From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 00:12:29 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: References: <20010531220000.W23403@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010601001229.31d1a07a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Jacqueline Urick" wrote: > > I guess I'd agree with alot of these points that Mr. Reynauld makes. I > don't think he's bad-mouthing Linux. He's pointing out what is really > keeping it from becoming mainstream. I can only really see one issue in the article: the need to train users to understand Linux. And, as Ben pointed out, people who have never used computers can learn Linux just as well as anything else. The big problem is where people expect Linux to behave like Windows. If you've ever been in a Novell or networked Windows environment, the multi-user concept isn't too hard to grasp. If you know how to do CTRL-ALT-DEL and select a process to kill, `ps' and `kill' won't be too hard to learn. If you've used DOS or command-line ftp, the bash command line isn't hard to comprehend either. Granted, I don't feel there's a good filemanager for Linux yet, but hopefully that will get fixed soon (and, of course, personal preferences vary quite a bit, so maybe people will like something that's already working). The remaining problems can be solved with VMWare or some other virtualization layer. It's inelegant, I know, but a great many organizations are already doing essentially the same thing on their Macintosh systems. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ship it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 1 01:36:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best way to chk if named is running and restart if n ot Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280845@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Install the daemontools package from Dan Bernstein. http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html They offer an excellent way to make sure processes never die. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] best way to chk if named is running and restart if not On Thu, 31 May 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > RedHat 6.1 server. Running as DNS server. Named stops randomly. > > > > What is the best way to chk if named is running and to restart named if it > > is stopped? > > I've been considering writing a script to do this... I figure you could > just take advantage of sysv init, go through /etc/init.d/, run each > script with 'status', if its running good, if its dead start it... > > But Debian apparently doesn't implement 'status'. Blah. And seems to me, > the ultimate thing would be to run everything from init, since it > already has logic for keeping processes running, without flooding the > system with spawns... or just use netsaint to check it, and rig up an external script to have it start. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jts at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 03:27:03 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <200106010515.f515F6K15882@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm inclined to agree with the author that it would be a difficult task for Linux to displace Windows on today's corporate desktop. MS Office is especially entrenched in the business world; most new desktop PCs purchased by corporations these days come with Windows and MS Office preinstalled. Often unwittingly, many corporations have "standardized" on MS Office. Placing their critical business documents into the proprietary file formats purveyed by Microsoft, these companies place their documents at risk of "bit rot" and place the corporation at risk of later Microsoft extortion (a.k.a. mandatory "upgrades" every two years). Five, ten, or twenty years from now, will these corporations still have access to the documents being created today? Unknown. Has anyone here tried accessing any really old (pre-Windows) MS Word, Wordperfect or Wordstar documents lately? As these old, proprietary programs fade from memory, so do the documents created with them. Many of today's corporate computer users are comfortable using MS Office and see no reason to use any competing tools. They have grown to expect that everyone has a copy of MS Office, so they don't even think twice about, for example, attaching nasty MS Word documents to their email messages. Some even think that Microsoft is "the best." Even if your own company is "Microsoft free", it's likely that at least some of your suppliers and customers will expect you to interact with them by sending MS Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.) files back and forth. It's relatively easy to tell a supplier that you won't accept MS Word documents, but it's often not possible (or worthwhile) to impose this constraint on a paying customer. For most businesses, the short-term cost equation favors the status-quo of continuing to use Windows and MS Office. To such businesses, moving desktop users to Linux may look like an expensive and risky proposition. In today's software climate, it's difficult for many businesses to find the political will to get off Windows and MS Office (and thereby break their dependency on Microsoft). For this to happen, someone really high up in the company would need to "buy in" to Linux and "go to bat" for it. (Two rays of hope...) However, Linux does appear to be gaining mind-share among Windows users. One friend of mine recently remarked that he plans to eventually learn Linux so he can set up a firewall and a Gnutella server in his house. In a number of ways, he percieves Linux to be "better" than Windows. In addition, young kids today are more computer-savvy than ever, and are growing up with Linux. As the older generation passes on, it may take a good chunk of Microsoft's market with it. Joel On Thu, 31 May 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010531/tc/why_2001_is_not_the_year_of_the_penguin__1.html > > More bad press on linux. > > Am I such a zelot, that I can't see the truth through the blinding light I > believe eminates from Tux? Joel --- Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 07:53:12 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: > Even if your own company is "Microsoft free", it's likely that at least > some of your suppliers and customers will expect you to interact with them > by sending MS Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.) files back and forth. > > It's relatively easy to tell a supplier that you won't accept MS Word > documents, but it's often not possible (or worthwhile) to impose this > constraint on a paying customer. This is a valid point, but not one without solution. People are always telling their customers that there are limitations or hoops to jump through. The trick is to tell them *nicely* and don't tell them what they can't do, but tell them how they *can* get what they want. What comes to my mind is to make the company party-line (boilerplate e-mail reply, whatever) something like the following: "The quality our customers have come to expect from our {goods | services} requires that we use exceptional software to run our business. Accordingly, it is inconvenient for us to run {application}. Please export as {ASCII text | RTF | something standard} the next time, or we'd be happy to share our technology with you." The only reason they use Windows is because "everybody else does." Businesses are fickle; as soon as they hear that something else is necessary to compete, that's what they start looking at. If the big customer / supplier uses something, the little suppliers / customers get forced to follow. But it also works the other way; if enough little customers / suppliers use something, the big suppliers / customers will become compliant. I say, put your foot down, diplomatically. Someone's got to go first. > For this to happen, someone really high up in the company would need > to "buy in" to Linux and "go to bat" for it. Or for them to find that they have to do it to make sales that they really want to make. If it's perceived as one or two customers without much business, your scenario is required. But if they start hearing, "please, would you use Linux already?" then they'll change to stay with the crowd. Even if the crowd isn't as big as they *think* it is! ;) > As the older generation passes on, it may take a good chunk of > Microsoft's market with it. Boy, that's an unfortunate turn of phrase! If Microsoft gets wind of that idea, they'll start selling life insurance that names themselves as the customers' beneficiary. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From nate at techie.com Fri Jun 1 08:18:10 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <20010531220000.W23403@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:00PM -0500 References: <20010531220000.W23403@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010601081810.A30659@candle.rawstew> On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:00PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010531/tc/why_2001_is_not_the_year_of_the_penguin__1.html While I may agree with a few points in this article, there _is_ a lot of FUD in there. 1. No Acrobat There may not be the beautiful Adobe GUIs, but GhostScript provides ps2pdf and just about everything in Linux generates PostScript. If you're looking for typesettings stuff, look into TeX. 2. The Photoshop replacement is called the GIMP. If he doesn't know that already, he's still a Linux newbie who shouldn't be writing these types of articles. If that's not powerful enough, buy a copy of Corel Photo-Paint. I think that's on Linux already. 3. Anyone who is using 16-bit Window applications to do data warehousing seriously needs to find an escape route from the hole they've dug themselves into. Go get DB2 from IBM and do it right. There is a reason RMS is on a crusade and this is exactly it. Where he does have a point is Quark Xpress. I don't know of any applications on Linux that compare to this product. Framemaker had a chance, but they decided to pull out. Nate From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Jun 1 08:32:25 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Wright County Auction In-Reply-To: <20010531173145.O1548@real-time.com> References: <20010530115617.A16547@iaxs.net> <20010531173145.O1548@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15127.39273.239160.973927@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "CWS" == Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: >> Well, it's an auction. Generally it runs til noon or so, with >> the computer stuff being towards the end. There's other stuff >> too, like de-commisioned cop cars and confiscated stuff from >> drug busts and the like. Occasionally you'll find better >> computers that have been seized than what our department throws >> out, but it's not common. CWS> occasionally there are some humorous moments; like at the '99 CWS> auction, they sold off a Cyrix 200, with a couple of boxes of CWS> garbage Windows software, plus some surge suppressors, plus a CWS> 'monitor', for $300. CWS> the 'monitor' was a Wyse dumb terminal. :) I was caught in a goof like this once, when I bought a SPARC II at an auction and got an IPC (I think that's the right model, maybe IPX?) instead of a monitor! R From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Jun 1 08:35:30 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: QWEST and CISCO 675 Message-ID: <15127.39458.276286.216940@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> The SANS group strongly suggests that CISCO 675 owners upgrade the software, pointing to the web site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-multiple2-pub.html Unfortunately, they also say that we should contact our suppliers. Given that my supplier is Qworst, this makes my heart sink. So, before settling in to an hour sitting by my speaker-phone, alternating between talking to the wrong person and sitting on hold, I thought I'd ask if any of you have gotten the upgrade, and if there's any way to bypass Qworst. Thanks, R From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 08:35:00 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <20010601081810.A30659@candle.rawstew> Message-ID: In the Reynauld article, he makes the point that a lot of people just don't get the multi-user aspect of Linux. I think that's fine; why doesn't someone do a focused single-user workstation distro? The only "special purpose" distros I can think of are things like LRP, real-time linux (not our Real-Time), embedded linuces, etc. Make one that defaults to single-user mode, load it up with desktop gadgets, make preconfigured setups (i.e., the WindowMaker setup, the KDE setup, the fvwm setup, yada, yada). I bet everyone has *some* package installed that they haven't set up beyond the "factory" defaults. Maybe we just need to cater more toward those who never venture further asea than that to be accepted on the desktop. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 08:58:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: QWEST and CISCO 675 In-Reply-To: <15127.39458.276286.216940@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Unfortunately, they also say that we should contact our suppliers. > Given that my supplier is Qworst, this makes my heart sink. So, > before settling in to an hour sitting by my speaker-phone, alternating > between talking to the wrong person and sitting on hold, I thought I'd > ask if any of you have gotten the upgrade, and if there's any way to > bypass Qworst. First, try their web site if you haven't. They have modem support at http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/csco675ups.html Note that if you have a Windows PC, you can just do it from their web site. (Dunno about using WINE or something.) Second, does the 675 support tftp like the 678? If so, then you don't even need the windows version. You can get CBOS v2.4.1 from www.cisco.com if you follow the links into DSL products then 600 series then 675 (I think.) Install and use tftp (trivial ftp, available on Linux) to send the new software to the modem. Ta da! If this doesn't work, you can always go back to Qworst and do it the Widows way if necessary. Assumption: you *do* have a 56k modem around, and a number to dial, just in case your DSL modem becomes unusable? The only concern I would have about doing the non-windows version is that Qworst says that they need their modems to work with their system. I don't know if that's because they just aren't being forthcoming about what their system actually is -- DMT, various technical params, etc -- or if it's because they've actually gotten into the modem firmware or had cisco customize code a little. So, make sure you have an escape route, but otherwise, have fun! If your ISP hasn't given you an analog # to call, maybe a LUGnut will let you dial in to their box, if you get stuck. (I'm almost offering, but not convinced you need that.) Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 09:04:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: QWEST and CISCO 675 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sorry for updating myself -- Qwest says the 675 will accept Xmodem over the serial port, so minicom should be sufficient to download the software. Also, be careful that you don't get the wrong software -- make sure CAP or DMT agrees with your modem. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 1 09:53:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <20010531220000.W23403@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:00PM -0500 References: <20010531220000.W23403@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010601095307.S4882@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010531 22:02]: > Am I such a zelot, that I can't see the truth through the blinding light I > believe eminates from Tux? "(notice I don't say free, because to get good functionality out of Linux, you need to buy a distribution, not download one)" Well, if you notice the guy is a complete moron. :) " How would they create the PDF's they need to create?" ps2pdf "filename.ps" "How would their graphics team be able to make high-quality marketing graphics?" Gimp. But real people use Illustrator *not* Photoshop. " Lastly, what about the fate of the 16-bit legacy applications, which are critical to their productivity? Those, too, are gone." Good, take the opportunity to rewrite them all into Java so your not stuck ball-and-chain to a vendor again. "Linux. The past few years have brought new innovations such as SANE" Oh yes, because the innovations such as better installers, a new kernel, gnome 1.4, and the work on mozilla and abiword mean nothing. This guy is hurling FUD. Worse, he works for the govt. Even worse, he doesn't actually follow linux, he makes his point as an "enthusist" *not* a working linux professional. Plus, the person has not a presence in the community as far as I can see. This non-presence brings -0- creditability to many of these arguments. In another tangent on govt use: http://www.tc.faa.gov/act-500/nasacb/airmm/test_bed.htm Whowa :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010601/2bcf11ce/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 10:48:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010601104801.3c0ef09d.blayer@qwest.net> Hello, I went through this stuff a couple of weeks ago.. here is what I learned. On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:04:48 -0500 (CDT) "Phil Mendelsohn" wrote: > sorry for updating myself -- > > Qwest says the 675 will accept Xmodem over the serial port, so minicom > should be sufficient to download the software. Also, be careful that you > don't get the wrong software -- make sure CAP or DMT agrees with your > modem. First, while Cisco and Qwest both claim that Xmodem works over the serial port, I was not able to get it working with Minicom, using the same settings that normally allow me to operate the 675's serial console. Just errored out every time I tried, so I gave up on it. Second, the CAP/DMT firmware is *not* related to the CBOS, so a change of CBOS version is irrelevant to this. CAP/DMT is seperate firmware. The easy & fast way to upgrade the CBOS (the latest version I found was 2.4.1, so I used it) is via tftp. The drill goes like this: (IMPORTANT NOTE: I assume that the 675 is ip 10.0.0.1, and the client used to send the upgrade is 10.0.0.2. Adjust as required for your network.) Log into CBOS over the serial cable, enter enable mode. #set tftp enabled #set tftp remote 10.0.0.2 (this may be optional, but I set it the address of my desktop. This forces the 675 tftp to only accept tftp connects from a single host (security)). Now, from the client machine 10.0.0.2, and assuming you have downloaded CBOS 2.4.1 as filename 'nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin': $mv nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr $tftp 10.0.0.1 69 tftp>mode binary tftp>put nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr tftp>quit Back to the CBOS serial console on more time: #set tftp disabled #reboot The modem should reboot, check a bunch of checksums, *then* it flashes the EEPROM, reboots again and wakes up with the new version. You shouldn't have to touch any of your NVRAM settings, but if they are ugly, log into the serial console, enter enable mode and do: #set nvram erase #write #reboot Then you may configure the unit as if factory-fresh; ppp passwords and all... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 10:49:51 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: QWEST and CISCO 675 In-Reply-To: <15127.39458.276286.216940@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15127.39458.276286.216940@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20010601104951.346f563a.blayer@qwest.net> Hi Robert, On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:35:30 -0500 "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > > The SANS group strongly suggests that CISCO 675 owners upgrade the > software, pointing to the web site: > >I thought I'd > ask if any of you have gotten the upgrade, and if there's any way to > bypass Qworst. See my upcoming post 'My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO' .. should help you out.. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 1 10:55:14 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS dead? Message-ID: check out http://www.orbs.org. What's up? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 10:55:48 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... Message-ID: <010601105548.202aa738@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I think this discussion is really dancing around the point, though a previous post did really touch on the fact that MS in ingrained. The question is: "Why?". At the bank I contract for, we just had a problem last week which eventually turned out to be winders went flaky because a user disk went full. They couldn't reboot until Friday, so all kinds of data were late because of the problems the flaky server caused. This cost them (trust me on this one). In the post mortem that followed once we knew what was going on, I was asked "What can we do to prevent this, and don't tell me Linux?". The point here is he KNEW Linux would be better, but no one there in his right mind would espouse such a point of view. The people who make the real decisions (aka control the bucks) don't have any real knowledge about computers. So, what do they know. They see some dork with glasses making all kinds of absurd claims about how great his crap is, and they buy it. It works "well enough" (I saw that somewhere). Linux is an "unknown" and they have a system that "works". If it works, don't fix it. I don't believe there's anyone here who doesn't believe in that. You can talk all you want about how to answer objection A or objection B, and we all know that most of the answers are there and the rest probably could be had somehow, but until you get "mind share" of the people making the decisions, you're just blowing hot air at a brick wall. Putting Linux on the file server seems, to me, to be the way to make the inroads. Reliability is Goliaths' weakness. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Jun 1 11:06:45 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601104801.3c0ef09d.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010601104801.3c0ef09d.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <15127.48533.203313.970757@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Many thanks to Phil and Bill for all the help! Someday soon when I'm feeling courageous I'll have a whack at it.... Thanks! R From ben at nerp.net Fri Jun 1 11:08:18 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ack! what is with that.. I just tried doing some queries against the outputs lists (stuff that showed up yesterday in my logs :) and I got no response. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > check out http://www.orbs.org. > > What's up? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxe988tpDhsSpvgtAQFSOAQAwfZCBg8nuV1SEZg7eZlBN7PMrQzsvsnX lpJCKlJldm84x/wSjxYFFVg9Q0eoaCrIW94f3nuUHx9Xac3UxUGcHd+vNVYcz0o4 65p0rtO4dpnml58+XMXYQBi5SHW3iYDuuPHri4Gi2D0U0Z3+xy/Kr1iIQAR40GSN HgsGjGzfYH0= =+u81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 1 11:16:50 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <010601105548.202aa738@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: > You can talk all you want about how to answer objection A or objection B, and > we all know that most of the answers are there and the rest probably could be > had somehow, but until you get "mind share" of the people making the decisions, > you're just blowing hot air at a brick wall. Putting Linux on the file server > seems, to me, to be the way to make the inroads. Reliability is Goliaths' > weakness. NT/2000 isn't bad, but there are alot of bad admins out there who do some really stupid things with it. But that's a different matter. Yes, a file server is a good start. An apache webserver (even if it's just Intranet) is another good one. If you need to sell linux, let's site some MS fuckups. #1 on my list is terminal services licensing. It's done per-seat. Idealy, I think it should be per-server as it would make it more flexible and useful, and be more inline with Citrix. But no, per-seat. That's not the bad part however. By design, you need to setup a Terminal Services License server on your Domain Controller. When a Terminal Services client connects, a license is requested. The License Server assigns a license, and that license is stored on the client. (dumb dumb dumb...) To make matters worse, once a license is assigned, it cannot be revoked, and licenses don't expire. If your client device needs to be reinstalled, is replaced, etc. it retains the terminal service license. The only way to get the license back is to call a MS Clearing House and get a replacement license assigned. A hotfix was released so that licenses we valid for a maxium of 90 days, but it had a bug or two and was retracted. Looks like it can be downloaded again now. But the hotfix will only apply to new licenses. The ones allready assigned with no experiation date need to go through the MS clearing house. How do you know MS is too big? When they can afford to pay a clearing house staff to take care of issues like this. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jun 1 05:34:51 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help References: Message-ID: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> I need a script that would do this for me: xhost krypton rlogin krypton (enter login name) (enter password) export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 sunapp(an application that I need to run) if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and dont want to puts around the man pages. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010601/3ab0fb75/drew.vcf From mpaulsen at charter.net Fri Jun 1 11:33:00 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010601113116.02560070@pop.charter.net> At 10:55 AM 6/1/01, Nate wrote: >check out http://www.orbs.org. > >What's up? I do not know the full details. My limited understanding is: Alan put some Telecom New Zealand/Extra/Actrix IPs in the inputs zone which didn't qualify for listing per the policy stated on the website. (i.e., they were not verified open by the automated tester) Alan got sued and various legal things happened. Alan posted a 'NOTICE TO ALL' to news.admin.net-abuse.email and a few other online venues. You can find it here: See: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search exact phrase: Manawatu Internet Services Limited newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.email I should stress that the full story has not come out and Alan's statement may have been made under duress. We probably won't know the full details until it's all over. From schelcj at pobox.com Fri Jun 1 11:34:40 2001 From: schelcj at pobox.com (Chris Scheller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help In-Reply-To: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: is ssh is accessible on both systems just do ssh -l -C -f krypton sunapp On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > xhost krypton > rlogin krypton > (enter login name) > (enter password) > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > dont want to puts around the man pages. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > Chris Scheller Network One Internet, inc. http://www.networkone.net/ System/Network Administration 1.888.GOT.NET1 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 11:34:34 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601104801.3c0ef09d.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > First, while Cisco and Qwest both claim that Xmodem works over the serial > port, I was not able to get it working with Minicom, using the same > settings that normally allow me to operate the 675's serial console. Just > errored out every time I tried, so I gave up on it. Second, the CAP/DMT > firmware is *not* related to the CBOS, so a change of CBOS version is > irrelevant to this. CAP/DMT is seperate firmware. Thanks; I have the 678 so I don't have the same hands on with the 675. With the 678 you can change CAP/DMT via software, but I thought there was a different CBOS for each, due to something I saw on Qworst's site. I won't labor under that misconception anymore. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 11:37:38 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help In-Reply-To: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100 References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > xhost krypton > rlogin krypton > (enter login name) > (enter password) > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > dont want to puts around the man pages. Any particular reason not to use ssh? With ssh properly setup, all you'd have to do is "ssh kryton sunapp". (Of course, you may not have perms to setup ssh.) Anyway, to do this right, you probably want to expect, instead of bash. That's because entering login names and passwords requires waiting till you're prompted for them. That's a pain to do with regualr shells, but its expects bread and butter. So, do you have expect available? I'd write the script, if you do. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 11:37:00 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: References: <20010601104801.3c0ef09d.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010601113700.6ecf27b4.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:34:34 -0500 (CDT) "Phil Mendelsohn" wrote: > Thanks; I have the 678 so I don't have the same hands on with the > 675. With the 678 you can change CAP/DMT via software, but I thought > there was a different CBOS for each, due to something I saw on Qworst's > site. I won't labor under that misconception anymore. AFAIK, the CBOS issue with CAP/DMT is that you need to have CBOS later than a certain rev. to support the DMT firmware.. I do not believe that there are different versions for CAP/DMT. IF this is wrong, I would surely like to be told! And yes, the 678 can be changed from CAP to DMT and vice-versa through a tftp firmware change. Qwest is unaware of this, as they send yo a new modem if you get one with the wrong firmware. Surprise, surprise... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 11:40:00 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... Message-ID: <010601114000.202aa738@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Remember the old saying -- Know your audience. The discussion you just made would be far beyond the people in powers' heads. You'd get the glassy eyes and a polite thank you. That's all you'd get. >>How do you know MS is too big? When they can afford to pay a clearing >>house staff to take care of issues like this. I like this!!! Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 1 11:41:49 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help In-Reply-To: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100 References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010601114149.A222@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > xhost krypton > rlogin krypton > (enter login name) > (enter password) > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > dont want to puts around the man pages. It's too dangerous to store your login/password in a script. And if you are typing the login/password by hand , you can type the rest 8-0) It's no big deal. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jun 1 05:52:33 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net> Yes I do have expect available, and I could use it, so if you can write it in expect.. The reason that I dont use ssh, is because I dont want to set it up on every machine. While using a script like this, is fast and easy. Also I'm not worried about security since all these machines are on internal lan. Using ssh would just be too much of a hasle. Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > > > xhost krypton > > rlogin krypton > > (enter login name) > > (enter password) > > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > > dont want to puts around the man pages. > > Any particular reason not to use ssh? With ssh properly setup, > all you'd have to do is "ssh kryton sunapp". (Of course, you > may not have perms to setup ssh.) > > Anyway, to do this right, you probably want to expect, instead of > bash. That's because entering login names and passwords requires > waiting till you're prompted for them. That's a pain to do with > regualr shells, but its expects bread and butter. So, do you > have expect available? I'd write the script, if you do. > > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010601/be7295f7/drew.vcf From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 12:01:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601113700.6ecf27b4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > AFAIK, the CBOS issue with CAP/DMT is that you need to have CBOS later > than a certain rev. to support the DMT firmware.. I do not believe that > there are different versions for CAP/DMT. IF this is wrong, I would surely > like to be told! No, it appears that you're correct. Sorry for the red herring; what I saw was not related to the file to download, but rather the status to look for when you're done. > And yes, the 678 can be changed from CAP to DMT and vice-versa through > a tftp firmware change. That wasn't a question; I changed it to see if it stopped working and put it back to see if it worked again. But then I'm the kind of guy that takes Christmas presents apart before playing with them. > Qwest is unaware of this, as they send yo a new modem if you get one > with the wrong firmware. Surprise, surprise... Another case where they step on their own toes. I was lucky enough to have read all of Cisco's stuff before I needed to resolve anything with Qworts. (I like that typo; I'll leave it.) Truth is, you aren't really as reliant on only Qwest as they lead you to believe. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 1 12:02:59 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <010601114000.202aa738@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Remember the old saying -- Know your audience. The discussion you just made > would be far beyond the people in powers' heads. You'd get the glassy eyes and > a polite thank you. That's all you'd get. It's MS licensing. Everyone get's glassy eyes. :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jun 1 12:16:57 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3B17CE09.2C8AC1D9@structural-wood.com> Is there some reason you need to rlogin? Can't you just rsh the application - something like. xhost krypton ; rsh krypton 'DISPLAY=blah:0.0 sunapp' Note that you would need to set up .rhosts on the sunapp machine, but it is better than transmitting your password in plaintext across the net. Of course ssh is obviously better if available. Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Yes I do have expect available, and I could use it, so if you can write it in expect.. > The reason that I dont use ssh, is because I dont want to set it up on every machine. > While using a script like this, is fast and easy. Also I'm not worried about security > since all these machines are on internal lan. Using ssh would just be too much of a > hasle. > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > > > > > xhost krypton > > > rlogin krypton > > > (enter login name) > > > (enter password) > > > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > > > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > > > > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > > > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > > > dont want to puts around the man pages. > > > > Any particular reason not to use ssh? With ssh properly setup, > > all you'd have to do is "ssh kryton sunapp". (Of course, you > > may not have perms to setup ssh.) > > > > Anyway, to do this right, you probably want to expect, instead of > > bash. That's because entering login names and passwords requires > > waiting till you're prompted for them. That's a pain to do with > > regualr shells, but its expects bread and butter. So, do you > > have expect available? I'd write the script, if you do. > > > > -- > > Jim Crumley | > > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jun 1 12:20:42 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Another case where they step on their own toes. I was lucky enough to > have read all of Cisco's stuff before I needed to resolve anything with > Qworts. (I like that typo; I'll leave it.) Truth is, you aren't really > as reliant on only Qwest as they lead you to believe. I like the typo, but out of context it may not work well. I may have to sneak that one in from time to time :-) When it comes to being reliant on Qworst, I agree that they're not really needed for this stuff. The modem is a piece of Cisco hardware running Cisco firmware running Cisco's OS, so Qworst shouldn't be in the picture at all. Right? Well.. kinda... About a week ago I noticed that CBOS 2.4.2 was out. I e-mailed tac@cisco.com and they told me to download it from QWORST!!! I couldn't believe it! What company writes an OS and then only distributes it through 3rd parties? Anyway, you need a Qworst.net account to download it and I don't have one of those (nor do I want one). If anyone here has a qowrst.net account you can download CBOS 2.4.2 at: https://www.qwest.net/tools/ppp/cbos -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 12:31:46 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010601123146.0293917f.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:20:42 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: If anyone here has > a qowrst.net account you can download CBOS 2.4.2 at: > > https://www.qwest.net/tools/ppp/cbos You find a link to CBOS 2.4.2 here? I don't... and if I click on the 'Non-Windows Download' button, it just dumpms me on a Qwest.net FAQ ?! This page seems to focus on 2.2.0... a truly exploitable version. Man, Qwest is behind.. PS I have 2.4.1 if anyone wants it.. but I'd like to get my hands on 2.4.2, just 'cause that's how I am. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 12:40:50 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help In-Reply-To: <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:52:33AM +0100 References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010601124049.A27608@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:52:33AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Yes I do have expect available, and I could use it, so if you can write it in expect.. > The reason that I dont use ssh, is because I dont want to set it up on every machine. > While using a script like this, is fast and easy. Also I'm not worried about security > since all these machines are on internal lan. Using ssh would just be too much of a > hasle. If you have a common home directory ssh would still be easier. Also, as somebody else said rsh would be better than a script as well. So anyway, here's the script. It should work ok. Its setup to set password as argument to script. That way your password isn't sitting around in a file (but it still would be visible when you call the script - which may be worse). Change a couple of lines to hard code the password. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | #!/usr/bin/expect -f # Fix variables below as appropriate. To use type "scriptname password" set host "krypton" set display "111.111.111.111:0.0" set user "dog" # To harcode password, uncomment below #set pass "chasecat" # password is sent as argument to script, comment out for hardcoded password set pass [lindex $argv 0] spawn xhost +"$host" spawn telnet "$host" expect "ogin:" send -- "$user\n" expect "ssword:" send -- "$pass\n" # could put an expect for the prompt here, but I don't know what your # prompt looks like, so I'll sleep sleep 1 system export DISPLAY="$display" spawn sunapp sleep 5 exit From jasonj at talkware.net Fri Jun 1 12:56:45 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3B17D75D.F916907E@talkware.net> The best way is to do this with ssh and keys. But I wrote you a script for this. I dont think you should have to change anything in the script. Though the enviroment variable assignment is BASH only. Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Yes I do have expect available, and I could use it, so if you can write it in expect.. > The reason that I dont use ssh, is because I dont want to set it up on every machine. > While using a script like this, is fast and easy. Also I'm not worried about security > since all these machines are on internal lan. Using ssh would just be too much of a > hasle. > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > > > > > xhost krypton > > > rlogin krypton > > > (enter login name) > > > (enter password) > > > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > > > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > > > > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > > > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > > > dont want to puts around the man pages. > > > > Any particular reason not to use ssh? With ssh properly setup, > > all you'd have to do is "ssh kryton sunapp". (Of course, you > > may not have perms to setup ssh.) > > > > Anyway, to do this right, you probably want to expect, instead of > > bash. That's because entering login names and passwords requires > > waiting till you're prompted for them. That's a pain to do with > > regualr shells, but its expects bread and butter. So, do you > > have expect available? I'd write the script, if you do. > > > > -- > > Jim Crumley | > > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/expect -- #Hack together expect script to set the display enviroment variable on a remote machine. if {$argc==0} { send_user "usage: $argv0 \n\n" exit } # HOSTNAME = [lindex $argv 0] # USERNAME = [lindex $argv 1] # USERPASSWORD = [lindex $argv 2] # DISPLAYENV = [lindex $argv 3] # APP = [lindex $argv 4] exp_version -exit 5.0 expect_before -i $user_spawn_id \003 exit set timeout 5 stty -echo set pid [spawn xhost [lindex $argv 0]] expect exec kill $pid set pid [spawn rlogin -l [lindex $argv 1] [lindex $argv 0]] expect "assword:" { send_user "[lindex $argv 2]" send "[lindex $argv 2]\r" } eof { send_user "rlogin spawn failed\n" exec kill $pid exit 1 } timeout { send_user "\n ## Never saw password prompt.\n" exit 1 } ## At a prompt Switch enter enviroment variable expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { send "export DISPLAY=[lindex $argv 3]\n" } eof { send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" exec kill $pid exit 1 } timeout { send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" exit 1 } ## At the next prompt lauch the app expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { send "[lindex $argv 4]&\n" } eof { send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" exec kill $pid exit 1 } timeout { send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" exit 1 } ## At the next prompt exit the rlogin expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { send "exit\n" } eof { send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" exec kill $pid exit 1 } timeout { send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" exit 1 } set timeout 60 expect exec kill $pid exit From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 1 12:43:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628084F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Which one do you need? Select a File to Download Filename Description Release Size 'Bytes' More Info c627.full.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 627 full 2.4.2 322896 ? c627.glite.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 627 glite 2.4.2 323056 ? c633.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 633 2.4.2 444704 ? c673.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 673 2.4.2 924224 ? c675.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 675 2.4.2 996560 ? c677.full.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 677 full 2.4.2 938176 ? nsrouter.c677.full.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 677 full 2.4.2 938139 ? nsrouter.c677.glite.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 677 glite 2.4.2 938140 ? nsrouter.c677i.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 677i 2.4.2 880469 ? nsrouter.c678cap.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 678 CAP 2.4.2 1006022 ? nsrouter.c678dmt.full.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 678DMT Full 2.4.2 1005691 ? nsrouter.c678dmt.glite.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 678DMT Glite 2.4.2 1005404 ? c677.glite.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 677 glite 2.4.2 938176 ? c677i.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 677i 2.4.2 880512 ? c678cap.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 678 cap 2.4.2 1006064 ? c678dmt.full.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 678dmt full 2.4.2 1005728 ? c678dmt.glite.2.4.2.bin Mixed header image v2.4.2 for 678dmt glite 2.4.2 1005440 ? nsrouter.c627.full.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 627 full 2.4.2 322792 ? nsrouter.c633.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 633 2.4.2 444600 ? nsrouter.c673.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 673 2.4.2 924182 ? nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 675 2.4.2 996518 ? nsrouter.c627.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 627 full 2.4.2ap 323000 ? nsrouter.c627.glite.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 627 glite 2.4.2ap 322952 ? nsrouter.c633.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 633 2.4.2ap 444616 ? nsrouter.c673.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 673 2.4.2ap 924358 ? nsrouter.c675.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 675 2.4.2ap 997078 ? nsrouter.c677.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P v2.4.2 for 677 full 2.4.2ap 938363 ? nsrouter.c677.glite.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 677 glite 2.4.2ap 938380 ? nsrouter.c677i.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 677i 2.4.2ap 880534 ? nsrouter.c678cap.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 678cap 2.4.2ap 1006198 ? c627.glite.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 627 glite 2.4.2ap 323056 ? c627.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 627 full 2.4.2ap 323104 ? c633.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 633 2.4.2ap 444720 ? c673.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 673 2.4.2ap 924400 ? c675.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 675 2.4.2ap 997120 ? c677.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 677 full 2.4.2ap 938400 ? c677.glite.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 677 glite 2.4.2ap 938416 ? c677i.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 677i 2.4.2ap 880576 ? c678cap.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 678cap 2.4.2ap 1006240 ? c678dmt.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P MH image v2.4.2 for 678dmt full 2.4.2ap 1005792 ? nsrouter.c678dmt.full.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 678dmt full 2.4.2ap 1005755 ? nsrouter.c678dmt.glite.2.4.2ap.bin Auto P Image v2.4.2 for 678dmt glite 2.4.2ap 1005372 ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:20:42 -0500 (CDT) > "Brian" wrote: > If anyone here has > > a qowrst.net account you can download CBOS 2.4.2 at: > > > > https://www.qwest.net/tools/ppp/cbos > > You find a link to CBOS 2.4.2 here? I don't... and if I click on the > 'Non-Windows Download' button, it just dumpms me on a Qwest.net FAQ ?! > This page seems to focus on 2.2.0... a truly exploitable version. Man, > Qwest is behind.. > > PS I have 2.4.1 if anyone wants it.. but I'd like to get my hands on > 2.4.2, just 'cause that's how I am. > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jun 1 07:20:35 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bash scripting help References: <3B176FCB.8F7CD16E@usfamily.net> <20010601113738.A27526@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B1773F1.E51D9C1F@usfamily.net> <3B17D75D.F916907E@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3B178893.CAB85D85@usfamily.net> wow now this one actually worked, thank you. Jason Jorgensen wrote: > The best way is to do this with ssh and keys. > > But I wrote you a script for this. I dont think you should have to change anything in the > script. Though the enviroment variable assignment is BASH only. > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > Yes I do have expect available, and I could use it, so if you can write it in expect.. > > The reason that I dont use ssh, is because I dont want to set it up on every machine. > > While using a script like this, is fast and easy. Also I'm not worried about security > > since all these machines are on internal lan. Using ssh would just be too much of a > > hasle. > > > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:34:51AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > > > I need a script that would do this for me: > > > > > > > > xhost krypton > > > > rlogin krypton > > > > (enter login name) > > > > (enter password) > > > > export DISPLAY=my_ip_goes_here:0.0 > > > > sunapp(an application that I need to run) > > > > > > > > if some one could please write a script that can do this for me I would really > > > > apreciate it. I could probably do it my self but I left my bash book at home, and > > > > dont want to puts around the man pages. > > > > > > Any particular reason not to use ssh? With ssh properly setup, > > > all you'd have to do is "ssh kryton sunapp". (Of course, you > > > may not have perms to setup ssh.) > > > > > > Anyway, to do this right, you probably want to expect, instead of > > > bash. That's because entering login names and passwords requires > > > waiting till you're prompted for them. That's a pain to do with > > > regualr shells, but its expects bread and butter. So, do you > > > have expect available? I'd write the script, if you do. > > > > > > -- > > > Jim Crumley | > > > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #!/usr/bin/expect -- > #Hack together expect script to set the display enviroment variable on a remote machine. > > if {$argc==0} { > send_user "usage: $argv0 \n\n" > exit > } > # HOSTNAME = [lindex $argv 0] > # USERNAME = [lindex $argv 1] > # USERPASSWORD = [lindex $argv 2] > # DISPLAYENV = [lindex $argv 3] > # APP = [lindex $argv 4] > > exp_version -exit 5.0 > expect_before -i $user_spawn_id \003 exit > set timeout 5 > stty -echo > > set pid [spawn xhost [lindex $argv 0]] > expect > exec kill $pid > > set pid [spawn rlogin -l [lindex $argv 1] [lindex $argv 0]] > expect "assword:" { > send_user "[lindex $argv 2]" > send "[lindex $argv 2]\r" > } eof { > send_user "rlogin spawn failed\n" > exec kill $pid > exit 1 > } timeout { > send_user "\n ## Never saw password prompt.\n" > exit 1 > } > > ## At a prompt Switch enter enviroment variable > expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { > send "export DISPLAY=[lindex $argv 3]\n" > } eof { > send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" > exec kill $pid > exit 1 > } timeout { > send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" > exit 1 > } > > ## At the next prompt lauch the app > expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { > send "[lindex $argv 4]&\n" > } eof { > send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" > exec kill $pid > exit 1 > } timeout { > send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" > exit 1 > } > > ## At the next prompt exit the rlogin > expect -re "(#|>|\\\$|%)" { > send "exit\n" > } eof { > send_user "\n ## rlogin spawn failed\n" > exec kill $pid > exit 1 > } timeout { > send_user "\n ## Never saw command prompt.\n" > exit 1 > } > > set timeout 60 > expect > exec kill $pid > exit ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010601/e443bfff/drew.vcf From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 14:03:11 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628084F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628084F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010601140311.6c5e6437.blayer@qwest.net> Hi Jay, Where did you get all these? :) On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:43:35 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Which one do you need? > nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin Image v2.4.2 for 675 2.4.2 996518 ? puh-leese.. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Fri Jun 1 14:13:53 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601113700.6ecf27b4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is CAP and DMT and if my modem doesn't do those yet why should it? Josh ___SIG___ On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:34:34 -0500 (CDT) > "Phil Mendelsohn" wrote: > > > Thanks; I have the 678 so I don't have the same hands on with the > > 675. With the 678 you can change CAP/DMT via software, but I thought > > there was a different CBOS for each, due to something I saw on Qworst's > > site. I won't labor under that misconception anymore. > > AFAIK, the CBOS issue with CAP/DMT is that you need to have CBOS later > than a certain rev. to support the DMT firmware.. I do not believe that > there are different versions for CAP/DMT. IF this is wrong, I would surely > like to be told! And yes, the 678 can be changed from CAP to DMT and > vice-versa through a tftp firmware change. Qwest is unaware of this, as > they send yo a new modem if you get one with the wrong firmware. Surprise, > surprise... > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 14:59:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is CAP and DMT and if my modem > doesn't do those yet why should it? Your modem does one of the two. They are two of the encoding formats for DSL. Think of AM/FM, or better the two incompatible formats that were in use for 56K (still are?) a couple of years ago. CAP is Carrierless Amplitude/Phase modulation, and DMT is discrete multi-tone. It's the physical layer. If it works, don't worry about it -- but you might look at which you're using. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 15:59:57 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: References: <20010601113700.6ecf27b4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010601155957.7fd1244e.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:13:53 -0500 (CDT) "Joshua Jore" wrote: > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is CAP and DMT and if my modem > doesn't do those yet why should it? All 675 modems are CAP, but 678 modems can be DMT or CAP. As far as I can tell, Qwest is switching to DMT for new installs.. I don't think that there is any real difference in terms of performance. My guess: DMT is cheaper :) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Jun 1 16:04:14 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] follow-up on rsh and RedHat 7.1 Message-ID: <15128.846.580389.710039@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> In an earlier question I asked why rsh was no longer possible out from a RedHat 7.1 box, configured in a stock way. I thought that there was some protocol problem, but in fact the problem seems to be the firewall. The stock RedHat install comes with the following set of rules: # Firewall configuration written by lokkit # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. # Note: ifup-post will punch the current nameservers through the # firewall; such entries will *not* be listed here. :input ACCEPT :forward ACCEPT :output ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6000 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6010 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 22 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -i lo -j ACCEPT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -y -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -y -j REJECT -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -j REJECT -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6000:6009 -y -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 7100 -y -j REJECT Now this seems to do the right thing and keep people out of your box, but it also keeps me from rsh-ing TO another host. [And before you suggest it, I don't control that other host and can't persuade them to offer ssh instead of rsh.] So, is there some way I can tweak this so that I'm able to make rsh connections out, but not in? I have only the haziest understanding of rsh, but as far as I can tell from a tcpdump, it involves packets going in and out on the low number (blocked) ports. Per the instructions, I tried running lokkit, but it provides only the most gross control over the configuration. Thanks! Robert From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 16:09:53 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601155957.7fd1244e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > All 675 modems are CAP, but 678 modems can be DMT or CAP. As far as I can > tell, Qwest is switching to DMT for new installs.. I don't think that > there is any real difference in terms of performance. My guess: DMT is > cheaper :) Actually, it is a holy war that's almost over, and it looks like DMT is going to be, probably, the winner, maybe. http://support.aware.com/technology/whitepapers/dmt.html Obviously DMT biased, but the info is still good. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From scanman at mninter.net Fri Jun 1 16:39:02 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about backing up through samba References: Message-ID: <3B180B76.3090001@mninter.net> Are you sure unix even supports the archive bit? Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >>am going to try using that. I am not sure how the archive bit works, >>but thought I'd start the incremental process by using the -N option >>with a logfile. >> > >Archive bit is either on or off. It is set off by your backup software, >and on by your os when a file is written to. > >I'm fairly certin that smbfs can't read this bit, but smbclient can. > >I thought of another reason why you're backups might fail. When you login >to the server via smbfs or smbclient, the user you log in as needs to have >full read/write/modify permissions to the drive so that it can reset the >archive bit. > >| Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | >| http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | >| http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | >| Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | >| Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | >| Always a boom tomorrow." | > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 08:49:44 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In my continuing saga to bring bad news... Message-ID: <20010601134944.10443.qmail@web10203.mail.yahoo.com> You're reading it wrong - it's not bad news, just a shopping list of things to figure out how to fix. Most companies (the good ones, perhaps) would rather you complain to them so that they can make things right, rather than have you stop using their products altogether. That's what's happening - the author is acting like a consumer advocate, and he is addressing us, the folks who are implementing Linux. We're the corporation - we just need to address the public's needs. How's that for a pep talk? :) Cheers- -Mike >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010531/tc/why_2001_is_not_the_year_of_the_penguin__1.html >More bad press on linux. >Am I such a zelot, that I can't see the truth through >the blinding >light I >believe eminates from Tux? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 10:07:49 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME Message-ID: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> First off, I don't want a flame war. I am perfectly happy with Blackbox myself, so this is really for my wife, a Windows refugee. I recognize that she would be much more comfortable with a desktop environment, and want to make things comfortable. What I like about KDE is its rapid development cycle. Do these guys ever take a break? However, perhaps someone more knowledgable could tell me whether there is significant development, or if each new release is more along the lines of "Oh, look, I added a paperclip widget! Let's release a new version!" On the other hand, I like GNOME's look and feel. Furthermore, KDE seems to be the Arkansas cousin in the Debian world; he's family, but we prefer to keep him in the back of the house. (No offense intended for anyone from Arkansas or having cousins from said fine state.) What I don't like about both is their bloat. I have run both on my puny 200 MHz 32MB laptop, and let me tell you, they suffer from bloat. True, my new system is an Athlon 1.2 with 256 MB, so that should help matters significantly, but it is the principle of the thing. So, imagine yourself in my shoes: you have the opportunity to introduce a newbie to the Linux world. What desktop environment would you choose? Why? What futures do you see for them? Remember, while I will be the primary administrator, I will have to be teaching her, or at least leaving a list of instructions, of how to run the system in case something ever happens to me. Like, "Oh, no, Peter was hit by a low-flying penguin! Where's our tax information? And while I'm at it, how do I change the font?" I will now wear my asbestos underwear... :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From m_nassar at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 15:23:42 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010601202342.6683.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> is one better or faster than the other? why would they switch? what are the pros and cons of each? -munir --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is CAP > and DMT and if my modem > > doesn't do those yet why should it? > > Your modem does one of the two. They are two of the > encoding formats for > DSL. Think of AM/FM, or better the two incompatible > formats that were > in use for 56K (still are?) a couple of years ago. > > CAP is Carrierless Amplitude/Phase modulation, and > DMT is discrete > multi-tone. It's the physical layer. If it works, > don't worry about it > -- but you might look at which you're using. > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." > --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 1 17:30:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about backing up through samba In-Reply-To: <3B180B76.3090001@mninter.net>; from scanman@mninter.net on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 04:39:02PM -0500 References: <3B180B76.3090001@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010601173009.V4882@ringworld.org> * ScanMan [010601 16:39]: > Are you sure unix even supports the archive bit? Yes smbtar - shell script for backing up SMB/CIFS shares directly to UNIX tape drives -i Incremental mode; files are only backed up if they have the archive bit set. The archive bit is reset after each file is read. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010601/92d5ed4e/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 1 17:31:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Whoever said they had a SCSI enclosure Message-ID: Hey, Sorry to semi-spam, but I accidentally killed your Email... either way, I apologize but it's kinda a mootpoint since that machine died anyway. Thanks! -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 1 18:11:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 08:07:49AM -0700 References: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010601181122.A9086@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 08:07:49AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > First off, I don't want a flame war. I am perfectly happy with > Blackbox myself, so this is really for my wife, a Windows refugee. I > recognize that she would be much more comfortable with a desktop > environment, and want to make things comfortable. I was in the same situation. I have installed icewm and tweaked the things a little bit. Now my wife is a happy surfer/mailer 8). I got tired of long waits with gnome: startx ................ gterm .......... you get the picture; icewm is simple but can be made to look nice nice: icons, themes, (indeed blackbox is too barren for my wife) and a taskbar. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 1 19:01:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Doonesbury (was: Re: In my continuing saga to bring bad news...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010601190121.691926b2.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Of course, while we were all bickering, Doonesbury came up with this today: http://a1736.g.akamai.net/7/1736/1392/1dcf6501c8f9fc/images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2001/db010601.gif -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Just cdr down the list.. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From scanman at mninter.net Fri Jun 1 20:59:33 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X memory conservation Message-ID: <3B184885.7050800@mninter.net> Is there an easy way to reduce the amount of RAM X takes up? For example, disabling the pixmap cache somehow? From spencer at sihope.com Fri Jun 1 22:26:39 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] airport nic and ppc linux In-Reply-To: <200106011648.f51Gm9K01075@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200106020226.VAA02264@unix1.sihope.com> I have been trying to get my airport 802.11 nic setup under SuSE 7.1 ppc. My stumbling block has been once I get it configured with ifconfig and then reboot, the system hangs while setting up the airport device. It does successfully set up eth0, but to no avail because I can not get passed the airport struggle. I have read conflicting articles claiming it is and is not supported. The SuSE book explains how to set up the airport card, but is about 2 pages of worthless information. My question is this. What command can I pass to the kernel via lilo to skip the airport setup? I have already reinstalled a few times and just want to "roll up my sleeves and fix it" now. -Spencer Underground From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 1 23:23:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How much does MS pay these guys? In-Reply-To: <20010531185820.4855cb34.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:58:20PM -0500 References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280837@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010531185820.4855cb34.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010601232337.A12512@real-time.com> > I don't know.. I'm not sure if the Itanium can execute 32-bit code or > not. Microsoft probably should have an emulation layer for 32-bit > applications. If you want to go back to 16-bit, port DOSEmu or something > ;-) it can, albeit *really* slowly. some PC hardware site got their hands on one for a little bit, and they say it runs 32-bit code about as fast as a 486/low-end Pentium. it should be pointed out that the IA-64 processors out there right now, are basically just for software development... they haven't been optimized for speed yet. it'll still be a couple of processor revisions before they'll be ready to compete with the K7s and P4s, for daily use. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 1 23:33:10 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting time from time server In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:33:07AM -0500 References: <000f01c0e984$d3fc5c20$cd8be23f@csi.net> Message-ID: <20010601233305.B12512@real-time.com> > The simpelest way I know of is to install xntp rdate is even simpler. :) I just do 'rdate -s time.nist.gov' then do 'hwclock -w' (or 'clock -w' will work on redhat) to set the hardware clock to the software time. by the look of things, it may not be as accurate as ntpdate or xntpd; but if a few seconds is close enough for you; it's probably good enough. :) I used to just have a cron job that ran once a week, and used rdate and clock to set the system clock against time.nist.gov. it's really not the best thing if your system clock 'drifts' pretty badly, tho. some programs don't react well to having the system time changed out from under them. for a production environment, with many machines working in close synchronization with each other (logging to a common loghost, for instance); xntpd is definitely the way to go. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jack at jacku.com Fri Jun 1 23:39:55 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01060123395500.01260@geezer> I'll make some comments about KDE simply because it has become my desktop of choice. This probably for the wrong reason though. I use SuSE and SuSE is much more KDE focused than GNOME focuesed. (Both are available.) Also when I started using KDE 1 it further along than GNOME at the point and I've gotten used to it. To answer the question about changes. Yes there has been truely significant work done with the revisions. I'm currently running 2.1.0 and I like it a lot. I use one of 3 web browsers depending on what I'm doing, Opera 5, Netscape 4.7, or Konqueror. If I'm downloading stuff from web sites I'll use Opera. For general surfing I'll use Opera or Konqueror. For finicky websites I'll use Netscape. Konqueror still hickups occassionly but it is much more stable than the KDE 2.0 version of the program. I have KOffice installed but haven't had time to play with it yet. I use Kmail for mail reading. It doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles but it does what I need so its "good enough". I've got SuSE installed on a couple of the machines in our "Lab" are at work and most people who have sat down at them seem to be able to find Netscape and hit the companies web-mail site without much assistance. Sorry for the rambling reply. I hope this helps a little... Jack On Friday 01 June 2001 10:07, you wrote: > First off, I don't want a flame war. I am perfectly happy with > Blackbox myself, so this is really for my wife, a Windows refugee. I > recognize that she would be much more comfortable with a desktop > environment, and want to make things comfortable. > What I like about KDE is its rapid development cycle. Do these guys > ever take a break? However, perhaps someone more knowledgable could > tell me whether there is significant development, or if each new > release is more along the lines of "Oh, look, I added a paperclip > widget! Let's release a new version!" > On the other hand, I like GNOME's look and feel. Furthermore, KDE > seems to be the Arkansas cousin in the Debian world; he's family, but > we prefer to keep him in the back of the house. (No offense intended > for anyone from Arkansas or having cousins from said fine state.) > What I don't like about both is their bloat. I have run both on my > puny 200 MHz 32MB laptop, and let me tell you, they suffer from bloat. > True, my new system is an Athlon 1.2 with 256 MB, so that should help > matters significantly, but it is the principle of the thing. > So, imagine yourself in my shoes: you have the opportunity to > introduce a newbie to the Linux world. What desktop environment would > you choose? Why? What futures do you see for them? Remember, while I > will be the primary administrator, I will have to be teaching her, or > at least leaving a list of instructions, of how to run the system in > case something ever happens to me. Like, "Oh, no, Peter was hit by a > low-flying penguin! Where's our tax information? And while I'm at it, > how do I change the font?" > I will now wear my asbestos underwear... > > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 2 04:35:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux Message-ID: <20010602043517.A2713@real-time.com> Ok, what does Bastille Linux really do? I understand it hardens linux. But what does it actually do? The FAQ and README do not say anything about that. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 2 06:19:56 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: <200106011553.f51Fr2K30026@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > As the older generation passes on, it may take a good chunk of > > Microsoft's market with it. > > Boy, that's an unfortunate turn of phrase! If Microsoft gets wind of > that idea, they'll start selling life insurance that names themselves as > the customers' beneficiary. We may need to "make a few calls" and have uncle Guido "take care of" a few people, but if that's what it takes... ;-) Scott Dier writes: > This guy is hurling FUD. Worse, he works for the govt. Even worse, he > doesn't actually follow linux, he makes his point as an "enthusist" > *not* a working linux professional. > > Plus, the person has not a presence in the community as far as I can > see. This non-presence brings -0- creditability to many of these > arguments. I disagree, and think the author makes some valid points regarding obstacles Linux faces on "the desktop." Currently, the vast, unwashed masses of business computer users couldn't care less about "the community." By my definition, "the desktop" is different than "the community" -- the government recently declared that Microsoft currently enjoys effective monopoly control over "the desktop." In recent months, in an effort to spread doubt about open-source, linux, the GPL, etc., Microsoft has been conducting a calculated negative public relations campaign against linux and friends. Presumably, M$ marketing research has led it to believe that open-source, etc. represent a threat to the M$ way of life. The apparent goal of Microsoft's negative PR campaign is to rally the troops and sway the hearts and minds of many, relatively naive computer users. IMHO, while sometimes necessary, grandstanding and taking up a rigid, elitist stance is not always the most effective political response to this type of criticism. On a lighter note, Friday's Slashdot carried an interesting story regarding recent remarks by Steve Ballmer (big kahuna at Microsoft): Ballmer Calls Linux "A Cancer" http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/01/1658258.shtml The following commentary, found in the discussion under the story, cracked me up laughing... To Microsoft: This word you use ... Innovative ... I do not think it means what you think it means. Joel (apologies to "The Princess Bride") --- Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Jun 2 08:42:07 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux In-Reply-To: <20010602043517.A2713@real-time.com> References: <20010602043517.A2713@real-time.com> Message-ID: <991489329.1254.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Haven't you been reading Linux Journal? Shame. ;-) There was an interesting article on Bastille last month or the month before. I haven't tried it yet but based on what I read it runs a check on your system and finds possible security problems and explains them then either fixes them or tells you how to fix them. Seems like a cool idea for people like me who are too lazy to go through and check everything by hand. But on the other hand I'm a bit nervous about running it on a production server. Might do something I wouldn't know how to undo right away. Brady > Ok, what does Bastille Linux really do? > > I understand it hardens linux. But what does it actually do? The FAQ and README > do not say anything about that. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jh at sgi.com Sat Jun 2 09:18:19 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laser printer recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, May 30, 2001 at 07:22:23PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010602091819.A7074@sgi.com> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 07:22:23PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm finally getting around to buying a laser printer for home. I never print > color pictures, so I don't need an inkjet for anything. Of course, I need it > to be good, fast, and cheap. :-) (What do you mean I can only pick two?) > > Is is worth the money to get something that speaks PS natively? If not, I > imagine there are quite a few that would be OK. > > Any recommendations? Both PS and non-PS. > > -Tim I picked up a used Lexmark laser at the Surplus Store at MPC in Eagan. . I think I paid $65. The current page lists "HP LaserJet's starting from $45.00". John From simeonuj at eetc.com Sat Jun 2 09:42:33 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally got DSL :-) Message-ID: <3B18FB55.2D17D5A5@eetc.com> It's up and running. Connection speed is great i.e. better than the fractionalized T1 at work most of the time. Although on a good day work kicks some major ***. Now I just have to run the etherenet cable to my computer upstairs. :-) BTW, UT works well too. sim From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jun 2 10:09:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux In-Reply-To: <20010602043517.A2713@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 04:35:17AM -0500 References: <20010602043517.A2713@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010602100947.W4882@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010602 04:37]: > I understand it hardens linux. But what does it actually do? The FAQ and README > do not say anything about that. It fixes stuff that redhat left on by default or didn't ask you about first. :) Well, perhaps 7.x is getting better. I dont use it. I'm moving us from rh6.2 all over to progeny. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010602/22e5e83f/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jun 2 10:13:28 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 06:19:56AM -0500 References: <200106011553.f51Fr2K30026@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010602101328.X4882@ringworld.org> * Joel T Schneider [010602 08:04]: > masses of business computer users couldn't care less about "the > community." By my definition, "the desktop" is different than "the > community" -- the government recently declared that Microsoft currently > enjoys effective monopoly control over "the desktop." Linux faces obsticales in presenting itself as 'the desktop' as the first-learning-time/chance to a user. Not that it cant do the same things. I've tought people how to use linux with very little windows experience at all and its fun to see them bitch and whine in front of a windows machine. :) Mind you, this isn't teaching them how to administrate a machine. Thats something thats being taken care of by Mandrake and Progeny. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, it will walk you thru a firewall config if you dont have one, it will walk you thru chroot'n BIND if you want, it asks if you want to remove various deamons on startup, wants to remove the sUID root on several things, if you want to restrict cron and other things to root, implements more logging (changes syslog conf), something about running FTP in passie mode i think.. it will create an undo script and a very verbose log of the things it did. It doesnt do anything you cant do by hd. I am running it on my server. One other thing that it does, is create a tmp dir for each user for each session in /tmp to isolate your temp files from others. The guy who writes it is semi-responsive to email. The final 1.2 release schedule has been "just a few more days" for the last month or so. On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, what does Bastille Linux really do? > > I understand it hardens linux. But what does it actually do? The FAQ and README > do not say anything about that. > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From jspinti at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 2 12:41:10 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: In my continuing saga to bring bad news... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01060212411000.01805@pii400> On Saturday 02 June 2001 06:19, you wrote: > > On a lighter note, Friday's Slashdot carried an interesting story > regarding recent remarks by Steve Ballmer (big kahuna at Microsoft): > > Ballmer Calls Linux "A Cancer" > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/01/1658258.shtml > > The following commentary, found in the discussion under the story, cracked > me up laughing... > > To Microsoft: This word you use ... Innovative ... I do not think it > means what you think it means. > > Joel > > (apologies to "The Princess Bride") > The one below it was even better: Ballmer: Ever hear of Stallman? de Icaza? TORVALDS? Dread Pirate Roberts: yes. Ballmer: Morons. Bryguy: "I've been slowly building up an immunity to proprietary software for the past 5 years" -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From mccloud at wiredhot.net Sat Jun 2 15:13:39 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting time from time server In-Reply-To: <20010601233305.B12512@real-time.com> References: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:33:07AM -0500 Message-ID: <3B1902A3.11099.4DA1803@localhost> I got a scolding once because my clock was set to CST and not GMT (for the webserver). What do most do when setting the clock for webservers? On 1 Jun 2001, at 23:33, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] setting time from time server Send reply to: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:33:10 -0500 > > The simpelest way I know of is to install xntp > > rdate is even simpler. :) > > I just do 'rdate -s time.nist.gov' > then do 'hwclock -w' (or 'clock -w' will work on redhat) to set the > hardware clock to the software time. > > by the look of things, it may not be as accurate as ntpdate or xntpd; > but if a few seconds is close enough for you; it's probably good > enough. :) > > I used to just have a cron job that ran once a week, and used rdate > and clock to set the system clock against time.nist.gov. it's really > not the best thing if your system clock 'drifts' pretty badly, tho. > some programs don't react well to having the system time changed out > from under them. > > for a production environment, with many machines working in close > synchronization with each other (logging to a common loghost, for > instance); xntpd is definitely the way to go. > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 2 15:32:09 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux In-Reply-To: <200106021701.f52H19K28127@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, what does Bastille Linux really do? > > I understand it hardens linux. But what does it actually do? The FAQ and README > do not say anything about that. Mandrake 8 includes some Bastille stuff. Chapter 13 of the users guide talks a little bit about Bastille, but doesn't include too much detail, as the chapter mostly covers the bastille GUI configuration tools: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdoc.php3 The Mandrake 8 CDs include the following Bastille related RPMs: Bastille-1.2.0.rc3-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm Bastille-Chooser-1.2.0.rc3-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm Bastille-Curses-module-1.2.0.rc3-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm Bastille-Tk-module-1.2.0.rc3-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm Also required: perl-Curses-1.05-2mdk.i586.rpm perl-Tk-800.022-5mdk.i586.rpm The BastilleChooser and InteractiveBastille tools look pretty decent. However, as I haven't yet tried them out myself, that's about all I can really say... Joel --- Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 2 16:10:37 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <200106021701.f52H19K28127@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: KDE vs. GNOME?? Neither. I prefer Window Maker: http://windowmaker.org/ Add some dock apps, themes and transparent (tinted) aterms or eterms... Woohoo!! Joel From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 2 17:19:36 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: <200106021701.f52H19K28127@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Scott Dier wrote: > Well, perhaps 7.x is getting better. I dont use it. I'm moving us from > rh6.2 all over to progeny. :) Is Progeny Debian 1.0 really pretty decent? I've heard good things about Progeny 1.0, saying it is a slim, trim, easier to install flavor of Debian. I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a copy... Joel --- Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. From ben at nerp.net Sat Jun 2 17:22:25 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yes.. i'm running on my progeny installed laptop. it has some trouble with X configuration on certin video chips (like the savage 4 in my laptop) but it's really nice overall.. i love debian anyway.. progeny makes it just that much nicer. at the IMA, I am looking to upgrade all of our redhat 6.2 machines to progeny Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Scott Dier wrote: > > Well, perhaps 7.x is getting better. I dont use it. I'm moving us from > > rh6.2 all over to progeny. :) > > Is Progeny Debian 1.0 really pretty decent? > > I've heard good things about Progeny 1.0, saying it is a slim, trim, > easier to install flavor of Debian. > > I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian > Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a > copy... > > Joel > > --- > Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxlnI8tpDhsSpvgtAQH2AAP+NQ5LYKqGlFcqGtkykQly0+amlrHZvQYe Xu3yFvkpBOhLzcS874ekgV5AdimUS1Uj0/amJS6OnotDsR//7mXrMSTMt1L9KXed EPAIF9uanZ1hz8eSc7OPEVr4oqWTEmwQueMHXKUnFIYDna2mqWb+/J317wpgDqPu 4sUK/AbGs6U= =5I/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at droyer.org Sat Jun 2 17:28:46 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tried Progeny on a box receintly here. The install is more graphical, and a little less confusing than the standard debian install, but I found it easier to start with the regular debian install. I had no need for X and Progeny does not give you the option of leaving out X. Dave On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Scott Dier wrote: > > Well, perhaps 7.x is getting better. I dont use it. I'm moving us from > > rh6.2 all over to progeny. :) > > Is Progeny Debian 1.0 really pretty decent? > > I've heard good things about Progeny 1.0, saying it is a slim, trim, > easier to install flavor of Debian. > > I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian > Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a > copy... > > Joel > > --- > Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 2 19:31:14 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Twin Cities Mech Wars probably on TV tonight Message-ID: <20010602193114.6e725f42.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dunno if anyone else went to the TC Mech Wars (formerly `Robo Wars' until they got sued) today, but there should be some coverage of it on WCCO and KMSP tonight. I guess they're planning to run a few competitions each day at the Minnesota State Fair this fall. http://www.tcmechwars.com/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Cause of crash: / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Inadvertent contact with \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) the ground. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From mend0070 at umn.edu Sat Jun 2 20:30:18 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO Message-ID: <200106030130.UAA22506@www7.mail.umn.edu> If you didn't get the link to the DMT biased whitepaper I posted which has probably the best answers I've seen to your question, it's http://support.aware.com/technology/whitepapers/dmt.html Cheers, Phil M On or about 1 Jun 2001, Munir Nassar is alleged to have said: > is one better or faster than the other? why would they > switch? what are the pros and cons of each? > > -munir > --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > > > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is CAP > > and DMT and if my modem > > > doesn't do those yet why should it? > > > > Your modem does one of the two. They are two of the > > encoding formats for > > DSL. Think of AM/FM, or better the two incompatible > > formats that were > > in use for 56K (still are?) a couple of years ago. > > > > CAP is Carrierless Amplitude/Phase modulation, and > > DMT is discrete > > multi-tone. It's the physical layer. If it works, > > don't worry about it > > -- but you might look at which you're using. > > > > -- > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." > > --Anonymous > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ > PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --Begin signature-- X ---End signature--- From veldy at veldy.net Sat Jun 2 21:49:52 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So Progeny is probably not a very good Server based distribution? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Royer Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 5:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) I tried Progeny on a box receintly here. The install is more graphical, and a little less confusing than the standard debian install, but I found it easier to start with the regular debian install. I had no need for X and Progeny does not give you the option of leaving out X. Dave On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Scott Dier wrote: > > Well, perhaps 7.x is getting better. I dont use it. I'm moving us from > > rh6.2 all over to progeny. :) > > Is Progeny Debian 1.0 really pretty decent? > > I've heard good things about Progeny 1.0, saying it is a slim, trim, > easier to install flavor of Debian. > > I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian > Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a > copy... > > Joel > > --- > Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jun 3 11:03:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic to valinux.com? Message-ID: <20010603110344.C10469@sherohman.org> The last week or so, one of my machines has been logging a lot of ICMP destination unreachables from a VA Linux address. But I have no idea why it would be talking to VA at all. I've set up an ngrep session to log all traffic to and from 198.186.200.0/22, which is the block containing the address sending me the dest unreachables, but is there a better way to find out why this box keeps talking to them? (And no, it's not offering any services other than ssh, so VA shouldn't be the ones initiating the connections. Nor was it bought from them or ever had anything to do with the company aside from maybe viewing their website once or twice.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 11:26:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding Message-ID: I've got two quickies (maybe 3) about port forwarding on a NAT firewall. I'm using ipmasqadm portfw, kernel v2.2.19 or thereabouts on a CoyoteLinux box. 1: ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L (local addr) 80 -R (masq'd addr) 80 seems to set up the forward I want. What I read in the docs indicates that the return ports should already be covered by the normal masq behavior. Is this true, or do I need to set up a return path? 2: Any better recommendations on IPChains than the IPChains-HOWTO? And what happened to the MASQ/NAT stuff Amy had put up on the mn-linux web site? 3: Has anyone noticed / can anyone explain why on a 486 box, when ipchains or the routing table are listed, at least the first time, it takes a *really* long time for them to respond with the table? I mean that ipchains -L gives the headers, but then waits like a _minute_ or two. If you're patient, it comes, and after that is fast. What's making it think so hard the first time? Thanks! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jun 3 11:34:02 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] va system-imager Message-ID: <20010603113402.C11639@minime.sistina.com> Hi all, I am sitting here at work reinstalling 30 servers before the first official class of GFS100 next week. I decided to use VA's system-imager (http://systemimager.org) and let me tell you it's fantastic. I have 3 images: memexp-node, gfs-node, and mgmt-workstation. Each machines MAC is plugged into /etc/dhcpd.conf on the system-imager server, and that corresonds to a dynamically assinged static IP, which corresponds to a hostname (obviously). I drop a cd in each machine, reboot and wait a minute or two and blamo. It's done. each machine is freshly installed. Granted I do them one at a time with a monitor on the box so I can make sure all goes well. But eventually I'll automate the whole process. If you maintain serveral machines with similar configurations systemimager is the way to go. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010603/33ed80fd/attachment.pgp From ben at nerp.net Sun Jun 3 12:03:55 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic to valinux.com? In-Reply-To: <20010603110344.C10469@sherohman.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- odd.. any specific hostnames the traffic is coming from? this could be responses to spoofed packets, with your address as the spoofed source. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > The last week or so, one of my machines has been logging a lot of ICMP > destination unreachables from a VA Linux address. But I have no idea why it > would be talking to VA at all. > > I've set up an ngrep session to log all traffic to and from 198.186.200.0/22, > which is the block containing the address sending me the dest unreachables, > but is there a better way to find out why this box keeps talking to them? > (And no, it's not offering any services other than ssh, so VA shouldn't be > the ones initiating the connections. Nor was it bought from them or ever had > anything to do with the company aside from maybe viewing their website once > or twice.) > > -- > That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen > Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ > o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxpt/ctpDhsSpvgtAQGqMgP9FmB2IrN/REwbNmtwJlH+Sa+x6Pwv+LOA mMm5S9yRWWdYn8omwwq7U+JWEbWQxK+kcCjwZx1yTVOC/tFAWtfcJ77sYh49NIvN gnQlYyiYmNe+dETIit8/SewOo10btGg2CXLxOtKvTQ5ltWCY4lTFtqdnbkwAeS06 x+wIam53nI8= =B/bY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 12:06:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010603120626.1b9b0b9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > 1: > > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L (local addr) 80 -R (masq'd addr) 80 > > seems to set up the forward I want. What I read in the docs > indicates that the return ports should already be covered by > the normal masq behavior. Is this true, or do I need to set up > a return path? It worked for me. > 3: > Has anyone noticed / can anyone explain why on a 486 box, when > ipchains or the routing table are listed, at least the first > time, it takes a *really* long time for them to respond with > the table? I mean that ipchains -L gives the headers, but then > waits like a _minute_ or two. If you're patient, it comes, and > after that is fast. What's making it think so hard the first time? It's doing a reverse DNS lookup on the IP addresses. Using `ipchains -L -n' should be a lot faster. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Isn't Disney World a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people trap operated by \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) a mouse? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 12:08:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic to valinux.com? In-Reply-To: <20010603110344.C10469@sherohman.org> References: <20010603110344.C10469@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010603120801.5b0e9c49.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > The last week or so, one of my machines has been logging a lot of ICMP > destination unreachables from a VA Linux address. But I have no idea > why it would be talking to VA at all. > > I've set up an ngrep session to log all traffic to and from > 198.186.200.0/22, which is the block containing the address sending me > the dest unreachables, but is there a better way to find out why this > box keeps talking to them? My first thought is that the address looks strikingly similar to 192.168.x.y, one of the internal address ranges. There might just be a misconfiguration somewhere, a typo or something. When I was at the U, I once logged some telnet connection attempts from a system at the National Guard in California. You can imagine how spooked I was to see a .mil address in my logs ;-) However, it just happened that someone had typed an IP address incorrectly. Dig around, see what you can find. If you still can't figure anything out, get in contact with your ISP and/or VA. There's a decent chance that someone else is scratching their head trying to figure it out. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You have saved our lives, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ we are eternally \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) grateful! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 12:12:43 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding In-Reply-To: <20010603120626.1b9b0b9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > It worked for me. Thanks -- I thought I had it, but punctuation being what it is... > > 3: > > Has anyone noticed / can anyone explain why on a 486 box, when > > ipchains or the routing table are listed, at least the first > > time, it takes a *really* long time for them to respond with > > the table? I mean that ipchains -L gives the headers, but then > > waits like a _minute_ or two. If you're patient, it comes, and > > after that is fast. What's making it think so hard the first time? > > It's doing a reverse DNS lookup on the IP addresses. Using `ipchains -L > -n' should be a lot faster. OK. I bet that's what I'm seeing with the port forwarding too. I've got DNS set up, but reverse is still pending between granitecanyon and my ISP (just made some changes.) That's a little bit important, eh? Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dave at droyer.org Sun Jun 3 13:15:25 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991592133.2469.2.camel@merlin> You could certainly apt-get remove the stuff you don't want, but for a server I'd rather just install the stuff I want rather than the other way around. I do have to give them credit though, it is a better install for people new to linux or debian. Like anything designed to make things simpler, you lose some of the functionality. Dave On 02 Jun 2001 21:49:52 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > So Progeny is probably not a very good Server based distribution? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jun 3 13:35:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Game Order Message-ID: Hey all, Ok, I've closed the order form thing. Expect confirmation Emails as soon as I figure out why I can't send mail from perl anymore (damn thing worked 10 minutes ago! Argh!) You _must_ reply to these Emails! Also note there are some games I DON'T KNOW THE PRICES FOR. If such a title is in your order, it will be noted, and your total price will, obviously, not include those titles (you'll get a subtotal for the other titles). Later, -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jun 3 13:44:27 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Loki games stuff Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I've sent out the confirmation mails, and they haven't bounced yet. If you don't get the confirmation Email reasonably soon, let me know. -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Sun Jun 3 13:57:18 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting time from time server References: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:33:07AM -0500 <3B1902A3.11099.4DA1803@localhost> Message-ID: <3B1A888E.7488F6D7@fandre.com> Bob McCloud wrote: > > I got a scolding once because my clock was set to CST and not > GMT (for the webserver). What do most do when setting the clock > for webservers? > I would definately set my HW clock to GMT time for a server. This way you don't have to worry about daylight savings on your HW clock. (OS should take care of it) But for a desktop you might want to stick to your local timezone. Especially if you're dual-booting since Windows (AFAIK) doesn't really like to use GMT time. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jun 3 14:36:56 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKIGAMES further clarification Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I don't know how mayment will be handled yet. Next Monday (June 11th) I will send Loki the list of games we want, and see if they accept it. THEN we'll worry about payment. It is most likely that we'll want it in advance. Everyone will pay one person who'll pay Loki. Loki definetly don't want multiple payments. -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Jun 3 14:50:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 05:19:36PM -0500 References: <200106021701.f52H19K28127@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010603145039.E4882@ringworld.org> * Joel T Schneider [010602 17:20]: > I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian > Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a > copy... And they do have copies, last i checked. Move them all in front of the redhat stuff if you can for me :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010603/3661da24/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 14:57:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: <20010603145039.E4882@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > And they do have copies, last i checked. > > Move them all in front of the redhat stuff if you can for me :) I haven't gotten far with Progeny, but I did find one corporatism. You can apt-get dist upgrade from Debian if you put the right line in /etc/apt/sources.list, but you can't install from scratch without buying a boxed set. I guess you can always install Debian and then upgrade, if you need it for free (cash). -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 15:00:37 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A new half price book/music/software store has openend way out on university just outside coon rapids. Most of there stuff pretty good, They had a decent selection of Linux games. Damn cheap, the books and cd's were too. Colin From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Jun 3 15:19:51 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 03:00:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010603151951.C22952@iaxs.net> On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 03:00:37PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > A new half price book/music/software store has openend way out on > university just outside coon rapids. Most of there stuff pretty good, > They had a decent selection of Linux games. Damn cheap, the books and > cd's were too. How far north of 694 is this? And what's the exact store name? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 15:25:10 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! In-Reply-To: <20010603151951.C22952@iaxs.net> Message-ID: Half price books. I don't exactly know how far it is but it is up by the mall. Colin From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jun 3 16:32:17 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! References: Message-ID: <3B1AACE1.9D759C12@haxxed.com> Colin Kilbane wrote: > > Half price books. I don't exactly know how far it is but it is up by the > mall. Which mall? Wha? Be more specific. ;P From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Jun 3 17:26:27 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010603172627.A21402@ringworld.org> * Phil Mendelsohn [010603 14:58]: > /etc/apt/sources.list, but you can't install from scratch without buying a > boxed set. Download the ISO. The supported install method is only from CD. ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/progeny/images/ AFAIK. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010603/52e605f9/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 17:51:40 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: <20010603172627.A21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Phil Mendelsohn [010603 14:58]: > > /etc/apt/sources.list, but you can't install from scratch without buying a > > boxed set. > > Download the ISO. The supported install method is only from CD. Doesn't help -- no burner. But it's more than happy to do it as an upgrade to my existing Deb system(s). :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Jun 3 19:17:44 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! In-Reply-To: <3B1AACE1.9D759C12@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 04:32:17PM -0500 References: <3B1AACE1.9D759C12@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010603191744.A24488@iaxs.net> On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 04:32:17PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > > Half price books. I don't exactly know how far it is but it is up by the > > mall. > > Which mall? Wha? Be more specific. ;P Northtown Mall. IIRC, it should be in the 3-8 miles north of I-694 on University. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From fertch at mninter.net Sun Jun 3 20:38:15 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! References: <3B1AACE1.9D759C12@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <3B1AE687.FE4186A5@mninter.net> Half price books is in Maplewood, near the Maplewood Mall off of Beam Ave. Next to Burlington coat factory. I picked up about 4 games from them for about $15 each. Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > > Half price books. I don't exactly know how far it is but it is up by the > > mall. > > Which mall? Wha? Be more specific. ;P > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aton at skyenet.net Sun Jun 3 20:39:53 2001 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Port forwarding (Phil Mendelsohn) In-Reply-To: <200106031701.f53H13K15817@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200106040135.f541ZfPF005322@pop.skyenet.net> >From: Phil Mendelsohn >Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding >I've got two quickies (maybe 3) about port forwarding on a NAT >firewall. I'm using ipmasqadm portfw, kernel v2.2.19 or thereabouts on a >CoyoteLinux box. > >1: > > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L (local addr) 80 -R (masq'd addr) 80 > > seems to set up the forward I want. What I read in the docs > indicates that the return ports should already be covered by > the normal masq behavior. Is this true, or do I need to set up > a return path? That should work fine, but I would HIGHLY recommend moving a 2.4 based kernel and use iptables. The functionality is emmensely more powerful. >2: > Any better recommendations on IPChains than the IPChains-HOWTO? And > what happened to the MASQ/NAT stuff Amy had put up on the mn-linux web > site? > >3: > Has anyone noticed / can anyone explain why on a 486 box, when > ipchains or the routing table are listed, at least the first > time, it takes a *really* long time for them to respond with > the table? I mean that ipchains -L gives the headers, but then > waits like a _minute_ or two. If you're patient, it comes, and > after that is fast. What's making it think so hard the first time? Its waitng to resolve names. Use ipchains -L -n to output in numerical output only. Later, A From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jun 3 20:48:54 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: Progeny Debian (was Re: [TCLUG] Bastille Linux) In-Reply-To: <20010603145039.E4882@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010603204854.A15067@sherohman.org> On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 02:50:40PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Joel T Schneider [010602 17:20]: > > I also noticed that Micro Center is listed as one of the Progeny Debian > > Resellers. Might have to head over to St. Louis Park and pick up a > > copy... > > And they do have copies, last i checked. Yep. I was there today and there were 2 boxes on the shelf. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 20:52:09 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LInux games! In-Reply-To: <3B1AE687.FE4186A5@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Shawn wrote: > Half price books is in Maplewood, near the Maplewood Mall off of Beam > Ave. Next to Burlington coat factory. I picked up about 4 games from > them for about $15 each. Actually, they have a few stores. There used to be one in the skyway in St. Paul somewhere (Galtier plaza?). Turns out the guy that owns them all lives at the end of my street; met him at a block club meeting. Nice guy, never home. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 20:54:35 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Port forwarding (Phil Mendelsohn) In-Reply-To: <200106040135.f541ZfPF005322@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Aton wrote: > >1: > > > > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L (local addr) 80 -R (masq'd addr) 80 > > > > seems to set up the forward I want. What I read in the docs > > indicates that the return ports should already be covered by > > the normal masq behavior. Is this true, or do I need to set up > > a return path? > > That should work fine, but I would HIGHLY recommend moving a 2.4 based > kernel and use iptables. The functionality is emmensely more powerful. Yeah, I think the stateful forwarding connections sound nifty. But I think I'll get this one little forward working before I confuse myself! > Its waitng to resolve names. Use ipchains -L -n to output in numerical > output only. Thanks! Mike H. said the same thing and it must be true since you're both right! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 3 21:49:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday Message-ID: <20010603214941.0ebd0152.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Okay, so my last media alert didn't really work out. I saw a short 20 second blip of coverage of Mech Wars on Ch. 9, but nothing on WCCO (even though they had a reporter there the whole time). Maybe something will show up tonight. Anyway, this one is a little more likely: Linus Torvalds is expected to be on National Public Radio's Fresh Air program tomorrow. I guess it's broadcast from 8-9 PM here in Minnesota. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Well, you know, no matter / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ where you go, there you \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) are. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sun Jun 3 22:28:05 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: <20010603214941.0ebd0152.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > Anyway, this one is a little more likely: Linus Torvalds is expected to > be on National Public Radio's Fresh Air program tomorrow. I guess it's > broadcast from 8-9 PM here in Minnesota. > http://freshair.npr.org/ You can listen to the archives online, if you miss the show. ~j From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Jun 3 22:38:41 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010601123146.0293917f.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010601123146.0293917f.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: "Bill Layer" writes: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:20:42 -0500 (CDT) > "Brian" wrote: > If anyone here has > > a qowrst.net account you can download CBOS 2.4.2 at: > > > > https://www.qwest.net/tools/ppp/cbos > > You find a link to CBOS 2.4.2 here? I don't... and if I click on the > 'Non-Windows Download' button, it just dumpms me on a Qwest.net FAQ ?! > This page seems to focus on 2.2.0... a truly exploitable version. Man, > Qwest is behind.. I get what you just described, both parts. > PS I have 2.4.1 if anyone wants it.. but I'd like to get my hands on > 2.4.2, just 'cause that's how I am. I know why I wanted to get up to 2.2 (virtual ethernet ports). Why do I want to get up to 2.4? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jun 3 23:33:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: Hey, Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they were like $5 for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY large amounts of failed burns on them? So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! -Yaron -- From mccloud at wiredhot.net Mon Jun 4 00:11:15 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting time from time server In-Reply-To: <3B1A888E.7488F6D7@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3B1AD223.31050.4527CEC@localhost> thanks to dave and clay :) That brings the total to three.....I'm changing to GMT... Bob On 3 Jun 2001, at 13:57, Clay Fandre wrote: From: Clay Fandre To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] setting time from time server Send reply to: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date sent: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:57:18 -0500 > Bob McCloud wrote: > > > > I got a scolding once because my clock was set to CST and not > > GMT (for the webserver). What do most do when setting the clock for > > webservers? > > > > I would definately set my HW clock to GMT time for a server. This way > you don't have to worry about daylight savings on your HW clock. (OS > should take care of it) But for a desktop you might want to stick to > your local timezone. Especially if you're dual-booting since Windows > (AFAIK) doesn't really like to use GMT time. > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing > list tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 4 00:38:07 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? Message-ID: I'm playing with this upgrade on my secondary server; it's up and DNS appears to be working, which is its only semi-critical function. So that's good. But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 04:11:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Useful/Necessary Java projects? Message-ID: <20010604041121.O18947@real-time.com> I have started a project on sourceforge turning all the useful/necessary java projects into rpms. http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/rte For you java developers are there, what java projects/packages am I missing? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Jun 4 06:51:07 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83A8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:34 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Hey, Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they were like $5 for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY large amounts of failed burns on them? So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 06:54:18 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I know why I wanted to get up to 2.2 (virtual ethernet ports). Why do > I want to get up to 2.4? MD5 password encoding is a good reason. And here's the list from cisco, which looks like pretty much passwords again, for practical purposes. ---- Resolved Issues in CBOS Release 2.4.2 The following issues have been resolved in CBOS 2.4.2. CSCds87618 Setting VIP interrupt(s) to inside now sets non-Wan0-0 interrupt(s) to inside. CSCds89064 Passwords can now include uppercase letters. CSCdt04882 Passwords can now be stored in encrypted format in NVRAM. CSCdt12551 Help for the set int wanx standard command is now displayed when using G.DMT. CSCdt29157 Pinging with record routes and large packet sizes now works properly with the Cisco 677 CPE. CSCdt30943 The RIP Database now handles metric comparisons properly. CSCdt34289 The correct information on VPI/VCI range configuration is included in the CBOS 2.3.9 Release Notes. CSCdt50680 After enabling RFC1483, CBOS 2.4.2 now issues a prompt that a reboot is required. CSCdt52108 The snmpwalk to dsl modem command no longer shows a value of 0 for some OIDs. CSCdt68856 Non-classfull masks on eth0 are now advertised properly by RIPv1. CSCdt59082 The Net Meeting NAT command syntax is correct. > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 07:03:43 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but > no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not > compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously > running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install > that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? 2.4 rewrote all that packet filtering stuff to the netfilter stuff, but you knew that, right? ipchains won't work, looks like iptables _is_ what you need, and all I can tell you is that it's _not_ a Debian upgrade process. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 4 08:08:50 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83A8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <005701c0ecf7$7fc81470$3028680a@tgt.com> My biggest problem with the PNY CDRs is that occassionaly you will find that the "silver" label on top flakes off. The flakes even show up in the CDRW drive. No good. Once a scratch forms on the label, it can peel off from there. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:51 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:34 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > Hey, > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they were like $5 > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY large amounts > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 08:26:57 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <005701c0ecf7$7fc81470$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > My biggest problem with the PNY CDRs is that occassionaly you will find that > the "silver" label on top flakes off. The flakes even show up in the CDRW > drive. No good. Once a scratch forms on the label, it can peel off from > there. It's worse than that. If you mean that if flakes off so that you can see through the little hole if you hold it up to the light, that's because the silver label isn't a label -- it's the reflective layer the disc needs to work properly. I don't know who makes the discs for PNY, buy it's not Taiyo-Yuden -- that's who I used to use (Sony discs are T-Y). Unfortunately, they're never that cheap. :( -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jun 4 08:42:16 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? References: Message-ID: <3B1B9034.FE811AD7@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On 4 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but > > no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not > > compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously > > running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install > > that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? > > 2.4 rewrote all that packet filtering stuff to the netfilter stuff, but > you knew that, right? ipchains won't work, looks like iptables _is_ what > you need, and all I can tell you is that it's _not_ a Debian upgrade > process. ;) I installed 7.1 and IPChains is there but only as a module. They each (iptables/ipchains) have there own startup scripts too. You should be able to just insert the module and use ipchains without a problem. IIRC it was configurable in the installation. Mine actually used ipchains by default. 2.4 did rewrite it all but ipchains is still available as a module. I think the 2.0 kernel filter is also available as a module. IPFilter? Or you could just upgrade to iptables and join the truly elite. ;-) sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jun 4 08:42:26 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83A8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <005701c0ecf7$7fc81470$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B1B903F.DFB2AC6A@eetc.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > My biggest problem with the PNY CDRs is that occassionaly you will find that > the "silver" label on top flakes off. The flakes even show up in the CDRW > drive. No good. Once a scratch forms on the label, it can peel off from > there. Try putting a sticker label on them. Cheap CD's fail alot because of the lack of solid backing. Kinda like looking into a mirror without the reflective backing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miller, John" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:51 AM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. You can get a CD labeler i.e. a bunch of stickers that you can print on, and they might not be a complete waiste. You should label them befor burning though. That might help. Or just stick some tape on the damn thing and see how it works. :-) Since there so cheap I would just chuck them or use them for something that isn't important. Tip - If you can see light through the CD it's not worth buying and will cause you trouble. If the backing flakes off it will definetely cause you trouble. sim From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 4 08:51:52 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83A8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <005701c0ecf7$7fc81470$3028680a@tgt.com> <3B1B903F.DFB2AC6A@eetc.com> Message-ID: <007001c0ecfd$83685df0$3028680a@tgt.com> I burn way to many CD's to bother with sticker labels. I think I might just buy the "silver" disks that they rave about online. I like a label to write on, but I can just as well write on the disk itself. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > My biggest problem with the PNY CDRs is that occassionaly you will find that > > the "silver" label on top flakes off. The flakes even show up in the CDRW > > drive. No good. Once a scratch forms on the label, it can peel off from > > there. > > Try putting a sticker label on them. Cheap CD's fail alot because of the lack > of solid backing. Kinda like looking into a mirror without the reflective > backing. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miller, John" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. > > You can get a CD labeler i.e. a bunch of stickers that you can print on, and > they might not be a complete waiste. You should label them befor burning > though. That might help. Or just stick some tape on the damn thing and see > how it works. > :-) > Since there so cheap I would just chuck them or use them for something that > isn't important. > > Tip - If you can see light through the CD it's not worth buying and will cause > you trouble. If the backing flakes off it will definetely cause you trouble. > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 09:02:52 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <007001c0ecfd$83685df0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I burn way to many CD's to bother with sticker labels. I think I might just > buy the "silver" disks that they rave about online. I like a label to write > on, but I can just as well write on the disk itself. Sharpie marker is the tool. There was quite a little flame war among mastering guys a few years back about whether 'twas better to label or not. One problem with labels is that if you put a label on a disc with a flaky reflective layer (pun intended), should you try and remove it to relabel you might pull huge chunks of it off! You can't put too many labels on top, because if the disc gets too thick, it might be oversized for the players. I have run into odd players where one label was too thick, but that't a player you'd want to stay away from anyway. If you really use that many discs, set up an acct. with Tape Distributors and buy 'em wholesale. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 4 09:12:12 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but > no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not > compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously > running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install > that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? Sounds like you only upgraded the packages you had installed to the versions in 7.1, or missed some important packages along the way. Your ipchains problem is a 2.2 to 2.4 issue. ipchains was replaced with netfilter in 2.4 (iptables.) ipchains and the older ipfwadm are still available, but only as modules. So before using ipchains, you have to modprobe ipchains. Add it to your firewall script (or ipchains init script) and you should be set. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Jun 4 09:20:45 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010601150749.28384.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15131.39229.876278.979170@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Over time I've become a big fan of KDE. There are two reasons I favor KDE: 1. Subjective impression that it's more solid. I've just had more gnome things go south on me, and more of the gnome apps seem to be beta-ish. But then, I haven't ever tried KOffice --- your mileage may vary. 2. Subjective impression of better UI. For example, at least at the most recent Gnome I tried, their help browser had no search feature! This seems totally goofy to me. gnorpm has a UI that I find almost totally inscrutable, etc., etc. Of course, KDE has the totally annoying one-click-to-activate misfeature. But by and large, I find it superior. Oh, yes, and it's centered around konqueror, which I feel to be the best browser available for linux, bar none. Cheers, R From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 4 09:22:44 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: Message-ID: <008401c0ed01$d282edc0$3028680a@tgt.com> I use about 200 disks a year. It is a pain in the but to label them all. I just write on the disk and go. Much of it is large works in progress (snapshots if you will) and FreeBSD snapshot binary disks as well as various Linux distributions. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > I burn way to many CD's to bother with sticker labels. I think I might just > > buy the "silver" disks that they rave about online. I like a label to write > > on, but I can just as well write on the disk itself. > > Sharpie marker is the tool. There was quite a little flame war among > mastering guys a few years back about whether 'twas better to label or > not. One problem with labels is that if you put a label on a disc with a > flaky reflective layer (pun intended), should you try and remove it to > relabel you might pull huge chunks of it off! You can't put too many > labels on top, because if the disc gets too thick, it might be oversized > for the players. I have run into odd players where one label was too > thick, but that't a player you'd want to stay away from anyway. > > If you really use that many discs, set up an acct. with Tape Distributors > and buy 'em wholesale. > > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Jun 4 09:25:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely disappointed with them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:34 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > Hey, > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they > were like $5 > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY > large amounts > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Jun 4 09:25:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely disappointed with them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:34 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > Hey, > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they > were like $5 > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY > large amounts > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Mon Jun 4 09:31:37 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: Message-ID: <3B1B9BC9.4C59689@mninter.net> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > If you really use that many discs, set up an acct. with Tape Distributors > and buy 'em wholesale. What about good rewriteables if you chuck out the old ones often? From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jun 4 09:37:15 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? Message-ID: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the network. However we are using switches for security and the switches only have capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all traffic, just like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some suggestions on switches that would have more than one monitoring port. Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. From ben at nerp.net Mon Jun 4 09:48:24 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? In-Reply-To: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- why in the world would you need both linux servers to have access to all traffic on the network, that's a really _bad_ idea when it comes to bandwidth, AND security. the whole point of having a switch is so that traffic between hosts doesn't affect traffic between other servers and hosts. if you need to do failover, the 2 linux servers should have an active connection between them, which doesn't require that they monitor traffic. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the network. However > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all traffic, just > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > suggestions on switches that would have more than one monitoring port. > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxufuctpDhsSpvgtAQGRwAQAjsqvjJcMHoYsH4ElrXqPG5E9OCML8qsK fonuM1taK5tQ7vzTbWyDE8FY1ePv3NmIWzUEn3TXlsjWNnhlbpEGa1/kqOKFLE0A XPwZw17mgkLNN3xXauIvUzHriXyPO04okIfS9DlUZM2c39T+V8vOsNSdS8TQCfCW Ia14Xe//qh4= =a+7V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 4 09:53:33 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:37:15 CDT." <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> References: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010604145333.56D2E183E9@skuld.wk> In message <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net>, Jason Jorgensen writes: > We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 switches to allow > the bridges to work properly. So I would like some suggestions on > switches that would have more than one monitoring port. Right now > we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. Use the HP ProCurve 4000M switches. VERY nice. I wouldn't get anything else. Very powerful. Very configurable. Hot swappable port cards, including gigabit and fiber. Hot swappable power supplies. Expandable. Managed. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 09:57:59 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <008401c0ed01$d282edc0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I use about 200 disks a year. It is a pain in the but to label them all. I > just write on the disk and go. Much of it is large works in progress > (snapshots if you will) and FreeBSD snapshot binary disks as well as various > Linux distributions. You could still probably do whole sale with Tape Distrib. Or maybe we should do a LUG buying coop through my old acct... hrm. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 10:00:53 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <3B1B9BC9.4C59689@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Shawn wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > If you really use that many discs, set up an acct. with Tape Distributors > > and buy 'em wholesale. > > > What about good rewriteables if you chuck out the old ones often? From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jun 4 10:24:04 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? References: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> <20010604145333.56D2E183E9@skuld.wk> Message-ID: <3B1BA814.7B642BDD@structural-wood.com> "Chad C. Walstrom" wrote: > > In message <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net>, Jason Jorgensen writes: > > We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 switches to allow > > the bridges to work properly. So I would like some suggestions on > > switches that would have more than one monitoring port. Right now > > we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > Use the HP ProCurve 4000M switches. VERY nice. I wouldn't get > anything else. Very powerful. Very configurable. Hot swappable port > cards, including gigabit and fiber. Hot swappable power supplies. Expandable. > Managed. > I heartily agree. These are absolutely flawless and a joy to work with. They even operate in moderately harsh environments (we have one in a wood working area that is exposed to outside humidity and temp, and it never has any problems). From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Jun 4 10:27:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280863@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Why do you want to set up SPAN ports for this? Do you have multiple VLAN's that you want to pass across the bridge? You should be able to just plug them in and make sure spanning tree is configured properly. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:48 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > why in the world would you need both linux servers to have > access to all > traffic on the network, that's a really _bad_ idea when it comes to > bandwidth, AND security. the whole point of having a switch > is so that > traffic between hosts doesn't affect traffic between other servers and > hosts. if you need to do failover, the 2 linux servers should have an > active connection between them, which doesn't require that > they monitor > traffic. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the > network. However > > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all > traffic, just > > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on > each of our 2 > > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > > suggestions on switches that would have more than one > monitoring port. > > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOxufuctpDhsSpvgtAQGRwAQAjsqvjJcMHoYsH4ElrXqPG5E9OCML8qsK > fonuM1taK5tQ7vzTbWyDE8FY1ePv3NmIWzUEn3TXlsjWNnhlbpEGa1/kqOKFLE0A > XPwZw17mgkLNN3xXauIvUzHriXyPO04okIfS9DlUZM2c39T+V8vOsNSdS8TQCfCW > Ia14Xe//qh4= > =a+7V > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jun 4 10:47:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <15131.39229.876278.979170@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20010604104712.C21402@ringworld.org> * Robert P. Goldman [010604 09:21]: > 2. Subjective impression of better UI. For example, at least at the > most recent Gnome I tried, their help browser had no search feature! whatis: is what your looking for. Took me 3 seconds in the gnome help to find that. > This seems totally goofy to me. gnorpm has a UI that I find almost > totally inscrutable, etc., etc. rpm's blow :) Progeny has some nifty gnome-based utilities for managing package sets, but for package-stuff-munging dselect still rules all. :) > centered around konqueror, which I feel to be the best browser Uhhh. ok. It cant do the CSS i spew, nor does it have full emcascript support. :) Plus, mozilla .9 and beyond are getting pretty amazingly fast. Plus, I dont have to load a huge amount of KDE libs for only one application. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010604/f0531450/attachment.pgp From jethro at yaron.org Mon Jun 4 11:07:37 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <991670857.3b1bb249ccc36@dragon> Hey, Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely disappointed with > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. Count me in on that - let me know who/how you're sending it in and I'll send one too. -Yaron -- From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 4 11:12:51 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? In-Reply-To: <3B1B9034.FE811AD7@eetc.com> References: <3B1B9034.FE811AD7@eetc.com> Message-ID: Simeon Johnston writes: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On 4 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but > > > no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not > > > compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously > > > running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install > > > that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? > > > > 2.4 rewrote all that packet filtering stuff to the netfilter stuff, but > > you knew that, right? ipchains won't work, looks like iptables _is_ what > > you need, and all I can tell you is that it's _not_ a Debian upgrade > > process. ;) Replying to two layers in one response, yes I know they changed the firewalling stuff completely. I'm generally unimpressed with package upgrades using RPM because it almost always sets aside my carefully-constructed config file and puts in a default one that's useless. And doesn't specifically warn me in the cases where the format or required contents changed thoroughly so I have to recreate my configuration from scratch. So, does Debian handle that better? > I installed 7.1 and IPChains is there but only as a module. They each > (iptables/ipchains) have there own startup scripts too. > You should be able to just insert the module and use ipchains without a > problem. > IIRC it was configurable in the installation. Mine actually used ipchains > by default. > 2.4 did rewrite it all but ipchains is still available as a module. I think > the 2.0 kernel filter is also available as a module. IPFilter? > Or you could just upgrade to iptables and join the truly elite. ;-) Well, if I could convert my existing ipchains firewall rules easily, that'd make sense. What I actually got after my upgrade (upgrade, not new install, remember) is that there's an ipchains startup script and an ipchains rpm installed, and no iptables rpm installed and no iptables startup script. The ipchains rpm is the same version that's on the 7.1 install CD. But when I actually run ipchains, it complains it's incompatible with this kernel. I do see some tables-related modules in the modules directory. Well, I can manually switch over. I wonder if I could have somehow done this different during install to get it to come out better? (Not looking forward to upgrading the main web and email server!) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 4 11:15:04 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" writes: > On 4 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > But after the upgrade, I see I have an "ipchains" rpm installed, but > > no iptables. And when I run /sbin/ipchains, it tells me it's not > > compatible with this kernel (7.1 is a 2.4 kernel, I was previously > > running a 2.2). Now, I see the iptables rpm, and I could install > > that, but what the heck kind of an "upgrade" process is this anyway? > > Sounds like you only upgraded the packages you had installed to the > versions in 7.1, or missed some important packages along the way. Your > ipchains problem is a 2.2 to 2.4 issue. ipchains was replaced with > netfilter in 2.4 (iptables.) ipchains and the older ipfwadm are still > available, but only as modules. So before using ipchains, you have to > modprobe ipchains. Add it to your firewall script (or ipchains init > script) and you should be set. Well, I didn't customize the list of packages to upgrade, so it's their fault :-). I suppose I won't get much sympathy here for getting scrod by RedHat. Yes, manually probing for ipchains works. Thanks! -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Jun 4 11:17:49 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil Mendelsohn writes: > On 3 Jun 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > I know why I wanted to get up to 2.2 (virtual ethernet ports). Why do > > I want to get up to 2.4? > > MD5 password encoding is a good reason. And here's the list from cisco, > which looks like pretty much passwords again, for practical purposes. Ah, that's a pretty good reason. So, can I get the file for a 675 somewhere? The URL posted is still distributing 2.2. And is somebody already using 2.4.2 with Qwest? I'm worried about getting ahead of them. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jun 4 11:32:43 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83A8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: Yaron speaketh: > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they were like $5 > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY large amounts > of failed burns on them? > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! John Miller added: > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. What speed are you burning at? I've got the PNY's at home and burned at 4x I have yet to burn a coaster. I haven't tried fitting 700 MB on yet, so I maybe it has problems I haven't encountered yet. The flaky reflective stuff is the reason I don't store anything important on them. I got what I paid for... a disposable CDR. They work great for burning linux ISOs and stuff for short term use. Generally I don't like to keep ISOs around for two long because I'd rather have a disc with the latest packages and patches so I don't have to dig after installing. The discs I really like (and I can't always find) are the paper-covered discs.. I feel MUCH safer storing stuff on them because the reflective stuff won't chip off, you have to intentionally peel the sticker off. -Brian From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 4 11:57:44 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010604104712.C21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > > centered around konqueror, which I feel to be the best browser > > Uhhh. ok. It cant do the CSS i spew, nor does it have full emcascript > support. :) Plus, mozilla .9 and beyond are getting pretty amazingly > fast. Plus, I dont have to load a huge amount of KDE libs for only one > application. Netscape 4.77 can't do the CSS you spew. Your choise of the word spew is definitly a good one. IF he's allready running KDE, all the KDE libs are loaded anyway, so konqueror won't take as long to initaly load, take up as much memory, etc. If you start konqueror alone it has to load all the libs and creates a bigger footprint. Anyway, in most cases Konqueror is a good browser. The support for Netscape plugins gives it a leg up on Mozilla, Opera, Galeon, etc. I've even got Java working at one point. KDE seems to be trying to out blinkify GNOME however. And didn't we learn something from Windows about centering desktop around the browser? Oh, it was actually a good idea? Imagine that... I've been running the mozilla nightly from 2001-05-23 for awile and have had minimum issues. I have yet to run into the annoying bugs that turned me off from Mozilla for so long. Looks like mozilla detected the Flash player, so at least some of the plugins that work in 4.77 work in Mozilla. I'll have to try out Real Player... The one thing that will always bug me about Mozilla is it doesn't look like GNOME. It doesn't follow the GTK themes, etc. (Ok, with the classic theme it uses the correct highlight color.) I don't know where I was going with this (oh wait, lunch! that's where I was going.) but yes, GNOME does lack a good intigrated browser. GNOME is fractured into more bits and pieces than KDE. And wether all this is good or bad will fall to the decision of the user who wants to tweak their work enviorment. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Robert P. Goldman [010604 09:21]: > > 2. Subjective impression of better UI. For example, at least at the > > most recent Gnome I tried, their help browser had no search feature! > > whatis: is what your looking for. Took me 3 seconds in the gnome help > to find that. > > > This seems totally goofy to me. gnorpm has a UI that I find almost > > totally inscrutable, etc., etc. > > rpm's blow :) Progeny has some nifty gnome-based utilities for managing > package sets, but for package-stuff-munging dselect still rules all. :) > > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." > Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. > Always a boom tomorrow." > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Jun 4 11:58:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280869@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I'm burning at 12x, and they're supposed to be 12x compatible. Just go to http://www.pny.com and complain to their tech support form. That's what I just did. Who knows if anyone will read it and actually care. I lowered the speed to 4x and anything over 600MB still turned into a coaster. The error I got was consistent with running out of space on the disc. The whole image would write, but fixation would fail. These discs don't even have any good identifying information on them, they come up as Unknown manufacturer in cdrecord. Sad, even my generic cheapies I bought about 4 years ago work better than these PNY ones. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:33 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > Yaron speaketh: > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they > were like $5 > > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY > large amounts > > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > John Miller added: > > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. > > What speed are you burning at? I've got the PNY's at home > and burned at > 4x I have yet to burn a coaster. I haven't tried fitting 700 > MB on yet, > so I maybe it has problems I haven't encountered yet. > > The flaky reflective stuff is the reason I don't store > anything important > on them. I got what I paid for... a disposable CDR. They > work great for > burning linux ISOs and stuff for short term use. Generally I > don't like > to keep ISOs around for two long because I'd rather have a > disc with the > latest packages and patches so I don't have to dig after > installing. The > discs I really like (and I can't always find) are the paper-covered > discs.. I feel MUCH safer storing stuff on them because the reflective > stuff won't chip off, you have to intentionally peel the sticker off. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jun 4 12:02:24 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? References: Message-ID: <3B1BBF20.3A19E8D8@talkware.net> They are going to replace a single MASQing firewall. All traffic was going through one firewall anyways. Now it will be 2 linux bridges with masq rules that will failover. We arent using those for public space. If the bridges cant see the mac addresses of the boxes on both sides of the bridge then they wont route any data across. Your absolutely right. It might be better to have a sleeping firewall that could be awakened with some linux heartbeat software. We are investigating our options at the present and this was one solutions presented. We were thinking spanning tree switches with spanning tree bridging firewalls. Right now we are just compiling a pro's and con's list for the different options. One of the con's is having to purchase different switches. But I need to know what kinda of switches to get for this configuration and there price. Ben Kochie wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > why in the world would you need both linux servers to have access to all > traffic on the network, that's a really _bad_ idea when it comes to > bandwidth, AND security. the whole point of having a switch is so that > traffic between hosts doesn't affect traffic between other servers and > hosts. if you need to do failover, the 2 linux servers should have an > active connection between them, which doesn't require that they monitor > traffic. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the network. However > > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all traffic, just > > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 > > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > > suggestions on switches that would have more than one monitoring port. > > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOxufuctpDhsSpvgtAQGRwAQAjsqvjJcMHoYsH4ElrXqPG5E9OCML8qsK > fonuM1taK5tQ7vzTbWyDE8FY1ePv3NmIWzUEn3TXlsjWNnhlbpEGa1/kqOKFLE0A > XPwZw17mgkLNN3xXauIvUzHriXyPO04okIfS9DlUZM2c39T+V8vOsNSdS8TQCfCW > Ia14Xe//qh4= > =a+7V > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jun 4 12:03:09 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? References: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> <20010604145333.56D2E183E9@skuld.wk> Message-ID: <3B1BBF4D.CD3995AD@talkware.net> We have some HP ProCurve 4000M's but they also do not allow more than one monitoring port. "Chad C. Walstrom" wrote: > In message <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net>, Jason Jorgensen writes: > > We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 switches to allow > > the bridges to work properly. So I would like some suggestions on > > switches that would have more than one monitoring port. Right now > > we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > Use the HP ProCurve 4000M switches. VERY nice. I wouldn't get > anything else. Very powerful. Very configurable. Hot swappable port > cards, including gigabit and fiber. Hot swappable power supplies. Expandable. > Managed. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From m_nassar at yahoo.com Sat Jun 2 20:56:38 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <200106030130.UAA22506@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010603015638.71752.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> actually, iposted this before you put that link, it just got delayed because i use Yahoo! Mail... -munir --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > If you didn't get the link to the DMT biased > whitepaper I posted which has > probably the best answers I've seen to your > question, it's > > http://support.aware.com/technology/whitepapers/dmt.html > > Cheers, > Phil M > > > On or about 1 Jun 2001, Munir Nassar is alleged to > have said: > > is one better or faster than the other? why would > they > > switch? what are the pros and cons of each? > > > > -munir > > --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > > > > > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is > CAP > > > and DMT and if my modem > > > > doesn't do those yet why should it? > > > > > > Your modem does one of the two. They are two of > the > > > encoding formats for > > > DSL. Think of AM/FM, or better the two > incompatible > > > formats that were > > > in use for 56K (still are?) a couple of years > ago. > > > > > > CAP is Carrierless Amplitude/Phase modulation, > and > > > DMT is discrete > > > multi-tone. It's the physical layer. If it > works, > > > don't worry about it > > > -- but you might look at which you're using. > > > > > > -- > > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." > > > --Anonymous > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ===== > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.12 > > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ > w(--) K? 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Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From m_nassar at yahoo.com Sun Jun 3 16:20:46 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKIGAMES further clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010603212046.2352.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> i dont know if anyone knows how to handle the mayment but we will work on it... -munir --- Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, I don't know how mayment will be handled yet. > Next Monday (June 11th) > I will send Loki the list of games we want, and see > if they accept it. > THEN we'll worry about payment. > > It is most likely that we'll want it in advance. > Everyone will pay one > person who'll pay Loki. Loki definetly don't want > multiple payments. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 4 12:14:44 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280869@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <017f01c0ed19$d99d64b0$3028680a@tgt.com> Althought the label would flake off of the PNY disk, I don't have any problems burning them. I do full 660MB disks at 8x and have not had one coaster yet. HP9100i. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > I'm burning at 12x, and they're supposed to be 12x compatible. Just go to > http://www.pny.com and complain to their tech support form. That's what I > just did. Who knows if anyone will read it and actually care. > > I lowered the speed to 4x and anything over 600MB still turned into a > coaster. The error I got was consistent with running out of space on the > disc. The whole image would write, but fixation would fail. These discs > don't even have any good identifying information on them, they come up as > Unknown manufacturer in cdrecord. Sad, even my generic cheapies I bought > about 4 years ago work better than these PNY ones. > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:33 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > > > > Yaron speaketh: > > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they > > were like $5 > > > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY > > large amounts > > > of failed burns on them? > > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > > > John Miller added: > > > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. > > > > What speed are you burning at? I've got the PNY's at home > > and burned at > > 4x I have yet to burn a coaster. I haven't tried fitting 700 > > MB on yet, > > so I maybe it has problems I haven't encountered yet. > > > > The flaky reflective stuff is the reason I don't store > > anything important > > on them. I got what I paid for... a disposable CDR. They > > work great for > > burning linux ISOs and stuff for short term use. Generally I > > don't like > > to keep ISOs around for two long because I'd rather have a > > disc with the > > latest packages and patches so I don't have to dig after > > installing. The > > discs I really like (and I can't always find) are the paper-covered > > discs.. I feel MUCH safer storing stuff on them because the reflective > > stuff won't chip off, you have to intentionally peel the sticker off. > > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Mon Jun 4 12:48:08 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? In-Reply-To: <3B1BBF20.3A19E8D8@talkware.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- i take it you're bridging more than just IP, because if you are only doing IP, you should not have to see any mac addresses. the switches should take care of sending out ARP requests. something sounds setup wrong, you should not need to see MAC address traffic for a system like that to work. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > They are going to replace a single MASQing firewall. All traffic was going > through one firewall anyways. Now it will be 2 linux bridges with masq rules > that will failover. We arent using those for public space. > > If the bridges cant see the mac addresses of the boxes on both sides of the > bridge then they wont route any data across. > > Your absolutely right. It might be better to have a sleeping firewall that > could be awakened with some linux heartbeat software. We are investigating > our options at the present and this was one solutions presented. We were > thinking spanning tree switches with spanning tree bridging firewalls. Right > now we are just compiling a pro's and con's list for the different options. > One of the con's is having to purchase different switches. But I need to know > what kinda of switches to get for this configuration and there price. > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > why in the world would you need both linux servers to have access to all > > traffic on the network, that's a really _bad_ idea when it comes to > > bandwidth, AND security. the whole point of having a switch is so that > > traffic between hosts doesn't affect traffic between other servers and > > hosts. if you need to do failover, the 2 linux servers should have an > > active connection between them, which doesn't require that they monitor > > traffic. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > > > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > > > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the network. However > > > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > > > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all traffic, just > > > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 > > > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > > > suggestions on switches that would have more than one monitoring port. > > > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: 2.6.3ia > > Charset: noconv > > > > iQCVAwUBOxufuctpDhsSpvgtAQGRwAQAjsqvjJcMHoYsH4ElrXqPG5E9OCML8qsK > > fonuM1taK5tQ7vzTbWyDE8FY1ePv3NmIWzUEn3TXlsjWNnhlbpEGa1/kqOKFLE0A > > XPwZw17mgkLNN3xXauIvUzHriXyPO04okIfS9DlUZM2c39T+V8vOsNSdS8TQCfCW > > Ia14Xe//qh4= > > =a+7V > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxvJ2ctpDhsSpvgtAQF1vgP7BCmDVITRWUQD2fy3J22SNJtXYQzgG1EF PgQHkBM8EPhLacKhYYwKIjhi0iZ32Vx/kL3Ryc5bxmyixIRsYPEK//ikt/NuC0yg JiMvk2BPfAQi6yNI7CJetpoCrsTOvnuzqm68fcDzhyyFtcIpzj2RIqR+Cgrp8dq9 qtQ1QGRZ7RE= =7aEW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Jun 4 12:54:13 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010604104712.C21402@ringworld.org> References: <15131.39229.876278.979170@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20010604104712.C21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <15131.52037.133577.840459@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "SD" == Scott Dier writes: SD> * Robert P. Goldman [010604 SD> 09:21]: >> 2. Subjective impression of better UI. For example, at least >> at the most recent Gnome I tried, their help browser had no >> search feature! SD> whatis: is what your looking for. Took me 3 seconds in the SD> gnome help to find that. No, I mean the browser had no way to find a string IN the page. For example, I wanna find out what the -a option is used for.... As for the other things, seems like your wants from a UI and mine are diff enough that our likes are going to be incomparable. I mostly use the command line, I just want the taskbar to work and to have a good browser. I have a fast machine, so I'm willing to pay the KDE overhead, instead of just using sawfish or something. I've seen mozilla 0.9 and I still think konqueror is wildly better. But I hate j(e)a(c)v(m)a(a)script anyway, and I like the better security control that konqueror gives me. Mozilla feels like open source Internet Explorer to me. Too many things integrated (like email), too many features that are too hard to turn off, etc. r From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jun 4 13:22:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010604132232.D21402@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [010604 09:49]: > bandwidth, AND security. the whole point of having a switch is so that *cough*loadofshit*cough* Cisco switches do this, AFAIK. The 'correct' way to do this is implement HSRP into linux a linux daemon. :) Then you could even be interoperable with other solutions. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Myth's debian packages have them all seperate, it works fine like that. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010604/60c117b8/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 14:09:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnupg private key synchronization? Message-ID: <20010604140944.M28665@real-time.com> Ok, this is getting fustrating. Anyone advise on how to keep your private key ring synchronized between machines? I got a desktop at the office, 2 desktops at home and a laptop. I have multiple identities :-P, so I need to keep the private keys in sync. Ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 15:01:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Preferred gpg keyserver? Message-ID: <20010604150109.A11994@real-time.com> What is the preferred gnupg key server these days? I was using keyserver.net, but that gives me a connection refused. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Jun 4 15:08:14 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: <20010604132811.E21402@ringworld.org> References: <15131.52037.133577.840459@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20010604132811.E21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <15131.60078.521942.916211@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "SD" == Scott Dier writes: >> security control that konqueror gives me. SD> Like what? Let's me turn on/off java and j(e)a(c)v(m)a(a)script on a site-by-site basis. Also controls cookies more nicely, in my opinion, although Mozilla may be catching up. R From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jun 4 16:33:55 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <008401c0ed01$d282edc0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B1BFE8D.298DE2B6@eetc.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I use about 200 disks a year. It is a pain in the but to label them all. I > just write on the disk and go. Much of it is large works in progress > (snapshots if you will) and FreeBSD snapshot binary disks as well as various > Linux distributions. We go through about 200 CD's in a slow month. :-) We get the high quality ones. Completely opaque back. More durable than a sticker and can't be pealed of at all. You have to chip this stuff off and can't do that without destroying the CD. Very nice. They cost $1.20 a piece. :-( Considered well worth the price for what there used for. Have never, ever had a bad disk. The writable side also has a very nice blue color to it. Come with the cases in a seperate box and the CD's on spindles of 50. I love working with high quality equipment. No messing around with crap. I like my job. :-) sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jun 4 16:47:45 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? References: Message-ID: <3B1C01C9.4C9CFAA6@eetc.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Well, I didn't customize the list of packages to upgrade, so it's > their fault :-). I suppose I won't get much sympathy here for getting > scrod by RedHat. > > Yes, manually probing for ipchains works. Thanks! Sorry, that's what I meant. Wasn't completely clear on that. I did a full install because there wasn't anything I wanted to keep on the old install and I had messed some things up. :-) sim From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 16:56:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <3B1BFE8D.298DE2B6@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Very nice. > They cost $1.20 a piece. :-( I don't mind paying $1.20 ea (much.) You know what they cost when I started using them? $23.00 ea! In quantity! You don't know how good you have it! :) > I love working with high quality equipment. No messing around with crap. I agree and it's nice when you can afford it. I miss my pair of Sony CDW-900e burners. They were worth the $7000 each; the world will never see as good a CD-R burner again. (Not complaining, I still got $2k each for them when I sold them to dts (the surround sound co.) after several years of use!) Now I'd settle for one of the good Yamahammer burners, if I hadn't sunk all my free dough into an SGI Indy that has a CD-ROM utility that supports the 900e that I sold to have free dough. Doh! :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Mon Jun 4 16:42:18 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO References: <200106041702.f54H2HK14942@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B1C00BA.E476E311@steinerpoint.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > So, can I get the file for a 675 somewhere? The URL posted is still > distributing 2.2. And is somebody already using 2.4.2 with Qwest? > I'm worried about getting ahead of them. 2.4.1 is at http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/csco675ups.html I got this link from visi.com, my ISP. I was not able to find 2.4.2 in a quick search at Qwest. -- Al From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 17:17:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <3B1C00BA.E476E311@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > So, can I get the file for a 675 somewhere? The URL posted is still > > distributing 2.2. And is somebody already using 2.4.2 with Qwest? > > I'm worried about getting ahead of them. > > 2.4.1 is at > > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/csco675ups.html > > I got this link from visi.com, my ISP. I was not able to find 2.4.2 in a > quick search at Qwest. 2.4.1 is what my 678 shipped with. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Jun 4 17:43:22 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Awk Question Message-ID: <3B1C0F0A.90990E5C@uswest.net> Greet the sun all: Within Unix, what does one use to quickly scan text files for a particular pattern? I need to scan a large amount of *.HTML files for a pattern. I though about Awk, is there a good Awk site with examples somebody could recommend. I asked Google but there is more garbarge that useful links. I know somebody will recommend Perl but I haven't used Perl in five years and I am just looking for something along the lines of "text-finder-pgm -R (for recursion) 'cgi-bin' *.html" Thank you, -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com t_perlExists = false; From jcoyne at software.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 17:53:06 2001 From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Awk Question In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F0A.90990E5C@uswest.net> Message-ID: find . -type f |xargs grep "find this text" Justin Coyne "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greet the sun all: > > Within Unix, what does one use to quickly scan text files for a > particular pattern? I need to scan a large amount of *.HTML files for a > pattern. I though about Awk, is there a good Awk site with examples > somebody could recommend. I asked Google but there is more garbarge that > useful links. I know somebody will recommend Perl but I haven't used > Perl in five years and I am just looking for something along the lines > of "text-finder-pgm -R (for recursion) 'cgi-bin' *.html" > > Thank you, > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > t_perlExists = false; > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 17:56:01 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Awk Question Message-ID: <010604175601.20204305@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi fgrep -r cgi-bin *.html Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 17:56:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Preferred gpg keyserver? In-Reply-To: <20010604150109.A11994@real-time.com> References: <20010604150109.A11994@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010604175625.7ce39f95.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > What is the preferred gnupg key server these days? > > I was using keyserver.net, but that gives me a connection refused. my ~/.gnupg/options file says to use `host -l pgp.net | grep www' to pick one. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's another word for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ 'thesaurus?' \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 18:04:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Preferred gpg keyserver? In-Reply-To: <20010604175625.7ce39f95.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 05:56:25PM -0500 References: <20010604150109.A11994@real-time.com> <20010604175625.7ce39f95.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010604180405.O11994@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > What is the preferred gnupg key server these days? > > > > I was using keyserver.net, but that gives me a connection refused. > > my ~/.gnupg/options file says to use `host -l pgp.net | grep www' to pick > one. > yeah, nothing shows up with that command. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 18:49:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Preferred gpg keyserver? In-Reply-To: <20010604180405.O11994@real-time.com> References: <20010604150109.A11994@real-time.com> <20010604175625.7ce39f95.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010604180405.O11994@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010604184911.1b9e9aa7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > > > my ~/.gnupg/options file says to use `host -l pgp.net | grep www' to > > pick one. > > > > yeah, nothing shows up with that command. Hmm.. you're right. `host' doesn't seem to like I/O redirection. Oh well, just run `host -l' and pick one by sight or something. I have wwwkeys.us.pgp.net as my keyserver. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Friends are Friends, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ regardless of their baud \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) rate! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 19:44:42 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Useful/Necessary Java projects? In-Reply-To: <200106041329.f54DT2K07369@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > I have started a project on sourceforge turning all the useful/necessary > java projects into rpms. > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/rte > > For you java developers are there, what java projects/packages am I > missing? I like these two: jakarta-struts jRelationalFramework , requires jakarta-log4j Joel --- Member of the GNU/X/Apache/Perl/Samba/OpenSSH/Linux generation. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 4 20:35:57 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Refresh Rates yet again... Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I'm trying to get X going on this laptop, using the CRT, not the internal LCD. I've got debian unstable/testing/sid/whatever, with all the latest packages. The damn thing keeps using a refresh rate of 60Hz despite me telling it that the monitor can do much, much more. In fact, X claims to be using the 85Hz refresh rate, but it's not! I know it's not the video adapter, since someone else has the exact same model, and is running Slackware on it, and THAT one gets 85Hz. I copiedhis config file over and I _still_ get 60. Anyone have a clue to lend me? -Yaron -- From fertch at mninter.net Mon Jun 4 21:14:15 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) References: Message-ID: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net> "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Xnest --help > You need to tell it to use a display number other than 0, which is your > Xserver. > > Xnext -geometry 800x600 -query sunbox :1 > > should do it. Okay, so I do this and I get the following error message: fjorn@bleys:~$ Xnest -geometry 800x600 -query marbles :2 _XSERVTransSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for local failed to set default font path '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' I can't find anything on the help section, am I to assume that it's because I don't have all the font packages installed? Shawn From mend0070 at umn.edu Mon Jun 4 21:31:56 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) Message-ID: <200106050231.VAA18314@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 4 Jun 2001, Shawn is alleged to have said: > Okay, so I do this and I get the following error message: > > > fjorn@bleys:~$ Xnest -geometry 800x600 -query marbles :2 > _XSERVTransSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener > _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed > _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for > local > failed to set default font path > '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6 /l > ib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/font s/1 > 00dpi/' > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > > I can't find anything on the help section, am I to assume that it's > because I don't have all the font packages installed? Are the listed directories there and full of fonts? If so, you might need to do xset fp+ (dir) followed by xset fp rehash. If not, then install them. If you are on the same network, my favorite trick is just to NFS mount those directories from the other machine. :) From jspinti at mn.rr.com Mon Jun 4 22:47:04 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <3B1BFE8D.298DE2B6@eetc.com> References: <008401c0ed01$d282edc0$3028680a@tgt.com> <3B1BFE8D.298DE2B6@eetc.com> Message-ID: <01060422470400.01452@pii400> Those sound like the Black Diamond ones. Only difference is that the writable side isn't blue, it is black also with 1/4 of it silver to write on. And the don't come with cases, just on a spindle. But, you can't chip off the writing side. James On Monday 04 June 2001 16:33, you wrote: > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > I use about 200 disks a year. It is a pain in the but to label them all. > > I just write on the disk and go. Much of it is large works in progress > > (snapshots if you will) and FreeBSD snapshot binary disks as well as > > various Linux distributions. > > We go through about 200 CD's in a slow month. :-) > We get the high quality ones. Completely opaque back. > More durable than a sticker and can't be pealed of at all. You have to > chip this stuff off and can't do that without destroying the CD. > Very nice. > They cost $1.20 a piece. :-( > Considered well worth the price for what there used for. Have never, ever > had a bad disk. > The writable side also has a very nice blue color to it. Come with the > cases in a seperate box and the CD's on spindles of 50. > I love working with high quality equipment. No messing around with crap. > I like my job. :-) > > sim > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From mend0070 at umn.edu Mon Jun 4 22:56:53 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday Message-ID: <200106050356.WAA19415@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 3 Jun 2001, Mike Hicks is alleged to have said: > Okay, so my last media alert didn't really work out. I saw a short 20 > second blip of coverage of Mech Wars on Ch. 9, but nothing on WCCO (even > though they had a reporter there the whole time). Maybe something will > show up tonight. > > Anyway, this one is a little more likely: Linus Torvalds is expected to > be on National Public Radio's Fresh Air program tomorrow. I guess it's > broadcast from 8-9 PM here in Minnesota. So did anyone else catch this? It was fun, but I thought Linus came off a little flat sometimes, esp. when describing what Linux (or any OS) does. Actually, his European reserve had the side effect of making NPR seem more like "48 Hours" or one of the slightly more sensational news shows, since they kept asking questions about money, even when he said that it was never *about* money. --Begin signature-- X ---End signature--- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 4 23:06:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPG-enabled Sylpheed [S]RPMs Message-ID: <20010604230646.237ff880.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Since I haven't seen an official GnuPG 1.0.6 RPM from RedHat yet, and because I wanted to get Sylpheed to use GPG, I put together a few RPMs and SRPMs. You're welcome to steal them from here: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/packages/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Oops. My brain just hit a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bad sector. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010604/7fe332a2/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jun 4 23:12:12 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: <200106050356.WAA19415@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > So did anyone else catch this? It was fun, but I thought Linus came off a > little flat sometimes, esp. when describing what Linux (or any OS) does. > > Actually, his European reserve had the side effect of making NPR seem more > like "48 Hours" or one of the slightly more sensational news shows, since > they kept asking questions about money, even when he said that it was never > *about* money. I heard part of it, didn't have time to listen to the whole thing tho. He came across as "a geek who knows his stuff", so he's not going to sound all that exciting in an interview about linux. Still, some GREAT press for linux after all the FUD of last week. I like how the interviewer stated that "linux is designed as a replacement for the Windows operating system". Even though that's not totally true, it does add a nice touch after what MS has been saying in the last few weeks and months. Also, as Phil said, he made it clear that linux wasn't about money, and not about taking out Microsoft. I think that's a major point to be making when Microsoft is obviously scared sh*tless about an OS that was never designed to be this widely accepted. Real good stuff :-) -Brian From andy at theasis.com Mon Jun 4 18:36:05 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: <200106050356.WAA19415@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > be on National Public Radio's Fresh Air program tomorrow. I guess it's > > broadcast from 8-9 PM here in Minnesota. > > So did anyone else catch this? It was fun, but I thought Linus came off a > little flat sometimes, esp. when describing what Linux (or any OS) does. I caught it on my way up from the airport after returning from Japan. Interestingly, Linus was in Tokyo at about the same time I was, according to a local (English) paper there, to promote the Japanese translation of the book. I was a little disappointed with Terry Gross's questions; she was clearly out of her element. If you want a comparison you should hear her interviews with musicians, which are usually fabulous. She didn't really know how to identify with Linux, except in terms of the $ and the GPL. Linus coulda definitely been less flat. He showed the typical (but not every!) geek's difficulty in identifying just how little people understand about the whole topic, and so IMO didn't make the best of a few opportunities (during the conversation) for some really nice illustrations. But then, I've heard RMS (and others) make the same mistake. That's what I found wrong with it. Doesn't mean I think it was a bad program, or a bad Linus interview -- overall a positive thing that it was a topic. The point he made most well was how the GPL development environment directs a very different, evolutionary process for "production". So who's read Linus' book? Andy From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Jun 5 00:04:45 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I was a little disappointed with Terry Gross's questions; she was clearly > out of her element. If you want a comparison you should hear her > interviews with musicians, which are usually fabulous. She didn't really > know how to identify with Linux, except in terms of the $ and the GPL. > Yeah I definitely agree that Terry was having a hard time with the questions. Linus seemed like he was doing his best to not drown her in geekiness, but still answer the questions, hence the "flatness". The VA Linux IPO question was bad...she (admitted) that she didn't really know what VA Linux actually does, that was a bit frustrating. > That's what I found wrong with it. Doesn't mean I think it was a bad > program, or a bad Linus interview -- overall a positive thing that it was > a topic. The point he made most well was how the GPL development > environment directs a very different, evolutionary process for > "production". > I agree here. I thought another good point was how Linux changed HP and IBM's business approach. I think that was important for non-techies to hear. > So who's read Linus' book? > > At this point, to give Terry Gross some credit, because she usually does awesome interviews, perhaps the "money" questions were related to things brought up in his "memoir". I mean, thats really why he's on the radio, right? To promote his book, not to just talk linux. I mean, he needs to pay for his (expenseive) house after all those shares bombed. ;) ~j From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 5 00:25:42 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 6.2 to 7.1 upgrade -- ipchains to iptables maybe? References: <3B1B9034.FE811AD7@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B1C6D56.F4887B57@haxxed.com> > firewalling stuff completely. I'm generally unimpressed with package > upgrades using RPM because it almost always sets aside my > carefully-constructed config file and puts in a default one that's > useless. And doesn't specifically warn me in the cases where the > format or required contents changed thoroughly so I have to recreate > my configuration from scratch. Thats what "find / -name \*.rpmsave -type f" after you upgrade is for. ;P From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 5 00:27:56 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <991670857.3b1bb249ccc36@dragon> Message-ID: <3B1C6DDB.F71F2865@haxxed.com> > > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are > > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely disappointed with > > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. Are you sure they're really 700mb disks? Do other brands of 700mb disks work? I wouldn't put it beyond an ultra cheap brand like them to lie. ;P That or your burner just doesn't like high capacity media. From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 5 00:28:47 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? References: <3B1B9D1B.9F1A2DCE@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3B1C6E0F.9F75A742@haxxed.com> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the network. However > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all traffic, just > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on each of our 2 > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > suggestions on switches that would have more than one monitoring port. > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. Why not hook up a hub to the monitoring port? From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 5 00:35:37 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about backing up through samba References: <3B180B76.3090001@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3B1C6FA9.F3791320@haxxed.com> ScanMan wrote: > > Are you sure unix even supports the archive bit? Unix does a last modified timestamp, rather than just a bit. VFAT also does mtime making the archive bit unnecessary... From mend0070 at umn.edu Tue Jun 5 01:33:35 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday Message-ID: <200106050633.BAA20542@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 4 Jun 2001, andy@theasis.com is alleged to have said: > I caught it on my way up from the airport after returning from Japan. > Interestingly, Linus was in Tokyo at about the same time I was, according > to a local (English) paper there, to promote the Japanese translation of > the book. Welcome back. Hope you set your circadian clock to UTC rather than local time to avoid jet lag! How was the land of the Rising Sun? From jack at jacku.com Tue Jun 5 06:43:33 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01060506433300.01314@geezer> I've been listening to Fresh Air on and off for over 15 years. (I used to live/work in south NJ and WHYY was our local NPR station.) I've heard Terry Gross interview scientists and other "geeky" types with little difference from her other interviews. Not having read Linus' book I'll guess that her questions were derived from what was talked about in the book. Like a lot of people (especially in the US) she probably has trouble wrapping her brain around doing something as substantial as Linux but not for the money. I liked the points about IBM. These are the ideas that will help Linux move into more corporations, which in turn will move it on to more desktops at home. My .02 Jack On Tuesday 05 June 2001 00:04, you wrote: > > I was a little disappointed with Terry Gross's questions; she was clearly > > out of her element. If you want a comparison you should hear her > > interviews with musicians, which are usually fabulous. She didn't really > > know how to identify with Linux, except in terms of the $ and the GPL. > > Yeah I definitely agree that Terry was having a hard time with the > questions. Linus seemed like he was doing his best to not drown her in > geekiness, but still answer the questions, hence the "flatness". The VA > Linux IPO question was bad...she (admitted) that she didn't really know > what VA Linux actually does, that was a bit frustrating. > > > That's what I found wrong with it. Doesn't mean I think it was a bad > > program, or a bad Linus interview -- overall a positive thing that it was > > a topic. The point he made most well was how the GPL development > > environment directs a very different, evolutionary process for > > "production". > > I agree here. I thought another good point was how Linux changed HP and > IBM's business approach. I think that was important for non-techies to > hear. > > > So who's read Linus' book? > > At this point, to give Terry Gross some credit, because she usually does > awesome interviews, perhaps the "money" questions were related to things > brought up in his "memoir". I mean, thats really why he's on the radio, > right? To promote his book, not to just talk linux. I mean, he needs to pay > for his (expenseive) house after all those shares bombed. ;) > > ~j > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 07:43:41 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Useful/Necessary Java projects? In-Reply-To: <20010604041121.O18947@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:11:21AM -0500 References: <20010604041121.O18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010605074341.A49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:11:21AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have started a project on sourceforge turning all the useful/necessary java > projects into rpms. > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/rte > > For you java developers are there, what java projects/packages am I missing? I noticed you don't have any thing that is directly acquirable from Sun (jdks, swing, webstart, etc). Does Sun not allow redistribution of their java stuff? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, SGI Origin Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ya lousy bum!" - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 07:51:38 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) In-Reply-To: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 09:14:15PM -0500 References: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010605075138.B49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Okay, so I do this and I get the following error message: > > > fjorn@bleys:~$ Xnest -geometry 800x600 -query marbles :2 > _XSERVTransSocketCreateListener: failed to bind listener > _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed > _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for > local > failed to set default font path > '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/' > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > > I can't find anything on the help section, am I to assume that it's > because I don't have all the font packages installed? > Well, X doesn't use the fonts on the remote machine, it uses the fonts on your local machine (even when you're Xquerying). So, you'll need to figure out what fints it needs and copy them into the fontpath of your local machine. One other solution would be to query the sun box from another sun box, but I'm guessing that's not an option :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, SGI Origin Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ya lousy bum!" - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 08:12:20 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: <200106050356.WAA19415@www7.mail.umn.edu>; from mend0070@umn.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 10:56:53PM -0500 References: <200106050356.WAA19415@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010605081219.A14553@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 10:56:53PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On or about 3 Jun 2001, Mike Hicks is alleged to have said: > > Anyway, this one is a little more likely: Linus Torvalds is expected to > > be on National Public Radio's Fresh Air program tomorrow. I guess it's > > broadcast from 8-9 PM here in Minnesota. > > So did anyone else catch this? It was fun, but I thought Linus came off a > little flat sometimes, esp. when describing what Linux (or any OS) does. > > Actually, his European reserve had the side effect of making NPR seem more > like "48 Hours" or one of the slightly more sensational news shows, since > they kept asking questions about money, even when he said that it was never > *about* money. Real audio of the interview is available at http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010604.fa.ram . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jun 5 08:13:38 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <991670857.3b1bb249ccc36@dragon> <3B1C6DDB.F71F2865@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <005601c0edc1$55a1c4f0$3028680a@tgt.com> If you can't burn past 600MB, it sounds like a burner problem, not a media problem (I have used these same media to full capacity without incident on my HP9100i). It sounds like your laser is having problems at the out edge and or the server does not like to slow down enough to record at the outer edge. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are > > > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely disappointed with > > > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > > Are you sure they're really 700mb disks? Do other brands of 700mb disks > work? I wouldn't put it beyond an ultra cheap brand like them to lie. ;P > > That or your burner just doesn't like high capacity media. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jun 5 08:23:35 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280862@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <991670857.3b1bb249ccc36@dragon> <3B1C6DDB.F71F2865@haxxed.com> <005601c0edc1$55a1c4f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <009301c0edc2$b97254d0$3028680a@tgt.com> I meant to say the "servo" does not like to slow ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > If you can't burn past 600MB, it sounds like a burner problem, not a media > problem (I have used these same media to full capacity without incident on > my HP9100i). It sounds like your laser is having problems at the out edge > and or the server does not like to slow down enough to record at the outer > edge. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Callum Lerwick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They suck. They are > > > > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely > disappointed with > > > > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > > > > Are you sure they're really 700mb disks? Do other brands of 700mb disks > > work? I wouldn't put it beyond an ultra cheap brand like them to lie. ;P > > > > That or your burner just doesn't like high capacity media. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sbernsen at innoveda.com Tue Jun 5 10:22:52 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rhosts from Sun to Linux Message-ID: <3B1CF94C.30FEFE22@innoveda.com> Hello! My local workstation is a SunOS 5.7 machine, but I regularly work on Linux (mostly RH6.2) and HP-UX (both 10.2 and 11) machines, which I rlogin to. Amongst the Solaris and HP-UX machines I have no problems setting up my .rhosts files to allow access. However, from the non-Linux machines to the Linux machines I am always prompted for a password. Any thoughts? At the moment I've completely openned up my .rhosts file (with the "+"), to no avail. Thanks, Seth -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 5 10:35:16 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rhosts from Sun to Linux In-Reply-To: <3B1CF94C.30FEFE22@innoveda.com>; from sbernsen@innoveda.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:22:52AM -0500 References: <3B1CF94C.30FEFE22@innoveda.com> Message-ID: <20010605103516.A16380@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:22:52AM -0500, Seth Bernsen wrote: > >Any thoughts? At the moment I've completely openned up my .rhosts file >(with the "+"), to no avail. the R services are notoriously insecure. They are throwbacks from the darkages of network computing. Get rid of them. Use ssh or kerberized remote access services. > >Thanks, >Seth > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010605/12e89772/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 5 10:42:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280870@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The Memorex and Imation 700MB discs work just fine in my burner. The PNY ones are the only ones I have trouble with, and they say "700MB" on each and every one of them. The burn actually finishes, but I get an error when it fixates the disc. Some kind of end of media error. In both my acer 12x under linux, and my sony 4x under winXP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > If you can't burn past 600MB, it sounds like a burner > problem, not a media > problem (I have used these same media to full capacity > without incident on > my HP9100i). It sounds like your laser is having problems at > the out edge > and or the server does not like to slow down enough to record > at the outer > edge. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Callum Lerwick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They > suck. They are > > > > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely > disappointed with > > > > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > > > > Are you sure they're really 700mb disks? Do other brands of > 700mb disks > > work? I wouldn't put it beyond an ultra cheap brand like > them to lie. ;P > > > > That or your burner just doesn't like high capacity media. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jun 5 10:48:40 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) References: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net> <20010605075138.B49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B1CFF58.CE85EF23@mninter.net> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Well, X doesn't use the fonts on the remote machine, it uses the fonts on > your local machine (even when you're Xquerying). So, you'll need to figure > out what fints it needs and copy them into the fontpath of your > local machine. One other solution would be to query the sun box from > another sun box, but I'm guessing that's not an option :) > > Gabe Okay, installed all the fonts (note to self: Besure to install ALL fonts from now on...) and it works like a charm. So, now is there a limit to the number of virtual terminals I can use? Meaning the :0 can be unlimited in range, not just stuck to 0-9 or so? As to having a Sun box on the desk, would be nice, but won't happen.... Thanks for the help. Shawn From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 10:55:20 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) In-Reply-To: <3B1CFF58.CE85EF23@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:48:40AM -0500 References: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net> <20010605075138.B49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3B1CFF58.CE85EF23@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010605105520.A49738@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Okay, installed all the fonts (note to self: Besure to install ALL > fonts from now on...) and it works like a charm. So, now is there a > limit to the number of virtual terminals I can use? Meaning the :0 can > be unlimited in range, not just stuck to 0-9 or so? Well, there's no limit as far as the number is concerned, but eventually you'll eventually consume so many of the sun box's resources as to make it unusable. How many do you need to open to it? Unless you've got a pretty beefy Sun (like an Ultra 60 or 80), I'd try to limit yourself to 10. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, SGI Origin Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 5 11:07:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280871@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Then you have another single point of failure. > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:29 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > We are trying to setup a couple of linux boxes to act as a bridge so > > that we have some redundancy if one box fails. To do this the linux > > boxes need to "see" each other and all traffic on the > network. However > > we are using switches for security and the switches only have > > capabilities for one monitoring port (a port that sees all > traffic, just > > like a hub would do). We would need 2 monitoring ports on > each of our 2 > > switches to allow the bridges to work properly. So I would like some > > suggestions on switches that would have more than one > monitoring port. > > Right now we are using HP ProCurve 2424's. > > Why not hook up a hub to the monitoring port? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jun 5 11:08:45 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280870@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <014101c0edd9$cc7fd630$3028680a@tgt.com> My old burner died that way. It wouldn't fixate disks. It started with a couple and then, soon, it wouldn't fixate ANY disk. I hope this is not the case for you, but it happened to me that way. Perhaps you might try cleaning the drive with compressed air. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > The Memorex and Imation 700MB discs work just fine in my burner. The PNY > ones are the only ones I have trouble with, and they say "700MB" on each and > every one of them. > > The burn actually finishes, but I get an error when it fixates the disc. > Some kind of end of media error. In both my acer 12x under linux, and my > sony 4x under winXP. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:14 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > > If you can't burn past 600MB, it sounds like a burner > > problem, not a media > > problem (I have used these same media to full capacity > > without incident on > > my HP9100i). It sounds like your laser is having problems at > > the out edge > > and or the server does not like to slow down enough to record > > at the outer > > edge. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Callum Lerwick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > > > > > > > > > I bought a spindle of 100 for $20 at best buy. They > > suck. They are > > > > > 700MB discs, but anything over 600MB fails. I'm extremely > > disappointed with > > > > > them, and I'm going to complain to PNY. > > > > > > Are you sure they're really 700mb disks? Do other brands of > > 700mb disks > > > work? I wouldn't put it beyond an ultra cheap brand like > > them to lie. ;P > > > > > > That or your burner just doesn't like high capacity media. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jun 5 11:20:03 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsessions to Sun boxes (getting back to this) References: <3B1C4077.56A01BD0@mninter.net> <20010605075138.B49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3B1CFF58.CE85EF23@mninter.net> <20010605105520.A49738@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B1D06B3.B378E442@mninter.net> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Well, there's no limit as far as the number is concerned, but eventually > you'll eventually consume so many of the sun box's resources as to make it > unusable. How many do you need to open to it? Unless you've got a pretty > beefy Sun (like an Ultra 60 or 80), I'd try to limit yourself to 10. > > Gabe Well, I'm only looking at one window open to a box at a time. But, here's what I'm looking at was setting up icons for a majority of the sun/dec-alpha boxes that I administer. Of course, only having them open when needed, as the box I'm doing this on is my laptop (P2-266) so I don't want a lot of things running unless it's absolutely necessary. The Sun boxes are anywhere from E250's and E450's on up, with a couple of smaller ones thrown in here and there. Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 5 11:38:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280872@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > My old burner died that way. It wouldn't fixate disks. It > started with a > couple and then, soon, it wouldn't fixate ANY disk. I hope > this is not the > case for you, but it happened to me that way. Perhaps you might try > cleaning the drive with compressed air. Doh, it's a brand new drive. I hope it's not going bad. My sony does it too though, so I'm pretty sure it's the media. > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 5 11:46:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280872@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Doh, it's a brand new drive. I hope it's not going bad. My sony does it > too though, so I'm pretty sure it's the media. Everyone lay off Jay! The same CDs do the same thing in my drive, two drives at work and you'll note many other people on the LUG said they get a 50/50 success rate with them. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 5 11:55:25 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: [TCLUG] Useful/Necessary Java projects? In-Reply-To: <20010605074341.A49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:43:41AM -0500 References: <20010604041121.O18947@real-time.com> <20010605074341.A49524@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010605115525.D32656@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > I noticed you don't have any thing that is directly acquirable from Sun > (jdks, swing, webstart, etc). Does Sun not allow redistribution of their > java stuff? Sun has a binary license only thing, so that is why there is nothing there except the .spec file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jun 5 12:09:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches with multiple monitoring ports? In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280871@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010605120941.N21402@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010605 11:10]: > Then you have another single point of failure. With a *much higer* MTBF than a PC, mind you. *smack* -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=645750 Interesting article about the legal complexities of global ecommerce. Apparently 50 nations are meeting in 2 weeks to dicuss it. ~j From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jun 5 12:30:38 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? Message-ID: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after hearing about it...). I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I want to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need more memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) is there any way to install Slackware via FTP? the only install methods I see are floppy, CD, and NFS. also, should I grab the latest slackware-current stuff; or is 7.1 good enough for the moment? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jun 5 13:05:02 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: Message-ID: <016f01c0edea$0b7e4a50$3028680a@tgt.com> Sooree. I have had a 100% success rate with the PNY disks. But the backing flakes off, which is NO good, and thus I won't buy them again. I was just suggesting that the disks themselves seem to work alright. I had purchased the 100 count 700MB spindle at Best Buy. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? > Hi, > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Doh, it's a brand new drive. I hope it's not going bad. My sony does it > > too though, so I'm pretty sure it's the media. > > Everyone lay off Jay! The same CDs do the same thing in my drive, two > drives at work and you'll note many other people on the LUG said they get > a 50/50 success rate with them. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jun 5 13:08:21 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> Message-ID: <017801c0edea$81e9b080$3028680a@tgt.com> Slackware 7.1 has a bunch of security problems (buffer overflow exploits) that you should beware of. Slackware is a hard distribution to remain current (security-wise) with, unless you recompile the relavent packages yourself (which I like to do). Their packaging system is primitive and may blow things away without warning. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after hearing > about it...). > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I want > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need more > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > > is there any way to install Slackware via FTP? the only install methods I > see are floppy, CD, and NFS. > > also, should I grab the latest slackware-current stuff; or is 7.1 good > enough for the moment? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 13:14:32 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> Message-ID: 7.1 is good enough (or I haven't been compelled to upgrade past it). the -current branch is ok to work with, just consider that with slackware there is no easy upgrade path so maybe it is less optimal to be in a between state. Of course, the first thing I do on installing slack is upgrade all sorts of stuff like binutils, other kernel related stuff. As for ftp... it's not in the gold distro. Perhaps someone has hacked the installer to do that but you'd have to get it separately. Of course, Debian has felt slackish to me and has the uber-nifty apt utility. Disclosure requires me to say that I've since switched back to slack 7.1 and openbsd (which has a nice distro upgrade tool). Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after hearing > about it...). > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I want > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need more > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > > is there any way to install Slackware via FTP? the only install methods I > see are floppy, CD, and NFS. > > also, should I grab the latest slackware-current stuff; or is 7.1 good > enough for the moment? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joel at luths.net Tue Jun 5 13:48:41 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> Message-ID: <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after > hearing > about it...). > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I > want > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need > more > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > Seems to me I used to run RH5.something on a 386, 8-16MB RAM (don't recall), 500 MB HD. Was running all sorts of stuff, Apache, NFS, Samba, etc and as a firewall. Tried 4 MB RAM but no-go. Probably could have made it work at 4MB but back then I didn't know about turning down the minimum # servers for Apache (I think httpd's were chewing up all the mem so swap was thrashing). It's amazing what you can do if you forego a GUI. A 12MB 486 should be fine for experimentation. From mike at fruitioninc.com Tue Jun 5 15:58:16 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> Message-ID: <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> I ran slackware on a P60 with 8MB RAM and a 420MB HD. It ran fine as long as I didn't run X. With X it swapped like crazy when switching between apps. I upgraded to 24MB RAM it and ran X great - including Emacs, as any decent box should. I was running fvwm for a window manager - no gnome of kde in those days. It was also a 1.X kernel. Mike Bresnahan happy as noodlebutter to have a nibblet to add to the list ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? > Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > > > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after > > hearing > > about it...). > > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I > > want > > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need > > more > > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > > > > Seems to me I used to run RH5.something on a 386, 8-16MB RAM (don't recall), > 500 MB HD. Was running all sorts of stuff, Apache, NFS, Samba, etc and as a > firewall. Tried 4 MB RAM but no-go. Probably could have made it work at 4MB but > back then I didn't know about turning down the minimum # servers for Apache (I > think httpd's were chewing up all the mem so swap was thrashing). It's amazing > what you can do if you forego a GUI. A 12MB 486 should be fine for > experimentation. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 14:12:48 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> Message-ID: Nah, 4MB is a no go. I have a 4MB laptop that I installed slack 3.something on. It turns out that all revs later than that simply wouldn't work in that small a space. I was finally able to get a single getty running ok, much of anything would swap the machine into oblivion for a good while. Let's just say that some operations took the same time as some television shows. I think that the extra few megs (8 even) would have really helped alot (it *is* twice the ram). Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > > > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after > > hearing > > about it...). > > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I > > want > > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need > > more > > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > > > > Seems to me I used to run RH5.something on a 386, 8-16MB RAM (don't recall), > 500 MB HD. Was running all sorts of stuff, Apache, NFS, Samba, etc and as a > firewall. Tried 4 MB RAM but no-go. Probably could have made it work at 4MB but > back then I didn't know about turning down the minimum # servers for Apache (I > think httpd's were chewing up all the mem so swap was thrashing). It's amazing > what you can do if you forego a GUI. A 12MB 486 should be fine for > experimentation. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 5 14:21:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:58:16PM -0700 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:58:16PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: >apps. I upgraded to 24MB RAM it and ran X great - including Emacs, as any >decent box should. I was running fvwm for a window manager - no gnome of kde No decent box should _EVER_ be forced to run emacs. That's just plain hardware and OS abuse. hehe, sorry. Had to be done. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does Sun not allow redistribution of their > > java stuff? > > Sun has a binary license only thing, so that is why there is nothing there > except the .spec file. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 14:25:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > No decent box should _EVER_ be forced to run emacs. > That's just plain hardware and OS abuse. > > hehe, sorry. Had to be done. Ben, you're an idiot. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 5 14:29:09 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:25:15PM -0500 References: <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010605142909.B9728@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:25:15PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >Ben, you're an idiot. ;) Yes I am. But at least I admit it. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's available, but cannot be redistributed by anyone but sun. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joel at luths.net Tue Jun 5 14:43:12 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991770192.3b1d3650900ca@www.luths.net> Feel like I'm pushing this OT so changed the subject. There is a "4mb(sic)-Laptops" how-to at http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/4mb- Laptops.html. Only glanced at it, maybe what the author is suggesting is just a getty as well. And it hasn't been updated since 4/2000. Just throwin' it out there. Quoting Joshua Jore : > Nah, 4MB is a no go. I have a 4MB laptop that I installed slack > 3.something on. It turns out that all revs later than that simply > wouldn't > work in that small a space. I was finally able to get a single getty > running ok, much of anything would swap the machine into oblivion for a > good while. Let's just say that some operations took the same time as > some > television shows. I think that the extra few megs (8 even) would have > really helped alot (it *is* twice the ram). > > Josh > > ___SIG___ > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > > > Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > > > > > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after > > > hearing > > > about it...). > > > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB > HDD. I > > > want > > > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you > need > > > more > > > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory > was > > > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't > care.) > > > > > > > Seems to me I used to run RH5.something on a 386, 8-16MB RAM (don't > recall), > > 500 MB HD. Was running all sorts of stuff, Apache, NFS, Samba, etc and > as a > > firewall. Tried 4 MB RAM but no-go. Probably could have made it work > at 4MB but > > back then I didn't know about turning down the minimum # servers for > Apache (I > > think httpd's were chewing up all the mem so swap was thrashing). It's > amazing > > what you can do if you forego a GUI. A 12MB 486 should be fine for > > experimentation. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Jun 5 14:35:43 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 12:30:38PM -0500 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010605143543.A24972@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 12:30:38PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after hearing > about it...). > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I want > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need more > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) > > is there any way to install Slackware via FTP? the only install methods I > see are floppy, CD, and NFS. > > also, should I grab the latest slackware-current stuff; or is 7.1 good > enough for the moment? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I'm running a couple of web servers (thttpd) on a 486-DX4 with 16MB of memory and a few small hard drives. You shouldn't have much problem, once you get past the install. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us home: 952-934-4851 Eden Prairie, MN 55346 fax: 952-937-9832 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jun 5 14:48:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605143543.A24972@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:35:43PM -0500 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <20010605143543.A24972@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20010605144801.C15109@real-time.com> > I'm running a couple of web servers (thttpd) on a 486-DX4 with 16MB of > memory and a few small hard drives. You shouldn't have much problem, > once you get past the install. I used to run X (with AfterStep), a webserver (with perl CGIs), WordPerfect8, all on a 486/66 w/44MB of RAM. ran happy and snappy as a clam. this box used to be my OpenBSD firewall; and never really hit swap; so I'm not too concerned. I halfway want to do this just to put down Nate, who regards anything less than a PII-300 with 256MB as 'a piece of !$@*'. ;> Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 14:58:20 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:07 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] In-Reply-To: <991770192.3b1d3650900ca@www.luths.net> Message-ID: Yep, I did something similar. Since it only has a floppy, parallel port, serial port and 1200bps modem the task of getting something in was pretty hard. I ended up using a umsdos slack boot disk combined with the paride system to mount root on a parallel port superdisk drive. The superdisk had Slack's fine zipslack distro on it. (yes, it's great for exactly this sort of stuff). Given that I now had a fully operational system (talk about slow when your / is on the other end of an ancient parallel port) I just partitioned the 120mb hard drive and copied over what I wanted. I don't think I ever bothered with using the installer since that would make too many assumptions about how I needed everything. So... if someone would like a 4mb slack laptop I might give it up for a beer or two. I don't think I'll ever find a use for it now that the BSD machine is occupying my attention. Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > Feel like I'm pushing this OT so changed the subject. > > There is a "4mb(sic)-Laptops" how-to at http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/4mb- > Laptops.html. Only glanced at it, maybe what the author is suggesting is just a > getty as well. And it hasn't been updated since 4/2000. Just throwin' it out > there. > > Quoting Joshua Jore : > > > Nah, 4MB is a no go. I have a 4MB laptop that I installed slack > > 3.something on. It turns out that all revs later than that simply > > wouldn't > > work in that small a space. I was finally able to get a single getty > > running ok, much of anything would swap the machine into oblivion for a > > good while. Let's just say that some operations took the same time as > > some > > television shows. I think that the extra few megs (8 even) would have > > really helped alot (it *is* twice the ram). > > > > Josh > > > > ___SIG___ > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > > > > > Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > > > > > > > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after > > > > hearing > > > > about it...). > > > > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB > > HDD. I > > > > want > > > > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you > > need > > > > more > > > > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory > > was > > > > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't > > care.) > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me I used to run RH5.something on a 386, 8-16MB RAM (don't > > recall), > > > 500 MB HD. Was running all sorts of stuff, Apache, NFS, Samba, etc and > > as a > > > firewall. Tried 4 MB RAM but no-go. Probably could have made it work > > at 4MB but > > > back then I didn't know about turning down the minimum # servers for > > Apache (I > > > think httpd's were chewing up all the mem so swap was thrashing). It's > > amazing > > > what you can do if you forego a GUI. A 12MB 486 should be fine for > > > experimentation. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 5 15:14:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:21:51PM -0500 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010605151448.A14689@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:21:51PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:58:16PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > >apps. I upgraded to 24MB RAM it and ran X great - including Emacs, as any > >decent box should. I was running fvwm for a window manager - no gnome of kde > > No decent box should _EVER_ be forced to run emacs. > That's just plain hardware and OS abuse. > > hehe, sorry. Had to be done. For those who attended the Saturday's meeting: I have found interesting the comparison sendmail/qmail as emacs/vi. AFAIK emacs can send e-mail 8)8)8) florin (started with emacs, now a vim user) -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From joel at luths.net Tue Jun 5 15:37:44 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991773464.3b1d431846d40@www.luths.net> That's too hardcore for me. And I value beer more than that... Quoting Joshua Jore : > Yep, I did something similar. Since it only has a floppy, parallel port, > serial port and 1200bps modem the task of getting something in was > pretty > hard. I ended up using a umsdos slack boot disk combined with the paride > system to mount root on a parallel port superdisk drive. The superdisk > had > Slack's fine zipslack distro on it. (yes, it's great for exactly this > sort > of stuff). Given that I now had a fully operational system (talk about > slow when your / is on the other end of an ancient parallel port) I just > partitioned the 120mb hard drive and copied over what I wanted. I don't > think I ever bothered with using the installer since that would make too > many assumptions about how I needed everything. > > So... if someone would like a 4mb slack laptop I might give it up for a > beer or two. I don't think I'll ever find a use for it now that the BSD > machine is occupying my attention. > > Josh > > ___SIG___ > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jun 5 15:33:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605151448.A14689@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010605153358.R21402@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [010605 15:17]: > comparison sendmail/qmail as emacs/vi. mmm. postfix-tls-sasl was fun :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010605/a8085f20/attachment.pgp From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 15:35:46 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] In-Reply-To: <991773464.3b1d431846d40@www.luths.net> Message-ID: Regarding the beer, yeah, so do I. It's worth a try anyway. Hey, how about it's yours if you can do something nifty with it. (the battery doesn't work so it's corded only) Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > That's too hardcore for me. And I value beer more than that... > > Quoting Joshua Jore : > > > Yep, I did something similar. Since it only has a floppy, parallel port, > > serial port and 1200bps modem the task of getting something in was > > pretty > > hard. I ended up using a umsdos slack boot disk combined with the paride > > system to mount root on a parallel port superdisk drive. The superdisk > > had > > Slack's fine zipslack distro on it. (yes, it's great for exactly this > > sort > > of stuff). Given that I now had a fully operational system (talk about > > slow when your / is on the other end of an ancient parallel port) I just > > partitioned the 120mb hard drive and copied over what I wanted. I don't > > think I ever bothered with using the installer since that would make too > > many assumptions about how I needed everything. > > > > So... if someone would like a 4mb slack laptop I might give it up for a > > beer or two. I don't think I'll ever find a use for it now that the BSD > > machine is occupying my attention. > > > > Josh > > > > ___SIG___ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 5 15:45:06 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> Message-ID: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > I've decided to finally give Slackware a try (about 5 years after hearing > about it...). > I have a 486 w/12MB of RAM and will probably end up with a 340MB HDD. I want > to set it up as a web server. (before you all shout out that 'you need more > memory than that!'; remember what it used to be like, before memory was > cheap.. it's not going to be a high-performance box, and I don't care.) I ran a 386/25 with 8 meg of ram as my web server for years. I don't still have usage charts from that far back, so I can't say what it was handling. I didn't, of course, run X on it! I believe that Slackware was the first distribution I ran on that box, in fact. (Before I got a web server up, I converted my BBS to running under Linux, and that worked very well for a while.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 5 15:46:39 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens writes: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:58:16PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > >apps. I upgraded to 24MB RAM it and ran X great - including Emacs, as any > >decent box should. I was running fvwm for a window manager - no gnome of kde > > No decent box should _EVER_ be forced to run emacs. > That's just plain hardware and OS abuse. > > hehe, sorry. Had to be done. Nonsense; emacs is the only editor worth even thinking about. If a box can't run emacs, it's a worthless toy. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 5 16:13:55 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] References: Message-ID: <3B1D4B93.34F04E4D@haxxed.com> Joshua Jore wrote: > > Regarding the beer, yeah, so do I. It's worth a try anyway. Hey, how about > it's yours if you can do something nifty with it. (the battery doesn't > work so it's corded only) What brand/model is it? From joel at luths.net Tue Jun 5 16:33:51 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: Tiny Linux [wasRe: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991776831.3b1d503f222fb@www.luths.net> Nah, I'd give you a couple beers for it anyway. But chances are high I wouldn't do anything more with it than you are, so I'm sure someone else on the list could make better use of it. If my wife sees me bring another project home... Quoting Joshua Jore : > Regarding the beer, yeah, so do I. It's worth a try anyway. Hey, how > about > it's yours if you can do something nifty with it. (the battery doesn't > work so it's corded only) > > Josh > > ___SIG___ > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > > > That's too hardcore for me. And I value beer more than that... > > > > Quoting Joshua Jore : > > > > > Yep, I did something similar. Since it only has a floppy, parallel > port, > > > serial port and 1200bps modem the task of getting something in was > > > pretty > > > hard. I ended up using a umsdos slack boot disk combined with the > paride > > > system to mount root on a parallel port superdisk drive. The > superdisk > > > had > > > Slack's fine zipslack distro on it. (yes, it's great for exactly > this > > > sort > > > of stuff). Given that I now had a fully operational system (talk > about > > > slow when your / is on the other end of an ancient parallel port) I > just > > > partitioned the 120mb hard drive and copied over what I wanted. I > don't > > > think I ever bothered with using the installer since that would make > too > > > many assumptions about how I needed everything. > > > > > > So... if someone would like a 4mb slack laptop I might give it up > for a > > > beer or two. I don't think I'll ever find a use for it now that the > BSD > > > machine is occupying my attention. > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > ___SIG___ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 15:32:24 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010604203224.74943.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> i got the 110 in a box and i have not had much problems with them... though the skin on one or two did flake -munir --- Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs > when they were like $5 > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting > EXTREMELY large amounts > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 17:45:03 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE:PNY CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <10106041730.AA18108@dart.dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20010604224503.61871.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> can you bring some to the installfest to be testdriven? if they are as good as you say they are then there may be a few buyers... -munir --- jspinti@dart.dartdist.com wrote: > I have been using PNY Black Diamond CD-Rs for quite > a while. I > have only burned maybe 2-3 coasters, and those were > my fault. I > use an HP 9300 ATAPI at 10X. > > I assume you are talking about the cheap PNY's on > the 50 ct spindle. > We distribute PNY, and the Black Diamonds are about > 20% higher cost, > but work much better. > > If you are interested in getting the Black Diamonds, > I think I could > work out some kind of a deal for the LUG. It would > be about $22 per 50 > count spindle. We usually only carry 5-10 at a > time, so you would have to > allow order time. > > Let me know if you are interested. It would have to > be through the LUG, not > individual orders, since we are a wholesaler. > > James Spinti > jspinti@dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 > 952-368-3255 (fax) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From ventes at par1000.com Mon Jun 4 20:06:24 2001 From: ventes at par1000.com (1000sorties.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] offre gratuite de publication Message-ID: <200106050203.VAA12705@mail21.domainhost.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 21:26:59 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010603015638.71752.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010605022659.32149.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> you know this really REALLY sucks... i posted this at least 2 days ago! i suppose this should encourage me to setup my own POP server... any special howtos/ recomendations? -munir --- Munir Nassar wrote: > actually, iposted this before you put that link, it > just got delayed because i use Yahoo! Mail... > > -munir > --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > If you didn't get the link to the DMT biased > > whitepaper I posted which has > > probably the best answers I've seen to your > > question, it's > > > > > http://support.aware.com/technology/whitepapers/dmt.html > > > > Cheers, > > Phil M > > > > > > On or about 1 Jun 2001, Munir Nassar is alleged to > > have said: > > > is one better or faster than the other? why > would > > they > > > switch? what are the pros and cons of each? > > > > > > -munir > > > --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, being a naive DSL user, what the heck is > > CAP > > > > and DMT and if my modem > > > > > doesn't do those yet why should it? > > > > > > > > Your modem does one of the two. They are two > of > > the > > > > encoding formats for > > > > DSL. Think of AM/FM, or better the two > > incompatible > > > > formats that were > > > > in use for 56K (still are?) a couple of years > > ago. > > > > > > > > CAP is Carrierless Amplitude/Phase modulation, > > and > > > > DMT is discrete > > > > multi-tone. It's the physical layer. If it > > works, > > > > don't worry about it > > > > -- but you might look at which you're using. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." > > > > --Anonymous > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > Version: 3.12 > > > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ > > w(--) K? 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O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ > X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 06:29:08 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linus on NPR on Monday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605112908.81281.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Listened to the show last night with my wife; I agree with the assesment that the interviewer was really out of her element. (I had to cringe when she admitted not knowing what VA Linux is about--do journalists no longer research?) However, all in all, Linus handled the questions well. Even my non-techie wife was impressed. Thought he sounded like a nice guy. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 07:40:28 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? Message-ID: <20010605124028.58290.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> I just heard through the grapevine that the Installfest for June 16th has been cancelled because the meeting room is unavailable? Is this true? Has there been a change of date/location? :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 17:18:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Cisco 675 CBOS Linux HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <20010605022659.32149.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > you know this really REALLY sucks... i posted this at > least 2 days ago! > > i suppose this should encourage me to setup my own POP > server... any special howtos/ recomendations? The Mail-Administrator and Domain-mini HOWTO's come to mind... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jun 5 17:11:34 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Nonsense; emacs is the only editor worth even thinking > about. If a box can't run emacs, it's a worthless toy. Soooo.... what do YOU do when you get on a box that doesn't have emacs and you can't install the package? From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 17:24:29 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010605124028.58290.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > I just heard through the grapevine that the Installfest for June > 16th has been cancelled because the meeting room is unavailable? Is > this true? Has there been a change of date/location? The gent at Benchmark who has been coming in to do setup and tear down is leaving for another job, and won't be there. Clay said that we should probably postpone. If you (or anyone else) knows a hall we could get for free, e-mail Clay. The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere with some folks real lives. Jacque and Clay, sorry if I'm starting to encroach upon your turf. Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Jun 5 16:47:21 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:11:34PM -0500 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> Message-ID: <20010605164721.A29314@mn.rr.com> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:11:34PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Nonsense; emacs is the only editor worth even thinking > > about. If a box can't run emacs, it's a worthless toy. > > Soooo.... what do YOU do when you get on a box that doesn't have > emacs and you can't install the package? -- According to the Genesis account, the tower of Babel was man's second major engineering undertaking, after Noah's ark. Babel was the first engineering fiasco. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From jspinti at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 5 18:52:16 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE:PNY CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <20010604224503.61871.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010604224503.61871.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01060518521600.01454@pii400> I am going to Dexis tomorrow. How about I drop some off at Real Time? On Monday 04 June 2001 17:45, you wrote: > can you bring some to the installfest to be > testdriven? if they are as good as you say they are > then there may be a few buyers... > > -munir > > --- jspinti@dart.dartdist.com wrote: > > I have been using PNY Black Diamond CD-Rs for quite > > a while. I > > have only burned maybe 2-3 coasters, and those were > > my fault. I > > use an HP 9300 ATAPI at 10X. > > > > I assume you are talking about the cheap PNY's on > > the 50 ct spindle. > > We distribute PNY, and the Black Diamonds are about > > 20% higher cost, > > but work much better. > > > > If you are interested in getting the Black Diamonds, > > I think I could > > work out some kind of a deal for the LUG. It would > > be about $22 per 50 > > count spindle. We usually only carry 5-10 at a > > time, so you would have to > > allow order time. > > > > Let me know if you are interested. It would have to > > be through the LUG, not > > individual orders, since we are a wholesaler. > > > > James Spinti > > jspinti@dartdist.com > > 952-368-3278 > > 952-368-3255 (fax) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ > PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 18:56:00 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010605124028.58290.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So help me out here. My involvement in tclug is this e-mail list. And a room at Strictly Business a year ago. If you're like me and play with boot loaders for fun what is there at an installfest to do? I've never been to one and they seem to be scheduled contrawise to my calendar but I'd make time if it seemed like it was worth it. So why is it worth it? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious, would like to meet some folks in person but don't feel like being out of place at something like this. Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > I just heard through the grapevine that the Installfest for June > 16th has been cancelled because the meeting room is unavailable? Is > this true? Has there been a change of date/location? > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From BurtMetcalf at mediaone.net Tue Jun 5 17:56:56 2001 From: BurtMetcalf at mediaone.net (Kurt Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PNY CD-Rs? References: Message-ID: <3B1D63B8.C24A9CCA@mediaone.net> Brian wrote: > Yaron speaketh: > > Anyone here get some of those PNY-labelled CD-Rs when they were like $5 > > for a spindle of 50? And if so... are you getting EXTREMELY large amounts > > of failed burns on them? > > So fat I've tried like 15 and only 5 have worked! > > John Miller added: > > I bought a spindle and had about a 50% success rate with them. > > What speed are you burning at? I've got the PNY's at home and burned at > 4x I have yet to burn a coaster. I haven't tried fitting 700 MB on yet, > so I maybe it has problems I haven't encountered yet. > > The flaky reflective stuff is the reason I don't store anything important > on them. I got what I paid for... a disposable CDR. They work great for > burning linux ISOs and stuff for short term use. Generally I don't like > to keep ISOs around for two long because I'd rather have a disc with the > latest packages and patches so I don't have to dig after installing. The > discs I really like (and I can't always find) are the paper-covered > discs.. I feel MUCH safer storing stuff on them because the reflective > stuff won't chip off, you have to intentionally peel the sticker off. > > -Brian > I bought 50 of them at Best Buy a couple of months ago and have gone through around 30 of them without making a coaster. Many of them were burned at 8x, but lately the dummy burn reported problems so I burned them at 4x. Many of them have been close to 700mb. Maybe I got a good batch or am just getting lucky. Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 5 19:36:48 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605193648.A32717@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 06:56:00PM -0500, Joshua Jore wrote: > So why is it worth it? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious, would > like to meet some folks in person but don't feel like being out of place > at something like this. - Get help installing something you're not familiar with (it doesn't have to be a full system fresh install; you can get help setting up PCMCIA drivers or a video card, too) - Give help to people installing things you are familiar with - Meet new LUGgies in person - Socialize with LUGgies you already know - Hang out in one of the few places where you can be in a room with even more computers than you have at home - Swap old hardware And I'm sure there are a few things I've missed. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 5 19:38:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605193804.B32717@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:24:29PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > with some folks real lives. Real life? Overrated. I think it'd be pretty cool too, although I'm not quite sure what a Boston 10BaseT party would involve... -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 5 19:40:58 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> Message-ID: Shawn writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Nonsense; emacs is the only editor worth even thinking > > about. If a box can't run emacs, it's a worthless toy. > > > Soooo.... what do YOU do when you get on a box that doesn't have emacs > and you can't install the package? Dunno; hasn't happened to me yet. I've been running emacs since I started 20 years ago (running the original ITS emacs, written in TECO, on a TOPS-20 system under the "incompatibility package" which allows ITS programs to run on TOPS-20). I've used that, JOVE, Gosling, GNU, Epsilon, Emacs command mode in Borland's Sprint and Microsoft's Visual Studio, and at least one other version (for TOPS-10) that I can't remember. I've been able to find emacs-like editors on more classes of boxes than vi was available for, anyway. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 19:50:56 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010605193804.B32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Real life? Overrated. I think it'd be pretty cool too, although I'm not > quite sure what a Boston 10BaseT party would involve... Well, we could probably set up something small this year, but it's kind of late for a big shindig. (Though my wife does work at Sysco, and we can buy all sorts of party food wholesale...) I think the 10BaseT party would be have every Linux user that can be mustered ping something at microsoft.com en masse all day. Grind it to a halt, with no particular overhead on any individual machine, and be so numerous as to be deniable -- "it was a virus. No computer's impervious, I guess." It's fun to think of, anyway. Reminds me of what the painter Paul Gaugin said: "Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge." ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andy at theasis.com Tue Jun 5 20:18:57 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010605193648.A32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > - Get help installing something you're not familiar with (it doesn't have to > be a full system fresh install; you can get help setting up PCMCIA drivers or > a video card, too) > > - Give help to people installing things you are familiar with > > - Meet new LUGgies in person > > - Socialize with LUGgies you already know > > - Hang out in one of the few places where you can be in a room with even more > computers than you have at home > > - Swap old hardware > > And I'm sure there are a few things I've missed. - See something (app or hardware) working in Linux that you were always interested in, but not enough to motivate you to try it on your own. But then you find at the installfest that it's really cool so you then run home and install it. 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Les 1000 premi?res inscriptions seront gratuites. Vous pourrez ensuite passer vos annonces pour un co?t que nous garantissons ?tonnamment modeste (nous contacter.) http://www.1000sorties.com Le premier site de sorties au niveau national ? interactivit? totale. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010605/e769e3a7/attachment.htm From john at mn.mediaone.net Tue Jun 5 19:30:28 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Message-ID: I am starting to get into securing things on my box. I have RH 7.0 and applied the security patches for the RH site. I have purchased the book Linux Security Tools. The first chapter talks about pam in the last part of the first chapter. My question is, when do I know when pam is being used for authentication and when is it not. I log in to my machine from work using telnet. Would pam be used for that or some other service. Second question: I am getting messages like : portmap[9271] connect from 202.105.205.141 to dump(): request from unauthorized host portmap[?] connct from 200.221.96.88 to getport(status) request from unauthoriezed host What are these unauthorized people trying to do? I have in my hosts.deny all:all and hosts.allow the only two ip that I would log in from. TIA for all comments John Miller From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 5 20:49:35 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, johndmiller wrote: > I log in to my machine from work using telnet. DON'T DO THAT. PAM or no PAM! Don't do it. Install SSH asap, and change your passwords. /var/log/messages should have a PAM message if you're using PAM. -Yaron -- From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Jun 5 20:55:48 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? References: Message-ID: <3B1D8DA2.31F87841@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > with some folks real lives. OOOOOOOOWwwwwww!!! The pain. Are you a teacher? That sounds suspiciously like teacher humor. I'm reminded of my second grade teacher.....And my 6th grade teacher.....And my high school Algebra teacher. :-) BTW, my second grade teacher *ROCKS* and my high school Algebra teacher is the coolest guy I know. (Doesn't make the jokes any better though) :-) sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Jun 5 21:06:30 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security References: Message-ID: <3B1D9023.A4E99A36@eetc.com> johndmiller wrote: > I am starting to get into securing things on my box. I have RH 7.0 and > applied the security patches for the RH site. I have purchased the book > Linux Security Tools. The first chapter talks about pam in the last part > of the first chapter. My question is, when do I know when pam is being > used for authentication and when is it not. I log in to my machine from > work using telnet. Would pam be used for that or some other service. AAAAAAHHHHHH. NO NO NO NO NO NO. Say it ain't so. SAY IT AIN'T SO. You should switch to OpenSSH emediately. IP's are spoofed very easily and telnet sends your password in cleartext - No cracking involved. Switch to OpenSSH and change all you passwords. > Second question: > I am getting messages like : > portmap[9271] connect from 202.105.205.141 to dump(): request from > unauthorized host > > portmap[?] connct from 200.221.96.88 to getport(status) request from > unauthoriezed host Probably people scanning IP blocks and looking for telnet daemons. > > > What are these unauthorized people trying to do? They may be trying to hack you connection. > I have in my hosts.deny all:all and hosts.allow the only two ip that I > would log in from. Like I said, IP's are spoofed very very easily. Authentication by IP is not enough. If you really want to be secure install OpenSSH and generate your public/private key pairs. Put the public key on your computer at home and set up some automatic logins. No password involved. Oddly enough it's more secure than passwords. Much easier than telnet and very secure. My $0.02 sim From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 5 21:22:38 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <3B1D9023.A4E99A36@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010605212238.E32717@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:06:30PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > johndmiller wrote: > > I log in to my machine from > > work using telnet. > > AAAAAAHHHHHH. NO NO NO NO NO NO. > Say it ain't so. SAY IT AIN'T SO. Allow me to join the chorus of horror... If you think we're overplaying the paranoia about using telnet over a network you don't have 100% control over, get a copy of ngrep and read the man page. Their standard example is `ngrep 'user|pass'`, which will capture and display (or log, if you tack on a simple ` > passwords.log`) every "username" or "password" prompt that passes through the machine (or, if it's hooked up to a hub, any machine on that hub). Another parameter to ngrep will cause it to also grab the next few packets on the connection which carried the prompt, thus also capturing the response. This isn't paranoia. Grabbing passwords off an unencrypted session really is that simple. > > portmap[9271] connect from 202.105.205.141 to dump(): request from > > unauthorized host > > > > portmap[?] connct from 200.221.96.88 to getport(status) request from > > unauthoriezed host > > Probably people scanning IP blocks and looking for telnet daemons. Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are asking about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a vulnerable NIS or NFS installation. > No password involved. Oddly enough it's more secure than passwords. > Much easier than telnet and very secure. Yup. Ain't ssh great? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 21:32:28 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <3B1D8DA2.31F87841@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > > with some folks real lives. > > OOOOOOOOWwwwwww!!! The pain. > Are you a teacher? That sounds suspiciously like teacher humor. No. I just like to BBQ, and a bunch of LUGnuts at a BBQ sounded like fun. Once, anyway. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 21:56:02 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010605215602.21c400cd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> johndmiller wrote: > > Second question: > I am getting messages like : > portmap[9271] connect from 202.105.205.141 to dump(): request from > unauthorized host First off, you shouldn't be running portmap unless you're in a network that uses NIS or are mounting NFS shares. most people don't need to be running much at all in the way of network services. SSH, lpd, and sendmail are more than enough. Include identd if you use IRC. Sendmail on modern RedHat distributions only listens to 127.0.0.1 by default. LPD needs to be trained. I think it's also worthwhile to drop connection requests to port 6000, the default X Windows port, since I usually tunnel my X applications over SSH, and am therefore usually using Unix domain sockets. With iptables, you can do something like this to block others from connecting to open ports on your system: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport printer -j REJECT \ --reject-with tcp-reset Replace `eth0' with appropriate device names (not `lo') and `printer' with appropriate port names or numbers. The `--reject-with tcp-reset' will prevent those ports from showing up as `filtered' with nmap. You can drop X connections and/or set up X Windows to not listen to TCP connections. Wherever your X session starts up, add the parameter `-nolisten tcp'. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Find your aim in life, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ before you run out of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) ammunition [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010605/f5ae1292/attachment.pgp From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Jun 5 21:59:49 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Message-ID: <010605215949.20204305@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi >Put the public key on your computer at home and set up some automatic >logins. >No password involved. Oddly enough it's more secure than passwords. >Much easier than telnet and very secure. Is this really true??? Best practice? Seems too good to be true. I've gotten that piece to work, but have shied away from it cuz it seemed the password challenge would be better. Guess I'm not all that sure why I thought that, though. Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 5 22:18:20 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <010605215949.20204305@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010605221820.F32717@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:59:49PM -0500, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > >Put the public key on your computer at home and set up some automatic > >logins. > >No password involved. Oddly enough it's more secure than passwords. > >Much easier than telnet and very secure. > > Is this really true??? Best practice? > > Seems too good to be true. I've gotten that piece to work, but have shied away > from it cuz it seemed the password challenge would be better. Guess I'm not all > that sure why I thought that, though. There is one caveat: You must generate keys with (good) passphrases. If you leave the passphrase blank, then I tend to agree with you that it's insecure, since access to the key-holding account would give free reign over all accounts that recognize that key (and ~/.ssh/known_hosts would make finding those accounts pretty easy). With a good passphrase, though, the key itself is locked up quite nicely also. Just remember not to walk away while logged in without locking your terminal first. But you do that anyway, right? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 5 22:24:14 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <20010605212238.E32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are asking > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a vulnerable > NIS or NFS installation. Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's using RPC? Is it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports strewn about that can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm worried about on my system. back to the original question on security, port scans are part of life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their port scanners because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just like in the movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, are you on a cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one even looked at my box but on cable in the last week I've collected large amounts of IP addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been targeting FTP, which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at that point. Real bright ones, they are! :-) tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in hosts.deny lets me sleep at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP requests on my outside interface just to thwart the really stupid kiddies. Between these two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup script to make sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. -Brian From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 23:21:14 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well that all sounds pretty cool. Maybe I'll see you folks around sometime then. Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > - Get help installing something you're not familiar with (it doesn't have to > > be a full system fresh install; you can get help setting up PCMCIA drivers or > > a video card, too) > > > > - Give help to people installing things you are familiar with > > > > - Meet new LUGgies in person > > > > - Socialize with LUGgies you already know > > > > - Hang out in one of the few places where you can be in a room with even more > > computers than you have at home > > > > - Swap old hardware > > > > And I'm sure there are a few things I've missed. > > - See something (app or hardware) working in Linux that you were always > interested in, but not enough to motivate you to try it on your own. > But then you find at the installfest that it's really cool so you then > run home and install it. > > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 5 23:30:07 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let me just chime in for a sec. Even better than twidling with hosts.[allow|deny] is a set of good block-by-default ip filtering chains. I can't offer any actual advice on configuring ip since I only expose OpenBSD to the wide internet. That's got a totally awesome package 'ipf' (which may be supplanted with OpenIPF shortly). In general though, it is better policy to prevent the traffic from ever reaching tcpd. Josh ___SIG___ On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are asking > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a vulnerable > > NIS or NFS installation. > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's using RPC? Is > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports strewn about that > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm worried about on > my system. > > back to the original question on security, port scans are part of > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their port scanners > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just like in the > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, are you on a > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one even looked at my > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large amounts of IP > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been targeting FTP, > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at that point. Real > bright ones, they are! :-) > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in hosts.deny lets me sleep > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP requests on my > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid kiddies. Between these > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup script to make > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 01:06:57 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q Message-ID: Can someone take a quick peek and tell me why I'm not getting through the firewall from the outside? Here is the ipchain. I just want to forward port 80 (www) requests to an internal host. Chain forward (policy DENY): target prot opt source destination ports ACCEPT tcp ------ 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.1.1 80 -> 80 MASQ all ------ 192.168.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 n/a When I try to lynx in from the U (to http://rephil.org or http://www.rephil.org) it tells me it cannot connect to host, but nslookup or dig both give the right spots for it, and I can ssh into the firewall from there. Hrm. TIA, Phil From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 6 04:29:08 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? References: <20010605193648.A32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B1DF7E4.F7C68DB9@haxxed.com> > - Hang out in one of the few places where you can be in a room with even more > computers than you have at home > > - Swap old hardware > > And I'm sure there are a few things I've missed. Sit around playing Phantasy Star Online on the dreamcast you brought, your excuse being you have a CDR with dreamcast linux... From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Jun 6 06:03:06 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:06:57AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010606060306.A13794@knicknack.net> The way I'd do it is to change the first rule below so that the destination IP is the external IP on your firewall. I think you know that you can't route traffic from the greater Internet to a non-routable address like 192.168.1.1 so accepting traffic for that address on your firewall is useless; it should never happen (barring spoofing or something like that). You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow traffic to the web server. Finally, if you don't already have it, you'll also need a port forward command (ipmasqadm portfw) to forward traffic from port 80 on the external I/F of the firewall to port 80 on the internal web server. Hope that helps, Eric On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:06:57AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Can someone take a quick peek and tell me why I'm not getting through the > firewall from the outside? Here is the ipchain. I just want to forward > port 80 (www) requests to an internal host. > > > Chain forward (policy DENY): target prot opt source destination ports > ACCEPT tcp ------ 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.1.1 80 -> 80 > MASQ all ------ 192.168.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 n/a > > When I try to lynx in from the U (to http://rephil.org or > http://www.rephil.org) it tells me it cannot connect to host, but nslookup > or dig both give the right spots for it, and I can ssh into the firewall > from there. Hrm. > > TIA, > > Phil From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 6 06:28:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? References: Message-ID: <3B1E13D6.5512137F@fandre.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > > > I just heard through the grapevine that the Installfest for June > > 16th has been cancelled because the meeting room is unavailable? Is > > this true? Has there been a change of date/location? > > The gent at Benchmark who has been coming in to do setup and tear down is > leaving for another job, and won't be there. Clay said that we should > probably postpone. If you (or anyone else) knows a hall we could get for > free, e-mail Clay. Phil is right. We are trying to whip up plan B, but it isn't looking too good. I will probably update the webpage today and send out an announcement. :-( > > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > with some folks real lives. > > Jacque and Clay, sorry if I'm starting to encroach upon your turf. The "UG" in TCLUG means Users Group. To me that means everyone in the group owns the turf. Heck, if someone wanted to take over my responsibilities, all they have to do is ask. From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jun 6 06:54:38 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome Message-ID: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> Having read comparisons between KDE and Gnome, I'd like to include the Star Office 5.2 desktop for consideration. It is a remarkably complete UI. Also, you don't have a "K" or "GN" on every app. Just hide the panel and you have a very clean, professional desktop True, SO5.2 on KDE or Gnome is a "bloated pig" for RAM. But pare down your kernel and 128MB RAM seems plenty. (RAM has gotten very cheap in newer mobos.) As an MS Office 97 user, Star Office 5.2 is a huge improvement. There are some gotchyas but not bugs, just different methods used. For example, when you log out make sure to close SO first, or don't use "restore session" or you will likely hang. The browser in SO5.2 is very clean with a perfect bookmark idea. The word processor is quite different than MS Word. All other Office functions are much more intuitive and assemble like a web and frames. Mostly, I like the email in SO5.2. After subscribing to TCLUG, my MS Outlook 97 was unable to handle the sorting. Netscape mail was worse. Kmail was too crude. But SO5.2 has a great set of "rules" you can configure. These rules include the "move" command to easily set up separate folders. Now you guys get routed out of my face. I believe the Star Office 5.2 app makes the Linux OS practical for many more people. The wonders of Linux system configuration remain for the true, under the hood, computer mechanic. Now a very clean UI makes for a complete system. Modern software is truly spectacular. I've worked with PC's since the Altair 8800 in 1980(?). The world has greatly changed for the better thanks to so many talented people. The internet and now the (almost) free software movement will do more than any political entity to make the world a friendlier place. (Can Gov. Jesse do Linux ??) Rick Mora, MN. From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 6 08:17:39 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic post of file to webform Message-ID: <991833459.3b1e2d73d5f8f@mail.fandre.com> I'm looking for a perl script to automatically upload a file to a web form on a remote web server running https. Anyone have any ideas? I know there are some perl modules that will allow you to submit forms automatically, but didn't know if they handled files or https. Plus I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone already has something. TIA. -- Clay From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 6 08:24:33 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome>; from eng@pinenet.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:54:38AM +0000 References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> Message-ID: <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:54:38AM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: >Having read comparisons between KDE and Gnome, I'd like to include the >Star Office 5.2 desktop for consideration. It is a remarkably complete >UI. Also, you don't have a "K" or "GN" on every app. Just hide the panel >and you have a very clean, professional desktop > Star Office sucks. It's not viable at all as an alternative to M$ Products if you're in an environment with lots of windows users and need to exchange documents. We had people here try it for a long time. They ended up spending so much time reformatting documents that thier productivity decreased. Everything from bullets in slides to formula discomboulation in Excell to page break errors and tables being all out-of-whac in word. If you really need to use your office apps, you'll use M$. If you're a geek, use flat text, or PostScript, or even go so far as to fireup vmware and run MS products from that. Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the lack of a decent processor. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Plus I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if >someone already has something. You could find one of those "First Post" perl scripts people are apparently using to be jackasses on slashdork :-) > >TIA. > >-- Clay >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010606/e2b7c2b5/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Wed Jun 6 08:31:35 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic post of file to webform In-Reply-To: <991833459.3b1e2d73d5f8f@mail.fandre.com> References: <991833459.3b1e2d73d5f8f@mail.fandre.com> Message-ID: <991834295.3b1e30b77ba3c@mail.fandre.com> Quoting Clay Fandre : > I'm looking for a perl script to automatically upload a file to a web > form on a > remote web server running https. Anyone have any ideas? I know there are > some > perl modules that will allow you to submit forms automatically, but > didn't know > if they handled files or https. Plus I didn't want to reinvent the wheel > if > someone already has something. BTW, I'm planning on using LWP and HTTP::Request::Common, unless someone else has a better suggestion. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 08:40:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that > takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not > a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the > lack of a decent processor. Aw, come on, Ben. Tell us what you *really* think! :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jun 6 08:42:59 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic post of file to webform In-Reply-To: <20010606082540.B24575@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010606084259.A5306@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:25:40AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:17:39AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > >I'm looking for a perl script to automatically upload a file to a web form on a > >remote web server running https. > You could find one of those "First Post" perl scripts people are apparently > using to be jackasses on slashdork :-) No, I don't think they handle https very well. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Jun 6 09:05:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> Message-ID: <3B1E389F.9F2558EB@mninter.net> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Dunno; hasn't happened to me yet. I've been running emacs since I > started 20 years ago (running the original ITS emacs, written in TECO, > on a TOPS-20 system under the "incompatibility package" which allows > ITS programs to run on TOPS-20). I've used that, JOVE, Gosling, GNU, > Epsilon, Emacs command mode in Borland's Sprint and Microsoft's Visual > Studio, and at least one other version (for TOPS-10) that I can't > remember. > > I've been able to find emacs-like editors on more classes of boxes > than vi was available for, anyway. Interesting point. Was just trying to make a statement that not all boxes have emacs on them, but from what I've been able to discern vi is always on a box. Not a slam mind you, just a point trying to bring up. I couldn't navigate my way through emacs if I wanted to at this time as I prefer and spcificly use vi. Shawn From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 09:34:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE:PNY CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <01060518521600.01454@pii400> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, James Spinti wrote: > I am going to Dexis tomorrow. How about I drop some off at Real Time? If you really want to, feel free. I'll be here all day. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 6 09:37:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628087A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I think you need to use ipmasqadm with the "portfw" option. Get rid of that ipchains rule first. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q > > > The way I'd do it is to change the first rule below so that the > destination IP is the external IP on your firewall. I think you know > that you can't route traffic from the greater Internet to a > non-routable address like 192.168.1.1 so accepting traffic for that > address on your firewall is useless; it should never happen (barring > spoofing or something like that). > > You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow > traffic to the web server. > > Finally, if you don't already have it, you'll also need a port forward > command (ipmasqadm portfw) to forward traffic from port 80 on the > external I/F of the firewall to port 80 on the internal web server. > > Hope that helps, > > Eric > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:06:57AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Can someone take a quick peek and tell me why I'm not > getting through the > > firewall from the outside? Here is the ipchain. I just > want to forward > > port 80 (www) requests to an internal host. > > > > > > Chain forward (policy DENY): target prot opt source > destination ports > > ACCEPT tcp ------ 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.1.1 > 80 -> 80 > > MASQ all ------ 192.168.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 n/a > > > > When I try to lynx in from the U (to http://rephil.org or > > http://www.rephil.org) it tells me it cannot connect to > host, but nslookup > > or dig both give the right spots for it, and I can ssh into > the firewall > > from there. Hrm. > > > > TIA, > > > > Phil > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 09:42:26 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: <20010606060306.A13794@knicknack.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Eric Stanley wrote: > The way I'd do it is to change the first rule below so that the > destination IP is the external IP on your firewall. I think you know > that you can't route traffic from the greater Internet to a > non-routable address like 192.168.1.1 so accepting traffic for that > address on your firewall is useless; it should never happen (barring > spoofing or something like that). OK, sure -- thanks. What I get for doing it in the wee hours. > You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow > traffic to the web server. Right now output is set for -P ACCEPT. For the forward rules to allow web traffic, would I want -j MASQ or -j ACCEPT? from everywhere on port 80? It's a little unclear where the forward rules end and the portfw takes over. > Finally, if you don't already have it, you'll also need a port forward > command (ipmasqadm portfw) to forward traffic from port 80 on the > external I/F of the firewall to port 80 on the internal web server. > > Hope that helps, Quite a bit -- what's not clear is where does the port forwarding take place in the IPchain. Or does it happen outside, and if so, when / how. I think it's not as much like an audio/video patch panel as they lead one to believe, or am I just a little lost in the woods? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 09:56:07 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? References: Message-ID: <3B1E4479.7527748@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > > > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > > > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > > > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > > > with some folks real lives. > > > > OOOOOOOOWwwwwww!!! The pain. > > Are you a teacher? That sounds suspiciously like teacher humor. > > No. I just like to BBQ, and a bunch of LUGnuts at a BBQ sounded like > fun. Once, anyway. Wouldn't mind a BBQ. The installfests so far happen on dates I couldn't attend. Maybe I can get to the next one. sim From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 09:59:07 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628087A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I think you need to use ipmasqadm with the "portfw" option. Get rid of that > ipchains rule first. Is there any interaction between ipmasqadm portfw and ipchains? I've tried it with nothing in the forward section and that doesn't seem to get it. I've also tried it with both, but that doesn't seem to do it either. Thanks, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 10:00:00 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security References: <20010605221820.F32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B1E4563.55352C13@eetc.com> Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:59:49PM -0500, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > >Put the public key on your computer at home and set up some automatic > > >logins. > > >No password involved. Oddly enough it's more secure than passwords. > > >Much easier than telnet and very secure. > > > > Is this really true??? Best practice? > > > > Seems too good to be true. I've gotten that piece to work, but have shied away > > from it cuz it seemed the password challenge would be better. Guess I'm not all > > that sure why I thought that, though. If you trust the computer yes it is. I have to use a Mac at work that is sitting right out in the open and must be available for others to work on. I don't use keys on this computer. Too easy to get to and steal the keys. Although with a passphrase that would also be secure. > There is one caveat: You must generate keys with (good) passphrases. If you > leave the passphrase blank, then I tend to agree with you that it's insecure, > since access to the key-holding account would give free reign over all > accounts that recognize that key (and ~/.ssh/known_hosts would make finding > those accounts pretty easy). With a good passphrase, though, the key itself > is locked up quite nicely also. Just remember not to walk away while logged > in without locking your terminal first. But you do that anyway, right? That's the point. No restrictions on access. I use this on my laptop. No one uses this and it isn't hooked up to the net. I would use a passphrase but It's already acceptably secure for what I use it for. If your at all suspicious of your computer security than use passphrases or stick with password authentication. Either is more secure then telnet. sim From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 10:16:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > I think you need to use ipmasqadm with the "portfw" option. Get rid of that > > ipchains rule first. > > Is there any interaction between ipmasqadm portfw and ipchains? I've > tried it with nothing in the forward section and that doesn't seem to get > it. I've also tried it with both, but that doesn't seem to do it either. ipchains itself cannot do port forwarding. pretty much, you allow access to port 80 with ipchains, and use ipmasqadm to forward it into your network. or, upgrade to 2.4, and do it all with iptables. : ) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 10:29:04 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q References: Message-ID: <3B1E4C2F.3021E948@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow > > traffic to the web server. > > Right now output is set for -P ACCEPT. For the forward rules to allow web > traffic, would I want -j MASQ or -j ACCEPT? from everywhere on port > 80? It's a little unclear where the forward rules end and the portfw > takes over. Sample forwarding rule. ipmasqadm handles the portfw command and is a seperate application from ipchains. /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L RealIP 80 -R InternalIP 80 You have to masq all outgoing traffic from internal hosts. ipchains -A forward -i exernaldevice -s internalnetwork -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQ Since output is set to accept everything than that shouldn't be a problem. > > Finally, if you don't already have it, you'll also need a port forward > > command (ipmasqadm portfw) to forward traffic from port 80 on the > > external I/F of the firewall to port 80 on the internal web server. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Quite a bit -- what's not clear is where does the port forwarding take > place in the IPchain. Or does it happen outside, and if so, when / > how. I think it's not as much like an audio/video patch panel as they > lead one to believe, or am I just a little lost in the woods? Also need a kernel patch unless your using 2.2.18-2.2.19 ( may be in 2.2.17 but I can't remember). You'll need to get the application ipmasqadm. It's probably already there depending on how recent and what distro you use. HTH, sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 10:35:37 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q References: <3B1E4C2F.3021E948@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B1E4DB7.60F425A1@eetc.com> Simeon Johnston wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow > > > traffic to the web server. > > > > Right now output is set for -P ACCEPT. For the forward rules to allow web > > traffic, would I want -j MASQ or -j ACCEPT? from everywhere on port > > 80? It's a little unclear where the forward rules end and the portfw > > takes over. > > Sample forwarding rule. ipmasqadm handles the portfw command and is a > seperate application from ipchains. > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L RealIPofFirewall 80 -R InternalIP 80 > > You have to masq all outgoing traffic from internal hosts. > ipchains -A forward -i exernaldevice -s internalnetwork -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQ Sorry, forgot about accepting incoming port 80 to the firewall ipchains -A input -i externaldevice -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d RealIPofFirewall 80 -j ACCEPT > Since output is set to accept everything than that shouldn't be a problem. > > > > Finally, if you don't already have it, you'll also need a port forward > > > command (ipmasqadm portfw) to forward traffic from port 80 on the > > > external I/F of the firewall to port 80 on the internal web server. > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Quite a bit -- what's not clear is where does the port forwarding take > > place in the IPchain. Or does it happen outside, and if so, when / > > how. I think it's not as much like an audio/video patch panel as they > > lead one to believe, or am I just a little lost in the woods? > > Also need a kernel patch unless your using 2.2.18-2.2.19 ( may be in 2.2.17 > but I can't remember). You'll need to get the application ipmasqadm. > It's probably already there depending on how recent and what distro you use. > > HTH, > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at luths.net Wed Jun 6 10:49:30 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991842570.3b1e510a8d9ba@www.luths.net> I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. Quoting Brian : > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are > asking > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a > vulnerable > > NIS or NFS installation. > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's using RPC? > Is > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports strewn about that > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm worried about on > my system. > > back to the original question on security, port scans are part of > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their port scanners > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just like in the > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, are you on a > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one even looked at > my > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large amounts of IP > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been targeting > FTP, > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at that point. > Real > bright ones, they are! :-) > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in hosts.deny lets me > sleep > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP requests on my > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid kiddies. Between > these > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup script to > make > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jun 6 10:54:02 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome Message-ID: >>> blutgens@sistina.com 06/06/01 08:24AM >>> >Star Office sucks. It's not viable at all as an alternative to M$ Products if >you're in an environment with lots of windows users and need to exchange >documents. Very true, for that purpose, and true also for specific parts (at least in 5.1). I am not overly fond of MS Office however, but it does address the intentional "compatibility" issues (that still gets under my skin, grrr...). >If you really need to use your office apps, you'll use M$. If you're a geek, >use flat text, or PostScript, or even go so far as to fireup vmware and run >MS products from that. Looking at the pricing of Office XP, I do not know if we could upgrade to it without laying off a few people. >Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that >takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not >a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the >lack of a decent processor. I honestly don't know if my grandma would know the difference. :-) Have a fabulous day, Troy From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jun 6 11:06:42 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010606110642.A21402@ringworld.org> * Troy Johnson [010606 10:55]: > >Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that > >takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not Then ignore it and let us who actually like the fact something like OpenOffice exists to beable to use it. Same with mozilla, christ people.. the bazaar exists so you can either make or use *someone elses better code* if you think its better. Why not extol your happiness that KOffice is great instead of bashing each others applicatons. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010606/8bac01f8/attachment.pgp From mike at fruitioninc.com Wed Jun 6 13:10:28 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com><991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net><120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas><20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> Message-ID: <12c001c0eeb3$f770b7d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Visual Studio has an emacs mode? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dyer-Bennet" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? > Dunno; hasn't happened to me yet. I've been running emacs since I > started 20 years ago (running the original ITS emacs, written in TECO, > on a TOPS-20 system under the "incompatibility package" which allows > ITS programs to run on TOPS-20). I've used that, JOVE, Gosling, GNU, > Epsilon, Emacs command mode in Borland's Sprint and Microsoft's Visual > Studio, and at least one other version (for TOPS-10) that I can't > remember. > > I've been able to find emacs-like editors on more classes of boxes > than vi was available for, anyway. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Wed Jun 6 11:13:12 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? References: <20010605193804.B32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B1E5698.6080802@mninter.net> What about a Park for this Installfest? There are several parks that have large pavilions with electricity. For example, south Mpls has the Minnehaha Falls, I think Round Lake has several good sized Pavilions. We would need to find one to reserve, with some cost involved. I don't know how much they cost or availability. Might be nice to consider for a few monthly meetings during the summer as well. Karl. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 11:16:24 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: <3B1E4DB7.60F425A1@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > > > You may also need to make sure your forward (and output) rules allow > > > > traffic to the web server. > > > > > > Right now output is set for -P ACCEPT. For the forward rules to allow web > > > traffic, would I want -j MASQ or -j ACCEPT? from everywhere on port > > > 80? It's a little unclear where the forward rules end and the portfw > > > takes over. > > > > Sample forwarding rule. ipmasqadm handles the portfw command and is a > > seperate application from ipchains. > > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L RealIPofFirewall 80 -R InternalIP 80 OK -- done and done. (First thing I tried, and yes I know about deleting / flushing the chains / portfws). > > You have to masq all outgoing traffic from internal hosts. > > ipchains -A forward -i exernaldevice -s internalnetwork -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQ > > Sorry, forgot about accepting incoming port 80 to the firewall > ipchains -A input -i externaldevice -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d RealIPofFirewall 80 > -j ACCEPT Did that, doesn't help. Isn't that covered by input chain policy ACCEPT? > > Since output is set to accept everything than that shouldn't be a problem. > > Also need a kernel patch unless your using 2.2.18-2.2.19 ( may be in 2.2.17 > > but I can't remember). You'll need to get the application ipmasqadm. > > It's probably already there depending on how recent and what distro you use. I am using 2.2.18 CoyoteLinux with ipmasqadm already. I'm starting to go a little nuts here, becuase I seem to be doing everything right. And it ain't the machine, because I'm reading and writing these emails through it! Thanks for your help guys. I'm going to flush it out and start from scratch, but it's one lousy rule and one portfw! (Could it be the -y option or the TOS args? Should I tell forward to -t 0x01 0x10? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 11:18:35 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <3B1E5698.6080802@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Karl Bongers wrote: > What about a Park for this Installfest? There > are several parks that have large pavilions with electricity. > For example, south Mpls has the Minnehaha Falls, > I think Round Lake has several good sized Pavilions. > We would need to find one to reserve, > with some cost involved. I don't know how much they > cost or availability. > > Might be nice to consider for a few monthly meetings > during the summer as well. Power's easy, net access is harder. However, what if we got Tom Hudak's friend with the wireless ISP to bring some receiver's down for the day as a promo? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 11:19:38 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <3B1E5698.6080802@mninter.net>; from kbongers@mninter.net on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:13:12AM -0500 References: <20010605193804.B32717@sherohman.org> <3B1E5698.6080802@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010606111938.C52036@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:13:12AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > What about a Park for this Installfest? There > are several parks that have large pavilions with electricity. > For example, south Mpls has the Minnehaha Falls, > I think Round Lake has several good sized Pavilions. > We would need to find one to reserve, > with some cost involved. I don't know how much they > cost or availability. So what happens when the InstallFest lands on a 80+ degree day? All our machines melt down :) I think air conditioning is a requirement. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, SGI Origin Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Wanna buy a rubber walrus protector?!" - Mr. Horse in "Rubber Nipple Salesmen" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mthoren at mttcc.com Wed Jun 6 11:30:19 2001 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B1E5A9B.A781C992@mttcc.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > Star Office sucks. It's not viable at all as an alternative to M$ Products if > --cut-- I disagree. I have had great success with Star Office. There are versions for Solaris, Linux, AND NT. I have not had any problems so far moving docs and spread sheets between Star Office and MS. Matt. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mthoren.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for Matt Thoren Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010606/335027b7/mthoren.vcf From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 6 11:33:17 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628087F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I get scanned quite a bit on my DSL also, probably about 20 times a day. That's nothing compared to one of my networks, over 6000 portscans a day (some are dummy scans of course, but it's still alot). Fun. > -----Original Message----- > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:50 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Security > > > I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. > > Quoting Brian : > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are > > asking > > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a > > vulnerable > > > NIS or NFS installation. > > > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's > using RPC? > > Is > > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports > strewn about that > > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm > worried about on > > my system. > > > > back to the original question on security, port scans are part of > > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their port scanners > > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just like in the > > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, > are you on a > > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one > even looked at > > my > > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large amounts of IP > > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been > targeting > > FTP, > > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at that point. > > Real > > bright ones, they are! :-) > > > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in hosts.deny lets me > > sleep > > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP > requests on my > > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid kiddies. Between > > these > > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup > script to > > make > > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 11:41:15 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010606111938.C52036@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: How many people come to these things? Colin From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Jun 6 11:50:54 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> <3B1E5A9B.A781C992@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <3B1E5F6E.ACA34592@structural-wood.com> Matt Thoren wrote: > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > > Star Office sucks. It's not viable at all as an alternative to M$ Products if > > --cut-- > > I disagree. I have had great success with Star Office. There are versions for > Solaris, Linux, AND NT. I have not had any problems so far moving docs and > spread sheets between Star Office and MS. > > Matt. I agree with this. When my wife gets an MS Doc thats from a later version of MS Office than hers, I generally can convert it with StarOffice. MS Office won't even read it. StarOffice works great for me, and I think it would be a far more productive world if everyone got rid of MS Office and converted. (Just needed to make an emphatic and silly [although true] statement to counter Bens bombast). *grin*, Kent From joel at luths.net Wed Jun 6 12:21:12 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628087F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628087F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <991848072.3b1e6688ef43a@www.luths.net> Hm, 20/day is about what I get I think. I'm collecting stats, just haven't done much processing of them. Anyone logging ipchains DENYs for this (like me) might want to check out packet2sql (http://sourceforge.net/projects/packet2sql/). Pulls the ipchains lines out of log files and puts them in a SQL db. Should make analysis much easier, if I ever get around to it. Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > I get scanned quite a bit on my DSL also, probably about 20 times a day. > That's nothing compared to one of my networks, over 6000 portscans a day > (some are dummy scans of course, but it's still alot). Fun. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:50 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. > > > > Quoting Brian : > > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those requests are > > > asking > > > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of finding a > > > vulnerable > > > > NIS or NFS installation. > > > > > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's > > using RPC? > > > Is > > > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports > > strewn about that > > > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm > > worried about on > > > my system. > > > > > > back to the original question on security, port scans are part of > > > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their port scanners > > > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just like in the > > > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > > > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, > > are you on a > > > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one > > even looked at > > > my > > > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large amounts of IP > > > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been > > targeting > > > FTP, > > > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at that point. > > > Real > > > bright ones, they are! :-) > > > > > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in hosts.deny lets me > > > sleep > > > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP > > requests on my > > > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid kiddies. Between > > > these > > > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup > > script to > > > make > > > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 12:14:28 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010606111938.C52036@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > So what happens when the InstallFest lands on a 80+ degree day? All our > machines melt down :) I think air conditioning is a requirement. Hardly -- you've got to keep the beer cold, too. Put your box in a trash bag and just set it in the cooler. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 6 12:41:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280880@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Snort (http://www.snort.org) is a good IDS system to use. It will log to a database also, and you can report on the data using ACID (http://acidlab.sourceforge.net). Apparently the latest version will support more than just MySQL, I'll probably be installing it today sometime. MySQL sucks on large databases (at least it did for me), and I'd like to switch to something else. More attack sigs are available for snort at http://www.whitehats.com/ids Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Security > > > Hm, 20/day is about what I get I think. I'm collecting stats, > just haven't done > much processing of them. Anyone logging ipchains DENYs for > this (like me) might > want to check out packet2sql > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/packet2sql/). > Pulls the ipchains lines out of log files and puts them in a > SQL db. Should > make analysis much easier, if I ever get around to it. > > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > I get scanned quite a bit on my DSL also, probably about 20 > times a day. > > That's nothing compared to one of my networks, over 6000 > portscans a day > > (some are dummy scans of course, but it's still alot). Fun. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:50 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > > > > I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. > > > > > > Quoting Brian : > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those > requests are > > > > asking > > > > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of > finding a > > > > vulnerable > > > > > NIS or NFS installation. > > > > > > > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's > > > using RPC? > > > > Is > > > > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports > > > strewn about that > > > > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm > > > worried about on > > > > my system. > > > > > > > > back to the original question on security, port scans > are part of > > > > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their > port scanners > > > > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just > like in the > > > > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > > > > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, > > > are you on a > > > > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one > > > even looked at > > > > my > > > > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large > amounts of IP > > > > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been > > > targeting > > > > FTP, > > > > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at > that point. > > > > Real > > > > bright ones, they are! :-) > > > > > > > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in > hosts.deny lets me > > > > sleep > > > > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP > > > requests on my > > > > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid > kiddies. Between > > > > these > > > > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup > > > script to > > > > make > > > > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 12:42:38 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q References: Message-ID: <3B1E6B8A.D5754C0C@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > Sample forwarding rule. ipmasqadm handles the portfw command and is a > > > seperate application from ipchains. > > > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L RealIPofFirewall 80 -R InternalIP 80 > > OK -- done and done. (First thing I tried, and yes I know about deleting > / flushing the chains / portfws). > > > > You have to masq all outgoing traffic from internal hosts. > > > ipchains -A forward -i exernaldevice -s internalnetwork -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQ > > > > Sorry, forgot about accepting incoming port 80 to the firewall > > ipchains -A input -i externaldevice -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d RealIPofFirewall 80 > > -j ACCEPT > > Did that, doesn't help. Isn't that covered by input chain policy ACCEPT? should be > I am using 2.2.18 CoyoteLinux with ipmasqadm already. I'm starting to go > a little nuts here, becuase I seem to be doing everything right. And it > ain't the machine, because I'm reading and writing these emails through > it! > > Thanks for your help guys. I'm going to flush it out and start from > scratch, but it's one lousy rule and one portfw! (Could it be the -y > option or the TOS args? Should I tell forward to -t 0x01 0x10? BREATH. RELAX. KICK YOUR COMPUTER (or just a warning kick near your computer. It sensed fear...) Just for kicks (not for security.. but if security was a big problem you wouldn't be using a ACCEPT policy for input) :-) Try adding explicit ip's. I remember when I used this for the first time. It was a royal pain. What rules are you using now. You may have some conflicting rules. Is the ipmasqadm stuff *Compiled* into your kernel? Should be for CoyoteLinux. Maybe it's a module? I've never used CoyoteLinux so I'm not sure. There are LOTS of other reasons this won't work. A little more info will be helpful. sim From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 6 13:02:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280881@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Since you are using coyote, isn't this info in their FAQ or the Forums on www.coyotelinux.com? > -----Original Message----- > From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@eetc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q > > > > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > > Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > Sample forwarding rule. ipmasqadm handles the portfw > command and is a > > > > seperate application from ipchains. > > > > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L > RealIPofFirewall 80 -R InternalIP 80 > > > > OK -- done and done. (First thing I tried, and yes I know > about deleting > > / flushing the chains / portfws). > > > > > > You have to masq all outgoing traffic from internal hosts. > > > > ipchains -A forward -i exernaldevice -s internalnetwork > -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQ > > > > > > Sorry, forgot about accepting incoming port 80 to the firewall > > > ipchains -A input -i externaldevice -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 > -d RealIPofFirewall 80 > > > -j ACCEPT > > > > Did that, doesn't help. Isn't that covered by input chain > policy ACCEPT? > > should be > > > I am using 2.2.18 CoyoteLinux with ipmasqadm already. I'm > starting to go > > a little nuts here, becuase I seem to be doing everything > right. And it > > ain't the machine, because I'm reading and writing these > emails through > > it! > > > > Thanks for your help guys. I'm going to flush it out and start from > > scratch, but it's one lousy rule and one portfw! (Could it > be the -y > > option or the TOS args? Should I tell forward to -t 0x01 0x10? > > BREATH. RELAX. KICK YOUR COMPUTER (or just a warning kick > near your computer. It > sensed fear...) > Just for kicks (not for security.. but if security was a big > problem you wouldn't > be using a ACCEPT policy for input) > :-) > Try adding explicit ip's. I remember when I used this for > the first time. It was > a royal pain. > What rules are you using now. You may have some conflicting rules. > Is the ipmasqadm stuff *Compiled* into your kernel? Should > be for CoyoteLinux. > Maybe it's a module? I've never used CoyoteLinux so I'm not sure. > There are LOTS of other reasons this won't work. > A little more info will be helpful. > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 13:39:58 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Items for Sale (Indy, Alpha, Sparc ELC) Message-ID: Well, I've been accumulating hardware that I'm probably never going to get around to using, so I'd like to get some of my money back out of it. I've got the following items for sale: 1) SGI Indy Workstation This is the Indy that I picked up as a demo unit when we were looking at purchasing a couple hundred. It's a R4600 133mhz. It came with 64mb ram, but I upgraded it to 128mb. It came with a 2gb SCSI hard drive, and I added another 2gb SCSI hard drive. It came with a 8-bit framebuffer, and I upgraded it to a 24-bit. (So, it includes both the 8-bit and the 24-bit!). Also includes 2 IndyCams that I purchased for it, a 17" SGI monitor, and a SGI keyboard + mouse. Pictures are at: http://www.natecarlson.com/phpPhotoAlbum/explorer.php?folder=sgi/ Please note that the CDROM is not included. IRIX 6.5 is installed on it, but it's NOT a licensed copy, and has a couple problems (caused by me, of course!). I've got a IRIX 5.3 CD that I'll include; not sure if it works or not. Here's a hinv from the box: [natecars@avenger]$ hinv CPU: MIPS R4600 Processor Chip Revision: 2.0 FPU: MIPS R4600 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 2.0 1 133 MHZ IP22 Processor Main memory size: 128 Mbytes Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes Data cache size: 16 Kbytes Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 On-board serial ports: 2 On-board bi-directional parallel port Graphics board: Indy 24-bit Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 Integral ISDN: Basic Rate Interface unit 0, revision 1.0 Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 4.1.0 Vino video: unit 0, revision 0, IndyCam connected 2) Digital Alpha XL 300 I picked this machine up off Ebay because I wanted a box to play with. It came with no hard drive; I put a 4gb narrow SCSI drive in there. Here's the system specs: Alpha 21164 300mhz processor 64mb memory 1x4gb SCSI Hard Drive Matrox Millenium PCI Video card Integrated 10BaseT Ethernet CD-Rom and Floppy Drive included a couple available pci and isa slots I have Debian installed on it right now; will install any Linux distribution you want that has an Alpha port, or wipe the drive clean. The box functions fine; only problem with it is the face plate is missing the clips that hold it on, so if you move the box around the faceplate will fall off. I don't have pictures of it right now, but if you want some, let me know, and I'll bring the digital camera into work. :) 3) Sun SparcStation ELC I've had this thing sitting at home for a couple years.. only problem with it is the fact that the battery is dead, so you have to manually set the hardware ethernet address, etc. on bootup. This is one of the old suns that's just a 17" B&W monitor with an integrated computer. No hard drive (it's supposed to netboot, or you can hook up an external hard drive); not sure how much memory is in it. Pricing: SGI - $350 Alpha - $250 SparcStation - Free! If you think my pricing is unreasonable, feel free to make an offer. :) I'll also be much more likely to take an offer for both the SGI and the Alpha. You may also be able to twist my arm into throwing a 10/100 PCI card in with the Alpha, so it could be used as a firewall/proxy, or whatever. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 6 13:56:12 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <3B1E389F.9F2558EB@mninter.net> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> <3B1E389F.9F2558EB@mninter.net> Message-ID: Shawn writes: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Dunno; hasn't happened to me yet. I've been running emacs since I > > started 20 years ago (running the original ITS emacs, written in TECO, > > on a TOPS-20 system under the "incompatibility package" which allows > > ITS programs to run on TOPS-20). I've used that, JOVE, Gosling, GNU, > > Epsilon, Emacs command mode in Borland's Sprint and Microsoft's Visual > > Studio, and at least one other version (for TOPS-10) that I can't > > remember. > > > > I've been able to find emacs-like editors on more classes of boxes > > than vi was available for, anyway. > > > Interesting point. Was just trying to make a statement that not all > boxes have emacs on them, but from what I've been able to discern vi is > always on a box. Not a slam mind you, just a point trying to bring up. > I couldn't navigate my way through emacs if I wanted to at this time as > I prefer and spcificly use vi. I know enough vi to do minimal editing; in particular I know how to exit :-). When I first looked for a DOS editor, for example, there were several emacs-compatible choices, and at least one major independent solution (Brief), but I don't recall seeing VI. There are certainly DOS VIs now, and I may just have missed them then. vi was very common on unix, and very rare elsewhere, in the 80's, is the way I remember it. Emacs variants seemed to be ubiquitous. (Oh, the one I couldn't remember for my list was probably FINE, which stads for Fine Is Not Emacs of course). As I'm sure you all know, vi is called that because it's short for "vile". -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Jun 6 13:56:56 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: <12c001c0eeb3$f770b7d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> <12c001c0eeb3$f770b7d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: "Mike Bresnahan" writes: > Visual Studio has an emacs mode? It did in 1998. Unless it was technically some other Microsoft C++ compiler package. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 6 14:02:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status of Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010605193804.B32717@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:24:29PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > The trouble with postponing is that it pushes us back toward th 4th of > > July. While I think a LUG 4th of July BBQ / Installfest somewhere would > > be really nifty -- we could sign a Declaration of Independence from > > Microsoft and have the (Boston) 10baseT-party -- it's likely to interfere > > with some folks real lives. For a second here I wasn't sure if I was subscribed to the right list. What's this about spending time in the big room? and folks with real lives? Anyway, I think a BBQ sounds like a fun deal, I don't know if I can make it but it still sounds fun. From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jun 6 13:14:44 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcpserver logs In-Reply-To: <20010603113402.C11639@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ive recently switched to using tcpserver to help with selective relaying for my mail server... Ive noticed that i am getting LOTS of entries like the following in my message log... im not exactly sure what is going on here.... i am chaos.sodatrian.com, and know nothing about mail.chsj23.org other that it belongs to Cathedral High School in St. Cloud... Did i miss something, and am i an open relay? I dont believe so... is someone spoofing this addr, and abusing my mail server under my eyes and i dont realize it? or am i (chaos) trying to connect to mail.chsj23.org... sorry for the ignorance, i dont really have a clue about tcpserver. thx Jun 3 17:22:52 chaos smtpd: 991603372.893650 tcpserver: status: 0/40 Jun 3 17:22:56 chaos smtpd: 991603376.508229 tcpserver: status: 1/40 Jun 3 17:22:56 chaos smtpd: 991603376.509026 tcpserver: pid 14690 from 204.221.246.57 Jun 3 17:22:56 chaos smtpd: 991603376.587363 tcpserver: ok 14690 chaos.sodatrain.com:209.251.64.127:25 mail.chsj23.org:204.221.246.57::3264 Jun 3 17:22:58 chaos smtpd: 991603378.906917 tcpserver: status: 2/40 [root@chaos log]# grep chsj23.org /var/log/messages | wc 4115 45265 579601 This is from June 3rd, untill now. I added this into my hosts.deny a few days ago... ALL: mail.chsj23.org -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 14:21:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP install of Slackware? In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:56:12PM -0500 References: <20010605123038.E4720@real-time.com> <991766921.3b1d29893a99a@www.luths.net> <120001c0ee02$3e553250$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010605142151.A9728@minime.sistina.com> <200106052219.RAA17454@gateway2.lawson.com> <3B1E389F.9F2558EB@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010606142115.B31430@real-time.com> > As I'm sure you all know, vi is called that because it's short for > "vile". actually, the version I heard was "thou shalt not use vi, for 'vi' is the root of 'evil'!" Am I evil?... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 14:31:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic post of file to webform In-Reply-To: <991833459.3b1e2d73d5f8f@mail.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:17:39AM -0500 References: <991833459.3b1e2d73d5f8f@mail.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010606143134.B32656@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > I'm looking for a perl script to automatically upload a file to a web form on > a remote web server running https. Anyone have any ideas? I know there are > some perl modules that will allow you to submit forms automatically, but > didn't know if they handled files or https. Plus I didn't want to reinvent the > wheel if someone already has something. > COS servlet API does it. One of the example servlets into the COS distribution does exactly this. But it's Java :-) http://www.servlets.com -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 14:34:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:24:33AM -0500 References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010606143432.D32656@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Everything from bullets in slides to formula discomboulation in Excell to page > break errors and tables being all out-of-whac in word. OpenOffice does these things much, much better. Snarf the latest milestone build and be impressed. :-) I especially like the fact that the default save format is xml! Now, if MS would save stuff in xml, then importing would be trivial. > Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that > takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not > a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the > lack of a decent processor. Tell us how you really feel! :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 6 14:36:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Items for Sale (Indy, Alpha, Sparc ELC) Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280884@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > SGI - $350 > Alpha - $250 > SparcStation - Free! > > If you think my pricing is unreasonable, feel free to make an > offer. :) I think you're a little high on the SparcStation. :) From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 6 14:46:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606143432.D32656@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > OpenOffice does these things much, much better. Snarf the latest milestone build > and be impressed. :-) OpenOffice is neat. So much less bloat, it's amazing. None of that desktop thing! > I especially like the fact that the default save format is xml! Now, if MS > would save stuff in xml, then importing would be trivial. You just gave the explenation for why Microsoft will never, ever do that (; > > Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that > Tell us how you really feel! :-P I was gonna say that (: -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 14:50:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606110642.A21402@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:06:42AM -0500 References: <20010606110642.A21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010606145045.H32656@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > Same with mozilla, christ people.. the bazaar exists so you can either > make or use *someone elses better code* if you think its better. Why > not extol your happiness that KOffice is great instead of bashing each > others applicatons. We have Idiot Ben and now Angry Scott. :-P Anymore nicknames I need to hand-out? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Jun 6 15:32:40 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606145045.H32656@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > We have Idiot Ben and now Angry Scott. :-P > > Anymore nicknames I need to hand-out? Fuut in muoot Zeebby. Bork Bork Bork! | Undrev S. Zbeekooski | Hume-a: 763.591.0977 | | http://vvv.reengvurld.oorg | Vurk: 763.428.9119 | | http://vvv.ituoothuoose-a.cum | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Seencleir: "Nu buum?" Gereebeldi: "Nu buum." | | Ifunufa: "Nu buum tudey. Buum tumurroo. | | Elveys a buum tumurroo." | Fun with chef filter....sorry! :) From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Jun 6 15:36:50 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2 over KDE or Gnome In-Reply-To: <20010606143432.D32656@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I especially like the fact that the default save format is xml! Now, if MS > would save stuff in xml, then importing would be trivial. Nah, they would find a way to do something totally evil like a biniary stream into XML so even though it is .xml you need MS Word if you want to see the biniary streamed objects. It's MS, they will find a way to comply with the standard (for check box marketing) but still be totally dependent on their software. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From dhanson2 at uswest.net Wed Jun 6 15:35:36 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Items for Sale (Indy, Alpha, Sparc ELC) References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280884@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <016f01c0eec8$51f6c2d0$eaaf7a81@doug> Any details on the Sparc? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Items for Sale (Indy, Alpha, Sparc ELC) > > SGI - $350 > > Alpha - $250 > > SparcStation - Free! > > > > If you think my pricing is unreasonable, feel free to make an > > offer. :) > > I think you're a little high on the SparcStation. :) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 16:02:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: More Items for Sale (Capture Board, Hub, SDSL Router) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All of the earlier is now sold. :) Also forgot about a couple other items I have sitting around (sheesh, when you start talking to people, you figure out all sorts of stuff!): - Pinnacle Systems Studio DC10plus Video Capture Board Untested, I bought it and then said "why the heck did I buy this?" Used, but should work fine. If not, full money-back guarantee, of course. Linux drivers are available on the 'net; will also work with 95/98, but apparently NOT 2000. Asking $50. - NetGear 4-port 10/100 autosensing hub, DS104 Works fine; I was using it for 6 months or so to connect my 10/100 network and the rest of the 10mbit hubs at home, but we replaced all the 10mbit with 10/100, so don't need it anymore. Asking $35. - FlowPoint 2200-10 SDSL Router Again, works fine; when Onvoy stopped offering DSL over Covad lines, we had to stop using this. Make sure your ISP requires a 2200-10 before buying this.. it varies. Asking $50. - Digi 24-port 10mbit hub This is one the hubs that was replaced above. :) 24 10baseT ports. Internal power supply, etc. Asking $30. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 16:04:17 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris on an Indigo -- Not what you think :-) Message-ID: <3B1E9AB5.39A6A3A3@eetc.com> My company has an Indigo E-print 1000+. One of the only ones still working in the world (I'm not kidding). It's a printer. One of the drives died so we got a new one - not from Indigo because they wanted a couple grand for a $80 drive. I'm trying to format it and mount it where it was before but I have no idea where to start. I tried format and checked out all the drives but they all seemed to be formatted. Do I need to make a filesystem on it now? Where are some good howto's/manuals for Solaris 5.4? Should I just wait and let the guy from Indigo do it? I don't think I'll mess anything up but the guy's gone for a while and we may need to use the printer immediately. No man pages (the directory was wiped or not even installed) and I have never used solaris. Identifies itself as SunOS 5.4 during bootup and Solaris 5.4 with update 6 in Open Windows. I have no idea what kind of Sun machine is running this printer but that's the OS. Any help or pointers would appreciated. sim From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 6 16:07:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Items for Sale (Indy, Alpha, Sparc ELC) In-Reply-To: <016f01c0eec8$51f6c2d0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > Any details on the Sparc? I'll post details when I get home.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 6 16:38:01 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Solaris on an Indigo -- Not what you think :-) References: <3B1E9AB5.39A6A3A3@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B1EA29B.249ECEE2@eetc.com> Sorry about not labeling this off topic. sim From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 17:30:38 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: Thanks -- was RE: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280881@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Since you are using coyote, isn't this info in their FAQ or the Forums on > www.coyotelinux.com? Actually, their docs are fairly formless, and not really very good, IMO. I did read them all, but it turns out that there was some legacy IPChains stuff running on the server box. Turns out that with everyone's help I've probably solved this problem half a dozen different ways over the course of the day! (I don't quite have it, but at least the problem is under control.) Thanks to everyone who pitched in and also to everyone who put up with a burst of list traffic. Maybe I'll get to thank some of you at the next beer meeting. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jun 6 18:17:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voice modems Message-ID: <20010606181732.A9056@sherohman.org> I've decided that the time has finally come for me to teach one of my home boxen to be an answering machine (and then some, of course). What's a good, linux-friendly modem to use for this sort of thing? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 6 19:25:11 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have A Name Yet References: Message-ID: <3B1EC9E7.2B7844E8@haxxed.com> Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it could use a cute name... For now you can find it at http://www.haxxed.com/hardware/ From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Wed Jun 6 19:24:26 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280880@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: So how do you folks feel about using an IDS like snort with Guardian. The IDS detects the attack, another tool auto blocks that IP from the host under attack. For a teeny site I don't think I would have to worry about getting reverse DDoSed, or do I? Thoughts? Josh ___SIG___ On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Snort (http://www.snort.org) is a good IDS system to use. It will log to a > database also, and you can report on the data using ACID > (http://acidlab.sourceforge.net). Apparently the latest version will > support more than just MySQL, I'll probably be installing it today sometime. > MySQL sucks on large databases (at least it did for me), and I'd like to > switch to something else. More attack sigs are available for snort at > http://www.whitehats.com/ids > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:21 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > Hm, 20/day is about what I get I think. I'm collecting stats, > > just haven't done > > much processing of them. Anyone logging ipchains DENYs for > > this (like me) might > > want to check out packet2sql > > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/packet2sql/). > > Pulls the ipchains lines out of log files and puts them in a > > SQL db. Should > > make analysis much easier, if I ever get around to it. > > > > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > > > I get scanned quite a bit on my DSL also, probably about 20 > > times a day. > > > That's nothing compared to one of my networks, over 6000 > > portscans a day > > > (some are dummy scans of course, but it's still alot). Fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:50 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. > > > > > > > > Quoting Brian : > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those > > requests are > > > > > asking > > > > > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of > > finding a > > > > > vulnerable > > > > > > NIS or NFS installation. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's > > > > using RPC? > > > > > Is > > > > > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports > > > > strewn about that > > > > > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm > > > > worried about on > > > > > my system. > > > > > > > > > > back to the original question on security, port scans > > are part of > > > > > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their > > port scanners > > > > > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just > > like in the > > > > > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > > > > > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, > > > > are you on a > > > > > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one > > > > even looked at > > > > > my > > > > > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large > > amounts of IP > > > > > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been > > > > targeting > > > > > FTP, > > > > > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at > > that point. > > > > > Real > > > > > bright ones, they are! :-) > > > > > > > > > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in > > hosts.deny lets me > > > > > sleep > > > > > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP > > > > requests on my > > > > > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid > > kiddies. Between > > > > > these > > > > > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup > > > > script to > > > > > make > > > > > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 6 19:57:30 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2, KDE, Gnome OT Visio References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B1ED17A.5060002@mn.rr.com> Seems like I am not the only one that the crappy weather of late is getting to. Speaking of MS apps, anyone had any luck getting Visio 2000 running with VMWare, WINE or Win4Lin? I need to be able to run Visio for work and booting into Windows just seems to suck what little intelligence I have left right out my head. My mind is like a FIFO as Linux goes in, Windows goes out. SG, O.S.D. Ben Lutgens wrote: > Star Office sucks. > > Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that > takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not > a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the > lack of a decent processor. > > > -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From jima at gimp.damnation.net Wed Jun 6 20:42:59 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have A Name Yet In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010606203718.02c25d30@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it > could use a cute name... I'll probably be shot for this, but how about "The TCLUG Trader?" *ducks reflexively* On a side note, is this strictly for hardware? How about services? Trade secondary DNS for a shell, et cetera. Just a thought. Maybe a bad one. Jima From wilson at visi.com Wed Jun 6 21:11:07 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grip and SCSI emulation Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm using SCSI emulation to enable CD-burning with my Plextor IDE burner. It works fine. Unfortunately, I'm now unable to rip tracks off a CD for subsequent encoding into MP3/Ogg. Running grip with the -v option produces: Calling CDPRip Unable to open cdrom drive; -v will give more information. The result is that grip goes throught the CD, ripping each track in about 2 sec. without really doing anything. FYI, /dev/cdrom -> /dev/sr0 which in turn -> scd0. Permissions on scd0 are 666. Any hints on getting this fixed up? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Jun 6 21:14:21 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting! Message-ID: Tomorrow June 7th, we'll be returning to Barley John's Brewpub in New Brighton. Hopefully it won't be raining so we can sit outside! Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there, ~jacque From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 6 21:22:57 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grip and SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010606212257.748390da.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I'm using SCSI emulation to enable CD-burning with my Plextor IDE > burner. It works fine. Unfortunately, I'm now unable to rip tracks off a > CD for subsequent encoding into MP3/Ogg. Running grip with the -v option > produces: [snip] > Any hints on getting this fixed up? You need the scsi generic driver (sg.o) to be loaded and have the correct permissions on /dev/sg0 (or whatever the proper number is). I ran into this problem the other day. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If ignorance is bliss, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ then why aren't more \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) people happy? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010606/500a6570/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Jun 6 21:14:21 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting! Message-ID: Tomorrow June 7th, we'll be returning to Barley John's Brewpub in New Brighton. Hopefully it won't be raining so we can sit outside! Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there, ~jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From wilson at visi.com Wed Jun 6 22:10:45 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grip and SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <20010606212257.748390da.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > You need the scsi generic driver (sg.o) to be loaded and have the correct > permissions on /dev/sg0 (or whatever the proper number is). I ran into > this problem the other day. Aha! I had the SCSI generic driver, but /dev/sg0 was 600. All's well now. Thanks Mike. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 6 23:34:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have A Name Yet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it > > could use a cute name... > > I'll probably be shot for this, but how about "The TCLUG Trader?" *ducks > reflexively* well, it DOES appear that THTFTTDHANY.org is available :-) if you say that fast, you can kinda here it, like someone who has their mouth propped open at the dentist,,,, "TCLUG trader" sounds cool, but wasn't there some discussion about whether this is a TCLUG thing or a couple geeks with an idea thing or something? Maybe "TC geek trader". No, we don't trade actual geeks, just geeky STUFF. TC hardware connection? I kinda like Jima's idea about services too, maybe a page for hardware and a page for services? Just some random thoughts before I scuttle off to bed. -Brian From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 6 23:58:36 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet References: Message-ID: <3B1F09FC.A4305910@haxxed.com> > "TCLUG trader" sounds cool, but wasn't there some discussion about whether > this is a TCLUG thing or a couple geeks with an idea thing or > something? Maybe "TC geek trader". No, we don't trade actual geeks, > just geeky STUFF. TC hardware connection? I kinda like Jima's idea about > services too, maybe a page for hardware and a page for services? Just > some random thoughts before I scuttle off to bed. Thats another thing I'll need ideas on when I get to it. What categorys we're going to want. But I figure initially I'll rely on word search. Hmmm. But for starters I gotta start laying out the DB. Where did I put that half written session manager... From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Jun 7 00:08:38 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet In-Reply-To: <3B1F09FC.A4305910@haxxed.com> Message-ID: How about the TCLUG Geek's Market, like the farmer's market but Geeky. That could cover goods and services. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:59 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have > AName Yet > > > > "TCLUG trader" sounds cool, but wasn't there some discussion > about whether > > this is a TCLUG thing or a couple geeks with an idea thing or > > something? Maybe "TC geek trader". No, we don't trade actual geeks, > > just geeky STUFF. TC hardware connection? I kinda like Jima's > idea about > > services too, maybe a page for hardware and a page for services? Just > > some random thoughts before I scuttle off to bed. > > Thats another thing I'll need ideas on when I get to it. What categorys > we're going to want. But I figure initially I'll rely on word search. > > Hmmm. But for starters I gotta start laying out the DB. Where did I put > that half written session manager... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jun 7 00:35:48 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2, KDE, Gnome OT Visio In-Reply-To: <3B1ED17A.5060002@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:57:30PM -0500 References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> <3B1ED17A.5060002@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010607003548.A3127@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:57:30PM -0500, Steve wrote: >Seems like I am not the only one that the crappy weather of late is getting to. > >Speaking of MS apps, anyone had any luck getting Visio 2000 running with VMWare, >WINE or Win4Lin? I need to be able to run Visio for work and booting into >Windows just seems to suck what little intelligence I have left right out my head. > >My mind is like a FIFO as Linux goes in, Windows goes out. Mine used to be. Then i contemplated supporting all those non-technichal people trying to run linux for the first time at work. Personally I'd rather the business people were productive at makeing Sistina Successful and rich, rather than having the have the mount, cp, and rm commands explained to them > >SG, O.S.D. > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >> Star Office sucks. >> >> Star Office needs to go away. It's a huge bloated useless pile of crap that >> takes up way to much space on harddrives. It's like a big teaser. Linux is not >> a desktop OS your grandma would want to use and it goes deeper than just the >> lack of a decent processor. >> >> >> > > >-- > >Yadda, yadda, yadda > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. MIS Geek / Gentoo Developer http://dolly-llama.org | http://www.gentoo.org/ | http://sistina.com/ Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010607/1869fcec/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jun 7 00:54:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628088C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> >For a teeny site I don't think I would have to worry about >getting reverse DDoSed, or do I? You do now that the whole list knows you run Guardian. :) Just kidding. Actually, if you do use guardian, set it up so it will only block shady things done through TCP. That way, you can be fairly sure that the attacker IP is not spoofed. TCP connect() scans are a good one to block on, and most format string vulnerabilities (just make sure it's not one that has a good chance of being a false positive). I don't use anything like Guardian, I just make sure that all of my stuff is patched for the vulnerabilities that snort looks for. As far as I'm concerned, I just get to collect more data for evidence by not blocking anything. :) And trust me, evidence comes in very handy, especially to Mr. FBI. From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jun 7 07:12:35 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet References: Message-ID: <3B1F6FB3.6490002B@structural-wood.com> Brian wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jima wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it > > > could use a cute name... > > > > I'll probably be shot for this, but how about "The TCLUG Trader?" *ducks > > reflexively* > > well, it DOES appear that THTFTTDHANY.org is available :-) if you say > that fast, you can kinda here it, like someone who has their mouth propped > open at the dentist,,,, > > "TCLUG trader" sounds cool, but wasn't there some discussion about whether > this is a TCLUG thing or a couple geeks with an idea thing or > something? Maybe "TC geek trader". No, we don't trade actual geeks, > just geeky STUFF. TC hardware connection? I kinda like Jima's idea about > services too, maybe a page for hardware and a page for services? Just > some random thoughts before I scuttle off to bed. > > -Brian > GeekStuff.org Maybe TCGeekStuff.org From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 7 08:25:21 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh on debian Message-ID: <20010607082520.A5570@beaver.iucha.org> Hello, I have installed last night a box with Debian. I have looked all places in "dselect" or on ftp.debian.org for openssh 2.9 . I have found only ssh-1.xxx Do you have any idea what should I do to get the latest version of ssh for debian? Thank you, florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 7 08:29:36 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh on debian In-Reply-To: <20010607082520.A5570@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: You could browse on over to openssh.org and get it directly. Josh ___SIG___ On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > I have installed last night a box with Debian. I have looked all places in > "dselect" or on ftp.debian.org for openssh 2.9 . > > I have found only ssh-1.xxx > > Do you have any idea what should I do to get the latest version of ssh for > debian? > > Thank you, > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Jun 7 07:28:24 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh on debian In-Reply-To: <20010607082520.A5570@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Do you have any idea what should I do to get the latest version of ssh for > debian? Compile it yourself. Use the source, Luke. I have openssh 2.5.2p2-2.1 and I run woody. The package name looks something like "ssh 1:2.5.2blahblahblah". The colon is a slight hack to make version numbers work the way the Debian people want them to. (I may be totally wrong about that) That version supports SSH protocol 2 and has sftp and all that. No need for the bleeding edge openssh (at least, not for me). Dan > > Thank you, > florin > > From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 7 08:37:13 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh on debian In-Reply-To: <20010607082520.A5570@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free as root: apt-get update apt-get install ssh done :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > I have installed last night a box with Debian. I have looked all places in > "dselect" or on ftp.debian.org for openssh 2.9 . > > I have found only ssh-1.xxx > > Do you have any idea what should I do to get the latest version of ssh for > debian? > > Thank you, > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOx+DistpDhsSpvgtAQH1yQP+KBc2N+PBmwrmrO7b7sQcMsJToGdBrl05 qgUiKP78l5Ljl6LzR2kb/VE9hXxW9rX9T9iDz3eKnnl5ekdtupHP7xu9lwEW3ZXC EFXKCUYkcXuXBke7pj/A7mxVjFYRQGAd4Vir84O6Rq5UCMhGH75Pa4SIJItcb9j9 akU+i/MmCgg= =qf0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Jun 7 07:37:52 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > All's well now. Unfortunately, not for me! I can rip CDs no problem, but cdrecord refuses to work. I have the SCSI emulation modules loaded, but when I do "cdrecord -scanbus" (as root) I get Cdrecord 1.10a18 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. Argh! I'm trying "cdrecord -scanbus"! And I *am* root! I must be missing something stupid. I'm driving out to New York next week and I *need* to burn some CDs or I will go insane (I'm not l337 enough to have an mp3 player in my car)! Dan BTW, I have the following (relevant) modules loaded: isofs 18064 0 (autoclean) sd_mod 10016 0 (unused) sg 20960 0 (unused) sr_mod 12768 0 (unused) ide-scsi 7712 0 ide-cd 26016 0 cdrom 27008 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] scsi_mod 51264 4 [sd_mod sg sr_mod ide-scsi] From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 7 08:46:25 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628088C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hmmm ok. First off let me mention the machine with snort+Guardian is at a different ISP so you would have to know where I'm connecting from to get my mail. I'd be fascinated if that sort of thing is possible without cracking the box the shell account is from. I'll just assume that the shell machine keeps some sort of record of where I come from. And actually, over an evening's sleep I've decided to not both with snort since I expect the firewalling software+ruleset is pretty darn good. There is a portsentry daemon taking requests on ftp,telnet,portmap, and netbios-*. It just watches for connect()s and creates routing rules to dump those folks off into lo1. I guess I just figure that snort+something will just take up cpu time that is better spent webserving. (mind you, I expose ssh,sftp,http,https,smtp&submission). I guess I figure that there are probably plenty of other hosts which are plenty more appealing. My one real vunerability would probably be from a cgi program but I'm pretty darn sure there's no simple way to crack that (it's a voter registration+political campaign info db) since I wrote it myself and made sure to protect it. Am I just being overly naiive or is this reasonable? I'm very new to internet security so what I know is gleaned from going through the recommended reading lists. Josh ___SIG___ On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > >For a teeny site I don't think I would have to worry about > >getting reverse DDoSed, or do I? > > You do now that the whole list knows you run Guardian. :) Just kidding. > Actually, if you do use guardian, set it up so it will only block shady > things done through TCP. That way, you can be fairly sure that the attacker > IP is not spoofed. TCP connect() scans are a good one to block on, and most > format string vulnerabilities (just make sure it's not one that has a good > chance of being a false positive). > > I don't use anything like Guardian, I just make sure that all of my stuff is > patched for the vulnerabilities that snort looks for. As far as I'm > concerned, I just get to collect more data for evidence by not blocking > anything. :) And trust me, evidence comes in very handy, especially to Mr. > FBI. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jun 7 08:53:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628088E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Looks like your burner is maybe not showing up as a scsi burner. It looks like you have the ide-cd module loaded. I think the burner will use the ATAPI stuff by default if it's there. When I compile my kernels to do scsi emulation, I don't even compile in ATAPI cdrom support at all. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Drake [mailto:drake@lemongecko.myip.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > All's well now. > > Unfortunately, not for me! > > I can rip CDs no problem, but cdrecord refuses to work. I > have the SCSI > emulation modules loaded, but when I do "cdrecord -scanbus" > (as root) I > get > > Cdrecord 1.10a18 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg > Schilling > cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. > cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make > sure you are > root. > > Argh! I'm trying "cdrecord -scanbus"! And I *am* root! > > I must be missing something stupid. > > I'm driving out to New York next week and I *need* to burn > some CDs or I > will go insane (I'm not l337 enough to have an mp3 player in my car)! > > Dan > > > > BTW, I have the following (relevant) modules loaded: > > isofs 18064 0 (autoclean) > sd_mod 10016 0 (unused) > sg 20960 0 (unused) > sr_mod 12768 0 (unused) > ide-scsi 7712 0 > ide-cd 26016 0 > cdrom 27008 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] > scsi_mod 51264 4 [sd_mod sg sr_mod ide-scsi] > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 7 09:30:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh on debian In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:37:13AM -0500 References: <20010607082520.A5570@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010607093020.A15917@beaver.iucha.org> That did the trick, thank you. I saw something like /^ssh-1/ and I was thinking maybe debian packages some old version of ssh. Of course I have searched for [Oo]pen(SSH|ssh). Oh well, "every village with it's custom".. florin On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:37:13AM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > as root: > apt-get update > apt-get install ssh > > done :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > I have installed last night a box with Debian. I have looked all places in > > "dselect" or on ftp.debian.org for openssh 2.9 . > > > > I have found only ssh-1.xxx > > > > Do you have any idea what should I do to get the latest version of ssh for > > debian? -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jun 7 09:43:30 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation Message-ID: The CD-Writing howto: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html explains how a lilo "append" statement is added to stop the CDRW drive from associating with the 'ide-cd' module and instead use 'ide-scsi' (if 'ide-cd' is compiled into the kernel). Otherwise your SCSI emulation modules will load but the CDRW doesn't use them. If 'ide-cd' loads as a module you will have to modify "/etc/conf.modules" (or something similar) and follow the HOWTO directions. This mostly worked for me, but it was using a stock redhat 6.2 kernel and one of the modules wouldn't load automatically for me (so I did it in "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" until I have time to bang on it some more, or better yet compile a custom kernel). HTH, Troy >>> austad@marketwatch.com 06/07/01 08:53AM >>> Looks like your burner is maybe not showing up as a scsi burner. It looks like you have the ide-cd module loaded. I think the burner will use the ATAPI stuff by default if it's there. When I compile my kernels to do scsi emulation, I don't even compile in ATAPI cdrom support at all. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Drake [mailto:drake@lemongecko.myip.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > All's well now. > > Unfortunately, not for me! > > I can rip CDs no problem, but cdrecord refuses to work. I > have the SCSI > emulation modules loaded, but when I do "cdrecord -scanbus" > (as root) I > get > > Cdrecord 1.10a18 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg > Schilling > cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. > cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make > sure you are > root. > > Argh! I'm trying "cdrecord -scanbus"! And I *am* root! > > I must be missing something stupid. > > I'm driving out to New York next week and I *need* to burn > some CDs or I > will go insane (I'm not l337 enough to have an mp3 player in my car)! > > Dan > > > > BTW, I have the following (relevant) modules loaded: > > isofs 18064 0 (autoclean) > sd_mod 10016 0 (unused) > sg 20960 0 (unused) > sr_mod 12768 0 (unused) > ide-scsi 7712 0 > ide-cd 26016 0 > cdrom 27008 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] > scsi_mod 51264 4 [sd_mod sg sr_mod ide-scsi] > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Jun 7 10:01:20 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have A Name Yet In-Reply-To: <3B1EC9E7.2B7844E8@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:25:11PM -0500 References: <3B1EC9E7.2B7844E8@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010607100120.A28195@iaxs.net> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:25:11PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it > could use a cute name... > > For now you can find it at http://www.haxxed.com/hardware/ I can't get this to work as of 9:45AM on Thursday - anyone else having problems with it? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 10:03:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet In-Reply-To: <20010607100120.A28195@iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:25:11PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Alright, trying to get my ass in gear on this thing. For starters it > > could use a cute name... > > > > For now you can find it at http://www.haxxed.com/hardware/ > > I can't get this to work as of 9:45AM on Thursday - anyone else having > problems with it? It doesn't show up here either. For another name suggestion, how about putersmith.org? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From joel at luths.net Thu Jun 7 10:31:06 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280880@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280880@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <991927866.3b1f9e3a7ef5b@www.luths.net> I forgot about snort. Downloaded it a while ago, haven't installed it. Much on the to-do list. Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > Snort (http://www.snort.org) is a good IDS system to use. It will log > to a > database also, and you can report on the data using ACID > (http://acidlab.sourceforge.net). Apparently the latest version will > support more than just MySQL, I'll probably be installing it today > sometime. > MySQL sucks on large databases (at least it did for me), and I'd like to > switch to something else. More attack sigs are available for snort at > http://www.whitehats.com/ids > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:21 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > Hm, 20/day is about what I get I think. I'm collecting stats, > > just haven't done > > much processing of them. Anyone logging ipchains DENYs for > > this (like me) might > > want to check out packet2sql > > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/packet2sql/). > > Pulls the ipchains lines out of log files and puts them in a > > SQL db. Should > > make analysis much easier, if I ever get around to it. > > > > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > > > I get scanned quite a bit on my DSL also, probably about 20 > > times a day. > > > That's nothing compared to one of my networks, over 6000 > > portscans a day > > > (some are dummy scans of course, but it's still alot). Fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:50 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Security > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm running DSL and I get *lots* of scans. > > > > > > > > Quoting Brian : > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah. They're talking to portmap, not telnetd. Those > > requests are > > > > > asking > > > > > > about available RPC services, most likely in hopes of > > finding a > > > > > vulnerable > > > > > > NIS or NFS installation. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I've heard of exploits on RPC, now I'm curious. What's > > > > using RPC? > > > > > Is > > > > > it just NIS and NFS? I've heard of tons of RPC ports > > > > strewn about that > > > > > can be exploited, it's the only remaining port that I'm > > > > worried about on > > > > > my system. > > > > > > > > > > back to the original question on security, port scans > > are part of > > > > > life. Kiddies all over the internet like to run their > > port scanners > > > > > because they're HACKERS and they're unstoppable! just > > like in the > > > > > movie! *rolls eyes* Just make sure you aren't running anything > > > > > unnecessary, like xfs, nis, nfs, etc. Out of curiosity, > > > > are you on a > > > > > cable modem? I've noticed that when I was on DSL no one > > > > even looked at > > > > > my > > > > > box but on cable in the last week I've collected large > > amounts of IP > > > > > addresses probing away at my firewall. They've mainly been > > > > targeting > > > > > FTP, > > > > > which is odd, since I hadn't had ftpd up and running at > > that point. > > > > > Real > > > > > bright ones, they are! :-) > > > > > > > > > > tcp wrappers do a pretty good job, an ALL:ALL in > > hosts.deny lets me > > > > > sleep > > > > > at night anyway. I also have a policy of denying ICMP > > > > requests on my > > > > > outside interface just to thwart the really stupid > > kiddies. Between > > > > > these > > > > > two I feel relatively secure. Then just check your startup > > > > script to > > > > > make > > > > > sure you aren't running anything you don't need to be. > > > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 7 11:27:41 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > > I can't get this to work as of 9:45AM on Thursday - anyone else having > > problems with it? Weird... it worked last night, now this morning it's gone. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 7 11:58:34 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA serial port Message-ID: I have an older laptop that I need to set up as a single use type workstation. Problem: I need 2 serial ports, this laptop's got 1. A docking station really isn't an answer here, has anyone ever heard of a PCMCIA card that will add a serial port? If so, I need to find one. Thanks! -Brian From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jun 7 12:26:23 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris on an Indigo -- Figured it out. References: <3B1E9AB5.39A6A3A3@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B1FB927.BAF91F7B@eetc.com> Never mind. I got it working after calling one of the reps at Indigo. Very simple apparently. They have a automatic script and everything is was very easy. I also discovered I don't really like Solaris 5.4 after a very breaf encounter. :-) I wonder if it would void the contract if I installed Linux. ;-) sim Simeon Johnston wrote: > My company has an Indigo E-print 1000+. One of the only ones still > working in the world (I'm not kidding). It's a printer. > One of the drives died so we got a new one - not from Indigo because > they wanted a couple grand for a $80 drive. I'm trying to format it and > mount it where it was before but I have no idea where to start. > I tried format and checked out all the drives but they all seemed to be > formatted. Do I need to make a filesystem on it now? Where are some > good howto's/manuals for Solaris 5.4? > Should I just wait and let the guy from Indigo do it? I don't think > I'll mess anything up but the guy's gone for a while and we may need to > use the printer immediately. > No man pages (the directory was wiped or not even installed) and I have > never used solaris. > Identifies itself as SunOS 5.4 during bootup and Solaris 5.4 with update > 6 in Open Windows. I have no idea what kind of Sun machine is running > this printer but that's the OS. > Any help or pointers would appreciated. > > sim From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jun 7 12:25:32 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010607122532.2cc563c9.blayer@qwest.net> Hi, I can tell you for a fact that your IDE-SCSI emulation is not working.. read your dmesg and I'm sure that you will see that your CD-RW is being enumerated as a simple /dev/hd? (IDE) device, not a SCSI device. On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:37:52 -0400 (EDT) "Dan Drake" wrote: > > BTW, I have the following (relevant) modules loaded: > > isofs 18064 0 (autoclean) > sd_mod 10016 0 (unused) > sg 20960 0 (unused) > sr_mod 12768 0 (unused) > ide-scsi 7712 0 > ide-cd 26016 0 > cdrom 27008 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] > scsi_mod 51264 4 [sd_mod sg sr_mod ide-scsi] I"m not aware that IDE-SCSI emulation works properly when loaded as a module. In all of my CD burning applications, I have both IDE-SCSI emulation and SCSI Generic support built into the kernel. A kernel boot parameter is added to the /etc/lilo.conf which tells the ide-cdrom driver to ignore the cdrom drive, so that the IDE-SCSI emulation can pick it up & enumerate it as a SCSI device. This boot parameter can also me entered manually at the LILO boot: prompt, but there is really no sense in doing this. IDE-SCSI emulation works perfectly, and I have both of my cdrom drives running as SCSI 100% of the time, just to make things more consistent. Please rebuilt your kernel with 'Y' to SCSI Generic and 'Y' to IDE-SCSI emulation, add the appropriate lies to your /etc/lilo.conf, and I think your problems will be solved, The read-only cdrom drive is /dev/hdc and the CD-RW drive is /dev/hdd. Here is a snip from my /etc/lilo.config file that shows the form of the boot parameters: # Production kernel configuration begins image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/hde2 label = Linux append = "hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi" #SCSI emulation support. read-only # Production kernel configuration ends And here is a snip from my dmesg, where you can see the CD drives being enumerated as SCSI devices: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: E-IDE Model: CD-ROM 36X/AKU Rev: U21I Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW2100E Rev: 1.0K Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/36x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Finally, here is the output of my cdrecord -scanbus: bash-2.04$ cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 1.9 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J?rg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.17 Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' scsibus0: cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page. 0,0,0 0) 'E-IDE ' 'CD-ROM 36X/AKU ' 'U21I' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E ' '1.0K' Removable CD-ROM 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * bash-2.04$ Until you see these kind of boot messages, cdrecord -scanbus will always come up empty-handed, and burning CD-RW will be impossible. I hope this helps. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 12:42:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 2 cables Message-ID: Any particular favorite local suppliers for the above (the micro 50-pin connectors)? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 7 12:53:25 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA serial port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > I have an older laptop that I need to set up as a single use type > workstation. Problem: I need 2 serial ports, this laptop's got 1. A > docking station really isn't an answer here, has anyone ever heard of a > PCMCIA card that will add a serial port? If so, I need to find > one. Thanks! PCMCIA USB card and a USB<-> serial dongle. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 7 12:54:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 2 cables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Any particular favorite local suppliers for the above (the micro 50-pin > connectors)? My boxes of various junk might have a few at home. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 12:59:41 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA serial port In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:58:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010607125941.A21949@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:58:34AM -0500, Brian wrote: > I have an older laptop that I need to set up as a single use type > workstation. Problem: I need 2 serial ports, this laptop's got 1. A > docking station really isn't an answer here, has anyone ever heard of a > PCMCIA card that will add a serial port? If so, I need to find > one. Thanks! Yes, they exist - though I've never used one. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=serial+pcmcia -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jun 7 13:52:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap servers! Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628089E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=40&threadid=457398 $500 for a Gateway PIII 933 w/ 128MB ram and a 9GB SCSI drive. Make sure you choose the $400 off option, and lower the support to 1 year to get that price. Not too shabby. Jay From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 14:43:50 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting screws Message-ID: Does someone know what the spec are for typical drive mounting screws? I mean like #6-40 X 1/4. I don't have a thread gauge handy. Thanks. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 7 15:04:03 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ntpd size Message-ID: <20010607150403.A4474@beaver.iucha.org> While I was waiting for something to compile I ran a top on my new debian box and something caught my attention: root 256 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:01 /usr/sbin/ntpd root 258 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd root 260 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd ^^^^ ^^^^ while on my OpenBSD/sparc box: root 1185 0.0 0.4 672 236 ?? Ss 2:52PM 0:00.15 /usr/local/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.p ^^^ ^^^ Why the heck ntpd needs 3 threads and 4 MB of RAM? This is on a 64MB RAM box and I cannot afford 4 MB only for a process that's supposed to send some datagrams and compute time. Geez! [I know what the price for 256MB DIMM is but I need SIMMS ;-( - if anybody wants to trade some 16/32MB SIMMS for 4/8 please let me know 8) ] florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 7 15:09:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap servers! In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A628089E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=40&threadid=457398 > > $500 for a Gateway PIII 933 w/ 128MB ram and a 9GB SCSI drive. Make sure > you choose the $400 off option, and lower the support to 1 year to get that > price. Not too shabby. And I'm utterly unable to convince myself to buy one for at home. :( If only they had an AGP slot.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From steveg at transition.com Thu Jun 7 15:18:56 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ntpd size Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF49@postman.transition.com> General Nano has 32MB SIMMS for $60, and 16MB for $30. Seems like a lot of money but I was surprised that they still carry 'em. I know what the price for 256MB DIMM is but I need SIMMS ;-( - if anybody wants to trade some 16/32MB SIMMS for 4/8 please let me know 8) ] florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at luths.net Thu Jun 7 15:46:02 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap servers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991946762.3b1fe80a1d4f4@www.luths.net> Hmm. Anyone know about Linux compatibility with the ServerWorks III chipset Though I think I'd rather have a configged PPro 200 for about $100. Quoting Nate Carlson : > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=40&threadid=457398 > > > > $500 for a Gateway PIII 933 w/ 128MB ram and a 9GB SCSI drive. Make > sure > > you choose the $400 off option, and lower the support to 1 year to get > that > > price. Not too shabby. > > And I'm utterly unable to convince myself to buy one for at home. :( If > only they had an AGP slot.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 7 15:41:43 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ntpd size In-Reply-To: <20010607150403.A4474@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yikes.. I don't know why your NTP server is that big.. or why you have three of them. our redhat 6.2 systems: (xntp3-5.93-14) root 342 0.0 0.3 1364 1364 ? SL May16 0:00 xntpd -A a debian system: (ntpd versoin 5.0.99g) root 308 0.0 0.6 1556 1548 ? SL May14 0:44 /usr/sbin/ntpd Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > While I was waiting for something to compile I ran a top on my new > debian box and something caught my attention: > > root 256 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:01 /usr/sbin/ntpd > root 258 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd > root 260 0.0 5.0 3928 3920 ? SL 13:44 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd > ^^^^ ^^^^ > while on my OpenBSD/sparc box: > > root 1185 0.0 0.4 672 236 ?? Ss 2:52PM 0:00.15 /usr/local/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.p > ^^^ ^^^ > > Why the heck ntpd needs 3 threads and 4 MB of RAM? > > This is on a 64MB RAM box and I cannot afford 4 MB only for a process > that's supposed to send some datagrams and compute time. > > Geez! > > [I know what the price for 256MB DIMM is but I need SIMMS ;-( - if > anybody wants to trade some 16/32MB SIMMS for 4/8 please let me know 8) ] > > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOx/nCMtpDhsSpvgtAQH++wP+MriXZFXEpLsm6NMlR3V51+UISE64Ql21 WkGxQgHGXyKoxIqgX0uAR0lsjTFJY2V8it99EXzbLCZJgH6wX0H+Rv7ZU+cdce+g Z55f53X+5dCznIrgpiAOqpxSUNy3gV9wb70goCWuogfcYFiziFHKQf/diRuzYfmu K1ZCsbB8RD0= =pha+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 7 15:43:14 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap servers! In-Reply-To: <991946762.3b1fe80a1d4f4@www.luths.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have 2 Dell servers (2450) that use serverworks, and run great.. not exactly standard listing for devices, but here's what lspci says: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Relience Computer CNB20HE (rev 05) 00:00.1 Host bridge: Relience Computer CNB20HE (rev 05) 00:02.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-294x / AIC-7884U (rev 01) 00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC (rev 7a) 00:0f.0 ISA bridge: Relience Computer: Unknown device 0200 (rev 50) 00:0f.1 IDE interface: Relience Computer: Unknown device 0211 00:0f.2 USB Controller: Relience Computer: Unknown device 0220 (rev 04) 01:02.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation: Unknown device 0962 (rev 02) 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7899P (rev 01) 02:04.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7899P (rev 01) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > Hmm. Anyone know about Linux compatibility with the ServerWorks III chipset > Though I think I'd rather have a configged PPro 200 for about $100. > > Quoting Nate Carlson : > > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=40&threadid=457398 > > > > > > $500 for a Gateway PIII 933 w/ 128MB ram and a 9GB SCSI drive. Make > > sure > > > you choose the $400 off option, and lower the support to 1 year to get > > that > > > price. Not too shabby. > > > > And I'm utterly unable to convince myself to buy one for at home. :( If > > only they had an AGP slot.. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOx/nY8tpDhsSpvgtAQGinwQAxny4Fp5IxbgHzmnilSLSzP9YYiLWNncS ghsM4HbA0pPkELnyO29lPz76ANcO4s0Ul6feifxxrdFFHoxboUJzoz1dTUzAUIL7 DS4yrDyYgUeZnmlJ0asTlm6iemAas0pVSfx0UzmJEI359LwLkgb6BvM3Eak6v9TX aypq6b6Igsk= =qOGz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy at theasis.com Thu Jun 7 15:55:22 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIMMS (was ntpd size) In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF49@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: I can bring a bag of 8s (72-pin) to the beer meeting tonite, if that'll help you replace your 4s. Let me know so I don't forget. Andy > General Nano has 32MB SIMMS for $60, and 16MB for $30. Seems like a lot of > money but I was surprised that they still carry 'em. > > > > I know what the price for 256MB DIMM is but I need SIMMS ;-( - if > anybody wants to trade some 16/32MB SIMMS for 4/8 please let me know 8) ] > > florin > > From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 7 15:58:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ntpd size In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:41:43PM -0500 References: <20010607150403.A4474@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010607155822.A32045@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:41:43PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > yikes.. I don't know why your NTP server is that big.. or why you have > three of them. > > our redhat 6.2 systems: (xntp3-5.93-14) > root 342 0.0 0.3 1364 1364 ? SL May16 0:00 xntpd -A > > a debian system: (ntpd versoin 5.0.99g) > root 308 0.0 0.6 1556 1548 ? SL May14 0:44 /usr/sbin/ntpd > On a redhat 7.1 system: root 550 0.0 0.7 1980 1972 ? SL 13:44 0:00 ntpd with ntp-4.0.99k-15 I did a "dpkg -l ntp" on the debian box: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii ntp 4.0.99g-3 Daemon and utilities for full NTP v4 timekee It is configured as apt did: I did not touch the file. Where did you got ntp-5.0.99? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mjn at umn.edu Thu Jun 7 16:21:34 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP/Apache question... Message-ID: And a stupid one at that. I have an Apache webserver with PHP compiled -apxs. My question is this: I have a request from someone to add an include_path for php but I haven't been able to figure it out. According to the docs, because of how it was compiled, this should be done in the httpd.conf but I am clueless as to what the comparable apache config token would be...anyone know? I am sure it is easy but i am sure I don't know the answer... Thanks. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From joel at luths.net Thu Jun 7 16:46:34 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP/Apache question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991950394.3b1ff63a222fb@www.luths.net> Maybe in your php.ini? I have this in my (4.0.4pl1) php.ini: include_path = "/usr/local/lib/php:."; UNIX: "/path1:/path2" Windows: "\path1;\path2" I don't have an include_path in my httpd.conf. Quoting mjn : > And a stupid one at that. > > I have an Apache webserver with PHP compiled -apxs. My question is > this: > > I have a request from someone to add an include_path for php but I > haven't > been able to figure it out. According to the docs, because of how it > was > compiled, this should be done in the httpd.conf but I am clueless as to > what the comparable apache config token would be...anyone know? I am > sure > it is easy but i am sure I don't know the answer... > > Thanks. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jun 7 16:40:14 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP/Apache question... Message-ID: The 'include_path' is a directive destined for your "php.ini" file, wherever that is located, not "httpd.conf". >>> mjn@umn.edu 06/07/01 04:21PM >>> And a stupid one at that. I have an Apache webserver with PHP compiled -apxs. My question is this: I have a request from someone to add an include_path for php but I haven't been able to figure it out. According to the docs, because of how it was compiled, this should be done in the httpd.conf but I am clueless as to what the comparable apache config token would be...anyone know? I am sure it is easy but i am sure I don't know the answer... Thanks. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 7 16:54:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIMMS (was ntpd size) In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:55:22PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF49@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010607165451.B32045@beaver.iucha.org> Thanks, but I have some 8s... I was looking for 16s :) On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:55:22PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > I can bring a bag of 8s (72-pin) to the beer meeting tonite, if that'll > help you replace your 4s. Let me know so I don't forget. > > Andy > > > General Nano has 32MB SIMMS for $60, and 16MB for $30. Seems like a lot of > > money but I was surprised that they still carry 'em. And with $60 you get 256 ECC /Registered. No thanks florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mjn at umn.edu Thu Jun 7 17:03:36 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP/Apache question... In-Reply-To: <991950394.3b1ff63a222fb@www.luths.net> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2001 joel@luths.net said something like: > Maybe in your php.ini? I have this in my (4.0.4pl1) php.ini: > > include_path = "/usr/local/lib/php:."; UNIX: "/path1:/path2" > Windows: "\path1;\path2" > > I don't have an include_path in my httpd.conf. > I have already considered this but the problem is I have no php.ini. Apache starts just fine and a call to phpinfo() works as well and even displays a path to the configuration file. According to the php documentation: "When using PHP as an Apache module, you can also change the configuration settings using directives in Apache configuration files and .htaccess files. With PHP 3.0, there are Apache directives that correspond to each configuration setting in the php3.ini name, except the name is prefixed by "php3_"." It seems that when php is compiled as an apache module(-apxs) no php.ini is created(I have updated the locate DB and search many times). I have created a php.ini file in my Configuration File Path and restarted Apache. That file is not being read though...or so it appears. include_path is listed as .:/usr/local/lib/php and does not include the path i have specified... Any other ideas? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Jun 7 17:18:51 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting screws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: M3 for 5 1/4 bays, 6-32 for 3 1/2 bays -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] mounting screws Does someone know what the spec are for typical drive mounting screws? I mean like #6-40 X 1/4. I don't have a thread gauge handy. Thanks. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 7 17:24:18 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ddos of grc Message-ID: <3B1FFF12.4040509@mn.rr.com> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm I stumbled across this today, I don't know how many of you may have seen it but I thought it was worth posting. SG, O.S.D. -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jun 7 17:24:38 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP/Apache question... Message-ID: >>> mjn@UMN.EDU 06/07/01 05:03PM >>> >I have created a php.ini file in my Configuration File Path >and restarted Apache. That file is not being read though... >or so it appears. Have you made sure that the "php.ini" file you created can be read as the user apache eventually runs as ('nobody' I think on red hat)? From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 17:28:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting screws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks -- that's the ticket. On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > M3 for 5 1/4 bays, 6-32 for 3 1/2 bays > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] mounting screws > > Does someone know what the spec are for typical drive mounting screws? I > mean like #6-40 X 1/4. I don't have a thread gauge handy. Thanks. > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 7 17:34:21 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office 5.2, KDE, Gnome OT Visio References: <20010606.11543800@LinWin.MShome> <20010606082432.A24575@minime.sistina.com> <3B1ED17A.5060002@mn.rr.com> <20010607003548.A3127@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B20016D.9090305@mn.rr.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:57:30PM -0500, Steve wrote: > >>Seems like I am not the only one that the crappy weather of late is getting to. >> >>Speaking of MS apps, anyone had any luck getting Visio 2000 running with VMWare, >>WINE or Win4Lin? I need to be able to run Visio for work and booting into >>Windows just seems to suck what little intelligence I have left right out my head. >> >>My mind is like a FIFO as Linux goes in, Windows goes out. >> > > Mine used to be. Then i contemplated supporting all those non-technichal > people trying to run linux for the first time at work. Personally I'd rather > the business people were productive at makeing Sistina Successful and rich, > rather than having the have the mount, cp, and rm commands explained to them > I agree, I was in no way suggesting that everyone should be running Linux. -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Jun 7 16:45:33 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation - fixed! In-Reply-To: <20010607122532.2cc563c9.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > I can tell you for a fact that your IDE-SCSI emulation is not working.. > read your dmesg and I'm sure that you will see that your CD-RW is being > enumerated as a simple /dev/hd? (IDE) device, not a SCSI device. Ah, yes it is... Bingo! That's the secret, making sure your kernel doesn't know anything about IDE cdroms, so that it only uses the SCSI emulation. Thanks, everyone! Dan From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jun 7 18:28:49 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. References: Message-ID: <3B200E31.333684A0@haxxed.com> Here, just to cheer up Bob a bit, maybe: http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html They're way overreacting, but still, its negative, and its The Wall Street Journal. From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jun 7 20:01:38 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. Message-ID: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> They are getting to be some nasty cowboys at MS. The writer of the article suggested the new MS browser could edit another's web page ?? But it seemed more like the browser just kept trying to redirect the user ?? The internet is going over to high speed junkies. Simple, thoughtful communications is giving way to thrill seekers. Maybe MS is introducing a new stage in interactive web?? -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [SMTP:seg@haxxed.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. Here, just to cheer up Bob a bit, maybe: http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html They're way overreacting, but still, its negative, and its The Wall Street Journal. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jun 7 20:00:29 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burners and SCSI emulation - fixed! In-Reply-To: References: <20010607122532.2cc563c9.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010607200029.6ecda08f.blayer@qwest.net> Hi, On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:45:33 -0400 (EDT) "Dan Drake" wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > I can tell you for a fact that your IDE-SCSI emulation is not working.. > > read your dmesg and I'm sure that you will see that your CD-RW is being > > enumerated as a simple /dev/hd? (IDE) device, not a SCSI device. > > Ah, yes it is... > > > > Bingo! > That's the secret, making sure your kernel doesn't know anything about > IDE cdroms, so that it only uses the SCSI emulation. Not necessary.. I have the IDE CD-ROM driver built-in, and I have never had a problem with SCSI emulation. Not sure why you might.. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 7 21:31:45 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: IE 5.something does introduce a nifty something or other that allows for online rich text editing. I figure it's mostly useful as a component of a MSized content management system. I do wish there were a generalized java applet that would do that. Lotus has a nice editor applet but alas, it's proprietary to lotus. The idea is they use it to allow for more notes-ish stuff to happen via the web. Nifty stuff all around. (then again, I *am* a domino developer so I'm biased) Josh ___SIG___ On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > They are getting to be some nasty cowboys at MS. The writer of the article > suggested the new MS browser could edit another's web page ?? But it > seemed more like the browser just kept trying to redirect the user ?? > > The internet is going over to high speed junkies. Simple, thoughtful > communications is giving way to thrill seekers. Maybe MS is introducing a > new stage in interactive web?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [SMTP:seg@haxxed.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:29 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. > > Here, just to cheer up Bob a bit, maybe: > > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html > > They're way overreacting, but still, its negative, and its The Wall > Street Journal. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 21:40:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> References: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20010607214021.2dd2b794.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Rick Engebretson wrote: > > They are getting to be some nasty cowboys at MS. The writer of the > article suggested the new MS browser could edit another's web page ?? > But it seemed more like the browser just kept trying to redirect the > user ?? Yeah, to me, it looks a lot like MSNBC's thing where you can ``click on a word -- any word -- and get the definition.'' I know that software was widely touted as spyware (I think Newsweek even had an article on it). This stuff is probably the same. I guess the C|Net article on the same subject said that Microsoft was not the only organization that could do this. Supposedly, you can do the same thing on your intranet, though I don't think I know of many organizations that would have much use for it. I wonder what sort of a link Microsoft makes for `Linux' ;-) Still, this does have echoes of `1984,' and they did manage to piss off The Journal, so who knows what the future holds for MS. I've haven't been in an active Linux Advocate mode for some time, mostly due to concerns about how most distributions leave far too many services open. I installed RedHat 7.1 on a system today and was happy to see that it included some pretty good firewalling rules (though it still turned on a lot of services, but they were only available to localhost). If I hear more strange noises coming from that corner of the continent, I think I'm going to become much more active about getting Linux going wherever possible. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ General Failure reading / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ John Dvorak \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010607/1a7aef67/attachment.pgp From andyzib at ringworld.org Thu Jun 7 21:54:26 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. References: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> <20010607214021.2dd2b794.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B203E62.8947D3E0@ringworld.org> Control the Desktop OS - check Control the browsing platform - check Control lobyists and juges - check Control databases and information - check Control what people WANT - check. Control overpopulation, check (http://bbspot.com/News/2001/06/xbox.html) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2265 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010607/a22716f3/andyzib.vcf From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 22:14:08 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bridging Firewall filtering by MAC address? Message-ID: <20010607221408.32798678.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I'm curious if anyone out there knows if it's possible to put together a bridging firewall in Linux or *BSD that can have a list of MAC addresses to permit through the bridge, and all others would be dropped. Actually, it would be preferable to be able to filter based on MAC address and by what ethernet port it came in on. I think most bridging firewall patches I've seen will only allow you to filter the bridge as one big chunk, rather than by interface, but I may be mistaken. Note that an ethernet bridge usually bypasses the TCP/IP stack (I think bridging works at a lower layer in the standard Taco Bell model than most filtering systems), so special patches would probably be required for it to work. At work, we need to be able to filter out some wireless traffic. The 802.11 bridges can supposedly do this, but there are several of them, and keeping the allowed addresses in sync could be a pain. Additionally, the wireless bridges we have only have a small amount of memory, so large tables could pose a problem. If worse comes to worse, I imagine we'll just have to carve out a new subnet. Filtering on an actual router appears to be much easier than on a bridge. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Computer Lie #1: You'll / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ never use all that disk \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) space. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010607/736689d2/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Thu Jun 7 22:15:00 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm not able to run any GUI apps as root on my Debian (sid) system. I want to try the latest Mozilla 0.9.1 net installer, but I get the following message (I also see it when I try to run xcdroast): copland:/home/wilson/tmp/mozilla-installer# ./mozilla-installer Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 Hints? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 22:23:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm not able to run any GUI apps as root on my Debian (sid) system. I want > to try the latest Mozilla 0.9.1 net installer, but I get the following > message (I also see it when I try to run xcdroast): > > copland:/home/wilson/tmp/mozilla-installer# ./mozilla-installer > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 Are you logged in as you and then su-ing to root? If so, I think X thinks that someone else owns the display. When I've seen this, usually actually logging in a root has been a fix. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From wilson at visi.com Thu Jun 7 22:40:18 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Are you logged in as you and then su-ing to root? If so, I think X thinks > that someone else owns the display. When I've seen this, usually actually > logging in a root has been a fix. Thanks Phil. That did it. Is there something I can fix that would allow me to su and run GUI apps? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 7 22:41:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010607224103.3ae4f2d6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I'm not able to run any GUI apps as root on my Debian (sid) system. I > want to try the latest Mozilla 0.9.1 net installer, but I get the > following message (I also see it when I try to run xcdroast): > > copland:/home/wilson/tmp/mozilla-installer# ./mozilla-installer > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 > > Hints? You probably need to muck with xauth. I'm not an expert on it, though this has usually worked for me: As the user who `owns' the X session, do `xauth list' and look for the cookie being used by your current session (should look like : and/or /unix:). Then, su or otherwise log in as root or any other user. Type in `xauth add ' and then cut-n-paste the appropriate cookie lines (the whole line, not just the cookie or anything). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010607/c129ce84/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 7 23:53:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wow! Positive linux press! Message-ID: <20010607235340.F15895@real-time.com> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-06-007-20-PR-DP-HE -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzib at ringworld.org Fri Jun 8 00:01:48 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root References: <20010607224103.3ae4f2d6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B205C3C.1FEF8E92@ringworld.org> Use sudo. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I moved it over to http://www.haxxed.com/trader/ And I managed to get my account/session tracking system grafted on. Far more stuff hardwired than I thought. But nothing more yet. Heh... From sbernsen at innoveda.com Fri Jun 8 08:35:01 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root References: <20010607224103.3ae4f2d6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B20D485.302B270D@innoveda.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'm not able to run any GUI apps as root on my Debian (sid) system. I > > want to try the latest Mozilla 0.9.1 net installer, but I get the > > following message (I also see it when I try to run xcdroast): > > > > copland:/home/wilson/tmp/mozilla-installer# ./mozilla-installer > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 Before you su run "xhost +". If you've already su'ed, you can run xhost + in another window and it should also work. Then make sure your DISPLAY environment variable is set correctly, for csh: setenv DISPLAY :0.0 If your on the console, I believe :0.0 will probably work, but :0.0 will definitely work. I guarantee (almost) this will work. -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 8 08:47:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games Order Message-ID: Hey, Ok, people. So far, out of around 30 people who initially registered, only 14 still want any games. In fact, only about 16 people even replied. I was going to close the whole thing off on Monday, and send the listover to Loki, but we don't have 10 of any title anymore. Also, Loki hve informed me that the games which we don't have prices for cannot be ordered yet. If you were taking your time and thinking "I'll confirm the thing later" and now it's buried under 200 Emails, PLEASE dig it out and reply! Thanks, -Yaron -- From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 8 08:47:20 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: ASCI please (was: Re: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root) In-Reply-To: <200106080507.AAA10138@zjod.net> Message-ID: Whoops, haven't used netscape to send mail for so long I forgot all that it was doing. Beack to pine. :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 09:14:02 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:40:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010608091402.A23248@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:40:18PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Are you logged in as you and then su-ing to root? If so, I think X thinks > > that someone else owns the display. When I've seen this, usually actually > > logging in a root has been a fix. > > Thanks Phil. That did it. Is there something I can fix that would allow me > to su and run GUI apps? Use 'ssh -l root'. (You'll need "PermitRootLogin yes" and "X11Forwarding yes" in your sshd_config). -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 09:14:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: <3B20D485.302B270D@innoveda.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > Before you su run "xhost +". If you've already su'ed, you can run xhost > + in another window and it should also work. Then make sure your > DISPLAY environment variable is set correctly, for csh: > > setenv DISPLAY :0.0 > > If your on the console, I believe :0.0 will probably work, but > :0.0 will definitely work. > > I guarantee (almost) this will work. This should work, but it is a big scary security hole. Anyone who can access the X ports (6000 to 6something) can get in to your desktop. This is one of the big reasons why ssh is preferred over telnet. If for some reason you really have to do xhost +, you should at least use an explicit hostname -- xhost +host.domain.foo -- so that there's at least *some* measure of protection that not anyone can hop in with you. Of course if you're on an isolated net or machine, it doesn't matter, but who is these days? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From nolanjm at juno.com Fri Jun 8 09:51:28 2001 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1080 - 16 msgs Message-ID: <20010608.095130.-361725.0.nolanjm@juno.com> screw sizes are 2-56 3-48 4-40 6-32 computer hd screws are usually 4-40 with a larger head. length is from base of head to tip. most hdwe stores now carry them ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Fri Jun 8 08:50:15 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor In-Reply-To: <20010608.095130.-361725.0.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: So, after the quick & useful help on getting my burner working, I'm making a mix CD. I need a WAV editor for some simple trimming and fade-[in|out]s. Any suggestions? If possible, I'd like something I just apt-get to my Debian box. :) (I tried audacity, but it won't save full quality WAVs :( ) TIA Dan From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jun 8 10:08:44 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki game order Message-ID: <22648200165815844557@black-hole.com> Hey, Ok, people. So far, out of around 30 people who initially registered, only 14 still want any games. In fact, only about 16 people even replied. I was going to close the whole thing off on Monday, and send the listover to Loki, but we don't have 10 of any title anymore. Yes I want my games "Also, Loki hve informed me that the games which we don't have prices for cannot be ordered yet. If you were taking your time and thinking "I'll confirm the thing later" and now it's buried under 200 Emails, PLEASE dig it out and reply! Thanks, -Yaron" From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 8 10:16:37 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try xwave. Maybe ecawave. gwave maybe, not sure. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 8 10:17:04 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: ASCI please (was: Re: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root) In-Reply-To: <200106080507.AAA10138@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010608101704.D21402@ringworld.org> * Steve Siegfried [010608 00:08]: > gee... 50 lines of overhead baggage for a one line response? Kinda > over the top, donchyathink? Learn how to use procmail. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is from an intel serverworks board: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Relience Computer CNB20HE (rev 05) 00:00.1 Host bridge: Relience Computer CNB20HE (rev 05) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC 215IIC [Mach64 GT IIC] (rev 7a) 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08)00:0f.0 ISA bridge: Relience Computer: Unknown device 0200 (rev 4f) 00:0f.1 IDE interface: Relience Computer: Unknown device 0211 01:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7899P 01:04.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7899P Mmmmmm. Dual ultra 160 controllers. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 8 10:41:30 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: ASCI please (was: Re: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root) In-Reply-To: <20010608101704.D21402@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:17:04AM -0500 References: <200106080507.AAA10138@zjod.net> <20010608101704.D21402@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010608104130.A23666@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:17:04AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Steve Siegfried [010608 00:08]: > > gee... 50 lines of overhead baggage for a one line response? Kinda > > over the top, donchyathink? > > Learn how to use procmail. That's not the issue. He was sending to the whole world xyz lines of junk. I would bet 10 to 1 that nobody was interested in that vcf/disclaimer/whatever. (no flame/offense andy). A couple lines of .sig are ok... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 10:46:52 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > So, after the quick & useful help on getting my burner working, I'm > making a mix CD. I need a WAV editor for some simple trimming and > fade-[in|out]s. Any suggestions? If possible, I'd like something I just > apt-get to my Debian box. :) I like snd, but it's *way* too much for what you want. Try http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/ for a big pile of stuff to look at. HTH -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Jun 8 11:20:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet In-Reply-To: <3B20A30D.1FB6DB9E@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:03:57AM -0500 References: <3B20A30D.1FB6DB9E@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010608112040.D5674@iaxs.net> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:03:57AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I moved it over to http://www.haxxed.com/trader/ > > And I managed to get my account/session tracking system grafted on. Far > more stuff hardwired than I thought. But nothing more yet. Heh... So, how do I get an account? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Fri Jun 8 06:23:40 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Hardware Trading Forum Thingy That Doesn't Have AName Yet In-Reply-To: <20010608112040.D5674@iaxs.net> Message-ID: Ditto. Jason On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:03:57AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I moved it over to http://www.haxxed.com/trader/ > > > > And I managed to get my account/session tracking system grafted on. Far > > more stuff hardwired than I thought. But nothing more yet. Heh... > > So, how do I get an account? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Fri Jun 8 12:43:45 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor References: <200106081701.f58H1JK18496@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B210ED1.DB1CB95D@steinerpoint.com> Dan -- Two years ago I wrote some command line tools for editing RIFF/WAV files. You can mix, fade, silence fill, and chop files. I have not looked at these since then, and I don't remember the details about different file formats, but I will send them to you and you can try them out if you want. Untar and make. There is a document that describes how to use them. Let me know if they work for you. -- Al From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 8 13:56:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: ASCI please (was: Re: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root) In-Reply-To: <20010608104130.A23666@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010608135646.F21402@ringworld.org> > That's not the issue. He was sending to the whole world xyz lines of junk. > I would bet 10 to 1 that nobody was interested in that vcf/disclaimer/whatever. Ok, someone make mailing list policy, turn on procmail on the mail list server, and start kicking people out who do it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA, Brian From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 14:37:42 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor In-Reply-To: <3B210ED1.DB1CB95D@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > Two years ago I wrote some command line tools for editing RIFF/WAV files. > You can mix, fade, silence fill, and chop files. Hey, that's fun -- I might like to peek at 'em too, if it weren't a problem. Did you scale things before mixing, or just do it quick and dirty? How adjustable is the envelope on fades, or did you just do a linear slope? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Jun 8 14:50:46 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F83E1@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I would also be interested in them. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Phil Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wav editor On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > Two years ago I wrote some command line tools for editing RIFF/WAV files. > You can mix, fade, silence fill, and chop files. Hey, that's fun -- I might like to peek at 'em too, if it weren't a problem. Did you scale things before mixing, or just do it quick and dirty? How adjustable is the envelope on fades, or did you just do a linear slope? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at luths.net Fri Jun 8 15:00:04 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap servers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992030404.3b212ec4186d4@www.luths.net> Unfortunately, I couldn't convince myself not to. There is an additional $50 coupon (SOL50) for "home only" use that brought the final price to $510, shipped. Probably won't arrive til 6/29, which gives me time to decide if I should try to make a light gamer out of it with a Radeon PCI (til I get a real desktop) or just leave it as a server. Quoting Nate Carlson : > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=40&threadid=457398 > > > > $500 for a Gateway PIII 933 w/ 128MB ram and a 9GB SCSI drive. Make > sure > > you choose the $400 off option, and lower the support to 1 year to get > that > > price. Not too shabby. > > And I'm utterly unable to convince myself to buy one for at home. :( If > only they had an AGP slot.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 8 15:26:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux Message-ID: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. Anything I'm missing? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kethry at winternet.com Fri Jun 8 15:32:57 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. jbuilder does this to me even on win32 machines > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. that's 'cuz it's all java based and is trying to debug and run it's own JVM stuff... I don't know of any good GUI *nix IDE's at all other than POSSIBLY Komodo, but last I saw it doesn't handle Java - just JavaScript... Can you run the Sun command line debugger? Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Jun 8 15:39:50 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B213816.6BCB303F@securecomputing.com> You could try jdb! :) My guess is that's what emacs is using though I haven't ever tried it. I'm suprised that jbuilder dies on you, I've not had that particular problem. I think anything you use to debug java is going to be "god-awful slow". Just the nature of the beast. Bob Tanner wrote: > > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > Anything I'm missing? -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 8 15:38:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:32:57PM -0500 References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > Can you run the Sun command line debugger? ick. that is why I said a -good- debugger. :-) Like gdb. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Fri Jun 8 15:39:18 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: <20010607214021.2dd2b794.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <01C0EF8C.A9E9B6E0.eng@pinenet.com> <20010607214021.2dd2b794.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01060815391800.01260@geezer> It sounds an awful lot like 3rd Voice and other "annotation" engines that run under IE. In this case the annotations are made by M$ and not a group of "like minded" individuals. 3rd Voice was discussed on the Cluetrain Manifesto site (I think or maybe on another site that talked about Cluetrain...) Its to be expected. M$ sees it self as a content provider now. Its just coming up with more ways to deliver consumers to its content or its partners content. Jack From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Fri Jun 8 16:14:38 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: <01060815391800.01260@geezer> Message-ID: I've gotta jump in here. There's a good reason why lots of neat web stuff works better in IE. It's always been a nicer browser to develop for than NS. Mozilla changes that somewhat by being a competitive W3C DOM implementation but IE has a lot of lead time. The IE vs !IE thing comes up regularly when our notes dev team tries to do much work from the web. Essentially, NS4 should just die right now. It's too buggy and wierd. IE4 is mostly OK, IE5 is really nifty and so it NS6. Obviously IE5's backwards compatiblity with the IE4 model is a definate plus over NS6. I guess I just think it's obvious why stuff is developed for IE. It either can't be done in NS4, it's too fugly or it requires too much server cooperation. NS6 is too new to be a real contender. Josh ___SIG___ On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > It sounds an awful lot like 3rd Voice and other "annotation" engines that run > under IE. In this case the annotations are made by M$ and not a group of > "like minded" individuals. 3rd Voice was discussed on the Cluetrain Manifesto > site (I think or maybe on another site that talked about Cluetrain...) > > Its to be expected. M$ sees it self as a content provider now. Its just > coming up with more ways to deliver consumers to its content or its partners > content. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 8 16:28:10 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:38:05PM -0500 References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010608162810.A21673@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:38:05PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > > Can you run the Sun command line debugger? > > ick. that is why I said a -good- debugger. :-) Like gdb. > ddd is a good frontend and it supports jdb it is written in c search on freshmeat florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 8 16:29:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:32:57PM -0500 References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010608162956.Q23128@real-time.com> Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > Can you run the Sun command line debugger? jdb is worse the stdout debugging. Sheesh. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joel at luths.net Fri Jun 8 17:07:34 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992038054.3b214ca694ee7@www.luths.net> That's a different issue than Smart Tags, which is what the WSJ article is about. I'm a bit surprised by this Smart Tags feature, at least from MS. Aren't they the ones that have been saying OSS/GPL/whatever threatens intellectual property, even though in that case the author/owner consciously chooses to go that route? And now MS is going to intercept content (without the author/owner's consent) and alter it before presenting it to the requestor. So much for IP. Besides, I don't like the idea of them placing their ads ("...Microsoft officials confirm that they will send users to Microsoft Web properties or to other properties blessed by Microsoft") on my site unless they're going to pay me. I also find this annoying: "...(MS) will provide a free bit of programming code, called a 'meta tag', that site owners could use to bar any Smart Tags from appearing on their sites." Tacit approval? Bull. How about they provide a meta tag that _enables_ this feature. Then I'd have a lot less to gripe about. Quoting Joshua Jore : > I've gotta jump in here. There's a good reason why lots of neat web > stuff > works better in IE. It's always been a nicer browser to develop for than > NS. Mozilla changes that somewhat by being a competitive W3C DOM > implementation but IE has a lot of lead time. The IE vs !IE thing comes > up > regularly when our notes dev team tries to do much work from the web. > Essentially, NS4 should just die right now. It's too buggy and wierd. > IE4 > is mostly OK, IE5 is really nifty and so it NS6. Obviously IE5's > backwards > compatiblity with the IE4 model is a definate plus over NS6. > > I guess I just think it's obvious why stuff is developed for IE. It > either > can't be done in NS4, it's too fugly or it requires too much server > cooperation. NS6 is too new to be a real contender. > > Josh > > ___SIG___ > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > > It sounds an awful lot like 3rd Voice and other "annotation" engines > that run > > under IE. In this case the annotations are made by M$ and not a group > of > > "like minded" individuals. 3rd Voice was discussed on the Cluetrain > Manifesto > > site (I think or maybe on another site that talked about Cluetrain...) > > > > Its to be expected. M$ sees it self as a content provider now. Its > just > > coming up with more ways to deliver consumers to its content or its > partners > > content. > > > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From PCZeilon at att.net Fri Jun 8 17:12:14 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIMMS again Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010608170540.00ae8ec0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> If you are still looking, let me know. I think I have 2 72pin16mg EDO's. I will verify tonight if you're interested. I can make you a great deal if you're willing to pickup in Apple Valley & spend some time answering Newbie questions that seem far to easy for this forum. From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 8 17:11:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608162810.A21673@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 04:28:10PM -0500 References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> <20010608162810.A21673@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010608171136.T23128@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:38:05PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > > > Can you run the Sun command line debugger? > > > > ick. that is why I said a -good- debugger. :-) Like gdb. > > > > ddd is a good frontend and it supports jdb > > it is written in c > > search on freshmeat I'm trying to debug java servlets, which means I am having to load the entire servlet container into the debugger and ddd doesn't seem to work all that well with java. ddd -jdb /usr/java/jdk1.3.0_02/bin/java -cp "/usr/enhydra3.1.1b1/lib/enhydra.jar:${CLASSPATH}" com.lutris.multiServer.MultiServer That is what I do and it just sits there forever. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jurupari at geocities.com Fri Jun 8 17:16:04 2001 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Mike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200106082216.f58MG8125513@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On 8 Jun 01, at 15:26, Bob Tanner wrote: > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. Hmmm, I have used JBuilder 4 on several different computers. I have also run it both in Windows 98 and RedHat 7.0. I have yet to see it crash. I am surprised to hear that it is doing that on you. Mike From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jun 8 17:29:58 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor References: Message-ID: <3B2151E6.6B969B7F@haxxed.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > > > So, after the quick & useful help on getting my burner working, I'm > > making a mix CD. I need a WAV editor for some simple trimming and > > fade-[in|out]s. Any suggestions? If possible, I'd like something I just > > apt-get to my Debian box. :) > > I like snd, but it's *way* too much for what you want. > > Try http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/ for a big pile of stuff to > look at. HTH Snd is quite nifty. Haven't played with it a whole lot, its UI is a bit different, its much better than the usual. The zoom sliders are such an intelligent way to handle zoom, plus it does zoom in the amplitude domain, not just time... Last I checked it was the only WAV editor for X that was even remotely usable for editing CD tracks. Namely, having at least minimal functionality and doesn't try to load an entire 600mb wav into RAM... And I can't get to that site. Bah. From kethry at winternet.com Fri Jun 8 17:21:27 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: > ick. that is why I said a -good- debugger. :-) Like gdb. gdb? *raises eyebrows* - I'll have to check it out :):) Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 8 19:07:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA serial port In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:58:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010608190720.B14063@real-time.com> > docking station really isn't an answer here, has anyone ever heard of a > PCMCIA card that will add a serial port? If so, I need to find > one. Thanks! I actually saw a PCMCIA card once that offered *4* serial ports. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 8 19:13:25 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA or USB / serial port In-Reply-To: <20010608190720.B14063@real-time.com> Message-ID: Someone mentioned earlier that one option is to do USB <--> serial. I'm interested in any reports of success with these devices. I'm thinking in particular of using it for a GPS unit, since all of those I know of still use serial, but my vaio laptop requires a klunky port replicator to do serial. I suspect you need 2.4 kernel, right? Anecdote: I tried a USB <--> SCSI adapter for a Scanner, and got it to "work", but it was all messed up with timings or something, and would output inconsistent junk (e.g., separated RGB colors, messed up image, etc.). Andy > I actually saw a PCMCIA card once that offered *4* serial ports. > > Carl Soderstrom > From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Fri Jun 8 19:33:02 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some anti MSness for a change. In-Reply-To: <992038054.3b214ca694ee7@www.luths.net> Message-ID: Oh ok. I don't know anything about 'smart tags' except that I've only heard of them in a negative light. Josh ___SIG___ On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > That's a different issue than Smart Tags, which is what the WSJ article is > about. I'm a bit surprised by this Smart Tags feature, at least from MS. Aren't > they the ones that have been saying OSS/GPL/whatever threatens intellectual > property, even though in that case the author/owner consciously chooses to go > that route? And now MS is going to intercept content (without the > author/owner's consent) and alter it before presenting it to the requestor. So > much for IP. Besides, I don't like the idea of them placing their ads > ("...Microsoft officials confirm that they will send users to Microsoft Web > properties or to other properties blessed by Microsoft") on my site unless > they're going to pay me. > > I also find this annoying: "...(MS) will provide a free bit of programming > code, called a 'meta tag', that site owners could use to bar any Smart Tags > from appearing on their sites." Tacit approval? Bull. How about they provide a > meta tag that _enables_ this feature. Then I'd have a lot less to gripe about. > > > Quoting Joshua Jore : > > > I've gotta jump in here. There's a good reason why lots of neat web > > stuff > > works better in IE. It's always been a nicer browser to develop for than > > NS. Mozilla changes that somewhat by being a competitive W3C DOM > > implementation but IE has a lot of lead time. The IE vs !IE thing comes > > up > > regularly when our notes dev team tries to do much work from the web. > > Essentially, NS4 should just die right now. It's too buggy and wierd. > > IE4 > > is mostly OK, IE5 is really nifty and so it NS6. Obviously IE5's > > backwards > > compatiblity with the IE4 model is a definate plus over NS6. > > > > I guess I just think it's obvious why stuff is developed for IE. It > > either > > can't be done in NS4, it's too fugly or it requires too much server > > cooperation. NS6 is too new to be a real contender. > > > > Josh > > > > ___SIG___ > > > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > > > > It sounds an awful lot like 3rd Voice and other "annotation" engines > > that run > > > under IE. In this case the annotations are made by M$ and not a group > > of > > > "like minded" individuals. 3rd Voice was discussed on the Cluetrain > > Manifesto > > > site (I think or maybe on another site that talked about Cluetrain...) > > > > > > Its to be expected. M$ sees it self as a content provider now. Its > > just > > > coming up with more ways to deliver consumers to its content or its > > partners > > > content. > > > > > > Jack > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 20:36:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wav editor In-Reply-To: <3B2151E6.6B969B7F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Snd is quite nifty. Haven't played with it a whole lot, its UI is a bit > different, its much better than the usual. Careful! You'll give DD-B ammo in his Holier Than GNU Emacs Jihad :P Snd is heavily emacs oriented. Historically, it tries to replicate functionality of an old program called dpy (I think) that ran on DECsystem 10's. I only ever messed with that once, had no sound hardware, so have no idea if it was a good or bad model. Interestingly (or maybe not) Andy Moorer, was at CCRMA and there's an awful lot of snd present in the interface for Sonic Solutions. Sonic is a lesson in productive UI's (not without learning curve, though). > The zoom sliders are such an > intelligent way to handle zoom, plus it does zoom in the amplitude > domain, not just time... Actually, they are a lot more intelligent on time *than* amplitude. If you had serious editing -- like a classical piece with a couple of hundred edits -- it would be kind of doggy. But since it has both lisp-y macros and you have the source code to boot, you could probably make it slicker if you really wanted to. > Last I checked it was the only WAV editor for X that was even remotely > usable for editing CD tracks. Namely, having at least minimal > functionality and doesn't try to load an entire 600mb wav into RAM... If you could make it run a dedicated DSP, say a Motorola 56001, you'd have something. Oh, wait -- I'm awfully close to a product description for Sonic! > And I can't get to that site. Bah. That one, or the snd site? Just search for snd or CCRMA -- I think it's at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/ but Google will know. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Fri Jun 8 20:51:58 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor References: <200106082213.f58MDBK26019@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B21813E.5FF73256@steinerpoint.com> > From: Phil Mendelsohn > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > > Two years ago I wrote some command line tools for editing RIFF/WAV files. > > You can mix, fade, silence fill, and chop files. > > Hey, that's fun -- I might like to peek at 'em too, if it weren't a > problem. Did you scale things before mixing, or just do it quick and > dirty? How adjustable is the envelope on fades, or did you just do a > linear slope? > > From: "Miller, John" > I would also be interested in them. Let me slap a copyright and GPL license on them I will send them out to you. No scaling (I wanted to add utilities to do that but we did not need them for our project back then). Just a linear slop to fade or cross-fade from one clip to the next. (What curve is best for a fade--an S curve that is smooth and flat at each end?) This only supports RIFF/WAVE PCM format. Hope that is what you need. I don't know about all the different audio file formats. -- Al From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 8 21:26:05 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: <3B21813E.5FF73256@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > Let me slap a copyright and GPL license on them I will send them out to you. Cool. > No scaling (I wanted to add utilities to do that but we did not need them for > our project back then). Just a linear slop to fade or cross-fade from one > clip to the next. (What curve is best for a fade--an S curve that is smooth > and flat at each end?) That's a good start. There are several different kinds, each with their own merits. For general purpose use, a (cos x + 1)/2 envelope -- with fade start at t=0 and set the desired endpoint to be Pi/2. Then interpolate your sample points and VIOLA!, a nice smooth S-curve, smooth and flat at each end. (And the derivatives are continuous and zero at the endpoints too! The ear will catch discontinuities in the derivatives of that sort of thing _real_ fast.) > This only supports RIFF/WAVE PCM format. Hope that is what you need. I don't > know about all the different audio file formats. There are utils for conversion. Same concept -- the punctuation just changes. There are more fun things to write, eh? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 8 21:28:31 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: <3B21813E.5FF73256@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: > No scaling (I wanted to add utilities to do that but we did not need them for > our project back then). Just a linear slop to fade or cross-fade from one > clip to the next. (What curve is best for a fade--an S curve that is smooth > and flat at each end?) What's the scale? Since dB is defined in terms of Psychophysics, and it's a log (ratio) scale, I think you want something akin to linear on a log scale. That means linear in terms of dB, but it's not clear to me what physical property you're actually attenuating (power? voltage?) Andy > -- Al From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 8 21:30:06 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > That's a good start. There are several different kinds, each with their > own merits. For general purpose use, a (cos x + 1)/2 envelope -- with What's 'x' (units)? Andy From mend0070 at umn.edu Sat Jun 9 00:45:53 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor Message-ID: <200106090545.AAA07297@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 8 Jun 2001, andy@theasis.com is alleged to have said: > > No scaling (I wanted to add utilities to do that but we did not need them > for > > our project back then). Just a linear slop to fade or cross-fade from one > > clip to the next. (What curve is best for a fade--an S curve that is > smooth > > and flat at each end?) > > What's the scale? > > Since dB is defined in terms of Psychophysics, and it's a log (ratio) > scale, I think you want something akin to linear on a log scale. That > means linear in terms of dB, but it's not clear to me what physical > property you're actually attenuating (power? voltage?) Whoa -- hold up, Hoss! It's way easier than that. When you are mixing, i.e., adding signals, you have a maximum value for each sample. So, generally, you scale back each input source to give it room to add them together. Typically, you reduce each signal by 6dB, so that if you ever have a point where both signals are at full maximum value, the resulting sum will not overload the system. Now decibels are not anything as far as Psychophysics -- whatever that is! ;) -- decibels are simply one tenth of a bel, which is a unit of relative change. They are very handy for electrical, acoustical, and a couple of other log scale measurements, but you could just as easily say that Joe who makes $20k/year earns 6dB$ less than Sue who makes $40k/year. You have to specify the units, which in this case are understood to be dBFS (decibels w.r.t. Full Scale -- whatever $MAXVALUE is for your wordlength.) Does that make it make more sense? Phil From mend0070 at umn.edu Sat Jun 9 00:50:51 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor Message-ID: <200106090550.AAA07338@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 8 Jun 2001, andy@theasis.com is alleged to have said: > > > > That's a good start. There are several different kinds, each with their > > own merits. For general purpose use, a (cos x + 1)/2 envelope -- with > > What's 'x' (units)? Your amplitude envelope is a bunch of coefficients that multiply the sample values in the region where you're fading. So set up an array, let n be the number of samples in the region you want to fade, and x is an index from 1 to n. Multiply the old samples by the coefficient given by the above, and you've got your fade. Better? From jack at jacku.com Sat Jun 9 05:11:54 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01060905115400.01762@geezer> [Disclaimer: I haven't done a lot (any really) Java programming recently. So take any suggestions in that light.] Have you tried IBM's Visual Age for Java? I suspect its like Forte slow. As far as IDE editor/compilers I tried jikes a while back and it seemed to work. I don't know if/what debugging facility provides. I think its listed on freshmeat. If not try C|net's download.com. Jack On Friday 08 June 2001 15:26, you wrote: > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > Anything I'm missing? From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 05:56:09 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <200106082213.f58MD2K25985@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > Anything I'm missing? A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ JSwat is an "extensible, standalone, graphical Java debugger front-end, written to use the Java Platform Debugger Architecture (JPDA) package provided by JavaSoft." Haven't tried it myself yet, but it looks pretty decent. (Also not sure whether anyone else has already mentioned it, since I'm subscribed to tclug-list in digest mode.) Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From andy at theasis.com Sat Jun 9 06:36:26 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: <200106090545.AAA07297@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: > Now decibels are not anything as far as Psychophysics -- whatever that is! OK, what I was referring to is a (possibly manufactured) recollection of a correspondence between 1 dB and the minimum difference detectible by human audio perceptual apparatus. Psychophysics is concerned with the translation of perceived differences into "actual" differences. I.e., how much more amplification (power) do you have to apply to make something seem twice as loud, or twice as bright. How much more weight to seem twice as heavy. Note I'm putting things in terms of ratios. > ;) -- decibels are simply one tenth of a bel, which is a unit of relative > change. They are very handy for electrical, acoustical, and a couple of > other log scale measurements, Keep in mind that there is in fact always a reference against which to compare any sound that hits an eardrum or a microphone membrane: the sound pressure level caused by air molecules bouncing around on the membrane. This baseline becomes, in effect, the tared 0 point, because both inner ear pressures are equalized in terms of that. (Aside: I've not yet successfully thought through how this translates to pressure on either side of a microphone membrane.) If you've ever stepped into an anechoic chamber you know what I'm getting at. Anyway, the above correspondence I mentioned does exist, but it may be true that it just happened to work out that 1dB over background is pretty close to the minimum detectible change in sound pressure level. OTOH, I'm probably just wrong. I'll have to go check on that one. > but you could just as easily say that Joe who > makes $20k/year earns 6dB$ less than Sue who makes $40k/year. I think I disagree. First, I think it has to refer to power. I guess you can make a case to call $ power, but that's rather a departure from what the Bell Labs folk were addressing. Really, though, as soon as you get outside of power (into Voltage or Sound Pressure), you're dealing with additional translations. Also I think you want to say s/6/3/ dB, since log10(2) = .301, meaning a doubling of _power_ (or $) is 3.01 ~ 3 dB. Um... Remember that power is proportional to (voltage)^2, so using 6dB would be appropriate if you were talking about voltage instead of power -- a doubling of voltage is a 6dB increase or a power ratio of 4. > You have to specify the units, which in this case are understood to be > dBFS (decibels w.r.t. Full Scale -- whatever $MAXVALUE is for your > wordlength.) Ahh, ok. Except the part of being understood. As mentioned above, my inclination is not to reference Full Scale by default. > Does that make it make more sense? That last part does clarify it quite a bit. Also you did force me to think hard enough to organize the ratio thing a bit more. But the power vs. voltage thing still leaves me wondering how this software is operating on the sampled signal in the .wav. Andy > Phil From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Sat Jun 9 09:33:26 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA or USB / serial port References: <200106091312.f59DCGK08322@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B2233B6.C9E95F0B@steinerpoint.com> andy@theasis.com wrote" > Someone mentioned earlier that one option is to do USB <--> serial. I'm > interested in any reports of success with these devices. Go to www.linux-usb.org and follow the link to supported devices and look at the serial driver. There are drivers for several USB to serial converters. I have used (and worked on) the drivers for the Keyspan PDA adapter (keyspan_pda.o) and the Digi Acceleport adapter (digi_acceleport.o). These both work, but the Digi device is no longer manufactured, and the Keyspan driver has somewhat limited functionality. The supported drivers page will give you an idea of what other people got to work. > I suspect you need 2.4 kernel, right? The latest 2.2 kernels also have USB support now. > Anecdote: I tried a USB <--> SCSI adapter for a Scanner, and got it to > "work", but it was all messed up with timings or something, and would > output inconsistent junk (e.g., separated RGB colors, messed up image, > etc.). The core Linux USB driver is pretty solid, but the drivers for individual devices are of varying quality--in my limited experience. -- Al From mike at fruitioninc.com Sat Jun 9 12:21:23 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <006e01c0f108$9bbcd4d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> IBM Visual Age Java has a good debugger, but that's the only thing of merit in the tool. However, you cannot use the debugger without importing your code into the tool's repository. The import process can take a long time if you have a lot of code - many minutes. Additionlly, I do not think the tool has been ported to linux, but I could be wrong. BTW, I also need a good debugger for Java. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > Anything I'm missing? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at fruitioninc.com Sat Jun 9 12:25:41 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <007801c0f109$3516a4d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> The command line debugger got better in the 1.3 release. Now it actually displays the current source line after you step. Egads! I've never seen the emacs jdb mode work very well. I never downloaded anything though, not have I heard of "jde". I just used the mode that comes standard with 20.6.1. M-X jdb Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > > Can you run the Sun command line debugger? > > ick. that is why I said a -good- debugger. :-) Like gdb. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 10:43:24 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010609104324.41f96511.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. [snip] > Anything I'm missing? I haven't tried it, but you can take a look SGI's Jessie: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/jessie/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Thank You. Please Come / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Again." -- Apu \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010609/8f2771f6/attachment.pgp From jspinti at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 8 19:25:43 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware crashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01060819254300.01455@pii400> On Friday 08 June 2001 13:58, you wrote: > I'm tinkering around with VMware, running Win98 inside of a virtual > machine for a few odds and ends. Well, the machine I'm running this on is > not well suited to be doing this, and Vmware sometimes crashes if I ask > too much from Windows. The problem is that when VMware crashes, a lot > comes with it. Xwindows (4.0.x) crashes, and oddly enough, my GATEWAY > machine loses its conencton to the internet. I've got a linux box acting > as a router on my cable modem. The only way to re-establish the internet > connection is to COLD boot the linux box and reset the cable modem. Any > ideas why this happens? > > TIA, > Brian > I have noticed a lot of lag time if I am running something inside the VMware machine that is accessing the network. It causes my Internet to time out and my POP server e-mail to come back with a host not found. I haven't actually crashed the gateway (an NT 4.0 SP6a server), even when the virtual machine crashes. Once I close down the virtual machine, everything returns to normal. I think it is at least partially tied to the fact that the virtual machine and the Linux box are time sharing the ethernet card. (Arpwatch on my Samba server--delta times on flip flop in the neighborhood of .5 seconds--462 e-mails in about an hour!) What was interesting to me was that PCanywhere worked across the Internet to my work, even when my other Internet stuff was timing out and my network saves in the virtual machine were hanging. I haven't taken the time to access VMware's knowledge base yet, but that was going to be my next step. -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 11:05:54 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Now decibels are not anything as far as Psychophysics -- whatever that is! > > OK, what I was referring to is a (possibly manufactured) recollection of a > correspondence between 1 dB and the minimum difference detectible by human > audio perceptual apparatus. JND is measured in dB, that's all. > > ;) -- decibels are simply one tenth of a bel, which is a unit of relative > > change. They are very handy for electrical, acoustical, and a couple of > > other log scale measurements, > > Keep in mind that there is in fact always a reference against which to > compare any sound that hits an eardrum or a microphone membrane: the > sound pressure level caused by air molecules bouncing around on the > membrane. See below. You don't have to use them to measure sound. > Anyway, the above correspondence I mentioned does exist, but it may be > true that it just happened to work out that 1dB over background is pretty > close to the minimum detectible change in sound pressure level. OTOH, I'm > probably just wrong. I'll have to go check on that one. Not necessarily. It's just that JND has to specify the conditions. You can blow those conditions right out of the water with a strategic small change in environment. In any case, decibels just simply are never *defined* in terms of JND, JND is measured in dB. There are lot's of books to look at for confirmation. > > but you could just as easily say that Joe who > > makes $20k/year earns 6dB$ less than Sue who makes $40k/year. > > I think I disagree. First, I think it has to refer to power. Nope. Can refer to whatever you want. Power is the most common use, however. > Really, though, as soon as you get outside of power (into Voltage or > Sound Pressure), you're dealing with additional translations. Sound pressure is power. Power dB is 10log(ratio.) Voltage is 20log(ratio), which comes from Ohm's law directly. Any dB measurement of signals in electronics is by convention voltage (20log). > Also I think you want to say s/6/3/ dB, since log10(2) = .301, meaning a > doubling of _power_ (or $) is 3.01 ~ 3 dB. True. > Um... Remember that power is proportional to (voltage)^2, so using 6dB > would be appropriate if you were talking about voltage instead of power -- > a doubling of voltage is a 6dB increase or a power ratio of 4. You have a lot of the right pieces, but you're trying to force a voltage situation into power. I was. :) > > You have to specify the units, which in this case are understood to be > > dBFS (decibels w.r.t. Full Scale -- whatever $MAXVALUE is for your > > wordlength.) > > Ahh, ok. Except the part of being understood. As mentioned above, my > inclination is not to reference Full Scale by default. Yeah, but you're used to inverse squared power losses in location bat recording. Audio inside electric boxes should make you think 20log ratios, and digital should make you think dBFS as one of the major idioms. Analog signals should make you think voltage as dBV (0dB = 1V RMS into 600 ohms), dBu(pure voltage, ref level 1V, IIRC), or the most popular, dBm (*voltage* referenced to 1mW of power through 600 ohms.) > > Does that make it make more sense? > > That last part does clarify it quite a bit. Also you did force me to think > hard enough to organize the ratio thing a bit more. But the power > vs. voltage thing still leaves me wondering how this software is operating > on the sampled signal in the .wav. Correctly! I'll bring a book the next time we get together. It's a little bit confusing until you sort out all the different dB scales. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mike at fruitioninc.com Sat Jun 9 13:36:50 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: Message-ID: <00a001c0f113$2608afb0$0300000a@anelginanalas> I downloaded jswat and it looks super-ripfurry cool, however I can't get it to work. :( It keeps crashing, complaining it can't find my class, or exiting without purpose. I'll keep trying. Has anyone had better luck? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel T Schneider" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > > > Anything I'm missing? > > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ > > JSwat is an "extensible, standalone, graphical Java debugger front-end, > written to use the Java Platform Debugger Architecture (JPDA) package > provided by JavaSoft." Haven't tried it myself yet, but it looks pretty > decent. (Also not sure whether anyone else has already mentioned it, > since I'm subscribed to tclug-list in digest mode.) > > Joel > > --- > defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at lautverschiebung.org Sat Jun 9 11:52:45 2001 From: colin at lautverschiebung.org (colin schaub) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <006e01c0f108$9bbcd4d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <000701c0f104$9b6b7d50$0200000a@punkboynt> ibm's java ide and debugger are probably the best out there (in my opinion) - and it is available for linux, although not in the enterprise edition (group development and repository sharing). i use it on a 550mhz mandrake box with very few problems. i use VA and forte quite regularly. neither is perfect though. yes, it does require you to import all your classes into it's own workspace/repository, but it doesn't really take all that long. i work on projects with thousands of classes and once you get the hang of the OO development paradigm it's really simple overall. it's different at first because you only work on objects, down to the method level, and you never see the entire .java file. it's roots are in ibm's smalltalk ide. it's biggest downfall is that it's bloatware. huge. probably close to 300MB once extracted. and it's also often behind in it's support for the newest version of java. the coolest thing about it is that you can modify your code while in a debug process, and it just starts again at the top of the current method invocation. the demo allows for the creation of 500 classes, i think, which is often more than enough for personal use. i noticed that with the upgrade from 3.0 to 3.02, it lost the fact that it was only a demo and ended up giving me the full version. this may be the case with later versions also. colin. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Bresnahan > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > > > IBM Visual Age Java has a good debugger, but that's the only > thing of merit > in the tool. However, you cannot use the debugger without importing your > code into the tool's repository. The import process can take a > long time if > you have a lot of code - many minutes. Additionlly, I do not > think the tool > has been ported to linux, but I could be wrong. > > BTW, I also need a good debugger for Java. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:26 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > > > > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > > > Anything I'm missing? > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mike at fruitioninc.com Sat Jun 9 14:13:35 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: <000701c0f104$9b6b7d50$0200000a@punkboynt> Message-ID: <00ab01c0f118$482642b0$0300000a@anelginanalas> > yes, it does require you to import all your classes into it's own > workspace/repository, but it doesn't really take all that long. i work on > projects with thousands of classes and once you get the hang of the OO > development paradigm it's really simple overall. it's different at first > because you only work on objects, down to the method level, and you never > see the entire .java file. it's roots are in ibm's smalltalk ide. I consider several minutes to be a long time. If you work outside the IDE and only import in order to use the debugger, several minutes to import the classes is way too long. Therefore, to use the debugger you are forced to use the entire IDE. This is the major drawback to the VA paradigm. It forces you to use only the tools it provides. Because of this it has to provide all the tools. Because of this it tries to do too much and thus doesn't do anything well. The editor is half ass. The version control is half ass. Etc, etc. Emacs is often critized for the same thing in this forum. However, unlike VA, emacs integrates with other tools and is highly configurable. I think that anyone that is attuned to open source and/or UNIX philosophies will find VA Java to their disliking. Mike From andy at theasis.com Sat Jun 9 13:28:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > JND is measured in dB, that's all. True enough, which is back to my original point that if your attenuation nob is notched according to ratio reductions in power, then a linear fadeout in terms of clicks (notches) per second should be reasonable, i.e., sound right. Which means it's not all that complicated. > Not necessarily. It's just that JND has to specify the conditions. You > can blow those conditions right out of the water with a strategic small Yeah, no argument there. Standard conditions are documented tho... 1kHz tone blah blah blah. > change in environment. In any case, decibels just simply are never > *defined* in terms of JND, JND is measured in dB. There are lot's of > books to look at for confirmation. Yeah, I was originally suggesting that the definition of dB relied on JND. However, my amendment was that psychophysical research had discovered the ratio to be meaningful in terms of the perceptual apparatus. I.e., JND comes out to be pretty close to 1 dB (but yeah, under certain conditions). > > > but you could just as easily say that Joe who > > > makes $20k/year earns 6dB$ less than Sue who makes $40k/year. > > > > I think I disagree. First, I think it has to refer to power. > > Nope. Can refer to whatever you want. Power is the most common use, > however. I still think such usage is a distortion; still meaningful, maybe, but really ouside of the scope of the formal definition. In other words, by definition, the number of bels is defined as the common logarithm of the ratio of two powers. Since you have references, see if the definition specifies powers. > > Um... Remember that power is proportional to (voltage)^2, so using 6dB > > would be appropriate if you were talking about voltage instead of power -- > > a doubling of voltage is a 6dB increase or a power ratio of 4. > > You have a lot of the right pieces, but you're trying to force a voltage > situation into power. I was. :) I think that's all the more reason that the definition relies on power. If you're talking about the metric of change to be voltage, you need to say so, otherwise it's not clear whether you double the stuff with 3 or with 6 dB. So what's the right relationship to use for your salary example? > Yeah, but you're used to inverse squared power losses in location bat > recording. Audio inside electric boxes should make you think 20log > ratios, and digital should make you think dBFS as one of the major > idioms. Analog signals should make you think voltage as dBV (0dB = 1V > RMS into 600 ohms), dBu(pure voltage, ref level 1V, IIRC), or the most > popular, dBm (*voltage* referenced to 1mW of power through 600 ohms.) Well, any person will likely be versed with a subset of the idioms. I *should* have been able to think in terms of bits for the digital sampling environment for .wav files, but you had to remind me. As mentioned, it's not obvious what to do with dB$. Or I'm still missing something (Highly likely). > Correctly! I'll bring a book the next time we get together. It's a > little bit confusing until you sort out all the different dB scales. They're gonna send us to a different table. Or a different bar. Andy From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 16:09:08 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <200106091701.f59H17K12653@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: It does seem to require JPDA (either J2SE SDK 1.3 or maybe SDK 1.2.2 plus some stuff): http://www.javasoft.com/products/jpda/ For remote debugging, it's necessary to add some special command line options to the remote java interpreter: http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/docs/howto-remote.html Joel On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > I downloaded jswat and it looks super-ripfurry cool, however I can't get it > to work. :( It keeps crashing, complaining it can't find my class, or > exiting without purpose. I'll keep trying. Has anyone had better luck? > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel T Schneider" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:56 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > > > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I am really getting desperate for a -good- debugger for Java. > > > > > > I downloaded jde for emacs and the debugger is klunky and very slow. > > > > > > I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. > > > > > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. > > > > > > Anything I'm missing? > > > > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ > > > > JSwat is an "extensible, standalone, graphical Java debugger front-end, > > written to use the Java Platform Debugger Architecture (JPDA) package > > provided by JavaSoft." Haven't tried it myself yet, but it looks pretty > > decent. (Also not sure whether anyone else has already mentioned it, > > since I'm subscribed to tclug-list in digest mode.) > > > > Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jun 9 16:17:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <007801c0f109$3516a4d0$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 10:25:41AM -0700 References: <20010608152614.L23128@real-time.com> <20010608153805.M23128@real-time.com> <007801c0f109$3516a4d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010609161709.B3905@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Bresnahan (mike@fruitioninc.com): > The command line debugger got better in the 1.3 release. Now it actually > displays the current source line after you step. Egads! > > I've never seen the emacs jdb mode work very well. I never downloaded > anything though, not have I heard of "jde". I just used the mode that comes > standard with 20.6.1. M-X jdb jde is very nice. I put all the rpms for it and its dependancies on http://www.sf.net/rte -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 17:22:18 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Re: wav editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Nope. Can refer to whatever you want. Power is the most common use, > > however. > > I still think such usage is a distortion; still meaningful, maybe, but > really ouside of the scope of the formal definition. In other words, by > definition, the number of bels is defined as the common logarithm of the > ratio of two powers. Since you have references, see if the definition > specifies powers. Yes, that is the formal definition, no question. The original paper was Martin, W. H., "Decibel: The Name for the Transmission Unit", Bell System Technical Journal, 1929. From a textbook definition, you are strictly correct. However, as you pointed out, power is proportional to voltage, so it is valid and common practice -- probably _more_ common these days, when we have active output stages driving voltage mode input amplifiers -- to pull the exponents out and talk about dB w.r.t. voltage as 20log(v_1/v_r). The main point is you have to nail down v_r, and dB has turned into just a log scale. > I think that's all the more reason that the definition relies on power. If > you're talking about the metric of change to be voltage, you need to say > so, otherwise it's not clear whether you double the stuff with 3 or with 6 > dB. So what's the right relationship to use for your salary example? If I say dBFS, I have said. I didn't originally, hence this awful little thread. ;) I'd use 6dB for the salary example, because it's potential and voltage is potential. If you were talking about money being spent, that'd probably be 10log, because it's purchasing power. But you're right -- we're getting pretty far removed from the point. > Well, any person will likely be versed with a subset of the idioms. I > *should* have been able to think in terms of bits for the digital sampling > environment for .wav files, but you had to remind me. Nah, I didn't _have_ to. That's just the kind of guy I am. :) > As mentioned, it's not obvious what to do with dB$. Or I'm still > missing something (Highly likely). No, you're just keeping me honest, after years of throwing dB around without regard for people's feelings. > > Correctly! I'll bring a book the next time we get together. It's a > > little bit confusing until you sort out all the different dB scales. > > They're gonna send us to a different table. Or a different bar. If only the library had a liquor license. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 9 23:28:40 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding newbie Q In-Reply-To: <3B1E6B8A.D5754C0C@eetc.com> Message-ID: Just a final note to tell everyone that helped that this has finally been put to bed, and pass on what the deal was so that anyone else who is thinking of embarking on a port forwarding journey can avoid this pitfall. This is *not* explicitly stated in the IPCHAINS-HOWTO, the ipchains manpage, the IP-Masquerade-HOWTO, or the ipmasqadm portfw manpage. 1: Set your input filter so the packets get through -- this sends them on to the forward rules. 2: Set the forward rules so that the packets in question are sent to the MASQ target -- i.e., in this case the rule was ipchains -A forward -p tcp -s 0/0 1024: -d 80 -j MASQ 3: This sends them to the portforwarder, and you use ipmasqadm (if you're not on 2.4 and iptables) as ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 80 -R 80 4: Make sure your output filter will pass things through. The trick is the -j MASQ in the forward section sends it to the forwarding rules. Also, note that it's -p tcp in ipchains and -P tcp in ipmasqadm. So the thing that isn't well communicated is that forwarding and ipchains communicate with a gozinta and gozotta that is enabled by a selective switch using -j MASQ. You guys are great, you gave me all the right pieces. Thanks. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 10 01:14:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 05:56:09AM -0500 References: <200106082213.f58MD2K25985@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010610011403.F4927@real-time.com> Quoting Joel T Schneider (jts@tc.umn.edu): > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ jswat rocks. It's the best java debugger I have found. It makes debugging tomcat and enhydra application simple. I liked it so much, I made an rpm for it. http://www.sf.net/projects/rte Look for jswat. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 10 01:42:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 05:56:09AM -0500 References: <200106082213.f58MD2K25985@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010610014210.G4927@real-time.com> Quoting Joel T Schneider (jts@tc.umn.edu): > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ Ok, I know I have said this, but jswat really is good. It might be because it's 1:40 in the morning or because I have been using stdout debugging for so long I forgot what a good debugger is, but I have squashed more bugs in 1 night of coding then I could have hoped for. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mike at fruitioninc.com Sun Jun 10 14:45:57 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux References: <200106082213.f58MD2K25985@sprite.real-time.com> <20010610014210.G4927@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c0f1e5$f835bcd0$0300000a@anelginanalas> You got jswat to work for you? I gave up on it and switched to Forte. When I finally got to a point I could step through my Swing app, it jumped from line to line seamingly randomly. Did you do anything special? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux > Quoting Joel T Schneider (jts@tc.umn.edu): > > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ > > Ok, I know I have said this, but jswat really is good. > > It might be because it's 1:40 in the morning or because I have been using stdout > debugging for so long I forgot what a good debugger is, but I have squashed more > bugs in 1 night of coding then I could have hoped for. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Jun 10 12:51:53 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 2 cables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Any particular favorite local suppliers for the above (the micro 50-pin > connectors)? Dexis has good ones. They aren't any cheaper than anywhere else, but at least you know the manufacturer (also see computercable.com, I believe - that's their division that makes the cables). Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Jun 10 13:07:27 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 2 cables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This ain't local, but its cheap and fast. Pi manufacturing www.pimfg.com I had a scsi 68pin to db25 made for only about 6 bucks. They charge 2 bucks extra for orders under 100. They have lots of other cool stuff too. Colin Kilbane From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Jun 10 12:30:56 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: <3B20D485.302B270D@innoveda.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > mike hicks wrote: > > Before you su run "xhost +". If you've already su'ed, you can run xhost > + in another window and it should also work. Then make sure your > DISPLAY environment variable is set correctly, for csh: > > setenv DISPLAY :0.0 Do something like this, but DO NOT use xhost +. Instead, use 'xhost +local:' to allow non-TCP local X connections. Do that, and then you can just do an 'export DISPLAY=:0' (for bourne shells). Or do like zibby says and use sudo. Sudo is your friend. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jun 10 13:18:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root In-Reply-To: ; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 12:30:56PM -0500 References: <3B20D485.302B270D@innoveda.com> Message-ID: <20010610131849.G23649@sherohman.org> On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 12:30:56PM -0500, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > Or do like zibby says and use sudo. Sudo is your friend. I dunno about that. sudo is good for multi-admin environments, but even then, I'm wary of having multiple privileged accounts. (Without sudo: Attacker must figure out both my password and the root password. With sudo: my password has (hopefully limited-use) root capabilities. Figuring out the root password is not necessary.) Multilayered security is a Good Thing. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 10 18:42:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <00cd01c0f1e5$f835bcd0$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 12:45:57PM -0700 References: <200106082213.f58MD2K25985@sprite.real-time.com> <20010610014210.G4927@real-time.com> <00cd01c0f1e5$f835bcd0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010610184220.A4257@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Bresnahan (mike@fruitioninc.com): > You got jswat to work for you? I gave up on it and switched to Forte. When > I finally got to a point I could step through my Swing app, it jumped from > line to line seamingly randomly. Did you do anything special? I am doing remote debugging. If that matters. bigdevel is my development machine at the office borca is my puny p75 at home :-P Because borca is so slow, I do all my development on bigdevel and just display stuff back to punydesktop thru a ssh tunnel. So, on bigdevel, I start my java application I want to debug like this (I split the lines our for readability): ${JAVA} \ -classic \ -cp "${APPCLASSPATH}" \ -Xdebug -Xnoagent -Djava.compiler=NONE \ -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n \ com.realtime.application.main \ "./conf/servlet/servlet.conf" Of course replace ${JAVA} with your favorite jvm. I personally recommend IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-8.0, the url is the rpm of jswat (http://www.sf.net/projects/rte). Now, I tried running jswat on bigdevel, display it back to borca, but 128K ISDN link makes this way to slow, so I installed jswat on punydesktop. Run jswat, if you got the rpm, it will be: % /usr/bin/jswat It will kick up a gui window. In the command window, do this: sourcepath /home/tanner/java/src Use your appropriate sourcepath, if you want to debug the jdk libs, include them as well like this: sourcepath /home/tanner/java/src:/opt/IBMJava2-13/src Then attach to the remote vm (your application you started above). In the command window type: attach bigdevel: The will be given to you when you run your application. You should see something like this: Listening for transport dt_socket at address: 1911 That's it. It totally rocks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jun 11 05:26:39 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't run GUI apps as root References: <3B20D485.302B270D@innoveda.com> <20010610131849.G23649@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B249CDF.C4A71BB2@haxxed.com> > I dunno about that. sudo is good for multi-admin environments, but even > then, I'm wary of having multiple privileged accounts. (Without sudo: > Attacker must figure out both my password and the root password. With sudo: > my password has (hopefully limited-use) root capabilities. Figuring out the > root password is not necessary.) And run LIDS so even root has limited capability... I love you LIDS... From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jun 11 08:12:20 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB, visor and linux (FIX!) In-Reply-To: References: <20010506195723.745560fc.blayer@qwest.net> <20010507164442.1cc2e3ce.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Jon Schewe writes: > "Bill Layer" writes: > > > On 07 May 2001 15:30:02 -0500 > > "Jon Schewe" wrote: > > > > > Unfortunatly I've got the JE driver compiled in, not the VIA driver and > > it's > > > still busted. > > > > > > That's the problem - you want the VIA driver, *not* the JE... > > Ok, got it in. I can now backup my visor just fine. However when I try and > install anything pilot-xfer just hangs and the visor times out. I really > don't want to go back to 2.2.x, but I might have to at this rate. > Well I figured it out. Unforunatly Bill, you don't want the VIA driver. I just emailed the author of the visor driver and he states it only works with the usb-uhci.o driver, not uhci.o driver. Now that I've got them all compiled as modules and I've insmoded them, everything works. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 11 09:55:37 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: PCMCIA or USB / serial port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Someone mentioned earlier that one option is to do USB <--> serial. I'm > interested in any reports of success with these devices. I'm thinking in > particular of using it for a GPS unit, since all of those I know of still > use serial, but my vaio laptop requires a klunky port replicator to do > serial. > > I suspect you need 2.4 kernel, right? According to the Linux USB mailing list, a bunch of them work just fine, with 2.2.19 or 2.4. Check out www.linux-usb.org.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 11 10:52:26 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java IDEs for linux In-Reply-To: <200106101701.f5AH12K02010@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Joel T Schneider (jts@tc.umn.edu): > > A while ago, I bookmarked the open-source JSwat Java debugger: > > > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/jswat/ > > http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/ > > Ok, I know I have said this, but jswat really is good. > > It might be because it's 1:40 in the morning or because I have been > using stdout debugging for so long I forgot what a good debugger is, but > I have squashed more bugs in 1 night of coding then I could have hoped > for. Thanks for the info; I'll have to add JSwat to my toolbox now. Sometimes all you really want is a good debugger, not a big bloated IDE... Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jun 11 10:54:15 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB, visor and linux (FIX!) In-Reply-To: References: <20010506195723.745560fc.blayer@qwest.net> <20010507164442.1cc2e3ce.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010611105415.7790084d.blayer@qwest.net> On 11 Jun 2001 08:12:20 -0500 "Jon Schewe" wrote: > Jon Schewe writes: > Well I figured it out. Unforunatly Bill, you don't want the VIA driver. I > just emailed the author of the visor driver and he states it only works with > the usb-uhci.o driver, not uhci.o driver. Now that I've got them all compiled > as modules and I've insmoded them, everything works. Err, and usb-uhci *isn't* the VIA driver?!? It says so in 'menuconfig', & it seems to work fine with my controller... Just to confirm, it is the driver I am currently using. So, what exactly is the diff between the uhci and usb-uhci (seeing as they are BOTH usb drivers)? What is JE? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From fertch at mninter.net Mon Jun 11 11:05:22 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions on setup Message-ID: <3B24EC42.6616E725@mninter.net> I don't know if I should call this an intriguing opportunity, or the world's largest headache right now. Here's what I've got going on as a project for work: A client of ours uses Linux in a thin-client environment. Setup procedures I have no idea what it really looks like. I was handed our "support machine" to match their configuration as best as possible to try and get configured after it's been sitting for a year and a half. The reason it was disconnected and not used is because we've moved. At the time of the move, our whole network scenario was changed as well. What I've got sitting in front of me is an IBM thin-client (type 8362-A52) that's supposed to hit against a server (Toshiba desktop boot device in this case) that's running RH 5.0. Which then in turn hits against another server running our product. Or rather, so I'm told this is how it's supposed to go. Okay, so I've not played around on a Red Hat box before and don't know if I can change this to a newer version or distro. Anyone play around with a scenario like this, and what can I expect? Shawn From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 11 12:01:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions on setup In-Reply-To: <3B24EC42.6616E725@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Shawn wrote: > What I've got sitting in front of me is an IBM thin-client (type > 8362-A52) that's supposed to hit against a server (Toshiba desktop boot > device in this case) that's running RH 5.0. Which then in turn hits > against another server running our product. Or rather, so I'm told this > is how it's supposed to go. > > Okay, so I've not played around on a Red Hat box before and don't know > if I can change this to a newer version or distro. Anyone play around > with a scenario like this, and what can I expect? All depends on the software that's being used. Are the thinclients using BOOTP/DHCP to boot up, or are they Xterms? Does the Toshiba box actually run the application at all, or does it just provide a gateway to your application server? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Mon Jun 11 12:25:45 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB, visor and linux (FIX!) References: <200106111701.f5BH1pK26086@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B24FF19.4A19F4B3@steinerpoint.com> Bill Layer wrote: > Err, and usb-uhci *isn't* the VIA driver?!? It says so in 'menuconfig', & > it seems to work fine with my controller... Just to confirm, it is the > driver I am currently using. So, what exactly is the diff between the uhci > and usb-uhci (seeing as they are BOTH usb drivers)? What is JE? There are two UHCI USB host controller drivers: usb-uhci.o and uhci.o. They both do the same thing, use on or the other. With some hardware, drivers, or situations one works better than the other, you just have to try them both out. (The host controller handles the computer's side of the USB bus; the individual USB device drivers depend on the host controller driver to do the work of managing all communication on the USB bus. There are also different hardward standards, UHCI and OHCI, so there is also one OHCI driver and these two UHCI drivers.) There has been long discussion about just using one, but there are still situations where one is better than the other, so there is always someone who objects to getting rid of either one. JE stands for Johannes Erdfelt the author/maintainer of the uhci.o driver; this one has also been called the alternate uhci driver. It was actually first, then usb-uhci.o was a rewrite from scratch, but Johannes offered to maintain the original. I have been out of the USB stuff for a while now; it sounds like the usb-uhci driver is sometimes called the VIA driver, perhaps because it works better with VIA chipsets??? Sorry I am not up to date on this. -- Al From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 11 13:38:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992284709.3b25102542a7e@dragon> Hey, As soon as I get home today, the order will be closed, perhaps forever! If any of you are waiting for the last minute, this is pretty much it. I'll send Loki the list tonight. If they approve it, I'll as you all to mail me checks/MOs/whatever, which I won't deposit until everyone has sent theirs in and I'm sending my CC over to loki. -Yaron -- From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 11 13:57:50 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some more Anti-MSness Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11074.html But the paranoia is setting in as Bill weighs up a prospective alliance with Sun Microsystems. "There is no reason for them to do any of this except to attack Microsoft. Using SUN [sic] is just declaring war on us. The Nokia CEO seemed to appreciate how hardcore I was on this." | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From andy at theasis.com Mon Jun 11 14:08:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: <992284709.3b25102542a7e@dragon> Message-ID: Yaron, do you accept PayPal? Also not that I'm still willing to use my CC, if that helps at all. Andy On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > > As soon as I get home today, the order will be closed, perhaps forever! If any > of you are waiting for the last minute, this is pretty much it. > > I'll send Loki the list tonight. If they approve it, I'll as you all to mail me > checks/MOs/whatever, which I won't deposit until everyone has sent theirs in > and I'm sending my CC over to loki. > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 11 14:14:47 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992286887.3b2518a70ec5f@dragon> Hey, Quoting andy@theasis.com: > Yaron, do you accept PayPal? Nope. I tried to set that up once and it got all screwed up, and I needed to change my bank account. > Also not that I'm still willing to use my CC, if that helps at all. I assume that's "note" (: I know, thanks. But if we do this pay-in-advance I really don't have a problem using mine. How many people woul've used PayPal if it was available? -Yaron -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jun 11 14:34:06 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: <992286887.3b2518a70ec5f@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 02:14:47PM -0500 References: <992286887.3b2518a70ec5f@dragon> Message-ID: <20010611143406.A14167@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 02:14:47PM -0500, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > How many people woul've used PayPal if it was available? I would, if it were cost-competive with a check. But for amounts like these Paypal will charge you ~2%. So either you'd have to add the 2% on top ( and then I'd send a check ;) ) or you'd get hosed :( . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 11 14:35:28 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: <992286887.3b2518a70ec5f@dragon> Message-ID: > How many people woul've used PayPal if it was available? I would have, no biggie though, I think I still remember how to write a check and send snail mail... :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From joel at luths.net Mon Jun 11 15:20:59 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Some more Anti-MSness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992290859.3b25282b53038@www.luths.net> What about Symbian's Freedom to Innovate? Quoting "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" : > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11074.html > > But the paranoia is setting in as Bill weighs up a prospective alliance > with Sun Microsystems. "There is no reason for them to do any of this > except to attack Microsoft. Using SUN [sic] is just declaring war on us. > The Nokia CEO seemed to appreciate how hardcore I was on this." > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | > | Ivanova: "No boom today. 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> _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jun 11 22:36:13 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > How many people woul've used PayPal if it was available? I'd use Paypal. -Brian From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Jun 11 22:47:59 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: <992284709.3b25102542a7e@dragon> Message-ID: When are you hoping to get the cash? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of jethro@freakzilla.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed Hey, As soon as I get home today, the order will be closed, perhaps forever! If any of you are waiting for the last minute, this is pretty much it. I'll send Loki the list tonight. If they approve it, I'll as you all to mail me checks/MOs/whatever, which I won't deposit until everyone has sent theirs in and I'm sending my CC over to loki. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 12 00:18:22 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki order about to be closed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > When are you hoping to get the cash? Dunno. I'm waiting for Loki to actually accept the order, first, and then we'll see. I'd LIKE to think that it could be done within a week. It seems now that IF they approve our current request, it'll be around the $1000 mark. -Yaron -- From jstauffer at spscommerce.com Tue Jun 12 02:31:19 2001 From: jstauffer at spscommerce.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans Message-ID: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4AE6C@spedi-exchange> I have a Slot A (AMD Athlon 500) CPU that is getting too hot. It currently has a heat sink and fan on one side, but can I added another heat sink and fan to the other side? Any other suggestions for cooling? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010612/6e6b0fe7/attachment.htm From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Mon Jun 11 23:31:59 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans In-Reply-To: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4AE6C@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: I would try putting in a better case fan. Just an idea though.... Jason On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > I have a Slot A (AMD Athlon 500) CPU that is getting too hot. It currently > has a heat sink and fan on one side, but can I added another heat sink and > fan to the other side? Any other suggestions for cooling? > From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 12 06:42:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans References: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4AE6C@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: <3B260014.D2C5E21E@fandre.com> > James Stauffer wrote: > > I have a Slot A (AMD Athlon 500) CPU that is getting too hot. It > currently > has a heat sink and fan on one side, but can I added another heat sink > and > fan to the other side? Any other suggestions for cooling? You might need to add some circulation to your case. The best CPU fan won't help a lot if your case isn't circulating in cool air. There are fan cards that fit into a open slot on your system and is suppose to offer 40% more cooling, and they are really quiet. More computer shops should have them. Or else buy a couple of fans and put one near the front to suck air in and one towards the back to blow air out. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 12 08:45:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans In-Reply-To: <3B260014.D2C5E21E@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > You might need to add some circulation to your case. The best CPU fan > won't help a lot if your case isn't circulating in cool air. There are > fan cards that fit into a open slot on your system and is suppose to > offer 40% more cooling, and they are really quiet. More computer shops > should have them. Or else buy a couple of fans and put one near the > front to suck air in and one towards the back to blow air out. And if you want to be wise, find a filter -- cut down something from a humidifier/dehumidifier/air conditioner, or maybe even find a nice piece of closed cell foam with small holes. Air's good, but dust doesn't help. And write a cron job to tell you to clean the filter every few weeks / months. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jurupari at geocities.com Tue Jun 12 10:06:58 2001 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Mike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans In-Reply-To: <3B260014.D2C5E21E@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200106121507.f5CF77103970@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > You might need to add some circulation to your case. The best CPU fan > won't help a lot if your case isn't circulating in cool air. There are > fan cards that fit into a open slot on your system and is suppose to > offer 40% more cooling, and they are really quiet. More computer shops > should have them. Or else buy a couple of fans and put one near the > front to suck air in and one towards the back to blow air out. FYI, I have seen these at Best Buy also if anyone is looking for them. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 12 11:30:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A62808D7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> MicroCenter has a good selection of fans too. The general rule is to have one sucking air in at the bottom in the front of the machine, and then make sure the fan on your power supply is blowing out the back. If the power supply is sucking air in, take it apart and flip the fan around. Otherwise all of the hot air coming out of the power supply blows right on your CPU. Heat rises, so cold air in the bottom, and hot out the top is the most efficient. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [mailto:jurupari@geocities.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans > > > > > You might need to add some circulation to your case. The > best CPU fan > > won't help a lot if your case isn't circulating in cool > air. There are > > fan cards that fit into a open slot on your system and is suppose to > > offer 40% more cooling, and they are really quiet. More > computer shops > > should have them. Or else buy a couple of fans and put one near the > > front to suck air in and one towards the back to blow air out. > > FYI, I have seen these at Best Buy also if anyone is looking for them. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From michael at mimbach.com Tue Jun 12 11:31:03 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael James Mimbach II) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raid card References: <200106121507.f5CF77103970@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <00b801c0f35d$12b90f80$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> Hello, Im setting up a new server at work. I can not get debian to install and I have found little documentation on making a set of install floppies with the driver for the adaptec card? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Michael J. Mimbach II michael@mimbach.com Senior RF/Network Engineer From wilson at visi.com Tue Jun 12 11:56:37 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raid card In-Reply-To: <00b801c0f35d$12b90f80$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Michael James Mimbach II wrote: > Im setting up a new server at work. I can not get debian to install and I > have found little documentation on making a set of install floppies with the > driver for the adaptec card? Anybody have any ideas? There is some information on the Internet somewhere about how you can create a custom set of boot floppies. I don't have my notebook with me right now or I could be more specific. Assuming that whatever linux kernel you want to use supports that card, then it should be as simple as compiling a new kernel on a separate machine and using it to replace the stock one on the boot floppies. Again, intstructions are out there and it's quite simple. I had to do the same thing with a new Compaq server our school bought a few months ago. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 12 12:33:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raid card Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A62808DA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I had the same problem with a dell 4200 with the AMI megaraid card in it. The floppies did not have the driver. However, I tried booting from the CD instead, and the CD had the drivers I needed and the install then went just fine. You might wanna try the CD. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael James Mimbach II [mailto:michael@mimbach.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:31 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raid > card > > > Hello, > Im setting up a new server at work. I can not get debian to > install and I > have found little documentation on making a set of install > floppies with the > driver for the adaptec card? Anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Michael J. Mimbach II > michael@mimbach.com > Senior RF/Network Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 12 12:44:54 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raidcard In-Reply-To: <200106121701.f5CH1IK22155@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 wrote: > Hello, > Im setting up a new server at work. I can not get debian to install and I > have found little documentation on making a set of install floppies with the > driver for the adaptec card? Anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Michael J. Mimbach II > michael@mimbach.com > Senior RF/Network Engineer You might want to check out the "compact" installation diskette images: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.23-2001-04-15/images-1.44/compact/ The kernel on the "compact" diskettes includes support for a variety of RAID controllers. I recently used them to install debian on an old Compaq Proliant with SMART disk array controller. Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From ben at nerp.net Tue Jun 12 12:53:36 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raid card In-Reply-To: <00b801c0f35d$12b90f80$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hi mike, you might want to send to the list, a complete spec layout of the box, so we would have a better idea what the problem is Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Michael James Mimbach II wrote: > Hello, > Im setting up a new server at work. I can not get debian to install and I > have found little documentation on making a set of install floppies with the > driver for the adaptec card? Anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Michael J. Mimbach II > michael@mimbach.com > Senior RF/Network Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOyZXIctpDhsSpvgtAQHvGAQAydViXxAkk1F8weTv5Y8Wjp7I737yWBO5 AiKv2JVrEfjFOPaQ9R5Mh6kHstVqwx8WIYKEFiZoTgYdjD/qSHWZDMNRK/aL9R5K 0/TmYs0mPc5uaIzo8Jmgv1tgbLs2c+ydSb8a0n6uC8vY3fkmEP2z8/ZOF78WauFI 8GEqFagq+9w= =HVzy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zibby at ringworld.org Tue Jun 12 13:34:27 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raidcard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I you sure about the compact disks? Last time I tried booting with it I had no SCSI support what so ever. The compact disks are what you need to get a system with common hardware installed. Using the CD is your best bet, the kernel there should have everything. If you check the installation instructions ( http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html ) you may notice the link on how to replace the rescue floppy kernel. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s-rescue-replace-kernel Lastly you can try the extra modules for your hardware option durring the installer, but I don't think that will work when the extra module is for your hard disk controller, and I can't find the documentation for that... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 12 14:00:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki: "Yes, with a 'but'". Message-ID: Hi, Ok! Loki said they have no problem with our order! Well, with the numbers, anyway. However, there's a few issues: 1) Q3A is no longer available. Apparently Loki and ID's agreement ran out (and I have my never-getting-used-anymore copy just sittign here). 2) CivCTP is on backorder, they expect it within a week though. 3) Rune will be released next week - so anyone who wants that can get it. Here's what I'd like to do: I'll email the people who confirmed, again, with your price, and my address. I would like for everyone to mail me a check or MO for the amount, which I won't deposit until Loki has taken the order and charged my CC. I'll leave the discussion on that open till tomorrow - anyone with better ideas (paypal etc) please voice them now. Loki will not accept many little payments, they want one big one. -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 12 09:06:49 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG INSTALLFEST CANCELLED!!! Message-ID: <3B2621F9.3F625854@fandre.com> The TCLUG installfest that was scheduled for June 16th has been cancelled. We will try to schedule one for August or September. If you have any questions, please send them to info@mn-linux.org. _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 12 14:07:54 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spambots and the tclug list Message-ID: <20010612140754.D26984@real-time.com> Looks like the spambots are trying to subscribe themselves to the list. While I believe the TCLUG is popular, I don't think 50 people from hotmail.com suddenly wanted to be on our list. I am seeing similar thing from yahoo.com. What are we to do? I am no longer going to accept subscribe requests from either hotmail.com or yahoo.com. Comments, complaints, send them to be personally. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jun 12 14:54:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spambots and the tclug list In-Reply-To: <20010612140754.D26984@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:07:54PM -0500 References: <20010612140754.D26984@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010612145457.C23916@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:07:54PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Comments, complaints, send them to be personally. Thanks. > I feel your pain Bob. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010612/445f8b69/attachment.pgp From mccloud at wiredhot.net Tue Jun 12 15:22:36 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans In-Reply-To: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4AE6C@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: <3B2633BC.11350.2E0FDDC@localhost> I have two machines running the Athlon 500, both have dual fans. I dont have any problems with heat and mine are on 24/7. I suggest running dual fans and getting a case fan. Bob On 12 Jun 2001, at 2:31, James Stauffer wrote: > I have a Slot A (AMD Athlon 500) CPU that is getting too hot. It > currently has a heat sink and fan on one side, but can I added another > heat sink and fan to the other side? Any other suggestions for > cooling? > From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Tue Jun 12 17:06:54 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop References: <200106041329.f54DTAK07392@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T model, but I am open to recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an older discounted or refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone would recommend for this? Mail order? Thanks, -- Al From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 12 17:31:31 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] v90 modem upgrade Message-ID: <3B269843.D2CD61A4@fandre.com> So I have a couple of sportster modems that are identical, except one I flashed to v90 a couple of years ago and works great. I usually connect around 50k. Now I want to flash the other one, but can't find anything on USR's website or on the internet for this model modem. Is there a way to download the flash image off of one modem and load it onto another one? Or does somebody have the flash program for a USR Sportster 56k 00178600, model 0459? From brandon at rhinoventures.com Tue Jun 12 17:57:33 2001 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: v90 modem upgrade In-Reply-To: <3B269843.D2CD61A4@fandre.com> References: <3B269843.D2CD61A4@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01061217564900.01493@dexter.rhinoventures.com> Try the http://www.56k.com website. I have had luck from time to time finding websites which have winmodem/USR flashes and drivers by starting there. On Tuesday 12 June 2001 05:31 pm: > So I have a couple of sportster modems that are identical, except one I > flashed to v90 a couple of years ago and works great. I usually connect > around 50k. Now I want to flash the other one, but can't find anything > on USR's website or on the internet for this model modem. Is there a way > to download the flash image off of one modem and load it onto another > one? Or does somebody have the flash program for a USR Sportster 56k > 00178600, model 0459? -- Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ From brandon at rhinoventures.com Tue Jun 12 18:04:08 2001 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop In-Reply-To: <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> References: <200106041329.f54DTAK07392@sprite.real-time.com> <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: <01061218040802.01493@dexter.rhinoventures.com> When I time comes that I have money again (ha ha ha) I am planning to purchase a Dell Inspirion model. Saw someone had one of those (model 7500?) at a previous installfest and was very impressed with it. On Tuesday 12 June 2001 05:06 pm: > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T model, but I am > open to recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an older > discounted or refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone > would recommend for this? Mail order? > > Thanks, > -- Al -- Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 12 18:04:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop In-Reply-To: <01061218040802.01493@dexter.rhinoventures.com>; from brandon@rhinoventures.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 06:04:08PM -0500 References: <200106041329.f54DTAK07392@sprite.real-time.com> <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> <01061218040802.01493@dexter.rhinoventures.com> Message-ID: <20010612180448.B18625@real-time.com> Quoting Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com): > > When I time comes that I have money again (ha ha ha) I am planning to > purchase > a Dell Inspirion model. Saw someone had one of those (model 7500?) at a > previous installfest and was very impressed with it. Sony Vaio PCG-F590K -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 12 18:05:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A62808E3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The HP Omnibook 500 series is probably the sweetest laptop I've ever used. Generally I think HP makes crap, but the Omnibook 500 (it's a slimtop) is one excellent piece of work. Linux installs and runs perfectly on it, even the sound and onboard nic works. Someone was selling some refurbs on ebay awhile back that went for $799 each (PIII 500 w/ 7.5GB drive). Oh yeah, and the best part.... It has blue leds on it for the hard drive light, and the caps and numlock. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Borchers [mailto:alborchers@steinerpoint.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:07 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop > > > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T > model, but I am open > to > recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an > older discounted or > refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone > would recommend for > this? Mail order? > > Thanks, > -- Al > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jun 12 18:21:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A62808E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > When I time comes that I have money again (ha ha ha) I am planning to > purchase > a Dell Inspirion model. Saw someone had one of those (model > 7500?) at a > previous installfest and was very impressed with it. We buy ALOT of dell laptops, and the general consensus among the people who have them is that they suck. We have had alot of random problems with hardware failures that required us to send them back to Dell. The sony's we have seem to work quite well, but if you drop them once they're done for, and linux support for them isn't that great depending on what model you have. Personally, I'd go with the HP Omnibook 500, I've never used or seen a nicer laptop. Check out the HP before you buy anything, you'll fall in love with it. Make sure it's the Omnibook 500 though, the other Omnibooks are kinda big and "brickish". > -----Original Message----- > From: Brandon Freels [mailto:brandon@rhinoventures.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop > > > > When I time comes that I have money again (ha ha ha) I am planning to > purchase > a Dell Inspirion model. Saw someone had one of those (model > 7500?) at a > previous installfest and was very impressed with it. > > > On Tuesday 12 June 2001 05:06 pm: > > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T > model, but I am > > open to recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If > possible an older > > discounted or refurbished model. Is there any place in > town that anyone > > would recommend for this? Mail order? > > > > Thanks, > > -- Al > > -- > > Domo. Ja na. > > Brandon Freels > (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) > "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" > GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 12 18:25:25 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a debian box using the adaptec 2100s raidcard In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:34:27PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010612182524.A30228@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:34:27PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I you sure about the compact disks? Last time I tried booting with it I > had no SCSI support what so ever. The compact disks are what you need to > get a system with common hardware installed. The compact disk set has at least NCR 53x8yy SCSI drivers. I dunno about others... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 12 18:29:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop In-Reply-To: <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com>; from alborchers@steinerpoint.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:06:54PM -0500 References: <200106041329.f54DTAK07392@sprite.real-time.com> <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: <20010612182911.B30228@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:06:54PM -0500, Al Borchers wrote: > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T model, but I am open > to > recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an older discounted or > refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone would recommend for > this? Mail order? I have a Toshiba Sattelite 2805-S401. It works great with linux: there are even drivers for the modem though I've never tried them. The next model (now on sale is S402). It runs for $2200 with a 128MB RAM/20GB HDD/15" monitor/PIII 850/... It even has a DVD/CD-RW combo. It's heavy but if you want a workhorse this is the way to go. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From andy at theasis.com Tue Jun 12 13:40:44 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop In-Reply-To: <20010612180448.B18625@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Sony Vaio PCG-F590K Bah! go for the R505. It's 4 lbs, has built-in ethernet, is not purple anymore, and the slimdock is slick. But best of all the stock battery is 4 hrs, while the double capacity is 8 hrs. Andy From dan at williamsongraphics.com Tue Jun 12 19:06:35 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop Message-ID: <01061219063504.13916@morpheus.hellnet> I highly recommend a Dell Inspiron 4000. I have had nothing but good luck with it. Mandrale 8.0 runs rock solid. It came with a winmodem, but I never use it any way. From ben at nerp.net Tue Jun 12 18:54:52 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop In-Reply-To: <3B26927E.FDD113D9@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I'm on my thinkpad T21 right now, runing progeny linux.. i love it. :) I'd have everything working.. except the internal modem.. but the driver is there, waiting for my lazy ass to install it. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Al Borchers wrote: > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T model, but I am open > to > recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an older discounted or > refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone would recommend for > this? Mail order? > > Thanks, > -- Al > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOyarzctpDhsSpvgtAQEvXgP/QEjnwNl4k6F0KgHiQFXQ/f+f+EYsyZ7S VIGAinEiLXoUySg6/U3xKZnVVE9ql/Ml0RP/5z6pEcfZmvDM60yz2JVVDZs2LGgD S9iqNKy9bu7bUWtyAWmOls3yKEehEzCzhR+cTbP6NUIskfAKx48EBoPGV1g1ofut 0vm21mcRSNU= =cg3o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 12 19:58:23 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Slot A CPU fans References: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4AE6C@spedi-exchange> <3B260014.D2C5E21E@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3B26BAAF.5C6C4AFD@haxxed.com> > > I have a Slot A (AMD Athlon 500) CPU that is getting too hot. It > > currently > > has a heat sink and fan on one side, but can I added another heat sink > > and > > fan to the other side? Any other suggestions for cooling? An additional case fan? http://www.haxxed.com/random/mymess/nd620035.jpg From andy at theasis.com Tue Jun 12 15:09:14 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki: "Yes, with a 'but'". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ok! Loki said they have no problem with our order! Well, with the numbers, > anyway. However, there's a few issues: > > 1) Q3A is no longer available. Apparently Loki and ID's agreement ran out > (and I have my never-getting-used-anymore copy just sittign here). > 2) CivCTP is on backorder, they expect it within a week though. > 3) Rune will be released next week - so anyone who wants that can get it. 4) The TCLUG installfest that was scheduled for June 16th has been cancelled. We will try to schedule one for August or September. Remember that we're supposed to have a "LUG Event" for the games. This is beneficial besides just following the rules: Yaron & others don't have to see the process of delivery drag out ad infinitum. So, does that mean we need to have a beer meeting sometime after delivery and hand these things off out of someone's trunk? Andy From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 12 20:09:47 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Serial console on Suns.. Message-ID: <20010612200947.06031bf0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> We got a new Sun E220R at work a few days ago. I finally powered it up today, though I had some trouble getting the serial console going, which leads to my query.. I acquired a cable (female DB9 to male DB25) that was labeled as a null modem cable and set up minicom to run at 9600, 8N1. Nothing happened. Finally, after digging all over the place for another cable, I gave up and connected that cable to another cable -- supposedly a printer extension (female DB25 to male DB25) -- and everything worked! This makes me wonder a few things. First, the serial port on a normal Sun box is a female DB25. On a PC, OTOH, it's usually a male DB9 or DB25. Why is that? It seems to imply that you don't need a null modem cable to connect a PC to a Sun, though PC<->PC and Sun<->Sun still need null modem cables. Is that true? Secondly, why would it suddenly start working with a printer cable in the middle? I guess I had left the cable disconnected for a few minutes while I was digging around, so could the port have somehow reset while nothing was connected to it? Oh yeah.. This is labeled Off Topic, though the first thing I did once I got to a console was to install Debian ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never let school get in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the way of your \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) education. -- Mark Twain [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010612/c52b4455/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 12 20:57:05 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Sony Vaio PCG-F590K > > Bah! go for the R505. It's 4 lbs, has built-in ethernet, is not purple > anymore, and the slimdock is slick. But best of all the stock battery is 4 > hrs, while the double capacity is 8 hrs. Wow. Does it make toast, too? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Tue Jun 12 21:21:36 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop In-Reply-To: <20010612182911.B30228@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Toshiba satellite 2805-s-402 has the geforce2go graphics chipset, so you can play quake with the best of em. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:06:54PM -0500, Al Borchers wrote: > I need to buy a laptop quick. Probably a Thinkpad A or T model, but I am open > to > recommendations as long as it runs Linux. If possible an older discounted or > refurbished model. Is there any place in town that anyone would recommend for > this? Mail order? I have a Toshiba Sattelite 2805-S401. It works great with linux: there are even drivers for the modem though I've never tried them. The next model (now on sale is S402). It runs for $2200 with a 128MB RAM/20GB HDD/15" monitor/PIII 850/... It even has a DVD/CD-RW combo. It's heavy but if you want a workhorse this is the way to go. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 12 21:20:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Wow. Does it make toast, too? Put a slice of bread next to the vents on my Tecra and it'll make toast, easily. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 12 23:26:19 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up Message-ID: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> I understand that banning yahoo.com and hotmail.com is a pain in the butt. If their abuse department would even -acknowledge- the fact that they have spammers I would lift the ban. But mail to abuse gives you the auto-gen response and they never follow up. I have even tried a phone call and got a very polite support tech who told me I have to work with the abuse department. FAQs: Q: Can't you just let me through? A: Mailman does not have a way to identify just 'you'. I can pattern match on any SMTP header, but those can be easily forged. Q: Can't you do a POP-before-SMTP hack thing? A: I could, but I don't really want to maintain a list of accounts on my server for all the TCLUG users who want to post. A: The problem where facing is not really a relaying problem, which the POP-before-SMTP thing addresses. We are facing a problem where spammers sign up for accounts en-mass and then attempt to sign those accounts up to the mailing list, so they can spam the list. All the lists we have only allow posting to the list if you are a subscriber. Q: I have -only- yahoo mail or hotmail, I can't do email anywhere else. A: I personally find that hard to believe. Neither of these services provide physical connectivity to the 'net, so you should be able to post to the list from your isp account. If your isp does not provide email/pop services, then I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what type of isp does not provide email services? Q: This sucks. (ok, not really a question) A: Yes it does. Look at it from my stand point. I deal with over 100,000 spam messages a day. As an isp we are on the front-lines of the spam war. All I ask is that you post from your isp account. Q: You suck for doing this to me. A: While it may look like I am doing this just to -you-, I am really doing it to protect the other subscribers on the list. Spam makes the list look bad. We all get enough spam already, I don't want to add to it. Spam make -me- look bad, like I cannot secure the mailing list server. But most of all, this is a democracy, and the majority rules. The majority want spam free mailing list. I am attempting to provide this. As always, I am open to comments and complaints via personal email. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jun 12 23:44:19 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up In-Reply-To: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Q: I have -only- yahoo mail or hotmail, I can't do email anywhere else. > A: I personally find that hard to believe. Neither of these services > provide physical connectivity to the 'net, so you should be able to > post to the list from your isp account. If your isp does not provide > email/pop services, then I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what > type of isp does not provide email services? People who have net access only at work, but aren't allowed to use work email for personal stuff, but are allowed to use the web from work. People whose spouse, parents, housemates, etc. have DSL or cable modem service, but who do not themselves have an internet account. I'm *not* intending to argue with your decision; just pointing out the reasonable ways people could have only free email access. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jspinti at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 12 23:47:44 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up In-Reply-To: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01061223474400.08382@pii400> On Tuesday 12 June 2001 23:26, you wrote: > Q: I have -only- yahoo mail or hotmail, I can't do email anywhere else. > A: I personally find that hard to believe. Neither of these services > provide physical connectivity to the 'net, so you should be able to post to > the list from your isp account. If your isp does not provide email/pop > services, then I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what type of isp does not > provide email services? Even if they don't, there are hundreds of free e-mail places on the web. I have 3 or 4 different IMAP accounts on different domains. The one I have had the best success with is www.burningmail.com. My daughter found it on a Linux site over a year ago. Thanks for trying to keep the list spam free. -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jun 13 00:10:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up In-Reply-To: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 11:26:19PM -0500 References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010613001051.A431@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 11:26:19PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >I understand that banning yahoo.com and hotmail.com is a pain in the butt. If >their abuse department would even -acknowledge- the fact that they have spammers >I would lift the ban. bah! To hell with it, you got my vote. Hell, this is a linux list, perhaps people could install an MTA, register a domainname and serve thier own mail. As if I don't have enough to do.... > >But mail to abuse gives you the auto-gen response and they never follow up. I >have even tried a phone call and got a very polite support tech who told me I >have to work with the abuse department. > >FAQs: > >Q: Can't you just let me through? >A: Mailman does not have a way to identify just 'you'. I can pattern > match on any SMTP header, but those can be easily forged. >Q: Can't you do a POP-before-SMTP hack thing? >A: I could, but I don't really want to maintain a list of accounts on my server > for all the TCLUG users who want to post. >A: The problem where facing is not really a relaying problem, which the > POP-before-SMTP thing addresses. We are facing a problem where spammers sign > up for accounts en-mass and then attempt to sign those accounts up to the > mailing list, so they can spam the list. All the lists we have only allow > posting to the list if you are a subscriber. >Q: I have -only- yahoo mail or hotmail, I can't do email anywhere else. >A: I personally find that hard to believe. Neither of these services provide > physical connectivity to the 'net, so you should be able to post to the list > from your isp account. If your isp does not provide email/pop services, then > I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what type of isp does not provide email > services? >Q: This sucks. (ok, not really a question) >A: Yes it does. Look at it from my stand point. I deal with over 100,000 spam > messages a day. As an isp we are on the front-lines of the spam war. All I > ask is that you post from your isp account. >Q: You suck for doing this to me. >A: While it may look like I am doing this just to -you-, I am really doing it to > protect the other subscribers on the list. Spam makes the list look bad. We > all get enough spam already, I don't want to add to it. Spam make -me- look > bad, like I cannot secure the mailing list server. But most of all, this is a > democracy, and the majority rules. The majority want spam free mailing list. > I am attempting to provide this. > >As always, I am open to comments and complaints via personal email. >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If your isp does not provide > > email/pop services, then I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what > > type of isp does not provide email services? > > People who have net access only at work, but aren't allowed to use > work email for personal stuff, but are allowed to use the web from > work. People whose spouse, parents, housemates, etc. have DSL or > cable modem service, but who do not themselves have an internet > account. I am personally using www dot crosswinds dot net and www dot xoasis dot com. Both offer SMTP/POP. Now I only hope that spammers won't read this ;) Thanks Bob for your efforts to keep the list "clean". florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 13 01:42:15 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> <20010613002232.A24157@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B270B47.F267E842@haxxed.com> > I am personally using www dot crosswinds dot net and www dot xoasis dot com. > Both offer SMTP/POP. Now I only hope that spammers won't read this ;) > > Thanks Bob for your efforts to keep the list "clean". I agree with the decision to block yahoo etc, but it doesn't need to be a *total* ban. I suggest if you really* need to subscribe to the list, you say call Bob up on the phone, or maybe snail mail a signed form and a copy of your photo ID... Until the spammers start going *that* far to spew there spam... From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Wed Jun 13 01:19:59 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Laptop References: <200106130524.f5D5OAK07025@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B27060F.43316A73@steinerpoint.com> Thanks for all the suggestions. I considered the IBM T22, HP Omnibook 500, and Sony R505. HP is having a sale now and that machine looks like my favorite. -- Al From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Tue Jun 12 23:25:26 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy Message-ID: Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not thinking very clearly. Jason wannabelinuxadmin From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Jun 13 07:03:36 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B275698.FCA00761@gvtel.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Bob Tanner writes: > > > Q: I have -only- yahoo mail or hotmail, I can't do email anywhere else. > > > A: I personally find that hard to believe. Neither of these services > > provide physical connectivity to the 'net, so you should be able to > > post to the list from your isp account. If your isp does not provide > > email/pop services, then I guess your are screwed :-) -But- what > > type of isp does not provide email services? > > People who have net access only at work, but aren't allowed to use > work email for personal stuff, but are allowed to use the web from > work. People whose spouse, parents, housemates, etc. have DSL or > cable modem service, but who do not themselves have an internet > account. > > I'm *not* intending to argue with your decision; just pointing out the > reasonable ways people could have only free email access. Some of these people should then check some of the lesser know mail services like Visto.com or Military.com (IIRC) RS From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Wed Jun 13 08:01:29 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First off you need to dump that floppy disk there. You couldn't possibly have picked a less reliable data storage medium. If *really* want to go that route then I'd suggest you install your floppy-ized distro to the hard drive and turn the floppy into an, Overwrite-the-hard-drive-with-the-standard-config floppy. Anyway, there are loads of single floppy distros out on the internet. I haven't tried any given my prejudice but you should prbably just try a few and see which ones you like. Josh __SIG__ On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ming wrote: > > > Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load > nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy > write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have > to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more > thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not > thinking very clearly. > > > Jason > wannabelinuxadmin > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Jun 13 08:09:49 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy References: Message-ID: <3B27661D.7E11E34C@stonel.com> This might be a good starting point, a number of links to other sites. http://lrp.c0wz.com/ I tried Coyote a while back but had some problems-ping would give strange responses-wouldn't even ping localhost correctly. I think it was a bug in Busybox-probably fixed by now. Another one I have used and has some nice features is Eigerstein2Beta. Regards, Bob Ming wrote: > > Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load > nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy > write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have > to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more > thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not > thinking very clearly. > > Jason > wannabelinuxadmin From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jun 13 08:34:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: <3B27661D.7E11E34C@stonel.com> References: <3B27661D.7E11E34C@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20010613083458.5b7627eb.blayer@qwest.net> Hi, > > Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load > > nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy > > write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have > > to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more > > thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not > > thinking very clearly. This already exists; it is called floppyfw and it is both reliable and stable. http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/ By the way... floppy disks are not all that unreliable.. the microcomputing world pretty much ran on them for a decade, and they seemed to hold up just fine, even the 5-1/4 media. However, I will give you this much: the 3.5" floppy disks mass-produced in the last few years, and frequently sold by the 50 pack for $10 are worth what you pay for them; that is, virtually nothing. Buy a quality media, run it in a clean, maintained drive, and reliability can be quite acceptable. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dan at williamsongraphics.com Wed Jun 13 08:48:49 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal Message-ID: <01061308484907.13916@morpheus.hellnet> Does anyone know if we will be charged to switch our DSL service over to another ISP if we dont want to use M$N? I checked Qwest's site, but there hasn't been any more announcements. Also, now that we are cutting down on the spam, could more people trim their posts? From andy at theasis.com Wed Jun 13 04:26:17 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <01061308484907.13916@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: > Does anyone know if we will be charged to switch our DSL service over to > another ISP if we dont want to use M$N? I bet your Qwest customer service rep does. Why not call or email them? Andy From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 09:46:21 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <01061308484907.13916@morpheus.hellnet>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 08:48:49AM -0500 References: <01061308484907.13916@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: <20010613094621.E30279@cyclone.localdomain> Well, if you're using Qwest.net now (or MSN if they've switched), Qwest (or MSN) won't charge you to switch to a different ISP, unless, of course, you've signed some sort of contract with them stating that you'd use their service for given period of time. In which case you may be breaking that contract and be subject to whatever penalties the contract stated you would be subject to if you were to break it. If no such contract exists, you could easily switch ISPs, but most ISPs charge some sort of setup fee for initiating an account with them (in my experience, it's been in the $20-$40 range), so you may have to pay _something_ to switch to a new ISP. On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 08:48:49AM -0500, dan wrote: > Does anyone know if we will be charged to switch our DSL service over to > another ISP if we dont want to use M$N? [snip] Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jack at jacku.com Wed Jun 13 09:53:13 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) Message-ID: <01061309531300.02100@geezer> Warning: The following was set of by an article in Network World Fusion that can be found at: http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2001/0604kearns.html I apologize in advance for the length and incoherence that follows. Its interesting that when Microsoft engages in a traditional marketing tactic, the "loss leader", it is "innovating". When others do it, it is unAmerican, or in Mr. Kearns' words "almost communistic". After all what difference is there between giving away a browser, to sell servers and OS licenses and giving away any type of software to sell services. What eats at Mundie, Kearns and others who have joined in the flailing of the Open Source community is that while Microsoft simple destroyed the viability of a single software category, Web Browsers on Windows, the OSS community is potentially destroying the entire multi-billion dollar software industry. While the scale may be different the tactics are not. WIth respect to licensing, a similar arguement can be made. If I license a component and distribute it with a piece of software I am bound by the limitations and restrictions of that license. If I wish not to be bound by such a license I do one of two things: I find a license that is more consistant with my distribution plans OR I write my own "work-alike" component. If I can't or don't want to do either of these I bite the bullet and live by the license of the software I want to use. Again the issue is the details not the tactics. MS and other proprietary/commodity software companies right their licenses to protect what is important to them. Authors who use the GPL and other OS licenses do so to protect what they feel is most important. So my message to those that would label the Open Source/Free Software movement "unamerican" is, "You are more like us than you think." I'm sure others will have differing opinions. Fire at will. ;-) Jack From dave at droyer.org Wed Jun 13 09:52:10 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal Message-ID: I switched over to use Bob & company (Real-time) for my DSL ISP. This was a few months ago so I don't remember the specifics. THere was probably a small service fee (maybe $25 or so) but the benefits of switching far out weighed any fee. Dave Royer On 13 Jun 2001 04:26:17 -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if we will be charged to switch our DSL service over to > > another ISP if we dont want to use M$N? > > I bet your Qwest customer service rep does. Why not call or email them? > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jun 13 09:59:48 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) In-Reply-To: <01061309531300.02100@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:53:13AM -0500 References: <01061309531300.02100@geezer> Message-ID: <20010613095948.C15037@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:53:13AM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I'm sure others will have differing opinions. Yeah, but I don't think Gates, Ballmer, or Mundie read this list. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 10:14:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) In-Reply-To: <20010613095948.C15037@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > I'm sure others will have differing opinions. > > Yeah, but I don't think Gates, Ballmer, or Mundie read this list. hmm... maybe we should sign them up for the digest! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 13 10:19:42 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:52:10AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010613101942.A8908@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:52:10AM -0500, David Royer wrote: > I switched over to use Bob & company (Real-time) for my DSL ISP. This was > a few months ago so I don't remember the specifics. THere was probably a > small service fee (maybe $25 or so) but the benefits of switching far out > weighed any fee. > DISCLAIMER: This is not a flamebait. I have checked real-time prices: they ask $50/mo for 512K. I pay $20/mo at Qwest for "640K, guaranteed 256K" and I get 64KB downloads - that amounts to almost 512K. So I don't see any benefits for changing, unless the "K"s on real-time's page mean KiloBytes and not Kilobits. [With all apologies due to Bob,] florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Jun 13 10:20:32 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) In-Reply-To: <01061309531300.02100@geezer> Message-ID: Having just read the article, I find myself wondering... He got paid to write an article that short and lacking in content? Editorial or no, I would generally expect a bit more information than the 8 paragraphs he wrote. If he's going to offer a contrary opinion, he could at least back it up with something. He comes off as being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > Warning: The following was set of by an article in Network World Fusion that > can be found at: > > http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2001/0604kearns.html > > Jack From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Jun 13 10:23:24 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) In-Reply-To: <01061309531300.02100@geezer> Message-ID: In terms those spreading FUD may understand: Say I create a nifty library. Something everybody needs. Something everybody wants. But I worked very hard on it, and I want compensation for my hard work. The compensation I'm asking for: the source to any software using my library must be made available in the same fashion my source code is available. If that's asking too much, write your own library. You don't have to compensate me until you finish the project after all. Now say Microsoft creates a nifty library. Something everybody wants. Something everybody needs. But some of their staff worked very hard on it, and the company wants compensation. So they wrap it into developer kits, MFC's, etc. So you buy into these developer resources. Now that they've been compensated, you can start work on your project. Now if you go with the cancer analogy, treatment for cancer is cut it out and expensive therapy. So going by that, Linux, the GPL, LGPL, etc. are nothing more than a wart. Cut it out (the GPL Library) and let heal. (replace it with your own library.) With the MS Library, you can cut it out, but you've allready compensated Microsoft, and possibly have a continuing agreement. And since you're compiling on a MS Platform to start with, perhaps your using a MS developer suite. (Which you payed for.), with other MS libaries, developer kits, and MFCs (which, you payed for...), building on a MS Operating System (which you payed for), supported by a MS Server Operating System, (which you payed dearly for.)... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | | Always a boom tomorrow." | From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 13 10:21:27 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal References: <01061308484907.13916@morpheus.hellnet> <20010613094621.E30279@cyclone.localdomain> Message-ID: <007301c0f41c$852303e0$3028680a@tgt.com> QWest charges a fee when you change ISPs for DSL, the ISP's don't unless by contract. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Turner" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal > Well, if you're using Qwest.net now (or MSN if they've switched), Qwest (or > MSN) won't charge you to switch to a different ISP, unless, of course, > you've signed some sort of contract with them stating that you'd use their > service for given period of time. In which case you may be breaking that > contract and be subject to whatever penalties the contract stated you would > be subject to if you were to break it. > > If no such contract exists, you could easily switch ISPs, but most ISPs > charge some sort of setup fee for initiating an account with them (in my > experience, it's been in the $20-$40 range), so you may have to pay > _something_ to switch to a new ISP. > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 08:48:49AM -0500, dan wrote: > > Does anyone know if we will be charged to switch our DSL service over to > > another ISP if we dont want to use M$N? > > [snip] > > Gabe > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu > SGI Origin Systems Administrator, > University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute > for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 10:29:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613101942.A8908@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > DISCLAIMER: This is not a flamebait. > > I have checked real-time prices: they ask $50/mo for 512K. > > I pay $20/mo at Qwest for "640K, guaranteed 256K" and I get 64KB downloads > - that amounts to almost 512K. Our web site is out of date. what we call 256k = 640k down 256k up what we call 512k = 640k down 512k up that's how qwest provisions lines now, and we don't traffic shape dsl on our end. > So I don't see any benefits for changing, unless the "K"s on real-time's page > mean KiloBytes and not Kilobits. > > [With all apologies due to Bob,] > florin > > -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jun 13 10:36:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010613103635.V21645@ringworld.org> > that's how qwest provisions lines now, and we don't traffic shape dsl on > our end. What kind of connectivity to the internet do you have, and how do you handle outbound bandwidth contengincy issues? At least you hopefully use some sort of method other than fifo to keep from one user kabashing everyones party. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, that's definitely better. Now: how much for static IP and DNS hosting? Your web page doesn't say that either... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Jun 13 11:07:21 2001 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail.com, yahoo.com ban follow up References: <20010612232619.A4408@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B278FB9.A315EDED@citilink.com> Thanks for all your efforts! It really is appreciated. Chris Gahlon From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jun 13 11:14:05 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) Message-ID: I sent this feedback on it a couple days ago: Dear NWFusion People, I found this article shallow. Although it may be easy and popular to equate Open Source Software and communism (whether the 'c' is small or large, it is "un-american"), it does overlook that fact that communism (as is capitalism for that matter) is an approach used to distribute scarce goods and resources. Software in the age of the Internet is not a scarce resource and I don't think the description is an apt one regardless. It is hard to discern if Mr. Kearns is just being indulgent in his over the top generalization of what Open Source licensing means to a copyright holder, or if he doesn't understand it. In the end, it seems that he doesn't see that the generations that follow ours will be much more sophisticated than we with regard to computers in general, and to software in particular. When we are older, perhaps Mr. Kearns will write an article on how "We Now Live In A Geeks-Only World". Or perhaps just "Geeks-Mostly". Regards, Troy Johnson From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 11:20:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613105722.A16031@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Well, that's definitely better. Now: how much for static IP and DNS hosting? > Your web page doesn't say that either... I actually don't know; drop a message to sales@real-time.com, or call 952-943-8700 and ask for someone in sales. I know we offer DNS hosting for free to business users, not sure about personal/tclug.. I believe we also have a TCLUG special running with a 8-ip subnet for DSL, but I'm not positive. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 11:24:25 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613103635.V21645@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > What kind of connectivity to the internet do you have, and how do you > handle outbound bandwidth contengincy issues? At least you hopefully > use some sort of method other than fifo to keep from one user kabashing > everyones party. We've got 2 T1's (Sprint and UUNet), and do bandwidth monitoring and deal with heavy usage as it becomes a problem. (Actually haven't ever had an issue with it yet). On our Sprint link we're averaging 21.6kbytes/sec in and 40.7kbytes/sec out for the last month. On the UUNet link we're averaging 45.4kbytes/sec in, and 55.0kbytes/sec out (this is the link that gets nailed for the distributions mirrors every night.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jun 13 11:30:42 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010613113041.W21645@ringworld.org> > We've got 2 T1's (Sprint and UUNet), and do bandwidth monitoring and deal > with heavy usage as it becomes a problem. (Actually haven't ever had an > issue with it yet). Ok. I've just been working with my own machine becoming a problem on a single t1. :) As a temporary measure ive been using rate-limit to limit specific services, but I'm thinking about playing with some CBQ with flow-based WRED to get it to work, mostly so the traffic off of a few machines dont totally kill the rest of the users. Sadly, we have a frame link and thats most of the problem, if it were ptp it wouldn't be a big deal. Oh well. Just was trying to gain input. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So tell me, is there a class i might be able to take at the local community college which informs me of how best to throw around buzz words and insults with no backing facts (not to mention content) whatsoever and still remain respectable enough to fool publishers into printing my garbage? Or do you have a PR person for that? Shared source as more "American" than a system like the GPL (which, by the way, lends itself much more easily to the traditions of co-authored innovation that has driven this country) is ridiculous. The claims that Microsoft has made and that you are backing are akin to exploiting the elderly with scare tactics. Your elderly are misinformed and impressionable execs who have little or no practical knowledge and in turn believe whatever they are told by big business reps. Who is fault is questionable too because those execs should be listening to the people who need to do the work for them and not those that are selling... Microsoft's unemphatic kowtowing to corporate heads and their attempts to woo the infantry of the computer industry by invoking "shared" and "source" is deplorable and ineffectual. Microsoft's idea of "American" is control. They wish to control what I see and hear, how i see and hear it, and how I am able to create. They succeed, and can only succeed, by force. In the Microsoft state, Microsoft decides what I need, want, find useful, etc rather than I being able to help shape those things. In the Microsoft state you are helping shape there is no room for innovation because conquest is the goal. There is no reason to improve your products when you own the market; you don't need to attract or even work to keep customers. In the Microsoft state, there is no room for elegance. In the Microsoft state, control is American and individuals pass on rights in favor of what the board decides it important...yes, you're right, it does smack of the fascist/communist bent you're unimagnitively and baselessly alluding to. You know, I am happy with the label "communist". If you can see past the history of the governmental style in the countries who have failed, it is a wonderful idea. The good of the people. I'd even make the arguement that socialist is a better word. You've labeled the GPL'd software movement as un-American. And I think agree with that too. It goes against the traditional, capatalist view of business and work and art in the United States. What I think you may have meant by un-American is non-capitalistic. American to me, be my eyes veiled in rose or not, is democracy. Democracy which is a far cry from the tyrany of oligarchy the Microsoft state would have us subject too. I think I like being a communist. PS If nwfusion is looking for writers, I am willing and, it appears, much more able. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 11:43:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613113041.W21645@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > We've got 2 T1's (Sprint and UUNet), and do bandwidth monitoring and deal > > with heavy usage as it becomes a problem. (Actually haven't ever had an > > issue with it yet). > > Ok. I've just been working with my own machine becoming a problem on a > single t1. :) As a temporary measure ive been using rate-limit to limit > specific services, but I'm thinking about playing with some CBQ with > flow-based WRED to get it to work, mostly so the traffic off of a few > machines dont totally kill the rest of the users. Sadly, we have a > frame link and thats most of the problem, if it were ptp it wouldn't be > a big deal. What kind of border router do you have? Could implement QoS at the border and set priorities there.. but that's probably what you're talking about. Doing it at the local machines would work too, but that'd mean you'd have to maintain it multiple places, and wouldn't be able to get an overall traffic picture. So why'd you go frame instead of ptp? Pricing these days isn't all that much different.. > Oh well. Just was trying to gain input. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 13 11:45:03 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:20:50AM -0500 References: <20010613105722.A16031@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010613114503.C16031@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:20:50AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Well, that's definitely better. Now: how much for static IP and DNS hosting? > > Your web page doesn't say that either... > > I actually don't know; drop a message to sales@real-time.com, or call > 952-943-8700 and ask for someone in sales. > > I know we offer DNS hosting for free to business users, not sure about > personal/tclug.. I believe we also have a TCLUG special running with a > 8-ip subnet for DSL, but I'm not positive. I think you would do a big service to your sales department if you would kick their a** a little. You might want to ask Bob for help though :) I mean - if they would spend half a day updating that web page of theirs, you would get more business. I have look a couple times in the past to that page and I have been put off by the price (which is wrong, as you told me), by lack of information (dns, ip) and stupidity (we support windows and mac). If they can't be bothered, then put a page on www.mn-linux.org with Linux friendly companies in TwinCities and put yourselves in the first row (as you rightfully deserve) and add that info somewhere... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 11:48:52 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: <200106131525.f5DFP3K19824@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 Ming wrote: > > Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load > nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy > write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have > to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more > thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not > thinking very clearly. > > > Jason > wannabelinuxadmin A number of alternatives: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ http://www.linuxrouter.org/ http://coyotelinux.com/ Coyote may be the easiest to get started with, although I haven't tried it yet myself. Also of potential interest are my (old) notes on LRP: http://www.joelschneider.com/lrp/ (I did a short presentation on Linux Router Project for TCLUG about 18 months ago) Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 13 11:49:54 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) References: Message-ID: <00df01c0f428$dff1aa40$3028680a@tgt.com> I highly doubt this sort of license could work. I cite the examples of Lesstif and Motif. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: "TCLUG-list" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Rant - Open Source, Mundie, Kearns, NWF (long) > In terms those spreading FUD may understand: > > Say I create a nifty library. Something everybody needs. Something > everybody wants. But I worked very hard on it, and I want compensation for > my hard work. The compensation I'm asking for: the source to any software > using my library must be made available in the same fashion my source code > is available. If that's asking too much, write your own library. You don't > have to compensate me until you finish the project after all. > > Now say Microsoft creates a nifty library. Something everybody wants. > Something everybody needs. But some of their staff worked very hard on it, > and the company wants compensation. So they wrap it into developer kits, > MFC's, etc. So you buy into these developer resources. Now that they've > been compensated, you can start work on your project. > > Now if you go with the cancer analogy, treatment for cancer is cut it out > and expensive therapy. So going by that, Linux, the GPL, LGPL, etc. are > nothing more than a wart. Cut it out (the GPL Library) and let heal. > (replace it with your own library.) > > With the MS Library, you can cut it out, but you've allready compensated > Microsoft, and possibly have a continuing agreement. And since you're > compiling on a MS Platform to start with, perhaps your using a MS > developer suite. (Which you payed for.), with other MS libaries, developer > kits, and MFCs (which, you payed for...), building on a MS Operating > System (which you payed for), supported by a MS Server Operating System, > (which you payed dearly for.)... > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." | > | Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. | > | Always a boom tomorrow." | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 11:55:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613114503.C16031@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > I think you would do a big service to your sales department if you would > kick their a** a little. You might want to ask Bob for help though :) > > I mean - if they would spend half a day updating that web page of theirs, you > would get more business. I have look a couple times in the past to that > page and I have been put off by the price (which is wrong, as you told me), > by lack of information (dns, ip) and stupidity (we support windows and mac). Yeah, we are actually already in the process of redesigning our entire web site to make it.. well, usable, and accurate. But, I've forwarded your complaints on to the proper person anyways. :) > If they can't be bothered, then put a page on www.mn-linux.org with Linux > friendly companies in TwinCities and put yourselves in the first row (as you > rightfully deserve) and add that info somewhere... This is actually a good idea anyways.. I'm sure we're not the only linux-friendly ISP in the area, and it'd be a good resource for anyone looking for Linux help locally. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jun 13 12:16:08 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010613121607.Y21645@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [010613 11:45]: > Could implement QoS at the border and set priorities there.. but that's > probably what you're talking about. Doing it at the local machines would Cisco 4500M router. Its a nice sucker for a t1. :) I have problems getting it to ever go over 10-15% cpu usage. > So why'd you go frame instead of ptp? Pricing these days isn't all that > much different.. PTP over LATTAS(sp?) is really expensive. :) Frame is the only way to really keep the cost down. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's 640K, 256K, not traffic shaping and that is our public price, if you search the TCLUG archives, I'll bet you can find the TCLUG price. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jun 13 13:25:51 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Funny article on "Smart Tags" Message-ID: A good artitcle from ZDNet (so rare it must be valuable ;-): http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/columns/0,4164,2772297,00.html From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 13:26:25 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613103635.V21645@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:36:35AM -0500 References: <20010613103635.V21645@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010613132625.N18625@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > that's how qwest provisions lines now, and we don't traffic shape dsl on > > our end. > > What kind of connectivity to the internet do you have, and how do you > handle outbound bandwidth contengincy issues? At least you hopefully > use some sort of method other than fifo to keep from one user kabashing > everyones party. Let's not turn this into my isp is better then your isp. I'll answer Scotts question via private email. I don't think it's health for the list to start praising or slamming isp and how they run their networks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From peter.clark at tides.com Wed Jun 13 13:40:29 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with ISA modem Message-ID: <200106131907.f5DJ7ZK27272@sprite.real-time.com> I have been trying to get an ISA modem to work under both Linux (Progeny) and Win98. It's an AOpen FM56-ITU/2 modem, and all that I have heard about it tells me that it works great under Linux. However, I can't seem to get it to work in either Linux or Win98. Linux detects the serial port (ttyS3), but when I do a pnpdump, it doesn't find the board. I ln -s /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem, but when I use kppp, it says the modem isn't responding. Win98 doesn't detect it, period, and when I do a brute-force install, the modem diagnostic comes back saying that the modem isn't responding. Oh, yes, and the motherboard is a Soyo K7VTA-PRO. Does anyone have this modem? What jumper settings do you recommend? (I've been playing around with them, trying different COM ports and IRQs. Help, before I tear my hair out! :Peter From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 14:24:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This sounds like a job for one of the Linux Router Project distros or CoyoteLinux. On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > First off you need to dump that floppy disk there. You couldn't possibly > have picked a less reliable data storage medium. If *really* want to go > that route then I'd suggest you install your floppy-ized distro to the > hard drive and turn the floppy into an, > Overwrite-the-hard-drive-with-the-standard-config floppy. > > Anyway, there are loads of single floppy distros out on the internet. I > haven't tried any given my prejudice but you should prbably just try a few > and see which ones you like. > > Josh > > __SIG__ > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ming wrote: > > > > > > > Just kinda curious, but how can I build a bootable floppy that will load > > nic drivers then run a firewall script. I would like to make the floopy > > write protected so if some one did compromise my system all i would have > > to do is reboot to close the hack. I am sure if I just put a little more > > thought into this I could figure it out, but its late and I am not > > thinking very clearly. > > > > > > Jason > > wannabelinuxadmin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jun 13 15:04:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: <20010613132625.N18625@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010613150425.A21645@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010613 13:28]: > Let's not turn this into my isp is better then your isp. I'll answer Scotts > question via private email. Acutally, I didn't want to turn it into that. Im currently having some problems with my colocated machine clobbering some other users on a constrained link and I'm looking at a way to keep it under control. This isn't going to be a "whos better than me" thing. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Im currently having some > problems with my colocated machine clobbering some other users on a > constrained link and I'm looking at a way to keep it under control. > > This isn't going to be a "whos better than me" thing. Oh! Well, I'm better. :-) What is the eq you are using? Router, switch, colo machine OS? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jun 13 15:13:28 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] QwestM$N Deal@13.sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010613.20132800@LinWin.MShome> I live in the Lake Mille Lacs area. My ISP is PineNet.com in Pine City, MN. He's a great rural ISP but his overhead is tremendous compared to the Twin Cities. So, basically, he's a one man operation with more to do than is possible just getting and keeping people connected and billed. He has phone lines from the twin ports (Duluth) to the twin cities. Speed is not possible. No way he can offer competitive web hosting, too. Other ISPs get pretty bad pretty fast. East Central Electric (a rural power coop) is horrible. A vast part of Minnesota needs serious Web Hosting, with very simple consulting help. You would not believe the backlog of rural need for web presence. I looked at your home page but found little information. The range of business activities here is huge; from goat cheese to tourism. A vast area of Minnesota needs your services and expertise. Rick Engebretson Isle, MN. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 6/13/01, 11:55:38 AM, Nate Carlson wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] QwestM$N Deal@13.sdm: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I think you would do a big service to your sales department if you would > > kick their a** a little. You might want to ask Bob for help though :) > > > > I mean - if they would spend half a day updating that web page of theirs, you > > would get more business. I have look a couple times in the past to that > > page and I have been put off by the price (which is wrong, as you told me), > > by lack of information (dns, ip) and stupidity (we support windows and mac). > Yeah, we are actually already in the process of redesigning our entire web > site to make it.. well, usable, and accurate. > But, I've forwarded your complaints on to the proper person anyways. :) > > If they can't be bothered, then put a page on www.mn-linux.org with Linux > > friendly companies in TwinCities and put yourselves in the first row (as you > > rightfully deserve) and add that info somewhere... > This is actually a good idea anyways.. I'm sure we're not the only > linux-friendly ISP in the area, and it'd be a good resource for anyone > looking for Linux help locally. > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at readynetgo.com Wed Jun 13 15:29:48 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] QwestM$N Deal@13.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010613.20132800@LinWin.MShome> Message-ID: oh, call me! I've been on the list for months, and I won't do a "long drawn out shameless plug". We have heard many of the same types of complaints from customers about ISPs, ASPs, computer "not-so-SuperStores", and small shops. We have signed deals simply because we answer the phone! Please check our web site for the details of services we provide. We are not a one-man shop, but are talented and hard working folks based in St Cloud. Give us a chance to win your business, or feel free to ask for references from clients and a free initial consultation and quotation. BTW, I do enjoy this list...great minds at work! MK On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I live in the Lake Mille Lacs area. My ISP is PineNet.com in Pine City, > MN. He's a great rural ISP but his overhead is tremendous compared to the > Twin Cities. So, basically, he's a one man operation with more to do than > is possible just getting and keeping people connected and billed. He has > phone lines from the twin ports (Duluth) to the twin cities. Speed is not > possible. No way he can offer competitive web hosting, too. > > Other ISPs get pretty bad pretty fast. East Central Electric (a rural > power coop) is horrible. > > A vast part of Minnesota needs serious Web Hosting, with very simple > consulting help. You would not believe the backlog of rural need for web > presence. > > I looked at your home page but found little information. > > The range of business activities here is huge; from goat cheese to > tourism. > > A vast area of Minnesota needs your services and expertise. > > Rick Engebretson > Isle, MN. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 6/13/01, 11:55:38 AM, Nate Carlson wrote > regarding Re [TCLUG] QwestM$N Deal@13.sdm: > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > I think you would do a big service to your sales department if you would > > > kick their a** a little. You might want to ask Bob for help though :) > > > > > > I mean - if they would spend half a day updating that web page of theirs, > you > > > would get more business. I have look a couple times in the past to that > > > page and I have been put off by the price (which is wrong, as you told > me), > > > by lack of information (dns, ip) and stupidity (we support windows and > mac). > > > Yeah, we are actually already in the process of redesigning our entire > web > > site to make it.. well, usable, and accurate. > > > But, I've forwarded your complaints on to the proper person anyways. :) > > > > If they can't be bothered, then put a page on www.mn-linux.org with Linux > > > friendly companies in TwinCities and put yourselves in the first row (as > you > > > rightfully deserve) and add that info somewhere... > > > This is actually a good idea anyways.. I'm sure we're not the only > > linux-friendly ISP in the area, and it'd be a good resource for anyone > > looking for Linux help locally. > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 13 17:37:13 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names Message-ID: Hey, I'm trying to make a CD which has files with similar, or infact the same names, in different directories. For example: / /dir1 /dir2 /dir1/testfile /dir2/testfile I thought ISOFS should turn these into TESTFILE.;0 and TESTFILE.;1 or something... and it USED to work ages ago, but now it complains that they "have the same Rock Ridge name". Anyone know how the heck to turn this on? -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 13 18:22:21 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 05:37:13PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010613182221.A18161@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 05:37:13PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > I'm trying to make a CD which has files with similar, or infact the same > names, in different directories. For example: > > / > /dir1 > /dir2 > /dir1/testfile > /dir2/testfile > > > I thought ISOFS should turn these into TESTFILE.;0 and TESTFILE.;1 or > something... and it USED to work ages ago, but now it complains that they > "have the same Rock Ridge name". > > Anyone know how the heck to turn this on? Here is my mkiso script: mkisofs -D -l -J -L -o $1.iso -P "Florin Iucha" -p "Florin Iucha" -r -U -v $2 I call it with the iso name as the first argument and the directory to isoize as the second argument. Look up in the manual what argument each means... 'cuz I don't remember.. but "It Works for Me"(tm). florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 13 18:47:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names In-Reply-To: <20010613182221.A18161@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > mkisofs -D -l -J -L -o $1.iso -P "Florin Iucha" -p "Florin Iucha" -r -U -v $2 > I call it with the iso name as the first argument and the directory to isoize > as the second argument. Look up in the manual what argument each means... 'cuz > I don't remember.. but "It Works for Me"(tm). Not me though. Try it in the scenario I mentioned and let me know (: It used to work with OLDER versions of mkisofs, I'm using 1.14a18 now, apparently. Plus, you're making a Joliet volume (-J) which I absolutely refuse to do (; -Yaron -- From madd0057 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 19:28:12 2001 From: madd0057 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Maddy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND, named, and Dynamic DNS Message-ID: <002501c0f468$e5afbe50$0200a8c0@omeganualpha.org> Hello all! My name is Brian Maddy and I still consider myself somewhat new to linux. Anyways, I was hoping someone could help me with a little problem I'm having. I live in a house with about 20 other people. I'm in charge of our DSL modem and firewall which is running RedHat linux (ver. 7.1, kernel 2.4). My friend helped me set up a caching only DNS and it's working great. Now I want to get dynamic DNS working on our internal network. DHCP is working fine by the way. What I want to do is make it so I can lookup "mycomputer.mydomain.com" and get the IP of my computer from anywhere inside my house. Most people in the house are using windows. I only really want it to work with Debian linux (my computer) and Win2000 (I don't think the other versions of windows update the local DNS, and I don't really care about them). As an added problem, not everyone has their computer's domain set to our domain name. Many people have to have it set to something else for work or school and have to keep it that way. I would still like to be able to look up "theircomputer.mydomain.com" and get their IP in the house. Two of the zones in my /etc/named.conf file are the following: /etc/named.conf: ... zone "mydomain.com" { type master; file "internal.forward"; allow-update {192.168.0/24; }; }; zone "0.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "internal.reverse"; allow-update { 192.168.0/24; }; }; ... Now, the Win2K computers are updating the reverse lookups, but in kind of a strange way. They are adding lines to my "internal.reverse" file, but not exactly how I wanted them to. The lines that are added are set up so that when I do a lookup on 192.168.0.x I get "computername.WORKdomain.com" and not "computername.MYdomain.com". I would like to know how to fix this, but I am more concerned with the forward lookup. The forward lookup is not being updated at all. I don't really see why either, the zones above are set up identically...weird. Perhaps Win2K only updates the reverse lookup? I don't know. I haven't even started working on getting my Debian linux computer to do the updates. That will come later though. I have been able to find almost no information on the web for a situation like this. The only thing I find is about RFC2136 (which doesn't help me out with syntax) or is a perl script where you have to keep a file that tells the name of each computer and it's IP. I don't want to have a static file like that because we have people moving in and out all the time and I don't want to have to constantly maintain it. So does anyone know where I could find some more information on how to do this? Help would be greatly appreciated. :) Thanks in advance! Brian Maddy Madd0057@tc.umn.edu PS: If I didn't supply enough information, just let me know what is needed and I'll send it right away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010613/5d1acb9e/attachment.html From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 13 19:33:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 06:47:30PM -0500 References: <20010613182221.A18161@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010613193301.A31384@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 06:47:30PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > mkisofs -D -l -J -L -o $1.iso -P "Florin Iucha" -p "Florin Iucha" -r -U -v $2 > > I call it with the iso name as the first argument and the directory to isoize > > as the second argument. Look up in the manual what argument each means... 'cuz > > I don't remember.. but "It Works for Me"(tm). > > Not me though. Try it in the scenario I mentioned and let me know (: It > used to work with OLDER versions of mkisofs, I'm using 1.14a18 now, > apparently. > > Plus, you're making a Joliet volume (-J) which I absolutely refuse to do > (; Joliet volume means you are just adding the info necessary to read it in Winblows. Or is there something worse than that? 8) It works for me here, with your scenario... [root@bear /opt]# which mkisofs /usr/bin/mkisofs [root@bear /opt]# rpm -qf /usr/bin/mkisofs mkisofs-1.9-6 [root@bear /opt]# mkisofs -v mkisofs 1.13 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) ... ,.. I don't know what to tell'ya... downgrade? ;) florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From madd0057 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 19:43:30 2001 From: madd0057 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Maddy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oops Message-ID: <003901c0f46b$0871fd20$0200a8c0@omeganualpha.org> Oops, sorry about that html mail stuff. I'm writing from Outlook Express and I didn't realize I had that on. It should be off now. Brian From patrick at hamletmachine.com Wed Jun 13 19:48:44 2001 From: patrick at hamletmachine.com (Patrick Knoll) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND, named, and Dynamic DNS References: <002501c0f468$e5afbe50$0200a8c0@omeganualpha.org> Message-ID: <3B2809EC.1020008@hamletmachine.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010613/8624b34b/attachment.htm From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 13 20:17:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names In-Reply-To: <20010613193301.A31384@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Joliet volume means you are just adding the info necessary to read it in > Winblows. Or is there something worse than that? 8) Well, since Windoze has absolutely NO problem WHATsoever reading RockRidge, why on Earth bother with Joliet? MS put it in so UNIX people won't be able to read their CDs... like that works. > It works for me here, with your scenario... That sucks (: -Yaron -- From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Jun 13 21:00:36 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with ISA modem In-Reply-To: <200106131907.f5DJ7ZK27272@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200106131907.f5DJ7ZK27272@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <992484037.11359.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> I had a problem similar to this recently. You might try swapping out cards if you have a few ISA cards in there. I ended up fixing my problem by buying a PCI network card to replace my ISA one which didn't like my sound card. $14.95 later it works perfectly. It used to be that PCI was to be avoided on Linux but now I think it's ISA that's to be avoided when possible. Brady > I have been trying to get an ISA modem to work under both Linux > (Progeny) and Win98. It's an AOpen FM56-ITU/2 modem, and all that I have > heard about it tells me that it works great under Linux. However, I can't > seem to get it to work in either Linux or Win98. Linux detects the serial > port (ttyS3), but when I do a pnpdump, it doesn't find the board. I ln -s > /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem, but when I use kppp, it says the modem isn't > responding. Win98 doesn't detect it, period, and when I do a brute-force > install, the modem diagnostic comes back saying that the modem isn't > responding. Oh, yes, and the motherboard is a Soyo K7VTA-PRO. > Does anyone have this modem? What jumper settings do you recommend? > (I've been playing around with them, trying different COM ports and IRQs. > Help, before I tear my hair out! > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 13 21:23:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest memory footprint for a GUI web browser? Message-ID: <20010613212342.H9995@real-time.com> Anyone have any recommendations on the smallest memory footprint for a GUI web browser? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 13 21:32:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with ISA modem In-Reply-To: <200106131907.f5DJ7ZK27272@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200106131907.f5DJ7ZK27272@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010613213221.4b284e29.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > > I have been trying to get an ISA modem to work under both Linux > (Progeny) and Win98. It's an AOpen FM56-ITU/2 modem, and all that I have > heard about it tells me that it works great under Linux. However, I > can't seem to get it to work in either Linux or Win98. Linux detects the > serial port (ttyS3), but when I do a pnpdump, it doesn't find the board. > I ln -s /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem, but when I use kppp, it says the modem > isn't responding. Win98 doesn't detect it, period, and when I do a > brute-force install, the modem diagnostic comes back saying that the > modem isn't responding. Oh, yes, and the motherboard is a Soyo > K7VTA-PRO. > Does anyone have this modem? What jumper settings do you > recommend? (I've been playing around with them, trying different COM > ports and IRQs. Help, before I tear my hair out! > :Peter Well, I haven't ever played with that card, though there may be something generic that's causing the problem. You don't have anything else using IRQ4, do you? COM1 and COM3 (sort of) share IRQ4 and COM2 and COM3 share IRQ3. I've never had much luck with running two COM ports with the same IRQ -- if you have a mouse on COM1, that could cause problems. Even if you don't have anything on that COM port, disable it in the BIOS, just to make sure nothing is causing a conflict. Additionally, make sure that your BIOS sees that it should not assign IRQ4 to any PCI devices. I know a lot of systems like to try and assign those low IRQs to devices, even though they may already be in use. If kppp still gives you trouble, it's always a good idea to try out minicom. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ SIG: HUP / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's another weird thing--I have not found any way to disable COM ports in the BIOS. I have been through every option at least five times. There is an option to set various IRQ ports, including 3 and 4, to either PnP PCI/ISA or Legacy ISA, but fiddling with that has not helped matters. > Additionally, make sure that your BIOS sees that it should not assign > IRQ4 > to any PCI devices. I know a lot of systems like to try and assign > those > low IRQs to devices, even though they may already be in use. As far as I can tell, IRQ3 should be clear...but then again, it's a little hard to tell since I haven't found a way to disable the COM ports in BIOS. > If kppp still gives you trouble, it's always a good idea to try out > minicom. I really don't think it's a problem with kppp, since Win98 has the same problem. Well, I have already spent several hours on this already. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day... :Peter From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Jun 13 22:37:58 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP In-Reply-To: <20010601190121.691926b2.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010601190121.691926b2.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <992489879.17001.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was sort of thinking the other day how nice it would be if you could "mount" an ftp site and use it as if it was any other directory albeit a slow one...and one that has a tendency to disappear every 300 seconds. Is there anything like this out there? Would it even be feasible? I assume this would have to be created as a kernel module or something like that. Brady From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jun 13 22:58:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Message-ID: <20010613225832.C19326@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:37:58PM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I was sort of thinking the other day how nice it would be if you could "mount" an ftp site and use it as if it was any other directory albeit a slow one...and one that has a tendency to disappear every 300 seconds. Is there anything like this out there? Would it even be feasible? You mean something like ftpfs? http://freshmeat.net/projects/ftpfs/ -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Jun 13 23:04:30 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Message-ID: <200106140404.XAA08668@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 13 Jun 2001, Brady Hegberg is alleged to have said: > I was sort of thinking the other day how nice it would be if you could > "mount" an ftp site and use it as if it was any other directory albeit a slow > one...and one that has a tendency to disappear every 300 seconds. Is there > anything like this out there? Would it even be feasible? > > I assume this would have to be created as a kernel module or something > like that. I'm pretty sure IRIX lets you do something similar -- you can open an ftp site on your desktop. In this sort of drag and drop scenario, I think you could do the same thing in Linux userspace. But maybe there's a reason that you want to do a lower level mount thing? Is this for command line / user ease of use, or is there an application (or would be app) involved? From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jun 14 02:59:15 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO filesystem with duplicate names References: Message-ID: <3B286ED3.9801F0@haxxed.com> > > Joliet volume means you are just adding the info necessary to read it in > > Winblows. Or is there something worse than that? 8) > > Well, since Windoze has absolutely NO problem WHATsoever reading > RockRidge, why on Earth bother with Joliet? MS put it in so UNIX people > won't be able to read their CDs... like that works. Joliet does long (hah) filenames and unicode, and other such VFATish stuff. And by long filenames they mean ~64 characters, which is really really gay. I like to name my mp3's with nice long descriptive filenames like: Best of Trance Vol1 - 08 - Jonathan Peters presents Luminaire - Flower Duet '99 (Jonathan Peter's Club Mix).mp3 mkisofs has to cut the poor thing off, leaving the file without an .mp3 extention. And there's a bit of a problem with NT (Both 4 and 2K) if the Joliet filename ends up being cut and manages to leave a space on the end, you can't seem to access it in any way. You're screwed. One of these days I'll patch mkisofs to at least not leave a space on the end, and maybe chop from the left not the right... Near as I've seen windows won't read RockRidge. I just see the ISO filenames, in all their BLAH0001.MP3 glory. I hate you microsoft. Die. Burn in hell. Hmmm, how does one master a UDF filesystem... It damn well better be less gay under microsoft operating systems... From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Jun 14 08:29:03 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem fixed; now what about the sound? Message-ID: <200106141351.f5EDphK16007@sprite.real-time.com> So I stayed up till midnight last night, and wonders of wonders, finally got my modem to work. Turns out that the problem was with COM2; managed to reset the physical device to use 3E8, IRQ 4 (COM3) and now everything is (almost) hunky-dory. Except for the sound. (Isn't it always _something_?) On-board AC'97 audio, works fine in Win98, Linux doesn't recognize it. As far as I've read, AC'97 is supported, so why doesn't it get detected? In BIOS, should the "Sound Blaster" option be enabled? I've already enabled on-board audio, and the settings work fine enough under Win98 (except no sound under DOS--not a big deal), but I thought that there might be some problem with that. Furthermore, how do I force Linux to recognize that there is indeed sound. I skimmed the Sound-HOWTO last night, but (at least to my befuddled brain) it just assumed that Linux would recognize the audio automatically. However, when I try to play sounds, or set up a sound daemon, it tells me that /dev/dsp doesn't exist. ls -l /dev/dsp confirms that the file is there, so I assume that it just doesn't recognize the hardware. Now I'm really sorry that the installfest was canceled this month. Oh, well. :Peter From rmadhapp at npd.hcltech.com Thu Jun 14 08:57:49 2001 From: rmadhapp at npd.hcltech.com (Ravi Kumar Madhappan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reg. free book of GTK+ programming. Message-ID: <3B28C2DD.7D856C22@npd.hcltech.com> I need a free book of GTK+ programming. It would be great pleasure if I get a GTK+ book or online tutorial from u if u have that one.... Thanks in Advance MRK From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jun 14 09:13:28 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reg. free book of GTK+ programming. References: <3B28C2DD.7D856C22@npd.hcltech.com> Message-ID: <3B28C688.7B5BB18E@structural-wood.com> Ravi Kumar Madhappan wrote: > > I need a free book of GTK+ programming. It would be great > pleasure if I get a GTK+ book or online tutorial from u > if u have that one.... > > Thanks in Advance > MRK > http://www106.pair.com/rhp//gnome-app-devel.html http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gtk/index.html http://www.gtk.org/tutorial/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 14 09:54:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: <20010613083458.5b7627eb.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Buy a quality media, run it in a clean, maintained drive, and reliability > can be quite acceptable. I agree that floppy disks are lacking in quality, but since your single-floppy distros only use the floppy to BOOT, I don't see any reason not to use the cheapies. I was running a LRP for a good 6 months between reboots (all the fault of the modem, sometimes it would get hung and rebooting was the quick fix). If I was running ethernet I wouldn't have ever rebooted I don't believe. That being said, it's always a good idea to dd those important floppies in the event that your disk fails you. From mend0070 at umn.edu Thu Jun 14 11:17:35 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem fixed; now what about the sound? Message-ID: <200106141617.LAA13943@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 14 Jun 2001, peter.clark@tides.com is alleged to have said: > Except for the sound. (Isn't it always _something_?) On-board AC'97 > audio, works fine in Win98, Linux doesn't recognize it. So you got past the Win snafu you had at the beer meeting? Good man! > As far as I've > read, AC'97 is supported, so why doesn't it get detected? In BIOS, should > the "Sound Blaster" option be enabled? I've already enabled on-board audio, > and the settings work fine enough under Win98 (except no sound under > DOS--not a big deal), but I thought that there might be some problem with > that. Furthermore, how do I force Linux to recognize that there is indeed > sound. I skimmed the Sound-HOWTO last night, but (at least to my befuddled > brain) it just assumed that Linux would recognize the audio automatically. > However, when I try to play sounds, or set up a sound daemon, it tells me > that /dev/dsp doesn't exist. ls -l /dev/dsp confirms that the file is > there, so I assume that it just doesn't recognize the hardware. Are you trying to do this with alsa or just straight up? You might peek at Alsa and see if that makes it easier, if you're not already. I seem to recall that they do the AC'97. From zibby at ringworld.org Thu Jun 14 11:20:06 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem fixed; now what about the sound? Message-ID: Sorry you're getting this twice Peter, I meant to send it to the list not to you. :) > So I stayed up till midnight last night, That's early! C'mon, 6am next time! :P > On-board AC'97 audio, works fine in Win98, Linux doesn't recognize it. Sure it does, just not automatically. The trick is, what is your motherboard's chipset? Intel i810/i820/i830/i840/MX440 ALi MAGik VIA KX133, VIA KT133, VIA KT133A, VIA KT266, VIA KM133 AMD-750 und AMD-760 mit VIA686A bzw. VIA686B Southbridges The Intel chipsets will get you chipmunk sound if you just install the modules. You have to specify a different clock chip setting. (Or soemthing like that...) The Via chipset works, more or less. Haven't dealt with ALi or AMD. The last time I tried the Intel AC'97, it sucked. 2.2.18 kernel drivers sucked, Alsa drivers sucked, it just sucked. I gave up and grabed a es1371. The Via support was better, but not too much. Unlike the Intel drivers, I could play mp3s. But Loki games were a no go. I got the best rusults with the alsa drivers. Ok, this is from memory so I might just be wrong: for the i8XX chipsets you need to: modprobe i810_audio For Via: modprobe via82cxxx_audio If your running Debian you can `echo "via82cxxx_audio" >> /etc/modules` or `echo "i810_audio" >> /etc/modules` and you're sound modules will be installed when you reboot your computer. You can also do the modutils route, if you can find the modutils line for your module in it's documentation. If you choose the Also route, see http://www.alsa-project.org/ The Alsa setup is pretty slick, so if you read up on it you should be ok. Based on my experiences with this sound card, both with the kernel and Also drivers, I highly recomend you go out and get yourself a new soundcard. Ensoniq es1371 are great low price cards if you can still find one. They've been replaced by SoundBlaster PCI64, PCI128, and PCI512 now however. Overall, there's no better sound card value than the SB Live! X-Gamer 5.1. You get the standard SBLive, Duex Ex, MDK2, UT... So what you get for $99 is well worth it. (You can play UT under Linux.) The SB Live! Value is only sold to OEM's now, but I've seen it for sale at Tran Micro. Remember that the only difference between the SB Live! cards is the software bundles, but don't settle for a 5.0 card. Make sure you get a 5.1 series. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 14 12:14:23 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, that's all reasonable. I'm still prejudiced against them but that can remain my opinion. Josh __SIG__ On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Buy a quality media, run it in a clean, maintained drive, and reliability > > can be quite acceptable. > > I agree that floppy disks are lacking in quality, but since your > single-floppy distros only use the floppy to BOOT, I don't see any reason > not to use the cheapies. I was running a LRP for a good 6 months between > reboots (all the fault of the modem, sometimes it would get hung and > rebooting was the quick fix). If I was running ethernet I wouldn't have > ever rebooted I don't believe. > > That being said, it's always a good idea to dd those important floppies in > the event that your disk fails you. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Jun 14 13:41:05 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDBurning, again Message-ID: <236552001641418415401@black-hole.com> From: tobytoo@black-hole.com To: tobytoo@black-hole.com, Subject: FW: CDBurning, again Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:41:15 -0500 I'm having trouble with my cd burn setup. A RICOH 9070 CDRW-DVD using Caldera kernel 2.2.14 I can get it to recognize as a burner but when I do it won't read from it, I keep getting a "Not a recognized block device" error. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 14 14:21:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS Message-ID: I have some massive files that I'm working on, and some of them I only need to see the last few lines. In linux I'd just use tail, but, well, I'm not in linux. Anyone know if I can find a DOS version of tail somewhere (or an equivelent utility?). TIA! -Brian From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jun 14 14:24:57 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS References: Message-ID: <3B290F89.F3CF07B@uswest.net> Cygwin is your friend....... http://www.cygwin.com Brian wrote: > I have some massive files that I'm working on, and some of them I only > need to see the last few lines. In linux I'd just use tail, but, well, > I'm not in linux. Anyone know if I can find a DOS version of tail > somewhere (or an equivelent utility?). TIA! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Solutions perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 14:27:49 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS Message-ID: <010614142749.202d4ba7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Do a google on cygwin. Should have what you need. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Jun 14 14:30:35 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you're looking for the full functionality of tail, and more UNIX toolkit kinda stuff, you might want to look into the MKS toolkit for Developers. It costs, but from my experiences at my last job, it's rather nice. Otherwise, you could go with the free option of getting Cygwin. Of course, if you're only looking for the last couple lines, use 'type'. Sort of like 'cat', only in DOS. It'll take a minute or so on big files for everything to scroll past, but if you need less than a screenbuffer of the last few lines, it'll do. Just 'type '. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > I have some massive files that I'm working on, and some of them I only > need to see the last few lines. In linux I'd just use tail, but, well, > I'm not in linux. Anyone know if I can find a DOS version of tail > somewhere (or an equivelent utility?). TIA! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From patrick at hamletmachine.com Thu Jun 14 14:33:27 2001 From: patrick at hamletmachine.com (Patrick Knoll) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS References: Message-ID: <005c01c0f508$e350a2f0$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> You can get some UNIX-like DOS utilities (including tail) here: http://www.geocities.com/rlcgreen/txtfrmt.htm#gnutxtutils I haven't tried them, so I can't say how well they work (or fail to). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 14:21 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS > I have some massive files that I'm working on, and some of them I only > need to see the last few lines. In linux I'd just use tail, but, well, > I'm not in linux. Anyone know if I can find a DOS version of tail > somewhere (or an equivelent utility?). TIA! > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hata0006 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 15:36:27 2001 From: hata0006 at tc.umn.edu (Jason Hataye) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install Message-ID: <3B29204B.E973E52F@tc.umn.edu> Dear tclug folks, Hi! My name is Jason, and I just moved to Minneapolis from San Francisco last week! I'm "getting settled" and part of that is updating my computer system. I wanted to ask if any of you might have some advice or input on the best way of going about it, because it's a little complicated. I would like to install both Red Hat Linux 7.1 and Windoze 98, while also installing a new hard drive. Here's what I have NOW: 128 MB RAM One 3 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) Red Hat Linux 6.0 (updated to 2.2.16 kernel) Windoze 98 using LILO to boot. Here's what I want to DO: 128 MB RAM One 3 gig hard drive (in second IDE slot) One 30 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) Red Hat Linux 7.1, give the partition about 2/3 of my HD space Windoze 98, give the partition about 1/3 of my HD space Use LILO to boot The old 3 gig HD can stay almost the same, but I'd like to use it for storage only (don't want any operating systems (ie the kernel) on here...so I think I'll have to do something, but I'm not sure what.) What would be the best way of accomplishing this goal? Here's one proposal, but by all means shoot it down if it won't work or if there's a more efficient way. The big QUESTION I have is in step 5: 1. Remove the 3gigHD from the primary IDE slot, and put it in the secondary IDE slot. 2. Put the 30gigHD in the primary IDE slot. Note: I think the CD ROM is attached to the primary IDE slot via the HD, so I'll keep this configuration the same. 3. turn on the computer. 4. Go straight to BIOS, and make the hardware changes, and make booting from CDROM. Put in the RH Linux installation disk into the CDROM. Restart computer. The RHLinux installation program pops up on the monitor. I do a "Custom Installation". 5. I will make the appropriate partitions (128 MBswap, 16MB /boot, and variable size /root...and also partition for Windoze) on the 30gigHD. QUESTION: Should I leave the 3gigHD "as is?" I'm afraid of having two linux kernels, one on each HD. I can't just wipe out my 3gig HD because I need the data. What do I do here? I see two possible choices, but don't know how to execute either: 1) Have a kernel on each HD, but make the computer only use the new one which is on the 30gigHD. --or-- 2) Delete the old kernel (and any other "operating system" stuff, but nothing else) on the 3gig HD. Any thoughts on what to do? Once I have this accomplished, I think I should be home free. Please let me know the best way to go about this. And thank you very much! Sincerely, Jason Hataye From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 14 15:42:27 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <3B29204B.E973E52F@tc.umn.edu> References: <3B29204B.E973E52F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <992551347.3b2921b3b8dad@dragon> Hello, Quoting Jason Hataye : > Hi! My name is Jason, and I just moved to Minneapolis from San > Francisco last week! On purpose??!? -Yaron -- From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Jun 14 15:50:09 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <992551347.3b2921b3b8dad@dragon> Message-ID: I moved from Minneapolis to San Jose in January of 1997. Took about 5 months for the complete lack of weather and eternal sunniness to drive me nuts, and I moved back to Minneapolis. :) -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hello, > > Quoting Jason Hataye : > > > Hi! My name is Jason, and I just moved to Minneapolis from San > > Francisco last week! > > On purpose??!? > > -Yaron From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 14 15:53:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <992551347.3b2921b3b8dad@dragon> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > On purpose??!? hey, i _like_ the cold! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 14 15:57:37 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS In-Reply-To: <005c01c0f508$e350a2f0$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> Message-ID: Let me second that notion. The cygwin tools are nice but are overkill for most stuff. If you search on google for stuff like 'unix tools for win32' you'll find something. There's a package I picked a while back that handles most of what I'd need. Josh __SIG__ On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Patrick Knoll wrote: > You can get some UNIX-like DOS utilities (including tail) here: > > http://www.geocities.com/rlcgreen/txtfrmt.htm#gnutxtutils > > I haven't tried them, so I can't say how well they work (or fail to). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 14:21 > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: tail for DOS > > > > I have some massive files that I'm working on, and some of them I only > > need to see the last few lines. In linux I'd just use tail, but, well, > > I'm not in linux. Anyone know if I can find a DOS version of tail > > somewhere (or an equivelent utility?). TIA! > > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 14 15:58:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992552306.3b292572f0241@dragon> Hey, Nate Carlson : > > On purpose??!? > hey, i _like_ the cold! The cold I can kinda take. It's the damn "It's 100 degrees in here cause these buildings were made to retain heat" thing that I can't take, and I'm from a DESERT forgoodnessake. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 14 15:59:16 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- haha, that's what did it for my roomie, who worked for VA for all of 5-6 months. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Michael Vieths wrote: > I moved from Minneapolis to San Jose in January of 1997. Took about 5 > months for the complete lack of weather and eternal sunniness to drive me > nuts, and I moved back to Minneapolis. :) > > > > > > Hi! My name is Jason, and I just moved to Minneapolis from San > > > Francisco last week! > > > > On purpose??!? > > > > -Yaron -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOyklpstpDhsSpvgtAQEBpgQAlBMOH/0M/v6Rk3tlrYBNSohyBG1xCNwd kS2XHouujjyQVlLcLYJGch6M8q9ard+B39cHeumFdG5Sa9QePEmn+NF+zwbqE+Y/ QCbgSofSR2F4TbKmvqeG6Kz6ias7J4ltFD7PeQ4OLIiMz/EMpBFLvaklsB1J2K16 Sv6cnP2C5ak= =XaUx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 14 16:00:30 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yah sure. I moved back from Tampa to Minneapolis just because I missed the cold and just couldn't stand it being hot all the time. There's plenty of weather down there so I didn't miss out on that. I recall there being something like 7 waterspouts[1] on the way down to a concert once. Josh [1] A tornado on water instead of land. It's usually near the shore and can still get'cha. __SIG__ On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > On purpose??!? > > hey, i _like_ the cold! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From brandon at rhinoventures.com Thu Jun 14 16:14:30 2001 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: new linux install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01061416143001.02378@dexter.rhinoventures.com> On Thursday 14 June 2001 03:50 pm: > I moved from Minneapolis to San Jose in January of 1997. Took about 5 > months for the complete lack of weather and eternal sunniness to drive me > nuts, and I moved back to Minneapolis. :) AMEN! :-) -- Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 14 16:23:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <3B29204B.E973E52F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jason Hataye wrote: > > Here's what I want to DO: > 128 MB RAM > One 3 gig hard drive (in second IDE slot) > One 30 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) > Red Hat Linux 7.1, give the partition about 2/3 of my HD space > Windoze 98, give the partition about 1/3 of my HD space > Use LILO to boot Anyway, you had a REAL question in there :-) What *I* would do is grab yourself a copy of a Windoze boot disk with fdisk on it and a copy of Tom's root boot. Make the drive changes and change all the info in the BIOS as you had described. Boot with the 'doze floppy, fdisk the drive. Make yourself a 10 GB FAT32 partition and set it active. Reboot the machine with Tom's root boot and 'dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/hda1' to move your existing Windoze partition (I'm assuming you want to keep Windoze running as is) to your new drive. Reboot once again using the Windoze boot disk and do a 'sys c:' to make it bootable. Then, boot to the hard disk and make sure Windoze starts. Once you know Windoze has been copied correctly, pop in the RH7.1 disc and do the install, carving up the other 20 gigs as you like. Make no changes to the 3 gig. Once you have your system booting OK and all your imporatnt stuff moved off the 3 GB onto your new drive, wipe the 3 gig, partition it to your liking, and mount it somewhere nice. The ONLY question I have is whether or not dd will just accept the new partition or whether it will resize to the old one. You may have to use 'cat /dev/hdb1 > /dev/hda1' instead. Anyone have an idea? Anyway, I'm doing something similar when I upgrade and that's how I was planning to do it. -Brian From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 16:26:43 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <992552306.3b292572f0241@dragon> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > > Nate Carlson : > > > > On purpose??!? > > hey, i _like_ the cold! > > The cold I can kinda take. It's the damn "It's 100 degrees in here cause these > buildings were made to retain heat" thing that I can't take, and I'm from a > DESERT forgoodnessake. It's not the architecture that's got you down. A desert is arid. Here, it's not so much the heat as the stupidity -- I mean humidity. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 14 16:35:12 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re: [TCLUG] new linux install) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992554512.3b292e10c01d7@dragon> Hi, Quoting Phil Mendelsohn : > It's not the architecture that's got you down. A desert is arid. > Here, it's not so much the heat as the stupidity -- I mean humidity. ;) It's the architecture. People call Israel a desert but it really isn't. I'm used to summer days of 100+ degrees AND 80% humidity, but in Israel when you go INDOORS it's COLDER, not hotter. It was usually 20 degrees colder in my appartment than it was outside, in the summer. Course, you still need an AC at 80+ degrees, but on days when it's 75 degrees here, my appartment quickly shoots up to 85+. And appartment DO retain heat in the winter in Israel, so they can't use that as an excuse here! (: -Yaron -- From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 14 10:49:01 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re: [TCLUG] new linux install) References: <992554512.3b292e10c01d7@dragon> Message-ID: <3B28DCED.965C5CBB@usfamily.net> Thats because there they build building out of stone, and stone can retain cold and heat better. Here houses are built out of insulated cardboard, which unfortunatly does not hold the cold in at all during the hot days. jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn : > > > It's not the architecture that's got you down. A desert is arid. > > Here, it's not so much the heat as the stupidity -- I mean humidity. ;) > > It's the architecture. People call Israel a desert but it really isn't. I'm > used to summer days of 100+ degrees AND 80% humidity, but in Israel when you go > INDOORS it's COLDER, not hotter. It was usually 20 degrees colder in my > appartment than it was outside, in the summer. Course, you still need an AC at > 80+ degrees, but on days when it's 75 degrees here, my appartment quickly > shoots up to 85+. > > And appartment DO retain heat in the winter in Israel, so they can't use that > as an excuse here! (: > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010614/2474642a/drew.vcf From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 14 16:49:42 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re: [TCLUG] new linux install) In-Reply-To: <3B28DCED.965C5CBB@usfamily.net> References: <992554512.3b292e10c01d7@dragon> <3B28DCED.965C5CBB@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <992555382.3b293176c096d@dragon> Hi, Quoting Andrew Nemchenko : > Thats because there they build building out of stone, Actually, reinforced concrete. Gotta withstand those dirrect hits by missiles, y'know! (; > Here houses are built out of insulated cardboard, which > unfortunatly does not hold the cold in at all during the hot days. Which, as I said before, means it's the architecture here that's the problem. I should just go build my own house. And my own portable MP3 player... -Yaron -- From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Thu Jun 14 17:06:08 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re: [TCLUG] new linux install)) References: <992554512.3b292e10c01d7@dragon> <3B28DCED.965C5CBB@usfamily.net> <992555382.3b293176c096d@dragon> Message-ID: <3B293550.145E90A3@securecomputing.com> > I should just go build my own house. And my own portable MP3 player... A high-school kid I worked with back in Iowa (circa 1999) made a voice activated MP3 player for his car. He took a mobo (200 MHz P1), hard drive, mic and power supply (modified to use juice from cig lighther) and threw them into a compartment for a 10-disc changer. He installed Win95 (bleck, peared down to the bare minimum, booted in something like 4 seconds), WinAmp and Dragon Naturally Speaking. The only problem he was having was that when he trained the speech software it often wouldn't work due to road noise. Ah well... it was still a pretty cool idea. Still worked great indoors. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 17:04:55 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re: [TCLUG] new linux install) In-Reply-To: <992555382.3b293176c096d@dragon> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Which, as I said before, means it's the architecture here that's the problem. > > I should just go build my own house. And my own portable MP3 player... Yeah, but then of all things Minnesotan, there'd be nothing left to kvetch about, eh? Do the mp3 -- it's easier and leaves your options open. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 17:07:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG] new linux install)) In-Reply-To: <3B293550.145E90A3@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > The only problem he was having was that when he trained the speech > software it often wouldn't work due to road noise. Ah well... it was > still a pretty cool idea. Still worked great indoors. Yeah, but every time he answered the phone, he got Lionel Ritchie. "Hello?" -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Thu Jun 14 17:14:24 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neither dd nor cat will do any resizing. Instead of moving the partition around that way expect to move data between hda1/hdb1 at the filesystem level. This is true for two reasons. The boot block in the partition is coded for a specific size and your file system meta data is all sized for the other drive. You would need to adjust each for the new drive during the transfer. Stuff like ghost and partition magic does the FS mangling automagically. You can get away with dding a partition to another *if* they are of approximately the same size. Any extra space will just be unused. You're probably much better off mounting each and just moving files around that way. (not that I read the original question, I'm just responding to the suggestion) Josh __SIG__ On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jason Hataye wrote: > > > > > Here's what I want to DO: > > 128 MB RAM > > One 3 gig hard drive (in second IDE slot) > > One 30 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) > > Red Hat Linux 7.1, give the partition about 2/3 of my HD space > > Windoze 98, give the partition about 1/3 of my HD space > > Use LILO to boot > > Anyway, you had a REAL question in there :-) > > What *I* would do is grab yourself a copy of a Windoze boot disk with > fdisk on it and a copy of Tom's root boot. Make the drive changes and > change all the info in the BIOS as you had described. Boot with the 'doze > floppy, fdisk the drive. Make yourself a 10 GB FAT32 partition and set it > active. Reboot the machine with Tom's root boot and 'dd if=/dev/hdb1 > of=/dev/hda1' to move your existing Windoze partition (I'm assuming you > want to keep Windoze running as is) to your new drive. Reboot once again > using the Windoze boot disk and do a 'sys c:' to make it bootable. Then, > boot to the hard disk and make sure Windoze starts. Once you know Windoze > has been copied correctly, pop in the RH7.1 disc and do the install, > carving up the other 20 gigs as you like. Make no changes to the 3 > gig. Once you have your system booting OK and all your imporatnt stuff > moved off the 3 GB onto your new drive, wipe the 3 gig, partition it to > your liking, and mount it somewhere nice. > > The ONLY question I have is whether or not dd will just accept the new > partition or whether it will resize to the old one. You may have to use > 'cat /dev/hdb1 > /dev/hda1' instead. Anyone have an idea? > > Anyway, I'm doing something similar when I upgrade and that's how I was > planning to do it. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 14 11:24:03 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG] new linux install)) References: Message-ID: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> Why dont you just go to wall mart and buy a mp3 playing cd player for $95. Its cheap and easy to use. Plus you can even take it outside of yor car. Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > The only problem he was having was that when he trained the speech > > software it often wouldn't work due to road noise. Ah well... it was > > still a pretty cool idea. Still worked great indoors. > > Yeah, but every time he answered the phone, he got Lionel Ritchie. > > "Hello?" > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010614/00675446/drew.vcf From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 14 17:19:39 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDBurning, again In-Reply-To: <236552001641418415401@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:41:05PM -0500 References: <236552001641418415401@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010614171939.B21278@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:41:05PM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > From: tobytoo@black-hole.com > To: tobytoo@black-hole.com, > Subject: FW: CDBurning, again > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:41:15 -0500 > > I'm having trouble with my cd burn setup. > A RICOH 9070 CDRW-DVD using Caldera kernel 2.2.14 > I can get it to recognize as a burner but when I do it won't read > from > it, I keep getting a "Not a recognized block device" error. I suppose "get it to recognize as a burner" means enabling SCSI generic support in the kernel... Then you have to do a "ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom". florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 14 17:32:12 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG] new linux install)) In-Reply-To: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> References: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <992557932.3b293b6c835e4@dragon> Hi, Quoting Andrew Nemchenko : > Why dont you just go to wall mart and buy a mp3 playing cd player for > $95. > Its cheap and easy to use. Plus you can even take it outside of yor > car. Because I don't want to lug around something the size of a CD player. Unfortunetly I also want something with more than 64MB of RAM. And also I'd like ot pay under $300. I guess I'll wait a few years... In the meantime I did get my wife a Rio Volt (mp3 CDR player) which is pretty cool. -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 17:47:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010614174746.52cd75c7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Joshua Jore wrote: > > Ok, that's all reasonable. I'm still prejudiced against them > but that can remain my opinion. Hey, I'm with you -- I must have an electromagnetic field around me that totally wrecks floppies or something. I was really happy when Steve Jobs banished floppy drives from Apples However, if people insist on using floppies, I'd really recommend ejecting them after the system has been booted. There's no telling how much dust could collect if that little window stays open. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ OK, so what's the speed / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ of dark? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010614/8ede7c5b/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Thu Jun 14 12:48:25 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player In-Reply-To: <992557932.3b293b6c835e4@dragon> Message-ID: > Because I don't want to lug around something the size of a CD player. > Unfortunetly I also want something with more than 64MB of RAM. And also I'd > like ot pay under $300. I guess I'll wait a few years... Probably not quite that long. When I was in Osaka, I wandered through the Sony tower and saw that they've got 128M memory sticks (interchangeable ram) for their little mp3 player. I also saw elsewhere a little Aiwa that didn't have removable media, but held 128M and were pretty compact. $400. Shoulda bought it, since I've not found that one here. I'm betting about a year to get something reasonable for $300. > In the meantime I did get my wife a Rio Volt (mp3 CDR player) which is pretty > cool. How much? AA batteries? I.e., is it the same size as the CD walkmans? I've considered those a bit too big 'n klunky. Maybe a minidisk player.... hmmm. For non-CD-R players, I'd like to see one that's easy to load up with new songs through linux/usb. I've not yet sussed out which models can do that. Andy > -Yaron From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 14 18:30:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? Message-ID: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> XFree86-4.1 has some new options: #Option "TexturedVideo" #Option "XAALines" #Option "Crtc2Half" #Option "Int10" #Option "AGPMode2x" #Option "AGPMode4x" #Option "DigitalScreen" #Option "TV" #Option "TVStandard" #Option "CableType" #Option "UseIrqZero" #Option "NoHal" #Option "AGPMode" "1" But I cannot find them documented anywhere. Anyone have a url where I can find out what these new options do? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 19:02:53 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? In-Reply-To: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> References: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > XFree86-4.1 has some new options: > Some of these are pretty easy. Others I'm not so sure about. Unfortunately, I don't know what syntaxes they use. Hmm. These look like Matrox options. I've seen them all before, but I haven't really used them.. > #Option "TexturedVideo" Instead of doing video overlay, fake it with an OpenGL texture. (I assume, since turning on this option also disables DRI). > #Option "XAALines" > #Option "Crtc2Half" Not sure.. > #Option "Int10" Might have something to do with `booting' the card on a non-Intel box. Sparcs, PPCs, etc. But I'm not sure.. (BTW, I just saw an interesting note the other day: http://advogato.org/person/davem/diary.html?start=11) > #Option "AGPMode2x" > #Option "AGPMode4x" Run the card in AGP mode 2x or 4x > #Option "DigitalScreen" Is this card or head powering a digital LCD? > #Option "TV" Same as above, but for television output. > #Option "TVStandard" You probably want to put NTSC here ;-) > #Option "CableType" This should allow you to tell the card (when outputting to a TV) if it's running over S-Video or RCA cables. > #Option "UseIrqZero" Dunno. > #Option "NoHal" Don't load the Matrox HALlib module. Probably only useful if you don't need dual-head or some of the other features provided by the HAL library. Also good for debugging, I 'spect.. > #Option "AGPMode" "1" Probably the same as the above AGPMode[24]x settings, though I suspect this will be the `standard' way of doing it across different cards. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 15 - Unable to exit / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. Try the door. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010614/d5ac7ae4/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 14 19:18:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? In-Reply-To: <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:02:53PM -0500 References: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): I'm having problem with X in xinerama mode. My 2nd monitor gives me a ugly block cursor for the mouse. The config worked fine with 4.0.3. I have played with the hardware and software cursor stuff. But nothing fixes the problem. > Might have something to do with `booting' the card on a non-Intel box. > Sparcs, PPCs, etc. But I'm not sure.. (BTW, I just saw an interesting > note the other day: http://advogato.org/person/davem/diary.html?start=11) > > > #Option "AGPMode2x" > > #Option "AGPMode4x" > > Run the card in AGP mode 2x or 4x Can you explain these options more? What does that mean 2x faster? 2x wider? > > #Option "NoHal" > > Don't load the Matrox HALlib module. Probably only useful if you don't > need dual-head or some of the other features provided by the HAL library. > Also good for debugging, I 'spect.. I need dual-head, so maybe I need to Option "Hal"? Dual head is working except for the mouse problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 19:40:58 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? In-Reply-To: <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> References: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010614194058.13023f9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > #Option "AGPMode2x" > > > #Option "AGPMode4x" > > > > Run the card in AGP mode 2x or 4x > > Can you explain these options more? What does that mean 2x faster? 2x > wider? As far as I know, AGP 2x is twice as fast as ordinary AGP, 4x is for times as fast. The ability to use these is probably limited by the video card and by your motherboard. I imagine a G400 or better can do 4x, and motherboards made in the last year or so can probably at least do 2x. I don't know about your mouse cursor problem. I would have just played with the hardware/software cursor settings, but you already did that.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: because a PC is a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ terrible thing to waste \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was really happy when Steve Jobs > banished floppy drives from Apples > > However, if people insist on using floppies, I'd really recommend ejecting > them after the system has been booted. There's no telling how much dust > could collect if that little window stays open. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ OK, so what's the speed > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ of dark? > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 14 20:41:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 and Mozilla don't work? Message-ID: <20010614204121.B15516@real-time.com> Sigh. The trials of upgrading to new stuff ahead of the curve.... % ./run-mozilla.sh MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.:./plugins LIBRARY_PATH=.:./components SHLIB_PATH=. LIBPATH=. ADDON_PATH=. MOZ_PROGRAM=./mozilla-bin MOZ_TOOLKIT= moz_debug=0 moz_debugger= ************************************************** nsNativeComponentLoader: SelfRegisterDll(/home/tanner/tmp/mozilla-new/components/libgfx_gtk.so) Load FAILED with error: libXIE.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ************************************************** Anyone else have mozilla not work? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 14 21:08:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iPlanet users? Message-ID: <20010614210849.D15516@real-time.com> Any iPlanet users on the list? I am looking to see of the java class netscape.nda.servlet.ServerPushThread has source code available? In particular, I am looking to see how they implement the doPushForMSIE() API, since IE is stupid and does not understand MultiPart Responses. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 14 21:53:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > On that note I recall hearing from our engineers (I work at a megaco that > makes floppies) that the stray electrical trickle or so on a R/W head can > and does attract dust and may pose issues to the data it is in immediate > contact with. So, in essence, the whole idea of the floppy was flawed? :-) If it's important, I don't use floppies anymore. They're too small to hold anything, and they're so unreliable. I've resorted to using floppies only for booting legacy hardware AKA those without bootable CDROM support. In the original instance of this thread a floppy makes sense because it's an easy way to go. If you get your distro past the size of a floppy, use a 20 or 40 MB hard drive. If you don't have one, ask the geek closest to you if they're willing to trade one of theirs for beer. -Brian From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 14 22:07:53 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? In-Reply-To: <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> References: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010614220753.75f2d32d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > I'm having problem with X in xinerama mode. My 2nd monitor gives me a > ugly block cursor for the mouse. > > The config worked fine with 4.0.3. I have played with the hardware and > software cursor stuff. But nothing fixes the problem. There's an extremely remote chance that this could fix the problem. I found it in RedHat's 4.0.3 source RPM.. The only reason I'm suggesting it is because it has `cursor' in the name of the patch.. (Sylpheed's going to mangle this, obviously..) --- XFree86-4.0.3/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/mga/mga_dacG.c.mga-hwcursor-fix Sun Mar 25 22:21:18 2001 +++ XFree86-4.0.3/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/mga/mga_dacG.c Sun Mar 25 22:22:14 2001 @@ -825,7 +825,10 @@ while( INREG( MGAREG_Status ) & 0x08 ); /* Output position - "only" 12 bits of location documented */ - OUTREG( RAMDAC_OFFSET + MGA1064_CUR_XLOW, (y << 16) | (x & 0xFFFF)); + OUTREG8( RAMDAC_OFFSET + MGA1064_CUR_XLOW, (x & 0xFF)); + OUTREG8( RAMDAC_OFFSET + MGA1064_CUR_XHI, (x & 0xF00) >> 8); + OUTREG8( RAMDAC_OFFSET + MGA1064_CUR_YLOW, (y & 0xFF)); + OUTREG8( RAMDAC_OFFSET + MGA1064_CUR_YHI, (y & 0xF00) >> 8); } static void -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Grow your own dope... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ plant a person. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Both the mainboard and the video card need to support the same settings to work. Much like anything else, different match-ups produce different results. Your bios will tell you if it supports 4x AGP. Some 4xAGP cards have a jumper on them to enable 4x. I have a Tyan 1864 that says it does 4x, but the system crashes when enabled. There are alot of issues to consider when running your AGP bus faster than 133, but that is another issue entirely. check out this article it explains a bit about the wonders of the accelerated graphics port. From mccloud at wiredhot.net Thu Jun 14 23:01:16 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest/M$N Deal In-Reply-To: References: <20010613114503.C16031@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B29423C.4154.D028C6@localhost> On 13 Jun 2001, at 11:55, Nate Carlson wrote: > >you would get more business. > Yeah, we are actually already in the process of redesigning our entire > web site to make it.. well, usable, and accurate. > > But, I've forwarded your complaints on to the proper person anyways. TCLUG pricing? Free DNS for business's? 8 IP addresses free? Please forward my complaints to. I just went over my pricing and decided against real-time because of the pricing posted on the website. Its to late to change now, I'm dedicated. I spent way to much money already. Bob From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Thu Jun 14 18:15:30 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well actually I would rather use a bootable CDROM but I don't have a burner.... On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > On that note I recall hearing from our engineers (I work at a megaco that > > makes floppies) that the stray electrical trickle or so on a R/W head can > > and does attract dust and may pose issues to the data it is in immediate > > contact with. > > So, in essence, the whole idea of the floppy was flawed? :-) > > If it's important, I don't use floppies anymore. They're too small to > hold anything, and they're so unreliable. I've resorted to using floppies > only for booting legacy hardware AKA those without bootable CDROM > support. In the original instance of this thread a floppy makes sense > because it's an easy way to go. If you get your distro past the size of a > floppy, use a 20 or 40 MB hard drive. If you don't have one, ask the geek > closest to you if they're willing to trade one of theirs for beer. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Jun 14 23:40:55 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iPlanet users? References: <20010614210849.D15516@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B2991D7.8BBACC83@mninter.net> We use iPlanet almost exclusively at work. Let me ask our web admin on this tomorrow and I'll let you know. My guess is no, as it is a proprietary software still. Bob Tanner wrote: > > Any iPlanet users on the list? > > I am looking to see of the java class netscape.nda.servlet.ServerPushThread has > source code available? > > In particular, I am looking to see how they implement the doPushForMSIE() API, > since IE is stupid and does not understand MultiPart Responses. From mend0070 at umn.edu Thu Jun 14 23:43:00 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy Message-ID: <200106150443.XAA25096@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 14 Jun 2001, Brian is alleged to have said: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > On that note I recall hearing from our engineers (I work at a megaco that > > makes floppies) that the stray electrical trickle or so on a R/W head can > > and does attract dust and may pose issues to the data it is in immediate > > contact with. > > So, in essence, the whole idea of the floppy was flawed? :-) No, not at all. Anything electrical turns into a "dust magnet." Remember, floppies were never designed to *replace* hard drives. And the same issues occur on magnetic tape heads, they're just slightly less exposed on a cartridge drive, and most open reel data decks used to live in filtered air cooled computer rooms (not clean rooms, but better than office air.) From gary at archdirect.com Fri Jun 15 00:31:55 2001 From: gary at archdirect.com (Gary Turpening) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy References: Message-ID: <3B299DCB.609EE137@archdirect.com> Please take me off your e-mail list. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gary.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 202 bytes Desc: Card for Gary Turpening Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010615/f61b7fdf/gary.vcf From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 15 01:32:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options? In-Reply-To: <20010614220753.75f2d32d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:07:53PM -0500 References: <20010614183033.B9511@real-time.com> <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010614191832.E9511@real-time.com> <20010614220753.75f2d32d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010615013259.A31207@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > --- > XFree86-4.0.3/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/mga/mga_dacG.c.mga-hwcursor-fix Thanks, but that patch was already in there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jun 15 04:49:21 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG]new linux install)) References: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3B29DA21.C0745CB4@haxxed.com> Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Why dont you just go to wall mart and buy a mp3 playing cd player for $95. > Its cheap and easy to use. Plus you can even take it outside of yor car. Most likely its one of these: http://www.kanguru.com/cdmp3.html I have one and its pretty craptacular. It doesn't read cdrw's. Its skip protection is a joke when playing mp3s, don't plan on walking around with it. In the car it sits in my lap taking advantage of the body's natural shock absorbtion. It can't seek through mp3s which is a big minus when you're listening to 72 minute long trance mixes and car trips are 40min at most. But its better than nothing, and I can carry my entire tunnel trance force collection on a CD, where my friend with a 128mb (64mb built in, and a 64mb card) Rio500 can only carry at most two, re-encoded at 112kbps to fit in 64mb since the Rio won't let a single mp3 cross over from internal ram to the external... One of these days I'll finish building that car mp3 player. Did anyone else snag a free Vacuum Fluorescent Display from Noritake at Strictly eBuisness? ;) From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Jun 15 08:24:45 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG]new linux install)) References: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3B2A0C9D.B80AEC5D@securecomputing.com> If that comment was addressed to me (not sure if was back to Yaron or not)... This was going down in early to mid '99. If I recall correctly, the first commercial MP3 players were just coming to market and cost more than the parts he bought to build his own. Plus it was just a fun project for him. Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Why dont you just go to wall mart and buy a mp3 playing cd player for $95. > Its cheap and easy to use. Plus you can even take it outside of yor car. > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > > > The only problem he was having was that when he trained the speech > > > software it often wouldn't work due to road noise. Ah well... it was > > > still a pretty cool idea. Still worked great indoors. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Fri Jun 15 08:27:54 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Certainly not, it's just that standard practice has you storing your floppies in a box or something similar. The floppy diskette system is not designed to be a storage mechanism for a floppy. This just means that you are expected to boot your machine from floppy, remove the disk and store it elsewhere. Of course, if your machine reboots suddenly you've got a problem. Here is why you (a) run diskless workstations that boot from the network or (b) put at least *something* on a local hard drive. I would be aghast to find a production machine that was dependant on having the floppy disk physically mounted all the time. Mostly this is just a case where something is certainly possible, it's just not advisable. Josh __SIG__ On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > > > On that note I recall hearing from our engineers (I work at a megaco that > > makes floppies) that the stray electrical trickle or so on a R/W head can > > and does attract dust and may pose issues to the data it is in immediate > > contact with. > > So, in essence, the whole idea of the floppy was flawed? :-) > > If it's important, I don't use floppies anymore. They're too small to > hold anything, and they're so unreliable. I've resorted to using floppies > only for booting legacy hardware AKA those without bootable CDROM > support. In the original instance of this thread a floppy makes sense > because it's an easy way to go. If you get your distro past the size of a > floppy, use a 20 or 40 MB hard drive. If you don't have one, ask the geek > closest to you if they're willing to trade one of theirs for beer. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jun 15 03:00:06 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG]new linux install)) References: <3B28E522.106AEEA7@usfamily.net> <3B2A0C9D.B80AEC5D@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <3B29C085.427C48B0@usfamily.net> Well this really was a message for everyone. I hear lots of people talking about building an MP3 player for their car, but I think that this is the easiest way to go. Since they already make portable cd players that play mp3's why go through the hassle to build your own? Jesse Erdmann wrote: > If that comment was addressed to me (not sure if was back to Yaron or > not)... > > This was going down in early to mid '99. If I recall correctly, the > first commercial MP3 players were just coming to market and cost more > than the parts he bought to build his own. Plus it was just a fun > project for him. > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > Why dont you just go to wall mart and buy a mp3 playing cd player for $95. > > Its cheap and easy to use. Plus you can even take it outside of yor car. > > > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > > > > > The only problem he was having was that when he trained the speech > > > > software it often wouldn't work due to road noise. Ah well... it was > > > > still a pretty cool idea. Still worked great indoors. > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010615/f3c580ed/drew.vcf From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 15 09:03:25 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was (RE: OT: Mpls Weather (was: Re:[TCLUG]new linux install)) In-Reply-To: <3B29C085.427C48B0@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > to go. Since they already make portable cd players that play mp3's why go > through the hassle to build your own? For fun? (: Or maybe you want more than 650MB? Aiwa make a Car-CD-MP3 player that's like $300 though. And, like I said, I don't want a car one (: -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 15 04:07:26 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > For fun? (: Or maybe you want more than 650MB? > > Aiwa make a Car-CD-MP3 player that's like $300 though. The portables that play from CDs are really no less bulky than the ones that use HDs. Those use 2.5" laptop drives, which are easily obtainable in 20G capacity. > And, like I said, I don't want a car one (: I want one that's smaller than my Nokia 8260, but which has interchangeable media. Andy > > -Yaron From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 09:17:08 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Floppy In-Reply-To: <3B299DCB.609EE137@archdirect.com> Message-ID: <20010615091708.H21645@ringworld.org> * Gary Turpening [010615 00:31]: > Please take me off your e-mail list. Thanks. tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Go to the webpage and follow the directions. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Bob Tanner wrote: > > Any iPlanet users on the list? > > I am looking to see of the java class netscape.nda.servlet.ServerPushThread has > source code available? > > In particular, I am looking to see how they implement the doPushForMSIE() API, > since IE is stupid and does not understand MultiPart Responses. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jun 15 12:09:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280902@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > I want one that's smaller than my Nokia 8260, but which has > interchangeable media. Yeah, well I want one built into my Nokia 8260 with recording capabilities. Then I can record conversations with it. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was > > > > For fun? (: Or maybe you want more than 650MB? > > > > Aiwa make a Car-CD-MP3 player that's like $300 though. > > The portables that play from CDs are really no less bulky > than the ones > that use HDs. Those use 2.5" laptop drives, which are easily > obtainable in > 20G capacity. > > > And, like I said, I don't want a car one (: > > I want one that's smaller than my Nokia 8260, but which has > interchangeable media. > > Andy > > > > > -Yaron > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jun 15 06:52:22 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280902@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B29F6F6.E0516843@usfamily.net> Personally I dont think that Integrated components are a good idea. It seems that when ever they try to mix two things they both endup sucking. For example a watch and a digital camera. The watch works fine, but the digital camera is a peace of crap. For the same reason I think that a phone and an mp3 player, or a palm pilot with a digital camera, or a palm with an MP3 player are not good ideas. Because you loose the quality in both. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I want one that's smaller than my Nokia 8260, but which has > > interchangeable media. > > Yeah, well I want one built into my Nokia 8260 with recording capabilities. > Then I can record conversations with it. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:07 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Portable MP3 player was > > > > > > > For fun? (: Or maybe you want more than 650MB? > > > > > > Aiwa make a Car-CD-MP3 player that's like $300 though. > > > > The portables that play from CDs are really no less bulky > > than the ones > > that use HDs. Those use 2.5" laptop drives, which are easily > > obtainable in > > 20G capacity. > > > > > And, like I said, I don't want a car one (: > > > > I want one that's smaller than my Nokia 8260, but which has > > interchangeable media. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010615/d97b95db/drew.vcf From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jun 15 14:23:30 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010530225711.E857@real-time.com> References: <200105310248.f4V2m2K15789@sprite.real-time.com> <000f01c0e984$d3fc5c20$cd8be23f@csi.net> <20010530225711.E857@real-time.com> Message-ID: <992633010.31450.7.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I'm trying to compile some modules on my Redhat 7.1 box but when I do I get an error: /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:1:2: #error Modules should never use kernel-headers system headers, /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:2:2: #error but headers from an appropriate kernel-source I'm told I need to install the correct kernel-source. Anybody know what kernel-source package I should install? I don't want to mess up my system too much. I installed the kernel-source that was on Red Carpet (because installing stuff with Red Carpet is fun!) but that didn't seem to make any difference. Thanks, Brady From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 15:14:46 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <992633010.31450.7.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: run uname -a to determine what version of the linux kernel you're running. You need the same kernel headers as your running kernel. If you compiled your own kernel, point the thing your compiling at that. You don't need to find it as an rpm, you can grab kernel source from ftp.us.kernel.org and extract it to /usr/src/linux (clean up symlinks, extract, create new symlinks) or extract it to your home directory (or where ever it won't overwrite soemthing). Is there a standard enviorment varible for specifing where your kernel sources are? KERNER_DIR or something? Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 15:54:19 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <3B29204B.E973E52F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jason Hataye wrote: > Here's what I want to DO: > 128 MB RAM > One 3 gig hard drive (in second IDE slot) > One 30 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) > Red Hat Linux 7.1, give the partition about 2/3 of my HD space > Windoze 98, give the partition about 1/3 of my HD space > Use LILO to boot Here's how I would do it: 1. Make all the hardware play nice the way you want it. 2. Partition the drive from some manner of Linux rescue disk, giving Windows the beginning of the drive (minus a /boot, if you need it, and possibly swap - I like to keep that as a primary partition). 3. After the drive is partitioned, install Windows. It will overwrite your MBR, of course. 4. Boot with the Linux installer, make filesystems on the Linux partitions you've created, and install Linux. Make it install LILO on the master boot record. 5. If the Linux install didn't automatically add a stanza to lilo.conf for your Windows install, add one. 6. Do you need to share files from the 3GB drive between Linux and Windows? If so, copy all the files over to the 30GB drive, format the 3GB as vfat/fat32, and copy the files back over. Also, if you're open to experimentation with different distributions, this would be an excellent opportunity. :) Ones I would recommend trying are: - Progeny: nice installer and some good config tools. If you do this, *don't* create a /boot partition. Progeny uses GRUB instead of LILO, so the kernel doesn't need to be below the 1024th cylinder. - Debian: more command-line based, but excellent for configuration and maintenance - SuSE: solid install and configuration tools - YaST has been around for a long time and covers most config tasks. > QUESTION: Should I leave the 3gigHD "as is?" I'm afraid of having two > linux kernels, one on each HD. I can't just wipe out my 3gig HD because > I need the data. What do I do here? I see two possible choices, but > don't know how to execute either: 1) Have a kernel on each HD, but make > the computer only use the new one which is on the 30gigHD. --or-- 2) > Delete the old kernel (and any other "operating system" stuff, but > nothing else) on the 3gig HD. Any thoughts on what to do? There's no need to worry about having an extra kernel sitting around, except that it will be wasting space that could be taken up by other files. The default lilo.conf that gets installed on the MBR of the new drive won't boot the secondary drive unless you add a stanza for it. The BIOS will not touch the secondary drive for booting - it will only go to the first IDE hard drive. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 16:22:46 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > There's no need to worry about having an extra kernel sitting around, Sure there is. You can say: Look how long I've gone without reinstalling my Linux box? 2.0.36...and as a fall back when you install a new kernel. But yeah, you don't need them. I finially got around to cleaning out /boot. Only have 3 kernels sitting around now. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From florin at iucha.net Fri Jun 15 17:11:29 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:14:46PM -0500 References: <992633010.31450.7.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <20010615171129.A484@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:14:46PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > run uname -a to determine what version of the linux kernel you're running. > > You need the same kernel headers as your running kernel. If you compiled > your own kernel, point the thing your compiling at that. You don't need to > find it as an rpm, you can grab kernel source from ftp.us.kernel.org and > extract it to /usr/src/linux (clean up symlinks, extract, create new > symlinks) or extract it to your home directory (or where ever it won't > overwrite soemthing). Do _NOT_ extract the kernel in /usr/src/linux. That place is for the distribution-managed sources and includes. There have been a few threads on LKML and Linus's opinion is that /usr/src/linux is not good. Extract it into /usr/local/src/linux instead. > Is there a standard enviorment varible for specifing where your kernel > sources are? KERNER_DIR or something? Why would you need something like this? Usually modules not distributed with the kernel like udf, alsa, etc. let you specify the kernel source directory as an argument to the "configure" script. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Fri Jun 15 17:31:44 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just rehashing old business... Any recent rev of LILO (like in the last year or so) doesn't care about that old 1024 cylinder limit anymore. Assuming the distro is recent there isn't any particular reason to have a /boot partition. Josh __SIG__ On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jason Hataye wrote: > > > Here's what I want to DO: > > 128 MB RAM > > One 3 gig hard drive (in second IDE slot) > > One 30 gig hard drive (in first IDE slot) > > Red Hat Linux 7.1, give the partition about 2/3 of my HD space > > Windoze 98, give the partition about 1/3 of my HD space > > Use LILO to boot > > Here's how I would do it: > 1. Make all the hardware play nice the way you want it. > 2. Partition the drive from some manner of Linux rescue disk, giving > Windows the beginning of the drive (minus a /boot, if you need it, and > possibly swap - I like to keep that as a primary partition). > 3. After the drive is partitioned, install Windows. It will overwrite > your MBR, of course. > 4. Boot with the Linux installer, make filesystems on the Linux > partitions you've created, and install Linux. Make it install LILO on > the master boot record. > 5. If the Linux install didn't automatically add a stanza to lilo.conf > for your Windows install, add one. > 6. Do you need to share files from the 3GB drive between Linux and > Windows? If so, copy all the files over to the 30GB drive, format the > 3GB as vfat/fat32, and copy the files back over. > > Also, if you're open to experimentation with different distributions, > this would be an excellent opportunity. :) Ones I would recommend trying > are: > - Progeny: nice installer and some good config tools. If you do this, > *don't* create a /boot partition. Progeny uses GRUB instead of LILO, > so the kernel doesn't need to be below the 1024th cylinder. > - Debian: more command-line based, but excellent for configuration and > maintenance > - SuSE: solid install and configuration tools - YaST has been around for > a long time and covers most config tasks. > > > QUESTION: Should I leave the 3gigHD "as is?" I'm afraid of having two > > linux kernels, one on each HD. I can't just wipe out my 3gig HD because > > I need the data. What do I do here? I see two possible choices, but > > don't know how to execute either: 1) Have a kernel on each HD, but make > > the computer only use the new one which is on the 30gigHD. --or-- 2) > > Delete the old kernel (and any other "operating system" stuff, but > > nothing else) on the 3gig HD. Any thoughts on what to do? > > There's no need to worry about having an extra kernel sitting around, > except that it will be wasting space that could be taken up by other > files. The default lilo.conf that gets installed on the MBR of the new > drive won't boot the secondary drive unless you add a stanza for it. The > BIOS will not touch the secondary drive for booting - it will only go to > the first IDE hard drive. > > Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa > Kevin R. Bullock > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 15 17:55:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest memory footprint for a GUI web browser? In-Reply-To: <20010613212342.H9995@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:23:42PM -0500 References: <20010613212342.H9995@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010615175528.E24212@real-time.com> > Anyone have any recommendations on the smallest memory footprint for a GUI web > browser? Alan Cox is working on a simple one for PDAs: http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/tuxurf.gif not much information about it, tho. I seem to remember something about it only taking up 42K of disk space... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 18:09:47 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010615171129.A484@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > Do _NOT_ extract the kernel in /usr/src/linux. That place is for the > distribution-managed sources and includes. There have been a few threads > on LKML and Linus's opinion is that /usr/src/linux is not good. > > Extract it into /usr/local/src/linux instead. With modern distros (Red Hat and Debian for sure) it is not an issue. From memory the argument was that /usr/src/linux contained the headers that glibc was compiled agnist. You'll now find those headers under /usr/include/linux. Debian kernel-sourcew package extract to /usr/src, and nothing breaks. In the end its more of a security thing. With the sources in /usr/src, everyone can see them, and perhaps modify. And you don't need to compile the kernel as root, and unless you setup your group permissions properly you have to do so with kernel source in /usr/src. I personally don't see anything wrong with compiling stuff in /usr/src. I add myself to the src group and off I go. I feel this argument is dated, and since EVERYONE puts the source there anyway it's the expected course of action. Not that going with the flock is a good thing, but I'm definitly not running tward any cliffs so I feel OK about it. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 15 18:16:26 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010615171129.A484@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 05:11:29PM -0500 References: <992633010.31450.7.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> <20010615171129.A484@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010615181626.G24212@real-time.com> > Extract it into /usr/local/src/linux instead. make a dir under $HOME for your kernel source. that way you don't have to be root to work on it. (or muck with permissions on the /usr/local/src tree). I understand this is what Linus does. /usr is supposed to be immutable (at least as I understand the filesystem standard). you should be able to mount it read-only, under ideal circumstances. /usr/src is a legacy from when user's home dirs were under /usr. really, one should consider making a /home/src tree, symlinked from /usr/src, if one uses /usr/src on a regular basis (such as those of us building RPMs). (not that I've actually tried this; it's just an idea I'm kicking out). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 15 18:24:09 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: G450 (was: Re: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options?) In-Reply-To: <20010615091850.I21645@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:18:50AM -0500 References: <20010614190253.52e9c81b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010615091850.I21645@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010615182409.H24212@real-time.com> > > Don't load the Matrox HALlib module. Probably only useful if you don't > Actually, the G450 doesn't require the HALlib to do dualhead. with X 4.1, or older X vers? btw, where can I find debian src packages for X 4.1? I'm having issues with X 4.0.3 all of a sudden... it'll die (all that shows in the logs is a window manager segfault); and hang the framebuffer, such that one needs to reboot to reset the thing. also, has anyone gotten a framebuffer console to work with a G450? I tried the matroxfb kernel options; but the Framebuffer-HOWTO is awfully out of date, and indeed may be wrong in some places... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jun 15 20:26:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem compiling modules with Redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010615181626.G24212@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > make a dir under $HOME for your kernel source. that way you don't have to be > root to work on it. (or muck with permissions on the /usr/local/src tree). > I understand this is what Linus does. Ever since Linus (and I think Alan too) started screaming about people un-tarring kernels in /usr/src/linux and doing all the symlinking to the new headers I've un-tarred to my home directory and done a straight build without any symlinking. That way I know gcc won't complain about the new headers. It's worked very well for me. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jun 15 22:40:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:37 2005 Subject: G450 (was: Re: [TCLUG] XFree86-4.1 new options?) In-Reply-To: <20010615182409.H24212@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010615224045.L21645@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010615 18:25]: > with X 4.1, or older X vers? I'm doing it with 4.0.3, shipped with progeny. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was pretty shocked that thet Disk Druid wouldn't do it, since lilo hasn't had that 1024 cyclinder limit for over a year. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Jun 16 11:14:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <20010616081157.A29083@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > Yup. I currently have / at the 12 GB mark on my RAID. RedHat's Disk Druid > refused to let me do that, so I just used fdisk. I was pretty shocked that > thet Disk Druid wouldn't do it, since lilo hasn't had that 1024 cyclinder > limit for over a year. That's because Disk Druid sucks. ALWAYS fdisk. -Brian From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Sat Jun 16 12:33:22 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Huh. So *that's* what I'm missing by not using Red Hat! Hey, out of curiousity has anyone here ever tried to get PostgreSQL or something similar to run on NT? I'm just asking cuz the desktop NT box is faster and it'd be nice to offload that from the lil linux server. Josh __SIG__ On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > > > Yup. I currently have / at the 12 GB mark on my RAID. RedHat's Disk Druid > > refused to let me do that, so I just used fdisk. I was pretty shocked that > > thet Disk Druid wouldn't do it, since lilo hasn't had that 1024 cyclinder > > limit for over a year. > > That's because Disk Druid sucks. ALWAYS fdisk. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jun 16 13:23:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new linux install In-Reply-To: <20010616081157.A29083@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010616132356.M21645@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [010616 08:18]: > refused to let me do that, so I just used fdisk. I was pretty shocked that > thet Disk Druid wouldn't do it, since lilo hasn't had that 1024 cyclinder > limit for over a year. Grub and GNU Parted, baby! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <992633010.31450.7.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> <20010615171129.A484@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B2C815D.80B4B4F7@haxxed.com> Okay, completely on accident I managed to get the binary opengl supporting nvidia drivers to work with xinerama. A clean reboot was probably the key. ;P http://www.haxxed.com/random/openglmultihead.jpg HELL FREAKIN YEAH! Screenshot swappage killed the framerate, I get about 30fps at that point in the level, and ~50fps everywhere else, with a TNT2 Ultra in a 1024x768 window in 32bit color. The right screen is a TNT1 run by the stock nv driver, and the left screen is a 3dfx banshee. And the textures are gone because its competition settings. ;) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Jun 17 14:49:39 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3B2C815D.80B4B4F7@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010617144939.O21645@ringworld.org> * Callum Lerwick [010617 08:02]: > And the textures are gone because its competition settings. ;) You know, I like it when games force graphics settings onto people. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Jun 17 20:47:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wierd License In-Reply-To: <992825253.4690.0.camel@ares> Message-ID: <20010617204729.Q21645@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010617 19:53]: > am by no means a GPL zealot, but I am curious how they can code > something using GPL, and lGPL libs and then have a definitely closed Which libs are GPL that it is linked against? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they're using LGPL libraries, that only imposes the restriction that they make it possible to replace the library with another version of it, either by linking dynamically to the library or providing compiled object code and instructions (such as a makefile) for linking that object code against the LGPLed library. After all, LGPL was created specifically to help people create Free libraries that could be used in non-Free applications. OTOH, if they're statically linking to libs that are under the full GPL, then there's a problem. (If they link dynamically to a GPLed .so, that's not a real clear-cut case under GPL v2, but I'm inclined to say that it would probably be technically permissible, despite violating the likely intent of the library's creator. But IANAL, IANRMS, etc.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jun 17 23:57:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki payment Message-ID: Hey all, I guess I should send this cause I'm being emaild about it... NO, I have NOT sent out emails with payment instructions I've been totally swamped the past week and this weekend (my turn to be on-call, then my turn to go have fun. PS don't watch Tomb Raider). I'll do my best to get them out tomorrow. Brief description: you'll have to mail me checks, OR pay Andy via PayPall and then he'll mail me checks. Check mailed to me will NOT be deposited until Loki have my CC and have confirmed the order. If anything goes wrong prior to that, I shred the checks. I do NOT place the order with Loki until I have got payment from everyone. Again, hopefully tomorrow, and I apologize to all of you who have been emailing me to ask stuff. -Yaron -- From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jun 18 07:29:20 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin Message-ID: <3B2DF420.DE99CDAA@talkware.net> Does anyone have any links or advice on securing down a box that is going to host people's personal web space with a working cgi-bin for each user. The higher up's want this, so there is no turning it off. So far I am using proftpd with the mod_sql compiled in. This setups up fake users that authenticate via mysql. When the user logs into the ftp server for the first time, proftpd creates there user directory at the location specified in the database under "homedir". This is chrooted so the user can not get back any directories. If the user wants to execute cgi scripts they need to make a cgi-bin directory in there homedir. Apache is set to serve those user directories and to allow scripts in homedirs/*/cgi-bin. That part all works fine. I am just concerned about security. From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 18 08:49:03 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin In-Reply-To: <3B2DF420.DE99CDAA@talkware.net> Message-ID: You could use cgiwrap to execute the cgi as the user owning the webspace instead of the webserver. First thing that comes to mind anyway. http://freshmeat.net/projects/cgiwrap/ Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jun 18 09:19:42 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:49:03AM -0500 References: <3B2DF420.DE99CDAA@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010618161942.H31253@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:49:03AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > You could use cgiwrap to execute the cgi as the user owning the webspace > instead of the webserver. First thing that comes to mind anyway. > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/cgiwrap/ As I understood the first post he doesn't actually have users on the system (proftpd users in sql?) so that wouldn't work. What I would do is probably run the webserver as nobody/nogroup and make sure that nothing is writable by that user/group. If on the other hand he has actual users on the system I would go for suexec that comes with Apache. just my $.02 -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 18 10:13:37 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin In-Reply-To: <20010618161942.H31253@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > As I understood the first post he doesn't actually have users on the > system (proftpd users in sql?) so that wouldn't work. What I would > do is probably run the webserver as nobody/nogroup and make sure that > nothing is writable by that user/group. s/nobody nogroup/httpd httpd/ (or similar). nobody is NOT designed to be used as a generic user. lots of other programs use it (incorrectly). IIRC, it was created to be used for NFS, and NFS only.. you are much safer using a user for the webserver itself. > If on the other hand he has actual users on the system I would go for > suexec that comes with Apache. but of course. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From peter.clark at tides.com Mon Jun 18 10:07:09 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? Message-ID: <200106181530.f5IFUwK22856@sprite.real-time.com> First, thank you Andy for the tip on how to get the sound working. For some reason, the Progeny install didn't catch the on-board audio, but adding modprobe via82cxxx_audio to /etc/modules did the trick. Nice and simple, and the sound really isn't too bad. I'm listening to a CD right now (Beethoven's Piano Sonata #8) and it sounds just fine. So many thanks. Ok, now the fun part. Any suggestions for converting an ext2 root partition to ReiserFS? I've found a way to reinstall Progeny to automatically use ReiserFS, but reinstalling would not be my first choice. As far as I understand matters, I would need to first copy everything to another partition, reformat the first partition, move everything back, then reformat the second partition. I have two ext2 partitions (/ and /usr/local), so that's no problem, but I would prefer step-by-step instructions. Is there any web site out there that describes this? Also, I've heard that ReiserFS has some problems with 2.4.5. Should I just grab the latest 2.4.6-pre? Let me just say that I love this list! You guys and gals are the coolest! :Peter From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jun 18 10:52:35 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:13:37AM -0500 References: <20010618161942.H31253@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010618175234.A33106@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:13:37AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > nobody is NOT designed to be used as a generic user. lots of other > programs use it (incorrectly). IIRC, it was created to be used for NFS, > and NFS only.. you are much safer using a user for the webserver itself. You are very right, I have different users for plain apache, apache with mod_perl, etc. But Apache ships with User nobody by default, which is kind of bad then. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jun 18 10:57:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache, User personal Web Space, And cgi-bin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010618105709.S21645@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010618 08:55]: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/cgiwrap/ No, use suexec built into apache. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I feel unclean. sim From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Jun 18 11:24:06 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: <3B2E2641.255D6CCE@eetc.com> Message-ID: This link might help you feel better: http://public.wsj.com/news/hmc/sb992819157437237260.htm James Spinti jspinti@dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston |Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:04 AM |To: TCLUG |Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore | | |http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html | |...And those who knew the truth cried for they knew the masses were |easily swayed and lead into The Darkness... |:-) | |It was actually painful to read this article. |I don't usually get into this kind of crap but this was just too much |for me. It's disgusting. |I feel unclean. | |sim | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Jun 18 12:11:14 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore Message-ID: Their deceit is revealed. I do feel better. >>> jspinti@dart.dartdist.com 06/18/01 11:24AM >>> This link might help you feel better: http://public.wsj.com/news/hmc/sb992819157437237260.htm From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jun 18 12:15:50 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, James Spinti wrote: > This link might help you feel better: > http://public.wsj.com/news/hmc/sb992819157437237260.htm :-) That is pretty interesting. Microsoft, despite their claims, is using GPL'd software. I don't remember seeing the press release from Microsoft but I saw on Netcraft some time ago that the migration from FreeBSD to IIS was complete. However, Netcraft has also proven in the past that Microsoft has been messing with their apache headers. There was a story on /. about a machine that was running IIS 4.0 on linux According to Netcraft, the server was running Apache but the headers had been changed. Might be the same type of deal here. Anyway, it's all interesting stuff. I still like the line in the June 1 article about how "Goverment should only be funding projects that are available to everyone" in the Mundie's response to government funding of GPL projects. Either Mundie doesn't understand the GPL (not likely) or he wants to make sure that YOU don't understand the GPL (oh, probably). -Brian From andy at theasis.com Mon Jun 18 07:22:49 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > That is pretty interesting. Microsoft, despite their claims, is using > GPL'd software. The article says M$ using FreeBSD. Not GPL. Andy > -Brian From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jun 18 12:30:26 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:22:49AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010618123026.B2973@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:22:49AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > That is pretty interesting. Microsoft, despite their claims, is using > > GPL'd software. > > The article says M$ using FreeBSD. Not GPL. That was my first thought as well, but Brian then went on to talk about forged headers from apache (claiming to be IIS, perhaps?) and a version of IIS 4.0 running on linux. Those are definitely usages of GPLed code, plus there's the possibility that the FreeBSD distribution includes some GPLed utilities or libraries, though I don't know FreeBSD well enough to comment on its actual purity; it could be 100% BSDL code or it could be a mix. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Jun 18 12:34:03 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was a link on http://linuxtoday.com a while ago about M$ running a GPLed webserver w/IPv6 on one of their development servers. Once the info became public, the link disappeared from M$ site. Must have been about 3 weeks ago now. James Spinti jspinti@dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com |Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:41 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] FUD gallore | | |> That is pretty interesting. Microsoft, despite their claims, is using |> GPL'd software. | |The article says M$ using FreeBSD. Not GPL. | |Andy | |> -Brian | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 18 12:36:39 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? References: <200106181530.f5IFUwK22856@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <009a01c0f81d$3bdcccc0$3028680a@tgt.com> I do not believe there is any filesystem conversion utility from ext2 to reiserfs. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? > First, thank you Andy for the tip on how to get the sound working. > For some reason, the Progeny install didn't catch the on-board audio, but > adding modprobe via82cxxx_audio to /etc/modules did the trick. Nice and > simple, and the sound really isn't too bad. I'm listening to a CD right now > (Beethoven's Piano Sonata #8) and it sounds just fine. So many thanks. > Ok, now the fun part. Any suggestions for converting an ext2 root > partition to ReiserFS? I've found a way to reinstall Progeny to > automatically use ReiserFS, but reinstalling would not be my first choice. > As far as I understand matters, I would need to first copy everything to > another partition, reformat the first partition, move everything back, then > reformat the second partition. I have two ext2 partitions (/ and > /usr/local), so that's no problem, but I would prefer step-by-step > instructions. Is there any web site out there that describes this? > Also, I've heard that ReiserFS has some problems with 2.4.5. Should > I just grab the latest 2.4.6-pre? > Let me just say that I love this list! You guys and gals are the > coolest! > :Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter.clark at tides.com Mon Jun 18 13:08:07 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? Message-ID: <200106181830.f5IIUwK28312@sprite.real-time.com> Tom Veldhouse wrote: > I do not believe there is any filesystem conversion utility from ext2 > to reiserfs. Alas, you are right. However, I once read that there is a rather convoluteted way of compiling ReiserFS into the kernel, moving the root partition to another partition, reformating the old partition, moving everything back onto the now Reiser'ed partition, and then doing the same to the second partition. If anyone has the specific steps to doing so, I would be grateful. :Peter From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 18 13:40:36 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? In-Reply-To: <200106181530.f5IFUwK22856@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: There is no way to convert from ext2 to ReiserFS. The easiest way is to start by installing on ReiserFS in the first place. Here is what I did: 3 Hard drives, 1 9gb scsi, 1 4.5 gb scsi, 1 10gb ide. The 9gb is my linux drive, the 10gb ide is windows. the 4.5gb is my /opt drive (loki games, star office, and storage space for cd-images mostly.) /opt wasn't important, so I made it one big partition, mounted the drive to /mnt/new-disk, cd /, and cp -a /bin /boot /dev /etc /initrd /lib /root /sbin /tmp /usr /var, the key is leave out /proc. Leave out /dev if you use devfs, leave out /tmp if you use tmpfs. I ommited home because the 4.5 gb didn't have enough space. Home was tared to my windows drive. rebooted to the 4.5 gb disk, whiped, partitioned, and formatted the 9gb. Repeated the cp command. Rebooted to the 9gb, restored /home, and I was good to go. If you don't have an extra hard drive look into cd-r, tape, or some other form of backup. The most important part will be save /home and anything you customized in /etc. Or just backup those two important things and reinstall. I haven't heard anything about corruption problems, and haven't experienced any. I am happy that I don't have to wait for fsck if something goes wrong and my box locks. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Jun 18 13:42:33 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS on Progeny/Woody? In-Reply-To: <200106181830.f5IIUwK28312@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: You may find the hard disk upgrade mini howto helpful as well: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Jun 18 13:42:22 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lockdsvc connection refused?? Message-ID: <001001c0f826$69aaa290$0ad2e5cf@means.net> I am using Linux Redhat 6.2 . On startup "Starting NFS lockd" fails. I get a message that says "Lockdsvc connection refused". I am very new to Linux, and only know this has to do with the file system. I am using running HTTP & FTP on the box. Does anyone know how I can resolve this? Thank you in advance. Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010618/b431f77a/attachment.htm From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jun 18 14:18:03 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore References: Message-ID: <3B2E53C1.180C536A@eetc.com> ...And as The Darkness is slowly disipated the masses return from wence they came and wait for the next Leader Of FUD..... Yes it does. :-) sim James Spinti wrote: > This link might help you feel better: > http://public.wsj.com/news/hmc/sb992819157437237260.htm From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jun 18 14:33:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, James Spinti wrote: > There was a link on http://linuxtoday.com a while ago about M$ running a > GPLed webserver w/IPv6 on one of their development servers. Once the info > became public, the link disappeared from M$ site. Must have been about 3 > weeks ago now. I was also thinking of this, which is why I said GPL. I think Microsoft has forgotten that while they can fool the induhvidual users into belief that open source is bad, the crowd already using open source software is smarter than they are. While Mundie et al are bashing open source, the developers are busy implementing open source and masking it to look like Microsoft software. I still find it interesting that Hotmail, the internet's largest e-mail provider, is running partly on BSD because Microsoft's own software isn't good enough. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 18 15:26:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPL, NDA, and way too much lawyer stuff Message-ID: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com> If a client requires you to sign a NDA and that agreement says they own "everything" about the project. Including all design, specifications, page layout and -source code- how does the GPL play into this? If I want to use the FSF GNU getopt, which is GPL'd, can I use that in this project? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jun 18 15:43:49 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPL, NDA, and way too much lawyer stuff In-Reply-To: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com> References: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010618154349.6bcd7084.blayer@qwest.net> I'm no lawyer, but that has never stopped me in the past... On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:26:44 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > If a client requires you to sign a NDA and that agreement says they own > "everything" about the project. Including all design, specifications, page > layout and -source code- how does the GPL play into this? It can not apply to the GPL code itself, however the specific methods and reasons for which the code is applied would fall under the definition of the client's intellectual property. This is similar to a design project which uses any proprietary components, such as integrated circuits.. an enterprise might hold IP rights to the design of their electronic device, but not the rights to the chips on the board (which are held by the chip manufacturer). Still, an engineer under an NDA might not be at liberty to divulge that "We used chip A in location B for reason C". > If I want to use the FSF GNU getopt, which is GPL'd, can I use that in this > project? I don't see why not, as long as the GPL is not violated.. If the client wishes to claim IP rights to the GNU getopt code, that is an issue between themselves and the individuals who hold the rights to the getopt code - and it is none of your concern. The catch here, is that if you are being contracted to supply unique, proprietray code to the client, the use of GPL code in it's stead may present a liability for _you_. Does that make much sense? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Jun 18 15:56:29 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lockdsvc connection refused?? In-Reply-To: <001001c0f826$69aaa290$0ad2e5cf@means.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 01:42:22PM -0500 References: <001001c0f826$69aaa290$0ad2e5cf@means.net> Message-ID: <20010618155629.A6914@cyclone.localdomain> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 01:42:22PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using Linux Redhat 6.2 . On startup "Starting NFS lockd" fails. I get a message that says "Lockdsvc connection refused". I am very new to Linux, and only know this has to do with the file system. > > I am using running HTTP & FTP on the box. > > Does anyone know how I can resolve this? > > Thank you in advance. > Well, if you're not mounting NFS shares, or exporting NFS shares, then you can just chkconfig --level 123456 nfslock off To turn lockd off for good, beginning on your next reboot, and then /etc/rc.d/init.d/nfslock stop to turn off lockd. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From florin at iucha.net Mon Jun 18 16:02:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPL, NDA, and way too much lawyer stuff In-Reply-To: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:26:44PM -0500 References: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010618160241.B19450@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:26:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > If a client requires you to sign a NDA and that agreement says they own > "everything" about the project. Including all design, specifications, page > layout and -source code- how does the GPL play into this? > > If I want to use the FSF GNU getopt, which is GPL'd, can I use that in this > project? IANAL B IMHO it's work for hire (it's not that your company builds something and offers it for sale) so you can use GPL code. If your client then distributes the code he has to obey the GPL and offer the source to what is linked against GPL code. If the code is not distributed than nothing happens. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jun 18 16:09:50 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPL, NDA, and way too much lawyer stuff In-Reply-To: <20010618152644.E25825@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010618160950.A1470@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010618 15:28]: > If a client requires you to sign a NDA and that agreement says they own > "everything" about the project. Including all design, specifications, page > layout and -source code- how does the GPL play into this? AFAIK long ranged NDA's cant outweigh pre-existing licensing contracts. Usually wide-subject NDA's are weaker afaik. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Monday 18 June 2001 15:26, you wrote: > If a client requires you to sign a NDA and that agreement says they own > "everything" about the project. Including all design, specifications, page > layout and -source code- how does the GPL play into this? > > If I want to use the FSF GNU getopt, which is GPL'd, can I use that in this > project? From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jun 18 18:27:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair Message-ID: <20010618182741.D20256@real-time.com> We have a 21" monitor here in the office, which seems to be dead. It won't power on consistently.. occasionally it will; but generally not. We have been told (by Surf Computer Services, who formerly did monitor repair), that there isn't any place left in the Twin Cities which repairs monitors. Does anyone know otherwise? Any suggestions on where to get it fixed? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From wilson at visi.com Mon Jun 18 18:48:23 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror site logos Message-ID: Hey everyone, Does anyone know how KDE's Konqueror Web browser comes up with the little logos that appear next to site names in the location box? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Mon Jun 18 19:21:18 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror site logos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's likely using favicon files from the web sites. MS added that as a feature to IE a few revs back. Since it's just an ico file Konquerer must just be reading those. Josh __SIG__ On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Does anyone know how KDE's Konqueror Web browser comes up with the little > logos that appear next to site names in the location box? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 18 19:23:29 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair In-Reply-To: <20010618182741.D20256@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > We have a 21" monitor here in the office, which seems to be dead. > It won't power on consistently.. occasionally it will; but generally not. > > We have been told (by Surf Computer Services, who formerly did monitor > repair), that there isn't any place left in the Twin Cities which repairs > monitors. > > Does anyone know otherwise? Any suggestions on where to get it fixed? What happened to Technoserve? They were a little pricey, but high quality work, and that's *all* they did. I'd try looking them up, first. And they're not far from you guys -- they were in Minnetonka, just up 494 and west on Hwy 7 for a while, IIRC. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 18 19:23:42 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: <20010618123026.B2973@sherohman.org> References: <20010618123026.B2973@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010618192342.47dca81a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:22:49AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > That is pretty interesting. Microsoft, despite their claims, is > > > using GPL'd software. > > > > The article says M$ using FreeBSD. Not GPL. > > That was my first thought as well, but Brian then went on to talk about > forged headers from apache (claiming to be IIS, perhaps?) and a version > of IIS 4.0 running on linux. Those are definitely usages of GPLed code, > plus there's the possibility that the FreeBSD distribution includes some > GPLed utilities or libraries, though I don't know FreeBSD well enough > to comment on its actual purity; it could be 100% BSDL code or it could > be a mix. Um, Apache is under a BSD(-style?) license. OTOH, gcc is quite popular ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Batteries not included. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just to pick nits, CD audio is the easiest thing for a sound card to do. Well, unless you're having the drive extract the digital audio directly off the CD, pipe it digitally through the system, then play it through the sound card. Don't laugh -- OS/2 could do it (I think it was called CDXA or something) and I'm sure it's possible under Linux with the right tools. Anyway, most computer setups have the audio (whether from the analog port or the digital S/P-DIF port) go directly from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card, bypassing the motherboard and CPU. Playing CD audio requires zero CPU time, so it usually sounds good ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Did you sleep well?" / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ "No, I made a couple of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) mistakes." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyon ehave a smallish rescue CD, that can basically mount a couple of ext2 partitions and run lilo? -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 18 19:50:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror site logos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010618195050.1c1d76a8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Joshua Jore wrote: > > > It's likely using favicon files from the web sites. MS added that as a > feature to IE a few revs back. Since it's just an ico file Konquerer > must just be reading those. Yeah, looks like it: What is a Favicon? In Microsoft's Internet Explorer 5.0 and above and Linux's Konqueror Web Browser you can customize the Icon next to your bookmarked web site to be your own customized logo. http://www.favicon.com/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If at first you don't / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ succeed, destroy all \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) evidence that you tried. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010618195605.558106d6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > I don't feel like waiting several hours for a whole CD image to > download, and the debian pseudo-image kit doesn't seem to want to work. > Does anyone have a smallish rescue CD, that can basically mount a couple > of ext2 partitions and run lilo? well, the lnx-bbc should work for that: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ Or one of the other BBC projects: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/others.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I Have To Stop Now, My / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Fingers Are Getting \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Hoarse! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010618/7e08800e/attachment.pgp From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jun 19 08:15:32 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair In-Reply-To: <20010618182741.D20256@real-time.com> References: <20010618182741.D20256@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01061908153203.01062@red.autonomous.tv> > > Does anyone know otherwise? Any suggestions on where to get it fixed? Quality Electronics Curtis Fredrickson 952-471-9360 3412b Shoreline Dr. Navarre,MN 55392 Tell him that Spencer sent you. He is a seasoned veteran when it comes to just such a thing. -Spencer From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 18 20:51:53 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yaron wrote: > I don't feel like waiting several hours for a whole CD image to download, > and the debian pseudo-image kit doesn't seem to want to work. Does anyon > ehave a smallish rescue CD, that can basically mount a couple of ext2 > partitions and run lilo? Um, I can get you tomsrtbt or debian floppy images, if you want. Is that any help? (You can download those quick enough, though, but I'm happy to get in the middle if it makes things easier.) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jwanderson at uswest.net Mon Jun 18 21:31:19 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106190231.f5J2VKK07871@sprite.real-time.com> There is an image of the BBC @ ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/misc_iso/bbc1- 5.iso (47.5 MB, shouldn't take too long...) Jay On 18 Jun 01, at 19:40, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > I went and nuked the MBR on my drive, thinking I'll boot from a rescue CD > and rerun LILO. > > Except, the lilo binary doesn't seem to be in /sbin or anywhere in /usr on > my debian box. I can only mount /, /boo and /usr, since the rest are > reiserfs. There's no floppy drives on my system, and since I'm not in > Linux I have no CD creation tools, but I can burn an ISO. > > I don't feel like waiting several hours for a whole CD image to download, > and the debian pseudo-image kit doesn't seem to want to work. Does anyon > ehave a smallish rescue CD, that can basically mount a couple of ext2 > partitions and run lilo? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jun 18 21:36:48 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FUD gallore In-Reply-To: <20010618192342.47dca81a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:23:42PM -0500 References: <20010618123026.B2973@sherohman.org> <20010618192342.47dca81a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010618213648.A6652@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:23:42PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > That was my first thought as well, but Brian then went on to talk about > > forged headers from apache (claiming to be IIS, perhaps?) and a version > > of IIS 4.0 running on linux. Those are definitely usages of GPLed code, > Um, Apache is under a BSD(-style?) license. *smack* I knew that... Must be lack of sleep. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jun 18 22:28:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Ok, what happened was this. Apparently when I apt-get remove'd exim, debian in it's infinite wisdom decided I don't need lilo, because, if you don't want to run SMTP on your machine you DEFINETLY don't need to BOOT or anything. The BBC image I DLed didn't work cause these PNY discs are crap. What I ended up doing was this: - Boot into rescue from Mandrake 8.0 Beta. - Mount my old / and /boot - mkdir -p /mnt/tmp/var/ - Mount Mandrake CD. - RPM install lilo from Mandrake onto /mnt/tmp (ie, my /) At this point I can run lilo but there's no /boot/boot.b, so I copied that off of Mandrake's lilo package. It all works now! (: AND I've reinstalled LILO (and exim... grrr. I've dpkg'd it out but it seems to reappear...) -Yaron -- From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 01:31:27 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yaron wrote: > It all works now! (: AND I've reinstalled LILO (and exim... grrr. I've > dpkg'd it out but it seems to reappear...) I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to running an SMTP daemon on your box though. Lots of things (especially cron) want an MTA on the local machine, otherwise they don't work right. And if you configure it right, it works pretty nicely, delivering all your cron messages to wherever you want them (local mailbox, mailbox on your normal isp, ...). Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 19 02:33:40 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to running an SMTP daemon on > your box though. Well, for starters, this is my workstation. It doesn't need an MTA for anything. No cron or nothing. Second, I'm not really opposed to having an MTA. It doesn't need to be running or anything for mail to be sendable. I'm opposed to having Exim on my box, because I know nothing about it. If it was qmail, or even sendmail, I'd be fine with it. -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 07:31:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:33:40AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:33:40AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > > > I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to running an SMTP daemon on > > your box though. > > Well, for starters, this is my workstation. It doesn't need an MTA for > anything. No cron or nothing. > > Second, I'm not really opposed to having an MTA. It doesn't need to be > running or anything for mail to be sendable. I'm opposed to having Exim on > my box, because I know nothing about it. If it was qmail, or even > sendmail, I'd be fine with it. Debian/Woody tried to shove exim down my throat too, but I saw that and replaced it with sendmail during the installation. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jun 19 08:30:36 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010619083036.A555@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, what happened was this. Apparently when I apt-get remove'd exim, > debian in it's infinite wisdom decided I don't need lilo, because, if you > don't want to run SMTP on your machine you DEFINETLY don't need to BOOT or > anything. That's really strange. I think I figured out why apt did that, though. Lilo depends on logrotate (to rotate its logs), which depends on mailx (to send mail about rotations jobs), which depends on a mail transport agent (to deliver mail). So its a pain, but it looks like you need to have an MTA installed. Its seems like logrotate should only recommend mailx, since it wouldn't break logrotates core functionality if it couldn't send messages. > It all works now! (: AND I've reinstalled LILO (and exim... grrr. I've > dpkg'd it out but it seems to reappear...) Well, you should be able to install any MTA you want to fill the MTA dependency. So you should be able to apt-get install sendmail (or smail, or whatever). Apt will then remove exim because you can only have one MTA installed at a time. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 19 08:58:43 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 07:31:22AM -0500 References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010619085843.B10390@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 07:31:22AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:33:40AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Second, I'm not really opposed to having an MTA. It doesn't need to be > > running or anything for mail to be sendable. I'm opposed to having Exim on > > my box, because I know nothing about it. If it was qmail, or even > > sendmail, I'd be fine with it. > > Debian/Woody tried to shove exim down my throat too, but I saw that and > replaced it with sendmail during the installation. Shove it down your throat? --- # apt-get install sendmail Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gawk libdb3 libldap2 libsasl7 The following packages will be REMOVED: exim The following NEW packages will be installed: gawk libdb3 libldap2 libsasl7 sendmail 0 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 1 to remove and 254 not upgraded. Need to get 2112kB of archives. After unpacking 4506kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n --- Tell apt you want some other MTA and it's quite happy to remove exim for you. The bigger question, though, is why you hate exim so much. It works well, without qmail's unusual licensing (yes, I know some people think the qmail license is better than GPL/BSD, but that's a completely different holy war) or the legendary horrors of sendmail's configuration. I set exim up by default on my first debian install, got it right the first time, and have been able to easily update it as things have changed since then. I have yet to encounter a problem with it, although I'll admit that I haven't run any mail servers with over... 68 users. (No, I'm not trying to start a flamewar or be an MTA evangelist. If you just prefer another flavor, that's fine, but if exim has any serious problems, I want to know about them.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Jun 19 09:00:33 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email virtual hosting Message-ID: <3B2F5B01.8D094A54@talkware.net> I need some advice. The higher ups want to support virtual domain hosting. They want us to support joe@domain1.com and joe@domain2.com as different mail accounts. What are my options? Sendmail appears to SUCK at supporting this, but this is what we already have installed. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 09:16:28 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010619085843.B10390@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010619091628.C1470@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherohman [010619 09:00]: > The bigger question, though, is why you hate exim so much. It works well, It's not postfix? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010619/db2cbafe/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 09:37:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010619085843.B10390@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:58:43AM -0500 References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <20010619085843.B10390@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010619093715.A17027@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:58:43AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Tell apt you want some other MTA and it's quite happy to remove exim > for you. When I unselected exim with the purpose to select sendmail it showed me that nice "dependency resolver" screen full of all kinds of necessary packages. Being my first debian install that kinda scared me. > The bigger question, though, is why you hate exim so much. It works well, > without qmail's unusual licensing (yes, I know some people think the qmail > license is better than GPL/BSD, but that's a completely different holy > war) or the legendary horrors of sendmail's configuration. I set exim > up by default on my first debian install, got it right the first time, > and have been able to easily update it as things have changed since then. > I have yet to encounter a problem with it, although I'll admit that I > haven't run any mail servers with over... 68 users. > > (No, I'm not trying to start a flamewar or be an MTA evangelist. If you > just prefer another flavor, that's fine, but if exim has any serious > problems, I want to know about them.) Oh, sorry... I don't have any hard feelings about exim at all and I don't want to convince anybody that sendmail is the best thing since uucp :) I just happen to know a little sendmail and not know anything about exim. I tried some time ago to use exim instead of sendmail because I wasnt' able to figure out sendmail envelope masquerading... I wasn't able to figure out exim eigther and then I found a sendmail.mc so... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 19 09:49:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3B2F5B01.8D094A54@talkware.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I need some advice. The higher ups want to support virtual domain > hosting. They want us to support joe@domain1.com and joe@domain2.com as > different mail accounts. What are my options? Sendmail appears to SUCK > at supporting this, but this is what we already have installed. use virtusertable: joe@domain1.com joea@yourmx bob@domain1.com bob@yourmx @domain1.com tim@yourmx joe@domain2.com joeb@yourmx sales@domain2.com joec@yourmx @domain2.com doh@yourmx -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From gary at archdirect.com Tue Jun 19 10:19:15 2001 From: gary at archdirect.com (Gary Turpening) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? References: Message-ID: <3B2F6D73.F75236CF@archdirect.com> > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <20010619085843.B10390@sherohman.org> <20010619093715.A17027@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B2F6E26.DD305F82@archdirect.com> Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gary.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 202 bytes Desc: Card for Gary Turpening Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010619/3a97bde0/gary.vcf From gary at archdirect.com Tue Jun 19 10:22:25 2001 From: gary at archdirect.com (Gary Turpening) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email virtual hosting References: <3B2F5B01.8D094A54@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3B2F6E31.2A073140@archdirect.com> Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The install was very smooth. The sans-serif fonts in Konqueror and Mozilla are quite ugly, however. The headlines on Slashdot, for example, render in a fairly strange font that I know isn't arial or helvetica. Mandrake uses 8.0, but I don't see any problems with it at first glance. Anyone else seen this? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From steveg at transition.com Tue Jun 19 10:32:39 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF54@postman.transition.com> I think H&H Electronics in St. Louis Park fixes monitors. I had a couple of TVs fixed there and I remember seeing that they would repair monitors also. This was a couple of years ago but they are still in business. H&H TV and Electroins 2625 Louisiana Ave South St Louis Park, MN 952 929 1721 -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair We have a 21" monitor here in the office, which seems to be dead. It won't power on consistently.. occasionally it will; but generally not. We have been told (by Surf Computer Services, who formerly did monitor repair), that there isn't any place left in the Twin Cities which repairs monitors. Does anyone know otherwise? Any suggestions on where to get it fixed? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 10:37:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3B2F6E31.2A073140@archdirect.com>; from gary@archdirect.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:22:25AM -0500 References: <3B2F5B01.8D094A54@talkware.net> <3B2F6E31.2A073140@archdirect.com> Message-ID: <20010619103750.B21575@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:22:25AM -0500, Gary Turpening wrote: > > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. Content-Description: Card for Gary Turpening Bob, please remove this poor soul from the list or procmail his messages to /dev/null... I know he should use the web interface but spare him the misery His send button and our del buttons are worn out by now :) florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jun 19 10:37:36 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:17:16AM -0500 References: <20010619083036.A555@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010619103736.A986@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:17:16AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > though. Lilo depends on logrotate (to rotate its logs), > > LILO has logs? What on Earth for? It's completely interactive... Oops, you're right, no logs. It looks like what it is rotating is boot blocks. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 19 10:39:24 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3B2F6E31.2A073140@archdirect.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Gary Turpening wrote: > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. Look, you spammer, insctructions on how to remove yourself are included in every single Email from the list. WHy don't you use them? -Yaron -- From patrick at hamletmachine.com Tue Jun 19 10:49:39 2001 From: patrick at hamletmachine.com (Patrick Knoll) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ugly fonts in w/ Mandrake 8.0 References: Message-ID: <008b01c0f8d7$740b5250$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> I noticed the same thing - but if I set the Text Size in Mozilla to a larger setting, the displayed font is a lot nicer looking. I'm not sure if that works in Konqueror, since I've not used it yet. I have other font size and display problems with Mozilla in MDK, though, most notably with the Mail client. Still trying to sort all that out. =) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:21 Subject: [TCLUG] Ugly fonts in w/ Mandrake 8.0 > Hey everyone, > > I've just put Mandrake 8.0 on a laptop I'm borrowing from school for the > summer . The install was very smooth. The sans-serif fonts > in Konqueror and Mozilla are quite ugly, however. The headlines on Slashdot, > for example, render in a fairly strange font that I know isn't arial or > helvetica. Mandrake uses 8.0, but I don't see any problems with it at first > glance. Anyone else seen this? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 11:55:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <3B2F6D90.BB90AD64@archdirect.com> Message-ID: <20010619115532.G1470@ringworld.org> * Gary Turpening [010619 10:20]: > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. Please, stop flooding the list or I shall be forced to find an admin near you to come and reducate you on how to unsub from a list. RTFM. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Sinclair: "No boom?" Garibaldi: "No boom." Ivanova: "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always a boom tomorrow." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Go here and do it yourself! https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Turpening" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. > From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 12:57:25 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010619083036.A555@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > Its seems like logrotate should only recommend mailx, since it > wouldn't break logrotates core functionality if it couldn't send > messages. Did you file a bug report? 'reportbug' is your friend. :) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 12:58:58 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010619091628.C1470@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Dave Sherohman [010619 09:00]: > > The bigger question, though, is why you hate exim so much. > It's not postfix? :) Postfix, by the way, is the default MTA on Progeny. And postfix rocks. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Jun 19 13:28:48 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape backup question Message-ID: <003501c0f8ed$aee3dbc0$0ad2e5cf@means.net> I see mixed info on whether a parallel port tape drive will work on Linux 6.2. I found a doc at redhat.com/support/alex/229.html that seemed to explain the process of getting it to work. I entered the statement "ln -s /dev/ht0/dev/tape" I know have a red blinking label that says Tape at my root. I can see I am supposed to add the ide-tape.o module, but am not sure how to get this done, or if it will work. Any detailed help would be appreciated. I am using a parallel port Colorado 350 with QIC-80 tapes Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010619/09374b35/attachment.html From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 19 13:44:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD Message-ID: Hey, So, say I have a bunch of mpegs in VCD format. How the heck do you make a VCD under Linux? Just burning the mpeg onto a CD does NOT work (: -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 19 14:02:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Yaron wrote: > So, say I have a bunch of mpegs in VCD format. How the heck do you make a > VCD under Linux? Just burning the mpeg onto a CD does NOT work (: You mean CD-V, as in White Book spec disks? First, you'll need to be sure that your burner supports it. They may; I've never tried. I know my Sony 900e supported it, but didn't have a use. But I also know that not every CD-R burner used to be able to, so that's the first thing to check. Second, you'll need software that can write the right stuff. I do not know if cdrdao or those support it, but you might check Jurg Schilling's page and see if he's done any support for CD-V equipment. To be clear, if not pedantic, if you mean CD-V, it's a different spec than just a CD-R, like a different filesystem if you like, and it may require both hardware and software, but it's neither the first nor last time I could be wrong. :) Sorry I can't tell you more, keep us posted on what you find -- my interest is piqued. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Jun 19 14:03:51 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sourceforge admins? Message-ID: <20010619140351.A2455@knicknack.net> Is anyone out there administering Sourceforge locally? If so, I'd like to hear how much work it was to set up and how much work it is to maintain. Thanks. Eric From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 14:15:38 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:44:28PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010619141538.B22401@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:44:28PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > So, say I have a bunch of mpegs in VCD format. How the heck do you make a > VCD under Linux? Just burning the mpeg onto a CD does NOT work (: > http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/ florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 14:17:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape backup question In-Reply-To: <003501c0f8ed$aee3dbc0$0ad2e5cf@means.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:28:48PM -0500 References: <003501c0f8ed$aee3dbc0$0ad2e5cf@means.net> Message-ID: <20010619141720.C22401@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:28:48PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I see mixed info on whether a parallel port tape drive will work on Linux 6.2. I found a doc at redhat.com/support/alex/229.html that seemed to explain the process of getting it to work. I entered the statement "ln -s /dev/ht0/dev/tape" I know have a red blinking label that says Tape at my root. I can see I am supposed to add the ide-tape.o module, but am not sure how to get this done, or if it will work. Any detailed help would be appreciated. > That doesn't surprise me a bit. You should have typed: ln -s /dev/ht0 /dev/tape Note the space between entries. Nor _CAREFULLY_ do a ls -l /Tape and if does not point to anything remove it. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From zibby at ringworld.org Tue Jun 19 14:17:17 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape backup question In-Reply-To: <003501c0f8ed$aee3dbc0$0ad2e5cf@means.net> Message-ID: Linux 6.2? You out crusing in a time machine again? The current version of Linux is 2.4. If you somehow have version 6.2, I'm sure many developers will be VERY interested in leaping years ahead. If you're confused, remember that RedHat Linux 6.2 != Linux 6.2. RedHat is a distribution of the Linux KERNEL and other software that make it a complete operating system. Linux alone is a kernel, and not all that useful. Anyway, modprobe ide-tape would be a good start. You'll also have to add the parallel port ide modules, but look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/paride.txt (This may be in /usr/doc or /usr/share/doc if you haven't compiled your own kernel, your miliage may very, etc, etc.). It's RedHat, so you should be able to do everything through linuxconf if that kind of thing turns you on. Hope that's helpful. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 19 14:21:56 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: <20010619141538.B22401@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:44:28PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > > > So, say I have a bunch of mpegs in VCD format. How the heck do you make a > > VCD under Linux? Just burning the mpeg onto a CD does NOT work (: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/ Cool! That's what I like about OSS/Linux -- every time I think "no one will have done that yet" someone proves me wrong! :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net Tue Jun 19 14:40:00 2001 From: moomonk at rogue.electricgod.net (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape backup question In-Reply-To: <003501c0f8ed$aee3dbc0$0ad2e5cf@means.net> Message-ID: I'd suggest checking out the parport mailing list. There's a home page at http://www.torque.net/parport/paride. I was redirected to gear.torque.net so if the first doesn't work try the second. Alternatively, just strip off the paride part of the URL for more general parallel port stuff. Here's a list of dependancies for parallel port ide tape: parport -> parport_pc -> paride -> [a protocol] -> pt. In modprobe terms this looks like: modprobe paride modprobe [a protocol] modprobe pt For protocol, you've got a choice between aten, bpck, comm, dstr, epat, epia, fit2, fit3, frpw, friq, kbic, ktti, on20, on26. You could just load all of these and see which one is used when you load pt. The default operation is for the device module (pt, pf, pcd, pd, pg) to loop through all the protocols with a few different ports and see if it finds something. When that happens it msgs to the console and you'll know which protocol to keep. I'm not a parport guru, the other folks on the list are. I do maintain the epat protocol module. Josh __SIG__ On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > I see mixed info on whether a parallel port tape drive will work on Linux 6.2. I found a doc at redhat.com/support/alex/229.html that seemed to explain the process of getting it to work. I entered the statement "ln -s /dev/ht0/dev/tape" I know have a red blinking label that says Tape at my root. I can see I am supposed to add the ide-tape.o module, but am not sure how to get this done, or if it will work. Any detailed help would be appreciated. > > I am using a parallel port Colorado 350 with QIC-80 tapes > > > Raymond > From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Jun 19 14:45:54 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Database question In-Reply-To: <01061912172500.10762@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: Heya folks, I'm looking for a way to grab all the data from a database (running on an ACD call center) into a mysql or postgres database running on a linux system. The call center system is network attached, and it can be accessed via ODBC. Here's the scenario... The call center system is slow. It stores all of its logs/call-detail stuff in an SQL database, and it takes about 20 seconds to do a pretty simple query, hence the desire to pull all the data into a different database running on a dedicated system. The goal is to grab the data files every night and import them into mysql or postgres, and then build a web interface with Zope so that the PHBs can view their reports via the intranet. Some of them like to grab the report and import it into excel so they can further customize their reports themselves for their records. To support that, I'm thinking about generating a tab delimited text file for each report every night that they can download. The formating will be atrocious, but they will be able to get their raw numbers without trying to cut/paste an html document into excel. The web interface also lets us build some predefined queries with some variables that some of the PHBs have been asking us for, giving them a little more control over the reports that they get. Hopefully if I can make this work the way I want it to we won't need to spend our time doing custom reports whenever they want to see something specific that the generic reports don't show very well. Anyway, I know how to do everything except sucking the data out of the call center in one big chunk and importing it into mysql or postgres. I'm thinking I could write something in python to do a query on the call center (select everything from each table) and import the results of the query into the appropriate table in mysql, but my python skills aren't stellar just yet so I'm hoping there's an easier and more direct way that I've overlooked. The data files total about 750 megs on the call center, so I want to grab all the data once, and then every night grab the previous days data. Thanks, Jeff From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 19 14:49:44 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/ > Cool! That's what I like about OSS/Linux -- every time I think "no one > will have done that yet" someone proves me wrong! :) And it works, too!!! I'm watching Hitchhiker's Guide ot the Galaxy on the DVD player right now! Hehe. Thanks Florin! -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 19 14:58:03 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Database question In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:45:54PM -0500 References: <01061912172500.10762@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: <20010619145803.E22401@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:45:54PM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Heya folks, > > I'm looking for a way to grab all the data from a database (running on an > ACD call center) into a mysql or postgres database running on a linux > system. The call center system is network attached, and it can be > accessed via ODBC. > > Here's the scenario... > > The call center system is slow. It stores all of its logs/call-detail > stuff in an SQL database, and it takes about 20 seconds to do a pretty > simple query, hence the desire to pull all the data into a different > database running on a dedicated system. > > The goal is to grab the data files every night and import them into mysql > or postgres, and then build a web interface with Zope so that the PHBs can > view their reports via the intranet. Some of them like to grab the report > and import it into excel so they can further customize their reports > themselves for their records. To support that, I'm thinking about > generating a tab delimited text file for each report every night that they > can download. The formating will be atrocious, but they will be able to > get their raw numbers without trying to cut/paste an html document into > excel. > > The web interface also lets us build some predefined queries with some > variables that some of the PHBs have been asking us for, giving them a > little more control over the reports that they get. Hopefully if I can > make this work the way I want it to we won't need to spend our time doing > custom reports whenever they want to see something specific that the > generic reports don't show very well. > > Anyway, I know how to do everything except sucking the data out of the > call center in one big chunk and importing it into mysql or postgres. > I'm thinking I could write something in python to do a query on the call > center (select everything from each table) and import the results of the > query into the appropriate table in mysql, but my python skills aren't > stellar just yet so I'm hoping there's an easier and more direct way that > I've overlooked. > > The data files total about 750 megs on the call center, so I want to grab > all the data once, and then every night grab the previous days data. If you say the current database server is slow, my suggestion is to dump the data in text files and move them over to the linux box. Over there you could use a little bit of perl magick (tm) to put them in the database. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 19 15:07:58 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/ > > Cool! That's what I like about OSS/Linux -- every time I think "no one > > will have done that yet" someone proves me wrong! :) > > And it works, too!!! I'm watching Hitchhiker's Guide ot the Galaxy on the > DVD player right now! Hehe. Thanks Florin! What burner and what DVD player? I wanna try this too, now. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 19 15:17:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > And it works, too!!! I'm watching Hitchhiker's Guide ot the Galaxy on the > > DVD player right now! Hehe. Thanks Florin! > > What burner and what DVD player? I wanna try this too, now. Heck, where can I get the mpg? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 19 15:32:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Yaron wrote: > And it works, too!!! I'm watching Hitchhiker's Guide ot the Galaxy on the > DVD player right now! Hehe. Thanks Florin! With VCD, it's MPEG1 so you're limited to 74 minutes, am I right? -Brian From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 19 15:39:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > What burner and what DVD player? I wanna try this too, now. It's an old Plextor Plexwrite 8/20... I think it might be dying, as I'm able to burn a few CDs and then I get nothing but faliures till I reboot. The DVD player is an APEX AD-600A. Yes, secret menu and all. I have been able to play the VCD off a regular CDROM using MpegTV and Xine, too. -Yaron -- From gary at archdirect.com Tue Jun 19 16:07:38 2001 From: gary at archdirect.com (Gary Turpening) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <3B2F6DB1.C7E003EA@archdirect.com> <009901c0f8e3$c44d9fa0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B2FBF1A.D9E959C5@archdirect.com> Please take me off your e-mail list. Thahks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gary.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 202 bytes Desc: Card for Gary Turpening Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010619/4b350814/gary.vcf From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jun 19 16:26:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <3B2FBF1A.D9E959C5@archdirect.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Gary Turpening wrote: > Please take me off your e-mail list. Thahks. With all the heckling from the list members, you STILL haven't figured it out? There's instructions on the bottom of every TCLUG message on how to do such a thing. I repeat, RTFM. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jun 19 16:32:11 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 04:26:55PM -0500 References: <3B2FBF1A.D9E959C5@archdirect.com> Message-ID: <20010619163211.M10390@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 04:26:55PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Gary Turpening wrote: > > > Please take me off your e-mail list. Thahks. > > With all the heckling from the list members, you STILL haven't figured it > out? There's instructions on the bottom of every TCLUG message on how to > do such a thing. > > I repeat, RTFM. He's ignoring us. I sent a note off-list and got a message back with the subject "auto-reply" and no body. Draw your own conclusions... -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From joel at luths.net Tue Jun 19 16:43:05 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Database question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992986985.3b2fc76994ee9@www.luths.net> To not answer your question- You might also consider giving them (read-only) access to the MySQL database via ODBC, that way Excel could pull data for processing as a database client. Saves a few steps in downloading and importing delimited text files. I've only done this a bit with Excel, but it works well for using Access as a front end to MySQL. I assume PostgreSQL also has an ODBC driver. Quoting jeffr@odeon.net: > > Heya folks, > > I'm looking for a way to grab all the data from a database (running on > an > ACD call center) into a mysql or postgres database running on a linux > system. The call center system is network attached, and it can be > accessed via ODBC. > > Here's the scenario... > > The call center system is slow. It stores all of its logs/call-detail > stuff in an SQL database, and it takes about 20 seconds to do a pretty > simple query, hence the desire to pull all the data into a different > database running on a dedicated system. > > The goal is to grab the data files every night and import them into > mysql > or postgres, and then build a web interface with Zope so that the PHBs > can > view their reports via the intranet. Some of them like to grab the > report > and import it into excel so they can further customize their reports > themselves for their records. To support that, I'm thinking about > generating a tab delimited text file for each report every night that > they > can download. The formating will be atrocious, but they will be able to > get their raw numbers without trying to cut/paste an html document into > excel. > > The web interface also lets us build some predefined queries with some > variables that some of the PHBs have been asking us for, giving them a > little more control over the reports that they get. Hopefully if I can > make this work the way I want it to we won't need to spend our time > doing > custom reports whenever they want to see something specific that the > generic reports don't show very well. > > Anyway, I know how to do everything except sucking the data out of the > call center in one big chunk and importing it into mysql or postgres. > I'm thinking I could write something in python to do a query on the call > center (select everything from each table) and import the results of the > query into the appropriate table in mysql, but my python skills aren't > stellar just yet so I'm hoping there's an easier and more direct way > that > I've overlooked. > > The data files total about 750 megs on the call center, so I want to > grab > all the data once, and then every night grab the previous days data. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Jun 19 17:10:06 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Database question In-Reply-To: <992986985.3b2fc76994ee9@www.luths.net> Message-ID: Now that's an excellent idea. I've toyed with Access and mysql like this a bit, but for some reason it didn't click that excel could be used in this way also. Thanks, Jeff On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > To not answer your question- > > You might also consider giving them (read-only) access to the MySQL database > via ODBC, that way Excel could pull data for processing as a database client. > Saves a few steps in downloading and importing delimited text files. I've only > done this a bit with Excel, but it works well for using Access as a front end > to MySQL. I assume PostgreSQL also has an ODBC driver. > > Quoting jeffr@odeon.net: > [snip] From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 19 18:01:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sourceforge admins? In-Reply-To: <20010619140351.A2455@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:03:51PM -0500 References: <20010619140351.A2455@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20010619180143.M4689@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Stanley (barnabas@knicknack.net): > Is anyone out there administering Sourceforge locally? If so, I'd > like to hear how much work it was to set up and how much work it is to > maintain. Thanks. Ton of work. Even more then a ton to setup. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From barry at pinenet.com Tue Jun 19 18:51:28 2001 From: barry at pinenet.com (Barry T. White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <3B2F6DB1.C7E003EA@archdirect.com> <009901c0f8e3$c44d9fa0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <004f01c0f91a$c2c91d80$01f7a8c0@monster> It's nice to see someone with the patience to help out, without insulting the person asking, YOU JERK! I must be an idiot too, because I've been tring to get off this list for a couple months and was not aware of the web page. I just used it to unsubscibe, but it remains to be seen whether it will work or not. For people like me, who signed up at the beginning, the information on changing subscriptions isn't the same as it used to be. Instead of calling people idiots, it would be nice to get a message with this info (maybe monthly?) like other listserv's I've seen do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > You are an idiot, or are you just lazy? > > Go here and do it yourself! > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Turpening" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > > > > > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 19 22:08:38 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory question Message-ID: Is there a way to determine if the DIMMS in a machine are registered or not without looking at the DIMMS? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From rpl at flashcom.net Tue Jun 19 22:21:27 2001 From: rpl at flashcom.net (bob) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem Message-ID: <003901c0f938$1815f1b0$3564a8c0@csi.net> I have a Qwest DSL line with an Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem that I would like to connect to a Linux box.. has anyone done this? would kernel 2.4 ( RedHat v7.1) support USB and is there a driver for the USB DSL modem? anyone have any suggestions ?? TIA bob From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 19 22:36:46 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem References: <003901c0f938$1815f1b0$3564a8c0@csi.net> Message-ID: <3B301A4E.C8F52300@haxxed.com> bob wrote: > > I have a Qwest DSL line with an Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem that > I would like to connect to a Linux box.. > > has anyone done this? would kernel 2.4 ( RedHat v7.1) support USB and is > there a driver for the USB DSL modem? > > anyone have any suggestions ?? No chance. Make them give you a Cisco 678. From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 20 00:13:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKI order Message-ID: Hey all, I am just waiting for an update from Loki before I send out the Emails to everyone. Hopefully tomorrow. -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 20 08:23:37 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <3B2F6DB1.C7E003EA@archdirect.com> <009901c0f8e3$c44d9fa0$3028680a@tgt.com> <004f01c0f91a$c2c91d80$01f7a8c0@monster> Message-ID: <007801c0f98c$376382e0$3028680a@tgt.com> The link is at the bottom of EVERY email sent from the list tells you how to unsubscribe. Two seconds of work to figure that out. Also, many of us tried responding to this character directly, but instead he has some obnoxious autoreponder set up to basically say "I am ignoring you while mailbombing your list". So, yes, that person is an idiot and deserves the label. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry T. White" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > It's nice to see someone with the patience to help out, without insulting > the person asking, YOU JERK! I must be an idiot too, because I've been tring > to get off this list for a couple months and was not aware of the web page. > I just used it to unsubscibe, but it remains to be seen whether it will work > or not. For people like me, who signed up at the beginning, the information > on changing subscriptions isn't the same as it used to be. > > Instead of calling people idiots, it would be nice to get a message with > this info (maybe monthly?) like other listserv's I've seen do it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > > > > You are an idiot, or are you just lazy? > > > > Go here and do it yourself! > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Turpening" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? > > > > > > > > Please remove me from you e-mail list. Thanks. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jun 20 09:00:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem Message-ID: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280941@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Are you sure it won't work? I know the Richochet usb wireless device uses the standard USB modem interface. I wonder if maybe the intel modem does also... Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem > > > bob wrote: > > > > I have a Qwest DSL line with an Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 > external USB modem that > > I would like to connect to a Linux box.. > > > > has anyone done this? would kernel 2.4 ( RedHat v7.1) > support USB and is > > there a driver for the USB DSL modem? > > > > anyone have any suggestions ?? > > No chance. Make them give you a Cisco 678. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 20 09:20:07 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem In-Reply-To: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280941@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:06AM -0500 References: <28D1CF406CFFEE4AA7020463DE52B1A6280941@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010620092007.A29149@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:06AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Are you sure it won't work? I know the Richochet usb wireless device uses > the standard USB modem interface. I wonder if maybe the intel modem does > also... Do you remember the i740 "AGP" graphics boards that worked only on Intel motherboards? AGP, USB are Intel "standards". florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 20 09:21:16 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <007801c0f98c$376382e0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0500 References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <3B2F6DB1.C7E003EA@archdirect.com> <009901c0f8e3$c44d9fa0$3028680a@tgt.com> <004f01c0f91a$c2c91d80$01f7a8c0@monster> <007801c0f98c$376382e0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010620092116.A4086@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > The link is at the bottom of EVERY email sent from the list tells you how to > unsubscribe. Two seconds of work to figure that out. Also, many of us > tried responding to this character directly, but instead he has some > obnoxious autoreponder set up to basically say "I am ignoring you while > mailbombing your list". So, yes, that person is an idiot and deserves the > label. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Well, since this seems to be an ongoing problem, maybe the footer should be a little more clear. The footer doesn't have the word unsubscribe in it anywhere. Maybe something like: _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list - tclug-list@mn-linux.org To unsubscribe from this list see the web page: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 09:21:37 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux Message-ID: <3B30B171.1178F59E@qwest.net> I just became the dubious owner of 3 Apple Macintosh Performa 467's and I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any luck using these. The hardware is listed as supported for linuxppc, mklinux or linux-m68k but I am willing to sacrifice an Apple to the linux gods. Any suggestions? From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 20 09:43:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <20010620092116.A4086@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:21:16AM -0500 References: <20010619073122.B23437@beaver.iucha.org> <3B2F6DB1.C7E003EA@archdirect.com> <009901c0f8e3$c44d9fa0$3028680a@tgt.com> <004f01c0f91a$c2c91d80$01f7a8c0@monster> <007801c0f98c$376382e0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010620092116.A4086@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010620094341.C29149@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:21:16AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > The link is at the bottom of EVERY email sent from the list tells you how to > > unsubscribe. Two seconds of work to figure that out. Also, many of us > > tried responding to this character directly, but instead he has some > > obnoxious autoreponder set up to basically say "I am ignoring you while > > mailbombing your list". So, yes, that person is an idiot and deserves the > > label. > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Well, since this seems to be an ongoing problem, maybe the footer should > be a little more clear. The footer doesn't have the word unsubscribe > in it anywhere. Maybe something like: > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list - tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To unsubscribe from this list see the web page: > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list And while we are at it why not add more stuff to the footer? Let's make it: _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list - tclug-list@mn-linux.org To unsubscribe from this list see the web page: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list To resubscribe to this list see the web page again: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list To spam this list send mail asking everybody to unsubscribe you. Once again, to unsubscribe visit us at: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is silly... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 09:51:14 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux In-Reply-To: <3B30B171.1178F59E@qwest.net> References: <3B30B171.1178F59E@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010620095114.38280fc8.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:21:37 -0500 "Spencer J Sinn" wrote: > I just became the dubious owner of 3 Apple Macintosh Performa 467's and > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any luck using these. The > hardware is listed as supported for linuxppc, mklinux or linux-m68k but > I am willing to sacrifice an Apple to the linux gods. Any suggestions? Hmm... I'm not sure that the model 'Performa 467' exists, are you sure these are not Performa 476s? The Performa 476 is a machine based on a 25MHz 68LC040 cpu. The 68LC040 is an FPU-less chip, and was unsupported under earlier releases of Mac68k Linux & NetBSD. Recently however, they seem to have gotten the fpu emulation working for these models. Certain 68LC040 models however, can never run *nix, as there is a 'broken' version of the chip which does not allow for fpu emulation - if you cannot run SoftwareFPU under MacOS, the chip is broken and won't run *nix. Replace the chip with a full 68040, or a non-broken 68LC040. One nice feature that sets the Performa475, 476, LC475 and Quadra 605 apart from all other models, is the ability to overclock these machines without the usual clockchip replacement. It's a simple matter of adding a switch and a couple of resistors, and the machine can be toggled between 25 & 33Mhz. This actually increases the bus speed, not just the cpu, so the performance gain is system-wide (including SCSI interface speed). It's also a plug-in upgrade to add a full 68040, which gives the machine a true hardware FPU. One issue that you may encounter is getting a working NIC for these machines. They all use the proprietary Apple LC-PDS NIC, or one of the aftermarket clones. Unfortunately, not all of the LC-PDS NICs are supported in Linux; you'll just have to try booting a kernel and see if the NIC is registered and assigned an interface. All of the 8390 based NICs work (aka NE2000), as do the genuine Apple NICs. Some NICs from Dayna do not work. The best Linux route for these machines is Debian Mac68k Linux, which can be downloaded from the Debian site. I'd suggest you join the debian-68k@lists.debian.org mailing list, as the system is still under development, and new kernels are frequently released to the list. Finally, my webserver for the past year has been an overclocked LC475, with a full 68040. It's rock-solid stable, and has never needed a reboot. Current uptime is: 8:47am up 47 days, 11:39, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 Hope this helps, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From richard at elsberry-web.com Wed Jun 20 10:06:23 2001 From: richard at elsberry-web.com (Richard Elsberry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem References: <200106201425.f5KEPVK22946@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B30BBEF.68012C01@elsberry-web.com> > Jay, in case you hit a wall the intel modem, I had qwest send me a Cisco 675 box and had absolutely no problems connecting via RH6.2 Richard > > Are you sure it won't work? I know the Richochet usb wireless device uses > the standard USB modem interface. I wonder if maybe the intel modem does > also... > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:37 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem > > > > > > bob wrote: > > > > > > I have a Qwest DSL line with an Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 > > external USB modem that > > > I would like to connect to a Linux box.. > > > > > > has anyone done this? would kernel 2.4 ( RedHat v7.1) > > support USB and is > > > there a driver for the USB DSL modem? > > > > > > anyone have any suggestions ?? > > > > No chance. Make them give you a Cisco 678. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:20:07 -0500 > From: "Florin Iucha" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:06AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Are you sure it won't work? I know the Richochet usb wireless device uses > > the standard USB modem interface. I wonder if maybe the intel modem does > > also... > > Do you remember the i740 "AGP" graphics boards that worked only on Intel > motherboards? AGP, USB are Intel "standards". > > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > --__--__-- > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jun 20 10:17:25 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux Message-ID: Bill, I will be receiving a Performa 475 in a month or so and I have a couple questions: >>> blayer@qwest.net 06/20/01 09:51AM >>> >One nice feature that sets the Performa475, 476, LC475 and Quadra 605 >apart from all other models, is the ability to overclock these machines >without the usual clockchip replacement. It's a simple matter of adding a >switch and a couple of resistors, and the machine can be toggled between >It's also a plug-in upgrade to add a full 68040, which gives the machine a true >hardware FPU. Where would one find a full 68040? How much can they be gotten for? >One issue that you may encounter is getting a working NIC for these >machines. They all use the proprietary Apple LC-PDS NIC, or one of the >aftermarket clones. Unfortunately, not all of the LC-PDS NICs are >supported in Linux; you'll just have to try booting a kernel and see if >the NIC is registered and assigned an interface. All of the 8390 based >NICs work (aka NE2000), as do the genuine Apple NICs. Some NICs from Dayna >do not work. Where could you find one of the 8390 or Apple NICs? How much? >The best Linux route for these machines is Debian Mac68k Linux, which can >be downloaded from the Debian site. I'd suggest you join the >debian-68k@lists.debian.org mailing list, as the system is still under >development, and new kernels are frequently released to the list. Cool! Thanks Bill, this is interesting stuff. I was planning on making this machine into a play thing for my son (17 months, but _loves_ to bang on the keyboard and move the mouse). I may consider using an old x86 machine for this task instead... Have a great day, Troy From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 20 10:29:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Jun 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > Is there a way to determine if the DIMMS in a machine are registered or not > without looking at the DIMMS? Have you tried looking up the motherboard and/or chipset? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jun 20 11:11:51 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux References: Message-ID: <3B30CB38.FB12F6C0@eetc.com> "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Cool! Thanks Bill, this is interesting stuff. I was planning on making this > machine into a play thing for my son (17 months, but _loves_ to bang on > the keyboard and move the mouse). I may consider using an old x86 machine > for this task instead... Try out Babysmash. It locks the machine until a special key command is used. It displays random objects on the screen in various colors. Pretty cool. The key command would be very hard to press acidentally. Works on all MacOS's as far as I know. Been a while since I've used it though. Just a thought sim From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Wed Jun 20 10:50:47 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux, Intel PRO/ DSL 3200 external USB modem References: <200106201425.f5KEPWK22952@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B30C657.43CC47BF@steinerpoint.com> Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:06AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Are you sure it won't work? I know the Richochet usb wireless device uses > > the standard USB modem interface. I wonder if maybe the intel modem does > > also... > > Do you remember the i740 "AGP" graphics boards that worked only on Intel > motherboards? AGP, USB are Intel "standards". I bet the Intel modem conforms (close enough) to USB specs, but it still may need a special driver for Linux. The USB spec says how USB devices behave and how data is transfered on the USB bus, but it does not necessarily say what the data means. Its a physical and data link layer spec, but individual devices use a layer above that that may be device specific. Some modems also follow the ACM spec that describes the next layer protocol for modems. For any modem that conforms you can use the Linux ACM driver. But other modems, TAs, serial devices, and so on use proprietary protocols, so you need a driver specifically for each of those devices. The first place to look is at www.linux-usb.org under the supported devices link. I did not see the Intel Pro 3200 listed, so it is probably not supported. Next you could check the linux-usb-users mailing list archive, or test it out yourself. But the Cisco 678 (if it is anything like my 675) should work without problem. It talks to your machine over an Ethernet connection using TCP/IP/Ethernet protocols, all supported by Linux (provided your Ethernet card has a Linux driver--most do). -- Al From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jun 20 11:34:38 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux Message-ID: An excellent thought! Thanks! >>> simeonuj@eetc.com 06/20/01 11:11AM >>> "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: Try out Babysmash. It locks the machine until a special key command is used. It displays random objects on the screen in various colors. Pretty cool. The key command would be very hard to press acidentally. Works on all MacOS's as far as I know. Been a while since I've used it though. Just a thought From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 20 11:49:13 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo Message-ID: Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on its own? The only info I can find is for ATX power supplies (which is as simple as jumpering two pins together with a paper clip) but nothing on AT power supplies. Anyone have any idea how to accomplish this? And yes, I know they say not to do it because you may damage your power supply, but I have an overstock of these 145 watt units so I don't care if I destroy a few trying :-) -Brian From slinabery at worldcycling.com Wed Jun 20 11:53:36 2001 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding Message-ID: <3B30D510.1B61DA96@worldcycling.com> Hi, I have a dedicated DSL line with a block of static IPs. A few of my RedHat boxes are on public IP addresses, and one is a gateway for the LAN which consists of mostly Windows boxes with a few Linux development boxes. IP Masquerading is working fine. What I need to do is have one of the public IP boxes communicate with one of the internal LAN boxes. I'd like to be able to run code on the public box that would request a connection on, say, port 80 on the gateway box, which would be forwarded to the internal LAN box running a Java program that would serve certain files to the public box. I've tried using the ipmasqadm program with no success. RedHat 7.1 supposedly is preconfigured for IP Masquerading. When I add the lines /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -f /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $public_ip_address 80 -R 192.168.1.41 80 to /etc/rc.d/local and run it, I get portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument Various HowTos suggest I need to recompile my kernel. I would prefer to avoid this if possible. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Linabery World Cycling Productions slinabery@worldcycling.com From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Jun 20 11:53:26 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Try out Babysmash. http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,MC11085,.html Ok, why do I wish I had a mac to try this out on? :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From ryanb at rydian.com Wed Jun 20 12:06:42 2001 From: ryanb at rydian.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo References: Message-ID: <006f01c0f9ab$6bfa1810$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> An AT powersupply should be able to run without being hooked up to anything other than a power source, then you should just have to hit the switch. Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo > Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really > like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to > attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on > its own? > > The only info I can find is for ATX power supplies (which is as simple as > jumpering two pins together with a paper clip) but nothing on AT power > supplies. Anyone have any idea how to accomplish this? > > And yes, I know they say not to do it because you may damage your power > supply, but I have an overstock of these 145 watt units so I don't care if > I destroy a few trying :-) > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 20 12:15:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: <006f01c0f9ab$6bfa1810$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ryan Bethke wrote: > An AT powersupply should be able to run without being hooked up to anything > other than a power source, then you should just have to hit the switch. > > Ryan Not true. Every AT supply I've seen requires a mobo to be attached. -Brian From ben at nerp.net Wed Jun 20 12:17:44 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- there are some supplies that don't like to power up unless there is something attached.. sometimes sticking a small 5v and 12v light bulb on some of the motherboard output lines can do the trick. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really > like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to > attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on > its own? > > The only info I can find is for ATX power supplies (which is as simple as > jumpering two pins together with a paper clip) but nothing on AT power > supplies. Anyone have any idea how to accomplish this? > > And yes, I know they say not to do it because you may damage your power > supply, but I have an overstock of these 145 watt units so I don't care if > I destroy a few trying :-) > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOzDaustpDhsSpvgtAQG40AP+I9MRk9NCuRp7+qNWYSujDlIrq1ecqbUd gfeeP3SILHHUPTt1jSzGwbbZL+DkhhyRJ7AH1j5FvCxk3EFqTJ6ju+YiZgfqv+TU phInDSuqa/7Mx5ZB/LQHWGznZLDBTd1UIheKrV3drGVfFjrGPMKNv5Ln67Gi9pKW sKB3bzyPcFI= =1Irm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Jun 20 12:19:18 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding Message-ID: <200106201719.MAA05501@www7.mail.umn.edu> Hi, Steve. I just went through all this a little bit ago. It's not as confusing as it seems right now. On or about 20 Jun 2001, Steve Linabery is alleged to have said: > IP Masquerading is working fine. > > What I need to do is have one of the public IP boxes communicate with > one of the internal LAN boxes. I'd like to be able to run code on the > public box that would request a connection on, say, port 80 on the > gateway box, which would be forwarded to the internal LAN box running a > Java program that would serve certain files to the public box. > > I've tried using the ipmasqadm program with no success. RedHat 7.1 > supposedly is preconfigured for IP Masquerading. > > When I add the lines > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -f > /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $public_ip_address 80 -R > 192.168.1.41 80 That looks OK, but what does your ipchain look like? I presume you're in a 2.2 kernel (I'm not a RedHat guru). You will also need something like /usr/sbin/ipchains -A forward -p tcp -s 0/0 1024: -d $local_ip_address 80 -j MASQ somewhere (rc.d/local, or rc.firewall, -- I don't know what's considered the best place to put it.) This allows the firewall to send packets to the forwarder. >/etc/rc.d/local and run it, I get > > portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument > portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument I'm not sure why -- you might want to do an lsmod and send it to the list if necessary to confirm that you have all the appropriate modules loaded. > Various HowTos suggest I need to recompile my kernel. I would prefer to > avoid this if possible. If you're running a stock recent kernel, I don't think this will be necessary. You almost certainly don't need to recompile modules either, but again, I'm not the expert. But I know how to get portfw working now. :) From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 20 12:20:39 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <993057639.3b30db67471d0@dragon> Hello, Quoting Brian : > Not true. Every AT supply I've seen requires a mobo to be attached. I have to agree with Ryan. No AT power supply I've ever seen cared what was attached to it. Out of curiosity, what are you trying to power? -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 12:22:51 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010620122251.31844e10.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:49:13 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really > like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to > attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on > its own? You don't want to run an AT style supply without a load, as I am told that they are unable to properly regualte when unloaded, and output voltages can climb high enough to kill the supply. This is what I am told, I do not have first-hand experience - but I do have colleagues who have blown supplies by powering up with no load. The fix is simple, just add some fixed load value at each output, enough to keep the supply in regulation... Like perhaps a 50 Ohm, 10W resistor on the 12 V supplies, and a 25 Ohm, 5W resistor on the 5V supplies. These values should pull 200-250mA per supply. Seems like it should be fine to me... maybe even a magnitude less current is acceptable, like 20-25mA. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 12:29:55 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010620122955.578872a2.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:17:25 -0500 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Bill, > > I will be receiving a Performa 475 in a month or so and I have a > couple questions: > Where would one find a full 68040? How much can they be gotten for? You can get one on eBay for between $8 and $15 or so.. but you might just want to contact Olde Mac Milt (he's a regular eBay seller) and ask his best price for a LUG group member.. he's usually quite fair. I paid $12 including shipping for mine, from an auction. By the way, just buy the 25MHz part, don't spend the extra $$ for the 33MHz - as far as any of us can tell, they are the same. Just make sure that if you do the overclocking bit, you add a heatsink to the CPU. A 68040 at 33MHz with a 486 heatsink runs cooler than a 68040 at 25MHz bare. I attached mine with a thin smear of JB Weld. > Where could you find one of the 8390 or Apple NICs? How much? Once again eBay, but I know that Junkyard Jeff (http://www.users.qwest.net/~jgarbacz/) has a number of Apple & Asante LC-PDS NICs for cheap... if you decide to buy one, let me know, I'll take one too and we can split the shipping. Jeff always has some cool stuff, and his prices are fair. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Jun 20 12:34:53 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo Message-ID: <200106201734.MAA05800@www7.mail.umn.edu> Look, it's just a switching mode power supply. There's no magic about attaching a motherboard. The reason Ben's trick below works is because sometimes they cross couple the current limiting / protection circuitry. Some chips that require both +5 and +/-12 will die if one rail dies, so the conservative P.S. designer will kill the whole supply rather than let one rail stay up and kill chips. An incandescent bulb is a bad choice, though, because they are usually 1A bulbs, and you're probably drawing a lot more current than you need to keep the supply on (and making heat, and reducing the available power you have at your disposal before you eat a fuse.) Probably a 1k resistor is more than sufficient. If you can, get a potentiometer, and find the minimum value that keeps the supply alive and then add 15-20%, and there you go. 15 minutes with a voltmeter, and you'll have a bunch of wimpy but utile bench supplies! Phil Mendelsohn On or about 20 Jun 2001, Ben Kochie is alleged to have said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > there are some supplies that don't like to power up unless there is > something attached.. sometimes sticking a small 5v and 12v light bulb on > some of the motherboard output lines can do the trick. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > > > Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really > > like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to > > attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on > > its own? > > > > The only info I can find is for ATX power supplies (which is as simple as > > jumpering two pins together with a paper clip) but nothing on AT power > > supplies. Anyone have any idea how to accomplish this? > > > > And yes, I know they say not to do it because you may damage your power > > supply, but I have an overstock of these 145 watt units so I don't care if > > I destroy a few trying :-) > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOzDaustpDhsSpvgtAQG40AP+I9MRk9NCuRp7+qNWYSujDlIrq1ecqbUd > gfeeP3SILHHUPTt1jSzGwbbZL+DkhhyRJ7AH1j5FvCxk3EFqTJ6ju+YiZgfqv+TU > phInDSuqa/7Mx5ZB/LQHWGznZLDBTd1UIheKrV3drGVfFjrGPMKNv5Ln67Gi9pKW > sKB3bzyPcFI= > =1Irm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --Begin signature-- X ---End signature--- From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 20 12:38:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Brian wrote: > Here at work we often have to scrap old non-booting systems. I'd really > like a nice 12 volt power supply at my desk but I don't want to have to > attach a mobo to it. Is there any way to get the power supply to run on > its own? > > The only info I can find is for ATX power supplies (which is as simple as > jumpering two pins together with a paper clip) but nothing on AT power > supplies. Anyone have any idea how to accomplish this? > > And yes, I know they say not to do it because you may damage your power > supply, but I have an overstock of these 145 watt units so I don't care if > I destroy a few trying :-) On most of the AT power supplies I've used, they work even w/o a MB. Have you tried it? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 12:44:55 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux References: <3B30B171.1178F59E@qwest.net> <20010620095114.38280fc8.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B30E117.2E230F2A@qwest.net> Bill Layer wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:21:37 -0500 > "Spencer J Sinn" wrote: > > > I just became the dubious owner of 3 Apple Macintosh Performa 467's and > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any luck using these. The > > hardware is listed as supported for linuxppc, mklinux or linux-m68k but > > I am willing to sacrifice an Apple to the linux gods. Any suggestions? > > Hmm... I'm not sure that the model 'Performa 467' exists, are you sure > these are not Performa 476s? > > The Performa 476 is a machine based on a 25MHz 68LC040 cpu. The 68LC040 is > an FPU-less chip, and was unsupported under earlier releases of Mac68k > Linux & NetBSD. Recently however, they seem to have gotten the fpu > emulation working for these models. Certain 68LC040 models however, can > never run *nix, as there is a 'broken' version of the chip which does not > allow for fpu emulation - if you cannot run SoftwareFPU under MacOS, the > chip is broken and won't run *nix. Replace the chip with a full 68040, or > a non-broken 68LC040. > > One nice feature that sets the Performa475, 476, LC475 and Quadra 605 > apart from all other models, is the ability to overclock these machines > without the usual clockchip replacement. It's a simple matter of adding a > switch and a couple of resistors, and the machine can be toggled between > 25 & 33Mhz. This actually increases the bus speed, not just the cpu, so > the performance gain is system-wide (including SCSI interface speed). It's > also a plug-in upgrade to add a full 68040, which gives the machine a true > hardware FPU. > > One issue that you may encounter is getting a working NIC for these > machines. They all use the proprietary Apple LC-PDS NIC, or one of the > aftermarket clones. Unfortunately, not all of the LC-PDS NICs are > supported in Linux; you'll just have to try booting a kernel and see if > the NIC is registered and assigned an interface. All of the 8390 based > NICs work (aka NE2000), as do the genuine Apple NICs. Some NICs from Dayna > do not work. > > The best Linux route for these machines is Debian Mac68k Linux, which can > be downloaded from the Debian site. I'd suggest you join the > debian-68k@lists.debian.org mailing list, as the system is still under > development, and new kernels are frequently released to the list. > > Finally, my webserver for the past year has been an overclocked LC475, > with a full 68040. It's rock-solid stable, and has never needed a reboot. > Current uptime is: 8:47am up 47 days, 11:39, 1 user, load average: > 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 > > Hope this helps, > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list The badge on the front of the machine says Performa 467, so I am guessing that is what it is. Looks like the processor is a Motorola 68030. They are interesting lttle units, 8MB RAM, 128 MB SCSI HD. Spec sheet is at http://www.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf?RID=70I appreciate all the info. I guess I will have to do some research before I can make this a full=fledged project. :) Hmmm The Apple/linux router project... ;) From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Jun 20 12:51:19 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux Message-ID: <200106201751.MAA17349@www5> On or about 20 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston is alleged to have said: > "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > > > Cool! Thanks Bill, this is interesting stuff. I was planning on making this > > machine into a play thing for my son (17 months, but _loves_ to bang on > > the keyboard and move the mouse). I may consider using an old x86 machine > > for this task instead... > > Try out Babysmash. It locks the machine until a special key command is used. > It > displays random objects on the screen in various colors. Pretty cool. The > key > command would be very hard to press acidentally. > Works on all MacOS's as far as I know. Been a while since I've used it > though. I just hacked together a little ncurses program that displays a big letter on the screen. It would have been easier to do by just running an xterm with a montrous font, but Dad was a little bored when he started coding. :) My 3 year old always asks to "type the letters" and has been for almost a year now; we're not worried about reading, since the correlation between what he types and what he says has been high since he was about 15-18 mos. It's funny how when Mom and Dad spend a lot of time on the phone or looking at the "infernal screen" how it's mirrored by the little ones! From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 13:00:57 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kids and linux (was mklinux) References: <200106201751.MAA17349@www5> Message-ID: <3B30E4D9.B39E0D20@qwest.net> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On or about 20 Jun 2001, Simeon Johnston is alleged to have said: > > "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > > > > > Cool! Thanks Bill, this is interesting stuff. I was planning on making > this > > > machine into a play thing for my son (17 months, but _loves_ to bang on > > > the keyboard and move the mouse). I may consider using an old x86 > machine > > > for this task instead... > > > > Try out Babysmash. It locks the machine until a special key command is > used. > > It > > displays random objects on the screen in various colors. Pretty cool. > The > > key > > command would be very hard to press acidentally. > > Works on all MacOS's as far as I know. Been a while since I've used it > > though. > > I just hacked together a little ncurses program that displays a big letter > on the screen. It would have been easier to do by just running an xterm > with a montrous font, but Dad was a little bored when he started coding. :) > > My 3 year old always asks to "type the letters" and has been for almost a > year now; we're not worried about reading, since the correlation between > what he types and what he says has been high since he was about 15-18 mos. > > It's funny how when Mom and Dad spend a lot of time on the phone or looking > at the "infernal screen" how it's mirrored by the little ones! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list IMHO, I think one of the weaker point os Llinux is not its viability as a desktop ala MS Office, but its lack of childrens games. My 4 year old daughter would be running Linux right now if there were more pre-school age games for the system. I realize that, product placement and marketing being what they are, my daughter will probably always pick Beauty and the Beast over Tux but in the long run, she will learn a lot more using Linux. If I knew anything about game developement, I am sure I would try to write a game or two... From ryanb at rydian.com Wed Jun 20 13:08:16 2001 From: ryanb at rydian.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo References: Message-ID: <00b301c0f9b3$fa881b60$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> I have a AT power supply at home that I pulled from a now defunt machine, which I use to test out fans. It's not connected to a motherboard, and works just fine. I suggest trying to power it without being connected to a MoBo. The PSU connector for the Motherboard has two connectors which are usually labeled "P1" and "P2" correct? Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ryan Bethke wrote: > > > An AT powersupply should be able to run without being hooked up to anything > > other than a power source, then you should just have to hit the switch. > > > > Ryan > > Not true. Every AT supply I've seen requires a mobo to be attached. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Jun 20 13:18:36 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kids and linux (was mklinux) In-Reply-To: <3B30E4D9.B39E0D20@qwest.net> Message-ID: http://www.linuxforkids.org/ Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did they would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 20 13:23:41 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kids and linux (was mklinux) In-Reply-To: <3B30E4D9.B39E0D20@qwest.net>; from ssinn@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:00:57PM -0500 References: <200106201751.MAA17349@www5> <3B30E4D9.B39E0D20@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010620132340.A4574@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:00:57PM -0500, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > IMHO, I think one of the weaker point os Llinux is not its viability as > a desktop ala MS Office, but its lack of childrens games. My 4 year old > daughter would be running Linux right now if there were more pre-school > age games for the system. > I realize that, product placement and marketing being what they are, my > daughter will probably always pick Beauty and the Beast over Tux but in > the long run, she will learn a lot more using Linux. If I knew anything > about game developement, I am sure I would try to write a game or two... > There's more Linux stuff for kids out there than you might expect. Take a look at www.linuxforkids.com for a list of some of the stuff available. Also take a look at Debian Jr. - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ . Sure there isn't as much polished software, but there's enough so that you can at least let the kids use both sides of a dual boot machine. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 20 13:30:10 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kids and linux (was mklinux) In-Reply-To: <3B30E4D9.B39E0D20@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > IMHO, I think one of the weaker point os Llinux is not its viability as > a desktop ala MS Office, but its lack of childrens games. My 4 year old > daughter would be running Linux right now if there were more pre-school > age games for the system. > I realize that, product placement and marketing being what they are, my > daughter will probably always pick Beauty and the Beast over Tux but in > the long run, she will learn a lot more using Linux. If I knew anything > about game developement, I am sure I would try to write a game or two... > I understand and respect your sentiment. Frankly, though, I consider it one of the *stronger* points of Linux that it doesn't have pre-packaged, marketing based, commercialized games targeting the very young. If there were more children's software out there that was worth a twid, I might wish for it, but most of it's pap, so I'd gladly trade the ease of developing our own -- it's not too hard to entertain the little ones, and even better, teach them to invent their own games (never too young for CodeWar!) and learn to program, like when I was a boy! Oh, wait, now maybe I've gone too far. But not by much, really. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 20 13:40:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using an AT power supply without a mobo In-Reply-To: <00b301c0f9b3$fa881b60$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ryan Bethke wrote: > I have a AT power supply at home that I pulled from a now defunt machine, > which I use to test out fans. > It's not connected to a motherboard, and works just fine. I suggest trying > to power it without being connected to a MoBo. > > The PSU connector for the Motherboard has two connectors which are usually > labeled "P1" and "P2" correct? Huh... I've NEVER seen an AT power supply power on its own without any load. I think I'll be taking a trip up to Radio Shack in a moment so I can pick up some resistors and try this out. Thanks for all the help!! -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 13:46:28 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mklinux In-Reply-To: <3B30E117.2E230F2A@qwest.net> References: <3B30B171.1178F59E@qwest.net> <20010620095114.38280fc8.blayer@qwest.net> <3B30E117.2E230F2A@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010620134628.1b81830a.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:44:55 -0500 "Spencer J Sinn" wrote: > The badge on the front of the machine says Performa 467, so I am > guessing that is what it is. Looks like the processor is a Motorola > 68030. They are interesting lttle units, 8MB RAM, 128 MB SCSI HD. Spec > sheet is at > http://www.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf?RID=70I > appreciate all the info. I guess I will have to do some research before > I can make this a full=fledged project. :) > Hmmm The Apple/linux router project... ;) Oh, ok! I should have recognized it.. the Performa 467 is aka the LC III+.. pretty zippy little machine, 68030 @ 33MHz as you state. I actually own one of them...:) You're going to have a hard time using one as a router, as they only have a single PDS expansion slot, and hence can only have a single NIC. However, a web / ftp / nameserver would probably work out. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From peter.clark at tides.com Wed Jun 20 13:44:55 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser on Progeny: the sweet sounds of success Message-ID: <200106201907.f5KJ7fK02169@sprite.real-time.com> Well, after nervously googling my way for the past couple of days, I finally got up the nerve to convert my ext2 partitions to Reiser. And lo and behold, three hours later, everything works! Almost. When I go to reboot, it says "reiserfs: Unrecognized mount options" and upon rebooting it checks the transaction log. /etc/fstab is as follows: /dev/hda6 / reiserfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda7 /usr/local reiserfs defaults 0 2 Oh, yes, everything is tabbed spaced (I had to cut things short in this message, for obvious reasons.) Well, I think that's it for one day, though. If anyone would like to know how I did it, I would be happy to post my steps. :Peter From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 20 14:13:25 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser on Progeny: the sweet sounds of success References: <200106201907.f5KJ7fK02169@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <007101c0f9bd$153628e0$3028680a@tgt.com> I think it is this option; defaults,errors=remount-ro I have never quite seen that layout before. Just use defaults, it will be fine. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser on Progeny: the sweet sounds of success > Well, after nervously googling my way for the past couple of days, > I finally got up the nerve to convert my ext2 partitions to Reiser. And lo > and behold, three hours later, everything works! Almost. When I go to > reboot, it says "reiserfs: Unrecognized mount options" and upon rebooting > it checks the transaction log. /etc/fstab is as follows: > /dev/hda6 / reiserfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 > /dev/hda7 /usr/local reiserfs defaults 0 2 > Oh, yes, everything is tabbed spaced (I had to cut things short in > this message, for obvious reasons.) > Well, I think that's it for one day, though. If anyone would like > to know how I did it, I would be happy to post my steps. > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Jun 20 14:43:42 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reiser on Progeny: the sweet sounds of success In-Reply-To: <007101c0f9bd$153628e0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 02:13:25PM -0500 References: <200106201907.f5KJ7fK02169@sprite.real-time.com> <007101c0f9bd$153628e0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010620144342.B17@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 02:13:25PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I think it is this option; defaults,errors=remount-ro > > I have never quite seen that layout before. Just use defaults, it will be > fine. Me neither, 'till I installed debian. I have kept my / and /var ext2 though as a couple of bad experiences with RaiserFS/VIA mobo taught me. Other than that, reiser is great, I have reiser everywhere. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jack at jacku.com Wed Jun 20 15:00:21 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:22:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Database question In-Reply-To: <992986985.3b2fc76994ee9@www.luths.net> Refe