[Disclaimer: I haven't done a lot (any really) Java programming recently. So take any suggestions in that light.] Have you tried IBM's Visual Age for Java? I suspect its like Forte slow. As far as IDE editor/compilers I tried jikes a while back and it seemed to work. I don't know if/what debugging facility provides. I think its listed on freshmeat. If not try C|net's download.com. Jack On Friday 08 June 2001 15:26, you wrote: > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > Anything I'm missing?