Thanks so much for everyone's input on this. I think I got something to work with now. But I still have one truble: I would like to have virtual users. I dont want to have all those accounts on my system, it seems like a hassle when all they need is ftp access. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to do this? -- Jay Kline list at slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Minnesota -- home of the blonde hair and blue ears. mosquito supplier to the free world. come fall in love with a loon. where visitors turn blue with envy. one day it's warm, the rest of the year it's cold. land of many cultures -- mostly throat. where the elite meet sleet. glove it or leave it. many are cold, but few are frozen. land of the ski and home of the crazed. land of 10,000 Petersons.