> Now decibels are not anything as far as Psychophysics -- whatever that is!

OK, what I was referring to is a (possibly manufactured) recollection of a
correspondence between 1 dB and the minimum difference detectible by human
audio perceptual apparatus. Psychophysics is concerned with the
translation of perceived differences into "actual" differences. I.e., how
much more amplification (power) do you have to apply to make something
seem twice as loud, or twice as bright. How much more weight to seem twice
as heavy. Note I'm putting things in terms of ratios. 

> ;) -- decibels are simply one tenth of a bel, which is a unit of relative
> change.  They are very handy for electrical, acoustical, and a couple of
> other log scale measurements, 

Keep in mind that there is in fact always a reference against which to
compare any sound that hits an eardrum or a microphone membrane:  the
sound pressure level caused by air molecules bouncing around on the
membrane. This baseline becomes, in effect, the tared 0 point, because
both inner ear pressures are equalized in terms of that. (Aside: I've not
yet successfully thought through how this translates to pressure on either
side of a microphone membrane.) If you've ever stepped into an anechoic
chamber you know what I'm getting at.

Anyway, the above correspondence I mentioned does exist, but it may be
true that it just happened to work out that 1dB over background is pretty
close to the minimum detectible change in sound pressure level. OTOH, I'm
probably just wrong. I'll have to go check on that one.

> but you could just as easily say that Joe who
> makes $20k/year earns 6dB$ less than Sue who makes $40k/year.  

I think I disagree. First, I think it has to refer to power.  I guess you
can make a case to call $ power, but that's rather a departure from what
the Bell Labs folk were addressing. Really, though, as soon as you get
outside of power (into Voltage or Sound Pressure),
you're dealing with additional translations.

Also I think you want to say s/6/3/ dB, since log10(2) = .301, meaning a
doubling of _power_ (or $) is 3.01 ~ 3 dB. 

Um... Remember that power is proportional to (voltage)^2, so using 6dB
would be appropriate if you were talking about voltage instead of power --
a doubling of voltage is a 6dB increase or a power ratio of 4. 

> You have to specify the units, which in this case are understood to be
> dBFS (decibels w.r.t. Full Scale -- whatever $MAXVALUE is for your
> wordlength.)

Ahh, ok. Except the part of being understood. As mentioned above, my
inclination is not to reference Full Scale by default. 

> Does that make it make more sense?  

That last part does clarify it quite a bit. Also you did force me to think
hard enough to organize the ratio thing a bit more. But the power
vs. voltage thing still leaves me wondering how this software is operating
on the sampled signal in the .wav. 

Andy

> Phil