can help them out and share your knowledge.

And please register if you haven't already.
http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php

There will be a sign-up sheet located in the installfest room, so please
sign it when you enter. Then you can setup your system anywhere you find
room and start installing Linux. (or whatever you want)

BTW, don't forget to bring power cords, monitors, keyboards, mice, and
anything else you will need. Nothing will be provided except for power
and network connectivity.

For more info check out the website: http://www.mn-linux.org

Thanks.

Clay
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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Mar  2 09:05:38 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
References: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
Message-ID: <3A9FB6C2.97FDA3F8@fandre.com>

How about the installfest tomorrow? There will be plenty of old
equipment there to choose from. Plus you can get rid of anything you
don't want.

"Brian J. Ackermann" wrote:
> 
> Hey all...
> 
> Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a high
> end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
> drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.
> 
> Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
> yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste the
> components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty to
> offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I am
> for the hardware itself....
> 
> So, any place local?
> 
> Please advise,
> Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 09:07:55 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
In-Reply-To: <3A9FB417.8EC39B74@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020906390.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> > It also gets to be a pain in the ...clock if you have 10 computers to deal
> > with.
> 10? How about closer to 80. That would be fun, huh?

That's why I said it's cool for my own personal machine. I definetly
wouldn't do this on multiple servers unless I had no choice. And that
includes my home firewall/gateway/whatever.

Though I do build apache/apache-ssl/qmail from scratch on it...

-Yaron

--


From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  2 09:20:47 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103020915170.4046-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Brian J. Ackermann wrote:

> Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a high
> end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
> drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.

I've got a Coyote Linux firewall running on a 33 MHz 486 w/ 32 MB RAM. It
runs like a champ. I took out the hard drive and run everything from the
floppy. The new Coyote version even has ssh. I've got a whole stack of these
machines. All you need is a couple ISA NICs to put in and you're good to
go. Let me know if anyone would like me to bring one to the installfest. I
can probably provide as many as people want.

-Tim

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From kelly at ncis.com  Fri Mar  2 09:26:40 2001
From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
References: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
Message-ID: <009601c0a32d$2faa0020$0a01a8c0@inet>

Hey take a look at this.
Http://www.freesco.org
makes a good firewall,Router,DHCP server, Caching DNS server, Dials on
demand for modem users, Also supports ISDN, Cable,DSL.
Will Run on a 386, needs only 6 megs ram and runs from a floppy.
Really easy to set up.
I have mine running on a p60 with no HD.
Got it mounted to the ceiling in my basement. Its been up for 6 mos with out
a reboot.
Kelly

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J. Ackermann" <brianj@medilinks.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:55 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box


> Hey all...
>
> Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a high
> end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
> drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.
>
> Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
> yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste
the
> components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty to
> offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I
am
> for the hardware itself....
>
> So, any place local?
>
> Please advise,
> Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Fri Mar  2 09:25:40 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
References: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net> <3A9FB6C2.97FDA3F8@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <009801c0a32d$0cfcbe00$eaaf7a81@doug>

I have exactly what you need, I am bringing in several 486 and Pentium
computers to the installfest.  Look me up when you get there.

Doug Hanson
dhanson2@uswest.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Fandre" <clay@fandre.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Firewall Box


> How about the installfest tomorrow? There will be plenty of old
> equipment there to choose from. Plus you can get rid of anything you
> don't want.
>
> "Brian J. Ackermann" wrote:
> >
> > Hey all...
> >
> > Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a
high
> > end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
> > drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.
> >
> > Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
> > yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste
the
> > components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty
to
> > offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I
am
> > for the hardware itself....
> >
> > So, any place local?
> >
> > Please advise,
> > Brian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From escargo at anubis.network.com  Fri Mar  2 09:35:28 2001
From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
Message-ID: <200103021535.JAA25886@rainier.network.com>

Tim Wilson wrote:

> All you need is a couple ISA NICs to put in and you're good to
> go.

Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have 3Com
3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them working on
the same system.  I've got a Pentium 75 system (surplus from
Material Processing for which I paid $50) that I want to use
for my firewall box, but I have been putting off wrestling with
the issue until I get a DSL line (maybe sometime this month).

dsc

From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Fri Mar  2 09:56:09 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com>
	(Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
References: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com>
Message-ID: <20010302155609.13311.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Someone said:

   Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
   90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
   thier running linux.

LOLBOT

Glad I'm not the only one who got that impression. ;)


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  2 09:54:51 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <200103021535.JAA25886@rainier.network.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103020954001.7013-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, David S. Cargo wrote:

> Tim Wilson wrote:
> 
> > All you need is a couple ISA NICs to put in and you're good to
> > go.
> 
> Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have 3Com
> 3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them working on
> the same system.  I've got a Pentium 75 system (surplus from
> Material Processing for which I paid $50) that I want to use
> for my firewall box, but I have been putting off wrestling with
> the issue until I get a DSL line (maybe sometime this month).

I use 3C509B NICs in my firewall. They work perfectly with Coyote.

-Tim

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar  2 10:06:43 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
References: <200103021535.JAA25886@rainier.network.com>
Message-ID: <3A9FC513.C2652F81@ltiflex.com>

> Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have 3Com
> 3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them working on
> the same system.  

These are some of the best ISA cards you can get. They will work, I promise.
:)
First though, do you have a PNP bios? If yes, set PNP-os installed to No. 

Second, head over to 3com's site and grab the driver disks for these cards.
From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 10:10:14 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ON Topic: building your own software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020215320.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020215320.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <m2ae74w3rt.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> writes:

>   Hi,
> 
> It seems to me like there are a heck of a lot of messages on this list
> about RPM this, apt-get that, Helix-whatever the other. Anyone else here
> prefer to download the tarball and build it all from scratch?

No.  I simply don't have time to study each package with the intensity
needed to make sure I've configured it validly.  Or, if it's *really*
just as simple as make config; make or something, then there's no
reason to worry about the rpm, since they didn't make any decisions
for me.

I spent several years as a news admin at various sites (4 at one time
or another), building cnews and INN from source as needed, applying
patches, and so forth.  It's *so* wonderful not to have to deal with
that any more.  Whereas if I did have to deal with that for every
single package, I'd simply give up.
-- 
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SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 10:11:43 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <200103021253.f22CrYl09041@sprite.real-time.com>
References: <200103021253.f22CrYl09041@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <m266hsw3pc.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> writes:

> On 01 Mar 2001 10:32:54 -0500, Cory Spitz wrote:
> 
> > Nice to meet you all.  I'm new to the list and new to the area.  Anyway,
> > on with the show.
> > 
> > Uptime is overrated.  I'm pretty sure that in 468 days your kernel has
> > some pretty serious security flaws.  I know that you said your systems
> > were firewalled... just be careful.
> 
> 
> You must be new. Uptime means money. Uptime means someone don't have to
> babysit the box, and that your clients don't have to wait for the
> servers to come back online. If you think that the kernels state
> degrades over time you're on crack. Perhaps you should read the story
> from Bob on the old mailing list server for tclug. There isn't that many
> security holes found in the kernel if  you build it right. Most of them
> come in the userspace crap that most people think they need to run on
> production boxen.

Uptime means you haven't put in a kernel security upgrade in, in this
case, 468 days.  Possibly that kernel hasn't needed one; if so that's
good.  Mine have.
-- 
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SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 10:12:34 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <200103021256.f22Cupl09282@sprite.real-time.com>
References: <200103021256.f22Cupl09282@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <m21ysgw3nx.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> writes:

> On 01 Mar 2001 13:28:18 -0600, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote:
> >
> > Winmodem (ugh)
> 
> 
> someone said there were open source drivers for those now.
> 
> > Comes with a license for Windows 2000, although I don't know how useful that 
> > would
> > be to most on this list.  ;)
> 
> Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows 90%
> and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that thier
> running linux. 

I run my servers on linux and my desktop on windows.  I run photoshop
a lot, doing things where Gimp isn't an options (color management,
profile building).
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet      /      Welcome to the future!      /      dd-b@dd-b.net
SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From jima at gimp.damnation.net  Fri Mar  2 10:12:41 2001
From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>

David S. Cargo wrote:

> Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have 3Com
> 3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them working on
> the same system.  I've got a Pentium 75 system (surplus from
> Material Processing for which I paid $50) that I want to use
> for my firewall box, but I have been putting off wrestling with
> the issue until I get a DSL line (maybe sometime this month).
> 
> dsc

 Actually, the 3c509 works *great*...if you can get it set up right.  If
you go to 3com's web site and download the driver disks (actually you only
really need disk #2), extract 3c5x9cfg.exe, put it on a DOS bootable
floppy (ugh, but it works) and boot onto it, you can change the
configuration on one of the cards so that they aren't using the same I/O
address & interrupt.  I've got a pair of these in my firewall, and they
work great.
 The self-extracting archive for EtherDisk #2 (as it's called) is
available at:

ftp://ftp.3com.com/pub/nic/3c509/3c509x2.exe

or

http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509/3c509x2.exe


 Hope this helps.

     Jima



From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 10:15:00 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
References: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
Message-ID: <m2wva8uozf.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Brian J. Ackermann" <brianj@medilinks.net> writes:

> Hey all...
> 
> Well, I'm now looking for some hardware to put up an LRP firewall, a high
> end 486, or low end pentium, 16-32MB RAM, any video card, and a floppy
> drive, and probalby not too much else...You guys know the drill.
> 
> Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
> yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste the
> components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty to
> offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I am
> for the hardware itself....
> 
> So, any place local?

People are talking about bringing stuff to the installfest to dispose
of.  I'm planning to bring a 486/100, for example.  Maybe a 486/33,
too, but would *anybody* actually want one of those?  (Actually,
should be fine for a firewall; the horsepower needed is limited by the
external connection bandwidth after all).
-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 10:43:09 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <20010302155609.13311.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>; from chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 03:56:09PM -0000
References: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010302155609.13311.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <20010302104309.C14668@ringworld.org>

>    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
>    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
>    thier running linux.

Wow.  Too bad I dont even dual boot my home machine anymore, and I
happen to manage a slue of redhat/linux and unix machines at work.  I do
my day-to-day mostly in linux.  The only things outside of that is using
the Lucent Firewalling java stuff ( it only seems to work in windows
correctly) and NFR client.  But the NFR server *is* bsd. :)

-- 
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From foeclan at winternet.com  Fri Mar  2 10:52:44 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
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> Someone said:
> 
>    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
>    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
>    thier running linux.
> 
I sense a poll coming... how much do we actually _use_ Linux?

About 95% at home here. I only boot it for some games, and haven't been in
much of a gaming mood that UT or Q3 couldn't solve for months.

0% at work.  I mostly use Solaris there (85%), cursing frequently as I
find the small-but-irritating differences between the Solaris and GNU
versions of assorted utilities.  Windows comes in at 15% mostly because of
Cygwin and the decision to switch to Outlook so we can communicate with
the rest of the company (picky picky... :).

Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com




From homebrewmike at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 10:53:13 2001
From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mosix?
Message-ID: <20010302165313.44429.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello-

I'm new to the list, and the area.  Kind of nice to
stumble upon a LUG.

Anybody here running Mosix?

Hey - what's the skinny on decent net connections
(dialup, DSL, etc.)  I'm looking for advice on who to
go or don't go to.

Thanks-
  -Mike White

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar  2 11:01:48 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109571@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> Uptime means you haven't put in a kernel security upgrade in, in this
> case, 468 days.  Possibly that kernel hasn't needed one; if so that's
> good.  Mine have.

This one hasn't.  It serves MRTG graphs and is only accessible by about 4
different machines.  No external access.

Whatever happened to the running kernel replacement thing awhile back?
Someone was working on a project which would allow you to load the new
kernel while the system was up so you didn't have to reboot or interrupt any
running processes.  Was this part of the Realtime Linux project?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
> 
> 
> Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> writes:
> 
> > On 01 Mar 2001 10:32:54 -0500, Cory Spitz wrote:
> > 
> > > Nice to meet you all.  I'm new to the list and new to the 
> area.  Anyway,
> > > on with the show.
> > > 
> > > Uptime is overrated.  I'm pretty sure that in 468 days 
> your kernel has
> > > some pretty serious security flaws.  I know that you said 
> your systems
> > > were firewalled... just be careful.
> > 
> > 
> > You must be new. Uptime means money. Uptime means someone 
> don't have to
> > babysit the box, and that your clients don't have to wait for the
> > servers to come back online. If you think that the kernels state
> > degrades over time you're on crack. Perhaps you should read 
> the story
> > from Bob on the old mailing list server for tclug. There 
> isn't that many
> > security holes found in the kernel if  you build it right. 
> Most of them
> > come in the userspace crap that most people think they need 
> to run on
> > production boxen.
> 
> Uptime means you haven't put in a kernel security upgrade in, in this
> case, 468 days.  Possibly that kernel hasn't needed one; if so that's
> good.  Mine have.
> -- 
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>    dd-b@dd-b.net
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From blayer at qwest.net  Fri Mar  2 17:05:35 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mosix?
In-Reply-To: <20010302165313.44429.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010302165313.44429.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01030217053502.00260@Homer>

On Friday 02 March 2001 10:53, you wrote:
> Hey - what's the skinny on decent net connections
> (dialup, DSL, etc.)  I'm looking for advice on who to
> go or don't go to.

This is a much discussed topic, you might want to browse the last couple 
months of archives. FWIW, the Qwest DSL service seems pretty decent (at least 
my experience has been very good.)

One piece of advice - if you need to call their support, always select Mac 
support - they are much less busy, and assuming you are dealing with an 
external modem, the drill is exactly the same. 


-- 


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From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar  2 11:17:53 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
References: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010302155609.13311.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <3A9FD5C1.50A17B1E@mninter.net>

> Someone said:
> 
>    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
>    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
>    thier running linux.
> 

Personally, my personal laptop is SuSe 7.0 (soon to be Slackware
again).  I have two servers at home that are Slackware 7.1, my son's
computer is Win98se (staying that way for a while), and my desktop is
coming to the installfest as well to get Slackware 7.1 put on it.  I
plan to dual boot the system, as a couple of things don't run on Linux. 
But I want to set it up so that unless a lilo bootdisk is put in to boot
to windows, it defaults to Linux.  There's two reasons behind this:  1)
Use Linux more and more, wanting to get away from Windows, 2) To force
my wife to either A: learn Linux or B: Get the hell off of "My" machine
if she doesn't like it.  I'm thinking that she'll eventually go to "B"
and continue to use my son's computer.  Did someone mention evil
underhand tactics used by MS??  

At work, I have a laptop supplied with Win2K on it.  Aside from a couple
of applications, I do almost everything on my personal laptop (linux). 
I'm a Junior sys admin for AIX 4.3.3 boxes (RS6000 servers that are
monsters really).  While I'm still relatively new to Unix and Linux, I'm
learning all the time.  Unfortunately, I support more apps than Unix in
my position, but still I'm root and am doing sys admin stuff on the
OS/hardware level.  <G>    

Does that count for not using Windows 90% of the time?


Shawn

From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar  2 11:21:26 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103021045500.12005-100000@parka.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3A9FD696.2C695EE2@mninter.net>

Michael Vieths wrote:
Windows comes in at 15% mostly because of
> Cygwin and the decision to switch to Outlook so we can communicate with
> the rest of the company (picky picky... :).

We run Lotus Notes here, and sometimes I have to use the Windoze
client.  But we also run it in web mode, which I use on my Linux laptop
within a browser.  <G>


Shawn

From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Fri Mar  2 11:16:29 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
Message-ID: <15007.54637.133726.408466@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

On my coyote linux box I don't have a good windows and didn't want to
deal with it.  So I was able to boot with FreeDOS (I just used their
install disk, since it had enough to boot with), reconfigure my 2
3c509's with the 3com driver and ever since then, my coyote firewall's
been working just fine.

In fact, it's been a lot easier to deal with my dsl since I got the
coyote working and could just have my desktop use the coyote dhcp.
Setting up the dual nics on my desktop was a pain in the butt, and I
was never confident I'd got it quite right....

R

From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  2 11:24:09 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103021045500.12005-100000@parka.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3A9FD739.5388B478@structural-wood.com>

Michael Vieths wrote:
> 
> > Someone said:
> >
> >    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
> >    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
> >    thier running linux.
> >
> I sense a poll coming... how much do we actually _use_ Linux?
> 
> About 95% at home here. I only boot it for some games, and haven't been in
> much of a gaming mood that UT or Q3 couldn't solve for months.
> 
> 0% at work.  I mostly use Solaris there (85%), cursing frequently as I
> find the small-but-irritating differences between the Solaris and GNU
> versions of assorted utilities.  Windows comes in at 15% mostly because of
> Cygwin and the decision to switch to Outlook so we can communicate with
> the rest of the company (picky picky... :).
> 
> Michael Vieths
> Foeclan@Winternet.Com
>
My only contact with Windows is repairing my wife's work machine, which I
have to do all too frequently.

Otherwise I've converted everything at work to Solaris / Linux (40 users),
and I've got my son, my parents and one brother running on Linux.

From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 11:38:19 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
Message-ID: <m2wva8t6k4.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Jima <jima@gimp.damnation.net> writes:

> David S. Cargo wrote:
> 
> > Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have 3Com
> > 3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them working on
> > the same system.  I've got a Pentium 75 system (surplus from
> > Material Processing for which I paid $50) that I want to use
> > for my firewall box, but I have been putting off wrestling with
> > the issue until I get a DSL line (maybe sometime this month).
> > 
> > dsc
> 
>  Actually, the 3c509 works *great*...if you can get it set up right.  If
> you go to 3com's web site and download the driver disks (actually you only
> really need disk #2), extract 3c5x9cfg.exe, put it on a DOS bootable
> floppy (ugh, but it works) and boot onto it, you can change the
> configuration on one of the cards so that they aren't using the same I/O
> address & interrupt.  I've got a pair of these in my firewall, and they
> work great.

This is so strange.  I've dropped 3c509 cards surplus from dead work
into two boxes, and they auto-configured and were recognized and work
fine, without any of this horsing around.  Am I just very lucky, or
what? 
-- 
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From punch at perkinz.org  Fri Mar  2 11:37:31 2001
From: punch at perkinz.org (punch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <3A9FD739.5388B478@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0103021129540.14100-100000@unf.perkinz.org>



> Michael Vieths wrote:
> > 
> > > Someone said:
> > >
> > >    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
> > >    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
> > >    thier running linux.
> > >
> > I sense a poll coming... how much do we actually _use_ Linux?
> > 
> > About 95% at home here. I only boot it for some games, and haven't been in
> > much of a gaming mood that UT or Q3 couldn't solve for months.
> > 
> > 0% at work.  I mostly use Solaris there (85%), cursing frequently as I
> > find the small-but-irritating differences between the Solaris and GNU
> > versions of assorted utilities.  Windows comes in at 15% mostly because of
> > Cygwin and the decision to switch to Outlook so we can communicate with
> > the rest of the company (picky picky... :).
> > 
> > Michael Vieths
> > Foeclan@Winternet.Com
> >
> My only contact with Windows is repairing my wife's work machine, which I
> have to do all too frequently.
> 
> Otherwise I've converted everything at work to Solaris / Linux (40 users),
> and I've got my son, my parents and one brother running on Linux.

As a longtime hardcore pc gamer I (and many others on this list im
sure) will forever be binded to windows on our desktops. All the money
that people like me pour into our gaming rigs leads us to desire the best
experience that our hardware can deliver... and hopefully in the future
linux will be able to acomplish that. Probably not in my gaming lifetime
unfortunitly. This is of course is why i spent some money and picked up
a good laptop from which i an run all of my linux operations from. I am
proud to say that my fileserver is a slack 7.1 machine. 

Punch
  
  Wazoo


From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Fri Mar  2 12:27:57 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9L00B9K22JK8@mail1.supervalu.com>

Hmm - I think we need to get back on topic.  No more "what OS do you mainly
use" and more "Lets offer Nick oodles of cash for his laptop".  Yes, indeed.

- Nick





punch@perkinz.org, on 03/02/2001 11:37:31 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop




> Michael Vieths wrote:
> > 
> > > Someone said:
> > >
> > >    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
> > >    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
> > >    thier running linux.
> > >
> > I sense a poll coming... how much do we actually _use_ Linux?
> > 
> > About 95% at home here. I only boot it for some games, and haven't been in
> > much of a gaming mood that UT or Q3 couldn't solve for months.
> > 
> > 0% at work.  I mostly use Solaris there (85%), cursing frequently as I
> > find the small-but-irritating differences between the Solaris and GNU
> > versions of assorted utilities.  Windows comes in at 15% mostly because of
> > Cygwin and the decision to switch to Outlook so we can communicate with
> > the rest of the company (picky picky... :).
> > 
> > Michael Vieths
> > Foeclan@Winternet.Com
> >
> My only contact with Windows is repairing my wife's work machine, which I
> have to do all too frequently.
> 
> Otherwise I've converted everything at work to Solaris / Linux (40 users),
> and I've got my son, my parents and one brother running on Linux.

As a longtime hardcore pc gamer I (and many others on this list im
sure) will forever be binded to windows on our desktops. All the money
that people like me pour into our gaming rigs leads us to desire the best
experience that our hardware can deliver... and hopefully in the future
linux will be able to acomplish that. Probably not in my gaming lifetime
unfortunitly. This is of course is why i spent some money and picked up
a good laptop from which i an run all of my linux operations from. I am
proud to say that my fileserver is a slack 7.1 machine. 

Punch
  
  Wazoo

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From jcoyne at software.umn.edu  Fri Mar  2 13:51:15 2001
From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with klogd on boot
In-Reply-To: <0G9L00B9K22JK8@mail1.supervalu.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021345390.5401-100000@combat.software.umn.edu>

When klogd is invoked from my /etc/rd.d/boot script, (klogd -s -o -n -f
/var/log/boot.msg) it won't finish executing. My boot script won't finish
untill I hit ctrl-c. By placing echos in /etc/rc.d/boot I have isolated
the problem to that particular line. When I login, /var/log/boot.msg has
been updated. It seems as if klogd, can't close the file. BTW this
all began after a kernel upgrade from 2.4.0 to 2.4.2. Any thoughts as to
what may be causing this?

Justin Coyne <jcoyne@software.umn.edu>

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison



From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 12:57:11 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] getting a ride
In-Reply-To: <200103021520.f22FK7l14228@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010302185711.45600.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>

Concerning the installfest tomorrow, is it possible
for me to hitch a ride with someone? i live in
Dinkytown and if anyone has the time and/or the
inclination to give me (and my computer) a ride i
would greatly appreciate it... (email me at
m_nassar@yahoo.com, or page me at 299-5427)

 -munir

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar  2 13:02:07 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net> <m2wva8t6k4.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
Message-ID: <3A9FEE2F.4430A20B@ltiflex.com>

> This is so strange.  I've dropped 3c509 cards surplus from dead work
> into two boxes, and they auto-configured and were recognized and work
> fine, without any of this horsing around.  Am I just very lucky, or
> what?

The 3c509b and c can operate in one of two modes, pnp and non-pnp. My guess
is that they were configured for PNP operation and you have a bios that
handles pnp better than the pnp bios in 486's and older pentiums. When Plug
and Play was first introduced, there was a reason why it was coined Plug and
Pray. Nowdays, PNP pretty much works as advertised (at least on Intel and
Via chipsets.) 

The other issue at play here is trying to get two 3c509's into one box. It
will work, but you'll usually have to tweak a bit (espically true for older
machines.)

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From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  2 13:06:11 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <20010302085757.B7641@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103021302460.19609-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> If you can't install off the cdrom because it doesn't recognize some of your
> hardware, then there's a good chance that the kernel on the cdrom doesn't
> have any modules for your hardware.  If that's the case, then you'll have
> to make a custom cdrom.  

OK, let's see if I've got this straight. I've never needed to get into this
particular area before.

1. take Debian CD iso and mount it using the loopback interface.
2. compile kernel on another machine with all the required modules
3. replace Debian stock kernel with custom kernel
4. unmount image
5. burn new CD

Is this close? If so, steps 1, 2, 4, 5 are no problem. It's step 3 that I'm
not sure about. Comments?

-Tim

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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Fri Mar  2 12:56:00 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9L00CBA3C51M@mail1.supervalu.com>

Couple answers to questions folks are asking:

1) How much?
I'm looking for about $2500.  I've got somebody who might already be 
interested,
but let me know.

2) What screen?
It has the XGA screen.  1024x768.  I found that the XGA+ screen had too high of 
a
resolution for a 15" screen.  (which is 1440x1050)

3) What video "card"?
It has the ATi Rage Mobility M1 (8MB).  XFree86 4 found everything perfectly.  
In my very
first time starting it, it found the card, the video memory, the correct 
refresh rate, and
the native resolution of the LCD panel.  Woot.


Also: The DVD drive in the machine has been flashed to be region-free.  It
was one of the Toshiba drives that had a hacked firmware.  Very cool.  It can 
be
flashed back to region 1 if that makes you twitchy.  ;)

- Nick Reinking
From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Fri Mar  2 13:11:50 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <m2wva8t6k4.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103021002090.17668-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
	<m2wva8t6k4.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
Message-ID: <15007.61558.746399.35059@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

>>>>> "DD" == David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@dd-b.net> writes:

    DD> Jima <jima@gimp.damnation.net> writes:
    >> David S. Cargo wrote:
    >> 
    >> > Are there some NICs that work better than others?  I have
    >> 3Com > 3c509b cards and have had no luck getting two of them
    >> working on > the same system.  I've got a Pentium 75 system
    >> (surplus from > Material Processing for which I paid $50) that
    >> I want to use > for my firewall box, but I have been putting
    >> off wrestling with > the issue until I get a DSL line (maybe
    >> sometime this month).  > > dsc
    >> 
    >> Actually, the 3c509 works *great*...if you can get it set up
    >> right.  If you go to 3com's web site and download the driver
    >> disks (actually you only really need disk #2), extract
    >> 3c5x9cfg.exe, put it on a DOS bootable floppy (ugh, but it
    >> works) and boot onto it, you can change the configuration on
    >> one of the cards so that they aren't using the same I/O address
    >> & interrupt.  I've got a pair of these in my firewall, and they
    >> work great.

    DD> This is so strange.  I've dropped 3c509 cards surplus from
    DD> dead work into two boxes, and they auto-configured and were
    DD> recognized and work fine, without any of this horsing around.
    DD> Am I just very lucky, or what?

Well, I got two NICs surplus from my employers and I suspect that our
IS folks tried to configure them identically to the maximum extent
possible, because both NICs shared IRQ AND address.  So I needed the
driver to fix the collision.

Once that was done, there was nothing more to do.  They autoconfigured
from there.

So I think I was especially UNlucky, but even so, it was pretty darn
easy.

R

From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Fri Mar  2 13:22:18 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103021302460.19609-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 01:06:11PM -0600
References: <20010302085757.B7641@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103021302460.19609-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010302132218.A8192@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> 3. replace Debian stock kernel with custom kernel

If you mean, just copy the kernel image to the iso, then, no, you'll need
to do more than that, unless you just plan on compiling everything you need
into the kernel (which would seem easier).  If you goign to compile
everything you need as modules, then you'll need to copy the modules to the
iso, make a new initrd and copy that tp the ISO, modify lilo.conf on the
iso and somehow install the new lilo in the boot-block of the iso.  

I may have left something out (likely, since I've never done anything like
this before :)  I'm sure others on the list have built custom install
images before.  Hell, they'd have to to boot of of ReiserFS and/or LVM
and/or GFS.  Where the hell is Idiot Ben when we need him!? ;)

Gabe
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UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

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From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  2 13:31:33 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] preloading modules
In-Reply-To: <20010302132218.A8192@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103021329461.19609-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> > 3. replace Debian stock kernel with custom kernel
> 
> If you mean, just copy the kernel image to the iso, then, no, you'll need
> to do more than that, unless you just plan on compiling everything you need
> into the kernel (which would seem easier).

That's the way I would go. If only for installation purposes, wouldn't it be
easier to compile everything you need right into the kernel and not worry
about modules. Making a new kernel after the initial installation is a piece
of cake.

-Tim

--
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Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
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From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net  Fri Mar  2 13:41:08 2001
From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <200103021253.f22CrYl09041@sprite.real-time.com> (message from
	Ben Lutgens on 02 Mar 2001 06:53:28 -0600)
References: <200103021253.f22CrYl09041@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010302194108.13974.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>

Blutgens writes:

   You must be new. Uptime means money. Uptime means someone don't
   have to babysit the box, and that your clients don't have to wait
   for the servers to come back online.

Just because you haven't rebooted doesn't mean there haven't been any
service outages. Apache gets sick, FTP servers die, configurations
change, software is upgraded, et c. Uptime does, in fact, mean very
little.

You must be new.

   There isn't that many security holes found in the kernel if you
   build it right.

You just have to select `Guard against unforeseen vulnerabilities' in
`make menuconfig'. The reason not everybody knows about this handy
config option is that it isn't part of the official kernel
distribution. Are you going to release your patch any time soon? It's
really cool.


-- 
Chris
www.innerfireworks.com

How can you say this is not Eden?

From mglaser at mn.mediaone.net  Fri Mar  2 14:36:49 2001
From: mglaser at mn.mediaone.net (mglaser@mn.mediaone.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
In-Reply-To: <200103021249.f22CnAl08813@sprite.real-time.com>
References: <200103012000.f21K01x28427@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <200103022037.f22KbBx29936@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

> So go to ftp.kernel.org and download it and compile it. If you're
> waiting for your distro to rev so you can get a new kernel you might as
> well be using windows. Sorry it's harsh, but it's also my opinion.

The original question I asked is 'what is the difference between 
Fisher and Wolverine, or does anyone know when the next release of 
RedHat might be?'. Instead you suggest I just compile a new kernel.

Perhaps you can help me with that then (for the record, I have built 
the 2.4.0 kernel once on a laptop I was using at a previous job, but 
I no longer have access to that).

The computer I was running Linux on has died and will not be replaced 
for some time. Right now I have a Dell XPS D300 that has Windows on 
it, and I would like to install linux on a separate partition. My 
RedHat 7.0 CD will boot, but the install will not take place because 
it can not find the hard drive on the ATA100 controller - and that is 
the only drive there is.

So... I can go to ftp.kernel.org and download the kernel source as 
you suggested. Don't I need a Linux system already up and running to 
compile the source code? I can't use Windows to do that can I? So 
what do I do with it at this point? Obviously I am missing something.

Let's say I was able to compile a kernel or download the binary. Then 
how exactly could I take that kernel by itself and run the install, 
or make a boot floppy that I could use to install the rest of the 
system with?

> Nearly all the ATA-100 mainstream cards are supported you just need
> to hunt around for info. 

I apologise in advance for not having the expertise to figure all of 
this out by myself, but I haven't had the opportunity to use Linux 
exclusively in my daily work and learn to use it like so many of the 
people on this list have. I had hoped to come to the install-fest 
this Sat. but I have class from 8-5 and cannot make it.

I have searched newsgroups for answers, the RedHat web site, and the 
Promise web site. I do believe Promise manufactured the card I am 
using for Maxtor. I did find a 'driver' there, but no information on 
what to do with it. As a last resort, I posted a simple question here 
that I thought someone could answer.

It seems that when I ask for help on something I get a few useful 
replies about 50% of the time (thank-you), and nearly flamed for 
either being an idiot or someone that has not 'seen the light' and 
abandoned all other operating systems 100% in favor of Linux. I get 
the feeling that that is where this one is headed. 

Take a peek at the recent thread going on where Nick asked if anyone 
was interested in buying his laptop. It has turned into something 
where we are now trying to find out who the REAL Linux users are. 
Almost like a witch hunt. It kind of amazes me to be honest with you. 

Sorry for the rant.

Mike Glaser







From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 15:20:44 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <20010301165534.10688.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>; from chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 04:55:34PM -0000
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109555@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010301165534.10688.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <20010302152044.D14668@ringworld.org>

* Christopher Palmer <chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net> [010301 13:59]:
> history. They have the Bastille Linux guy as their security person
> now, so maybe it will be getting better in that respect.

Heh. you havent tried some of the newer mandrakes?  Kevin Bullock
installed it once when i was nearby.  They have had the 'security'
settings for a good long while, probally lifted right from bastille.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 15:25:53 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Well, the lease is up soon, and we're looking for a new place to live.
Naturally I _need_ to have DSL wherever I move to, but I can't seem to
find the stupid Deployement Map on Qwest's site. In fact it's being
downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at appartments in Maple
Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...

Anyone got a link to the map or know a USEFUL number at Qwest to call? Can
I get my ISP to find out for me (hint, hint)?


-Yaron

--


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 15:27:48 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 03:25:53PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010302 15:26]:
> downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at appartments in Maple
> Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...

Yeah, but you can get a cable modem.  Oh yeah, you want to be an IPv4
whore and they wont let you. pity.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 15:27:48 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 03:25:53PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010302 15:26]:
> downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at appartments in Maple
> Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...

Yeah, but you can get a cable modem.  Oh yeah, you want to be an IPv4
whore and they wont let you. pity.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From chrome at real-time.com  Fri Mar  2 15:37:19 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109571@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 11:01:48AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109571@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010302153719.O32185@real-time.com>

> Whatever happened to the running kernel replacement thing awhile back?
> Someone was working on a project which would allow you to load the new
> kernel while the system was up so you didn't have to reboot or interrupt any
> running processes.  Was this part of the Realtime Linux project?

AFAIK, you still had to drop the thing to near-death in order to swap
kernels. I think you lost your uptime anyway. 
basically it amounted to a way to speed up the reboot after a kernel swap.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From destef at destef.com  Fri Mar  2 15:39:19 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021523530.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021335300.2716-100000@theo.egoode.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> Well, the lease is up soon, and we're looking for a new place to live.
> Naturally I _need_ to have DSL wherever I move to, but I can't seem to
> find the stupid Deployement Map on Qwest's site. In fact it's being
> downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at appartments in Maple
> Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...
>
> Anyone got a link to the map or know a USEFUL number at Qwest to call? Can
> I get my ISP to find out for me (hint, hint)?

"useful" and "qwaste" do not belong in the same sentence unless the
word "NOT" is used. I'd be surprised if they give you help. They wont
commit to anything until they can test YOUR new phone number--after
your moved in. The best bet you have is to locate a new place while
the current people are still there and ask them for their phone number
and have qworst check the line then. That'll make it about 90%
certain and probably the best you'll get.

I feel your pain....

>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From destef at destef.com  Fri Mar  2 15:49:42 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021342350.2716-100000@theo.egoode.com>

Ouch. That hurt...I guess me and Yaron are IP whores then. I can
live with that.

Oh, by the way, as of Nov 2000 50% of the class A's were unallocated,
40% of the class B's were unallocated, and 60% of the class C's
were unallocated. That amounts to about ~1.1 billion IP's still available
to be *assigned* to any group which includes ~5000 class C subnets.

Now who's the IP whores?? Looks to me like the IANA is...


On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010302 15:26]:
> > downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at appartments in Maple
> > Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...
>
> Yeah, but you can get a cable modem.  Oh yeah, you want to be an IPv4
> whore and they wont let you. pity.
>
>


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar  2 15:49:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109578@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://www.dslreports.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:39 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:
> 
> >   Hi,
> >
> > Well, the lease is up soon, and we're looking for a new 
> place to live.
> > Naturally I _need_ to have DSL wherever I move to, but I 
> can't seem to
> > find the stupid Deployement Map on Qwest's site. In fact it's being
> > downright rude. I've already wasted time looking at 
> appartments in Maple
> > Grove where apparently you can't get any Qwest services...
> >
> > Anyone got a link to the map or know a USEFUL number at 
> Qwest to call? Can
> > I get my ISP to find out for me (hint, hint)?
> 
> "useful" and "qwaste" do not belong in the same sentence unless the
> word "NOT" is used. I'd be surprised if they give you help. They wont
> commit to anything until they can test YOUR new phone number--after
> your moved in. The best bet you have is to locate a new place while
> the current people are still there and ask them for their phone number
> and have qworst check the line then. That'll make it about 90%
> certain and probably the best you'll get.
> 
> I feel your pain....
> 
> >
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From chrome at real-time.com  Fri Mar  2 15:51:54 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mosix?
In-Reply-To: <20010302165313.44429.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com>; from homebrewmike@yahoo.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 08:53:13AM -0800
References: <20010302165313.44429.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010302155154.C14294@real-time.com>

> Anybody here running Mosix?

looked at it a while ago, when I was more interested in clustering
technology. was even on the mailing list for a while. I eventually found
that I didn't have a good use for it; and stopped paying attention to it.

Mosix is a good clustering solution, for running portable, batch-oriented
jobs. (students compiling large programs, long dbase queries, etc). beyond that, it
doesn't seem very useful.

What did you have in mind for it?

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  2 15:54:26 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021342350.2716-100000@theo.egoode.com>; from destef@destef.com on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 01:49:42PM -0800
References: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021342350.2716-100000@theo.egoode.com>
Message-ID: <20010302155426.F14668@ringworld.org>

* Jason DeStefano <destef@destef.com> [010302 15:51]:
> Oh, by the way, as of Nov 2000 50% of the class A's were unallocated,

Please, restate your values in 'contigious' ASN space avaliable.  It's
not the IP's, 'tis the size of the farking routing table.  The more you
put force on ISP's to get more AS's, the more they either renumber
(suck!) or are forced to have more than one ASN. 

Both blow.  Nevermind ARIN is pushing that more people go towards name
based hosting.  Why would ARIN ask that if they didn't think there was a
problem?

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 16:03:22 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021557470.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> Yeah, but you can get a cable modem.  Oh yeah, you want to be an IPv4
> whore and they wont let you. pity.

I only need one IP address. But I _do_ need to have it be the same one all
the time. So in fact, I use LESS IP addresses than cable. (:

I also need to be able to run many services on it.

-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 16:08:25 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109578@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021603500.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> http://www.dslreports.com

Wow, this site's pretty cool.

Thanks!


-Yaron

--


From drew at usfamily.net  Fri Mar  2 10:22:47 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Is there something wrong?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021557470.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A9FC8D6.BDECA7D4@usfamily.net>

Is there something wrong with Gladiator? I've been trying to do a RedHat FTP
install for the last 2 days. Last night I left it installing and came back
today and the system just stopped in the middle of the download. So I rebooted
and am now trying to start the installation again but cant seem to be able to
read the package information. It gets to the Reading Package information
prompt and just hangs there. It's been about 10 minnutes now and nothing
happened.



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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  2 16:34:03 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *LOL*
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021633180.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Oh my god!

On a whim I tried running winipcfg under wine.... and it works! Complete
with knowing interface names (eth0 and lo)!!!

Man, those Wine developers are wizards.


-Yaron

--


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar  2 16:34:14 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Where is DSL available?
References: <20010302152748.E14668@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103021342350.2716-100000@theo.egoode.com> <20010302155426.F14668@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3AA01FE6.816C91D3@tc.umn.edu>

Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> * Jason DeStefano <destef@destef.com> [010302 15:51]:
> > Oh, by the way, as of Nov 2000 50% of the class A's were unallocated,
> 
> Please, restate your values in 'contigious' ASN space avaliable.  It's
> not the IP's, 'tis the size of the farking routing table.  The more you
> put force on ISP's to get more AS's, the more they either renumber
> (suck!) or are forced to have more than one ASN.
> 
> Both blow.  Nevermind ARIN is pushing that more people go towards name
> based hosting.  Why would ARIN ask that if they didn't think there was a
> problem?

Isn't this kind of silly, though, since IPv6 is available in modern host
and router operating systems?  I guess there's the problem of
re-numbering things, but it would certainly pay off in the long run..
(says me, who only knows trivial bits about `real' networking)

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From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar  2 19:18:11 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup revisited
Message-ID: <3AA04653.FD990F8D@mninter.net>

Okay, so I got my ISDN line in.  Configured it using Slack's pppsetup. 
When I initiate the ppp-go script I get the following:

Serial connection established.
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttuS0
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Modem hangup
Connection terminated.


Any ideas?  Do I need to setup dial script, or should I try using CHAP
instead of PAP or something else?


Thanks.


Shawn

From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar  2 20:06:32 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CyberCash Restructuring Letter to Customers
Message-ID: <20010302200632.C8885@real-time.com>

Got this email. Cybercash is going into the toilet.

So, what other online credit card processing companies are out there?

> CyberCash Restructuring Letter to Customers
> 
> 
> March 2, 2001
> 
> To Our Valued Customers:
> 
> As many of you know, on December 14, 2000, CyberCash announced 
> its intention to merge with Network 1 Financial Corp., a premier supplier 
> of payment processing systems and Internet payment services, to create 
> a single entity to offer the industry's most fully integrated payment 
> solution for both Internet and physical world merchants.  The 
> combination of CyberCash and Network 1 would enable CyberCash to 
> offer its customers a one-stop solution for payment processing and 
> merchant account services packaged for simplicity and economy.
> 
> While we have made tremendous strides over the last several months in 
> completing the merger, conditions in the capital markets prevent 
> CyberCash from completing the financing necessary to close the merger 
> as planned.  
> 
> In light of these events, the companies have terminated their existing 
> merger agreement and have entered into an asset purchase agreement 
> under which Network 1 will acquire all of CyberCash's operating assets.  
> As part of this strategy, CyberCash today elected to utilize the 
> procedures offered by Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.  
> 
> Please rest assured that we will continue to provide the same high 
> quality customer service that has made us the world leader in payment 
> processing.  As these plans develop, we will send you additional 
> communications.
> 
> For more information, please go to 
> http://www.cybercash.com/restructure. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Daniel Lynch
> Chairman and CEO
> CyberCash Inc.

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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Fri Mar  2 21:33:42 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CyberCash Restructuring Letter to Customers
In-Reply-To: <20010302200632.C8885@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103022128030.4119-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

We've been with Heartland Payment Systems for almost a year now.  They've
got several local retail stores as customers and they've been treated
pretty well.  They use Authorize.Net as the authorizing company.  We've
been working on several custom E-Commerce packages using Authorize.Net for
the processing, TechSupport has been good, always get a live person to
work with. Heartland handles all major types of Merchant Accounts: Retail
(card in hand), Mail-Order (no card in hand), and Internet (vendor never
knows card number).  Each of these accounts can be set up often with
different discount rates and fees. I can't say the fees are high with
Heartland, RNG has a 3.35% discount rate, no per transaction fee and a $20
per month statement fee.  Wells Fargo wanted twice that much and we've
been banking there for 5 years!

What type of account are you into with Cyber(no)Cash?

Email me off list if you want contact info for Heartland or more info
about MerchAccounts.

MK


On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Got this email. Cybercash is going into the toilet.
> 
> So, what other online credit card processing companies are out there?
> 
> > CyberCash Restructuring Letter to Customers
> > 
> > 
> > March 2, 2001
> > 
> > To Our Valued Customers:
> > 
> > As many of you know, on December 14, 2000, CyberCash announced 
> > its intention to merge with Network 1 Financial Corp., a premier supplier 
> > of payment processing systems and Internet payment services, to create 
> > a single entity to offer the industry's most fully integrated payment 
> > solution for both Internet and physical world merchants.  The 
> > combination of CyberCash and Network 1 would enable CyberCash to 
> > offer its customers a one-stop solution for payment processing and 
> > merchant account services packaged for simplicity and economy.
> > 
> > While we have made tremendous strides over the last several months in 
> > completing the merger, conditions in the capital markets prevent 
> > CyberCash from completing the financing necessary to close the merger 
> > as planned.  
> > 
> > In light of these events, the companies have terminated their existing 
> > merger agreement and have entered into an asset purchase agreement 
> > under which Network 1 will acquire all of CyberCash's operating assets.  
> > As part of this strategy, CyberCash today elected to utilize the 
> > procedures offered by Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.  
> > 
> > Please rest assured that we will continue to provide the same high 
> > quality customer service that has made us the world leader in payment 
> > processing.  As these plans develop, we will send you additional 
> > communications.
> > 
> > For more information, please go to 
> > http://www.cybercash.com/restructure. 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Daniel Lynch
> > Chairman and CEO
> > CyberCash Inc.
> 
> 

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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  2 23:09:08 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *LOL*
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021633180.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103021633180.10088-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <m2r90fl9qj.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> writes:

>   Oh my god!
> 
> On a whim I tried running winipcfg under wine.... and it works! Complete
> with knowing interface names (eth0 and lo)!!!
> 
> Man, those Wine developers are wizards.

Scary!
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar  3 03:25:47 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103030321280.27610-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Darn, maybe I should've gone to the Installfest (:

Got me that 80GB HDD. Since it's so freaking huge I want to run SOME kind
of journaling filesystem on it. And since ReiserFS is in the kernel I
think it's the best choice.

I downloaded RH71 beta (Wolverine), but it doesn't seem to have the option
of actually installing onto ReiserFS, which means I'd have to redo the
whole darn then after the installation. Is there any distro that'll
install to Reiser? Or, anyone know if RH7.1 final will allow this?

Hmmm... 10am-5pm... we'll have to see when/if I wake up and feel like
lugging my gigantic machine all the way to Edina... and if the wife lets
me (;

-Yaron

--


From clay at fandre.com  Sat Mar  3 08:17:11 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103030321280.27610-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AA0FCE7.EF44BA2B@fandre.com>

If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
few times without any problems.

http://www.psouth.net/~jjk/projects/reiser-debian/

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> Darn, maybe I should've gone to the Installfest (:
> 
> Got me that 80GB HDD. Since it's so freaking huge I want to run SOME kind
> of journaling filesystem on it. And since ReiserFS is in the kernel I
> think it's the best choice.
> 
> I downloaded RH71 beta (Wolverine), but it doesn't seem to have the option
> of actually installing onto ReiserFS, which means I'd have to redo the
> whole darn then after the installation. Is there any distro that'll
> install to Reiser? Or, anyone know if RH7.1 final will allow this?
> 
> Hmmm... 10am-5pm... we'll have to see when/if I wake up and feel like
> lugging my gigantic machine all the way to Edina... and if the wife lets
> me (;
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From destef at destef.com  Sat Mar  3 09:51:40 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020316500.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
References: <20010302031136.V30564@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <200103031551.f23Fp9u03361@destef.com>

This is why PnP sucks. Every mobo i've seen with options to assign
IRQ's doesnt follow what you set--it just moves stuff around. I hate
it and i wish either someone would make a bios follow exactly what
you specify or allow cards to have pnp turned off and jumpers set...
and we should be able to assign all the IRQs (except the reserved)
not just the common 9,10,11,12 IRQ's.

I feel your pain.


At 03:19 AM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
>
>> Your bios sets these things, change the IRQ pins in bios, if you can, or
>> start re-arranging cards.
>
>Yeah, there's no way I can arrange cards so as they won't be sharing
>IRQs... thing is, the BIOS seems to be reserving SOME IRQs for... well...
>nothing! I have the printer ports disabled - why won't it shoot IRQ7 over
>to a PCI in need? And I really can't shuffle the video card around (;
>
>Everything DOES work fine... it just... annoys me.
>
>
>-Yaron
>
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From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu  Sat Mar  3 10:05:54 2001
From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
In-Reply-To: <200103012000.f21K01x28427@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10103031004440.53990-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>

Beta 1 of Mandrake 8.0 is out. It uses kernel 2.4.2 and is similiar to
redhat (scripts, file locations, uses rpm) but is, in my opinion, better.

Ben



On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jurupari wrote:

> I have been waiting for the next release of RedHat to come out 
> because I have an ATA100 card that I am havn't been able to get to 
> work with 7.0. I also have a USB camera and scanner that I was hoping 
> to get going with the 2.4.x series kernels.
> 
> Does anyone know when the next release should be expected? 
> 
> In the mean time, I thought maybe I would try one of the beta 
> versions. I know that 'fisher' is one. What is Wolverine??
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 10:50:36 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10103031004440.53990-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 10:05:54AM -0600
References: <200103012000.f21K01x28427@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10103031004440.53990-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>
Message-ID: <20010303105036.I14668@ringworld.org>

* Ben Luey <lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu> [010303 10:49]:
> Beta 1 of Mandrake 8.0 is out. It uses kernel 2.4.2 and is similiar to
> redhat (scripts, file locations, uses rpm) but is, in my opinion, better.

Yeah, but their installer doesn't support unattended installs, does it?

-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 10:58:36 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ sharing
In-Reply-To: <200103031551.f23Fp9u03361@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:51:40AM -0600
References: <20010302031136.V30564@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103020316500.8722-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <200103031551.f23Fp9u03361@destef.com>
Message-ID: <20010303105836.A6984@ringworld.org>

* Jason DeStefano <destef@destef.com> [010303 09:54]:
> This is why PnP sucks. Every mobo i've seen with options to assign

This is not PnP.  PnP was an ISA thing.  When PCI came along they
decided to have the slots<->IRQ thing be static, and then it wouldn't be
such a pita, cause in theory you shouldn't have to share irq's.  So bios
manfuctures ahd the bios hook each slots IRQ pin to an IRQ.  Generally
these are *hard coded* into your bios.  SOmetimes, though, on *nice*
boards (read: not your 99$ overclocker special) you get an option like
"PCI SlotA IRQ:" with a selection of IRQ numbers.

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar  3 13:32:39 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <3AA0FCE7.EF44BA2B@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> few times without any problems.

Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
/usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...

I guess I don't have a choice though - unless there's something that'll
convert ext2 to reiserfs. I should really read some docs...


-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar  3 13:32:39 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <3AA0FCE7.EF44BA2B@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> few times without any problems.

Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
/usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...

I guess I don't have a choice though - unless there's something that'll
convert ext2 to reiserfs. I should really read some docs...


-Yaron

--


From andyzib at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 14:54:22 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AA159FE.B4182152@ringworld.org>

There are some unofficial Debian boot disks at
http://chao.ucsd.edu/debian/boot-floppies/ for installing Debian (Potato) on
ReiserFS. Worked great for the laptop. The kernel on the disks is rather
minimal so you'll have to compile 2.2.17 or 2.2.18 with the ReiserFS patches
or get 2.4.1 or 2.4.2 going. Other than the ReiserFS options, the disks are
the same at the Potato boot disks.

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From wilson at visi.com  Sat Mar  3 16:32:14 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103031631170.26826-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> > few times without any problems.
> 
> Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
> /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
> then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...

For Debian, check out:

http://chao.ucsd.edu/debian/boot-floppies/

Good luck.

-Tim

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From wilson at visi.com  Sat Mar  3 16:32:14 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103031631170.26826-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> > few times without any problems.
> 
> Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
> /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
> then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...

For Debian, check out:

http://chao.ucsd.edu/debian/boot-floppies/

Good luck.

-Tim

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar  3 18:11:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> Yeah, but their installer doesn't support unattended 
> installs, does it?

Sure it does.  At least 7.2 and 7.1 did.  After your install is almost
complete, it asks you if you'd like to create an automated installer disk
for replication of the setup you just did.  Just click yes, insert a blank
froppy, and you're all set.

I think I'll be trying Mandrake 8.0 beta 1 on a laptop sometime this
weekend.  Hopefully it's as good as everyone says it is.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:51 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
> 
> 
> * Ben Luey <lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu> [010303 10:49]:
> > Beta 1 of Mandrake 8.0 is out. It uses kernel 2.4.2 and is 
> similiar to
> > redhat (scripts, file locations, uses rpm) but is, in my 
> opinion, better.
> 
> Yeah, but their installer doesn't support unattended 
> installs, does it?
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar  3 18:14:38 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Mandrake will let you do it.  I think you have to select "expert" install.

I put my kernel on a 15MB /boot partition which is ext2 though, I don't know
if the partition which has your kernel can be anything but ext2.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:32 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> > 
> > > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. 
> I've used it a
> > > few times without any problems.
> > 
> > Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to 
> move all of
> > /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move 
> everything back,
> > then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...
> 
> For Debian, check out:
> 
> http://chao.ucsd.edu/debian/boot-floppies/
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar  3 18:14:38 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Mandrake will let you do it.  I think you have to select "expert" install.

I put my kernel on a 15MB /boot partition which is ext2 though, I don't know
if the partition which has your kernel can be anything but ext2.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:32 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> > 
> > > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. 
> I've used it a
> > > few times without any problems.
> > 
> > Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to 
> move all of
> > /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move 
> everything back,
> > then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...
> 
> For Debian, check out:
> 
> http://chao.ucsd.edu/debian/boot-floppies/
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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> 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 18:49:25 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beta versions of RedHat
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 06:11:36PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010303184925.F6984@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010303 18:28]:
> complete, it asks you if you'd like to create an automated installer disk
> for replication of the setup you just did.  Just click yes, insert a blank

I was thinking something more infrastructure based, like redhats
kickstart.
-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 18:50:08 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 06:14:38PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010303185008.G6984@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010303 18:36]:
> Mandrake will let you do it.  I think you have to select "expert" install.
> 
> I put my kernel on a 15MB /boot partition which is ext2 though, I don't know
> if the partition which has your kernel can be anything but ext2.

Mount it with option 'notail'

(See, its not that hard to trim your posts...)

-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar  3 18:50:08 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 06:14:38PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010303185008.G6984@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010303 18:36]:
> Mandrake will let you do it.  I think you have to select "expert" install.
> 
> I put my kernel on a 15MB /boot partition which is ext2 though, I don't know
> if the partition which has your kernel can be anything but ext2.

Mount it with option 'notail'

(See, its not that hard to trim your posts...)

-- 
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From baz at mail.baz-tech.com  Sat Mar  3 20:06:58 2001
From: baz at mail.baz-tech.com (Bryan A. ZImmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives.
Message-ID: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>

Hi folks,

After the glow of the Installfest today, I took home some new
information. Previously I was unable to get my CD/RW drive working,
with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0 system.

The advice I was given was to recompile the kernel _without_
IDE-CD-ROM support, but with SCSI emulation, and then I should be able
to use the "cdrecord" program, as Bob T. was using at the Installfest
today.

I recompiled my kernel without IDE CDROM support and with SCSI emulation
support. Since nothing was mentioned about whether to leave _in_
"regular" SCSI CDROM support, I left that part as a module.

The bottom line is, I was able to use the cdrecord program (although I
still find it somewhat cryptic), but was unable to mount my CDROM drives
as usual.

I tried both the standard "mount" command which relies on /etc/fstab
(e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also  explicitly doing a mount command,
e.g. "mount -t iso9660  -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom". Each time, I got
the same message back, to the effect that I had either a "bad
superblock" on the device (I  tried several CD's, that wasn't it....) or
too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't it either, only two
partitions and "/proc" were mounted).

I tried inserting, by turns, the ide and scsi cdrom modules, with
modprobe,  to see if I could mount either my "normal" CD-ROM (DVD)
drive, or my CD/RW drive. Those modules are, specifically "ide-cd.o" and
"sr_mod.o", which both seem to  rely on the "cdrom.o" module.

In all cases, I got the same result, even after several kernel compile
re-tries. "cdrecord" now recognizes the CD/RW and the DVD drive; they
are noticed in the boot-time message sequence (dmesg),  and I can use
the program. But I can not mount the CD-ROM drives at all!

The situation I am in now is, I have to load my "new" kernel in order to
record a disk, and my old kernel; in order to mount a disk.

What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a suggestion?

This is the first time I have posted to this discussion group. I am not
new to Linux, but I am  unacquainted with the ins and outs of "cdrecord"
and CD/RW drives in general. Especially the quasi-SCSI interface
cdrecord demands.

My system is a Compaq Presario with lots of RAM running the new kernel
2.4.2 (from ftp.kernel.org) and an Athlon chip with a high processor
speed...about 1.1GHz, in theory. I am running RedHat 7.0.

Any answers would be appreciated.

I also wonder what the standard procedure is for using "cdrecord" Is it
necessary to create a CD-ROM disk image first using "mkisofs" program,
or am I missing something?

Thanks for your help...and for your patience in reading through  this.

Sincerely,

Bryan Zimmer
baz@baz-tech.com




From nam797 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  3 21:11:04 2001
From: nam797 at hotmail.com (Nathan Dahl)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] please remove me from your mailing list. Thank you  NAM797@msn.com
Message-ID: <F260Dc41W2ufyWOxbCJ0001e4fc@hotmail.com>

_________________________________________________________________
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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Mar  3 22:05:57 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives.
In-Reply-To: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>; from baz@mail.baz-tech.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:06:58PM -0500
References: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>
Message-ID: <20010303220557.A12429@real-time.com>

Quoting Bryan A. ZImmer (baz@mail.baz-tech.com):
> Hi folks,
> 
> After the glow of the Installfest today, I took home some new
> information. Previously I was unable to get my CD/RW drive working,
> with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0 system.

Compile in both.
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar  3 22:13:46 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10957E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103032212570.8847-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Mandrake will let you do it.  I think you have to select "expert" install.

Yeah, it did. But it's SO DAMN STUPID. Argh. And now Red Hat says my
partition table is unreadable! Even though fdisk has no problem! Argh.

-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar  3 22:14:57 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <20010303185008.G6984@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103032214010.8847-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> > I put my kernel on a 15MB /boot partition which is ext2 though, I don't know
> > if the partition which has your kernel can be anything but ext2.
> Mount it with option 'notail'

That's nice, but the default kernel Mandrake installs doesn't know how to
read reiser without loading a module. Nice how it told me that when I made
my / reiser.


-Yaron

--


From dkleist at acm.org  Sat Mar  3 21:48:43 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives.
In-Reply-To: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>; from baz@mail.baz-tech.com on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 20:06:58 -0600
References: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>
Message-ID: <20010303214843.A4826@coder>

Bryan,

If I remember correctly, your devices changed.  The IDE CD-ROM device
was linked from something like /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom.  Now that you
emulated them as SCSI, the CDRW device points to /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0
(on my RH6.2 system, I point to /dev/sr0).  You need to put in a link
from /dev/sr0 (or scd0) to point to /dev/cdrom.  At that point, it
should work.  

From tim at tneu.visi.com  Sat Mar  3 17:15:00 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives.
In-Reply-To: <3AA1A342.391E1DA4@baz-tech.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031708350.30235-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Bryan A. ZImmer wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> After the glow of the Installfest today, I took home some new
> information. Previously I was unable to get my CD/RW drive working,
> with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0 system.
> 
> The advice I was given was to recompile the kernel _without_
> IDE-CD-ROM support, but with SCSI emulation, and then I should be able
> to use the "cdrecord" program, as Bob T. was using at the Installfest
> today.
> 
> I recompiled my kernel without IDE CDROM support and with SCSI emulation
> support. Since nothing was mentioned about whether to leave _in_
> "regular" SCSI CDROM support, I left that part as a module.
> 
> The bottom line is, I was able to use the cdrecord program (although I
> still find it somewhat cryptic), but was unable to mount my CDROM drives
> as usual.
> 
> I tried both the standard "mount" command which relies on /etc/fstab
> (e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also  explicitly doing a mount command,
> e.g. "mount -t iso9660  -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom". Each time, I got
> the same message back, to the effect that I had either a "bad
> superblock" on the device (I  tried several CD's, that wasn't it....) or
> too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't it either, only two
> partitions and "/proc" were mounted).

My guess is the following command will work:
mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom

> I tried inserting, by turns, the ide and scsi cdrom modules, with
> modprobe,  to see if I could mount either my "normal" CD-ROM (DVD)
> drive, or my CD/RW drive. Those modules are, specifically "ide-cd.o" and
> "sr_mod.o", which both seem to  rely on the "cdrom.o" module.
> 
> In all cases, I got the same result, even after several kernel compile
> re-tries. "cdrecord" now recognizes the CD/RW and the DVD drive; they
> are noticed in the boot-time message sequence (dmesg),  and I can use
> the program. But I can not mount the CD-ROM drives at all!
> 
> The situation I am in now is, I have to load my "new" kernel in order to
> record a disk, and my old kernel; in order to mount a disk.
> 
> What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a suggestion?

When you install ide-scsi emulation, your CD-ROM drive(s) and writers show
up as SCSI devices, not their ordinary ide devices.  So their names
change. 

You need to edit /etc/fstab and change any entries that say "hdx" (where x
is your old CD-ROM drive) to "scdx" (where x would be 0 for the first CD
drive detected, 1 for the second, etc). 

You will also need to change the link in /dev.  if you run ls -l
/dev/cdrom, you will see that /dev/cdrom probably points to your former
ide device name.

> This is the first time I have posted to this discussion group. I am not
> new to Linux, but I am  unacquainted with the ins and outs of "cdrecord"
> and CD/RW drives in general. Especially the quasi-SCSI interface
> cdrecord demands.
> 
> My system is a Compaq Presario with lots of RAM running the new kernel
> 2.4.2 (from ftp.kernel.org) and an Athlon chip with a high processor
> speed...about 1.1GHz, in theory. I am running RedHat 7.0.
> 
> Any answers would be appreciated.
> 
> I also wonder what the standard procedure is for using "cdrecord" Is it
> necessary to create a CD-ROM disk image first using "mkisofs" program,
> or am I missing something?

If I were you, I'd use xcdroast.  It is a graphical front end that uses
cdrecord to do the acutal work, but is more user friendly than many
windows CD burning programs. 

> Thanks for your help...and for your patience in reading through  this.

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From creatorc at cloudnet.com  Sun Mar  4 01:34:45 2001
From: creatorc at cloudnet.com (David Neeb)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103040132360.13903-100000@homer.koala.com>

Just wondering... did you change where the symbolic link for cdrom points
to?  On my system I had to point it to /dev/sr0 after the change to scsi
emulation.  Just a thought.

-Dave

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Bryan A. ZImmer wrote:

>
> I tried both the standard "mount" command which relies on /etc/fstab
> (e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also  explicitly doing a mount command,
> e.g. "mount -t iso9660  -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom". Each time, I got
> the same message back, to the effect that I had either a "bad
> superblock" on the device (I  tried several CD's, that wasn't it....) or
> too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't it either, only two
> partitions and "/proc" were mounted).


From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Mar  4 02:48:10 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109582@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> That's nice, but the default kernel Mandrake installs doesn't 
> know how to
> read reiser without loading a module. Nice how it told me 
> that when I made
> my / reiser.

Shouldn't the initrd image take care of this?  Or does mandrake not generate
the initrd image correctly?

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar  4 03:36:49 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Woooooo
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103040336060.12872-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok. I have now officially recovered deleted files under Linux.

Time for bed!

-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar  4 03:43:40 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109582@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103040342070.12872-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Shouldn't the initrd image take care of this?  Or does mandrake not generate
> the initrd image correctly?

I don't know - I took care of it. boot into rescue, mount the reiser, move
files, mke2fs, move back. Then install Red Hat on it.

Then notice Wolverine formats partitions you told it NOT to, so your old
/etc/ is gone and X won'r work right now.

Next: Fun with vi and a toothpick.


-Yaron

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar  4 05:01:15 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiserfs Q (can't find it on the FAQ)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103040459190.17199-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok, I've got reiserfs on a bunch of partitions here. Seems to work fine,
with one slight problem...

When I boot up it says something about, well, reiserprogs version
3.something starting, and that it'll send logging to stderr.

Then it apparently waits for a keypress. Once you press Enter you see it's
been asking "Do you want to run this program? (Yes/no)".

WTF?


-Yaron

--


From blutgens at sistina.com  Sun Mar  4 09:27:44 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall Box
In-Reply-To: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENIEJKCAAA.brianj@medilinks.net>
Message-ID: <200103041527.f24FRsl08391@sprite.real-time.com>

On 02 Mar 2001 08:55:58 -0600, Brian J. Ackermann wrote:
> Hey all...
> 


You could call my dad. He's always taking stuff in on trade from his
clients. Or email him at
swinhart@nexgen-systems.com.


> Does anybody know where to get equipment like this?  I went to MPC
> yesterday, but their systems are a bit more than I need...hate to waste the
> components I'd be paying for and not using...Ebay seems to have plenty to
> offer, but I'm not really all that up on paying more for shipping than I am
> for the hardware itself....
> 
> So, any place local?
> 
> Please advise,
> Brian
> 
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From blutgens at sistina.com  Sun Mar  4 09:30:07 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <200103041530.f24FUGl08438@sprite.real-time.com>

On 03 Mar 2001 13:32:39 -0600, Yaron wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> > few times without any problems.
> 
> Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
> /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
> then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...

Suse 7.1 does it on install.


> 
> I guess I don't have a choice though - unless there's something that'll
> convert ext2 to reiserfs. I should really read some docs...
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
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> 
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Sun Mar  4 09:36:03 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
In-Reply-To: <20010302104309.C14668@ringworld.org>
References: <0G9K005C4NBXEL@mail1.supervalu.com>
	<20010302155609.13311.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> 
	<20010302104309.C14668@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <200103041536.f24FaCl08501@sprite.real-time.com>

On 02 Mar 2001 10:43:09 -0600, Scott Dier wrote:
> >    Actually I'd bet that most of the people on this list use windows
> >    90% and then go and tell people how high tech they are and that
> >    thier running linux.
> 
> Wow.  Too bad I dont even dual boot my home machine anymore, and I
> happen to manage a slue of redhat/linux and unix machines at work.  I do
> my day-to-day mostly in linux.  The only things outside of that is using
> the Lucent Firewalling java stuff ( it only seems to work in windows
> correctly) and NFR client.  But the NFR server *is* bsd. :)

I installed windows under vmware so I could use turbotax.  Other than
that, I use linux at home and work all the time. I sometimes work with
my dad in my spare time and have to touch some windows boxes. It makes
me sick to my stomach. Mostly I work on samba servers for him.


> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall


From clay at fandre.com  Sun Mar  4 10:50:47 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser/other journalling FS?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103031331210.2584-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AA27267.BC171F7F@fandre.com>

This HOWTO actually does do it in the installation. Basically you go
into the shell BEFORE the installation and make / reiserfs. THEN you
install the OS. Very slick.

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > If you want to install it on Debian, here's a nice HOWTO. I've used it a
> > few times without any problems.
> 
> Nah, I want the installation to have it, so I don't have to move all of
> /usr/local somewhere else, mkreiserfs /usr/local/, move everything back,
> then do the same for /home, /var, /, etc, etc...
> 
> I guess I don't have a choice though - unless there's something that'll
> convert ext2 to reiserfs. I should really read some docs...
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From clay at fandre.com  Sun Mar  4 11:12:48 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
Message-ID: <3AA27790.C0501F09@fandre.com>

First of all I'd like to thank Stephen O'Connor for allowing us to use
Benchmark Learning (http://www.benchmarklearning.com) for the
installfest. It's not easy hosting an installfest, and I appreciate all
the time and energy he gave to help us out. Also thanks to Bob and Amy
from Real-Time (http://www.real-time.com) for bringing in Gladiator (the
FTP server) and for burning the CDs for everyone. And last but not
least, I'd like to thank all those that volunteered to help other
TCLUG'ers. I got a lot of positive feedback from a lot of thankful
users.

Overall the installfest went really well. From my count we had around 50
luggers show up and we pretty much packed the place. It was a little
cramped and hopefully we can find a bigger place to hold the next one.
(But beggars can't be chooses, right?) I you didn't make it I've put up
some pictures so you can see what you missed:
http://www.mn-linux.org/phpix/?mode=album&album=TCLUG%2F2001_03_Installfest

I received a lot of positive feedback from a lot of you, but I'd also
like to hear from everyone on how we can improve future installfests. So
please let me know of any ideas you may have.
http://www.mn-linux.org/feedback/

Thanks.

Clay
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Mar  4 12:56:47 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109583@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> I installed windows under vmware so I could use turbotax.  

There's a web version of Turbotax that you can use which is supposed to be
just as good as the windows version.  http://www.turbotax.com


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 13:13:24 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD record problem
In-Reply-To: <200103040533.f245XPl30571@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010304191324.65423.qmail@web10110.mail.yahoo.com>

i think the problem lies in the symbolic links
/dev/cdrom, it is still pointing towards /dev/hdxx
(which would be correct if yours cdrom were still
IDE)

now it sould point to something scd0 (or the equiv. on
your machine)

so simply remove the old link, rm /dev/cdrom
create a new one, ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom

now you should be ready to burn...

 -munir

> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:06:58 -0500
> From: "Bryan A. ZImmer" <baz@mail.baz-tech.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and
> CD/RW drives.
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> After the glow of the Installfest today, I took
home
> some new
> information. Previously I was unable to get my
CD/RW
> drive working,
> with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0
> system.
> 
> The advice I was given was to recompile the kernel
> _without_
> IDE-CD-ROM support, but with SCSI emulation, and
> then I should be able
> to use the "cdrecord" program, as Bob T. was using
> at the Installfest
> today.
> 
> I recompiled my kernel without IDE CDROM support
and
> with SCSI emulation
> support. Since nothing was mentioned about whether
> to leave _in_
> "regular" SCSI CDROM support, I left that part as a
> module.
> 
> The bottom line is, I was able to use the cdrecord
> program (although I
> still find it somewhat cryptic), but was unable to
> mount my CDROM drives
> as usual.
> 
> I tried both the standard "mount" command which
> relies on /etc/fstab
> (e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also  explicitly
doing
> a mount command,
> e.g. "mount -t iso9660  -o ro /dev/cdrom
> /mnt/cdrom". Each time, I got
> the same message back, to the effect that I had
> either a "bad
> superblock" on the device (I  tried several CD's,
> that wasn't it....) or
> too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't
it
> either, only two
> partitions and "/proc" were mounted).
> 
> I tried inserting, by turns, the ide and scsi cdrom
> modules, with
> modprobe,  to see if I could mount either my
> "normal" CD-ROM (DVD)
> drive, or my CD/RW drive. Those modules are,
> specifically "ide-cd.o" and
> "sr_mod.o", which both seem to  rely on the
> "cdrom.o" module.
> 
> In all cases, I got the same result, even after
> several kernel compile
> re-tries. "cdrecord" now recognizes the CD/RW and
> the DVD drive; they
> are noticed in the boot-time message sequence
> (dmesg),  and I can use
> the program. But I can not mount the CD-ROM drives
> at all!
> 
> The situation I am in now is, I have to load my
> "new" kernel in order to
> record a disk, and my old kernel; in order to mount
> a disk.
> 
> What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a
> suggestion?
> 
> This is the first time I have posted to this
> discussion group. I am not
> new to Linux, but I am  unacquainted with the ins
> and outs of "cdrecord"
> and CD/RW drives in general. Especially the
> quasi-SCSI interface
> cdrecord demands.
> 
> My system is a Compaq Presario with lots of RAM
> running the new kernel
> 2.4.2 (from ftp.kernel.org) and an Athlon chip with
> a high processor
> speed...about 1.1GHz, in theory. I am running
RedHat
> 7.0.
> 
> Any answers would be appreciated.
> 
> I also wonder what the standard procedure is for
> using "cdrecord" Is it
> necessary to create a CD-ROM disk image first using
> "mkisofs" program,
> or am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks for your help...and for your patience in
> reading through  this.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bryan Zimmer
> baz@baz-tech.com
> 


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From sos at zjod.net  Sun Mar  4 14:23:39 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Accuracy of "syslogd -m $HEARTBEAT"?
Message-ID: <200103042023.OAA32684@zjod.net>

Anyone out there know how accurate the production of "-- MARK --" lines are
when using "syslogd -m $HEARTBEAT"?

The reason I ask is that some entries in my /var/log/messages file have time
gaps preceeding some "-- MARK --" lines that are greater than the heartbeat
interval... which makes me nervous.

thanks,

-S



From fertch at mninter.net  Sun Mar  4 19:00:04 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NFS question
Message-ID: <3AA2E514.67247693@mninter.net>

Since I got my desktop loaded with Slackware 7.1 yesterday (A big thanks
to all who helped, a couple of whom I didn't get names on were highly
invaluable), I'm now getting the network portions going.

What I'm doing is setting up one of my servers to be the print server. 
Following through the directions on network printer setup, there's
mention that I need to have an NFS share for the print spooling to go
to.  The directions I'm following are very Red Hat biased.  

In a nutshell, here's what the directions say:

1. Ensure the package is installed.
2. Insert export statements into /etc/exports file
3. Restart nfs daemon.

I believe the package is installed.  I modified the /etc/exports file on
the print server with the following statement:

/shares/print	*.domain.com

When I try to mount the NFS directory on a remote machine, I get the
following error:

mount: <server>:/shares/print failed, reason given by server: Permission
denied

Permissions on the /shares and the /print subdirectory are both 777.  Is
it because I don't have NFS installed or something else?  I've gone
through pkgtool on the server to try and find which package has NFS in
it, but nothing jumps out at me.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks,

Shawn

From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Sun Mar  4 21:50:16 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] rpm compiles
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010304213721.00b81580@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I have a source file for a drive for a usb device.  I am trying to get it 
to create a binary.  I have looked at www.rpm.source and tried various 
combinations of options.  The one that I think should work was rpm -bb 
usb-.0.2.spec.  I have looked at the man pages and am not having any 
luck.  Would someone tell me how to build a binary from an rpm source 
package, please

John Miller


From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Sun Mar  4 22:03:35 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] lookin for a modem
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010304213721.00b81580@pop.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010304220102.22691A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

I'm givin away a pentium to a family freind and all my modems are kaput.
Does anyone have a 33.6, or even 28.8 that will work under 98 that they
want to unload for a couple of bucks? 

Colin


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar  4 22:16:17 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RH/Mandrake betas
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103042211550.29559-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

THEY BOTH SUCK!

Mandrake is just completely freaked out - a lot of things weren't doing
what they're supposed to (aterm, for example). Might be a beta thing but I
dunno.

Wolverine formats every partition it sees even when you tell it not to,
and for the first time I ran into gcc 2.96 problems - things wouldn't
build right. I tried to build gcc 2.95 with it and THAT didn't work! Argh.

So I put FreeBSD on... since there was a network outage (Bob!!!) I
couldn't DL a new image so I put 4.1.1 on and have been cvsup and make
worlding for a few hours (;

Probably go back to Linux eventually, when FreeBSD does the Really-Slow-X
thing. When I finally get X up... (:

-Yaron

--


From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Mar  4 22:28:24 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RH/Mandrake betas
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103042211550.29559-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 10:16:17PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103042211550.29559-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010304222824.A8499@real-time.com>

Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com):
> So I put FreeBSD on... since there was a network outage (Bob!!!) I
> couldn't DL a new image so I put 4.1.1 on and have been cvsup and make
> worlding for a few hours (;

No network outages have been recorded in days.

Do you mean you could not get to ftp.mn-linux.org?
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Mar  4 23:19:45 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] rpm compiles
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109585@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

rpm -ba whatever.spec

If you have the whatever.src.rpm, you can do a rpm --rebuild
whatever.src.rpm and that will do it for you.  The built rpm will end up in
/usr/src/RPMS/, or somewhere under /usr/src depending on your distro.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Miller [mailto:johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] rpm compiles
> 
> 
> I have a source file for a drive for a usb device.  I am 
> trying to get it 
> to create a binary.  I have looked at www.rpm.source and 
> tried various 
> combinations of options.  The one that I think should work 
> was rpm -bb 
> usb-.0.2.spec.  I have looked at the man pages and am not having any 
> luck.  Would someone tell me how to build a binary from an rpm source 
> package, please
> 
> John Miller
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 00:55:10 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103042211550.29559-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305004558.23306A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

I upgraded to HR 7.0 tonight and in the process lilo deep sixed itself.
All it does is "LI".  Win2k prof is on sda1 and RH os on Sdb6.  I have an
additional scsi drive dedicated to linux and a ide drive dedicated to
windows.  I have tried to reinstall lilo on sda where it should be but it
doesn't take.  

HELP
Colin Kilbane


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar  5 01:17:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109586@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Add a line to lilo.conf that reads "linear", then rerun lilo and reboot.

Some drives need this option to work with LILO.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin Kilbane [mailto:colin@tyr.med.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:55 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
> 
> 
> I upgraded to HR 7.0 tonight and in the process lilo deep 
> sixed itself.
> All it does is "LI".  Win2k prof is on sda1 and RH os on 
> Sdb6.  I have an
> additional scsi drive dedicated to linux and a ide drive dedicated to
> windows.  I have tried to reinstall lilo on sda where it 
> should be but it
> doesn't take.  
> 
> HELP
> Colin Kilbane
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 01:25:55 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109586@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

It already is in linear mode.

When I try to rerun lilo it gives me
Added linux
Added linux-up
Added dos
Fatal: No images have been defined.

Do you know what that last line means?

Colin Kilbane


From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 06:56:37 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
In-Reply-To: <3AA27790.C0501F09@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010305125637.61305.qmail@web5406.mail.yahoo.com>

Clay, The Microsoft Certified Solutions Partner on the
the walls in the pix is a great touch! :)


--- Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com> wrote:
> First of all I'd like to thank Stephen O'Connor for
> allowing us to use
> Benchmark Learning
> (http://www.benchmarklearning.com) for the
> installfest. It's not easy hosting an installfest,
> and I appreciate all
> the time and energy he gave to help us out. Also
> thanks to Bob and Amy
> from Real-Time (http://www.real-time.com) for
> bringing in Gladiator (the
> FTP server) and for burning the CDs for everyone.
> And last but not
> least, I'd like to thank all those that volunteered
> to help other
> TCLUG'ers. I got a lot of positive feedback from a
> lot of thankful
> users.
> 
> Overall the installfest went really well. From my
> count we had around 50
> luggers show up and we pretty much packed the place.
> It was a little
> cramped and hopefully we can find a bigger place to
> hold the next one.
> (But beggars can't be chooses, right?) I you didn't
> make it I've put up
> some pictures so you can see what you missed:
>
http://www.mn-linux.org/phpix/?mode=album&album=TCLUG%2F2001_03_Installfest
> 
> I received a lot of positive feedback from a lot of
> you, but I'd also
> like to hear from everyone on how we can improve
> future installfests. So
> please let me know of any ideas you may have.
> http://www.mn-linux.org/feedback/
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Clay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-announce mailing list
> tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 09:01:01 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA3AA2D.888E497B@tc.umn.edu>

Colin Kilbane wrote:
> 
> It already is in linear mode.
> 
> When I try to rerun lilo it gives me
> Added linux
> Added linux-up
> Added dos
> Fatal: No images have been defined.
> 
> Do you know what that last line means?

Looks like you have lines that are valid `label='s, but you don't have
any correct `image='s

Post your lilo.conf

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Mon Mar  5 09:01:41 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com>

Post your lilo.conf file please.

sim

Colin Kilbane wrote:

> It already is in linear mode.
>
> When I try to rerun lilo it gives me
> Added linux
> Added linux-up
> Added dos
> Fatal: No images have been defined.
>
> Do you know what that last line means?
>
> Colin Kilbane
>
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From kethry at winternet.com  Mon Mar  5 09:32:10 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109585@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103050925230.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
originally.

I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys 
NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
vendor.

Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
thorny issue in the house.

Anyone have any experience with this card?

Thanks, 
Liz

-- 
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e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From kethry at winternet.com  Mon Mar  5 09:35:39 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103050925230.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103050935170.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

ok - tired-eyed-me - I do have the ne2000 driver, I just wasn't looking at
it correctly.

Thanks, 
Liz

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:

> 
> Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
> I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
> originally.
> 
> I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys 
> NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
> driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
> figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
> in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
> lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
> listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
> that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
> reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
> Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
> vendor.
> 
> Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
> get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
> thorny issue in the house.
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this card?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Liz
> 
> 

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
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From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Mar  5 09:47:57 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
Message-ID: <20010305094757.A13813@coder>

Well, just got castoff by Onvoy (IDSL service).  Since Earthlink now
wants to charge double for IDSL ($129 month), I think it's time for
alternatives.  I can't have ADSL/SDSL (greater than 20,000 ft), but
cable is in my neighborhood.  RR has a self-install kit (Windows only)
that gets me a discount.  Does anyone know what's in this thing?  Can I
get away with lying and saying I have Windows, then installing onto my
firewall?

Sorry if this is a repeat question, I checked the archives and didn't
see anything on this.  

TIA,

           - Dave
-- 
Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 09:42:40 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103050925230.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>; from kethry@winternet.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:32:10AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109585@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103050925230.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010305094240.B15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Did you try loading a module for it?  Try modprobe ne2k-pci (IIRC), or
modprobe tulip.

Gabe

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:32:10AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
> I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
> originally.
> 
> I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys 
> NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
> driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
> figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
> in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
> lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
> listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
> that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
> reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
> Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
> vendor.
> 
> Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
> get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
> thorny issue in the house.
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this card?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Liz
> 
> -- 
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
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From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Mon Mar  5 09:16:41 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
In-Reply-To: <20010305094757.A13813@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:47:57AM -0600
References: <20010305094757.A13813@coder>
Message-ID: <20010305091641.A19207@mn.rr.com>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:47:57AM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote:
> Well, just got castoff by Onvoy (IDSL service).  Since Earthlink now
> wants to charge double for IDSL ($129 month), I think it's time for
> alternatives.  I can't have ADSL/SDSL (greater than 20,000 ft), but
> cable is in my neighborhood.  RR has a self-install kit (Windows only)
> that gets me a discount.  Does anyone know what's in this thing?  Can I
> get away with lying and saying I have Windows, then installing onto my
> firewall?

  roadrunner self-install kit == shiny new coaster

When the RR guys came to "install" (plug in) my cable modem, 
I showed them the Linux box I planned on hooking it up to.
Their response was, "oh".  Haven't heard a thing since.
Dhcpcd works fine; connectivity is mostly OK.

J


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 09:49:55 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
In-Reply-To: <20010305094757.A13813@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:47:57AM -0600
References: <20010305094757.A13813@coder>
Message-ID: <20010305094955.J6984@ringworld.org>

* Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org> [010305 09:47]:
> cable is in my neighborhood.  RR has a self-install kit (Windows only)
> that gets me a discount.  Does anyone know what's in this thing?  Can I

They come out and test your line, ask a 'questionarre' that we put 'good
enough' and 'really fast' on in all the entries, and then say goodbye!

Worked great for us.  The installer was even interested in our use of
linux/bsd.  (We use OpenBSD mostly because ipf/ipnat kicks the crap out
of other things.)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From kethry at winternet.com  Mon Mar  5 10:02:44 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
In-Reply-To: <20010305094240.B15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103051002040.1379-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Am trying that now to no success - unfortunately I'm running into the RH
7.0 bug listed on the scyld site - so I'm working with the work around and
it's still not working *argh*

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> Did you try loading a module for it?  Try modprobe ne2k-pci (IIRC), or
> modprobe tulip.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:32:10AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
> > I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
> > originally.
> > 
> > I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys 
> > NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
> > driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
> > figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
> > in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
> > lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
> > listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
> > that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
> > reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
> > Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
> > vendor.
> > 
> > Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
> > get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
> > thorny issue in the house.
> > 
> > Anyone have any experience with this card?
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Liz
> > 
> > -- 
> > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > 
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> 
> 

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From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 10:09:07 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
In-Reply-To: <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305100329.24008A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

Thanks for the effort guys.  When I took a look over my lilo.conf to post
it I found the error.  When I upgraded to RH 7 it reran lilo and renamed
my windows handel from win to dos, but it didn't change the default boot
to dos, thus there was no correct image for win when it attempted to load.
Before that it it also had attempted to assign the "dos" handel to hda, a
windows storage drive, since it was the first drive it encountered instead
of the real win drive sda1.  I had to remove hda from the system, boot
from emergency floppy, and rerun lilo with a modified lilo.conf to reflect
the name change. Then I had to slap my system back toghether and it
worked!

Thanks!
Colin Kilbane


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar  5 10:07:11 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506E1@mail2.ROG.COM>

check to see of the module is installed - lsmod.
if not install tulip and give it a try - insmod tulip
I have a Linksys card (I don't know which on right off the bat) and I use
the tulip driver.  

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:32 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted



Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
originally.

I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys 
NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
vendor.

Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
thorny issue in the house.

Anyone have any experience with this card?

Thanks, 
Liz

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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 10:22:37 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506E1@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <00e801c0a590$7ee3dcf0$3028680a@tgt.com>

The tulip driver should work for ALL of the Linksys PCI 10/100 (TX?) cards
version 1.0 through 4.1.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller, John" <JMiller2@dainrauscher.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted


> check to see of the module is installed - lsmod.
> if not install tulip and give it a try - insmod tulip
> I have a Linksys card (I don't know which on right off the bat) and I use
> the tulip driver.
>
> John Miller
> Dain Rauscher Inc.
> Application Services
> IS Capital Markets
> Phone 612-547-7573
> Fax 612-547-7580
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
>
>
>
> Sorry guys - I realize we had just had this discussion, but...evidently
> I'm missing something in the archives, and had missed the Linksys debate
> originally.
>
> I don't have the card you guys were discussing - I have the Linksys
> NC100 v2. Supposedly on the Linksys site, I would either use the ne2000
> driver or the tulip driver - ne2000 isn't listed in RH 7.0, and I can't
> figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing. I've tried looking for it
> in proc/pci (card is not listed). I've tried looking for the driver using
> lsmod, and nothing pertaining to ethernet cards is listed. The IRQ is
> listed as 11, and the i/o base is 6000. I can't find any conflicts, but
> that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've also looked at dmesg and found no
> reference to any NIC drivers. When I look at the PCI info using KDE
> Control Panel, I do find reference to an Ethernet Controller, unknown
> vendor.
>
> Anyway - I can't figure out how to get this card running. If I _have_ to
> get a new card I will, but I'd rather not, considering it's already a
> thorny issue in the house.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this card?
>
> Thanks,
> Liz
>
> --
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 10:21:21 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
References: <20010305094757.A13813@coder> <20010305094955.J6984@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <00df01c0a590$51ae3960$3028680a@tgt.com>

Hey -- how is the ports collection on OpenBSD?  Can it compare to FreeBSD at
all.  I have IPFILTER running on my FreeBSD machine - but it doesn't work
with Bridging and bridging is broken again on FreeBSD-STABLE.  I would use
the new bridging code from Linux for this -- but I have not found a Linux
distro to suit my needs (I want to be able to rebuild the world at any time
and to optimize the build for my CPU -- there is not a single Linux that
will do this nicely).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dier" <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit

* Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org> [010305 09:47]:
> cable is in my neighborhood.  RR has a self-install kit (Windows only)
> that gets me a discount.  Does anyone know what's in this thing?  Can I

They come out and test your line, ask a 'questionarre' that we put 'good
enough' and 'really fast' on in all the entries, and then say goodbye!

Worked great for us.  The installer was even interested in our use of
linux/bsd.  (We use OpenBSD mostly because ipf/ipnat kicks the crap out
of other things.)

--
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall



From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 10:39:44 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
In-Reply-To: <00df01c0a590$51ae3960$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 10:21:21AM -0600
References: <20010305094757.A13813@coder> <20010305094955.J6984@ringworld.org> <00df01c0a590$51ae3960$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010305103944.C15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

No, the ports system doesn't come close to that of FreeBSD, but it's also a
much lower prioirty.  AFAIK, OpenBSD doesn't have people dedicated to
making ports, like FreeBSD does.  Though, I'd hardly use as many ports on
OpenBSD as I do on FreeBSD.  IMHO, OpenBSD doesn't really need most of the
ports that FreeBSD has, since you're less likely to run as much junk on it
(well, at least I'm not).

Bridging on Open BSD works great.  I'm not sure if the ipfilter you have on
your FreeBSD system is that same as that in OpenBSD 2.8, or not.  I highly
doubt that the OpenBSD developers would let a brken ipf slip though.

Gabe

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 10:21:21AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Hey -- how is the ports collection on OpenBSD?  Can it compare to FreeBSD at
> all.  I have IPFILTER running on my FreeBSD machine - but it doesn't work
> with Bridging and bridging is broken again on FreeBSD-STABLE.  I would use
> the new bridging code from Linux for this -- but I have not found a Linux
> distro to suit my needs (I want to be able to rebuild the world at any time
> and to optimize the build for my CPU -- there is not a single Linux that
> will do this nicely).
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Dier" <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner self-install kit
> 
> * Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org> [010305 09:47]:
> > cable is in my neighborhood.  RR has a self-install kit (Windows only)
> > that gets me a discount.  Does anyone know what's in this thing?  Can I
> 
> They come out and test your line, ask a 'questionarre' that we put 'good
> enough' and 'really fast' on in all the entries, and then say goodbye!
> 
> Worked great for us.  The installer was even interested in our use of
> linux/bsd.  (We use OpenBSD mostly because ipf/ipnat kicks the crap out
> of other things.)
> 
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
> 
> 
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From homebrewmike at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 11:15:48 2001
From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mosix
Message-ID: <20010305171548.48955.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com>

>I eventually found that I didn't have a good 
>use for it; and stopped paying attention to it.

>What did you have in mind for it?
I'm mostly just playing with it to understand what it
can and can't do.   What I have wanted to do, though,
is to try it over the 'net, and see how well it works
- of course, I need someone on the other side of the
net who would be willing to try it as well :)

Mosix struck me as being a bit more user friendly than
Beowulf, although that might not be true.

Cheers-
  -Mike

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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 11:15:56 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Well, I just got my 1-month notice from Onvoy.. they are going to cut my
DSL over to EarthLink at the end of the month, who for my current setup,
will be charging $150/mo(!) for home DSL. (It's because it's 384k SDSL).

So, my question is, who offers good DSL over Covad lines? Probably can't
get DSL from Qworst.. the best looking company I've seen so far is
InternetConnect; anyone hav experience with them?

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Mar  5 11:17:31 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506E1@mail2.ROG.COM> <00e801c0a590$7ee3dcf0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <3AA3CA2B.54542915@ltiflex.com>

> The tulip driver should work for ALL of the Linksys PCI 10/100 (TX?) cards
> version 1.0 through 4.1.

*sounds the big buzzer* Sorry, you loose. No million bucks for you today.
The Tulip driver in kernels through 2.2.18 will NOT work with version 4.1
cards. (Unless I'm doing something really really wrong!) You have to grab
the latest drivers from http://www.scyld.com/network/ (on on the included
floppy), compile, install, then modprobe pci-scan && modprobe tulip. Then
revision 4.1 cards will work on 2.2.18. (This is quite a pain when
installing...)

The revision 4.1 cards do work fine on 2.4.1 and 2.4.2, didn't try 2.4.0 but
I assume they work there too. 

As for what driver do you need, I don't see any reference to a NC100 on
linksys's site. (Didn't look very hard so I may have missed it.) A quick
rundown of drivers:

ne or ne2k: Linksys ISA cards.
ne2k-pci: Linksys PCI 10baseT and coax cards.
tulip: Linksys PCI 10/100 cards.

With the pci based, you should be able to simply modprobe module and be
ready to go. With the ISA cards you will have to figure out what resources
they are using. Utilties for doing so are on your driver disks or from the
Linksys site. If you don't have a dos boot floppy, I keep an image of one at
http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/disks.

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From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 11:42:26 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mosix
In-Reply-To: <20010305171548.48955.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com>; from homebrewmike@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:15:48AM -0800
References: <20010305171548.48955.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010305114226.I21762@real-time.com>

> Mosix struck me as being a bit more user friendly than
> Beowulf, although that might not be true.

AFAIK, they do rather different things. Mosix moves processes to machines
that are lightly loaded, from machines that are more heavily loaded.
Beowulf breaks up a large problem into many smaller ones, and the nodes
communicate with the Message Passing Interface and Parallel Virtual Machine
APIs.

Neither will do failover/redundancy.

it's a matter of choosing the appropriate clustering technology for the job
your trying to do.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From jasonj at talkware.net  Mon Mar  5 11:49:37 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>

I am in the same boat as you. Onvoy kicking me off my 768k.

I was going to go with SpeakEasy's "Trader" SDSL 768k package that has
unlimited Dailup for my laptop when I am on the road (I dont know about
1-800 access for that dialup or not). But its alittle spendy at $150/month.
This is the easiest conversion for me as there is no equipment change. But
as I dont trust that Covad will stay in business, I am looking to switch to
Qwest. I think I may be able to get a faster connection through Qwest for
similar money, but I havent checked everything yet.

I think this pricing is only for DSL (MegaBit) capability on the line:
http://www.qwest.com/dsl/learn/pricing2.html

I think these are the service (Qwest.net ISP) prices that get added to the
above line prices:
http://www.qwest.net/nav4/solutions/internet/iapricing.html

If someone knows better, let me know.

So from those pages it looks like I could get a 960 (or 1meg) connection
for about $170 a month. And a 640k (or 768k) connection for about $110.
Since the speeds on each page dont quite match, I am not sure.




Nate Carlson wrote:

> Well, I just got my 1-month notice from Onvoy.. they are going to cut my
> DSL over to EarthLink at the end of the month, who for my current setup,
> will be charging $150/mo(!) for home DSL. (It's because it's 384k SDSL).
>
> So, my question is, who offers good DSL over Covad lines? Probably can't
> get DSL from Qworst.. the best looking company I've seen so far is
> InternetConnect; anyone hav experience with them?
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From tanner at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 11:53:31 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:49:37AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <20010305115331.J8885@real-time.com>

Quoting Jason Jorgensen (jasonj@talkware.net):
> I am in the same boat as you. Onvoy kicking me off my 768k.

Umm, I thought Qworst offered IDSL now, here is a press announce I got in email:

1-10-01 Qwest offers IDSL as well as RADSL

Qwest  IDSL is a dedicated permanent virtual circuit providing "always on"
connectivity and offers bi-directional speeds of up to 144 Kbps.    Stac
compressions is also supported.  Customers who are served by selected types of
Digital Loop Carriers (DLC) or who are farther than 15,000 feet but no greater
than 36,000 feet from their corresponding Central Office MAY qualify for the
IDSL "flavor" of DSL.  To loop qualify a customer or place an an order, please
call 800-898-9675 and a data specialist will be made available to you.


Qwest IDSL Subscriber Promotion February 5, 2001 through April 6, 2001

When an IDSL customer commits to a one, three or five year contact, they are
eligible for the following:

    * $99 Qwest IDSL subscriber non-recurring service initiation fee (regularly
    * $250)
    * $145 Qwest IDSL (Vanguard) modem (regularly $336.95)

Qwest IDSL public web site

Qwest IDSL Network Disclosure (Service availability April 17, 2000.)
States Affected AZ, CO, IA, ID-N, ID-S, MN, NE, OR, UT, WA

IDSL Presentation

IDSL Pricing
Non-recurring service initiation fee $250 (one time charge)
Motorola Vanguard technician installation fee (required) $110 (one time charge)
or
FREE is customer self-installs
Motorola Vanguard 65 terminal adapter $336.95 (one time charge)
IDSL service recurring monthly charge

12 month term (minimum)
36 month term (effective 6/6/00)
60 month term (effective 6/6/00)
 

$69.95/month
$65.95/month
$59.95/month

Qwest IDSL requires Qwest DSL Host router support for:

1.  ATM interface
2.  If using Cisco? router, Cisco IOS 12.0.(5) or 12.0(7)
3.  RFC 2364
4.  AAL5 SNAP encapsulation
5.  Cisco "DSN Server" defined to handle DNS request

The Qwest DSL Service supports PPP over ATM and does NOT support Bridging. 

PPPoATM for IDSL  includes an FRF.8 function which is a slightly different
configuration than PPPoATM RADSL.

PPPoATM for IDSL (Cisco 3800 sample configuration).

A Qwest DSL Host can configure their router so that on the SAME router some
subscribers are configured for PPPoATM for RADSL (AAL5/MUX) AND some configured
for PPPoA for IDSL (AAL5/SNAP encapsulation).  The key is to build a "virtual
template" and associated "vc-class" for each type of subscriber community
(PPPoATM for RADSL w/AAL5 MUX encapsulation, PPPoATM for IDSL w/AAL5 SNAP
encapsulation).  

Would you like engineering support for configuring your router for IDSL?
IF THEN
You purchase Cisco? Router from Qwest and have a Maintenance Agreement contract
Contract your assigned engineering support team using the number provided in
your Maintenance Agreement contract.
You purchase your Cisco? router from a different resseller or do not have a
maintenance agreement. Contact your router vendor or reseller for technical
assistance.   Qwest engineering support is available; however, hourly technical
consulting fees will apply.  Typically, consulting fees are billed at $220 per
hour.
You have a router from a vendor other than Cisco?. Contact your router vendor or
reseller for engineering support.

IDSL Cisco web site information
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120t/120t2/pppllc.htm

Vanguard Modem User Guide

IDSL Loop qualification and/or Ordering:  Please call 800-898-9675 and a data
specialist will be made available to you.

An important addition to the Qwest DSL Services product family - Qwest  IDSL! 

Customers who are served by a Digital Loop Carrier (DLC) or who are farther than
15,000 feet from their corresponding Central Office MAY qualify for this
"flavor" of DSL.

Qwest IDSL is a dedicated permanent virtual circuit providing "always on"
connectivity and offers bi-directional speeds of up to 144 Kbps.

Qwest DSL Services IDSL requires a dedicated telephone line so customers will
need to have a second telephone line installed in their homes. Unlike our other
Qwest DSL Services offerings based on RADSL technology,  Qwest IDSL does NOT
enable customers to talk and surf at the same
time on the same telephone line. There is no voice service provided with Qwest
IDSL.

Qwest Integrated Service Digital Network Digital Subscriber Line (IDSL) is a new
data solution that utilizes Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) and
Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) Technology.

The service provides a point to point private line circuit, allowing high-speed
data services, that connects a subscriber to either their Corporate Qwest DSL
Host or to an Internet Service Provider (ISP).

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From tanner at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 11:54:30 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:49:37AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <20010305115430.K8885@real-time.com>

Quoting Jason Jorgensen (jasonj@talkware.net):
> I am in the same boat as you. Onvoy kicking me off my 768k.

Here are a couple of urls in the email.

http://www.qwest.com/dsl/learn/idsl.html
http://www.qwest.com/disclosures/netdisclosure448.html

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 12:04:37 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <20010305115430.K8885@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:54:30AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net> <20010305115430.K8885@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010305120437.K6984@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010305 11:59]:
> Quoting Jason Jorgensen (jasonj@talkware.net):
> > I am in the same boat as you. Onvoy kicking me off my 768k.
> http://www.qwest.com/dsl/learn/idsl.html

Basically, if you can somehow get cable, and just want bandwidth and not
a gazillion IP's or static IP's, go cable in this instance, for sure.
144k? Ow.

-- 
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Mon Mar  5 12:06:18 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
	<3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <m2lmqkccpx.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Jason Jorgensen <jasonj@talkware.net> writes:

> I am in the same boat as you. Onvoy kicking me off my 768k.
> 
> I was going to go with SpeakEasy's "Trader" SDSL 768k package that has
> unlimited Dailup for my laptop when I am on the road (I dont know about
> 1-800 access for that dialup or not). But its alittle spendy at $150/month.
> This is the easiest conversion for me as there is no equipment change. But
> as I dont trust that Covad will stay in business, I am looking to switch to
> Qwest. I think I may be able to get a faster connection through Qwest for
> similar money, but I havent checked everything yet.

I'm paying $160/month for Qwest 768k dsl with a block of static IPs,
but this is direct, not through Covad.  I'm in easy reach of the CO.
So this may not relate to your situation?

My "768k" connection seems to be provisioned as 816 and 960, or funny
numbers like that (in the Cisco 675).
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From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Mar  5 12:25:51 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <20010305115331.J8885@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:53:31 -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3AA3D1B1.4303759D@talkware.net> <20010305115331.J8885@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010305122551.E13813@coder>

I looked at Qwest for IDSL: the one-time fees and completely
incompatible hardware told me it was time for something else.

Basically, it looks like $250 for what I already had, plus whatever
cancellation fees that Onvoy will attempt to collect (have you met my
wife, the attorney?). That money would cover almost 5 months of cable. 
Plus, you have to sign a fixed-term contract (1,3, or 5 years).  Given
how bad Qwest was at IDSL the first time around, I'm not excited about
going back to them.  Hey, at least RR picked up their phone when I
called and sounded like they knew what they were talking about (once
spent 3 hours on hold trying to talk to Onvoy).

        - Dave

On 2001.03.05 11:53:31 -0600 Bob Tanner wrote:
>     * $99 Qwest IDSL subscriber non-recurring service initiation fee
> (regularly
>     * $250)
>     * $145 Qwest IDSL (Vanguard) modem (regularly $336.95)
> 
-- 
Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 12:36:39 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <015c01c0a5a3$37e2da00$3028680a@tgt.com>

XO (formerly Concentric).  They have been wonderful.  I have the 1500/384
plan -- it runs $89/month currently.  You can get 608/128 (I think that was
the upload) for $69/month.

They give you four static IP's.  It has been almost completely trouble free
since November when they ugpraded their entire network (I believe they added
an OC12 to the mix).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's


> Well, I just got my 1-month notice from Onvoy.. they are going to cut my
> DSL over to EarthLink at the end of the month, who for my current setup,
> will be charging $150/mo(!) for home DSL. (It's because it's 384k SDSL).
>
> So, my question is, who offers good DSL over Covad lines? Probably can't
> get DSL from Qworst.. the best looking company I've seen so far is
> InternetConnect; anyone hav experience with them?
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 12:53:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <015c01c0a5a3$37e2da00$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> XO (formerly Concentric).  They have been wonderful.  I have the 1500/384
> plan -- it runs $89/month currently.  You can get 608/128 (I think that was
> the upload) for $69/month.
>
> They give you four static IP's.  It has been almost completely trouble free
> since November when they ugpraded their entire network (I believe they added
> an OC12 to the mix).

How's the speed? Do you really get 150k/s down?  :)

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 12:54:44 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com>

I have seen as high as 158KB/s averaged over a large download :)

My usual with a full pipe is about 152KB/s.  My uploads have typically been
about 40KB/s.

Very Very Happy.

And to think -- I am 13600 feet from the CO.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's


> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > XO (formerly Concentric).  They have been wonderful.  I have the
1500/384
> > plan -- it runs $89/month currently.  You can get 608/128 (I think that
was
> > the upload) for $69/month.
> >
> > They give you four static IP's.  It has been almost completely trouble
free
> > since November when they ugpraded their entire network (I believe they
added
> > an OC12 to the mix).
>
> How's the speed? Do you really get 150k/s down?  :)
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From kethry at winternet.com  Mon Mar  5 12:59:14 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051114240.24973-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103051255360.2638-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

My husband boiled down to either SpeakEasy or AT&T RoadRunner when we got
the notice that from COVAD (our DSL line provider) Flashcom was no lnger
solvent and we would have to find another option. If we wanted to continue
with IDSL, Marc's feeling was definitely SpeakEasy - here's the problem,
though, SpeakEasy is probably going to be slammed by ex-Flashcomm users as
they are one of 4 that Covad recommends. We personally opted for cable
'cuz it was less expensive, and we're still keeping up our Winternet
accounts, sooooo...

Liz

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Nate Carlson wrote:

> Well, I just got my 1-month notice from Onvoy.. they are going to cut my
> DSL over to EarthLink at the end of the month, who for my current setup,
> will be charging $150/mo(!) for home DSL. (It's because it's 384k SDSL).
> 
> So, my question is, who offers good DSL over Covad lines? Probably can't
> get DSL from Qworst.. the best looking company I've seen so far is
> InternetConnect; anyone hav experience with them?
> 
> 

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 13:07:46 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 12:54:44PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010305130746.E15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

I find it odd that they don't list any consumer-grade DSL solutions on
their web site.  They try to get your address out of you at every turn :)

Gabe

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 12:54:44PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> I have seen as high as 158KB/s averaged over a large download :)
> 
> My usual with a full pipe is about 152KB/s.  My uploads have typically been
> about 40KB/s.
> 
> Very Very Happy.
> 
> And to think -- I am 13600 feet from the CO.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
> 
> 
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > > XO (formerly Concentric).  They have been wonderful.  I have the
> 1500/384
> > > plan -- it runs $89/month currently.  You can get 608/128 (I think that
> was
> > > the upload) for $69/month.
> > >
> > > They give you four static IP's.  It has been almost completely trouble
> free
> > > since November when they ugpraded their entire network (I believe they
> added
> > > an OC12 to the mix).
> >
> > How's the speed? Do you really get 150k/s down?  :)
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"I like the same theengs you do: wax paper, 
 boiled football leather, dog breath!!"
				- Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness"
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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 13:11:26 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling the 2.4.2
Message-ID: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>

i tried to compile the 2.4.2 kernel at the installfest
and i got compiler errors, i thought it was my machine
that had problems so i tried to compile on a diferent
machine and i got exactly the same error, i have
attached the error message and i one of you would be
kind enough to take a look at it i would very much
appreciate it...

 -munir

=====
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/root/linux-2.4.2/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -malign-functions=4    -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/irq.h:57,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:45,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In function `x86_do_profile':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: for each function it appears in.)
In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `raise_softirq':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:89: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `tasklet_schedule':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:160: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `tasklet_hi_schedule':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:174: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_memcpy3d':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:305: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__memcpy3d':
/root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:312: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1
From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 13:09:09 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305130746.E15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <023001c0a5a7$c284f9f0$3028680a@tgt.com>

I think it is the consumer grade DSL that has been the cause of the
insolvency in alot of the ISPs.  They tried to compete a little too much.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's


> I find it odd that they don't list any consumer-grade DSL solutions on
> their web site.  They try to get your address out of you at every turn :)
>
> Gabe
>
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 12:54:44PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > I have seen as high as 158KB/s averaged over a large download :)
> >
> > My usual with a full pipe is about 152KB/s.  My uploads have typically
been
> > about 40KB/s.
> >
> > Very Very Happy.
> >
> > And to think -- I am 13600 feet from the CO.
> >
> > Tom Veldhouse
> > veldy@veldy.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > > > XO (formerly Concentric).  They have been wonderful.  I have the
> > 1500/384
> > > > plan -- it runs $89/month currently.  You can get 608/128 (I think
that
> > was
> > > > the upload) for $69/month.
> > > >
> > > > They give you four static IP's.  It has been almost completely
trouble
> > free
> > > > since November when they ugpraded their entire network (I believe
they
> > added
> > > > an OC12 to the mix).
> > >
> > > How's the speed? Do you really get 150k/s down?  :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
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------
> Gabe Turner        |     X-President,
> UNIX Systems Administrator,        | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
> U of M Supercomputing Institute for        |    University of Minnesohta
> Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu
>
> "I like the same theengs you do: wax paper,
>  boiled football leather, dog breath!!"
> - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> _______________________________________________
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>


From tanner at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 13:22:31 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <023001c0a5a7$c284f9f0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 01:09:09PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305130746.E15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <023001c0a5a7$c284f9f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010305132231.D1515@real-time.com>

Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net):
> I think it is the consumer grade DSL that has been the cause of the
> insolvency in alot of the ISPs.  They tried to compete a little too much.

As an ISP, I agree.  

When we see the competition offering 640k/256k routed networks for $25/month I
just shake my head and ask how can they make any money? 

The cost of the ATM link, the hardware, the backbone connectivity AND people's
salaries add up quickly and getting only $25/month/client means you have to have
lots of clients who don't call to often for support!

Flipe side.

The customer is able to ISP hop for the best deals. Definately a customer
market.



-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 13:25:09 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 12:53:13PM -0600
References: <015c01c0a5a3$37e2da00$3028680a@tgt.com> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010305132508.L6984@ringworld.org>

* Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> [010305 12:54]:
> How's the speed? Do you really get 150k/s down?  :)

I get about 180-200k/sec here :)  but thats with cable./

-- 
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 13:23:29 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305130746.E15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <023001c0a5a7$c284f9f0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305132231.D1515@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <024b01c0a5a9$c2f7ce10$3028680a@tgt.com>

And the worst part of it is that VISI.com is now offering it for $19.99. :)

Just thought I should through that in as it is a new change made over the
weekend.

I think it was instigated by DSL.net corporation and not by VISI.com.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Tanner" <tanner@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's

As an ISP, I agree.

When we see the competition offering 640k/256k routed networks for $25/month
I
just shake my head and ask how can they make any money?

The cost of the ATM link, the hardware, the backbone connectivity AND
people's
salaries add up quickly and getting only $25/month/client means you have to
have
lots of clients who don't call to often for support!

Flipe side.

The customer is able to ISP hop for the best deals. Definately a customer
market.



From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Mar  5 13:35:09 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cvs question
Message-ID: <20010305133509.A1065@vm-lvm>

Hi all, I would like to add the diffs from CVS checkins to the mailings. As my
configuration stands right now, $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/loginfo  has separate entries
for each module. Each on of those calls a separate script that corresponds to
the appropriate mailing list. I'd like to add a function to each one of those
that adds in the diff to the mail. That's the easy part. The hard part is
getting CVS to pass that to the script. It's not meant to pass more than one
argument to the $command that you exec via your entries in loginfo.

There is also $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/commitinfo that I can use, it will run $command
based on a regexp for the module dir that you specify. Is there a way to
simply get that script that I'll call to print diffs of all the files for the
commit that is taking place to a tmpfile of some sort?

Or does someone know of a way that's already in CVS to make this happen. 

-- 
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From baz at mail.baz-tech.com  Mon Mar  5 13:03:14 2001
From: baz at mail.baz-tech.com (Bryan A. Zimmer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives
Message-ID: <01030513473700.01610@BAZPIII.baz-tech.com>

5 March 2001 1:50 PM


Dave (and others),

Thank you for your replies. They made a lot of sense.

The object would be to link the logical "cdrom" names to hardware 
names of the scsi variety,  such as "/dev/sr0" and "dev/sr1".

Problem: when I went to try this out, I first checked my boot-up 
"dmesg". This verifed that two drives, respectively termed sr0 
and sr1 were found (the latter being the CD-RW drive). 

But in the "dev" directory, there were no such listed devices as 
"sr0, sr1" or anything close nearest "srnd..." (for random 
numbers, I am presuming.)

I do indeed have the scd0..7 devices, major number 11, but that's 
not what my kernel is telling me that I have.

Am I supposed to make a node for these devices with "mknod", or 
is there possibly something else I am missing? If so, maybe you 
can tell me the major / minor numbers of your /dev/sr0 and 
/dev/sr1 devices.

Anyway, thanks for the advice and I will look forward anxiously 
to hearing more from you or anybody with an answer.

Thanks again,

Bryan

>>> On March 4, Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org> wrote:

> Bryan,

> If I remember correctly, your devices changed. ?The IDE CD-ROM
> device
> was linked from something like /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom. ?Now 
> that you
> emulated them as SCSI, the CDRW device points to /dev/sr0 or
> /dev/scd0
> (on my RH6.2 system, I point to /dev/sr0). ?You need to put in 
> a link
> from /dev/sr0 (or scd0) to point to /dev/cdrom. ?At that point, 
> it should work. ?

> From ?http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html
> (CD-Writing HOW-TO), section 2.1 Quickstart, ?type the > 
following commands on one line (sets up a new link to the SCSI 
> device) 
> cd /dev && rm cdrom && ln -s scd0 cdrom ?(I can't remember if I 
> had
> problems with permissions here also).

> As I said, I actually use sr0 and sr1 for my drives (not scd0 
> and scd1).
>?I think you should be able to pick up the correct device name by
> reading the boot messages when you start up your system.

HTH,

? ? - Dave



On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Bryan A. ZImmer wrote:

>?Hi folks,
>?
>?After the glow of the Installfest today, I took home some new
>?information. Previously I was unable to get my CD/RW drive 
working,
>?with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0 system.
>?
>?The advice I was given was to recompile the kernel _without_
>?IDE-CD-ROM support, but with SCSI emulation, and then I should 
be able
>?to use the "cdrecord" program, as Bob T. was using at the 
Installfest
>?today.
>?
>?I recompiled my kernel without IDE CDROM support and with SCSI 
emulation
>?support. Since nothing was mentioned about whether to leave _in_
>?"regular" SCSI CDROM support, I left that part as a module.
>?
>?The bottom line is, I was able to use the cdrecord program 
(although I
>?still find it somewhat cryptic), but was unable to mount my 
CDROM drives
>?as usual.
>?
>?I tried both the standard "mount" command which relies on 
/etc/fstab
>?(e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also ?explicitly doing a mount 
command,
>?e.g. "mount -t iso9660 ?-o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom". Each 
time, I got
>?the same message back, to the effect that I had either a "bad
>?superblock" on the device (I ?tried several CD's, that wasn't 
it....) or
>?too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't it either, 
only two
>?partitions and "/proc" were mounted).


>?I tried inserting, by turns, the ide and scsi cdrom modules, 
with
>?modprobe, ?to see if I could mount either my "normal" CD-ROM 
(DVD)
>?drive, or my CD/RW drive. Those modules are, specifically 
"ide-cd.o" and
>?"sr_mod.o", which both seem to ?rely on the "cdrom.o" module.
>?
>?In all cases, I got the same result, even after several kernel 
compile
>?re-tries. "cdrecord" now recognizes the CD/RW and the DVD 
drive; they
>?are noticed in the boot-time message sequence (dmesg), ?and I 
can use
>?the program. But I can not mount the CD-ROM drives at all!
>?
>?The situation I am in now is, I have to load my "new" kernel in 
order to
>?record a disk, and my old kernel; in order to mount a disk.
>?
>?What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a suggestion?


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 14:01:10 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives
References: <01030513473700.01610@BAZPIII.baz-tech.com>
Message-ID: <02d501c0a5af$069805e0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Use /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1.

You should look at the devices.txt file in the kernel Documentation for more
references to the various devices.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan A. Zimmer" <baz@mail.baz-tech.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives


> 5 March 2001 1:50 PM
>
>
> Dave (and others),
>
> Thank you for your replies. They made a lot of sense.
>
> The object would be to link the logical "cdrom" names to hardware
> names of the scsi variety,  such as "/dev/sr0" and "dev/sr1".
>
> Problem: when I went to try this out, I first checked my boot-up
> "dmesg". This verifed that two drives, respectively termed sr0
> and sr1 were found (the latter being the CD-RW drive).
>
> But in the "dev" directory, there were no such listed devices as
> "sr0, sr1" or anything close nearest "srnd..." (for random
> numbers, I am presuming.)
>
> I do indeed have the scd0..7 devices, major number 11, but that's
> not what my kernel is telling me that I have.
>
> Am I supposed to make a node for these devices with "mknod", or
> is there possibly something else I am missing? If so, maybe you
> can tell me the major / minor numbers of your /dev/sr0 and
> /dev/sr1 devices.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the advice and I will look forward anxiously
> to hearing more from you or anybody with an answer.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bryan
>
> >>> On March 4, Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org> wrote:
>
> > Bryan,
>
> > If I remember correctly, your devices changed. The IDE CD-ROM
> > device
> > was linked from something like /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom. Now
> > that you
> > emulated them as SCSI, the CDRW device points to /dev/sr0 or
> > /dev/scd0
> > (on my RH6.2 system, I point to /dev/sr0). You need to put in
> > a link
> > from /dev/sr0 (or scd0) to point to /dev/cdrom. At that point,
> > it should work.
>
> > From http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html
> > (CD-Writing HOW-TO), section 2.1 Quickstart, type the >
> following commands on one line (sets up a new link to the SCSI
> > device)
> > cd /dev && rm cdrom && ln -s scd0 cdrom (I can't remember if I
> > had
> > problems with permissions here also).
>
> > As I said, I actually use sr0 and sr1 for my drives (not scd0
> > and scd1).
> > I think you should be able to pick up the correct device name by
> > reading the boot messages when you start up your system.
>
> HTH,
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Bryan A. ZImmer wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > After the glow of the Installfest today, I took home some new
> > information. Previously I was unable to get my CD/RW drive
> working,
> > with the "cdrecord" program. I have a RedHat 7.0 system.
> >
> > The advice I was given was to recompile the kernel _without_
> > IDE-CD-ROM support, but with SCSI emulation, and then I should
> be able
> > to use the "cdrecord" program, as Bob T. was using at the
> Installfest
> > today.
> >
> > I recompiled my kernel without IDE CDROM support and with SCSI
> emulation
> > support. Since nothing was mentioned about whether to leave _in_
> > "regular" SCSI CDROM support, I left that part as a module.
> >
> > The bottom line is, I was able to use the cdrecord program
> (although I
> > still find it somewhat cryptic), but was unable to mount my
> CDROM drives
> > as usual.
> >
> > I tried both the standard "mount" command which relies on
> /etc/fstab
> > (e.q. "mount /dev/cdrom", and also explicitly doing a mount
> command,
> > e.g. "mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom". Each
> time, I got
> > the same message back, to the effect that I had either a "bad
> > superblock" on the device (I tried several CD's, that wasn't
> it....) or
> > too many mounted drives (...that definetly wasn't it either,
> only two
> > partitions and "/proc" were mounted).
>
>
> > I tried inserting, by turns, the ide and scsi cdrom modules,
> with
> > modprobe, to see if I could mount either my "normal" CD-ROM
> (DVD)
> > drive, or my CD/RW drive. Those modules are, specifically
> "ide-cd.o" and
> > "sr_mod.o", which both seem to rely on the "cdrom.o" module.
> >
> > In all cases, I got the same result, even after several kernel
> compile
> > re-tries. "cdrecord" now recognizes the CD/RW and the DVD
> drive; they
> > are noticed in the boot-time message sequence (dmesg), and I
> can use
> > the program. But I can not mount the CD-ROM drives at all!
> >
> > The situation I am in now is, I have to load my "new" kernel in
> order to
> > record a disk, and my old kernel; in order to mount a disk.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a suggestion?
>
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From tim at tneu.visi.com  Mon Mar  5 08:19:23 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives
In-Reply-To: <01030513473700.01610@BAZPIII.baz-tech.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103050817280.26405-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Bryan A. Zimmer wrote:

> 5 March 2001 1:50 PM
> 
> 
> Dave (and others),
> 
> Thank you for your replies. They made a lot of sense.
> 
> The object would be to link the logical "cdrom" names to hardware 
> names of the scsi variety,  such as "/dev/sr0" and "dev/sr1".
> 
> Problem: when I went to try this out, I first checked my boot-up 
> "dmesg". This verifed that two drives, respectively termed sr0 
> and sr1 were found (the latter being the CD-RW drive). 
> 
> But in the "dev" directory, there were no such listed devices as 
> "sr0, sr1" or anything close nearest "srnd..." (for random 
> numbers, I am presuming.)

The sr devices are for scsi raw.  

You need to use the scd number for each that corresponds to the sr number. 


The sr device is used by the scd devices.

sr0 = scd0, etc. 

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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 14:19:38 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051419110.30285-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> I have seen as high as 158KB/s averaged over a large download :)
>
> My usual with a full pipe is about 152KB/s.  My uploads have typically been
> about 40KB/s.
>
> Very Very Happy.
>
> And to think -- I am 13600 feet from the CO.

One note: These guys don't offer residential DSL anymore. All you can get
is 384k SDSL.  :(

I'm thinking of going with internetconnect.. anyone ever had experience
with them?

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From clay at fandre.com  Mon Mar  5 14:34:54 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling the 2.4.2
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA3F86E.E6A67A5E@fandre.com>

What distro are you using? Have you tried compiling a fresh downloaded
kernel? (as opposed to a patched kernel)


Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> i tried to compile the 2.4.2 kernel at the installfest
> and i got compiler errors, i thought it was my machine
> that had problems so i tried to compile on a diferent
> machine and i got exactly the same error, i have
> attached the error message and i one of you would be
> kind enough to take a look at it i would very much
> appreciate it...
> 
>  -munir
> 
> =====
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/root/linux-2.4.2/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -malign-functions=4    -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/irq.h:57,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:45,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In function `x86_do_profile':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: for each function it appears in.)
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `raise_softirq':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:89: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `tasklet_schedule':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:160: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `tasklet_hi_schedule':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:174: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_memcpy3d':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:305: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__memcpy3d':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:312: `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1

From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar  5 14:42:56 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] POP accounts
In-Reply-To: <3AA3F86E.E6A67A5E@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFCEAOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Instead of going to /etc/passwd and giving the /bin/false shell, is there an
easy way to create users with pop access but no shell?

____________________________________
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Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
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<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:35 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] compiling the 2.4.2


What distro are you using? Have you tried compiling a fresh downloaded
kernel? (as opposed to a patched kernel)


Munir Nassar wrote:
>
> i tried to compile the 2.4.2 kernel at the installfest
> and i got compiler errors, i thought it was my machine
> that had problems so i tried to compile on a diferent
> machine and i got exactly the same error, i have
> attached the error message and i one of you would be
> kind enough to take a look at it i would very much
> appreciate it...
>
>  -munir
>
> =====
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+
PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/root/linux-2.4.2/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -
fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 
-march=i686 -malign-functions=4    -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/irq.h:57,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:45,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In function `x86_do_profile':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: `current' undeclared (first
use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: (Each undeclared identifier is
reported only once
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: for each function it appears
in.)
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function `raise_softirq':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:89: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function
`tasklet_schedule':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:160: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function
`tasklet_hi_schedule':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:174: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
> In file included from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
>                  from /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
>                  from init/main.c:15:
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_memcpy3d':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:305: `current' undeclared (first
use in this function)
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In function `__memcpy3d':
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:312: `current' undeclared (first
use in this function)
> make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 14:41:19 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051419110.30285-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <02f501c0a5b4$a2574ae0$3028680a@tgt.com>

I wonder what they will do when my year is up?

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's


> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > I have seen as high as 158KB/s averaged over a large download :)
> >
> > My usual with a full pipe is about 152KB/s.  My uploads have typically
been
> > about 40KB/s.
> >
> > Very Very Happy.
> >
> > And to think -- I am 13600 feet from the CO.
>
> One note: These guys don't offer residential DSL anymore. All you can get
> is 384k SDSL.  :(
>
> I'm thinking of going with internetconnect.. anyone ever had experience
> with them?
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Mon Mar  5 14:50:25 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] POP accounts
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFCEAOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 02:42:56PM -0600
References: <3AA3F86E.E6A67A5E@fandre.com> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFCEAOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010305145025.S1515@real-time.com>

Quoting Jason Sowers (jsowers@osii.com):
> Instead of going to /etc/passwd and giving the /bin/false shell, is there an
> easy way to create users with pop access but no shell?

LDAP and PAM.
-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 15:23:07 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] POP accounts
In-Reply-To: <20010305145025.S1515@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 02:50:25PM -0600
References: <3AA3F86E.E6A67A5E@fandre.com> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFCEAOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com> <20010305145025.S1515@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010305152307.M6984@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010305 14:47]:
> LDAP and PAM.

Just pam works fine


-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

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From thudak at sistina.com  Mon Mar  5 15:25:38 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <20010305132231.D1515@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 01:22:31PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051252570.19072-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01de01c0a5a5$be95a940$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305130746.E15878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <023001c0a5a7$c284f9f0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010305132231.D1515@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010305152538.B4995@cesium.sistina.com>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 01:22:31PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net):
>> I think it is the consumer grade DSL that has been the cause of the
>> insolvency in alot of the ISPs.  They tried to compete a little too much.
You can't compete too much when Qwest and others are beating down your door to
buy you out. You stay in the fight until you get the highest bidder or you
don't fight at all and sell your services at a higher price and go broke as
your customers vanish from beneath you. There is no middle ground, there's no
happy go lucky small ISP's who's customers love them and would never leave and
they're guaranteed $X profit per mo. They go broke.
>
>As an ISP, I agree.  
>
>When we see the competition offering 640k/256k routed networks for $25/month I
>just shake my head and ask how can they make any money? 
The same way they make money off dial-ups (the ISP I worked at made approx.
25-35 cents per customer on a dial-in link.), the bigger you are the more that
comes in. If they can get 3000 customers, at .30 a peice, that's $900 a month.
Not a LOT of money, but if they have 3000 in each of 15 states, that's $13500
per month. It's a profit, but at the expense of dealing with a LOT of
customers. (which corresponds directly to piss-poor service.) It all breaks
down to the law of numbers. Unfortunately, their goal is to get customers as
fast as possible, bill them, and not give a rats ass once you have your $$.
>
>The cost of the ATM link, the hardware, the backbone connectivity AND people's
>salaries add up quickly and getting only $25/month/client means you have to have
>lots of clients who don't call to often for support!
When combining your # of customers with profit per cust. it's an exponential
earnings scale while the cost of support rises linearly to the # of customers
your have.
>
>Flipe side.
>
>The customer is able to ISP hop for the best deals. Definately a customer
>market.
That's why huge ISP's have been eating small ones by the truckload, to wrangle
all the customers into a few choices, the less places to go, the more likely
your customer base grows steadily.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3
>
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
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Fax: 612.379.3952

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From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Mon Mar  5 15:44:19 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
Message-ID: <15012.2227.352991.211991@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

I was wondering if any of you have tried using the latest KDE,
particularly using RPMs.

I have a RedHat 6.2 system at home, which came with KDE 1.1.  OK, I
tried to just freshen everything to install 2.01.  That didn't work.
Seems like the RPM packaging changed pretty substantially between
versions.

OK, so I painstakingly scraped the 1.1 RPMs off my system and
installed the 2.01 RPMs.  Everything was hunky-dory, and KDE seems
really good in the new version.

So, I was psyched to install 2.1.  But... ARGH!  As far as I can tell,
the RPM packaging has changed AGAIN!  Freshening doesn't work ---
there seem to be lots of files in the old kde-sound that have been
moved to the arts package, causing all kinds of havoc with the
dependencies.

Anyone else had these problems?  Anyone fixed them?

Thanks!
R

From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar  5 16:07:54 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Auto dial-in with RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010305152307.M6984@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFIEBDCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

How does one make Redhat 7.0 automatically dial.  In the 6.x versions, Linux
Conf had a nice little utility. In those days I didn't know enough to use
config files.  What do I need to do?



____________________________________
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Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:23 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] POP accounts


* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010305 14:47]:
> LDAP and PAM.

Just pam works fine


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http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

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From creatorc at cloudnet.com  Mon Mar  5 16:34:12 2001
From: creatorc at cloudnet.com (David Neeb)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question regarding cdrecord and CD/RW drives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103051629430.18602-100000@homer.koala.com>

Hmmm, I guess I was doing it wrong... I had my cdrom linked to sr0, and it
worked fine, but i changed to the more socially acceptable scd0, and it
looks to work as well. Thanks Tim.

I think, Bryan, that you may need to make the devices.  I believe that
the MAKEDEV script in /dev should do it.  Something along the lines of
./MAKEDEV sr\* and then maybe ./MAKEDEV scd\*
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

-Dave

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, tim
wrote:

>
> The sr devices are for scsi raw.
>
> You need to use the scd number for each that corresponds to the sr number.
>
>
> The sr device is used by the scd devices.
>
> sr0 = scd0, etc.



From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Mon Mar  5 17:21:12 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305004558.23306A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA41F68.2B0226D@black-hole.com>

I have the same problem on my machine at times and what I have to do is make
sure that the scsi drive has spooled up before LILO is called, the fix for
you, I think, would be to have BIOS look at the scsi drive before going back
to the ide and running LILO.

Colin Kilbane wrote:

> I upgraded to HR 7.0 tonight and in the process lilo deep sixed itself.
> All it does is "LI".  Win2k prof is on sda1 and RH os on Sdb6.  I have an
> additional scsi drive dedicated to linux and a ide drive dedicated to
> windows.  I have tried to reinstall lilo on sda where it should be but it
> doesn't take.
>
> HELP
> Colin Kilbane
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From drew at usfamily.net  Mon Mar  5 11:26:56 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu> <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <3AA3CC60.59DDD6B0@usfamily.net>

You know what I just finished my new Redhat install 7.0 from the ftp
site and I'm having the same LILO problem all it says is "LI" at the
boot prompt, I have not scsi or other types of possible problem causing
devices attached. Here is my lilo.conf file, please help.

boot =
timeout = 100
linear
prompt
  message = /boot/message
  vga = normal
  read-write
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
  label = linux
  initrd = /initrd.img
  root = /dev/hda1



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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Mon Mar  5 17:29:18 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305004558.23306A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu> <3AA41F68.2B0226D@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <3AA4214E.17082534@black-hole.com>

Already solved so ignore this

"b. toberman" wrote:

> I have the same problem on my machine at times and what I have to do is make
> sure that the scsi drive has spooled up before LILO is called, the fix for
> you, I think, would be to have BIOS look at the scsi drive before going back
> to the ide and running LILO.
>
> Colin Kilbane wrote:
>
> > I upgraded to HR 7.0 tonight and in the process lilo deep sixed itself.
> > All it does is "LI".  Win2k prof is on sda1 and RH os on Sdb6.  I have an
> > additional scsi drive dedicated to linux and a ide drive dedicated to
> > windows.  I have tried to reinstall lilo on sda where it should be but it
> > doesn't take.
> >
> > HELP
> > Colin Kilbane
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar  5 18:14:56 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NFS question--Solved
References: <3AA2E514.67247693@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3AA42C00.819DAC97@mninter.net>

Figured this one out.  Would help if I was using DNS/DHCP.  I had to put
in the machine IP address to get access.  That's another thing to put on
my list.  Top priority right now is my ISDN configuration....


Shawn

Shawn Fertch wrote:
> 
> Since I got my desktop loaded with Slackware 7.1 yesterday (A big thanks
> to all who helped, a couple of whom I didn't get names on were highly
> invaluable), I'm now getting the network portions going.
> 
> What I'm doing is setting up one of my servers to be the print server.
> Following through the directions on network printer setup, there's
> mention that I need to have an NFS share for the print spooling to go
> to.  The directions I'm following are very Red Hat biased.
> 
> In a nutshell, here's what the directions say:
> 
> 1. Ensure the package is installed.
> 2. Insert export statements into /etc/exports file
> 3. Restart nfs daemon.
> 
> I believe the package is installed.  I modified the /etc/exports file on
> the print server with the following statement:
> 
> /shares/print   *.domain.com
> 
> When I try to mount the NFS directory on a remote machine, I get the
> following error:
> 
> mount: <server>:/shares/print failed, reason given by server: Permission
> denied
> 
> Permissions on the /shares and the /print subdirectory are both 777.  Is
> it because I don't have NFS installed or something else?  I've gone
> through pkgtool on the server to try and find which package has NFS in
> it, but nothing jumps out at me.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Shawn

From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar  5 18:17:39 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] custom Debian install
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103051811090.29505-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I think that I can get Debian installed on my new Compaq DL 380 server by
creating a custom set of install floppies with a kernel that supports the
NIC, SCSI controller, and RAID controller on the server. It appears that
Potato has a package called 'boot-floppies' with a set of scripts designed
for building a custom install.

Not having a Potato system handy (mine are running Woody), I'm wondering if
it's possible to build a set of boot floppies for Potato on a Woody system
(my instinct is no). The solution presumably, then, would be to find an old
computer lying around, put potato on it, and build the custom floppies from
there.

Before I do any of this, however, I'd like someone to confirm for me that it
is indeed possible to put a custom kernel (perhaps even a 2.4.x kernel) on
these custom floppies.

-Tim

--
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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 18:25:37 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #740 - 9 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200103052046.f25KkNl13843@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010306002537.91816.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>

both machines are running Mandrake 7.2, i am going to
try to compile the kernel on YellowDog Linux tonight
to see if it works, and yes both times i used a fresh
kernel from kernel.org

 -munir

> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:34:54 -0600
> From: Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] compiling the 2.4.2
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> What distro are you using? Have you tried compiling
> a fresh downloaded
> kernel? (as opposed to a patched kernel)
> 
> 
> Munir Nassar wrote:
> > 
> > i tried to compile the 2.4.2 kernel at the
> installfest
> > and i got compiler errors, i thought it was my
> machine
> > that had problems so i tried to compile on a
> diferent
> > machine and i got exactly the same error, i have
> > attached the error message and i one of you would
> be
> > kind enough to take a look at it i would very much
> > appreciate it...
> > 
> >  -munir
> > 
> > =====
> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > Version: 3.12
> > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+
> w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++
> X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> > 
> >  
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/root/linux-2.4.2/include -Wall
> -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
> -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe
> -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686
> -malign-functions=4    -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
> > In file included from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/irq.h:57,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:45,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
> >                  from init/main.c:15:
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In
> function `x86_do_profile':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: (Each
> undeclared identifier is reported only once
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: for
> each function it appears in.)
> > In file included from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:296,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
> >                  from init/main.c:15:
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In
> function `raise_softirq':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:89:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In
> function `tasklet_schedule':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:160:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h: In
> function `tasklet_hi_schedule':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/interrupt.h:174:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > In file included from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/string.h:21,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/fs.h:23,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/capability.h:17,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/sched.h:9,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/mm.h:4,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/slab.h:14,
> >                  from
> /root/linux-2.4.2/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
> >                  from init/main.c:15:
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In
> function `__constant_memcpy3d':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:305:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h: In
> function `__memcpy3d':
> > /root/linux-2.4.2/include/asm/string.h:312:
> `current' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1


=====
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 18:47:11 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] custom Debian install
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103051811090.29505-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103051844320.26059-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Before I do any of this, however, I'd like someone to confirm for me that it
> is indeed possible to put a custom kernel (perhaps even a 2.4.x kernel) on
> these custom floppies.

If you wanted to do a 2.4.x kernel on the custom boot floppies, you
would have to make it something like a 'potato-and-a-half', because you
would need more up-to-date kernel tools (modutils, etc.) than the ones
included in potato.

Sorry that I don't have time to do more research on this, but I'm in
class ;p Meaning I also don't have my debian system real handy.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 19:09:40 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
In-Reply-To: <15012.2227.352991.211991@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.33.0103051909290.98672-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>

RPM --- gotta love it :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote:

>
> I was wondering if any of you have tried using the latest KDE,
> particularly using RPMs.
>
> I have a RedHat 6.2 system at home, which came with KDE 1.1.  OK, I
> tried to just freshen everything to install 2.01.  That didn't work.
> Seems like the RPM packaging changed pretty substantially between
> versions.
>
> OK, so I painstakingly scraped the 1.1 RPMs off my system and
> installed the 2.01 RPMs.  Everything was hunky-dory, and KDE seems
> really good in the new version.
>
> So, I was psyched to install 2.1.  But... ARGH!  As far as I can tell,
> the RPM packaging has changed AGAIN!  Freshening doesn't work ---
> there seem to be lots of files in the old kde-sound that have been
> moved to the arts package, causing all kinds of havoc with the
> dependencies.
>
> Anyone else had these problems?  Anyone fixed them?
>
> Thanks!
> R
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar  5 19:09:40 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
In-Reply-To: <15012.2227.352991.211991@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.33.0103051909290.98672-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>

RPM --- gotta love it :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote:

>
> I was wondering if any of you have tried using the latest KDE,
> particularly using RPMs.
>
> I have a RedHat 6.2 system at home, which came with KDE 1.1.  OK, I
> tried to just freshen everything to install 2.01.  That didn't work.
> Seems like the RPM packaging changed pretty substantially between
> versions.
>
> OK, so I painstakingly scraped the 1.1 RPMs off my system and
> installed the 2.01 RPMs.  Everything was hunky-dory, and KDE seems
> really good in the new version.
>
> So, I was psyched to install 2.1.  But... ARGH!  As far as I can tell,
> the RPM packaging has changed AGAIN!  Freshening doesn't work ---
> there seem to be lots of files in the old kde-sound that have been
> moved to the arts package, causing all kinds of havoc with the
> dependencies.
>
> Anyone else had these problems?  Anyone fixed them?
>
> Thanks!
> R
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar  5 20:30:05 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Can someone please help me on this?
Message-ID: <3AA44BAD.38221029@mninter.net>

This is a partial repost of what I sent Friday night, along with other
information.  Sorry if this is a repeat, but I really cannot figure out
how to get this thing to connect up.  It dials, starts the handshake
then times out.  I'm assuming it's on the SPID, or because I've assigned
the box a static IP.


I configured it using Slack's pppsetup. When I initiate the ppp-go
script I get the following:

Serial connection established.
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttuS0
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Modem hangup
Connection terminated.

Inside of the /etc/options are the following lines:

lock
defaultroute
modem
/dev/ttS0
230400
crtscts
#noauth
passive
asyncmap 0
name "uid"

I was told that my ISP (Qwest) is using PAP authentication.  Inside the
pap-secrets file are:  "uid" * "pwd"

Here's the pppscript:

TIMEOUT 60
ABORT ERROR
ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
"" AT&FH0"
OK "atdt<phone#>"
TIMEOUT 75
CONNECT

Is there someplace that I'm supposed to assign the SPID?  I can find no
mention of it, except in some obscure project on sourceforge with almost
no detail.  Again, I'm using Slackware's ppp-go/ppp-off dial program. 
I'm considering using wvdial or diald possibly.  Minicom is another
option as well, as it's already on the system.

Also, I assigned the box this is on, a static IP address of 10.0.0.1 in
netconfig.  I did get static IP addresses from my ISP as well now.  I'm
using an external terminal adapter (3Com ISDN TA).  

I've looked at isdn4linux.org and .de and a few other places.  There's a
lot
of documentation out there, but none of it dealing with what I've been
trying to do specifically.  It's more for internal cards, with no
examples of scripts that I've seen for external terminal adapters of
ISDN.

Please, if anyone can help me out I'd be grateful.


Shawn

From andyzib at ringworld.org  Mon Mar  5 21:15:45 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
References: <Pine.BSF.4.33.0103051909290.98672-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>
Message-ID: <3AA45661.895CF937@ringworld.org>

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> 
> RPM --- gotta love it :)
> 

In this case it's not so much as the RPM format, it's the packagers. The KDE
folks were never very good a following guidelines for packages. I tried the
official KDE debs from kde.org. They liked to break. Then I found the debs
on kde.tydc.com. Mmmm...much better.

If you can't find RPMs blessed by Red Hat, you're most likely going to be
stuck doing it the hard way. (Removing the old before installing the new.)

Shamless Debian plug: apt-get install task-kde

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From clay at fandre.com  Tue Mar  6 06:42:37 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wolverine http install - proxy???
Message-ID: <3AA4DB3D.E088C4F7@fandre.com>

Anyone else notice that RH forgot to include proxy support for their
http installs? WTF? Anyone know is you can use a RH7.0 bootnet image to
install wolverine?

From clay at fandre.com  Tue Mar  6 06:59:56 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wolverine http install - proxy???
References: <3AA4DB3D.E088C4F7@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AA4DF4C.11F606E@fandre.com>

Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> Anyone else notice that RH forgot to include proxy support for their
> http installs? WTF? Anyone know is you can use a RH7.0 bootnet image to
> install wolverine?

Well, I guess the 7.0 bootnet image doesn't support it either.

From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Tue Mar  6 07:06:38 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506E7@mail2.ROG.COM>

I just installed KDE 2.1 last night.  It was a fresh install.  I had to get
a couple of lib rpms but the stranges one was libkmid.so.1(?)
I did a search on rpmfind and got a list of files that containted it  or a
variation of it.  I then did a google search for it and found the home page.

http://perso.wanadoo.es/antlarr/libkmid.html

Other rpms I had to install include
libmng-0.9.4-1
lm_sensors-2.5.2-3
qt-2.2.4-0.70.4

Good luck
John Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:andyzib@ringworld.org]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:16 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs


"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> 
> RPM --- gotta love it :)
> 

In this case it's not so much as the RPM format, it's the packagers. The KDE
folks were never very good a following guidelines for packages. I tried the
official KDE debs from kde.org. They liked to break. Then I found the debs
on kde.tydc.com. Mmmm...much better.

If you can't find RPMs blessed by Red Hat, you're most likely going to be
stuck doing it the hard way. (Removing the old before installing the new.)

Shamless Debian plug: apt-get install task-kde

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From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Mar  6 08:11:22 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506E7@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <002601c0a647$535852c0$3028680a@tgt.com>

I just typed "make all install clean" in the /usr/ports/x11/kde2 directory.
It downloaded, compiled and installed the entire thing with optimizations
for my CPU.

Oh ... that was on my FreeBSD box :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller, John" <JMiller2@dainrauscher.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs


> I just installed KDE 2.1 last night.  It was a fresh install.  I had to
get
> a couple of lib rpms but the stranges one was libkmid.so.1(?)
> I did a search on rpmfind and got a list of files that containted it  or a
> variation of it.  I then did a google search for it and found the home
page.
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.es/antlarr/libkmid.html
>
> Other rpms I had to install include
> libmng-0.9.4-1
> lm_sensors-2.5.2-3
> qt-2.2.4-0.70.4
>
> Good luck
> John Miller
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:andyzib@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:16 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
>
>
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> >
> > RPM --- gotta love it :)
> >
>
> In this case it's not so much as the RPM format, it's the packagers. The
KDE
> folks were never very good a following guidelines for packages. I tried
the
> official KDE debs from kde.org. They liked to break. Then I found the debs
> on kde.tydc.com. Mmmm...much better.
>
> If you can't find RPMs blessed by Red Hat, you're most likely going to be
> stuck doing it the hard way. (Removing the old before installing the new.)
>
> Shamless Debian plug: apt-get install task-kde
>
> --
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 08:58:20 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
In-Reply-To: <3AA3CC60.59DDD6B0@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 05:26:56PM +0000
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu> <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com> <3AA3CC60.59DDD6B0@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <20010306085820.A18089@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

This line

initrd = /initrd.img

Doesn't seem right.  I think it's supposed to be

initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22.img

Look in /boot on the machine and see what initrd images are in there and
then put the appropriate one in your lilo.conf.  I've noticed that some of
the kernel rpms in RH7 don't exactly do their post-install stuff right.
When (or if) you apply the 2.2.17 kernel rpms (which is recommended),
they'll break your lilo.conf too, so you'll have to edit it again and rerun
lilo.

Gabe

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 05:26:56PM +0000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> You know what I just finished my new Redhat install 7.0 from the ftp
> site and I'm having the same LILO problem all it says is "LI" at the
> boot prompt, I have not scsi or other types of possible problem causing
> devices attached. Here is my lilo.conf file, please help.
> 
> boot =
> timeout = 100
> linear
> prompt
>   message = /boot/message
>   vga = normal
>   read-write
> image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
>   label = linux
>   initrd = /initrd.img
>   root = /dev/hda1
> 
> 
> 
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From clay at fandre.com  Tue Mar  6 08:58:20 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
References: <20010305125637.61305.qmail@web5406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA4FB0C.2070105@fandre.com>

Jonathan Kline wrote:

> Clay, The Microsoft Certified Solutions Partner on the
> the walls in the pix is a great touch! :)
> 
You know, I was debating whether to fire up the gimp and change that to 
Linux or something... but decided to leave it for the irony.

> 



From kethry at winternet.com  Tue Mar  6 09:33:06 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys revisted
In-Reply-To: <3AA3CA2B.54542915@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103051300110.2638-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> 
> The revision 4.1 cards do work fine on 2.4.1 and 2.4.2, didn't try 2.4.0 but
> I assume they work there too. 
> 
> As for what driver do you need, I don't see any reference to a NC100 on
> linksys's site. (Didn't look very hard so I may have missed it.) A quick
> rundown of drivers:

**nod** that was a big part of my problem - in the manual they say to go
to their FAQ for information on linux installs, but that they don't
officially support it (this is pre TX, I guess) on the product, and that
they've received reports that it works well *rolls eyes*...It is a pci
card...at this point, I've told my boss to heck with it, it's not worth
the time and energy spent on it when we have a LOT of testing to get done
in a VERYy short timeframe...end result - I may end up playing with this
at home, but for what I'm doing down, we're going with a 3COM card.

> ne or ne2k: Linksys ISA cards.
> ne2k-pci: Linksys PCI 10baseT and coax cards.
> tulip: Linksys PCI 10/100 cards.



> 
> With the pci based, you should be able to simply modprobe module and be
> ready to go. With the ISA cards you will have to figure out what resources
> they are using. Utilties for doing so are on your driver disks or from the
> Linksys site. If you don't have a dos boot floppy, I keep an image of one at
> http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/disks.
> 
> --
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> LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
> 21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Tue Mar  6 09:59:16 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu> <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com> <3AA3CC60.59DDD6B0@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <3AA50947.3280EF7F@eetc.com>

Here is my lilo.conf file and I think that you are missing some lines in yours.

boot=/dev/sda9
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
timeout=30
prompt
default=012601

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17-5tr_012601
        label=012601
        read-only
        root=/dev/sda9

Maybe you need the "default" statement but you only have one boot image so
maybe not.
Maybe try this and see if it works.  And make sure your initrd.img isn't in the
"/boot" directory.  This is pointing to "/".

boot = /dev/hda1
timeout = 100
default = linux
linear
prompt
  message = /boot/message
  vga = normal
  read-write
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
  label = linux
  initrd = /initrd.img
  root = /dev/hda1


HTH

sim

Andrew Nemchenko wrote:

> You know what I just finished my new Redhat install 7.0 from the ftp
> site and I'm having the same LILO problem all it says is "LI" at the
> boot prompt, I have not scsi or other types of possible problem causing
> devices attached. Here is my lilo.conf file, please help.
>
> boot =
> timeout = 100
> linear
> prompt
>   message = /boot/message
>   vga = normal
>   read-write
> image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
>   label = linux
>   initrd = /initrd.img
>   root = /dev/hda1
>
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 10:17:07 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] custom Debian install
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103051811090.29505-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 06:17:39PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103051811090.29505-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010306101706.A13232@gordo.space.umn.edu>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 06:17:39PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> I think that I can get Debian installed on my new Compaq DL 380 server by
> creating a custom set of install floppies with a kernel that supports the
> NIC, SCSI controller, and RAID controller on the server. It appears that
> Potato has a package called 'boot-floppies' with a set of scripts designed
> for building a custom install.
> 
> Not having a Potato system handy (mine are running Woody), I'm wondering if
> it's possible to build a set of boot floppies for Potato on a Woody system
> (my instinct is no). The solution presumably, then, would be to find an old
> computer lying around, put potato on it, and build the custom floppies from
> there.

I think that you should be able to use the potato version of 
boot-floppies on a woody box.  Newer versions of libraries and
tools shouldn't hurt anything, though to be safe I'd install
the boot-floppies package on a system that wasn't usually
used for development.  That way when you pull the potato version
of boot-floppies with apt-get you will also end up pulling
potato versions of most of boot-floppies dependencies.
 
> Before I do any of this, however, I'd like someone to confirm for me that it
> is indeed possible to put a custom kernel (perhaps even a 2.4.x kernel) on
> these custom floppies.

I haven't switched kernels, myself though I have built boot-floppies.
From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Tue Mar  6 10:35:35 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 2.1 RPMs
In-Reply-To: <3AA45661.895CF937@ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.33.0103051909290.98672-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>
	<3AA45661.895CF937@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <15013.4567.248743.427947@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

>>>>> "Z" == Zibby  <Andy> writes:

    Z> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
    >>  RPM --- gotta love it :)
    >> 

    Z> In this case it's not so much as the RPM format, it's the
    Z> packagers. The KDE folks were never very good a following
    Z> guidelines for packages. I tried the official KDE debs from
    Z> kde.org. They liked to break. Then I found the debs on
    Z> kde.tydc.com. Mmmm...much better.

    Z> If you can't find RPMs blessed by Red Hat, you're most likely
    Z> going to be stuck doing it the hard way. (Removing the old
    Z> before installing the new.)

Actually, I'm pretty sure this is not KDE's fault.  Their web site has
the following disclaimer:

"Some distributors choose to provide binary packages of KDE for certain
versions of their distribution. Some of these binary packages for KDE
2.1 will be available for free download under
http://ftp.kde.org/stable/2.1/distribution/ or under the equivalent
directory at one of the many KDE ftp server mirrors. Please note that
the KDE team is not responsible for these packages as they are
provided by third parties -- typically, but not always, the
distributor of the relevant distribution."

Seems like what I *really* should do is give up on the RPMs and
compile the blasted things myself.  

    Z> Shamless Debian plug: apt-get install task-kde

tempting, but then I'd have to figure out a new way to configure boot
and services.  I'm already spending far more time maintaining my boxen
than using them.... :-0

Cheers all,
R

From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Tue Mar  6 10:38:01 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
Message-ID: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

Hey Everyone
What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of 
pages you'll have to make changes on (like updating links...).  I was 
thinking that as long as I kept the same format throughout the site... that 
I could use CGI on the pages and have it call a .pm file that will have the 
link info and such.  Then I would only have to update the .pm file.  Are 
there any security risks in this?  I tried a sample and it worked fine 
except that once in a while the entire page will tile over itself many many 
times.  I'm not sure if that is a problem with my code or with my browser. 
 Any ideas?

Thanks!
Heather

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar  6 10:45:36 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Suicidal LILO
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010305012303.23364A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu> <3AA3AA4D.4EB96151@eetc.com> <3AA3CC60.59DDD6B0@usfamily.net> <3AA50947.3280EF7F@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <3AA51430.F269E0E2@ltiflex.com>

If no default option is given the first entry is considered the default. (As
indicated by the * that appears after the label when you run lilo.)

If you're always booting off one drive (IE, not running mutiple linux
distros) you can set things like read-only and root=/dev/sda9 above the
images so an image entry is simply:
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18
    label=2.2.18

Anyway, on to problem solving.

The problem I see below is the boot option. Your boot option should be the
device name of your first hard drive, (hard disk 0) not the partition that
Linux is installed to, not the first partition on the first hard drive, the
device name of the first hard drive (/dev/hda for IDE, /dev/sda for SCSI.) 

Setting it to anything else will result in the broken LILO prompt (Displays
LI then does nothing.) or no LILO prompt at all. 

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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Tue Mar  6 10:53:11 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A506F1@mail2.ROG.COM>

do you have a web site we could look at and do you have a section of code
that you could post the you think might be the offender.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher
Software Developer
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
home 763-572-1215
mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Wagamon [mailto:webgirl@wagtopia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:38 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: [TCLUG] perl


Hey Everyone
What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of 
pages you'll have to make changes on (like updating links...).  I was 
thinking that as long as I kept the same format throughout the site... that 
I could use CGI on the pages and have it call a .pm file that will have the 
link info and such.  Then I would only have to update the .pm file.  Are 
there any security risks in this?  I tried a sample and it worked fine 
except that once in a while the entire page will tile over itself many many 
times.  I'm not sure if that is a problem with my code or with my browser. 
 Any ideas?

Thanks!
Heather
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 11:02:33 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Covad ISP's
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103051419110.30285-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103061100490.20384-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Nate Carlson wrote:
> One note: These guys don't offer residential DSL anymore. All you can get
> is 384k SDSL.  :(
>
> I'm thinking of going with internetconnect.. anyone ever had experience
> with them?

Just ordered 1.5mb/384k ADSL from InternetConnect. $89/mo with 3 Static
IP's; bridged mode router.

Hopefully they will have decent service.. their web site's home page is in
flash.. *gulp*

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar  6 11:02:48 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
In-Reply-To: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>; from webgirl@wagtopia.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:38:01AM -0600
References: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <20010306110247.A8486@sherohman.org>

(Note:  Some parts of this response are dependent on the assumption that
you're using apache.)

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:38:01AM -0600, Heather Wagamon wrote:
> What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of 
> pages you'll have to make changes on (like updating links...).  I was 
> thinking that as long as I kept the same format throughout the site... that 
> I could use CGI on the pages and have it call a .pm file that will have the 
> link info and such.  Then I would only have to update the .pm file.

Are you using the perl to update internal links or just add standard headers
and footers to each page?  If the former, I would put the translations into
an external file so that even the script doesn't need to be modified.  If the
latter, it's already been done - check out mod_layout.

> Are 
> there any security risks in this?

As long as you use a subrequest to find the document to return, there
shouldn't be anything to worry about.  If you locate the files yourself,
you'll have to make sure that they're within the DocumentRoot or a valid
Location, come up with some way of handling dynamic content, etc.

> I tried a sample and it worked fine 
> except that once in a while the entire page will tile over itself many many 
> times.  I'm not sure if that is a problem with my code or with my browser. 

I'd say that's gotta be a problem with your code.  I've never heard of
anything that could cause a browser to do something like that on its own.

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar  6 11:07:46 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
References: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <3AA51962.3A14A352@ltiflex.com>

> What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of
> pages you'll have to make changes on 

That is a matter of opinion. For simple stuff like links I use Server Side
Includes. (old school!). You could do the same thing (and more) with PHP.
You could use a cgi script to do it but why reinvent the wheel (and open
potential security holes?) 

Consult your webserver documentation on how to enable Server Side Includes
(SSI). It's fairly easy (and well documented) under apache.

To include a file, the SSI code looks like this:
<!--#include file="whatever.snip" -->

Instead of saving your files as .html save them as .shtml, and add
index.shtml to the configurations DirectoryIndex variable. On my system
(Debian) it's in /etc/apache/srm.conf and looks like:

srm.conf:DirectoryIndex index.html index.shtml index.php index.php3
index.htm default.html index.cgi

What happens is when a webbrowser access a directory, the server looks for
index.html, then index.php, index.php3, etc until if finds the "index" page
and sends it to the client. If you don't have direct control over the
DirectoryIndex config, you'll have to use a meta redirect index. (And/or ask
your admin to enable SSI/PHP/etc and add names to DirectoryIndex.)

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From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Tue Mar  6 11:16:39 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
Message-ID: <01C0A62E.EAAA2720.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

I think I might just start over... I found a module called FastTemplate that might work better for my purposes...  :-)


-----Original Message-----
From:	Miller, John [SMTP:JMiller2@dainrauscher.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:53 AM
To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject:	RE: [TCLUG] perl

do you have a web site we could look at and do you have a section of code
that you could post the you think might be the offender.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher
Software Developer
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
home 763-572-1215
mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Wagamon [mailto:webgirl@wagtopia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:38 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: [TCLUG] perl


Hey Everyone
What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of 
pages you'll have to make changes on (like updating links...).  I was 
thinking that as long as I kept the same format throughout the site... that 
I could use CGI on the pages and have it call a .pm file that will have the 
link info and such.  Then I would only have to update the .pm file.  Are 
there any security risks in this?  I tried a sample and it worked fine 
except that once in a while the entire page will tile over itself many many 
times.  I'm not sure if that is a problem with my code or with my browser. 
 Any ideas?

Thanks!
Heather
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Tue Mar  6 12:00:27 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
In-Reply-To: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
References: <01C0A629.85891F40.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <m2n1aykcas.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> writes:

> Hey Everyone
> What's the best way to create a website in order to minimize the amount of 
> pages you'll have to make changes on (like updating links...).  I was 
> thinking that as long as I kept the same format throughout the site... that 
> I could use CGI on the pages and have it call a .pm file that will have the 
> link info and such.  Then I would only have to update the .pm file.  Are 
> there any security risks in this?  I tried a sample and it worked fine 
> except that once in a while the entire page will tile over itself many many 
> times.  I'm not sure if that is a problem with my code or with my browser. 
>  Any ideas?

Well, CGI always has more security risks than static html, but
well-written CGI can be plenty safe enough.

On your tiling over itself problem, I'd suspect a problem in your CGI,
that is, that you're generating bad html.
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From wilpike at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 12:01:45 2001
From: wilpike at yahoo.com (Wil Pike)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] lookin for a modem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010304220102.22691A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010306180145.38265.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com>

At last count I think 4 or 5, including at least one @
56k. Let me know if this is still an 'actively
seeking' - perhaps we can work out a barter?

Wil Pike
--- Colin Kilbane <colin@tyr.med.umn.edu> wrote:
> I'm givin away a pentium to a family freind and all
> my modems are kaput.
> Does anyone have a 33.6, or even 28.8 that will work
> under 98 that they
> want to unload for a couple of bucks? 
> 
> Colin
> 
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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Tue Mar  6 13:07:57 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
Message-ID: <0G9S007CXIJHB8@mail1.supervalu.com>

Hmm, I weighed my laptop on the scale (with the laptop battery in),
and it comes up to 7.6 lbs.  Not bad with everything it has in it.

- Nick





austad@marketwatch.com, on 03/01/2001 06:28:12 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop

We have this Dell Inspiron 7500 sitting here with pretty much the same specs
as yours.  The thing is absolutely huge, it weighs a ton, and it barely fits
in the laptop bag with the power supply.  

It's a windows box, and it shows up on the network as "boatanchor1".  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:44 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
> 
> 
> Considering you called it a beast, count me out.
> 
> :-)
> 
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of
> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Thinking about selling my laptop
> 
> 
> I was thinking about moving to a ultra-light notebook instead 
> of my current
> beast, so I thought there might be some interest here?
> 
> Here is what it is:
> 
> Compaq 1800T
> PIII 700MHz (w/ Speedstep)
> 18GB IBM hard drive
> 192
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Tue Mar  6 14:53:26 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061452230.28264-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

    New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife

   Don't open!



-- 
  "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
hurry." --Ralph



From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 14:50:58 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
In-Reply-To: <3AA4FB0C.2070105@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> Jonathan Kline wrote:
> 
> > Clay, The Microsoft Certified Solutions Partner on the
> > the walls in the pix is a great touch! :)
> > 
> You know, I was debating whether to fire up the gimp and change that to 
> Linux or something... but decided to leave it for the irony.

Speaking of little ironies, I get a lot of enjoyment out of knowing that
of all the computers at the U in EE/CS 2-120 with the sticker on the front
that reads "Donated by Microsoft Research," only one is running anything
produced by Microsoft, and that one's not for student use.

Phil M

-- 
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From ben at nerp.net  Tue Mar  6 14:57:29 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061452230.28264-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103061456330.13350-100000@chef>

please, don't send these to the tclug-list, most of us run linux, and just
don't care.

this is of course, you actualy sent this intentionaly, and didn't get hit
by a windows virus of some kind ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

>
>     New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife
>
>    Don't open!
>
>
>
> --
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> hurry." --Ralph
>
>
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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>


From ben at nerp.net  Tue Mar  6 15:02:09 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103061502010.13630-100000@chef>

haha.. are they running windows?

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Kline wrote:
> >
> > > Clay, The Microsoft Certified Solutions Partner on the
> > > the walls in the pix is a great touch! :)
> > >
> > You know, I was debating whether to fire up the gimp and change that to
> > Linux or something... but decided to leave it for the irony.
>
> Speaking of little ironies, I get a lot of enjoyment out of knowing that
> of all the computers at the U in EE/CS 2-120 with the sticker on the front
> that reads "Donated by Microsoft Research," only one is running anything
> produced by Microsoft, and that one's not for student use.
>
> Phil M
>
> --
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Tue Mar  6 15:09:19 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife Virus info
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061507540.28330-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


    This is the link for more information about the virus.




http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ_NAKEDWIFE



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hurry." --Ralph



From kent at structural-wood.com  Tue Mar  6 15:07:59 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061452230.28264-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <3AA551AF.D8028392@structural-wood.com>

Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
>     New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife
> 
>    Don't open!
> 
> --
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> hurry." --Ralph
> 

If I were to ever write a virus, the 'virus alert' message would have to be the 
vector of choice...

(I've seen 4 of these messages today, and I know our users are happily opening
each and every one, probably feeling virtuous that they are so virus aware...)

From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 13:50:39 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] snort 01-Mar-2001 rules and IDS links?
Message-ID: <20010306135039.E2219@real-time.com>

Anyone upgrade their snort to the 01-Mar-2001 rules?

If so, did you loose your IDS links in the reports from ACID?

Looking at the new rules I see this:

# UPDATED 02/21/2001
#
alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111,32771 (msg:"RPC portmap listing";
flags: A+; rpc: 100000,*,*;reference:arachnids,429;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC portmap request rstatd";
content: "|01 86 A0 00 00|"; reference:arachnids,10;)
alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET any (msg:"RPC EXPLOIT statdx"; flags:
A+; content: "/bin|c74604|/sh";reference:arachnids,442;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC portmap request
ttdbserv"; content:"|01 86 F3 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;
reference:arachnids,24;)

Notice there are no reference to the IDS.

Looking at the old rules:

# $Id: rpc-lib,v 1.2 2000/11/18 08:25:04 roesch Exp $

alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC Info Query"; content:"|00
01 86 A0 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 04|";)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS025 - RPC -
portmap-request-selection_svc"; content:"|01 86 AF 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS019 - RPC -
portmap-request-amountd"; content:"|01 87 03 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS016 - RPC -
portmap-request-bootparam"; content:"|01 86 BA 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS017 - RPC -
portmap-request-cmsd"; content:"|01 86 E4 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)

You can see the IDS numbers in the rules.


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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 15:12:36 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] snort 01-Mar-2001 rules and IDS links?
Message-ID: <20010306151236.A7553@real-time.com>

Anyone upgrade their snort to the 01-Mar-2001 rules?

If so, did you loose your IDS links in the reports from ACID?

Looking at the new rules I see this:

# UPDATED 02/21/2001
#
alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111,32771 (msg:"RPC portmap listing";
flags: A+; rpc: 100000,*,*;reference:arachnids,429;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC portmap request rstatd";
content: "|01 86 A0 00 00|"; reference:arachnids,10;)
alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET any (msg:"RPC EXPLOIT statdx"; flags:
A+; content: "/bin|c74604|/sh";reference:arachnids,442;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC portmap request
ttdbserv"; content:"|01 86 F3 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;
reference:arachnids,24;)

Notice there are no reference to the IDS.

Looking at the old rules:

# $Id: rpc-lib,v 1.2 2000/11/18 08:25:04 roesch Exp $

alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"RPC Info Query"; content:"|00
01 86 A0 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 04|";)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS025 - RPC -
portmap-request-selection_svc"; content:"|01 86 AF 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS019 - RPC -
portmap-request-amountd"; content:"|01 87 03 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS016 - RPC -
portmap-request-bootparam"; content:"|01 86 BA 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)
alert udp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 111 (msg:"IDS017 - RPC -
portmap-request-cmsd"; content:"|01 86 E4 00 00|";offset:40;depth:8;)

You can see the IDS numbers in the rules.

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 15:24:43 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:50:58PM -0600
References: <3AA4FB0C.2070105@fandre.com> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010306152443.A18645@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> Speaking of little ironies, I get a lot of enjoyment out of knowing that
> of all the computers at the U in EE/CS 2-120 with the sticker on the front
> that reads "Donated by Microsoft Research," only one is running anything
> produced by Microsoft, and that one's not for student use.
> 
> Phil M
> 

Those machines _are_ all donated by MS, but they're not MS-free.  They
dual-boot Windows (NT, I believe, maybe 2k) and RedHat.

Gabe
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Tue Mar  6 15:34:09 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103061456330.13350-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061532150.28330-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


   Yeah, that is true, but there are a lot of admins on the list who have
to support both NT and Unix at work, and I thought it might save them some
time to do more interesting things than restoring NT boxes. Sorry if my
efforts were not welcome though...


On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Ben Kochie wrote:

> please, don't send these to the tclug-list, most of us run linux, and just
> don't care.
> 
> this is of course, you actualy sent this intentionaly, and didn't get hit
> by a windows virus of some kind ;)
> 
> Thank You,
>         Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
> 
>  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
> 
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> >
> >     New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife
> >
> >    Don't open!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> > hurry." --Ralph
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

-- 
  "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
hurry." --Ralph



From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Tue Mar  6 15:32:45 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl
Message-ID: <01C0A652.B16B4420.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

Thanks for all of your help- everyone!  I'm working on trying a few things right now and hopefully something will work out for me!  

:-)  thanks!
Heather

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar  6 15:32:25 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Installfest notes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:50:58PM -0600
References: <3AA4FB0C.2070105@fandre.com> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103061447170.21613-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010306153225.T6984@ringworld.org>

* Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu> [010306 15:01]:
> Speaking of little ironies, I get a lot of enjoyment out of knowing that
> of all the computers at the U in EE/CS 2-120 with the sticker on the front

Actually, they are dual boot machines running NT and RedHat.  I don't
think Microsoft donates hw to us anymore after that :)

/me works at cs.umn.edu, feel free to spam operator@itlabs if youve got
issues.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Tue Mar  6 15:32:00 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
Message-ID: <01C0A652.96ACA5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

I like getting virus alerts as long as they're valid.  We run Linux servers 
but all of our computers are win98.  I would way rather get a short email 
than have to reinstall windows across the whole company.


-----Original Message-----
From:	Ben Kochie [SMTP:ben@nerp.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:57 PM
To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!

please, don't send these to the tclug-list, most of us run linux, and just
don't care.

this is of course, you actualy sent this intentionaly, and didn't get hit
by a windows virus of some kind ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

>
>     New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife
>
>    Don't open!
>
>
>
> --
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> hurry." --Ralph
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar  6 15:53:39 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <01C0A652.96ACA5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>; from webgirl@wagtopia.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:32:00PM -0600
References: <01C0A652.96ACA5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <20010306155339.U6984@ringworld.org>

* Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> [010306 15:48]:
> I like getting virus alerts as long as they're valid.  We run Linux servers 
> but all of our computers are win98.  I would way rather get a short email 
> than have to reinstall windows across the whole company.

There are virus alert mailing lists outside of tclug.  Use those.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jsowers at osii.com  Tue Mar  6 16:12:50 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <20010306155339.U6984@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFAECKCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I have recently moved down here from, well, north of St. Cloud.  Obviously
there is greater population density here than in St. Cloud so the LUG is
thriving.  I usually get some 150 messages from you guys just over the
weekend.

SCALUG is having some problems as of late.  Their fearless leader had to
recently step down.  Everyone wants to meet, but no one is willing to do the
legwork to get it going again.  The web page is severely out of date, and
they have no planned meetings.  The problem would seem to be that they have
no ONE to direct them.  They have become wandering nomads that post messages
once in a great while.

If you have any suggestions for them, or if there is anyone out there who is
willing to give advice/help of any sort, please help them out.

Obvious web page:

http://www.scalug.org

or mail linux@scalug.org

Thank you all for your continual search for a better Software world.



____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:54 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife Virus alert!


* Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> [010306 15:48]:
> I like getting virus alerts as long as they're valid.  We run Linux
servers
> but all of our computers are win98.  I would way rather get a short email
> than have to reinstall windows across the whole company.

There are virus alert mailing lists outside of tclug.  Use those.

--
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Tue Mar  6 16:20:44 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
Message-ID: <saa50e71.059@mdh-gw1>

I would not suggest that this is not a Linux-mostly mailing list, and I think we should at least try to stay on-task  (using 'OT:' or 'Off Topic:' on the subject line when sending interesting but non-Linux related stuff would be appreciated), but to be helpful:

What virus/security mailing lists and web sites do people here use?
What do you think of them?

Even if nobody minded seeing virus info here, I am sure there are much better sources of information about viruses than TCLUG.

>>> dieman+tclug@ringworld.org 03/06/01 03:53PM >>>
* Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> [010306 15:48]:
> I like getting virus alerts as long as they're valid.  We run Linux servers 
> but all of our computers are win98.  I would way rather get a short email 
> than have to reinstall windows across the whole company.

There are virus alert mailing lists outside of tclug.  Use those.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Tue Mar  6 16:51:56 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061532150.28330-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <3AA56A0C.FEFF35AD@black-hole.com>

Ben's the only one that pisses and moans about it.

Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

>    Yeah, that is true, but there are a lot of admins on the list who have
> to support both NT and Unix at work, and I thought it might save them some
> time to do more interesting things than restoring NT boxes. Sorry if my
> efforts were not welcome though...
>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Ben Kochie wrote:
>
> > please, don't send these to the tclug-list, most of us run linux, and just
> > don't care.
> >
> > this is of course, you actualy sent this intentionaly, and didn't get hit
> > by a windows virus of some kind ;)
> >
> > Thank You,
> >         Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
> >
> >  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >     New virus spreading fast. Called Fw: Naked Wife
> > >
> > >    Don't open!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> > > hurry." --Ralph
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
> --
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> hurry." --Ralph
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 17:30:29 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
Message-ID: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>

I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great support, great hardware
and people who got Linux.

Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from MS LookOut, as HTML WITH a MS
word attachment!

It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse has people sending mail with
Microsoft crap.

:-(

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3

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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Tue Mar  6 16:06:01 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th 6pm
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Hey LUGies-

Ok I *think* I got the date right this time.. ;op
BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th, 6pm at the Water Tower Brewing Company
in Eden Prairie.

All the details are here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting


At the installfest I recieved a few suggestions about having an
after-the-monthly-meeting beer/beverage/food meeting.  Anyone interested in
this?


-Jacque

_______________________________________________
tclug-announce mailing list
tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 17:45:59 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th 6pm
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010306174559.P29621@real-time.com>

> At the installfest I recieved a few suggestions about having an
> after-the-monthly-meeting beer/beverage/food meeting.  Anyone interested in
> this?

I think it's a great idea.

SCALUG used to do that all the time (back when they had regular meetings).
since the meetings stopped; we're considering just bringing back the pizza
meetings. :)

that's one of the things that really surprised me when I first came to TCLUG
meetings... that there wasn't a general pizza munch afterwards.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From thudak at sistina.com  Tue Mar  6 17:55:54 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 05:30:29PM -0600
References: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010306175554.A14063@cesium.sistina.com>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 05:30:29PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great support, great hardware
>and people who got Linux.
>
>Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from MS LookOut, as HTML WITH a MS
>word attachment!
>
>It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse has people sending mail with
>Microsoft crap.
>
>:-(
>
>-- 
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3
>
Send a reply stating if that kind of unethical behavior continues, you will no
longer use / purchase / recommend VA in any way shape or form, nor could you
conciously permit yourself to *want* anything to do with them. C'mon VA, is it
that bad that you have to revert to M$? I thought I saw something along the
lines of linux based PC manufacturing and sales, wtf happened to believing in
your product? I swear at one point they laid claim to having the most linux
knowledge per cube of any company in the world, whatever happened to that? is
outlook that good?

I feel so used... next thing you know, they'll start shipping w2k systems!
GAH!!


-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar  6 18:09:53 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 05:30:29PM -0600
References: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010306180953.A3525@vm-lvm>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 05:30:29PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great support, great hardware
>and people who got Linux.
>
>Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from MS LookOut, as HTML WITH a MS
>word attachment!
>
>It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse has people sending mail with
>Microsoft crap.
>

I think they're circling the bowl. Thier service has got a huge layer of
"suck" wrapped around it. Sistina will not be bying anyting more from them if
I have anything to say about it. Dell has lost our business too. We had two
damn laptops we wanted to buy an the salesperson was an ass. He treated the
administrative person who was handling it for me like shit. 

A little customer service goes a long way.



>:-(
>
>-- 
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3
>



-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar  6 18:10:23 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th 6pm
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010306181023.B3525@vm-lvm>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
>Hey LUGies-
>
>Ok I *think* I got the date right this time.. ;op
>BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th, 6pm at the Water Tower Brewing Company
>in Eden Prairie.
>
>All the details are here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting
>
>
>At the installfest I recieved a few suggestions about having an
>after-the-monthly-meeting beer/beverage/food meeting.  Anyone interested in
>this?

I prolly would go.

>
>
>-Jacque
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-announce mailing list
>tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 18:32:07 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010306180953.A3525@vm-lvm>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 06:09:53PM -0600
References: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com> <20010306180953.A3525@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <20010306183207.J2219@real-time.com>

> I think they're circling the bowl. Thier service has got a huge layer of
> "suck" wrapped around it. Sistina will not be bying anyting more from them if
> I have anything to say about it. Dell has lost our business too. We had two
> damn laptops we wanted to buy an the salesperson was an ass. He treated the
> administrative person who was handling it for me like shit. 
> 
> A little customer service goes a long way.

Who you going to try next?

Penguin?

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3

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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Tue Mar  6 18:56:57 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <saa50e71.059@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <3AA58759.60F87A68@black-hole.com>

I get the hard info on virus alerts from SecurityAlert@bcdimail.com, but those messages dobn't come in until about 7pm if someone one tclug sends out an alert I usualy have it before I leave work at 5.  as far as useing the OT on a virus alert, yes it would be
appropriate, but then we already know if it's a virus alert it's about win, and yes I run Linux but I also have to take care of win 98, and win 2000 and win NT and FreeBSD and Netware 5.1, and BEOs.

Troy Johnson wrote:

> I would not suggest that this is not a Linux-mostly mailing list, and I think we should at least try to stay on-task  (using 'OT:' or 'Off Topic:' on the subject line when sending interesting but non-Linux related stuff would be appreciated), but to be helpful:
>
> What virus/security mailing lists and web sites do people here use?
> What do you think of them?
>
> Even if nobody minded seeing virus info here, I am sure there are much better sources of information about viruses than TCLUG.
>
> >>> dieman+tclug@ringworld.org 03/06/01 03:53PM >>>
> * Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> [010306 15:48]:
> > I like getting virus alerts as long as they're valid.  We run Linux servers
> > but all of our computers are win98.  I would way rather get a short email
> > than have to reinstall windows across the whole company.
>
> There are virus alert mailing lists outside of tclug.  Use those.
>
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
>
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From mtsqph at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 19:48:35 2001
From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010307014835.56251.qmail@web10311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> wrote:
> I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great
> support, great hardware
> and people who got Linux.
> 
> Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from
> MS LookOut, as HTML WITH a MS
> word attachment!
> 
> It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse
> has people sending mail with
> Microsoft crap.
> 
> :-(

It pays to read Reuters Business News... didn't you
know that VA Linux was in talks with Microsoft for
some kind of deal to port Linux and Windows... to
develop an 'open source' product... through the
joining of the two..!!! DIG THAT! Talk about selling
out for bucks... 
It is time for folks to get back in the trenches and
screw the happy 'push the button, oh! Look how simple
we have made Linux for you!' bullshit... Linux is for
geeks PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And if it is to stay free and
open then it is up to everyone who uses it to teach
others how to without the mumbojumbo and holier than
thou attitude so prevalent on so many sites! (Which I
am proud to report I do not see in prevalence on this
LUG! Give yourselves an 'atta boy/girl' folks!!!) We
have to share more info and resource material... with
those 'out there' ya know, the person down the road
who bought Linux, 'cause it's cool... but can't tell
you one thing about his file system!  And you have to
know the 'enemy'... ignorance... that is the only real
enemy, and if folks are going to gain control of
computing and systems... Linux is the way. 
Now I am not cussing you... I am just on a soapbox!!!
And I am mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it
anymore... To hell with windows to hell with
Microsoft!!! Lock yourself in the lab and don't come
out until you know the kernel source code by heart
(that is what I am doing!!! before I build my next
box!!!) and can manipulate it to your liking!!! How's
that for radical??? (LOL) Oh, yeah~ we hot now baby! O
yeah! Put on the penguin suit... pack a lunch stay the
day!!! When tyranny is law... revolution is order...
Yippie!!! 
Damn, bet I forgot to take my lithium... I am off the
box... bye.
Manuel



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From nate at techie.com  Tue Mar  6 19:48:08 2001
From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th 6pm
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010306194808.A20717@candle.dyn.dhs.org>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
> At the installfest I recieved a few suggestions about having an
> after-the-monthly-meeting beer/beverage/food meeting.  Anyone interested in
> this?

Definately interested.  I would also recommend contacting LWN and adding
the TCLUG meeting to their LUG events calendar.  

Nate

From jts at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 20:57:14 2001
From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <200103070107.f27172l21613@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Look at the bright side -- maybe VA hires dorks now, but SourceForge still
kicks butt!!

http://sourceforge.net/

Joel

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) wrote:
> I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great support, great hardware
> and people who got Linux.
> 
> Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from MS LookOut, as HTML WITH
> a MS word attachment!
> 
> It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse has people sending mail
> with Microsoft crap.
> 
> :-(


From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar  6 21:08:21 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010306183207.J2219@real-time.com>
References: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com>
	<20010306180953.A3525@vm-lvm>  <20010306183207.J2219@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200103070308.f2738Ml24191@sprite.real-time.com>

On 06 Mar 2001 18:32:07 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > I think they're circling the bowl. Thier service has got a huge layer of
> > "suck" wrapped around it. Sistina will not be bying anyting more from them if
> > I have anything to say about it. Dell has lost our business too. We had two
> > damn laptops we wanted to buy an the salesperson was an ass. He treated the
> > administrative person who was handling it for me like shit. 
> > 
> > A little customer service goes a long way.
> 
> Who you going to try next?

I deal with Western Scientific. They kick major ass. The understand the
linux market and offer great service. Want me to send you my dealers
contact info?


> 
> Penguin?
> 
> -- 
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15  623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3
> 


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar  6 22:03:36 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062200330.32688-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

How 'bout this. I changed my /boot to reiserfs, which killed lilo. At boot
lilo would go LI and hang. Booting from a rescue CD and trying to rerun
lilo didn't work - lilo complains that the map file is bad.

Which is weird, I did have it running on one of the previous
incarnations (this is the 7th reinstall since Friday).

Anyway, switched that back to ext2, rebooted and tried to install X 4.0.2.
Onto a reiserfs filesystem. I get this:

Extracting Xetc.tgz into a temporary location ...
== Extracting /mnt/src/X/Xetc.tgz ==
kernel BUG at inode.c:376!
invalid operand: 0000
CPU:    0
EIP:    0010:[<c018fe09>]
EFLAGS: 00010282

Fun, huh? Time to apply patches...



-Yaron

--


From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Mar  6 22:17:21 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062200330.32688-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <00d401c0a6bd$812a32b0$0100a8c0@cascade>

You need lilo-21.6 and if you use reiserfs with glibc-2.2.x, then you need
lilo-21.6.1.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yaron" <jethro@freakzilla.com>
To: "TCLUG" <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...


>   Hi,
>
> How 'bout this. I changed my /boot to reiserfs, which killed lilo. At boot
> lilo would go LI and hang. Booting from a rescue CD and trying to rerun
> lilo didn't work - lilo complains that the map file is bad.
>
> Which is weird, I did have it running on one of the previous
> incarnations (this is the 7th reinstall since Friday).
>
> Anyway, switched that back to ext2, rebooted and tried to install X 4.0.2.
> Onto a reiserfs filesystem. I get this:
>
> Extracting Xetc.tgz into a temporary location ...
> == Extracting /mnt/src/X/Xetc.tgz ==
> kernel BUG at inode.c:376!
> invalid operand: 0000
> CPU:    0
> EIP:    0010:[<c018fe09>]
> EFLAGS: 00010282
>
> Fun, huh? Time to apply patches...
>
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar  6 22:33:37 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] I give up
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062231120.688-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

Hell with it. I've tried:

o Red Hat 7.1 Beta
o Mandrake 8.0 Beta
o FreeBSD 4.2
o FreeBSD 4.1.1
o Red Hat 7.0
o debian, whatever the hell the latest RELEASE is.


I give up. I'm going back to Red Hat 6.2. In fact, had RH7.1b not formated
my old / I'd pretty much return the damn new harddrive that caused all
this in the FIRST place (well, not it's fault, but still).


-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar  6 23:14:54 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...
In-Reply-To: <00d401c0a6bd$812a32b0$0100a8c0@cascade>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062314190.1226-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

> You need lilo-21.6 and if you use reiserfs with glibc-2.2.x, then you need
> lilo-21.6.1.

Doesn't matter. It does on my regular partitions. Kernel panic. *shakes
head* I _hate_ computers....

-Yaron

--


From thekremer at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 23:20:13 2001
From: thekremer at yahoo.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200103070520.f275KNx08547@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

or be creative...maybe he was sending it from outlook while using wine, and
he just hadn't taken the time to change his settings yet...
i know it's highly unlikely...but it's possible
or maybe i'm just full of crap, but hey i tried

-kremer

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote:
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:57:14 -0600 (CST)
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: Joel T Schneider <jts@tc.umn.edu>
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
> 
> Look at the bright side -- maybe VA hires dorks now, but SourceForge
> still
> kicks butt!!
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) wrote:
> > I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great support, great
> hardware
> > and people who got Linux.
> > 
> > Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from MS LookOut, as HTML
> WITH
> > a MS word attachment!
> > 
> > It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse has people sending
> mail
> > with Microsoft crap.
> > 
> > :-(
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar  6 23:43:43 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RDF sources?
Message-ID: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com>

I am playing around with Evolutions Executive Summary and I want to know if
there are any other RDF sources out there.

I got Slashdot. Is there one for freshmeat? Linux Today?

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar  7 00:29:41 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <200103070308.f2738Ml24191@sprite.real-time.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 09:08:21PM -0600
References: <20010306173029.B2219@real-time.com> <20010306180953.A3525@vm-lvm> <20010306183207.J2219@real-time.com> <200103070308.f2738Ml24191@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010307002941.B2416@ringworld.org>

* Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> [010306 21:29]:
> I deal with Western Scientific. They kick major ass. The understand the

The cluster we got from them was ok.

We just got some machines from Reason computers.  Local shop.  Going to
install them soon, I think.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jsowers at osii.com  Wed Mar  7 07:54:10 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <20010307014835.56251.qmail@web10311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEDACJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

What sucks is that everyone is doing it.  M$ put all that money into Corel,
and look what happened.  They pulled out and Corel started supporting Linux
again.

Money talks and BS walks gentlemen and women.  That, unfortunately, is the
way of the business world.

____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of grey Moon-Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:49 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)



--- Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> wrote:
> I use to love VA. In the old days they rocked. Great
> support, great hardware
> and people who got Linux.
>
> Today, I got email from a dork at VA. It came from
> MS LookOut, as HTML WITH a MS
> word attachment!
>
> It's a sad day when the supposedly Linux powerhouse
> has people sending mail with
> Microsoft crap.
>
> :-(

It pays to read Reuters Business News... didn't you
know that VA Linux was in talks with Microsoft for
some kind of deal to port Linux and Windows... to
develop an 'open source' product... through the
joining of the two..!!! DIG THAT! Talk about selling
out for bucks...
It is time for folks to get back in the trenches and
screw the happy 'push the button, oh! Look how simple
we have made Linux for you!' bullshit... Linux is for
geeks PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And if it is to stay free and
open then it is up to everyone who uses it to teach
others how to without the mumbojumbo and holier than
thou attitude so prevalent on so many sites! (Which I
am proud to report I do not see in prevalence on this
LUG! Give yourselves an 'atta boy/girl' folks!!!) We
have to share more info and resource material... with
those 'out there' ya know, the person down the road
who bought Linux, 'cause it's cool... but can't tell
you one thing about his file system!  And you have to
know the 'enemy'... ignorance... that is the only real
enemy, and if folks are going to gain control of
computing and systems... Linux is the way.
Now I am not cussing you... I am just on a soapbox!!!
And I am mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it
anymore... To hell with windows to hell with
Microsoft!!! Lock yourself in the lab and don't come
out until you know the kernel source code by heart
(that is what I am doing!!! before I build my next
box!!!) and can manipulate it to your liking!!! How's
that for radical??? (LOL) Oh, yeah~ we hot now baby! O
yeah! Put on the penguin suit... pack a lunch stay the
day!!! When tyranny is law... revolution is order...
Yippie!!!
Damn, bet I forgot to take my lithium... I am off the
box... bye.
Manuel



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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Mar  7 08:18:53 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEDACJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103070818110.8001-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Jason Sowers wrote:

> Money talks and BS walks gentlemen and women.

Ladies. Gentlemen and LADIES.

Sorry, weird mood...

God I need to install IMP on this machine...

-Yaron

--


From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Wed Mar  7 08:58:47 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th 6pm
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMAEKOCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com> <20010306194808.A20717@candle.dyn.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <005701c0a717$1d3cbca0$eaaf7a81@doug>

Gulp, Count me in ;)~

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: <nate@techie.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th
6pm


> On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:06:01PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
> > At the installfest I recieved a few suggestions about having an
> > after-the-monthly-meeting beer/beverage/food meeting.  Anyone interested
in
> > this?
>
> Definately interested.  I would also recommend contacting LWN and adding
> the TCLUG meeting to their LUG events calendar.
>
> Nate
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar  7 09:03:28 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <200103070520.f275KNx08547@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA64DBB.CDC4B02F@eetc.com>

Maybe it was on a Mac.  Mac's rule.  I personally use netscape but Outlook has
some nice features that netscape doesn't.  Besides, they both suck.
Dream machine:  G4 Dual 733 w/ DVD-RAM drive running dual boot OSX and Linux.

sim


Justin Kremer wrote:

> or be creative...maybe he was sending it from outlook while using wine, and
> he just hadn't taken the time to change his settings yet...
> i know it's highly unlikely...but it's possible
> or maybe i'm just full of crap, but hey i tried
>
> -kremer


From jsowers at osii.com  Wed Mar  7 09:12:50 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103070818110.8001-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEDCCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Actually what I was going for was gentlewomen.  Guess I failed.  Sorry man.

____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:19 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)


  Hi,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Jason Sowers wrote:

> Money talks and BS walks gentlemen and women.

Ladies. Gentlemen and LADIES.

Sorry, weird mood...

God I need to install IMP on this machine...

-Yaron

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed Mar  7 09:16:44 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting this Thursday March 8th
 6pm
In-Reply-To: <20010306194808.A20717@candle.dyn.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070914450.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

It has come to my attention that Jacque finally got the date right.
Nice job Jacque!!!

(Sorry, I had to)

-Brian


From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed Mar  7 09:28:00 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote:

> Look at the bright side -- maybe VA hires dorks now, but SourceForge still
> kicks butt!!
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/
> 
> Joel

Brian replies:

What can you expect?  Everyone hires dorks now.  Tech Colleges are
spitting out M$ programmed dorks at steady rates.  They're cheap labor.
You want a cheap dork?  Sorry, you need to downgrade to crappy software
that they understand.  Sad, really.  

On another note, I noticed a post about Reason Computers.  Do they support
linux?  I'm impressed with them from what I've seen.  Custom built white
box PCs in large quantities.  On site service.  Warranties.  All the stuff
that PHBs want with the hardware that the techs like.  Add in linux
support, and I'd say we have a winner.

-Brian


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 09:39:28 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 09:28:00AM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <20010307093928.A20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> On another note, I noticed a post about Reason Computers.  Do they support
> linux?  I'm impressed with them from what I've seen.  Custom built white
> box PCs in large quantities.  On site service.  Warranties.  All the stuff
> that PHBs want with the hardware that the techs like.  Add in linux
> support, and I'd say we have a winner.
> 

A URL would be handy :)

Gabe
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Gabe Turner				       |  	   X-President,
UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of 
 the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross."

								- John Adams
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From phillips at churchillnet.com  Wed Mar  7 09:45:33 2001
From: phillips at churchillnet.com (Rick Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] VA Sucks
Message-ID: <005c01c0a71d$a5570e50$0664a8c0@rickw2k>

I recently needed to add another Linux box to our network. Since we
currently own a VA box, that has performed well, I thought I would try to
get another. Guess what? They seem to not want to sell one box at a time any
longer. I tried on three occassions to get a quote from some idiot (Rich
something) in their Chicago office, and he kept losing my information, never
got back to me, etc. At the same time, I had a tape unit go bad. It was
nearly impossible to get through to VA's tech support, which a year or so
ago was GREAT!

I thought I would try Penguin Computing, and they were great. I got right
through to a sales rep, confiigured the machine I needed, and got it
ordered. He even sent a bunch of t-shirts. I got the machine in about a
week, and the salesperson (Andre) even called to see if I got it, and has
e-mailed me on a few occasions to see if everything is working.

The bottom line is that I needed a fairly high-end ($7000) computer and
Penguin came through. The machine is well made, runs great, and has great
support.

I looked into Penguin a little, and it appears that it was started by a
couple of VA guys who left to start their own firm.

Rick Phillips
Churchill Capital
(612) 673-6738
phillips@churchillnet.com


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 10:01:01 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 09:28:00AM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103062049380.17838-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <20010307100101.A437@real-time.com>

Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com):
> On another note, I noticed a post about Reason Computers.  Do they support
> linux?  I'm impressed with them from what I've seen.  Custom built white
> box PCs in large quantities.  On site service.  Warranties.  All the stuff
> that PHBs want with the hardware that the techs like.  Add in linux
> support, and I'd say we have a winner.

Url for Reason please....

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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 10:05:30 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RDF sources?
In-Reply-To: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 11:43:43PM -0600
References: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010307100529.A15629@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 11:43:43PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> I am playing around with Evolutions Executive Summary and I want to know if
> there are any other RDF sources out there.
> 
> I got Slashdot. Is there one for freshmeat? Linux Today?

Yes and yes (I think).  The best list of RDFs that I know is 
slashdot's list of slashboxes - http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=edithome .
Of course, they don't list the actual .rdfs there - you'd have
to look at slashcode.  But I found better links from this article
on rdf and RSS - http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/01/rss.html .

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |
crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |

From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org  Wed Mar  7 10:18:19 2001
From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307100101.A437@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCGOKJELAOOKKMDKEKHCEAA.jon.erickson@neicoltech.org>

> Url for Reason please....

Here ya go!  I've been real pleased with the Reason Computers we've had
(roughly 200).  Customer service is pretty good too.

http://www.reasoncomputer.com/

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
| Jon Erickson                 |
| NEI College of Technology    |
| (763)782.7342                |
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


From spencer at sihope.com  Wed Mar  7 04:24:25 2001
From: spencer at sihope.com (AAA)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
Message-ID: <200103071024250963.0DF902BC@smtp.sihope.com>

""To hell with windows to hell with
Microsoft!!! Lock yourself in the lab and don't come
out until you know the kernel source code by heart
(that is what I am doing!!! before I build my next
box!!!) and can manipulate it to your liking!!! How's
that for radical??? (LOL) Oh, yeah~ we hot now baby! O
yeah! Put on the penguin suit... pack a lunch stay the
day!!! When tyranny is law... revolution is order...
Yippie!!! 
Damn, bet I forgot to take my lithium... I am off the
box... bye.""

If this is not reason enough to use Linux, then what is?
Linux not only provides the source for the OS, but also the source for insanity. You just gotta love it. Just like crack, but without the annoying side-effects.
bend over bill...

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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Wed Mar  7 10:25:42 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
Message-ID: <saa60caf.061@mdh-gw1>

I have also found _very_ shoddy service at Dell, which is strange since we now buy _many_ Dell computers every year because they are our new standard supplier. Bureaucracies are just so much fun. ;-)

>>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/06/01 06:09PM >>>
Dell has lost our business too. 


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Wed Mar  7 10:37:47 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM>

www.reasoncomputer.com

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:01 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url


Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com):
> On another note, I noticed a post about Reason Computers.  Do they support
> linux?  I'm impressed with them from what I've seen.  Custom built white
> box PCs in large quantities.  On site service.  Warranties.  All the stuff
> that PHBs want with the hardware that the techs like.  Add in linux
> support, and I'd say we have a winner.

Url for Reason please....

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 10:42:57 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 10:37:47AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Ugh... I'm guessing they're not a Linux shop....  Whenever I try to view
any of their configurations, all I get is a blank page (I'm using Netscape
4.76 in Linux).

Also, they don't set their background to white.  So I get grey bg with a
bunch of white bg gifs :)  

Gabe

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 10:37:47AM -0600, Miller, John wrote:
> www.reasoncomputer.com
> 
> John Miller
> Dain Rauscher Inc.
> Application Services
> IS Capital Markets
> Phone 612-547-7573
> Fax 612-547-7580
> 
> 
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gabe Turner				       |  	   X-President,
UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of 
 the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross."

								- John Adams
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From jurupari at geocities.com  Wed Mar  7 10:44:45 2001
From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307100101.A437@real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103070917090.1509-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 09:28:00AM -0600
Message-ID: <200103071645.f27GjJx21146@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

> Url for Reason please....

http://www.reasoncomputer.com/



From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar  7 10:43:43 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks)
In-Reply-To: <saa60caf.061@mdh-gw1>; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 10:25:42AM -0600
References: <saa60caf.061@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <20010307104343.A1555@ringworld.org>

* Troy Johnson <Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us> [010307 10:27]:
> I have also found _very_ shoddy service at Dell, which is strange since we now buy _many_ Dell computers every year because they are our new standard supplier. Bureaucracies are just so much fun. ;-)

Our dell stuff is just fine.  I dont know why, but generally if I call
for a part, they just ship it.  We asked for a whole case once. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From bexley at daily.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 10:58:09 2001
From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <3AA58759.60F87A68@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <3AA61440.13810.50F49A5@localhost>

b. toberman said:

> the OT on a virus alert, yes it would be appropriate, but then we already
> know if it's a virus alert it's about win, and yes I run Linux but I also
> have to take care of win 98, and win 2000 and win NT and FreeBSD and
> Netware 5.1, and BEOs.

Wow someone else lives in my world of pain? Actually we're still on 
Netware 4.11 here...heh. Actually, we technically have no linux 
servers at the moment (BSD ones though), but we should be 
getting one soon.

I certainly hope that Win 2k sucks less with Netware 5 that 4, but 
I'm not too optimistic...

Ben

p.s. Yes, it's OT- Sorry, but I did put OT up there ;) 
-----
Benjamin Exley
Information Systems Manager
The Minnesota Daily
bexley@mndaily.com
(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190

From jurupari at geocities.com  Wed Mar  7 11:06:49 2001
From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell service
In-Reply-To: <saa60caf.061@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <200103071707.f27H7Nx06199@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

> I have also found _very_ shoddy service at Dell, which is strange since we now buy _many_ Dell computers every year because they are our new standard supplier. Bureaucracies are just so much fun. ;-)
> 
> >>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/06/01 06:09PM >>>
> Dell has lost our business too. 

Apparently their service must depend a lot upon who you talk to when 
you can. That is unfortunate. I have received very good service for 
the three things I had to call about over the last few years.

Obviously I don't deal with them much, but I have been quite happy 
with the service I have received when have I had to.

Just throwing out my $0.02!

Mike


From drew at usfamily.net  Wed Mar  7 11:13:03 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (andrew nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
Message-ID: <200103071713.f27HDvl12332@sprite.real-time.com>

I've been informed that next week I will have to install, Linux/NT dual 
boot machines at work. I figured that I would use RedHat as the linux 
version. But my question is how would I go about the installation order? 
Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around. My 
primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if the root 
partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy to 
boot linux will be unexceptable. So I was thinking about installing linux 
first and then NT second. However I'm conserned about NT owerwriting the 
linux partition. Since at least one person here must have done something 
very similar please give me as much advice as possible.





------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------


From kethry at winternet.com  Wed Mar  7 11:19:22 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
In-Reply-To: <200103071713.f27HDvl12332@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103071119070.10986-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

everytime I've done this, the only way it worked was to install windows
first and then linux

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, andrew nemchenko wrote:

> I've been informed that next week I will have to install, Linux/NT dual 
> boot machines at work. I figured that I would use RedHat as the linux 
> version. But my question is how would I go about the installation order? 
> Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around. My 
> primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if the root 
> partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy to 
> boot linux will be unexceptable. So I was thinking about installing linux 
> first and then NT second. However I'm conserned about NT owerwriting the 
> linux partition. Since at least one person here must have done something 
> very similar please give me as much advice as possible.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

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URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 11:39:02 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 10:42:57AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM> <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com>

Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu):
> Ugh... I'm guessing they're not a Linux shop....  Whenever I try to view
> any of their configurations, all I get is a blank page (I'm using Netscape
> 4.76 in Linux).
> 
> Also, they don't set their background to white.  So I get grey bg with a
> bunch of white bg gifs :)  


<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">

Guess not. :-(


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From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com  Wed Mar  7 11:34:27 2001
From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F1B9@ipserver2.interplastic.com>

I've had the same results.  You should have no problems.  You can install
lilo to the mbr.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Liz Burke-Scovill [SMTP:kethry@winternet.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:19 AM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] more installation fun
> 
> 
> everytime I've done this, the only way it worked was to install windows
> first and then linux
> 
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, andrew nemchenko wrote:
> 
> > I've been informed that next week I will have to install, Linux/NT dual 
> > boot machines at work. I figured that I would use RedHat as the linux 
> > version. But my question is how would I go about the installation order?
> 
> > Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around. My
> 
> > primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if the
> root 
> > partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy to 
> > boot linux will be unexceptable. So I was thinking about installing
> linux 
> > first and then NT second. However I'm conserned about NT owerwriting the
> 
> > linux partition. Since at least one person here must have done something
> 
> > very similar please give me as much advice as possible.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo!
> ------
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
> 
> 

From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed Mar  7 12:09:26 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071207140.7160-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
> 
> Guess not. :-(

I figured they weren't a "linux shop" persay, I was just wondering if they
supported linux.  I know an IS guy who deals heavily with them and he
sends them drive images and they load it for him right at the shop.
Sounds like they're VERY flexible, I was just wondering if they had any
linux geeks working in the back.


From ml at drase.com  Wed Mar  7 12:25:52 2001
From: ml at drase.com (ml)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix ships
Message-ID: <200103071833.SAA92043@ann.skypoint.net>

Hi,

I'm new to this list, just joined this morning. A linux newbie hoping to escape dependence on MS and learning Linux so I can do 
Kylix development (mainly do Delphi on Win currently).

Has there been much discussion here about Kylix? Borland just announced today that it is shipping. See 

http://www.borland.com/about/press/2001/kylix_mainstream.html


From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Mar  7 12:27:18 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix ships
References: <200103071833.SAA92043@ann.skypoint.net>
Message-ID: <017101c0a734$3e7f9320$3028680a@tgt.com>

The biggest problem that I see is that it is binary distributed only.  Not
so bad except for the constantly changing nature of glibc on linux systems.
You will be forced to run an old version to use it or perhaps load compat
libraries which have a history of not working well.

And lastly, the biggest problem I see is that it has ONLY been released in
RPM format - or so I have been led to believe by the "requirements" page.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "ml" <ml@drase.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix ships


> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this list, just joined this morning. A linux newbie hoping to
escape dependence on MS and learning Linux so I can do
> Kylix development (mainly do Delphi on Win currently).
>
> Has there been much discussion here about Kylix? Borland just announced
today that it is shipping. See
>
> http://www.borland.com/about/press/2001/kylix_mainstream.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From atebbe at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 12:32:50 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 11:39:02AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM> <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010307123250.C11373@real-time.com>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 11:39:02AM -0600, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote:
> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu):
> > Ugh... I'm guessing they're not a Linux shop....  Whenever I try to view
> > any of their configurations, all I get is a blank page (I'm using Netscape
> > 4.76 in Linux).
> > 
> > Also, they don't set their background to white.  So I get grey bg with a
> > bunch of white bg gifs :)  
> 
> 
> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
> 
> Guess not. :-(

FrontPage rules!

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Real Time Enterprises, Inc.	                  Fax: 952.943.8500
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 12:36:05 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062200330.32688-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AA67F95.E0A2981F@tc.umn.edu>

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> How 'bout this. I changed my /boot to reiserfs, which killed lilo. At boot
> lilo would go LI and hang. Booting from a rescue CD and trying to rerun
> lilo didn't work - lilo complains that the map file is bad.
> 
> Which is weird, I did have it running on one of the previous
> incarnations (this is the 7th reinstall since Friday).
> 
> Anyway, switched that back to ext2, rebooted and tried to install X 4.0.2.
> Onto a reiserfs filesystem. I get this:
> 
> Extracting Xetc.tgz into a temporary location ...
> == Extracting /mnt/src/X/Xetc.tgz ==
> kernel BUG at inode.c:376!
> invalid operand: 0000
> CPU:    0
> EIP:    0010:[<c018fe09>]
> EFLAGS: 00010282
> 
> Fun, huh? Time to apply patches...

I don't suppose you've actually tried figuring out where the kernel is
crashing?  I guess I can't remember the exact procedure, but it involves
looking at those values that come on the screen after a kernel crash. 
One time, I had to deal with this -- the function that I found after
everything had something to do with the virtual memory system. 
Replacing the RAM made the system more reliable.

Also, is your system overclocked or anything?  Perhaps there are some
strange hardware incompatibilities.  Maybe you can contact your
motherboard manufacturer and see if you're using some combination that
is known to be flaky.  It's also probably a good idea to upgrade the
BIOS(es) on your system.

-- 
 _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   The severity of the itch 
/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   is proportional to the  
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From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Wed Mar  7 12:44:54 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103071119070.10986-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
References: <200103071713.f27HDvl12332@sprite.real-time.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.05.10103071119070.10986-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <15014.33190.109897.140938@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

I've had pretty good luck installing Linux on a machine that already
had NT.

Because I'm lazy, I just bought a second hard drive for the linux
install and that minimized problems with the dual boot.  It's a minor
nuisance to set up the boot partition so the NT loader can get at
linux, but only a minor one.

One thing I don't know, since the NT I have is v 4, is whether the
newest NTFS (5), with Win2K, is readable by the ntfs filesystem
module....

R

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Wed Mar  7 14:53:34 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell service
In-Reply-To: <200103071707.f27H7Nx06199@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
References: <saa60caf.061@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010307125213.00a001b0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>

I've had to call Dell for both sales and tech support several times in the 
last three months, and have been thoroughly impressed. Are they perfect? 
No, but then noone is. Do they get the job done, quickly, and make sure I 
am satisfied? YES!!

Dave

At 11:06 AM 03/07/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> > I have also found _very_ shoddy service at Dell, which is strange since 
> we now buy _many_ Dell computers every year because they are our new 
> standard supplier. Bureaucracies are just so much fun. ;-)
> >
> > >>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/06/01 06:09PM >>>
> > Dell has lost our business too.
>
>Apparently their service must depend a lot upon who you talk to when
>you can. That is unfortunate. I have received very good service for
>the three things I had to call about over the last few years.
>
>Obviously I don't deal with them much, but I have been quite happy
>with the service I have received when have I had to.
>
>Just throwing out my $0.02!
>
>Mike
>
>_______________________________________________
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>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Dave Sherman
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webmaster@ssbs.com                                  altum viditur."
(763) 569-9839


From jurupari at geocities.com  Wed Mar  7 12:53:38 2001
From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
In-Reply-To: <200103071713.f27HDvl12332@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200103071854.f27Ismx14794@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

> version. But my question is how would I go about the installation order?

I would definitely install Windows first. I have done this a number 
of times, and I have always had Linux place LILO on the mbr of the 
first HDD. Just be sure to make a Linux boot floppy to have around 
after you install Linux. If you ever go back and upgrade your version 
of Windows from 95-98 or 2000 etc, that will overwrite LILO I think. 
Same thing if you sys the drive. If that happens you can use your 
boot disk to get into Linux and rerun LILO.

> Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around. My 
> primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if the root 
> partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy to 

I think the latest versions of LILO no longer have that restriction 
but I am not sure.

Mike


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 13:01:02 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling the 2.4.2
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6856E.AD91A083@tc.umn.edu>

Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> i tried to compile the 2.4.2 kernel at the installfest
> and i got compiler errors, i thought it was my machine
> that had problems so i tried to compile on a diferent
> machine and i got exactly the same error, i have
> attached the error message and i one of you would be
> kind enough to take a look at it i would very much
> appreciate it...
> 
>  -munir

Make sure you're using a valid version of gcc.  On RedHat 7.0, you may
want to use `kgcc' as your compiler or make sure that the RPMed version
of gcc is at least 2.96-69 ('rpm -q gcc')

-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   software halves every 18  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  months 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar  7 13:25:53 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
References: <200103071854.f27Ismx14794@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA68B41.EB96077D@ltiflex.com>

Windows will overwrite the MBR anytime you install/upgrade it. (Isn't that
nice of it?) So the real question is what boot loader do you want to use?
You can boot Linux from the NT boot loader (probally passes control to lilo.
Never done it myself.) or boot NT with lilo. 

I usually go with the two drive soultion, with linux on the primiary and
windows on the secondary. To boot Windows, lilo remaps the hard drives.
Pretty slick that way, I can install Windows and reinstall windows all I
like and not worry about creating a linux rescue disk. 

On one disk, manually partition. One big chunck for Windows as the primiary
partition, and smaller chunks in an extended partion for linux. (If you're
going to have a centeralized NFS/SAMBA server you may just want to have root
and usr partitions for linux. 500mb or so for /, 2gb or more for use. NFS
mount the home directories from the main server. 

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar  7 13:29:17 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
References: <200103071854.f27Ismx14794@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA68BE6.9351D6F3@eetc.com>

NO no no no no!
I have dual booted linux with win-crappy several times and you always install
windows first.  With 95/98/ME Lilo has to go into the MBR but with NT/2000 you
should use the win bootloader.  There are several howtos on this and I can dig
through my bookmarks to find them if you can't.
Using the NT/2000 bootloader will minimize the chances that it will really mess
something up.  And you can reload windows ( and we all know you will sooner or
later, probably sooner ) without disturbing your Linux partiontion or LILO.
So you install LILO on the first Linux partition and leave the MBR alone if
using NT or 2000.
If you ever go to ME/98/95 you can always rerun LILO to install into the MBR.
I have used this method several times and it worked great everytime.  Just
remember to always have a boot floppy ready to go. :-)

sim


Jurupari wrote:

> > version. But my question is how would I go about the installation order?
>
> I would definitely install Windows first. I have done this a number
> of times, and I have always had Linux place LILO on the mbr of the
> first HDD. Just be sure to make a Linux boot floppy to have around
> after you install Linux. If you ever go back and upgrade your version
> of Windows from 95-98 or 2000 etc, that will overwrite LILO I think.
> Same thing if you sys the drive. If that happens you can use your
> boot disk to get into Linux and rerun LILO.
>
> > Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around. My
> > primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if the root
> > partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy to
>
> I think the latest versions of LILO no longer have that restriction
> but I am not sure.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From Sales at thecyberimage.net  Wed Mar  7 12:32:07 2001
From: Sales at thecyberimage.net (The Cyber Image)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Specializing in web pages for Art Galleries
Message-ID: <000e01c0a734$ea474090$23c10142@fileserver>

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 13:42:45 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more installation fun
References: <200103071854.f27Ismx14794@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <3AA68B41.EB96077D@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3AA68F35.D75A29C9@tc.umn.edu>

Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> 
> Windows will overwrite the MBR anytime you install/upgrade it. (Isn't that
> nice of it?) So the real question is what boot loader do you want to use?
> You can boot Linux from the NT boot loader (probally passes control to lilo.
> Never done it myself.) or boot NT with lilo.

Of course, you don't have to put LILO on the MBR -- it works just fine
at the start of other partitions (though the start of the partiton,
where the first few hundred bytes of LILO resides, might have to be
below the 1024-cylinder boundary).  Just mark your Linux partiton as
`active' and the Windows MBR will load LILO (or does this not work with
Win NT/2k?)

-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   then why aren't more  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  people happy? 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Mar  7 13:51:30 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307123250.C11373@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 12:32:50PM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM> <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com> <20010307123250.C11373@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010307135130.B2961@vm-lvm>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 12:32:50PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
>
>FrontPage rules!
>
I don't think you're funny
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From atebbe at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 13:53:09 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307135130.B2961@vm-lvm>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 01:51:30PM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50701@mail2.ROG.COM> <20010307104257.C20140@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010307113902.C1434@real-time.com> <20010307123250.C11373@real-time.com> <20010307135130.B2961@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <20010307135309.J11373@real-time.com>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 01:51:30PM -0600, Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 12:32:50PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
> >
> >FrontPage rules!
> >
> I don't think you're funny

I don't think you're an idiot


-- 
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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Wed Mar  7 14:40:41 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: OS X (was Re: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks))
In-Reply-To: <3AA64DBB.CDC4B02F@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071436330.8960-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:

> Dream machine:  G4 Dual 733 w/ DVD-RAM drive running dual boot OSX and Linux.

With OS X, who needs linux too? OS X will run all your favorite GNU
tools, XFree is already ported (I think they even have it running
non-full-screen now), so you can run anything that linux can. :) Hell,
they might even port the linux compatibility stuff from *BSD - it would
probably be ridiculously easy.

Not that linux will stop being my primary OS on my other machines, but
the more I hear about OS X, the less desire I have to run PPC linux. :)

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From chrome at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 14:57:37 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: OS X (was Re: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks))
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071436330.8960-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 02:40:41PM -0600
References: <3AA64DBB.CDC4B02F@eetc.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071436330.8960-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010307145737.H21964@real-time.com>

> With OS X, who needs linux too? OS X will run all your favorite GNU
> tools, XFree is already ported (I think they even have it running
> non-full-screen now), so you can run anything that linux can. :) Hell,
> they might even port the linux compatibility stuff from *BSD - it would
> probably be ridiculously easy.

my thoughts on that, are that it's like Solaris... you can add all the GNU
tools, compile all the Linux programs, and make it a really cool
environment.

at which point you have to ask yourself 'why bother with the other OS in the
first place'?

what'll be very cool (and likely to come, I think); is OSX binary
compatibility with Linux. :) So when Photoshop is fully OSX-ized[1]; it'll be a
small step from there to running it on LinuxPPC or {Net|Open}BSD on PPC. :)

...and the thin end of the wedge widens. :)

[1] I think I've heard the term 'carbonized' to refer to the process of
making an application ready for OSX. This makes me think of what happened to
Han Solo in _The Empire Strikes Back_... only messier. Not a pretty picture.
:)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From mjn at umn.edu  Wed Mar  7 15:24:51 2001
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
In-Reply-To: <20010307135130.B2961@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103071524130.25085-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

As of Mar 7, 2001, Ben Lutgens can be held liable for saying:

> >FrontPage rules!
> >
> I don't think you're funny

That was absolutely hilarious...you obviously have no sense of comedy.

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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar  7 15:32:39 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of laptop questions
Message-ID: <3AA6A8F6.DA1FCF0E@mninter.net>

I have a couple of questions on my laptop.  I'm running Slack 7.1 and am
facing these two issues:

1)  My PCMCIA NIC card is recognized and the module is compiled into the
kernel.  the only way I can get the card to initialize is by doing an
"ifconfig eth0 up" and then to rerun /etc/inetd1 to get an IP address or
network connectivity at all.  I put both of these into the rc.local for
initialization on bootup.  It's a workaround, but I just feel like it's
not *quite* the right way to get it to work.  Where exactly does this
thing get initialized?  Also, on boot up now, the system takes a couple
of minutes to get to the point where it will continue to boot after it
realizes it's not on a network.  Would I be better to take out the two
lines from rc.local and make a script to run them manually for when I'm
on the network?  I'm on the network about 1/2 the time I boot, so would
it be "right" to do this, or is it like going back to my ealier question
of if there's a better way to do it.

2)  I'm running Gnome, with the svga x-server.  Looking in the manual,
my laptop can handle 1024x768 in 256, 65k, and 16.7M colors.  It looks
like I'm running in 256 color, and I'd like to take it up to 16.7M.
There's no refresh rate listed in the manual for my laptop's monitor
(it's an XGA), and it has 2.5MB of video memory.  Can someone give me an
idea of which lines I need to modify to get it to the higher
resolutions?


Thanks.


Shawn




From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com  Wed Mar  7 15:36:25 2001
From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of laptop questions
References: <3AA6A8F6.DA1FCF0E@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3AA6A9D9.8918CA18@securecomputing.com>

Shawn,
I usually log in as root and type "setup". Then use the Xconfigurator. You
can try to reconfigure your X settings.
I hope that helps. I've been in a battle with my laptop X settings myself.
:)

--
Jamie Seeman
Secure Computing - Test Engineer
651.628.5420

Shawn wrote:

> I have a couple of questions on my laptop.  I'm running Slack 7.1 and am
> facing these two issues:
>
> 1)  My PCMCIA NIC card is recognized and the module is compiled into the
> kernel.  the only way I can get the card to initialize is by doing an
> "ifconfig eth0 up" and then to rerun /etc/inetd1 to get an IP address or
> network connectivity at all.  I put both of these into the rc.local for
> initialization on bootup.  It's a workaround, but I just feel like it's
> not *quite* the right way to get it to work.  Where exactly does this
> thing get initialized?  Also, on boot up now, the system takes a couple
> of minutes to get to the point where it will continue to boot after it
> realizes it's not on a network.  Would I be better to take out the two
> lines from rc.local and make a script to run them manually for when I'm
> on the network?  I'm on the network about 1/2 the time I boot, so would
> it be "right" to do this, or is it like going back to my ealier question
> of if there's a better way to do it.
>
> 2)  I'm running Gnome, with the svga x-server.  Looking in the manual,
> my laptop can handle 1024x768 in 256, 65k, and 16.7M colors.  It looks
> like I'm running in 256 color, and I'd like to take it up to 16.7M.
> There's no refresh rate listed in the manual for my laptop's monitor
> (it's an XGA), and it has 2.5MB of video memory.  Can someone give me an
> idea of which lines I need to modify to get it to the higher
> resolutions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Shawn
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar  7 15:42:09 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OS X --  Linux and other OS's
References: <3AA64DBB.CDC4B02F@eetc.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071436330.8960-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <20010307145737.H21964@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6AB31.D9F3E28A@mninter.net>

I recall reading somewhere that  IBM with one of it's AIX releases coming up will
be integrating Linux into AIX.  I want to say 5.3 AIX??  The goal is to be able to
run Linux apps on AIX/RS600's.

Shawn


Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:

> my thoughts on that, are that it's like Solaris... you can add all the GNU
> tools, compile all the Linux programs, and make it a really cool
> environment.
>
> at which point you have to ask yourself 'why bother with the other OS in the
> first place'?
>
> what'll be very cool (and likely to come, I think); is OSX binary
> compatibility with Linux. :) So when Photoshop is fully OSX-ized[1]; it'll be a
> small step from there to running it on LinuxPPC or {Net|Open}BSD on PPC. :)
>
> ...and the thin end of the wedge widens. :)
>
> [1] I think I've heard the term 'carbonized' to refer to the process of
> making an application ready for OSX. This makes me think of what happened to
> Han Solo in _The Empire Strikes Back_... only messier. Not a pretty picture.
> :)
>
> Carl Soderstrom
> --
> Network Engineer
> Real-Time Enterprises
> (952) 943-8700
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar  7 15:42:44 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: OS X (was Re: [TCLUG] Sad day for me (aka VA sucks))
References: <3AA64DBB.CDC4B02F@eetc.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071436330.8960-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <20010307145737.H21964@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6AB54.C9A946E6@ltiflex.com>

>my thoughts on that, are that it's like Solaris... you can add all the GNU
>tools, compile all the Linux programs, and make it a really cool
>environment.

>at which point you have to ask yourself 'why bother with the other OS in the
>first place'?

>what'll be very cool (and likely to come, I think); is OSX binary
>compatibility with Linux. :) So when Photoshop is fully OSX-ized[1]; it'll be a
>small step from there to running it on LinuxPPC or {Net|Open}BSD on PPC. :)

There will still be a gap between ready for OSX and ready for UNIX in
general. However, the step from Darwin to any other UNIX is mostly a
recompile issue. Any other UNIX to Darwin is a recompile issue. OSX may have
a BSD core (Darwin), but the layers on top of Darwin that eventually give
you Aqua aren't exactly portable, or open. (Not being a Mac person (yet) and
nor really following OSX, I don't have a grasp on Cocoa, Carbon, etc.)  

So why build GNU stuff on Darwin? (Darwin != OSX, OSX == Darwin + Carbon +
Cocoa + Aqua + lots of other stuff.) Because you can get all OSX has to
offer (All OSX apps + classic Mac apps), with GNU software as a side bonus. 

Since Kevin didn't provide the links, the rootless Xfree on OSX info is
here: 
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=72936&forum_id=57136
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/20/2015239.shtml
http://www.mit.edu/~rueckert/XFreeAqua.jpg
http://www.mit.edu/~rueckert/XFreeAqua2.jpg

Still not ready for prime time though.

Tenon Intersystems is developing a nice looking set of Xtools for OSX:
http://www.tenon.com/products/xtools/
Xtools also includes the necessary libraries to support porting X
client             applications to Mac OS X.

I'm just glancing at Tenon's site right now, but it looks like they've
successfuly build gtk+, gnomelib, etc. for yse with their tools, and it
looks a heck of alot better the the XonX project (at least for now.)

If I get a Mac w/ OSX I would definitly consider getting Tenon's Xtools as
well. 

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar  7 15:46:08 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of laptop questions
References: <3AA6A8F6.DA1FCF0E@mninter.net> <3AA6A9D9.8918CA18@securecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6AC20.3695C5D0@ltiflex.com>

XF86Setup (X based) and xf86config (console) do a reasonable job of
configuring XFree 3.3.X on laptops (and computers in general.) I perfer
XF86Setup myself. But now I'm in Xfree 4.0.2 land, and Debian's config + my
hand tweaking got the job done.

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From jsowers at osii.com  Wed Mar  7 15:54:40 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103071524130.25085-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEDMCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I have Version 8.11.0-8 of sendmail running on a RH 7.0 box through a
dial-up connection.  This is supporting about 100 users that are using it
consistently with LookOut as the Client.  I used to run this same
configuration on a 6.2 box, don't remember what the Sendmail version was.

I have a problem when messages are sent, the users are getting the message
No transport provider available.  This is not a consistent but rather a once
in a while occurrence.  Does anyone have any ideas why this might be
occurring? Some of the messages actually do get sent into the mail queue as
if they are going to be sent, but Look Out still gets the message.  Is there
a timeout in Sendmail that is causing this response?  I only believe that it
has to be Sendmail because the old box never gave me the problem.

Any suggestions?

____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mjn
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:25 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url


As of Mar 7, 2001, Ben Lutgens can be held liable for saying:

> >FrontPage rules!
> >
> I don't think you're funny

That was absolutely hilarious...you obviously have no sense of comedy.

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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Wed Mar  7 16:10:03 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:58 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <3AA61440.13810.50F49A5@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AA6B1BB.F6F82647@black-hole.com>

Actually I have the only Linux machine in the mix, mostly NT 95 and some 2000,
the Netware is a headache and 1 just 1 BeOS machine for some lunatic who thinks
it's "Eloquent"  but all he does with it is lump the web and send e-mails.

Benjamin Exley wrote:

> b. toberman said:
>
> > the OT on a virus alert, yes it would be appropriate, but then we already
> > know if it's a virus alert it's about win, and yes I run Linux but I also
> > have to take care of win 98, and win 2000 and win NT and FreeBSD and
> > Netware 5.1, and BEOs.
>
> Wow someone else lives in my world of pain? Actually we're still on
> Netware 4.11 here...heh. Actually, we technically have no linux
> servers at the moment (BSD ones though), but we should be
> getting one soon.
>
> I certainly hope that Win 2k sucks less with Netware 5 that 4, but
> I'm not too optimistic...
>
> Ben
>
> p.s. Yes, it's OT- Sorry, but I did put OT up there ;)
> -----
> Benjamin Exley
> Information Systems Manager
> The Minnesota Daily
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> (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190
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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Wed Mar  7 16:14:24 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Specializing in web pages for Art Galleries
References: <000e01c0a734$ea474090$23c10142@fileserver>
Message-ID: <3AA6B2C0.C1702204@black-hole.com>

Uh Huh.       is this spam or just someone being foolish ?

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>
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>                     <TR>
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From atebbe at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 16:15:13 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Issues
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEDMCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 03:54:40PM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103071524130.25085-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEDMCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010307161513.L11373@real-time.com>

I don't have any suggestions but I will say that LookOut seems to
use the 'No transport provider available' error message for a variety
of problems it experiences.  Although the source of the problem rarely
has anything to do with the error message.

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 03:54:40PM -0600, Jason Sowers (jsowers@osii.com) wrote:
> I have Version 8.11.0-8 of sendmail running on a RH 7.0 box through a
> dial-up connection.  This is supporting about 100 users that are using it
> consistently with LookOut as the Client.  I used to run this same
> configuration on a 6.2 box, don't remember what the Sendmail version was.
> 
> I have a problem when messages are sent, the users are getting the message
> No transport provider available.  This is not a consistent but rather a once
> in a while occurrence.  Does anyone have any ideas why this might be
> occurring? Some of the messages actually do get sent into the mail queue as
> if they are going to be sent, but Look Out still gets the message.  Is there
> a timeout in Sendmail that is causing this response?  I only believe that it
> has to be Sendmail because the old box never gave me the problem.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
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> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mjn
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Reason Computer url
> 
> 
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> 
> > >FrontPage rules!
> > >
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> 
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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar  7 16:45:56 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Laptop - suggest a dist...
Message-ID: <3AA6BA20.A296EEA6@eetc.com>

I have a laptop that I would like to load linux on.  I have a T1 at work
and can basically download any distro I want.  I am wondering wich
distro would work best ( =fastest with the least Pain In the Assery ) on
my laptop.
These are the specs ( it is an old POS but it runs great ):

    Model: IBM 755 CE
    486 DX4 100Mhz
    16 MB ram ( I had 24 but the chip got fried )
    640 x 480 screen
    At least 256 colors but I think it might be capable of millions.
    1 840 MB hard drive.

I can get access to a dock station w/ CDROM and network card but I
haven't found a distro that supports the scsi card at installation.  I
tried Debian Potato and loaded it with ftp but found it to be an extreme
pain in the ass to work with.  I tried Redhat 7 and will try Redhat 6.2
but 7 was also a pain in the ass.
I am not opposed to doing the hard work of installing and configuring
but would like to find a "small" distro that works resonably well.
I would like to have at least the new kernel ( 2.4.2 ) and some form of
Xwindows that will run well.
I have looked at all the laptop howtos and none of them seem to be up to
date.  I don't want to load freakin' Redhat 5.2 on my laptop.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and/or links to
documentation that I haven't found.

sim


From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 16:49:16 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail Issues
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEDMCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103071646220.19579-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Jason Sowers wrote:
> I have Version 8.11.0-8 of sendmail running on a RH 7.0 box through a
> dial-up connection.  This is supporting about 100 users that are using it
> consistently with LookOut as the Client.  I used to run this same
> configuration on a 6.2 box, don't remember what the Sendmail version was.
>
> I have a problem when messages are sent, the users are getting the message
> No transport provider available.  This is not a consistent but rather a once
> in a while occurrence.  Does anyone have any ideas why this might be
> occurring? Some of the messages actually do get sent into the mail queue as
> if they are going to be sent, but Look Out still gets the message.  Is there
> a timeout in Sendmail that is causing this response?  I only believe that it
> has to be Sendmail because the old box never gave me the problem.
>
> Any suggestions?

URLs at Microsoft:

OL97: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q176/7/31.asp
OL98: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q180/4/84.ASP

Most likely one I can see is what they call the "* Anti-Spam software on
the SMTP server of your current Internet Service Provider (ISP) which
blocks messages from a different ISP address.", which, to mean, means that
the mail server rejects the message for whatever reason.

Can you get log files of when this is happening?

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From jack at jacku.com  Wed Mar  7 17:49:34 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RDF sources?
In-Reply-To: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com>
References: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <01030717493400.01216@geezer>

On Tuesday 06 March 2001 23:43, you wrote:
> I am playing around with Evolutions Executive Summary and I want to know if
> there are any other RDF sources out there.
>
> I got Slashdot. Is there one for freshmeat? Linux Today?

The following is extracted from the create_table sql file for phpGroupware's 
headlines app. Use at your own risk.

Slashdot                  http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf
Freshmeat                http://freshmeat.net/backend/fm.rdf
Linux&nbsp;Today     http://linuxtoday.com/backend/linuxtoday.xml
Linux Game Tome      http://happypenguin.org/html/news.rdf
Segfault                    http://segfault.org/stories.xml
KDE News                http://www.kde.org/news/kdenews.rdf
Gnome News             http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/rdf
Gimp News               http://www.xach.com/gimp/news/channel.rdf
Mozilla                     http://www.mozilla.org/news.rdf
MozillaZine               http://www.mozillazine.org/contents.rdf

Have fun!
Jack

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Mar  7 17:52:09 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Grr! Reiserfs...
In-Reply-To: <3AA67F95.E0A2981F@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103071744370.8001-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> I don't suppose you've actually tried figuring out where the kernel is
> crashing?

Well, since it was actually saying "kernel BUG at inode.c:376" I'm gonna
guess it's something to do with inode.c. This is on a reiserfs partition,
so I'm guessing fs/reiserfs/inode.c. Lets look at line 376:

376: }

Hm. It's part of the block read function.


> One time, I had to deal with this -- the function that I found after
> everything had something to do with the virtual memory system.
> Replacing the RAM made the system more reliable.

Nah, my RAM's fine. This only happens when I read a lot from reiserfs.

> Also, is your system overclocked or anything?

Nope.

> Perhaps there are some strange hardware incompatibilities.

Nope, it's all supported.

I'm thinking I have some buggy version of reiser. I'd LOVE to have
compiled reiserfstools with a non-beta GCC, but alas, I haven't tried.

> is known to be flaky.  It's also probably a good idea to upgrade the
> BIOS(es) on your system.

That'll help reiserfs?


-Yaron

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From foeclan at winternet.com  Wed Mar  7 18:06:28 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of laptop questions
In-Reply-To: <3AA6A8F6.DA1FCF0E@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103071801260.12504-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

> I have a couple of questions on my laptop.  I'm running Slack 7.1 and am
> facing these two issues:
> 
> 1)  My PCMCIA NIC card is recognized and the module is compiled into the
> kernel.  the only way I can get the card to initialize is by doing an
> "ifconfig eth0 up" and then to rerun /etc/inetd1 to get an IP address or
> network connectivity at all.  I put both of these into the rc.local for

> 2)  I'm running Gnome, with the svga x-server.  Looking in the manual,
> my laptop can handle 1024x768 in 256, 65k, and 16.7M colors.  It looks
> like I'm running in 256 color, and I'd like to take it up to 16.7M.
> There's no refresh rate listed in the manual for my laptop's monitor
> (it's an XGA), and it has 2.5MB of video memory.  Can someone give me an
> idea of which lines I need to modify to get it to the higher
> resolutions?

> Thanks.
> 
> Shawn

1)  The NIC gets initialized by card services when it's plugged in.  You
should get a message on the console when you do so.  I generally haven't
had issues if my NIC is hooked up when I boot; if I plug it in later, I
just run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 manually.

2)  Try adding the line 'DefaultColorDepth 16' (in 3.3.x) or 'DefaultDepth
16' (in 4.x) to the section of the /etc/XF86Config (/etc/X11/XF86Config in
4.x) file that shows your server settings (under the one mentioning SVGA,
add one of those lines before the 'Display' subsections begin).


Hope that helps,

--
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Foeclan@Winternet.Com



From wyatt at coolsend.com  Wed Mar  7 18:35:15 2001
From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
Message-ID: <20010308003515.0018C36EE@sitemail.everyone.net>

Hi all,

Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever of 100.6.

So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my linux router.  

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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Wed Mar  7 18:49:04 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
In-Reply-To: <20010308003515.0018C36EE@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103071841570.14999-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

Is the cable modem plugged into a: hub, switch, directly into the PC with
crossover?

If the connection doesn't involve a switch of some type, I don't know that
it's possible to get full duplex.  I've seen hubs and crossovers do ONLY
1/2 duplex and I don't think it's possible to do "full-duplex" with a 10Mb
connection, which is what most cable modems seem to have on the ethernet
port.  

What are you considering "a high rate" of collisions, 5%, 10% more?  Some
collisions will always occur, even with a switch.  

If you have a 10/100 switch, the collisions will occur simply because the
computer will try to shove 100 pounds of fries into a 10 pound bag.

I really don't have a way of knowing about how the NIC is running in
full-duplex or not.  With the NetGear 310-TX we use, the driver suggests
which "mode" it's in, 3Com gives some useful data, but no hard and fast
rules.

Does this help?

MK


On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Chuck Larson wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever of 100.6.
> 
> So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my linux router.  
> 
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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar  7 19:06:32 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Laptop - suggest a dist...
References: <3AA6BA20.A296EEA6@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6DB18.AC82AA7A@mninter.net>

There's a How-to for putting Linux on a small hard drive system on
linuxdocs.org, I'd recommend looking into that.  He's using Slack 3.0 I
believe.  I based a Slack 7.1 install on a 400MB desktop machine off of
that, and it works fine.  I'm running the 2.2.16 kernel still, but plan to
update the kernel to 2.4.2 shortly.  Given your system, I'd recommend given
Slack a thought.  With full install, it runs close to 900MB (I'm at 1.27 GB
including StarOffice 5.2, Adabas DB, and a couple of other things).  On the
desktop I got it down to around 250MB without X.  This is all based off the
iso I got from  www.linuxiso.org


Shawn



Simeon Johnston wrote:

> I have a laptop that I would like to load linux on.  I have a T1 at work
> and can basically download any distro I want.  I am wondering wich
> distro would work best ( =fastest with the least Pain In the Assery ) on
> my laptop.
> These are the specs ( it is an old POS but it runs great ):
>
>     Model: IBM 755 CE
>     486 DX4 100Mhz
>     16 MB ram ( I had 24 but the chip got fried )
>     640 x 480 screen
>     At least 256 colors but I think it might be capable of millions.
>     1 840 MB hard drive.


From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar  7 19:18:58 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

What kind of ethernet card do you have?

There are some programs floating around that will give you the status of
your card, do a search on google for "donald becker ethernet" and you should
hopefully end up at Donald's web page full o' ethernet luvin'.  

You can force the card into specific speed/duplex settings by passing the
module options at boot.

I have 2 NIC's in my box, and here are the relavant lines from my
modules.conf file:

alias eth0 3c59x
alias eth1 eepro100
options 3c59x options=12
options eepro100 options=0x30

These options force each card to 100/full.  I don't know the settings for
other speed/duplex settings, I found them on a website somewhere, it's
different for every brand of card.

I wish linux was like BSD where you could just use the "ifconfig" command to
change speed/duplex settings, but you can't.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark K [mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:49 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
> 
> 
> 
> Is the cable modem plugged into a: hub, switch, directly into 
> the PC with
> crossover?
> 
> If the connection doesn't involve a switch of some type, I 
> don't know that
> it's possible to get full duplex.  I've seen hubs and 
> crossovers do ONLY
> 1/2 duplex and I don't think it's possible to do 
> "full-duplex" with a 10Mb
> connection, which is what most cable modems seem to have on 
> the ethernet
> port.  
> 
> What are you considering "a high rate" of collisions, 5%, 10% 
> more?  Some
> collisions will always occur, even with a switch.  
> 
> If you have a 10/100 switch, the collisions will occur simply 
> because the
> computer will try to shove 100 pounds of fries into a 10 pound bag.
> 
> I really don't have a way of knowing about how the NIC is running in
> full-duplex or not.  With the NetGear 310-TX we use, the 
> driver suggests
> which "mode" it's in, 3Com gives some useful data, but no 
> hard and fast
> rules.
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> MK
> 
> 
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Chuck Larson wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever of 100.6.
> > 
> > So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am 
> getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the 
> specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there 
> anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my 
> linux router.  
> > 
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From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Wed Mar  7 19:29:45 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010307192409.027d5200@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is connected to the 
Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine yesterday when I 
retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get out and when 
I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping from linux to 
the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping lines time = 501 
to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for I am used to 
seeing an 'm' there.

Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be or where to begin.  The only 
change I made was Monday night I finished installing KDE 2.1

John Miller


From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar  7 19:46:57 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of laptop questions
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103071801260.12504-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6E491.D39FD8E0@mninter.net>

Michael Vieths wrote:

> 1)  The NIC gets initialized by card services when it's plugged in.  You
> should get a message on the console when you do so.  I generally haven't
> had issues if my NIC is hooked up when I boot; if I plug it in later, I
> just run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 manually.

Okay, digging through dmesg and looking at bootup screens a couple of things
jump out at me.  Whether they're right or wrong, I'm not certain.  Here's a
small section of the boot process:

tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq=3) is a 16550A
cardmgr [51]: executing: './serial start ttyS0'
attempting to configure eth0 by contacting DHCP server
cardmgr [51]: initializing socket 1
cardmgr[51]: socket 1: megahertz cc10bt/2 ethernet
dhcpcd[81]: dhcpstart: ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: no such device
activiating IPv4 packet forwarding...
starting /sbin/rpc.portmap...
cardmgr[51]: executing 'modprobe smc91c95_cs'
cardmgr[51]: './network start eth0'

My thought is that it's trying to initialize the card, but something isn't
allowing it to.  This happens whether it's plugged into a network (10 or 100)
and when it's standalone.  I commented out the two lines I added into the
rc.local, and it no longer takes a couple of minutes to determine whether
it's going to get an IP or not.

I'm probably just going to leave it this way, and make up a script to run for
when I'm on the network.  For now, probably the easiest.

>
>
> 2)  Try adding the line 'DefaultColorDepth 16' (in 3.3.x) or 'DefaultDepth
> 16' (in 4.x) to the section of the /etc/XF86Config (/etc/X11/XF86Config in
> 4.x) file that shows your server settings (under the one mentioning SVGA,
> add one of those lines before the 'Display' subsections begin).
>
> Hope that helps,

Great!  Just what I was forgetting.  I knew there was something I had to add
in, but couldn't remember what it was that a couple of people helped me out
with on Saturday.  Gotta make note of this in my setup/notes file.

Thanks for the help!


Shawn


From wyatt at coolsend.com  Wed Mar  7 19:42:33 2001
From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
Message-ID: <20010308014233.549963ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>

0.1% is good then?

I calculated it by adding ( # of RX + TX packets )/( # of collisions ) * 100.

First time I tried to calculate the 

--- Mark K <mkroska@readynetgo.com>
> wrote:
>
>Is the cable modem plugged into a: hub, switch, directly into the PC with
>crossover?
>
>If the connection doesn't involve a switch of some type, I don't know that
>it's possible to get full duplex.  I've seen hubs and crossovers do ONLY
>1/2 duplex and I don't think it's possible to do "full-duplex" with a 10Mb
>connection, which is what most cable modems seem to have on the ethernet
>port.  
>
>What are you considering "a high rate" of collisions, 5%, 10% more?  Some
>collisions will always occur, even with a switch.  
>
>If you have a 10/100 switch, the collisions will occur simply because the
>computer will try to shove 100 pounds of fries into a 10 pound bag.
>
>I really don't have a way of knowing about how the NIC is running in
>full-duplex or not.  With the NetGear 310-TX we use, the driver suggests
>which "mode" it's in, 3Com gives some useful data, but no hard and fast
>rules.
>
>Does this help?
>
>MK
>
>
>On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Chuck Larson wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever of 100.6.
>> 
>> So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my linux router.  
>> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar  7 20:04:44 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

You shouldn't see any collisions at all on your network interface, I just
checked 7 or 8 different boxes of mine, some have been up for 6 months or
more serving Real Video content out at around 5-10 Mb/sec during the day,
and I don't show any collisions at all on them.

Chances are that your duplex is mismatched.  Maybe a cheap NIC could do it
too..  probably doesn't hurt anything if you only have .1% though.

Jay  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:43 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
> 
> 
> 0.1% is good then?
> 
> I calculated it by adding ( # of RX + TX packets )/( # of 
> collisions ) * 100.
> 
> First time I tried to calculate the 
> 
> --- Mark K <mkroska@readynetgo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >Is the cable modem plugged into a: hub, switch, directly 
> into the PC with
> >crossover?
> >
> >If the connection doesn't involve a switch of some type, I 
> don't know that
> >it's possible to get full duplex.  I've seen hubs and 
> crossovers do ONLY
> >1/2 duplex and I don't think it's possible to do 
> "full-duplex" with a 10Mb
> >connection, which is what most cable modems seem to have on 
> the ethernet
> >port.  
> >
> >What are you considering "a high rate" of collisions, 5%, 
> 10% more?  Some
> >collisions will always occur, even with a switch.  
> >
> >If you have a 10/100 switch, the collisions will occur 
> simply because the
> >computer will try to shove 100 pounds of fries into a 10 pound bag.
> >
> >I really don't have a way of knowing about how the NIC is running in
> >full-duplex or not.  With the NetGear 310-TX we use, the 
> driver suggests
> >which "mode" it's in, 3Com gives some useful data, but no 
> hard and fast
> >rules.
> >
> >Does this help?
> >
> >MK
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Chuck Larson wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever 
> of 100.6.
> >> 
> >> So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am 
> getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the 
> specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there 
> anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my 
> linux router.  
> >> 
> >> _____________________________________________________________
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> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >________________________________________________________
> >ReadyNET Go!, Inc.  -  Building your Business on the net
> >________________________________________________________
> > 
> >Mark J. Kroska
> >MIS Director
> >
> >320.656.0765 Voice
> >888.447.3239 Toll Free
> >320.203.7052 Fax
> >http://www.readynetgo.com
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> >
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar  7 20:06:46 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Send the output of "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -s" to the list.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Miller [mailto:johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:30 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
> 
> 
> I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is 
> connected to the 
> Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine 
> yesterday when I 
> retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get 
> out and when 
> I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping 
> from linux to 
> the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping 
> lines time = 501 
> to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for I am used to 
> seeing an 'm' there.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be or where to 
> begin.  The only 
> change I made was Monday night I finished installing KDE 2.1
> 
> John Miller
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Wed Mar  7 20:27:00 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B9@mspexch1.office.mkt
 w.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010307201037.00ae22a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

eth0    Link encap:ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:62:5B:7D
         inet addr:24.163.168.40 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0
         UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
         RX packets:214 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:116 errors:197 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:394
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
         Interrupt:9 Base address :0x8c00

eth1    Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:BA:42:FE:30
         inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcasst:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
         UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
         RX packets:1827 errirsL0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:1803 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
         Interrupt:10 Base address:0x9000

lo      Link encap..........(it is all there)

lp:
         2151 total packets received
         370 forwarded
         0 incoming packets discarded
         297 incoming packets delivered
         1744 requests sent out
Icmp:
         284 ICMP messages received
         126 input ICMP message failed.
         ICMP input histogram:
                 destination unreachable:126
                 echo requests:36
                 echo replies:122
         1414 ICMP messages sent
         0 ICMP messages failed
         ICMP output historram:
                 destination unreachable: 126
                 time exceeded: 1248
                 redurectL4
                 echo replies: 36
Tcp:
         0 active connections openings
         0 passiive connection openings
         0 failed connectoion attempts
         0 connections resets received
         0 connections established
         48 segments received
         49 segments send out
         2 segments retransmitted
         0 bad segments received.
         2 restes sent
Udp:
         1129 packets received
         0 packets to unkown port recieved.
         0 packet receive errors
         72 packets sent
TcpExt:


Furthermore:
rc.local contains the following added code

# remove any existing forwarding rules to be safe
/sbin/ipchains -F forward

#set the default forwarding policy to DENY
/sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY

#turn on IP masquerding for outgoing packets
/sbin/ipchains -A forward --j MASQ -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0
echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

#load some proxy modules into the kernel
MODULES = 'ftp irc raudio'
for SERVICE in $MODULES; do
         /sbin/insmod ip_masq$SERVICE
done
/dev /server



At 08:06 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Send the output of "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -s" to the list.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Miller [mailto:johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:30 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
> >
> >
> > I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is
> > connected to the
> > Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine
> > yesterday when I
> > retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get
> > out and when
> > I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping
> > from linux to
> > the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping
> > lines time = 501
> > to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for I am used to
> > seeing an 'm' there.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be or where to
> > begin.  The only
> > change I made was Monday night I finished installing KDE 2.1
> >
> > John Miller
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From sgrobe at mn.rr.com  Wed Mar  7 21:01:52 2001
From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <3AA61440.13810.50F49A5@localhost> <3AA6B1BB.F6F82647@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <00037ef6211ccfba_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>

That's a high percentage of BeOS users.  Ex-Mac user forced onto an x86
box?

>Actually I have the only Linux machine in the mix, mostly NT 95 and some 
>2000,
>the Netware is a headache and 1 just 1 BeOS machine for some lunatic who 
>thinks
>it's "Eloquent"  but all he does with it is lump the web and send e-mails.
>
>Benjamin Exley wrote:
>
>> b. toberman said:
>>
>> > the OT on a virus alert, yes it would be appropriate, but then we 
already
>> > know if it's a virus alert it's about win, and yes I run Linux but I 
also
>> > have to take care of win 98, and win 2000 and win NT and FreeBSD and
>> > Netware 5.1, and BEOs.
>>
>> Wow someone else lives in my world of pain? Actually we're still on
>> Netware 4.11 here...heh. Actually, we technically have no linux
>> servers at the moment (BSD ones though), but we should be
>> getting one soon.
>>
>> I certainly hope that Win 2k sucks less with Netware 5 that 4, but
>> I'm not too optimistic...
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> p.s. Yes, it's OT- Sorry, but I did put OT up there ;)
>> -----
>> Benjamin Exley
>> Information Systems Manager
>> The Minnesota Daily
>> bexley@mndaily.com
>> (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar  7 21:02:16 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

You don't have any errors on the internal interface, but the external one
has a bunch of transmit errors.  But you said you were getting packet loss
from your windows boxes to the 192.168.0.1 address? hrm...

What kind of network cards do you have?  

Maybe your hub/switch bit the dust...  Do you have another one you can swap
in to see?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Miller [mailto:johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:27 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] slow network connection
> 
> 
> eth0    Link encap:ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:62:5B:7D
>          inet addr:24.163.168.40 Bcast:255.255.255.255 
> Mask:255.255.252.0
>          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
>          RX packets:214 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>          TX packets:116 errors:197 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:394
>          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
>          Interrupt:9 Base address :0x8c00
> 
> eth1    Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:BA:42:FE:30
>          inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcasst:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
>          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
>          RX packets:1827 errirsL0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>          TX packets:1803 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
>          Interrupt:10 Base address:0x9000
> 
> lo      Link encap..........(it is all there)
> 
> lp:
>          2151 total packets received
>          370 forwarded
>          0 incoming packets discarded
>          297 incoming packets delivered
>          1744 requests sent out
> Icmp:
>          284 ICMP messages received
>          126 input ICMP message failed.
>          ICMP input histogram:
>                  destination unreachable:126
>                  echo requests:36
>                  echo replies:122
>          1414 ICMP messages sent
>          0 ICMP messages failed
>          ICMP output historram:
>                  destination unreachable: 126
>                  time exceeded: 1248
>                  redurectL4
>                  echo replies: 36
> Tcp:
>          0 active connections openings
>          0 passiive connection openings
>          0 failed connectoion attempts
>          0 connections resets received
>          0 connections established
>          48 segments received
>          49 segments send out
>          2 segments retransmitted
>          0 bad segments received.
>          2 restes sent
> Udp:
>          1129 packets received
>          0 packets to unkown port recieved.
>          0 packet receive errors
>          72 packets sent
> TcpExt:
> 
> 
> Furthermore:
> rc.local contains the following added code
> 
> # remove any existing forwarding rules to be safe
> /sbin/ipchains -F forward
> 
> #set the default forwarding policy to DENY
> /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY
> 
> #turn on IP masquerding for outgoing packets
> /sbin/ipchains -A forward --j MASQ -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> 
> #load some proxy modules into the kernel
> MODULES = 'ftp irc raudio'
> for SERVICE in $MODULES; do
>          /sbin/insmod ip_masq$SERVICE
> done
> /dev /server
> 
> 
> 
> At 08:06 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Send the output of "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -s" to the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Miller [mailto:johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:30 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
> > >
> > >
> > > I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is
> > > connected to the
> > > Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine
> > > yesterday when I
> > > retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get
> > > out and when
> > > I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping
> > > from linux to
> > > the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping
> > > lines time = 501
> > > to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for 
> I am used to
> > > seeing an 'm' there.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be or where to
> > > begin.  The only
> > > change I made was Monday night I finished installing KDE 2.1
> > >
> > > John Miller
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Wed Mar  7 21:35:16 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <3AA61440.13810.50F49A5@localhost> <3AA6B1BB.F6F82647@black-hole.com> <00037ef6211ccfba_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6FDF3.964C8FF8@black-hole.com>

No just a crusty ols bast**d who like to taunt IT because he has the pull to
make us dance to his song.
Steve Grobe wrote:

> That's a high percentage of BeOS users.  Ex-Mac user forced onto an x86
> box?
>
> >Actually I have the only Linux machine in the mix, mostly NT 95 and some
> >2000,
> >the Netware is a headache and 1 just 1 BeOS machine for some lunatic who
> >thinks
> >it's "Eloquent"  but all he does with it is lump the web and send e-mails.
> >
> >Benjamin Exley wrote:
> >
> >> b. toberman said:
> >>
> >> > the OT on a virus alert, yes it would be appropriate, but then we
> already
> >> > know if it's a virus alert it's about win, and yes I run Linux but I
> also
> >> > have to take care of win 98, and win 2000 and win NT and FreeBSD and
> >> > Netware 5.1, and BEOs.
> >>
> >> Wow someone else lives in my world of pain? Actually we're still on
> >> Netware 4.11 here...heh. Actually, we technically have no linux
> >> servers at the moment (BSD ones though), but we should be
> >> getting one soon.
> >>
> >> I certainly hope that Win 2k sucks less with Netware 5 that 4, but
> >> I'm not too optimistic...
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >> p.s. Yes, it's OT- Sorry, but I did put OT up there ;)
> >> -----
> >> Benjamin Exley
> >> Information Systems Manager
> >> The Minnesota Daily
> >> bexley@mndaily.com
> >> (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190
> >> _______________________________________________
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From sraun at fireopal.org  Wed Mar  7 21:40:04 2001
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RDF sources?
In-Reply-To: <01030717493400.01216@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0600
References: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com> <01030717493400.01216@geezer>
Message-ID: <20010307214004.B11927@iaxs.net>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0600, Jack Ungerleider wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 March 2001 23:43, you wrote:
> > I am playing around with Evolutions Executive Summary and I want to know if
> > there are any other RDF sources out there.
> >
> > I got Slashdot. Is there one for freshmeat? Linux Today?

OK, I give up. Could someone give me a pointer to what you're talking
about here?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun@fireopal.org

From ml at drase.com  Thu Mar  8 00:33:15 2001
From: ml at drase.com (Andres Nelson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix ships
References: <200103071833.SAA92043@ann.skypoint.net> <017101c0a734$3e7f9320$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <3AA727AB.884178F9@drase.com>

> The biggest problem that I see is that it is binary distributed only.  Not
> so bad except for the constantly changing nature of glibc on linux systems.
> You will be forced to run an old version to use it or perhaps load compat
> libraries which have a history of not working well.

I asked this of those at Borland and here is the response I got:

There should not be catastrophic upheavals in the Linux platform that
would require continual revisions to the Kylix product. Distributions
that rearrange their files or build incompatible libraries will have
just as mush trouble with other Linux applications as with Kylix. With
any lick, Kylix or Kylix-built applications will become part of the
distribution validation test suites."

> And lastly, the biggest problem I see is that it has ONLY been released in
> RPM format - or so I have been led to believe by the "requirements" page.

You don't like RPM?

From ml at drase.com  Thu Mar  8 00:43:57 2001
From: ml at drase.com (Andres Nelson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix ships
References: <200103071833.SAA92043@ann.skypoint.net> <017101c0a734$3e7f9320$3028680a@tgt.com> <3AA727AB.884178F9@drase.com>
Message-ID: <3AA72A2D.45BCB066@drase.com>

> with any lick
with any luck

Also, Kylix and Kylix applications require glibc 2.1.2 or later. Some of
the changes to glibc 2.2 were those found by Borland as they were
developing Kylix.

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Mar  7 23:11:21 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103072310340.19133-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

I'm running badblocks on my gigantic harddrive (it's been going for over 3
hours!)

Anyone know offhand if badblocks actually reports bad blocks it finds?


-Yaron

--


From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Wed Mar  7 23:17:37 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
In-Reply-To: <3AA6FDF3.964C8FF8@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEMLCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

hehehe you're not bitter, thats the important thing. ;o)

> 
> No just a crusty ols bast**d who like to taunt IT because he has 
> the pull to
> make us dance to his song.
> Steve Grobe wrote:
> 
> > That's a high percentage of BeOS users.  Ex-Mac user forced onto an x86
> > box?
>
> 

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar  7 23:30:43 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
Message-ID: <20010307233043.A9713@real-time.com>

Upgraded to php4 and added the following:

  AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

But now my php3 scripts don't run. Any ideas on why?
-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar  8 00:02:46 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010307192409.027d5200@pop.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA72086.F28944F9@tc.umn.edu>

John Miller wrote:
> 
> I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is connected to the
> Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine yesterday when I
> retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get out and when
> I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping from linux to
> the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping lines time = 501
> to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for I am used to
> seeing an 'm' there.

usec = microsecond, msec = millisecond.  A microsecond is 1000 times
smaller than a millisecond (if you've forgotten your tiny metric units),
so a 501 usec ping time is nothing to sneeze at, being less than one
millisecond.

-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   Roman Numerals? 
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[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar  8 00:09:27 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3AA72217.6A748026@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> Maybe your hub/switch bit the dust...  Do you have another one you can swap
> in to see?

Before going that far, it might be good to just power-cycle it..

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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   car for a while...the  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  tires got dizzy. 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  8 00:13:06 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Never used badblocks before, but I ran into a problem last week where I had
bad blocks on a drive on one of my sun machines, but a disk surface check
run several times turned up nothing.  When accessing certain files I would
get an I/O error, and a SCSI error that said trouble reading block
xxxxxxxxxx.  I had to replace the drive to fix the problem.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:11 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> I'm running badblocks on my gigantic harddrive (it's been 
> going for over 3
> hours!)
> 
> Anyone know offhand if badblocks actually reports bad blocks it finds?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  8 00:13:06 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Never used badblocks before, but I ran into a problem last week where I had
bad blocks on a drive on one of my sun machines, but a disk surface check
run several times turned up nothing.  When accessing certain files I would
get an I/O error, and a SCSI error that said trouble reading block
xxxxxxxxxx.  I had to replace the drive to fix the problem.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:11 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> I'm running badblocks on my gigantic harddrive (it's been 
> going for over 3
> hours!)
> 
> Anyone know offhand if badblocks actually reports bad blocks it finds?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar  8 00:14:35 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
In-Reply-To: <3AA72217.6A748026@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:09:27AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3AA72217.6A748026@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010308001435.C9713@real-time.com>

Quoting Michael Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu):
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe your hub/switch bit the dust...  Do you have another one you can swap
> > in to see?
> 
> Before going that far, it might be good to just power-cycle it..
> 

No, no. Go buy a Cisco Cat 5000 try that. IF that does not work, then try a
reboot.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  8 00:14:48 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BC@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Change it to:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3

For the most part, php3 scripts work with php4, but there are a few things
that are different.  The best thing to do is just try it out.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:31 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
> 
> 
> Upgraded to php4 and added the following:
> 
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> 
> But now my php3 scripts don't run. Any ideas on why?
> -- 
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 
> 
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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  8 05:00:18 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BC@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3AA76642.108A9EE8@fandre.com>

For the most part php4 is backward compatable with php3. They added a
ton of new functions, but also redid the engine so there are few things
you need to watch out for:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/migration4.php

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> Change it to:
> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3
> 
> For the most part, php3 scripts work with php4, but there are a few things
> that are different.  The best thing to do is just try it out.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:31 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
> >
> >
> > Upgraded to php4 and added the following:
> >
> >   AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
> >   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> >
> > But now my php3 scripts don't run. Any ideas on why?
> > --
> > Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9
> >
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> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Thu Mar  8 07:30:12 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] Naked Wife  Virus alert!
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEMLCCAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <3AA78964.54C1975F@black-hole.com>

No I'm not bitter, but then I only have to deal with it sometimes, it can be a
good thing being the "Young inexperienced guy" sometimes,

Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> hehehe you're not bitter, thats the important thing. ;o)
>
> >
> > No just a crusty ols bast**d who like to taunt IT because he has
> > the pull to
> > make us dance to his song.
> > Steve Grobe wrote:
> >
> > > That's a high percentage of BeOS users.  Ex-Mac user forced onto an x86
> > > box?
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu Mar  8 07:43:53 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RDF sources?
In-Reply-To: <20010307214004.B11927@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 09:40:04PM -0600
References: <20010306234343.B10968@real-time.com> <01030717493400.01216@geezer> <20010307214004.B11927@iaxs.net>
Message-ID: <20010308074352.A21224@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 09:40:04PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote:
> > On Tuesday 06 March 2001 23:43, you wrote:
> > > I am playing around with Evolutions Executive Summary and I want to know if
> > > there are any other RDF sources out there.
> > >
> > > I got Slashdot. Is there one for freshmeat? Linux Today?
> 
> OK, I give up. Could someone give me a pointer to what you're talking
> about here?

The link I sent (http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/01/rss.html) gives
a pretty good explanations.  Basically rdf files (and related
things) are a way to display headlines from web sites in other
locations - such as slash boxes on slashdot.org, in the sidebar
on Mozilla, or (from what Bob says) in Gnome's Evolution.

-- 
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crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |

From jpschewe at mtu.net  Thu Mar  8 08:50:45 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] I give up
In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:33:37 -0600 (CST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103062231120.688-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <ur9089uwq.fsf@htc.honeywell.com>

>>>>> "j" == jethro  <Yaron> writes:

 j> Hell with it. I've tried:

 j> o Red Hat 7.1 Beta
 j> o Mandrake 8.0 Beta
 j> o FreeBSD 4.2
 j> o FreeBSD 4.1.1
 j> o Red Hat 7.0
 j> o debian, whatever the hell the latest RELEASE is.


 j> I give up. I'm going back to Red Hat 6.2. In fact, had RH7.1b not formated
 j> my old / I'd pretty much return the damn new harddrive that caused all
 j> this in the FIRST place (well, not it's fault, but still).

How about SuSE 7.1?
-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From bexley at daily.umn.edu  Thu Mar  8 10:24:05 2001
From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell service
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010307125213.00a001b0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>
References: <200103071707.f27H7Nx06199@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA75DC5.7824.A16AD27@localhost>

> I've had to call Dell for both sales and tech support several times in the 
> last three months, and have been thoroughly impressed. Are they perfect? 
> No, but then noone is. Do they get the job done, quickly, and make sure I 
> am satisfied? YES!!

Who are you calling? We have a bunch of Dells here and the two 
times that I have had to call for replacement parts they make me 
go through the whole "Is your computer plugged in and turned on?" 
routine no matter how much I bitch and moan.

Yes, the sales people are good, but the tech is just PAINFUL when 
you have to spend an hour on the phone for some dork to tell you 
to try rebooting.


Ben
-----
Benjamin Exley
Information Systems Manager
The Minnesota Daily
bexley@mndaily.com
(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190

From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar  8 16:30:44 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter
In-Reply-To: <3AA6856E.AD91A083@tc.umn.edu>
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA6856E.AD91A083@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <01030816304400.00281@Homer>

I'm trying to enable a portable / pocket ethernet adapter based on the 
RealTek 8002 chipset. This adapter uses the atp.o module, which I load at 
boot time in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules. 

If I run ifconfig -a, I can see the new interface, eth1. Here is the output 
of ifconfig -a:

UserX@Homer:~$ /sbin/ifconfig -a
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:C9:75:A1:D5  
          inet addr:10.0.0.2  Bcast:10.0.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:11 

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:95:0F:15:CF  
          inet addr:10.0.0.151  Bcast:10.0.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378 

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16192  Metric:1
          RX packets:20 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:20 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 

The resources of eth1 seem fine: 0x378 and irq 07. After all, it is on the 
parallel port...

But if I try to bring up the interface, here is what I get:

root@Homer:/home/UserX# ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 
broadcast 10.0.0.255 up
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy

I'm totally boggled with this.. I've read that I should *not* have parallel 
printer support enabled, and I do not. But it is built as a module... I also 
do not have PLIP enabled, only basic parallel port support. Here are some 
relevant dmesg lines:

parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,EPP]
parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38)
parport_pc: Via 686A parallel port: io=0x378, irq=7

Any ideas??
-- 


                           -.bill.layer.-
                          
-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.-

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From sos at zjod.net  Thu Mar  8 10:50:39 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> from "Austad, Jay" at Mar 08, 2001 12:13:06 AM
Message-ID: <200103081650.KAA06064@zjod.net>

Next time this happens, make sure directory "lost+found" exists at the mount-point
and move the damaged file into that directory.  This will keep the bad blocks
"allocated", but put 'em in a place that folks know not to use.

I.e: if the mount point is /opt/local, and the bad file is /opt/local/foo/bar, do:
	> mkdir /opt/local/lost+found
	> mv /opt/local/foo/bar /opt/local/lost+found

This technique usually works, assuming the bad block isn't an i-node.

If it's a bad i-node (an ls on the _parent_ directory usually fails in this case),
move the entire parent directory into lost+found.

Hope this help's,

-S


Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> Never used badblocks before, but I ran into a problem last week where I had
> bad blocks on a drive on one of my sun machines, but a disk surface check
> run several times turned up nothing.  When accessing certain files I would
> get an I/O error, and a SCSI error that said trouble reading block
> xxxxxxxxxx.  I had to replace the drive to fix the problem.
> 
> Jay

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  8 10:55:04 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] I give up
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095C2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I don't see Slackware listed there anywhere...  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@mtu.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:51 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I give up
> 
> 
> >>>>> "j" == jethro  <Yaron> writes:
> 
>  j> Hell with it. I've tried:
> 
>  j> o Red Hat 7.1 Beta
>  j> o Mandrake 8.0 Beta
>  j> o FreeBSD 4.2
>  j> o FreeBSD 4.1.1
>  j> o Red Hat 7.0
>  j> o debian, whatever the hell the latest RELEASE is.
> 
> 
>  j> I give up. I'm going back to Red Hat 6.2. In fact, had 
> RH7.1b not formated
>  j> my old / I'd pretty much return the damn new harddrive 
> that caused all
>  j> this in the FIRST place (well, not it's fault, but still).
> 
> How about SuSE 7.1?
> -- 
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> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
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From dcsherman at qwest.net  Thu Mar  8 13:07:25 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell service
In-Reply-To: <3AA75DC5.7824.A16AD27@localhost>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010307125213.00a001b0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>
 <200103071707.f27H7Nx06199@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010308110413.00a06c90@pop.mpls.qwest.net>

At 10:24 AM 03/08/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> > I've had to call Dell for both sales and tech support several times in the
> > last three months, and have been thoroughly impressed. Are they perfect?
> > No, but then noone is. Do they get the job done, quickly, and make sure I
> > am satisfied? YES!!
>
>Who are you calling? We have a bunch of Dells here and the two
>times that I have had to call for replacement parts they make me
>go through the whole "Is your computer plugged in and turned on?"
>routine no matter how much I bitch and moan.
>
>Yes, the sales people are good, but the tech is just PAINFUL when
>you have to spend an hour on the phone for some dork to tell you
>to try rebooting.
>
>
>Ben

I have called the server support line several times. They are always 
courteous, and they treat me like an intelligent human being. I generally 
tell them immediately that I am a consultant, and that I am familiar with 
my client's hardware and software setup, plus any other pertinent info for 
the situation. It seems to place us in a professional/peer relationship 
immediately, rather than having them treat me like a "luser".

I have never had to call for desktop/workstation support, but I would 
probably act the same if I did.

Dave

Dave Sherman
SoftServ Business Systems, Inc.            "Quid quid latine dictum sit,
webmaster@ssbs.com                                  altum viditur."
(763) 569-9839


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Thu Mar  8 11:08:30 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php4 works with php3 files?
Message-ID: <saa7683e.087@mdh-gw1>

How did you upgrade to php4 (rpm, compile as cgi, recompile apache module)?

Though php4 should run most php3 code just fine, you have the option of running either or both as a cgi (not recommended if you have a need for speed). Whichever you run as a cgi will need an 'AddHandler' line and a 'Action' line in 'httpd.conf':

  AddHandler application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
  Action application/x-httpd-php3 /cgi-bin/php3

or:

  AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php
  Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php4

This arrangement has some security implications (see php configuration docs), so be careful.

The easy way: use php4 for everything and fix old php3 scripts if need be. I have had more trouble running things written for php4 under php3 (only used a couple new functions).

Is anyone else waiting for HTML::Mason to shape up (syntax-wise and configuration-wise) so their 'perl-thought' doesn't get messed around after programming in php for a while?

>>> tanner@real-time.com 03/07/01 11:30PM >>>
Upgraded to php4 and added the following:

  AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

But now my php3 scripts don't run. Any ideas on why?
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From dave at droyer.org  Thu Mar  8 11:10:24 2001
From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Packaging problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081057140.13933-100000@droyer.org>

I am a long-time mandrake user...trying to convert over to Debian.  

I just got Ximian-Gnome installed, but now when I do an apt-get upgrade I
am getting errors about unmet dependancies.  I would appreciate it if
someone could help point me in the right direction to fix this.  I could
fix this with RPM's but I don't know enough about Debian's packaging
format to know how to fix this yet.

When I apt-get upgrade I get the following:
  merlin:/home/dave# apt-get upgrade
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
  Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
    libguile6-slib: Depends: libguile6 (= 1:1.3.4-helix5) but 1:1.3.4-3 is
  installed
  E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.

When I add the -f parameter it errors out with:
  <...snipped...>
  Fetched 1105kB in 1m47s (10.3kB/s)                                                
  Configuring packages ...      
  (Reading database ... 87468 files and directories currently installed.)
  Preparing to replace libguile6 1:1.3.4-3 (using
  .../libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement libguile6 ...
  dpkg: error processing
  /var/cache/apt/archives/libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb (--unpack):
   trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libguilereadline.so.0.0.0', which is also
  in package libguile9
  dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
  Preparing to replace bsdutils 1:2.10q-1 (using
  .../bsdutils_1%3a2.10s-2_i386.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement bsdutils ...
  Errors were encountered while processing:
   /var/cache/apt/archives/libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)



From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  8 11:44:15 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Packaging problems
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081057140.13933-100000@droyer.org>
Message-ID: <3AA7C4EF.98F4FB71@fandre.com>

I run into this problem a lot. The problem is that there are different
version of the same package on the different servers. (Debian's vs
Ximian) Usually doing a apt-get -f install will solve these problems.
Sometime it doesn't and you need to force and install by using the
--force-overwrite option. YMMV


David Royer wrote:
> 
> I am a long-time mandrake user...trying to convert over to Debian.
> 
> I just got Ximian-Gnome installed, but now when I do an apt-get upgrade I
> am getting errors about unmet dependancies.  I would appreciate it if
> someone could help point me in the right direction to fix this.  I could
> fix this with RPM's but I don't know enough about Debian's packaging
> format to know how to fix this yet.
> 
> When I apt-get upgrade I get the following:
>   merlin:/home/dave# apt-get upgrade
>   Reading Package Lists... Done
>   Building Dependency Tree... Done
>   You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
>   Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>     libguile6-slib: Depends: libguile6 (= 1:1.3.4-helix5) but 1:1.3.4-3 is
>   installed
>   E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
> 
> When I add the -f parameter it errors out with:
>   <...snipped...>
>   Fetched 1105kB in 1m47s (10.3kB/s)
>   Configuring packages ...
>   (Reading database ... 87468 files and directories currently installed.)
>   Preparing to replace libguile6 1:1.3.4-3 (using
>   .../libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb) ...
>   Unpacking replacement libguile6 ...
>   dpkg: error processing
>   /var/cache/apt/archives/libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb (--unpack):
>    trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libguilereadline.so.0.0.0', which is also
>   in package libguile9
>   dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
>   Preparing to replace bsdutils 1:2.10q-1 (using
>   .../bsdutils_1%3a2.10s-2_i386.deb) ...
>   Unpacking replacement bsdutils ...
>   Errors were encountered while processing:
>    /var/cache/apt/archives/libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb
>   E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  8 11:53:19 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bad news for OpenMail
Message-ID: <3AA7C70F.46D4E1C6@fandre.com>

Doesn't look like OpenMail will be OSS anytime soon. 
http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2693104,00.html

So what is Bruce doing over at HP, anyway?

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar  8 11:57:28 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell service
In-Reply-To: <3AA75DC5.7824.A16AD27@localhost>; from bexley@daily.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:24:05AM -0600
References: <200103071707.f27H7Nx06199@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010307125213.00a001b0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <3AA75DC5.7824.A16AD27@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010308115728.E1555@ringworld.org>

* Benjamin Exley <bexley@daily.umn.edu> [010308 10:29]:
> go through the whole "Is your computer plugged in and turned on?" 
> routine no matter how much I bitch and moan.

Depends on how your buying them, I guess.  We have some 'express service
number' that gets us basically to a decent level of support.

-- 
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From kent at structural-wood.com  Thu Mar  8 12:17:10 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bad news for OpenMail
References: <3AA7C70F.46D4E1C6@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7CCA6.5B7B51DA@structural-wood.com>

Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> Doesn't look like OpenMail will be OSS anytime soon.
> http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2693104,00.html
> 
> So what is Bruce doing over at HP, anyway?
> 
Knuckling under...

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar  8 12:19:28 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Packaging problems
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081057140.13933-100000@droyer.org> <3AA7C4EF.98F4FB71@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7CD30.9D6A63C0@ltiflex.com>

Clay only skimmed this one. You'll get stuff like this alot when you use
Ximian. Whoever is building those packages doesn't quite have their head
screwd on strait or doesn't like how Debian sets up their GNOME packages.
(Or perhaps they just can't keep pace with unstable) When apt-get -f install
doesn't correct the error, you may have to resort to using dpkg. If it's a
problem like you're experiencing, dpkg --force-overwrite -i
/var/cache/apt/archives/whatever.deb should take care of it. dpkg has lots
of other options. (see dpkg --help) and lots of ways to force things (dpkg
--force-help). If you get package X depends on package Y but package Y is
not configured you can run dpkg --configure -a and then try apt again. I
think that covers the common problems with Ximian GNOME on Debian...

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar  8 12:26:39 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA6856E.AD91A083@tc.umn.edu> <01030816304400.00281@Homer>
Message-ID: <3AA7CEDF.5DEDF6@ltiflex.com>

> If I run ifconfig -a, I can see the new interface, eth1. Here is the output
> of ifconfig -a:
> 
> UserX@Homer:~$ /sbin/ifconfig -a

<snip>

> 
> The resources of eth1 seem fine: 0x378 and irq 07. After all, it is on the
> parallel port...
> 
> But if I try to bring up the interface, here is what I get:
> 
> root@Homer:/home/UserX# ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0
> broadcast 10.0.0.255 up
> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy
> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy

Looks fine to me. ifconfig shows eth1 to be up and running, so the error is
correct. The Device or resource is busy, because the interface is allready
configured. 

Now if I'm reading this wrong and eth1 doesn't show up until you do ifconfig
eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 up, then there is
a problem. 

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From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar  8 12:31:47 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] slow network connection
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010307192409.027d5200@pop.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103081030280.13271-100000@theo.egoode.com>

"u" stands for microseconds (10E-6). 500 usecs is the same as .5ms. New
versions of ping on linux have this.


On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Miller wrote:

> I have 2 windows machines connected to my linux which is connected to the
> Internet via cable modem.  The connection was working fine yesterday when I
> retrieved my e-mail.  To night the windows machines can't get out and when
> I ping from windows to linux I get packet loss.  When I ping from linux to
> the windows machines I get about an 11% loss.  On the ping lines time = 501
> to about 587 usec. I am not sure what the 'u' stands for I am used to
> seeing an 'm' there.
>
> Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be or where to begin.  The only
> change I made was Monday night I finished installing KDE 2.1
>
> John Miller
>
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From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar  8 12:36:04 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103081034520.13271-100000@theo.egoode.com>

I think you have to output to a file ("-o" option?) to get a list
of bad blocks. Then feed the file to mkfs.ext2 to mark those
blocks bad during a format.


On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Never used badblocks before, but I ran into a problem last week where I had
> bad blocks on a drive on one of my sun machines, but a disk surface check
> run several times turned up nothing.  When accessing certain files I would
> get an I/O error, and a SCSI error that said trouble reading block
> xxxxxxxxxx.  I had to replace the drive to fix the problem.
>
> Jay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:11 PM
> > To: TCLUG
> > Subject: [TCLUG] badblocks
> >
> >
> >   Hi,
> >
> > I'm running badblocks on my gigantic harddrive (it's been
> > going for over 3
> > hours!)
> >
> > Anyone know offhand if badblocks actually reports bad blocks it finds?
> >
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
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From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar  8 12:47:38 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
In-Reply-To: <20010308003515.0018C36EE@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103081040200.13271-100000@theo.egoode.com>

The 3Crap cable modem is 10/half only. Therefore your connection
to a swtich will be 10/half for that "segment". Collisons will
occur between the swtich and cable modem even with just two hosts
just due to the nature of ethernet. Unless you are seeing more than
1-2% of total packest repored as collisons then you most likely
dont have a collision problem.

If you are on a hub then you will see even more. If you have a
hardware problem you pings between you boxes (assuming you have
two or more) will show high latency occasionally (>20ms).

Most "donald becker" drivers can be recompiled  with more debug
info. in your .c code up DEBUG to 3 or 4 and recompile. Usualy
you will get speed/deplux setting info with higer debug info.


On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Chuck Larson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry I missed the install fest on saturday; I had a fever of 100.6.
>
> So, I have a cable modem (through roadrunner) and I am getting a high rate of collisions.  I was looking through the specs on the modem and noticed it is half-duplex.  Is there anyway to set/check the half-duplex status on the NIC on my linux router.
>
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From fertch at mninter.net  Thu Mar  8 13:55:35 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA6856E.AD91A083@tc.umn.edu> <01030816304400.00281@Homer> <3AA7CEDF.5DEDF6@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7E3B6.C8EC01BD@mninter.net>

Andy Zbikowski wrote:

>
> Now if I'm reading this wrong and eth1 doesn't show up until you do ifconfig
> eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 up, then there is
> a problem.

That's what I'm running into on my pcmcia card that I posted yesterday.  Bill,
you running Slackware 7.1?  I'm on kenel 2.2.16 also.

Shawn


From straznp at frontiernet.net  Thu Mar  8 13:51:51 2001
From: straznp at frontiernet.net (Nathan Straz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Packaging problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081057140.13933-100000@droyer.org>; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:10:24AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081057140.13933-100000@droyer.org>
Message-ID: <20010308145151.A39286@frontiernet.net>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:10:24AM -0600, David Royer wrote:
>   Preparing to replace libguile6 1:1.3.4-3 (using
>   .../libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb) ...
>   Unpacking replacement libguile6 ...
>   dpkg: error processing
>   /var/cache/apt/archives/libguile6_1%3a1.3.4-helix5_i386.deb (--unpack):
>    trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libguilereadline.so.0.0.0', which is also
>   in package libguile9

dpkg -r libguile9
apt-get -f install

Nate

From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  8 14:16:12 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter
In-Reply-To: <3AA7CEDF.5DEDF6@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103081415580.5103-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> Looks fine to me. ifconfig shows eth1 to be up and running, so the error is
> correct. The Device or resource is busy, because the interface is allready
> configured.
>
> Now if I'm reading this wrong and eth1 doesn't show up until you do ifconfig
> eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 up, then there is
> a problem.

ifconfig should be able to reconfigure the device.

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 14:19:25 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install
Message-ID: <20010308201925.25592.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>

i am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on my machine,
the problem is that i use a promise Ultra100
controller in addition to the on-board VIA
controller... none of the kernels provided on the CD
work...

how would i use a kernel of my own to install
Slakware? i tried to dd the kernel file to /dev/fd0
but i only got a kernel panic when booting up... is
there something else/ different i have to do?

 -munir

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From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar  8 20:26:03 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter (more)
In-Reply-To: <3AA7E3B6.C8EC01BD@mninter.net>
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA7CEDF.5DEDF6@ltiflex.com> <3AA7E3B6.C8EC01BD@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <01030820260301.00401@Homer>

Hello,

On Thursday 08 March 2001 13:55, you wrote:
> Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> > Now if I'm reading this wrong and eth1 doesn't show up until you do
> > ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 up,
> > then there is a problem.

Yes you are reading that wrong.. the interface shows up as soon as the module 
is loaded. ifconfig does *seem* to be setting the parameters for the 
interface, but it fails to bring it up.

> That's what I'm running into on my pcmcia card that I posted yesterday. 
> Bill, you running Slackware 7.1?  I'm on kenel 2.2.16 also.

I'm running Slackware 7.1, kernel 2.4.0 with a bunch of 3rd party kernel 
modules (bestcrypt, vmware). I have recently updated my modutils to 2.4.3.

Here is something else interesting that I noticed, a message when I modprobe 
atp:

Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.0/kernel/drivers/net/atp.o parameter io has max < 
min!

'parameter io has max < min!' ??

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar  8 14:47:44 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless client loading
Message-ID: <3AA7EFF0.B4684BB0@fandre.com>

Anyone have experience booting diskless clients? I'm actual get it to
boot the kernel and it says it mounts the filesystem, but complains it
can't load init. I've tried /bin/sh with no luck. The server logs say
the client mounts the nfsroot just fine, but it still can't load init.
Any ideas?

Clay

From fertch at mninter.net  Thu Mar  8 14:59:43 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install
References: <20010308201925.25592.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7F2BF.B7D6317@mninter.net>

At the install fest, I put Slackware 7.1 on my desktop.  It's a 1GHz Athlon, with a Biostar M7kb (or something m-board).  I think it was also
Ultra-100 controller onboard and I know it has the VIA chipset.  Didn't run into any problems until I got to the Lilo config and also setting up
XF86 to run Gnome on my SB Annihilator2 Geforce-2 card..

I booted off the downloaded iso cd-rom, and it installed like a charm.  One thing to note is that I have my HDD and internal Zip-250 on one IDE
controller and my CD-rom on the other IDE controller.  On a side note, I've had to create boot diskettes for my older machines at home that don't
have bootable cd-rom's.  Had no problem there either on initialization.  Possible bad cd? or ????

Don't know if that helps or not, but might be something there.

Munir Nassar wrote:

> i am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on my machine,
> the problem is that i use a promise Ultra100
> controller in addition to the on-board VIA
> controller... none of the kernels provided on the CD
> work...
>
> how would i use a kernel of my own to install
> Slakware? i tried to dd the kernel file to /dev/fd0
> but i only got a kernel panic when booting up... is
> there something else/ different i have to do?
>
>  -munir


From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar  8 20:57:43 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install
In-Reply-To: <20010308201925.25592.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010308201925.25592.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01030820574300.00443@Homer>

On Thursday 08 March 2001 14:19, you wrote:
> i am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on my machine,
> the problem is that i use a promise Ultra100
> controller in addition to the on-board VIA
> controller... none of the kernels provided on the CD
> work...

Check out this message I found:

http://faqchest.dynhost.com/linux/KERNEL/kern-01/kern-0101/kern-010158/kern01011207_12283.html

Have you taken all of these steps, patched your kernel etc?
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar  8 15:00:09 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
Message-ID: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm>

Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd like
for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what I
am doing.

1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20

2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine 
mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get 
ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)

It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql port)

When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
when you tunnel to it.

Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
transactions? 
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From fertch at mninter.net  Thu Mar  8 15:09:10 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need help - RealTek 8002 ethernet adapter (more)
References: <20010305191126.47037.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA7CEDF.5DEDF6@ltiflex.com> <3AA7E3B6.C8EC01BD@mninter.net> <01030820260301.00401@Homer>
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Bill Layer wrote:

> Yes you are reading that wrong.. the interface shows up as soon as the module
> is loaded. ifconfig does *seem* to be setting the parameters for the
> interface, but it fails to bring it up.

I think we may be experiencing the same thing Bill.  My laptop will detect, and
attempt to load the driver.  On dmesg, it shows it trying as well as trying to
hit a dhcp server.  Problem is, that when doing an ifconfig all that shows up is
"lo."  Until I do "ifconfig eth0 up" and then rerun /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 will it
initialize and hit against a dhcp server.

>
> I'm running Slackware 7.1, kernel 2.4.0 with a bunch of 3rd party kernel
> modules (bestcrypt, vmware). I have recently updated my modutils to 2.4.3.
>
> Here is something else interesting that I noticed, a message when I modprobe
> atp:
>
> Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.0/kernel/drivers/net/atp.o parameter io has max <
> min!
>
> 'parameter io has max < min!' ??

I've only got a couple of little things on outside of the base load.  I wonder
if what we're experiencing might be a bug?  Just a thought....

Shawn


From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  8 15:27:45 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless client loading
In-Reply-To: <3AA7EFF0.B4684BB0@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103081526010.15978-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> Anyone have experience booting diskless clients? I'm actual get it to
> boot the kernel and it says it mounts the filesystem, but complains it
> can't load init. I've tried /bin/sh with no luck. The server logs say
> the client mounts the nfsroot just fine, but it still can't load init.
> Any ideas?

Useing PXELinux, right?

You have /dev/ in your nfs root, right?

doing something like this in the pxelinux.cfg/ipaddr file, right?

DEFAULT kernel
APPEND root=/dev/nfs rw nfsroot=ip.of.nfs.srv:/path/to/mount:ip=<localip>:<nfsip>:<defroute>:<subnetmask>:hostname
DISPLAY message.txt
PROMPT 1
TIMEOUT 50

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar  8 15:29:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103081528370.15978-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote:
> Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd like
> for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
> documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what I
> am doing.
>
> 1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
> ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>
> 2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
> mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
> I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
> server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
> ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>
> It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
> connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
> tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql port)
>
> When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
> illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
> when you tunnel to it.

FTP uses ports 20 and 21 (and possibly > 1024)

> Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
> transactions?

Doesn't MySQL have integrated encryption?

We've been using VPN tunnels, here..

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 15:38:00 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] installing Slackware
Message-ID: <20010308213800.26633.qmail@web10113.mail.yahoo.com>

here is what i have: a Maxtor 27GB HDD on the Primary
on-board IDE
my cdrom drive as secondary master on the on-board
controller
my cdrw drive as secondary slave on the on-board
controller
the i have another two sub-1GB HDD on the primary
promise controller
and a Zip100 on the secondary Promise controller

in other words:
hda: Maxtor 27GB HDD
hdb: nothing
hdc: CDROM
hdd: CDRW
hde: WD 850MB HDD (i use this for swap)
hdf: Seagate 1GB HDD (i use this for ghost images)
hdg: nothing
hdh: IOmega zip100

the problem is that the kernels that come with
slackware do not recognize the Promise controller...
(and yes i booted directly from the CDROM)

the solution: use a different kernel Image to boot off
of...
how to do that: i already have Mandrake7.2 installed
and the kernel has everything compiled into it, so why
not use this kernel... (the question is how)

as to why i am installing Slackware...simply because
for some reason Mandrake will not compile a new
kernel, even after installing all the C libraries i
could find...

i hope this resolves any confusions that may have come
up...

 -munir

IN-REPLY-TO:
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:59:43 -0600
From: Shawn <fertch@mninter.net>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Slackware install
Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org

At the install fest, I put Slackware 7.1 on my
desktop.  It's a 1GHz 
Athlon, with a Biostar M7kb (or something m-board).  I
think it was also
Ultra-100 controller onboard and I know it has the VIA
chipset.  Didn't 
run into any problems until I got to the Lilo config
and also setting 
up
XF86 to run Gnome on my SB Annihilator2 Geforce-2
card..

I booted off the downloaded iso cd-rom, and it
installed like a charm.  
One thing to note is that I have my HDD and internal
Zip-250 on one IDE
controller and my CD-rom on the other IDE controller. 
On a side note, 
I've had to create boot diskettes for my older
machines at home that 
don't
have bootable cd-rom's.  Had no problem there either
on initialization.  
Possible bad cd? or ????

Don't know if that helps or not, but might be
something there.



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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Thu Mar  8 15:41:25 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
Message-ID: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1>

Have you used the IP address of hermes in the command line to 'mysql'? MySQL may be getting confused with the server name it is being handed. Just a guess.

With ftp, have you forwarded ports 20 and 21? Have you tried setting your client to passive mode using just port 21?


>>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/08/01 03:00PM >>>
Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd like
for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what I
am doing.

1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20

2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine 
mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get 
ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)

It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql port)

When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
when you tunnel to it.

Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
transactions? 
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane


From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar  8 15:42:54 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install
References: <20010308201925.25592.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009001c0a818$bc60dd00$3028680a@tgt.com>

You will have to ungzip the boot image and mount it on a loopback device.
You then should swap the kernel images and you will probably have to run
lilo on the image (with the lilo.conf on the loopback device).  Then you can
umount the loopback device and gzip the image again.  You should be set.

This was a pretty adhoc summary, but I believe they follow the BOOTDISK
HOWTO pretty closely on that part.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Munir Nassar" <m_nassar@yahoo.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:19 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install


> i am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on my machine,
> the problem is that i use a promise Ultra100
> controller in addition to the on-board VIA
> controller... none of the kernels provided on the CD
> work...
>
> how would i use a kernel of my own to install
> Slakware? i tried to dd the kernel file to /dev/fd0
> but i only got a kernel panic when booting up... is
> there something else/ different i have to do?
>
>  -munir
>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar  8 15:44:45 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
References: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <009d01c0a818$fe792e90$3028680a@tgt.com>

MySQL will get the servername of where ever sshd is running.  I do this all
the time -- allows me a local ODBC connection accross ssh to MySQL running
on a different firewalled machine.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Johnson" <Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh


> Have you used the IP address of hermes in the command line to 'mysql'?
MySQL may be getting confused with the server name it is being handed. Just
a guess.
>
> With ftp, have you forwarded ports 20 and 21? Have you tried setting your
client to passive mode using just port 21?
>
>
> >>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/08/01 03:00PM >>>
> Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
like
> for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
> documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's
what I
> am doing.
>
> 1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
> ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>
> 2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
> mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
> I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
> server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
> ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>
> It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
> connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though
the
> tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
port)
>
> When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
> illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't
like
> when you tunnel to it.
>
> Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
> transactions?
> --
> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789
> Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951
> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>
> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her
wrist
> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>
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>


From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar  8 15:51:44 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
In-Reply-To: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1>; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:41:25PM -0600
References: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <20010308155144.A1283@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:41:25PM -0600, Troy Johnson wrote:
>Have you used the IP address of hermes in the command line to 'mysql'? MySQL may be getting confused with the server name it is being handed. Just a guess.

Yes.

>
>With ftp, have you forwarded ports 20 and 21? Have you tried setting your client to passive mode using just port 21?

I didn't mess with the ftp think to much. I just wanted to verify tht I was
doing the ssh command properly and able to push through the tunnel.

>
>>>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/08/01 03:00PM >>>
>Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd like
>for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
>documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what I
>am doing.
>
>1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
>ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>
>2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine 
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
>I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
>server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get 
>ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>
>It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
>connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
>tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql port)
>
>When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
>illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
>when you tunnel to it.
>
>Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
>transactions? 
>-- 
>Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
>Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
>Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>
>"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
>from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar  8 15:52:23 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
In-Reply-To: <009d01c0a818$fe792e90$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:44:45PM -0600
References: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1> <009d01c0a818$fe792e90$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010308155222.B1283@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:44:45PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>MySQL will get the servername of where ever sshd is running.  I do this all
>the time -- allows me a local ODBC connection accross ssh to MySQL running
>on a different firewalled machine.

o.k. so what mysql command do you use?

>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Troy Johnson" <Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us>
>To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
>
>
>> Have you used the IP address of hermes in the command line to 'mysql'?
>MySQL may be getting confused with the server name it is being handed. Just
>a guess.
>>
>> With ftp, have you forwarded ports 20 and 21? Have you tried setting your
>client to passive mode using just port 21?
>>
>>
>> >>> blutgens@sistina.com 03/08/01 03:00PM >>>
>> Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
>like
>> for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
>> documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's
>what I
>> am doing.
>>
>> 1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
>> ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>>
>> 2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
>> mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>>
>> I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
>> server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
>> ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>>
>> It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
>> connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though
>the
>> tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
>port)
>>
>> When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
>> illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't
>like
>> when you tunnel to it.
>>
>> Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
>> transactions?
>> --
>> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789
>> Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951
>> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>>
>> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her
>wrist
>> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar  8 15:51:55 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
References: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <00a901c0a819$fee8eae0$3028680a@tgt.com>

I may miss what you are doing (I use the SSH2 client from ssh.com).

But I think you want:

ssh -L 13306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

Is there any reason you can't just use 3306 on hermes as well?  So ...

ssh -L 3306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD


Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh

Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
like
for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what
I
am doing.

1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20

2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)

It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
port)

When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
when you tunnel to it.

Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
transactions?



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar  8 16:00:07 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
References: <saa7a82a.005@mdh-gw1> <009d01c0a818$fe792e90$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010308155222.B1283@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <00ef01c0a81b$28a6d760$3028680a@tgt.com>

hermes-1% ssh -L 3306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
hermes-2% mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

Assumes that you can open a local socket on 3306.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:44:45PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>MySQL will get the servername of where ever sshd is running.  I do this all
>the time -- allows me a local ODBC connection accross ssh to MySQL running
>on a different firewalled machine.

o.k. so what mysql command do you use?

>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net



From djake at mn.rr.com  Thu Mar  8 16:16:18 2001
From: djake at mn.rr.com (Dan Jacobsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Mandrake 7.2 install...hangs at runtime prompt
Message-ID: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFGELMCCAA.djake@mn.rr.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm a total newbie to Linux and I've just installed (nearly) Linux Mandrake
7.2 on my drive and it seems to load alright after LILO until it gets to the
"runtime" prompt?

I've tried 0 thru 6 but the cursor just blinks and the system locks up??
"ctl-alt-delete" does not get a reboot and I have to shutdown and coldboot
again...

I hope this is something simple that someone here can help me with?


Thanks in advance...


Dan Jacobsen


From djake at mn.rr.com  Thu Mar  8 16:25:20 2001
From: djake at mn.rr.com (Dan Jacobsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Correction...Help with Mandrake 7.2 install...hangs at runLEVEL prompt
Message-ID: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFOELMCCAA.djake@mn.rr.com>

Correction..I meant...

"seems to load alright after LILO until it gets to the "runLEVEL" prompt?"

From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Thu Mar  8 15:48:26 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Mandrake 7.2 install...hangs at runtime prompt
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFGELMCCAA.djake@mn.rr.com>; from djake@mn.rr.com on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:16:18PM -0600
References: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFGELMCCAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010308154826.A26999@mn.rr.com>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:16:18PM -0600, Dan Jacobsen wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm a total newbie to Linux and I've just installed (nearly) Linux Mandrake
> 7.2 on my drive and it seems to load alright after LILO until it gets to the
> "runtime" prompt?

I'm not familiary with the "runtime" prompt.  Can you post
more details from your boot messages?


From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar  8 16:33:08 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
In-Reply-To: <00a901c0a819$fee8eae0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:51:55PM -0600
References: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm> <00a901c0a819$fee8eae0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010308163308.A1416@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:51:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>I may miss what you are doing (I use the SSH2 client from ssh.com).
>
>But I think you want:
>
>ssh -L 13306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

I did this exactly as above and still get ERROR 2203: Coan't connect to MySQL
server on 'hermes.sistina.com' (111)

Also when I do it this way with (for example) ftp ports I can't connect at
all. I am pretty sure the first part is
localport:remotehost:remoteport

>
>Is there any reason you can't just use 3306 on hermes as well?  So ...
>
>ssh -L 3306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
>To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:00 PM
>Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
>
>Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
>like
>for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
>documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what
>I
>am doing.
>
>1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
>ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>
>2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
>I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
>server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
>ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>
>It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
>connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though the
>tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
>port)
>
>When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
>illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't like
>when you tunnel to it.
>
>Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
>transactions?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From maetkare at ix.netcom.com  Thu Mar  8 16:41:28 2001
From: maetkare at ix.netcom.com (Karen K. Brostoski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE serial/com issue
Message-ID: <B6CD66B8.41C4%maetkare@ix.netcom.com>

I'm a newbie, Linux-wise. I've been working on SuSE 6.3 for a while now and
everything is great, it's a little bit of a learning curve, but I am having
'a lot of fun'. I just have one problem. Just one, or maybe you might call
it two...

There is a conflict between my (plain and generic) serial mouse and the
(Supra 56k) PCI modem. I can connect online just fine, but after a few
minutes, the speed stalls. If I jiggle the mouse... it speeds up again. When
I stop jiggling the mouse, it slowly goes down in speed, then stalls...
until I jiggle the mouse. :) Well, I opened a terminal and checked to see if
there is a conflict. I can see on boot that they are sharing an IRQ. I went
into the BIOS and tried switching the IRQs... didn't work. I just switched
them, then I tried using the IRQ10, since it was the only other option. The
mouse didn't even work then. I know I could give more details, but I don't
want to spam and am not sure what might be needed to troubleshoot this. I
remember trying 'setserial' last year for this problem, but it didn't fix
it. However, I don't remember exactly what I typed in, since it's been a
year since I tried that one. I'm not Linux-savvy enough for all this yet.
So...
SuSE 6.3, sharing a computer (P133, 6GB drive) with Win98. No problems with
anything but this modem/mouse issue. Win98 can connect online with no such
conflict, but I'd much rather use Linux! Help/Advice... is welcome!

PS: I moved to Minneapolis several months ago. I was directed to your
mailing list by a nice man I met at Barnes & Noble last night, in the
computer book section. So, if he's reading this: Thanks!

- Karen


From dave at droyer.org  Thu Mar  8 16:54:39 2001
From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Packaging problems
In-Reply-To: <3AA7CD30.9D6A63C0@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081653050.16506-100000@droyer.org>

Thanks everyone!

I had to use the force option with dpkg, but that got me going!  Before
long I should be able to retire my mandrake partition!!

Dave Royer


From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  8 17:51:00 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095B8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m2g0gnakgr.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> You shouldn't see any collisions at all on your network interface, I just
> checked 7 or 8 different boxes of mine, some have been up for 6 months or
> more serving Real Video content out at around 5-10 Mb/sec during the day,
> and I don't show any collisions at all on them.
> 
> Chances are that your duplex is mismatched.  Maybe a cheap NIC could do it
> too..  probably doesn't hurt anything if you only have .1% though.
> 

Running a real 3c59x, I show:

gw:Mail# w
  5:47pm  up 15 days,  1:25,  5 users,  load average: 2.39, 2.16, 2.11

gw:Mail# ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:24:D1:4F:3A  
          inet addr:63.224.10.74  Bcast:63.224.10.79  Mask:255.255.255.248
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:12906269 errors:5 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:5
          TX packets:14615922 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:431
          collisions:39926 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:10 Base address:0x9400 

So, small percentage of collisions, but definitely non-zero.

This system is going into the 100 megabit portion of a 10/100 "hub
with switch" (amazingly weird intermediate hardware generation; it has
a 10mb collision domain and a 100mb collision domain with a switch
connecting them) which is connected to a real 10/100 switch which is
finally connected to a Cisco 675 DSL router (most of the traffic on
this system is external).
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet      /      Welcome to the future!      /      dd-b@dd-b.net
SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar  8 18:51:47 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE disk tuning (hdparm)
Message-ID: <m2ae6vahng.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

I'm looking at whether my IDE devices are getting configured right by
default.  I haven't done much experimenting, since this is, um,
potentially exciting.  

What room for improvement do people see in the following drive, and
how risky would going for that improvement be?

    gw:Mail# hdparm -i /dev/hdc

    /dev/hdc:

     Model=WDC WD200BB-00AUA1, FwRev=18.20D18, SerialNo=WD-WMA6Y3119666
     Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec SpinMotCtl Fixed DTR>5Mbs FmtGapReq }
     RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=57600, SectSize=600, ECCbytes=40
     BuffType=3(DualPortCache), BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
     DblWordIO=no, OldPIO=2, DMA=yes, OldDMA=0
     CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=-66060037, LBA=yes, LBAsects=39102336
     tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: mword0 mword1 mword2 
     IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4 
     UDMA modes: mode0 mode1 mode2 mode3 mode4 *mode5 

    gw:Mail# hdparm -c /dev/hdc

    /dev/hdc:
     I/O support  =  0 (default 16-bit)

Looks like multi-word DMA might be appropriate.  Does the "*" on the
UDMA line say it's already selected mode 5?  The man page doesn't say
much about interpreting the output.  Would multi-sector reads be worth
looking at?  Any other suggestions, or warnings about how to avoid
destroying the universe by mistake while playing with this?
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet      /      Welcome to the future!      /      dd-b@dd-b.net
SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/          Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar  8 18:53:27 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
References: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm> <00a901c0a819$fee8eae0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010308163308.A1416@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <001f01c0a833$59f4d570$0100a8c0@cascade>

Did you try telnet to it.  Maybe it is from MySQL permissions?

Also, try localhost instead of hermes.

ssh -L 13306:localhost:3306 bender.sistina.com
mysql -h localhost -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:51:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>I may miss what you are doing (I use the SSH2 client from ssh.com).
>
>But I think you want:
>
>ssh -L 13306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD

I did this exactly as above and still get ERROR 2203: Coan't connect to
MySQL
server on 'hermes.sistina.com' (111)

Also when I do it this way with (for example) ftp ports I can't connect at
all. I am pretty sure the first part is
localport:remotehost:remoteport

>
>Is there any reason you can't just use 3306 on hermes as well?  So ...
>
>ssh -L 3306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
>To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:00 PM
>Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
>
>Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
>like
>for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
>documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what
>I
>am doing.
>
>1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
>ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
>
>2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
>mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
>I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
>server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
>ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
>
>It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
>connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though
the
>tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
>port)
>
>When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
>illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't
like
>when you tunnel to it.
>
>Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
>transactions?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

--
Ben Lutgens  cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her
wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane



From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar  8 19:23:09 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] I give up
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095C2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103081921590.1601-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I don't see Slackware listed there anywhere...  :)

I know.

Actually, I'm kinda tempted to try both Slackware and suse, but it's been
5 days fergoodnessake... enough already. I'm going to try RH7 again, this
time killing off gcc2.96 right from the start. We'll see.


-Yaron

--


From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar  8 21:02:49 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095CA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Must be the hub portion that causes it...  On all of the machines I checked,
I don't have any collisions.


Here's an Intel EEpro100 under Linux plugged directly into a cat 6509:
[root@mail /root]# uptime
  8:49pm  up 206 days, 12:47,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[root@mail /root]# /sbin/ifconfig 
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:B0:D0:49:96:AB  
          inet addr:10.10.220.100  Bcast:209.54.52.255  Mask:255.255.0.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:699886627 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:727509085 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:16 Base address:0xb000 

Another:

  9:40pm  up 22 days,  9:03,  4 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.15, 0.10
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:B0:D0:49:CE:77  
          inet addr:10.10.220.101  Bcast:10.10.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:36665671 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:49380623 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:16 Base address:0x9000 

Here's a 3c905:
[root@austad /root]# uptime
  9:00pm  up 17 days,  2:49,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[root@austad /root]# /sbin/ifconfig 
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:DA:BA:F7:D2  
          inet addr:10.1.150.90  Bcast:10.1.150.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:7415958 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0
          TX packets:2497135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          Interrupt:9 Base address:0x1080 

For fun, a Sun enterprise 250:
bash-2.03# uptime
  8:58pm  up 10 day(s),  1:36,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.14, 0.15
bash-2.03# netstat -I hme0
Name  Mtu  Net/Dest      Address        Ipkts  Ierrs Opkts  Oerrs Collis
Queue 
hme0  1500 arpanet       mpls-collect   9773979 0     14480760 0     0
0    

And a Sun enterprise 420:
bash-2.02# uptime
  9:01pm  up 128 day(s),  7:29,  1 user,  load average: 0.18, 0.16, 0.17
bash-2.02# netstat -I hme0
Name  Mtu  Net/Dest      Address        Ipkts  Ierrs Opkts  Oerrs Collis
Queue 
hme0  1500 nyc-collect   nyc-collect    99094772 0     70500620 0     0
0  



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to tell the kernel eth0 is half-duplex
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:
> 
> > You shouldn't see any collisions at all on your network 
> interface, I just
> > checked 7 or 8 different boxes of mine, some have been up 
> for 6 months or
> > more serving Real Video content out at around 5-10 Mb/sec 
> during the day,
> > and I don't show any collisions at all on them.
> > 
> > Chances are that your duplex is mismatched.  Maybe a cheap 
> NIC could do it
> > too..  probably doesn't hurt anything if you only have .1% though.
> > 
> 
> Running a real 3c59x, I show:
> 
> gw:Mail# w
>   5:47pm  up 15 days,  1:25,  5 users,  load average: 2.39, 2.16, 2.11
> 
> gw:Mail# ifconfig
> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:24:D1:4F:3A  
>           inet addr:63.224.10.74  Bcast:63.224.10.79  
> Mask:255.255.255.248
>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:12906269 errors:5 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:5
>           TX packets:14615922 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 
> carrier:431
>           collisions:39926 txqueuelen:100 
>           Interrupt:10 Base address:0x9400 
> 
> So, small percentage of collisions, but definitely non-zero.
> 
> This system is going into the 100 megabit portion of a 10/100 "hub
> with switch" (amazingly weird intermediate hardware generation; it has
> a 10mb collision domain and a 100mb collision domain with a switch
> connecting them) which is connected to a real 10/100 switch which is
> finally connected to a Cisco 675 DSL router (most of the traffic on
> this system is external).
> -- 
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Mar  8 21:49:32 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082136420.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


    I am having a difficult time running a lot of my perl scripts on my
server. I am running Red Hat 6.2 with perl 5.005_3. For some reason, when
I try to run a perl script in this fashion:


     [jamie@floyd jamie]$ ./prog101

    I get this:
   
    bash: ./prog101: no such file or directory

    but when I execute it like this:

    [jamie@floyd jamie]$ perl prog101

    the program executes fine.

    I set permissions to 777 on the file. I set the path in the script to
the perl interpreter. I haven't ever run into this anywhere  before and I
am stumped. Anyone know what I may be doing wrong?









-- 
  "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
hurry." --Ralph



From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar  8 21:55:38 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082136420.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103082153330.3705-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

>     I set permissions to 777 on the file. I set the path in the script to
> the perl interpreter. I haven't ever run into this anywhere  before and I
> am stumped. Anyone know what I may be doing wrong?

This is a long shot, but have you edited them on Windows? This happened
to us when my wife edited perl files on Windows, and a ^M got added to the
end of #! /usr/bin/perl.


-Yaron

--


From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Mar  8 22:03:09 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103082153330.3705-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082201430.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


   No, the program actually is a download from a site off slashdot. It is
the mudshell program, if you are familiar with that, and I have only
opened it up on the server. Thanks for trying though.



On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> >     I set permissions to 777 on the file. I set the path in the script to
> > the perl interpreter. I haven't ever run into this anywhere  before and I
> > am stumped. Anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
> 
> This is a long shot, but have you edited them on Windows? This happened
> to us when my wife edited perl files on Windows, and a ^M got added to the
> end of #! /usr/bin/perl.
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
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From ksm at dogbrain.com  Thu Mar  8 22:11:40 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082201430.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>; from Jamie Ostrowski on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:03:09PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103082153330.3705-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082201430.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <20010308221140.A7635@dogbrain.com>

Similar to what Yaron suggested, what is the first line of your
perl script?

It should be #!/usr/bin/perl or something very much like it. It
should point to where perl is installed on your system.

Regards

					- Karl

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:03:09PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> 
>    No, the program actually is a download from a site off slashdot. It is
> the mudshell program, if you are familiar with that, and I have only
> opened it up on the server. Thanks for trying though.

> > This is a long shot, but have you edited them on Windows? This happened
> > to us when my wife edited perl files on Windows, and a ^M got added to the
> > end of #! /usr/bin/perl.

From prafulgajjar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 23:35:29 2001
From: prafulgajjar at yahoo.com (praful)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Help on Harddsik formatting on AT&T UNIX SYSTEM V/68 Running on Motorola 68032 multiprocessor syetm
Message-ID: <002801c0a85a$caec9840$1b07fea9@mgrinst>

HEllo everybody,

As such I am not a member of this group, But I am in need of one help about harddisk formatting. I had a graphic station based on 68032 multiprocessor system working with AT&T UNIX V/68 system. My harddisk of FUJITSU make Model: M2613S 80MB SCSI is failed. The model is not available. I want to connect any other SCSI drive. How to connect it. Can anybody help me. 

Praful
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar  9 00:39:20 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for linux-kernel archive mailing list maintainer
Message-ID: <20010309003920.C4828@real-time.com>

I am looking for a co-admin for the linux-kernel mailing list we host locally.
Duties are light, but I need some more eyes looking at it.

Like rejecting subscribe attempts. 
Make sure posts are being archived.
etc..


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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Fri Mar  9 06:51:19 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [CLOG] SuSE serial/com issue
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5070D@mail2.ROG.COM>

One thought I have is that the modem and the mouse are sharing the same IRQ.
Make sure that one device is connected to an even number serial port and the
other to an odd.  

There are 4 standard serial devices 1,2,3,and 4 .  1 and 3 share IRQ 4 and 2
and 4 share IRQ 3.  
If the devices are on the same irq, you will get funny results.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Karen K. Brostoski [mailto:maetkare@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:41 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE serial/com issue



I'm a newbie, Linux-wise. I've been working on SuSE 6.3 for a while now and
everything is great, it's a little bit of a learning curve, but I am having
'a lot of fun'. I just have one problem. Just one, or maybe you might call
it two...

There is a conflict between my (plain and generic) serial mouse and the
(Supra 56k) PCI modem. I can connect online just fine, but after a few
minutes, the speed stalls. If I jiggle the mouse... it speeds up again. When
I stop jiggling the mouse, it slowly goes down in speed, then stalls...
until I jiggle the mouse. :) Well, I opened a terminal and checked to see if
there is a conflict. I can see on boot that they are sharing an IRQ. I went
into the BIOS and tried switching the IRQs... didn't work. I just switched
them, then I tried using the IRQ10, since it was the only other option. The
mouse didn't even work then. I know I could give more details, but I don't
want to spam and am not sure what might be needed to troubleshoot this. I
remember trying 'setserial' last year for this problem, but it didn't fix
it. However, I don't remember exactly what I typed in, since it's been a
year since I tried that one. I'm not Linux-savvy enough for all this yet.
So...
SuSE 6.3, sharing a computer (P133, 6GB drive) with Win98. No problems with
anything but this modem/mouse issue. Win98 can connect online with no such
conflict, but I'd much rather use Linux! Help/Advice... is welcome!

PS: I moved to Minneapolis several months ago. I was directed to your
mailing list by a nice man I met at Barnes & Noble last night, in the
computer book section. So, if he's reading this: Thanks!

- Karen

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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Mar  9 07:09:06 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless client loading
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103081526010.15978-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AA8D5F2.AA299B7E@fandre.com>

Nate Carlson wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> > Anyone have experience booting diskless clients? I'm actual get it to
> > boot the kernel and it says it mounts the filesystem, but complains it
> > can't load init. I've tried /bin/sh with no luck. The server logs say
> > the client mounts the nfsroot just fine, but it still can't load init.
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Useing PXELinux, right?
> 
> You have /dev/ in your nfs root, right?
> 
> doing something like this in the pxelinux.cfg/ipaddr file, right?
> 
> DEFAULT kernel
> APPEND root=/dev/nfs rw nfsroot=ip.of.nfs.srv:/path/to/mount:ip=<localip>:<nfsip>:<defroute>:<subnetmask>:hostname
> DISPLAY message.txt
> PROMPT 1
> TIMEOUT 50
> 

I found out some more details. It's a ThinkNIC that they're trying to
network boot. What exactly is PXELinux? We created a custom kernel and
ROOT-NFS dir structure. We're using bpbatch to load the kernel. We have
the entire filesystem created under /tftpboot. What does the display
option do?

From jasonj at talkware.net  Fri Mar  9 07:34:24 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
References: <20010308150009.A1069@vm-lvm> <00a901c0a819$fee8eae0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010308163308.A1416@vm-lvm> <001f01c0a833$59f4d570$0100a8c0@cascade>
Message-ID: <3AA8DBE0.97F1E296@talkware.net>

I have been using the following method for securing connections from client to
database

Client Web Server Side:
box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306

Server MySQL Side:
box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306
/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1

If you start mysql only on the 'lo' interface then the only way to talk to it
is with a stunnel connection from the ethX to lo, protecting mysql to only
talking ssl. Otherwise you will have to change the ports.

Then have your database interactions go to 127.0.0.1:3306.


Hope this helps.




"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:

> Did you try telnet to it.  Maybe it is from MySQL permissions?
>
> Also, try localhost instead of hermes.
>
> ssh -L 13306:localhost:3306 bender.sistina.com
> mysql -h localhost -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:51:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> >I may miss what you are doing (I use the SSH2 client from ssh.com).
> >
> >But I think you want:
> >
> >ssh -L 13306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
> >mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
>
> I did this exactly as above and still get ERROR 2203: Coan't connect to
> MySQL
> server on 'hermes.sistina.com' (111)
>
> Also when I do it this way with (for example) ftp ports I can't connect at
> all. I am pretty sure the first part is
> localport:remotehost:remoteport
>
> >
> >Is there any reason you can't just use 3306 on hermes as well?  So ...
> >
> >ssh -L 3306:hermes.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com
> >mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
> >
> >
> >Tom Veldhouse
> >veldy@veldy.net
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@sistina.com>
> >To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:00 PM
> >Subject: [TCLUG] tuneling mysql though ssh
> >
> >Hi all, we wanna secure the way our webserver talks to our database. We'd
> >like
> >for all mysql work to be done though an ssh tunnel. I found very little
> >documentaion on this save a few mailing list posts. Essentially here's what
> >I
> >am doing.
> >
> >1.)in one terminal from hermes.sistina.com
> >ssh -L 13306:bender.sistina.com:3306 bender.sistina.com sleep 20
> >
> >2.) then from a nother shell on the same machine
> >mysql -h hermes.sistina.com -P 13306 -u$USERNAME --p$PASSWORD
> >
> >I have tried the tunnel with ftp, telnet, and I get my mail from my imap
> >server this way with fetchmail but for some reason I get
> >ERROR 2003: Can't connect to mysql server on 'hermes' (111)
> >
> >It's my understanding that with the ssh command above anything trying to
> >connect to port 13306 on the local machine is tranparently pushed though
> the
> >tunnel to the port on the other end (in this case 3306 the default mysql
> >port)
> >
> >When I do this with ftp, I can connect, login and all is well. But I get
> >illegal port command errors. My research has told me that wu-ftpd don't
> like
> >when you tunnel to it.
> >
> >Has anyone done this before? Is there a better way to secure database
> >transactions?
> >
> >
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  9 07:45:59 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for linux-kernel archive mailing list maintainer
In-Reply-To: <20010309003920.C4828@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200103091346.f29Dk0l12397@sprite.real-time.com>

On 09 Mar 2001 00:39:20 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> I am looking for a co-admin for the linux-kernel mailing list we host locally.
> Duties are light, but I need some more eyes looking at it.
> 

Is it a mailman list? If so, I'd be happy to help. I'd just tack it on
to my regular list of moderation duties.


> Like rejecting subscribe attempts. 
> Make sure posts are being archived.
> etc..
> 
> 
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar  9 09:50:12 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <saa8a76c.008@mdh-gw1>

You can find out easily by executing:

   which perl

at the command line.

If you are running Red Hat your Perl is probably /usr/bin/perl, but many programs (and I think the default install of Perl) choose /usr/local/bin/perl instead. If you would like to run those programs without modification you can make a symbolic link:

    ln -s /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/perl

as root.

Good luck,

Troy

>>> ksm@dogbrain.com 03/08/01 10:11PM >>>
Similar to what Yaron suggested, what is the first line of your
perl script?

It should be #!/usr/bin/perl or something very much like it. It
should point to where perl is installed on your system.

Regards

					- Karl

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:03:09PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> 
>    No, the program actually is a download from a site off slashdot. It is
> the mudshell program, if you are familiar with that, and I have only
> opened it up on the server. Thanks for trying though.

> > This is a long shot, but have you edited them on Windows? This happened
> > to us when my wife edited perl files on Windows, and a ^M got added to the
> > end of #! /usr/bin/perl.
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 10:15:45 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <saa8a76c.008@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091012400.2168-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


    Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 

   - Jme




On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Troy Johnson wrote:

> You can find out easily by executing:
> 
>    which perl
> 
> at the command line.
> 
> If you are running Red Hat your Perl is probably /usr/bin/perl, but many programs (and I think the default install of Perl) choose /usr/local/bin/perl instead. If you would like to run those programs without modification you can make a symbolic link:
> 
>     ln -s /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/perl
> 
> as root.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Troy
> 
> >>> ksm@dogbrain.com 03/08/01 10:11PM >>>
> Similar to what Yaron suggested, what is the first line of your
> perl script?
> 
> It should be #!/usr/bin/perl or something very much like it. It
> should point to where perl is installed on your system.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 					- Karl
> 
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:03:09PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >    No, the program actually is a download from a site off slashdot. It is
> > the mudshell program, if you are familiar with that, and I have only
> > opened it up on the server. Thanks for trying though.
> 
> > > This is a long shot, but have you edited them on Windows? This happened
> > > to us when my wife edited perl files on Windows, and a ^M got added to the
> > > end of #! /usr/bin/perl.
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 10:20:54 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091012400.2168-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600
References: <saa8a76c.008@mdh-gw1> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091012400.2168-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <20010309102054.A28173@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> 
>     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 

Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
get if you type "which perl"?

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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 10:33:52 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <010309103352.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

It seems more like the script is trying to access a file that isn't there after
you get it executing. Assuming you are giving it the correct path to the perl
executable, either the executable is looking for a piece it needs to run or the
script itself is looking for a file that doesn't exist. What's the script
supposed to do?

Or, along the lines others have come up with, is the perl executable it's
trying to execute a hanging symlink?

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 10:37:38 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <20010309102054.A28173@pchelka.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091035050.2311-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


   When I type /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME  

   - the program runs fine.


    and when I type which perl, I get:

[jamie@floyd jamie]$ which perl
/usr/bin/perl
[jamie@floyd jamie]$ 


    BTW, the script is set chmod 777 as well.

   - Jme







On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jim Crumley wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> > work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> > and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> > beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> > to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 
> 
> Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
> get if you type "which perl"?
> 
> 

-- 
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hurry." --Ralph



From sos at zjod.net  Fri Mar  9 10:40:59 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091035050.2311-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net> from "Jamie Ostrowski" at Mar 09, 2001 10:37:38 AM
Message-ID: <200103091640.KAA10570@zjod.net>

Dumb question, but is /usr/bin/perl listed in /etc/shells? 

Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>    When I type /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME  
> 
>    - the program runs fine.
> 
> 
>     and when I type which perl, I get:
> 
> [jamie@floyd jamie]$ which perl
> /usr/bin/perl
> [jamie@floyd jamie]$ 
> 
> 
>     BTW, the script is set chmod 777 as well.
> 
>    - Jme
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jim Crumley wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> > > work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> > > and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> > > beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> > > to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 
> > 
> > Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
> > get if you type "which perl"?
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> hurry." --Ralph
> 
> 
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 10:47:53 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <200103091640.KAA10570@zjod.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091047320.2401-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote:

> 
> Dumb question, but is /usr/bin/perl listed in /etc/shells? 


    No, it is not. Should it be?

    - Jme




> 
> Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    When I type /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME  
> > 
> >    - the program runs fine.
> > 
> > 
> >     and when I type which perl, I get:
> > 
> > [jamie@floyd jamie]$ which perl
> > /usr/bin/perl
> > [jamie@floyd jamie]$ 
> > 
> > 
> >     BTW, the script is set chmod 777 as well.
> > 
> >    - Jme
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jim Crumley wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> > > > work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> > > > and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> > > > beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> > > > to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 
> > > 
> > > Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
> > > get if you type "which perl"?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
> > hurry." --Ralph
> > 
> > 
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> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 10:46:30 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <010309103352.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091042170.2401-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>



On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:

> Hi
> 
> It seems more like the script is trying to access a file that isn't there after
> you get it executing. Assuming you are giving it the correct path to the perl
> executable, either the executable is looking for a piece it needs to run or the
> script itself is looking for a file that doesn't exist. What's the script
> supposed to do?
> 
> Or, along the lines others have come up with, is the perl executable it's
> trying to execute a hanging symlink?

Hello,

     No, I checked , and that is the actual binary itself, ie
/usr/bin/perl. I think you might be onto something though. Perhaps the
actual script is what is not able to find a particular file. That would
explain why some scripts are working fine and others are not. One question
though, if it is a problem with file access within the script, why would
it then work if I run it from the command line prepended with 'perl' and
not just when I type in the path to the script from the command line when
I execute it? Why, if it is a problem with the script, would it work one
way and not the other?




   - Jamie









> 
> Ed Hoeffner
> 1-271 BSBE
> 312 Church St. SE
> Mpls, MN 55455
> hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
> 612-625-2115
> 612-625-2163 fax
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar  9 10:47:15 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <saa8b4c2.074@mdh-gw1>

What is the first line of the script?

If it isn't there already, perhaps you can add the -w switch and get more info from the script (or add it on the command line 'perl -w SCRIPTNAME').

If all else fails you could use the debug switch (-d)...

>>> jamie@getsetnet.net 03/09/01 10:37AM >>>


   When I type /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME  

   - the program runs fine.


    and when I type which perl, I get:

[jamie@floyd jamie]$ which perl
/usr/bin/perl
[jamie@floyd jamie]$ 


    BTW, the script is set chmod 777 as well.

   - Jme







On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jim Crumley wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> > work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> > and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> > beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> > to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 
> 
> Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
> get if you type "which perl"?
> 
> 

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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 10:50:54 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <010309105054.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Yup, I agree. I wrote that before I saw the rest of the posts with all the
tries that pretty much rule out what I was getting at.

Ed

From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Mar  9 10:58:54 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless client loading
In-Reply-To: <3AA8D5F2.AA299B7E@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103091054240.14560-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:
> I found out some more details. It's a ThinkNIC that they're trying to
> network boot. What exactly is PXELinux? We created a custom kernel and
> ROOT-NFS dir structure. We're using bpbatch to load the kernel. We have
> the entire filesystem created under /tftpboot. What does the display
> option do?

pxelinux == linux program to support machines with Intel PXE network cards
(which the ThinkNIC has; that config file was actually one I use to boot a
ThinkNIC.)

You can drop the display statement; that just displays the contents of the
.txt file on the person's screen before booting.

Why are you creating the entire filesystem under /tftpboot? This is how I
have it set up:

$ ls -al /tftpboot /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg
drwxr-xr-x   3 nobody   nobody       4096 Feb 15 17:30 .
drwxr-xr-x  25 root     root         4096 Jun 15  2000 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 nobody   nobody     680785 Feb 15 17:30 /tftpboot/kernel
-rw-r--r--   1 nobody   nobody       7372 Nov 22 14:20 /tftpboot/pxelinux.bin

/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg:
-rwxr-xr-x   1 nobody   nobody        201 Feb 15 14:17 C0A8FC37
-rwxr-xr-x   1 nobody   nobody        662 Nov 22 14:03 message.txt
-rwxr-xr-x   1 nobody   nobody        147 Nov 22 15:53 default

/etc/dhcpd.conf contains:

allow booting;
allow bootp;

filename "/tftpboot/pxelinux.bin";
option dhcp-class-identifier "PXEClient";
option vendor-encapsulated-options
09:0f:80:00:0c:4e:65:74:77:6f:72:6b:20:62:6f:
6f:74:0a:07:00:50:72:6f:6d:70:74:06:01:02:08:03:80:00:00:47:04:80:00:00:00:ff;
next-server <server_with_/tftpboot>;

host nic {
        hardware ethernet 00:e0:06:e7:dc:59;
        fixed-address 192.168.252.55;
}

when you power on the client, this gives it the ip 192.168.252.55, tells
it to grab /tftpboot/pxelinux.bin and execute it. pxelinux.bin looks for
the config file, downloads it, and follows it.

-- 
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 11:00:07 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
Message-ID: <010309110007.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Another try. What happens if you do the absolute pathname to the file you're
trying to execute (ie: /usr/people/jme/prog101)?

Ed

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Fri Mar  9 11:11:04 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <010309110007.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
References: <010309110007.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <01030911110405.07608@dedannshae.ssbs.com>

Jamie, could you just post your script to the list? If it is really 
big, maybe just the first ten or twenty lines. This might make it 
easier for us to help you troubleshoot.

Dave

On Friday 09 March 2001 11:00, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> Another try. What happens if you do the absolute pathname to the file
> you're trying to execute (ie: /usr/people/jme/prog101)?
>
> Ed
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 11:44:58 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
Message-ID: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Weird hardware type question. We bought 3 Dell machines with winders on them
and then installed RH6.2 about 3/4 year ago. A couple of months ago some people
started complaining about a high pitched whistle/whine/not sure how to describe
it coming from one of them in Linux. Then, I couldn't hear it, but this last
week or so I can (it's pretty loud and quite annoying). It only happens on this
one machine and only when it kicks into graphics mode. It doesn't do it in
windows at all. The other machines don't do it either. I had someone else
install RH on these machines, but they should all have the same driver.

Is there anything I can do about this? Since it's only in RH, which Dell
refused to install, it would seem I'm SOL when it comes to turning to them.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Mar  9 11:52:46 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
In-Reply-To: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:44:58AM -0600
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010309115246.C5872@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:44:58AM -0600, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> Weird hardware type question. We bought 3 Dell machines with winders on them
> and then installed RH6.2 about 3/4 year ago. A couple of months ago some people
> started complaining about a high pitched whistle/whine/not sure how to describe
> it coming from one of them in Linux. Then, I couldn't hear it, but this last
> week or so I can (it's pretty loud and quite annoying). It only happens on this
> one machine and only when it kicks into graphics mode. It doesn't do it in
> windows at all. The other machines don't do it either.

If it's not doing it in Windows, it _could_ just be that linux is using a
different graphics mode than Windows.

However...

Given that this has just started recently and is getting worse, I'm inclined
to suspect that the monitor's flyback transformer may be going bad.  Doubly
so if the other monitors are the same model and, with identical RH installs,
they're not making the same noise.

If you don't have one already, I'd suggest at least getting your hands on a
spare monitor in case the noisy one fails.

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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  9 11:54:43 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA918E3.586B54C8@structural-wood.com>

HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Weird hardware type question. We bought 3 Dell machines with winders on them
> and then installed RH6.2 about 3/4 year ago. A couple of months ago some people
> started complaining about a high pitched whistle/whine/not sure how to describe
> it coming from one of them in Linux. Then, I couldn't hear it, but this last
> week or so I can (it's pretty loud and quite annoying). It only happens on this
> one machine and only when it kicks into graphics mode. It doesn't do it in
> windows at all. The other machines don't do it either. I had someone else
> install RH on these machines, but they should all have the same driver.
> 
> Is there anything I can do about this? Since it's only in RH, which Dell
> refused to install, it would seem I'm SOL when it comes to turning to them.
> 
> Any advice appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
A high pitched whine in a monitor is almost always a capacitor pushed past
it's current design limits (capacitors seem to degrade with age).  My guess 
is that linux is running the monitor at a higher refresh rate.  You can
confirm this if your monitor has an on screen display that reports 
refresh rates.

If this is the case, you can modify or insert (or uncomment) a modeline in 
XF86Config that has a lower refresh rate.

As a reality check, you could press [ctrl][alt]+ or [ctrl][alt]-.  If your
XF86Config has multiple resolutions enabled, your screen resolution will change
when you press those key combinations.  My guess is the whine will get worse
or better.

From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  9 11:59:56 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com>

I'm trying to get people to stop sending their proprietary windows 
format files to me, and I want to be able to give them an alternative
they can understand.

Is there an easy (remember, they're windows users) way to generate PDF
files from Excel or Word.  If there is, how do you do it, and what
version of Excel or Word does the procedure apply to.

Failing that, can RTF handle a spreadsheet or embedded pictures?

I can't believe that I am still fighting proprietary document formats 
20 years after I started in this business.

Kent

From jasonj at talkware.net  Fri Mar  9 12:09:13 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3AA91C49.B950863C@talkware.net>

If they have Acrobat Writer installed there is an option to make a PDF
Writer Printer. Then from whatever program your in you can just choose
print and then choose the PDF Writer Printer and it generates a pdf file.




Kent Schumacher wrote:

> I'm trying to get people to stop sending their proprietary windows
> format files to me, and I want to be able to give them an alternative
> they can understand.
>
> Is there an easy (remember, they're windows users) way to generate PDF
> files from Excel or Word.  If there is, how do you do it, and what
> version of Excel or Word does the procedure apply to.
>
> Failing that, can RTF handle a spreadsheet or embedded pictures?
>
> I can't believe that I am still fighting proprietary document formats
> 20 years after I started in this business.
>
> Kent
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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  9 12:20:18 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3AA918E3.586B54C8@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3AA91EE2.194DCA7C@structural-wood.com>

Kent Schumacher wrote:
> 
> HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Weird hardware type question. We bought 3 Dell machines with winders on them
> > and then installed RH6.2 about 3/4 year ago. A couple of months ago some people
> > started complaining about a high pitched whistle/whine/not sure how to describe
> > it coming from one of them in Linux. Then, I couldn't hear it, but this last
> > week or so I can (it's pretty loud and quite annoying). It only happens on this
> > one machine and only when it kicks into graphics mode. It doesn't do it in
> > windows at all. The other machines don't do it either. I had someone else
> > install RH on these machines, but they should all have the same driver.
> >
> > Is there anything I can do about this? Since it's only in RH, which Dell
> > refused to install, it would seem I'm SOL when it comes to turning to them.
> >
> > Any advice appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> A high pitched whine in a monitor is almost always a capacitor pushed past
> it's current design limits (capacitors seem to degrade with age).  My guess
> is that linux is running the monitor at a higher refresh rate.  You can
> confirm this if your monitor has an on screen display that reports
> refresh rates.
> 
> If this is the case, you can modify or insert (or uncomment) a modeline in
> XF86Config that has a lower refresh rate.
> 
> As a reality check, you could press [ctrl][alt]+ or [ctrl][alt]-.  If your
> XF86Config has multiple resolutions enabled, your screen resolution will change
> when you press those key combinations.  My guess is the whine will get worse
> or better.

I just read Dave Sherohman's post, and I think his guess about the flyback transformer
is more likely than mine.

Kent

From destef at destef.com  Fri Mar  9 12:27:30 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>

The catch to PDF's are that its free to view them (free reader)
but you must purchase the writer which is where they make their
money. Not sure if anyone's reverse engineered it and wrote up
a simple writer or not.


On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote:

> I'm trying to get people to stop sending their proprietary windows
> format files to me, and I want to be able to give them an alternative
> they can understand.
>
> Is there an easy (remember, they're windows users) way to generate PDF
> files from Excel or Word.  If there is, how do you do it, and what
> version of Excel or Word does the procedure apply to.
>
> Failing that, can RTF handle a spreadsheet or embedded pictures?
>
> I can't believe that I am still fighting proprietary document formats
> 20 years after I started in this business.
>
> Kent
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From blayer at qwest.net  Fri Mar  9 18:30:08 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ext2 corruption in 2.4.X ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>
Message-ID: <01030918300800.00604@Homer>

Rumors are flying all over IRC today that there is some grave bug in 2.4.0 & 
2.4.1 that cause ext2 filesystems to become corrupt. Anyone have the full 
story on this?

Is it a rumor?

-- 


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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar  9 12:58:55 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>
Message-ID: <3AA927EF.95768006@structural-wood.com>

Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> The catch to PDF's are that its free to view them (free reader)
> but you must purchase the writer which is where they make their
> money. Not sure if anyone's reverse engineered it and wrote up
> a simple writer or not.
> 
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to get people to stop sending their proprietary windows
> > format files to me, and I want to be able to give them an alternative
> > they can understand.
> >
> > Is there an easy (remember, they're windows users) way to generate PDF
> > files from Excel or Word.  If there is, how do you do it, and what
> > version of Excel or Word does the procedure apply to.
> >
> > Failing that, can RTF handle a spreadsheet or embedded pictures?
> >
> > I can't believe that I am still fighting proprietary document formats
> > 20 years after I started in this business.
> >
> > Kent
>

I just wrote a pdf under linux using gs -sDEVICE=pdfwrite.  Worked like a charm.
The last time I used Wordperfect I believe it also had the ability to generate
PDF's.

From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar  9 13:14:13 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com> <3AA927EF.95768006@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3AA92B84.D8202B1E@mninter.net>

What about using rtf's for text and maybe using comma delimited for spreadsheets?
Of course with the spreadsheets, you won't be able to do the formulas I believe.
But if you're using StarOffice you can see the excel spreadsheets.  There's a
spreadsheet viewer as well by default on the Slack installs.


Not much for PDF's, but another alternative.


Shawn


From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar  9 13:15:32 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] install problem
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103091309030.27631-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I'm trying to put Debian on my new Compaq DL380, but I'm running into
trouble with the disk controller. First, I had to build a custom kernel to
replace the one on the Deiban boot floppy. That wasn't hard. The error is
that the Debian installer can't find a hard disk. Looking at dmesg shows
that the RAID controller is detected, but it also shows 0 SCSI hosts
detected.

Part of the problem is that I can't figure out exactly which SCSI controller
this beast uses. It's either Adaptec or Symbios. Can you simply compile
support for multiple controllers into the kernel and hope that it will
figure which one to load on its own? (For simplicity, I'm not using any
kernel modules for this.)

A RedHat 6.2 floppy seemed to work fine (I didn't go very far into the
install), but I couldn't tell from that which SCSI driver it was using. Any
hints on how to figure it out? <rant>Why can't the stupid RedHat installer
give you the option of opening a straight shell?</rant>

On a lark, I tried putting the RedHat kernel on the Debian disk, but it
didn't work. I got some keyboard error.

Anybody have a suggestion about how to proceed?

-Tim

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar  9 13:16:07 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>
Message-ID: <3AA92BF7.4DA806EA@ltiflex.com>

Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> The catch to PDF's are that its free to view them (free reader)
> but you must purchase the writer which is where they make their
> money. Not sure if anyone's reverse engineered it and wrote up
> a simple writer or not.
>

Sure they have. Grab the latest PS drivers from Adobe.com, install, and
setup as print to file. Just e-mail the results around. (mmm...post script.)
When you recive the ps file, view with ghostview or run ps2pdf. You can even
get GS utilities for Windows. 

The only easier way I can think of to do it with free software is set up a
printer shared by samba that instead of printing, spits out a pdf file in
the users home share (or e-mails it to them.) 

Beyond that, you'll have to get Acrobat Writer. 

PS is kinda nifty for sending documents around (At least in the UNIX world).
Using zip, gzip, or bzip2 on it before sending it probally a good idea
though.

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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar  9 13:59:14 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] install problem
Message-ID: <saa8e1c7.051@mdh-gw1>

I thought they had one running on vt4 (alt-F4) during the install, but it has been a while.

>>> wilson@visi.com 03/09/01 01:15PM >>>
<rant>Why can't the stupid RedHat installer
give you the option of opening a straight shell?</rant>



From jim at bleedpurple.com  Fri Mar  9 14:58:27 2001
From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting
Message-ID: <20010309205827.84075.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com>

Had a great time last night - at my first TCLUG meeting.  Nice to meet some
people in person.  I look forward to learning from and - hopefully -
contributing to discussions in the future!

Later,

Jim Herrick

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bleedpurple.com - my site for die hard vikings fans
heybuildmysite.com - my business


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From atebbe at real-time.com  Fri Mar  9 15:20:59 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
Message-ID: <20010309152059.A11373@real-time.com>

Based on the survey we did not long ago, it looks like we will have enough
demand to support a mid-month TCLUG meeting.  So, we've scheduled the
first one to happen this month.  Here are the details:

Date:  Wed, 3/21
Time: 7-9pm
Topic: Linux for the IBM S/390 Mainframe
Presenter: Steven Logreira, IBM

Location:
University of Minnesota
1300 South 2nd Street
Room 140
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Parking: Top Level of the Ramp

For a map to this address go to:
http://www.tcnpa.homestead.com/

Hope to see you there...

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From straznp at frontiernet.net  Fri Mar  9 15:27:56 2001
From: straznp at frontiernet.net (Nathan Straz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ext2 corruption in 2.4.X ?
In-Reply-To: <01030918300800.00604@Homer>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:30:08PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com> <01030918300800.00604@Homer>
Message-ID: <20010309162756.A44700@frontiernet.net>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:30:08PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote:
> Rumors are flying all over IRC today that there is some grave bug in 2.4.0 & 
> 2.4.1 that cause ext2 filesystems to become corrupt. Anyone have the full 
> story on this?
> 
> Is it a rumor?

There has been a lot of talk on linux-kernel, but I haven't been reading 
that thread.  I would wait for Kernel Traffic to cover the threads if you
don't want to plow through the archives.  I think there might be some
specific hardware involved, but I'm not sure about that.

Nate

From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar  9 15:39:54 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <3AA92BF7.4DA806EA@ltiflex.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103091024320.14270-100000@theo.egoode.com>
	<3AA92BF7.4DA806EA@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <m266hiipud.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Andy Zbikowski <andyzb@ltiflex.com> writes:

> PS is kinda nifty for sending documents around (At least in the UNIX world).
> Using zip, gzip, or bzip2 on it before sending it probally a good idea
> though.

PS is really grotty for sending documents around.  I have to run huge,
fragile, utilities just to view or print it, either on windows or on
Linux.  And PS is essentially a write-only format (particularly as
most printer drivers produce it), so I can't *do* anything with a
document I get in ps except view or print it.  

I'd much rather get even Microsoft proprietary formats than PS (an
Adobe proprietary format, after all); there are more utilities that
can do more things with them.
-- 
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Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

From atebbe at real-time.com  Fri Mar  9 15:43:02 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20010309153103.A873@sistina.com>; from okeefe@sistina.com on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:31:03PM -0600
References: <20010309152059.A11373@real-time.com> <20010309153103.A873@sistina.com>
Message-ID: <20010309154302.C11373@real-time.com>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:31:03PM -0600, okeefe@sistina.com (okeefe@sistina.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:20:59PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
> > Based on the survey we did not long ago, it looks like we will have enough
> > demand to support a mid-month TCLUG meeting.  So, we've scheduled the
> > first one to happen this month.  Here are the details:
> > 
> > Date:  Wed, 3/21
> > Time: 7-9pm
> > Topic: Linux for the IBM S/390 Mainframe
> > Presenter: Steven Logreira, IBM
> > 
> >
> 
> Amy, what building is this on campus? 

No clue - Todd Gustafson arranged the location.  Todd?

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From atebbe at real-time.com  Fri Mar  9 15:40:53 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] 2nd Annual Twin Cities Linux Conference
Message-ID: <20010309154053.B11373@real-time.com>

Real Time is hosting another Linux Conference this year.  Details as follows:

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2001
Time: 8am - 5pm
Location: Radisson South in Bloomington, 7800 Normandale Blvd
Cost: FREE
Register Online: www.real-time.com

Agenda:

8am-8:30am - Registration, free donuts

8:30am-4pm - Linux Seminars
 - topics include general Linux information, security, network monitoring, 
smtp authentication, web development, databases and more.
 - Matt O'Keefe, Sistina Software, will guest speek on GFS

10:30am - 5pm - Exhibits/InfoCenter
 - Exhibitors: Archemedia, Corel, Real Time, Sistina Software, VA Linux, and
   VMWare
 - InfoCenter will have free literature and CDs from various Linux companies,
such as: Caldera, Eazel, Mandrake, Penguin Computing, OpenNMS, TurboLinux, and
more

10:30am - 5pm - TCLUG InstallFest
 - bring your computer to get help with installing Linux, or just stop by
to see everyone's cool themes.

Seating is limited - register online at www.real-time.com to reserve
your seat.

Hope to see you there...

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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 16:26:19 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <010309110007.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091625410.3146-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

   When I try the full path, I get the exact same error.

   - Jme



On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:

> Another try. What happens if you do the absolute pathname to the file you're
> trying to execute (ie: /usr/people/jme/prog101)?
> 
> Ed
> _______________________________________________
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> 

-- 
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hurry." --Ralph



From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 16:28:05 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <01030911110405.07608@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091626400.3146-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Sherman wrote:

> Jamie, could you just post your script to the list? If it is really 
> big, maybe just the first ten or twenty lines. This might make it 
> easier for us to help you troubleshoot.
> 
> Dave

    Here are the first 29 lines:



#!/usr/bin/perl


#MUD Shell
#(C)2001 Dean "Gandalf" Swift and Xirium
#
#20010209 Gandalf: idea taken from comments on SlashDot.Org
#20010210 Gandalf: start
#20010211 Gandalf: save
#20010212 Gandalf: save test
#20010213 Gandalf: save
#20010214 Gandalf: save test
#20010218 Gandalf: save

sub disp
 {
 $width="." x 72;
 $in=shift;
 if($in ne "")
  {
  print "\n";
  }
 while(length($in)>length($width))
  {
  if($in=~/^\n/)
   {
   $in=~s/^\n//;
   print("\n");
   }












> 
> On Friday 09 March 2001 11:00, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> > Another try. What happens if you do the absolute pathname to the file
> > you're trying to execute (ie: /usr/people/jme/prog101)?
> >
> > Ed
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 

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hurry." --Ralph



From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar  9 16:33:39 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
Message-ID: <saa905f6.083@mdh-gw1>

I think PDF is just as "grotty" for sending documents around, with the same liabilities you list for PS. I also think PS isn't as inflexible as you make it out to be, but I do have a problem with the quality of output that some utilities produce.

Most proprietary formats are pretty lame for a variety of reasons. Why don't we have a "universal document format" open standard at this time in our technological development? Is it really such a tech "hotbed" and advancing at too fast a rate?

>>> dd-b@dd-b.net 03/09/01 03:39PM >>>
PS is really grotty for sending documents around.  I have to run huge,
fragile, utilities just to view or print it, either on windows or on
Linux.  And PS is essentially a write-only format (particularly as
most printer drivers produce it), so I can't *do* anything with a
document I get in ps except view or print it.  

I'd much rather get even Microsoft proprietary formats than PS (an
Adobe proprietary format, after all); there are more utilities that
can do more things with them.



From drew at usfamily.net  Fri Mar  9 10:44:51 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103082153330.3705-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082201430.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net> <20010308221140.A7635@dogbrain.com>
Message-ID: <3AA90883.C0BF8C66@usfamily.net>

I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have transparent terminals
running, that you can see the back ground through. I just think that it's really
cool and I was wondering how I could get my redhat 7 to do the same thing?



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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar  9 16:43:54 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <saa8b4c2.074@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091641210.3353-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Troy Johnson wrote:

> What is the first line of the script?
> 
> If it isn't there already, perhaps you can add the -w switch and get more info from the script (or add it on the command line 'perl -w SCRIPTNAME').
> 
> If all else fails you could use the debug switch (-d)...


    This is strange. When I add the -w switch, the program runs! It
doesn't even send back any error messages. It just runs as it is supposed
to. Same with the debug switch. That did the trick. I wonder why it is
doing that? Thanks for the help!









> 
> >>> jamie@getsetnet.net 03/09/01 10:37AM >>>
> 
> 
>    When I type /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME  
> 
>    - the program runs fine.
> 
> 
>     and when I type which perl, I get:
> 
> [jamie@floyd jamie]$ which perl
> /usr/bin/perl
> [jamie@floyd jamie]$ 
> 
> 
>     BTW, the script is set chmod 777 as well.
> 
>    - Jme
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jim Crumley wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:15:45AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     Yeah I have tried all these things but unfortunately none of them
> > > work. I am a bit suspicious of one thing though. I am running Red Hat 6.2
> > > and I installed Mandrake RPM's for the latest version of perl. I am
> > > beginning to suspect there was something wrong with that. Maybe I needed
> > > to use RedHat RPM's instead, but I thought Mandrake would be compatible. 
> > 
> > Well, what happens if you do /usr/bin/perl SCRIPTNAME?  What do you
> > get if you type "which perl"?
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  9 16:51:14 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <3AA90883.C0BF8C66@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:44:51PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103082153330.3705-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103082201430.801-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net> <20010308221140.A7635@dogbrain.com> <3AA90883.C0BF8C66@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <20010309165114.B1378@vm-lvm>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:44:51PM +0000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
>I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have transparent terminals
>running, that you can see the back ground through. I just think that it's really
>cool and I was wondering how I could get my redhat 7 to do the same thing?

http://www.eterm.org/


>
>
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Fri Mar  9 17:07:18 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
Message-ID: <010309170718.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Thanks Dave and Kent for the info. I tried the Ctrl/Alt/{+,-} thing, and it did
have a slight effect, or at least I could convince myself that I heard
something of a difference.

I've also noticed that it doesn't start right away after the Linux login screen
comes, but takes a couple of minutes. Also, as soon as it kicks out of graphics
mode on reboot, the sound goes away (I can still hear it in my head --
Arrrggh).

Do you think this is a defective monitor or is it something I've done with the
driver, such as using the wrong one (and therefore the rest are working their
way to a problem also).

Thanks again

Ed

From sgrobe at mn.rr.com  Fri Mar  9 17:47:53 2001
From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <00037f1ba71282b6_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>

Word has the option to save docs as html (bad html) but I can't remember off 
hand what it does with pictures.  I would guess that is saves them seperately 
as jpgs (I hope it's not bmp).   Excel can save as tab or comma delimited 
text but you would lose all the formuli, but Star Office should read Excel 
files, well kinda.
(Pivot tables and the like may not work.)

To save as pdf in Winders you gotta pay for it and I doubt that anyone is 
going to spend $400 on Acrobat just so they can save stuff in a format you 
can read.  $200 for a horseshit OS and $400 for a crappy office app but 
that's what EVERYONE uses, right?

<RANT>
I went through this song and dance when the company I work for was trying to 
come up with a image format that everyone could read easily.  As much as I 
pissed and moaned they still decided to imbed images in a Word doc for 
distribution.  (I tried to tell them a jpg or png would be much more 
universal, then I got the blank stare????)

I even went to far as to set up an intranet for commonly used files, EMC test 
reports, phone lists, common web pages and even antivirus updates (I ended up 
having to use login scripts (NT) for antivirus updates, but then they piss 
and moan when their computer reboots even though the script warns them.) but 
I can't even get the hardware engineers to use the intranet, they still come 
to me for hardcopies or CDs for test reports.  Shit, click, open and print 
how hard is that?

If I ever get around to starting my own company all employees will have to 
use Linux, BSD, QNX or BeOS for a month as a desktop OS BEFORE they can get a 
machine loaded with Windows.  Just for email and internet use.  This is a 
sore spot for me too.  I have been dealing with this shit for 3 years since I 
started using alternate OS's at home for my personal use.
</RANT>

Sorry, I had a really bad day at work.  I can't remember the last time I 
wanted to just walk out the door, but today I thought about it for 7 of the 
10 hours I was there.  (I've been there 10 years in May.)

I think I am going to unplug the phone, grab a load o beer and watch The 
Matrix until I feel better.  ;-P
See you in a month.  :-)

SG, O.S.D.



>I'm trying to get people to stop sending their proprietary windows 
>format files to me, and I want to be able to give them an alternative
>they can understand.
>
>Is there an easy (remember, they're windows users) way to generate PDF
>files from Excel or Word.  If there is, how do you do it, and what
>version of Excel or Word does the procedure apply to.
>
>Failing that, can RTF handle a spreadsheet or embedded pictures?
>
>I can't believe that I am still fighting proprietary document formats 
>20 years after I started in this business.
>
>Kent
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From sgrobe at mn.rr.com  Fri Mar  9 18:57:37 2001
From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
References: <010309170718.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <00037f1ca06a2f21_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>

Sounds to me like the refresh rate my be set too high and the monitor is 
eating itself.  But I would think that a recent monitor would just reject a 
refresh rate that was set too high.  All my Sony and Hitachi monitors just 
refuse to run at a refresh rate that is not supported.

Both flyback transformers and caps will discolor when abused, this is visable 
if you open the case.  Caps are easy if they are not too burned, you can 
order a new one through digikey, if you can read the specs.
In the case of a fried flyback I always just replaced the HV card in the 
monitor.   The flyback will often have a needle sized hole burned in the 
casing.   You can both smell and hear this , it smells like a thunderstorm 
and sounds like a car with a pinhole leak somewhere in the catalytic 
converter, much like pushing air through your teeth.

If you decide to swap the HV card on your own be careful to discharge the 
tube before you try to disconnect it, two screwdrivers work well for this.  
One the is inserted into the hole in the back of the tube and one that is 
slid down the first and makes contact with the back of the tube, you will get 
a nice blue arc about 1/4 inch long.  Do that a couple of times before 
attempting to disconnect the card from the tube, the connection will often 
look like a suction cup with two prongs in it.  If you don't do this it you 
will probably not die but you will jump higher and faster than you ever have.  
(50KV will do that)  The couple of times I didn't fully discharge a tube 
before trying to change out a HV card I lost the feeling in a couple of 
fingers for a week or so, it burns a really neat hole in your finger as you 
jump straight up nearly 3 feet.   Interesting to say the least.

You are better off just tossing the old monitor and buying a new one.

SG, O.S.D.


>
>Hi
>
>Thanks Dave and Kent for the info. I tried the Ctrl/Alt/{+,-} thing, and it 
>did
>have a slight effect, or at least I could convince myself that I heard
>something of a difference.
>
>I've also noticed that it doesn't start right away after the Linux login 
>screen
>comes, but takes a couple of minutes. Also, as soon as it kicks out of 
>graphics
>mode on reboot, the sound goes away (I can still hear it in my head --
>Arrrggh).
>
>Do you think this is a defective monitor or is it something I've done with 
>the
>driver, such as using the wrong one (and therefore the rest are working 
their
>way to a problem also).
>
>Thanks again
>
>Ed
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From heilja at dbsource.com  Fri Mar  9 19:33:33 2001
From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
Message-ID: <20010309193333.C25197@master.dbsource.com>

Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?


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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  9 21:48:27 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *sigh*
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103092147530.21377-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Ok, so what's the latest SuSE version? Is this evaluation ver I see ok?


-Yaron

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar  9 22:53:13 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095D2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> http://www.eterm.org/

No!  Use Aterm, http://aterm.sourceforge.net/, it's based on rxvt and uses
much less memory.  Back when I used Eterm, each one was taking about 3MB of
memory.  Aterm takes about 1.6 and works the same.  Install aterm and just
add these lines or something similar to you .Xdefaults file:

aterm*visualBell: false
aterm*font:     fixed
aterm*transparent:      true
aterm*shading:  50
aterm*background:       black
aterm*foreground:       white

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:44:51PM +0000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> >I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have 
> transparent terminals
> >running, that you can see the back ground through. I just 
> think that it's really
> >cool and I was wondering how I could get my redhat 7 to do 
> the same thing?
> 
> http://www.eterm.org/
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From 
> $8.99/mo! ------
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
> Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> 
> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once 
> sprained her wrist
> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> 

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 22:58:13 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware custom boot disk
In-Reply-To: <200103092213.f29MDPl27814@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010310045813.61032.qmail@web10110.mail.yahoo.com>

ok, so i made a new slackware boot disk, 
it boots fine, all partitions detected, YAY, asks me
for a rootdisk
and here is what i get:
"RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
autodetecting RAID arrays
autorun...
... autorun DONE.
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00"

do you guys know what that means and how do i get
around it?

 -munir

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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  9 23:12:40 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <3AA90883.C0BF8C66@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:

> I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have transparent
> terminals running, that you can see the back ground through. I just
> think that it's really cool and I was wondering how I could get my
> redhat 7 to do the same thing?

gnome-terminal will do it... look in the preferences.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar  9 23:23:14 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095D2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103092321490.21426-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> > http://www.eterm.org/
> No!  Use Aterm, http://aterm.sourceforge.net/,

YES! That's why I dumped Mandrake - aterm wouldn't run right on it and I
was too tired to mess around with it. Also, Eterm ran fine from
commandline but wrong from .xinitrc.

-Yaron

--


From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar  9 23:27:58 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <00037f1ba71282b6_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:47:53PM -0600
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com> <00037f1ba71282b6_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010309232758.A380@vm-lvm>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:47:53PM -0600, Steve Grobe wrote:
>distribution.  (I tried to tell them a jpg or png would be much more 
>universal, then I got the blank stare????)

Now that's counterproductive.

>I can't even get the hardware engineers to use the intranet, they still come 
>to me for hardcopies or CDs for test reports.  Shit, click, open and print 
>how hard is that?

hehe, damn some people are hard headed.


>If I ever get around to starting my own company all employees will have to 
>use Linux, BSD, QNX or BeOS for a month as a desktop OS BEFORE they can get a 
>machine loaded with Windows.  Just for email and internet use.  This is a 
>sore spot for me too.  I have been dealing with this shit for 3 years since I 
>started using alternate OS's at home for my personal use.
></RANT>

I used to feel this way. Then after careful thought and alot of answering of
simple questions repeatedly, I decided this.

Most people just use computers to get work done and are not interested in
learning more. In this way, it's nearly impossible to teach them the little
things that makes linux really usable for the casual user. Little things like
mounting a fs before use (yeah I know the new environs will do this, but it's
an example), formatting a floppy, using ftp | scp to move file between
machines, using lpr to print, setting mime-types for "file associations",
installing netscape plugins the list goes on and on. I for one don't have the
time to hold each users hand for 6 months to get them proficient and the
bottom line is, they are at work to be productive and if goddamn microsnot
access is easier for them to be productive that makes it better for my
company.

I'm all for expanding peoples horizons and helping them learn new things. But
not all users care. They are quite content (read: complacent) with M$ apps and
don't see a reason to change.

There are people I work with who use computers all day long, and while thier
quite intelligent will NEVER EVER get linux. Why? cause they aren't
interested, they see no need. It's not a priority. 

Is this a bad thing? No. Whatever they need to use to be the most productive
at sistina, they should use. Sure, they're entering data into a postgresq data
base on one of my servers using microsoft access. Who cares. The essential
boxes are sporting linux, and all the hackers use it. But the accountants, and
administrative people don't have the time or the will.


>Sorry, I had a really bad day at work.  I can't remember the last time I 
>wanted to just walk out the door, but today I thought about it for 7 of the 
>10 hours I was there.  (I've been there 10 years in May.)

I feel your pain. Got room for another person, I'll bring my own scotch :-)

Just my 802 cents :-)
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Fri Mar  9 23:33:19 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <saa905f6.083@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092331140.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Troy Johnson wrote:

> Most proprietary formats are pretty lame for a variety of reasons. Why
> don't we have a "universal document format" open standard at this time
> in our technological development? Is it really such a tech "hotbed"
> and advancing at too fast a rate?

So why are we sitting around bitching instead of designing an open,
universal format that can kick Adobe's proprietary butt? I don't think
such a project would be beyond our collective knowledge. New TCLUG open
source development project, anyone? :)

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Mar 10 02:09:19 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] install problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103091309030.27631-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:15:32PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103091309030.27631-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010310020919.A11393@wookimus.net>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:15:32PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Part of the problem is that I can't figure out exactly which SCSI
> controller this beast uses. It's either Adaptec or Symbios. Can you
> simply compile support for multiple controllers into the kernel and
> hope that it will figure which one to load on its own? (For
> simplicity, I'm not using any kernel modules for this.)

Yes.

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From dmonie at futurestat.com  Sat Mar 10 03:21:20 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010310025728.009e4460@pop.goldengate.net>

I'm partitioning my new Deskstar HDD (45 GB) to support a dual Win/Lin 
boot. From recent comments, I take that I should install Windows first and 
then Linux.

Should I use the Win98 partitioning utility (or DOS Fdisk) to layout my 
drive, install Win98 in the bootable partition (10 GB), and transfer my 
existing files to the extended (logical) partition (15 GB); then come in 
with RedHat's DiskDruid (or Linux Fdisk) to partition the remaining chunk 
(20 GB) for Linux (/root, /home, /dev, etc.), install RedHat, and set the 
MBR for a dual boot? What role if any does IBM's Disk Manager (for 
installation) play in this? Can I alter my Linux partitions later easily 
without 'shattering' Windows? (Whoa... that was a mouthful :o)

Also, has the RedHat disc 1 iso been fixed on the TCLUG FTP server?


- Dileep

rants: Why does the occasional list digest have a light blue background?
Should I feel bad about using IBM products in light of the recent holocaust 
allegations?


From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Mar 10 07:54:01 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: 
	<7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095D2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <200103101354.f2ADs3l13096@sprite.real-time.com>

On 09 Mar 2001 22:53:13 -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > http://www.eterm.org/
> 
> No!  Use Aterm, http://aterm.sourceforge.net/, it's based on rxvt and uses
> much less memory.  Back when I used Eterm, each one was taking about 3MB of
> memory.  Aterm takes about 1.6 and works the same.  Install aterm and just
> add these lines or something similar to you .Xdefaults file:
> 

It does not work the same. aterm is broken as hell. Move a transparent
aterma cross your desktop and stop. See the text all disappear? Now move
another window over it and magically the text reappears. It doesn't
redraw it's stuff like it's supposed to. And for this aterm sucks rocks.


> aterm*visualBell: false
> aterm*font:     fixed
> aterm*transparent:      true
> aterm*shading:  50
> aterm*background:       black
> aterm*foreground:       white
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:51 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:44:51PM +0000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> > >I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have 
> > transparent terminals
> > >running, that you can see the back ground through. I just 
> > think that it's really
> > >cool and I was wondering how I could get my redhat 7 to do 
> > the same thing?
> > 
> > http://www.eterm.org/
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From 
> > $8.99/mo! ------
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ben Lutgens         cell: 612.670.4789
> > Sistina Software Inc.       worl: 612.379.3951
> > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> > 
> > "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once 
> > sprained her wrist
> > from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Mar 10 07:55:37 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com>

On 09 Mar 2001 23:12:40 -0600, Kevin R. Bullock wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> 
> > I've seen many people who are running gnome and they have transparent
> > terminals running, that you can see the back ground through. I just
> > think that it's really cool and I was wondering how I could get my
> > redhat 7 to do the same thing?

gnome-terminal (musch like konsole) will only use the fonts you can
choose from a menu. Meaning you are screwed if you wanted to use a vga
capable font. Other than this, I really like konsole and powershell.


> 
> gnome-terminal will do it... look in the preferences.
> 
> Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
> Kevin R. Bullock
> 
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From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar  8 15:13:47 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware custom boot disk
References: <20010310045813.61032.qmail@web10110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7F60B.C1718677@qwest.net>

Munir Nassar wrote:

> "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
> autodetecting RAID arrays
> autorun...
> ... autorun DONE.
> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00"

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Sat Mar 10 11:24:36 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] starting perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091626400.3146-100000@floyd.getsetnet.ne
 t>
References: <01030911110405.07608@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010310112031.00a72d90@pop.mpls.uswest.net>

Uh.... Sorry, bad idea. After reading some of the other posts, it would 
seem that the script itself is probably not the issue. Just ignore me....

Dave

At 04:28 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Sherman wrote:
>
> > Jamie, could you just post your script to the list? If it is really
> > big, maybe just the first ten or twenty lines. This might make it
> > easier for us to help you troubleshoot.
> >
> > Dave
>
>     Here are the first 29 lines:
>
>
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
>
>
>#MUD Shell
>#(C)2001 Dean "Gandalf" Swift and Xirium
>#
>#20010209 Gandalf: idea taken from comments on SlashDot.Org
>#20010210 Gandalf: start
>#20010211 Gandalf: save
>#20010212 Gandalf: save test
>#20010213 Gandalf: save
>#20010214 Gandalf: save test
>#20010218 Gandalf: save
>
>sub disp
>  {
>  $width="." x 72;
>  $in=shift;
>  if($in ne "")
>   {
>   print "\n";
>   }
>  while(length($in)>length($width))
>   {
>   if($in=~/^\n/)
>    {
>    $in=~s/^\n//;
>    print("\n");
>    }
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Friday 09 March 2001 11:00, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:
> > > Another try. What happens if you do the absolute pathname to the file
> > > you're trying to execute (ie: /usr/people/jme/prog101)?
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
>--
>   "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a
>hurry." --Ralph
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

01000001 00001010 01100001 01101100 01101111 01100111   01101001 
01110011   01100100 01100101 01100001 01100100   01001110 01101111 01101110 
01100111   01101100 01101001 01110110 01100101   01100100 01101001 01100111 
01101001 01110100 01100001 01101100
(Go figure it out.)


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar 10 09:50:57 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <200103101354.f2ADs3l13096@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103100948560.21426-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On 10 Mar 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote:

> It does not work the same. aterm is broken as hell. Move a transparent
> aterma cross your desktop and stop.

Ok.

> See the text all disappear?

No... it's all still there.

> Now move another window over it and magically the text reappears.

I... really dont know what you're on about, Ben (: aterm USED to do some
weird crap back in the pre-3.x versions, But 4.0 works just fine. In fact
t was Eterm that was really jarry and bouncy when I moved a transparent
one...

-Yaron

--


From foeclan at winternet.com  Sat Mar 10 10:14:19 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <200103101354.f2ADs3l13096@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103101010520.8692-100000@parka.winternet.com>

> 
> It does not work the same. aterm is broken as hell. Move a transparent
> aterma cross your desktop and stop. See the text all disappear? Now move
> another window over it and magically the text reappears. It doesn't
> redraw it's stuff like it's supposed to. And for this aterm sucks rocks.
> 
> 
Err... not on mine (but I'm actually running AfterStep, and compiled my
own, so I dunno if that has an effect).  Works fine for me, my fonts stick
around when I move the windows.

--
Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Mar 10 11:44:44 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092331140.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103101132260.23298-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Troy Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Most proprietary formats are pretty lame for a variety of reasons. Why
> > don't we have a "universal document format" open standard at this time
> > in our technological development? Is it really such a tech "hotbed"
> > and advancing at too fast a rate?
> 
> So why are we sitting around bitching instead of designing an open,
> universal format that can kick Adobe's proprietary butt? I don't think
> such a project would be beyond our collective knowledge. New TCLUG open
> source development project, anyone? :)

Because its not the format that's the problem.  Heck, its probably been
done, but that doesn't mean we couldn't come up with a nifty one.  

There are two parts to this sort of deal:  standards and compliance.  
Standards are easy to write.  But how are you going to enforce compliance,
especially with M$ and Adobe and their "cattle"-base refusing or unable to
tickle the grey matter for half a second in a row?  This has been bemoaned
a little in other matters on this list in the last couple of msgs.

I suppose you could always tell people that until they stop sending you
things in proprietary formats, you're going to continue writing all your
Post-It notes and phone messages in anagrams, ( or ASCII). ;)  

Geek joke:  that's known as an 01001001 for an "I".  (Extra credit --
convert to EBCDIC, closed book, no calculators.)

Cheers,
Phil

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sat Mar 10 14:56:57 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010310025728.009e4460@pop.goldengate.net>
Message-ID: <3AAA9518.5F8B3AB9@black-hole.com>

Use your win fdisk utility to lay out your driver 10M  ,15M and leave the rest
unformated, you have to load winbloze first then when you load RH it should ask
you what partions you want and you can set the size then, the install and setup
on RH should do the formatting. When you are asked where you want to install
LILO, choose MBR.

"Dileep D. Monie" wrote:

> I'm partitioning my new Deskstar HDD (45 GB) to support a dual Win/Lin
> boot. From recent comments, I take that I should install Windows first and
> then Linux.
>
> Should I use the Win98 partitioning utility (or DOS Fdisk) to layout my
> drive, install Win98 in the bootable partition (10 GB), and transfer my
> existing files to the extended (logical) partition (15 GB); then come in
> with RedHat's DiskDruid (or Linux Fdisk) to partition the remaining chunk
> (20 GB) for Linux (/root, /home, /dev, etc.), install RedHat, and set the
> MBR for a dual boot? What role if any does IBM's Disk Manager (for
> installation) play in this? Can I alter my Linux partitions later easily
> without 'shattering' Windows? (Whoa... that was a mouthful :o)
>
> Also, has the RedHat disc 1 iso been fixed on the TCLUG FTP server?
>
> - Dileep
>
> rants: Why does the occasional list digest have a light blue background?
> Should I feel bad about using IBM products in light of the recent holocaust
> allegations?
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jack at jacku.com  Sat Mar 10 17:18:26 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *sigh*
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103092147530.21377-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103092147530.21377-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <01031017182600.01227@geezer>

I think what you want is the live-eval 7.1 ISO. That would give you a 2.4 
Kernel and KDE 2.0.1 (if you want it.) If you want a 2.2.x Kernel then go 
with the 7.0 eval. 

The eval is all the stuff you need. I used to run a lab server off a 5.3, 
then 6.0 eval disk. It is essentially what you'd get from Cheapbytes or LSL 
if you ordered a $2.00 SuSE CD-ROM.

On Friday 09 March 2001 21:48, you wrote:
> Ok, so what's the latest SuSE version? Is this evaluation ver I see ok?
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From hahaha at sexyfun.net  Sat Mar 10 19:01:15 2001
From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
Message-ID: <200103110101.f2B11EY26317@host1.in-motion.net>

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a 
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
Dwarfs enter...

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From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net  Sat Mar 10 20:29:22 2001
From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: OT sorta Re: [TCLUG] more installation fun
In-Reply-To: <3AA68BE6.9351D6F3@eetc.com>
References: <200103071854.f27Ismx14794@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <3AA68BE6.9351D6F3@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <200103110229.f2B2TVx28891@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

I know this is a little bit of a late response, but for anyone who does
dual-boot windows and linux this might come in handy.  When windows gets to
be icky, and linux is still running just fine (funny how that happens isn't
it) and you need to reinstall windows 98 (i bet this works on ME as well)
rather than just setting up windows, from a dos prompt run "setup /ir" and
that should make it not update the MBR, and therefore you don't have to
reinstall lilo or whatever other boot manager you happen to be using.  

On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:29:17 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: Simeon Johnston <simeonuj@eetc.com>
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] more installation fun
> 
> NO no no no no!
> I have dual booted linux with win-crappy several times and you always
> install
> windows first.  With 95/98/ME Lilo has to go into the MBR but with
> NT/2000 you
> should use the win bootloader.  There are several howtos on this and I
> can dig
> through my bookmarks to find them if you can't.
> Using the NT/2000 bootloader will minimize the chances that it will
> really mess
> something up.  And you can reload windows ( and we all know you will
> sooner or
> later, probably sooner ) without disturbing your Linux partiontion or
> LILO.
> So you install LILO on the first Linux partition and leave the MBR alone
> if
> using NT or 2000.
> If you ever go to ME/98/95 you can always rerun LILO to install into the
> MBR.
> I have used this method several times and it worked great everytime. 
> Just
> remember to always have a boot floppy ready to go. :-)
> 
> sim
> 
> 
> Jurupari wrote:
> 
> > > version. But my question is how would I go about the installation
> order?
> >
> > I would definitely install Windows first. I have done this a number
> > of times, and I have always had Linux place LILO on the mbr of the
> > first HDD. Just be sure to make a Linux boot floppy to have around
> > after you install Linux. If you ever go back and upgrade your version
> > of Windows from 95-98 or 2000 etc, that will overwrite LILO I think.
> > Same thing if you sys the drive. If that happens you can use your
> > boot disk to get into Linux and rerun LILO.
> >
> > > Should I install linux first and then redhat or the other way around.
> My
> > > primary concern is that problem that LILO has about not booting if
> the root
> > > partition is beyond some 10xx sector on the drive, so using a floppy
> to
> >
> > I think the latest versions of LILO no longer have that restriction
> > but I am not sure.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From chrome at real-time.com  Sat Mar 10 15:57:44 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <00037f1ba71282b6_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:47:53PM -0600
References: <010309114458.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3AA91A1C.F0CB0DE8@structural-wood.com> <00037f1ba71282b6_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010310155739.A15616@real-time.com>

> I even went to far as to set up an intranet for commonly used files, EMC test 
> reports, phone lists, common web pages and even antivirus updates (I ended up 
> having to use login scripts (NT) for antivirus updates, but then they piss 
> and moan when their computer reboots even though the script warns them.) but 
> I can't even get the hardware engineers to use the intranet, they still come 
> to me for hardcopies or CDs for test reports.  Shit, click, open and print 
> how hard is that?

at my last job, I had a couple of lusers who had trouble dealing with the
concept of a network. They always came to me, asking for a floppy with a
file on it. (when that selfsame file was perfectly accessible on the
fileserver).

after dealing with this for a while, trying to explain to them how much
easier it is to just access the file over the network; I gave up trying to
use reason, and actively demonstrated at every opportunity how to get the
file over the network. (and refused to give it to them on a floppy unless
they had a good excuse).
	I did eventually have some success. :)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Sun Mar 11 00:38:12 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: WARNING VIRUS Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
References: <200103110101.f2B11EY26317@host1.in-motion.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c0a9f5$d83668e0$0200000a@charizard>

Found the worm in this one!!!  This is an old one too...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hahaha" <hahaha@sexyfun.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!


> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated
and
> polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
> *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the
Seven
> Dwarfs enter...
>
>


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar 10 13:01:23 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 07:55:37AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010310130123.Q1555@ringworld.org>

* Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> [010310 09:41]:
> choose from a menu. Meaning you are screwed if you wanted to use a vga

http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/screenshots/gnome-term.jpg

That is known as a place to input a *string*.  Any font can be defined
(even 'vga' fonts) with a normal X font string.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sat Mar 10 13:05:33 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PDF generation in windows apps
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092331140.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:33:19PM -0600
References: <saa905f6.083@mdh-gw1> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092331140.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010310130533.R1555@ringworld.org>


http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technotes/acrobatpdf.html

Looks pretty open to me.  

Really, I would focus on creating XSLT files for XML output from
microsoft applications to applications you use, so you can interchange
and edit the files easily.

Sadly, microsoft isn't making XML files that can easily be 'converted'
with XSLT sometimes, becuase soemtimes its some binary stream wrapped in
XML. (thanks, guys!)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Mar 10 13:27:02 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
References: <200103101354.f2ADs3l13096@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AAA8006.C7C5FAA3@tc.umn.edu>

Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> It does not work the same. aterm is broken as hell. Move a transparent
> aterma cross your desktop and stop. See the text all disappear? Now move
> another window over it and magically the text reappears. It doesn't
> redraw it's stuff like it's supposed to. And for this aterm sucks rocks.

aterm has problems if you let it update what it is displaying while you
move the window.  If you set your window manager to prevent it from
updating until the window stops moving, it works just fine.  (well,
that's how it works for me with Sawfish and X 4.0.2)

-- 
 _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   Think "HONK" if you're a 
/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   telepath. 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar 10 14:35:14 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095D3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I'm using Mandrake 7.2 with the aterm version that came with the distro and
it works perfectly.  I don't see any of the problems you were describing.  

Aterm works just fine. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:51 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On 10 Mar 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> > It does not work the same. aterm is broken as hell. Move a 
> transparent
> > aterma cross your desktop and stop.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > See the text all disappear?
> 
> No... it's all still there.
> 
> > Now move another window over it and magically the text reappears.
> 
> I... really dont know what you're on about, Ben (: aterm USED 
> to do some
> weird crap back in the pre-3.x versions, But 4.0 works just 
> fine. In fact
> t was Eterm that was really jarry and bouncy when I moved a 
> transparent
> one...
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From kethry at winternet.com  Sat Mar 10 17:00:31 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
In-Reply-To: <3AAA9518.5F8B3AB9@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103101659470.23554-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> > rants: Why does the occasional list digest have a light blue background?
> > Should I feel bad about using IBM products in light of the recent holocaust
> > allegations?

Huh??? I think I missed something.....


-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Mar 10 18:20:41 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Tunneling gabber through ssh?
Message-ID: <20010310182041.G28820@real-time.com>

Anyone able to tunnel gabber through ssh?

I tried this on my local machine:

local% ssh -v -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 outside
local% gabber

I set gabber to talk to local:5222, assuming it would forward the request across
the firewall.

Did I do something wrong?

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net  Sat Mar 10 20:52:47 2001
From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Specializing in web pages for Art Galleries
In-Reply-To: <3AA6B2C0.C1702204@black-hole.com>
References: <000e01c0a734$ea474090$23c10142@fileserver> <3AA6B2C0.C1702204@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <200103110252.f2B2qlx06769@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

I assumed it was spam, so i sent them a nastygram for
1. sending it to us
2. sending it to us in HTML format
3. sending it to us using M$ lookout
4. being dumb
I of course covered my ass and gave them a bum reply-to address, and sent
through localhost so they don't get MY e-mail address on their list.  

On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, b. toberman wrote:
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:14:24 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: "b. toberman" <tobytoo@black-hole.com>
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Specializing in web pages for Art Galleries
> 
> Uh Huh.       is this spam or just someone being foolish ?
> 
> The Cyber Image wrote:


From simeonuj at eetc.com  Sat Mar 10 21:01:51 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
References: <200103110101.f2B11EY26317@host1.in-motion.net>
Message-ID: <3AAAEA7A.AF180B43@eetc.com>

Someone got a virus.
Microsoft sucks.

sim

Hahaha wrote:

> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
> polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
> *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
> Dwarfs enter...
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                       Name: sexy virgin.scr
>    sexy virgin.scr    Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
>                   Encoding: base64


From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net  Sat Mar 10 22:01:00 2001
From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
In-Reply-To: <200103110101.f2B11EY26317@host1.in-motion.net>
References: <200103110101.f2B11EY26317@host1.in-motion.net>
Message-ID: <200103110401.f2B410x28410@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

umm...this is the second spam i've received from this list this week...
time to change the e-mail address for posting, maybe?

-kremer

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Hahaha wrote:
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:01:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: Hahaha <hahaha@sexyfun.net>
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
> 
> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated
> and
> polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a 
> *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the
> Seven
> Dwarfs enter...
> 
> 
> 

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 03:52:03 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA
In-Reply-To: <200103092213.f29MDPl27814@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010311095203.10532.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok, i have been working on this for the past, umm 6
hours... and i think i finally know what the problem
is... but now how to fix it, so i will have to confer
with a higher power: you guys

backround: small lab in the basement for the fellew
tenants running Windoze 98SE, wanting to use a linux
server for basic file'n'print sharing... eventually it
will also be a web server and other stuff for the
afore mentioned fellow tenants...

problem: whenever more than "one" person uses samba
(as in browses the server, not logging in) the server
crashes: attached is the output of "smbstatus" 

does anybody know why this happens? isnt there a
better way to connect windows machines to a *nix
server? does anybody know of a "Client for unix
networks"? 

ok i am asking a few questions too many here, but it
is 4 am and i should be asleep, but this damnable
daemon keeps cpapping out on me... hmm lets see if
this mars_nwe is any good....

 -munir

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__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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From clay at fandre.com  Sun Mar 11 08:53:31 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA
References: <20010311095203.10532.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AAB916B.336A301D@fandre.com>

You're running Mandrake, aren't you? This is a known problem with the
kernel that ships with Mandrake. (Hint: Use debian)

Try searching google for the resolution. I did come across one page of
interest:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba&m=97212115732375&w=2

Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> Ok, i have been working on this for the past, umm 6
> hours... and i think i finally know what the problem
> is... but now how to fix it, so i will have to confer
> with a higher power: you guys
> 
> backround: small lab in the basement for the fellew
> tenants running Windoze 98SE, wanting to use a linux
> server for basic file'n'print sharing... eventually it
> will also be a web server and other stuff for the
> afore mentioned fellow tenants...
> 
> problem: whenever more than "one" person uses samba
> (as in browses the server, not logging in) the server
> crashes: attached is the output of "smbstatus"
> 
> does anybody know why this happens? isnt there a
> better way to connect windows machines to a *nix
> server? does anybody know of a "Client for unix
> networks"?
> 
> ok i am asking a few questions too many here, but it
> is 4 am and i should be asleep, but this damnable
> daemon keeps cpapping out on me... hmm lets see if
> this mars_nwe is any good....
> 
>  -munir
> 
> =====
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                Name: error
>    error       Type: application/x-unknown
>            Encoding: base64
>         Description: error

-- 
Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com
Collective  http://www.collectivetech.com
Cell : (612) 719-4179 | Pager: 1-800-946-4646 x1425289

From clay at fandre.com  Sun Mar 11 09:12:25 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Tunneling gabber through ssh?
References: <20010310182041.G28820@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AAB95D9.9283FF53@fandre.com>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> Anyone able to tunnel gabber through ssh?
> 
> I tried this on my local machine:
> 
> local% ssh -v -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 outside
> local% gabber
> 
> I set gabber to talk to local:5222, assuming it would forward the request across
> the firewall.
> 
> Did I do something wrong?
> 

I'm assuming you got authenticated to 'outside'? What did the output of
ssh tell you? Connection refused?

Here's a nice howto on forwading news, which should be the same process.

http://www.interlog.com/~giles/papers/SSH/x42.html

From clay at fandre.com  Sun Mar 11 09:21:39 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA
References: <20010311095203.10532.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com> <3AAB916B.336A301D@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AAB9803.5F7E553B@fandre.com>

Her's another page:

http://www.linuxarkivet.nu/mlists/mandrake-expert/0012/msg00958.html

Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> You're running Mandrake, aren't you? This is a known problem with the
> kernel that ships with Mandrake. (Hint: Use debian)
> 
> Try searching google for the resolution. I did come across one page of
> interest:
> 
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba&m=97212115732375&w=2
> 
> Munir Nassar wrote:
> >
> > Ok, i have been working on this for the past, umm 6
> > hours... and i think i finally know what the problem
> > is... but now how to fix it, so i will have to confer
> > with a higher power: you guys
> >
> > backround: small lab in the basement for the fellew
> > tenants running Windoze 98SE, wanting to use a linux
> > server for basic file'n'print sharing... eventually it
> > will also be a web server and other stuff for the
> > afore mentioned fellow tenants...
> >
> > problem: whenever more than "one" person uses samba
> > (as in browses the server, not logging in) the server
> > crashes: attached is the output of "smbstatus"
> >
> > does anybody know why this happens? isnt there a
> > better way to connect windows machines to a *nix
> > server? does anybody know of a "Client for unix
> > networks"?
> >
> > ok i am asking a few questions too many here, but it
> > is 4 am and i should be asleep, but this damnable
> > daemon keeps cpapping out on me... hmm lets see if
> > this mars_nwe is any good....
> >
> >  -munir
> >
> > =====
> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > Version: 3.12
> > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >                Name: error
> >    error       Type: application/x-unknown
> >            Encoding: base64
> >         Description: error
> 
> --
> Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com
> Collective  http://www.collectivetech.com
> Cell : (612) 719-4179 | Pager: 1-800-946-4646 x1425289
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
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Cell : (612) 719-4179 | Pager: 1-800-946-4646 x1425289

From blutgens at sistina.com  Sun Mar 11 10:48:20 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to ad some coolness??
In-Reply-To: <20010310130123.Q1555@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 01:01:23PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com> <20010310130123.Q1555@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010311104819.A665@vm-lvm>

On Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 01:01:23PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote:
>* Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> [010310 09:41]:
>> choose from a menu. Meaning you are screwed if you wanted to use a vga
>
>http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/screenshots/gnome-term.jpg

Doh! thanks for pointing that out.

>
>That is known as a place to input a *string*.  Any font can be defined
>(even 'vga' fonts) with a normal X font string.
>
>-- 
>Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
>http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
>
>"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall



-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	worl: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 10:56:37 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Downgrade?
In-Reply-To: <20010311104819.A665@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103111050550.18659-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Sorry if this has been asked before, and I'm still looking through TFMs,
but I added something (I think aviplayer) from unstable to my nice boring,
working stable (Debian potato) system and in the process broke xdm since I
forget to tell it not to upgrade other things.  

I haven't yet found a good way to downgrade with apt-get.  is there any?

dpkg would do it, but its pretty manual.  Have I any other options?

I just want to go back to my nice old X (3.3.6?) and working xdm.  Going
forward with a dist-upgrade looks like 300MB on  a 56k modem (ick).  Any
wise tips on how to (quickly!) pull it off the potato CDs?

(This is where my old but nifty Exabyte is not helping -- Didn't figure
I'd need to back up all that, just configs!)

Thanx

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 11:42:59 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Downgrade?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103111050550.18659-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103111140480.25319-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Nevermind.  I always forget how to tell dselect explicitly what packages
to use.  I've got it now.

Once nice thing about the deb system is that you can feel better about
doing things that break dependencies, because you can always strip things
to a point where the machine will put stuff back on to fill holes.

(I said you can feel better, not "you can feel good.") ;)

Cheers,
Phil


On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> Sorry if this has been asked before, and I'm still looking through TFMs,
> but I added something (I think aviplayer) from unstable to my nice boring,
> working stable (Debian potato) system and in the process broke xdm since I
> forget to tell it not to upgrade other things.  
> 
> I haven't yet found a good way to downgrade with apt-get.  is there any?
> 
> dpkg would do it, but its pretty manual.  Have I any other options?
> 
> I just want to go back to my nice old X (3.3.6?) and working xdm.  Going
> forward with a dist-upgrade looks like 300MB on  a 56k modem (ick).  Any
> wise tips on how to (quickly!) pull it off the potato CDs?
> 
> (This is where my old but nifty Exabyte is not helping -- Didn't figure
> I'd need to back up all that, just configs!)
> 
> Thanx
> 
> 

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 12:15:09 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: SAMBA
In-Reply-To: <200103111456.f2BEu2l05862@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010311181509.83289.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

i wonder what i continue top use a crappy product as
Mandrake, (probably same reason why i dual boot with
winblows: i am stupid)

anyways, i have slackware handy i will try that now...

but i will be cruising by linuxiso.org later on today,
ive had quite a few people tell me debie is the "best"
distro lately...

 -munir

> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:53:31 -0600
> From: Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SAMBA
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> You're running Mandrake, aren't you? This is a known
> problem with the
> kernel that ships with Mandrake. (Hint: Use debian)
> 
> Try searching google for the resolution. I did come
> across one page of
> interest:
> 
>
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba&m=97212115732375&w=2
> 
> Munir Nassar wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, i have been working on this for the past, umm
> 6
> > hours... and i think i finally know what the
> problem
> > is... but now how to fix it, so i will have to
> confer
> > with a higher power: you guys
> > 
> > backround: small lab in the basement for the
> fellew
> > tenants running Windoze 98SE, wanting to use a
> linux
> > server for basic file'n'print sharing...
> eventually it
> > will also be a web server and other stuff for the
> > afore mentioned fellow tenants...
> > 
> > problem: whenever more than "one" person uses
> samba
> > (as in browses the server, not logging in) the
> server
> > crashes: attached is the output of "smbstatus"
> > 
> > does anybody know why this happens? isnt there a
> > better way to connect windows machines to a *nix
> > server? does anybody know of a "Client for unix
> > networks"?
> > 
> > ok i am asking a few questions too many here, but
> it
> > is 4 am and i should be asleep, but this damnable
> > daemon keeps cpapping out on me... hmm lets see if
> > this mars_nwe is any good....
> > 
> >  -munir
> > 
> > =====
> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > Version: 3.12
> > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+
> w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++
> X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++
> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great
> prices.
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> >  
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >                Name: error
> >    error       Type: application/x-unknown
> >            Encoding: base64
> >         Description: error
> 
> -- 
> Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com
> Collective  http://www.collectivetech.com
> Cell : (612) 719-4179 | Pager: 1-800-946-4646
> x1425289
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> End of tclug-list Digest

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------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
http://auctions.yahoo.com/

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 12:20:37 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: SAMBA
In-Reply-To: <200103111801.f2BI1dl08584@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010311182037.1347.qmail@web10115.mail.yahoo.com>

thanks..let me try that first then...
ill let you know how it goes...

 -munir

> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:21:39 -0600
> From: Clay Fandre <clay@fandre.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SAMBA
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Her's another page:
> 
>
http://www.linuxarkivet.nu/mlists/mandrake-expert/0012/msg00958.html
> 
> Clay Fandre wrote:


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------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
http://auctions.yahoo.com/

From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Mar 11 15:17:58 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Tunneling gabber through ssh?
In-Reply-To: <3AAB95D9.9283FF53@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 09:12:25AM -0600
References: <20010310182041.G28820@real-time.com> <3AAB95D9.9283FF53@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010311151758.B29310@real-time.com>

Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com):
> I'm assuming you got authenticated to 'outside'? What did the output of
> ssh tell you? Connection refused?

ssh worked fine. It's like gabber didn't work.

A Transmitter Error occurred: Unknown error
20010311T21:20:28<<< <stream:stream to='
20010311T21:20:28<<< localhost
20010311T21:20:28<<< ' xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams'>
20010311T21:20:29>>> <?xml version='1.0'?><stream:stream xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' id='XXXXXXXX' xmlns='jabber:client' from='localhost'>
20010311T21:20:29<<< <iq id='XXX' type='get'><query xmlns='jabber:iq:auth'><username>Basic</username></query></iq>
20010311T21:20:29>>> <stream:error>Server Configuration Error</stream:error>
DISCONNECTED
-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From dmonie at futurestat.com  Sun Mar 11 16:37:54 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Win/Lin dual boot (rant explanation)
In-Reply-To: <200103111456.f2BEu2l05862@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311161859.009e90f0@lenti.med.umn.edu>

First, I am using Eudora 5.02 to view my email. Occasionally (~1 in 15 
messages) the background of the digest is set to a light blue. Just curious 
as to why?

As for the holocaust allegations, a book entitled "IBM and the Holocaust: 
The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful 
Corporation" was just released (ISBN: 0609607995). It was on 20/20, CNN, 
pretty much everywhere and is a bestseller on Amazon.com. Although the 
details and facts have yet to be verified (documents are in various 
university archives), it looks pretty damning. The rant was just a thought.

- Dileep


At 08:56 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:

> >  rants: Why does the occasional list digest have a light blue background?
> >  Should I feel bad about using IBM products in light of the recent 
> holocaust
> >  allegations?
>
>Huh??? I think I missed something.....


From dmonie at futurestat.com  Sun Mar 11 16:51:11 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
In-Reply-To: <200103110924.f2B9OUl31444@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311163852.009e5bb0@lenti.med.umn.edu>

A couple follow-up queries:

Does the RedHat DiskDruid include a boot manager?
Will DiskDruid respect the partition boundaries set by Win Fdisk (Bill was 
saying that this might be a problem, but he uses Slackware)?

- Dileep

rant: ORBS doesn't look so bad with the recent large spams.


At 03:24 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Use your win fdisk utility to lay out your driver 10M  ,15M and leave the rest
>unformated, you have to load winbloze first then when you load RH it 
>should ask
>you what partions you want and you can set the size then, the install and 
>setup
>on RH should do the formatting. When you are asked where you want to install
>LILO, choose MBR.


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 16:55:44 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Win/Lin dual boot (rant explanation)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311161859.009e90f0@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103111648430.14543-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Dileep D. Monie wrote:

> As for the holocaust allegations, a book entitled "IBM and the Holocaust: 
> The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful 
> Corporation" was just released (ISBN: 0609607995). It was on 20/20, CNN, 
> pretty much everywhere and is a bestseller on Amazon.com. Although the 
> details and facts have yet to be verified (documents are in various 
> university archives), it looks pretty damning. The rant was just a thought.

So this is basically a "well, gee, *EVERY*body knows it" proof, huh?
The sources you mention aren't exactly known for veracity and integrity
above all else. ;)  True or not, someone's certainly found a way to sell a
couple of books and create a sensation.

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From destef at destef.com  Sun Mar 11 17:05:07 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <20010309193333.C25197@master.dbsource.com>
Message-ID: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com>

Yeah, its called "C".


At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?
>
>
>-- 
>Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
>heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
>voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
>Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sun Mar 11 17:09:55 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311163852.009e5bb0@lenti.med.umn.edu>; from dmonie@futurestat.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 04:51:11PM -0600
References: <200103110924.f2B9OUl31444@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010311163852.009e5bb0@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010311170955.S1555@ringworld.org>

* Dileep D. Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> [010311 16:58]:
> rant: ORBS doesn't look so bad with the recent large spams.

Those were not spams, but happy email worms from your good friends on
this list running outlook.

Please, protect yourself from outlook faring peoples by running filters
to strip out executable attachments :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From andy at theasis.com  Sun Mar 11 17:31:30 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103111730360.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:

> Yeah, its called "C".

You mean "Perl".

2.5.9 Shift Operators

The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of the left argument
shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
the number of bits specified by the right argument. The arguments should
be integers. For example:

1 << 4;     # returns 16
32 >> 4;    # returns 2

Andy

> 
> 
> At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> >heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
> >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
> >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar 11 17:33:10 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111732060.23188-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hey,

Anyone using them for DSL? Are they decent? Do they use the same
equipment as Qwest? Give out static IPs? Their webpage sucks and I
might be moving to a No-Qwest area.

-Yaron

--


From heilja at dbsource.com  Sun Mar 11 17:44:55 2001
From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103111730360.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:31:30PM -0600
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103111730360.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <20010311174455.A27350@master.dbsource.com>

Thanks thats what I was looking for.


Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com):
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, its called "C".
> 
> You mean "Perl".
> 
> 2.5.9 Shift Operators
> 
> The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of the left argument
> shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
> the number of bits specified by the right argument. The arguments should
> be integers. For example:
> 
> 1 << 4;     # returns 16
> 32 >> 4;    # returns 2
> 
> Andy
> 
> > 
> > 
> > At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?
> > >
> > >
> > >-- 
> > >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> > >heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
> > >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
> > >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >tclug-list mailing list
> > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51

From fertch at mninter.net  Sun Mar 11 18:24:08 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111732060.23188-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AAC1728.A066A531@mninter.net>

Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's limited to 144 or
thereabouts.  Haven't heard anything good or bad about them, except
maybe the pricing is a little high compared to Qwest.

Yaron wrote:

>   Hey,
>
> Anyone using them for DSL? Are they decent? Do they use the same
> equipment as Qwest? Give out static IPs? Their webpage sucks and I
> might be moving to a No-Qwest area.
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar 11 19:33:29 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
In-Reply-To: <3AAC1728.A066A531@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111932460.24795-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

> Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's limited to 144 or
> thereabouts.

Must depend on location, their website does say "up to 1Mbps".


-Yaron

--


From andy at theasis.com  Sun Mar 11 20:36:53 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to turn off mail from cron
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103112016000.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

Can anyone tell me how to turn off this feature of cron:

       When executing commands, any output is mailed to the owner
       of  the  crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO envi?
       ronment variable in the crontab, if such exists).

I'm running vixie-cron-3.0.1-52.

Thanks, 

Andy


From fertch at mninter.net  Sun Mar 11 21:14:36 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111932460.24795-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AAC3F1C.35EDA92D@mninter.net>

Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:
>
> > Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's limited to 144 or
> > thereabouts.
>
> Must depend on location, their website does say "up to 1Mbps".
>
> -Yaron
>
> --

Now that I think about it more, I believe he lives right at the very
edge of service....  That's what happens when too many things are
bouncing back and forth in the brain.


Shawn


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sun Mar 11 21:31:31 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] how to turn off mail from cron
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103112016000.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 08:36:53PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103112016000.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <20010311213130.T1555@ringworld.org>

Use the source, luke!

Actually, why do you want to turn this feature off?  Any users not used
to it will go nuts.

Why not redirect STDOUT and STDERR to /dev/null in your commands?

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar 11 22:09:00 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103112205290.26512-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok, I'm on debian now. It's the only dist that managed to build avifile!
But it can't build vcr yet. Anyway, my real problem is it won't build the
kernel.

I'm trying to build 2.4.2. It actually builds ok when I go "make", but
"make bzImage" gives this; anyone know what the heck?

ld -m elf_i386 -T /mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o \
	--start-group \
	arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o \
	drivers/block/block.o drivers/char/char.o drivers/misc/misc.o drivers/net/net.o drivers/media/media.o  drivers/char/agp/agp.o drivers/char/drm/drm.o drivers/ide/idedriver.o drivers/scsi/scsidrv.o drivers/cdrom/driver.o drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o drivers/pci/driver.o drivers/video/video.o drivers/usb/usbdrv.o drivers/input/inputdrv.o drivers/i2c/i2c.o drivers/acpi/acpi.o \
	net/network.o \
	/mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/lib/lib.a /mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/arch/i386/lib/lib.a \
	--end-group \
	-o vmlinux
nm vmlinux | grep -v '\(compiled\)\|\(\.o$\)\|\( [aUw] \)\|\(\.\.ng$\)\|\(LASH[RL]DI\)' | sort > System.map
make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/arch/i386/boot'
ld -m elf_i386 -Ttext 0x0 -s -oformat binary bbootsect.o -o bbootsect
ld: cannot open binary: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [bbootsect] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt2/src/LINUX/2.4.2/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [bzImage] Error 2


-Yaron

--


From nate at techie.com  Sun Mar 11 22:11:18 2001
From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111732060.23188-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:33:10PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103111732060.23188-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010311221117.A6429@candle.dyn.dhs.org>

On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:33:10PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> Anyone using them for DSL? Are they decent? Do they use the same
> equipment as Qwest? Give out static IPs? Their webpage sucks and I
> might be moving to a No-Qwest area.

If at all possible, DO NOT MOVE TO FRONTIERLAND!  I've been stranded
here (Burnsville) with a DSL work order since AUGUST.  All they need is
a DSLAM, but they don't seem to think it's worth the investment.  I've
heard that it is available in Rosemont, but as long as you can check
your email and browse the web, they aren't going to help you.  

Nate


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Sun Mar 11 22:40:00 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103112205290.26512-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 10:09:00PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103112205290.26512-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010311224000.V1555@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010311 22:17]:
> ld -m elf_i386 -Ttext 0x0 -s -oformat binary bbootsect.o -o bbootsect

You want to edit the makefiles to read --oformat.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From nate at techie.com  Sun Mar 11 22:42:49 2001
From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103112205290.26512-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 10:09:00PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103112205290.26512-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010311224249.A6479@candle.dyn.dhs.org>

On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 10:09:00PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> Ok, I'm on debian now. It's the only dist that managed to build avifile!
> But it can't build vcr yet. Anyway, my real problem is it won't build the
> kernel.
> 
> I'm trying to build 2.4.2. It actually builds ok when I go "make", but
> "make bzImage" gives this; anyone know what the heck?

With Debian you really should use the kernel-package tools.  You'll
configure the kernel, run `make-kpkg binary-arch` then install the
resulting Debian packages.  It makes everything really simple.

> ld -m elf_i386 -Ttext 0x0 -s -oformat binary bbootsect.o -o bbootsect
> ld: cannot open binary: No such file or directory

You probably have a newer version of binutils where the -o options has
been changed to --o.  This has been discussed and remedied on
linux-kernel.  

Nate

From spencer at sihope.com  Sun Mar 11 16:49:59 2001
From: spencer at sihope.com (AAA)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] curses ncurses-5.1-2
Message-ID: <200103112249590207.253D07DE@smtp.sihope.com>

I have been trying to load RH 7.0 for the past couple of nights. Everytime the installer starts to load ncurses-5.1-2 the system stops responding. I can back out with ctrl-alt-bspc, but then I am stuck. Linux finds my moniter, Sony 20se2 and video card, ati all in wonder 128 16m just fine. Do I need to give it special instruction or just talk nice to it and forget about its shortcomings.
Curses to ncurses.

-Spencer

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From destef at destef.com  Sun Mar 11 22:59:47 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103111730360.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.c
 om>
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com>
Message-ID: <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com>

heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot faster too. :)

At 05:31 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
>
>> Yeah, its called "C".
>
>You mean "Perl".
>
>2.5.9 Shift Operators
>
>The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of the left argument
>shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
>the number of bits specified by the right argument. The arguments should
>be integers. For example:
>
>1 << 4;     # returns 16
>32 >> 4;    # returns 2
>
>Andy
>
>> 
>> 
>> At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?
>> >
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
>> >heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
>> >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
>> >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >tclug-list mailing list
>> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> > 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> tclug-list mailing list
>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar 12 04:58:29 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PPP: dial-in issues
Message-ID: <3AACABD5.7168192A@mninter.net>

Still trying to figure out dialing into my ISP (Qwest).  Here's the
configurations on some files (with errors at the end):

/etc/ppp/pppscript:
TIMEOUT 60
ABORT ERROR
ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
"" "AT&FH0"
OK "atdt<phone number>"
TIMEOUT 75
CONNECT

/etc/ppp/options:
lock
defaultroute
noipdefault
modem
/dev/ttyS0
230400
crtscts
#Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting:
# debug
# If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side
# to authenticate itself, which most ISP's will not do.  To work around
this,
# uncomment the line below.  Note that this may have negative side
effects
# On system security if you allow PPP dialins.  See the docs in
/usr/doc/ppp*
# for more information.
#noauth
passive
asyncmap 0
name "<uid>"

/etc/ppp/options.demand:
lock
defaultroute
noipdefault
modem
/dev/ttyS0
230400
crtcs
#Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting:
# debug
# If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side
# to authenticate itself, which most ISP's will not do.  To work around
this,
# uncomment the line below.  Note that this may have negative side
effects
# On system security if you allow PPP dialins.  See the docs in
/usr/doc/ppp*
# for more information.
#noauth
passive
asyncmap 0
name "<uid>"
ipcp-accept-local
ipcp-accept-remote
0.0.0.0:10.10.10.10
demand
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/pppscript"

/etc/resolv.conf:
search qwest.net
nameserver <ip address>

/etc/ppp/pap-secrets:
"<uid>"     *     "<password>"


Here's what shows up on-screen:
root@glyndale:/etc/ppp# ppp-go
root@glyndale:/etc/ppp# Serial connection established
using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0<--> /dev/ttyS0
LCP: Timeout sending Config-Requests

When I go and look at /var/log/messages here's what relates to the
error:
pppd[212]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
 chat[213]: timeout set to 60 seconds
chat[213]: abort on (ERROR)
chat[213]: abort on (BUSY)
chat[213]: abort on (NO CARRIER):
chat[213]: abort on (NO DIALTONE):
chat[213]: send (AT&FH0^M^M)
chat[213]: OK
chat[213]: --got it
chat[213]: send (atdt<phone#>^M)
chat[213]: timeout set to 75 seconds
chat[213]: expect (CONNECT)
chat[213]: ^M
chat[213]: atdt<phone#>^M^M
pppd[212]: Serial connection established.
pppd[212]: Using interface ppp0
pppd[212]: Connect: ppp0<--> /dev/ttyS0
chat[213]: CONNECT
chat[213]:  --got it


From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Mon Mar 12 06:32:53 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PPP: dial-in issues
In-Reply-To: <3AACABD5.7168192A@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 04:58:29AM -0600
References: <3AACABD5.7168192A@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010312063253.A8619@mn.rr.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 04:58:29AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
[snip]
> #Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting:
> # debug

(cough)


From clay at fandre.com  Mon Mar 12 07:25:49 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com> <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com>
Message-ID: <3AACCE5C.7035414D@fandre.com>

Yes, but it's also like killing an ant with a hammer. A little overkill
when you're doing basic bit-shifting.

Sure, C might be able to do a LOT more than C, but why do you want to
write 100 lines of code when you can do it in 4?

Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot faster too. :)
> 
> At 05:31 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, its called "C".
> >
> >You mean "Perl".
> >
> >2.5.9 Shift Operators
> >
> >The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of the left argument
> >shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
> >the number of bits specified by the right argument. The arguments should
> >be integers. For example:
> >
> >1 << 4;     # returns 16
> >32 >> 4;    # returns 2
> >
> >Andy
> >

From kent at structural-wood.com  Mon Mar 12 07:34:17 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
References: <010309170718.202989f8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <00037f1ca06a2f21_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3AACD059.1658B480@structural-wood.com>

Steve Grobe wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like the refresh rate my be set too high and the monitor is
> eating itself.  But I would think that a recent monitor would just reject a
> refresh rate that was set too high.  All my Sony and Hitachi monitors just
> refuse to run at a refresh rate that is not supported.
> 
> Both flyback transformers and caps will discolor when abused, this is visable
> if you open the case.  Caps are easy if they are not too burned, you can
> order a new one through digikey, if you can read the specs.
> In the case of a fried flyback I always just replaced the HV card in the
> monitor.   The flyback will often have a needle sized hole burned in the
> casing.   You can both smell and hear this , it smells like a thunderstorm
> and sounds like a car with a pinhole leak somewhere in the catalytic
> converter, much like pushing air through your teeth.
> 
> If you decide to swap the HV card on your own be careful to discharge the
> tube before you try to disconnect it, two screwdrivers work well for this.
> One the is inserted into the hole in the back of the tube and one that is
> slid down the first and makes contact with the back of the tube, you will get
> a nice blue arc about 1/4 inch long.  Do that a couple of times before
> attempting to disconnect the card from the tube, the connection will often
> look like a suction cup with two prongs in it.  If you don't do this it you
> will probably not die but you will jump higher and faster than you ever have.
> (50KV will do that)  The couple of times I didn't fully discharge a tube
> before trying to change out a HV card I lost the feeling in a couple of
> fingers for a week or so, it burns a really neat hole in your finger as you
> jump straight up nearly 3 feet.   Interesting to say the least.
> 

I used to repair computers and TV's as a side business - I had a huge old TV  on
my bench (actually it was probably a 20", but we are talking 20 years ago), and
I had noticed one small thing wrong that would probably fix the problem with
the TV, but it required reaching in right along the tube.  I decided to go
for it, and had my hand a ways in when I felt that tingling feeling... I started
to pull my hand out fast, and was hit with a big blue spark.  My arm spasmed
and I hit myself in the face with my fist so hard I knocked myself across the
room.  About 2 hours later I had matching bruises on the back of my hand and
my cheek and chin.

I tell my son the only person to ever knock me out with their fist was me...


Oh, yeah, to put this back on topic, ummm,  BE CAREFUL, yeah, thats the ticket.

From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar 12 08:17:50 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PPP: dial-in issues
References: <3AACABD5.7168192A@mninter.net> <20010312063253.A8619@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3AACDA8E.376B1854@mninter.net>

John Joseph Trammell wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 04:58:29AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
> [snip]
> > #Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting:
> > # debug
>
> (cough)

If I'm not mistaken, I did do this last weekend.  I don't think that
there was anything other than what I've already posted.  Will try it
again this evening however.


Shawn


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar 12 08:02:14 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cron error message
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5071A@mail2.ROG.COM>

Mar 12 07:27:51 RedHat rhnsd[2044]: running program /usr/sbin/rhn_check
Mar 12 07:27:54 RedHat rhnsd[904]: command returned: ERROR: unable to read
system id.

I get the above error message in my messages log and don't know what it
means.  Could someone tell me what it means and point me in a direction on
how to fix it? 

 It is in the cron.hourly job.  pid 904 is rhnsd. 

TIA

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From mtsqph at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 08:20:36 2001
From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Win/Lin dual boot (rant explanation)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311161859.009e90f0@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010312142036.79471.qmail@web10315.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Dileep D. Monie" <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
> First, I am using Eudora 5.02 to view my email.
> Occasionally (~1 in 15 
> messages) the background of the digest is set to a
> light blue. Just curious 
> as to why?
> 
> As for the holocaust allegations, a book entitled
> "IBM and the Holocaust: 
> The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
> America's Most Powerful 
> Corporation" was just released (ISBN: 0609607995).
> It was on 20/20, CNN, 
> pretty much everywhere and is a bestseller on
> Amazon.com. Although the 
> details and facts have yet to be verified (documents
> are in various 
> university archives), it looks pretty damning. The
> rant was just a thought.
> 
> - Dileep

> 
> 
> At 08:56 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> > >  rants: Why does the occasional list digest have
> a light blue background?
> > >  Should I feel bad about using IBM products in
> light of the recent 
> > holocaust
> > >  allegations?
> >
> >Huh??? I think I missed something.....
Re to the Re of the Rant...
Concerning the matter of Big Blue and the Holocaust
accusations... 
1. It counts a lot if you are Jewish.
2. It counts even more if you are human and have a
sense of morality.
3. The complicity of IBM in supplying the Nazi machine
with such data tracking methodologies is equal to
being a partner in the mass extermination of 18
million people... the thing that is overlooked is that
they may have killed 6 million people of the Jewish
people... but they also killed (by the same methods!)
Russian, Polish, Ukranian, Czech, Spanish, and others
(twelve million... think on that, all told, and this
is found in the records of the holocaust gathered
after the fact by Jewish, American, Russian and German
sources!) 
My father-In-Law had a family tree record of all the
members traced back to Russia and the Eastern European
regions... going back to the early to mid 18th cent...
When it gets to the generations of WWII... there are a
flow of asterisks next to names... indicating
extermination at the hand of the Nazis... Want to know
why we dumped our 5000 shares of IBM and Perferred
like a hot potato..???
We don't buy Braun or Krupp or McDonald's either..!
The McDonalds thing is because they wanted to build on
a site just outside the museum at Auschwitz!!!
Please excuse my unloading like this, I am not
personally, Jewish, my wife is... I just consider
myself a human being, and to me the human being part
takes precedence over the bottom line.
 
But what I am so hurt about is not just IBM... it is
Microsoft. They are working on projects with other
companies (Cisco, Sun,...IBM) to incorporate
biometrics... know what that is? You will see it soon
enough.
P.S. please excuse the inclusion of the the thread...
I felt it necessary to complete the thought...

__________________________________________________
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From andy at theasis.com  Mon Mar 12 08:45:58 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103120842420.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:

> heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot faster too. :)

Remember "fast" is not just what the computer does after the human does
all the work.  I don't think you can write, compile and execute the C code
faster than I can spit this onto the command line:

	perl -e '$bob = 1 << 4 and print $bob, "\n";'

Andy


From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Mon Mar 12 08:34:29 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <3AACCE5C.7035414D@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:25:49AM -0600
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com> <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com> <3AACCE5C.7035414D@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010312083429.A8817@mn.rr.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:25:49AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote:
> Sure, C might be able to do a LOT more than C, but why do you want to
> write 100 lines of code when you can do it in 4?

Four?!?!  Try one!

 % perl -nle 'print $_>>1, " ", $_<<1'
 4
 2 8
 9
 4 18
 ^D
 %


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Mon Mar 12 09:16:28 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
Message-ID: <saac9402.003@mdh-gw1>

I like Perl, but I am an addict:

perl -e '$a = 128 >> 1;  print "$a\n";$b = 128 << 1;  print "$b\n"; '

Good luck,

Troy

>>> heilja@dbsource.com 03/09/01 07:33PM >>>

Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit shift a number?


-- 
Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com 
voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar 12 09:32:51 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Hourly Cron error (resent in plain text) sorry about the "rich te
 xt" posting
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5071D@mail2.ROG.COM>

Mar 12 07:27:51 RedHat rhnsd[2044]: running program /usr/sbin/rhn_check
Mar 12 07:27:54 RedHat rhnsd[904]: command returned: ERROR: unable to read
system id.

I get the above error message in my messages log and don't know what it
means.  Could someone tell me what it means and point me in a direction on
how to fix it? 

 It is in the cron.hourly job.  pid 904 is rhnsd. 

TIA


John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From heilja at dbsource.com  Mon Mar 12 09:21:03 2001
From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103120842420.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:45:58AM -0600
References: <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103120842420.5468-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <20010312092103.A27872@master.dbsource.com>

Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com):
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> > heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot faster too. :)
> 
> Remember "fast" is not just what the computer does after the human does
> all the work.  I don't think you can write, compile and execute the C code
> faster than I can spit this onto the command line:
> 
> 	perl -e '$bob = 1 << 4 and print $bob, "\n";'
> 

  kiss is what I was going for.  I just needed that to twiddle a few
kernel params.

-- 
Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 09:56:13 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <200103120338.f2C3cTl17634@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010312155613.9298.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok, i banished Mandrake from my server forever and
replaced it with Slackware, worked like a charm...

samba is up and running no problems whatsoever... i
was able to recompile the kernel and some other stuff
(links, lftp, vim, openssl+openssh) overall i would
say a very good experience....

i am having some problems with LILO and OpenSSH i will
spam you guys more know once i have more info..

 -munir


PS. on the IBM/NAZI thing... all i can say is that
that was 50 years ago, 50 years is a long time... how
many of you were alive then? i am betting not too
many... let it die... it is a dark part of human
history yes, but not the darkest... i am not saying to
forget about it, we cannot forget, but we can learn to
not do the same again, pointing fingers of blame will
not teach us that


> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:37:54 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: "Dileep D. Monie" <dmonie@futurestat.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Win/Lin dual boot (rant
> explanation)
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> First, I am using Eudora 5.02 to view my email.
> Occasionally (~1 in 15 
> messages) the background of the digest is set to a
> light blue. Just curious 
> as to why?
> 
> As for the holocaust allegations, a book entitled
> "IBM and the Holocaust: 
> The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
> America's Most Powerful 
> Corporation" was just released (ISBN: 0609607995).
> It was on 20/20, CNN, 
> pretty much everywhere and is a bestseller on
> Amazon.com. Although the 
> details and facts have yet to be verified (documents
> are in various 
> university archives), it looks pretty damning. The
> rant was just a thought.
> 
> - Dileep
> 
> 
> At 08:56 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> > >  rants: Why does the occasional list digest have
> a light blue background?
> > >  Should I feel bad about using IBM products in
> light of the recent 
> > holocaust
> > >  allegations?
> >
> >Huh??? I think I missed something.....
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:51:11 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: "Dileep D. Monie" <dmonie@futurestat.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Setting up a Win/Lin dual boot
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> A couple follow-up queries:
> 
> Does the RedHat DiskDruid include a boot manager?
> Will DiskDruid respect the partition boundaries set
> by Win Fdisk (Bill was 
> saying that this might be a problem, but he uses
> Slackware)?
> 
> - Dileep
> 
> rant: ORBS doesn't look so bad with the recent large
> spams.
> 
> 
> At 03:24 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Use your win fdisk utility to lay out your driver
> 10M  ,15M and leave the rest
> >unformated, you have to load winbloze first then
> when you load RH it 
> >should ask
> >you what partions you want and you can set the size
> then, the install and 
> >setup
> >on RH should do the formatting. When you are asked
> where you want to install
> >LILO, choose MBR.
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:55:44 -0600 (CST)
> From: Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Win/Lin dual boot (rant
> explanation)
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Dileep D. Monie wrote:
> 
> > As for the holocaust allegations, a book entitled
> "IBM and the Holocaust: 
> > The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
> America's Most Powerful 
> > Corporation" was just released (ISBN: 0609607995).
> It was on 20/20, CNN, 
> > pretty much everywhere and is a bestseller on
> Amazon.com. Although the 
> > details and facts have yet to be verified
> (documents are in various 
> > university archives), it looks pretty damning. The
> rant was just a thought.
> 
> So this is basically a "well, gee, *EVERY*body knows
> it" proof, huh?
> The sources you mention aren't exactly known for
> veracity and integrity
> above all else. ;)  True or not, someone's certainly
> found a way to sell a
> couple of books and create a sensation.
> 
> -- 
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable."
> --Anonymous
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:05:07 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: Jason DeStefano <destef@destef.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bit shifting
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Yeah, its called "C".
> 
> 
> At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit
> shift a number?
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> >heilja@dbsource.com                 
> http://www.dbsource.com
> >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:  
> 952-445-5196
> >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01
> 86 AD DB DB 51
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:09:55 -0600
> From: Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Setting up a Win/Lin dual
> boot
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> 
> --uNvczuo8OWfsyO2w
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> * Dileep D. Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> [010311
> 16:58]:
> > rant: ORBS doesn't look so bad with the recent
> large spams.
> 
> Those were not spams, but happy email worms from
> your good friends on
> this list running outlook.
> 
> Please, protect yourself from outlook faring peoples
> by running filters
> to strip out executable attachments :)
> 
> --=20
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?"
> -Larry Wall
> 
> --uNvczuo8OWfsyO2w
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> 
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> 
>
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> 
> --uNvczuo8OWfsyO2w--
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:31:30 -0600 (CST)
> From: <andy@theasis.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bit shifting
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, its called "C".
> 
> You mean "Perl".
> 
> 2.5.9 Shift Operators
> 
> The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value
> of the left argument
> shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
> the number of bits specified by the right argument.
> The arguments should
> be integers. For example:
> 
> 1 << 4;     # returns 16
> 32 >> 4;    # returns 2
> 
> Andy
> 
> > 
> > 
> > At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit
> shift a number?
> > >
> > >
> > >-- 
> > >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> > >heilja@dbsource.com                 
> http://www.dbsource.com
> > >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:  
> 952-445-5196
> > >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53
> 01 86 AD DB DB 51
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >tclug-list mailing list
> > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
>
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:33:10 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
>   Hey,
> 
> Anyone using them for DSL? Are they decent? Do they
> use the same
> equipment as Qwest? Give out static IPs? Their
> webpage sucks and I
> might be moving to a No-Qwest area.
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:44:55 -0600
> From: Joseph Heil <heilja@dbsource.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bit shifting
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> 
> Thanks thats what I was looking for.
> 
> 
> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com):
> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> > 
> > > Yeah, its called "C".
> > 
> > You mean "Perl".
> > 
> > 2.5.9 Shift Operators
> > 
> > The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the
> value of the left argument
> > shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
> > the number of bits specified by the right
> argument. The arguments should
> > be integers. For example:
> > 
> > 1 << 4;     # returns 16
> > 32 >> 4;    # returns 2
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At 07:33 PM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Anyone know if a good utility to do some to bit
> shift a number?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-- 
> > > >Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> > > >heilja@dbsource.com                 
> http://www.dbsource.com
> > > >voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:  
> 952-445-5196
> > > >Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F
> 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
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> > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > >
>
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > >
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> -- 
> Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> heilja@dbsource.com                 
> http://www.dbsource.com
> voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:  
> 952-445-5196
> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01
> 86 AD DB DB 51
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:24:08 -0600
> From: Shawn <fertch@mninter.net>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's
> limited to 144 or
> thereabouts.  Haven't heard anything good or bad
> about them, except
> maybe the pricing is a little high compared to
> Qwest.
> 
> Yaron wrote:
> 
> >   Hey,
> >
> > Anyone using them for DSL? Are they decent? Do
> they use the same
> > equipment as Qwest? Give out static IPs? Their
> webpage sucks and I
> > might be moving to a No-Qwest area.
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:33:29 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:
> 
> > Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's
> limited to 144 or
> > thereabouts.
> 
> Must depend on location, their website does say "up
> to 1Mbps".
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:36:53 -0600 (CST)
> From: andy@theasis.com
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] how to turn off mail from cron
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to turn off this feature of
> cron:
> 
>        When executing commands, any output is mailed
> to the owner
>        of  the  crontab (or to the user named in the
> MAILTO envi­
>        ronment variable in the crontab, if such
> exists).
> 
> I'm running vixie-cron-3.0.1-52.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:14:36 -0600
> From: Shawn <fertch@mninter.net>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Frontiernet DSL
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Yaron wrote:
> 
> >   Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:
> >
> > > Guy I work with has them.  I believe that he's
> limited to 144 or
> > > thereabouts.
> >
> > Must depend on location, their website does say
> "up to 1Mbps".
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> 
> Now that I think about it more, I believe he lives
> right at the very
> edge of service....  That's what happens when too
> many things are
> bouncing back and forth in the brain.
> 
> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:31:31 -0600
> From: Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to turn off mail from cron
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> 
> --HtRZva1Vzv8iP5ye
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> Use the source, luke!
> 
> Actually, why do you want to turn this feature off? 
> Any users not used
> to it will go nuts.
> 
> Why not redirect STDOUT and STDERR to /dev/null in
> your commands?
> 
> --=20
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
> 
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?"
> -Larry Wall
> 
> --HtRZva1Vzv8iP5ye
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From jima at gimp.damnation.net  Mon Mar 12 11:05:46 2001
From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010312105023.00a44e30@mail.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103121052360.32586-100000@gimp.damnation.net>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:

> Ok, i banished Mandrake from my server forever and
> replaced it with Slackware, worked like a charm...
> 
> samba is up and running no problems whatsoever... i
> was able to recompile the kernel and some other stuff
> (links, lftp, vim, openssl+openssh) overall i would
> say a very good experience....
> 
> i am having some problems with LILO and OpenSSH i will
> spam you guys more know once i have more info..

 As for the OpenSSH thing, I'd suggest adding "--with-md5-passwords" to
your variables when running ./configure.  That's one annoying detail I've
run into installing OpenSSH on Slackware -- OpenSSH assumes that unless
the system has PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) support, it doesn't
use MD5 passwords.  Veeery annoying.  And on systems that *do* use PAM
(i.e. RedHat), you have to copy the sshd.pam file in the contrib directory
to /etc/pam.d/sshd or wherever.
 Look at it this way: When I discovered this minor fluke, I was installing
OpenSSH on a 486/25, I believe.  (Not mine.)  Boy, did that compile take a
long time.
 (I'd say this is a pretty good guess for having no details aside from the
distribution. ;)
 Hope this helps.

     Jima



From thudak at sistina.com  Mon Mar 12 11:21:16 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for linux-kernel archive mailing list maintainer
In-Reply-To: <20010309003920.C4828@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:39:20AM -0600
References: <20010309003920.C4828@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010312112116.A22138@cesium.sistina.com>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:39:20AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>I am looking for a co-admin for the linux-kernel mailing list we host locally.
>Duties are light, but I need some more eyes looking at it.
>
>Like rejecting subscribe attempts. 
>Make sure posts are being archived.
>etc..
I'll mod that stuff, I check my mail pretty habitually, and I'm never far from
a net connection. I do plenty of said work anyways.
>
>
>-- 
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>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 11:20:13 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anybody want a indigo?
In-Reply-To: <20010312155613.9298.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010312111100.6628A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

A pal of mine gave me a SGI indigo.  I already have two indies I need to
get working. I think it can take vga monitors, it has the hd db15 on the
back as well as the standard sgi monitor connection.  It has two disks,
not verry big but I'll throw in a couple of other hard disks, at least a
gig.  It seems to be loaded with memory, 32 I think, and has a mips 4000
series processor.  I have a set of trancievers so I can use rj45 or bnc.
I may have a sgi monitor for it, I'll have to check it's situation first.  
It has irix installed but we don't have the password.  I have the disks
for irix 6.2 and can get the disks for 5.3.

I would like around 90 for the box w/o the monitor, but any reasonable
offer will be considered.


Colin Kilbane


From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 12:15:15 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010312111100.6628A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010312181515.94047.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
I just installed 7.0 redhat from cd and tried to
download update files from redhat.com for 7.0.  I was
unable to download due to mislocation of updated rpms
at the site.

Does anyone know someone else I can get the updated
gclib rpms?

Scott	

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From barnabas at knicknack.net  Mon Mar 12 12:17:02 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103121052360.32586-100000@gimp.damnation.net>; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:05:46AM -0600
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010312105023.00a44e30@mail.mintygreen.net> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103121052360.32586-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
Message-ID: <20010312121702.A22028@knicknack.net>

Actually, there are Slackware packages available for OpenSSH.  It
might be just as easy to grab them from the ftp site.  You want
ossllibs.tgz, openssl.tgz and openssh.tgz.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:05:46AM -0600, Jima wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> > Ok, i banished Mandrake from my server forever and
> > replaced it with Slackware, worked like a charm...
> > 
> > samba is up and running no problems whatsoever... i
> > was able to recompile the kernel and some other stuff
> > (links, lftp, vim, openssl+openssh) overall i would
> > say a very good experience....
> > 
> > i am having some problems with LILO and OpenSSH i will
> > spam you guys more know once i have more info..
> 
>  As for the OpenSSH thing, I'd suggest adding "--with-md5-passwords" to
> your variables when running ./configure.  That's one annoying detail I've
> run into installing OpenSSH on Slackware -- OpenSSH assumes that unless
> the system has PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) support, it doesn't
> use MD5 passwords.  Veeery annoying.  And on systems that *do* use PAM
> (i.e. RedHat), you have to copy the sshd.pam file in the contrib directory
> to /etc/pam.d/sshd or wherever.
>  Look at it this way: When I discovered this minor fluke, I was installing
> OpenSSH on a 486/25, I believe.  (Not mine.)  Boy, did that compile take a
> long time.
>  (I'd say this is a pretty good guess for having no details aside from the
> distribution. ;)
>  Hope this helps.
> 
>      Jima
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 12:26:30 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IBM WorkPad z50
Message-ID: <20010312122630.C95958@acm.cs.umn.edu>

Well, since people have a bunch of hardware to get rid of, I thought I'd
try to peddle my stuff too :)

I've got an IBM WorkPad z50 that I bought around a year ago (maybe 15
months ago).  If you're not familiar with the z50, it's a neat little
palm-top type machine.  It's technically a "laptop companion".  Check out
the specs on page 4 of this document.

ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/wbook.pdf

My WorkPad is fully loaded.  I've added a Kingston 32MB RAM upgrade (making
it 48 total), a Linksys 10BaseT ethernet card, and a 128 MB SanDisk flash
card.

Currently, the z50's with 32 MB upgrade are going for $150-200 on Ebay.  I
bought mine brand new and have maybe used it a total of 2 days.  They're
actually slick little machines.  As soon as I got a flashcard for it, I
formatted the card with UFS and installed NetBSD on it
(http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcmips/).  There's actually even a Xserver
for it, but I haven't tried it.

I'm asking $300/bo for it.  Half of that is the flash card.  If you're
interested at all, or have any questions, please email me off list.

Gabe

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From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 12:29:21 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] linux redhat 7.0 updates?
Message-ID: <20010312182921.5469.qmail@web9610.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been unable to download updates for redhat 7.0
from redhat.com.

Anybody know where else I can go for these?

Scott

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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar 12 12:49:12 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50722@mail2.ROG.COM>

You might want to try here :
ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/updates/

Also in you do a google search on the lib you want, you might find other
resources to download it.  I used this technique and it worked very well for
me.

another resource is rpmfind.net

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dagastino [mailto:scottdagastino@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:15 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates


Hello all,
I just installed 7.0 redhat from cd and tried to
download update files from redhat.com for 7.0.  I was
unable to download due to mislocation of updated rpms
at the site.

Does anyone know someone else I can get the updated
gclib rpms?

Scott	

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 13:31:20 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] linux redhat 7.0 updates?
In-Reply-To: <20010312182921.5469.qmail@web9610.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:29:21AM -0800
References: <20010312182921.5469.qmail@web9610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010312133120.D95958@acm.cs.umn.edu>

All redhat updates are distributed from updates.redhat.com.

Gabe

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:29:21AM -0800, Scott Dagastino wrote:
> I have been unable to download updates for redhat 7.0
> from redhat.com.
> 
> Anybody know where else I can go for these?
> 
> Scott
> 
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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Mon Mar 12 13:13:17 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates
References: <20010312181515.94047.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AAD1FAD.B8C6EA55@eetc.com>

There site is mirrored all over the place.  Just look at one of the
mirror sites.
I know of a few that usually have good speeds.

metalab.unc.edu  -- FTP
sunsite.ualberta.ca -- FTP

sim

Scott Dagastino wrote:

> Hello all,
> I just installed 7.0 redhat from cd and tried to
> download update files from redhat.com for 7.0.  I was
> unable to download due to mislocation of updated rpms
> at the site.
>
> Does anyone know someone else I can get the updated
> gclib rpms?
>
> Scott


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 12 14:24:18 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095E2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

ftp.ou.edu 
ftp.cs.umn.edu

are also good.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@eetc.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:13 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.0 updates
> 
> 
> There site is mirrored all over the place.  Just look at one of the
> mirror sites.
> I know of a few that usually have good speeds.
> 
> metalab.unc.edu  -- FTP
> sunsite.ualberta.ca -- FTP
> 
> sim
> 
> Scott Dagastino wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > I just installed 7.0 redhat from cd and tried to
> > download update files from redhat.com for 7.0.  I was
> > unable to download due to mislocation of updated rpms
> > at the site.
> >
> > Does anyone know someone else I can get the updated
> > gclib rpms?
> >
> > Scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 12 15:20:40 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network mailing lists...
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095E3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Sorta OT, but someone on this list pointed me to the SunHELP mailing list
the other day.  Can someone point me towards a good Cisco oriented network
mailing list?  Maybe a good firewall list also?  

Thanks.

Jay

From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar 12 16:02:35 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network mailing lists...
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095E3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFIEKGCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

associate@groupstudy.com is the one I have been using for Cisco.  I don't
remember how I got onto it.
Check out groupstudy.com.


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:21 PM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: [TCLUG] network mailing lists...


Sorta OT, but someone on this list pointed me to the SunHELP mailing list
the other day.  Can someone point me towards a good Cisco oriented network
mailing list?  Maybe a good firewall list also?

Thanks.

Jay
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From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Mar 12 16:50:36 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: IBM & the Nazis
In-Reply-To: <20010312142036.79471.qmail@web10315.mail.yahoo.com>; from mtsqph@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:20:36AM -0800
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311161859.009e90f0@lenti.med.umn.edu> <20010312142036.79471.qmail@web10315.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010312165036.G7076@real-time.com>

ok, I enjoy moral debate, even if I don't always agree with other people. So
I'm about to shoot off my mouth. If this sort of thing bothers you; remember
that you have a 'd' key. Make appropriate use of it.

> 2. It counts even more if you are human and have a
> sense of morality.
	My sense of morality says that the Holocaust was a tragic event for
a great many people. However, my morality also says that the past is the
past; and agnoizing over it will make you bitter and hateful and sap your
sanity. Working to prevent tragic historical events from re-occurring, is a
far better way to honor the memory of the past, than pointing blame at the
sons of the sons of those who might have some guilt by association.

> 3. The complicity of IBM in supplying the Nazi machine
> with such data tracking methodologies is equal to
> being a partner in the mass extermination <snip>
	In this case, the words of Jesus "Dost thou blame the sword for the
hand that wields it?" spring sharply to mind.
	Especially since IBM today has almost no relation to the Evil Empire
of 10 years ago (too many people changed jobs, too much stock has changed
hands, too many products gone by the wayside); let alone Herman Hollerith's
Tabulating Machine Company. (My bad history says that International Buisness
Machines wasn't formed until 1948).
	If one wishes to look at balancing factors, what about IBM's work on
prosthetic limbs? during the 1950s, my grandfather worked with IBM on the 
development of the 'electrical arm', one of the first powered prostheses for
amputees. I'm sure one can find other examples of things that IBM has done
which have benefitted humankind. Sure, they did it for profit; that's what
companies do. They probably charged the Germans through the nose for those
tabulating machines, too.
	
	If one took a close look at Japanese companies, I'm sure there's a
great deal of hidden guilt there, in some people's eyes. Just about
everybody is guilty of something; by commission, omission, or association. I
prefer to judge based on the present and predicted future, rather than the
distant past.

Carl Soderstrom.

From dmonie at futurestat.com  Mon Mar 12 16:41:23 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Re: rants
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010312162036.009e6ec0@pop.goldengate.net>

Wow..... I didn't think that my passing thoughts (i.e. rants) would elicit 
more replies than my actual Linux questions. That said and realizing that 
this is way off topic, I still feel the urge to say something.

Philip, I never said that the IBM-Nazi connection was true, nor was I 
upholding the publicity as proof. I was simply expressing my shock that Liz 
hadn't heard of it yet.

grey, I'm glad I touched you but that was not the point (it's a rant, there 
is no real point).

I think Munir hit it right on the nose and I respect him for that. Look at 
the Israel-Palestine conflict. That's what happens when you don't let old 
animosity die.


- Dileep


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Mar 12 18:02:25 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla-nightly on debian?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103121800530.8760-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Thanks for the people who answered my --o kernel thing - it works now and
I must say I'm slightly impressed with debian (:

Anyone manage to get Mozilla nightly builds on it? I'm DLing the thing and
it's segfaulting and not finding libraries during install.


-Yaron

--


From jack at jacku.com  Mon Mar 12 19:33:29 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: IBM & the Nazis
In-Reply-To: <20010312165036.G7076@real-time.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311161859.009e90f0@lenti.med.umn.edu> <20010312142036.79471.qmail@web10315.mail.yahoo.com> <20010312165036.G7076@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <01031219332900.01225@geezer>

On Monday 12 March 2001 16:50, you wrote:
<snip> 
> 	If one took a close look at Japanese companies, I'm sure there's a
> great deal of hidden guilt there, in some people's eyes. Just about
> everybody is guilty of something; by commission, omission, or association.
> I prefer to judge based on the present and predicted future, rather than
> the distant past.
>

My father used to work for Sony and teach Marketing at NYU at night. There 
was a book on his shelf I always meant to read called "From Those Wonderful 
Folks that Gave You Pearl Harbor..."  About how many of the great military 
corporations of wartime Japan became consumer industrial companies. 

As far as IBM is concerned, if you now or have ever in the past owned a 
Volkswagon then complaining about IBM borders on hypocracy. It amounts to 
holding gun companies responsible for the actions of outlaws. While I might 
agree it has merit there are many reasonable people who think otherwise.

Jack 

From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar 12 19:44:40 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103121931050.3203-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

I've been asking around on IRC and the Debian-users list, but I haven't had
any really helpful help. :-(

I've posted previously that I have a brand spankin' new Compaq DL380 sitting
in the rack at school just begging to have Debian installed on it. I'm
apparently having trouble with the Debian installer recognizing all of the
hardware. I'm hoping that someone could give me some solid ideas about what
to do next. Here's what happens and what I've tried.

What happens:
I boot the Debian rescue floppy and insert the root floppy. Once the
installer kicks in, I configure the keyboard and in the next step, the
installer recognizes that it didn't find everything and asks me to insert a
floppy containing modules to preload. I have no such floppy, and I'm not
sure how to create one.

What I've tried:
1. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem so I checked to see if
RedHat 6.2 would install. (It's one of their officially supported
distros.) It installed like a dream and seems to run fine. Now I have
nothing really against RedHat, but I've become quite a fan of Debian lately
and APT alone is enough for me to want to put Debian on this thing. I've
enclosed the dmesg from the RedHat boot below for your perusing pleasure.

2. Following the directions on the Debian rescue floppy, I built a new
2.2.18 kernel and included Compaq Smart2 support (the RAID controller) and
drivers for the each of the two SCSI chipsets that might be on the
machine. I replaced the stock rescue kernel with the new one, ran the rdev
script, and booted. The array was detected, the NIC recognized, and
everything seemed OK except that I got the exact same behavior as
before--the installer couldn't find a H.D.

3. I aacrificed three chickens and sprinkled the blood on the server
rack. No effect.

Any suggestions?

-Tim

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:24:02 -0600
From: root <root@localhost.localdomain>
To: wilson@visi.com

Linux version 2.2.14-5.0 (root@porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1 Tue Mar 7 21:07:39 EST 2000
relocating initrd image:
    initrd_start:0xc0fa0000    initrd_end:0xc0fff34a
    mem_start:0xc026c000    mem_end:0xe8000000
    initrd_size:0x0005f34a     dest:0xe7fa0000
Detected 930435860 Hz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 927.33 BogoMIPS
Memory: 646600k/655360k available (1060k kernel code, 416k reserved, 6836k data, 64k init, 0k bigmem)
Dentry hash table entries: 262144 (order 9, 2048k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 524288 (order 9, 2048k)
Page cache hash table entries: 262144 (order 8, 1024k)
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized
CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06
Enabling extended fast FPU save and restore...done.
Not enabling KNI unmasked exception support
Exception 19 error handler not integrated yet
Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0084
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: 00:00 [1166/0009]: Scanning peer host bridges
PCI: Scanning RCC HE/LE Peer Bus Bridge 00/00
PCI: 00:01 [1166/0009]: Scanning peer host bridges
PCI: Scanning RCC HE/LE Peer Bus Bridge 00/01
PCI: Device 00:00 not found by BIOS
PCI: Device 00:01 not found by BIOS
PCI: Device 00:78 not found by BIOS
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 524288 bhash 65536)
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd v 1.5 
Detected PS/2 Mouse Port.
Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
apm: BIOS not found.
Real Time Clock Driver v1.09
RAM disk driver initialized:  16 RAM disks of 4096K size
PCI_IDE: unknown IDE controller on PCI bus 00 device 79, VID=1166, DID=0211
PCI_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
    ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2c00-0x2c07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
    ide1: BM-DMA at 0x2c08-0x2c0f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
hda: CD-224E, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
hda: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache
Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.56
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MAX_REAL=12
raid5: measuring checksumming speed
raid5: KNI detected, trying cache-avoiding KNI checksum routine
   pIII_kni  :  1765.173 MB/sec
raid5: MMX detected, trying high-speed MMX checksum routines
   pII_mmx   :  2163.318 MB/sec
   p5_mmx    :  2299.716 MB/sec
   8regs     :  1600.200 MB/sec
   32regs    :   910.590 MB/sec
using fastest function: pIII_kni (1765.173 MB/sec)
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
md.c: sizeof(mdp_super_t) = 4096
Partition check:
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
autodetecting RAID arrays
autorun ...
... autorun DONE.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
cpqarray: Device 1000 has been found at 0 8
Compaq SMART2 Driver (v 1.0.6)
Found 1 controller(s)
cpqarray: Finding drives on ida0 (Integrated Array)
cpqarray ida/c0d0: blksz=512 nr_blks=35553120
cpqarray: Starting firmware's background processing
 ida/c0d0: ida/c0d0p1 ida/c0d0p2 < ida/c0d0p5 ida/c0d0p6 > ida/c0d0p3
autodetecting RAID arrays
autorun ...
... autorun DONE.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 64k freed
Adding Swap: 526296k swap-space (priority -1)
eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/eepro100.html
eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.18 $ 1999/12/29 Modified by Andrey V. Savochkin <saw@msu.ru>
eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet at 0xe885d000, 00:02:A5:28:91:94, IRQ 11.
  Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
  Board assembly 010101-034, Physical connectors present: RJ45
  Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
  General self-test: passed.
  Serial sub-system self-test: passed.
  Internal registers self-test: passed.
  ROM checksum self-test: passed (0x04f4518b).


From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net  Mon Mar 12 20:21:43 2001
From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl stuff
In-Reply-To: <20010311104819.A665@vm-lvm>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com> <20010310130123.Q1555@ringworld.org> <20010311104819.A665@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <200103130221.f2D2Lrx28818@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

I am running Progeny Debian (the latest release) and whenever i install
things i get perl warnings.  It doesn't seem to affect how anything runs,
but it is annoying to have the message pop up all the time.  I don't know
anything about perl, so i'm lost on this one.  

"perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
	LANGUAGE = (unset),
	LC_ALL = (unset),
	LANG = "c"
    are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")."

any ideas?

thanks, 
Kremer

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 20:58:28 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MONITORS
In-Reply-To: <3AACD059.1658B480@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103122056550.20847-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote:

> I used to repair computers and TV's as a side business - I had a huge old TV  on
> my bench (actually it was probably a 20", but we are talking 20 years ago), and
> I had noticed one small thing wrong that would probably fix the problem with
> the TV, but it required reaching in right along the tube.  I decided to go
> for it, and had my hand a ways in when I felt that tingling feeling... I started
> to pull my hand out fast, and was hit with a big blue spark.  My arm spasmed
> and I hit myself in the face with my fist so hard I knocked myself across the
> room.  About 2 hours later I had matching bruises on the back of my hand and
> my cheek and chin.
> 
> I tell my son the only person to ever knock me out with their fist was me...

I guess that's for those who wonder why they said "take off rings and
jewelry, and keep your left hand in your pocket when working on HV."

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Mar 12 21:11:18 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] More FS stuff:Monitor
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122106420.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok, in the spirit of everyone selling stuff. I've got a 17" monitor - it's
a noname brand, and is getting kinda blurry. If you're not sensitive to
monitor headaches (it actually does a decent refresh) it's not bad. Anyone
want to give me like $100 for it? either pickup in shoreview or we can
talk.

Anyone think we need a tclug-FS list? (?


-Yaron

--


From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Mon Mar 12 20:33:35 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl stuff
In-Reply-To: <200103130221.f2D2Lrx28818@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from thekremer@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:21:43PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103092311180.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <200103101355.f2ADtdl13125@sprite.real-time.com> <20010310130123.Q1555@ringworld.org> <20010311104819.A665@vm-lvm> <200103130221.f2D2Lrx28818@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <20010312203335.A10019@mn.rr.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:21:43PM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote:
> I am running Progeny Debian (the latest release) and whenever i install
> things i get perl warnings.  It doesn't seem to affect how anything runs,
> but it is annoying to have the message pop up all the time.  I don't know
> anything about perl, so i'm lost on this one.  

It looks like a locale problem, not a Perl one.  Have you tried
doing a 'man locale', and researching what locale settings are
available to tweak?

> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

Or searching AltaVista, or Google for that matter?  Lots of juicy
stuff there.


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 21:13:42 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103121931050.3203-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103122104570.20847-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> What happens:
> I boot the Debian rescue floppy and insert the root floppy. Once the
> installer kicks in, I configure the keyboard and in the next step, the
> installer recognizes that it didn't find everything and asks me to insert a
> floppy containing modules to preload. I have no such floppy, and I'm not
> sure how to create one.

Hi, Tim,

I have only the following suggestion:

On either the CDs or an ftp site, look for

/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/

Substitue whatever distribution you use for potato.  If current doesn't
pan out, see what's in main/disks-i386.  Look for a file called
drivers.tgz.  I think this has what you want.  If not, look for drivers
floppy images.

Sorry if this was obvious stuff.

Cheers,
Phil

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 21:40:05 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] moral discussions
In-Reply-To: <200103130229.f2D2TBl10847@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010313034005.67739.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>

ahem, funny you should mention that, Palestine is
where i am from originaly.. . (and before you ask, no
i didnt throw stones or anyting of that sort...)

 -munir

> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:41:23 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: "Dileep D. Monie" <dmonie@futurestat.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Re: rants
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Wow..... I didn't think that my passing thoughts
> (i.e. rants) would elicit 
> more replies than my actual Linux questions. That
> said and realizing that 
> this is way off topic, I still feel the urge to say
> something.
> 
> Philip, I never said that the IBM-Nazi connection
> was true, nor was I 
> upholding the publicity as proof. I was simply
> expressing my shock that Liz 
> hadn't heard of it yet.
> 
> grey, I'm glad I touched you but that was not the
> point (it's a rant, there 
> is no real point).
> 
> I think Munir hit it right on the nose and I respect
> him for that. Look at 
> the Israel-Palestine conflict. That's what happens
> when you don't let old 
> animosity die.
> 
> 
> - Dileep


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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar 12 21:43:41 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103122104570.20847-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103122141430.9892-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> On either the CDs or an ftp site, look for
> 
> /dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/
> 
> Substitue whatever distribution you use for potato.  If current doesn't
> pan out, see what's in main/disks-i386.  Look for a file called
> drivers.tgz.  I think this has what you want.  If not, look for drivers
> floppy images.

I've got the driver disks. I can't even get to the point where the installer
asks for the driver disks. The installer seems to be looking for very basic
drivers that would allow access to the H.D., for example. I can't find any
information about what format this "preloading disk" should take.

-Tim

--
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From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar 12 22:06:45 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PPP: dial-in issues
References: <3AACABD5.7168192A@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3AAD9CD5.6E793948@mninter.net>

Whoohoo!  Okay for whatever reason, my ISDN terminal adapter decided to
work.  Must've been the power cycling, disconnecting the ISDN line, and
resetting the defaults on it.  Either that, or it was the threat of the
skeet range that got it going.  Either way, thanks to those who had
suggestions on this.

I can get it to dial and connect in 64k single mode.  Now, need to figure
out my modem commands to allow me to multi-link it and get 128k+ or higher
with compression.  Also, need to get DHCP and IP Masquerading/Forwarding
going as well....


Shawn


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Mar 12 22:00:46 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] moral discussions
In-Reply-To: <20010313034005.67739.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122158200.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:

> ahem, funny you should mention that, Palestine is
> where i am from originaly.. . (and before you ask, no
> i didnt throw stones or anyting of that sort...)

I'm from there originally too, except from the side that's called Israel.
And no, I didn't shoot protestors. But I did have friends killed by
terrorists.

> > Look at the Israel-Palestine conflict. That's what happens when you
> > don't let old animosity die.

I wholeheatedly agree with that. Most people on both sides don't even
remember what their fighting about. I'm glad I left. The karma in that
whole region is HORRIBLE.


-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Mar 12 22:15:34 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122214560.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

So, anyone know offhand what the diff is between a Cisco 675 and a Cisco
677? Are they highly incompatible or something?


-Yaron

--


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 22:25:26 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] funky characters
In-Reply-To: <200103130229.f2D2TBl10847@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010313042526.68743.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>

cool, it worked thanks guys...
(compiling with the MD5 option didn't, i probably id
something wrong)

lets see, i think LILO works fine now (i am not in a
mood to reboot the server, hehehe)

question: (you must be sick of me by now, promise to
buy you a round of beer once i can ;-)) ever cat a
binary file? looks ugly doesnt it? not how do i fix
that?

if you dont know what i am talking about try 
cd /etc
cat mount

i now have 2 ttys that are unreadable, maybe i should
restart after all, (BTW: some distros fix that if you
logout)

 -munir

> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:17:02 -0600
> From: Eric Stanley <barnabas@knicknack.net>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SAMBA, and other stuff
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Actually, there are Slackware packages available for
> OpenSSH.  It
> might be just as easy to grab them from the ftp
> site.  You want
> ossllibs.tgz, openssl.tgz and openssh.tgz.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:05:46AM -0600, Jima
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > 
> > > Ok, i banished Mandrake from my server forever
> and
> > > replaced it with Slackware, worked like a
> charm...
> > > 
> > > samba is up and running no problems
> whatsoever... i
> > > was able to recompile the kernel and some other
> stuff
> > > (links, lftp, vim, openssl+openssh) overall i
> would
> > > say a very good experience....
> > > 
> > > i am having some problems with LILO and OpenSSH
> i will
> > > spam you guys more know once i have more info..
> > 
> >  As for the OpenSSH thing, I'd suggest adding
> "--with-md5-passwords" to
> > your variables when running ./configure.  That's
> one annoying detail I've
> > run into installing OpenSSH on Slackware --
> OpenSSH assumes that unless
> > the system has PAM (Pluggable Authentication
> Modules) support, it doesn't
> > use MD5 passwords.  Veeery annoying.  And on
> systems that *do* use PAM
> > (i.e. RedHat), you have to copy the sshd.pam file
> in the contrib directory
> > to /etc/pam.d/sshd or wherever.
> >  Look at it this way: When I discovered this minor
> fluke, I was installing
> > OpenSSH on a 486/25, I believe.  (Not mine.)  Boy,
> did that compile take a
> > long time.
> >  (I'd say this is a pretty good guess for having
> no details aside from the
> > distribution. ;)
> >  Hope this helps.
> > 
> >      Jima


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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 22:40:35 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] funky characters
References: <20010313042526.68743.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AADA4C3.DB461302@tc.umn.edu>

Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> question: (you must be sick of me by now, promise to
> buy you a round of beer once i can ;-)) ever cat a
> binary file? looks ugly doesnt it? not how do i fix
> that?

`reset'  The command, not the button.  It's part of the ncurses package
on RedHat, not sure about other distros.

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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 12 22:58:50 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122214560.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <003501c0ab7a$4b590960$0100a8c0@cascade>

I didn't know there was a 677.  I am aware of the 675 and the 678.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yaron" <jethro@freakzilla.com>
To: "TCLUG" <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers


>   Hi,
> 
> So, anyone know offhand what the diff is between a Cisco 675 and a Cisco
> 677? Are they highly incompatible or something?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 12 22:58:50 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122214560.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <003501c0ab7a$4b590960$0100a8c0@cascade>

I didn't know there was a 677.  I am aware of the 675 and the 678.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yaron" <jethro@freakzilla.com>
To: "TCLUG" <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers


>   Hi,
> 
> So, anyone know offhand what the diff is between a Cisco 675 and a Cisco
> 677? Are they highly incompatible or something?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Mar 12 23:23:19 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
In-Reply-To: <003501c0ab7a$4b590960$0100a8c0@cascade>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103122322330.10196-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

> I didn't know there was a 677.  I am aware of the 675 and the 678.

It's not at all impossible that there isn't one. FrontierNet didn't really
sound like they had a clue...

-Yaron

--


From kbullock at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 01:21:19 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl stuff
In-Reply-To: <200103130221.f2D2Lrx28818@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103122121230.31216-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Justin Kremer wrote:

> I am running Progeny Debian (the latest release) and whenever i install
> things i get perl warnings.  It doesn't seem to affect how anything runs,
> but it is annoying to have the message pop up all the time.  I don't know
> anything about perl, so i'm lost on this one.  

Scott says to add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://archive.progeny.com/ progeny-updates/

Then do an upgrade, and see if it helps.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 13 01:22:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095EB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

The 677 doesn't work with Qwest DSL.  Someone I work with got one cheap, and
it wouldn't train up, no matter what he did with it.

Maybe it's PPPoE or something?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:23 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco DSL routers
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> 
> > I didn't know there was a 677.  I am aware of the 675 and the 678.
> 
> It's not at all impossible that there isn't one. FrontierNet 
> didn't really
> sound like they had a clue...
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 01:50:05 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103121931050.3203-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:44:40PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103121931050.3203-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010313015005.B673@ringworld.org>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010312 20:24]:
> 2. Following the directions on the Debian rescue floppy, I built a new
> 2.2.18 kernel and included Compaq Smart2 support (the RAID controller) and
> drivers for the each of the two SCSI chipsets that might be on the
> machine. I replaced the stock rescue kernel with the new one, ran the rdev
> script, and booted. The array was detected, the NIC recognized, and
> everything seemed OK except that I got the exact same behavior as
> before--the installer couldn't find a H.D.
> Compaq SMART2 Driver (v 1.0.6)
> Found 1 controller(s)
> cpqarray: Finding drives on ida0 (Integrated Array)
> cpqarray ida/c0d0: blksz=512 nr_blks=35553120
> cpqarray: Starting firmware's background processing
>  ida/c0d0: ida/c0d0p1 ida/c0d0p2 < ida/c0d0p5 ida/c0d0p6 > ida/c0d0p3
> autodetecting RAID arrays
> autorun ...
> ... autorun DONE.

First, do what i did and read the bug against the installer, 90 days
old.  I'm doubting it will be fixed because the push for a new install
system is in full force. :|

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78981&repeatmerged=yes

Good luck!

-- 
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From barnabas at knicknack.net  Tue Mar 13 05:50:15 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] funky characters
In-Reply-To: <3AADA4C3.DB461302@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:40:35PM -0600
References: <20010313042526.68743.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <3AADA4C3.DB461302@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010313055015.A23871@knicknack.net>

You might also try 'stty sane'.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:40:35PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote:
> Munir Nassar wrote:
> > 
> > question: (you must be sick of me by now, promise to
> > buy you a round of beer once i can ;-)) ever cat a
> > binary file? looks ugly doesnt it? not how do i fix
> > that?
> 
> `reset'  The command, not the button.  It's part of the ncurses package
> on RedHat, not sure about other distros.
> 
> -- 
>  _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   I doubt - therefore I 
> / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   might be 
> \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)                             
> [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 13 07:33:15 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103122141430.9892-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103130726250.13732-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> > On either the CDs or an ftp site, look for
> > 
> > /dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/
> > 
> > Substitue whatever distribution you use for potato.  If current doesn't
> > pan out, see what's in main/disks-i386.  Look for a file called
> > drivers.tgz.  I think this has what you want.  If not, look for drivers
> > floppy images.
> 
> I've got the driver disks. I can't even get to the point where the installer
> asks for the driver disks. The installer seems to be looking for very basic
> drivers that would allow access to the H.D., for example. I can't find any
> information about what format this "preloading disk" should take.

Oh, sorry!  So I assume you've tried installing from floppies to force the
modules / drivers to come from the right source.

Try the debian-boot maillist, too.  The guys that wrote the code will
answer your question.  You could also try the Debian Mailing List
Archives.

You knew all that, though.  My only excuse for the lame suggestions is
that I've been doing tech-support for my 2 year old's Playschool
flashlight all morning, i.e., 

	"Turn the switch.  *Now* press the button...",

	"Nothing happened, daddy."

	"OK, press harder."

	"Oooooh."

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 13 08:52:08 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095EE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I need to set up a radius server at a remote site for a VPN box.  The users
need to authenticate against their NT domain.  I don't have access to any of
the NT boxes, but I do have access to a linux box with Samba on it.  If I
set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can get the NT admin
there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to run a RADIUS server
on it that will authenticate against the domain?

How would I go about this?  

Jay

From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Mar 13 10:22:47 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095EE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:52:08AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095EE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010313102247.G10945@real-time.com>

> set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can get the NT admin
> there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to run a RADIUS server
> on it that will authenticate against the domain?
> 
> How would I go about this?  

cistron-radius will authenticate against PAM; so if you can get PAM to work
against Samba (no clue about this myself), it should work.

only problem with authenticating against PAM is that the RADIUS daemon has
to run as root, because only root can access PAM (tho I think there's a way
to use a SUID program called 'userhelper' to allow user-level programs to
use PAM).

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From TGustafson at empi.com  Tue Mar 13 07:42:02 2001
From: TGustafson at empi.com (TGustafson@empi.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
Message-ID: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>

It is the U of M Super Computer Building by 35W and Washington Ave in Mpls.
NOT by the State Fair!
It is gray with red trim.  Park on the top level of the ramp.  There is no
charge after hours.

Todd Gustafson



                                                                                                                
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                    Sent by:                       cc:     amy@real-time.com, tclug-announce@mn-linux.org,      
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                    -linux.org                     Subject:     Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month      
                                                   Meeting                                                      
                                                                                                                
                    03-09-2001 03:43 PM                                                                         
                    Please respond to amy                                                                       
                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                




On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:31:03PM -0600, okeefe@sistina.com
(okeefe@sistina.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:20:59PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
> > Based on the survey we did not long ago, it looks like we will have
enough
> > demand to support a mid-month TCLUG meeting.  So, we've scheduled the
> > first one to happen this month.  Here are the details:
> >
> > Date:  Wed, 3/21
> > Time: 7-9pm
> > Topic: Linux for the IBM S/390 Mainframe
> > Presenter: Steven Logreira, IBM
> >
> >
>
> Amy, what building is this on campus?

No clue - Todd Gustafson arranged the location.  Todd?

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar 13 10:54:16 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095EE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010313102247.G10945@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AAE50B8.F40ACC1C@ltiflex.com>

Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> 
> > set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can get the NT admin
> > there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to run a RADIUS server
> > on it that will authenticate against the domain?
> >
> > How would I go about this?
> 

From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 10:56:48 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>; from TGustafson@empi.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600
References: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>
Message-ID: <20010313105647.E673@ringworld.org>

* TGustafson@empi.com <TGustafson@empi.com> [010313 10:31]:
> It is the U of M Super Computer Building by 35W and Washington Ave in Mpls.

See, now your really confusing the issue. :)

Do you mean the West Bank Office Building(WBOB), or the place where NetworkCS
and the Minnesota Supercomputer Institute live, which are both in the
same area.  (The tall, 8 floor building, or a 2 or 3 floor building?)

-- 
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 13 11:25:30 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>; from TGustafson@empi.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600
References: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>
Message-ID: <20010313112530.C1918@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600, TGustafson@empi.com wrote:
> 
> It is the U of M Super Computer Building by 35W and Washington Ave in Mpls.
> NOT by the State Fair!
> It is gray with red trim.  Park on the top level of the ramp.  There is no
> charge after hours.
> 
> Todd Gustafson
> 
Wrong.  The Supercomputing Institute is at 1200 Washington Ave.  I think
you're referring to WBOB (the West Bank Office Building).

Gabe
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Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 13 11:56:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Hrm.  Ok...  I think I convinced the remote sysadmin to find a RADIUS server
for NT and just install that (it's NT, not 2000).  2000 comes with IAS which
handles all the RADIUS stuff, NT doesn't.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:54 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
> 
> 
> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> > 
> > > set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can 
> get the NT admin
> > > there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to 
> run a RADIUS server
> > > on it that will authenticate against the domain?
> > >
> > > How would I go about this?
> > 
> 
> From memory, SAMBA cannot act as a BDC for an NT domain. The 
> only way to get
> a UNIX box serving in this fashion is on Solaris as Sun 
> somehow managed to
> license and port the NT Domain controller ports to Solaris. 
> The package is
> still available from Sun's website, but it is unsupported and 
> unmaintained.
> I've heard it's pretty slick though.
> 
> > cistron-radius will authenticate against PAM; so if you can 
> get PAM to work
> > against Samba (no clue about this myself), it should work.
> 
> That's no biggie. See pam-smb-auth and/or pam-ntdom. The 
> former is stable,
> last time I checked the latter was rather developmental. With 
> pam-smb-auth
> you will need to create users on your linux box. You might be 
> able to get
> around this with pam-ntdom.
> 
> Someone might have hacked together an Active Directory PAM 
> module now (or
> maybe updated kerberos/ldap clients/modules to handle AD...)
> 
> Configuring the above modules isn't a big issue either. Just 
> create a config
> file with the name of the domain controller.
> 
> The last option I can think of (and a sad one at that...) is 
> that Windows
> 2000 supports RADIUS. Sometimes the only way to deal with NT 
> is NT. (Well, I
> guess there's always a rocket launcher, so there are always 
> two ways to deal
> with NT.)
> 
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From clay at fandre.com  Tue Mar 13 12:04:02 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] autofs and smbfs
Message-ID: <3AAE6112.A6FB071E@fandre.com>

Anyone automounting smbfs shares from a NT system via autofs? I can
mount the share using the mount command:
server:/# mount -t smbfs -o guest //fusion-00/windocs /mnt
server:/# ls /mnt
CD Source  My Music  My Pictures  My Videos  My Webs  bootptab.txt
server:/var/log#

But it won't mount via automounter. Here's the error in syslog:
Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[289]: attempting to mount entry
/var/www/webMount/My Music
Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[943]: lookup(file): looking up My Music
Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[943]: lookup(file): lookup for My Music
failed

server:/# cat /etc/auto.master
/var/www/webMount    /etc/auto.misc

server:/# cat /etc/auto.misc
webMount        -fstype=smbfs,guest      ://fusion-00/windows/

I'm running debian unstable, and samba-2.0.7. Any ideas?

From ben at nerp.net  Tue Mar 13 12:46:54 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] autofs and smbfs
In-Reply-To: <3AAE6112.A6FB071E@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131244330.18957-100000@chef>

umm.. wouldn't you want it to look like this

auto.master:
/mount	/etc/auto.mount

auto.mount:
webMount        -fstype=smbfs,guest      ://fusion-00/windows/

from what I can tell, it's trying to mount //fusion-00/windows/My\ Music,
which is great if you're using NFS, but not SMBfs

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> Anyone automounting smbfs shares from a NT system via autofs? I can
> mount the share using the mount command:
> server:/# mount -t smbfs -o guest //fusion-00/windocs /mnt
> server:/# ls /mnt
> CD Source  My Music  My Pictures  My Videos  My Webs  bootptab.txt
> server:/var/log#
>
> But it won't mount via automounter. Here's the error in syslog:
> Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[289]: attempting to mount entry
> /var/www/webMount/My Music
> Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[943]: lookup(file): looking up My Music
> Mar 13 12:00:52 server automount[943]: lookup(file): lookup for My Music
> failed
>
> server:/# cat /etc/auto.master
> /var/www/webMount    /etc/auto.misc
>
> server:/# cat /etc/auto.misc
> webMount        -fstype=smbfs,guest      ://fusion-00/windows/
>
> I'm running debian unstable, and samba-2.0.7. Any ideas?
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 10:56:48 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>; from TGustafson@empi.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600
References: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>
Message-ID: <20010313105647.E673@ringworld.org>

* TGustafson@empi.com <TGustafson@empi.com> [010313 10:31]:
> It is the U of M Super Computer Building by 35W and Washington Ave in Mpls.

See, now your really confusing the issue. :)

Do you mean the West Bank Office Building(WBOB), or the place where NetworkCS
and the Minnesota Supercomputer Institute live, which are both in the
same area.  (The tall, 8 floor building, or a 2 or 3 floor building?)

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 13 11:25:30 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OF0A77DFEB.19EEA7D0-ON86256A0E.004ACC4D@com>; from TGustafson@empi.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600
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Message-ID: <20010313112530.C1918@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:42:02AM -0600, TGustafson@empi.com wrote:
> 
> It is the U of M Super Computer Building by 35W and Washington Ave in Mpls.
> NOT by the State Fair!
> It is gray with red trim.  Park on the top level of the ramp.  There is no
> charge after hours.
> 
> Todd Gustafson
> 
Wrong.  The Supercomputing Institute is at 1200 Washington Ave.  I think
you're referring to WBOB (the West Bank Office Building).

Gabe
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From chuck at milams.net  Tue Mar 13 13:08:34 2001
From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20010313105647.E673@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131307370.7496-100000@localhost>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> See, now your really confusing the issue. :) Do you mean the West Bank
> Office Building(WBOB), or the place where NetworkCS and the Minnesota
> Supercomputer Institute live, which are both in the same area.  (The
> tall, 8 floor building, or a 2 or 3 floor building?)

Hey, when you guys get this figured out, you'll update the web page,
right?  I'm getting all confused here!

-- 
Chuck Milam
chuck@milams.net


From atebbe at real-time.com  Tue Mar 13 13:10:48 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] First TCLUG Mid-Month Meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131307370.7496-100000@localhost>; from chuck@milams.net on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 01:08:34PM -0600
References: <20010313105647.E673@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131307370.7496-100000@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010313131048.O10354@real-time.com>

i updated the website to say West Bank Office Building (WBOB) grey w/ 
red trim..

we could always rent one of those big spotlights so everyone can find
the place.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 01:08:34PM -0600, Chuck Milam (chuck@milams.net) wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> > See, now your really confusing the issue. :) Do you mean the West Bank
> > Office Building(WBOB), or the place where NetworkCS and the Minnesota
> > Supercomputer Institute live, which are both in the same area.  (The
> > tall, 8 floor building, or a 2 or 3 floor building?)
> 
> Hey, when you guys get this figured out, you'll update the web page,
> right?  I'm getting all confused here!
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Milam
> chuck@milams.net
> 

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From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com  Tue Mar 13 13:24:50 2001
From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F1FC@ipserver2.interplastic.com>

Jay,  Not really an answer, but a question.  We are looking at replacing our
NT radius box with a Linux radius box.  We were under the impression that
samba did not have the capability yet to be a BDC, am I mistaken?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Austad, Jay [SMTP:austad@marketwatch.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:52 AM
> To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject:	[TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
> 
> I need to set up a radius server at a remote site for a VPN box.  The
> users
> need to authenticate against their NT domain.  I don't have access to any
> of
> the NT boxes, but I do have access to a linux box with Samba on it.  If I
> set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can get the NT admin
> there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to run a RADIUS
> server
> on it that will authenticate against the domain?
> 
> How would I go about this?  
> 
> Jay

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar 13 13:30:59 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] autofs and smbfs
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131244330.18957-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <3AAE7573.16BE0637@ltiflex.com>

Mike looks like:

/etc/auto.master:
# $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $
# Sample auto.master file
# Format of this file:
# mountpoint map options
# For details of the format look at autofs(8).
#/var/autofs/misc       /etc/auto.misc
/mnt/domain            /etc/auto.domain

/etc/auto.domain
username         
-fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=pass,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=600,dmask=700,workgroup=domain,rw   
://fileserver/username

So to get to my Windows Home directory, cd /mnt/domain/username. Whee. Only
problem is that it throws my password into syslog. That's tweakable but I'm
lazy...

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 13 14:17:58 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Someone else posted that it couldn't, I haven't checked, but I'll take their
word for it.  I know it can be a PDC though.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com [mailto:RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
> 
> 
> Jay,  Not really an answer, but a question.  We are looking 
> at replacing our
> NT radius box with a Linux radius box.  We were under the 
> impression that
> samba did not have the capability yet to be a BDC, am I mistaken?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Austad, Jay [SMTP:austad@marketwatch.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:52 AM
> > To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject:	[TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
> > 
> > I need to set up a radius server at a remote site for a VPN 
> box.  The
> > users
> > need to authenticate against their NT domain.  I don't have 
> access to any
> > of
> > the NT boxes, but I do have access to a linux box with 
> Samba on it.  If I
> > set up the Samba box as a backup domain controller (I can 
> get the NT admin
> > there to make it a backup DC for me), is it possible to run a RADIUS
> > server
> > on it that will authenticate against the domain?
> > 
> > How would I go about this?  
> > 
> > Jay
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From: stevew at telcom.net (stevew@telcom.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Web Design Request
Message-ID: <200103132031.PAA26771@va1.telcom.net>

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 16:45:47 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] extremly off topic,
In-Reply-To: <200103130752.f2D7q1l17284@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010313224547.73386.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>

and i saw people getting shot by the IDF for no reason
what-so-ever other than existing, both sides have
bloody hands so lets not point fingers,

land of peace; yeah right, land of piss
holy land? only if you worship the devil....

i am truely sorry to say that, but i am so sick of the
whole thing. i get really homesick sometimes but when
i see the news...

anyways, back to linux: reset worked... YAY, no SAMBA
lockups yet, none are expected,
SSH works, goodbye telnet....
LILO, still untested... 
time to make a CD ghost image of the whole thing...

time for the next project i suppose;
getting linux machines to share a passwd file and a
/home directory of a server... (kindof a bit more than
a terminal/diskless workstation and less than a
standslone PC...)

i think i wasted enough bandwidth already...

 -munir

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:00:46 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] moral discussions
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> > ahem, funny you should mention that, Palestine is
> > where i am from originaly.. . (and before you ask,
> no
> > i didnt throw stones or anyting of that sort...)
> 
> I'm from there originally too, except from the side
> that's called Israel.
> And no, I didn't shoot protestors. But I did have
> friends killed by
> terrorists.
> 
> > > Look at the Israel-Palestine conflict. That's
> what happens when you
> > > don't let old animosity die.
> 
> I wholeheatedly agree with that. Most people on both
> sides don't even
> remember what their fighting about. I'm glad I left.
> The karma in that
> whole region is HORRIBLE.
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
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> 
> 
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 13 18:10:05 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages? There's
no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.


-Yaron

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 18:22:28 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010313182228.G673@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010313 18:18]:
> Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages? There's
> no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.

dselect, pick apt for access method, update, select.

Read the help, the keys in dselect, are. uh. with a learning curve.

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 18:22:28 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010313182228.G673@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010313 18:18]:
> Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages? There's
> no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.

dselect, pick apt for access method, update, select.

Read the help, the keys in dselect, are. uh. with a learning curve.

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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 13 18:26:46 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010313182646.A25022@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages? There's
> no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.

When I want a full list of packages, I use dselect, but if I were looking
specifically for qt include files, I'd try `apt-cache search qt | grep dev`.

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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Tue Mar 13 18:16:04 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] extremly off topic,
Message-ID: <010313181604.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

>time for the next project i suppose;
>getting linux machines to share a passwd file and a
>/home directory of a server... (kindof a bit more than
>a terminal/diskless workstation and less than a
>standslone PC...)

Since you have ssh running, I'd think sharing a password file is not a good
idea. Before putting ssh in, I used to run ftp on the password file to various
machines that I wanted to update. User home dirs were all the same for those
machines, but ~root was individual, as was all the os files, including passwd.
Scp could be used to distribute the file as well as doing pwconv, thus
hopefully keeping ipspoofing (nfs or whatever) out of the equation.

Apologies if I don't understand what you're really trying to do.

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 18:51:58 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Job posting
Message-ID: <20010314005158.49130.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

a while ago someone was asking for a job on this list,
well there is a job posting for a "Network Systems
Administrator" the pay is good, union job, guaranteed
job, but it is a Novell Shop...

anyways if any of you are interested, let me know

 -munir

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 13 19:19:19 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] passwd, home directories (was Re: extremly off topic,)
References: <20010313224547.73386.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AAEC717.A8F6C935@tc.umn.edu>

Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> time for the next project i suppose;
> getting linux machines to share a passwd file and a
> /home directory of a server... (kindof a bit more than
> a terminal/diskless workstation and less than a
> standslone PC...)

Well, that's exactly what NIS and NFS are designed for...

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From ben at nerp.net  Tue Mar 13 19:22:52 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <20010314005158.49130.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131921460.12534-100000@chef>

well, you said the 2 worst words you could ever say in a job posting to
this list.. "novell" and "union"
well.. atleast i'd say they're worse.. atleast you didn't say "NT" ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:

> a while ago someone was asking for a job on this list,
> well there is a job posting for a "Network Systems
> Administrator" the pay is good, union job, guaranteed
> job, but it is a Novell Shop...
>
> anyways if any of you are interested, let me know
>
>  -munir
>
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 13 19:32:16 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <20010313182646.A25022@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131931360.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> When I want a full list of packages, I use dselect, but if I were looking
> specifically for qt include files, I'd try `apt-cache search qt | grep dev`.

There we go, thanks.


-Yaron

--


From kbullock at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 20:20:21 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103132016040.818-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

> Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages? There's
> no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.

You can also check http://packages.debian.org/. That will give you a nice
search interface for all the official debian packages. Of course, it won't
give you the KDE packages if you're running potato, or any other external
package sources, but it's still useful.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From destef at destef.com  Tue Mar 13 20:24:33 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <3AACCE5C.7035414D@fandre.com>
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com>
 <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com>
Message-ID: <200103140223.f2E2Nou22130@destef.com>

How about 2 lines?

Reusable code...it makes C just as simple to crank out code as
scripts. It also keeps a good programmer's skills sharp by always
concentrating only on one language--and seperates the men from
the boyz when it comes to writing quility code. But for the lighthearted
I wouldn't recommend it because power=complexity.

#include <stdlib.h>
int main(int argc, char ** argv) { return (atoi(argv[1])<<4); }     /* x*16 */

Now that wasnt so bad was it?

cc -s -O3 bitshift.c

exe size if 3.1K and is much more of an efficient OS call that running
a perl script. But if you prefer scripting then fair enough since for
software developers coding vs. scripting is somewhat of a holy
war.

I'd like to see perl compilers that can compete with C--then I'd
be impressed.


At 07:25 AM 3/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Yes, but it's also like killing an ant with a hammer. A little overkill
>when you're doing basic bit-shifting.
>
>Sure, C might be able to do a LOT more than C, but why do you want to
>write 100 lines of code when you can do it in 4?
>
>Jason DeStefano wrote:
>> 
>> heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot faster too. :)
>> 
>> At 05:31 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yeah, its called "C".
>> >
>> >You mean "Perl".
>> >
>> >2.5.9 Shift Operators
>> >
>> >The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of the left argument
>> >shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
>> >the number of bits specified by the right argument. The arguments should
>> >be integers. For example:
>> >
>> >1 << 4;     # returns 16
>> >32 >> 4;    # returns 2
>> >
>> >Andy
>> >
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From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Tue Mar 13 20:48:40 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <200103140223.f2E2Nou22130@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:24:33PM -0600
References: <200103112304.f2BN4du19872@destef.com> <200103120459.f2C4xEu20388@destef.com> <3AACCE5C.7035414D@fandre.com> <200103140223.f2E2Nou22130@destef.com>
Message-ID: <20010313204840.A12971@mn.rr.com>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:24:33PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote:

> How about 2 lines?

Two lines is far too many, not to mention you have to compile
and run your executable, plus you need to recompile if you
ever want to change your shif?t.  How about a Perl command-line
script that does arbitrary right- and left-shifts?

 % perl -pe 's/(\d+) (-?\d+)/($2>0)?$1<<$2:$1>>-$2/e'
 10 1
 20
 10 -1
 5

Yeahhh.  You be wastin' disk space wit yo jiveass object files.


From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar 13 22:09:16 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] funky characters
In-Reply-To: <3AADA4C3.DB461302@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:40:35PM -0600
References: <20010313042526.68743.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <3AADA4C3.DB461302@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010313220916.A922@vm-lvm>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:40:35PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote:
>Munir Nassar wrote:
>> 
>> question: (you must be sick of me by now, promise to
>> buy you a round of beer once i can ;-)) ever cat a
>> binary file? looks ugly doesnt it? not how do i fix
>> that?

You don't. If you really wanna see it, use a hexeditor.

>
>`reset'  The command, not the button.  It's part of the ncurses package
>on RedHat, not sure about other distros.
>
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 13 23:39:05 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131921460.12534-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:22:52PM -0600
References: <20010314005158.49130.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131921460.12534-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010313233905.L673@ringworld.org>

* Ben Kochie <ben@nerp.net> [010313 19:26]:
> "union"

Yeah, think of that next time you see a peer at another place working at
cut-rate wages because they just dont know better.

Also, the university pays us based on a pay-scale that is comperable to
the scale negotiated by the unions at the univ for some reason.

-- 
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From ben at nerp.net  Wed Mar 14 00:00:42 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <20010313233905.L673@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103140000050.27972-100000@chef>

*shrug* i negotiated a decent salary, atleast it's good enough for what I
want.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Ben Kochie <ben@nerp.net> [010313 19:26]:
> > "union"
>
> Yeah, think of that next time you see a peer at another place working at
> cut-rate wages because they just dont know better.
>
> Also, the university pays us based on a pay-scale that is comperable to
> the scale negotiated by the unions at the univ for some reason.
>
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
>
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
>


From dd-b at dd-b.net  Wed Mar 14 00:12:00 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m2y9u8ubf3.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> Someone else posted that it couldn't, I haven't checked, but I'll take their
> word for it.  I know it can be a PDC though.  

Really?  How?  The Win machines at home are using share-level access
control because we don't have a PDC  in the house.  I'm already
running Samba, if I can get it to be my PDC  it would be handy.
-- 
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From dkleist at acm.org  Wed Mar 14 05:20:02 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
In-Reply-To: <m2y9u8ubf3.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 00:12:00 -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <m2y9u8ubf3.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
Message-ID: <20010314052002.A889@coder>

Here's the parms:

[global]
	workgroup=<your domain>
	domain logons = yes
	
	security = user

	os level = 34
	local master = yes
	preferred master = yes
	domain master = yes

[netlogon]
	comment = The domain logon service
	path = /export/samba/logon  # or whatever
	public = no
	writeable = no
	browsable = no

For NT Clients, you must also use the following:
[global]
	encrypted passwords = yes

For NT, you also need to create the trust account (machine name with a $
at the end (stick it in /etc/passwd, disabling the password)

You can use smbpasswd to set up initial passwords.  There are also
options for synchronizing the Linux account passwords with the Samba
passwords in smb.conf.  I've gotten all Win 9x clients (including ME) to
be domain users.  There should be a lot of info in smb.conf, also check
www.samba.org (I think that's the URL).  If you have Win2K clients,
you'll need Samba TNG or Samba 2.2 (I think both are still in
development stages though).

HTH,

   - Dave

On 2001.03.14 00:12:00 -0600 David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:
> 
> > word for it.  I know it can be a PDC though.  
> 
> Really?  How?  The Win machines at home are using share-level access
> control because we don't have a PDC  in the house.  I'm already
> running Samba, if I can get it to be my PDC  it would be handy.
> -- 
> 
-- 
Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From PhilScanla at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 06:58:07 2001
From: PhilScanla at aol.com (PhilScanla@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Please advise if you....
Message-ID: <89.3a399fc.27e0c4df@aol.com>

have Apple Laser Writer Pro cartridges available and the current price.


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 14 08:42:37 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <m2y9u8ubf3.fsf@gw.dd-b.net> <20010314052002.A889@coder>
Message-ID: <3AAF835D.1E1B2836@ltiflex.com>

> You can use smbpasswd to set up initial passwords.  There are also
> options for synchronizing the Linux account passwords with the Samba
> passwords in smb.conf.  I've gotten all Win 9x clients (including ME) to
> be domain users.  There should be a lot of info in smb.conf, also check
> www.samba.org (I think that's the URL).  If you have Win2K clients,
> you'll need Samba TNG or Samba 2.2 (I think both are still in
> development stages though).

Extra notes:
smbpasswd will create a separate account database. It is recommended that
when adding users the smb username is the same as their UNIX username. The
option to enable 
password synching will update the password in two places, /etc/passwd (or
shadow...) and /etc/samba/smbpasswd. This works when you change your
password from the Windows Passwords control panel applet (9x) or the
Security Manager (NT, whatever it's called, hit ctrl+alt+del while logged in
to NT). It does not work in reverse (changing your password using the passwd
command will not change your smbpasswd.) 

The domain controller support is Samba is not complete, but it is complete
enough to support everything 9x clients support. NT4 clients do work, but
there are a few limitations that I don't recall. Windows 2000 clients do not
work with the current domain controller code. (Current version of samba is
2.0.7 I believe.)

The developmental branches of samba do support Windows 2000, but the team
members don't guarantee the functionality, as it is still developmental. 

I'm unaware of the current state of the branches. At one point the samba
code was forked, one branch became what is considered the release version of
samba, the other branch became known as Samba-TNG. While the samba people
concentrated in optimizing samba for getting the best performance possible
out of their SMB protocol (SMB and good performance don't exactly go
together...) the TNG team concentrated on creating a domain controller. The
intent was that TNG would never be considered a stable release, and the
working domain controller code would become part of samba v3. 

Well, the two teams have some creative (among other...) differences and I
gave up following the discussions/arguments and am unaware of the whole
situation. Samba does a fine job serving files/printers and plays nice with
the NT domain, so I'm happy. 

If I'm wrong anywhere please post a polite correction.

--
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From wilson at visi.com  Wed Mar 14 09:03:51 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian guru wanted: server install ?s
In-Reply-To: <20010313015005.B673@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103140844310.7221-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010312 20:24]:
> > Compaq SMART2 Driver (v 1.0.6)
> > Found 1 controller(s)
> > cpqarray: Finding drives on ida0 (Integrated Array)
> > cpqarray ida/c0d0: blksz=512 nr_blks=35553120
> > cpqarray: Starting firmware's background processing
> >  ida/c0d0: ida/c0d0p1 ida/c0d0p2 < ida/c0d0p5 ida/c0d0p6 > ida/c0d0p3
> > autodetecting RAID arrays
> > autorun ...
> > ... autorun DONE.
> 
> First, do what i did and read the bug against the installer, 90 days
> old.  I'm doubting it will be fixed because the push for a new install
> system is in full force. :|
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78981&repeatmerged=yes

Thanks for the tip, Scott. I'll bet this will work, but I won't have time to
work on it until after school today. I used the Compaq system erase utility
to wipe the drives and get ready to install a fresh system. Now when I boot
the Debian floppy I only get the 

> > cpqarray ida/c0d0: blksz=512 nr_blks=35553120

not 

> > cpqarray: Starting firmware's background processing
> >  ida/c0d0: ida/c0d0p1 ida/c0d0p2 < ida/c0d0p5 ida/c0d0p6 > ida/c0d0p3

Presumably, this is because the system isn't yet partitioned. My plan,
then, would be to create the devices in /dev/ida manually anyway
assuming that they'll be needed later. Correct? (This is according to
the bug report cited.)

This leads me to another question. How should I partition this beast?
The server will mainly be doing listserv and http serving. I'll be using
Zope which I'll compile from source. The Debian Zope package puts it in
/var/lib, but I'll probably put it in /usr/local. The Zope files could
potentially grow pretty large. Several GBs would probably be a good
starting point. I may also put PostgreSQL on this machine someday. Debian 
puts the html files in /var/www.

The system is a 933 MHz PIII w/ 640 MB RAM and two 18 GB SCSI disks in a
RAID1 configuration (straight mirroring).

Should I leave some of the disk unpartitioned?

What would the professional admins in the group recommend?

-Tim

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar 14 09:33:43 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...
Message-ID: <3AAF8F4E.BC00D055@eetc.com>

I have installed Trustix 1.2 on my machine and was wondering if anyone
has ever tried to install Xwindows on this distro?  I know it isn't
built for a GUI but I thought it would be cool to try.  Anyone ever
tried this?

sim


From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed Mar 14 09:39:53 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103140934130.843-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

I've got a sendmail server that I've given heavy firewalling through
IPchains.  Apparently it was too heavy, because now sendmail won't work at
all.  I've got:

ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 80 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 110 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 6667 -j ACCEPT

and sendmail was firewalled out.  After consulting the book "linux
firewalls", I was reminded that e-mail uses some ports > 1023 (at least
Groupwise does, so it made sense) so now I've got:

ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp -s 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 -d any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s 12.27.41.52 25 -d any/0 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 1024:65535 -d 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT

and it's still firewalled out.  Any ideas?  Sendmail works 100% when I
ipchains -F.

-Brian


From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 14 10:39:28 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109605@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Your output chain should have a default of ACCEPT, so you shouldn't need
those output chains...

Try changing those rules to:
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 -d 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 12.27.41.52 -j ACCEPT

I removed the 1024:65535 in each rule.  I don't think it's guaranteed that
the source ports will be above 1024...  You'd be better off if you moved to
kernel 2.4 and used the stateful firewalling, would make your rules simpler
and it's more secure.  You really don't need any ip chains rules unless you
are blocking specific IP's, just make sure you are only running services
that you mean to be world accessible.  My mailservers that I have outside
the firewall don't have ipchains running, they only have an smtp daemon
running and sshd so I can get to them, nothing else.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
> 
> 
> I've got a sendmail server that I've given heavy firewalling through
> IPchains.  Apparently it was too heavy, because now sendmail 
> won't work at
> all.  I've got:
> 
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 80 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 110 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 6667 -j ACCEPT
> 
> and sendmail was firewalled out.  After consulting the book "linux
> firewalls", I was reminded that e-mail uses some ports > 1023 
> (at least
> Groupwise does, so it made sense) so now I've got:
> 
> ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp -s 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 
> -d any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s 12.27.41.52 25 -d 
> any/0 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 1024:65535 -d 
> 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 
> 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT
> 
> and it's still firewalled out.  Any ideas?  Sendmail works 100% when I
> ipchains -F.
> 
> -Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From barnabas at knicknack.net  Wed Mar 14 10:44:38 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103140934130.843-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:53AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103140934130.843-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <20010314104438.A3219@knicknack.net>

Is 12.27.41.52 the only system to which you send mail?  In other
words, are you using it as your relay to the outside world?  If not,
it looks like you'll need to add a rule something like '-A output -i
eth0 -p tcp --destination-port smtp -j ACCEPT'.

Also, what are your default policies on each chain?  If they are DENY
which I suspect they are, then flushing the chains should cause
nothing to work, not everything.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:53AM -0600, Brian wrote:
> I've got a sendmail server that I've given heavy firewalling through
> IPchains.  Apparently it was too heavy, because now sendmail won't work at
> all.  I've got:
> 
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 80 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 110 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 6667 -j ACCEPT
> 
> and sendmail was firewalled out.  After consulting the book "linux
> firewalls", I was reminded that e-mail uses some ports > 1023 (at least
> Groupwise does, so it made sense) so now I've got:
> 
> ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp -s 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 -d any/0 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s 12.27.41.52 25 -d any/0 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 1024:65535 -d 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 12.27.41.52 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT
> 
> and it's still firewalled out.  Any ideas?  Sendmail works 100% when I
> ipchains -F.
> 
> -Brian
> 
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> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From primopremiums at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 14 10:52:48 2001
From: primopremiums at hotmail.com (primopremiums@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply
Message-ID: <200103141652.f2EGqlW06031@esus.mc.mpls.visi.com>

Visited your web site! We have an inexpensive premium promotional product 
currently being used in your industry. Credible companies are realizing over 30% to 
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Email your contact information. Thanks, Bruce 



From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 14 10:48:00 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

So, how would I modify those two lines of code to allow me to do something
like:
echo 3 | ./bitshift

I've never been able to figure out how to make a C program accept STDIN.  Of
course, I haven't spent a whole lot of time looking either.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bit shifting
> 
> 
> How about 2 lines?
> 
> Reusable code...it makes C just as simple to crank out code as
> scripts. It also keeps a good programmer's skills sharp by always
> concentrating only on one language--and seperates the men from
> the boyz when it comes to writing quility code. But for the 
> lighthearted
> I wouldn't recommend it because power=complexity.
> 
> #include <stdlib.h>
> int main(int argc, char ** argv) { return (atoi(argv[1])<<4); 
> }     /* x*16 */
> 
> Now that wasnt so bad was it?
> 
> cc -s -O3 bitshift.c
> 
> exe size if 3.1K and is much more of an efficient OS call that running
> a perl script. But if you prefer scripting then fair enough since for
> software developers coding vs. scripting is somewhat of a holy
> war.
> 
> I'd like to see perl compilers that can compete with C--then I'd
> be impressed.
> 
> 
> At 07:25 AM 3/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Yes, but it's also like killing an ant with a hammer. A 
> little overkill
> >when you're doing basic bit-shifting.
> >
> >Sure, C might be able to do a LOT more than C, but why do you want to
> >write 100 lines of code when you can do it in 4?
> >
> >Jason DeStefano wrote:
> >> 
> >> heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot 
> faster too. :)
> >> 
> >> At 05:31 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, its called "C".
> >> >
> >> >You mean "Perl".
> >> >
> >> >2.5.9 Shift Operators
> >> >
> >> >The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of 
> the left argument
> >> >shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
> >> >the number of bits specified by the right argument. The 
> arguments should
> >> >be integers. For example:
> >> >
> >> >1 << 4;     # returns 16
> >> >32 >> 4;    # returns 2
> >> >
> >> >Andy
> >> >
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 14 10:57:39 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...
References: <3AAF8F4E.BC00D055@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <3AAFA303.2806EA38@ltiflex.com>

> I have installed Trustix 1.2 on my machine and was wondering if anyone
> has ever tried to install Xwindows on this distro?  I know it isn't
> built for a GUI but I thought it would be cool to try.  Anyone ever
> tried this?

Never even hear of them until this post. Will it work? Probally. Seems to be
an RPM based distro so you might be able to go that route. Or, your if
you're feeling brave and have lots of hard drive, build from source. This is
possibly the perfered method if you don't have X prepackaged. Lastly you
could download the pre-compiled binaries from xfree86.org. 

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 14 11:36:14 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10960A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

forwarded to abuse@hotmail.com  :)


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: primopremiums@hotmail.com [mailto:primopremiums@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:53 AM
> To: friend@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] reply
> 
> 
> Visited your web site! We have an inexpensive premium 
> promotional product 
> currently being used in your industry. Credible companies are 
> realizing over 30% to 
> their bottom line. Would be happy to provide you with details 
> including references. 
> Email your contact information. Thanks, Bruce 
> 
> 
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> 

From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed Mar 14 11:39:32 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109605@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103141124580.28817-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Your output chain should have a default of ACCEPT, so you shouldn't need
> those output chains...
> 
> Try changing those rules to:
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 -d 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 12.27.41.52 -j ACCEPT

This didn't work either.  This machine is a standalone mail server with
its own domains and stuff.  I have the default ipchains policy to ACCEPT
(it makes it slightly easier IMHO) so an ipchains -F sets everything to
ACCEPT.  The final line in my rc.firewall is 'ipchains -A input -i eth0 -s
any/0 -j DENY' so I get the same security as setting the default policy
but I just like it more.

-Brian


From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 14 11:48:00 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tracking emails OT
Message-ID: <F215h1lBLMasiZAPG4v00002d11@hotmail.com>


Ok this is off topic, but i figured someone here might be able to help me. A 
customer that i am dealing with has been jerking me around. We have been 
corresponding through emails because he is supposely overseas. I have 
tracked down him down to an address in New York city. I wanted to back 
search his email address with the address I found to see if they are the 
same person. If they are the same person than it is a good chance its fraud. 
I searched on yahoo to find his email but nothing came up. Is there anyway 
that I can do this.


Thanks


chris
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 14 12:28:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tracking emails OT
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10960C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Use whowhere.com or anywho.com to see if you can get his phone number in
NYC, and just call and ask for him.  If it's him, he's obviously not
overseas.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Opp [mailto:cop7586@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:48 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] tracking emails OT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ok this is off topic, but i figured someone here might be 
> able to help me. A 
> customer that i am dealing with has been jerking me around. 
> We have been 
> corresponding through emails because he is supposely overseas. I have 
> tracked down him down to an address in New York city. I 
> wanted to back 
> search his email address with the address I found to see if 
> they are the 
> same person. If they are the same person than it is a good 
> chance its fraud. 
> I searched on yahoo to find his email but nothing came up. Is 
> there anyway 
> that I can do this.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> chris
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From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us  Wed Mar 14 12:34:09 2001
From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tracking emails OT
Message-ID: <D63765C66C33D41182780008C784CB56CA4E4D@pca-ex03.pca.state.mn.us>

Once upon a time, I was stationed in Turkey... however, my mailing address was 
PO Box something or other, APO NY, NY 09289.  

That is, I had a New York mailing address even though I was living on the opposite side of the world.

Having said that, are you sure they live in NY?


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Mar 14 12:38:32 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: "Austad, Jay"'s message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:48:00 -0600"
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <uitlcmc0n.fsf@htc.honeywell.com>

>>>>> "JA" == Jay Austad <Austad> writes:

JA> So, how would I modify those two lines of code to allow me to do something
JA> like:
JA> echo 3 | ./bitshift

JA> I've never been able to figure out how to make a C program accept STDIN.  Of
JA> course, I haven't spent a whole lot of time looking either.

Umm, try looking up the scanf command.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From dd-b at dd-b.net  Wed Mar 14 12:47:01 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS server authentication against Samba PDC
In-Reply-To: <3AAF835D.1E1B2836@ltiflex.com>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1095F8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
	<m2y9u8ubf3.fsf@gw.dd-b.net> <20010314052002.A889@coder>
	<3AAF835D.1E1B2836@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <m2u24wb32y.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Andy Zbikowski <andyzb@ltiflex.com> writes:

> The domain controller support is Samba is not complete, but it is complete
> enough to support everything 9x clients support. NT4 clients do work, but
> there are a few limitations that I don't recall. Windows 2000 clients do not
> work with the current domain controller code. (Current version of samba is
> 2.0.7 I believe.)

Thanks to both of you.  I'm already running 2.0.7, and all the clients
I'm currently concerned with are Win 9x, so it sounds like I'm in
pretty good shape here.

No doubt I'll be posting war stories in a while :-).
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Wed Mar 14 12:52:27 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m2pufkb2tw.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> So, how would I modify those two lines of code to allow me to do something
> like:
> echo 3 | ./bitshift

./bitshift ` echo 3 `

> I've never been able to figure out how to make a C program accept STDIN.  Of
> course, I haven't spent a whole lot of time looking either.

Standard library calls relevant to that include:
    [f]getc
    [f]gets
    [f]scanf (hard to use, behaves strangely)
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 14 13:40:54 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large Samba deployment
Message-ID: <20010314134054.U1322@real-time.com>

I am curious to find out how large (in numbers of users) samba can
realistically support on 1 box.

This box could be a monster machine, 4+Gb RAM, RAID array, etc..

Anyone have some numbers to throw out?

200, 400, 1000 users?

I am not finding much of whitepapers on the 'net.
-- 
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From wilson at visi.com  Wed Mar 14 13:55:23 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141354190.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

What's the rule of thumb these days on swap partition size on a machine with
a lot of RAM? Specifically, how much swap on a server with 640 MB?

-Tim

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar 14 13:58:46 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...And the 2.4.2 kernel ( also Firewall )
References: <3AAF8F4E.BC00D055@eetc.com> <3AAFA303.2806EA38@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3AAFCD74.B1A48F5D@eetc.com>

Trustix is a secure version of Redhat.  1.2 comes with a 2.2.17 kernel
(modified slightly with extra secureity stuff - FreeSWAN and VPN stuff ).  It
has everything preconfigured for security and doesn't have a GUI at all.  I am
using it as a firewall and it is very nice.  They did a good job on this one.
This is a firewall howto w/ Trustix 1.2 if anyone is interested.

http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-10/lw-10-fwinstall1.html

Another thing.  I am also trying to install the new 2.4.2 kernel and something
has been bothering me.  Redhat 7 came out saying it was "Kernel 2.4
compatible".  What exactly does that mean?  Do you need newere versions of
software to install the new kernel?  Does it use a different filesystem
structure?  Is there somewhere where I can find out what it requires to run?
What do I need to change to get the 2.4.2 kernel working?  I am compiling it
now and the only error I have is for PCMCIA wich I forgot to turn off (
reconfigured and recompiling now ).  Any pointers?

sim

Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> > I have installed Trustix 1.2 on my machine and was wondering if anyone
> > has ever tried to install Xwindows on this distro?  I know it isn't
> > built for a GUI but I thought it would be cool to try.  Anyone ever
> > tried this?
>
> Never even hear of them until this post. Will it work? Probally. Seems to be
> an RPM based distro so you might be able to go that route. Or, your if
> you're feeling brave and have lots of hard drive, build from source. This is
> possibly the perfered method if you don't have X prepackaged. Lastly you
> could download the pre-compiled binaries from xfree86.org.


From wilson at visi.com  Wed Mar 14 14:07:21 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...And the 2.4.2 kernel ( also Firewall )
In-Reply-To: <3AAFCD74.B1A48F5D@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141403350.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:

> Another thing.  I am also trying to install the new 2.4.2 kernel and something
> has been bothering me.  Redhat 7 came out saying it was "Kernel 2.4
> compatible".  What exactly does that mean?

The 2.4 kernel requires certain utilities. For example, you'll need to have
a certain version of the modutils package installed. Without the newer
version, you won't be able to run a modular 2.4 kernel.

-Tim

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From ben at nerp.net  Wed Mar 14 14:14:07 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large Samba deployment
In-Reply-To: <20010314134054.U1322@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103141412090.22012-100000@chef>

depends on what the users are doing, you should be able to saturate an
ethernet line or twowith a nice dual box.  big thing you want on a
fileserver like that isn't 4gig of ram (well.. you want enough buffers to
keep it happy) but to have lots more disks, and multiple controlers.  just
for the fact that you're allways going to be disk spindal limited on that
box.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> I am curious to find out how large (in numbers of users) samba can
> realistically support on 1 box.
>
> This box could be a monster machine, 4+Gb RAM, RAID array, etc..
>
> Anyone have some numbers to throw out?
>
> 200, 400, 1000 users?
>
> I am not finding much of whitepapers on the 'net.
> --
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From fdickinson at morganhunter.com  Wed Mar 14 14:22:39 2001
From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large Samba deployment
In-Reply-To: <20010314134054.U1322@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLABLKKJPOGPGCLPDIEGBCDAA.fdickinson@morganhunter.com>

In my experience with Samba, the more ram the better.  Samba spans a child
process for each connection.  I set up a Samba server for about 60 users on
a RedHat 7.0 box with two 266 P2 processors and 128megs of ram and had
nothing but trouble.  I then used a Dell 1300 series server running RedHat
7.0 and with a 550 P3 processor and 512 megs of ram, and it has ran
flawlessly (under heavy usage) for a couple of months now.  Not to mention
it is noticeably faster than an NT server on the same hardware.  I have
noticed that CPU utilization on the server is seldomly very high, but you
should have a minimum of 128 megs of ram and allot an additional 3 to 4 megs
of ram for every user to achieve good performance.  Realistically I would
say one server for every 200 users or so (under heavy usage).

Forrest Dickinson
Network Administrator
Morgan Hunter Companies
(913) 491-3434


I am curious to find out how large (in numbers of users) samba can
realistically support on 1 box.

This box could be a monster machine, 4+Gb RAM, RAID array, etc..

Anyone have some numbers to throw out?

200, 400, 1000 users?

I am not finding much of whitepapers on the 'net.
--
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Mar 14 14:37:44 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141354190.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103141436560.9907-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> What's the rule of thumb these days on swap partition size on a machine with
> a lot of RAM? Specifically, how much swap on a server with 640 MB?

I still go with 1.8 * Physical RAM. Or not. I regard that as the Rule Of
Thumb but I always ignore it...

-Yaron

--


From jsowers at osii.com  Wed Mar 14 14:43:11 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103141124580.28817-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFGENGCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I guess if I were you, I would flush the ipchains.  Double-check sendmail as
you say it works then.  Then I would start adding the chains one at a time
and see when you lose mail.

At least you could narrow it down a little bit that way.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:40 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] firewalling around sendmail


On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Your output chain should have a default of ACCEPT, so you shouldn't need
> those output chains...
>
> Try changing those rules to:
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -s any/0 -d 12.27.41.52 25 -j ACCEPT
> ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp ! -y -s any/0 25 -d 12.27.41.52 -j ACCEPT

This didn't work either.  This machine is a standalone mail server with
its own domains and stuff.  I have the default ipchains policy to ACCEPT
(it makes it slightly easier IMHO) so an ipchains -F sets everything to
ACCEPT.  The final line in my rc.firewall is 'ipchains -A input -i eth0 -s
any/0 -j DENY' so I get the same security as setting the default policy
but I just like it more.

-Brian

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From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Wed Mar 14 14:22:27 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [abuse@hotmail.com: RE: CST27730760ID - UCE report]
Message-ID: <20010314142227.A15170@mn.rr.com>

Heh, heh, heh.  :-)

----- Forwarded message from MSN Hotmail Support <abuse@hotmail.com> -----

From: "MSN Hotmail Support" <abuse@hotmail.com>
To: <trammell@trammell.dyndns.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:16:10 -0800
Subject: RE: CST27730760ID - UCE report
X-Mailer: Microsoft CSS 2000

Hello trammell,
Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail.
This is Rachel and I am writing in response to your complaint regarding your receipt of such unsolicited e-mail. I know how annoying it is to receive unwanted email. I appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention. With regards to your complaint, I am glad to inform you that I have closed such account you reported in accordance with the Hotmail Terms of Service (TOS). It is a strict violation of the TOS for our members to send objectionable material of any kind or nature using our service.
[snip]
From: primopremiums@hotmail.com
To: friend@mn-linux.org
[snip]


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 14 15:09:09 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103141436560.9907-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:37:44PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141354190.1559-100000@isis.visi.com> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103141436560.9907-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010314150909.C14240@real-time.com>

Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com):
>   Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> > What's the rule of thumb these days on swap partition size on a machine with
> > a lot of RAM? Specifically, how much swap on a server with 640 MB?
> 
> I still go with 1.8 * Physical RAM. Or not. I regard that as the Rule Of
> Thumb but I always ignore it...

I go 2 * RAM for swap. 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 14 15:19:54 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
Message-ID: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com>

I was told today that Lotus Notes under Linux does not use IP for it's
transportation, that it used NXP(?).

Is this true? If so, then how do you route the stuff across a network?

-- 
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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar 14 15:25:24 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...And the 2.4.2 kernel ( also Firewall )
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141403350.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3AAFE1B9.56C73721@eetc.com>

Do you know which version?  Can I compile these utilities or is this an RPM package
kind of deal?  Where are they?

sim

Timothy Wilson wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:
>
> > Another thing.  I am also trying to install the new 2.4.2 kernel and something
> > has been bothering me.  Redhat 7 came out saying it was "Kernel 2.4
> > compatible".  What exactly does that mean?
>
> The 2.4 kernel requires certain utilities. For example, you'll need to have
> a certain version of the modutils package installed. Without the newer
> version, you won't be able to run a modular 2.4 kernel.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 14 15:26:20 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103141436560.9907-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AAFE1FC.A7CF099A@ltiflex.com>

> I still go with 1.8 * Physical RAM. Or not. I regard that as the Rule Of
> Thumb but I always ignore it...

That's the rule of thumb I used. Since then I have doubled my RAM
(mmm...256). I don't do much swapping until I get a vmware session or two
going. I think the 1.8 * Physical RAM (2 * Physical RAM if your lazy) is a
good rule of thumb. If you're going to put a heavy load on the server
consider adding more swap, linux goes on a killing spree when it runs out of
memory. 

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 14 15:34:08 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large Samba deployment
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103141412090.22012-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:14:07PM -0600
References: <20010314134054.U1322@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103141412090.22012-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010314153408.P673@ringworld.org>

* Ben Kochie <ben@nerp.net> [010314 14:18]:
> fileserver like that isn't 4gig of ram (well.. you want enough buffers to
> keep it happy) but to have lots more disks, and multiple controlers.  just

Single attach hardware raid with multiple controllers and lots (our new
1/2tb ones have 64mb at least) of cache.

Ram on the box isn't nearly as cool, but helps.   With GFS, if its
stable (right?) you could get dual attach and hook it up to multiple
machines.  Or just go with fibrechannel. :)

-- 
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From kethry at winternet.com  Wed Mar 14 15:39:27 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
In-Reply-To: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103141538371.6528-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

That doesn't sound right - Lotus Notes in general uses TCP-IP as it's
default - I can look into this a little bit more since I'm building a
domino test box at work.

Liz Burke-Scovill
kethry@winternet.com

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> I was told today that Lotus Notes under Linux does not use IP for it's
> transportation, that it used NXP(?).
> 
> Is this true? If so, then how do you route the stuff across a network?
> 
> 

-- 
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e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From kethry at winternet.com  Wed Mar 14 15:43:21 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
In-Reply-To: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103141542510.6528-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

oh - I wonder if that's using notes transport as far as mail routing and
stuff - 
again - I'll look into this probably within the next week.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> I was told today that Lotus Notes under Linux does not use IP for it's
> transportation, that it used NXP(?).
> 
> Is this true? If so, then how do you route the stuff across a network?
> 
> 

-- 
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e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Wed Mar 14 15:17:40 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
Message-ID: <010314151740.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Guess I've always used 4 * Memory.

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From destef at destef.com  Wed Mar 14 17:42:05 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mkt
 w.net>
Message-ID: <200103142341.f2ENfRu23095@destef.com>

"stdin" is treated just like a file except you dont have to create a
file decriptor, its already created. it has the type (FILE * stdin)

#include <stdio.h>
main() {
    int x;
    fscanf(stdin, "%d", &x);
    return (x << 4);
}


At 10:48 AM 3/14/01 -0600, you wrote:
>So, how would I modify those two lines of code to allow me to do something
>like:
>echo 3 | ./bitshift
>
>I've never been able to figure out how to make a C program accept STDIN.  Of
>course, I haven't spent a whole lot of time looking either.
>
>Jay
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:25 PM
>> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bit shifting
>> 
>> 
>> How about 2 lines?
>> 
>> Reusable code...it makes C just as simple to crank out code as
>> scripts. It also keeps a good programmer's skills sharp by always
>> concentrating only on one language--and seperates the men from
>> the boyz when it comes to writing quility code. But for the 
>> lighthearted
>> I wouldn't recommend it because power=complexity.
>> 
>> #include <stdlib.h>
>> int main(int argc, char ** argv) { return (atoi(argv[1])<<4); 
>> }     /* x*16 */
>> 
>> Now that wasnt so bad was it?
>> 
>> cc -s -O3 bitshift.c
>> 
>> exe size if 3.1K and is much more of an efficient OS call that running
>> a perl script. But if you prefer scripting then fair enough since for
>> software developers coding vs. scripting is somewhat of a holy
>> war.
>> 
>> I'd like to see perl compilers that can compete with C--then I'd
>> be impressed.
>> 
>> 
>> At 07:25 AM 3/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Yes, but it's also like killing an ant with a hammer. A 
>> little overkill
>> >when you're doing basic bit-shifting.
>> >
>> >Sure, C might be able to do a LOT more than C, but why do you want to
>> >write 100 lines of code when you can do it in 4?
>> >
>> >Jason DeStefano wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> heh. no, i mean C. it does a LOT more than perl--and a lot 
>> faster too. :)
>> >> 
>> >> At 05:31 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yeah, its called "C".
>> >> >
>> >> >You mean "Perl".
>> >> >
>> >> >2.5.9 Shift Operators
>> >> >
>> >> >The bit-shift operators (<< and >>) return the value of 
>> the left argument
>> >> >shifted to the left (<<) or to the right (>>) by
>> >> >the number of bits specified by the right argument. The 
>> arguments should
>> >> >be integers. For example:
>> >> >
>> >> >1 << 4;     # returns 16
>> >> >32 >> 4;    # returns 2
>> >> >
>> >> >Andy
>> >> >
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From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Wed Mar 14 17:50:46 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <200103142341.f2ENfRu23095@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:42:05PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> <200103142341.f2ENfRu23095@destef.com>
Message-ID: <20010314175046.A15633@mn.rr.com>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:42:05PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote:

> #include <stdio.h>
> main() {
>     int x;
>     fscanf(stdin, "%d", &x);
>     return (x << 4);
> }

[ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo 1 | ./a.out
[ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo $?
16
[ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo 333 | ./a.out
[ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo $?
208
[ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ]

Nice try.  Too bad I want to bit-shift values greater than 64...


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 14 19:56:40 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BSA (Microsoft software police)
Message-ID: <20010314195640.Z22273@real-time.com>

I heard a rumor that that BSA, AKA the Microsoft Piracy Police, are coming to
town.

Any confirmation?

Everyones got 1 hologram for each computer right?

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 20:31:12 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] exporting passwd file
In-Reply-To: <200103141451.f2EEppl19583@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010315023112.95856.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

> idea. Before putting ssh in, I used to run ftp on
> the password file to various
> machines that I wanted to update. User home dirs
> were all the same for those
> machines, but ~root was individual, as was all the
> os files, including passwd.
> Scp could be used to distribute the file as well as
> doing pwconv, thus
> hopefully keeping ipspoofing (nfs or whatever) out
> of the equation.

yes but i dont want to copy the passwd and shadow file
everytime i add a new user, 

> Apologies if I don't understand what you're really
> trying to do.

nope, you hit it right on...

here is the <music please> master plan:
i would have a simbolic link of the "passwd" and the
"shadow" file in the /home directory, i would then
export the home directory and have it exported and
mounted as /home on the workstations, on the
workstation /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow would link to
the links in the home directory, that way i only have
to update passwd once and people get to see their
stuff on any machine without have to "login" to a
server AND be able to use these machines resources
like floppy/cdrom/sound card etc

now you mentioned ipspoofin as a security risk, can i
block against it? and what other concerns can you
forsee? 

 -muir

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From clay at fandre.com  Wed Mar 14 20:31:41 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141354190.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0298D.AE665198@fandre.com>

I think it all depends on how much RAM you have. If you have anywhere
between 0 (heh) and 512 Meg then 2*RAM is a nice number. If you have
anything above that then 2*RAM is overkill. Probably don't really want
to go over 600-700 Megs.

But if you have a system that is constantly swapping, I think it's time
to add more memory. Don't use swap like you would memory because it's
ssssllllllooooooowwwwww. Plus memory's so dang cheap now anyways.

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> What's the rule of thumb these days on swap partition size on a machine with
> a lot of RAM? Specifically, how much swap on a server with 640 MB?
> 
> -Tim
> 
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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 20:39:08 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] union job
In-Reply-To: <200103141451.f2EEppl19583@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010315023908.14284.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>

true, novell does not quite belong here, but the union
thing is more of your own preference not the lists
isnt it?

but i suppose that if you have the experience and the
exposure to ask for your own salary union would be
kindof a hinderance, but for me... but for me without
a degree (hell im only 19) most companies would not
even talk to me... with a union i have at least a
fighting chance...
Unions are there to protect the employee when there is
a chance that he will get screwed, otherwise they can
be a hinderence...

yeah Rich said that you found it hilarious that he had
a union job...

oh yeah and we do have at least one NT/2000 server...

> well, you said the 2 worst words you could ever say
> in a job posting to
> this list.. "novell" and "union"
> well.. atleast i'd say they're worse.. atleast you
> didn't say "NT" ;)

 -munir


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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 14 20:39:12 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109606@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> <200103142341.f2ENfRu23095@destef.com> <20010314175046.A15633@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3AB02B50.5F8E5E3A@tc.umn.edu>

Hmm..

Perl (John Trammell):

#!/bin/sh
# perl1.sh
echo -e '10 1\n10 -1' | \
perl -pe 's/(\d+) (-?\d+)/($2>0)?$1<<$2:$1>>-$2/e'

[mike@3po][~]$ /usr/bin/time perl1.sh
20
5
0.02user 0.02system 0:00.04elapsed 88%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (526major+137minor)pagefaults 0swaps


C (Jason DeStefano):

#!/bin/sh
# c1.sh
cat > bitshift.c <<EOF
#include <stdio.h>
main() {
    int x;
    fscanf(stdin, "%d", &x);
    return (x << 4);
}
EOF
gcc bitshift.c -o bitshift
echo 3 | ./bitshift
echo $?

[mike@3po][~]$ /usr/bin/time c1.sh
48
0.23user 0.14system 0:00.38elapsed 96%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (2122major+1027minor)pagefaults 0swaps

OTOH...

#!/bin/sh
# c1-2.sh
echo 3 | ./bitshift
echo $?

[mike@3po][~]$ /usr/bin/time c1-2.sh
48
0.00user 0.02system 0:00.04elapsed 50%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (329major+117minor)pagefaults 0swaps


C (my example - functionally similar to Perl example):

#!/bin/sh
# c2.sh
cat > bitshift.c <<EOF
#include <stdio.h>
main () {
  int x, y;
  while (scanf ("%d", &x) > 0 && scanf ("%d", &y) > 0) {
    printf ("%d\n", (y >= 0) ? (x << y) : (x >> -y));
  }
  return 0;
}
EOF
gcc bitshift.c -o bitshift
echo -e '10 1\n10 -1' | ./bitshift

[mike@3po][~]$ /usr/bin/time c2.sh
20
5
0.30user 0.08system 0:00.39elapsed 97%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (2147major+1030minor)pagefaults 0swaps

Again, OTOH...

#!/bin/sh
# c2-2.sh
echo -e '10 1\n10 -1' | ./bitshift

[mike@3po][~]$ /usr/bin/time c2-2.sh
20
5
0.02user 0.01system 0:00.03elapsed 78%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (331major+113minor)pagefaults 0swaps


Obviously, it's really hard to get decent timings on such small
programs, but I ran these a couple of times with fairly consistent
results.  The C programs ran a little faster than the Perl code, but
that was after compiling.  In order for the C code to show a definite
advantage, it would probably have to be run many, many times, or on a
large amount of input data.  (Note the latter is the case with regard to
the new 7-line C and Perl CSS descramblers)

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From ben at nerp.net  Wed Mar 14 20:41:56 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BSA (Microsoft software police)
In-Reply-To: <20010314195640.Z22273@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103142041330.9055-100000@chef>

no, but I have enough linux workstations for it to not be a problem ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> I heard a rumor that that BSA, AKA the Microsoft Piracy Police, are coming to
> town.
>
> Any confirmation?
>
> Everyones got 1 hologram for each computer right?
>
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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar 14 21:06:08 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
References: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AB031A0.89452C4@mninter.net>

Very, very interesting Bob....   I've been after our e-mail admin to
download the client for Linux.  Needless to say he hasn't.  Guess I'll
have to bug him some more.  One less thing that I have to worry about
using Winblows for...  Unfortunately, I lose about 60% functionality of
Notes when using the webclient.



Shawn


Bob Tanner wrote:

> I was told today that Lotus Notes under Linux does not use IP for it's
> transportation, that it used NXP(?).
>
> Is this true? If so, then how do you route the stuff across a network?
>
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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar 14 21:44:15 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] union job
References: <20010315023908.14284.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AB03A8E.80EDBC79@mninter.net>

Honestly, the days of unions have come and gone for the most part.  Unions are almost powerless now (look at Northwest Airlines mechanics) as the
gov't has come in and tripped up the process more.  All in the name of "keeping America going" right?  B.S.!

I've watched my Dad and others get screwed any way possible over the years.  Here's what's happened with my Dad's job and his "union:"   1- Lost
days off (used to get about 5-6 holidays a years, plus some floating days.  Now down to Maybe Christmas if their lucky)  2-Working more hours less
pay (roughly a 20-30% cut in pay)  3- "Job protection" (the company laid off almost everyone hired AFTER 1986.   4) 20+ years on the job, been at
the same plant with 5 different company turnovers comes to about maybe 1/2 of his salary at retirement   5)- When you strike, you get maybe a small
amount of money only when you walk the picket line.  If not, then no money  6)- Union dues constantly keep being raised.  Why pay for "protection"
when it's just cheaper and a lot easier in most cases to go find another job when the situation is so bad you have to strike?

As to your comment of not having a degree, and only being 19, where companies won't talk to you...  What's the difference between getting a job
with the "union" or on your own?  I had to switch careers due to oncoming back injuries at 26.  I had no formal training, no degree (except a
diploma of tech school for auto mechanics), and no formal on the job experience in the computer field.  My first computer related job was working
for a company on the third shift, working the computer room sorting print jobs and being a computer operator for an IBM S390 running OS390.  We all
take first steps into a new career, but after a while we move on.  Even with the market going down, I think that you can work a better deal on your
own than going into a union shop.

It's all in marketing yourself.  I don't mean lying about your experience, you focus and tailor your resume to what they are looking for.  It took
me six months, but I did finally get in.  Perseverance and enthusiasm are two key traits managers and higher are looking for.  The company I'm at
now took me over a year and a half to get in, but I'm in and I enjoy it.  Good luck in your ventures, hope you get out of the "protection" umbrella
eventually and barter your way into a really good job.

Shawn



Munir Nassar wrote:

> true, novell does not quite belong here, but the union
> thing is more of your own preference not the lists
> isnt it?
>
> but i suppose that if you have the experience and the
> exposure to ask for your own salary union would be
> kindof a hinderance, but for me... but for me without
> a degree (hell im only 19) most companies would not
> even talk to me... with a union i have at least a
> fighting chance...
> Unions are there to protect the employee when there is
> a chance that he will get screwed, otherwise they can
> be a hinderence...
>
> yeah Rich said that you found it hilarious that he had
> a union job...
>
> oh yeah and we do have at least one NT/2000 server...


From drew at usfamily.net  Wed Mar 14 21:50:17 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problem and solution (OT?) you decide
References: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com> <3AB031A0.89452C4@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <000901c0ad03$0d4affe0$3f8be23f@gateway>

First of all I would like to apologize for sending in HTML.
Now then, The problem is that lattely I've been getting tired of my noisy
case, when ever I turn on the damn computer it would viabrate so much that I
could hear it from every room of my house. Also I've been having problems
with the system overheating (according to the temp sensors on the processor
and mother board. So obviously the solution is to get rid of the noisy case
and devise a way to cool the system. Well take a look.

Ohh and for all you pine and elm lovers here is a link that you can use.
http://www.usfamily.net/web/drew/computer.jpg



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From ksm at dogbrain.com  Wed Mar 14 22:00:06 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] exporting passwd file
In-Reply-To: <20010315023112.95856.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>; from Munir Nassar on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:31:12PM -0800
References: <200103141451.f2EEppl19583@sprite.real-time.com> <20010315023112.95856.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010314220006.C12781@dogbrain.com>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:31:12PM -0800, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> here is the <music please> master plan:
> i would have a simbolic link of the "passwd" and the
> "shadow" file in the /home directory, i would then
> export the home directory and have it exported and
> mounted as /home on the workstations, on the
> workstation /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow would link to
> the links in the home directory, that way i only have
> to update passwd once and people get to see their
> stuff on any machine without have to "login" to a
> server AND be able to use these machines resources
> like floppy/cdrom/sound card etc
> 
> now you mentioned ipspoofin as a security risk, can i
> block against it? and what other concerns can you
> forsee? 

This would most likely cause problems when the system was
starting up. If the system does not have a valid passwd/shadow
until /home gets NFS mounted then it could cause some undefined
types of error during bootup. Anything that would attempt to
use a non root user like (ie sendmail, http, ...etc) could fail
or hang during boot. This may even affect the root user (i don't
know for sure). But I do know that if your NFS server becomes
unavailable all of your systems would mess up bad.

I would suggest NIS, if security isn't that big of an issue.

Otherwise, some type of ssh distribution may be in order. You
would have problems with this if people expected to be able
to change thier passwords on the clients, but depending on the
situation you may be able to come up with a workaround. Something
like changing passwords only on your distribution host or the
like.

Regards

					- Karl

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 15 00:30:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problem and solution (OT?) you decide
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10961A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Didn't I see this on HardOCP (http://www.hardocp.com) a week or two ago??

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Problem and solution (OT?) you decide
> 
> 
> First of all I would like to apologize for sending in HTML.
> Now then, The problem is that lattely I've been getting tired 
> of my noisy
> case, when ever I turn on the damn computer it would viabrate 
> so much that I
> could hear it from every room of my house. Also I've been 
> having problems
> with the system overheating (according to the temp sensors on 
> the processor
> and mother board. So obviously the solution is to get rid of 
> the noisy case
> and devise a way to cool the system. Well take a look.
> 
> Ohh and for all you pine and elm lovers here is a link that 
> you can use.
> http://www.usfamily.net/web/drew/computer.jpg
> 
> 
> 
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> $8.99/mo! ------
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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 15 02:58:11 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...And the 2.4.2 kernel ( also Firewall )
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141403350.1559-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150257190.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:
> > Another thing.  I am also trying to install the new 2.4.2 kernel and
> > something has been bothering me.  Redhat 7 came out saying it was
> > "Kernel 2.4 compatible".  What exactly does that mean?
> The 2.4 kernel requires certain utilities. For example, you'll need to have
> a certain version of the modutils package installed. Without the newer
> version, you won't be able to run a modular 2.4 kernel.

And you can see which versions are needed in the Documentation/Changes
file in the kernel source tree.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From kbullock at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 15 03:22:40 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Masochism ;p
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150319290.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

So I decided it would be a good idea to build a linux system from scratch
on my spare partition. (Don't ask.) So, in order to build all the basics
of the system (bash, kernel, init, etc.) I need a chroot'ed environment in
which to work. My question is, should it work for me to just install a
statically linked BusyBox and GCC, and then chroot and start building the
basics from there?

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From clay at fandre.com  Thu Mar 15 07:41:21 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Masochism ;p
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150319290.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3AB0C681.90805@fandre.com>

Kevin R. Bullock wrote:

> So I decided it would be a good idea to build a linux system from scratch
> on my spare partition. (Don't ask.) So, in order to build all the basics
> of the system (bash, kernel, init, etc.) I need a chroot'ed environment in
> which to work. My question is, should it work for me to just install a
> statically linked BusyBox and GCC, and then chroot and start building the
> basics from there?
> 
Wow, you must have plenty of free time on your hands. I have trouble 
just getting through all my email in a day. What do you do for a living? 
I want your job.


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 08:17:52 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
Message-ID: <20010315081752.A14284@baker.space.umn.edu>

Hi All,

Does anyone know of a way to play Windows Media Player files under
Linux?  (Bonus points for directions on how to listen to and save
a stream at the same time.  Does linking to the correct device work?)
My old high school has made the state tournament, and the only
stream I have found is in Windows Media player (asx).

Thanks,
Jim Crumley

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From jhawley at bgea.org  Thu Mar 15 08:30:37 2001
From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] swap sizes
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103141354190.1559-100000@isis.visi.com> <3AB0298D.AE665198@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0D20D.ABFF1C4F@bgea.org>

ok, here's something I've been wondering about for a while.

I have a system that started out with 64M ram and a 128M swap partition.  Since
then I've upgraded to 192M ram.  Not long after the mem upgrade, someone did a
wierd query to the MySQL database and the system went totally wacko with a lot of
kswapd messages.  I actually had to hit the power switch to fix it (!).  Since
then its been running fine, but am I asking for problems with running a system
with a swap thats much smaller than the memory?

-John

Clay Fandre wrote:

> I think it all depends on how much RAM you have. If you have anywhere
> between 0 (heh) and 512 Meg then 2*RAM is a nice number. If you have
> anything above that then 2*RAM is overkill. Probably don't really want
> to go over 600-700 Megs.
>
> But if you have a system that is constantly swapping, I think it's time
> to add more memory. Don't use swap like you would memory because it's
> ssssllllllooooooowwwwww. Plus memory's so dang cheap now anyways.
>
> Timothy Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > What's the rule of thumb these days on swap partition size on a machine with
> > a lot of RAM? Specifically, how much swap on a server with 640 MB?
> >


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 08:36:24 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <20010315081752.A14284@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:17:52AM -0600
References: <20010315081752.A14284@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010315083624.A6614@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

VMWare.  Anyone know if MediaPlayer works under WINE?  

Gabe

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:17:52AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to play Windows Media Player files under
> Linux?  (Bonus points for directions on how to listen to and save
> a stream at the same time.  Does linking to the correct device work?)
> My old high school has made the state tournament, and the only
> stream I have found is in Windows Media player (asx).
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Crumley
> 
> -- 
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> crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
> Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From kethry at winternet.com  Thu Mar 15 08:46:55 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
In-Reply-To: <3AB031A0.89452C4@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103150844070.15192-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Officially there is no LN client for linux - it's something that's avidly
awaited, but chances are it isn't going to happen - Domino (aka the server
side) is the only product supported on linux -- however, if you go to
notes.net, you'll find a number of people use Notes via wine, etc...on
linux. Actually another friend of mine had some pretty good successes with
wine and LN R5 I think.

You're right about the webclient - mainly because it's really with R5 that
developers are starting to think of notes db's as web-ready...if the db is
designed right then you can have as much functionality with the webclient
as you can with the desktop client.

Liz Burke-Scovill

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

> Very, very interesting Bob....   I've been after our e-mail admin to
> download the client for Linux.  Needless to say he hasn't.  Guess I'll
> have to bug him some more.  One less thing that I have to worry about
> using Winblows for...  Unfortunately, I lose about 60% functionality of
> Notes when using the webclient.
> 
> 
> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> > I was told today that Lotus Notes under Linux does not use IP for it's
> > transportation, that it used NXP(?).
> >
> > Is this true? If so, then how do you route the stuff across a network?
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 15 09:06:52 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10961D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I wonder if it would be possible to modify aviplay to load the windows .dll
file that contains the wma code so it could play those files.  It already
uses wine to load the .dll for DivX decoding.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:36 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
> 
> 
> VMWare.  Anyone know if MediaPlayer works under WINE?  
> 
> Gabe
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:17:52AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Does anyone know of a way to play Windows Media Player files under
> > Linux?  (Bonus points for directions on how to listen to and save
> > a stream at the same time.  Does linking to the correct 
> device work?)
> > My old high school has made the state tournament, and the only
> > stream I have found is in Windows Media player (asx).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Jim Crumley
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jim Crumley                  |
> > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
> > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------
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> UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for 
> Computing Machinery
> U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University 
> of Minnesohta
> Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       
> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu
> 
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From ben at nerp.net  Thu Mar 15 09:11:19 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] union job
In-Reply-To: <20010315023908.14284.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103150905140.30797-100000@chef>

that's a sham, if you can't protect yourself from getting screwed, that's
you're own damn fault.  you're 19, you don't need parrents anymore, or
atleast you shouldn't.  if companies won't talk to you, then you are not
ready, or you are not presenting your skills.  I never finished my college
education, and because of this, I have had to work hard, and sometimes
working jobs benith my skills to prove that I know what I'm doing.  But it
has payed off.  I used my skills, my contacts, and my determination to get
where I'm at today.  I have gotten screwed, but I learned from my
mistake, and I came out of it a smarter, better person.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:

> true, novell does not quite belong here, but the union
> thing is more of your own preference not the lists
> isnt it?
>
> but i suppose that if you have the experience and the
> exposure to ask for your own salary union would be
> kindof a hinderance, but for me... but for me without
> a degree (hell im only 19) most companies would not
> even talk to me... with a union i have at least a
> fighting chance...
> Unions are there to protect the employee when there is
> a chance that he will get screwed, otherwise they can
> be a hinderence...
>
> yeah Rich said that you found it hilarious that he had
> a union job...
>
> oh yeah and we do have at least one NT/2000 server...
>
> > well, you said the 2 worst words you could ever say
> > in a job posting to
> > this list.. "novell" and "union"
> > well.. atleast i'd say they're worse.. atleast you
> > didn't say "NT" ;)
>
>  -munir
>
>
> =====
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 15 09:14:26 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Masochism ;p
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150319290.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org> <3AB0C681.90805@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0DC52.43C9B21F@ltiflex.com>

Ahh the life of a college student on spring break...I want that job too. :)

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From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Mar 15 09:43:43 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] union job
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103150905140.30797-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEENOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Unions have no place in the IT/IS field.  Personally, I'm an idiot who just
happened to stumble on to a great job.  True I work hard, but I don't think
that got me here.  I think I was just one lucky sucker who had the innate
ability to communicate with people.  I have a two year degree (doesn't mean
shit, just gets me the interview) and very little experience.  Now I'm a
network engineer making plenty of money and loving life.  Sometimes that's
just the way it works.  I wish all of you my happiness.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Kochie
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:11 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] union job


that's a sham, if you can't protect yourself from getting screwed, that's
you're own damn fault.  you're 19, you don't need parrents anymore, or
atleast you shouldn't.  if companies won't talk to you, then you are not
ready, or you are not presenting your skills.  I never finished my college
education, and because of this, I have had to work hard, and sometimes
working jobs benith my skills to prove that I know what I'm doing.  But it
has payed off.  I used my skills, my contacts, and my determination to get
where I'm at today.  I have gotten screwed, but I learned from my
mistake, and I came out of it a smarter, better person.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Munir Nassar wrote:

> true, novell does not quite belong here, but the union
> thing is more of your own preference not the lists
> isnt it?
>
> but i suppose that if you have the experience and the
> exposure to ask for your own salary union would be
> kindof a hinderance, but for me... but for me without
> a degree (hell im only 19) most companies would not
> even talk to me... with a union i have at least a
> fighting chance...
> Unions are there to protect the employee when there is
> a chance that he will get screwed, otherwise they can
> be a hinderence...
>
> yeah Rich said that you found it hilarious that he had
> a union job...
>
> oh yeah and we do have at least one NT/2000 server...
>
> > well, you said the 2 worst words you could ever say
> > in a job posting to
> > this list.. "novell" and "union"
> > well.. atleast i'd say they're worse.. atleast you
> > didn't say "NT" ;)
>
>  -munir
>
>
> =====
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+
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> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>
> __________________________________________________
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> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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From fertch at mninter.net  Thu Mar 15 09:51:45 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103150844070.15192-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0E511.CAC86891@mninter.net>

Just saw that earlier this morning Liz.  I cornered the e-mail admin and
asked him a few questions.  Going our to notes.net/lotus.com, etc. there is
only the server part.  Needless to say I don't need a crazed AS400 admin
jumping down my back...

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 15 09:56:44 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] exporting passwd file
References: <20010315023112.95856.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0E63C.DEA2B795@ltiflex.com>

Why not setup NIS or LDAP instead? See www.padl.com for LDAP resources. 

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From kethry at winternet.com  Thu Mar 15 09:59:13 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
In-Reply-To: <3AB0E511.CAC86891@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103150955540.15192-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> >From what I was told, because my template was upgraded to R5 (we've been on
> R4.x for a long time) it'll get automagicly updated.  Supposedly.  From there
> as they make changes to things, more functionality is supposed to come in as
> well.

*chuckle* well, if you have R5 questions, feel free to ask me (off-list
since it wouldn't be specifically linux related) I was a Notes Admin
before my current position which also includes Notes development, and I'm
working solely with R5 now, but went through an R4.6 -> R5 upgrade
myself...

> Thanks for the info Liz.  I'd rather not have Wine on the systems if I don't
> need to.

Never a problem - at least here's something I can REALLY contribute to the
list.

Liz

> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> > Officially there is no LN client for linux - it's something that's avidly
> > awaited, but chances are it isn't going to happen - Domino (aka the server
> > side) is the only product supported on linux -- however, if you go to
> > notes.net, you'll find a number of people use Notes via wine, etc...on
> > linux. Actually another friend of mine had some pretty good successes with
> > wine and LN R5 I think.
> >
> > You're right about the webclient - mainly because it's really with R5 that
> > developers are starting to think of notes db's as web-ready...if the db is
> > designed right then you can have as much functionality with the webclient
> > as you can with the desktop client.
> >
> > Liz Burke-Scovill
> 
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 10:03:21 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] exporting passwd file
Message-ID: <010315100321.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Unfortunately, I'm not an expert on this sort of thing. Ipspoofing and nfs seem
to have not been overcome yet, so stay up on patches is about all you can do. I
like your ideas, but there's that nasty attack. Plus, what happens if your
"password server" craps out? Then everyone's locked out of everywhere or your
wide open (I'm not sure which, but it seems like the latter). Yeouch.

When making these decisions here, I decided nfs was a risk I was willing to
take for user files, but not system files (of course, I only implemented it 3/4
of the way and now have to go back and finish the job). The functionality was
too good for the users to deny it (AKA boss said it's to stay on). NIS was
never a risk I was willing to take as it has had zillions of holes since day 1
and I only have a few machines. My answer was to keep a file with a list of
hostnames in it and run something like this (sort of my own NIS):

#!/bin/csh
echo "Enter password:\c"
set pwd=$<
foreach machine (`cat hostfile`)
   echo "user root\npassword $pwd\nput /etc/passwd /etc/passwd\nquit"| ftp $machine
end

As long as hostfile is uptodate, which I use for other things, it takes care of
the problem and to attack this, you'd have to be here when it's run. Of course,
the ftp vulnerabilities are forcing me to scp, which I haven't done yet, but
once this is in place, adding users is a snap. It takes less than a minute to
update all machines. Their home directories are all nfs'd to the same place on
each machine, so the password file looks the same on all machines. Not so any
longer since I now have Irix, Linux, and winders, but this doesn't pose any
insurmountable problems for the script I still need to write. Each OS is
self-contained.

Ed

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 15 10:05:55 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10961D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151005090.24253-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I wonder if it would be possible to modify aviplay to load the windows .dll
> file that contains the wma code so it could play those files.  It already
> uses wine to load the .dll for DivX decoding.

Last time I got avifile/aviplay to work, it played WMV fine.

Course I can't get it to work on debian so I can't test.

-Yaron

--


From bexley at daily.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 10:35:29 2001
From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEENOCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103150905140.30797-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <3AB09AE4.16222.2E2E34A4@localhost>

> Unions have no place in the IT/IS field. 
I would have to disagree. Unfortunatly, I've been in a position where 
I've felt it nessecary to use collective bargaining to get what we 
wanted. What was it? We wanted to be treated fairly, and not have 
to leave our jobs. This isn't to say that we couldn't get better paying 
jobs elsewhere, it's just that we like the place we work so much 
that we didn't WANT to leave. We felt the only way we could get 
people to listen to our concerns was to threaten to leave as a 
whole. It is amazing how quickly people start listening when the 
entire IS department threatens to walk off the job. They wouldn't 
have listened if only a few people made that descision. Maybe we 
didn't technically have a union, but we were a union in spirit.

For another example of a white colar union, take a look at Boeing. 
In the mid-90s, many of the engineers there felt that the company 
was headed in the wrong direction, and felt that their concerns 
were not being addressed. They loved working there so much that 
they couldn't stand to see the company suffer due to the acts of a 
few people in upper management. They decided to unionize, and 
did in fact go on strike. That brought on changes very quickly, and 
the people I've talked to about it generally regard it as a positive 
experience.

Unionizing is sometimes the only way to be effectively heard and 
respected. Sad but true.


ok i'm done.


Ben
-----
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Information Systems Manager
The Minnesota Daily
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(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190

From kent at structural-wood.com  Thu Mar 15 11:00:38 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
References: <010315100321.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB0F536.544AB4F@structural-wood.com>

Hi,

Does anyone have a good looking pretty-printer for text based
e-mail that outputs in postscript?  The a2ps e-mail feature works but it
ends up looking like a ransom note (badly mismatched fonts and
bolding).

Ideally I'd like it to shrink and box the e-mail headers, and italicize
any quoted (>) text.  It would be nice if it shrank overly long lines
to fit on an 8.5" sheet.

Thanks,
Kent

From kent at structural-wood.com  Thu Mar 15 11:14:03 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103150905140.30797-100000@chef> <3AB09AE4.16222.2E2E34A4@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AB0F85B.99C1609@structural-wood.com>

Benjamin Exley wrote:
> 
> > Unions have no place in the IT/IS field.
> I would have to disagree. Unfortunatly, I've been in a position where
> I've felt it nessecary to use collective bargaining to get what we
> wanted. What was it? We wanted to be treated fairly, and not have
> to leave our jobs. This isn't to say that we couldn't get better paying
> jobs elsewhere, it's just that we like the place we work so much
> that we didn't WANT to leave. We felt the only way we could get
> people to listen to our concerns was to threaten to leave as a
> whole. It is amazing how quickly people start listening when the
> entire IS department threatens to walk off the job. They wouldn't
> have listened if only a few people made that descision. Maybe we
> didn't technically have a union, but we were a union in spirit.
> 
> For another example of a white colar union, take a look at Boeing.
> In the mid-90s, many of the engineers there felt that the company
> was headed in the wrong direction, and felt that their concerns
> were not being addressed. They loved working there so much that
> they couldn't stand to see the company suffer due to the acts of a
> few people in upper management. They decided to unionize, and
> did in fact go on strike. That brought on changes very quickly, and
> the people I've talked to about it generally regard it as a positive
> experience.
> 
> Unionizing is sometimes the only way to be effectively heard and
> respected. Sad but true.
> 
> ok i'm done.
> 
>

I think most of us who object to unions are thinking of the national
or international unions.  I think small unions are sometimes a
necessary thing. I'm lucky - I'm the only IT worker here, so I'm 
a union unto myself...

The older I get, the more I think smaller is better.  Think Qwest,
Microsoft, AFL/CIO, Democrats, Republicans, etc...

Any group that can't be completely taken out with a small tactical
nuke should be abolished...

From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Mar 15 11:12:58 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] two, two of every message?
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEDHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Is anyone else getting 2 of every tclug message? or is it just me..

I'm not getting dupes of non-tclug mail..


~j

From cbidler at talkware.net  Thu Mar 15 11:42:28 2001
From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] two, two of every message?
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEDHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <3AB0FF04.5040100@talkware.net>

Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> Is anyone else getting 2 of every tclug message? or is it just me..
> 
> I'm not getting dupes of non-tclug mail..
> 
Sometimes I see this effect, but not with every message.

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 Associate Engineer, Sysadmin Group
 Universal Talkware Corp.

 "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer
  really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?"
<---------------------------------------------------------------------->


From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Mar 15 11:45:41 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
In-Reply-To: <3AB09AE4.16222.2E2E34A4@localhost>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

You say that you like the place that you work so much that you don't want to
leave, then I say you don't have any reason to gripe.  If you like a place
so much, you shouldn't need to bargain.  I guess it just seems to me that
you liked the place so much you felt you needed to go on strike.  That
doesn't make too much sense to me.  I guess I really don't know though.  If
I don't like my job, I just bitch and complain never really doing anything
about it until they get sick of hearing me and "downsize" me giving me
reason to go and find a job elsewhere.  What I'm saying is that I'm
spineless and I really don't know anything.  You did give a good example
with the cellular company but it all comes down to one thing as far as I'm
concerned.  Karl Marx said that all history is a series of class struggles.
Struggles between the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariat.  Basically, the
Business Owners, and the Workers.  This would seem to hold true.  While I do
disagree with Mr. Marx that this (Capitalism) needed to be stopped, I don't
agree with his solution.  Those who own businesses have the right to run
them as they see fit.  They are the ones that will lose, the workers can
always find another place to work.  They also took the risk, where as the
workers took none.  So I guess that's why I sometimes have a problem with
unions.  It's too easy for the workers to make claim that the company is
their.

Who was Karl Marx by the way?  He invented the idea of Communism.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Exley
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:35 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: union job


> Unions have no place in the IT/IS field.
I would have to disagree. Unfortunatly, I've been in a position where
I've felt it nessecary to use collective bargaining to get what we
wanted. What was it? We wanted to be treated fairly, and not have
to leave our jobs. This isn't to say that we couldn't get better paying
jobs elsewhere, it's just that we like the place we work so much
that we didn't WANT to leave. We felt the only way we could get
people to listen to our concerns was to threaten to leave as a
whole. It is amazing how quickly people start listening when the
entire IS department threatens to walk off the job. They wouldn't
have listened if only a few people made that descision. Maybe we
didn't technically have a union, but we were a union in spirit.

For another example of a white colar union, take a look at Boeing.
In the mid-90s, many of the engineers there felt that the company
was headed in the wrong direction, and felt that their concerns
were not being addressed. They loved working there so much that
they couldn't stand to see the company suffer due to the acts of a
few people in upper management. They decided to unionize, and
did in fact go on strike. That brought on changes very quickly, and
the people I've talked to about it generally regard it as a positive
experience.

Unionizing is sometimes the only way to be effectively heard and
respected. Sad but true.


ok i'm done.


Ben
-----
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Information Systems Manager
The Minnesota Daily
bexley@mndaily.com
(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 15 12:01:23 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109625@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I couldn't find any, but you could probably write a good one using a perl
script and lout (http://snark.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/lout/) pretty easily.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:01 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have a good looking pretty-printer for text based
> e-mail that outputs in postscript?  The a2ps e-mail feature 
> works but it
> ends up looking like a ransom note (badly mismatched fonts and
> bolding).
> 
> Ideally I'd like it to shrink and box the e-mail headers, and 
> italicize
> any quoted (>) text.  It would be nice if it shrank overly long lines
> to fit on an 8.5" sheet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kent
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 12:30:59 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
References: <20010314151954.E14240@real-time.com> <3AB031A0.89452C4@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3AB10A63.36D8C8D0@tc.umn.edu>

Shawn wrote:
> 
> Very, very interesting Bob....   I've been after our e-mail admin to
> download the client for Linux.  Needless to say he hasn't.  Guess I'll
> have to bug him some more.  One less thing that I have to worry about
> using Winblows for...  Unfortunately, I lose about 60% functionality of
> Notes when using the webclient.

The low level of support for Notes on Unix is something really weird to
me.  My Dad is a programmer at IBM, and he's been running
RS6000/PowerPC/Power3 AIX workstations for a very long time (~10
years).  For the past few years, IBM has been trying to use Notes for
mail.  There have been a few Unix Notes clients, but they were only
half-hearted attempts.  Many programmers have a second box just for mail
and dealing with weird documents (ie Word, Excel, etc).  Some people use
a VNC-like program to connect to a remote NT box to do the same thing.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Notes clients for platforms other than
Win32 and OS/2 never had much effort put into them because the Notes
folks expected OS/2 to run on every architecture that was important to
IBM.  Don't quote me on that, though.  Of course, since Linux is
basically fulfilling OS/2's promise of running on a large number of
architectures, I think IBM should really consider making a good Notes
client for Unix, or perhaps contracting with the Ximian folks to include
Notes support in Evolution.


Anyway, let me explain how I set up my Linux box at work to run in a
Notes environment.  I have Sendmail running on my system, and I told the
Notes server to forward mail to `mike@[11.22.33.44]' (including the
square braces, since my computer doesn't have much for a hostname).  I
set up IPChains so that only the Notes server can talk to Sendmail. 
There are a few problems, of course.

When Notes mail gets converted into ASCII, it is the ugliest thing on
the planet -- especially if there is a long chain of replies.  I often
have to guess at the usernames of people I'm supposed to send mail to,
since there is no integration with the address books.  Also, people I
send mail to will often try to send a reply directly to me@my_box (the
`Sender:' in a mail header), rather than to my real e-mail address (who
the message is `From:').  This might be a bug in the Notes client, but
I'm not sure..  It would probably explain why I don't get a whole lot of
mail at work.

[wandering off-topic]

Note that confusion between the Sender and From addresses has caused
trouble for a long time.  I first ran into the problem about 4 years ago
when I was using Linux on a dial-up connection at home.  I hadn't yet
learned _not_ to always log in as root, so my outgoing e-mail had
`root@blarg.foo.com' as the Sender, though my e-mail address was
properly set in the From: line.  At some point, I tried to subscribe to
a mailing list, and ended up getting `root@foo.com' (the administrators
of my ISP) subscribed to the list.  Needless to say, they weren't too
pleased.

I'm also certain that mike@tc.umn.edu has gotten my mail before, since
the somewhat braindead (but damn fast) University mail servers would
take my `mike@blah.reshalls.umn.edu' Sender address and change it to
mike@tc.umn.edu, even though the From: line was set correctly.  I could
have fixed it by changing my login name to hick0088, but that would be
just silly, IMHO.

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 15 12:34:18 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151005090.24253-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3AB10B2A.DEEDD952@ltiflex.com>

> Last time I got avifile/aviplay to work, it played WMV fine.
> 
> Course I can't get it to work on debian so I can't test.

I've got it working fine on Debian. What kind of troubles are you having?
(Compile avifile from source, I haven't had any luck with the Debian
packages.) 

--
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From kethry at winternet.com  Thu Mar 15 12:37:39 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103151224490.16387-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> agree with his solution.  Those who own businesses have the right to run
> them as they see fit.  They are the ones that will lose, the workers can
> always find another place to work.  They also took the risk, where as the
> workers took none.  So I guess that's why I sometimes have a problem with
> unions.  It's too easy for the workers to make claim that the company is
> their.

You're assuming that a) the worker is in an industry where there are a
plethora of jobs per worker (such is the case in general in the computer
industry) - and that b) the worker is in a geographical region that
supports the industry that person is in (ie., IT jobs are few and far
between in Northwest Arkansas, the corporate headquarters (and IT centers)
for WalMart and Tyson Foods - end result is that pay for someone in IT is
roughly about half of what is made here in the Twin Cities for a lesser
job...a friend of mine just discovered this when he moved up here) -- face
it, if jobs were so easy to come by in all areas, and corporations didn't
essentially eat up all available labor in small towns (ie., the best place
for a decent living wage in Muncie, IN, were one of three factories simply
because they were unionized - factory workers had great pay (you could
expect to earn up to about 14/hour for a secretarial job in a factory with
awesome benefits as compared to the 8/hour (8 was the going rate for
office manager type personnel) max anywhere else outside the unionized
factories - oh yeah, and benefits weren't all that great either - try
living on that with two kids in tow?  In IT in out of the way places, you
DON'T dare just leave to find another job 'cuz you could conceivably be
blackballed (saw that happen too - in IT) in the region...

I'm not saying unionization is perfect for all industries and all areas -
but it does have it's place in defending the worker who in a lot of places
is still given the shaft. Remember, unionization also had it's place in
our history and is the reason for a lot of the things we take for granted
today: child labor laws, minimum wage, etc...ie., Marxist theory put to
practice in American history hasn't moved us away from Capitalism, but
helped buffer the way for those people trying to take care of their
families in the fact of (let's face it) corporate greed and politics -
especially in a society where your share holders are MUCH more important
than the people who do the actual work.

Sorry - didn't mean to get on a soap box here...I've just gotten a ton of
these kind of messages today from a number of different sources....

Take care, 
Liz

> 
> Who was Karl Marx by the way?  He invented the idea of Communism.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Exley
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:35 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: union job
> 
> 
> > Unions have no place in the IT/IS field.
> I would have to disagree. Unfortunatly, I've been in a position where
> I've felt it nessecary to use collective bargaining to get what we
> wanted. What was it? We wanted to be treated fairly, and not have
> to leave our jobs. This isn't to say that we couldn't get better paying
> jobs elsewhere, it's just that we like the place we work so much
> that we didn't WANT to leave. We felt the only way we could get
> people to listen to our concerns was to threaten to leave as a
> whole. It is amazing how quickly people start listening when the
> entire IS department threatens to walk off the job. They wouldn't
> have listened if only a few people made that descision. Maybe we
> didn't technically have a union, but we were a union in spirit.
> 
> For another example of a white colar union, take a look at Boeing.
> In the mid-90s, many of the engineers there felt that the company
> was headed in the wrong direction, and felt that their concerns
> were not being addressed. They loved working there so much that
> they couldn't stand to see the company suffer due to the acts of a
> few people in upper management. They decided to unionize, and
> did in fact go on strike. That brought on changes very quickly, and
> the people I've talked to about it generally regard it as a positive
> experience.
> 
> Unionizing is sometimes the only way to be effectively heard and
> respected. Sad but true.
> 
> 
> ok i'm done.
> 
> 
> Ben
> -----
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> Information Systems Manager
> The Minnesota Daily
> bexley@mndaily.com
> (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190
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From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar 15 12:39:03 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bit shifting
In-Reply-To: <20010314175046.A15633@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103151035440.23850-100000@theo.egoode.com>

Piece of cake...

#include <stdio.h>
main() {
     unsigned long int x;
     fscanf(stdin, "%d", &x);
     fprintf(stdout, "%d", x<<4);
}

ernie <jdestefa> ~% cc -o bit bit.c
ernie <jdestefa> ~% echo 50 | ./bit
800
ernie <jdestefa> ~%
ernie <jdestefa> ~% export
TEST=`echo 50 | ./bit`
ernie <jdestefa> ~% echo $TEST
800


On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, John Joseph Trammell wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:42:05PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote:
>
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > main() {
> >     int x;
> >     fscanf(stdin, "%d", &x);
> >     return (x << 4);
> > }
>
> [ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo 1 | ./a.out
> [ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo $?
> 16
> [ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo 333 | ./a.out
> [ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ] echo $?
> 208
> [ bayazid ~/test/bitshift-001 ]
>
> Nice try.  Too bad I want to bit-shift values greater than 64...
>
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From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 12:47:42 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
In-Reply-To: <3AB10A63.36D8C8D0@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010315124646.12746B-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

Is it possible to mount an SGI filesystem, efs or xfs, on a linux box?

Colin Kilbane


From foeclan at winternet.com  Thu Mar 15 12:52:30 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] two, two of every message?
In-Reply-To: <3AB0FF04.5040100@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103151250360.16628-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Usually, when I've seen this, there have been two different addresses
listed for the 'to' or 'cc', suggesting that there are two addresses for
the mailing list out there.  Didn't we change the address a while back?
Is the old address still active?

--
Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Chris Bidler wrote:

> Jacqueline Urick wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone else getting 2 of every tclug message? or is it just me..
> > 
> > I'm not getting dupes of non-tclug mail..
> > 
> Sometimes I see this effect, but not with every message.
> 
> -- 
> <---------------------------------------------------------------------->
>  Chris H. Bidler                                   cbidler@talkware.net 
>  Associate Engineer, Sysadmin Group
>  Universal Talkware Corp.
> 
>  "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer
>   really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?"
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> 


From kethry at winternet.com  Thu Mar 15 12:57:49 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes under Linux
In-Reply-To: <3AB10A63.36D8C8D0@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103151245090.16494-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> I have a sneaking suspicion that Notes clients for platforms other than
> Win32 and OS/2 never had much effort put into them because the Notes
> folks expected OS/2 to run on every architecture that was important to
> IBM.  Don't quote me on that, though.  Of course, since Linux is
> basically fulfilling OS/2's promise of running on a large number of
> architectures, I think IBM should really consider making a good Notes
> client for Unix, or perhaps contracting with the Ximian folks to include
> Notes support in Evolution.

As much as linux users have been clamoring for it I doubt it will happen -
there's been a lot of talk and suspicion over whether or not there will
actually even be a Notes R6 or if it will be rolled into something else
(perhaps websphere?)...I think that perhaps if effort was put into
progressing Notes/Domino product development, you would also see effort
put into a *nix client. Without that I doubt highly that anymore effort
will be put into expanding the client platform. Especially since you can
use Netscape, and various other email clients to read Notes Mail -
especially if IMAP or POP3 are turned on at the Domino server.


Inasmuch as Notes is compared to MS Exchange, they are two very very
different products - Notes/Domino is a document database system and data
store - oh yeah, and it does some email - Exchange took the opposite
development path but using a relational database paradigm.

That's why, for the most part, while you can get your mail to work on a
linux platform using any number of work arounds, unless your Notes
Developers (using the WinTel architecture) are sharp enough to make their
apps web enabled to allow for the greatest access in a mixed platform
environment, you lose pretty much all of the true functionality of Notes.
On the same note, if your corporate standards are WinTel, then you're
probably screwed anyway, so....

> Anyway, let me explain how I set up my Linux box at work to run in a
> Notes environment.  I have Sendmail running on my system, and I told the
> Notes server to forward mail to `mike@[11.22.33.44]' (including the
> square braces, since my computer doesn't have much for a hostname).  I
> set up IPChains so that only the Notes server can talk to Sendmail. 
> There are a few problems, of course.

Yikes!

> When Notes mail gets converted into ASCII, it is the ugliest thing on
> the planet -- especially if there is a long chain of replies.  I often
> have to guess at the usernames of people I'm supposed to send mail to,
> since there is no integration with the address books.  Also, people I
> send mail to will often try to send a reply directly to me@my_box (the
> `Sender:' in a mail header), rather than to my real e-mail address (who
> the message is `From:').  This might be a bug in the Notes client, but
> I'm not sure..  It would probably explain why I don't get a whole lot of
> mail at work.

/me would absolutely love to work on developing a linux notes client
*heavy sigh* now to find a place where I can have fun with Notes (since I
know it fairly well) and *nix development environments all at the same
time.............

Liz Burke-Scovill

-- 
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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Thu Mar 15 12:57:50 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
References: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <m2zoemq2q9.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Jason Sowers" <jsowers@osii.com> writes:

> Who was Karl Marx by the way?  He invented the idea of Communism.

Right, I'd heard of him.  But then I went to a very liberal college.
-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 15 12:55:54 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BSA (Microsoft software police)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103142041330.9055-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 08:41:56PM -0600
References: <20010314195640.Z22273@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103142041330.9055-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010315125554.B23880@ringworld.org>

* Ben Kochie <ben@nerp.net> [010314 20:42]:
> no, but I have enough linux workstations for it to not be a problem ;)

They wont hit private people, and they wont go to universities.
Probally go audit the city or some medium size businesses.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 15 13:05:29 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <3AB10B2A.DEEDD952@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151304210.24330-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,


On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> > Course I can't get it to work on debian so I can't test.
> I've got it working fine on Debian. What kind of troubles are you having?
> (Compile avifile from source, I haven't had any luck with the Debian
> packages.)

Oh, it compiled. But when trying to play anything it says it "cannot open
video" or something (I'm not home right now, so I can't check).

And vcr isn't building AT ALL.

Maybe I'll go back to 0.5x instead of VCSing 0.6


-Yaron

--


From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 13:26:16 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
Message-ID: <010315132616.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Colin

I'm doing it here. Stop on by and I'll show you.

Ed

From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Mar 15 13:27:39 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: union job
In-Reply-To: <m2zoemq2q9.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOGCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I went to a technical college to learn about him.  I keep getting him mixed
up with Richard Marx.  Isn't that odd?

Shit, now I have that song in my head.



-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:58 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: union job


"Jason Sowers" <jsowers@osii.com> writes:

> Who was Karl Marx by the way?  He invented the idea of Communism.

Right, I'd heard of him.  But then I went to a very liberal college.
--
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From ben at nerp.net  Thu Mar 15 13:27:50 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BSA (Microsoft software police)
In-Reply-To: <20010315125554.B23880@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103151327140.13952-100000@chef>

awww.. I was hoping they'd come up and audit our network at the U. ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Ben Kochie <ben@nerp.net> [010314 20:42]:
> > no, but I have enough linux workstations for it to not be a problem ;)
>
> They wont hit private people, and they wont go to universities.
> Probally go audit the city or some medium size businesses.
>
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet
>
> "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
>


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 15 13:45:10 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
In-Reply-To: <010315132616.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 01:26:16PM -0600
References: <010315132616.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010315134509.C23880@ringworld.org>

* HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu <HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu> [010315 13:35]:
> I'm doing it here. Stop on by and I'll show you.

Heh, if you get it working nicely, give me a poke and I could probally
get Ben from LCSE to come by too, hes been interested in trying out XFS
soon.

(oh wow, since im sending to a umn email, my send-hook changed my
signature, fear.)
-- 
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Computer Science/ITLabs Systems Staff
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities

Aquarius: (Jan. 20--Feb. 18)
Words can't describe the things that will happen to you this week.
Fortunately, the mathematics of nuclear fusion can.  -theonion.com

From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar 15 14:19:11 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] two, two of every message?
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEDHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:12:58AM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEDHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010315141911.E1441@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:12:58AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
>Is anyone else getting 2 of every tclug message? or is it just me..

Here's a procmail recipe for filtering duplicates that works for me.

# Filter duplicates In case I get cc's from multiple lists.
:0 Whc: msgid.lock
| /usr/local/bin/formail -D 8192 msgid.cache

:0 a:
duplicates

>
>I'm not getting dupes of non-tclug mail..
>
>
>~j
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 14:55:39 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
Message-ID: <010315145539.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Well, now that I've seen Scotts' reply, I realize (quite sheepishly I might
add) that what's being sought is to take a disk from an sgi and slap it into a
Linux box. No, I haven't done that and that's what Colin desires to do, I'm
pretty sure. My apologies for the time/bandwidth wastage.

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 15 15:34:11 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151533220.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Anyone want to get rid of some 72-pin parity memory?

I picked up an Alpha off EBay, and want to put more memory in it.. (it has
64 right now; 8 8-mb SIMM's.. so I would need at least 16mb..)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Thu Mar 15 15:34:35 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
In-Reply-To: <3AB0F536.544AB4F@structural-wood.com>
References: <010315100321.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
	<3AB0F536.544AB4F@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <15025.13675.987124.13380@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

This may not work for you, since I don't know how you read email, but
I read email in emacs, and the ps-print package does just fine.

R

From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Thu Mar 15 15:49:06 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151533220.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <00f901c0ad99$c27d3180$eaaf7a81@doug>

Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:34 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory


> Anyone want to get rid of some 72-pin parity memory?
>
> I picked up an Alpha off EBay, and want to put more memory in it.. (it has
> 64 right now; 8 8-mb SIMM's.. so I would need at least 16mb..)
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 15 15:59:03 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
References: <010315145539.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB13B27.672C9876@ltiflex.com>

Well, Linux does support EFS and XFS filesystems. Both are experimental so
you'll have to enable "Prompt for development and/or incomplte code/drivers"
under "Code maturity level options" (make menuconfign or make xconfig)

SGI EFS filesystem support is under Filesystems and is present in 2.2.18 and
up (and possible earlier, 2.2.18 is the only 2.2 source tree I have handy.)

It's probally best to go with a 2.4 series kernel. I swear I saw XFS support
in 2.4.2, but I can't find it now. I do see EFS and SGI Partition support (I
didn't see SGI Partition support in 2.2.18, but that doesn't mean it isn't
there.) Check out http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ for XFS info. 

Hmm, on second thought, I belive I saw xfs stuff in dselect (Debian package
xfsprogs, and not to be confused with various fond servers) Pretty sure now
that you don't get XFS support without patches from the URL above. 

But in the end, the answer is yes, you can. Does it work? Haven't a clue.
Looks like it should though.

--
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Thu Mar 15 16:03:17 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151533220.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 03:34:11PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151533220.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010315160317.D6614@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Do you still have your Indy(s)?  Their memory will work in it.

Gabe

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 03:34:11PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> Anyone want to get rid of some 72-pin parity memory?
> 
> I picked up an Alpha off EBay, and want to put more memory in it.. (it has
> 64 right now; 8 8-mb SIMM's.. so I would need at least 16mb..)
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 15 16:17:11 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <20010315160317.D6614@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151616590.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> Do you still have your Indy(s)?  Their memory will work in it.

Yeah, but I don't want to strip a working machine of memory..  :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 15 16:17:53 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] supported filesystems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010315124646.12746B-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151617260.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote:
> Is it possible to mount an SGI filesystem, efs or xfs, on a linux box?

There is a native port of XFS to Linux. Should be able to mount a
SGI-created XFS volume just fine now.. not sure how much I'd trust it with
the data, though.  :)

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 15 16:19:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <00f901c0ad99$c27d3180$eaaf7a81@doug>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151619000.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
> Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff

Let me know if you find anything. I'm willing to pay reasonable prices, of
course..

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Thu Mar 15 16:28:18 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151616590.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <010901c0ad9f$3cabef00$eaaf7a81@doug>

Already done, they are all in a static bag...  Working pulls from various
PC's

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory


> On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> > Do you still have your Indy(s)?  Their memory will work in it.
>
> Yeah, but I don't want to strip a working machine of memory..  :)
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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>


From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Thu Mar 15 20:22:40 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151619000.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c0adbf$f9d02360$0200000a@charizard>

Nate,

    Just got done looking, all 8 meggers, sorry :(

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory


> On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
> > Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff
>
> Let me know if you find anything. I'm willing to pay reasonable prices, of
> course..
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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>
>


From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 15 23:01:57 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] sylpheed
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109630@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone heard of the mail program Sylpheed?  I just grabbed it from
http://sylpheed.good-day.net

Very cool.  It's small and fast, and I haven't had it crash yet.  Much more
usable than any other graphical mail client I've used in Linux.  Also has
support for multiple separate accounts, and when you compose a message,
there is a dropdown for which address you want it to come from.

If you use IMAP, it may not look like it works, but after you create the
IMAP account in it, you need to right click on the folder for it in the
panel on the left and go to "Create new folder", and create a folder called
"INBOX" (case-sensitive).  Then, you should just be able to click once on
the INBOX folder and all of your messages should show up.

Doesn't look like there's any support for PGP/GPG yet, but the manual is all
in Japanese, so I can't really tell.  

Jay


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar 16 00:27:16 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] sylpheed
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109630@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109630@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010316002716.0b1b9bad.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone heard of the mail program Sylpheed?  I just grabbed it from
> http://sylpheed.good-day.net
> 
> Very cool.  It's small and fast, and I haven't had it crash yet.  Much more
> usable than any other graphical mail client I've used in Linux.  Also has
> support for multiple separate accounts, and when you compose a message,
> there is a dropdown for which address you want it to come from.

I had been pointed to it by someone recently, though I apparently hadn't tried it.  A slightly older version was sitting in my downloads directory, apparently untouched other than being unpacked.

I just downloaded the newest version now, and you are right -- it's very fast and pretty well-featured.  Unfortunately, there are a bunch of little things that bother me, but that's probably just because I've used Netscape for so long.

There isn't an obvious way to change the order of the columns in the message list view (I like to see the Subjects first, for instance, but the default behavior is to have them _last_).  This composer annoys me (Using the up arrow jumps up a whole paragraph!  `End' goes to the end of a paragraph and `Home' goes to the beginning!  Aaah!), but that's just because it uses the generic Gtk+ text widget, which has those problems

Still, it's very nice for something with a sub-0.5 version number ;-)

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From rechpj at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 05:01:11 2001
From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103151619000.23325-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <001c01c0adbf$f9d02360$0200000a@charizard>
Message-ID: <3AB1F276.B883F38C@earthlink.net>

I was given a Packard Bell "Legend 2CD" 486 recently that I would like
to make into
my firewall/modem server.

It only has 16MB of RAM, two 8MB chips with two slots open.
I would like 32MB but I have no idea where you get RAM for a machine
that old.

Would it be the same RAM you are talking about in this thread?
Is all RAM the same for 486 clones? 

And how much are we talking for 8MB chips of this era?

Thanks

Paul Rech



Doug Hanson wrote:
> 
> Nate,
> 
>     Just got done looking, all 8 meggers, sorry :(
> 
> Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
> 
> > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
> > > Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff
> >
> > Let me know if you find anything. I'm willing to pay reasonable prices, of
> > course..
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500

From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar 16 08:25:05 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
References: <010315100321.2033425d@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
		<3AB0F536.544AB4F@structural-wood.com> <15025.13675.987124.13380@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <3AB22241.A618C844@structural-wood.com>

"Robert P. Goldman" wrote:
> 
> This may not work for you, since I don't know how you read email, but
> I read email in emacs, and the ps-print package does just fine.
> 
This isn't strictly for me, it's for the users at my company, although
it wouldn't work for me either :).

Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look in the ps-print package and see
if they have any ideas I can borrow, since it looks like I'm going
to need to re-invent the wheel for this one.

Thanks,
Kent

From ben at nerp.net  Fri Mar 16 08:39:43 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <3AB1F276.B883F38C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103160839040.31978-100000@chef>

try one of the remaining Computer Renaissance stores.. they usualy have
that kind of stuff, and depending on the manager, _sometimes_ decent
prices

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Paul Rech wrote:

> I was given a Packard Bell "Legend 2CD" 486 recently that I would like
> to make into
> my firewall/modem server.
>
> It only has 16MB of RAM, two 8MB chips with two slots open.
> I would like 32MB but I have no idea where you get RAM for a machine
> that old.
>
> Would it be the same RAM you are talking about in this thread?
> Is all RAM the same for 486 clones?
>
> And how much are we talking for 8MB chips of this era?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Rech
>
>
>
> Doug Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Nate,
> >
> >     Just got done looking, all 8 meggers, sorry :(
> >
> > Doug
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
> >
> > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
> > > > Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff
> > >
> > > Let me know if you find anything. I'm willing to pay reasonable prices, of
> > > course..
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar 16 08:41:50 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109625@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3AB2262E.F3E04DAE@structural-wood.com>

Entertainingly enough the latest lout was already installed on my linux system.

This looks like it going to be one of these projects where I spend 6 hours 
reading the documentation and spend five minutes implementing the solution.

Thanks for the pointer.
Kent


"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> I couldn't find any, but you could probably write a good one using a perl
> script and lout (http://snark.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/lout/) pretty easily.
> 
> Jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:01 AM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Nice looking text mail to postscript
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone have a good looking pretty-printer for text based
> > e-mail that outputs in postscript?  The a2ps e-mail feature
> > works but it
> > ends up looking like a ransom note (badly mismatched fonts and
> > bolding).
> >
> > Ideally I'd like it to shrink and box the e-mail headers, and
> > italicize
> > any quoted (>) text.  It would be nice if it shrank overly long lines
> > to fit on an 8.5" sheet.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kent
> > _______________________________________________

From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar 16 09:35:49 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
Message-ID: <sab1de87.026@mdh-gw1>

If all else fails, I like these guys:

http://www.memoryplace.com/

>>> ben@nerp.net 03/16/01 08:39AM >>>
try one of the remaining Computer Renaissance stores.. they usualy have
that kind of stuff, and depending on the manager, _sometimes_ decent
prices

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Paul Rech wrote:

> I was given a Packard Bell "Legend 2CD" 486 recently that I would like
> to make into
> my firewall/modem server.
>
> It only has 16MB of RAM, two 8MB chips with two slots open.
> I would like 32MB but I have no idea where you get RAM for a machine
> that old.
>
> Would it be the same RAM you are talking about in this thread?
> Is all RAM the same for 486 clones?
>
> And how much are we talking for 8MB chips of this era?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Rech
>
>
>
> Doug Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Nate,
> >
> >     Just got done looking, all 8 meggers, sorry :(
> >
> > Doug
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
> >
> > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
> > > > Let me look around.  I must have 30 sticks of assorted 72 pin stuff
> > >
> > > Let me know if you find anything. I'm willing to pay reasonable prices, of
> > > course..
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org 
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 
>

_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org 
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Fri Mar 16 09:16:54 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103160839040.31978-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:39:43AM -0600
References: <3AB1F276.B883F38C@earthlink.net> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103160839040.31978-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010316091654.A19403@mn.rr.com>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:39:43AM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Paul Rech wrote:
>> I was given a Packard Bell "Legend 2CD" 486 recently that I would like
>> to make into
>> my firewall/modem server.
>>
>> It only has 16MB of RAM, two 8MB chips with two slots open.
>> I would like 32MB but I have no idea where you get RAM for a machine
>> that old.

A little poking on Pricewatch (www.pricewatch.com) might turn
something up.

> try one of the remaining Computer Renaissance stores.. they usualy have
> that kind of stuff, and depending on the manager, _sometimes_ decent
> prices

UNCLEAN!  UNCLEAN!


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Fri Mar 16 10:19:36 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Media files under Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10961D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:06:52AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10961D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010316101935.A21770@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:06:52AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> I wonder if it would be possible to modify aviplay to load the windows .dll
> file that contains the wma code so it could play those files.  It already
> uses wine to load the .dll for DivX decoding.
> 

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys. Aviplay (from avifile) works
with asx (asf) files, but for some reason it didn't work with this
stream. So I ended up being stuck booting into Windows and
downloading Windows Media Player.  Now I just found that there is
an avi plugin in for xmms that's supposed to do asx files - I'll
have to give that a try.  Also, if you ever want to record
this kind of stream take a look at ASFrecorder - it seems to
work well.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |
crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |

From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Mar 16 10:26:04 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 72-pin parity memory
In-Reply-To: <001c01c0adbf$f9d02360$0200000a@charizard>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103161025550.30732-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Doug Hanson wrote:
>     Just got done looking, all 8 meggers, sorry :(

Ah well, thanks anyways!

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From kethry at winternet.com  Fri Mar 16 10:52:22 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161049330.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but thought I'd
ask as I get charged with researching various things to start moving the
company towards a linux based environment......

One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk technology -
has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
environment?

Thanks, 
Liz
-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Fri Mar 16 11:41:52 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161049330.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:52:22AM -0600
References: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFEEOBCJAA.jsowers@osii.com> <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161049330.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010316114152.B6682@knicknack.net>

I've used it under Linux although it's been a couple years.  It wasn't
a terribly big deal to set up then and it's probably easier now.  The
only issue I remember is that the default disk size was quite small (4
MB?).  That was relatively easy to overcome.

HTH,

Eric

On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:52:22AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but thought I'd
> ask as I get charged with researching various things to start moving the
> company towards a linux based environment......
> 
> One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk technology -
> has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> environment?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Liz
> -- 
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From barnabas at knicknack.net  Fri Mar 16 12:04:39 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Off-site data storage
Message-ID: <20010316120439.D6682@knicknack.net>

I know there are a bunch of admins out there, so I'll toss out the
question.  We are dissatisfied with our current off-site data storage
comany and are looking to find a new one.  Are there any out there
with which you've had good experiences?

Thanks for your help.

Eric


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 16 12:07:44 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109642@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Are you talking an actual piece of hardware that you buy that's filled with
RAM instead of platters, or are you talking a software based partition held
in memory?

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
> 
> 
> 
> Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but 
> thought I'd
> ask as I get charged with researching various things to start 
> moving the
> company towards a linux based environment......
> 
> One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk 
> technology -
> has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> environment?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Liz
> -- 
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Mar 16 12:08:54 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161049330.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB256B6.1A31E1C9@structural-wood.com>

Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but thought I'd
> ask as I get charged with researching various things to start moving the
> company towards a linux based environment......
> 
> One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk technology -
> has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> environment?
> 
> Thanks,
> Liz

Umm, by ramdisk do you mean having the linux kernel allocate a segment
of system memory to be used as a disklike device, or are you talking
about a physical device that you can attach via network (or SCSI
or fibre-channel).

I can help in the former case, or tell you that I think such things
exist for the latter...

Kent

From kethry at winternet.com  Fri Mar 16 12:47:21 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20010316114152.B6682@knicknack.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161243440.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

What kind of performance increase did you see? This is a concern because
at least in Windows (yeah, I know can't really compare it, but hey) Domino
can be something of a slow mover - we want to optimize it every way we can
- we know that we see a performance increase in Windows, and I want to
test Domino on linux both using RAM disk and without using it -

In response to another question Id' received via private mail - 

I was asked what I meant by RAM disk - in this case I mean configuring
extra RAM to be used as a RAM disk...

Oh, here's another question - how would this conceivably conflict with
swap space? Or, does the way linux uses swap partitions essentially negate
the benefits gained by using RAM disk configuration?

Thanks, 
Liz

 On Fri, 16 Mar 2001,
Eric Stanley wrote:

> I've used it under Linux although it's been a couple years.  It wasn't
> a terribly big deal to set up then and it's probably easier now.  The
> only issue I remember is that the default disk size was quite small (4
> MB?).  That was relatively easy to overcome.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:52:22AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> > 
> > Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but thought I'd
> > ask as I get charged with researching various things to start moving the
> > company towards a linux based environment......
> > 
> > One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk technology -
> > has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> > environment?
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Liz
> > -- 
> > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar 16 13:14:23 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161243440.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
References: <20010316114152.B6682@knicknack.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161243440.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010316131423.51abafab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Liz Burke-Scovill <kethry@WINTERNET.COM> wrote:
> 
> Oh, here's another question - how would this conceivably conflict with
> swap space? Or, does the way linux uses swap partitions essentially
negate
> the benefits gained by using RAM disk configuration?

The data stored in Linux RAM disks doesn't get swapped out -- it always
stays in memory.

-- 
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar 16 13:24:15 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161049330.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB2685F.758DAEF2@ltiflex.com>

Depending on what it is you're doing, you may want to look at the Linux
Terminal Server Project. (www.ltsp.org, lstp.sourceforge.net) Diskless thin
client goodness...

How are you thinking of using RAM disks? 

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 16 13:37:01 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Off-site data storage
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109645@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

We use Iron Mountain, http://www.ironmountain.com.  No problems at all with
them, and I used them at my last job too.  They are nationwide, so if you
have offices in other cities, you can take care of every office with one
account/bill.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:05 PM
> To: TCLUG List
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Off-site data storage
> 
> 
> I know there are a bunch of admins out there, so I'll toss out the
> question.  We are dissatisfied with our current off-site data storage
> comany and are looking to find a new one.  Are there any out there
> with which you've had good experiences?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Eric
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From kethry at winternet.com  Fri Mar 16 13:51:23 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20010316131423.51abafab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161349040.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> 
> The data stored in Linux RAM disks doesn't get swapped out -- it always
> stays in memory.

*nod* I understand that - so then does that increase the use of swap
space for other programs/services? Or am I completely off-base here?

And if it does and I'm not completely off-base, would that in turn mean
that overall system performance goes does because of the read/writing to
the swap partition on the physical drive?

Tanks, 
Lhiz
 -- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From networks at c4.com  Fri Mar 16 07:41:34 2001
From: networks at c4.com (networks@c4.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Targeted Email Address List of Investors...
Message-ID: <00001e8224fc$00007421$00006104@209.254.10.213>

Targeted Email Address List of Investors...

What could you do with a TARGETED List of a little over 100,000
US Email addresses of investors?

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from daytraders to long term investors.

Normally a targeted list of this type would sell for $0.15+ per address.
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.03 per address).

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Leave a voicemail including your name and phone # 
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From kethry at winternet.com  Fri Mar 16 14:08:50 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <3AB2685F.758DAEF2@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161402000.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> Depending on what it is you're doing, you may want to look at the Linux
> Terminal Server Project. (www.ltsp.org, lstp.sourceforge.net) Diskless thin
> client goodness...
> 
> How are you thinking of using RAM disks? 

See my previous post on Domino and RAM disks - at least in the Windows
platform, Domino works best if you have the OS & Domino on one spindle,
the databases on another spindle, and transactional logging for domino on
a third spindle...but because logging is reading and writing to a physical
disk (which isn't as fast as RAM) it creates a bottle next - and then if
you're in a small server environment where you have transactional logging
and db's on the same drive, it actually decreases performance because you
then have a double bottleneck. The theory on Windows is that if you have
transactional logging on ramdisk, then you save a read/write to the drive
and greatly increase performance...

What I want to find out is if ramdisk is even worth pursuing in
linux because of the way linux uses resources. We know that in general you
have better performance for the same hardware using linux than
windows...when I have the resources to test it (ie., a box big enough to
handle the multiple spindles) I want to check the muliple spindle thing
and see if it's worth pursuing that in linux as well.

Liz



 > 
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From barnabas at knicknack.net  Fri Mar 16 14:16:51 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161243440.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:47:21PM -0600
References: <20010316114152.B6682@knicknack.net> <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161243440.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010316141651.E6682@knicknack.net>

I didn't really use them, I just set them up for an engineer who
wanted to write a large amount of data very quickly.  I'm not sure he
ever got to the point of using the system I set up for him.  Sorry I
don't have more info.

Eric

On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:47:21PM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> What kind of performance increase did you see? This is a concern because
> at least in Windows (yeah, I know can't really compare it, but hey) Domino
> can be something of a slow mover - we want to optimize it every way we can
> - we know that we see a performance increase in Windows, and I want to
> test Domino on linux both using RAM disk and without using it -
> 
> In response to another question Id' received via private mail - 
> 
> I was asked what I meant by RAM disk - in this case I mean configuring
> extra RAM to be used as a RAM disk...
> 
> Oh, here's another question - how would this conceivably conflict with
> swap space? Or, does the way linux uses swap partitions essentially negate
> the benefits gained by using RAM disk configuration?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Liz
> 
>  On Fri, 16 Mar 2001,
> Eric Stanley wrote:
> 
> > I've used it under Linux although it's been a couple years.  It wasn't
> > a terribly big deal to set up then and it's probably easier now.  The
> > only issue I remember is that the default disk size was quite small (4
> > MB?).  That was relatively easy to overcome.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > 
> > Eric
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:52:22AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any research, but thought I'd
> > > ask as I get charged with researching various things to start moving the
> > > company towards a linux based environment......
> > > 
> > > One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM disk technology -
> > > has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> > > environment?
> > > 
> > > Thanks, 
> > > Liz
> > > -- 
> > > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
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> > 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 16 15:40:57 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109649@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I tested them for a very high capacity mail server to increase the speed of
the queue.  It was actually slower than using regular disk, you still have
the overhead of the filesystem, and I think it takes more CPU because of
something to with not being able to offload work to the DMA controller.

Try making one and test it with bonnie or bonnie++ (search on freshmeat.net
for them).  I had a box with 1GB of ram and I tested a 512MB ramdisk.  I
highly doubt you'll get much more performance out of it, a single SCSI disk
worked much better for me.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:17 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
> 
> 
> I didn't really use them, I just set them up for an engineer who
> wanted to write a large amount of data very quickly.  I'm not sure he
> ever got to the point of using the system I set up for him.  Sorry I
> don't have more info.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:47:21PM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> > 
> > What kind of performance increase did you see? This is a 
> concern because
> > at least in Windows (yeah, I know can't really compare it, 
> but hey) Domino
> > can be something of a slow mover - we want to optimize it 
> every way we can
> > - we know that we see a performance increase in Windows, 
> and I want to
> > test Domino on linux both using RAM disk and without using it -
> > 
> > In response to another question Id' received via private mail - 
> > 
> > I was asked what I meant by RAM disk - in this case I mean 
> configuring
> > extra RAM to be used as a RAM disk...
> > 
> > Oh, here's another question - how would this conceivably 
> conflict with
> > swap space? Or, does the way linux uses swap partitions 
> essentially negate
> > the benefits gained by using RAM disk configuration?
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Liz
> > 
> >  On Fri, 16 Mar 2001,
> > Eric Stanley wrote:
> > 
> > > I've used it under Linux although it's been a couple 
> years.  It wasn't
> > > a terribly big deal to set up then and it's probably 
> easier now.  The
> > > only issue I remember is that the default disk size was 
> quite small (4
> > > MB?).  That was relatively easy to overcome.
> > > 
> > > HTH,
> > > 
> > > Eric
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:52:22AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Ok - I'll admit I haven't gone out and done any 
> research, but thought I'd
> > > > ask as I get charged with researching various things to 
> start moving the
> > > > company towards a linux based environment......
> > > > 
> > > > One of the things we're interested in looking at is RAM 
> disk technology -
> > > > has anyone used it either in a WinTel environment or in a linux
> > > > environment?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, 
> > > > Liz
> > > > -- 
> > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > > > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > > > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar 16 15:54:52 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161402000.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB28BAC.59914CE9@ltiflex.com>

You'll probally see a performance boost on lower end hardware. (ATA-100 and
older scsi) When your start getting into RAID and fiber channel things may
be different. One thing not to do is creat a swap space on a RAM disk. 

Creating a RAM disk is fairly easy, as metnioned before the default size is
4mb. You'll probally want to read up on the docuemntation (Try
/usr/src/linux/Documentation or I think there's a RAM disk howto out there)

Geez, you get me all excited about "moving to a linux based enviorment" but
you're still using windows on your clients. Shame on you. :P Oh well, I can
dream...

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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From rechpj at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 16:08:13 2001
From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161402000.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB28ECD.F9EB5070@earthlink.net>

Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> 
> > Depending on what it is you're doing, you may want to look at the Linux
> > Terminal Server Project. (www.ltsp.org, lstp.sourceforge.net) Diskless thin
> > client goodness...
> >
> > How are you thinking of using RAM disks?
> 
> See my previous post on Domino and RAM disks - at least in the Windows
> platform, Domino works best if you have the OS & Domino on one spindle,
> the databases on another spindle, and transactional logging for domino on
> a third spindle...but because logging is reading and writing to a physical
> disk (which isn't as fast as RAM) it creates a bottle next - and then if
> you're in a small server environment where you have transactional logging
> and db's on the same drive, it actually decreases performance because you
> then have a double bottleneck.

None of this matters if all drives are fed by the same controller.
That's the bottle neck.
For best performance you need to separate all three subsystems onto
separate drives with separate controllers.

> The theory on Windows is that if you have
> transactional logging on ramdisk, then you save a read/write to the drive
> and greatly increase performance...

So if the machine goes down, you lose all your data?
Doesn't that defeat the purpose logging?


> 
> What I want to find out is if ramdisk is even worth pursuing in
> linux because of the way linux uses resources. We know that in general you
> have better performance for the same hardware using linux than
> windows...when I have the resources to test it (ie., a box big enough to
> handle the multiple spindles) I want to check the muliple spindle thing
> and see if it's worth pursuing that in linux as well.
> 
> Liz


Paul Rech

From kethry at winternet.com  Fri Mar 16 16:51:50 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <3AB28BAC.59914CE9@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161641340.22141-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> 
> Geez, you get me all excited about "moving to a linux based enviorment" but
> you're still using windows on your clients. Shame on you. :P Oh well, I can
> dream...

Unfortunately - without getting the Notes Design client to work flawlessly
under wine, we don't have a choice - Lotus has not put out neither a Notes
Client, nor a Notes Design client...nor an Admin client for that matter -
despite the fact that the server is on linux

> 
> --
> Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
> LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
> 21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
> Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Fri Mar 16 17:29:12 2001
From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109649@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.1010316181954.137896C-100000@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

I ran across this a while ago, it basically a PCI card with lots of SDRAM
on it that acts like disk space.

Don't know much more than the company propaganda but it's supposed to play
nice with linux.  They have various sizes, some with backup power for when
the machine is off.

Should give a speed adavantages over a disk... and not have the
overhead of a RAMdisk.

Might be worth a look.

http://www.platypus.net/


Charlie



On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I tested them for a very high capacity mail server to increase the speed of
> the queue.  It was actually slower than using regular disk, you still have
> the overhead of the filesystem, and I think it takes more CPU because of
> something to with not being able to offload work to the DMA controller.
> 
> Try making one and test it with bonnie or bonnie++ (search on freshmeat.net
> for them).  I had a box with 1GB of ram and I tested a 512MB ramdisk.  I
> highly doubt you'll get much more performance out of it, a single SCSI disk
> worked much better for me.


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 16 21:27:59 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware on a laptop
In-Reply-To: <200103162159.f2GLxBl22301@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010317032759.14786.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>

go a question about installing slackware on a laptop,

i try to install using the boot/root floppies, and at
some point, be it at the login prompt or while i am
doing fdisk or even bofore i put in the root disk it
just locks up... and two minutes later the computer
shuts down...

is there a reason for this? am i missing something?

anyways some info on the laptop:
its a CompUSA PII 300 with 64 Megs of ram and a 6.4 Gb
HDD
a Matshita CDrom, and all the other laptop stuff

 -munir


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From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar 16 21:56:22 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RAM Disks and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103161402000.21011-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3AB2E065.9AD47BA0@mninter.net>

I'm probably way off on left field, and thinking of old technology (well, a
couple of years) but what about using an IBM 390 mainframe running Linux, with a
VTS (virtual tape server) system connected to it?  Or have those gone by the
wayside to something else?  I forget the specs on the VTS system, but compared
to our old method of data processing it cut our total system processing time
almost in half.  I think we had two minor failures while I was at that job.
Though, we were running OS390 on it then, as I'm positive they're still running
it now.


Shawn


Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
>
> > Depending on what it is you're doing, you may want to look at the Linux
> > Terminal Server Project. (www.ltsp.org, lstp.sourceforge.net) Diskless thin
> > client goodness...
> >
> > How are you thinking of using RAM disks?
>
> See my previous post on Domino and RAM disks - at least in the Windows
> platform, Domino works best if you have the OS & Domino on one spindle,
> the databases on another spindle, and transactional logging for domino on
> a third spindle...but because logging is reading and writing to a physical
> disk (which isn't as fast as RAM) it creates a bottle next - and then if
> you're in a small server environment where you have transactional logging
> and db's on the same drive, it actually decreases performance because you
> then have a double bottleneck. The theory on Windows is that if you have
> transactional logging on ramdisk, then you save a read/write to the drive
> and greatly increase performance...
>
> What I want to find out is if ramdisk is even worth pursuing in
> linux because of the way linux uses resources. We know that in general you
> have better performance for the same hardware using linux than
> windows...when I have the resources to test it (ie., a box big enough to
> handle the multiple spindles) I want to check the muliple spindle thing
> and see if it's worth pursuing that in linux as well.
>
> Liz


From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar 16 22:01:03 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware on a laptop
References: <20010317032759.14786.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AB2E17F.DE18FC17@mninter.net>

What disks are you using?  Also, if it's that new of a system I'd think it could boot off of the cdrom.  When I loaded my Thinkpad (P2-266
i1720/390 series) it booted fine off of the cd.  It sounds to me like you're using the wrong disks.


Shawn


Munir Nassar wrote:

> go a question about installing slackware on a laptop,
>
> i try to install using the boot/root floppies, and at
> some point, be it at the login prompt or while i am
> doing fdisk or even bofore i put in the root disk it
> just locks up... and two minutes later the computer
> shuts down...
>
> is there a reason for this? am i missing something?
>
> anyways some info on the laptop:
> its a CompUSA PII 300 with 64 Megs of ram and a 6.4 Gb
> HDD
> a Matshita CDrom, and all the other laptop stuff
>
>  -munir


From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 16 23:12:57 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba and PDC
Message-ID: <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>

If anyone is still interested, I recently got Samba to
serve as a PDc for a domain of 9x and ME boxes, Domain
logins work, it maps user directories, syncs the time,
and runs login scripts nicely....... On a side not,
the samba PDC is behind 2 routes (2 486's running
FreeSCO), Works nicely if you forget about
collisions..... If anyone wants it, I can post my
smb.conf file, it's a good start!

My Network:

10.10.33.25 (My Box) -- 10.10.33.254(Router 1, eth0)
                                |
                        172.16.48.254 (Router 1, eth1)
                                |
                        172.16.48.253 (Router 2, eth0)
                                |
                        192.168.0.254 (Router 2, eth1)
192.168.0.199 (Samba PDC)
192.168.0.4 (Linux Web/Mail/File Server)

Jonathan A. Kline


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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Sat Mar 17 10:14:54 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba and PDC
In-Reply-To: <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <m266h8pe2p.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Jonathan Kline <jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com> writes:

> If anyone is still interested, I recently got Samba to
> serve as a PDc for a domain of 9x and ME boxes, Domain
> logins work, it maps user directories, syncs the time,
> and runs login scripts nicely....... On a side not,
> the samba PDC is behind 2 routes (2 486's running
> FreeSCO), Works nicely if you forget about
> collisions..... If anyone wants it, I can post my
> smb.conf file, it's a good start!

Yes, please!

Although it now appears that one of my housemates is running 2k, which
may block the project.  But I'm still curious, at least.
-- 
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From labmat at mn.mediaone.net  Sat Mar 17 10:21:54 2001
From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian (RC1)
Message-ID: <PGEALFAHLOADOPBLFBKIEEAFCBAA.labmat@mn.mediaone.net>

Just saw this on /. What do you guys think of progeny?

---Office Bitch---
"At your service sir... anything for a raise sir."
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar 17 11:13:05 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PHP help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103171059310.15469-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

I'm trying to get Apache to work with PHP files. I've built Apache 1.3.14
with Apache+ssl 1.3.14, and PHP 4.0.4pl1. I've nuilt php as a DSO. It
seems to have installed correctly. In httpsd.conf I've added:

	LoadModule php4_module        libexec/libphp4.so

and

	AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
	AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

Also

	AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3

because I'll be running php3 files.

If I run a test.cgi file that does a printenv, I see:

	Apache/1.3.14 Ben-SSL/1.42 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1

But accessing a .php or .php3 file just shows the source. I tried this
test.php:

	<HTML>
		<HEAD><TITLE>PHP Test </TITLE></HEAD>
		<BODY>
		<?phpinfo( ) ?>
		</BODY>
	</HTML>

I called it .php, .php3, made it executable, and I still get nothing.

Nothing in the error logs.


What am I missing?



-Yaron

--


From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 11:37:49 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba Config File (Support for PDC)
Message-ID: <20010317173749.50072.qmail@web5410.mail.yahoo.com>

Here you ago, It is attached exactly as it appears on
my system same names and everything!

Jonathan A. Kline
System Administrator
jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com

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# Samba config file created using SWAT
# from 10.10.33.25 (10.10.33.25)
# Date: 2001/03/14 21:08:36

# Global parameters
[global]
	workgroup = THE_MATRIX
	netbios name = DARKMAGE
	server string = The Matrix Mainframe, Darkmage, TUXs son.
	security = USER
	announce version = 2000
	name resolve order = wins lmhosts hosts bcast
	load printers = No
	domain admin users = jonathankl
	domain logons = Yes
	os level = 65
	lm announce = True
	preferred master = Yes
	domain master = Yes
	wins support = Yes
	Domain Admin Group = @netadmin
	admin users = jonathankl
	local master = yes
	logon script = %U.bat
	logon home = \\%N\%U
	logon path = \\%N\%U\profile
	encrypt passwords = yes
	smb passwd file = /usr/lib/samba/private/smbpasswd
	time server = yes


[netlogon]
	comment = Domain Logon Services
	path = /home/netlogon
	public = no
	writeable = no
	browsable = no

[backup]
	comment = Jonathan A. Kline's Backup
	path = /usr/local/backup
	#username = jonathankl
	guest account = 
	invalid users = nobody
	valid users = jonathankl
	read only = No
	#only user = Yes
	sync always = Yes

[%U]
	comment = Users Home Directories
	path = /home/%U
	public = no
	writeable = yes
	browsable = yes
	invalid users = nobody
	valid users = %U
	read only = no
From bradyh at bitstream.net  Sat Mar 17 12:14:06 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] USBanks and Mozilla
In-Reply-To: <m266h8pe2p.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>
References: <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010317120400.00954270@mail.bitstream.net>

FYI  I found a while back that I was unable to pull up the USBanks online 
site to check my account status and transfer funds etc from Mozilla.  I 
emailed them about it.  They never got back to me but now suddenly I can 
get in and do my financial transactions with Mozilla on my Linux box.  The 
web page still says they require Netscape or IE but that's hardly 
surprising...it's nice to see this kind of responsiveness.  I mean, unless 
it was just a coincidence.

Brady

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
~~~~~~~~~~~
"Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something 
really stupid."
- Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")

From drew at usfamily.net  Sat Mar 17 12:45:35 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] USBanks and Mozilla
References: <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <20010317051257.97015.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.0.58.20010317120400.00954270@mail.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <3AB3B0CE.E7B62C35@usfamily.net>

Well I've had the same problem, however I think that it was Mozilla that they
finally got working right, and not the USBank site to work with Mozilla

brady wrote:

> FYI  I found a while back that I was unable to pull up the USBanks online
> site to check my account status and transfer funds etc from Mozilla.  I
> emailed them about it.  They never got back to me but now suddenly I can
> get in and do my financial transactions with Mozilla on my Linux box.  The
> web page still says they require Netscape or IE but that's hardly
> surprising...it's nice to see this kind of responsiveness.  I mean, unless
> it was just a coincidence.
>
> Brady
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something
> really stupid."
> - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")
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From mike at getbent.net  Sat Mar 17 12:43:23 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and Cell phones
Message-ID: <01031712432303.11196@Dingo>

In Exchange it is possible for me to set up an Alt recp. so when some user 
gets an email they get an alert to their cell phone.   I assume this is 
possible in sendmail?

-- 


-----------------------------
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar 17 13:57:10 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and Cell phones
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10964C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

man procmail

I know you can do it with that, just not sure what you need to add to your
.procmailrc file...



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Nielsen [mailto:mike@getbent.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:43 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and Cell phones
> 
> 
> 
> In Exchange it is possible for me to set up an Alt recp. so 
> when some user 
> gets an email they get an alert to their cell phone.   I 
> assume this is 
> possible in sendmail?
> 
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> 
> 
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From foeclan at winternet.com  Sat Mar 17 15:36:34 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] USBanks and Mozilla
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010317120400.00954270@mail.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103171535570.3246-100000@parka.winternet.com>

It could be that Netscape 6 has been released, so they started to support
it.  I think they both identify themselves as Mozilla 5.0.


--
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Foeclan@Winternet.Com

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, brady wrote:

> FYI  I found a while back that I was unable to pull up the USBanks online 
> site to check my account status and transfer funds etc from Mozilla.  I 
> emailed them about it.  They never got back to me but now suddenly I can 
> get in and do my financial transactions with Mozilla on my Linux box.  The 
> web page still says they require Netscape or IE but that's hardly 
> surprising...it's nice to see this kind of responsiveness.  I mean, unless 
> it was just a coincidence.
> 
> Brady
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something 
> really stupid."
> - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From andyzib at ringworld.org  Sat Mar 17 18:12:21 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian (RC1)
References: <PGEALFAHLOADOPBLFBKIEEAFCBAA.labmat@mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3AB3FD65.1D19E770@ringworld.org>

Progeny is kinda neat. Mostly it is just Debian, but you'll notice a few
nice little features. Netscape has your common file types all setup to go to
the correct players (shoutcast links are passed nicely to xmms by default
for example) It is based off Potato, but it is definitly more cutting edge
than potato. (new XFree, updated pacakges, etc.) 

The kick-start install is slick, I didn't see the standard install as we
upgraded to Progeny from a potato install. It's getting closer to being
Debian for the masses.

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From ben at nerp.net  Sat Mar 17 18:38:01 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian (RC1)
In-Reply-To: <3AB3FD65.1D19E770@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103171832510.9284-100000@chef>

that's cool, scott and I and some others at the U of M want to do
something debian/progeny for standardized U workstations.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:

> Progeny is kinda neat. Mostly it is just Debian, but you'll notice a few
> nice little features. Netscape has your common file types all setup to go to
> the correct players (shoutcast links are passed nicely to xmms by default
> for example) It is based off Potato, but it is definitly more cutting edge
> than potato. (new XFree, updated pacakges, etc.)
>
> The kick-start install is slick, I didn't see the standard install as we
> upgraded to Progeny from a potato install. It's getting closer to being
> Debian for the masses.
>
> --
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From wilson at visi.com  Sat Mar 17 19:07:17 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian (RC1)
In-Reply-To: <3AB3FD65.1D19E770@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103171906080.21136-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:

> for example) It is based off Potato, but it is definitly more cutting edge
> than potato. (new XFree, updated pacakges, etc.) 

The Progeny Web site says that it's based on Woody. So you'll get more
current versions of packages than in the current Debian release.

-Tim

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From jwanderson at uswest.net  Sun Mar 18 10:12:34 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT  OpenBSD boot options
Message-ID: <200103181612.f2IGCZl24860@sprite.real-time.com>

I know I'm OT and  that I should send this to an BSD list but since I 
belong to this list and that there are several O-BSD users on the 
list...

Is the an equivalent boot option to "linux single" in BSD?  I set up 
a box some time ago then put it on the shelf...

 you know the rest

Thanks 
Jay

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar 18 11:19:01 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT  OpenBSD boot options
In-Reply-To: <200103181612.f2IGCZl24860@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103181118310.15469-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote:

> Is the an equivalent boot option to "linux single" in BSD?  I set up
> a box some time ago then put it on the shelf...

Since nobody answered yet...

Don't *BSD do Solaris style 'boot -s' ?


-Yaron

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From fertch at mninter.net  Sun Mar 18 14:41:45 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: AT Commands
Message-ID: <3AB51D89.BC55588E@mninter.net>

It's been a long time since I've ever had to edit AT commands on
modems.  In my pppscript file, I have an AT command line.  But when I go
to edit it, I get either script failures or it doesn't do what I need it
to.  How do I modify the command line when dealing with a couple of
different AT commands?  Such as AT&, AT*, etc.  Currently I have AT&FH0
in my command line, but need to add some other variables.  Do I add them
all in one string or can or should I do them in multiple lines?


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Sun Mar 18 14:44:55 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: AT Commands
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50755@mail2.ROG.COM>

You should be able to add them all on one line.  

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:42 PM
To: tclug
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: AT Commands


It's been a long time since I've ever had to edit AT commands on
modems.  In my pppscript file, I have an AT command line.  But when I go
to edit it, I get either script failures or it doesn't do what I need it
to.  How do I modify the command line when dealing with a couple of
different AT commands?  Such as AT&, AT*, etc.  Currently I have AT&FH0
in my command line, but need to add some other variables.  Do I add them
all in one string or can or should I do them in multiple lines?

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From foeclan at winternet.com  Sun Mar 18 20:44:13 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GhostScript/user issue
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103182035160.5312-100000@parka.winternet.com>

I'm having an odd problem with ghostscript.  I've been working on getting
my printer going (Lexmark z32).  I'm now to the point where everything
works fine if I'm root, but if I'm logged in as a normal user, ghostscript
spits out an error:

AFPL Ghostscript 6.50 (2000-12-02)
Copyright (C) 2000 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA.  All rights
reserved.
This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
Unrecoverable error: limitcheck in .putdeviceprops

This is from doing the enscript and gs commands manually.  Any ideas?  I
haven't found anything that'd require root priveleges in my searches of
the various ghostscript files. 

Any ideas?

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From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 07:00:22 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny
Message-ID: <20010319130022.31155.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>

Is anyone thinking about downloading Progeny and
burning ISO's for people? I'd be interested in paying
for them.........


Thanks
Jonathan Kline

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From labmat at mn.mediaone.net  Mon Mar 19 08:37:02 2001
From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny
In-Reply-To: <20010319130022.31155.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PGEALFAHLOADOPBLFBKICEAICBAA.labmat@mn.mediaone.net>

I downloaded the install and extras ISO, if anyone wants burned copies, send
me a private e-mail.

---Office Bitch---
"At your service sir... anything for a raise sir."
labmat@mn.mediaone.net
labmat@augusttech.com
http://www.labmat.net

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On
Behalf Of Jonathan Kline
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:00 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny

Is anyone thinking about downloading Progeny and
burning ISO's for people? I'd be interested in paying
for them.........


Thanks
Jonathan Kline

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Mon Mar 19 08:44:08 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trustix GUI...And the 2.4.2 kernel -- works!! ( sort of )
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150257190.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3AB61B32.A3D4D308@eetc.com>

I got it installed and everything seems to work fine.  I only had to upgrade the
util-linux and modutils packages.  I compiled the util-linux stuff and grabbed
the modutils rpm from Redhat 7.  Works great so far.
The Xwindows stuff looks a lot more complicated -- should be fun.

sim

"Kevin R. Bullock" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote:
> > > Another thing.  I am also trying to install the new 2.4.2 kernel and
> > > something has been bothering me.  Redhat 7 came out saying it was
> > > "Kernel 2.4 compatible".  What exactly does that mean?
> > The 2.4 kernel requires certain utilities. For example, you'll need to have
> > a certain version of the modutils package installed. Without the newer
> > version, you won't be able to run a modular 2.4 kernel.
>
> And you can see which versions are needed in the Documentation/Changes
> file in the kernel source tree.


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Mon Mar 19 09:32:32 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PHP help
Message-ID: <sab5d249.005@mdh-gw1>

This might help, but the machine I am on right now is compiled as a CGI (but it also requires an "Action".

AddHandler application/x-httpd-php3 .php
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php3 .php3

>>> jethro@freakzilla.com 03/17/01 11:13AM >>>
  Hi,

I'm trying to get Apache to work with PHP files. I've built Apache 1.3.14
with Apache+ssl 1.3.14, and PHP 4.0.4pl1. I've nuilt php as a DSO. It
seems to have installed correctly. In httpsd.conf I've added:

	LoadModule php4_module        libexec/libphp4.so

and

	AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
	AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

Also

	AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3

because I'll be running php3 files.

If I run a test.cgi file that does a printenv, I see:

	Apache/1.3.14 Ben-SSL/1.42 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1

But accessing a .php or .php3 file just shows the source. I tried this
test.php:

	<HTML>
		<HEAD><TITLE>PHP Test </TITLE></HEAD>
		<BODY>
		<?phpinfo( ) ?>
		</BODY>
	</HTML>

I called it .php, .php3, made it executable, and I still get nothing.

Nothing in the error logs.


What am I missing?



-Yaron

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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar 19 11:15:42 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] formatting new partitions
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191107050.1614-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

Let's say I want to create some ReiserFS paritions on a H.D. that's not
completely allocated yet. For the sake of argument, let's say that I've got
a 10 GB disk with 5 GB formatted as ext2 and all of it in one /
partition. The rest is unparitioned. (This isn't exactly my situation, but
it's analogous.)

What would be the procedure to create a new 2 GB partition, format it as
ReiserFS and mount it at /home? Further, are there any special
considerations if the same procedure is attempted with /var or any other
paritions?

I'd welcome any suggestions or pointers to relevents documentation.

-Tim

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From escargo at anubis.network.com  Mon Mar 19 11:22:07 2001
From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest.
Message-ID: <200103191722.LAA17337@rainier.network.com>

I did not hear anything from Wade.

Did the installfest have much extra hardware come in and out?

dsc


From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Mar 19 11:44:17 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] formatting new partitions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191107050.1614-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:15:42AM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191107050.1614-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010319114417.A741@vm-lvm>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:15:42AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>Let's say I want to create some ReiserFS paritions on a H.D. that's not
>completely allocated yet. For the sake of argument, let's say that I've got
>a 10 GB disk with 5 GB formatted as ext2 and all of it in one /
>partition. The rest is unparitioned. (This isn't exactly my situation, but
>it's analogous.)

Use fdisk to make the partitions making sure you don't modify the geometry of
any of the existing partitions. and then run mkreiserfs.

>
>What would be the procedure to create a new 2 GB partition, format it as
>ReiserFS and mount it at /home? Further, are there any special
>considerations if the same procedure is attempted with /var or any other
>paritions?

You need to cp -ax the data from the directory to the new partitions

mount /dev/newpart /mnt
cp -ax /var/* /mnt
edit your fstab, and remount. if all goes well drop to single usermode with 
init 1
unmount and rm -rf or mv the old data off to reclaim the space.

>
>I'd welcome any suggestions or pointers to relevents documentation.
>
>-Tim
>
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From foeclan at winternet.com  Mon Mar 19 12:13:31 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest.
In-Reply-To: <200103191722.LAA17337@rainier.network.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103191212210.29242-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Well, I managed to unload 11 machines and a large amount of miscellaneous
cables and other components.

--
Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, David S. Cargo wrote:

> I did not hear anything from Wade.
> 
> Did the installfest have much extra hardware come in and out?
> 
> dsc
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 19 12:42:07 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian developement version
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109656@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Is anyone here running the latest development version of Debian?  I'm just
wondering how far along it currently is and how close it is to being
released.

Jay

From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar 19 13:02:32 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian developement version
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109656@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191257360.9033-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Is anyone here running the latest development version of Debian?  I'm just
> wondering how far along it currently is and how close it is to being
> released.

Current release is "Potato." "Woody" is currently quite slushy, but not
technically frozen. The Debian developers are trying to implement an
incremental freeze this time instead of an all or nothing one like they did
with Potato. I've had no stability problem with Woody lately since they've
added a new unstable branch ("Sid"). Unstable has had a couple serious
breakages in the last month or so. One was related to a Perl upgrade, IIRC.

All in all, things have been peachy running Woody on my workstation and
Potato on my servers. I'm not quite ready to dist-upgrade to Sid on my
workstation. Once Woody is frozen solid I'll probably upgrade to unstable.

HTH,
-Tim

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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Mar 19 13:05:06 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] formatting new partitions
In-Reply-To: <20010319114417.A741@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191303110.9465-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote:

> You need to cp -ax the data from the directory to the new partitions
> 
> mount /dev/newpart /mnt
> cp -ax /var/* /mnt
> edit your fstab, and remount. if all goes well drop to single usermode with 

Anything special in fstab for ReiserFS?

> init 1
> unmount and rm -rf or mv the old data off to reclaim the space.

Can I do this remotely or do I need to be sitting at the console?

Thanks for the help, Ben.

-Tim

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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 19 13:30:26 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian developement version
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109656@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c0b0ab$0d7520d0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Debian is so slow at releases, I would not expect anything until March 2002.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] debian developement version


> Is anyone here running the latest development version of Debian?  I'm just
> wondering how far along it currently is and how close it is to being
> released.
>
> Jay
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Mar 19 13:37:52 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian developement version
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103191257360.9033-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3AB66010.5F1648E8@ltiflex.com>

I'm running sid both on my work machine and my home machine. I've managed to
avoid anything that will stop me from getting work done. Follow the Debian
Weekly News. If you can deal with high volumes of mail there are other lists
that will discuess breakages. Check the topic in #debian on irc.debian.org
before doing an apt-get upgrade, important breakages and the topic to ask
the infobot about for the fix and more info are usually given there. 

Just remember that the Debian Developers can (and will) reorgnize,
repackage, and break unstable at any time. 

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From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar 19 13:50:30 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <000a01c0b0ab$0d7520d0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow me
to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is there
anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the DMZ?
Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything that
will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
input/leads would be great.

Thanks

Jason Sowers


From ben at nerp.net  Mon Mar 19 14:18:09 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103191417460.3895-100000@chef>

yes.. ip port forwarding should do the trick for that.. it's part of the
ipchains stuff.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jason Sowers wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jason Sowers
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 19 14:19:11 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
References: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c0b0b1$dcad2a90$3028680a@tgt.com>

iptables (or ipchains) will do this on the machine that you want to foward
the port to.

man iptables  or see the HOWTO.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Sowers" <jsowers@osii.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:50 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching


> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow
me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is
there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the
DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything
that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jason Sowers
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Mon Mar 19 14:38:07 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:50:30PM -0600
References: <000a01c0b0ab$0d7520d0$3028680a@tgt.com> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010319143807.B1092@knicknack.net>

Is port forwarding what you want?  Port forwarding can take stuff
that's addressed to 111.111.111.111:80 and forward it to
222.222.222.222:5000.

Or do you want to have something that is addressed to
222.222.222.222:80 changed to 222.222.222.222;5000?  The latter I
don't know how to do, but I did run across the Advanced Routing HOWTO
the other day.  I didn't read it, but it looks very interesting and
might address this issue.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:50:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jason Sowers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar 19 14:57:59 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <20010319143807.B1092@knicknack.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFAEAKCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Actually, the first one is what I have been looking for.  I know IP Chains
really well, I have just never had to do anything like this with it.  I am
sure that I can figure it out now that I know IP Chains will do it for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Eric Stanley
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:38 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port switching


Is port forwarding what you want?  Port forwarding can take stuff
that's addressed to 111.111.111.111:80 and forward it to
222.222.222.222:5000.

Or do you want to have something that is addressed to
222.222.222.222:80 changed to 222.222.222.222;5000?  The latter I
don't know how to do, but I did run across the Advanced Routing HOWTO
the other day.  I didn't read it, but it looks very interesting and
might address this issue.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:50:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow
me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is
there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the
DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything
that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jason Sowers
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 19 15:30:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10965D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a pix since you
mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only allow access
from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change around the
ports.





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that 
> will allow me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you 
> network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your 
> network, is there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it 
> crosses the DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find 
> anything that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jason Sowers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From simeonuj at eetc.com  Mon Mar 19 15:54:55 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
References: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFAEAKCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <3AB6802E.95947748@eetc.com>

Is this part of portfw?  Part of the "ipmasqadm" package?  Because if it is
it's not really part of ipchains.  I think that most newer kernels have this
patch incorporated ( maybe not part of the standard 2.2.x kernel but
incorporated by most distros ).  I have seen it in all the distros I work
with.  I am sure it is in the new 2.4.x kernels.
The ipmasqadm is seperate from ipchains and contains a few binaries and a
kernel patch for 2.2.x kernels.
If I remember correctly it was fairly simple to install and is simply called
from the ipchains scripts.

sim

Jason Sowers wrote:

> Actually, the first one is what I have been looking for.  I know IP Chains
> really well, I have just never had to do anything like this with it.  I am
> sure that I can figure it out now that I know IP Chains will do it for me.


From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar 19 15:57:29 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10965D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFCEAMCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Well, that is naturally how I would do it.  This customer, however, is a
security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
corporate network.  I actually am supposed to have two DMZ's back to back
and be switching ports going through each one.  It doesn't make all that
much sense to me but I have to do what the customer wants.

Thanks all for your input.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching


Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a pix since you
mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only allow access
from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change around the
ports.





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that
> will allow me
> to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> example, if you have a web server that is outside of you
> network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> network, is there
> anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it
> crosses the DMZ?
> Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find
> anything that
> will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> input/leads would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jason Sowers
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 19 16:45:45 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10965F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> corporate network.

You mean from the outside world?  

as long as you only have something like:
static (inside,dmz) <virtual ip of db server on dmz> <real ip of db server
on inside>
conduit permit tcp host <virtual ip of db on dmz> eq 80 host <ip of
webserver on dmz>

Only the webserver on the dmz will be able to get in to the db server.
Someone would have to compromise the webserver to get in to the db server,
and they would still really not have an easy time compromising the db server
since they will only have access to it on port 80 (or whatever port you open
for it).  They'll still have access to the data on it though, but no matter
what setup you choose, if someone compromises the webserver they will always
have access to the db since the webserver must be able to talk to the db.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:57 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> 
> 
> Well, that is naturally how I would do it.  This customer, 
> however, is a
> security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> corporate network.  I actually am supposed to have two DMZ's 
> back to back
> and be switching ports going through each one.  It doesn't 
> make all that
> much sense to me but I have to do what the customer wants.
> 
> Thanks all for your input.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> 
> 
> Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a 
> pix since you
> mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only 
> allow access
> from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change 
> around the
> ports.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that
> > will allow me
> > to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> > example, if you have a web server that is outside of you
> > network that is
> > getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> > network, is there
> > anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it
> > crosses the DMZ?
> > Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find
> > anything that
> > will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> > input/leads would be great.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jason Sowers
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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> 

From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Mar 19 17:31:54 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
Message-ID: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm>

O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
that port? It makes no sense to me.

On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
127.0.0.1:3306 

I get "Can't bind requested address"

Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.


-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

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from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Mar 19 18:15:11 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more on stunnel / mysql (ATTN: veldy)
Message-ID: <20010319181511.A2004@vm-lvm>

O.k. here's my setup

hermes 208.210.145.141 test mysqld
bender 208.210.145.139 webserver (I am currently running a mysqld on :3306 on
this box, hence the 13306 below)

on hermes I am running mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1 and  stunnel -d 208.210.145.141:13306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306

on bender I am running
stunnel -c -d 127.0.0.1:13306 -r 208.210.145.141:13306

I wanna talk to hermes' mysqld from bender via a ssl-tunnel. This is just a test, if I can get this to work, I'll be punching through a firewall with stunnel.


when I run mysql -h 127.0.0.1 --port=13306 on bender I get 
ERROR 2013: Lost connection to MySQL server during query

and this in the log

Mar 19 17:59:17 bender stunnel[8325]: 208.210.145.141.13306 connected from 127.0.0.1:3965
Mar 19 17:59:17 bender stunnel[8325]: SSL_connect: error:00000000::lib(0) :func(0) :reason(0)

and on hermes when I do the above I get
Mar 19 18:02:47 hermes stunnel[7186]: 127.0.0.1.3306 connected from 208.210.145.139:3968
Mar 19 18:02:47 hermes stunnel[7186]: remote connect: Connection refused (111)

I saw this faq on stunnel.org:
SSL_accept: error:00000000::lib(0) :func(0) :reason(0)
I get the error

SSL_accept: error:00000000::lib(0) :func(0) :reason(0)

What does it mean?

Answer: That error means that your client has closed the connection before SSL
was negotiated. That probably means that you're trying to connect to your
stunnel daemon with a non-SSL client. Make sure you are using SSL on your
client.

Hey veldy how did you get around this? Are you able to run the mysql command
line app through stunnel? If not, I assume your webserver can talk to mysqld
through it, did you have to do anything wierd with your CGI? 
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From destef at destef.com  Mon Mar 19 18:54:38 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
References: <000a01c0b0ab$0d7520d0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <200103200054.f2K0s7w03453@destef.com>

a tiny program called "bounce" will do the trick. for instance, if i have
a box with a real IP 2.3.4.5 and an internet 10-net i can do the following:

bounce -p 8080 10.1.2.3 80

Any traffic coming in on port 8080 will be redirected to 10.1.2.3 port 80.
I think it only works for TCP since it allows the forwarding box to hold
the TCP connection open on behalf of the other machine. Therefore
it cant work for UDP since forwarding the packet is not how it works.

Let me know if you are interested and want the program (and source).


At 01:50 PM 3/19/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that will allow me
>to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
>example, if you have a web server that is outside of you network that is
>getting information from a DB server on the inside of your network, is there
>anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it crosses the DMZ?
>Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything that
>will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
>input/leads would be great.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jason Sowers
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From jsowers at osii.com  Mon Mar 19 21:26:19 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10965F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAPCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I know that and I agree with you.  I don't get it.  They are just worried
that someone is going to hijack that port and bring their company to it's
knees.  It's a large utility in Texas that is wanting this.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:46 PM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching


> security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> corporate network.

You mean from the outside world?

as long as you only have something like:
static (inside,dmz) <virtual ip of db server on dmz> <real ip of db server
on inside>
conduit permit tcp host <virtual ip of db on dmz> eq 80 host <ip of
webserver on dmz>

Only the webserver on the dmz will be able to get in to the db server.
Someone would have to compromise the webserver to get in to the db server,
and they would still really not have an easy time compromising the db server
since they will only have access to it on port 80 (or whatever port you open
for it).  They'll still have access to the data on it though, but no matter
what setup you choose, if someone compromises the webserver they will always
have access to the db since the webserver must be able to talk to the db.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:57 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
>
>
> Well, that is naturally how I would do it.  This customer,
> however, is a
> security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> corporate network.  I actually am supposed to have two DMZ's
> back to back
> and be switching ports going through each one.  It doesn't
> make all that
> much sense to me but I have to do what the customer wants.
>
> Thanks all for your input.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
>
>
> Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a
> pix since you
> mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only
> allow access
> from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change
> around the
> ports.
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that
> > will allow me
> > to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For
> > example, if you have a web server that is outside of you
> > network that is
> > getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> > network, is there
> > anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it
> > crosses the DMZ?
> > Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find
> > anything that
> > will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> > input/leads would be great.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jason Sowers
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jasonj at innominatus.com  Mon Mar 19 23:28:39 2001
From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com>

Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my database
interaction for atleast 6 months.

Client Web Server Side:
IP: Any IP
box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback, not
accessible from any other interfaces

Server MySQL Side:
IP: 10.10.10.5
box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and forwards traffic
from ethX to local loopback
/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound to local
loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces

Test:
box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
?
3.22.32KiQ;n=&A

3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box I ran this
test on. So it worked.


the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on 'ethX'
wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers anyway, I just
do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.




Ben Lutgens wrote:

> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
> that port? It makes no sense to me.
>
> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
> 127.0.0.1:3306
>
> I get "Can't bind requested address"
>
> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
>
> --
> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>
> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 20 01:18:54 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109661@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> I know that and I agree with you.  I don't get it.  They are 
> just worried
> that someone is going to hijack that port and bring their 
> company to it's
> knees.  It's a large utility in Texas that is wanting this.

If they don't know enough to do the work themselves and need to hire a
security consultant (you) to do it for them, shouldn't they listen to your
recommendations instead of coming up with their own ideas about something
they know little about?  

Of course, I know how some customers can be, and if they're paying you the
cash, do it however they want it done, as long as you don't have to support
it once it's implemented.  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:26 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> 
> 
> I know that and I agree with you.  I don't get it.  They are 
> just worried
> that someone is going to hijack that port and bring their 
> company to it's
> knees.  It's a large utility in Texas that is wanting this.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:46 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> 
> 
> > security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> > corporate network.
> 
> You mean from the outside world?
> 
> as long as you only have something like:
> static (inside,dmz) <virtual ip of db server on dmz> <real ip 
> of db server
> on inside>
> conduit permit tcp host <virtual ip of db on dmz> eq 80 host <ip of
> webserver on dmz>
> 
> Only the webserver on the dmz will be able to get in to the db server.
> Someone would have to compromise the webserver to get in to 
> the db server,
> and they would still really not have an easy time 
> compromising the db server
> since they will only have access to it on port 80 (or 
> whatever port you open
> for it).  They'll still have access to the data on it though, 
> but no matter
> what setup you choose, if someone compromises the webserver 
> they will always
> have access to the db since the webserver must be able to 
> talk to the db.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:57 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Well, that is naturally how I would do it.  This customer,
> > however, is a
> > security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> > corporate network.  I actually am supposed to have two DMZ's
> > back to back
> > and be switching ports going through each one.  It doesn't
> > make all that
> > much sense to me but I have to do what the customer wants.
> >
> > Thanks all for your input.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a
> > pix since you
> > mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only
> > allow access
> > from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change
> > around the
> > ports.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that
> > > will allow me
> > > to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses 
> a DMZ?  For
> > > example, if you have a web server that is outside of you
> > > network that is
> > > getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> > > network, is there
> > > anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it
> > > crosses the DMZ?
> > > Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find
> > > anything that
> > > will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> > > input/leads would be great.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jason Sowers
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From fertch at mninter.net  Tue Mar 20 08:17:18 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
Message-ID: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net>

 Here's a mail question that's more of a personal choice than anything
tech related I think.  I'm looking at starting to use sendmail as my
mail program for personal use.  I'll eventually be using it for my
server as well, but that's a bit down the line.  What I'm curious on is
how sendmail works with attachments, and also how it interacts in a
browser.  When a mail is generated that has an attachment to it, how is
it for ease of use in putting the attachment in and more so in detaching
the attachment?  As to how sendmail interacts with a browser, how does
it work with links in the body of the letter?  Does it have the html
linking like Netscape does or do you have to C&P it to the browser?
Finally, when in a browser and if you click on a mail link, does it
launch sendmail with auto addressing or do you have to manually enter in
the address after launching it?

Sorry for the barrage of mail questions here, but I'm just trying to
get  a feel for what is available in sendmail.

Shawn


From jsowers at osii.com  Tue Mar 20 08:27:35 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109661@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEBCCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

There is really no explanation that I know of to date as to why people do
the things that they do.  Why do people go to McDonalds, order a Double
Quarter Pounder with Cheese, Super Size Fries and a Diet Coke?  It doesn't
make any sense.  The only thing we can do about it is shake our head when
their back is turned and smile.

Anyway, thanks everyone for all the help.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:19 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching


> I know that and I agree with you.  I don't get it.  They are
> just worried
> that someone is going to hijack that port and bring their
> company to it's
> knees.  It's a large utility in Texas that is wanting this.

If they don't know enough to do the work themselves and need to hire a
security consultant (you) to do it for them, shouldn't they listen to your
recommendations instead of coming up with their own ideas about something
they know little about?

Of course, I know how some customers can be, and if they're paying you the
cash, do it however they want it done, as long as you don't have to support
it once it's implemented.  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:26 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
>
>
> I know that and I agree with you.  I don't get it.  They are
> just worried
> that someone is going to hijack that port and bring their
> company to it's
> knees.  It's a large utility in Texas that is wanting this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:46 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
>
>
> > security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> > corporate network.
>
> You mean from the outside world?
>
> as long as you only have something like:
> static (inside,dmz) <virtual ip of db server on dmz> <real ip
> of db server
> on inside>
> conduit permit tcp host <virtual ip of db on dmz> eq 80 host <ip of
> webserver on dmz>
>
> Only the webserver on the dmz will be able to get in to the db server.
> Someone would have to compromise the webserver to get in to
> the db server,
> and they would still really not have an easy time
> compromising the db server
> since they will only have access to it on port 80 (or
> whatever port you open
> for it).  They'll still have access to the data on it though,
> but no matter
> what setup you choose, if someone compromises the webserver
> they will always
> have access to the db since the webserver must be able to
> talk to the db.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:57 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Well, that is naturally how I would do it.  This customer,
> > however, is a
> > security freak.  They don't want that port open all the way to their
> > corporate network.  I actually am supposed to have two DMZ's
> > back to back
> > and be switching ports going through each one.  It doesn't
> > make all that
> > much sense to me but I have to do what the customer wants.
> >
> > Thanks all for your input.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Port switching
> >
> >
> > Why can't you just make a conduit (I assume you're using a
> > pix since you
> > mentioned cisco) to port 80 on the internal machine and only
> > allow access
> > from the outside (dmz) one?  Then you don't need to to change
> > around the
> > ports.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Sowers [mailto:jsowers@osii.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:51 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there that
> > > will allow me
> > > to switch TCP/UDP ports of communication as it traverses
> a DMZ?  For
> > > example, if you have a web server that is outside of you
> > > network that is
> > > getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> > > network, is there
> > > anyway to switch the packet from port 80 to port 5000 as it
> > > crosses the DMZ?
> > > Maybe Linux can do it or some package on Linux.  I can't find
> > > anything that
> > > will do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.  Any
> > > input/leads would be great.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jason Sowers
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 08:27:55 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200827180.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

>  Here's a mail question that's more of a personal choice than anything
> tech related I think.  I'm looking at starting to use sendmail as my
> mail program for personal use.

Ummm... are you SURE you mean sendmail?

Sendmail is an MTA, it's not a program you use to read mail with. It just
delivers it between machines.


-Yaron

--


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 08:37:54 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:17:18AM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Well, although you can send mails with sendmail, I think you're confusing
an MTA (Mail Transfer Agent) with an MUA (Mail User Agent).  Sendmail is an
MTA and is primarily used for actually sending emails.  Netscape Mail,
mutt, pine are examples of MUAs and are used to compose a message and
modify mail headers and such.  An MUA passes a composed message to an MTA
to be sent out.

I could be confused as to what you're asking, but your question is itself
confusing :)

Gabe

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:17:18AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
>  Here's a mail question that's more of a personal choice than anything
> tech related I think.  I'm looking at starting to use sendmail as my
> mail program for personal use.  I'll eventually be using it for my
> server as well, but that's a bit down the line.  What I'm curious on is
> how sendmail works with attachments, and also how it interacts in a
> browser.  When a mail is generated that has an attachment to it, how is
> it for ease of use in putting the attachment in and more so in detaching
> the attachment?  As to how sendmail interacts with a browser, how does
> it work with links in the body of the letter?  Does it have the html
> linking like Netscape does or do you have to C&P it to the browser?
> Finally, when in a browser and if you click on a mail link, does it
> launch sendmail with auto addressing or do you have to manually enter in
> the address after launching it?
> 
> Sorry for the barrage of mail questions here, but I'm just trying to
> get  a feel for what is available in sendmail.
> 
> Shawn
> 
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From blayer at qwest.net  Sun Mar 18 14:57:18 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200827180.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3AB5212E.11255107@qwest.net>

Ok, I guess I'm just a wee little bit irritated with the folks in Redmond
today. Someone I know gave me two OEM copies of MS NTWS 4.0 that I decided
to sell on eBay. Microsoft had the "action removed at their request" because
I am (apparently) beholdant to some licensing agreement that is sealed
inside this un-opened software package.  I guess MS auto-trolls eBay 24 hrs
a day...

Now since I have never opened the package, nor was I aware that there was an
agreement therin, how could I ever be construed as a party in a license
agreement? Sure, there is a tiny little blurb on the cover that says "For
Distribution with a new PC only" - but that is like saying "Use only
approved cleaning products", or "not packaged for individual sale"... It
reads like a simple suggestion or inducement,  not a legal order that must
be obeyed OR ELSE.

How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's
not like the software is stolen, counterfeit etc. If MS was so deeply
concerned with the way in which their product might be distributed, why
didn't they take effective steps at the time the product was released, or
not release it at all?

Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
that prove it...

         .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)

They really do own the world, don't they? =/

B








From fertch at mninter.net  Tue Mar 20 09:12:44 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>

Hi, I'm confused.  Nice to meet you...  Just smack me upside the head please.

 Everyone talks about using Pine, or other text based mail programs.  I was just
curious as to how the text based mail programs relate and tie in with web
browsers.  Maybe it's just easier for me to use Netscape mail still.  what I'm
looking at though is to be able to get mail outside of my browser so I don't have
to run netscape in the background.  That's where I was thinking of using sendmail,
besides it's already installed.  Maybe Pine would be a better option?  Or, Bob had
talked about one that acts like Lookout.


Confused.

dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> Well, although you can send mails with sendmail, I think you're confusing
> an MTA (Mail Transfer Agent) with an MUA (Mail User Agent).  Sendmail is an
> MTA and is primarily used for actually sending emails.  Netscape Mail,
> mutt, pine are examples of MUAs and are used to compose a message and
> modify mail headers and such.  An MUA passes a composed message to an MTA
> to be sent out.
>
> I could be confused as to what you're asking, but your question is itself
> confusing :)
>
> Gabe


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar 20 09:08:33 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB77271.1684E24B@ltiflex.com>

You didn't mention a LDA (Local Delivery Agent, could also be refered to as
a MDA. Most likely this is procmail on your linux system.) See the Mail
Administrator HOWTO to figure out how e-mail works. 
( http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO-3.html,
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html )

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 09:22:00 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:12:44AM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010320092200.C17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Yep, you're still confused.  Pine is a program for composing messages (just
like Netscape mail).  Once you've composed your message in pine and "send"
it, the mail is then passed off to sendmail to actually be sent.
Essentially, pine and netscape mail serve the same purpose.

Text based mail readers/composers (MUAs) don't tie in the web based email
or gui-based MUAs at all.  But both tie in with sendmail in order to send
your emails.  

Like Andy said, read the howto for more info.

Gabe

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:12:44AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
> Hi, I'm confused.  Nice to meet you...  Just smack me upside the head please.
> 
>  Everyone talks about using Pine, or other text based mail programs.  I was just
> curious as to how the text based mail programs relate and tie in with web
> browsers.  Maybe it's just easier for me to use Netscape mail still.  what I'm
> looking at though is to be able to get mail outside of my browser so I don't have
> to run netscape in the background.  That's where I was thinking of using sendmail,
> besides it's already installed.  Maybe Pine would be a better option?  Or, Bob had
> talked about one that acts like Lookout.
> 
> 
> Confused.
> 

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gabe Turner				       |  	   X-President,
UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. 
 And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh."
 						- Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 09:26:51 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
	<3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010320092651.207dd6ae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Shawn <fertch@mninter.net> wrote:
> 
>  Everyone talks about using Pine, or other text based mail programs.  I
> was just curious as to how the text based mail programs relate and tie
> in with web browsers.  Maybe it's just easier for me to use Netscape
> mail still.  what I'm looking at though is to be able to get mail
> outside of my browser so I don't have to run netscape in the background.
> That's where I was thinking of using sendmail, besides it's already
> installed.  Maybe Pine would be a better option?  Or, Bob had talked
> about one that acts like Lookout.

Sendmail is not meant to be used by humans.  When sending a message
through Sendmail, there isn't any interactive editing capability, and it
provides no facility for reading messages.  It's just meant to be used by
mail client programs when they send messages.

Anyway, if you want a text-based mail client, the two recommendations are
usually for mutt and pine.  If you want a good graphical client, join the
club ;-)  Actually, Sylpheed is getting pretty good.  Last time I checked,
Evolution wasn't able to compose new messages (at least on my system, so
same difference), so it's not a great choice right now, IMHO.

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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   the inside out. 
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Tue Mar 20 09:27:30 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
Message-ID: <sab7228c.040@mdh-gw1>

Email Ebay back and let them know you're doing nothing that is illegal and you will be taking your business elsewhere.

Then try another auction site.

>>> blayer@qwest.net 03/18/01 02:57PM >>>
Ok, I guess I'm just a wee little bit irritated with the folks in Redmond
today. Someone I know gave me two OEM copies of MS NTWS 4.0 that I decided
to sell on eBay. Microsoft had the "action removed at their request" because
I am (apparently) beholdant to some licensing agreement that is sealed
inside this un-opened software package.  I guess MS auto-trolls eBay 24 hrs
a day...

Now since I have never opened the package, nor was I aware that there was an
agreement therin, how could I ever be construed as a party in a license
agreement? Sure, there is a tiny little blurb on the cover that says "For
Distribution with a new PC only" - but that is like saying "Use only
approved cleaning products", or "not packaged for individual sale"... It
reads like a simple suggestion or inducement,  not a legal order that must
be obeyed OR ELSE.

How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's
not like the software is stolen, counterfeit etc. If MS was so deeply
concerned with the way in which their product might be distributed, why
didn't they take effective steps at the time the product was released, or
not release it at all?

Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
that prove it...

         .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)

They really do own the world, don't they? =/

B







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From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Mar 20 09:28:14 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:12:44AM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010320092814.A1619@wookimus.net>

Shawn wrote:
> Hi, I'm confused.  Nice to meet you...  Just smack me
> upside the head please.

*SMACK*  Feel better? ;-)

> Everyone talks about using Pine, or other text based mail
> programs.  I was just curious as to how the text based
> mail programs relate and tie in with web browsers.  Maybe
> it's just easier for me to use Netscape mail still.  what
> I'm looking at though is to be able to get mail outside of
> my browser so I don't have to run netscape in the
> background.  That's where I was thinking of using
> sendmail, besides it's already installed.  Maybe Pine
> would be a better option?  Or, Bob had talked about one
> that acts like Lookout.

OK.  Quick crash course you could probably get in any Mail
FAQ.  In order to use pine or mutt, Mail User Agents
(MUA's), you have to do a number of things.  They're not all
that difficult to set up, but steps you have to take, none
the less.

Firstly, you need to retrieve your email from other sources
(POP or IMAP) and deliver it to your local machine.
fetchmail(1) is the best tool for this -- bar none.  Used in
combination with procmail(1) as your local delivery agent
(LDA), it makes a powerful combination for filtering
incoming mail, blocking spam, and other useful things.

	bash# apt-get install fetchmail procmail

The next step is to send email via SMTP.  If your box is
behind a firewall, or if you'd like your ISP to deliver your
email for you, configure your Mail Transport Agent to act as
a "null client".  In other words, it simply forwards mail to
your "smart hub" to be delivered.  A very minimalistic MTA
is ssmtp(1).  If you want more power, you can use MTA's such
as postfix (my favorite), sendmail, exim, smail, or even
qmail(in non-free, I believe).  They all work fine for this
capacity.  I would suggest ssmtp if you're using your ISP to
relay for you.

	bash# apt-get install ssmtp

The rest, such as setup, you should be able to gather on
your own through /usr/share/doc/<package> and the various
HOWTO's available at http://www.linuxdoc.org.  (Or, install
the HOWTO's locally.)

--
^chewie

Sorry about not signing my email...I can't get access to my
home workstation today. CCW-20010320

From wookimus at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 09:30:10 2001
From: wookimus at real-time.com (^chewie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <20010320092814.A1619@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:28:14AM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net> <20010320092814.A1619@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20010320093010.B1619@wookimus.net>

> 	bash# apt-get install fetchmail procmail
> 	bash# apt-get install ssmtp

Forgot I was replying to TCLUG.  You might not be using Debian (poor
bastard).  Use the relative installation pathways for your installed
distribution. ;-)

-- 
^chewie

Sorry about not signing my email...I can't get access to my
home workstation today. CCW-20010320

From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org  Tue Mar 20 08:52:05 2001
From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
In-Reply-To: <3AB5212E.11255107@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 02:57:18PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200827180.19286-100000@dragon> <3AB5212E.11255107@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <20010320085205.A2439@mn.rr.com>

On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 02:57:18PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote:
[rant snipped]
> Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
> 1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
> activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
> link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
> the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
> that prove it...
> 
>          .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)

The Boy Scouts of America?  What would a Marketdroid merit badge
look like?  :-)


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 09:32:30 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <20010320092200.C17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> Yep, you're still confused.  Pine is a program for composing messages (just
> like Netscape mail).  Once you've composed your message in pine and "send"
> it, the mail is then passed off to sendmail to actually be sent.
> Essentially, pine and netscape mail serve the same purpose.

I think what he means is, if someone sends you a URL within the message,
etc.

Pine can handle this - it'll launch a Netscape window. You can set it up
to launch image viewers as well.

You might've been hearing about Evolution - it's a somewhat-kinda Outlook
clone.

A lot of people use Mutt. I tried it for a while but I'm back to Pine
now.


-Yaron

--


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Tue Mar 20 09:44:33 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Swiss Cheese
Message-ID: <sab72692.030@mdh-gw1>

How in the world do you do that? I am thinking with a tiny, little melon baller, but why?!?

>>> hick0088@tc.umn.edu 03/20/01 09:26AM >>>
I eat swiss cheese from the inside out. 


From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Mar 20 09:50:03 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Port switching
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:50:30PM -0600
References: <000a01c0b0ab$0d7520d0$3028680a@tgt.com> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEAHCKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010320095003.C1619@wookimus.net>

Jason Sowers wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is hardware/software out there
> that will allow me to switch TCP/UDP ports of
> communication as it traverses a DMZ?  For example, if you
> have a web server that is outside of you network that is
> getting information from a DB server on the inside of your
> network, is there anyway to switch the packet from port 80
> to port 5000 as it crosses the DMZ?  Maybe Linux can do it
> or some package on Linux.  I can't find anything that will
> do it.  Cisco can't so I don't know really where to go.
> Any input/leads would be great.

#!/bin/sh
#
# NAT script to "port forward" packets from destination port
# 80 to destination port 5000
#
# Required: Linux 2.4 and iptables(1)
#
IPT=/usr/sbin/iptables
EXTIF=eth0 
INTIF=eth1 
EXTIP=209.98.212.224
WEBIP=209.98.212.225
DBIP=192.168.1.10

# Destination Network Address Translation
$IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -i $EXTIF -s $WEBIP/32 -d $EXTIP/32 \
        -p tcp --dport 80 --to $DBIP:5000

# Accept the packet for fowarding
$IPT -t filter -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -i $INTIF -s $WEBIP/32 -d $DBIP/32 \
        -p tcp --dport 80

echo "Read the NAT and Filtering HOWTO's provided with iptables(1)"

-- 
^chewie

Sorry about not signing my email...I can't get access to my
home workstation today. CCW-20010320

From ben at nerp.net  Tue Mar 20 09:50:38 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
In-Reply-To: <3AB5212E.11255107@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103200941380.25527-100000@chef>

yes, it's all a bunch of crap, but they can choose to sell their products
any way they like, even if they piss off customers.  that's how a monopoly
works, even if their products are crap, and they make a hastle of buying
them.  people still flock to them, because they are the only thing.

oh well

on a side note, the "not labeled for individual resale" _is_ a leagal
problem.  if the food item in question is sold individualy, the company
could get in serious leagl trouble with the FDA for not having proper
nutrition information on each package.  it's a disclaimer, and a warning
to food vendors.

it relates to the label on the OEM software package in a few ways.
hardware vendors are allowed to purchase bulk boxes of OEM labeled MS
products at a discount.  and they are given special OEM install tools.  MS
does not want these OEM copies being sold for retail prices, so they put
that leagal bit that they pulled on you in the package.

what happens is this.. a company, big corperate, and stupid buy's 500 dell
workstations with OEM licenses.  big corperate people don't actualy use
these licenses, they buy a site license for MS products.  some random
admin sticks all the licenses in a box, takes them home, and sells them on
ebay.  even tho the license is now invalid.  this is lost retail sales for
big bill and co.   so of course they are going to try and stamp it out, if
they find the trouble less expensive than the license revenue lost.

it's just business, if you don't like it.. don't buy the stuff in the
first place ;)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Bill Layer wrote:

> Ok, I guess I'm just a wee little bit irritated with the folks in Redmond
> today. Someone I know gave me two OEM copies of MS NTWS 4.0 that I decided
> to sell on eBay. Microsoft had the "action removed at their request" because
> I am (apparently) beholdant to some licensing agreement that is sealed
> inside this un-opened software package.  I guess MS auto-trolls eBay 24 hrs
> a day...
>
> Now since I have never opened the package, nor was I aware that there was an
> agreement therin, how could I ever be construed as a party in a license
> agreement? Sure, there is a tiny little blurb on the cover that says "For
> Distribution with a new PC only" - but that is like saying "Use only
> approved cleaning products", or "not packaged for individual sale"... It
> reads like a simple suggestion or inducement,  not a legal order that must
> be obeyed OR ELSE.
>
> How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's
> not like the software is stolen, counterfeit etc. If MS was so deeply
> concerned with the way in which their product might be distributed, why
> didn't they take effective steps at the time the product was released, or
> not release it at all?
>
> Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
> 1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
> activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
> link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
> the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
> that prove it...
>
>          .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)
>
> They really do own the world, don't they? =/
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 09:55:45 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:32:30AM -0600
References: <20010320092200.C17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010320095545.D17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> I think what he means is, if someone sends you a URL within the message,
> etc.
> 
> Pine can handle this - it'll launch a Netscape window. You can set it up
> to launch image viewers as well.
> 

<sidetrack>

Mutt can handle this too.  In fact, I just got it working today.  Put the
following in your .muttrc:

macro index \cb |urlview\n 'Call urlview to extract URLs out of a message'
macro pager \cb |urlview\n 'Call urlview to extract URLs out of a message'

When in mutt, hitting CTRL-b will pass your message to urlview which will
give you a list of urls.  What it does with a url depends on what's in your
.urlview file.  I have

COMMAND xterm -bg black -fg white -fn fixed +sb -e lynx %s &

Gabe
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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Tue Mar 20 09:59:22 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
Message-ID: <0GAI00837762I2@mail1.supervalu.com>

"not packaged for individual sale" is NOT a simple suggestion.  It is the law;
if you are caught selling those, you can get in trouble, because they do not
have the nutritional information on them.

"Use only approved cleaning products." - not sure what this is.  Sounds like
a suggestion, but you could very well be voiding your warranty.

OEM copies of any version of Windows are to only be sold with either
a new PC, a hard drive, or a motherboard.  This has been a well known
law for quite some time.  Microsoft even came through the Twin Cities a while
ago and put some seedier business (like Que Computers) in a big hurt because
they were selling OEM copies of Windows like that.

I know you're upset - but Ebay was just following the law and covering their
asses.  If you were selling sealed retail copies of Windows, you would not
get in trouble.

- Nick Reinking





Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us, on 03/20/2001 09:27:30 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)

Email Ebay back and let them know you're doing nothing that is illegal and you 
will be taking your business elsewhere.

Then try another auction site.

>>> blayer@qwest.net 03/18/01 02:57PM >>>
Ok, I guess I'm just a wee little bit irritated with the folks in Redmond
today. Someone I know gave me two OEM copies of MS NTWS 4.0 that I decided
to sell on eBay. Microsoft had the "action removed at their request" because
I am (apparently) beholdant to some licensing agreement that is sealed
inside this un-opened software package.  I guess MS auto-trolls eBay 24 hrs
a day...

Now since I have never opened the package, nor was I aware that there was an
agreement therin, how could I ever be construed as a party in a license
agreement? Sure, there is a tiny little blurb on the cover that says "For
Distribution with a new PC only" - but that is like saying "Use only
approved cleaning products", or "not packaged for individual sale"... It
reads like a simple suggestion or inducement,  not a legal order that must
be obeyed OR ELSE.

How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's
not like the software is stolen, counterfeit etc. If MS was so deeply
concerned with the way in which their product might be distributed, why
didn't they take effective steps at the time the product was released, or
not release it at all?

Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
that prove it...

         .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)

They really do own the world, don't they? =/

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From fertch at mninter.net  Tue Mar 20 10:07:17 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3AB78035.D9D0B480@mninter.net>

Yaron wrote:

> I think what he means is, if someone sends you a URL within the message,
> etc.
>
> Pine can handle this - it'll launch a Netscape window. You can set it up
> to launch image viewers as well.

This covers about half of what I'm after.  The other part is say I'm at a
website using Netscape, Mozilla, IE, etc., and there's a mailto: link that when
you click on it it launches the mail applet associated to the browser.  IE you
can tell to use just about any mail program on your system.  Netscape I think is
specific to Netscape mail only.  How do the various browsers tie into the
various text mail programs (pine, mutt, etc)?  If I'm using Pine as my mail
program, and I'm using Mozilla as my browser, when I click on that "mailto:"
link what happens?  Nothing?  Pine would launch?  In a way I suppose this is a
browser question as well when getting to this point.


Currently in process of reading plethora of mail how-to's....


Shawn



From andy at theasis.com  Tue Mar 20 10:05:47 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
In-Reply-To: <3AB5212E.11255107@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103200954251.9219-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's

Bullying or not, I think that you'll find their legal grounds to be
anything but flimsy. 

If you have an OEM copy that's packaged for sale with a computer system,
then that's how you have to distribute it. It'd be a different story if
you had a wrapped box of the reatail version.
 
But with an OEM copy, the fact is, you're not allowed to sell it (and you
probably shouldn't even have those particular copies) because they're
geared towards and authorized for a particular distribution channel of
which you aren't a member. Vendors at computer shows are also not allowed
to sell it (except with system, for some definition of system), but they
do anyway.

So, in fact, Microsoft probably has the ability to put immense legal
pressure on Ebay to prevent them from advertising such sales, and what you
saw was the result of an agreement they had hashed out.

Just like RIAA and crew can put immense legal pressure on Napster for
telling you where you can find a copy of a song that someone else actually
illegally distributes. 

It sucks, but it's the way the world works today. 

> They really do own the world, don't they? =/

Yeah, so the trick is figuring out how to finagle some of it back. 

Andy

> B



From simeonuj at eetc.com  Tue Mar 20 10:10:20 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OEM Licenses (RANTING)
References: <sab7228c.040@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <3AB780DF.46DE74C@eetc.com>

My brother is a ebay freak and had a bunch of these NT 4 packages w/ licenses.  He also had his auctions removed from
ebay.  The problem was that it had to be sold with a new pc.  The funny thing is that the definition of a new pc is not
quit a whole pc or even remotely new ( nor does it have to work ).  He sold all his copies on ebay w/ either a
motherboard or a hard drive.  The motherboard didnt' work and the hard drive was and old apple 80 MB -- also fried.  He
even stated on the auction that he only sold them with hardware to comply with the MS crappy dumn ass license.
I thought that was pretty damn funny when he told me.
So if you have an old broken or useless hard drive or motherboard than you can sell them on ebay.  Or you can dig throuth
the dumpster out back. ; )

sim

Troy Johnson wrote:

> Email Ebay back and let them know you're doing nothing that is illegal and you will be taking your business elsewhere.
>
> Then try another auction site.
>
> >>> blayer@qwest.net 03/18/01 02:57PM >>>
> Ok, I guess I'm just a wee little bit irritated with the folks in Redmond
> today. Someone I know gave me two OEM copies of MS NTWS 4.0 that I decided
> to sell on eBay. Microsoft had the "action removed at their request" because
> I am (apparently) beholdant to some licensing agreement that is sealed
> inside this un-opened software package.  I guess MS auto-trolls eBay 24 hrs
> a day...
>
> Now since I have never opened the package, nor was I aware that there was an
> agreement therin, how could I ever be construed as a party in a license
> agreement? Sure, there is a tiny little blurb on the cover that says "For
> Distribution with a new PC only" - but that is like saying "Use only
> approved cleaning products", or "not packaged for individual sale"... It
> reads like a simple suggestion or inducement,  not a legal order that must
> be obeyed OR ELSE.
>
> How do they get away with bulling people on such flimsy legal grounds? It's
> not like the software is stolen, counterfeit etc. If MS was so deeply
> concerned with the way in which their product might be distributed, why
> didn't they take effective steps at the time the product was released, or
> not release it at all?
>
> Here is the kicker - the email notice that eBay (not MS) sent me, contained
> 1) an email address where they suggested that I might report the names &
> activities of anyone that might be an illegal source of MS software and 2) a
> link to the 'about me' eBay page, where MS rants on about how devastating
> the impact of software piracy is on the US economy, and quotes the studies
> that prove it...
>
>          .... the studies were done by the BSA ;)
>
> They really do own the world, don't they? =/
>
> B
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 10:13:49 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB78035.D9D0B480@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201009001.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

> This covers about half of what I'm after.  The other part is say I'm at a
> website using Netscape, Mozilla, IE, etc., and there's a mailto: link
> that when you click on it it launches the mail applet associated to the
> browser.

I really don't know if you can get Netscape to pop anything up but itself.
I know IE can have a Mail Program setting - but that hardly helps!

Basically, I don't know why you'd want to _launch_ pine - I keep it open
in an xterm all the time, minimized if I'm not using it (the icon label
changes to indicate new mail). Sometimes I click Mailto: links in netscape
and then cut'n'paste the address into Pine.

-Yaron

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Mar 20 10:15:17 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3AB78215.D094FEF3@ltiflex.com>

> Pine can handle this - it'll launch a Netscape window. You can set it up
> to launch image viewers as well.
> 
> You might've been hearing about Evolution - it's a somewhat-kinda Outlook
> clone.

Evolution isn't quite stable yet. I managed to use if for about a week
before it barfed. Sylpheed is kinda nifty, but it didn't want to play nice
with IMAP. (Ok, there aren't many clients that play nice with IMAP...) 

Spruce (GNOME/GTK) and Kmail (KDE) are some of the better X based clients
out there. Basla is ok (but libmutt is on crack, just ask the developers) 

--
From: Peter Williams <peter@newton.cx>
(Balsa Developer, at least at the time)
Libmutt is derived from the venerable Mutt mailer. It sucks. It's klunky,
disorganized, ancient, hackish, kludgy, unclear, and completely
non-expandable.
You don't want to toy with libmutt. You want to wrap it in a cloth and 
beat it with a stick until it stops wriggling. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but
not 
very much.
--

Stick with pop3 and local mail spools (or local mail spools fed by
fetchmail) and there are a number of greate clients to choose from. Go with
IMAP and you get just a few: Netscape, pine, mutt, Spruce, Mahogony, and
Postallion are the ones that come to mind. 

If I ever write my own MUA, I think I'll call it Epoxy.

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Tue Mar 20 10:17:59 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
		<3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net> <20010320092651.207dd6ae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB782AA.EAC271F1@eetc.com>

I think ( I may be wrong ) that Netscape doesn't use sendmail.  I thought it
had it's own built in MUA and MTA?  Is this correct?
This may be the source of your confusion.  Using netscape all-in-one and you
don't have to know about the specifics of mail. :-)

sim

Michael Hicks wrote:

> Shawn <fertch@mninter.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Everyone talks about using Pine, or other text based mail programs.  I
> > was just curious as to how the text based mail programs relate and tie
> > in with web browsers.  Maybe it's just easier for me to use Netscape
> > mail still.  what I'm looking at though is to be able to get mail
> > outside of my browser so I don't have to run netscape in the background.
> > That's where I was thinking of using sendmail, besides it's already
> > installed.  Maybe Pine would be a better option?  Or, Bob had talked
> > about one that acts like Lookout.
>
> Sendmail is not meant to be used by humans.  When sending a message
> through Sendmail, there isn't any interactive editing capability, and it
> provides no facility for reading messages.  It's just meant to be used by
> mail client programs when they send messages.
>
> Anyway, if you want a text-based mail client, the two recommendations are
> usually for mutt and pine.  If you want a good graphical client, join the
> club ;-)  Actually, Sylpheed is getting pretty good.  Last time I checked,
> Evolution wasn't able to compose new messages (at least on my system, so
> same difference), so it's not a great choice right now, IMHO.
>
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 10:18:13 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB78035.D9D0B480@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:07:17AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103200928000.19286-100000@dragon> <3AB78035.D9D0B480@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010320101813.A13614@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:07:17AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
> I'm using Pine as my mail
> program, and I'm using Mozilla as my browser, when I click on that "mailto:"
> link what happens?  Nothing?  Pine would launch?  In a way I suppose this is a
> browser question as well when getting to this point.

Just to add to your confusion...  That's purely a browser configuration issue
and has nothing to do with the mail client.  (Well, the MUA determines what
command line the browser should use to invoke it, but that's the only part it
plays in setting mailtos up.)

To try and clear things up though, look at it this way:  When the browser
calls a mail client, it starts a new instance of the MUA.  (The mail client
may notice that it's already running and divert the invocation from 'start a
new process' to 'wake up the existing process' but, again, that's not really
important here.)  Since the MUA isn't running, it can't play any part in the
process.  It has to be purely on the browser side.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 10:41:10 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB782AA.EAC271F1@eetc.com>
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
		<3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net> <20010320092651.207dd6ae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
	<3AB782AA.EAC271F1@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <20010320104110.7c75e94d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Simeon Johnston <simeonuj@eetc.com> wrote:
> 
> I think ( I may be wrong ) that Netscape doesn't use sendmail.  I
> thought it had it's own built in MUA and MTA?  Is this correct?

I think you're right, up to a point.  Many mail clients require Sendmail
or some other mail transfer agent to be installed on the local system. 
Mail is sent by running the MTA and dumping the mail message to that
process's standard input.  Netscape is usually set up to connect to an
SMTP gateway, rather than using the local mail transfer agent.

It only requires a fairly small amount of extra code to do both (I
suspect), so some mailers can go either way.

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Tue Mar 20 12:05:49 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
			<3AB7736B.B71F6723@mninter.net> <20010320092651.207dd6ae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
		<3AB782AA.EAC271F1@eetc.com> <20010320104110.7c75e94d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB79BFC.404218E@eetc.com>

Aaah!  Understood.  I was wondering about that.

sim

Michael Hicks wrote:

> Simeon Johnston <simeonuj@eetc.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think ( I may be wrong ) that Netscape doesn't use sendmail.  I
> > thought it had it's own built in MUA and MTA?  Is this correct?
>
> I think you're right, up to a point.  Many mail clients require Sendmail
> or some other mail transfer agent to be installed on the local system.
> Mail is sent by running the MTA and dumping the mail message to that
> process's standard input.  Netscape is usually set up to connect to an
> SMTP gateway, rather than using the local mail transfer agent.
>
> It only requires a fairly small amount of extra code to do both (I
> suspect), so some mailers can go either way.
>
> --
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar 20 12:05:52 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
In-Reply-To: <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm> <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com>
Message-ID: <20010320120552.A5593@vm-lvm>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600, Jason J wrote:
>Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my database
>interaction for atleast 6 months.

No matter what I do, it seems like it's going to connect and then I get 
SSL_connect: error:0000000000::lib(0) :func:(0) :reason(0)
in the log on client side
and

stunnel: localhost.3306 connected from web.server.ip:some_randomportnumber
stunnel: remote connect: Connection Refused (111)

in the log on the server side. I am not trying to go through my firewall yet.
and am running the exact same commands I see both in this mail and on
stunnel.org

>
>Client Web Server Side:
>IP: Any IP
>box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
>127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback, not
>accessible from any other interfaces
>
>Server MySQL Side:
>IP: 10.10.10.5
>box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
>10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and forwards traffic
>from ethX to local loopback
>/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound to local
>loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces
>
>Test:
>box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
>Trying 127.0.0.1...
>Connected to 127.0.0.1.
>Escape character is '^]'.
>?
>3.22.32KiQ;n=&A
>
>3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box I ran this
>test on. So it worked.
>
>
>the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on 'ethX'
>wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers anyway, I just
>do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.
>
>
>
>
>Ben Lutgens wrote:
>
>> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
>> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
>> that port? It makes no sense to me.
>>
>> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
>> 127.0.0.1:3306
>>
>> I get "Can't bind requested address"
>>
>> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
>>
>> --
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>>
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from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From jasonj at innominatus.com  Tue Mar 20 12:17:07 2001
From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm> <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com> <20010320120552.A5593@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <3AB79EA3.BB33E000@innominatus.com>

Are you sure your ssl certificates are valid?

'openssl verify <filename>.pem'

I had some errors in the beginning when some of my certs where bad. I dont know why
the cert was bad, but I remade it with:

'openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem
-keyout /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem'





Ben Lutgens wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600, Jason J wrote:
> >Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my database
> >interaction for atleast 6 months.
>
> No matter what I do, it seems like it's going to connect and then I get
> SSL_connect: error:0000000000::lib(0) :func:(0) :reason(0)
> in the log on client side
> and
>
> stunnel: localhost.3306 connected from web.server.ip:some_randomportnumber
> stunnel: remote connect: Connection Refused (111)
>
> in the log on the server side. I am not trying to go through my firewall yet.
> and am running the exact same commands I see both in this mail and on
> stunnel.org
>
> >
> >Client Web Server Side:
> >IP: Any IP
> >box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> >127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback, not
> >accessible from any other interfaces
> >
> >Server MySQL Side:
> >IP: 10.10.10.5
> >box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> >10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and forwards traffic
> >from ethX to local loopback
> >/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound to local
> >loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces
> >
> >Test:
> >box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> >Trying 127.0.0.1...
> >Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> >Escape character is '^]'.
> >?
> >3.22.32KiQ;n=&A
> >
> >3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box I ran this
> >test on. So it worked.
> >
> >
> >the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on 'ethX'
> >wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers anyway, I just
> >do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Ben Lutgens wrote:
> >
> >> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
> >> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
> >> that port? It makes no sense to me.
> >>
> >> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
> >> 127.0.0.1:3306
> >>
> >> I get "Can't bind requested address"
> >>
> >> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> >> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> >> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> >>
> >> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
> >> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> >>
> >>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>
> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature


From atebbe at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 12:19:51 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
In-Reply-To: <3AB79EA3.BB33E000@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0600
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm> <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com> <20010320120552.A5593@vm-lvm> <3AB79EA3.BB33E000@innominatus.com>
Message-ID: <20010320121951.J8446@real-time.com>

Hey Ben - once you've figured out how to do this, why don't you write
up a howto ? ;)

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0600, Jason J (jasonj@innominatus.com) wrote:
> Are you sure your ssl certificates are valid?
> 
> 'openssl verify <filename>.pem'
> 
> I had some errors in the beginning when some of my certs where bad. I dont know why
> the cert was bad, but I remade it with:
> 
> 'openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem
> -keyout /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600, Jason J wrote:
> > >Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my database
> > >interaction for atleast 6 months.
> >
> > No matter what I do, it seems like it's going to connect and then I get
> > SSL_connect: error:0000000000::lib(0) :func:(0) :reason(0)
> > in the log on client side
> > and
> >
> > stunnel: localhost.3306 connected from web.server.ip:some_randomportnumber
> > stunnel: remote connect: Connection Refused (111)
> >
> > in the log on the server side. I am not trying to go through my firewall yet.
> > and am running the exact same commands I see both in this mail and on
> > stunnel.org
> >
> > >
> > >Client Web Server Side:
> > >IP: Any IP
> > >box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> > >127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback, not
> > >accessible from any other interfaces
> > >
> > >Server MySQL Side:
> > >IP: 10.10.10.5
> > >box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> > >10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and forwards traffic
> > >from ethX to local loopback
> > >/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound to local
> > >loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces
> > >
> > >Test:
> > >box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> > >Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > >Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> > >Escape character is '^]'.
> > >?
> > >3.22.32KiQ;n=&A
> > >
> > >3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box I ran this
> > >test on. So it worked.
> > >
> > >
> > >the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on 'ethX'
> > >wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers anyway, I just
> > >do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Ben Lutgens wrote:
> > >
> > >> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
> > >> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
> > >> that port? It makes no sense to me.
> > >>
> > >> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
> > >> 127.0.0.1:3306
> > >>
> > >> I get "Can't bind requested address"
> > >>
> > >> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> > >> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> > >> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> > >>
> > >> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
> > >> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> > >>
> > >>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >tclug-list mailing list
> > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > --
> > Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> > Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> >
> > "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
> > from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From primopremiums at usa.net  Tue Mar 20 13:02:40 2001
From: primopremiums at usa.net (primopremiums@usa.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
Message-ID: <200103201902.f2KJ2cl12495@sprite.real-time.com>

Add 30% or more to your bottom line!
I just visited your web site! We have an inexpensive premium promotional product 
currently being used in your industry. Credible companies are realizing over
30% to their bottom line. This is the ultimate premium for "right now" sales. I would be 
happy to provide you with details including references. 
Email your contact information.
 Thanks, Bruce 





From drew at usfamily.net  Tue Mar 20 13:14:39 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
References: <200103201902.f2KJ2cl12495@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <003301c0b172$084c9a80$1efc5486@gateway>

What the Phuck?
____________________________________________________
If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so


Andrew Nemchenko
drew@usfamily.net
Home: 651-681-8572
Work: 952-932-4081
Pager: 612-264-1737
http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <primopremiums@usa.net>
To: <friend.MAKU@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM


> Add 30% or more to your bottom line!
> I just visited your web site! We have an inexpensive premium promotional
product
> currently being used in your industry. Credible companies are realizing
over
> 30% to their bottom line. This is the ultimate premium for "right now"
sales. I would be
> happy to provide you with details including references.
> Email your contact information.
>  Thanks, Bruce
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------


From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 13:20:00 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
In-Reply-To: <003301c0b172$084c9a80$1efc5486@gateway>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:14:39PM -0600
References: <200103201902.f2KJ2cl12495@sprite.real-time.com> <003301c0b172$084c9a80$1efc5486@gateway>
Message-ID: <20010320132000.F13614@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:14:39PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> What the Phuck?

Yeah, the spammers have been getting pretty restless lately.  (Well, more so
than they have been for a while.)

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From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Mar 20 13:33:58 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm> <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com> <20010320120552.A5593@vm-lvm> <3AB79EA3.BB33E000@innominatus.com> <20010320121951.J8446@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c0b174$b65d3ba0$3028680a@tgt.com>

I just tried what I posted a week or so ago.  It works just fine.

ssh -L 3306:localhost:3306 cascade.veldy.net

You can add the username password stuff yourself.  At this point, the local
port 3306 is a front to mysql on cascade.  I only had to have permissions
set in MySQL to accept connnections localhost.  Localhost is relative to the
host -- so it is localhost on the host.  I have been doing this very thing
from a Windows GUI client to ssh so that I can use MySQL via ODBC which
points to localhost 3306 (the tunnel to mysql).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net



----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Tanner" <atebbe@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling


> Hey Ben - once you've figured out how to do this, why don't you write
> up a howto ? ;)
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0600, Jason J (jasonj@innominatus.com)
wrote:
> > Are you sure your ssl certificates are valid?
> >
> > 'openssl verify <filename>.pem'
> >
> > I had some errors in the beginning when some of my certs where bad. I
dont know why
> > the cert was bad, but I remade it with:
> >
> > 'openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out
/usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem
> > -keyout /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben Lutgens wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600, Jason J wrote:
> > > >Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my
database
> > > >interaction for atleast 6 months.
> > >
> > > No matter what I do, it seems like it's going to connect and then I
get
> > > SSL_connect: error:0000000000::lib(0) :func:(0) :reason(0)
> > > in the log on client side
> > > and
> > >
> > > stunnel: localhost.3306 connected from
web.server.ip:some_randomportnumber
> > > stunnel: remote connect: Connection Refused (111)
> > >
> > > in the log on the server side. I am not trying to go through my
firewall yet.
> > > and am running the exact same commands I see both in this mail and on
> > > stunnel.org
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Client Web Server Side:
> > > >IP: Any IP
> > > >box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p
/usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> > > >127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback,
not
> > > >accessible from any other interfaces
> > > >
> > > >Server MySQL Side:
> > > >IP: 10.10.10.5
> > > >box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
> > > >10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and
forwards traffic
> > > >from ethX to local loopback
> > > >/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound
to local
> > > >loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces
> > > >
> > > >Test:
> > > >box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> > > >Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > > >Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> > > >Escape character is '^]'.
> > > >?
> > > >3.22.32KiQ;n=&A
> > > >
> > > >3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box
I ran this
> > > >test on. So it worked.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on
'ethX'
> > > >wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers
anyway, I just
> > > >do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ben Lutgens wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm
convinced it's
> > > >> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql
is using
> > > >> that port? It makes no sense to me.
> > > >>
> > > >> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
> > > >> 127.0.0.1:3306
> > > >>
> > > >> I get "Can't bind requested address"
> > > >>
> > > >> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> > > >> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> > > >> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> > > >>
> > > >> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained
her wrist
> > > >> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> > > >>
> > >
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >tclug-list mailing list
> > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
> > > Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
> > > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> > >
> > > "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained
her wrist
> > > from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
> > >
> >
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
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> Real Time Enterprises, Inc.                   Fax: 952.943.8500
> amy@real-time.com        http://www.real-time.com
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>


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 13:37:53 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
In-Reply-To: <200103201902.f2KJ2cl12495@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 primopremiums@usa.net wrote:

> I just visited your web site!

It's spam like this that REALLY gets me mad. He's so obviously lying!!!
Aaaaaaargh!!!! I just want to FIND these people and YELL at them till they
admit how STUPID they are!


I just looked at his headers... the "To:" line is "To:
friend.MAKU@mn-linux.org"

Can the list reject mail where the To line doesn't contain
"tclug-list@mn-linux.org"? Will this even cut down on spam?

-Yaron

--




From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 14:46:28 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:37:53PM -0600
References: <200103201902.f2KJ2cl12495@sprite.real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010320144628.G13614@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:37:53PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> Can the list reject mail where the To line doesn't contain
> "tclug-list@mn-linux.org"?

This list appears to be run using Mailman, which can do that.

> Will this even cut down on spam?

Probably.  However, the Mailman list regularly gets questions about why users
can't post to lists and what "implicit destination" means.  Some people seem
to have great difficulty with the concept of "this list only accepts messages
which explicitly name the list in From: or Cc:".

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From fertch at mninter.net  Tue Mar 20 15:12:31 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3AB7C7BF.E160F710@mninter.net>

So here's my question:

  Why not trace back to where it originated, and shut him out?  USA.net is a
6.95 a month basic e-mail service if I'm not mistaken.  Doubtful he's really
using them though.



Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 primopremiums@usa.net wrote:
>
> > I just visited your web site!
>
> It's spam like this that REALLY gets me mad. He's so obviously lying!!!
> Aaaaaaargh!!!! I just want to FIND these people and YELL at them till they
> admit how STUPID they are!
>
> I just looked at his headers... the "To:" line is "To:
> friend.MAKU@mn-linux.org"
>
> Can the list reject mail where the To line doesn't contain
> "tclug-list@mn-linux.org"? Will this even cut down on spam?
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 15:17:27 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Spam
Message-ID: <20010320211727.82535.qmail@web5410.mail.yahoo.com>

This is interesting:
The headers from the last spam message....
Received: from 209.26.175.43 (www.rdt.net [209.26.175.43] (may be
forged)) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id
f2KJ2cl12495; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0600 

May be forged?

Interesting!

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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 15:26:23 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <20010320211727.82535.qmail@web5410.mail.yahoo.com>; from jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:17:27PM -0800
References: <20010320211727.82535.qmail@web5410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010320152623.E1307@real-time.com>

Quoting Jonathan Kline (jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com):
> This is interesting:
> The headers from the last spam message....
> Received: from 209.26.175.43 (www.rdt.net [209.26.175.43] (may be
> forged)) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id
> f2KJ2cl12495; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0600 
> 
> May be forged?
> 
> Interesting!

Reverse and forward do not match.

$ nslookup 209.26.175.43
Name:    www.rdt.net
Address:  209.26.175.43

$ nslookup www.rdt.net
Name:    www.rdt.net
Address:  202.84.198.61
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Mar 20 15:31:35 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more of mysql tunneling
In-Reply-To: <20010320121951.J8446@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:19:51PM -0600
References: <20010319173154.B1846@vm-lvm> <3AB6EA87.6F905629@innominatus.com> <20010320120552.A5593@vm-lvm> <3AB79EA3.BB33E000@innominatus.com> <20010320121951.J8446@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010320153135.C6017@vm-lvm>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:19:51PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
>Hey Ben - once you've figured out how to do this, why don't you write
>up a howto ? ;)

There is some but they don't seem to work for me. Plus I'm no technical
writer. I may give it a try.

>
>On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0600, Jason J (jasonj@innominatus.com) wrote:
>> Are you sure your ssl certificates are valid?
>> 
>> 'openssl verify <filename>.pem'
>> 
>> I had some errors in the beginning when some of my certs where bad. I dont know why
>> the cert was bad, but I remade it with:
>> 
>> 'openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem
>> -keyout /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem'
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ben Lutgens wrote:
>> 
>> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:28:39PM -0600, Jason J wrote:
>> > >Stunnel doesnt suck. I have been using this method to tunnel my database
>> > >interaction for atleast 6 months.
>> >
>> > No matter what I do, it seems like it's going to connect and then I get
>> > SSL_connect: error:0000000000::lib(0) :func:(0) :reason(0)
>> > in the log on client side
>> > and
>> >
>> > stunnel: localhost.3306 connected from web.server.ip:some_randomportnumber
>> > stunnel: remote connect: Connection Refused (111)
>> >
>> > in the log on the server side. I am not trying to go through my firewall yet.
>> > and am running the exact same commands I see both in this mail and on
>> > stunnel.org
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Client Web Server Side:
>> > >IP: Any IP
>> > >box1# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel  -c -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
>> > >127.0.0.1:3306 -r 10.10.10.5:3306    # Only bound to local loopback, not
>> > >accessible from any other interfaces
>> > >
>> > >Server MySQL Side:
>> > >IP: 10.10.10.5
>> > >box2# /usr/local/sbin/stunnel -p /usr/local/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem -d
>> > >10.10.10.5:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306     # Only bound to ethX and forwards traffic
>> > >from ethX to local loopback
>> > >/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --bind-address=127.0.0.1    # Only bound to local
>> > >loopback interface, not accessible from any other interfaces
>> > >
>> > >Test:
>> > >box1# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
>> > >Trying 127.0.0.1...
>> > >Connected to 127.0.0.1.
>> > >Escape character is '^]'.
>> > >?
>> > >3.22.32KiQ;n=&A
>> > >
>> > >3.22.32 is the version of mysql currently running on the old dev box I ran this
>> > >test on. So it worked.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >the binding of mysql on 3306 only on 'lo' and stunnel on 3306 only on 'ethX'
>> > >wont conflict. Plus, you dont have to use the same port numbers anyway, I just
>> > >do it for convience, mysql always running on 3306.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Ben Lutgens wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> O.k. so I am trying to tunnel mmysql using stunnel. So far I'm convinced it's
>> > >> not possible. How can you bind port 3306 on your tunnel when mysql is using
>> > >> that port? It makes no sense to me.
>> > >>
>> > >> On the server side if you run stunnel -p $PEMFILE -d $REMOTEIP -r
>> > >> 127.0.0.1:3306
>> > >>
>> > >> I get "Can't bind requested address"
>> > >>
>> > >> Tunneling stuff through ssh sucks, and it seems stunnel sucks too.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
>> > >> Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
>> > >> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>> > >>
>> > >> "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
>> > >> from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>> > >>
>> > >>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >>    Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >tclug-list mailing list
>> > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ben Lutgens             cell: 612.670.4789
>> > Sistina Software Inc.   work: 612.379.3951
>> > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>> >
>> > "It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
>> > from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
>> >
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>> 
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>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Tue Mar 20 16:01:05 2001
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] looking for inexpensive colocation
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201656590.23080-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>

Im moving to Minneapolis/St Paul at the end of june, and I am trying to
gind an inexpensive place to colocate a box... 

Currently I have my box (6U) colocated at an ISP near boston for $75 a
month with 1.5 Gig of transfer a month and 2IP's.  Its nowhere near a data
center like Exodus, but its a dedicated line that is up 99% of the time.

Does anyone know of an ISP that offers colocation at anywhere near that
price, or does anyone have a solution other than DSL/CABLE?

TIA,

duncan




From sos at zjod.net  Tue Mar 20 16:00:55 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <20010320152623.E1307@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Mar 20, 2001 03:26:23 PM
Message-ID: <200103202200.QAA14133@zjod.net>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> 
> Quoting Jonathan Kline (jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com):
> > This is interesting:
> > The headers from the last spam message....
> > Received: from 209.26.175.43 (www.rdt.net [209.26.175.43] (may be
> > forged)) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id
> > f2KJ2cl12495; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0600=20
> >=20
> > May be forged?
> >=20
> > Interesting!
> 
> Reverse and forward do not match.
> 
> $ nslookup 209.26.175.43
> Name:    www.rdt.net
> Address:  209.26.175.43
> 
> $ nslookup www.rdt.net
> Name:    www.rdt.net
> Address:  202.84.198.61



Be careful about insisting that reverse and forward lookups match.

For example, I'm using a dynamic domain name, and one of the headers in this
email will say something like:
	> Received: from zjod.net (nic-31-c19-033.mn.mediaone.net [24.31.19.33]) 

But because it's a dynamic domain name, trying to match reverse and forward
lookups gives:
	> SOS:sos=> nslookup zjod.net
	> Server:  rsdns01.mn.mediaone.net
	> Address:  24.31.3.8
	> 
	> Name:    zjod.net
	> Address:  24.31.19.33
	> 
	> SOS:sos=> nslookup 24.31.19.33
	> Server:  rsdns01.mn.mediaone.net
	> Address:  24.31.3.8
	> 
	> Name:    nic-31-c19-033.mn.mediaone.net
	> Address:  24.31.19.33
	> 
	> SOS:sos=> nslookup nic-31-c19-033.mn.mediaone.net
	> Server:  rsdns01.mn.mediaone.net
	> Address:  24.31.3.8
	> 
	> Name:    nic-31-c19-033.mn.mediaone.net
	> Address:  24.31.19.33
	> 
	> SOS:sos=> 

Which, depending on what you start doing nslookups with (like the TCP
address, or the dynamic domainname ["zjod.net"] instead of the static
domain name ["nic-31-c19-033.mn.mediaone.net"]), could throw a simple
reverse/forward lookup comparison off.

-S

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 16:03:26 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103201558410.28566-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 primopremiums@usa.net wrote:
> 
> > I just visited your web site!
> 
> It's spam like this that REALLY gets me mad. He's so obviously lying!!!
> Aaaaaaargh!!!! I just want to FIND these people and YELL at them till they
> admit how STUPID they are!

You know what they say:  "Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It's futile
and annoys the pig."

If this is a big enough problem, set the list up so that not just
subscribed users, but those who have sent in a request and a follow up
confirmation are the only ones who can post?  I don't like it much, but
there's no way to get the bad guys to stop, so maybe the good guys have to
press one or two more buttons to enjoy a spam free list.

Until the spammers write a script to subscribe and verify to lists....

-- 
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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Tue Mar 20 16:26:21 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] looking for inexpensive colocation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201656590.23080-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103201624210.17253-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

I'm not sure that "inexpensive" and "co-location" necessarily belong in
the same sentence.  Our co-lo prices start at about $300/mo, and I know
it's not the cheapest, but there's someone who knows what's going on when
you call and we're up 99.99% of the time.

Didn't we have this discussion a few weeks ago?

Mark

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, duncan wrote:

> Im moving to Minneapolis/St Paul at the end of june, and I am trying to
> gind an inexpensive place to colocate a box... 
> 
> Currently I have my box (6U) colocated at an ISP near boston for $75 a
> month with 1.5 Gig of transfer a month and 2IP's.  Its nowhere near a data
> center like Exodus, but its a dedicated line that is up 99% of the time.
> 
> Does anyone know of an ISP that offers colocation at anywhere near that
> price, or does anyone have a solution other than DSL/CABLE?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> duncan
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 20 16:33:02 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] looking for inexpensive colocation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103201624210.17253-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:26:21PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201656590.23080-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103201624210.17253-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>
Message-ID: <20010320163302.F8892@ringworld.org>

* Mark K <mkroska@readynetgo.com> [010320 16:30]:
> I'm not sure that "inexpensive" and "co-location" necessarily belong in
> the same sentence.  Our co-lo prices start at about $300/mo, and I know
> it's not the cheapest, but there's someone who knows what's going on when
> you call and we're up 99.99% of the time.

I think you can find some providers from 150-200$/5U i think.  You could
probally cut a deal if you jump up and down and keep
strictly-non-business (ie: hobby user), but I dont know anyone who would
do that off hand.

-- 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From wilson at visi.com  Tue Mar 20 17:48:27 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

Here's a little security question for you related to DMZs, firewalls, and
backups.

Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall and 
has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd behind the
firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library set up inside to
back up all the file servers.

Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent and
backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The firewall makes
that more complicated.

Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.

It's certainly possible to prevent cross-traffic between the NICs, but I'm
not sure if this setup is really "securable." How much trouble am I asking
for? :-)

Anybody have any advice?

-Tim

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From atebbe at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 17:57:01 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010320175701.D8446@real-time.com>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com) wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Here's a little security question for you related to DMZs, firewalls, and
> backups.
> 
> Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall and 
> has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd behind the
> firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library set up inside to
> back up all the file servers.
> 
> Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent and
> backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The firewall makes
> that more complicated.
> 
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
> putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
> address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.

If you do this, you defeat the purpose of the DMZ network since now
you're allowing a path from your DMZ to your internal network.  If this
box is compromised, your internal network is at risk.

You should, however, be able to setup your firewall to allow the traffic
from your internal tape library (on internal network) to your webserver
on your DMZ.  Unless the backup agent requires some sort of proxy.


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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Tue Mar 20 18:08:22 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] looking for inexpensive colocation
In-Reply-To: <20010320163302.F8892@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201805000.6938-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


         It depends on your traffic, but I was looking for colocation
about 9 months ago and found an ISP called hockey.net that colocates for
$90 a month and you get 8 IP's if I am not mistaken. If you want to pay
$300 a month you can but if it isn't highly mission critical and that .99
% doesn't matter so much, I would check out a cheap ISP. 

    hockey.net is one and I would also try exceptionmedia.com. I am
colocated at exceptionmedia.com and pay $100  month and get really good
service.


   - Jamie





On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Mark K <mkroska@readynetgo.com> [010320 16:30]:
> > I'm not sure that "inexpensive" and "co-location" necessarily belong in
> > the same sentence.  Our co-lo prices start at about $300/mo, and I know
> > it's not the cheapest, but there's someone who knows what's going on when
> > you call and we're up 99.99% of the time.
> 
> I think you can find some providers from 150-200$/5U i think.  You could
> probally cut a deal if you jump up and down and keep
> strictly-non-business (ie: hobby user), but I dont know anyone who would
> do that off hand.
> 
> 

-- 

   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."





From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 18:13:57 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010320181357.C4388@real-time.com>

Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com):
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
> putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
> address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.
> 
> It's certainly possible to prevent cross-traffic between the NICs, but I'm
> not sure if this setup is really "securable." How much trouble am I asking
> for? :-)
> 
> Anybody have any advice?

Danger! Danger!

I saw Amy's post and I totally agree. Don't do it.

How much data is on the web server?

Do you want to do a full or incremental backup?

What we have done is setup ssh in a very restricted fashion to ssh to the
DMZ, and tar the contents of the web server across the ssh tunnel to a local box
that is then backed up on the private network.

This works well for a medium amount of data and is very secure.

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Mar 20 18:15:59 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010320181559.G1619@wookimus.net>

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall
> and has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd
> behind the firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library
> set up inside to back up all the file servers.
> 
> Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent
> and backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The
> firewall makes that more complicated.
> 
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver
> and putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get
> a 10.* IP address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape
> library.

Generally a bad idea.  Plus, you compromise the whole idea of a DMZ
that way.  However, I think the solution you desire is found in mere
routing tables and standard IPChains (assuming that you're running a
2.2.x kernel).  Masquerading is only as important as the outside
world.  Your web server, however, is another matter.  You control that
network, those IP's.  You know who the source is and what the
destination is.  You probably know which ports are needed under which
protocols.

Remember this: you do not have to masquerade to the DMZ...

#!/bin/sh
IPCN=/usr/sbin/ipchains
WEBSVR=AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD
TAPESVR=10.0.0.2
PROTO=udp
SPORT=555
DPORT=555

# Allow udp traffic to/from the tapeserver and webserver.
$IPCN -${1:='D'} forward -j ACCEPT -p $PROTO -b -s $TAPESVR $SPORT \
        -d $WEBSVR $DPORT

If you want even tighter control on when this rule is allowed, place a
crontab entry for this script.  Use a parameter variable to specify an
add ('A') or delete ('D').

# m h dom m dow  command
00 05 * * *      tape-rule A
15 05 * * *      tape-rule D

-- 
^chewie

Sorry about not signing my email...I can't get access to my
home workstation today. CCW-20010320

From andy at theasis.com  Tue Mar 20 18:29:36 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <20010320181357.C4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201828130.9219-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> What we have done is setup ssh in a very restricted fashion to ssh to the
> DMZ, and tar the contents of the web server across the ssh tunnel to a local box
> that is then backed up on the private network.

This is what rsync is for. 

> This works well for a medium amount of data and is very secure.

rsync works pretty well for a large amount of data, since it only moves
changes. If you want snapshots of each backup, that can be handled on the
backup server. 

Andy


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 18:41:24 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201828130.9219-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:29:36PM -0600
References: <20010320181357.C4388@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201828130.9219-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <20010320184124.D4388@real-time.com>

Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com):
> > What we have done is setup ssh in a very restricted fashion to ssh to the
> > DMZ, and tar the contents of the web server across the ssh tunnel to a local box
> > that is then backed up on the private network.
> 
> This is what rsync is for. 
> 
> > This works well for a medium amount of data and is very secure.
> 
> rsync works pretty well for a large amount of data, since it only moves
> changes. If you want snapshots of each backup, that can be handled on the
> backup server. 

rsync using ssh as the transport correct?

In our particular application we are copying everything everytime so I did not
think rsync would make a difference, so I just went with ssh.

-- 
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Tue Mar 20 18:52:13 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201850100.7110-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>



    Does anyone know what story this comes from? It is from an old science
fiction novel, but I want to know the title. :



     Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question.
They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was
built. Finally the big day was at hand.  All the computers were linked
together.  They asked the question, "Is there a God?".  Lights started
blinking, flashing and blinking some more.  Suddenly, there was a loud
crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the
computers, and welded all the connections permanently together.  "There
is now", came the reply.



    Thanks!


    - Jamie





-- 

   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."





From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 19:02:55 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
Message-ID: <20010320190255.H4388@real-time.com>

Due to Tivo mess up, I missed the 2hr episode of Voyager last week. Anyone have
this on VHS? I am willing to pay for it. :-)

Normally it's re-broadcast on Saturday, but it was not this Saturday.

As an aside, I think Tivo has a bug, if 2 shows are on the same time both have
season pass and 1 show has 3 thumbs up and the other has 1 thumbs up, it should
pick the 3 thumbs up show. But it doesn't. :-(

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From andy at theasis.com  Tue Mar 20 19:05:52 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <20010320184124.D4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201857420.9219-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> rsync using ssh as the transport correct?

Yeah.

> In our particular application we are copying everything everytime so I did not
> think rsync would make a difference, so I just went with ssh.

I'm not sure what form of compression is achieved if you have complete
data turnover. One way to find out -- try it. 

My own use of rsync is frequent but not to complicated. I do use exclude
options, and occasionally cp symlinks as real files, stuff like
that. It's a great tool.

Andy



From wilson at visi.com  Tue Mar 20 19:06:38 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <20010320181357.C4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201901450.10180-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Danger! Danger!

What do you really think? :-)

I really appreciate everyone's feedback on this. 

> How much data is on the web server?

Not much now, but I hope it will grow. Probably 1 GB at most for the
forseeable future

> What we have done is setup ssh in a very restricted fashion to ssh to the
> DMZ, and tar the contents of the web server across the ssh tunnel to a local box
> that is then backed up on the private network.

I thought of this initially, but was put off by the need for an extra
box. Every other server in the place is running NetWare. I've got a Linux
server in the science department, but it doesn't have the disk space to
store the tarball.

-Tim

--
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 20 19:08:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109671@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I agree with everyone... don't dual nic the box.  If you do, you might as
well throw away the dmz and just stick the webserver inside on your 10.x
network.

After some poking on Veritas' site, I found
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/234123.htm

BackupExec is an evil evil RPC based program, so you have to open a bunch of
stuff.  <rant>Why can't developers think about how their products are going
to work through a firewall??!?!?!?!?</rant>

rsync is another option, however, with rsync if someone does compromise your
webserver, they are going to have a better chance of getting a shell on your
tape server if you have rsync set up to do it's thing automatically, because
the .known_hosts file for sshd on the tape server will allow the webserver
to login with no password.  Even if you use an account that has a shell of
/bin/false, it's not the most comforting thought in the world.

Jay

ps--  Another excellent example of stupid developers are the ones that
microsoft had develop the Active Directory replication code.  It uses like
10 or 15 different ports and RPC.  MS's solution to do active directory
replication through a firewall is to set up a PPTP VPN connection between
the two domain controllers on the different networks and use that to pipe
the AD replication across.  Problem is, if someone compromises one of your
domain controllers, they have full access to the other one on your other
network and can use it as a jumping point to more fun and interesting stuff.
Read here for their sweet suggestion:
http://www.microsoft.com/ISN/columnists/p63623.asp   (check out the cool
picture of the guy who wrote it :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ^chewie [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:16 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] security question
> 
> 
> Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall
> > and has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd
> > behind the firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library
> > set up inside to back up all the file servers.
> > 
> > Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent
> > and backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The
> > firewall makes that more complicated.
> > 
> > Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver
> > and putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get
> > a 10.* IP address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape
> > library.
> 
> Generally a bad idea.  Plus, you compromise the whole idea of a DMZ
> that way.  However, I think the solution you desire is found in mere
> routing tables and standard IPChains (assuming that you're running a
> 2.2.x kernel).  Masquerading is only as important as the outside
> world.  Your web server, however, is another matter.  You control that
> network, those IP's.  You know who the source is and what the
> destination is.  You probably know which ports are needed under which
> protocols.
> 
> Remember this: you do not have to masquerade to the DMZ...
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> IPCN=/usr/sbin/ipchains
> WEBSVR=AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD
> TAPESVR=10.0.0.2
> PROTO=udp
> SPORT=555
> DPORT=555
> 
> # Allow udp traffic to/from the tapeserver and webserver.
> $IPCN -${1:='D'} forward -j ACCEPT -p $PROTO -b -s $TAPESVR $SPORT \
>         -d $WEBSVR $DPORT
> 
> If you want even tighter control on when this rule is allowed, place a
> crontab entry for this script.  Use a parameter variable to specify an
> add ('A') or delete ('D').
> 
> # m h dom m dow  command
> 00 05 * * *      tape-rule A
> 15 05 * * *      tape-rule D
> 
> -- 
> ^chewie
> 
> Sorry about not signing my email...I can't get access to my
> home workstation today. CCW-20010320
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From wilson at visi.com  Tue Mar 20 19:18:53 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109671@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201916570.10180-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> rsync is another option, however, with rsync if someone does compromise your
> webserver, they are going to have a better chance of getting a shell on your
> tape server if you have rsync set up to do it's thing automatically, because
> the .known_hosts file for sshd on the tape server will allow the webserver
> to login with no password.  Even if you use an account that has a shell of
> /bin/false, it's not the most comforting thought in the world.

My understanding of the suggestion was to set up another Linux box inside
the network that would be backed up via the BackupExec agent. The
inside-the-firewall box would rsync nightly with the Web server via ssh. Do
I have that straight.

-Tim

--
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 19:22:30 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201916570.10180-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:18:53PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109671@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201916570.10180-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010320192230.J4388@real-time.com>

Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com):
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > rsync is another option, however, with rsync if someone does compromise your
> > webserver, they are going to have a better chance of getting a shell on your
> > tape server if you have rsync set up to do it's thing automatically, because
> > the .known_hosts file for sshd on the tape server will allow the webserver
> > to login with no password.  Even if you use an account that has a shell of
> > /bin/false, it's not the most comforting thought in the world.
> 
> My understanding of the suggestion was to set up another Linux box inside
> the network that would be backed up via the BackupExec agent. The
> inside-the-firewall box would rsync nightly with the Web server via ssh. Do
> I have that straight.

Yeah. IT might cheaper to put a tape on the DMZ.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 20 19:39:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mounting BSD partitions on Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109673@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I have a BSD box that bit the dust (stupid broken vendor upgrade) and I need
to grab some files off the hard disk.  How exactly would I mount a bsd
partition?  What filesystem type is it?

Jay


From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 20:07:49 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201850100.7110-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:52:13PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201850100.7110-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <20010320200749.A6844@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:52:13PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
>      Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question.
> They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was
> built. Finally the big day was at hand.  All the computers were linked
> together.  They asked the question, "Is there a God?".  Lights started
> blinking, flashing and blinking some more.  Suddenly, there was a loud
> crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the
> computers, and welded all the connections permanently together.  "There
> is now", came the reply.

Probably not the one you're looking for, but...

Sounds kinda like an Asimov short which runs through a series of (seven?)
scenes with the most powerful computer in each era being asked if there's a
way to reverse entropy.  In the final scene, the heat death of the universe
is near, everything but the computer has died out billions of years ago, and
it is barely able to subsist on the dim light of the few remaining stars when
it discovers the means to reverse entropy and speaks:  "Let there be light."

According to a quick google search, the Asimov story's title is "The Last
Question".  The only U.S.-hosted online copy I turned up is at
http://www.sauke.net/~christda/lastq.htm for anyone who hasn't read it.
Asimov said that it was his favorite out of all the short stories he's
written and also the one people most often forgot that he wrote - but they
always remembered the story, which is all he cared about.  Definitely worth a
(re)read.

-- 
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 20:13:17 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010320201317.B6844@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
> putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
> address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.

Do that and your webserver effectively becomes an alternate firewall,
albeit one which is not likely to be fully secured, since that's not its
intended role.  Attackers would then have two routes to choose from for
breaching your internal network.

As others have said, this would be some very bad ju-ju.

-- 
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    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
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!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 20 20:19:13 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <20010320200749.A6844@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103202013420.4090-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:52:13PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> >      Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question.
> > They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was
> > built. Finally the big day was at hand.  All the computers were linked
> > together.  They asked the question, "Is there a God?".  Lights started
> > blinking, flashing and blinking some more.  Suddenly, there was a loud
> > crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the
> > computers, and welded all the connections permanently together.  "There
> > is now", came the reply.
> 
> Probably not the one you're looking for, but...
> 
> Sounds kinda like an Asimov short which runs through a series of (seven?)
> scenes with the most powerful computer in each era being asked if there's a
> way to reverse entropy.  In the final scene, the heat death of the universe
> is near, everything but the computer has died out billions of years ago, and
> it is barely able to subsist on the dim light of the few remaining stars when
> it discovers the means to reverse entropy and speaks:  "Let there be light."
> 
> According to a quick google search, the Asimov story's title is "The Last
> Question".  The only U.S.-hosted online copy I turned up is at
> http://www.sauke.net/~christda/lastq.htm for anyone who hasn't read it.
> Asimov said that it was his favorite out of all the short stories he's
> written and also the one people most often forgot that he wrote - but they
> always remembered the story, which is all he cared about.  Definitely worth a
> (re)read.

The one I always like is "The Nine Billion Names of God," by Asimov.  In
that one, the field service engineer from the big computer company had
been working in the Himalayas where they'd sold a period equivalent of a
supercomputer to some Buddhist monks.  In the story, he stood outside the
monastery walls late one night having a smoke, thinking about this idea
that Judgment Day would arrive when man knew all the names of God.  
Looking at his watch, he realized that the last run should be finished in
a couple of minutes.  As he finished his cigarette, he watched as the
stars began to go out, one by one.



Phil M
-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 21:08:56 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103202013420.4090-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202108060.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> The one I always like is "The Nine Billion Names of God," by Asimov.

Actually that's Arthur C. Clarke! (:



-Yaron

--


From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net  Tue Mar 20 21:28:22 2001
From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103201334110.19286-100000@dragon> <3AB7C7BF.E160F710@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <011401c0b1b8$76680040$0239a8c0@Sakura>

usa.net is a free web based e-mail provider, like hotmail.  I know as I use
it for my permanent e-mail address.

Joseph Key
jkey@usa.net
keyj001@worldnet.att.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn" <fertch@mninter.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] reply -CAGM


> So here's my question:
>
>   Why not trace back to where it originated, and shut him out?  USA.net is
a
> 6.95 a month basic e-mail service if I'm not mistaken.  Doubtful he's
really
> using them though.
>
>
>
> Yaron wrote:
>
> >   Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 primopremiums@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > > I just visited your web site!
> >
> > It's spam like this that REALLY gets me mad. He's so obviously lying!!!
> > Aaaaaaargh!!!! I just want to FIND these people and YELL at them till
they
> > admit how STUPID they are!
> >
> > I just looked at his headers... the "To:" line is "To:
> > friend.MAKU@mn-linux.org"
> >
> > Can the list reject mail where the To line doesn't contain
> > "tclug-list@mn-linux.org"? Will this even cut down on spam?
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 20 21:45:03 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
In-Reply-To: <20010320190255.H4388@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:02:55PM -0600
References: <20010320190255.H4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010320214503.H8892@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010320 19:08]:
> Due to Tivo mess up, I missed the 2hr episode of Voyager last week. Anyone have
> this on VHS? I am willing to pay for it. :-)

Our tivo got it fine, BUT i think we allready nuked it.  I'll check when
I get home. (yay tivo version 2!)

-- 
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Mar 20 22:05:27 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
In-Reply-To: <20010320214503.H8892@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202204440.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> > Due to Tivo mess up, I missed the 2hr episode of Voyager last week. Anyone have
> > this on VHS? I am willing to pay for it. :-)
> Our tivo got it fine, BUT i think we allready nuked it.  I'll check when
> I get home. (yay tivo version 2!)

Voyager episodes have been shoing up on alt.binaries.multimedia...


-Yaron

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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 20 22:23:25 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202108060.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:08:56PM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103202013420.4090-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202108060.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010320222325.A7862@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:08:56PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> > The one I always like is "The Nine Billion Names of God," by Asimov.
> 
> Actually that's Arthur C. Clarke! (:

But it's another good one either way.  (And I thought it was Asimov, too.)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 22:27:00 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202204440.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:05:27PM -0600
References: <20010320214503.H8892@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103202204440.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010320222700.K4388@real-time.com>

Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com):
>   Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> > > Due to Tivo mess up, I missed the 2hr episode of Voyager last week. Anyone have
> > > this on VHS? I am willing to pay for it. :-)
> > Our tivo got it fine, BUT i think we allready nuked it.  I'll check when
> > I get home. (yay tivo version 2!)
> 
> Voyager episodes have been shoing up on alt.binaries.multimedia...

A complete 2 hour episode? How big is that file?
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From mike at getbent.net  Tue Mar 20 22:51:20 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
Message-ID: <01032022512005.03800@Dingo>

Hi there, a while back I posted a question about my attempt to configure my 
sendmail box to relay/spool mail for another domain.

I was helped along by simply adding the domains (Not mine, the ones I want to 
spool for) to  /etc/mail/relay-domains   
 
This seems to work for allowing these domains to use my mail server as a 
relay and to accept the mail and pass it on.  
 
The problem:  When I unplug the other mail server and send an article of mail 
out the message queue's up in my server as I expect it to  (I am listed as a 
secondary MX for their domain)    15 minutes or so later the mail will bounce 
back saying the message could not be delivered with one of two errors.  1 (MX 
points back to myself)  (The sendmail server is also my DNS server)  Or  The 
message could not be delivered.  
 
Is this what is supposed to happen by default?

If I want my server to hang onto a given piece of email for 10 days or so and 
continue to try to deliver, is there something else I need to set.  I find 
the sendmail.cf help files a little vague on this  (Yes I know Sendmail is a 
nightmare to configure...)
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 23:00:19 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
In-Reply-To: <01032022512005.03800@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:51:20PM -0600
References: <01032022512005.03800@Dingo>
Message-ID: <20010320230019.M4388@real-time.com>

Quoting Mike Nielsen (mike@getbent.net):
> Hi there, a while back I posted a question about my attempt to configure my 
> sendmail box to relay/spool mail for another domain.
> 
> I was helped along by simply adding the domains (Not mine, the ones I want to 
> spool for) to  /etc/mail/relay-domains   

What verion of sendmail are you running?

What distribtion?
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From mike at getbent.net  Tue Mar 20 23:40:26 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
In-Reply-To: <20010320230019.M4388@real-time.com>
References: <01032022512005.03800@Dingo> <20010320230019.M4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <01032023402607.03800@Dingo>

On Tuesday 20 March 2001 23:00, you wrote:
> Quoting Mike Nielsen (mike@getbent.net):
> > Hi there, a while back I posted a question about my attempt to configure
> > my sendmail box to relay/spool mail for another domain.
> >
> > I was helped along by simply adding the domains (Not mine, the ones I
> > want to spool for) to  /etc/mail/relay-domains
>
> What verion of sendmail are you running?
>
> What distribtion?

8.11.2  
Slackware Current or 7.1+

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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 23:55:28 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
In-Reply-To: <01032023402607.03800@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:26PM -0600
References: <01032022512005.03800@Dingo> <20010320230019.M4388@real-time.com> <01032023402607.03800@Dingo>
Message-ID: <20010320235528.P4388@real-time.com>

Quoting Mike Nielsen (mike@getbent.net):
> On Tuesday 20 March 2001 23:00, you wrote:
> > Quoting Mike Nielsen (mike@getbent.net):
> > > Hi there, a while back I posted a question about my attempt to configure
> > > my sendmail box to relay/spool mail for another domain.
> > >
> > > I was helped along by simply adding the domains (Not mine, the ones I
> > > want to spool for) to  /etc/mail/relay-domains
> >
> > What verion of sendmail are you running?
> >
> > What distribtion?
> 
> 8.11.2  
> Slackware Current or 7.1+
> 

I don't know how slack does it, but the relay controls under redhat and I
believe default for 8.11.x is in the access file, like this:

/etc/mail/access

localhost                       RELAY
real-time.com                   RELAY
mn-linux.org                    RELAY
207.46.181.30                   REJECT  "relays for anyone spoofing a user@msn.com envelope"

You you need to make sure you have your MX domains in your access file.

Next, make sure you have you are MX'd at a HIGHER level then the real mail
server:

mn-linux.org.           IN      MX      5 mail.mn-linux.org.
                        IN      MX      10 mail.real-time.com.
                        IN      MX      15 mail1.real-time.com.
                        IN      MX      20 mail2.real-time.com.

Make sure local-host-names does NOT have the domain listed in it. Otherwise your
mail server will accept and attempt to deliver the email, instead of MX holding
it.

I never, ever :-) edit the sendmail.cf, I only work with the .mc file, you can
see an example of my .mc file here:

http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/presentations/Sendmail+SMTP_AUTH/html/Sendmail+SMTP_AUTH.htm

I am not sure which slide.



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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Wed Mar 21 01:34:02 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest.
In-Reply-To: <200103191722.LAA17337@rainier.network.com>
References: <200103191722.LAA17337@rainier.network.com>
Message-ID: <m2d7bb7ez9.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"David S. Cargo" <escargo@anubis.network.com> writes:

> I did not hear anything from Wade.
> 
> Did the installfest have much extra hardware come in and out?

I unloaded a computer, disk drive, and graphics card, but I don't
think they actually came in and out; we transferred them in the
parking lot.
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Mar 21 07:09:40 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
In-Reply-To: <20010320222700.K4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103210708260.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> > Voyager episodes have been shoing up on alt.binaries.multimedia...
> A complete 2 hour episode? How big is that file?

Um. Probably kinda big. Pan isn't working right for me anymore so I can't
really tell. It'd be stripped of commercials though.


-Yaron

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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar 21 07:23:42 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
References: <20010320190255.H4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AB8AB5E.2256731C@mninter.net>

Wasn't that already a repeat Bob?  I don't recall what the show was about exactly,
but I remember having already seen it.


Bob Tanner wrote:

> Due to Tivo mess up, I missed the 2hr episode of Voyager last week. Anyone have
> this on VHS? I am willing to pay for it. :-)
>
> Normally it's re-broadcast on Saturday, but it was not this Saturday.
>
> As an aside, I think Tivo has a bug, if 2 shows are on the same time both have
> season pass and 1 show has 3 thumbs up and the other has 1 thumbs up, it should
> pick the 3 thumbs up show. But it doesn't. :-(
>
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From mjn at umn.edu  Wed Mar 21 08:10:38 2001
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103210807570.2921-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

As of Mar 20, 2001, Timothy Wilson can be held liable for saying:

> Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall and 
> has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd behind the
> firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library set up inside to
> back up all the file servers.
> 
> Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent and
> backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The firewall makes
> that more complicated.
> 
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
> putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
> address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.

It'd seem like this would work but I have tried it and, according to
Veritas, Backup Exec doesn't do multi-honing.  You'd have to change your
network config on the webserver so the internal NIC is your primary
device.

Like I said, I've tried it and the NIC setup went flawlessly but the agent
couldn't connect.  We dicked with it for a couple hours and finally broke
down and called Veritas and they said that kind of setup wasn't supported.

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From mjn at umn.edu  Wed Mar 21 08:10:38 2001
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103210807570.2921-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

As of Mar 20, 2001, Timothy Wilson can be held liable for saying:

> Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall and 
> has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd behind the
> firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library set up inside to
> back up all the file servers.
> 
> Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent and
> backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The firewall makes
> that more complicated.
> 
> Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
> putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
> address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.

It'd seem like this would work but I have tried it and, according to
Veritas, Backup Exec doesn't do multi-honing.  You'd have to change your
network config on the webserver so the internal NIC is your primary
device.

Like I said, I've tried it and the NIC setup went flawlessly but the agent
couldn't connect.  We dicked with it for a couple hours and finally broke
down and called Veritas and they said that kind of setup wasn't supported.

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From brianj at medilinks.net  Wed Mar 21 08:12:19 2001
From: brianj at medilinks.net (Brian J. Ackermann)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Connection Teaming
In-Reply-To: <200103202048.f2KKm2l14696@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <LMEMJIMEPMOLDMODEHENEEGGCBAA.brianj@medilinks.net>

Hey all,

I've got a friend who's looking into the possibility of moving is software
router from vicomsoft to linux.  The one big catch he has is that vicomsoft
offers "connection teaming" so that he could add a cable modem to his DSL
setup, strictly to support his download speeds.

I expect something like this is possible under linux, but I must not have
the right phrases to search with, because I'm coming up empty.  Can anybody
point me to something?

Thanks...

Brian


From simeonuj at eetc.com  Wed Mar 21 09:01:30 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109671@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201916570.10180-100000@isis.visi.com> <20010320192230.J4388@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AB8C244.BD0CE745@eetc.com>

We have 2 computers in the DMZ and 2 on internal network that backup nightly.  We
use only ssh and rsync.  Using keys for automatic login make this very nice.  rsync
is just a cron job.
What kind of backup media are you using?  We simply use linux built in tools for
backup.  No special software needed if you tape drive is supported ( probably ).
We use a slow tape drive that backs up about 26-30 GB a night.  It's a slow tape
drive so it ends around 7:00 in the morning right before work.  Starts at about
7:00 at night.

Bob Tanner wrote:

> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com):
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> >
> > > rsync is another option, however, with rsync if someone does compromise your
> > > webserver, they are going to have a better chance of getting a shell on your
> > > tape server if you have rsync set up to do it's thing automatically, because
> > > the .known_hosts file for sshd on the tape server will allow the webserver
> > > to login with no password.  Even if you use an account that has a shell of
> > > /bin/false, it's not the most comforting thought in the world.
> >
> > My understanding of the suggestion was to set up another Linux box inside
> > the network that would be backed up via the BackupExec agent. The
> > inside-the-firewall box would rsync nightly with the Web server via ssh. Do
> > I have that straight.
>
> Yeah. IT might cheaper to put a tape on the DMZ.

Why even use BackupExec?  For windows?  I havn't seen any backup software to
compare with Retrospect... But that's a mac thing. ;-)

sim


From jima at gimp.damnation.net  Wed Mar 21 09:29:18 2001
From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010321090357.00a25ca0@mail.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103210906220.13377-100000@gimp.damnation.net>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote:

> Hi there, a while back I posted a question about my attempt to configure my
> sendmail box to relay/spool mail for another domain.
> 
> I was helped along by simply adding the domains (Not mine, the ones I want to
> spool for) to  /etc/mail/relay-domains
>
> This seems to work for allowing these domains to use my mail server as a
> relay and to accept the mail and pass it on.
> 
> The problem:  When I unplug the other mail server and send an article of mail
> out the message queue's up in my server as I expect it to  (I am listed as a
> secondary MX for their domain)    15 minutes or so later the mail will bounce
> back saying the message could not be delivered with one of two errors.  1 (MX
> points back to myself)  (The sendmail server is also my DNS server)  Or The
> message could not be delivered.
>
> Is this what is supposed to happen by default?

 If you set it up wrong, yes.
 I'm not ripping on you with that.  It took me a few weeks to figure the
trick out.  It's only vaguely documented, and even that's hard to find.
 Do you have mailertable support in your sendmail.cf file?  (As Bob Tanner
said, don't edit sendmail.cf -- it's very messy.  Rebuild the
configuration from an .mc file.  For mailertable, add 
"FEATURE(`mailertable')dnl" to your .mc file.)
 Anyway, mailertable's format is usually like this:

something.com		smtp:mail1.something.com

 However, if you're a higher-numbered MX for something.com, and mail1 is
down when your server receives the mail, you're going to get that stupid
error.  (Like I did 100 times.)  The trick is, if you surround the
hostname you're forwarding to with brackets, it'll ignore the MX records
and do whatever you tell it to.

something.com		smtp:[mail1.something.com]

 As I said, it's a poorly documented workaround.  There's one reference to
it in the cf/README file (around line 2334, for 8.11.1 anyway), but aside
from that, I couldn't find anything mentioning it.

> If I want my server to hang onto a given piece of email for 10 days or so and
> continue to try to deliver, is there something else I need to set.  I find
> the sendmail.cf help files a little vague on this  (Yes I know Sendmail is a
> nightmare to configure...)

 Usually sendmail will hold onto an email for 4 or 5 days before it dumps
it. I'm not aware of a way to change that.

 Hope this helps.

     Jima


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 21 09:39:20 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsing..
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101121614450.6643-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I don't suppose anybody has any idea what might be causing this..  Of
course, I'm running a Linux 2.4.2 kernel w/ReiserFS and GFS (neither are
being used right now)

Hmm.. maybe I should have used kgcc (the kernel was compiled with
RedHat's patched gcc-2.96).

Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:  printing eip:
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: c0132f94
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Oops: 0002
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: CPU:    0
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[put_filp+4/64]
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00210282
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: eax: ca08b489   ebx: ca4f2000   ecx: 00000000 edx: c3590601
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: esi: fffffff7   edi: 09238000   ebp: 00001000 esp: ca4f3f8c
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Process netscape-commun (pid: 19889, stackpage=ca4f3000)
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Stack: c01322f9 00000000 00000000 c3590600 00000000 00000000 c3590600 000fe000 
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:        c013211e ca4f2000 00000010 09238000 bfffdd00 c0108fc3 00000010 09238000 
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:        00001000 00000010 09238000 bfffdd00 00000004 0000002b 0000002b 00000004 
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Call Trace: [sys_write+25/208] [sys_lseek+110/128] [system_call+51/64] 
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: 
Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Code: ff 49 14 0f 94 c0 84 c0 74 27 8b 41 04 8b 11 89 42 04 89 10 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:  printing eip:
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: c0132e9c
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Oops: 0000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: CPU:    0
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[fput+12/208]
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00210282
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: eax: c6308b00   ebx: c6308b00   ecx: c3846d80 edx: c3dc9b01
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: esi: 00000000   edi: 40b21348   ebp: 00000000 esp: c209bf7c
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Process xmms (pid: 20700, stackpage=c209b000)
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Stack: c6308b00 fffffff7 40b21348 00001000 c01323a1 c3846d80 c3846d84 c3846d88 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        c3846d8c c3846d90 c3846d94 00000000 c0140262 c209a000 00001000 40b21348 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        bf1ffa04 c0108fc3 00000012 40b21348 00001000 00001000 40b21348 bf1ffa04 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Call Trace: [sys_write+193/208] [sys_ioctl+434/464] [system_call+51/64] 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Code: 8b 7d 08 ff 4b 14 0f 94 c0 84 c0 0f 84 a0 00 00 00 53 e8 9d 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:  printing eip:
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: 00000000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Oops: 0000
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: CPU:    0
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[msr_exit+0/32]
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00010207
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: eax: c0259200   ebx: 00000261   ecx: 000001f0 edx: c73514e4
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: esi: c136ee0c   edi: c106c3f0   ebp: fffffff2 esp: c5693f18
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Process xmms (pid: 18851, stackpage=c5693000)
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Stack: c01283a2 c781c1a0 c106c3f0 00000071 00000261 c5693f54 00000000 00000001 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        000001f0 00000071 00000000 00001071 00000000 c73514e4 c7351440 00000000 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        c3b0b000 00200286 c5692000 00000000 0000ea60 c781c1a0 ffffffea 00000000 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Call Trace: [generic_file_write+1170/1200] [sys_write+149/208] [system_call+51/64] 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: 
Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Code:  Bad EIP value.



From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 09:45:39 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mounting BSD partitions on Linux
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109673@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:39:43PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109673@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010321094539.A484@vm-lvm>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:39:43PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
>I have a BSD box that bit the dust (stupid broken vendor upgrade) and I need
>to grab some files off the hard disk.  How exactly would I mount a bsd
>partition?  What filesystem type is it?

You need to compile in BSD slices support in "advanced partition selection"
and UFS support under "File systems"

>
>Jay
>
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From ksm at dogbrain.com  Wed Mar 21 11:14:59 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Relay Spooling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103210906220.13377-100000@gimp.damnation.net>; from Jima on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 09:29:18AM -0600
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010321090357.00a25ca0@mail.mintygreen.net> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103210906220.13377-100000@gimp.damnation.net>
Message-ID: <20010321111459.A19646@dogbrain.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 09:29:18AM -0600, Jima wrote:
> 
>  Usually sendmail will hold onto an email for 4 or 5 days before it dumps
> it. I'm not aware of a way to change that.

You can change it with:

confTO_QUEUERETURN      Timeout.queuereturn
                                        [5d] The timeout before a message is
                                        returned as undeliverable.

which might look like the following in your mc file:

define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `8d')dnl

If you wanted to set it to 8 days.

Regards

					- Karl

From atebbe at real-time.com  Wed Mar 21 11:30:12 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Tonight
Message-ID: <20010321113012.A28809@real-time.com>

Reminder - TCLUG Meeting tonight.

Topic: Linux on S/390 Mainframe
Presenter: Steve Logreira, IBM
Time: 7-9pm
Location:  West Bank Office Building, U of M, Room 140

See www.mn-linux.org for directions

This will be the first mid-month meeting.  We hope to have enough
turnout to warrant additional mid-month meetings.

See you there :)
 
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 21 11:52:52 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Tonight
In-Reply-To: <20010321113012.A28809@real-time.com>
References: <20010321113012.A28809@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010321115252.584019e3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Amy Tanner <atebbe@real-time.com> wrote:
> 
> Reminder - TCLUG Meeting tonight.
> 
> Topic: Linux on S/390 Mainframe
> Presenter: Steve Logreira, IBM
> Time: 7-9pm
> Location:  West Bank Office Building, U of M, Room 140
> 
> See www.mn-linux.org for directions

Also note http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WBOB/

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From thudak at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 11:57:49 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201741480.4594-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010321115749.D26827@cesium.sistina.com>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
>Our new Web server sits in a DMZ outside our school's main firewall and 
>has a regular IP address. The rest of the district is NAT'd behind the
>firewall using a 10.*.*.* block. We have a tape library set up inside to
>back up all the file servers.
>
>Since we have a BackupExec setup, I'd like to install the Unix agent and
>backup the Web server files to the internal tape library. The firewall makes
>that more complicated.
>
>Here's the question: How 'bout putting a 2nd NIC in the Webserver and
>putting that NIC on the internal network? The 2nd one would get a 10.* IP
>address and shouldn't have any trouble accessing the tape library.
GAH!!! NOOOOOO!!!! If you need to make the webserver look like it's inside,
tunnel (IP-IP) it to the internal side of the firewall, so it's seen as just another
IP inside your network, the firewall takes care of the routing, and your
external webserver is now seen internally by your backup software. If it
dosn't do multi-honing, setup the tunnel, and use rsync to sync your data to a
machine inside that is being backed up, or do some super fancy port-forwarding
to get the backup requests to and from the webserver and initiate the data
transfer through the firewall itself. I am not familiar with BackupExec but I
assume it's got the capability to do client/server backup, with that said, a
tunnel should be all that's needed.
>
>It's certainly possible to prevent cross-traffic between the NICs, but I'm
>not sure if this setup is really "securable." How much trouble am I asking
>for? :-)
A lot, now there's 2 points of entry to your internal lan, and 1 isn't secured
(unless you have a no-nonsense firewall explicitly rejecting/denying all traffic from
nic1-ext to nic2-int.) and routing is done properly.
>Anybody have any advice?
Use amanda, don't do drugs, and always use a condom. 
:-)
Good luck,
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 21 12:36:26 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: desperate for last week voyager
In-Reply-To: <3AB8AB5E.2256731C@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 07:23:42AM -0600
References: <20010320190255.H4388@real-time.com> <3AB8AB5E.2256731C@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010321123626.B1267@real-time.com>

Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net):
> Wasn't that already a repeat Bob?  I don't recall what the show was about
exactly, > but I remember having already seen it.  > 

I think so, the Tivo guide thingie had the description wrong.
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From clay at fandre.com  Wed Mar 21 12:48:56 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsing..
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101121614450.6643-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB8F798.7E2D3297@fandre.com>

Read the Documentation/Oops-tracing.txt. And when you figure out how to
debug it let me know because I get a few Oopses a day. (Me think its me
bad hardware)


Mike Hicks wrote:
> 
> I don't suppose anybody has any idea what might be causing this..  Of
> course, I'm running a Linux 2.4.2 kernel w/ReiserFS and GFS (neither are
> being used right now)
> 
> Hmm.. maybe I should have used kgcc (the kernel was compiled with
> RedHat's patched gcc-2.96).
> 
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:  printing eip:
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: c0132f94
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Oops: 0002
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: CPU:    0
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[put_filp+4/64]
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00210282
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: eax: ca08b489   ebx: ca4f2000   ecx: 00000000 edx: c3590601
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: esi: fffffff7   edi: 09238000   ebp: 00001000 esp: ca4f3f8c
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Process netscape-commun (pid: 19889, stackpage=ca4f3000)
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Stack: c01322f9 00000000 00000000 c3590600 00000000 00000000 c3590600 000fe000
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:        c013211e ca4f2000 00000010 09238000 bfffdd00 c0108fc3 00000010 09238000
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:        00001000 00000010 09238000 bfffdd00 00000004 0000002b 0000002b 00000004
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Call Trace: [sys_write+25/208] [sys_lseek+110/128] [system_call+51/64]
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel:
> Mar 21 09:13:48 3po kernel: Code: ff 49 14 0f 94 c0 84 c0 74 27 8b 41 04 8b 11 89 42 04 89 10
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:  printing eip:
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: c0132e9c
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Oops: 0000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: CPU:    0
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[fput+12/208]
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00210282
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: eax: c6308b00   ebx: c6308b00   ecx: c3846d80 edx: c3dc9b01
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: esi: 00000000   edi: 40b21348   ebp: 00000000 esp: c209bf7c
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Process xmms (pid: 20700, stackpage=c209b000)
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Stack: c6308b00 fffffff7 40b21348 00001000 c01323a1 c3846d80 c3846d84 c3846d88
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        c3846d8c c3846d90 c3846d94 00000000 c0140262 c209a000 00001000 40b21348
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        bf1ffa04 c0108fc3 00000012 40b21348 00001000 00001000 40b21348 bf1ffa04
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Call Trace: [sys_write+193/208] [sys_ioctl+434/464] [system_call+51/64]
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Code: 8b 7d 08 ff 4b 14 0f 94 c0 84 c0 0f 84 a0 00 00 00 53 e8 9d
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:  printing eip:
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: *pde = 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Oops: 0000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: CPU:    0
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EIP:    0010:[msr_exit+0/32]
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: EFLAGS: 00010207
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: eax: c0259200   ebx: 00000261   ecx: 000001f0 edx: c73514e4
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: esi: c136ee0c   edi: c106c3f0   ebp: fffffff2 esp: c5693f18
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Process xmms (pid: 18851, stackpage=c5693000)
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Stack: c01283a2 c781c1a0 c106c3f0 00000071 00000261 c5693f54 00000000 00000001
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        000001f0 00000071 00000000 00001071 00000000 c73514e4 c7351440 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:        c3b0b000 00200286 c5692000 00000000 0000ea60 c781c1a0 ffffffea 00000000
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Call Trace: [generic_file_write+1170/1200] [sys_write+149/208] [system_call+51/64]
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel:
> Mar 21 09:14:05 3po kernel: Code:  Bad EIP value.
> 
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From mend0070 at umn.edu  Wed Mar 21 12:49:28 2001
From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
Message-ID: <200103211849.MAA09070@www4.mail.umn.edu>

On 20 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> > The one I always like is "The Nine Billion Names of God," by Asimov.
> 
> Actually that's Arthur C. Clarke! (:

Is it?  I get them mixed up.  The weird part is that Arthur C. Clarke is
the authors of one of the letters to the editor in the current issue of
Scientific American.

Phil M

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Wed Mar 21 13:01:52 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
Message-ID: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>

Hello all,

I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding instructions on how 
to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Dave
-- 
Registered Linux User #197840

"Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."

From jethro at yaron.org  Wed Mar 21 13:06:25 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <200103211849.MAA09070@www4.mail.umn.edu>
References: <200103211849.MAA09070@www4.mail.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <985201585.3ab8fbb12ae97@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@umn.edu>:

> Is it?  I get them mixed up.  The weird part is that Arthur C. Clarke
> is the authors of one of the letters to the editor in the current issue
> of Scientific American.

How many times is the Space Elevator mentioned? (:

-Yaron

--

From ksm at dogbrain.com  Wed Mar 21 13:31:29 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>; from Dave Sherman on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <20010321133129.B19646@dogbrain.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600, Dave Sherman wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
> another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
> Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding instructions on how 
> to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?

You might try cu --help if it's installed on your system. Or you can
get something like microcom (search on freshmeat). 

Regards

					- Karl

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 21 13:37:25 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10967F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I need to get myself a scanner to start scanning in all of my stupid bills
and paperwork that always seems to float around my apartment and then
suddenly disappear.  

So, I'm thinking USB since parallel port is slow.  Does anyone have a USB
scanner working with Linux?  What's a good model to buy?  I want something
that will scan relatively fast as I'll mostly be scanning paperwork at
150-300dpi.  The new Canon super thin scanners look pretty cool (1.3" thick,
titanium colored, and around $100), but I heard they were slow.

Any suggestions?

Jay

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 21 13:33:59 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10967E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

minicom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dcsherman@qwest.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
> another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
> Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding 
> instructions on how 
> to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> -- 
> Registered Linux User #197840
> 
> "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 21 13:38:06 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <3AB9031E.E3E0571D@ltiflex.com>

Try minicom. http://freshmeat.net/projects/minicom/

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From thudak at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 13:39:37 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>; from dcsherman@qwest.net on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <20010321133937.B884@cesium.sistina.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600, Dave Sherman wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
>another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
>Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding instructions on how 
>to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
Console over serial, make sure you have either a straight through or x-over
serial cable (tx,rx,gnd are all the pin's needed unless you want
flow-control/CD stuff...), and kermit and you should be all good.
Thanks,
-- 
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Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 21 14:11:57 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10967F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3AB90B0D.895AE90F@ltiflex.com>

Looks like Cannon scanners aren't supported (at lease by SANE). 
See http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html for the list of supported
scanners. If you don't allready have SCSI or firewire, USB is the way to go,
but looks like you should pass over Cannon's scanners unless you want to run
windows. I can safely say that I have yet to be impressed by a USB scanner,
but I've only played with two. 

See /usr/src/linux/Documentation
CONFIG_USB_SCANNER:                                                                  
Say Y here if you want to connect a USB scanner to your computer's
USB port. Please read Documentation/usb/scanner.txt and
Documentation/usb/scanner-hp-sane.txt for more information.
This code is also available as a module ( = code which can be
inserted in and removed from the running kernel whenever you want).
The module will be called scanner.o. If you want to compile it as 
a module, say M here and read Documentation/modules.txt.
               
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Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From kent at structural-wood.com  Wed Mar 21 14:35:24 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10967F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3AB9108C.8F18900D@structural-wood.com>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> I need to get myself a scanner to start scanning in all of my stupid bills
> and paperwork that always seems to float around my apartment and then
> suddenly disappear.
> 
> So, I'm thinking USB since parallel port is slow.  Does anyone have a USB
> scanner working with Linux?  What's a good model to buy?  I want something
> that will scan relatively fast as I'll mostly be scanning paperwork at
> 150-300dpi.  The new Canon super thin scanners look pretty cool (1.3" thick,
> titanium colored, and around $100), but I heard they were slow.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Jay
>

I love my epson 1200u.  It's usb, fast, and trivial to set up.  Supported by
sane with scanimage, xscanimage, and StarOffice as good clients.

StarOffice pukes with big scans.  xscanimage isn't bothered in the
least.

http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/

Click on devices then scanners.

Here's sanes web page.

http://panda.mostang.com/sane/

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 21 14:41:24 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109682@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I was doing some more checking and from what I can see, the Epson Perfection
1240U is probably the best for the price.  4 to 5 seconds to scan a 4x5
photo at 600dpi.

http://www.epinions.com has a couple of reviews on it, and one even mentions
that it works with Linux.  http://www.pricescan.com has a listing for $163
too.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:12 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] usb scanners
> 
> 
> Looks like Cannon scanners aren't supported (at lease by SANE). 
> See http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html for the 
> list of supported
> scanners. If you don't allready have SCSI or firewire, USB is 
> the way to go,
> but looks like you should pass over Cannon's scanners unless 
> you want to run
> windows. I can safely say that I have yet to be impressed by 
> a USB scanner,
> but I've only played with two. 
> 
> See /usr/src/linux/Documentation
> CONFIG_USB_SCANNER:                                           
>                        
> Say Y here if you want to connect a USB scanner to your computer's
> USB port. Please read Documentation/usb/scanner.txt and
> Documentation/usb/scanner-hp-sane.txt for more information.
> This code is also available as a module ( = code which can be
> inserted in and removed from the running kernel whenever you want).
> The module will be called scanner.o. If you want to compile it as 
> a module, say M here and read Documentation/modules.txt.
>                
> --
> Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
> LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
> 21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
> Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
> 

From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 15:14:24 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsing..
In-Reply-To: <3AB8F798.7E2D3297@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:48:56PM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101121614450.6643-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <3AB8F798.7E2D3297@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010321151424.B1222@vm-lvm>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:48:56PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote:
>Read the Documentation/Oops-tracing.txt. And when you figure out how to
>debug it let me know because I get a few Oopses a day. (Me think its me
>bad hardware)
>
>
If you're oopsing many times a day it's time to fire up a kernel debugger. kdb
it's called and there are several flavors available. I just installed
2.4.2-ac9 today and saw all sorts of new sexy debugging options in the
.config.
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"It's hard to believe that's the same frail woman who once sprained her wrist
from having too much dip on a cracker!" -- Frazier Crane
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From fdickinson at morganhunter.com  Wed Mar 21 15:08:26 2001
From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Is there a way for sendmail to archive all outgoing messages
Message-ID: <NFBBLABLKKJPOGPGCLPDKEKMCDAA.fdickinson@morganhunter.com>

I am running RedHat 7 and SendMail 8.11 and I am wondering if there is a way
for SendMail to archive all outgoing mail. I am open to the possibility of
all outgoing mail being CC to a separate account.

Thank you,

Forrest Dickinson
Network Administrator
Morgan Hunter Companies
(913) 491-3434
www.morganhunter.com

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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed Mar 21 15:26:01 2001
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: Related: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010321133937.B884@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>

On a related subject, I have been trying to set up a box that i can ssh
to, that will then allow me to connect over serial to a boot console on
several different machines. 

I have a RocketPort PCI card from comtrol, and a dumb black box that
connects to this card, and has 16 rj-45 ports on it.  I use that, and
rj-45 to db-9 converters attatched to the serial port on box1, box2, box3,
... box16 (all redhat6.2 and 7.0).  

My objective is clear, my method is not clear (to me)

I need to be able to ssh to this PC with 16port black box that attatches
to RocketPort and use minicom (or something similar) and get a conolse
connection to the other boxes when something flakes out.  Buffering of the
screen is nice too.  

A while back, i got it setup so i could echo back and forth from one box
to the other, and then i was able to direct the login prompt at the
console over serail (at the price of not having the console be my
monitor) but I wouldnt take anyting for input.  

Any ideas?

I believe that this shouldnt be difficlut, nor everly complex.  We are
trying to implement this over a 5-10K box from clearview or someone like
that.

I have read the HOW-TO from LDP, and searched around for quite a bit on
google and deja (at least when deja was deja and not google)

I have tried adding lines such as these to my inittab: (only one at a time
fo course)

7:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS0 -r 9600

S0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS0 DT9600 vt100

S1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS1 DT9600 vt100

7:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -r ttyS0



The device ships with some diagnostice to test the install, and that
passes.

I have even had to build cables with different pinouts to get it to work
for our cisco devices.

I think the core of my problem lays at the linux level, not the device.  I
dont feel like i have the system set up to do console over serial port...

thanks again.

duncan

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Tom Hudak wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600, Dave Sherman wrote:
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
> >another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
> >Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding instructions on how 
> >to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
> Console over serial, make sure you have either a straight through or x-over
> serial cable (tx,rx,gnd are all the pin's needed unless you want
> flow-control/CD stuff...), and kermit and you should be all good.
> Thanks,
> 

-- 
||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
duncan shannon            .-.
duncan@sodatrain.com      /v\
                         // \\
                        /(   )\   L   I   N   U   X
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From ksm at dogbrain.com  Wed Mar 21 15:43:45 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Is there a way for sendmail to archive all outgoing messages
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLABLKKJPOGPGCLPDKEKMCDAA.fdickinson@morganhunter.com>; from Forrest Dickinson on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:08:26PM -0600
References: <NFBBLABLKKJPOGPGCLPDKEKMCDAA.fdickinson@morganhunter.com>
Message-ID: <20010321154345.C19646@dogbrain.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Forrest Dickinson wrote:
> I am running RedHat 7 and SendMail 8.11 and I am wondering if there is a way
> for SendMail to archive all outgoing mail. I am open to the possibility of
> all outgoing mail being CC to a separate account.

This is on the sendmail FAQ.

Subject: Q4.20 -- How can I automatically copy messages based on sender or
recipient addresses?

Date: June 30, 2000 
Updated: February 27, 2001 

It would require custom programming. You could either write a mail
filter using the new (currently not supported) Milter API in sendmail
8.10 and later (see libmilter/README) or you could look at some of
these other unsupported hints: 

     Axel Reinhold's logall.c module 
     (http://www.freakout.de/logall.c)

Regards

					- Karl

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 21 15:49:25 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109684@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I just ordered up an Epson 1240U from mwave.com.  Someone I work with has
the 1640SU, and with usb it only takes him about 5 seconds to scan in an
8.5x11 document.  

The new Canon slim scanner that we got here at work took more than 2 minutes
to scan an 8.5x11 document at 75dpi.  Sad.  

Now I just need to write something I can use to index and archive all of my
bills and documents before I put them into the paper shredder since they
just get lost anyway.  If I shred them, at least I know where they went.  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:35 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] usb scanners
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > 
> > I need to get myself a scanner to start scanning in all of 
> my stupid bills
> > and paperwork that always seems to float around my 
> apartment and then
> > suddenly disappear.
> > 
> > So, I'm thinking USB since parallel port is slow.  Does 
> anyone have a USB
> > scanner working with Linux?  What's a good model to buy?  I 
> want something
> > that will scan relatively fast as I'll mostly be scanning 
> paperwork at
> > 150-300dpi.  The new Canon super thin scanners look pretty 
> cool (1.3" thick,
> > titanium colored, and around $100), but I heard they were slow.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > Jay
> >
> 
> I love my epson 1200u.  It's usb, fast, and trivial to set 
> up.  Supported by
> sane with scanimage, xscanimage, and StarOffice as good clients.
> 
> StarOffice pukes with big scans.  xscanimage isn't bothered in the
> least.
> 
> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
> 
> Click on devices then scanners.
> 
> Here's sanes web page.
> 
> http://panda.mostang.com/sane/
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From thudak at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 15:52:00 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>; from dcsherman@qwest.net on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:01:52PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com>
Message-ID: <20010321155200.B1355@cesium.sistina.com>

>I know there is a way to set up a serial-port terminal connection to 
>another device (Cisco router in this case), just like Hyperterm for 
>Windows. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding instructions on how 
>to do it. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
This is standard console over serial, for which minicom will not help you as
there isn't a way (at least not that I know of) to make it act like a dumb
terminal. You want to avoid all CD (carrier-detect, ie don't detect the
presence of a carrier signal.) and flow-control and jump on cisco's website to
get the RJ-45 --> DB-9 pin-outs. It should be easy, example, an 800 series
cisco router use's RJ-45 for console on pin's 2, 5, and 6, which are rx, gnd, tx which
connect to pin's 2, 3 and 5 on the DB9 (serial) connector on your PC.
In kermit, enter the following
set line /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever your using)
set baud 9600 (default for cisco, and a lot of other stuff)
set carrier-watch off
set flow-control off (not really important because there's no flow-control
	paths anyways)
connect
and you'll have a direct-serial connection, aka console over serial, provided
you have your kernel configured correctly etc.
Good luck,
-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From jima at gimp.damnation.net  Wed Mar 21 15:57:00 2001
From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Is there a way for sendmail to archive all  outgoing
 messages
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010321154711.00a2f6d0@mail.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103211550250.13822-100000@gimp.damnation.net>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Forrest Dickinson wrote:

> I am running RedHat 7 and SendMail 8.11 and I am wondering if there is a 
> way for SendMail to archive all outgoing mail. I am open to the possibility 
> of all outgoing mail being CC to a separate account.

 I was presented with this problem some time back.  My employers wanted
all mail, incoming and outgoing, recorded.  The incoming was done fairly
easily with procmail, but there isn't anything native to procmail or
sendmail that can handle outgoing.  There is, however, a patch to sendmail
that can log all mail -- incoming, outgoing, probably even relayed (scary
thought, I know).  It can be found at:

http://www.freakout.de/logall.c

 The documentation (as much as it is) is in a huge comment in the file.  I
haven't looked at it since I implemented it, but perhaps it could be
adapted to only log outgoing mail.
 Hope that helps.

     Jima


From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Mar 21 16:05:02 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: Related: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103211604040.32584-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, duncan wrote:
> On a related subject, I have been trying to set up a box that i can ssh
> to, that will then allow me to connect over serial to a boot console on
> several different machines.
>
> I have a RocketPort PCI card from comtrol, and a dumb black box that
> connects to this card, and has 16 rj-45 ports on it.  I use that, and
> rj-45 to db-9 converters attatched to the serial port on box1, box2, box3,
> ... box16 (all redhat6.2 and 7.0).
>
> My objective is clear, my method is not clear (to me)
>
> I need to be able to ssh to this PC with 16port black box that attatches
> to RocketPort and use minicom (or something similar) and get a conolse
> connection to the other boxes when something flakes out.  Buffering of the

just set up a bunch of minicom sessions, each defining which serial port
it uses, and name them according to the name of the remote device.

then, ssh in, and run:

minicom name_of_device

and you've got a serial console.  :)

getty is used to allow a remote machine (ie, console) to log in to the
linux box. not what you want..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From thudak at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 16:05:18 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: Related: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:26:01PM -0500
References: <20010321133937.B884@cesium.sistina.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <20010321160518.C1355@cesium.sistina.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:26:01PM -0500, duncan wrote:
>I have a RocketPort PCI card from comtrol, and a dumb black box that
>connects to this card, and has 16 rj-45 ports on it.  I use that, and
>rj-45 to db-9 converters attatched to the serial port on box1, box2, box3,
>... box16 (all redhat6.2 and 7.0).  
>My objective is clear, my method is not clear (to me)
Console over serial at boot time. 
Make sure console on serial is compiled into your kernel (character devices
section) into your kernels and add an append line similar to the following:
append="console=ttyS0,19200"  on each box you would like to get console on.

Now they will dump console data over the serial line, all you should need now
is matching settings in kermit, and point it at the port # that box is plugged
into on the rocketport, ie box10.local is on serial 10, enter kermit on the
machine you ssh'd into, and run the following
set line /dev/ttyS9
set baud 19200
set carrier-watch off
connect
Console over serial, Hurrah!!
>I need to be able to ssh to this PC with 16port black box that attatches
>to RocketPort and use minicom (or something similar) and get a conolse
>connection to the other boxes when something flakes out.  Buffering of the
>screen is nice too.  
Kermit!!! minicom sucks.
>I believe that this shouldnt be difficlut, nor everly complex.  We are
>trying to implement this over a 5-10K box from clearview or someone like
>that.
>
>The device ships with some diagnostice to test the install, and that
>passes.
>
>I have even had to build cables with different pinouts to get it to work
>for our cisco devices.
Of course! Why would cisco use standard pin-outs for anything, they don't even
standardize the console pin-outs across their product lines, (700 series
console cable won't work for 800, etc.)
>
>I think the core of my problem lays at the linux level, not the device.  I
>dont feel like i have the system set up to do console over serial port...
It just takes that kernel option and the lilo line. If you bios supports it,
you can setup your bios identical to your console settings (or vice versa) and
have console over serial from POST on! (ever tweaked your bios's remotely?!)
>
>thanks again.
Good Luck!
-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Mar 21 17:18:36 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: Related: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:26:01PM -0500
References: <20010321133937.B884@cesium.sistina.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <20010321171836.B1472@vm-lvm>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:26:01PM -0500, duncan wrote:
>On a related subject, I have been trying to set up a box that i can ssh
>to, that will then allow me to connect over serial to a boot console on
>several different machines. 
>
>I have a RocketPort PCI card from comtrol, and a dumb black box that
>connects to this card, and has 16 rj-45 ports on it.  I use that, and
>rj-45 to db-9 converters attatched to the serial port on box1, box2, box3,
>... box16 (all redhat6.2 and 7.0).  
>
>My objective is clear, my method is not clear (to me)

get the hardware setup, connect the PC serial ports to the rocket port "hub"
ssh to the machine with the rocketport card on it and run kermit on the tty

you can put commands in files like so
set line /dev/ttyR0
set carrier-watch off
connect

then you can run 
kermit <filename> and get serial access to the box connected to port (1) I
hate the way they're numbered.

You'll prolly have to configure the kernels on the machines to support console
over serial port support (under charachter devices), and setup lilo to puke
the stuff out the serial line.

append="console=ttyS0" in lilo.conf should do it if the cable is connected to
com1.

append="serial=ttyS0" if you wanna see the lilo prompt,  you will also need to
adjust the speed on the kermit session to match that of what you set in the
serial port too. you can do this in BIOS (I think) or in the above append line

append="serial=ttyS0,115200"

I can also offer you the pin-outs for the connectors if you need them, and you
use a normail CAT5 cable between the rocketport hub and the DB-9 -> RJ-45
converters.

>
>I need to be able to ssh to this PC with 16port black box that attatches
>to RocketPort and use minicom (or something similar) and get a conolse
>connection to the other boxes when something flakes out.  Buffering of the
>screen is nice too.  

We use this all the time (duh, kernel hacking)


>A while back, i got it setup so i could echo back and forth from one box
>to the other, and then i was able to direct the login prompt at the
>console over serail (at the price of not having the console be my
>monitor) but I wouldnt take anyting for input.  

not following you, it should be writeable as well as readable.


>Any ideas?

I have machines with magical, mystical BIOSes that allow me to get to them
over serial line. (ServerWorks mobo's have this)

>
>I believe that this shouldnt be difficlut, nor everly complex.  We are
>trying to implement this over a 5-10K box from clearview or someone like
>that.

I use a 386 :-)


>I have read the HOW-TO from LDP, and searched around for quite a bit on
>google and deja (at least when deja was deja and not google)

T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100

that's the line I've used to put a getty on it, but it has to be slightly
slower then I think. Better to just use it for output (especially when you get
several megs of kernel messages (gfs.o is over 10MB with all the debugging
stuff turned on)

>I think the core of my problem lays at the linux level, not the device.  I
>dont feel like i have the system set up to do console over serial port...

Actually your problem is probably pinouts on the cables if you do the stuff
above and still don't get it to go.


-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
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From dante at plethora.net  Wed Mar 21 23:13:37 2001
From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: Related: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010321171836.B1472@vm-lvm>
References: <20010321133937.B884@cesium.sistina.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211614080.27644-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com> <20010321171836.B1472@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <01032123133700.07396@debian>

All well and good, but I have had better luck using "cu -l tty{whatever} -s 
{baud rate}". Contrary to other postings, minicom will work just fine also. 
The trickey bit comes in the wiring, you may need to run a null modem cable 
or adapter between the ports, my preferred method (when in doubt) is to get
a straight-through cable with a null-modem for one of the ends. That way you 
have everything you need either way, and if you don't need it this time the 
null-modem will come in handy later.

Dan Taylor

On Wednesday 21 March 2001 17:18, you wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:26:01PM -0500, duncan wrote:
> >On a related subject, I have been trying to set up a box that i can ssh
> >to, that will then allow me to connect over serial to a boot console on
> >several different machines.
> >
> >I have a RocketPort PCI card from comtrol, and a dumb black box that
> >connects to this card, and has 16 rj-45 ports on it.  I use that, and
> >rj-45 to db-9 converters attatched to the serial port on box1, box2, box3,
> >... box16 (all redhat6.2 and 7.0).
> >
> >My objective is clear, my method is not clear (to me)
>
> get the hardware setup, connect the PC serial ports to the rocket port
> "hub" ssh to the machine with the rocketport card on it and run kermit on
> the tty
>
> you can put commands in files like so
> set line /dev/ttyR0
> set carrier-watch off
> connect
>
> then you can run
> kermit <filename> and get serial access to the box connected to port (1) I
> hate the way they're numbered.
>
> You'll prolly have to configure the kernels on the machines to support
> console over serial port support (under charachter devices), and setup lilo
> to puke the stuff out the serial line.
>
> append="console=ttyS0" in lilo.conf should do it if the cable is connected
> to com1.
>
> append="serial=ttyS0" if you wanna see the lilo prompt,  you will also need
> to adjust the speed on the kermit session to match that of what you set in
> the serial port too. you can do this in BIOS (I think) or in the above
> append line
>
> append="serial=ttyS0,115200"
>
> I can also offer you the pin-outs for the connectors if you need them, and
> you use a normail CAT5 cable between the rocketport hub and the DB-9 ->
> RJ-45 converters.
>
> >I need to be able to ssh to this PC with 16port black box that attatches
> >to RocketPort and use minicom (or something similar) and get a conolse
> >connection to the other boxes when something flakes out.  Buffering of the
> >screen is nice too.
>
> We use this all the time (duh, kernel hacking)
>
> >A while back, i got it setup so i could echo back and forth from one box
> >to the other, and then i was able to direct the login prompt at the
> >console over serail (at the price of not having the console be my
> >monitor) but I wouldnt take anyting for input.
>
> not following you, it should be writeable as well as readable.
>
> >Any ideas?
>
> I have machines with magical, mystical BIOSes that allow me to get to them
> over serial line. (ServerWorks mobo's have this)
>
> >I believe that this shouldnt be difficlut, nor everly complex.  We are
> >trying to implement this over a 5-10K box from clearview or someone like
> >that.
>
> I use a 386 :-)
>
> >I have read the HOW-TO from LDP, and searched around for quite a bit on
> >google and deja (at least when deja was deja and not google)
>
> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100
>
> that's the line I've used to put a getty on it, but it has to be slightly
> slower then I think. Better to just use it for output (especially when you
> get several megs of kernel messages (gfs.o is over 10MB with all the
> debugging stuff turned on)
>
> >I think the core of my problem lays at the linux level, not the device.  I
> >dont feel like i have the system set up to do console over serial port...
>
> Actually your problem is probably pinouts on the cables if you do the stuff
> above and still don't get it to go.

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 22 06:53:09 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

Anyone play with one of those yet? I just got one... I'm going to try and
put Linux on it just for kicks, although I'm pretty sure it won't work.
Plus suse hasn't downloaded yet (damn slow FTP servers).

Anyone know what the latest Linux/SPARC distro is? I couldn't find
anything newer than suse 7.1. I'm sure the Sunblade needs it's own special
tweaks...

-Yaron

--


From jasonj at talkware.net  Thu Mar 22 07:08:36 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3AB9F954.15D779AF@talkware.net>

Newer? Debian is ALWAYS the newest. I have used their sparc distro as well,
it was pretty nice! Made me feel right at home, even for a sun box; I dont
have too much experiance with them. :)

And all you have to download is a couple of floppies for the inital install,
then walk away as the packsges download.





Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> Anyone play with one of those yet? I just got one... I'm going to try and
> put Linux on it just for kicks, although I'm pretty sure it won't work.
> Plus suse hasn't downloaded yet (damn slow FTP servers).
>
> Anyone know what the latest Linux/SPARC distro is? I couldn't find
> anything newer than suse 7.1. I'm sure the Sunblade needs it's own special
> tweaks...
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 22 07:48:26 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <3AB9F954.15D779AF@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220747510.19286-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote:

> And all you have to download is a couple of floppies for the inital install,
> then walk away as the packsges download.

Not when you have a bigass firewall. Link to debian/SPARC ISOs? (:


-Yaron

--


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 07:49:29 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <985201585.3ab8fbb12ae97@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote:

>   Hi,
> 
> Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@umn.edu>:
> 
> > Is it?  I get them mixed up.  The weird part is that Arthur C. Clarke
> > is the authors of one of the letters to the editor in the current issue
> > of Scientific American.
> 
> How many times is the Space Elevator mentioned? (:

More times than made me real comfortable, but I suppose it shouldn't since
I spent an hour and a half watching the deal on Tesla last night on
tpt2. ;)

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 07:52:28 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109684@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220750560.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Now I just need to write something I can use to index and archive all of my
> bills and documents before I put them into the paper shredder since they
> just get lost anyway.  If I shred them, at least I know where they went.  :)

Were it legal, you should burn them to run a boiler and turbine, and power
your computer storing your NSP bills with the energy obtained by burning
it.

(The turbine's legal, it's just the burning that is sticky.  Damn.)

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From atebbe at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 07:53:08 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Last Night's Meeting
Message-ID: <20010322075308.C27768@real-time.com>

Thank you to all who attended last night's meeting, the first mid-month
TCLUG meeting.  We had a pretty good turnout - about 25 people I think - 
and there was quite a bit discussion throughout.  We tried to persuade
Steven to bring an S/390 at a future meeting, but it sounds like that
may be difficult :)

We are planning on having another mid-month meeting next month.  I'll 
send details once it's finalized.

Thank you also to Todd and friends for arranging the room at the U.  It was a
nice one!
 
-- 
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From jasonj at talkware.net  Thu Mar 22 08:06:22 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220747510.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <3ABA06DE.299F5B8B@talkware.net>

ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/mirrors/debian-cd/2.2_rev2/sparc

The iso is older than Suse, I give ya that.  And since I havent used the Sparc
distro in over 8 months I guess I really dont know first hand anymore of its
being actively updated, but I would hope so.




Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote:
>
> > And all you have to download is a couple of floppies for the inital install,
> > then walk away as the packsges download.
>
> Not when you have a bigass firewall. Link to debian/SPARC ISOs? (:
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Thu Mar 22 08:32:18 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <3AB9F954.15D779AF@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:08:36AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon> <3AB9F954.15D779AF@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <20010322083217.A4437@knicknack.net>

Slackware also now support Sparcs and it's relatively recent.  I
haven't used it, but I'm generally impressed with Slackware's quality.

Eric

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:08:36AM -0600, Jason Jorgensen wrote:
> Newer? Debian is ALWAYS the newest. I have used their sparc distro as well,
> it was pretty nice! Made me feel right at home, even for a sun box; I dont
> have too much experiance with them. :)
> 
> And all you have to download is a couple of floppies for the inital install,
> then walk away as the packsges download.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yaron wrote:
> 
> >   Hi,
> >
> > Anyone play with one of those yet? I just got one... I'm going to try and
> > put Linux on it just for kicks, although I'm pretty sure it won't work.
> > Plus suse hasn't downloaded yet (damn slow FTP servers).
> >
> > Anyone know what the latest Linux/SPARC distro is? I couldn't find
> > anything newer than suse 7.1. I'm sure the Sunblade needs it's own special
> > tweaks...
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 09:28:34 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:53:09AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010322092834.C6814@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:53:09AM -0600, Yaron wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>Anyone play with one of those yet? I just got one... I'm going to try and
>put Linux on it just for kicks, although I'm pretty sure it won't work.
>Plus suse hasn't downloaded yet (damn slow FTP servers).

Slack 7.1 is available for Sparc.

>
>Anyone know what the latest Linux/SPARC distro is? I couldn't find
>anything newer than suse 7.1. I'm sure the Sunblade needs it's own special
>tweaks...
>
>-Yaron
>
>--
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?"
Mike Tilstra - Refering to a pop machine containing James Paige beer.
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Thu Mar 22 09:44:38 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103220943260.17434-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

Is there a beer meeting tonight?  My biological clock is telling me that
my geek and alcohol levels are dangerously low.

-Brian


From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Mar 22 09:45:09 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103220943260.17434-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEIICDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

no, it's been rescheduled to next week as we had a mid-month meeting last
night.


~jacque

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:45 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting??
>
>
> Is there a beer meeting tonight?  My biological clock is telling me that
> my geek and alcohol levels are dangerously low.
>
> -Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 10:07:34 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu>:

> > How many times is the Space Elevator mentioned? (:
> More times than made me real comfortable, but I suppose it shouldn't
> since I spent an hour and a half watching the deal on Tesla last night on
> tpt2. ;)

Oh man! I missed an hour and a half thing about Tesla?? Those guys rock! Why's 
tpt2 having a show about 80s Hair Bands? 

-Yaron

--

From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 10:10:05 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <3ABA06DE.299F5B8B@talkware.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220747510.19286-100000@dragon> <3ABA06DE.299F5B8B@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <985277405.3aba23dd94aab@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Jason Jorgensen <jasonj@talkware.net>:

> The iso is older than Suse, I give ya that.  And since I havent used the
> Sparc distro in over 8 months I guess I really dont know first hand anymore 
> of its being actively updated, but I would hope so.

Thing is, the Sunblade is pretty darn new. You need special install CDs to put 
Solaris on it. It has no PS/2-style connectors - all USB. Has a smartcard reader 
for some odd reason and firewire. 

-Yaron

--

From BTimm at Interelate.com  Thu Mar 22 10:37:05 2001
From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18D012AE15A@MSP-MAIL01.IR>

It also Departs from some of the other standards.

IDE Drive / Cdrom
Sparc IIe chip
USB keyboard / mouse

I got mine, but will not be trying anything other thank Solaris until I get
my Certs.

Nice Heavy machine ( 2 or 3 lbs heavier than an ultra 5)

Brad Timm

-----Original Message-----
From: jethro@yaron.org [mailto:jethro@yaron.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:10 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sun Blade


  Hi,

Quoting Jason Jorgensen <jasonj@talkware.net>:

> The iso is older than Suse, I give ya that.  And since I havent used the
> Sparc distro in over 8 months I guess I really dont know first hand
anymore 
> of its being actively updated, but I would hope so.

Thing is, the Sunblade is pretty darn new. You need special install CDs to
put 
Solaris on it. It has no PS/2-style connectors - all USB. Has a smartcard
reader 
for some odd reason and firewire. 

-Yaron

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tclug-list mailing list
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 11:13:31 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting??
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEIICDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:45:09AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103220943260.17434-100000@antares.cloudnet.com> <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMOEIICDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010322111331.C7504@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:45:09AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
>no, it's been rescheduled to next week as we had a mid-month meeting last
>night.

Damn I'll be out of town (I think)
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?"
Mike Tilstra - Refering to a pop machine containing James Paige beer.
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From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 11:21:19 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18D012AE15A@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18D012AE15A@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
Message-ID: <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Brad Timm <BTimm@interelate.com>:

> It also Departs from some of the other standards.
> 
> IDE Drive / Cdrom

That's not new. Ultra 5/10 are like that... I wouldn't mind the IDE cdron as 
much if Sun didn't use the absolute CHEAPEST one. 

> USB keyboard / mouse

Yeah, and no possibility for others, so you need a new KVM. 

What annoys me is, with Suns you could always plug the mouse into the keyboard, 
UNTIL they went USB! Now you can't anymore.

> I got mine, but will not be trying anything other thank Solaris until I
> get my Certs.

I've got some certs in the car. I like smints better.

> Nice Heavy machine ( 2 or 3 lbs heavier than an ultra 5)

I'm thinking of putting a blue LED behind the Sun logo on the front - that 
thing SHOULD be glowing!

-Yaron

--

From atebbe at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 11:39:44 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LCD/SVGA Projector to borrow
Message-ID: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>

Does anyone know of an LCD/SVGA video projector TCLUG could borrow both 
for the mid-month meetings and for the TCLUG talk at Strictly Business in
May?

Thanks.
-- 
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Real Time Enterprises, Inc.	                  Fax: 952.943.8500
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 22 12:11:15 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18D012AE15A@MSP-MAIL01.IR> <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon>
Message-ID: <3ABA4043.6F588C2E@ltiflex.com>

> > Nice Heavy machine ( 2 or 3 lbs heavier than an ultra 5)
> 
> I'm thinking of putting a blue LED behind the Sun logo on the front - that
> thing SHOULD be glowing!

Obsessed, obsessed, obsessed...what is it with you and blue LEDs? :) 

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 12:13:52 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221210461.12433-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote:
> > It also Departs from some of the other standards.
> >
> > IDE Drive / Cdrom
>
> That's not new. Ultra 5/10 are like that... I wouldn't mind the IDE cdron as
> much if Sun didn't use the absolute CHEAPEST one.
>
> > USB keyboard / mouse
>
> Yeah, and no possibility for others, so you need a new KVM.

...or buy USB/PS2 adapters.  :)

> What annoys me is, with Suns you could always plug the mouse into the keyboard,
> UNTIL they went USB! Now you can't anymore.
>
> > I got mine, but will not be trying anything other thank Solaris until I
> > get my Certs.
>
> I've got some certs in the car. I like smints better.
>
> > Nice Heavy machine ( 2 or 3 lbs heavier than an ultra 5)
>
> I'm thinking of putting a blue LED behind the Sun logo on the front - that
> thing SHOULD be glowing!
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
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> tclug-list mailing list
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Mar 22 12:13:39 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon>
Message-ID: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <jethro@yaron.org>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt


>   Hi,
>
> Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu>:
>
> > > How many times is the Space Elevator mentioned? (:
> > More times than made me real comfortable, but I suppose it shouldn't
> > since I spent an hour and a half watching the deal on Tesla last night
on
> > tpt2. ;)
>
> Oh man! I missed an hour and a half thing about Tesla?? Those guys rock!
Why's
> tpt2 having a show about 80s Hair Bands?
>
> -Yaron
>

Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).  Anyway, perhaps it
wasn't the rockband, but their namesake, Mr Tesla himself, the radio
pioneer.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net



From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 22 12:14:23 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109690@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> I'm thinking of putting a blue LED behind the Sun logo on the 
> front - that 
> thing SHOULD be glowing!

Blue LEDS make otherwise crappy hardware into state of the art wonders of
technology.  I replaced all of the LEDS in my cellphone with blue ones
(nokia 8260) and it looks sweet.  They are barely bigger than a grain of
sand and they're surface mount, it took forever...  :)

Jay


From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 12:42:44 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010321155200.B1355@cesium.sistina.com>; from thudak@sistina.com on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:52:00PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com> <20010321155200.B1355@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <20010322124244.A1675@real-time.com>

> This is standard console over serial, for which minicom will not help you as
> there isn't a way (at least not that I know of) to make it act like a dumb
> terminal. 

it's doable. I never use anything but minicom for a serial console. 
you just have to go through the configuration and turn off flow control,
then remove all the init strings that it would otherwise send when
connecting.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar 22 12:57:59 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FAI (Fully Automatic Install) for Debian
Message-ID: <20010322125759.N421@wookimus.net>

Just found a neat package for Debian.  This might be especially
helpful for people who manage a large number of machines such as
classrooms, beowulf clusters, or businesses:

    http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>                 | a.k.a. ^chewie
http://www.wookimus.net/                            | s.k.a. gunnarr
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From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 13:10:49 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <3ABA4043.6F588C2E@ltiflex.com>
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18D012AE15A@MSP-MAIL01.IR> <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon> <3ABA4043.6F588C2E@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <985288249.3aba4e39d6aaa@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Andy Zbikowski <andyzb@ltiflex.com>:

> Obsessed, obsessed, obsessed...what is it with you and blue LEDs? :) 

You're absolutely right.

It should be purple.

(:

-Yaron

--

From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 13:12:38 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221210461.12433-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221210461.12433-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <985288358.3aba4ea6679be@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>:

> > > USB keyboard / mouse
> > Yeah, and no possibility for others, so you need a new KVM.
> ...or buy USB/PS2 adapters.  :)

Except you can't plug PS/2 into a Sun box. Even if this one HAD the usual Sun 
PS/2 style connectors. Which it doesn't (:

-Yaron

--

From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar 22 14:05:05 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <3AB77271.1684E24B@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:08:33AM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AB77271.1684E24B@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010322140505.P421@wookimus.net>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:08:33AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> You didn't mention a LDA (Local Delivery Agent, could also be refered to as
> a MDA. Most likely this is procmail on your linux system.) See the Mail
> Administrator HOWTO to figure out how e-mail works. 
> ( http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO-3.html,
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html )

I didn't huh?  Hmm...  Let's look back through the crystal ball and
see what the ball can see...

    Firstly, you need to retrieve your email from other sources
    (POP or IMAP) and deliver it to your local machine.
    fetchmail(1) is the best tool for this -- bar none.  Used in
    combination with procmail(1) as your local delivery agent
    (LDA), it makes a powerful combination for filtering
    incoming mail, blocking spam, and other useful things.
            
            bash# apt-get install fetchmail procmail

Looks like I mentioned one. ;-p

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>                 | a.k.a. ^chewie
http://www.wookimus.net/                            | s.k.a. gunnarr
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar 22 14:18:59 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] autofs and smbfs
In-Reply-To: <3AAE7573.16BE0637@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 01:30:59PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131244330.18957-100000@chef> <3AAE7573.16BE0637@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010322141859.R421@wookimus.net>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 01:30:59PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> Mike looks like:
> 
> /etc/auto.master:
> # $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $
> # Sample auto.master file
> # Format of this file:
> # mountpoint map options
> # For details of the format look at autofs(8).
> #/var/autofs/misc       /etc/auto.misc
> /mnt/domain            /etc/auto.domain
> 
> /etc/auto.domain
> username         
> -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=pass,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=600,dmask=700,workgroup=domain,rw   
> ://fileserver/username
> 
> So to get to my Windows Home directory, cd /mnt/domain/username. Whee. Only
> problem is that it throws my password into syslog. That's tweakable but I'm
> lazy...

Um.  Remove the 'password=pass' option.  Place your password in a 0700
permission file in /etc.  Call it something like /etc/smbmnt-password.
In /etc/init.d/autofs add this line:

    if [ -f /etc/smbmnt-passwd ] ; then
        SMBPASSWD=`cat /etc/smbmnt-passwd`
        export SMBPASSWD
    fi

There are other env variables you can use.  Look at the manpages for
smbclient(8) for more info.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>                 | a.k.a. ^chewie
http://www.wookimus.net/                            | s.k.a. gunnarr
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 15:26:58 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LCD/SVGA Projector to borrow
In-Reply-To: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0600
References: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010322152658.B8462@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
>Does anyone know of an LCD/SVGA video projector TCLUG could borrow both 
>for the mid-month meetings and for the TCLUG talk at Strictly Business in
>May?

I can bring mine to the strictly business talk for sure and possibly some of
the monthly meetings as well, not sure if it's powerful enough though. We've
used it for some talks but mostly in close proximity.

>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Amy Tanner                                      Voice: 952.943.8700
>Real Time Enterprises, Inc.	                  Fax: 952.943.8500
>amy@real-time.com		    	   http://www.real-time.com
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>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?"
Mike Tilstra - Refering to a pop machine containing James Paige beer.
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Thu Mar 22 14:14:42 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010322124244.A1675@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103221410490.29998-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:

> > This is standard console over serial, for which minicom will not help you as
> > there isn't a way (at least not that I know of) to make it act like a dumb
> > terminal. 
> 
> it's doable. I never use anything but minicom for a serial console. 
> you just have to go through the configuration and turn off flow control,
> then remove all the init strings that it would otherwise send when
> connecting.

There's a distro called SerialLinux that "takes a perfectly good laptop
and turns it into a completely useless dumb terminal".  It's just a kernel
that boots into minicom.  Defaults to TTYS0 9600-8-N-1.  Works great for
Cisco work, I assume it works well for other console work also.  Don't
most console ports run at 9600?  Anyway, you can find it on freshmeat,
fits on a floppy.

-Brian


From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar 22 14:14:38 2001
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103131809220.26590-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010322141438.Q421@wookimus.net>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:10:05PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> Ok, where the heck do I geet a list of available debian packages?
> There's no qt include files and I have NO idea where to get them.

For the full list w/one line descriptions based on the distribution
you're pointing to (potato, woody, unstable):

    bash$ # match everything \
    > apt-cache search '.*'

    bash$ # match qt \
    > apt-cache search 'qt'

Read the manpages for apt, apt-cache, apt-get, and sources.list

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 11:43:31 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tunneling mysql through firewall
Message-ID: <20010322114331.A7647@vm-lvm>

Once again I'm stuck. Maybe you guys could help me debug.

3 boxen in question

webserver 208.210.145.139

firewall 208.210.145.138 (is external IP)
	 10.0.1.11       (internal IP) running ipchains / ipmasq

database server 10.0.1.10 

I wanna tunnel database traffic requests from my webserver through the
firewall to a safe database server and would like it to be encrypted.

on webserver I run 
stunnel -c -d 127.0.0.1:3306 -r 208.210.145.138:3306

on firewall I run
stunnel -d 208.210.145.138:3306 -r 127.0.0.1:3306
I allow connections to 208.210.145.138 from 208.210.145.139 on port 3306 with
ipchains and then
ipmasqadm portfw from 127.0.0.1:3306 to 10.0.1.10:3306

I should then be able to run 
mysql -h 127.0.0.1 --port=3307 
on my webserver and talk straight through the tunnel to my database server.
This is not the case.

I see error messages on the webserver and on the firewall but nothing ever
makes it to the database server.

Personally I though that I should be able to stunnel bewtween the database and
webserver with ipmasqadm portfw but this won't work either.

According to the stunnel homepage i should also be able to put the client
stunnel on the internal database server and run daemon mode stunnel on the
webserver and connect backwards through it with no firewall configuration at
all.... I can't make this work either. Anyone have any other ideas I might try
or perhaps a reason why this won't work?


-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.3951
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)

"I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?"
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From jeffr at odeon.net  Thu Mar 22 11:54:30 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] question about xinetd
In-Reply-To: <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103221145120.3711-100000@odeon.net>

Heya folks,

I'm wonding if anyone can point me to a good howto document on xinetd?

The documentation on the xinetd.org website is a bit lacking (it mentions
an included utility for converting an inetd.conf file to the format used
by xinetd, but doesn't give the name of this utility, where to find it, or
how to use it.  The man pages for xinetd and xinetd.conf don't mention it
at all.

Ultimately, I've got the following in inetd format:

imap    stream  tcp     nowait  cyrus   /usr/cyrus/bin/imapd    imapd
pop3    stream  tcp     nowait  cyrus   /usr/cyrus/bin/pop3d    pop3d

and I need them in xinetd format.

So far I've got something this:

# default: on
# description: The Cyrus-IMAP server
service imap 
{
        socket_type             = stream
        protocol                = tcp
        wait                    = no  
        user                    = cyrus
        server                  = /usr/cyrus/bin/imapd
        disable                 = no 
}

and:

# default: on
# description: The Cyrus-IMAP server
service pop3
{
        socket_type             = stream
        protocol                = tcp
        wait                    = no  
        user                    = cyrus
        server                  = /usr/cyrus/bin/pop3d
        disable                 = no 
}


It's the end of the inetd lines that have got me confused:

imap    stream  tcp     nowait  cyrus   /usr/cyrus/bin/imapd    imapd
								^^^^^
pop3    stream  tcp     nowait  cyrus   /usr/cyrus/bin/pop3d    pop3d
								^^^^^

What's the attribute name that I would use for this last part?  Anyway, a
pointer to a more complete faq or howto on the supject would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Jeff


From thudak at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 13:05:59 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LCD/SVGA Projector to borrow
In-Reply-To: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0600
References: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010322130559.E6728@cesium.sistina.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
>Does anyone know of an LCD/SVGA video projector TCLUG could borrow both 
>for the mid-month meetings and for the TCLUG talk at Strictly Business in
>May?
Yes, I will ask, but afaik it'll be ok for me or Ben to bring the projector to
meetings, we just have to make sure we actually go... ;-)
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Amy Tanner                                      Voice: 952.943.8700
>Real Time Enterprises, Inc.	                  Fax: 952.943.8500
>amy@real-time.com		    	   http://www.real-time.com
>GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20  0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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-- 
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Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 22 13:07:25 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109692@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> ...or buy USB/PS2 adapters.  :)

I don't think they make them that way...  only ps2->usb.  Ever tried using
one with a KVM though? They don't work with most of them, no idea why.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:14 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
> 
> 
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote:
> > > It also Departs from some of the other standards.
> > >
> > > IDE Drive / Cdrom
> >
> > That's not new. Ultra 5/10 are like that... I wouldn't mind 
> the IDE cdron as
> > much if Sun didn't use the absolute CHEAPEST one.
> >
> > > USB keyboard / mouse
> >
> > Yeah, and no possibility for others, so you need a new KVM.
> 
> ...or buy USB/PS2 adapters.  :)
> 
> > What annoys me is, with Suns you could always plug the 
> mouse into the keyboard,
> > UNTIL they went USB! Now you can't anymore.
> >
> > > I got mine, but will not be trying anything other thank 
> Solaris until I
> > > get my Certs.
> >
> > I've got some certs in the car. I like smints better.
> >
> > > Nice Heavy machine ( 2 or 3 lbs heavier than an ultra 5)
> >
> > I'm thinking of putting a blue LED behind the Sun logo on 
> the front - that
> > thing SHOULD be glowing!
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From jethro at yaron.org  Thu Mar 22 13:14:08 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon> <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <985288448.3aba4f0055864@dragon>

  Hello,

Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>:

> Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).  Anyway, perhaps
> it wasn't the rockband, but their namesake, Mr Tesla himself, the radio
> pioneer.

On tpt2 it bloody well better have been the original Tesla. I was joking about 
the band. They didn't rock.

TPT2 is Twin Cities Public Television, aka PBS and KTCA. Why they changed the 
name I don't know.

-Yaron

--

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 13:20:02 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103221317250.11607-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

> >
> > Oh man! I missed an hour and a half thing about Tesla?? Those guys rock!
> Why's
> > tpt2 having a show about 80s Hair Bands?
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> 
> Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).  Anyway, perhaps it
> wasn't the rockband, but their namesake, Mr Tesla himself, the radio
> pioneer.

Yes, Channel 2.  I'm amused whether Yaron's comment was laced with sarcasm
or not. <g>

Actually, (and I hope this is as far off topic as I get) I knew a guy who
lived in Colorado Springs, and it turns out his house had been built with
timbers from Tesla's lab.  The kicker is that he lived on St. Elmo's Dr.

And I thought living on Lois Lane was goofy.

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 13:24:09 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109690@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:14:23PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109690@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010322132409.E28626@acm.cs.umn.edu>

> Blue LEDS make otherwise crappy hardware into state of the art wonders of
> technology.  I replaced all of the LEDS in my cellphone with blue ones
> (nokia 8260) and it looks sweet.  They are barely bigger than a grain of
> sand and they're surface mount, it took forever...  :)
> 

That's genius!  You must put up a picture :)

Gabe
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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Mar 22 13:24:41 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:13:39PM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon> <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010322132441.A23249@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:13:39PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Not sure what tpt2 is

I'm fairly sure I saw it expanded once as "Twincities Public Television".
The 2 seems to be superfluous, kinda like referring to the movie
"Independence Day" as "ID4".

> (why not just spell it out ?).

Because nonsensical acronyms are hip and cool?

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    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Mar 23 20:50:44 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <985288448.3aba4f0055864@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103232047090.18201-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote:

>   Hello,
> 
> Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>:
> 
> > Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).  Anyway, perhaps
> > it wasn't the rockband, but their namesake, Mr Tesla himself, the radio
> > pioneer.
> 
> On tpt2 it bloody well better have been the original Tesla. I was joking about 
> the band. They didn't rock.


     Sure they did! IMHO they had a few really good songs...





> 
> TPT2 is Twin Cities Public Television, aka PBS and KTCA. Why they changed the 
> name I don't know.

    Do you know what the 2 represents?

> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

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   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."





From jwanderson at uswest.net  Fri Mar 23 20:48:37 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <20010322132441.A23249@sherohman.org>
References: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:13:39PM -0600
Message-ID: <200103240248.f2O2mdl06830@sprite.real-time.com>

On 22 Mar 01, at 13:24, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:13:39PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > Not sure what tpt2 is
> 
> I'm fairly sure I saw it expanded once as "Twincities Public Television".
> The 2 seems to be superfluous, kinda like referring to the movie
> "Independence Day" as "ID4".
> 
>
Because there is also tpt17 (KTCI). tpt2 is KTCA.

Jay

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar 23 21:18:02 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: <200103240248.f2O2mdl06830@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232112080.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Quick question:

There's a really simple very utile program (worklog) that I'd like to
port to a M$ .exe file.  Is this possible with just the GNU gcc compiler
assembler and linker, or do I need to find some other tools?

This really ought to be a piece of cake -- it's not that far removed from
a "Hello, World." program.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil M

(P.S.:  I suspect that the tpt2 thing is because we're going to get new
station identifiers when the boondoggle with digital TV replacing analog
is complete (originally set for 2002, but I think it's already been moved
back.  I'll check with the gent I know on the standards committee if we
need to avoid an OT discussion.) <wink>


-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar 23 21:18:53 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103232047090.18201-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232118250.3458-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

> > TPT2 is Twin Cities Public Television, aka PBS and KTCA. Why they changed the
> > name I don't know.
>     Do you know what the 2 represents?

Channel 2?


-Yaron

--


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 22 14:55:01 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:Mail question
In-Reply-To: <20010322140505.P421@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:05:05PM -0600
References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net> <20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AB77271.1684E24B@ltiflex.com> <20010322140505.P421@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20010322145501.N8892@ringworld.org>

* Chad C. Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net> [010322 14:49]:
> I didn't huh?  Hmm...  Let's look back through the crystal ball and
> see what the ball can see...

References: <3AB7666E.AB1921C0@mninter.net>
<20010320083754.B17557@sorry.cs.umn.edu>                    

NEXT TIME:

Check what the message was refrencing to, or use a threaded mail reader.
It looks pretty silly to flame someone talking to someone else. :)


-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 15:14:53 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <985288358.3aba4ea6679be@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221514360.24705-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote:
> Except you can't plug PS/2 into a Sun box. Even if this one HAD the usual Sun
> PS/2 style connectors. Which it doesn't (:

But PS2->USB should work fine, because as far as the Sun box knows, it's
USB.. right?

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 15:15:18 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109690@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221515080.24705-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Blue LEDS make otherwise crappy hardware into state of the art wonders of
> technology.  I replaced all of the LEDS in my cellphone with blue ones
> (nokia 8260) and it looks sweet.  They are barely bigger than a grain of
> sand and they're surface mount, it took forever...  :)

oooooooohhh.. will you do mine too?? :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 22 15:36:42 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] autofs and smbfs
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103131244330.18957-100000@chef> <3AAE7573.16BE0637@ltiflex.com> <20010322141859.R421@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <3ABA706A.833B3FFD@ltiflex.com>

-fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=pass,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=600,dmask=700,workgroup=domain,rw
> > ://fileserver/username
> >
> > So to get to my Windows Home directory, cd /mnt/domain/username. Whee. Only
> > problem is that it throws my password into syslog. That's tweakable but I'm
> > lazy...
> 
> Um.  Remove the 'password=pass' option.  Place your password in a 0700
> permission file in /etc.  Call it something like /etc/smbmnt-password.
> In /etc/init.d/autofs add this line:
> 
>     if [ -f /etc/smbmnt-passwd ] ; then
>         SMBPASSWD=`cat /etc/smbmnt-passwd`
>         export SMBPASSWD
>     fi
> 
> There are other env variables you can use.  Look at the manpages for
> smbclient(8) for more info.

That would be great except mount.smbfs/smbmount doesn't pick up on that,
only smbclient does. (I've tested it and that seems to be the case, smbmount
documentation doesn't make any reference to enviorment variables.) 

For smbclient it does work, but the variables are USER and PASSWD according
to the documentation. According to the man pages, those are the only two
enviorment variables.

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From fertch at mninter.net  Thu Mar 22 14:40:01 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109690@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3ABA6321.979BC0EC@mninter.net>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:

> Blue LEDS make otherwise crappy hardware into state of the art wonders of
> technology.  I replaced all of the LEDS in my cellphone with blue ones
> (nokia 8260) and it looks sweet.  They are barely bigger than a grain of
> sand and they're surface mount, it took forever...  :)
>
> Jay

What kind of life does one live to have the time to do this????


From thudak at sistina.com  Thu Mar 22 16:01:38 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010322124244.A1675@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:42:44PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com> <20010321155200.B1355@cesium.sistina.com> <20010322124244.A1675@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010322160138.C28127@sistina.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:42:44PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
>it's doable. I never use anything but minicom for a serial console. 
>you just have to go through the configuration and turn off flow control,
>then remove all the init strings that it would otherwise send when
>connecting.
or put
-
set line /dev/blah
set baud foo
set carrier-watch off
connect
-
with the settings you want into a file, and run kermit <file>
or make 1 file for anything you want to connect to and alias them all to
different things, ie
alias ttyS1 = kermit ttys1
where ttys1 is the config using /dev/ttyS1 (umm duh... :-)

I've tried to use minicom for many things, and find it's not quite supposed to
but can... whereas kermit was designed as a "shell" for serial/network access,
which makes it perfect for serial-console stuff and much much more.. (It can
be used as a local shell like bash as well.)
Thanks,
--
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Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
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From ksm at dogbrain.com  Fri Mar 23 21:26:14 2001
From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] question about xinetd
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103221145120.3711-100000@odeon.net>; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:54:30AM -0600
References: <985281679.3aba348fd704b@dragon> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103221145120.3711-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <20010323212614.A21557@dogbrain.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:54:30AM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote:
> 
> Heya folks,
> 
> I'm wonding if anyone can point me to a good howto document on xinetd?

http://synack.net/xinetd/

http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November2000/article175.shtml

http://www.macsecurity.org/resources/xinetd/tutorial.shtml


> The documentation on the xinetd.org website is a bit lacking (it mentions
> an included utility for converting an inetd.conf file to the format used
> by xinetd, but doesn't give the name of this utility, where to find it, or
> how to use it.  The man pages for xinetd and xinetd.conf don't mention it
> at all.

The utility is called itox

Regards

					- Karl


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar 23 21:32:52 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232112080.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232132090.3458-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> This really ought to be a piece of cake -- it's not that far removed from
> a "Hello, World." program.
>
> Any insight would be appreciated.

Install cygwin on Windows (www.cygwin.com), that'll give you gcc under
Windows.


-Yaron

--


From andy at theasis.com  Thu Mar 22 16:20:58 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <985288358.3aba4ea6679be@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103221617460.26732-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Quoting Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>:
> 
> > > > USB keyboard / mouse
> > > Yeah, and no possibility for others, so you need a new KVM.
> > ...or buy USB/PS2 adapters.  :)
> 
> Except you can't plug PS/2 into a Sun box. Even if this one HAD the usual Sun 
> PS/2 style connectors. Which it doesn't (:
> 
> -Yaron

I think the idea was, instead of:
	Blade]USB------KB/Mouse

You could do:
	Blade]USB------- [USB - PS/2]KVM[PS/2 --------KB/Mouse

i.e., plug your USB-only Blade into a KVM with the help of an adapter, and
use the regular PS/2 KB and Mouse into the KVM. 

It now occurs to me to wonder what kind of KB adapter my Ultra5 has and
whether it will work with my KVMs. Hmm....

Andy

> 
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> 


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar 23 22:01:16 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232112080.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232159270.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> Quick question:
> 
> There's a really simple very utile program (worklog) that I'd like to
> port to a M$ .exe file.

Forgot to mention -- I'm not sleeping with the enemy.  It's for my wife to
take to work (we hope.)  At least running Open Source on M$ is a start...

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Mar 23 22:05:36 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232132090.3458-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232201560.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Yaron wrote:

> Install cygwin on Windows (www.cygwin.com), that'll give you gcc under
> Windows.

Thanks.  But before I do, is there a way to do it without actually having
to touch Windows myself?? <g>

Phil

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar 23 22:10:27 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103221514360.24705-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232209480.12140-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Nate Carlson wrote:

> But PS2->USB should work fine, because as far as the Sun box knows, it's
> USB.. right?

How about this:

I'm a snob now. I got a nice USB mouse and nice USB keyboard so I don't
want to plug 'em in as PS/2. (:

-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar 23 22:12:58 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232211210.12140-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

Anyone here get a Palmpilot going under Linux with USB? I compiled the
kernel with USB serial support, made /dev/ttyUSB0, but jpilot says

	pi_bind: No such device

??


-Yaron

--


From cmarsh42 at home.com  Fri Mar 23 22:43:23 2001
From: cmarsh42 at home.com (cmarsh)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001801c0b41c$f592daa0$39754618@ek.shawcable.net>

hello 




  
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Mar 23 22:47:41 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: Philip C Mendelsohn's message of "Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:01:16 -0600 (CST)"
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103232159270.554-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <m3zoeb7oya.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> > Quick question:
> > 
> > There's a really simple very utile program (worklog) that I'd like to
> > port to a M$ .exe file.
> 
> Forgot to mention -- I'm not sleeping with the enemy.  It's for my wife to
> take to work (we hope.)  At least running Open Source on M$ is a start...

Note that if you compile with cygwin, you need to run with cygwin as well.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Mar 23 22:49:32 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB
In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:12:58 -0600 (CST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232211210.12140-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <m3vgoz7ov7.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> writes:

>   Hi,
> 
> Anyone here get a Palmpilot going under Linux with USB? I compiled the
> kernel with USB serial support, made /dev/ttyUSB0, but jpilot says
> 
> 	pi_bind: No such device
> 

Yeah, the catch is you need to start the hotsync on the palm, then tell jpilot
to sync, otherwise it can't bind to the device.  Also mine shows up on
/dev/ttyUSB1 not 0.  Not sure how they're numbered though.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 17:27:57 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon>
	<007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010322172757.5438ffec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).

Heh, KTCA/KTCI's way of confusing everyone.  Though I s'pose it'll make
things easier when there are 10 PBS `channels' due to HDTV multicasting...

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From jack at jacku.com  Thu Mar 22 17:39:58 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Origin of excerpt
In-Reply-To: <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103220748350.28535-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <985277254.3aba23463bed8@dragon> <007301c0b2fb$d2932d10$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <01032217395800.01216@geezer>

On Thursday 22 March 2001 12:13, you wrote:
<snip>
>
> Not sure what tpt2 is (why not just spell it out ?).  Anyway, perhaps it
> wasn't the rockband, but their namesake, Mr Tesla himself, the radio
> pioneer.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
>
>

tpt2 = Twin Cities Public Television Channel 2 (There is also tpt17)

Personally when I think of Tesla I think of AC motors and flourescent lights, 
not radio.

jack


From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar 23 23:33:34 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
Message-ID: <sabbdd63.007@mdh-gw1>

I think you only need to have the cygwin1.dll available (you could probably put it in the same directory as the executable you have compiled). This is located in \cygwin\bin in a typical install, and it is about 650KB. This info applies to the newsest version (1.0?) of cygwin, the info for B20/B21 is similar but distinct.

>>> jpschewe@mtu.net 03/23/01 10:47PM >>>
Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> > Quick question:
> > 
> > There's a really simple very utile program (worklog) that I'd like to
> > port to a M$ .exe file.
> 
> Forgot to mention -- I'm not sleeping with the enemy.  It's for my wife to
> take to work (we hope.)  At least running Open Source on M$ is a start...

Note that if you compile with cygwin, you need to run with cygwin as well.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net 
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Mar 23 23:39:01 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cross compiling
In-Reply-To: <m3zoeb7oya.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232338330.488-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On 23 Mar 2001, Jon Schewe wrote:

> Note that if you compile with cygwin, you need to run with cygwin as well.

Don't you only need cygwin.dll?


-Yaron

--


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 22 18:35:23 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LCD/SVGA Projector to borrow
In-Reply-To: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>
References: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010322183523.42e57e96.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Amy Tanner <atebbe@real-time.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of an LCD/SVGA video projector TCLUG could borrow both 
> for the mid-month meetings and for the TCLUG talk at Strictly Business
> in May?

Well, if the mid-month meetings are held on-campus, the trick would be to
get a room with a projector..

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar 24 00:48:34 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096AE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> That's genius!  You must put up a picture :)

http://www.signal15.com/pix/index.php?mode=album&album=nokia&dispsize=800

The left part of the keypad is out because I couldn't find a soldering iron
smaller than 15 watts and I burned off one of the traces.  I read that if if
one led didn't work, the whole group of 6 wouldn't work so I didn't put on
the 2 I had left.  Maybe someday I'll rip it apart again and put in the last
2.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabe Turner [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:24 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
> 
> 
> > Blue LEDS make otherwise crappy hardware into state of the 
> art wonders of
> > technology.  I replaced all of the LEDS in my cellphone 
> with blue ones
> > (nokia 8260) and it looks sweet.  They are barely bigger 
> than a grain of
> > sand and they're surface mount, it took forever...  :)
> > 
> 
> That's genius!  You must put up a picture :)
> 
> Gabe
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------
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> UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for 
> Computing Machinery
> U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University 
> of Minnesohta
> Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       
> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu
> 
> "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, 
> five-toed yak."
> 					- Marlin Hoek (Ren) in 
> "Nature Show"
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 22:25:50 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103222210240.17884-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Well, Onvoy is dropping my service with Covad (384k SDSL w/ 16-ip subnet
for $70/mo).. and, I signed up with InternetConnect and Northpoint, and
now Northpoint announces that they are not accepting new customers, and
new orders are now on hold (www.northpoint.net if you're curious.) So,
I'm screwed. The best I can do is get 128 up / 684 down ADSL through
Covad, but I want more than 128k upstream bandwidth. (No, I can't get
Qworst DSL)

So, now, I'm kind of stuck. I'm running my personal web sites, e-mail, etc
off my home connection, and I want to keep it that way. I can get 684/128
for $70/mo or so, but that's more than I want to pay for that bandwidth.

This lead me into looking at cable modems. I'm in the Bloomington area. As
far as I can tell, I can get service from Road Runner, and that's it. They
don't offer Static IP's, so I'd rather not do that.

Did I miss anything here? Are there any other alternatives for broadband
access that I missed?

Worse comes to worse, I'll bond a couple ISDN lines together, or get frame
relay installed. But both of those get a little spendy..

Anyone? Help?


-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar 22 13:47:37 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB (more issues)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103232211210.12140-100000@dragon> <m3vgoz7ov7.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <3ABA56D9.D1223535@qwest.net>

Hi,

> >       pi_bind: No such device
> >
>
> Yeah, the catch is you need to start the hotsync on the palm, then tell jpilot
> to sync, otherwise it can't bind to the device.  Also mine shows up on
> /dev/ttyUSB1 not 0.  Not sure how they're numbered though.

Yes, the useful Handspring USB device shows up at ttyUSB1 - ttyUSB0 is reserved
for future use..

But I am having a problem of my own; I can no longer install applications or
databases to my Visor, and it started happening after I upgraded to 2.4.2. Can
anyone confirm / deny that the Visor USB driver works in 2.4.2? I have a 2.2.18
machine that seems to still be working fine. I also upgraded to pilot-link 0.94
on both machines, but his doesn't seem to be an issue for the machine with
2.2.18.

Thanks, and good luck.

Bill


From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Fri Mar 23 08:39:21 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
Message-ID: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a database-driven web 
application that uses an MSAccess database that we're already using for 
other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access database on a Linux 
server and have it accessable from the web and from our office network?

Thanks-
Heather

From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net  Sat Mar 24 08:03:23 2001
From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103222210240.17884-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <000401c0b46b$36e2afa0$0239a8c0@Sakura>

RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
services like www.dyndns.org

Joseph Key
keyj001@worldnet.att.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> Well, Onvoy is dropping my service with Covad (384k SDSL w/ 16-ip subnet
> for $70/mo).. and, I signed up with InternetConnect and Northpoint, and
> now Northpoint announces that they are not accepting new customers, and
> new orders are now on hold (www.northpoint.net if you're curious.) So,
> I'm screwed. The best I can do is get 128 up / 684 down ADSL through
> Covad, but I want more than 128k upstream bandwidth. (No, I can't get
> Qworst DSL)
>
> So, now, I'm kind of stuck. I'm running my personal web sites, e-mail, etc
> off my home connection, and I want to keep it that way. I can get 684/128
> for $70/mo or so, but that's more than I want to pay for that bandwidth.
>
> This lead me into looking at cable modems. I'm in the Bloomington area. As
> far as I can tell, I can get service from Road Runner, and that's it. They
> don't offer Static IP's, so I'd rather not do that.
>
> Did I miss anything here? Are there any other alternatives for broadband
> access that I missed?
>
> Worse comes to worse, I'll bond a couple ISDN lines together, or get frame
> relay installed. But both of those get a little spendy..
>
> Anyone? Help?
>
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From chrome at real-time.com  Sat Mar 24 08:07:14 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] terminal through serial port?
In-Reply-To: <20010322160138.C28127@sistina.com>; from thudak@sistina.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:01:38PM -0600
References: <01032113015201.01406@dedannshae.ssbs.com> <20010321155200.B1355@cesium.sistina.com> <20010322124244.A1675@real-time.com> <20010322160138.C28127@sistina.com>
Message-ID: <20010324080714.A22234@real-time.com>

> I've tried to use minicom for many things, and find it's not quite supposed to
> but can... whereas kermit was designed as a "shell" for serial/network access,
> which makes it perfect for serial-console stuff and much much more.. (It can
> be used as a local shell like bash as well.)

well, to each their own. :) 

I admit I despise kermit because I remember trying to use it to move files
from a VMS machine to a terminal running DOS. Always managed to misspell
'recieve' on the first try. :)

I savor my hatreds, even (especially?) if they aren't entirely reasonable.
:)

I'll give it a try sometime. :)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 22 22:25:50 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103222210240.17884-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Well, Onvoy is dropping my service with Covad (384k SDSL w/ 16-ip subnet
for $70/mo).. and, I signed up with InternetConnect and Northpoint, and
now Northpoint announces that they are not accepting new customers, and
new orders are now on hold (www.northpoint.net if you're curious.) So,
I'm screwed. The best I can do is get 128 up / 684 down ADSL through
Covad, but I want more than 128k upstream bandwidth. (No, I can't get
Qworst DSL)

So, now, I'm kind of stuck. I'm running my personal web sites, e-mail, etc
off my home connection, and I want to keep it that way. I can get 684/128
for $70/mo or so, but that's more than I want to pay for that bandwidth.

This lead me into looking at cable modems. I'm in the Bloomington area. As
far as I can tell, I can get service from Road Runner, and that's it. They
don't offer Static IP's, so I'd rather not do that.

Did I miss anything here? Are there any other alternatives for broadband
access that I missed?

Worse comes to worse, I'll bond a couple ISDN lines together, or get frame
relay installed. But both of those get a little spendy..

Anyone? Help?


-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500




From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Mar 23 10:17:37 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103231017270.23892-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Since this isn't going through..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:25:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>
To: Twin Cities Linux User Group <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Subject: The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)

Well, Onvoy is dropping my service with Covad (384k SDSL w/ 16-ip subnet
for $70/mo).. and, I signed up with InternetConnect and Northpoint, and
now Northpoint announces that they are not accepting new customers, and
new orders are now on hold (www.northpoint.net if you're curious.) So,
I'm screwed. The best I can do is get 128 up / 684 down ADSL through
Covad, but I want more than 128k upstream bandwidth. (No, I can't get
Qworst DSL)

So, now, I'm kind of stuck. I'm running my personal web sites, e-mail, etc
off my home connection, and I want to keep it that way. I can get 684/128
for $70/mo or so, but that's more than I want to pay for that bandwidth.

This lead me into looking at cable modems. I'm in the Bloomington area. As
far as I can tell, I can get service from Road Runner, and that's it. They
don't offer Static IP's, so I'd rather not do that.

Did I miss anything here? Are there any other alternatives for broadband
access that I missed?

Worse comes to worse, I'll bond a couple ISDN lines together, or get frame
relay installed. But both of those get a little spendy..

Anyone? Help?


-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500




From zjlcd at public.cc.jl.cn  Fri Mar 23 01:00:19 2001
From: zjlcd at public.cc.jl.cn (liujie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000901c0b371$920a5180$0500a8c0@zj.com>

  
 

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      Model
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     Viewing Area(mm)
     Character Size(mm)
     Dot Size
     TN/STN
     Character Font
     
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     16X1
     80X36X11(14)
     64.5X13.5
     3.20X6.35
     0.60X0.75
     TN/ STN
      5X8
     
      161C
     16X1
     151X40X14
     120X23
     6.0X14.5
     1.15X1.76
        STN
      5X8
     
      161E
     16X1
     80x36X9(14)
     64.5X13.8
     3.2X6.35
     0.6X0.75
        STN
      5X8
     
      161F
     16X1
     80X36X14.5
     65.0X14.2
     3.2X6.35
     0.6X0.75
        STN
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     16X2
     80X36X9.4(13)
     64.5X13.8
     2.95X4.35
     0.55X0.50
     TN/STN
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     3X5.83
     0.56X0.69
        STN
      5X8
     
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     20X2
     115.57X39.7X14
     83.1X18.6
     3.25X5.39
     0.61X0.63
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      204A
     20X4
     98X60X11(14)
     76X25.2
     2.95X4.75
     0.55X0.55
        STN
      5X8
     
      402A
     40X2
     !82X33.5X14
     154X15.8
     3.2X5.55
     0.60X0.65
        STN
      5X8
     
      404A
     40X4
     190X54X9.5(14)
     156X29.5
     2.78X4.89
     0.52X0.55
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     60X18.5
     0.4X0.4
     0.45X0.45
       STN
     
      12864B
     128X64
     93X70X11(13.6)
     70.7X38.8
     0.48X0.48
     0.52X0.52
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From ben at nerp.net  Sat Mar 24 09:11:43 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
In-Reply-To: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103240908090.20157-100000@chef>

yes, you can load the data into a postgresql relational database, and then
install a postgresql ODBC driver on your windows client workstations.  in
MS access you can select the linux server as an ODBC source, and run your
application that way.  (you will have to export your access database to
CVS, and load it into postgresql of course)  then you can begin writing
PHP, perl, or whatever web applications to use the postgresql backend.
it's not a trivial process, but it's the best way to do any kind of data
storage.  even micrsoft recomends that access NOT be used for business
critical data storage.  where as postgresql SQL server can easily handle
tens of thousands of transactions a day, on minimal hardware.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Heather Wagamon wrote:

> We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a database-driven web
> application that uses an MSAccess database that we're already using for
> other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access database on a Linux
> server and have it accessable from the web and from our office network?
>
> Thanks-
> Heather
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 23 11:29:24 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [agriffin@cpcug.org: SANS Institute warns of new worm exploiting old BIND on Linux]
Message-ID: <20010323112924.C18726@real-time.com>

You might want to check your machines for the latest REMOTE bind exploit.

----- Forwarded message from James A Griffin <agriffin@cpcug.org> -----
> 
> For more information see http://www.sans.org/y2k/lion.htm
> 

----- End forwarded message -----

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From wilson at visi.com  Sat Mar 24 10:56:16 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Ctrl weirdness in NEdit
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103241045130.19785-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I've been working with NEdit lately. (Very cool editor...check out
http://www.nedit.org/) This editor uses the Motif/Lesstif toolkit and I'm
wondering if that is contributing to some strangeness I'm seeing with the
keyboard shortcuts.

For example, I should be able to save a file by hitting Ctrl-s, but when I
do that in Nedit, I get '<dc3>'. Any ideas?

-Tim

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar 24 11:01:13 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB
In-Reply-To: <m3vgoz7ov7.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103241059060.2538-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On 23 Mar 2001, Jon Schewe wrote:

> Yeah, the catch is you need to start the hotsync on the palm, then tell jpilot
> to sync, otherwise it can't bind to the device.  Also mine shows up on
> /dev/ttyUSB1 not 0.  Not sure how they're numbered though.

Hmm. I tried that and it looks like it's trying a bit harder, but still
not making it.

What speed should I set it to?


-Yaron

--


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 23 13:27:39 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] encrypted filesystems
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096A8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone know of any good encrypted filesystem solutions for kernel 2.4?
Preferably something that uses Rijndael?  I found some crypto patches, but
they are only for kernel 2.4.0, not 2.4.2.  A grep through the patch shows
Rijndael though.

Jay

From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sat Mar 24 12:12:28 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
References: <001801c0b41c$f592daa0$39754618@ek.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <3ABCE38C.BABC0709@black-hole.com>

Hello
cmarsh wrote:

> hello


From sos at zjod.net  Sat Mar 24 12:21:38 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103241059060.2538-100000@dragon> from "Yaron" at Mar 24, 2001 11:01:13 AM
Message-ID: <200103241821.MAA31950@zjod.net>

Use 115200 as the rate.

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On 23 Mar 2001, Jon Schewe wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, the catch is you need to start the hotsync on the palm, then tell jpilot
> > to sync, otherwise it can't bind to the device.  Also mine shows up on
> > /dev/ttyUSB1 not 0.  Not sure how they're numbered though.
> 
> Hmm. I tried that and it looks like it's trying a bit harder, but still
> not making it.
> 
> What speed should I set it to?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
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From bradyh at bitstream.net  Sat Mar 24 12:26:51 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103240908090.20157-100000@chef>
References: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010324113658.00aae100@mail.bitstream.net>

Like Ben says, if you can get away from using Access do so but if not you 
could look into something called ODBC-ODBC Bridge that will allow you to 
connect from a Linux machine to an Access database on an NT 
machine.  ODBC-ODBC Bridge seems to work pretty well from my testing but I 
don't use it in production.

One problem I can see with the postgresql solution is that you might not 
want all your sensitive information on your webserver.  I prefer not to 
have any direct connection between my webserver and my database servers let 
alone run them on the same machine.

The system I setup at my workplace runs a VB program (which has the 
advantage of being able to pull data from many different types of databases 
including Access) nightly to save data to a delimited text file, FTP it to 
the Linux server and run a PHP script there which loads it into a mySQL 
database.  It's surprisingly robust and it's able to pull only the data you 
need from various databases and process it prior to uploading.

Brady

>yes, you can load the data into a postgresql relational database, and then
>install a postgresql ODBC driver on your windows client workstations.  in
>MS access you can select the linux server as an ODBC source, and run your
>application that way.  (you will have to export your access database to
>CVS, and load it into postgresql of course)  then you can begin writing
>PHP, perl, or whatever web applications to use the postgresql backend.
>it's not a trivial process, but it's the best way to do any kind of data
>storage.  even micrsoft recomends that access NOT be used for business
>critical data storage.  where as postgresql SQL server can easily handle
>tens of thousands of transactions a day, on minimal hardware.
>
>Thank You,
>         Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
>
>  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
>
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Heather Wagamon wrote:
>
> > We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a database-driven web
> > application that uses an MSAccess database that we're already using for
> > other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access database on a Linux
> > server and have it accessable from the web and from our office network?
> >
> > Thanks-
> > Heather
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Mar 24 12:58:41 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
In-Reply-To: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>; from webgirl@wagtopia.com on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 08:39:21AM -0600
References: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <20010324125841.A31116@real-time.com>

Quoting Heather Wagamon (webgirl@wagtopia.com):
> We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a database-driven web 
> application that uses an MSAccess database that we're already using for 
> other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access database on a Linux 
> server and have it accessable from the web and from our office network?

Nope. You need to put the Access DB on an NT box and run something like
EasySoft's OOBC thingie.

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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar 24 12:59:33 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB
In-Reply-To: <200103241821.MAA31950@zjod.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103241259001.22274-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote:

> Use 115200 as the rate.

Hmmm, tried that.. didn't go... oh well.


-Yaron

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sat Mar 24 14:29:50 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
Message-ID: <m3ae6a7vwh.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

I've got an ext2 filesystem image of my old root filesystem, just in case I
forgot some settings.  Under 2.2.18 I had no truoble mounting it with:
mount /home/old-root.img /mnt/oldroot -t ext2 -o ro,loop

Now under 2.4.2 I try the same thing and it just hangs.  Anyone got any clues?

That and I've noticed 2.4.2 wants to hang on startup and shutdown for a long
time, like it's waiting for a timeout, but there's nothing in the logs.  The
system is SuSE 7.1.

-- 
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For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar 24 15:16:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Do an lsmod and see if the loop module is loaded.  If not, try doing a
"modprobe loop".  The module might not even be in your /lib/modules
directory, in which case you'll have to compile it.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@mtu.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:30 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
> 
> 
> I've got an ext2 filesystem image of my old root filesystem, 
> just in case I
> forgot some settings.  Under 2.2.18 I had no truoble mounting it with:
> mount /home/old-root.img /mnt/oldroot -t ext2 -o ro,loop
> 
> Now under 2.4.2 I try the same thing and it just hangs.  
> Anyone got any clues?
> 
> That and I've noticed 2.4.2 wants to hang on startup and 
> shutdown for a long
> time, like it's waiting for a timeout, but there's nothing in 
> the logs.  The
> system is SuSE 7.1.
> 
> -- 
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> 
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sat Mar 24 17:46:55 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
In-Reply-To: "Austad, Jay"'s message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:16:43 -0600"
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <m34rwiafww.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

I've got it compiled into the kernel, so modules aren't required.

"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> writes:

> Do an lsmod and see if the loop module is loaded.  If not, try doing a
> "modprobe loop".  The module might not even be in your /lib/modules
> directory, in which case you'll have to compile it.
> 
> Jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@mtu.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:30 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
> > 
> > 
> > I've got an ext2 filesystem image of my old root filesystem, 
> > just in case I
> > forgot some settings.  Under 2.2.18 I had no truoble mounting it with:
> > mount /home/old-root.img /mnt/oldroot -t ext2 -o ro,loop
> > 
> > Now under 2.4.2 I try the same thing and it just hangs.  
> > Anyone got any clues?
> > 
> > That and I've noticed 2.4.2 wants to hang on startup and 
> > shutdown for a long
> > time, like it's waiting for a timeout, but there's nothing in 
> > the logs.  The
> > system is SuSE 7.1.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
> > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
> > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
> > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
> > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
> > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> > 
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> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
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For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From fertch at mninter.net  Sat Mar 24 18:12:00 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
Message-ID: <3ABD37CF.67F02F45@mninter.net>

Need some help on this if possible please.  I'm trying to get my machine
with the ISDN connection to allow the other machines on the network
out.  From what I've gathered, I need to put the following lines in my
rc.local file:

ipchains -P forward DENY
ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/99 -d 0.0.0.0/0

I also have ALL:ALL in my hosts.deny file for blocking connections,
though I'm assuming that shouldn't stop the routing (I hope).

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 24 18:23:41 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
Message-ID: <20010325002341.42474.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>

a while ago i asked about using NFS to export the
passwd and shadow files, instead you pointed me to use
SCP and SSH to transport files... ( i looked into NIS
and i cannot use shadow and MD5 with NIS, maybe in
NIS+ )

anyways, i cannot log in as root to the machine in
question using ssh, i tried looking in the
/etc/securetty file and adding in/uncommenting
pty/0-pty/9 but still no luck... where else is root
login over ssh denied?

 -munir

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Fri Mar 23 16:41:42 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help
Message-ID: <3ABBD123.C8F09DB2@eetc.com>

I am trying to setup a cron job to move logfiles.  Mostly just to change
the name.  I would like to change the name so that it ends with the date
it was changed.  How do I do this with a bash script?  Is there a
predifined command?

sim


From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Mar 24 18:55:42 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Try changing:
ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/99 -d 0.0.0.0/0
to
ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/8 -d 0.0.0.0/0


Make sure your internal ip's on your network are 10.x.x.x addresses,
otherwise you need to modify the -s option.  ipchains shouldn't even take 99
as an option as you can only have a maximum of /32 there.  This is the
netmask in CIDR format.

Jay


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: tclug
> Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
> 
> 
> Need some help on this if possible please.  I'm trying to get 
> my machine
> with the ISDN connection to allow the other machines on the network
> out.  From what I've gathered, I need to put the following lines in my
> rc.local file:
> 
> ipchains -P forward DENY
> ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/99 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> 
> I also have ALL:ALL in my hosts.deny file for blocking connections,
> though I'm assuming that shouldn't stop the routing (I hope).
> 
> From my understanding on the second ipchains line, the first series of
> ip addresses are the local ip range of the LAN while the second is the
> generic outgoing?  The document I was referencing was showing a
> different internal IP address with /24 at the end.  I was 
> assuming that
> the /24 was the highest number in the last octet.
> 
> I can connect and browse the web with the machine that is connected to
> the web, but I can't seem to connect any other machine to the web.  I
> can ping the gateway machine and the ip of the gateway is in all
> machines as well.  I'm not running DNS, but I do have the machines
> listed in my /etc/hosts file.
> 
> 
> Anything I'm overlooking or misconfiguring?
> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ben at nerp.net  Fri Mar 23 16:46:53 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *pindrop*
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103231646340.22877-100000@chef>

hey.. is this thing on?

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Mar 24 19:33:42 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
In-Reply-To: <m3ae6a7vwh.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
References: <m3ae6a7vwh.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <20010324193342.399bd058.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>

Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.net> wrote:
> 
> I've got an ext2 filesystem image of my old root filesystem, just in
> case I
> forgot some settings.  Under 2.2.18 I had no truoble mounting it with:
> mount /home/old-root.img /mnt/oldroot -t ext2 -o ro,loop
> 
> Now under 2.4.2 I try the same thing and it just hangs.  Anyone got any
> clues?

Yeah, it's a bug

http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20010302_109.html#11
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/patches/2.4.2-pre4/

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From fertch at mninter.net  Sat Mar 24 21:13:21 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3ABD6250.B0EBE7EF@mninter.net>

After doing some more digging, and reading a bit more, I found that if I put
these two lines in:

ipchains -P forward DENY
ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ

things work.  Though, now this leads me to think that if the above works with a
dialing device, would the one you suggest below be for an ethernet device?  I
admit to having not tried yours below Jay, but this is a thought for some more
understanding on my end.

Also, I admit to being a bit naive on this.  But, the the heck is CIDR?


"Austad, Jay" wrote:

> Try changing:
> ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/99 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> to
> ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/8 -d 0.0.0.0/0
>
> Make sure your internal ip's on your network are 10.x.x.x addresses,
> otherwise you need to modify the -s option.  ipchains shouldn't even take 99
> as an option as you can only have a maximum of /32 there.  This is the
> netmask in CIDR format.
>
> Jay


From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Sat Mar 24 21:29:01 2001
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help
In-Reply-To: <3ABBD123.C8F09DB2@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 04:41:42PM -0600
References: <3ABBD123.C8F09DB2@eetc.com>
Message-ID: <20010324212901.A18669@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

You want to first type "date --help|more" and read the options. The key
is the format command. For example, to change a file named x to include
the date at the end you could use:

mv x x-'date +%y-%m-%d'

or mv x x-'date +%D'

The first example will give you a file that looks like x-2001-03-24.
The second one will give a file that looks like x-03/24/01. Play around
with the various options to get something you like.

(The apostrophes are supposed to be back ticks. I am typing this on a
keyboard that doesn't appear to let me enter a back tick. Shh. It's a
Macintosh.)

On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 04:41:42PM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote:
> I am trying to setup a cron job to move logfiles.  Mostly just to change
> the name.  I would like to change the name so that it ends with the date
> it was changed.  How do I do this with a bash script?  Is there a
> predifined command?
> 
> sim
> 
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Sat Mar 24 21:36:31 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help
Message-ID: <sabd1373.041@mdh-gw1>

First check out 'logrotate' and see if it will do what you are trying to accomplish.

>>> simeonuj@eetc.com 03/24/01 19:25 PM >>>
I am trying to setup a cron job to move logfiles.  Mostly just to change
the name.  I would like to change the name so that it ends with the date
it was changed.  How do I do this with a bash script?  Is there a
predifined command?

sim

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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Sat Mar 24 21:38:21 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
Message-ID: <sabd13d0.042@mdh-gw1>

It is a configuration option in SSH I think (/etc/sshd.conf or something).

>>> m_nassar@yahoo.com 03/24/01 19:12 PM >>>
a while ago i asked about using NFS to export the
passwd and shadow files, instead you pointed me to use
SCP and SSH to transport files... ( i looked into NIS
and i cannot use shadow and MD5 with NIS, maybe in
NIS+ )

anyways, i cannot log in as root to the machine in
question using ssh, i tried looking in the
/etc/securetty file and adding in/uncommenting
pty/0-pty/9 but still no luck... where else is root
login over ssh denied?

 -munir

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From fertch at mninter.net  Sun Mar 25 00:33:35 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
References: <sabd13d0.042@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <3ABD913F.D6CD8822@mninter.net>

Hmm, if you're concerned about logging in as root securely, wouldn't doing "su -" be a more viable option?  At work we've completely disabled any
and all remote logins as root.  You either have to be at the console of the server to log in as root, or need to "su" to it.

If you're doing this on Slackware, I do believe that they prevent remote logins as well.  At least on my systems here at home prevent any remote
logins as root.

Shawn


> anyways, i cannot log in as root to the machine in
> question using ssh, i tried looking in the
> /etc/securetty file and adding in/uncommenting
> pty/0-pty/9 but still no luck... where else is root
> login over ssh denied?
>
>  -munir


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Mar 25 00:47:56 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and /dev/loop not working
In-Reply-To: Michael Hicks's message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:33:42 -0600"
References: <m3ae6a7vwh.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<20010324193342.399bd058.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <m34rwi2vkz.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Michael Hicks <hick0088@tc.umn.edu> writes:

> Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I've got an ext2 filesystem image of my old root filesystem, just in
> > case I
> > forgot some settings.  Under 2.2.18 I had no truoble mounting it with:
> > mount /home/old-root.img /mnt/oldroot -t ext2 -o ro,loop
> > 
> > Now under 2.4.2 I try the same thing and it just hangs.  Anyone got any
> > clues?
> 
> Yeah, it's a bug
> 
> http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20010302_109.html#11
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/patches/2.4.2-pre4/

Thanks for the info.  Hopefully 2.4.3 will have it fixed and be out before I
need to mount that image.

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Mar 25 00:50:10 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Voodoo3 & XFree 4.0
Message-ID: <m3zoea1gwt.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Ok, I upgraded my workstation to SuSE 7.1 with XFree86 4.0.  I ran the setup,
sax2, and enabled hardware acceleration.  The 3D screensavers are _really_
fast now.  This is a good thing.  However when I switch back to the console I
can't see much and my keyboard seems to be confused there and I get some funny
horizontal line working it's way down my screen.  Anybody seen this?

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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From dmonie at futurestat.com  Sun Mar 25 01:15:26 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat install
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010325005225.009e61e0@pop.goldengate.net>

I'm currently trying to setup a dual boot RedHat7.0/Win98SE system. I'm 
using CD-Rs that were burned with the TCLUG FTP isos. The disc failed to 
boot at the InstallFest, so Bob was kind enough to send me another burned 
with a fresh iso. Again I'm having the same problem; however they seem to 
boot fine on Bob's system. I was able to get my Caldera and Slackware 
distro CDs to load properly (along with a borrowed RedHat disc at the 
InstallFest), so it isn't my BIOS settings. I also tried launching 
autoboot.bat and rawrite.exe from DOS but, like all good MS products, my 
system freezes. Any suggestions?

-Dileep

P.S. If nobody can answer my question, I'd like to borrow a working set of 
RedHat 7.0 CDs from someone. I would be happy to return them to you at the 
next meeting.


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Mar 25 01:44:08 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat install
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010325005225.009e61e0@pop.goldengate.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103250143520.703-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Dileep D. Monie wrote:

> P.S. If nobody can answer my question, I'd like to borrow a working set of
> RedHat 7.0 CDs from someone. I would be happy to return them to you at the
> next meeting.

Where in the TC are you located?


-Yaron

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Mar 25 02:02:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I dunno, I haven't used ipchains with a dialup connection.  If it works,
good.  :)

CIDR stands for Classless Inter-domain routing (or something like that).
192.168.2.0 with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 is the same as 192.168.2.0/24.
If you take the netmask and write it in binary, you get:
11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000

which is 24 bits, hence the /24.  255.255.0.0 is "11111111 11111111 00000000
00000000" which is /16. And my DSL is 255.255.255.240 which is "11111111
11111111 11111111 11110000" which is /28.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:13 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IP Chains
> 
> 
> After doing some more digging, and reading a bit more, I 
> found that if I put
> these two lines in:
> 
> ipchains -P forward DENY
> ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ
> 
> things work.  Though, now this leads me to think that if the 
> above works with a
> dialing device, would the one you suggest below be for an 
> ethernet device?  I
> admit to having not tried yours below Jay, but this is a 
> thought for some more
> understanding on my end.
> 
> Also, I admit to being a bit naive on this.  But, the the 
> heck is CIDR?
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> > Try changing:
> > ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/99 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> > to
> > ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.0/8 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> >
> > Make sure your internal ip's on your network are 10.x.x.x addresses,
> > otherwise you need to modify the -s option.  ipchains 
> shouldn't even take 99
> > as an option as you can only have a maximum of /32 there.  
> This is the
> > netmask in CIDR format.
> >
> > Jay
> 
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Sun Mar 25 02:55:58 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
References: <20010325002341.42474.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3ABDB29E.6FA9D3CA@ringworld.org>

SSH denies root login be default. The config it probally somewhere like
/etc/ssh/sshd_config. The option you're looking for is PermitRootLogin.

Look into useing LDAP instead of NIS/NIS+. LDAP is definitly cooler than
NIS, don't know much about NIS+ though.

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From kelly at ncis.com  Sun Mar 25 05:17:31 2001
From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up a Freesco Router (newbe ver)
Message-ID: <005201c0b51d$30655440$0a01a8c0@inet>

Hey all.
I created a Newbe how to. How to set up a Freesco router.
Now lets get out there and find good homes for all those down trodden 386 and 486 computers out there.

http://www.mnsports.addr.com/freesco/index.htm

Kelly
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From andy at theasis.com  Sun Mar 25 06:37:59 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
In-Reply-To: <3ABD913F.D6CD8822@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103250636090.26732-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Hmm, if you're concerned about logging in as root securely, wouldn't
> doing "su -" be a more viable option?  At work we've completely

Perhaps even better is to use sudo. 
Moreover, in cases where there is more than one admin, it's absolutely
silly (IMO) not to use sudo.

Andy

> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> > anyways, i cannot log in as root to the machine in
> > question using ssh, i tried looking in the

> >  -munir
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Sun Mar 25 09:46:47 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root login over SSH/SCP
In-Reply-To: <20010325002341.42474.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>; from m_nassar@yahoo.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 04:23:41PM -0800
References: <20010325002341.42474.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010325094647.A32266@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> ( i looked into NIS and i cannot use shadow and MD5 with NIS, maybe in
> NIS+ )

Well, I'm not sure how hard you looked or where you looked, but this is
absolutely not true.  NIS can use shadow passwds and MD5 without problem.
There are sum advantages to NIS+ (the default on Slackware, IIRC), but the
administrative complexity far outways them, IMHO.  

In most cases, you'll be fine using NIS.  Many people don't like it because
it's _possible_ for someone to ypxfer your maps from your server, but in
order for them to do it, they need to find a way onto your network
(physically) and be able to spoof one of your NIS clients.  

It's easy for someone to get your maps if they get on one of your NIS
clients, either as root or as a user, which is a pretty large disad
considering many users pick terrible, brute-forcable passwds.

I've never had a problem with NIS though.  Yes, it's not the most security
conscious system, but it's very standard and very convenient.

SCPing maps around isn't a bad solution though, and it gives you at least
some authentication (as does NIS+ w/kerberos).

My $.02

Gabe
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From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 13:44:36 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
In-Reply-To: <01C0B374.C228B5C0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <20010325194436.23075.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello webgirl,

Currently the mdb access file does not run on linux. 
The best way is to port that data over to another
database.  There is a free one out there called myssql
database.

Scott

PS....email me back and tell me about yourself.  How
about an email penpal.
--- Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> wrote:
> We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a
> database-driven web 
> application that uses an MSAccess database that
> we're already using for 
> other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access
> database on a Linux 
> server and have it accessable from the web and from
> our office network?
> 
> Thanks-
> Heather
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Mar 25 19:05:12 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] access
In-Reply-To: Scott Dagastino's message of "Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:44:36 -0800 (PST)"
References: <20010325194436.23075.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <m3snk11gs7.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Another posibility is to have the access database served off a Windows box and
accessed through a network database driver.  I've done this with Java before.
Let me know if you want more info.

Scott Dagastino <scottdagastino@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hello webgirl,
> 
> Currently the mdb access file does not run on linux. 
> The best way is to port that data over to another
> database.  There is a free one out there called myssql
> database.
> 
> Scott
> 
> PS....email me back and tell me about yourself.  How
> about an email penpal.
> --- Heather Wagamon <webgirl@wagtopia.com> wrote:
> > We have a Linux web server.  I would like to write a
> > database-driven web 
> > application that uses an MSAccess database that
> > we're already using for 
> > other applications.  Is there a way to put an Access
> > database on a Linux 
> > server and have it accessable from the web and from
> > our office network?
> > 
> > Thanks-
> > Heather
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> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
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From dkleist at acm.org  Sun Mar 25 21:35:59 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE, DHCP, dhclient, YaST
Message-ID: <20010325213559.C854@coder>

Does anyone have any experience setting up DHCP with SuSE linux?  The
whole use of dhclient is throwing me.  I'm having problems getting the
setup to work, and I'm not sure where I'm getting lost.  I pretty much
get stuck at bootup, somehow not getting the DHCP card on my firewall to
get set up (never can see the device on ifconfig).  (I'm using YaST to
manage the system.)

Any help or hints is greatly appreciated.

   - Dave
-- 
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              - Ambrose Bierce


From hutera at mediaone.net  Sun Mar 25 22:35:15 2001
From: hutera at mediaone.net (Hutera)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Xpert 2000 AGP Xfree86
References: <200103251801.f2PI1Pl14213@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3ABEC701.AA0B0CBB@mediaone.net>

    I just installed redhat 7.0 and I seem to be having troubles with my Xpert 2000 AGP 32 meg video card in Xwindows.  Redhat seems to detect my
video card fine, but  it will not allow me to run X windows.  The auto-probe finds and reccomends the Rage 128 (generic) driver.  This is the right
chipset for this card.  The only thing I can think of is that its a AGP card and maybe the config thinks its a PCI card.  When I go to
www.xfree86.org it shows my card as being supported but it does not mention PCI or AGP in the mentioning.    I also have my monitor listed in the
list its a sony-15sx1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Steve



From dave at droyer.org  Sun Mar 25 22:24:07 2001
From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bash Problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103252218580.12491-100000@droyer.org>

I am trying to setup Apache on my debian (woody) system and I ran into,
what looks like, a problem with how I have bash setup.  After poking
around, I find it evewn shows up if I run which.  

Here's an example:

   merlin:/etc/apache# which vi
   shell-init: could not get current directory: No such file or directory
   /bin/vi

Any idea what might be causing the shell-init error?  I checked out my
.bashrc file but everything seems fine.

Thanks,

Dave


From pc451 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 23:19:26 2001
From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Introduction and help with dotfiles in ~
Message-ID: <20010326051926.90160.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>

   Greetings! My name is Peter Clark, and I have been using Linux as my
primary OS for more than two years now. I'm currently running Mandrake
7.2, but really don't like its feel. I basically got it for KDE 2.0. :)
Once Progeny is released, I might try that.
   Anyways, I have a question that has vexed me for some time now, but
have not found the answer. Namely, is there anyway to prevent dotfiles
from taking over my home directory? In the past, my solution has been
to recompile the source code so that the dotfiles point to
~/.dotfiles/, but this is not always convinient. Is there any program
or daemon that sits in the background, waiting to redirect calls for
dotfiles from home to a directory of my choice? Obviously, I don't want
to redirect _everything_ from my home directory, otherwise, it is
useless. I just want to have a convinient directory that stores all
those dotfiles, so that every time I view my home directory (`ls` is
aliased to `ls -la` of course) I don't have to view pages of rc files,
kde and gnome prefs, etc. Any hints, comments, or suggestions would be
appreciated.
   Thanks!
   :Peter

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From sos at zjod.net  Mon Mar 26 00:18:04 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
Message-ID: <200103260618.AAA06598@zjod.net>

Okay, now that folks are getting scanners, can anyone recommend some
good free/cheap/non-cheap OCR software on Linux that actually _works_?

-S


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 01:00:25 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bash Problems
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

It's saying that the directory your are in (/etc/apache), doesn't exist.
Maybe you removed it in a different window, and switched back to this one
which was already in that directory you removed??

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Royer [mailto:dave@droyer.org]
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:24 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] bash Problems
> 
> 
> I am trying to setup Apache on my debian (woody) system and I 
> ran into,
> what looks like, a problem with how I have bash setup.  After poking
> around, I find it evewn shows up if I run which.  
> 
> Here's an example:
> 
>    merlin:/etc/apache# which vi
>    shell-init: could not get current directory: No such file 
> or directory
>    /bin/vi
> 
> Any idea what might be causing the shell-init error?  I checked out my
> .bashrc file but everything seems fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave
> 
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 01:05:09 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096BA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

A search on freshmeat turns up a few, but I haven't tried any of them.

BTW, I got my Epson Perfection 1240U on friday.  IT ROCKS.  I can scan an
8.5x11 sheet of paper at 400dpi in about 10 seconds.  Way faster than any
other scanner I've ever used.  $163 from mwave.com.  

Maybe I'll play around with OCR someday, most of the packages I saw looked
pretty primitive.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sos@zjod.net [mailto:sos@zjod.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:18 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, now that folks are getting scanners, can anyone recommend some
> good free/cheap/non-cheap OCR software on Linux that actually _works_?
> 
> -S
> 
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From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar 26 04:54:17 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3ABF1FD9.8D3EFF11@mninter.net>

Too many 1's and 0's...  Going cross eyed.   So basically, the last octet of
the netmask is what determines the /# after the ip address.  Oh man, more
reading to do now again.  And I just got it figured out how my other Linux
boxes can get out to the internet, and need to look into why the W98se
can't.....  Will the madness ever end??? ;)


Shawn


"Austad, Jay" wrote:

> I dunno, I haven't used ipchains with a dialup connection.  If it works,
> good.  :)
>
> CIDR stands for Classless Inter-domain routing (or something like that).
> 192.168.2.0 with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 is the same as 192.168.2.0/24.
> If you take the netmask and write it in binary, you get:
> 11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000
>
> which is 24 bits, hence the /24.  255.255.0.0 is "11111111 11111111 00000000
> 00000000" which is /16. And my DSL is 255.255.255.240 which is "11111111
> 11111111 11111111 11110000" which is /28.
>
> Jay


From nate at techie.com  Mon Mar 26 08:04:41 2001
From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Introduction and help with dotfiles in ~
In-Reply-To: <20010326051926.90160.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 09:19:26PM -0800
References: <20010326051926.90160.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010326080440.A17382@candle.dyn.dhs.org>

On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 09:19:26PM -0800, Peter Clark wrote:
> those dotfiles, so that every time I view my home directory (`ls` is
> aliased to `ls -la` of course) I don't have to view pages of rc files,

Easy, alias ls='ls -l'.

In Unix files starting with a dot are meant to be "hidden."  If you're
viewing all files all the time, you're defeating the purpose of the
convention.  It's almost like using "ATTRIB" to list files under DOS.  

Nate

From pc451 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 08:13:38 2001
From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Introduction and help with dotfiles in ~
In-Reply-To: <20010326080440.A17382@candle.dyn.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <20010326141338.38801.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>

--- nate@techie.com wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 09:19:26PM -0800, Peter Clark wrote:
> > those dotfiles, so that every time I view my home directory (`ls`
> is
> > aliased to `ls -la` of course) I don't have to view pages of rc
> files,
> 
> Easy, alias ls='ls -l'.
   Not easy. I _want_ to see hidden files. I don't want anything hidden
from my eyes! It's the control freak in me. :)

> In Unix files starting with a dot are meant to be "hidden."  If
> you're
> viewing all files all the time, you're defeating the purpose of the
> convention.  It's almost like using "ATTRIB" to list files under DOS.
   Convention? Bah! Besides, I cannot recall the number of times I have
found hidden directories in tarballs that I have downloaded that are
utterly useless. So far, nothing threatening, but just things like the
hidden directory xv creates for thumbnails. Some of these directories
can get stuffed with junk, just begging for rm -rf.
   On the other hand, when compiling, some programs will create a .libs
directory. I like to strip stuff before installing (since not every
make install does that) so it helps to be able to see these hidden
directories.
   :Peter
   


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From jhallgren at abaton.com  Mon Mar 26 08:33:04 2001
From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Ctrl weirdness in NEdit
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103241045130.19785-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3ABF5320.EEB3648@abaton.com>

ctrl-s works for me initially and for awhile after I start editing but
then something happens and I start getting the <dc3>. Other control
codes don't seem to have this problem.
Overall I like NEdit, the ctrl-s thing and the odd default syntax colors
(most everything in java is red) are my only complaints..


Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've been working with NEdit lately. (Very cool editor...check out
> http://www.nedit.org/) This editor uses the Motif/Lesstif toolkit and I'm
> wondering if that is contributing to some strangeness I'm seeing with the
> keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> For example, I should be able to save a file by hitting Ctrl-s, but when I
> do that in Nedit, I get '<dc3>'. Any ideas?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar 26 08:44:46 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fetchmail -> Procmail -> Pine
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5077E@mail2.ROG.COM>

I understand that Pine expects each e-mail to have it's own file.  I
understand that Procmail does have the ability to do this but their is a
deficiency in updating some counters or something.  I did not read the
directions real closely, only to learn that there is a program called
rcvstore from nmh that people send their mail through to get properly
processed.  

This is the first time I have set up my e-mail on my Linux machine using
this process.  I the past I have used Netscape and kmail.  

My question is this, how do I get the e-mail formatted so Pine can read it
correctly.  

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Mar 26 08:56:38 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
In-Reply-To: <3ABF1FD9.8D3EFF11@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 04:54:17AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096B6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3ABF1FD9.8D3EFF11@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <20010326085638.B24388@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 04:54:17AM -0600, Shawn wrote:
> Too many 1's and 0's...  Going cross eyed.   So basically, the last octet of
> the netmask is what determines the /# after the ip address.

For small networks, yes.  But it's really all octets.  A class A network, for
instance, would have a netmask of 255.0.0.0 (8 bits set) and, therefore, be a
/8 in CIDR notation.

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From andy at theasis.com  Mon Mar 26 09:10:20 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fetchmail -> Procmail -> Pine
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5077E@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103260856430.26732-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> I understand that Pine expects each e-mail to have it's own file.  I

From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Mar 26 08:42:48 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Introduction and help with dotfiles in ~
In-Reply-To: <20010326141338.38801.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 06:13:38AM -0800
References: <20010326080440.A17382@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <20010326141338.38801.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010326084248.A24388@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 06:13:38AM -0800, Peter Clark wrote:
> --- nate@techie.com wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 09:19:26PM -0800, Peter Clark wrote:
> > Easy, alias ls='ls -l'.
>    Not easy. I _want_ to see hidden files. I don't want anything hidden
> from my eyes!

...except for some of the hidden files.

Personally, my answer is `unalias ls` and just add the appropriate options
when you want them.  `unalias ls` or `alias ls='ls -l'` don't prevent you
from seeing everything, they give you the option of not seeing everything at
times when you don't want to see it.  IMO, it makes no sense to set an
alias which says "show me everything all the time" and then complain about
being shown everything.

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    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Mar 26 09:37:21 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fetchmail -> Procmail -> Pine
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50780@mail2.ROG.COM>

Right now when I get my e-mail from Mediaone, all the mail goes into one
file,  when Pine reads it, it looks like it is all one big message, I can
then sort and save the messages by hand (yuk) or set up procmail to do the
sorting for me.  Correct me if I am wrong, when I set up procmail, I will
have 1 directory for each type of message that I want to break out like
tclug, php-general, etc. and within each directory there will be one file
that contains all the messages for that catagory.  

How would I use Rcvstore in conjuction with procmail to correctly handle me
messages, that part is a bit unclear to me.

Thanks

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:10 AM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fetchmail -> Procmail -> Pine


> I understand that Pine expects each e-mail to have it's own file.  I

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 26 10:22:58 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Introduction and help with dotfiles in ~
In-Reply-To: <20010326141338.38801.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103261018020.13868-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Peter Clark wrote:

> > Easy, alias ls='ls -l'.
>    Not easy. I _want_ to see hidden files. I don't want anything hidden
> from my eyes! It's the control freak in me. :)

There's a big difference between "hidden" and "non-accessible."

Use ls for most files, and write your current alias to ll or something,
that way you can have both.  If you're looking for a way to have the
machine "do what I mean, not what I say" then I think you're out of luck.

I like to know what's going on with my car in great detail, but it doesn't
mean I drive around with the hood open! ;)

Cheers
Phil

-- 
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 26 10:26:11 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
In-Reply-To: <200103260618.AAA06598@zjod.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103261023160.13868-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote:

> Okay, now that folks are getting scanners, can anyone recommend some
> good free/cheap/non-cheap OCR software on Linux that actually _works_?

I looked a little while ago and didn't find any.  The problem seems to be
that pattern recognition stuff is really hard to do and/or
patented.  There are a couple of Linux projects, but none that I've seen
is terribly useful.  I'd be interested in anything you find out, too.

Cheers,
Phil M

-- 
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From atebbe at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 11:14:29 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LCD/SVGA Projector to borrow
In-Reply-To: <20010322183523.42e57e96.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:35:23PM -0600
References: <20010322113944.B23381@real-time.com> <20010322183523.42e57e96.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010326111429.W8278@real-time.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:35:23PM -0600, Michael Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu) wrote:
> Amy Tanner <atebbe@real-time.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know of an LCD/SVGA video projector TCLUG could borrow both 
> > for the mid-month meetings and for the TCLUG talk at Strictly Business
> > in May?
> 
> Well, if the mid-month meetings are held on-campus, the trick would be to
> get a room with a projector..

Agreed - we are working that angle as well.

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From fertch at mninter.net  Mon Mar 26 11:20:06 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103261023160.13868-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3ABF7A46.C70E327F@mninter.net>

What about trying to use wine or win4lin or such for using Omni Page Pro?  I
tried to access the Wine database, but it appears to be down.

Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote:
>
> > Okay, now that folks are getting scanners, can anyone recommend some
> > good free/cheap/non-cheap OCR software on Linux that actually _works_?
>
> I looked a little while ago and didn't find any.  The problem seems to be
> that pattern recognition stuff is really hard to do and/or
> patented.  There are a couple of Linux projects, but none that I've seen
> is terribly useful.  I'd be interested in anything you find out, too.
>
> Cheers,
> Phil M
>
> --
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>
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Mon Mar 26 11:25:16 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:53:09AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010326112515.B17694@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:53:09AM -0600, Yaron wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> Anyone play with one of those yet? I just got one... I'm going to try and
> put Linux on it just for kicks, although I'm pretty sure it won't work.
> Plus suse hasn't downloaded yet (damn slow FTP servers).

According to some messages on the Debian Sparc list last week,
Linux does not run on Blades yet.  Several developers have gotten
a hold of Blades and are working on making it work, though.

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 12:47:56 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: to a bunch of stuff
In-Reply-To: <200103251801.f2PI1Pl14213@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010326184756.38003.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>

> It is a configuration option in SSH I think
> (/etc/sshd.conf or something).

found it, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
<snip>
PermitRootLogin yes
</snip>

> If you're doing this on Slackware, I do believe that
> they prevent remote logins as well.  At least on my
> systems here at home prevent any remote
> logins as root.

slackware does prevent root logins, and as slackware
is my server i didnt enable it...


> P.S. If nobody can answer my question, I'd like to
> borrow a working set of 
> RedHat 7.0 CDs from someone. I would be happy to
> return them to you at the 
> next meeting.

yeah i just burned a the whole set (CDs 1-4) though
you probably do not need more than 1, and if you have
a high speed internet i would suggest Debian (yep i am
a new convert thanks to apt-get)

> Look into useing LDAP instead of NIS/NIS+. LDAP is
> definitly cooler than
> NIS, don't know much about NIS+ though.

LDAP? i probably heard of it, but never used it, any
good HOWTOs?

> Moreover, in cases where there is more than one
> admin, it's absolutely
> silly (IMO) not to use sudo.

nope, only me doing the grunt work...

> Well, I'm not sure how hard you looked or where you
> looked, but this is
> absolutely not true.  NIS can use shadow passwds and
> MD5 without problem.
> There are sum advantages to NIS+ (the default on
> Slackware, IIRC), but the
> administrative complexity far outways them, IMHO.  

in the howto it said that <paraphrase>NIS does not
support shadows and MD5s, NIS+ fixes that but NIS+ is
harder to use so stick with the old NIS</paraphrase>

> In most cases, you'll be fine using NIS.  Many
> people don't like it because
> it's _possible_ for someone to ypxfer your maps from
> your server, 

the question is, on my home network: why would
somebody want to do that?

> considering many users pick terrible, brute-forcable
> passwds.

(l)users gotta love them, but then again im not too
worried about security at this point...

> SCPing maps around isn't a bad solution though, and
> it gives you at least
> some authentication (as does NIS+ w/kerberos).

but SCP to /etc requires root login, 

for now i have decided to put the shadow, passwd and
hosts (i have no DNS server yet - coming soon) on a
floppy to copy them around as there is only 5
machines... not the best solution but it works out
better then SCPing files over...

ok that was a long one, thanks guy for all your help/
pointers... hopefully oneday i will get this perfected
so i can make a proposal at work to move away from the
MS stuff they are using now...

 -munir

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From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Mar 26 13:02:17 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: to a bunch of stuff
In-Reply-To: <20010326184756.38003.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>; from m_nassar@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:47:56AM -0800
References: <200103251801.f2PI1Pl14213@sprite.real-time.com> <20010326184756.38003.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010326130217.E24388@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:47:56AM -0800, Munir Nassar wrote:
> but SCP to /etc requires root login, 

No it doesn't...  As root, just use

scp normaluser@otherhost:/etc/passwd /etc

Since you're running it as root, it can write to the local /etc directory,
and since you're logging in to otherhost as normaluser, root logins don't
need to be enabled.  (/etc/shadow is still a problem, though, since it's not
world-readable...)

-- 
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    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
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From jethro at yaron.org  Mon Mar 26 13:03:54 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <20010326112515.B17694@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon> <20010326112515.B17694@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <985633434.3abf929a265da@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Jim Crumley <crumley@belka.space.umn.edu>:

> According to some messages on the Debian Sparc list last week,
> Linux does not run on Blades yet.  Several developers have gotten
> a hold of Blades and are working on making it work, though.

Well maybe I should help thme! Where's this list at? (:

-Yaron

--

From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Mon Mar 26 13:04:20 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BIND exploit article
Message-ID: <sabf3e64.074@mdh-gw1>

Interesting article at the Register specifically mentioning Linux:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17864.html 



From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Mon Mar 26 13:30:29 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sun Blade
In-Reply-To: <985633434.3abf929a265da@dragon>; from jethro@yaron.org on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103220651270.19286-100000@dragon> <20010326112515.B17694@baker.space.umn.edu> <985633434.3abf929a265da@dragon>
Message-ID: <20010326133028.A19040@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600, jethro@yaron.org wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> Quoting Jim Crumley <crumley@belka.space.umn.edu>:
> 
> > According to some messages on the Debian Sparc list last week,
> > Linux does not run on Blades yet.  Several developers have gotten
> > a hold of Blades and are working on making it work, though.
> 
> Well maybe I should help thme! Where's this list at? (:
> 

Archives are available at lists.debian.org.  The specific message
I was thinking of was http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc-0103/msg00151.html.

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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Mar 26 13:27:36 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: to a bunch of stuff
References: <20010326184756.38003.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3ABF9828.AB5FBE2F@ltiflex.com>

On ssh:

> LDAP? i probably heard of it, but never used it, any
> good HOWTOs?
http://www.padl.com/
http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/ch-ldap.html
Some good places to start anyway.

> > considering many users pick terrible, brute-forcable
> > passwds.
pwgen -n 8
be0kijee
or for the really parinoid (and those with good memories...)
pwgen -s 8
tF_`AV<_
Try also the -a (alt-phonics) and -c options (capitalize)
pwgen -acn 8 8
Will generate 8 passwords with alt-phonics, captials, and 1 number. 

Users will pick something they will remember. After a day or two I don't
have any trouble remembering randomly generated passwords, well, as long as
I don't use the -s option. (generate totally random, unmemorable,
unpronouncable, but secure and unguessable passwords)

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 13:50:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] kdevelop 1.4
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Has anyone used it?  

In 1.3, it was fairly easy to integrate your GUI with the Dialog editor.
Now it starts QT designer, and I can't figure out how to get the code from
QT designer into my project.  All of the tutorials and docs are for version
1.3.  Doh.

Jay

From jack at jacku.com  Mon Mar 26 14:04:49 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE, DHCP, dhclient, YaST
Message-ID: <20010326200449.13575.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net>

Which version of SuSE are you using? I've got DHCP working with an AT&T Broadband Cable Modem and SuSE 7.0 Pro.

Are you managing with YAST1 or YAST2? If you're not using YAST1 I recommend that. Can you manually bring up the second ethernet card? On the older SuSE versions (Pre 6.3) if you opted for DHCP it only allowed you to configure the one card in YAST. On my current system I took a manual activation of the second ethernet card before YAST found it and now it restarts on bootup just fine. (Of course its been up since November so I think that's right. ;-)

FWIW what you want to do is doable.

Jack

On Sun, 25 March 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:

> 
> Does anyone have any experience setting up DHCP with SuSE linux?  The
> whole use of dhclient is throwing me.  I'm having problems getting the
> setup to work, and I'm not sure where I'm getting lost.  I pretty much
> get stuck at bootup, somehow not getting the DHCP card on my firewall to
> get set up (never can see the device on ifconfig).  (I'm using YaST to
> manage the system.)
> 
> Any help or hints is greatly appreciated.
> 
>    - Dave
> -- 
> Dave Kleist
>    dkleist@acm.org
>    "The covers of this book are too far apart."
>               - Ambrose Bierce
> 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 14:20:57 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <000401c0b46b$36e2afa0$0239a8c0@Sakura>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
> day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> services like www.dyndns.org

eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)

I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
prefer to follow RFC.

I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Mon Mar 26 14:56:50 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
Message-ID: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1>

Is Telocity offering a good deal? Are they a good/dependable provider?

>>> natecars@REAL-TIME.COM 03/26/01 02:20PM >>>
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
> day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> services like www.dyndns.org 

eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)

I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
prefer to follow RFC.

I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.

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From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com  Mon Mar 26 15:04:45 2001
From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com>

That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the weekend.
Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot higher
then 56K.:)
I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the net
are on your node.

--
Jamie Seeman
Secure Computing - Test Engineer
651.628.5420



Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
> > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> > services like www.dyndns.org
>
> eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
>
> I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> prefer to follow RFC.
>
> I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
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From sos at zjod.net  Mon Mar 26 15:06:46 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OCR software?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103261023160.13868-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> from "Philip C Mendelsohn" at Mar 26, 2001 10:26:11 AM
Message-ID: <200103262106.PAA00363@zjod.net>

Vividata, Inc (http://www.vividata.com) has a product called "OCR Shop" which
is available in the "personal edition" for $99.00.

Anybody know anything about these guys?

-S


Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote:
> 
> > Okay, now that folks are getting scanners, can anyone recommend some
> > good free/cheap/non-cheap OCR software on Linux that actually _works_?
> 
> I looked a little while ago and didn't find any.  The problem seems to be
> that pattern recognition stuff is really hard to do and/or
> patented.  There are a couple of Linux projects, but none that I've seen
> is terribly useful.  I'd be interested in anything you find out, too.
> 
> Cheers,
> Phil M

From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 15:18:40 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261517490.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Troy Johnson wrote:
> Is Telocity offering a good deal? Are they a good/dependable provider?

$50/mo, includes a single static IP; runs over a seperate phone line. In
my case, it's 7xx k down, 408k up. Not too bad of a price..

I've never used them before, or talked to anyone who has. The fact that
it's $50/mo, $25 setup (including router), and I got a promo code for the
first month free convinced me to give it a shot. Oh, no annual contract,
either.  :)

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From mike at getbent.net  Mon Mar 26 15:54:36 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1>
References: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <01032615543600.00262@Dingo>

Telocity just got baought out by AT&T or at least part of their backbone did.
Some customers are getting notice of termination of service from around
the Twin Cities area.  
 
To be honest with you, if you need a decent reliable providor for DSL and 
whatnot in the Twin Cities area your best bets are companies like

Qwest (I have installed well over 30+ setups with them, yeah they are a pain 
in the ass but once they work they work. And I have a personal contact at 
headquarters who can make things happen for me.  So I'm biased towards them)

Visi - So far I have had no problem with them at all.  They will drop now and
again but most of my clients are happy with them  (I have done probably 12+ 
setups with visi)

ISD (Another smaller local company, who for the most part is pretty solid)

Megapath - See Telocity

Bitstream - I have only done 3 setups with Bitstream.  A few config problems 
here and there but no downtime as of yet.

RoadRunner is just starting to offer a business clas Cable service.  I don't 
think it is availiable in residential area's (Unless you twist some arms)  






On Monday 26 March 2001 14:56, you wrote:
> Is Telocity offering a good deal? Are they a good/dependable provider?
>
> >>> natecars@REAL-TIME.COM 03/26/01 02:20PM >>>
>
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
> > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> > services like www.dyndns.org
>
> eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
>
> I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> prefer to follow RFC.
>
> I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.

-- 


-----------------------------
|\/|ike@GetBent.net

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 16:37:38 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it would give me a
list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this anymore.  Does
anyone know how I can get this list?

Jay

From kethry at winternet.com  Mon Mar 26 16:41:20 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103261640200.25832-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

**chuckle** and how many people in IT live in your neighborhood ;)...we
have roadrunner now, and we've been more than a little happy with the
speeds (and the fact that we're not losing connectivity all the time like
we were with Flashcom IDSL) 

Liz Burke-Scovill

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Jamie Seeman wrote:

> That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the weekend.
> Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot higher
> then 56K.:)
> I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
> depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the net
> are on your node.
> 
> --
> Jamie Seeman
> Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> 651.628.5420
> 
> 
> 
> Nate Carlson wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
> > > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> > > services like www.dyndns.org
> >
> > eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
> >
> > I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> > prefer to follow RFC.
> >
> > I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
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> 
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> Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> 651.628.5420
> 
> 
> 
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 26 16:56:46 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <000e01c0b648$08e0e1b0$0100a8c0@cascade>

I am getting a bad feeling that Covad may not last long.  QWest is giving me
a hard time when I ask them to hook me back up.  They say I don't qualify
even though I had them before and I currently have 1.5Mbps/384Kbps service
from Covad now.  Morons.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Johnson" <Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> Is Telocity offering a good deal? Are they a good/dependable provider?
>
> >>> natecars@REAL-TIME.COM 03/26/01 02:20PM >>>
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a
good
> > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
> > services like www.dyndns.org
>
> eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
>
> I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> prefer to follow RFC.
>
> I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 26 16:58:46 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1> <01032615543600.00262@Dingo>
Message-ID: <001901c0b648$4fed82c0$0100a8c0@cascade>

NO -- I am quite sure he was not connected via Northpoint (which is who AT&T
purchased).  He is probably using Telocity with Covad.  In any case, AT&T
did not buy any of the ISP components or its customers.  Just hardware in
the COs.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nielsen" <mike@getbent.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> Telocity just got baought out by AT&T or at least part of their backbone
did.
> Some customers are getting notice of termination of service from around
> the Twin Cities area.
>
> To be honest with you, if you need a decent reliable providor for DSL and
> whatnot in the Twin Cities area your best bets are companies like
>
> Qwest (I have installed well over 30+ setups with them, yeah they are a
pain
> in the ass but once they work they work. And I have a personal contact at
> headquarters who can make things happen for me.  So I'm biased towards
them)
>
> Visi - So far I have had no problem with them at all.  They will drop now
and
> again but most of my clients are happy with them  (I have done probably
12+
> setups with visi)
>
> ISD (Another smaller local company, who for the most part is pretty solid)
>
> Megapath - See Telocity
>
> Bitstream - I have only done 3 setups with Bitstream.  A few config
problems
> here and there but no downtime as of yet.
>
> RoadRunner is just starting to offer a business clas Cable service.  I
don't
> think it is availiable in residential area's (Unless you twist some arms)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday 26 March 2001 14:56, you wrote:
> > Is Telocity offering a good deal? Are they a good/dependable provider?
> >
> > >>> natecars@REAL-TIME.COM 03/26/01 02:20PM >>>
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a
good
> > > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip
dns
> > > services like www.dyndns.org
> >
> > eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
> >
> > I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> > prefer to follow RFC.
> >
> > I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
>
> --
>
>
> -----------------------------
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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 17:49:18 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <01032615543600.00262@Dingo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261746220.6717-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote:
> Telocity just got baought out by AT&T or at least part of their backbone did.
> Some customers are getting notice of termination of service from around
> the Twin Cities area.

Northpoint did; they went bankrupt. Some of Telocity's lines were over
NorthPoint.

> To be honest with you, if you need a decent reliable providor for DSL and
> whatnot in the Twin Cities area your best bets are companies like
>
> Qwest (I have installed well over 30+ setups with them, yeah they are a pain
> in the ass but once they work they work. And I have a personal contact at
> headquarters who can make things happen for me.  So I'm biased towards them)

Can't get it; if I could, I'd be set up with Qwest copper and Real Time as
the ISP.

> Visi - So far I have had no problem with them at all.  They will drop now and
> again but most of my clients are happy with them  (I have done probably 12+
> setups with visi)

Can't get it because I can't get Qwest DSL.

> ISD (Another smaller local company, who for the most part is pretty solid)

Ditto.

> Megapath - See Telocity

Haven't worked with them before..

> Bitstream - I have only done 3 setups with Bitstream.  A few config problems
> here and there but no downtime as of yet.

Ditto.

> RoadRunner is just starting to offer a business clas Cable service.  I don't
> think it is availiable in residential area's (Unless you twist some arms)

That sucks.

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 17:50:33 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <001901c0b648$4fed82c0$0100a8c0@cascade>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261749440.6717-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> NO -- I am quite sure he was not connected via Northpoint (which is who AT&T
> purchased).  He is probably using Telocity with Covad.  In any case, AT&T
> did not buy any of the ISP components or its customers.  Just hardware in
> the COs.

Yeah, if you read my original message, I was signed up with a
decent-looking ISP using Northpoint, and cancelled the order because of
Northpoint's buyout.

I'm hooking up with Telocity over Rythyms copper..

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From destef at destef.com  Mon Mar 26 18:04:22 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200103270004.f2R049w20192@destef.com>

I consistently get 1+Mb down and 384Kb up. Up is capped, but rarely
has trouble getting keeping up 384Kb. I've gotten up to 2Mb download
which is also capped at 2Mb.

Although Im sure your mileage may vary based on your service.


At 03:04 PM 3/26/01 -0600, you wrote:
>That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the weekend.
>Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot higher
>then 56K.:)
>I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
>depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the net
>are on your node.
>
>--
>Jamie Seeman
>Secure Computing - Test Engineer
>651.628.5420
>
>
>
>Nate Carlson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
>> > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a good
>> > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
>> > services like www.dyndns.org
>>
>> eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
>>
>> I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
>> prefer to follow RFC.
>>
>> I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
>>
>> --
>> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
>> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> tclug-list mailing list
>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>--
>Jamie Seeman
>Secure Computing - Test Engineer
>651.628.5420
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From destef at destef.com  Mon Mar 26 18:05:33 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C7@mspexch1.office.mkt
 w.net>
Message-ID: <200103270005.f2R05Kw21104@destef.com>

go to network solutions page and there is a web whois. might have
more complex search capabilites.


www.networksolutions.net (or is it .com)?


At 04:37 PM 3/26/01 -0600, you wrote:
>I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it would give me a
>list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this anymore.  Does
>anyone know how I can get this list?
>
>Jay
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 18:37:06 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096CA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I tried that.  They have some stuff, but I still can't seem to get it to
display what I want.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:06 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
> 
> 
> go to network solutions page and there is a web whois. might have
> more complex search capabilites.
> 
> 
> www.networksolutions.net (or is it .com)?
> 
> 
> At 04:37 PM 3/26/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it 
> would give me a
> >list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this 
> anymore.  Does
> >anyone know how I can get this list?
> >
> >Jay
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Mon Mar 26 18:38:45 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010326183845.3d35c656.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:37:38 -0600
"Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> wrote:

> I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it would give me a
> list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this anymore.  Does
> anyone know how I can get this list?
> 
> Jay

Try fwhois, for example: fwhois mn-linux.org@whois.networksolutions.com

-Jay Jarvinen

From sgrobe at mn.rr.com  Mon Mar 26 18:55:46 2001
From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?) warning RANT and OT
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <0003807295182a85_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>

My experience has been similar.  I don't upload a lot so I don't monitor the 
speed, 5MB of website space doesn't get you too far, but I have had downloads 
as fast as 208kB/s.  That is 208 kBytes per second which translates to nearly 
1.7 Mega bits per second.   It's not usually that fast but most of the time 
if I connect to a hot server with a good pipe I average about 150kB/s or 
1.2Mb/s.   Not too shabby for less than $40 a month. (Not much less.)

I know this because I have been trying to get linux back up and running since 
I ?upgraded? to a MSI MB running dual PIII 733's.   Lots of multidisk ISO 
downloads for different distro's.  Keep getting seg faults during 
install...but that's another story.  Both BeOS and QNX boot just fine but I 
had to do a repair on Win2K and linux (multi distro's) got part way through 
boot and just stick, I think it's a memory thing. (If I weren't such a newbie 
it would probably be working by now.)

I guess it's time to scrub the drive and start over from scratch.   Maybe I 
will try "Potato" again since most of you guys really seem to like it.   Now 
I have plans for the weekend:

4 A.M. Saturday fdisk HD. (I'm an early riser)
4:30 A.M. Install Win2K (gotta have it for work, and windows will stomp on 
the mbr anyway)
8:30 A.M. swear I will pee on uncle Bill's grave after f***ing around with 
drivers/reboots/networking for hours
8:35 A.M. Have a cup of coffee, better if it's of the Irish variety
9:00 A.M. start installing BeOS (it's my fallback when everything else fails, 
and the bootloader rocks)
9:20 A.M. finish installing BeOS upgrades and start installing QNX
10:20 A.M finish QNX install, add it to Be bootloader
10:30 A.M. pour first drink, hell it's noon somewhere
10:31 A.M. start "Potato" install, save the fun stuff for last
12:01 P.M. finish setting up linux and smile, job well done.
12:15 P.M. start another pot of Irish coffee, maybe skip the coffee, and for 
god sake eat something
2:00 P.M. to 2 A.M. thrive in the glow of some functional linux, start 
learning BASH scripting
4 A.M. Sunday post to the group how things worked.  (again I'm an early 
riser)

Note to to the humor impaired:
Everything after "I guess...." is really, well maybe, a joke.  I'll let you 
know on Sunday.  :-P

I warned you it was O.T.
 
SG, O.S.D.



>That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the 
weekend.
>Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot higher
>then 56K.:)
>I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
>depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the 
net
>are on your node.
>
>--
>Jamie Seeman
>Secure Computing - Test Engineer
>651.628.5420
>
>
>
>Nate Carlson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
>> > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a 
good
>> > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip dns
>> > services like www.dyndns.org
>>
>> eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
>>
>> I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
>> prefer to follow RFC.
>>
>> I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
>>
>> --
>> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
>> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> tclug-list mailing list
>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>--
>Jamie Seeman
>Secure Computing - Test Engineer
>651.628.5420
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Mar 26 19:12:07 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261749440.6717-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <001001c0b65a$f1706240$0100a8c0@cascade>

I am amazed that you are getting a decent speed via Rythms at a decent price
:)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > NO -- I am quite sure he was not connected via Northpoint (which is who
AT&T
> > purchased).  He is probably using Telocity with Covad.  In any case,
AT&T
> > did not buy any of the ISP components or its customers.  Just hardware
in
> > the COs.
>
> Yeah, if you read my original message, I was signed up with a
> decent-looking ISP using Northpoint, and cancelled the order because of
> Northpoint's buyout.
>
> I'm hooking up with Telocity over Rythyms copper..
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From pc451 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 19:29:22 2001
From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trying again...
Message-ID: <20010327012922.29937.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>

   I appreciate all the responses to my previous query. However, no one
has answered my original question: is it possible to redirect calls for
dotfiles in my home directory to another directory? I understand that
most of you are fine with millions of dotfiles filling up your home
directory. That's cool. But I would really appreciate the ability to
keep all those files in another directory, so that when I use a
program, I don't have to scroll through miles of hidden directories.
First one that comes to mind is mtv: when I go to open a file, there
are all those hidden directories. In other words, this is not just a
matter of what options get tacked to the end of ls! Not every program
hides them like the Gnome and KDE open file dialog.
   So, to recap: is there something that will redirect calls? For
instance, say program foo wants to open up ~/.bar. The call is
intercepted and the call changed to ~/dotfiles/.bar. Sort of like
symbolic links without the actual link. Is this possible? Can some
program run in the background and handle this? That's all I want to
know.
   Thanks again,
   :Peter

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From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 20:17:43 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <001001c0b65a$f1706240$0100a8c0@cascade>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103262016340.26995-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> I am amazed that you are getting a decent speed via Rythms at a decent price
> :)

As I am. I asked "who's the clec", fully expecting to hear "covad", and
then he said "Rythms." I was like, "cool!"  :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500




From natecars at real-time.com  Mon Mar 26 20:18:48 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096C7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103262018270.26995-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it would give me a
> list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this anymore.  Does
> anyone know how I can get this list?

whois server <nic_handle_of_your_dns_server>

is the easiest way i know of..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From sos at zjod.net  Mon Mar 26 20:23:58 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trying again...
In-Reply-To: <20010327012922.29937.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> from "Peter Clark" at Mar 26, 2001 05:29:22 PM
Message-ID: <200103270223.UAA13592@zjod.net>

Yes, by using symbolic and/or hard links.  Read up on "ln" versus
"ln -s" (ln (1)) and, if you program, on fstat(2), lstat(2), link(2)
and unlink(2).

Hope this helps'idly,

-S

Peter Clark wrote:
> 
>    I appreciate all the responses to my previous query. However, no one
> has answered my original question: is it possible to redirect calls for
> dotfiles in my home directory to another directory? I understand that
> most of you are fine with millions of dotfiles filling up your home
> directory. That's cool. But I would really appreciate the ability to
> keep all those files in another directory, so that when I use a
> program, I don't have to scroll through miles of hidden directories.
> First one that comes to mind is mtv: when I go to open a file, there
> are all those hidden directories. In other words, this is not just a
> matter of what options get tacked to the end of ls! Not every program
> hides them like the Gnome and KDE open file dialog.
>    So, to recap: is there something that will redirect calls? For
> instance, say program foo wants to open up ~/.bar. The call is
> intercepted and the call changed to ~/dotfiles/.bar. Sort of like
> symbolic links without the actual link. Is this possible? Can some
> program run in the background and handle this? That's all I want to
> know.
>    Thanks again,
>    :Peter
> 

From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Mar 26 21:17:59 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE, DHCP, dhclient, YaST
In-Reply-To: <20010326200449.13575.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net>; from jack@jacku.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 14:04:49 -0600
References: <20010326200449.13575.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20010326211759.E854@coder>

SuSE 6.3, with YAST1.  The box is not big enough for X.

No I can't bring up the second card (eth1 is the external interface),
partly because I can't find decent documentation on how to do that.  How
do you do that with dhclient?  I can find all kinds of stuff on dhcpcd,
but since I don't do much with the box, I'd prefer to keep all mgmt
within Yast if I can (avoiding editing scripts if I can help it).  If
not, then for as often as I boot the box, I don't care if Yast/SuSE can
never bring up the interface on boot, I just need it working.  

I know it's doable, and with static IP, it's cake, but I'm losing my
static IP in a few days and going with RR.  It looks like it's supposed
to work, but my bash skills are light, so I don't know if I'm reading
the scripts correctly.  Would you be able to give me an example of
bringing up the interface manually?

Thanks for any help,

  - Dave


On 2001.03.26 14:04:49 -0600 jack@jacku.com wrote:
> Which version of SuSE are you using? I've got DHCP working with an
> AT&T Broadband Cable Modem and SuSE 7.0 Pro.
> 
> Are you managing with YAST1 or YAST2? If you're not using YAST1 I
> recommend that. Can you manually bring up the second ethernet card? On
> the older SuSE versions (Pre 6.3) if you opted for DHCP it only
> allowed you to configure the one card in YAST. On my current system I
> took a manual activation of the second ethernet card before YAST found
> it and now it restarts on bootup just fine. (Of course its been up
> since November so I think that's right. ;-)
> 
> FWIW what you want to do is doable.
> 
> Jack
> 
> On Sun, 25 March 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:
-- 
Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From jamie at getsetnet.net  Mon Mar 26 21:27:36 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103262126370.28196-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>




 I was wondering if anyone has
done this already or if it would be impossible. Say you got a network of
10 hosts on a subnet going to a router. As it stands now we transmit to
all the hosts on the subnet simultaneously and this increases traffic on
an ethernet network. We know this slows things down a bit in some cases
because each host is competing for "time" on the network. Is it possible
to modulate each of the hosts's transmissions on the subnet so that each
host is transmitting at a different frequency on the same line? If you
could do that, all the hosts could talk at the same time to the router
without signals bumping into one another if they are all talking at a
different frequency. Wouldn't this significantly increase the amount of
speed that a host could operate on if we didn't have to worry about
contention?


      - Jamie





-- 

   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."






From lcgreenwald at usfamily.net  Mon Mar 26 15:48:15 2001
From: lcgreenwald at usfamily.net (Larry Greenwald)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Masochism ;p
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150319290.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103150319290.3755-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <01032615481503.18537@seelzar.wb0sio.org>

Have a look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org

On Thursday 15 March 2001 03:22, you wrote:
> So I decided it would be a good idea to build a linux system from scratch
> on my spare partition. (Don't ask.) So, in order to build all the basics
> of the system (bash, kernel, init, etc.) I need a chroot'ed environment in
> which to work. My question is, should it work for me to just install a
> statically linked BusyBox and GCC, and then chroot and start building the
> basics from there?
>
> Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
> Kevin R. Bullock
>
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From destef at destef.com  Mon Mar 26 21:50:19 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103262126370.28196-100000@floyd.getsetnet.n
 et>
Message-ID: <200103270350.f2R3oEw05219@destef.com>

interesting idea except that 10 1Mb lines with their own wave slice
would have a "worse feel" than 1 10Mb line shared by 10 machines.
Due do random statictics theory not all machines will xmit at the
same time say 90% of the time. That means that the 1 machine
that needs to borrow the other bandwidth can do so.

Ethernet is all about statistical randomness and works because
it uses randomness to its advantage. 10Mb ethernet can take
an extreme beating of traffic and still function with very good
responsiveness because even if the line it maxed at near 100%
the back-off ethernet algorithm when a collision happens will
ensure that even the infrequent talkers get just as much of a
chance to get their packet on the network as the machines
eating up all the traffic with heavy loads.

Iv'e seen 500+ machines on a flat 10Mb segment (collision
domain) with that many college kids copying warez and porn
day and night and the performance is still extremely good.
perhaps latency of 10-15ms to talk to other nodes on the
segment under extreme loads and many hosts condending
for a space on the line. On a 10Mb line an extra 15ms in
delay may mean many transmit delays (deferred transmits)
to send the packet but to us is still very good response.

Also remember, collisons are NOT bad. They never cause
lost packets because the nic will always re-send the packet. All
it causes is a delay of sub-millisecond time. And unless your
10Mb segment is at about 85% or higher utilization a packet
which causes a collision will probably only have to be tried
once or twice more before being sucessful adding about
1-2ms if that.

Most of the time when we claim that our network is performing
bad because its over utilized its because we are dealing
with apps that were written poorly to handle different traffic
patterns. They do things like time out too soon or retransmit
too quickly or too often and get themselves all
confused. (eh hem...MS apps?) And broadcast
storms?....a thing of the past. Most currently used protocols
dont do much broadcasting anymore to the point where it could
kill a segment...although i will point a small finger at MS
and netbios again.

Cheers


At 09:27 PM 3/26/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone has
>done this already or if it would be impossible. Say you got a network of
>10 hosts on a subnet going to a router. As it stands now we transmit to
>all the hosts on the subnet simultaneously and this increases traffic on
>an ethernet network. We know this slows things down a bit in some cases
>because each host is competing for "time" on the network. Is it possible
>to modulate each of the hosts's transmissions on the subnet so that each
>host is transmitting at a different frequency on the same line? If you
>could do that, all the hosts could talk at the same time to the router
>without signals bumping into one another if they are all talking at a
>different frequency. Wouldn't this significantly increase the amount of
>speed that a host could operate on if we didn't have to worry about
>contention?
>
>
>      - Jamie
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Mar 26 21:57:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096CB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> whois server <nic_handle_of_your_dns_server>

Well, some of the domains haven't been touched in some time, and I'm not
sure of the dns servers for all of them.  Doh.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:19 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
> 
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > I used to be able to just type my name into whois and it 
> would give me a
> > list of domains owned by me.  It doens't work like this 
> anymore.  Does
> > anyone know how I can get this list?
> 
> whois server <nic_handle_of_your_dns_server>
> 
> is the easiest way i know of..
> 
> -- 
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From jack at jacku.com  Mon Mar 26 22:25:33 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE, DHCP, dhclient, YaST
In-Reply-To: <20010326211759.E854@coder>
References: <20010326200449.13575.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> <20010326211759.E854@coder>
Message-ID: <01032622253300.01218@geezer>

For some reason I thought that the version of YaST1 with 6.3 had the auto IP 
on an interface by interface basis. Are your two cards the same? If so that's 
probably the issue.  I think YaST can get confused if you have two of the 
same card.  One thing to do is make the DHCP interface eth0 if possible. I 
know on 6.2 that made life a lot easier. eth0 came up on boot with the 
dhclient and then I stuck the following in the init stream as seteth1.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
#! /bin/bash
 
/sbin/ifconfig eth1 inet netmask 255.255.255.0 up 192.168.1.1
/sbin/route add -net jack-net                                              
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This brought up my internal network card and added the route for my internal 
network. I functioned for the better part of a year in Duluth using this 
method.  I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions.

Good Luck,
Jack



On Monday 26 March 2001 21:17, you wrote:
> SuSE 6.3, with YAST1.  The box is not big enough for X.
>
> No I can't bring up the second card (eth1 is the external interface),
> partly because I can't find decent documentation on how to do that.  How
> do you do that with dhclient?  I can find all kinds of stuff on dhcpcd,
> but since I don't do much with the box, I'd prefer to keep all mgmt
> within Yast if I can (avoiding editing scripts if I can help it).  If
> not, then for as often as I boot the box, I don't care if Yast/SuSE can
> never bring up the interface on boot, I just need it working.
>
> I know it's doable, and with static IP, it's cake, but I'm losing my
> static IP in a few days and going with RR.  It looks like it's supposed
> to work, but my bash skills are light, so I don't know if I'm reading
> the scripts correctly.  Would you be able to give me an example of
> bringing up the interface manually?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
>   - Dave

From jack at jacku.com  Mon Mar 26 22:29:40 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trying again...
In-Reply-To: <20010327012922.29937.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010327012922.29937.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01032622294001.01218@geezer>

I'd suspect not on a global basis. On a program by program basis you may be 
able to set some environment variable that points to the dotfile directory. 
You'll have to explore the man pages for each program you want to move the 
dotfiles for.

Good Luck.
Jack

On Monday 26 March 2001 19:29, you wrote:
> I appreciate all the responses to my previous query. However, no one
> has answered my original question: is it possible to redirect calls for
> dotfiles in my home directory to another directory? I understand that
> most of you are fine with millions of dotfiles filling up your home
> directory. That's cool. But I would really appreciate the ability to
> keep all those files in another directory, so that when I use a
> program, I don't have to scroll through miles of hidden directories.
> First one that comes to mind is mtv: when I go to open a file, there
> are all those hidden directories. In other words, this is not just a
> matter of what options get tacked to the end of ls! Not every program
> hides them like the Gnome and KDE open file dialog.
>    So, to recap: is there something that will redirect calls? For
> instance, say program foo wants to open up ~/.bar. The call is
> intercepted and the call changed to ~/dotfiles/.bar. Sort of like
> symbolic links without the actual link. Is this possible? Can some
> program run in the background and handle this? That's all I want to
> know.
>    Thanks again,
>
>    :Peter
>
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From dmonie at futurestat.com  Tue Mar 27 03:56:54 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327034917.009e9480@pop.goldengate.net>

Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my problem, I need to borrow a 
set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone would be so kind to lend me 
their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will return them at the next 
meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North of Benchmack (our 
meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them up if you are in the area.

-Dileep


>Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat install
>
>I'm currently trying to setup a dual boot RedHat7.0/Win98SE system. I'm 
>using CD-Rs that were burned with the TCLUG FTP isos. The disc failed to 
>boot at the InstallFest, so Bob was kind enough to send me another burned 
>with a fresh iso. Again I'm having the same problem; however they seem to 
>boot fine on Bob's system. I was able to get my Caldera and Slackware 
>distro CDs to load properly (along with a borrowed RedHat disc at the 
>InstallFest), so it isn't my BIOS settings. I also tried launching 
>autoboot.bat and rawrite.exe from DOS but, like all good MS products, my 
>system freezes. Any suggestions?
>
>-Dileep
>
>P.S. If nobody can answer my question, I'd like to borrow a working set of 
>RedHat 7.0 CDs from someone. I would be happy to return them to you at the 
>next meeting.


From jwanderson at uswest.net  Tue Mar 27 04:34:27 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327034917.009e9480@pop.goldengate.net>
Message-ID: <200103271034.f2RAYUl25026@sprite.real-time.com>

I am a couple of miles east of Benchmark & could let you try mine.  
Contact me off list,

Jay



On 27 Mar 01, at 3:56, Dileep Monie wrote:

> Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my problem, I need to borrow a 
> set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone would be so kind to lend me 
> their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will return them at the next 
> meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North of Benchmack (our 
> meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them up if you are in the area.
> 


From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Tue Mar 27 07:15:27 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327034917.009e9480@pop.goldengate.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327034917.009e9480@pop.goldengate.net>
Message-ID: <20010327071527.1c48072b.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:

> Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my problem, I need to borrow a 
> set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone would be so kind to lend me 
> their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will return them at the next 
> meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North of Benchmack (our 
> meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them up if you are in the area.
> 
> -Dileep

Maybe I missed something .... why not make floppies and save yourself a trip?

-Jay J

From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Mar 27 08:01:56 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327034917.009e9480@pop.goldengate.net> <20010327071527.1c48072b.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <008101c0b6c6$7c56ff70$3028680a@tgt.com>

It could take a very long time to install over FTP on an analog modem.
Assuming as much.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay J" <jay-tclug@3pound.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs


> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
> Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
>
> > Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my problem, I need to
borrow a
> > set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone would be so kind to lend
me
> > their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will return them at the next
> > meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North of Benchmack (our
> > meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them up if you are in the
area.
> >
> > -Dileep
>
> Maybe I missed something .... why not make floppies and save yourself a
trip?
>
> -Jay J
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jeff at digitalguy.net  Tue Mar 27 10:08:35 2001
From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey C. Lehman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327080141.00ae46c8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

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Last night a friend directed me to amazon where I bought 3 256MB sticks of 
RAM for $35 and 1 1GB stick of RAM for $25....

3 "Viking PC13332X72-CL2 256MB ECC PC133 DIMM CL2"
Electronics; @ $9.99 each
Usually available in 1-2 weeks

1 "Viking PC100128X72R-CL3 1GB ECC PC100 Registered DIMM CL3"
Electronics; @ $19.99 each
Usually available in 1-2 weeks

Obviously this was a mistake by amazon as the price on the 256 went up to
$329 and the price on the 1GB went up to $999.99.

Has anyone been in this sort of situation? I assume Amazon has some 
loophole where they can take back their orders; or am I actually going to 
get my ram?


Jeff Lehman

Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net
Email: jeff@digitalguy.net

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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue Mar 27 08:33:22 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Trying again...
In-Reply-To: <200103270223.UAA13592@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:23:58PM -0600
References: <20010327012922.29937.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <200103270223.UAA13592@zjod.net>
Message-ID: <20010327083322.A21770@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:23:58PM -0600, Steve Siegfried wrote:
> Peter Clark wrote:
> >    So, to recap: is there something that will redirect calls? For
> > instance, say program foo wants to open up ~/.bar. The call is
> > intercepted and the call changed to ~/dotfiles/.bar. Sort of like
> > symbolic links without the actual link. Is this possible? Can some
> > program run in the background and handle this? That's all I want to 
> > know.
> 
> Yes, by using symbolic and/or hard links.  Read up on "ln" versus
> "ln -s" (ln (1)) and, if you program, on fstat(2), lstat(2), link(2)
> and unlink(2).

Well, that wouldn't really help with what he's looking for because
the linked file would still be a dotfile in his home directory. So,
yes he would be able to put link copies (symbolic or hard) of
dotfiles in one directory, but he would still have versions in
his home directory (which he doesn't want).

Anyway, I don't see a good answer to Peter's question, but I have 
some ideas (listed in order of decreasing usefullness).

0. Periodically delete dotfiles of programs you don't use
often or anymore.  If you haven't customized the settings,
it won't hurt the program to remake its dotfile if you
ever happen to run it again.

1. Submit wishlist bugs against programs that won't hide
dotfiles in their file listings. Or better yet submit patches
to fix the problem.

2. Give up on your home directory. Just leave dotfiles and
any directories that are needed by your programs in home. Move
all of your other directories and files somewhere else -
say /home/foo/home.  Then set things up so that your automatic
starting directory is /home/foo/home.

3. Write the program your talking about that intercepts the calls
to dotfiles.  My naive guess is that this would be a huge pain.
I think from your description that you might have to write
a kernel module since you would be playing with low-level file
system stuff.  Anyway, it sounds painful.

Anyway, this probably isn't much help, but there it is anyway.

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 27 09:14:08 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
In-Reply-To: <01032615543600.00262@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 03:54:36PM -0600
References: <sabf58c8.040@mdh-gw1> <01032615543600.00262@Dingo>
Message-ID: <20010327091408.I21084@ringworld.org>

* Mike Nielsen <mike@getbent.net> [010326 16:12]:
> RoadRunner is just starting to offer a business clas Cable service.  I don't 
> think it is availiable in residential area's (Unless you twist some arms)  

At least I dont have to compete with businesses to get 'service'. :)

With ISD, they didn't want to fix their dialup problems a couple years
back because we were 'just dialup users'.  There was a couple techs on
the 'inside' who were trying to fix things up, but nothing ever
congeled, and my calls to tech support were never really answered.  They
had busy signals too.  I think they just oversell for the user who
doesn't even know the difference between 'select' and 'deluxe' dsl :)

-- 
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 27 09:36:09 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103262126370.28196-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103270926330.14685-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

> Is it possible to modulate each of the hosts's transmissions on the
> subnet so that each host is transmitting at a different frequency on
> the same line? If you could do that, all the hosts could talk at the
> same time to the router without signals bumping into one another if
> they are all talking at a different frequency. Wouldn't this
> significantly increase the amount of speed that a host could operate
> on if we didn't have to worry about contention?

There's no free lunch; what you suggest (if I understand correctly) is
trading time slices of a broadband transmission for frequency slices of a
time-continuous transmission.  I think the horses mouth here would 
be Shannon and those old chestnuts.  

Thing is, each host would have limited bandwidth.  You'd have to make sure
that in doing so, each host had all the bandwidth that it previously had
before, which means designing a new transmission system with higher
bandwidth than you had previously.  There's no difference between a
transmission system that goes faster and one that goes wider -- think of
it as an area problem.  Pulling on one side shortens the other.

Anyway, now you're getting back into analog electronics -- impedances,
freq response, etc...  Fun stuff, but not really what you were hoping to
do, I think.

HTH,
Phil M

-- 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 09:57:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096CB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270956350.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > whois server <nic_handle_of_your_dns_server>
>
> Well, some of the domains haven't been touched in some time, and I'm not
> sure of the dns servers for all of them.  Doh.

There's also a option somehwere on the NSI web site to do a "contact
search" that will send a list of all domains to the contact's e-mail
address.. it takes a couple days for them to process, though.  :(

if you can't find it, let me know, and I'll dig..

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 09:58:58 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327080141.00ae46c8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270958460.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jeffrey C. Lehman wrote:
> Last night a friend directed me to amazon where I bought 3 256MB sticks of
> RAM for $35 and 1 1GB stick of RAM for $25....
>
> 3 "Viking PC13332X72-CL2 256MB ECC PC133 DIMM CL2"
> Electronics; @ $9.99 each
> Usually available in 1-2 weeks
>
> 1 "Viking PC100128X72R-CL3 1GB ECC PC100 Registered DIMM CL3"
> Electronics; @ $19.99 each
> Usually available in 1-2 weeks

I'll give you $200 for this. :)

> Obviously this was a mistake by amazon as the price on the 256 went up to
> $329 and the price on the 1GB went up to $999.99.
>
> Has anyone been in this sort of situation? I assume Amazon has some
> loophole where they can take back their orders; or am I actually going to
> get my ram?


-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue Mar 27 10:17:50 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270958460.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 09:58:58AM -0600
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327080141.00ae46c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270958460.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010327101750.J21084@ringworld.org>

    *  If an item's correct price is lower than our stated price, we
    *  charge the lower amount and ship you the item.
        * If an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we
        * will, at our discretion, either contact you for instructions
        * before shipping or cancel your order and notify you of such
        * cancellation.



        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/468502/002-7775604-8785636

* Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> [010327 10:14]:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jeffrey C. Lehman wrote:
> > Last night a friend directed me to amazon where I bought 3 256MB sticks of
> > RAM for $35 and 1 1GB stick of RAM for $25....
> >
> > 3 "Viking PC13332X72-CL2 256MB ECC PC133 DIMM CL2"
> > Electronics; @ $9.99 each
> > Usually available in 1-2 weeks
> >
> > 1 "Viking PC100128X72R-CL3 1GB ECC PC100 Registered DIMM CL3"
> > Electronics; @ $19.99 each
> > Usually available in 1-2 weeks
> 
> I'll give you $200 for this. :)
> 
> > Obviously this was a mistake by amazon as the price on the 256 went up to
> > $329 and the price on the 1GB went up to $999.99.
> >
> > Has anyone been in this sort of situation? I assume Amazon has some
> > loophole where they can take back their orders; or am I actually going to
> > get my ram?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
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From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 12:39:37 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <20010327071527.1c48072b.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <20010327183937.97254.qmail@web9609.mail.yahoo.com>

Just go to Redhats site from a different computer and
download the image for 7.0.  Get a cdburner from
Bestbuy and make them.  Problem solved...


--- Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
> Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my
> problem, I need to borrow a 
> > set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone
> would be so kind to lend me 
> > their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will
> return them at the next 
> > meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles
> North of Benchmack (our 
> > meeting location), so I would be happy to pick
> them up if you are in the area.
> > 
> > -Dileep
> 
> Maybe I missed something .... why not make floppies
> and save yourself a trip?
> 
> -Jay J
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 27 13:12:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096DD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

cheapbytes.com has them for $1.79 or something like that.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dagastino [mailto:scottdagastino@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:40 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
> 
> 
> Just go to Redhats site from a different computer and
> download the image for 7.0.  Get a cdburner from
> Bestbuy and make them.  Problem solved...
> 
> 
> --- Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
> > Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my
> > problem, I need to borrow a 
> > > set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone
> > would be so kind to lend me 
> > > their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will
> > return them at the next 
> > > meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles
> > North of Benchmack (our 
> > > meeting location), so I would be happy to pick
> > them up if you are in the area.
> > > 
> > > -Dileep
> > 
> > Maybe I missed something .... why not make floppies
> > and save yourself a trip?
> > 
> > -Jay J
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> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
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From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Tue Mar 27 14:18:56 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] finding list of domains owned by me
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270956350.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096CB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.31.0103270956350.26463-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010327141856.26d4e5a1.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:57:13 -0600 (CST)
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > whois server <nic_handle_of_your_dns_server>
> >
> > Well, some of the domains haven't been touched in some time, and I'm not
> > sure of the dns servers for all of them.  Doh.
> 
> There's also a option somehwere on the NSI web site to do a "contact
> search" that will send a list of all domains to the contact's e-mail
> address.. it takes a couple days for them to process, though.  :(
> 
> if you can't find it, let me know, and I'll dig..


Also you might check out: http://geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi

-Jay J

From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Tue Mar 27 14:24:45 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327080141.00ae46c8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327080141.00ae46c8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20010327142445.4fee1a2f.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:08:35 -0800
"Jeffrey C. Lehman" <jeff@digitalguy.net> wrote:


> Obviously this was a mistake by amazon as the price on the 256 went up to
> $329 and the price on the 1GB went up to $999.99.
> 
> Has anyone been in this sort of situation? I assume Amazon has some 
> loophole where they can take back their orders; or am I actually going to 
> get my ram?
> 
> 
> Jeff Lehman

Good luck :)

BTW jazztechnology.com usually has excellent deals on RAM (ignore the '1 per customer' note).  When in doubt start at: http://www.pricewatch.com

-Jay J

From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 14:43:03 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
In-Reply-To: <20010327142445.4fee1a2f.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103271442340.1725-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jay J wrote:
> Good luck :)
>
> BTW jazztechnology.com usually has excellent deals on RAM (ignore the '1 per customer' note).  When in doubt start at: http://www.pricewatch.com

I buy all my memory from www.crucial.com.. true Micron memory made by
Micron; good prices..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From duncan at sodatrain.com  Tue Mar 27 15:17:28 2001
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] any news about redhat 7.1?
In-Reply-To: <20010327141856.26d4e5a1.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103271614400.19610-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>

has anyone seen anything about the releases of RH 7.1 other than the two
beta releases they did?  Thoes seem to come out quickly, and its been a
spell since the last (wolverine?)

duncan


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 27 15:15:12 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096E0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Tran Micro (www.tranmicro.com) on University Ave by the U of MN has Micron
256MB PC133 CAS2 for $59 a stick (at least that's what it was 2 weeks ago,
it keeps dropping).  I bought some, it's a sweet price, AND it's CAS2.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay J [mailto:jay-tclug@3pound.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:25 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
> 
> 
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:08:35 -0800
> "Jeffrey C. Lehman" <jeff@digitalguy.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Obviously this was a mistake by amazon as the price on the 
> 256 went up to
> > $329 and the price on the 1GB went up to $999.99.
> > 
> > Has anyone been in this sort of situation? I assume Amazon has some 
> > loophole where they can take back their orders; or am I 
> actually going to 
> > get my ram?
> > 
> > 
> > Jeff Lehman
> 
> Good luck :)
> 
> BTW jazztechnology.com usually has excellent deals on RAM 
> (ignore the '1 per customer' note).  When in doubt start at: 
http://www.pricewatch.com

-Jay J
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Tue Mar 27 15:36:25 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
Message-ID: <sac0b396.066@mdh-gw1>

Another good place for memory:

http://www.memoryplace.com/

>>> natecars@real-time.com 03/27/01 02:43PM >>>
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jay J wrote:
> Good luck :)
>
> BTW jazztechnology.com usually has excellent deals on RAM (ignore the '1 per customer' note).  When in doubt start at: http://www.pricewatch.com 

I buy all my memory from www.crucial.com.. true Micron memory made by
Micron; good prices..

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500


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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Tue Mar 27 15:40:52 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
In-Reply-To: <20010327101750.J21084@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103271533030.7620-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

>         * If an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we
>         * will, at our discretion, either contact you for instructions
>         * before shipping or cancel your order and notify you of such
>         * cancellation.

Wouldn't "correct price higher than its stated price" go by another name
of "bait and switch"?  Last I heard, that was illegal.  Anyway, I wouldn't
buy anything from Amazon.  Even if they were the last bookstore on earth
and I really needed an O'reily book.

Anyway, if it were me and I didn't get my RAM for that price, I'd raise a
stink with the BBB.

-Brian





From dmonie at futurestat.com  Tue Mar 27 16:07:23 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <200103271447.f2RElWl29593@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327155003.009e8570@lenti.med.umn.edu>

I'm stuck with a 56k until Qwest decides I'm worthy of DSL. :(

Downloading the iso and burning it presents the same time-consuming problem 
as the FTP install.

I'll probably pick-up a copy from cheapbytes.com (or the like), but I'm 
anxious to get it up and running ASAP. This also brings up another 
question: What is the difference between the official RedHat CD release and 
the downloadable iso (aside from the dead-tree manual and tech. support)? 
Isn't the official release also under the GPL (i.e. freely reproducible)? I 
have a copy of the "RedHat 7 Unleashed" by SAMS (from the library) and it 
includes the "unofficial publisher's version" of RedHat; how is this 
different from the official and downloadable versions?

-Dileep


>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:15:27 -0600
>From: Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com>
>
>On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
>Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
>
> > Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my problem, I need to 
> borrow a
> > set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone would be so kind to 
> lend me
> > their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will return them at the next
> > meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North of Benchmack (our
> > meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them up if you are in 
> the area.
> >
> > -Dileep
>
>Maybe I missed something .... why not make floppies and save yourself a trip?
>
>-Jay J


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 16:47:40 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] any news about redhat 7.1?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103271614400.19610-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:17:28PM -0500
References: <20010327141856.26d4e5a1.jay-tclug@3pound.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103271614400.19610-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <20010327164740.J16938@real-time.com>

Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com):
> has anyone seen anything about the releases of RH 7.1 other than the two
> beta releases they did?  Thoes seem to come out quickly, and its been a
> spell since the last (wolverine?)

Same quesion was asked on the official mirror mailing list, It was guised as an
allocation of space issue, but no responses.
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From sgrobe at mn.rr.com  Tue Mar 27 17:08:06 2001
From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103262126370.28196-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <0003808531edd491_mailit@smtp-server.mn.rr.com>

The easiest way I know of to eliminate contention is to go with a switched 
network.
Then all your hosts can babble on full duplex lines and there is no 
contention, back pressure
maybe but no contention. Just make sure that the port going to your router is 
faster than 
the other nodes or you end up with a bottleneck in the line connected to the 
router.

For example if all of your hosts are running at 10Mbit speed (full duplex) 
you would probably 
want your router port to be running at 100Mbit full duplex.  By doing this 
the usable bandwidth
is increased more than you would think because most shared (half duplex) 
ethernet networks
start to break somewhere around 20-30% bandwidth utilization due to tons of 
collisions.

If this doesn't make any sense it's probably because I didn't understand your 
question.
The only way I know of (that you can purchase) to have multiple streams of 
data running
at different frequencies (or wavelengths in this case) is to buy some WDM 
fiber equipment.
But I doubt that you need to move Terabytes per second.

SG, O.S.D.  
>
> I was wondering if anyone has
>done this already or if it would be impossible. Say you got a network of
>10 hosts on a subnet going to a router. As it stands now we transmit to
>all the hosts on the subnet simultaneously and this increases traffic on
>an ethernet network. We know this slows things down a bit in some cases
>because each host is competing for "time" on the network. Is it possible
>to modulate each of the hosts's transmissions on the subnet so that each
>host is transmitting at a different frequency on the same line? If you
>could do that, all the hosts could talk at the same time to the router
>without signals bumping into one another if they are all talking at a
>different frequency. Wouldn't this significantly increase the amount of
>speed that a host could operate on if we didn't have to worry about
>contention?
>
>
>      - Jamie
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."
>
>
>
>
>
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From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Tue Mar 27 17:05:47 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327155003.009e8570@lenti.med.umn.edu>
References: <200103271447.f2RElWl29593@sprite.real-time.com>
	<5.0.2.1.0.20010327155003.009e8570@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010327170547.49b7a37b.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:07:23 -0600
Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:

> I'm stuck with a 56k until Qwest decides I'm worthy of DSL. :(
> 
> Downloading the iso and burning it presents the same time-consuming problem 
> as the FTP install.

No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.

I thought the CD just wouldn't boot -- doesn't work at all? Yikes.

-Jay J

From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 17:22:44 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] rwhoisd tools
Message-ID: <20010327172244.A15891@real-time.com>

I'm experimenting with an rwhoisd server here; does anyone else have any
experience with such things? 

right now I'm looking for a tool to manage creating the records... they're
pretty long and involved; at least with the example schemas that are
provided. there must be *some* tool out there to simplify it.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Mar 27 17:43:18 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096E9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Even if the CD won't boot, you can pop the thing in your windows box and
make a boot floppy using winrawrite.exe or rawrite.exe in the utils
directory and one of the images in the images directory.  You don't need to
actually boot from the CD to install it.  You can boot from the floppy and
still install from the cd.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay J [mailto:jay-tclug@3pound.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
> 
> 
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:07:23 -0600
> Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm stuck with a 56k until Qwest decides I'm worthy of DSL. :(
> > 
> > Downloading the iso and burning it presents the same 
> time-consuming problem 
> > as the FTP install.
> 
> No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.
> 
> I thought the CD just wouldn't boot -- doesn't work at all? Yikes.
> 
> -Jay J
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Mar 27 17:50:29 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh rates
Message-ID: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>

Anyone know of software (or other methods, I suppose) for determining the
refresh rates that a monitor will like, given that documentation is not
given?

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From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Tue Mar 27 17:54:42 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103271442340.1725-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c0b719$4b5e23a0$0200000a@charizard>

.try General Nano Systems, It's on University by Tran Micro.
http://www.nanosys1.com.  I buy my Micron Cas2, PC133 memory there, it's
79.99 right now, shit, was 64.99 a week ago!!!

DH

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Amazon.com mistake


> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jay J wrote:
> > Good luck :)
> >
> > BTW jazztechnology.com usually has excellent deals on RAM (ignore the '1
per customer' note).  When in doubt start at: http://www.pricewatch.com
>
> I buy all my memory from www.crucial.com.. true Micron memory made by
> Micron; good prices..
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Mar 27 18:07:45 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh rates
In-Reply-To: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:50:29PM -0600
References: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010327180745.A23465@real-time.com>

> Anyone know of software (or other methods, I suppose) for determining the
> refresh rates that a monitor will like, given that documentation is not
> given?

I set up a dual-head arrangement; with the monitor I was trying to tune, as
the primary monitor. this way, xvidtune would affect that monitor.

start it up; launch xvidtune; move it to the 'stable' monitor; then push
buttons until things got better or worse. 

take the modeline that it generated; and put it in the XF86Config file.

I worked up a couple of modelines for some crappy NEC MultiSync 2a monitors
this way, one afternoon. I think I posted the modelines and my technique to
the TCLUG list.

there's a couple of web-tools which will give you basic modelines to start
from. (I don't have the URLs handy, sorry).

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu  Tue Mar 27 18:04:44 2001
From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] red-carpet downloads at 64bytes/sec!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10103271802130.15401-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>

Anyone using red-carpet at a decent download speed? I've got
red-carpet-9.2 on Mandrake 7.2 with an ethernet connection (getting over
100k/sec on some sites) but when I run red-carpet to do updates, my
download speed is 64bytes/sec! When I go to preferences to look for mirror
sites, it doesn't find any. I don't think it is ximian's server, since
when I manually download from them via ftp I get good throughput. I've
tried no proxy and proxy through apache's proxy server, no difference.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ben


From bradyh at bitstream.net  Tue Mar 27 19:04:24 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] any news about redhat 7.1?
In-Reply-To: <20010327164740.J16938@real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103271614400.19610-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
 <20010327141856.26d4e5a1.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103271614400.19610-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010327185906.00a69e80@mail.bitstream.net>

Besides ironing out the usual kinks they might be waiting for Gnome 1.4 to 
solidify.  I'm guessing the middle to end of April.

>Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com):
> > has anyone seen anything about the releases of RH 7.1 other than the two
> > beta releases they did?  Thoes seem to come out quickly, and its been a
> > spell since the last (wolverine?)
>
>Same quesion was asked on the official mirror mailing list, It was guised 
>as an
>allocation of space issue, but no responses.
>--
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
~~~~~~~~~~~
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really stupid."
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Mar 27 19:37:37 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Voodoo3 & XFree 4.0
In-Reply-To: Jon Schewe's message of "25 Mar 2001 00:50:10 -0600"
References: <m3zoea1gwt.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <m366guhdwe.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Now on top of this it seems that XFree86 is dying while I'm at work.  When I
look at the xdm-errors log I see that X got signal 4 and exited.  ANy ideas on
debugging?

Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.net> writes:

> Ok, I upgraded my workstation to SuSE 7.1 with XFree86 4.0.  I ran the setup,
> sax2, and enabled hardware acceleration.  The 3D screensavers are _really_
> fast now.  This is a good thing.  However when I switch back to the console I
> can't see much and my keyboard seems to be confused there and I get some funny
> horizontal line working it's way down my screen.  Anybody seen this?
> 
> -- 
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> 
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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 19:48:55 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <200103271447.f2RElWl29593@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010328014855.45837.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

Dileep, 

you have my phone/email if you give me your address i
can send you a copy as soon as i can, this copy has
been known to work on at least 3 diferent machines so
if you are still having problems i would suggest
trying out a diferent CD-ROM drive... maybe your CDROM
cannot handle CD-R/RWs

 -munir

> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:56:54 -0600
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> From: Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Borrowing RedHat installation discs
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Since nobody seems to have any solutions for my
> problem, I need to borrow a 
> set of RedHat v7.0 installation CDs. If someone
> would be so kind to lend me 
> their discs, I will be very appreciative. I will
> return them at the next 
> meeting (or sooner). I live a couple of miles North
> of Benchmack (our 
> meeting location), so I would be happy to pick them
> up if you are in the area.
> 
> -Dileep


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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Mar 27 20:48:55 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh rates
In-Reply-To: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103272046040.29602-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> Anyone know of software (or other methods, I suppose) for determining the
> refresh rates that a monitor will like, given that documentation is not
> given?

Doesn't SuperProbe purport to do that?  My other wise guy suggestions are:

1:	manuals *sometimes* have this.  (Kudos to Dell -- I got a free
17" monitor from the mother-in-laws place of work, and the pinouts for
their funny 15-pin plug and tech specs were not too hard to find on the
web.)

2:	Increase until you let them smoke out, then use the last one that
worked.

Carl's suggestion's probably more helpful.

Cheers,
Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jack at jacku.com  Tue Mar 27 21:06:49 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh rates
In-Reply-To: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>
References: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <01032721064900.01239@geezer>

When we were loading linux on to some "vintage" (ok old...) systems when I 
was teaching up in Duluth I found an online database of monitor spec sheets. 
If you've got an old monitor that might help. If you've got a recent one try 
the mfg. website. Unfortunately I don't have the URL handy but I think we 
found it via Yahoo.

Jack

On Tuesday 27 March 2001 17:50, you wrote:
> Anyone know of software (or other methods, I suppose) for determining the
> refresh rates that a monitor will like, given that documentation is not
> given?

From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net  Tue Mar 27 21:18:29 2001
From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <005001c0b735$f6583720$0239a8c0@Sakura>

I based those numbers on the roadrunner account I had in Hawaii.  I used one
of the test your DSL/Cablemodem upload/download speed tests.  I have seen
the 56K upload referenced in reviews about cablemodem speeds.

Joseph Key

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Seeman" <jamie_seeman@securecomputing.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the
weekend.
> Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot
higher
> then 56K.:)
> I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
> depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the
net
> are on your node.
>
> --
> Jamie Seeman
> Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> 651.628.5420
>
>
>
> Nate Carlson wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a
good
> > > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip
dns
> > > services like www.dyndns.org
> >
> > eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
> >
> > I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> > prefer to follow RFC.
> >
> > I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
> Jamie Seeman
> Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> 651.628.5420
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From simeonuj at eetc.com  Tue Mar 27 23:24:52 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: NEC multisync 3V was(Re: [TCLUG] Refresh rates)
References: <20010327175029.A1867@sherohman.org> <01032721064900.01239@geezer>
Message-ID: <3AC1759D.88282292@eetc.com>

I have this monitor.  I currently use it at 1024x768 and everything works great
except there are sporatic lines through the screen.  They "flicker" in and out
kind of like static.  I was wondering if this could be a frequency problem?
Frequency too high?
Also has anyone had any experience with a screen that "jiggles" when in text
mode?  Right from startup the text jiggles around and really eratates my eyes
and is just a general anoyance ( you wouldn't believe the headache this thing
gives me ), especially since I do a lot of work in text mode.
This is not a linux problem.  It starts as soon as the computer is turned on.
As soon as any graphics are displayed it goes away.  It also only shows up on
the 3V.  I hooked it up to a 19" at work and it looked great.  I also tried 2
different 3V's with exactly the same results.
Just wondering if anyone has any ideas or experienced similar problems with any
type of monitor.

sim

Jack Ungerleider wrote:

> When we were loading linux on to some "vintage" (ok old...) systems when I
> was teaching up in Duluth I found an online database of monitor spec sheets.
> If you've got an old monitor that might help. If you've got a recent one try
> the mfg. website. Unfortunately I don't have the URL handy but I think we
> found it via Yahoo.
>
> Jack
>
> On Tuesday 27 March 2001 17:50, you wrote:
> > Anyone know of software (or other methods, I suppose) for determining the
> > refresh rates that a monitor will like, given that documentation is not
> > given?
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From dmonie at futurestat.com  Wed Mar 28 01:01:55 2001
From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep Monie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <200103280100.f2S102l10341@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>

>No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.

RR is $50/mo. while Qwest DSL is $20+[ISP fee]/mo. My company will pick-up 
the ISP fee (through goldengate.net), so I'd rather not go cable (plus 
AOL-TimeWarner is evil :). BTW, I called up RR and they said they're 
service is not Linux-compatible.

>I thought the CD just wouldn't boot -- doesn't work at all? Yikes.

I haven't audited the entire CD, so it's unfair to say that it's a coaster. 
All I know is that the "autoboot.bat" and "rawrite.exe" files are corrupted 
(according to DOS). Haven't tried "winrawrite.exe" yet (what directory is 
it in?).
If the SAMS version of RedHat is comparable to the "official" version (i.e. 
no bloatware or spam), I won't need to borrow the discs. I'm still waiting 
to find out if anyone knows about the differences between "versions."

>-Jay J


From djake at mn.rr.com  Wed Mar 28 01:53:07 2001
From: djake at mn.rr.com (Dan Jacobsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>





>No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.

RR is $50/mo. while Qwest DSL is $20+[ISP fee]/mo. My company will pick-up
the ISP fee (through goldengate.net), so I'd rather not go cable (plus
AOL-TimeWarner is evil :).


BTW, I called up RR and they said they're
service is not Linux-compatible.



I'm running Mandrake 7.2 with the Netscape browser on RR...no problem.

It's slower, but internet access was automatically configured via my NIC at
install.

Ya think he's avoiding the issue because he doesn't know?...it's "the cable
company" after all?


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 02:19:39 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>; from djake@mn.rr.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:53:07AM -0600
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010328021938.K21084@ringworld.org>

* Dan Jacobsen <djake@mn.rr.com> [010328 01:58]:
> It's slower, but internet access was automatically configured via my NIC at

'slower', than what?

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 02:20:55 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>; from dmonie@futurestat.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:01:55AM -0600
References: <200103280100.f2S102l10341@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010328022055.L21084@ringworld.org>

* Dileep Monie <dmonie@futurestat.com> [010328 01:12]:
> AOL-TimeWarner is evil :). BTW, I called up RR and they said they're 
> service is not Linux-compatible.

Ok, you think your DSL provider will even handhold you through a linux
install? :)

RR doesn't officialy support Linux the same way the rest of the world
doesn't, the insane support costs on their part if they do say they
support it.

It works fine here, using dhcp.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From djake at mn.rr.com  Wed Mar 28 03:00:45 2001
From: djake at mn.rr.com (Dan Jacobsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <20010328021938.K21084@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFAEFHCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>



* Dan Jacobsen <djake@mn.rr.com> [010328 01:58]:
> It's slower, but internet access was automatically configured via my NIC
at

'slower', than what?


Slower than when I use Windows ME and IE 5.5...I'm too new to Linux to know
why exactly, but it could be the default Netscape browser version in
Mandrake 7.2.  It plods along by comparison....same cable modem connection.



From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Wed Mar 28 03:27:58 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
	<NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:53:07 -0600
"Dan Jacobsen" <djake@mn.rr.com> wrote:

> >No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.
> 
> RR is $50/mo. while Qwest DSL is $20+[ISP fee]/mo. My company will pick-up
> the ISP fee (through goldengate.net), so I'd rather not go cable (plus
> AOL-TimeWarner is evil :).
> 
> 
> BTW, I called up RR and they said they're
> service is not Linux-compatible.
> 
> 
> I'm running Mandrake 7.2 with the Netscape browser on RR...no problem.
> 
> It's slower, but internet access was automatically configured via my NIC at
> install.

AOL/TW is big enough to naturally assume they're, .. definately.  Technically though, it's now AT&T broadband -- since then I noticed the terms-of-service changed and now disclaims any support for non MS/Mac setups .. but doesn't disallow it either, a good thing.

Auto configured?  Cool. I've been on since the 1-way days, wasn't quite that easy :)

My tip for new RR installs: If you kick the support tech out after they hand over the modem, be sure they've got your MAC address of the NIC you plan to connect to it. (oops .. :)

-Jay J

From kbullock at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 06:55:47 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IP Chains
In-Reply-To: <3ABD6250.B0EBE7EF@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103280652250.31218-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Shawn wrote:

> Also, I admit to being a bit naive on this.  But, the the heck is CIDR?

The best thing you can do for your linux networking skills might be to
read the Net-HOWTO, and additionally the IP-Masquerade-HOWTO:

http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/index.html
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Wed Mar 28 07:16:23 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>; from dmonie@futurestat.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:01:55AM -0600
References: <200103280100.f2S102l10341@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010328071623.A23493@knicknack.net>

In my neighborhood, RR is only $40/month.  The dropped the $10
surcharge if you do not also subscribe to cable TV.  Also installation
was free and there is no charge whatsoever for the modem, although I
have to return it when I drop their service, something I'd gladly do.

When I called to order it, they also told me it is not Linux
compatible.  I told them, "Yes it is.  I know plenty of people using
it.  Just say I'm using a Mac."  After the tech finished installing
the hardware, I just fired up dhcpcd and was up.

I do have serious problems with their agreement and have found
work-arounds for them, but as soon as I can get some other
(inexpensive) service in my area, I will switch.

BTW when I last talked to Qwest, they said something about being able
to extend DSL service beyond the 15k foot distance (I'm at 17k')
within the next year.  Does anybody know what they'll be doing?  Is
there some new technology available?

Eric

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:01:55AM -0600, Dileep Monie wrote:
> 
> >No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.
> 
> RR is $50/mo. while Qwest DSL is $20+[ISP fee]/mo. My company will pick-up 
> the ISP fee (through goldengate.net), so I'd rather not go cable (plus 
> AOL-TimeWarner is evil :). BTW, I called up RR and they said they're 
> service is not Linux-compatible.
> 
> >I thought the CD just wouldn't boot -- doesn't work at all? Yikes.
> 
> I haven't audited the entire CD, so it's unfair to say that it's a coaster. 
> All I know is that the "autoboot.bat" and "rawrite.exe" files are corrupted 
> (according to DOS). Haven't tried "winrawrite.exe" yet (what directory is 
> it in?).
> If the SAMS version of RedHat is comparable to the "official" version (i.e. 
> no bloatware or spam), I won't need to borrow the discs. I'm still waiting 
> to find out if anyone knows about the differences between "versions."
> 
> >-Jay J
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Mar 28 08:05:19 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com> <005001c0b735$f6583720$0239a8c0@Sakura>
Message-ID: <3AC1EF9F.5F1B3272@mninter.net>

Isn't the 56k upload speed only for one way cable connections?  Meaning, you
have the cable/ethernet connection but you also have a modem that dials over an
analog line?  I thought that Media One/AT&T got away from that a while ago.

Then again, what do I know...  I'm stuck in no man's land and had to settle on
ISDN for $120 a month for a 128k connection.

Shawn

Joseph Key wrote:

> I based those numbers on the roadrunner account I had in Hawaii.  I used one
> of the test your DSL/Cablemodem upload/download speed tests.  I have seen
> the 56K upload referenced in reviews about cablemodem speeds.
>
> Joseph Key
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Seeman" <jamie_seeman@securecomputing.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
>
> > That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the
> weekend.
> > Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot
> higher
> > then 56K.:)
> > I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think it
> > depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over the
> net
> > are on your node.
> >
> > --
> > Jamie Seeman
> > Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> > 651.628.5420
> >
> >
> >
> > Nate Carlson wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > > > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on a
> good
> > > > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic ip
> dns
> > > > services like www.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
> > >
> > > I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address, and
> > > prefer to follow RFC.
> > >
> > > I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > >


From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 08:38:02 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFAEFHCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>; from djake@mn.rr.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:00:45AM -0600
References: <20010328021938.K21084@ringworld.org> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFAEFHCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010328083802.M21084@ringworld.org>

* Dan Jacobsen <djake@mn.rr.com> [010328 03:04]:
> Slower than when I use Windows ME and IE 5.5...I'm too new to Linux to know
> why exactly, but it could be the default Netscape browser version in

Oh.  I stopped using netscape weeks ago. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 08:39:14 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com>; from jay-tclug@3pound.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:27:58AM -0600
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com> <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org>

* Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> [010328 03:33]:
> My tip for new RR installs: If you kick the support tech out after they hand over the modem, be sure they've got your MAC address of the NIC you plan to connect to it. (oops .. :)

TW/RR isn't as anal as M1/RR.  Here, anything I can connect to the cable
modem (up to 5 devices) gets an IP.  A real IP no less :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

"When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 28 08:39:38 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installation discs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103280838360.22813-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dileep Monie wrote:

> 
> >No DSL in this neighborhood either, but RR suffices.
> 
> RR is $50/mo. while Qwest DSL is $20+[ISP fee]/mo. 

$20 is for the DSL select -- the cheap version.  How'd you get them to let
you run it on Linux, or was this before they switched to the Intel
internal cards for PCs?

Phil M

-- 
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 28 08:43:21 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
References: <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3AC1F889.6F53682C@ltiflex.com>

> BTW, I called up RR and they said they're
> service is not Linux-compatible.

There is a big difference between not-compatible and non-supported. If
you're running Linux (or anything that isn't Mac or Windows), they're
support can't help you with problems (fairly standard policy with any ISP.) 

Not compatible would be those internal Intel DSL modems. They don't work
under Linux, period. 

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Mar 28 08:44:59 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103261420230.6796-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3ABFAEED.634A0E18@securecomputing.com> <005001c0b735$f6583720$0239a8c0@Sakura> <3AC1EF9F.5F1B3272@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c0b795$aa81b050$3028680a@tgt.com>

And 56K modems only upload at 33.6 Max.  There is a new standard that
supposedly increases this somewhat (V.92 ?), but nobody is adopting it.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn" <fertch@mninter.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)


> Isn't the 56k upload speed only for one way cable connections?  Meaning,
you
> have the cable/ethernet connection but you also have a modem that dials
over an
> analog line?  I thought that Media One/AT&T got away from that a while
ago.
>
> Then again, what do I know...  I'm stuck in no man's land and had to
settle on
> ISDN for $120 a month for a 128k connection.
>
> Shawn
>
> Joseph Key wrote:
>
> > I based those numbers on the roadrunner account I had in Hawaii.  I used
one
> > of the test your DSL/Cablemodem upload/download speed tests.  I have
seen
> > the 56K upload referenced in reviews about cablemodem speeds.
> >
> > Joseph Key
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamie Seeman" <jamie_seeman@securecomputing.com>
> > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The internet sucks. (DSL/Cablemodem?)
> >
> > > That's not quite true. I was uploading to a machine at 330K over the
> > weekend.
> > > Now, that was another machine on RoadRunner service, but that's a lot
> > higher
> > > then 56K.:)
> > > I've also download things (off the net) at about 1.1M a sec. I think
it
> > > depends on what node you are on, and how many kids playing Quake over
the
> > net
> > > are on your node.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jamie Seeman
> > > Secure Computing - Test Engineer
> > > 651.628.5420
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nate Carlson wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Joseph Key wrote:
> > > > > RoadRunner only has a 56K upload speed and about 400K download (on
a
> > good
> > > > > day).  You can get around the dynamic IP with one of the dynamic
ip
> > dns
> > > > > services like www.dyndns.org
> > > >
> > > > eeeEEk! I'm glad I couldn't get that then.  :)
> > > >
> > > > I can't do DynDNS, because I use a mail server on the IP address,
and
> > > > prefer to follow RFC.
> > > >
> > > > I actually ended up signing up for an account at Telocity.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > > >
>
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 28 08:59:38 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com> <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com> <20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3AC1FC5A.86B39D6B@ltiflex.com>

> TW/RR isn't as anal as M1/RR.  Here, anything I can connect to the cable
> modem (up to 5 devices) gets an IP.  A real IP no less :)

We can, but don't because the DHCP server used to go up and down like a
yo-yo. (Not that bad, but freguently enough that rebooting to Windows to
play some CS was risky business.) Switching to NAT fixed that problem.
Hopefully Time Warner has improved their services by now...

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Wed Mar 28 09:47:45 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: Qwest & RR, was Re: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installationdiscs
Message-ID: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1>

I am under 13k feet, but Qwest refuses to give me DSL service (we don't have the right equipment at the Fridley CO right now, as far as I have been able to divine). Unfortunately, speed is not the issue for me, so cable has not been the solution. Accessability at a cheap, cheap price is what I need.

Does TW-RR have an (inexpensive) option to get a static IP and  allow you to run services?

>>> barnabas@knicknack.net 03/28/01 07:16AM >>>
BTW when I last talked to Qwest, they said something about being able
to extend DSL service beyond the 15k foot distance (I'm at 17k')
within the next year.  Does anybody know what they'll be doing?  Is
there some new technology available?



From mjn at umn.edu  Wed Mar 28 10:35:00 2001
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat upgrade...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281032490.21520-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I am currently thinking about upgrading a server here at work from 6.1 to
7 and I was wondering if anyone has tips/advice on going about this...

We are planning on restoring a current image of the disk to another
machine and trying the upgrade on that box first.  I just haven't ever
tried to upgrade a linux box before..

____________________________
Mike Neuharth
ADCS Technology Specialist
http://www.umn.edu/adcs

E-Mail          : mjn@umn.edu
Page Mail       : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com
http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/
____________________________


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Wed Mar 28 11:57:39 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: Qwest & RR, was Re: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installationdiscs
In-Reply-To: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1>; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:47:45AM -0600
References: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <20010328115739.C23493@knicknack.net>

When I asked a few weeks ago it wasn't even available.  They said they
thought static IP service would be about $119/month when it was
available.  At that price I didn't ask whether they'd allow services.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:47:45AM -0600, Troy Johnson wrote:
> I am under 13k feet, but Qwest refuses to give me DSL service (we don't have the right equipment at the Fridley CO right now, as far as I have been able to divine). Unfortunately, speed is not the issue for me, so cable has not been the solution. Accessability at a cheap, cheap price is what I need.
> 
> Does TW-RR have an (inexpensive) option to get a static IP and  allow you to run services?
> 
> >>> barnabas@knicknack.net 03/28/01 07:16AM >>>
> BTW when I last talked to Qwest, they said something about being able
> to extend DSL service beyond the 15k foot distance (I'm at 17k')
> within the next year.  Does anybody know what they'll be doing?  Is
> there some new technology available?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From barnabas at knicknack.net  Wed Mar 28 11:59:57 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows & Linux virus
Message-ID: <20010328115957.D23493@knicknack.net>

A coworker just showed me an article
(http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/03/28/virus.winux.02/index.html)
that says someone has created a proof-of-concept virus that can infect
both Windows and Linux systems.  I have a hard time believing this is
true.  Has anyone heard any more about this and how it might
accomplish this?

Eric


From drake at lemongecko.org  Wed Mar 28 12:18:08 2001
From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>

  Hi all...long time listener, first time caller...

  I'm having serious problems compiling POSE (the Palm Pilot emulator). I
dual-boot RedHat and Debian; under RH, gcc stops in the same place and
says

	  ../SrcShared/UAE/newcpu.h:158: Internal compiler error in
	fix_lexical_addr, at function.c:5320
	Please submit a full bug report [...]

  That's with gcc 2.96. Under Debian (gcc 2.95.2), it tends to
spontaneously reboot my computer or just freeze it up, at no particular
point.
  Line 158 of the newcpu.h file mentioned is nothing special; it's a
simple function that does one line of pointer arithmetic.

  Any suggestions? TIA...

  Dan

-- 
/*---------------------------------
Dan Drake <drake@lemongecko.org>
http://lemongecko.org/~drake/
---------pgp encouraged----------*/


From esper at sherohman.org  Wed Mar 28 12:30:44 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Windows & Linux virus
In-Reply-To: <20010328115957.D23493@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:59:57AM -0600
References: <20010328115957.D23493@knicknack.net>
Message-ID: <20010328123044.B2944@sherohman.org>

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:59:57AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote:
> A coworker just showed me an article
> (http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/03/28/virus.winux.02/index.html)
> that says someone has created a proof-of-concept virus that can infect
> both Windows and Linux systems.  I have a hard time believing this is
> true.  Has anyone heard any more about this and how it might
> accomplish this?

Take a look on slashdot.  They've got links to the original announcement and
three articles about it, plus, of course, the usual hundreds of comments on
it.

My take on it:  Yeah, it's possible.  And I think this case is probably real
as well.  But, unless you're trading binaries with people (other than your
distro's archive, which most of us assume to be 'safe') and then running them
as root, it can't affect you much.

-- 
Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. 
    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 28 12:35:35 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281231360.8954-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dan Drake wrote:

>   Line 158 of the newcpu.h file mentioned is nothing special; it's a
> simple function that does one line of pointer arithmetic.

Well, I've had a rough time with pointer arithmetic in the past, but I
can't imagine that gcc would barf that badly; surely it traps invalid
pointers?

I'd submit the bug report, though.  Have you ever seen this code compile
with your own eyes anywhere?

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 28 12:39:37 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Terminals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281236080.8954-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I've got an old VT220 that I finally had a few minutes to play with.  It
seems to work, but I'm shy on getting Linux serial talking.  Been through
the HOWTO's, blah blah.

When Carl and Tom Hudak were talking about using minicom for serial lines,
were you using that in conjuction with a getty?  I haven't been able to
get cp foo /dev/ttyS0 to make anything show up on the screen, either.  My
null modem is tx <-> rx, with signal gnd straight through.

I've checked baud rate on the /dev/ttyS0, the vt220 is set to 19200 8N1,
flow control off.  

Anyone have any suggestions as to what I might be missing?

Cheers
Phil

 -- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Wed Mar 28 12:53:47 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com> <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
	<20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010328125347.249ecf59.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:39:14 -0600
Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org> wrote:

> * Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> [010328 03:33]:
> > My tip for new RR installs: If you kick the support tech out after they hand over the modem, be sure they've got your MAC address of the NIC you plan to connect to it. (oops .. :)
> 
> TW/RR isn't as anal as M1/RR.  Here, anything I can connect to the cable
> modem (up to 5 devices) gets an IP.  A real IP no less :)


:-) WTF, without paying for the 5+ "blah, blah, home LAN" solution?

I've got a 3Com 2940CMX (2-way external), single RJ45. They claim to keep a database (which they lost once) of modem <-> MAC addresses. When I switched from 1-way to 2, I booted the tech and proceeded to hook it up - no go, I call - have a chat about MAC addresses, and voila.

It's their cable modem ... knowing the MAC doesn't seem any less private :)

-Jay J

p.s. "real IP" == static?


From ben at nerp.net  Wed Mar 28 13:03:25 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Professor Bobo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Terminals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281236080.8954-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281300360.2929-100000@chef>

normaly, i will just enable a getty line for a terminal:

in /etc/inittab
S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS0 19200 vt100

read the getty manpage.. sometimes there are little things you have to
flip, like hardware flow control, or force carrier detect (-L)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> I've got an old VT220 that I finally had a few minutes to play with.  It
> seems to work, but I'm shy on getting Linux serial talking.  Been through
> the HOWTO's, blah blah.
>
> When Carl and Tom Hudak were talking about using minicom for serial lines,
> were you using that in conjuction with a getty?  I haven't been able to
> get cp foo /dev/ttyS0 to make anything show up on the screen, either.  My
> null modem is tx <-> rx, with signal gnd straight through.
>
> I've checked baud rate on the /dev/ttyS0, the vt220 is set to 19200 8N1,
> flow control off.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions as to what I might be missing?
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>  --
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
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>


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 28 13:15:42 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Terminals
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281236080.8954-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3AC2385E.D89A1D0E@ltiflex.com>

You check /etc/inittab and enabled a getty on a serial line right? :)
T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt220
If you're having problems, stay with lower rates until you get it working.
Once it's working, kick the rate up until it stops. 

It's been a long while since I played with serial consoles on Linux so
beyond what I just typed I don't remember much. I don't remember doing
anything beyond enabling a getty and configuring the terminal though...

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Mar 28 14:01:19 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat upgrade...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281032490.21520-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mjn@umn.edu on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:35:00AM -0600
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281032490.21520-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010328140119.R16938@real-time.com>

Quoting mjn (mjn@umn.edu):
> I am currently thinking about upgrading a server here at work from 6.1 to
> 7 and I was wondering if anyone has tips/advice on going about this...
> 
> We are planning on restoring a current image of the disk to another
> machine and trying the upgrade on that box first.  I just haven't ever
> tried to upgrade a linux box before..

What until 7.[12] is out. That would be my recommendation.
-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Mar 28 14:21:46 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Terminals
In-Reply-To: <3AC2385E.D89A1D0E@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281414560.22067-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> You check /etc/inittab and enabled a getty on a serial line right? :)
> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt220
> If you're having problems, stay with lower rates until you get it working.
> Once it's working, kick the rate up until it stops. 
> 
> It's been a long while since I played with serial consoles on Linux so
> beyond what I just typed I don't remember much. I don't remember doing
> anything beyond enabling a getty and configuring the terminal though...

OK, it's gotten better, but also worse. <g>

Fixed a funny with the null modem cable (sheesh).  Now I can do
things on the Linux box and make things appear on the screen of the
vt220, but they aren't the right things and there aren't enough of
them.  cp <foo> /dev/ttyS0 makes some char ('}' many times) appear, but
about one for every 6 in the source.

Getty starts up, doesn't barf by respawning, but I never get a clean
/etc/issue either.  Still the garbage chars.  And few of them.  Been
through the getty man, says -L or -w might matter, but other than that it
should automagically do things.

Still futzing with the setup in the hardware.  Anyone know anything I
don't?  getty says little about flow control, I've tried both ways.  Any
further assistance would be appreciated -- I feel so dumb!<g>

Cheers
Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 28 14:24:47 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reverse proxy/web accelerators
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096F7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Besides Squid, are there any other high performance reverse proxies/cache
servers for Linux?  How do they compare with squid?

Jay

From zibby at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 14:30:08 2001
From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Terminals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103281414560.22067-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281427210.17185-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

> further assistance would be appreciated -- I feel so dumb!<g>
Imagine how your terminal feels. :)

Is a vt220 terminal backwards compatible with vt100? If so tell getty to
do vt100 and see what happens. Or if it's allready doing vt100, change it
to match your terminal. Also consider testing it with any other box you
have (even an old 286 will do.) Hyperterm or Tera Term Pro support serial
links in Windows, take your pick from previous thread for linux.

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From zibby at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 14:25:59 2001
From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281408500.17185-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

>   That's with gcc 2.96. Under Debian (gcc 2.95.2), it tends to
> spontaneously reboot my computer or just freeze it up, at no particular
> point.

I didn't have any trouble building it on Debian unstable (gcc 2.95.3). The
only issue I had was I needed to install libfltk1 and libfltk1-dev. 

If you're actuall freezing (hard lock) when compiling I suspect a hardware
problem. (overheat due to heavy processor and disk activity). If you
compile seems to stall for a minute or two maybe it's just crunching
numbers and you're not giving it enough time. 

Under RedHat it may just be the buggy GCC at work, or gcc is throwing out
a signal 11 (processor error, most often caused by excess heat) and
their make file is trapping that and giving you their less informative
error message. 

If you have a recent computer going you can get lmsensors going to monitor
your CPU temp. Most likely you'll have to compile a kernel to do so. If
gcc throws out errors, consider investing in some more cooling fans. (PC
Power and Cooling's Sliencer fans are great! I have 3 of them in my case
and it is very quiet).

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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Wed Mar 28 14:31:19 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281359380.31218-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dan Drake wrote:

> 	  ../SrcShared/UAE/newcpu.h:158: Internal compiler error in
> 	fix_lexical_addr, at function.c:5320
> 	Please submit a full bug report [...]
> 
>   That's with gcc 2.96. Under Debian (gcc 2.95.2), it tends to
> spontaneously reboot my computer or just freeze it up, at no particular
> point.

This sounds distinctly like a hardware issue. Try compiling a kernel or
something equally large and see if you have similar problems. It could be
bad memory, overheating, or any number of other things. I've gotten
similar errors from both. (Which reminds me, I should sell that extra
stick that ain't so great...)

http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ is where you'll find the Sig11 FAQ. It's
not directly the error you described, but it should give you a clue what
to try.

If you need to test your memory, check these out:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/memtest/
http://freshmeat.net/projects/memtest86/
http://freshmeat.net/projects/memtester/

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Wed Mar 28 14:48:42 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Follow-up to Fetchmail -> Procmail -> Pine
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5079B@mail2.ROG.COM>

After I define the sort criteria for Procmail, How/where do I put in the
call to Rvcstore to properly format messages and update the indexes.  

Right now when I do fetchmail -m procmail, all the e-mail goes to one file
and Pine sees it as one message.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From jwanderson at uswest.net  Wed Mar 28 15:19:25 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
Message-ID: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>

I must be missing something simple here (I feel like Phil's terminal)

I'm trying to set up a ftp server on my local network (get it working 
b4 putting it in the wild.)  I can connect to it from my Win98se box 
but can't login.  

user exists in /etc/passwd, not listed in /etc/ftpusers, shell==bash 
(in /etc/shells), not anonymous

ftpd is running through inetd and ps ax shows: ftpd: <address>: 
connected:IDLE

Jay

From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Wed Mar 28 15:54:47 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENDCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Hey folks-

We'll be having our beer meeting tomorrow at Mud Pie near uptown. Its not a
"bar" so its all-ages. They do have beer and wine.

All the details are here:
 http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/

Hope to see you there!

Jacque


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Mar 28 16:17:30 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
References: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AC262FA.6112629E@ltiflex.com>

What ftp server are you using? proftpd? wu-ftpd? other?

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From jwanderson at uswest.net  Wed Mar 28 17:36:28 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <3AC262FA.6112629E@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>

wu-ftpd 2.4.2b15-5 (RH 5.0 base install) 

I know that I will have to upgrade this, just seeing if I can get 
this 8M 486dx2-50 working 1st

On 28 Mar 01, at 16:17, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> What ftp server are you using? proftpd? wu-ftpd? other?
>

From hahaha at sexyfun.net  Wed Mar 28 18:52:27 2001
From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
Message-ID: <B0010435606@IS3.LSOL.NET>

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a 
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
Dwarfs enter...

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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Wed Mar 28 19:22:42 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103270926330.14685-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103281913160.4490-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


     Actually I thought it could be set up like a cb radio. You would have
a certain number of "channels" or different frequencies running across the
same wire, like broadband has "channels" as well going over coax. Each
host "ethernet" card would have a certain number of channels they
communicate on. When a host on the network wishes to talk to another host
on the network, the card would transmit on the lowest open channel
available. Upon detection that there is a transmission on that channel,
all the cards in the other machines simply put a "lock" on that
channel. That allows those two machines to communicate with each other
without interruption. If any other hosts on the network need to
communicate, their "ethernet" cards find the lowest open channel and
transmit on that channel. Anytime any host wants to communicate with
another, it simply picks the lowest channel available. If all hosts on the
netword agree on that protocol, it would be very simple and not too
complex or time consuming. I tried drawing a simple map of possibilities
in hosts communicating across the network, and couldn't come up with a way
there would be conflicts.

   Another nice thing about this is it would prevent ping attacks. If your
machine is being pinged to death, you could go to the multi channel card
and put a lock on the channel your card is on, and simply open another
lowest channel. You would have a lot more freedom.










On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to modulate each of the hosts's transmissions on the
> > subnet so that each host is transmitting at a different frequency on
> > the same line? If you could do that, all the hosts could talk at the
> > same time to the router without signals bumping into one another if
> > they are all talking at a different frequency. Wouldn't this
> > significantly increase the amount of speed that a host could operate
> > on if we didn't have to worry about contention?
> 
> There's no free lunch; what you suggest (if I understand correctly) is
> trading time slices of a broadband transmission for frequency slices of a
> time-continuous transmission.  I think the horses mouth here would 
> be Shannon and those old chestnuts.  
> 
> Thing is, each host would have limited bandwidth.  You'd have to make sure
> that in doing so, each host had all the bandwidth that it previously had
> before, which means designing a new transmission system with higher
> bandwidth than you had previously.  There's no difference between a
> transmission system that goes faster and one that goes wider -- think of
> it as an area problem.  Pulling on one side shortens the other.
> 
> Anyway, now you're getting back into analog electronics -- impedances,
> freq response, etc...  Fun stuff, but not really what you were hoping to
> do, I think.
> 
> HTH,
> Phil M
> 
> 

-- 

   "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning."





From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Mar 28 19:46:21 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENDCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:54:47PM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENDCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010328194621.B1049@vm-lvm>

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:54:47PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
>Hey folks-
>
>We'll be having our beer meeting tomorrow at Mud Pie near uptown. Its not a
>"bar" so its all-ages. They do have beer and wine.

beer metting not in a bar? Not sure I like the sound of that.

>
>All the details are here:
> http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/
>
>Hope to see you there!
>
>Jacque
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From jethro at yaron.org  Wed Mar 28 21:29:59 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
In-Reply-To: <20010328194621.B1049@vm-lvm>
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENDCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com> <20010328194621.B1049@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <985836599.3ac2ac3717edb@dragon>

  Hi,

Quoting Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com>:

> beer metting not in a bar? Not sure I like the sound of that.

Not only that, it's at a vegan restauraunt. Which I've been meaning to go to 
for a while.

Unfortunetly I'm in San Francisco! Aaaaaargh.

-Yaron

--

From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 00:34:33 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing #2
Message-ID: <20010329003433.A30561@real-time.com>

Is there a problem here?

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 29 00:48:38 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 05:36:28PM -0600
References: <3AC262FA.6112629E@ltiflex.com> <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329004838.Q21084@ringworld.org>

* Jay W. Anderson <jwanderson@uswest.net> [010328 18:43]:
> wu-ftpd 2.4.2b15-5 (RH 5.0 base install) 
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Ok, first of all, reinstall that box.  RH5.0 is way-eol'd at this date.

Plus, how old of wu is that? Yikes!  Be careful with that thing being on
the net.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@efnet

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From jay-tclug at 3pound.com  Thu Mar 29 05:55:13 2001
From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>
References: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329055513.2703a66d.jay-tclug@3pound.com>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:19:25 -0600
"Jay W. Anderson" <jwanderson@uswest.net> wrote:

> I must be missing something simple here (I feel like Phil's terminal)
> 
> I'm trying to set up a ftp server on my local network (get it working 
> b4 putting it in the wild.)  I can connect to it from my Win98se box 
> but can't login.  

Scott's right .. aye-chihuahua.

All FTP servers (all servers for that matter) can be a security nightmare .. but proftpd (http://proftpd.org) has a better track record that wu.

-Jay J

p.s. how many friggin Jay's are on this list? :-)

From duncan at sodatrain.com  Thu Mar 29 08:53:34 2001
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281427210.17185-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>

So ive got my new 40G HD for mostly for growing and conslidating my mp3
collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my linux
box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at home and
be able to access my mp3 stash that i gather at work (2-T1's) at home.

I have heard a few different oponions on how to do this... use NTFS, but
my may have problems writing... use Fat16 so both can access it, no use
fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it from
both windoze and linux?  

thanks



From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 10:12:20 2001
From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <20010329161220.67016.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Vfat/Fat32 is probaly the best way. Although if you make it an ext2
partition, then there is a program to read and write ext2 partitions
for Windows, I believe it's called WinExt or something, I'll look it
up when I get home tonite.


--- duncan <duncan@sodatrain.com> wrote:
> 
> So ive got my new 40G HD for mostly for growing and conslidating my
> mp3
> collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my
> linux
> box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at
> home and
> be able to access my mp3 stash that i gather at work (2-T1's) at
> home.
> 
> I have heard a few different oponions on how to do this... use
> NTFS, but
> my may have problems writing... use Fat16 so both can access it, no
> use
> fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it
> from
> both windoze and linux?  
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


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From jasonj at talkware.net  Thu Mar 29 10:45:24 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
Message-ID: <3AC366A3.2379EF27@talkware.net>

Has anyone found any free or real cheap long distance calling services
like dialpad or phonefree that support linux? Even if the service was 1
cent a minute I would use it.

The only one that I have found is Phonenet (www.phonenet.net). But it
requires hardware and I would prefer a software solution. And the rate
is either going to be 3 or 4 cents a minute. And I can just get a phone
card with a rate of 3.9 cents a minute.




From jasonj at talkware.net  Thu Mar 29 10:21:55 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>

I would order 2 hard drive removable cartridge kits from www.buy.com
(http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10223817&loc=101). They are
$20 each. Put one cartridge shell in your work box, one in your home box.

Put your new 40G drive in one of the removable cartridges and format the
drive FAT32.

You will have one extra removable cartridge left unused, but heck, there
only $20!

Linux and Windows 95 OSR2 (or some people like to call 95B) and later, can
read fat32 just fine.

Then where ever you are you can use your mp3's that are contained on the
hard drive in the removable cartidge. Of course you have to power the box
down to remove the cartridge, and power the box up with the cartridge in for
the bios to see the drive. I dont know how well the cartridge handles hot
swapping.

In windows the drive will just show up with a new drive letter. In linux you
will have to mount the drive with something like:
mount -t vfat /dev/hdX1 /mnt/mp3z


Does that help??




duncan wrote:

> So ive got my new 40G HD for mostly for growing and conslidating my mp3
> collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my linux
> box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at home and
> be able to access my mp3 stash that i gather at work (2-T1's) at home.
>
> I have heard a few different oponions on how to do this... use NTFS, but
> my may have problems writing... use Fat16 so both can access it, no use
> fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it from
> both windoze and linux?
>
> thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From bgilbertson at stonel.com  Thu Mar 29 13:14:52 2001
From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
References: <20010329161220.67016.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AC389AC.FA648814@stonel.com>

One option:

http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm

Bob


Jonathan Kline wrote:
> 
> Vfat/Fat32 is probaly the best way. Although if you make it an ext2
> partition, then there is a program to read and write ext2 partitions
> for Windows, I believe it's called WinExt or something, I'll look it
> up when I get home tonite.
> 
> --- duncan <duncan@sodatrain.com> wrote:

> > collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my
> > linux
> > box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at
> > home and

> > fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it
> > from
> > both windoze and linux?

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 29 13:15:57 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10970D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://www.pulver.com/fwd

Not launched yet, but I'm a beta tester for it.  I still haven't received my
Komodo gateway though and it was supposed to be here last week.

You need some sort of high speed connection to use it though, DSL, Cable,
T1, etc.  And a static IP.  Apparently you'll be able to buy the Cisco
Komodo gateways in Best Buy this summer.  

Basically, your gateway plugs into your network, and into your phone line.
You plug your phone into the gateway.  When you pick up your phone to make a
call, if it's local it gets passed over your normal phone line, if it's LD
the gateway checks the FWD server for another node in the area code that you
are calling, if one exists, it tells the remote gateway to dial the number
for you, and then patches your gateway to the remote one via IP.  If a
remote node doesn't exist, it just routes over your normal line.  You have
to obviously share your line with others calling your area code, but you get
free phone calls to other places (even out of the country).

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Jorgensen [mailto:jasonj@talkware.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:45 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
> 
> 
> Has anyone found any free or real cheap long distance calling services
> like dialpad or phonefree that support linux? Even if the 
> service was 1
> cent a minute I would use it.
> 
> The only one that I have found is Phonenet (www.phonenet.net). But it
> requires hardware and I would prefer a software solution. And the rate
> is either going to be 3 or 4 cents a minute. And I can just 
> get a phone
> card with a rate of 3.9 cents a minute.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 13:30:24 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103291329570.23977-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote:
> I must be missing something simple here (I feel like Phil's terminal)
>
> I'm trying to set up a ftp server on my local network (get it working
> b4 putting it in the wild.)  I can connect to it from my Win98se box
> but can't login.
>
> user exists in /etc/passwd, not listed in /etc/ftpusers, shell==bash
> (in /etc/shells), not anonymous
>
> ftpd is running through inetd and ps ax shows: ftpd: <address>:
> connected:IDLE

what about /var/log/secure / /var/log/messages (on redhat), or
/var/log/syslog (on debian)?

proftpd or wu-ftpd? (hint: go pro!)

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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Mar 29 15:53:16 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting reminder
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENOCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Just a reminder that the beer meeting is TONIGHT!

http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting


Jacque

From atebbe at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 12:56:10 2001
From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next Meeting: 4/7 High Availability Clustering
Message-ID: <20010329125610.H5026@real-time.com>

The next TCLUG meeting will be:

Date: Saturday, April 7
Time: noon-2pm
Location: 
	Benchmark Computer Learning Center
	4510 West 77th St
	Edina, MN
Directions:
	http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp

Topic: High Availability Clustering for Linux
Presenter: Greg Haney, SteelEye

Please complete the poll on www.mn-linux.org  about whether you'll
be attending.  SteelEye is coming from out of town so I would appreciate
a big turnout.

See you there...
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From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar 29 18:20:20 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.co
 m>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281427210.17185-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <200103300020.f2U0K9w07945@destef.com>

easiest way is to format the drive FAT32 under windows and
then mount it under linux as fstype VFAT. I trust linux to be able
to handle a windows created partition rather than hoping windows
will handle a VFAT partiton that was *created* under linux.


At 09:53 AM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>So ive got my new 40G HD for mostly for growing and conslidating my mp3
>collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my linux
>box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at home and
>be able to access my mp3 stash that i gather at work (2-T1's) at home.
>
>I have heard a few different oponions on how to do this... use NTFS, but
>my may have problems writing... use Fat16 so both can access it, no use
>fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it from
>both windoze and linux?  
>
>thanks
>
>
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>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From destef at destef.com  Thu Mar 29 18:28:00 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about High IRQ's
In-Reply-To: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <200103300027.f2U0Rnw07950@destef.com>

I have a Tyan Thunder 2 dual pII 300 mobo as my
main linux server (runnnig redhat 7). I also have a Tyan
dual mobo (cant remember model) that is the 72pin
equivalent of the Thunder 2 (which is SDRAM). It
also has red hat 7 installed and only 1 cpu out of 2
possible installed.

On the second one mentioned (1 cpu, 72pin simms)
the scsi card is  IRQ 18 and the nic is IRQ 19. On
the first mobo mentioned all my devices are under
IRQ 16 (the normal irq's).

I cant figure out why Im getting these high IRQ's on
the older mobo. My rh7 installs were "custom setup"
with everything installed (ie. i havnt monkeyed with
the OS).

Anyone know how the high IRQ's work, how to enable
them, take advantage of them, etc?





From pc451 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 16:30:38 2001
From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103281208270.960-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010328223038.6564.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com>

   A couple of months ago I tried compiling POSE, but IIRC, I ran into
trouble with the FLTK toolkt. Eventually, I just gave up and grabbed
the RPM from
http://www.bestlinux.net/en/contrib/pose-3.0a4-1mdk.i686.html
   Mind you, this is for 686 architectures. I'm on a plain ol' Pentium,
so I had to install it with --noarch, or whatever the command is for
rpm to ignore architecture. Worked fine, though.
   Wish I could help you on the compiling, but as I said, I couldn't
get the darn thing to compile. But at least there's another way (if you
have Intel Inside (TM).)
   :Peter

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From dante at plethora.net  Thu Mar 29 19:45:42 2001
From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: Qwest & RR, was Re: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installationdiscs
In-Reply-To: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1>
References: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1>
Message-ID: <01032919454201.07396@debian>

On Wednesday 28 March 2001 09:47, you wrote:
> I am under 13k feet, but Qwest refuses to give me DSL service (we don't
> have the right equipment at the Fridley CO right now, as far as I have been
> able to divine). Unfortunately, speed is not the issue for me, so cable has
> not been the solution. Accessability at a cheap, cheap price is what I
> need.
>
Don't even get me started on the POC that passes for POTS service in Fridley.
Tip: The Fridley CO is damn well equipped for DSL, they just don't have the
pairs to provide POTS service reliably. I'd bet the whole town needs 
rewiring...

> Does TW-RR have an (inexpensive) option to get a static IP and  allow you
> to run services?
>
> >>> barnabas@knicknack.net 03/28/01 07:16AM >>>
>
> BTW when I last talked to Qwest, they said something about being able
> to extend DSL service beyond the 15k foot distance (I'm at 17k')
> within the next year.  Does anybody know what they'll be doing?  Is
> there some new technology available?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 20:19:57 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
Message-ID: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com>

Mailman is just too slow. 

Majordomo is just to old.

Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.

Any other choices out there?

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From ben at nerp.net  Thu Mar 29 20:26:44 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (I R Baboon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about High IRQ's
In-Reply-To: <200103300027.f2U0Rnw07950@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103292026010.21861-100000@chef>

those IRQ's are re-maped based on the intel SMP spec, atleat that's how i
remember it.. it really doesn't matter, as long as it works :)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote:

> I have a Tyan Thunder 2 dual pII 300 mobo as my
> main linux server (runnnig redhat 7). I also have a Tyan
> dual mobo (cant remember model) that is the 72pin
> equivalent of the Thunder 2 (which is SDRAM). It
> also has red hat 7 installed and only 1 cpu out of 2
> possible installed.
>
> On the second one mentioned (1 cpu, 72pin simms)
> the scsi card is  IRQ 18 and the nic is IRQ 19. On
> the first mobo mentioned all my devices are under
> IRQ 16 (the normal irq's).
>
> I cant figure out why Im getting these high IRQ's on
> the older mobo. My rh7 installs were "custom setup"
> with everything installed (ie. i havnt monkeyed with
> the OS).
>
> Anyone know how the high IRQ's work, how to enable
> them, take advantage of them, etc?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From heilja at dbsource.com  Thu Mar 29 21:47:06 2001
From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:19:57PM -0600
References: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com>

snail mail   :)

Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> Mailman is just too slow. 
> 
> Majordomo is just to old.
> 
> Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
> 
> Any other choices out there?
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Mar 28 16:59:20 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] increasing FD_SETSIZE on kernel 2.4
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096FB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone know how to increase FD_SETSIZE on kernel 2.4?  When I follow the
instrutions for increasing it for 2.2, the kernel compile fails.

I'm getting me a copy of freebsd 4.2 instead, but I have some machines
already running linux in remote locations, and I don't really want to fly
out or send someone to just install BSD on them.

Modifying /proc/sys/fs/[inode|file]-max isn't enough.  

I'm setting up a high capacity reverse squid proxy, and squid is throwing
lots of running out of filedescriptors errors during testing.  

From andy at theasis.com  Thu Mar 29 23:46:26 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103292344370.26732-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Mailman is just too slow. 

This is just amazing to me, since the kernel mailing list uses
Mailman; several hundred messages/day, thousands of users.

> Majordomo is just to old.
> 
> Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
> 
> Any other choices out there?

Smartmail is based on procmail
Interestingly, the procmail list doesn't use that -- it uses mailman. 

Good luck, 
Andy


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 30 00:07:44 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109713@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Actually, once you get qmail installed, ezmlm is pretty easy.  Qmail tends
to be the annoying piece since you can't use ezmlm with anything else.

Log in as the user "tclug", follow the generic ezmlm-make command in the
ezmlm faq to make the list tclug-list, and load your addresses from mailman
into it with something like "cat addresses.txt | xargs --max-args 20
ezmlm-sub ~/list"

And it's ready to go. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:20 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
> 
> 
> Mailman is just too slow. 
> 
> Majordomo is just to old.
> 
> Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
> 
> Any other choices out there?
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 00:37:44 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] increasing FD_SETSIZE on kernel 2.4
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096FB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:59:20PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096FB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010330003744.A27270@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010330 00:07]:
> Modifying /proc/sys/fs/[inode|file]-max isn't enough.  

http://people.redhat.com/alikins/system_tuning.html

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 00:57:06 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103292344370.26732-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:46:26PM -0600
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Message-ID: <20010330005706.A9002@real-time.com>

Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com):
> > Mailman is just too slow. 
> 
> This is just amazing to me, since the kernel mailing list uses
> Mailman; several hundred messages/day, thousands of users.

kernel mailing list uses majorslowmo.
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 00:40:12 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] increasing FD_SETSIZE on kernel 2.4
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096FB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:59:20PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096FB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010330004011.B27270@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010330 00:07]:
> Modifying /proc/sys/fs/[inode|file]-max isn't enough.  

teela:~> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr 
1409    70      64000

Seemed to work fine here.

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From jwanderson at uswest.net  Wed Mar 28 18:12:53 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200103290012.f2T0Cvl07251@sprite.real-time.com>

On 28 Mar 01, at 15:19, Jay W. Anderson wrote:

> I must be missing something simple here (I feel like Phil's terminal)

I was.  Didn't list users in /etc/hosts.  That'll do it.

Jay

From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 08:12:55 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
Message-ID: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm currently running RedHat 7.0 on a Athlon 900.  I
only have a 8mb video card and looking for a 32mb
card.

I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. 
I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
easy.

Scott

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From fertch at mninter.net  Fri Mar 30 08:44:33 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: Qwest & RR, was Re: [TCLUG] Re: Borrowing RedHat installationdiscs
References: <sac1b353.078@mdh-gw1> <01032919454201.07396@debian>
Message-ID: <3AC49BD1.19A2A914@mninter.net>

Daniel Taylor wrote:

> On Wednesday 28 March 2001 09:47, you wrote:
> > I am under 13k feet, but Qwest refuses to give me DSL service (we don't
> > have the right equipment at the Fridley CO right now, as far as I have been
> > able to divine). Unfortunately, speed is not the issue for me, so cable has
> > not been the solution. Accessability at a cheap, cheap price is what I
> > need.
> >
> Don't even get me started on the POC that passes for POTS service in Fridley.
> Tip: The Fridley CO is damn well equipped for DSL, they just don't have the
> pairs to provide POTS service reliably. I'd bet the whole town needs
> rewiring...

I would venture to guess that almost all cities/towns are like this.


From andy at theasis.com  Fri Mar 30 08:57:34 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103300856230.21743-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

Can someone point me at a local vendor who sells the business card-sized
CD-R blanks? 

Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly?

Thanks, 

Andy


From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 09:48:03 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103300947500.10306-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Scott Dagastino wrote:
> I'm currently running RedHat 7.0 on a Athlon 900.  I
> only have a 8mb video card and looking for a 32mb
> card.
>
> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0.
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.

Matrox g400 AGP. :)

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From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar 30 09:53:18 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103300951480.19462-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Scott Dagastino wrote:

> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. 
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.

I've got a Matrox G400 w/ 32MB RAM. It was very easy to configure and I've
had no trouble with it at all.

-Tim

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From ben at nerp.net  Fri Mar 30 10:11:35 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (I R Baboon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef>

if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
being "slow"

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Joseph Heil wrote:

>
> snail mail   :)
>
> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> > Mailman is just too slow.
> >
> > Majordomo is just to old.
> >
> > Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
> >
> > Any other choices out there?
> >
> > --
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From veldy at veldy.net  Fri Mar 30 11:51:50 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
References: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c0b942$19257840$3028680a@tgt.com>

What MTA?  I understand performance sucks with Mailman/Sendmail.  Try
Mailman/Postfix.  It was developed under this combination.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Tanner" <tanner@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow


> Mailman is just too slow.
>
> Majordomo is just to old.
>
> Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
>
> Any other choices out there?
>
> --
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 12:37:50 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 10:11:35AM -0600
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>

Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net):
> if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
> hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
> being "slow"

If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on trying
to deliver that mail message for hours.

I have posted a bug to mailman on this.

So, what options in sendmail can I use to help speed up delivery?

If a host is down?

If address does not have MX record?


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From scottdagastino at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 08:59:01 2001
From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] video cards for Redhat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109713@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010330145901.9231.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com>

I am running RedHat 7.0 and looking at getting a
different video card that is compatiable with RH7.0. 
I'm looking for a 32mb video card that installation
and ease of installing with RH is very simple.  Any
suggestions.

Scott
--- "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> wrote:
> Actually, once you get qmail installed, ezmlm is
> pretty easy.  Qmail tends
> to be the annoying piece since you can't use ezmlm
> with anything else.
> 
> Log in as the user "tclug", follow the generic
> ezmlm-make command in the
> ezmlm faq to make the list tclug-list, and load your
> addresses from mailman
> into it with something like "cat addresses.txt |
> xargs --max-args 20
> ezmlm-sub ~/list"
> 
> And it's ready to go. 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:20 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
> > 
> > 
> > Mailman is just too slow. 
> > 
> > Majordomo is just to old.
> > 
> > Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to
> understand.
> > 
> > Any other choices out there?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone :
> (952)943-8700
> > http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   :
> (952)943-8500
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> 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 
> > 
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> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >
>
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> > 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 13:38:35 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: VLAN and Token Ring?
Message-ID: <20010330133835.I19975@real-time.com>

Can you do VLANs under Token Ring?

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 13:49:20 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make?
Message-ID: <20010330134920.J19975@real-time.com>

I have looked, but cannot find a way to pass options to make when using rpm to
build a package.

I want to pass make a "-j 2" so I can take advantage of my dual CPUs.

Passing things to gcc is not a problem, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc.. Is there an
equivalent for make?

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar 30 14:03:11 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:50PM -0600
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:50PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net):
>> if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
>> hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
>> being "slow"
>
>If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on trying
>to deliver that mail message for hours.
>
>I have posted a bug to mailman on this.
>
>So, what options in sendmail can I use to help speed up delivery?
>
>If a host is down?
>
>If address does not have MX record?
>

I use qmail and don't have these problems. Just my .02 but qmail kicks ass.
-- 
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 14:03:32 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:50PM -0600
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330140332.D27270@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010330 13:31]:
> Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net):
> > if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
> > hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
> > being "slow"
> 
> If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on trying
> to deliver that mail message for hours.

Has anyone even looked at the code that it hangs on, this should be a
Simple Matter of Programming.

mostly of the sort..

check something like 'host -t MX address.host.name'

then, if that doesn't exist, try connecting directly to
address.host.name

if you cant connect to address.host.name within 1min, stop and add one
to the bounce count for that user.

otherwise, try the MX record, do the same.

Does mailman not do that?  I dont have the time atm to check the code,
and i hate python :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
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From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us  Fri Mar 30 15:04:08 2001
From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make?
Message-ID: <sac4a086.053@mdh-gw1>

I'm not an authority, but MAKEFLAGS might do it for GNU make.

>>> tanner@real-time.com 03/30/01 01:49PM >>>
I have looked, but cannot find a way to pass options to make when using rpm to
build a package.

I want to pass make a "-j 2" so I can take advantage of my dual CPUs.

Passing things to gcc is not a problem, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc.. Is there an
equivalent for make?

-- 
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From ben at nerp.net  Fri Mar 30 14:14:09 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (I R Baboon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NIS
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301412050.26760-100000@chef>

ok.. I have a nice shiny new NIS server, debian potato, all setup, and
happy.  (this is a major upgrade from the SunOS 4.1.4 box :)
everything transfered smothly, and the clients are allready switched over
to the new server, but the only problem i've found so far is yppasswd.
the server is running yppasswdd, and it's supposedly working, but none of
the clients seem to think so:
yppasswd: yppasswdd not running on NIS master host

that's no fun :(

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."


From administrator at ltiflex.com  Fri Mar 30 09:45:18 2001
From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AC4AA0E.95C1F39F@ltiflex.com>

> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0.
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.

Just about any card is easy as long as you don't want 3D acceleration. There
is no easy way to get 3D acceleration working. You have to read the
documents and follow the instructions to get that. (And you thought it was
going to be hard!) Anyway, 

Anyway, Nvidia cards have seen the greatest steps forward and there still
isn't anything that competes with the GeForce2 cards. I'm perfectly happy
with my TNT2 however. G400 based cards are falling behind the curve 3D
acceleration wise, but they have a nice feature set that may appeal to you
if gaming is secondary. 2D on G200 and G400 cards is second to none. 

And between the g400 and the GeForce2 falls the Radeon. I haven't played
with one yet, but it does have DRI support, and 3D acceleration on earlier
ATI cards worked. The card has been out long enough that the drivers should
have caught up.

I can't think of any current cards that won't get you up and running in
XFree86, but stay with the big 3 (Matrix, Nvidia, ATI). You might be able to
find a Vodoo3,4 or 5 for cheap, but alas, 3dfx is no more. 

--
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21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055

From ben at nerp.net  Fri Mar 30 17:49:11 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (I R Baboon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NIS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301412050.26760-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301748410.7181-100000@chef>

nevermind.. for some reason (my stupidity) the hostname was not right.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."



From thudak at sistina.com  Fri Mar 30 10:13:44 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next Meeting: 4/7 High Availability Clustering
In-Reply-To: <20010329125610.H5026@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:10PM -0600
References: <20010329125610.H5026@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330101343.B5779@sistina.com>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:10PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote:
>Date: Saturday, April 7
>Time: noon-2pm
>Location: 
>	Benchmark Computer Learning Center
>	4510 West 77th St
>	Edina, MN
>Directions:
>	http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp
>
>Topic: High Availability Clustering for Linux
>Presenter: Greg Haney, SteelEye
Do you need a projector for this one?
Thanks,
-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From dutchman at uswest.net  Fri Mar 30 19:04:43 2001
From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Power Converter
Message-ID: <3AC52D2B.22C39AD0@mn.uswest.net>

Greet the sun all:

Does anyone know where I can purchase some three to four pin
converters?  I am putting in some extra fans in my box an I am looking
some converters to plug into my ATX power supply.  I have tried both
Tran Micro and my local Radio Shack with no joy.

Thank you,

--
Perry Hoekstra
E-Commerce Architect
Talent Software Services
perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com



From pwiechman at talkware.net  Fri Mar 30 19:32:27 2001
From: pwiechman at talkware.net (Paul Wiechman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling X: makedepend/Imakefile errors - HELP!?
Message-ID: <3AC533AB.75171590@talkware.net>

All,

Anyone come across this error when trying to compile XFree86? This
occurs at the same place on every 3 & 4 version of X.

Thanks for any help.

Paul

Building Release 6.4 of the X Window System.
 
I hope you checked the configuration parameters in ./config/cf
to see if you need to pass BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS.
 
Fri Mar 30 19:22:52 CST 2001
 
cd ./config/imake && make  -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="cc"
clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake'
rm -f ccimake imake.o imake
rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a tags TAGS make.log
\#*
rm -f -r Makefile.proto Makefile Makefile.dep bootstrap
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake'
make  Makefile.boot
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc'
cd ./config/imake && make -w -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="cc"
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake'
making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake
cc -o ccimake  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11
ccimake.c
cc -c  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake`
imake.c
cc -o imake  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 imake.o
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake'
rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto
./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf  -s
./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto -f ./config/makedepend/Imakefile
-DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/makedepend
In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:1724,
                 from Imakefile.c:32:
config/makedepend/Imakefile:48: unterminated string or character
constant
config/makedepend/Imakefile:21: possible real start of unterminated
constant
config/makedepend/Imakefile:19: unterminated `#if' conditional
./config/imake/imake: Exit code 1.
  Stop.
make[1]: *** [config/makedepend/Makefile.proto] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc'
make: *** [World] Error 2

From labmat at mn.mediaone.net  Fri Mar 30 21:11:22 2001
From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Power Converter
In-Reply-To: <3AC52D2B.22C39AD0@mn.uswest.net>
Message-ID: <PGEALFAHLOADOPBLFBKIIEECCBAA.labmat@mn.mediaone.net>

http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/


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-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On
Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:05 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] Power Converter

Greet the sun all:

Does anyone know where I can purchase some three to four pin
converters?  I am putting in some extra fans in my box an I am looking
some converters to plug into my ATX power supply.  I have tried both
Tran Micro and my local Radio Shack with no joy.

Thank you,

--
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From dhanson2 at uswest.net  Fri Mar 30 10:31:48 2001
From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005201c0b936$f18d3670$eaaf7a81@doug>

My 32mb Matrox G400 works just fine under 7

Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Dagastino" <scottdagastino@yahoo.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:12 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0


> I'm currently running RedHat 7.0 on a Athlon 900.  I
> only have a 8mb video card and looking for a 32mb
> card.
> 
> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. 
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.
> 
> Scott
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From jethro at yaron.org  Fri Mar 30 10:58:19 2001
From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <985971499.3ac4bb2b76943@dragon>

  Hi,

> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. 
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.

Are you trying to get 3D going on it or do you just want it to work?

I don't know which 3D-supporting cards are easy. I know nvidia and Matrox need 
you to download their own binary drivers (well,Matrox needs it for Dual Head 
support, not 3D). 

If you just want high-quality 2D display, get a Matrox G40/450. 

-Yaron

--

From wilson at visi.com  Fri Mar 30 11:03:12 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103300856230.21743-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103301102200.22893-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:

> Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly?

I've had good luck with CyberGuys. http://www.cyberguys.com/

-Tim

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Mar 30 11:18:27 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109716@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Microcenter in St. Louis park has 8cm CDR's.  They do not have the edges
shaved off like the actual business card ones though.  I think they cost
around $10 for 10 of em.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:58 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone point me at a local vendor who sells the business 
> card-sized
> CD-R blanks? 
> 
> Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Andy
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From zibby at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 11:25:15 2001
From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103301123060.8238-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

> I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com,
> but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb
> ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0.
> I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> easy.

Just about any card is easy as long as you don't want 3D acceleration.
There is no easy way to get 3D acceleration working. You have to read the
documents and follow the instructions to get that. (And you thought it was
going to be hard!) 

Anyway, Nvidia cards have seen the greatest steps forward and there still
isn't anything that competes with the GeForce2 cards. (3D wise) I'm
perfectly happy with my TNT2 however. G400 based cards are falling behind
the curve 3D acceleration wise, but they have a nice feature set that may
appeal to you if gaming is secondary. 2D on G200 and G400 cards is second
to none. 

And between the g400 and the GeForce2 falls the Radeon. I haven't played
with one yet, but it does have DRI support, and 3D acceleration on earlier
ATI cards worked. The card has been out long enough that the drivers
should have caught up.

I can't think of any current cards that won't get you up and running in
XFree86, but stay with the big 3 (Matrox, Nvidia, ATI) if you want 3D
accel and a better experience overall. You might be able to find a
Vodoo3,4 or 5 for cheap, but alas, 3dfx is no more. 

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Mar 28 20:07:46 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: Jay J's message of "Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:53:47 -0600"
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu>
	<NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com>
	<20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
	<20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org>
	<20010328125347.249ecf59.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <m3r8zhz5sd.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:39:14 -0600
> Scott Dier <dieman+tclug@ringworld.org> wrote:
> 
> > * Jay J <jay-tclug@3pound.com> [010328 03:33]:
> > > My tip for new RR installs: If you kick the support tech out after they hand over the modem, be sure they've got your MAC address of the NIC you plan to connect to it. (oops .. :)
> > 
> > TW/RR isn't as anal as M1/RR.  Here, anything I can connect to the cable
> > modem (up to 5 devices) gets an IP.  A real IP no less :)
> 
> 
> :-) WTF, without paying for the 5+ "blah, blah, home LAN" solution?
> 
> I've got a 3Com 2940CMX (2-way external), single RJ45. They claim to keep a database (which they lost once) of modem <-> MAC addresses. When I switched from 1-way to 2, I booted the tech and proceeded to hook it up - no go, I call - have a chat about MAC addresses, and voila.

They do keep such a database, but NAT replaces the MAC address with that of
the firewall, so no problem  :)

-- 
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For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Wed Mar 28 22:18:03 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
In-Reply-To: <985836599.3ac2ac3717edb@dragon>
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEENHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

> > beer metting not in a bar? Not sure I like the sound of that.
>
> Not only that, it's at a vegan restauraunt. Which I've been
> meaning to go to
> for a while.
>

And not only that, but Spencer, the manager, is a LUGie too! :o)

> Unfortunetly I'm in San Francisco! Aaaaaargh.
>
>

At least its green there. I just got back from Austin..its warm and green
there...and its grey and snow-rainy here. bargh.


From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net  Wed Mar 28 22:24:00 2001
From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RR not compatible?
In-Reply-To: <20010328125347.249ecf59.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328004219.009ec080@lenti.med.umn.edu> <NEBBKEFLCLKLGIHLFJPFCEFGCDAA.djake@mn.rr.com> <20010328032758.6e047d0c.jay-tclug@3pound.com> <20010328083914.N21084@ringworld.org> <20010328125347.249ecf59.jay-tclug@3pound.com>
Message-ID: <200103290424.f2T4OAx14596@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>

> p.s. "real IP" == static?

as far as i'm aware, no... "real IP" ==  Internet IP, not intranet IP
or I could be wrong...Scott knows more about his ISP than I do :P

- Kremer

From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 00:22:18 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NOISE
Message-ID: <20010329002218.F24632@real-time.com>

Sorry, made some IP changes and I don't know if it effect the list.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 01:04:52 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing #2
In-Reply-To: <20010329003433.A30561@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:34:33AM -0600
References: <20010329003433.A30561@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329010452.A31420@real-time.com>

Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> Is there a problem here?
> 

Sheesh. 30 minutes to send this out. Mail is coming, but it's all spooled up.
Not sure why an IP change would do this. Will look at it in the morning.

-- 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 29 01:18:57 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] natural point tracking device -- linux drivers
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109706@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://www.naturalpoint.com

You may have seen this on Slashdot the other day.  Very cool, it tracks
where you look on the monitor by way of a shiny dot you stick to your
forehead (yes, you probably look stupid wearing it :), and it's only $99.
Currently, there are no Linux drivers, but I sent them an email asking about
it, and here's what I got:

> Thanks a ton for your interest in the trackIR.  We are trying to put 
> together a team of programers who want to develop a Linux 
> driver right 
> now.  Because the unit just went on sale we haven't got 
> anything organized 
> as of yet.  A friend of the company is taking on the Linux 
> driver but help 
> is always appreciated.  Let me know if you would be 
> interested.  Otherwise, 
> check back in a couple months and we should have something posted.
> 
> We do have examples of the Cypress USB driver for Linux and 
> have released 
> the HEX file that gets programmed into the chip.  From there 
> we offer C++ 
> example code for making objects and tracking them.  There 
> isn't a pretty 
> app to make the cursor move, but that isn't too hard to do.  We are 
> committed to supporting this development effort in any way, 
> so if you need 
> more code or to talk to one of our guys it wouldn't be a problem.


Since I'm no USB wiz, and since I don't have time to do this, I probably
won't be able to help them.  But just in case someone here has some itchy
fingers to develop some drivers, I thought I would post it in case you
wanted to help out.  You can reach them at sales@naturalpoint.com.  

Jay

From shorejsi at skypoint.com  Sat Mar 31 09:36:04 2001
From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: VLAN and Token Ring?
References: <20010330133835.I19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3AC5F964.3070803@skypoint.com>

Bob Tanner wrote:

> Can you do VLANs under Token Ring?


If your switch supports it, you certainly can. Many switches even 
support mixed-topology VLANs with some nodes on Ethernet and others on 
T/R. (The latter requires transparent bridging which can introduce its 
own set of weirdies...)

HTH...


-=[ Steve ]=-



From jeffr at odeon.net  Sat Mar 31 10:14:24 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103311007320.12431-100000@odeon.net>

I just set up postfix+mailman on a test box (dual P2-333, 512 megs ram,
RH7.1b2) and it's been anything but slow with my test lists, but then I
haven't migrated any of my larger lists yet (currently on RH6.2, sendmail
with majordomo).

Jeff

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, I R Baboon wrote:

> if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
> hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
> being "slow"
> 
> Thank You,
>         Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
> 
>  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
> 
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Joseph Heil wrote:
> 
> >
> > snail mail   :)
> >
> > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> > > Mailman is just too slow.
> > >
> > > Majordomo is just to old.
> > >
> > > Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand.
> > >
> > > Any other choices out there?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > --
> > Joseph A. Heil, Jr.                  Oracle DBA
> > heilja@dbsource.com                  http://www.dbsource.com
> > voice: 952-445-8066                  fax:   952-445-5196
> > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85  3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Mar 31 10:18:17 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEENHCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0103311017210.524-100000@dragon>

  Hi,

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> And not only that, but Spencer, the manager, is a LUGie too! :o)

Huh. I'll have to go there sometime (: Do they have parking?

> > Unfortunetly I'm in San Francisco! Aaaaaargh.
> At least its green there. I just got back from Austin..its warm and green
> there...and its grey and snow-rainy here. bargh.

Yeah, it _was_ nice, even though I was working till like midnight
everyday...

Next time I've got to try and look around.

-Yaron

--


From aton at skyenet.net  Sat Mar 31 10:35:51 2001
From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NXDOMAIN error with named in syslog
Message-ID: <200103311630.f2VGUGl03992@pop.skyenet.net>

Hello. I recently setup named on RH 7.0 with 2.4.2, and whenever I start
the named service, I get the following error in my syslog:

Mar 22 23:04:21 router named[3531]: sysquery: findns error (NXDOMAIN) on
router.1.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA?
Mar 22 23:06:56 router named[3531]: reloading nameserver

The name server seems to work, but I can't figure out why its doing that.
Below I'll attach my two named files from /var/named

Thanks for the help!
Aton

---BEGIN 192.168.1.100---
@	IN	SOA	router.root (
			 2001031801 ; serial
 			3600 ; refresh
 			900 ; retry
 			1209600 ; expire
 			43200 ; default_ttl
 			)
@	IN	PTR	illusion.com.
@	IN	NS		router
100	IN	PTR	router.illusion.com.
1		IN	PTR	linux.illusion.com.
30	IN	PTR	server.illusion.com.
---END FILE---

---BEGIN illusion.com----
@	IN	SOA	router.root (
 			2001032201 ; serial
 			3600 ; refresh
 			900 ; retry
 			1209600 ; expire
 			43200 ; default_ttl
 			)
develop	IN	A	192.168.1.32
router		IN	A	192.168.1.100
linux		IN	A	192.168.1.1
server		IN	A	192.168.1.30
@		IN	MX	5	router.
@		IN	NS	router.
@		IN	A	192.168.1.100
---END FILE---

Thanks again.





From natecars at real-time.com  Sat Mar 31 11:54:18 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NXDOMAIN error with named in syslog
In-Reply-To: <200103311630.f2VGUGl03992@pop.skyenet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103311153250.10097-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Aton wrote:
> Hello. I recently setup named on RH 7.0 with 2.4.2, and whenever I start
> the named service, I get the following error in my syslog:
>
> Mar 22 23:04:21 router named[3531]: sysquery: findns error (NXDOMAIN) on
> router.1.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA?
> Mar 22 23:06:56 router named[3531]: reloading nameserver
>
> The name server seems to work, but I can't figure out why its doing that.
> Below I'll attach my two named files from /var/named


> ---BEGIN 192.168.1.100---
> @	IN	SOA	router.root (
> 			 2001031801 ; serial
>  			3600 ; refresh
>  			900 ; retry
>  			1209600 ; expire
>  			43200 ; default_ttl
>  			)
> @	IN	PTR	illusion.com.
> @	IN	NS		router

needs to be 'router.illusion.com.'

otherwise, it's looking for router.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa, 'cuz that's
what you told it the NS server is..

> 100	IN	PTR	router.illusion.com.
> 1		IN	PTR	linux.illusion.com.
> 30	IN	PTR	server.illusion.com.
> ---END FILE---
>
> ---BEGIN illusion.com----
> @	IN	SOA	router.root (
>  			2001032201 ; serial
>  			3600 ; refresh
>  			900 ; retry
>  			1209600 ; expire
>  			43200 ; default_ttl
>  			)
> develop	IN	A	192.168.1.32
> router		IN	A	192.168.1.100
> linux		IN	A	192.168.1.1
> server		IN	A	192.168.1.30
> @		IN	MX	5	router.
> @		IN	NS	router.
> @		IN	A	192.168.1.100
> ---END FILE---
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
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From jwanderson at uswest.net  Thu Mar 29 03:39:16 2001
From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <20010329004838.Q21084@ringworld.org>
References: <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 05:36:28PM -0600
Message-ID: <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com>

On 29 Mar 01, at 0:48, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Jay W. Anderson <jwanderson@uswest.net> [010328 18:43]:
> > wu-ftpd 2.4.2b15-5 (RH 5.0 base install) 
> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
> 
> Ok, first of all, reinstall that box.  RH5.0 is way-eol'd at this date.
> 
I know, but I can't get any newer RH installed (only 8M
 of ram)  may have to try debian (per the zealots 8^} )

> Plus, how old of wu is that? Yikes!  Be careful with that thing being on
> the net.
ditto, looking to upgrade/update... e.g. how _does_ one upgrade rpm 
w/ rpm? (have to, to upgrade), really need to check out apt...

8*)

Jay

From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Mar 31 15:44:32 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:39:16AM -0600
References: <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>; <20010329004838.Q21084@ringworld.org> <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010331154432.A1911@vm-lvm>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:39:16AM -0600, Jay W. Anderson wrote:
>ditto, looking to upgrade/update... e.g. how _does_ one upgrade rpm 
>w/ rpm? (have to, to upgrade), really need to check out apt...

rpm -Uvh rpm-package.rpm

>
>8*)
>
>Jay
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From spencer at sihope.com  Sat Mar 31 16:11:17 2001
From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE:Power Converter (Perry Hoekstra)
In-Reply-To: <200103310744.f2V7iiG31710@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBKJFJAMAGLKGFGEMNGEGCCAAA.spencer@sihope.com>

If I understand you correctly you want to take a three pin fan connector
 the kind that attaches to the MB) and make it fit a four pin molex
connector. This is a job for weasel techs. All you do is splice the red to
red and the black to black and the white is usually ground. Make sure you
pull the metal out of the plastic housing first and wrap the wire around the
connector very well. This also works well for those annoying cpu fans that
want to plug in the board, that your board doesn't support. And last but not
least, you can repair all those old power supplies with the burnt-out fan in
a similar fashion.

Nothing broken  --Everything is fixable.

-AAAunderground


From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Mar 29 07:28:57 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
In-Reply-To: <B0010435606@IS3.LSOL.NET>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFKEKICKAA.jsowers@osii.com>

thanks for the Virus jackass.  If you can't trust your local lug, whom can
you trust?

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Hahaha
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!


Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the
Seven
Dwarfs enter...



From esper at sherohman.org  Sat Mar 31 18:55:52 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFKEKICKAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 07:28:57AM -0600
References: <B0010435606@IS3.LSOL.NET> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFKEKICKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010331185552.A11708@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 07:28:57AM -0600, someone wrote:
> thanks for the Virus jackass.  If you can't trust your local lug, whom can
> you trust?

Oh, come on...  Even if you hadn't noticed this outlook worm the last time it 
showed up on this list, it looks like porn spam.  You should know better than
to open anything attached to porn spam, especially when the sender address is 
as obviously bogus as "sexyfun@hahaha.net".

Even if it weren't an outlook worm, remember that the TCLUG list is open to
anyone who wants to subscribe and it's unmoderated as well.  Just because a
message comes from the LUG list doesn't mean that the LUG or any of its
members endorse the content - odds are, nobody but the sender even knows the 
message was sent until after the list delivers it to them.

(And then, of course, there's the minor matter of this being an _outlook_
worm.  The person it came from almost certainly wasn't even aware it was
being sent.  Now, perhaps you meant "if you can't trust your local LUG's
members not to run outlook, whom can you trust?", but if the virus bit you,
you must've been using a Windows mail client, too.  And your headers say your
complaint was sent using outlook...  Pot.  Kettle.  Black.)

-- 
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    - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux"
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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Mar 31 19:22:18 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFKEKICKAA.jsowers@osii.com>; from jsowers@osii.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 07:28:57AM -0600
References: <B0010435606@IS3.LSOL.NET> <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFKEKICKAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <20010331192218.C18462@real-time.com>

Quoting Jason Sowers (jsowers@osii.com):
> thanks for the Virus jackass.  If you can't trust your local lug, whom can
> you trust?

I normally don't jump into to this, but I have to say you BOTH are the
jackasses.  IF you are on a LINUX user group mailing list why are you running
outlook?

I just chuckle when these messages come across.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From thudak at sistina.com  Thu Mar 29 09:10:44 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing #2
In-Reply-To: <20010329003433.A30561@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:34:33AM -0600
References: <20010329003433.A30561@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329091044.A15053@sistina.com>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:34:33AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Is there a problem here?
dosn't look like it.
Thanks,
-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Mar 29 09:32:46 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Net theory: contention
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103281913160.4490-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0103290909060.14289-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

>      Actually I thought it could be set up like a cb radio. You would have
> a certain number of "channels" or different frequencies running across the
> same wire, like broadband has "channels" as well going over coax.

OK, um, that's what I'm talking about too.  I think the use of the term
"broadband" may be what's misleading here.  There is no difference between
broadcast RF signals and things that you can push down a wire, except that
it doesn't take as much energy to do so.  A "channel" is simply those
frequencies between some lower bound and some upper bound.  That is to
say, by definition, a channel has some finite bandwidth.  The sum of the
bandwidths of all the channels sort of *has to* be less than the bandwidth
of the transmission medium.  So, if you want to give people channels,
you're describing divvying up the available bandwidth.

Sometimes, you can do this in such a way that throughput is optimized, but
(if I understood correctly) you are trying to create *more*
bandwidth.  Channels would not do this uniformly.

The thing that you can't get around is that frequency and time are flip
sides of the same coin.  You can't send data quickly without high
frequencies, and you can't send a lot at the same time without *many*
frequencies.  If you have many frequencies, some are destined to be high
freqs.  So, you end up needing high frequencies again, hence, bandwidth.

> Each host "ethernet" card would have a certain number of channels they
> communicate on. 

Sure, but (see above) channels are band limited.

> If any other hosts on the network need to
> communicate, their "ethernet" cards find the lowest open channel and
> transmit on that channel. Anytime any host wants to communicate with
> another, it simply picks the lowest channel available. 

That's a good concept, but unfortunately there's nothing *simple* about
it!  Shared frequency is a very difficult and interesting area of
engineering.  Thing is, you'd be talking about NICs that cost more than
the computers they were in.

> the netword agree on that protocol, it would be very simple and not
> too complex or time consuming. I tried drawing a simple map of
> possibilities in hosts communicating across the network, and couldn't
> come up with a way there would be conflicts.

I think it'd be a little more tough than you realize.  How would the
receiving NIC keep track of what it was listening for on what channel?  If
you did it by sending data identifiers on each channel, I think you'd have
a lot of overhead and bring your data rate down.  Would it be enough to
matter?  Dunno, but I still can't get around how to do a transmission
medium that is better than just a faster one (wider pipe.)

>    Another nice thing about this is it would prevent ping attacks. If your
> machine is being pinged to death, you could go to the multi channel card
> and put a lock on the channel your card is on, and simply open another
> lowest channel. You would have a lot more freedom.

You might; but you'd be working so hard to pay for the hardware that you
might not get to enjoy it! <g>

I am not suggesting that your idea's a bad one.  But, there's some laws of
physics to get around.  Every digital signal is transmitted ultimately as
an analog one.  Remember, as the stupid quote goes, 

"186,000 miles per second:  not just a good idea -- it's the Law!"

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From drake at lemongecko.org  Thu Mar 29 09:53:27 2001
From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] problems compiling POSE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103281359380.31218-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103290948440.1133-100000@aleph-one.localdomain>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote:
> This sounds distinctly like a hardware issue. Try compiling a kernel or
> something equally large and see if you have similar problems.

  I've been able to compile kernels, but I've also experienced a general,
intermittent flakiness that I suspect is hardware related. So I
un-overclocked my Celeron 300A, pulled out a table fan, and sure 'nuff,
Pose compiled.
  Unfortunately, it segfaults when I run it. I'll have to table this
project, though, and get back to it after the semester is over. Thanks for
the help...

  Dan



-- 
/*---------------------------------
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http://lemongecko.org/~drake/
---------pgp encouraged----------*/


From florin at iucha.net  Sat Mar 31 22:10:17 2001
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
In-Reply-To: <20010331192218.C18462@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103312209040.1026-100000@monkey.iucha.org>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Quoting Jason Sowers (jsowers@osii.com):
> > thanks for the Virus jackass.  If you can't trust your local lug, whom can
> > you trust?
> 
> I normally don't jump into to this, but I have to say you BOTH are the
> jackasses.  IF you are on a LINUX user group mailing list why are you running
> outlook?

C'mon... He was just testing the Visual Basic emulator/intepreter from
Evolution...

florin



From jasonj at innominatus.org  Sat Mar 31 22:17:20 2001
From: jasonj at innominatus.org (Jason J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem
Message-ID: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org>

I am trying to get quake3 to run under linux for the first time.

I am running the following

Geforce 2 MX
Debian Unstable updated as of 1 day ago
Xfree 4.02-12
2.4.2 custom from debian kernel source

I have the nvidia drirver/module compiled with this kernel and it is
loaded

lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
snd-mixer-oss           5088   1  (autoclean)
snd-card-via686a        7616   1
snd-mpu401-uart         3072   0  [snd-card-via686a]
snd-rawmidi            10816   0  [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device          4288   0  [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec         24544   0  [snd-card-via686a]
snd-mixer              25152   0  [snd-mixer-oss snd-ac97-codec]
snd-pcm                33888   0  [snd-card-via686a]
snd-timer               9520   0  [snd-pcm]
snd                    37792   1  [snd-mixer-oss snd-card-via686a
snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-mixer
snd-pcm snd-timer]
NVdriver              626992  12
usb-storage            21760   0  (unused)
hid                    11728   0  (unused)
usb-uhci               22976   0  (unused)
3c59x                  23584   1

I get all kinds of different errors because i have tried alot of
different settings and configurations of X. I am run quake in dedicated
mode with no problem. So the problem has to exist with its interaction
with X. And I am sure my XF86Config needs to be setup correctly

I have copied and pasted some of the vital sections of my XF86Config
below:
Section "Module"
        Load  "GLcore"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "pex5"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "xie"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        ### Available Driver options are:-
        #Option     "SWcursor"
        #Option     "HWcursor"
        #Option     "NoAccel"
        #Option     "ShowCache"
        #Option     "ShadowFB"
        Option      "IgnoreEDID" "1"   ## Side note, this makes X ignore
what the monitor reports as valid display modes. my monitor can easily
handle 2048x1536, but reports its max res as 1600x1200
        #Option     "UseFBDev"
        #Option     "Rotate"
        Identifier  "Card0"
        Driver      "nvidia"
        VendorName  "NVidia"
        BoardName   "GeForce2 MX"
        BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
        VideoRam    32768
EndSection

Section "DRI"
        Mode 0666
EndSection


This machine is a dual boot with Windows 2000 and Quake 3 runs fine from
there.




From mike at getbent.net  Tue Mar 27 20:03:49 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Odd KDE things
Message-ID: <01032720034900.00512@Dingo>

I recently upgraded to KDE 2.1 with XF86 4.1 to try to solve an irritating 
little problem I was having.

Since KDE 2.0 XF86 3.3.6 sometimes when I start an app in KDE being Netscape, 
Konqueror, or an Xterm it seems as if the kdeinit or whatever hangs for a 
while taking its sweet little time before deciding to open the app.  There 
are occasions where I'll see it start but not open at all.   Odd thing is I 
can't find nary a trace of a failure in any of the logs.  It's not all the 
time nor does it seem to be based on the load of the machine.  
 
I run a Dual P3 550 with a Gig of ram.  The same behavior can be seen if I 
have  dnetc running or nothing at all.    
 
I can't seem to explain it.


Distro Slackware 7.1 Current (As of a month or two ago) 
 
Kernel 2.4.2



-- 


-----------------------------
|\/|ike@GetBent.net

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Mar 29 10:24:48 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <3AC361D0.C3A68FD5@ltiflex.com>

ReiserFS and exporting to Windows via SAMBA and Linux via NFS. :)

Anyway, where did you get the notion that you can't do fat32? It works just
fine. NTFS works great read-only (even NTFS5, Windows 2000) but I haven't
tried enabling write.

For DOS FAT support my suggestion is disable MSDOS fs support but enable
VFAT (Windows-95) fs support. The only use for MSDOS fs support is if you're
running Linux with umsdos filesystem. Otherwise, just use vfat. 

Somewhere out there there is a readonly ext2 driver for windows. I've used
it, it works. No security at all though, but that would be ok for mp3. In
the end, given the file systems that Windows supports, vfat filesystems work
best for sharing physical media with mutiple operating systems. If you're
exporting the file system over the network, try ReiserFS. In most cases
you'll pick up a little extra space with ReiserFS over ext2. 

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar 29 18:26:03 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendfax & mgetty
In-Reply-To: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
	<3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <20010329182603.3a7fe9d9.blayer@qwest.net>

I'm trying to get set up to send & recieve faxes.. Sendfax seems simple enough,
but what is the deal with mgetty? Why is it required, and does it replace agetty?
Is it possible to use a modem to recieve faxes, and still have that modem generally
available to other software when it's not in the process of recieving a fax? 

Anyone have these set up? Is there a better set of programs for faxes (I looked at
Hylafax, it seems too large-scale for my very basic fax needs... or is it?)

Thanks,

-- 


                           -.bill.layer.-
                          
-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.-

           -.frogtown.-     -.minnesota.-      -.u.s.a.-

From blayer at qwest.net  Thu Mar 29 18:27:56 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta7 released
In-Reply-To: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
	<3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <20010329182756.4b896fc1.blayer@qwest.net>

The subject line says it all, you owe it to yourself to look at the new Opera
if you use a GUI browser with any regularity. They are really getting good,
I look forward to the first full release. 

PS Mozilla (0.81?) still dies over here,

-- 


                           -.bill.layer.-
                          
-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.-

           -.frogtown.-     -.minnesota.-      -.u.s.a.-

From kbullock at ringworld.org  Thu Mar 29 14:05:59 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103290945500.3106-100000@chaos.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103291403120.9687-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, duncan wrote:

> I have heard a few different oponions on how to do this... use NTFS, but
> my may have problems writing... use Fat16 so both can access it, no use
> fat32...  How is everyone here seting up their drives to access it from
> both windoze and linux?  

I would use FAT32. Well, I *do* use FAT32. I don't think it would make
much difference if you used FAT16, except that it doesn't deal as well
with large filesystems. Win95A could read it though, if you need that
capability.

I would be very interested in seeing a Windows program that could read
ext2... I had a problem with wanting to put a symlink on a FAT32
partition, and it wouldn't let me :)

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Mar 29 14:49:04 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] reverse proxy/web accelerators
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096F7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:24:47PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1096F7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010329144904.S27949@real-time.com>

> Besides Squid, are there any other high performance reverse proxies/cache
> servers for Linux?  How do they compare with squid?

I heard once that Apache+some proxying module, was a better cache than
squid. It was a while ago, and I don't remember much more than that. 

Squid has probably gotten better, tho. :)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From blayer at qwest.net  Fri Mar 30 17:02:02 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE:Power Converter (Perry Hoekstra)
In-Reply-To: <NFBBKJFJAMAGLKGFGEMNGEGCCAAA.spencer@sihope.com>
References: <200103310744.f2V7iiG31710@sprite.real-time.com>
	<NFBBKJFJAMAGLKGFGEMNGEGCCAAA.spencer@sihope.com>
Message-ID: <20010330170202.1fa551b8.blayer@qwest.net>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:11:17 -0600
"spencer" <spencer@sihope.com> wrote:

> Nothing broken  --Everything is fixable.

If I can't fix it, I can fix it so it can't be fixed.

B

From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 15:03:35 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] TRENDnet PCcards from General Nanosystems
In-Reply-To: <200103290236.f2T2adl09480@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329210335.5404.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

anybody out there use the trendnet 'TRENDnet® TU-ET100
10/100 USB Ethernet Adapter'? the 3com PCI that i use
now is on loan and the owner wants it back so i am
thinking of getting a USB NIC... are they any good? do
they work with linux? doesnt USB have a 1.5Mbps speed
limit? 

any help would be apreciated...

 -munir

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From m_nassar at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 15:06:43 2001
From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Beer Meeting
In-Reply-To: <200103290236.f2T2adl09480@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010329210643.6071.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

i wish i could make it but i have to work...maybe next
time ill take a few hours off...

BTW: can somebody please kill these anoying mimes?

 -munir

> Message: 1
> From: "Jacqueline Urick" <jacque@fruitioninc.com>
> To: "Tclug-Announce" <tclug-announce@mn-linux.org>,
>    "Tclug-List" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:54:47 -0600
> Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at
> Mud Pie
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> Hey folks-
> 
> We'll be having our beer meeting tomorrow at Mud Pie
> near uptown. Its not a
> "bar" so its all-ages. They do have beer and wine.
> 
> All the details are here:
>  http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/
> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> Jacque
> 
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From bgilbertson at stonel.com  Thu Mar 29 15:28:20 2001
From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
References: <20010329161220.67016.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AC3A8F3.3385CA8F@stonel.com>

One option:

http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm

Bob


Jonathan Kline wrote:
> 
> Vfat/Fat32 is probaly the best way. Although if you make it an ext2
> partition, then there is a program to read and write ext2 partitions
> for Windows, I believe it's called WinExt or something, I'll look it
> up when I get home tonite.
> 
> --- duncan <duncan@sodatrain.com> wrote:
> >
> > So ive got my new 40G HD for mostly for growing and conslidating my
> > mp3
> > collections... I want to set it up so that i can pull it out of my
> > linux
> > box at work and drop it into a crappy windoze box that i have at
> > home and
> > be able to access my mp3 stash that i gather at work (2-T1's) at
> > home.

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Mar 29 16:44:04 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109711@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

New site is at http://www.freeworlddialup.com, just posted today.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austad, Jay 
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
> 
> 
> http://www.pulver.com/fwd
> 
> Not launched yet, but I'm a beta tester for it.  I still 
> haven't received my
> Komodo gateway though and it was supposed to be here last week.
> 
> You need some sort of high speed connection to use it though, 
> DSL, Cable,
> T1, etc.  And a static IP.  Apparently you'll be able to buy the Cisco
> Komodo gateways in Best Buy this summer.  
> 
> Basically, your gateway plugs into your network, and into 
> your phone line.
> You plug your phone into the gateway.  When you pick up your 
> phone to make a
> call, if it's local it gets passed over your normal phone 
> line, if it's LD
> the gateway checks the FWD server for another node in the 
> area code that you
> are calling, if one exists, it tells the remote gateway to 
> dial the number
> for you, and then patches your gateway to the remote one via IP.  If a
> remote node doesn't exist, it just routes over your normal 
> line.  You have
> to obviously share your line with others calling your area 
> code, but you get
> free phone calls to other places (even out of the country).
> 
> Jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Jorgensen [mailto:jasonj@talkware.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:45 AM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Dialpad, phonefree.
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone found any free or real cheap long distance 
> calling services
> > like dialpad or phonefree that support linux? Even if the 
> > service was 1
> > cent a minute I would use it.
> > 
> > The only one that I have found is Phonenet 
(www.phonenet.net). But it
> requires hardware and I would prefer a software solution. And the rate
> is either going to be 3 or 4 cents a minute. And I can just 
> get a phone
> card with a rate of 3.9 cents a minute.
> 
> 
> 
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From zibby at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 11:27:54 2001
From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Read/Write HD in linux and windoze...
In-Reply-To: <200103300020.f2U0K9w07945@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103301125370.8238-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

ReiserFS and exporting to Windows via SAMBA and Linux via NFS. :)

Anyway, where did you get the notion that you can't do fat32? It works
just fine. (Even if your format the drive with Windows ME) NTFS works
great read-only (even NTFS5, Windows 2000) but I haven't tried enabling
write (it's still marked DANGEROUS) 

For DOS FAT support my suggestion is disable MSDOS fs support but enable
VFAT (Windows-95) fs support. The only use for MSDOS fs support is if
you're running Linux with umsdos filesystem. Otherwise, just use vfat. 

Somewhere out there there is a readonly ext2 driver for windows. I've used
it, it works. (Actually there's more than one now) No security at all
though, but that would be ok for mp3. 

In the end, given the file systems that Windows supports, vfat filesystems
work best for sharing physical media with mutiple operating systems. If 
you're exporting the file system over the network, try ReiserFS. In most 
cases you'll pick up a little extra space with ReiserFS over ext2.

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From simeonuj at eetc.com  Fri Mar 30 11:42:12 2001
From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103300856230.21743-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <3AC4C55B.CC7D6957@eetc.com>

We use Wenzel Data.
They have been great so far.  Don't think that they are just local though.

http://www.wenzeldata.com/

sim

andy@theasis.com wrote:
> 
> Can someone point me at a local vendor who sells the business card-sized
> CD-R blanks?
> 
> Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy
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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Wed Mar 28 15:54:47 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMMENDCDAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Hey folks-

We'll be having our beer meeting tomorrow at Mud Pie near uptown. Its not a
"bar" so its all-ages. They do have beer and wine.

All the details are here:
 http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/

Hope to see you there!

Jacque

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 12:12:16 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup
In-Reply-To: <200103290012.f2T0Cvl07251@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 06:12:53PM -0600
References: <200103282119.f2SLJRl02393@sprite.real-time.com> <200103290012.f2T0Cvl07251@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330121216.P19975@real-time.com>

Quoting Jay W. Anderson (jwanderson@uswest.net):
> On 28 Mar 01, at 15:19, Jay W. Anderson wrote:
> 
> > I must be missing something simple here (I feel like Phil's terminal)
> 
> I was.  Didn't list users in /etc/hosts.  That'll do it.

I don't think you can say FTP and secure in the same sentence can you?
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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 12:34:33 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103300947500.10306-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:48:03AM -0600
References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103300947500.10306-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330123433.C27270@ringworld.org>

* Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> [010330 10:50]:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Scott Dagastino wrote:
> > ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0.
> > I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very
> > easy.
> Matrox g400 AGP. :)

Tran's got some dualhead g450's for cheap.

Also, if you need opengl dualhead, the Geforce2 MX cards are *really
cool* for that.  But, you would have to figure out how to instal the
Nvidia drivers. (/me runs a Geforce2 GTS card.)

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Mar 30 12:33:35 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103300951480.19462-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:53:18AM -0600
References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103300951480.19462-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010330123335.D1448@vm-lvm>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:53:18AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
>I've got a Matrox G400 w/ 32MB RAM. It was very easy to configure and I've
>had no trouble with it at all.
Actually I have two here at Sistina that have a new FW rev that will NOT work
with out of box debian X4.02 drivers and requires the mga_drv.o from matrox's
site to be dropped into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/driver/ in order to work.
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 13:32:46 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <002b01c0b942$19257840$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:51:50AM -0600
References: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com> <002b01c0b942$19257840$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010330133246.E19975@real-time.com>

Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net):
> What MTA?  I understand performance sucks with Mailman/Sendmail.  Try
> Mailman/Postfix.  It was developed under this combination.

Sendmail.

Sourceforge used Postfix? Never noticed.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 13:37:22 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:50PM -0600
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010330133722.H19975@real-time.com>

Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net):
> > if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
> > hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
> > being "slow"
> 
> If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on
> trying to deliver that mail message for hours.

I guess the bottom line is, what options in sendmail can be tweaked so that if a
delivery exception (timeout on connect, user unknown, etc.) happens it will just
move on and not sit on the exception for minutes.

I'd like to stick to sendmail, but if necessary, I'll move to postfix.

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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri Mar 30 15:15:40 2001
From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 02:03:11PM -0600
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com> <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm>
Message-ID: <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org>

* Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> [010330 15:06]:
> I use qmail and don't have these problems. Just my .02 but qmail kicks ass.

too bad its licensing #@)( people in the ass.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Mar 30 15:44:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make?
In-Reply-To: <20010330134920.J19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103301543310.3691-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> I have looked, but cannot find a way to pass options to make when using rpm to
> build a package.
>
> I want to pass make a "-j 2" so I can take advantage of my dual CPUs.
>
> Passing things to gcc is not a problem, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc.. Is there an
> equivalent for make?

you can just execute the 'make' command under the rpm..

for example (From courier-imap.spec):

%prep
%setup -q
%configure --localstatedir=%{_localstatedir} \
        --with-authdaemonvar=%{authdaemondir}

%build
(cd tcpd; touch INSTALL NEWS README COPYING AUTHORS ChangeLog)
make
make check
%install

you could easily pass the params you want after the 'make' there.

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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Fri Mar 30 16:08:11 2001
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow
In-Reply-To: <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>
References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.30.0103301010210.13586-100000@chef>
	<20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <m23dbuc3lg.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> writes:

> Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net):
> > if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple
> > hundred thousand emails before lunchtime.  I've never heard of mailman
> > being "slow"
> 
> If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on trying
> to deliver that mail message for hours.
> 
> I have posted a bug to mailman on this.
> 
> So, what options in sendmail can I use to help speed up delivery?

Convert to qmail, postfix, or something with some performance.
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