I promised the System administrator in our office in Burnsville I would ask this knowledgable collective if they know anything about the following two organizations: 1. Catalyst Technology Group 2. Black Hole Internet Catalyst has announced DSL for Burnsville (Frontier country) and their package has ISP services provided by Black Hole. (Its not the name I would have chosen.) Those of you that work for competing organizations please play nice. ;-) (If you can get us better than ISDN in Bursville, in the V between 35W and 35E let me know off list.) Thanks for any insights, Jack