Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I love Java -- but it takes far to long to do anything useful in JSP if you > code in the proper way. It is easy to get out of hand and make it hard to > maintain or extend. Custom tags (taglibs) and such take a lot of work for > minimal return. Code in the proper way? I take it you mean miminal Java and the use of taglibs to render dynamic or programatic content. I don't know Python or PHP but I used to do quite a bit of Perl and I find I get as much functionality built using Java/JSP as I used to do with Perl over a given time period. It also depends on the strength of you pre-built tag library if you have one. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra at talentemail.com