> the more they dumb it down, the more people will buy it... actually, I don't think it's fundamentally gotten any more 'idiot friendly' than it was before. the new start menu looks wierder; but I don't think it's any much easier to use... certainly not if you spend a little while exploring. (then again, most people don't...). I think idiot-friendliness has gotten to the point where they really can't get much better, at a fundamental level. so they flail around with new features, and reduced choices; to give people the impression that they're making things easier. look at Microsoft 'Bob'. :P > Sad. Although, > the latest build of XP professional includes that sweet 3d rendered fishtank > screensaver that looks like the real thing. I forget the name now, but it's > probably the coolest screensaver I've ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card > to get photo quality out of it. hmm, we've got build 2505 here, and I can't find it on the list of screensavers. :( I *am* glad to say that Starcraft installs and runs happily on it. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700