From moomonk at aaieee.daisy-chan.org Sun Jul 1 02:20:15 2001 From: moomonk at aaieee.daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux directory naming system In-Reply-To: <3B3E65AC.E9904931@haxxed.com> Message-ID: Since that isn't a typical user utility. I'd normally want to keep the shell users out of stuff they have no business using. Ping included. Josh On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I think the directory structure is a little odd at first, but once you > > learn it it makes more sense (to me anyways). The one thing that still > > bugs me though is all the variations of bin laying around.. /bin, > > /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin. Why is there a /bin and a > > /usr/bin? and although I can see the logic of keeping root-only utils in > > /sbin, if you have to be root to run them anyway, why not dump it all in > > /bin? I'm planning to start doing this on some of my boxen, dump all the > > files from /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin into /bin and then symlink the old > > bin directories, since I assume stuff is compiled to look for /usr/sbin > > and whatnot. Any reason why I couldn't do this? > > Nope. Ain't Linux great... > > Personally I hate the practice that seems to have turned up lately of > putting useful luser utilities like traceroute in /usr/sbin. What the > hell? Since when is traceroute a root util? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 1 05:24:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Any Cybercash people? In-Reply-To: <3B3DCEDD.2060406@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 09:06:37AM -0400 References: <20010630015337.B3469@real-time.com> <3B3DCEDD.2060406@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010701052427.A15147@real-time.com> Quoting Scott M. Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > Anyone worked with Cybercash enough to understand the -implementation- > > details? > > > I think theres a module in CPAN for it. But I might be wrong. I went to http://search.cpan.org/ and searched for cybercash, got nothing. Is that the best way to search CPAN? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dante at plethora.net Sun Jul 1 10:19:55 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice and the Pentagon In-Reply-To: <3B3CA4CA.6750AA9B@uswest.net> Message-ID: OpenOffice from CVS was pretty decent last time I checked it out, I think that the volunteers are finally getting a good handle on some of the more challenging code. I expect the next "release" to be really good. Dan On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > I didn't read the article, but I would bet that the Pentagon is still going > > > to use Star Office on Windows NT. > > > > IIRC there were a few Windoze stations but mostly *NIX and a few > > linux. SO is almost the only office suite that makes sense there because > > of their mix of MS, *NIX, and possibly *BSD. Nice to see an office app > > that will run nicely cross-platform like that. > > > > Hmm.. I suddenly have the urge to check the latest build of OpenOffice > > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Resist your urge. I took a look at OpenOffice 6.0. Two big things missing is: > printing and cut/paste. It may be there now, but I would double check. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dante at plethora.net Sun Jul 1 10:31:55 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010630102331.D17957@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I still prefer Pine to Mutt, this may be because the people who made Mutt made 'x' with no modifiers "quit now without asking and forget all mailbox changes" where in Pine it is "eXpunge deleted e-mails, ask first". Superior UI design trumps superior licensing in this case. OTOH, procmail rocks! Dan On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 02:01:01AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:42:29AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > > I am in search of a decent mail client. So far, the best I have found has > > > been KMail. It seems to have everything in I want in a client, but I do have > > Two words: mutt + procmail > > This combination has worked for me for over three years. You get to use > awesome regular expressions everywhere and you read your mail from > anywhere you have ssh access to your machine. For the home user, add in > fetchmail and you have the best mail (reader) solution. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Sun Jul 1 10:19:41 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> If I am going to convert to either Pine, Mutt, or anything else. What mailbox format do they use? Do they also use Mbox (would be an easy convert) or will I have to write a script? On Saturday 30 June 2001 2:01 am, you wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:42:29AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > I am in search of a decent mail client. So far, the best I have found > > has been KMail. It seems to have everything in I want in a client, but I > > do have one problem with it: the rules. Perhaps I am the only one out > > there doing something as strange as this, but here is my setup: > > > > * I have jay@iexposure.com which is my work account. I want that to have > > its own inbox, and be able to set the identity to incoming mail (not a > > problem) * I have slushpupie@iexposure.com which is my personal account. > > I also want this to have its own inbox, etc (same as the other one, not a > > problem) * I have jay@tarsk.com for administriation of some specific > > sites, same deal * I have my own domain name slushpupie.com and have all > > mail going to one account on it (ie you can send mail to > > asdf@slushpupie.com and I will get it). I want to use filters to sort out > > where all this mail belongs. So if it comes in as list@slushpupie.com it > > sets the identity to list@slushpupie.com and if it has [TCLUG] in the > > subject, it puts it in the TCLUG folder. > > > > I have all the rules set up for this, but they dont work real well. Does > > anyone know if I can make this happen with Kmail? Or does anyone have a > > suggestion for a better mail client? > > Two words: mutt + procmail > > florin -- "Waving away a cloud of smoke, I look up, and am blinded by a bright, white light. It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God. In a booming voice, He says: "THIS IS A SIGN. USE LINUX, THE FREE UNIX SYSTEM FOR THE 386." (Matt Welsh) From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 1 11:27:25 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKI: B Toberman, please Email me Message-ID: Hey, For some reason the Email address I have for you is bouncing, even though I seemingly managed to send you your bill and all... please drop me an email. -Yaron -- From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 1 11:32:59 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:31:55AM -0500 References: <20010630102331.D17957@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:31:55AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I still prefer Pine to Mutt, this may be because the people who made Mutt > made 'x' with no modifiers "quit now without asking and forget all mailbox > changes" where in Pine it is "eXpunge deleted e-mails, ask first". In your .muttrc, you should look at: set delete=ask-yes # Ask to purge deleted messages, default yes set quit=ask-no # Ask to exit Mutt, default no set mark_old=no # Don't change New messages to Old I have mutt set up this way at work since I usually keep my mail open all the time. I want to be asked when I accidentally or intentionally try to quit. There are a whole bunch of these settings you should look at. There at lots of example .muttrc's on the mutt hope page. I could post parts of mine with explainations if anyone is interested. Nate From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Jul 1 11:45:59 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:32:59AM -0500 References: <20010630102331.D17957@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010701114559.A8769@squall.localdomain> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:32:59AM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > In your .muttrc, you should look at: > > set delete=ask-yes # Ask to purge deleted messages, default yes > set quit=ask-no # Ask to exit Mutt, default no > set mark_old=no # Don't change New messages to Old > > I have mutt set up this way at work since I usually keep my mail open > all the time. I want to be asked when I accidentally or intentionally > try to quit. There are a whole bunch of these settings you should look > at. There at lots of example .muttrc's on the mutt hope page. I could > post parts of mine with explainations if anyone is interested. Well, since we're talking about mutt and how great it is, I just thought I'd chime in about "send-hook". "send-hook" allows you to set options in mutt only when you need them. For example, I use them to change my sig depending on who I'm sending a message to. # set default sig send-hook . "set signature=~/.signature" # simple sig for people who know me send-hook '~t person1' 'set signature=~/.altsig' send-hook '~t person2' 'set signature=~/.altsig' send-hook '~t person3' 'set signature=~/.altsig' There are hooks for all kinds of other things as well (e.g. hooks for when you save a message). Although I used used Pine in my early Unix days, mutt is just so much more configurable, that I can't help but use it. Anyway, mutt good. :) Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 1 11:56:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux directory naming system In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:15:40AM -0500 References: <20010629.9514500@LinWin.MShome> Message-ID: <20010701115656.A20993@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:15:40AM -0500, Brian wrote: > Why is there a /bin and a > /usr/bin? /bin, /sbin, and /lib live on the root device/fs and contain (theoretically) only the binaries/libraries that are absolutely necessary to have a functional system. Everything else goes under /usr, thus allowing you to keep a small root partition (= fast fsck if something goes wrong) and have the bulk of your binaries on a separate device/partition which is mounted read-only (= better security and no need to fsck it if something goes wrong). This is also why root's home directory is typincally /root (or just / on some older systems) instead of /home/root - if the system can't mount anything, root's home directory will still be there. Of course, if you've got /usr on the root partition, this distinction is no longer particularly useful unless you want to keep the option open to move /usr onto its own partition sometime in the future. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 1 11:59:33 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux directory naming system In-Reply-To: <20010629224508.A3071@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:45:13PM -0500 References: <20010629.9514500@LinWin.MShome> <20010629194749.F23320@blackice.localdomain> <20010629224508.A3071@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010701115932.B20993@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:45:13PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > in case anyone's curious; I once heard a brief history of /usr. > /usr was originally where the _user_ home directories were. The story I heard was that /usr didn't initially have anything to do with users at all, but instead was an abbreviation for Unix System Resources. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL++++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r y+ From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 1 12:28:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:19:41AM -0500 References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:19:41AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > If I am going to convert to either Pine, Mutt, or anything else. What > mailbox format do they use? Do they also use Mbox (would be an easy convert) > or will I have to write a script? Mutt uses mbox, maildir and a couple other mailbox formats. I personally like maildir. BTW: when you install mutt, start browsing the web for .muttrc files. You will find a lot of good examples which will help you configure it to your taste. A good place to start is http://www.dotfiles.com/ florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dante at plethora.net Sun Jul 1 12:59:11 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I know that it is configurable (and knew then), I just feels like the writers of mutt don't _want_ people who are used to pine switching over. It is easy to avoid software when you feel that the writers don't want you to use it. Pine may have a crappy license, but it has been written since day 1 to be easy to use (for tenured English profs and the like), and still have features that experienced users want. It isn't perfect, but I like it. Dan On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:31:55AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > I still prefer Pine to Mutt, this may be because the people who made Mutt > > made 'x' with no modifiers "quit now without asking and forget all mailbox > > changes" where in Pine it is "eXpunge deleted e-mails, ask first". > > In your .muttrc, you should look at: > > set delete=ask-yes # Ask to purge deleted messages, default yes > set quit=ask-no # Ask to exit Mutt, default no > set mark_old=no # Don't change New messages to Old > > I have mutt set up this way at work since I usually keep my mail open > all the time. I want to be asked when I accidentally or intentionally > try to quit. There are a whole bunch of these settings you should look > at. There at lots of example .muttrc's on the mutt hope page. I could > post parts of mine with explainations if anyone is interested. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Sun Jul 1 12:47:48 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pine's awesome, but mutt's better. Given that I make that claim while still primarily using pine (the intention is there, but the switching cost needs to be handled at a convenient time), I'd like to say that I recognize that the problem is not the fault of mutt designers; rather, it's my own ingrained habits which need to be overcome by relearning or accomodated by configuring the .rc file. The designers of mutt had a bigger functionality set in mind, and were coming from different backgrounds, so it's excusable for them to not give such high priority to adopting pine interface features. Andy > I know that it is configurable (and knew then), I just feels like the > writers of mutt don't _want_ people who are used to pine switching over. > It is easy to avoid software when you feel that the writers don't want > you to use it. > > Pine may have a crappy license, but it has been written since day 1 to > be easy to use (for tenured English profs and the like), and still > have features that experienced users want. It isn't perfect, but I like > it. > > Dan > From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 1 12:51:27 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:59:11PM -0500 References: <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010701125126.B21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:59:11PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I know that it is configurable (and knew then), I just feels like the > writers of mutt don't _want_ people who are used to pine switching over. > It is easy to avoid software when you feel that the writers don't want > you to use it. If I remember correctly, mutt started out as a replacement for elm. That probably explains the feeling you're having. I don't like all the elm keys either, but they are easily changed. I did like one thing about Pine that mutt doesn't do well, folders. Sure, you can change folders pretty easily in mutt, but I would love to have a nice summary screen of all the mailboxes I have defined, how many messages are in each, and the range of dates new messages cover. Nate From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 1 12:59:47 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:59:11PM -0500 References: <20010701113259.A21712@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010701125946.A10523@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:59:11PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I know that it is configurable (and knew then), I just feels like the > writers of mutt don't _want_ people who are used to pine switching over. > It is easy to avoid software when you feel that the writers don't want > you to use it. "I know Linux is configurable but I just feels like the writers don't _want_ people who are used to Windows switching over." Hellloooo... The writing on the wall is "There is more than one way to do it". Nobody forces you to use the defaults. All the options are clearly documented in the manual, FAQ. Tons of examples exist on the Internet. _You_ haven't paid a cent for the program, and haven't coded a line: why do you whine about the default configuration? Argue it, change it, pay somebody - _DO_ something about it, if it's not up to your "expectations". Sorry for the rant. > Pine may have a crappy license, but it has been written since day 1 to > be easy to use (for tenured English profs and the like), and still > have features that experienced users want. It isn't perfect, but I like > it. Not again - "emacs is easier to use than vi"... You like pine, fine. Use it. > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:31:55AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > I still prefer Pine to Mutt, this may be because the people who made Mutt > > > made 'x' with no modifiers "quit now without asking and forget all mailbox > > > changes" where in Pine it is "eXpunge deleted e-mails, ask first". You spent more time explaining why you don't like mutt that looking in the manual for the configuration... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From veldy at veldy.net Sun Jul 1 13:59:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 Message-ID: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? Thanks, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Sun Jul 1 14:01:52 2001 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010701140152.7e19f51b.jay-tclug@3pound.com> On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:42:29 -0500 Jay Kline wrote: > I am in search of a decent mail client. So far, the best I have found > has been KMail. It seems to have everything in I want in a client, but > I do have one problem with it: the rules. Perhaps I am the only one > out there doing something as strange as this, but here is my setup: My apologies .. catching the thread late and too tired to read them all. Personally, I could never get used to CLI mail clients so I started with Netscape in my early days. Since Balsa and friends seem to be taking their time and depend on oodles of other projects, I hunted and found Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ If you've been living with KMail, I think you'll definately want to check it out. It should handle your filter needs, no limit on accounts, maildir, etc. I'd say the majority of general-list subscribers are running some version from CVS. There is also a bleeding edge branch named claws (hosted at SourceForge). -Jay J From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 1 16:55:11 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] grabbing images In-Reply-To: <20010630102327.C17957@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > lynx -source www.somesite/images/certainimage.jpg > file Muchos Gracias! That is exactly what I needed.. a nice one liner that I can put into a perl script to feed my java applet. Yes, there are prettier ways of doing it but since I barely know java I don't want to tinker with already working code. -Brian From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Sun Jul 1 17:46:24 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail Message-ID: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain> Okay, so I'm trying to set up procmail, to go along with my newfound friend mutt -- just for reference, I started using mutt *before* the recent thread about mailers and have to agree that mutt has a lot of great features. However, I can't seem to get procmail to run right. Right now I just have one rule that sends the mail from tclug to a folder. That rule works, but I don't get the rest of my mail. It's an RH7.1 system. Does anyone know why? I have a .forward that looks like this: FS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #dchristi" And a .procmailrc that looks like this: PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # You'd better make sure it exists DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail :0 # Anything from people at tclug * ^From.*@mn-linux.org tclug # will go to $MAILDIR/tclug Thanks, Dave From john at mn.mediaone.net Sun Jul 1 17:14:57 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Here is my procmailrc file. All I will say is that it works for me. # Set to yes when debugging VERBOSE = yes # Remove ## when debugging: set to no if you want minimal logging LOGABSTRACT = all # Replace $HOME/Msgs with your message directory # Mutt and elm use $HOME/Mail # Pine uses $HOME/mail # Netscape Messenger uses $HOME/nsmail # Some news clients, such as slrn & nn, use $HOME/News MAILDIR=/home/john/mail # Make sure this directory exists! # Directory for storing procmail-related files PMDIR=$HOME/Procmail :0: * ^TO_tclug $MAILDIR/TCLug :0: * ^TO_php-general $MAILDIR/PHPGeneral :0: * ^TO_php-db $MAILDIR/PHPDB :0: * ^TO_lists\.mysql\.com $MAILDIR/MySql :0: $MAILDIR/INBOX John Miller On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, David Christian wrote: > Okay, so I'm trying to set up procmail, to go along with my newfound friend mutt -- just for reference, I started using mutt *before* the recent thread about mailers and have to agree that mutt has a lot of great features. > > > However, I can't seem to get procmail to run right. Right now I just have one rule that sends the mail from tclug to a folder. That rule works, but I don't get the rest of my mail. It's an RH7.1 system. Does anyone know why? > > I have a .forward that looks like this: > > FS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #dchristi" > > And a .procmailrc that looks like this: > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # You'd better make sure it exists > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from > LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail > > :0 # Anything from people at tclug > * ^From.*@mn-linux.org > tclug # will go to $MAILDIR/tclug > > > Thanks, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ssinn at qwest.net Sun Jul 1 18:59:20 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:28:53PM -0500 References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010701185920.A11521@thor> IMHO The *best* place to get a .muttrc file is http://mutt.liberte.org They have set up a very cool CGI script that asks you a series of questions about the different options you would like to use in .muttrc. Then it creates a .muttrc file for you with *all* (as far as I can tell) the .muttrc options listed, but commented out, unless pre-selected. This was ideal for me when I switched over from pine. It has been much easier to re-configure as well. > > BTW: when you install mutt, start browsing the web for .muttrc files. You will > find a lot of good examples which will help you configure it to your taste. > > A good place to start is http://www.dotfiles.com/ > > florin > From spencer at sihope.com Sun Jul 1 18:58:03 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CMOS situation In-Reply-To: <200106280402.XAA29318@unix1.sihope.com> References: <200106280402.XAA29318@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: <01070118580304.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> OK. I know I need to take the laptop in to recieve a new cmos battery. The only thing is First Tech is closed until Thursday. I would really be happy to boot into Linux on the notebook, but it hangs on setting up the cmos clock. I will buy large beer for anyone that can tell me a workable workaround for this. Open Firmware is probably the key. Maybe a boot param to kill the offending process. -- Spencer Underground whois microsoft.com From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 1 19:22:40 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain>; from dchristian@users.sourceforge.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:46:24PM -0500 References: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010701192240.A28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:46:24PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > However, I can't seem to get procmail to run right. Right now I just > have one rule that sends the mail from tclug to a folder. That rule > works, but I don't get the rest of my mail. It's an RH7.1 system. > Does anyone know why? Hmm, not sure what's going wrong. But here are a few pointers. > And a .procmailrc that looks like this: > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. Never put "." in your path, especially in a script! That's very dangerous. > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # You'd better make sure it exists > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from VERBOSE=yes # add lots of detail to your log file. This should help # you figure out what's going on. > LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail > # Filter duplicates :0 Whc: msgid.lock | /usr/local/bin/formail -D 8192 msgid.cache > :0 # Anything from people at tclug > * ^From.*@mn-linux.org > tclug # will go to $MAILDIR/tclug This is a better recipe: * ^Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org With mailing lists, I look for a header that the mailing list manager throws in to do my filtering on. Right now, if someone with an address at mn-linux.org sent you a message directly, it would get put in your tclug folder. Probably not what you want. This way (unless you have the duplicate catch) you'll get direct messages from the list in your mbox and messages to the list in the folder. Nate From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 1 19:30:16 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701185920.A11521@thor>; from ssinn@qwest.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:59:20PM -0500 References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org> <20010701185920.A11521@thor> Message-ID: <20010701193016.B28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:59:20PM -0500, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > IMHO The *best* place to get a .muttrc file is http://mutt.liberte.org > They have set up a very cool CGI script that asks you a series of > questions about the different options you would like to use in That's pretty cool. Although I would probably just download the default from them and hack it to the way I want it. Also, the URL was wrong. You want to go to http://mutt.netliberte.org/ Nate From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 1 19:38:49 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CMOS situation In-Reply-To: <01070118580304.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:58:03PM -0500 References: <200106280402.XAA29318@unix1.sihope.com> <01070118580304.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010701193848.A28967@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:58:03PM -0500, spencer underground wrote: > OK. I know I need to take the laptop in to recieve a new cmos battery. The > only thing is First Tech is closed until Thursday. I would really be happy to > boot into Linux on the notebook, but it hangs on setting up the cmos clock. I > will buy large beer for anyone that can tell me a workable workaround for > this. Open Firmware is probably the key. Maybe a boot param to kill the > offending process. Boot with init=/bin/bash and then go into the /etc/init.d and grep for setting the clock. florin PS: this advice is not worth a beer 8-) ... it's the last resort -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 1 19:39:55 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701185920.A11521@thor>; from ssinn@qwest.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:59:20PM -0500 References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org> <20010701185920.A11521@thor> Message-ID: <20010701193955.B28967@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:59:20PM -0500, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > IMHO The *best* place to get a .muttrc file is http://mutt.liberte.org > They have set up a very cool CGI script that asks you a series of questions about the different options you would like to use in .muttrc. Then it creates a .muttrc > file for you with *all* (as far as I can tell) the .muttrc options listed, but commented out, unless pre-selected. > This was ideal for me when I switched over from pine. It has been much easier to re-configure as well. Bookmarked. Thanks. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 1 19:43:07 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain>; from dchristian@users.sourceforge.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:46:24PM -0500 References: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010701194306.C28967@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:46:24PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > Okay, so I'm trying to set up procmail, to go along with my newfound friend mutt -- just for reference, I started using mutt *before* the recent thread about mailers and have to agree that mutt has a lot of great features. > > > However, I can't seem to get procmail to run right. Right now I just have one rule that sends the mail from tclug to a folder. That rule works, but I don't get the rest of my mail. It's an RH7.1 system. Does anyone know why? > > I have a .forward that looks like this: > > FS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #dchristi" First: don't use .forward . The default sendmail.cf from RedHat delivers using procmail. > And a .procmailrc that looks like this: > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # You'd better make sure it exists > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from > LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail > > :0 # Anything from people at tclug > * ^From.*@mn-linux.org > tclug # will go to $MAILDIR/tclug Hmmmm... and what is the logfile saying? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From ssinn at qwest.net Sun Jul 1 19:40:20 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701193016.B28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 07:30:16PM -0500 References: <01063001422901.01067@friday.tarsk.com> <20010630020101.B23020@beaver.iucha.org> <01070110194100.01924@friday.tarsk.com> <20010701122852.A25553@beaver.iucha.org> <20010701185920.A11521@thor> <20010701193016.B28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010701194020.A11618@thor> oopsy... Sorry, I was temporarily distracted by my excitement over the Slackware 8.0 release 8^ D On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 07:30:16PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > That's pretty cool. Although I would probably just download the default > from them and hack it to the way I want it. Also, the URL was wrong. > You want to go to > > http://mutt.netliberte.org/ > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Sun Jul 1 20:12:03 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:14:57PM -0500 References: <20010701174624.D1184@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010701201203.A2317@localhost.localdomain> The problem was kind of silly: Redhat enables procmail from within sendmail by default: my forward file was just messing everything up. Now it works fine. Thanks again, David On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 05:14:57PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > Here is my procmailrc file. All I will say is that it works for me. > > # Set to yes when debugging > VERBOSE = yes > > # Remove ## when debugging: set to no if you want minimal logging > LOGABSTRACT = all > > # Replace $HOME/Msgs with your message directory > # Mutt and elm use $HOME/Mail > # Pine uses $HOME/mail > # Netscape Messenger uses $HOME/nsmail > # Some news clients, such as slrn & nn, use $HOME/News > MAILDIR=/home/john/mail # Make sure this directory exists! > > # Directory for storing procmail-related files > PMDIR=$HOME/Procmail > > :0: > * ^TO_tclug > $MAILDIR/TCLug > > :0: > * ^TO_php-general > $MAILDIR/PHPGeneral > > :0: > * ^TO_php-db > $MAILDIR/PHPDB > > :0: > * ^TO_lists\.mysql\.com > $MAILDIR/MySql > > :0: > $MAILDIR/INBOX > > John Miller > > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, David Christian wrote: > > > Okay, so I'm trying to set up procmail, to go along with my newfound friend mutt -- just for reference, I started using mutt *before* the recent thread about mailers and have to agree that mutt has a lot of great features. > > > > > > However, I can't seem to get procmail to run right. Right now I just have one rule that sends the mail from tclug to a folder. That rule works, but I don't get the rest of my mail. It's an RH7.1 system. Does anyone know why? > > > > I have a .forward that looks like this: > > > > FS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #dchristi" > > > > And a .procmailrc that looks like this: > > > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. > > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # You'd better make sure it exists > > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox > > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from > > LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail > > > > :0 # Anything from people at tclug > > * ^From.*@mn-linux.org > > tclug # will go to $MAILDIR/tclug > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Jul 1 20:59:21 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 In-Reply-To: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:59:28PM -0500 References: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010701205921.C9255@squall.localdomain> HAHA! Gabe On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:59:28PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? > > Thanks, > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Jul 1 21:22:10 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and maildir Message-ID: <20010701212210.D9255@squall.localdomain> Well, with all this talk of mutt and procmail and such, I just thought of something that I'd like to do. At work, we have a mail server running Irix and for some reason, I have problems with procmail delivering mail to mbox-format files. Every so often (much too often), procmail will concatenate two or three or a dozen emails together with just NULLs (^@) between them. So, when viewing these folders in mutt, one message may actually contain many messages, so I have to edit the message and delete the NULLs before the other messages show up in my mailbox. As you can imagine, this is _extremely_ bothersome. Now, someone mentioned that mutt can read maildir format folders (which I wasn't aware of). It's my opinion that it's procmail locking (or not locking) the mbox folders that adds the NULLs in there, for whatever reason. If I could get procmail to put incoming messages into maildir format, since every messages is a seperate file, I shouldn't have the problem of multiple messages being concatenated together. We're using sendmail as our MTA. Is it possible (via something in .procmailrc, or even an external program) to have procmail put every message I send to it in maildir format? Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From spencer at sihope.com Sun Jul 1 15:44:01 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CMOS situation In-Reply-To: <20010701193848.A28967@beaver.iucha.org> References: <200106280402.XAA29318@unix1.sihope.com> <01070118580304.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> <20010701193848.A28967@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01070115440100.01057@slim> > Boot with init=/bin/bash and then go into the /etc/init.d and grep > for setting the clock. After greping for a while, to no avail, I decided that OS X would solve my problem. And it did. OS X had a friendly setting for setting the clock to an ntp server. It was set but no server listed. Aparently OS X has the power to write to Open Firmware itself. No battery needed. No waiting for mobile Linux. > > florin > > PS: this advice is not worth a beer 8-) ... it's the last resort Well, if I get the chance. -- Spencer Underground mailto:spencer@sihope.com deltree c:\windows /y whois microsoft.com From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Jul 1 21:49:46 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and maildir In-Reply-To: <20010701212210.D9255@squall.localdomain>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 09:22:10PM -0500 References: <20010701212210.D9255@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010701214946.A9410@squall.localdomain> Well, this page http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ helped me answer my own question. Put / on the end of a mailbox to make it mailder, put /. (*snicker*) on the end to make it MH. Mutt works perfectly with it too. Good-bye ^@! The URL I mentioned above is a _very extensive_ and _very long_ "quick start", for all of you just discovering procmail. Gabe On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 09:22:10PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > Well, with all this talk of mutt and procmail and such, I just thought of > something that I'd like to do. > > At work, we have a mail server running Irix and for some reason, I have > problems with procmail delivering mail to mbox-format files. Every so > often (much too often), procmail will concatenate two or three or a dozen > emails together with just NULLs (^@) between them. So, when viewing these > folders in mutt, one message may actually contain many messages, so I have > to edit the message and delete the NULLs before the other messages show up > in my mailbox. > > As you can imagine, this is _extremely_ bothersome. Now, someone mentioned > that mutt can read maildir format folders (which I wasn't aware of). It's > my opinion that it's procmail locking (or not locking) the mbox folders > that adds the NULLs in there, for whatever reason. If I could get procmail > to put incoming messages into maildir format, since every messages is a > seperate file, I shouldn't have the problem of multiple messages being > concatenated together. > > We're using sendmail as our MTA. Is it possible (via something in > .procmailrc, or even an external program) to have procmail put every > message I send to it in maildir format? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 1 22:32:24 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki payment Message-ID: Hey, A charge from Loki has appeared on my CC. I am therefore depositing everyone's checks. Hopefully the games will all be here REALLY soon - Loki told me they shipped them last Friday. I'll be surprised if they don't show up by the 14th, time for the next TCLUG meeting. Of course, just in time for this the headphone jack on my soundcard dies. And naturally it's built-in to the MBoard, so I'm all nice and SOL. We'll see how nice Tran Micro _really_ are tomorrow (: -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Sun Jul 1 22:38:14 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:32:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010701223814.B15391@real-time.com> > Of course, just in time for this the headphone jack on my soundcard dies. > And naturally it's built-in to the MBoard, so I'm all nice and SOL. We'll > see how nice Tran Micro _really_ are tomorrow (: what mobo do you have? are you happy with it otherwise? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From wilson at visi.com Sun Jul 1 22:45:44 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: <20010701223814.B15391@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Of course, just in time for this the headphone jack on my soundcard dies. > > And naturally it's built-in to the MBoard, so I'm all nice and SOL. We'll > > see how nice Tran Micro _really_ are tomorrow (: > what mobo do you have? are you happy with it otherwise? Uh oh, this could get ugly. Easy, Yaron, easy... -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 1 22:48:20 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: <20010701223814.B15391@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > what mobo do you have? are you happy with it otherwise? ASUS K7V, and yeah, other than that it's pretty good. Allows you to specify which IRQ is used by which slot (; I have an SB16 lying around but there's no ISA on this board. -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Sun Jul 1 23:03:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 In-Reply-To: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> References: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010701230358.66a4edf7.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:59:28 -0500 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? ftp://hedwig.meatbarn.com/pub/linux/slackware/8.0/ 90KB/sec :)) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 1 23:29:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 In-Reply-To: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:59:28PM -0500 References: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010701232920.A15265@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? I'll be happy to put the slackware iso into the misc-iso directory on ftp.mn-linux.org, if it's not in the /linux/slackware directory. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From gswan at visi.com Sun Jul 1 19:50:34 2001 From: gswan at visi.com (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Posting web access username/passwords on webpage Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010701191832.00ad7f00@pop.visi.com> Howdy: While I'm struggling through with the politics of this situation, I thought, out of curiousity I'd post this "theoretical" scenerio and see what folks here think---since many of you are so familiar with security issues: In my workplace we purchase e-content from a number of outside vendors. Some, as part of the contract, are required to provide us with statistics on usage of their content. So... to provide these statistics to us, they provide us with username and password to access the statistic archives and usage part of their website. This, among other things, allows restricting us to just our data and other customers to their data. Now, some of our people--for convenience--want me to post the username and passwords for accessing these external vendors's statistics websites to part of our staff web site. I say to myself, "It's risky enough sending username and passwords in the same e-mail. Why would I want to ignore "common sense" and post these "website access username/passwords" on a web server sub directory even if I do protect it with .htaccess? Besides being somewhat dumb? isn't that breaking confidence with your business contact ---who has bothered to send username and passwords to you in separate emails?" Questions: 1) Am I being snitty or is .htaccess generally secure enough? (My first instinct is: Nothing is completely secure; posting is dumb.) 2) Not knowing what security measures the outside vendors have taken, wouldn't posting these username/passwords at my end be irresponsible business behavior? --or again am I being snitty and paranoid? (My first instinct is: If I naively provide this openning, it's not just me and the vendor that can get hurt but the vendor's other customers as well if the vendor get hacked.) 3) In the context of work politics, if coworkers choose to post them on web directories to which they have access, I cannot stop them, but that doesn't mean I have to give them a helping hand. (My instinct: there are limits to being a nice guy and helpful support staff person! Aren't I being asked to put my professional reputation on the line while the person(s) asking me to do this are getting off risk free?) Anyone seen this kind of situation before and want to vent away, I'll be reading them all. TIA, gs From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 00:09:04 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Posting web access username/passwords on webpage In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010701191832.00ad7f00@pop.visi.com> Message-ID: So, if I understand this right, you have people asking you to post a name and password to get at information elsewhere. Basically, they are just too lazy to write it down or keep track of it themselves. That's probably OK, because they are likely the kind of people who's habits are, um, less than secure. If you were to do something, like have a little cgi, or redirect that knew how to get to the content providers page, then your staff could go to a link, get the info they want, but they themselves would never actually know the password. That way they get the access they want without having to remember anything, and you can say "I never told them." It might mean a little work to keep the things fresh, but I think you're in that boat anyway. As far as the particulars, someone else can help you better with the choice of authentication implementation. I figure that even if it were in plaintext in a redirect, it's at least not being done by hand. If your vendors use https, that'd probably be best. Just two cents worth, from a guy who should have been sleeping instead of getting an X-terminal to work. :) Phil On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, George Swan wrote: > Howdy: > > While I'm struggling through with the politics of this situation, > I thought, out of curiousity I'd post this "theoretical" scenerio > and see what folks here think---since many of you are so familiar > with security issues: > > In my workplace we purchase e-content from a number of outside > vendors. > > Some, as part of the contract, are required to provide us with > statistics on usage of their content. > > So... to provide these statistics to us, they provide us with username > and password to access the statistic archives and usage part of their > website. This, among other things, allows restricting us to just our data > and other customers to their data. > > Now, some of our people--for convenience--want me to post the > username and passwords for accessing these external vendors's > statistics websites to part of our staff web site. > > I say to myself, "It's risky enough sending username and passwords > in the same e-mail. Why would I want to ignore "common sense" and > post these "website access username/passwords" on a web server sub > directory even if I do protect it with .htaccess? Besides being > somewhat dumb? isn't that breaking confidence with your business > contact ---who has bothered to send username and passwords to you > in separate emails?" > > Questions: > 1) Am I being snitty or is .htaccess generally secure enough? > (My first instinct is: Nothing is completely secure; posting is dumb.) > 2) Not knowing what security measures the outside vendors have > taken, wouldn't posting these username/passwords at my end > be irresponsible business behavior? --or again am I being > snitty and paranoid? > (My first instinct is: If I naively provide this openning, it's > not just me and the vendor that can get hurt but the vendor's other > customers as well if the vendor get hacked.) > 3) In the context of work politics, if coworkers choose to > post them on web directories to which they have access, I cannot > stop them, but that doesn't mean I have to give them a helping hand. > (My instinct: there are limits to being a nice guy and helpful > support staff person! Aren't I being asked to put my professional > reputation on the line while the person(s) asking me to do this > are getting off risk free?) > > Anyone seen this kind of situation before and want to vent away, I'll be > reading them all. > > TIA, > > gs > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jul 2 01:27:31 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 References: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> <20010701232920.A15265@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B401453.4869CB73@haxxed.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? > > I'll be happy to put the slackware iso into the misc-iso directory on > ftp.mn-linux.org, if it's not in the /linux/slackware directory. Give my new IP access so I can ssh in to gladiator. ;P And I cant figure out how to recover my admin password for the slackware mirror list. Heh. Help me Bob! From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 02:05:13 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Pine's awesome, but mutt's better. Given that I make that claim while > still primarily using pine (the intention is there, but the switching cost > needs to be handled at a convenient time), I'd like to say that I > recognize that the problem is not the fault of mutt designers; rather, > it's my own ingrained habits which need to be overcome by relearning or > accomodated by configuring the .rc file. The designers of mutt had a > bigger functionality set in mind, and were coming from different > backgrounds, so it's excusable for them to not give such high priority to > adopting pine interface features. > Regardless of "pine interface features", they made a *single keystroke* throw out all changes made in the current session, without confirmation, by default. This is *CRAPPY* UI design. I cannot justify taking the time to find out what other mistakes they have made when I have a perfectly usable alternative. I have used Netscape for mail in preference to mutt, because even though it is feature-poor, it at least doesn't make me start my session over on a single keystroke. Dan From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 02:13:47 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010701125946.A10523@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:31:55AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > > I still prefer Pine to Mutt, this may be because the people who made Mutt > > > > made 'x' with no modifiers "quit now without asking and forget all mailbox > > > > changes" where in Pine it is "eXpunge deleted e-mails, ask first". > > You spent more time explaining why you don't like mutt that looking in the > manual for the configuration... > In one keystroke I lost several _hours_ worth of state information on my mailbox. It took me the better part of an hour to figure out what had happened (I originally thought it had crashed since there was no feedback). I could then have spent another hour reading the manual, finding the config options I wanted, and making the necessary changes. Instead I switched to using Netscape mail until it was convenient for me to download and install pine, and I haven't looked at mutt since. I have much more respect for good UI design than for the developers choice of license or other political considerations. Dan From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jul 2 02:13:42 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search References: Message-ID: <3B401F26.D323FD19@haxxed.com> > I have used Netscape for mail in preference to mutt, because even though > it is feature-poor, it at least doesn't make me start my session over > on a single keystroke. Alt-Q. Okay, so maybe thats two depending on who's counting. Speaking of misfeatures, how about screen's magic key being ctrl-a, which happens to be right next to ctrl-s, which is XOFF. ;P From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 04:08:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? Message-ID: <20010702040822.E15265@real-time.com> Anyone know of a good tool for decoding http request, especially POST requests on the wire ala snoop, tcpdump, ethereal? I want to decode some http POSTS and since the code is all binary (no source) I want to see what is happening on the wire. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at techie.com Mon Jul 2 07:36:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 02:13:47AM -0500 References: <20010701125946.A10523@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010702073614.C28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 02:13:47AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > In one keystroke I lost several _hours_ worth of state information on my > mailbox. It took me the better part of an hour to figure out what had > happened (I originally thought it had crashed since there was no > feedback). I could then have spent another hour reading the manual, > finding the config options I wanted, and making the necessary changes. You could have spent five minutes reading the help screen by pressing '?'. That way you would have seen what 'x' does and also that '$' will save any changes to your mailbox. Do this often if you keep one folder open all the time. I just wish there was a hook in mutt to do this every n minutes. Nate From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 2 07:39:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 References: <001d01c1025f$f42f6520$0101a8c0@cascade> <20010701230358.66a4edf7.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <005101c102f4$1a3e4990$3028680a@tgt.com> Thanks! Looks good. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:59:28 -0500 > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > Does anybody know of a fast mirror for the Slackware 8.0 image? > > ftp://hedwig.meatbarn.com/pub/linux/slackware/8.0/ > > 90KB/sec :)) > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 08:08:35 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <3B401F26.D323FD19@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I have used Netscape for mail in preference to mutt, because even though > > it is feature-poor, it at least doesn't make me start my session over > > on a single keystroke. > > Alt-Q. > I count it as two, you have to be intending _something_ to hit it even accidentally, a misplaced elbow or stray finger just can't do it. > Okay, so maybe thats two depending on who's counting. > > Speaking of misfeatures, how about screen's magic key being ctrl-a, > which happens to be right next to ctrl-s, which is XOFF. ;P I've seen people bitten by that one (and emacs on terminals) before. Maybe that is why I never really started using emacs, it kinda assumes that you are running from the console or have really good terminal cables. Dan From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jul 2 07:54:27 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] Linux directory naming system@4.sdm References: <20010630.1305900@LinWin.MShome> Message-ID: <3B406F03.5766DA6D@structural-wood.com> Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I don't mind a learning curve, but unnecessary complexity should be > avoided. After downloading Ximian Gnome there were missing dependencies > and altered start scripts all over the directory map. This was supposed > to be an automatic install. > > It took me most of a day to find and repair the problems so I could get a > useful X back. /etc/rc.config, and /sbin/init.d are not obvious places to > look. Sure, you're a genius, but normal people want Linux computers, too. > [stuff deleted] I don't know what the ximian people smoked before they put together this release. I had to fix my gdm config and some startup scripts as well. After more than a year of flawless updates (from Helix), I've gotten pretty careless about running the update utility. I'll think twice from now on. Kent From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 08:10:32 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? In-Reply-To: <20010702040822.E15265@real-time.com> Message-ID: if you have a newer version of tcpdump, the option -X prints the ascii along with it. Limit it to the right port, and you should be able to watch it. tcpdump -ax -s 0 port www Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:08 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? Anyone know of a good tool for decoding http request, especially POST requests on the wire ala snoop, tcpdump, ethereal? I want to decode some http POSTS and since the code is all binary (no source) I want to see what is happening on the wire. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 08:43:45 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010702073614.C28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I did that, 'x' doesn't provide any feedback so that you know you hit 'x', and $ is two keystrokes, very deliberate. I did read the help screen, I had to to be able to use mutt for a several hour mail session, I read a good chunk of documentation, and this _still_ bit me. Mind you, had I grabbed a custom .muttrc off the web right away I may never have seen it, but I tend to prefer approaching new applications on their own terms. It gives me more of an idea what the authors intended for the application. Dan On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 02:13:47AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > In one keystroke I lost several _hours_ worth of state information on my > > mailbox. It took me the better part of an hour to figure out what had > > happened (I originally thought it had crashed since there was no > > feedback). I could then have spent another hour reading the manual, > > finding the config options I wanted, and making the necessary changes. > > You could have spent five minutes reading the help screen by pressing > '?'. That way you would have seen what 'x' does and also that '$' will > save any changes to your mailbox. Do this often if you keep one folder > open all the time. I just wish there was a hook in mutt to do this > every n minutes. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Jul 2 08:21:58 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync Question References: Message-ID: <3B407576.8E9FFA00@uswest.net> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Greet the sun all, > > The sun is the sun. It sends no greeting, and appreciates none. > But this is Minnesota. Since the sun only warms the state two months out of the year, you great the sun with great enthusiasm! > > For people who use rsync on a regular basis: Is it possible to provide > > multiple sources? I looked at the man page and the rsync website > > (rsync.samba.org) and all the examples use a single source. I need to > > do something like this: > > > > rsync -avR /opt/tmp/foo.html, /opt/tmp/picture.jpg webserver.somewhere.org::htdocs > > This isn't really about rsync... > you want to use the shell to expand this: > > rsync -avR {/opt/tmp/foo.html,/opt/tmp/picture.jpg} webserver.blah::htdocs > > and you're also using '-e ssh', right? Thank you for the information. No, I am not using ssh as I am moving material to and frow among internal boxes. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From peter.clark at tides.com Mon Jul 2 08:01:24 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:28 2005 Subject: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment Message-ID: <200107021325.f62DPuK12322@sprite.real-time.com> Yaron wrote: --- ASUS K7V, and yeah, other than that it's pretty good. Allows you to specify which IRQ is used by which slot (; I have an SB16 lying around but there's no ISA on this board. --- Should Tran not replace your motherboard, may I recommend a Soyo K7VTA-Pro? Mwave is selling it for $95 and they have a great deal where if you purchase a mobo and processor, they will throw in an AMD approved heat sink. The board is cheap but excellent--several Linux sites have recommended it over anything Asus offers. The only "flaw" with it is that the power cable is positioned so that it runs over the heatsink fan. I solved this problem with a twist-tie. :) :Peter From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 08:26:23 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, the command should be tcpdump -xX -s 0 port www -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:11 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? if you have a newer version of tcpdump, the option -X prints the ascii along with it. Limit it to the right port, and you should be able to watch it. tcpdump -ax -s 0 port www Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:08 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? Anyone know of a good tool for decoding http request, especially POST requests on the wire ala snoop, tcpdump, ethereal? I want to decode some http POSTS and since the code is all binary (no source) I want to see what is happening on the wire. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 2 08:55:30 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:43:45AM -0500 References: <20010702073614.C28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010702085529.A5625@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:43:45AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I did that, 'x' doesn't provide any feedback so that you know you hit 'x', > and $ is two keystrokes, very deliberate. I did read the help screen, I > had to to be able to use mutt for a several hour mail session, I read a > good chunk of documentation, and this _still_ bit me. Mind you, had I > grabbed a custom .muttrc off the web right away I may never have seen it, > but I tend to prefer approaching new applications on their own terms. It > gives me more of an idea what the authors intended for the application. So you download linux-kernel and type: make bzImage, make modules... without configuring it? When I started using mutt I was coming from 5 years of pine. Yet I read the manual, searched the web for config scripts, carefully adding one new config at a time. I don't know why I did it this way... sheer luck, too much time on my hands... I don't know. But I am a happy mutt user now. As of _hours_ of state on you inbox, that's another issue: you should move mail in different folders, manually or with filters. If you have a crowded mailbox is hard to read, scan. It's like having all your files in one directory. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 09:17:45 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: <200107021325.f62DPuK12322@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > Should Tran not replace your motherboard, may I recommend a Soyo > K7VTA-Pro? Well, that'd be nice, except that's a Socket-A MBoard, and I've got a Slot-A CPU. Which, granted, sucks all ass, but I'm stuck with it. My board _is_ under waranty. ASUS say to contact your reseller. My concern is that Tran won't _have_ any of these, or indeed any SLot-A boards in stock - their "new and improved" website seems to suggest this. Worst case, I'll get a new sound card and disable the Builtin. By the way, anyone up for a phonecall campaign to Tran saying their new website doesn't work under Linux and that they should shoot the moron who decided to make it Flash only? -Yaron -- From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Mon Jul 2 09:28:42 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment References: Message-ID: <3B40851A.A14AA510@securecomputing.com> Yaron wrote: > By the way, anyone up for a phonecall campaign to Tran saying their new > website doesn't work under Linux and that they should shoot the moron who > decided to make it Flash only? As long as (s)he was only shot in the foot or something like that. Death or dismemberment seems fairly excessive for even the worst site design flaws. :) -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jul 2 09:28:21 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet KB and Linux References: <200106291606.f5TG6EK18215@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B4084F7.DA8EF50E@eetc.com> peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > For X, hotkeys is your friend (try Freshmeat). It's a lot easier than > xmodmap. For the console, try > http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue14/1080.html and use showkey -s > to display the different key codes. > Just out of curiousity, what do you have planned for your keyboard? I can > understand using an Internet keyboard under X (I have one that has various > media buttons, volume control, and program shortcuts) but it seems that its > functionality would be severly limited in a text console. Perhaps I am > thinking too GUIly. > :Peter I, of course, plan to take over the world. :-) The particular KB I have doesn't seperate the internet keys from the rest. It's a "Fn" key (which doesn't seem to register to RH7.1). My plan is to make my life a little easier by mapping keys to common commands. Such as the nifty litle power, sleep and wake keys (of course not to those comands. Single keypress powerdown? Not for me). And if I get the "Fn" key working I get and extra layer of command keys. :-) Fn, Control and Alt keys. Cool. I posted a similar question a while back about mapping a key command for switching from the US KB layout to the dvorak KB layout. Stuff like that. Maybe it's just a couple nuerons in there death throughs. :-) sim From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 09:35:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: <3B40851A.A14AA510@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > As long as (s)he was only shot in the foot or something like that. > Death or dismemberment seems fairly excessive for even the worst site > design flaws. :) I disagree, somewhat. You are right, death's too good for them. I think we need four strong horses and some rope. -Yaron -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 09:47:18 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: Tran website was Re: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:17:45AM -0500 References: <200107021325.f62DPuK12322@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702094717.A1430@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:17:45AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > By the way, anyone up for a phonecall campaign to Tran saying their new > website doesn't work under Linux and that they should shoot the moron who > decided to make it Flash only? WFM with netscape 4.7x and recent mozilla under i386 Linux. Of course, it does look like they only tried it under IE on Windows. All of those gifs with white borders, but they didn't bother to set the background color to white - argh. And it is stupid to use Flash, just to get buttons. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From richard at elsberry-web.com Mon Jul 2 09:48:03 2001 From: richard at elsberry-web.com (Richard Elsberry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 Message-ID: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> I've searched the TCLUG archives with no luck. I am installing RH7.1 and would like to set my own host name. I've tried UI and text installation. I enter "Bravo" but always end up with localhost. Does anybody have any words of wisdom as to how to set this during or after installation? Thanks, Richard From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 10:10:56 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010702085529.A5625@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > grabbed a custom .muttrc off the web right away I may never have seen it, > > but I tend to prefer approaching new applications on their own terms. It > > gives me more of an idea what the authors intended for the application. > > So you download linux-kernel and type: make bzImage, make modules... without > configuring it? > That is not a user interface application, it has to be configured to the hardware or the hardware configured to it. A user interface application should be _usable_ unmodified. The problem I ran into could bite anyone who has not already applied a patch (such as a custom .muttrc) to prevent it, not just people who have used pine. > When I started using mutt I was coming from 5 years of pine. Yet I read the > manual, searched the web for config scripts, carefully adding one new config > at a time. > This implies a considerable time investment in learning and configuring mutt, I was hit by a blatant UI bug and decided not to make the investment. I like most of the graphical mail agents better, even though they are not as feature rich. (This includes the original poster's choice of kmail. Nice agent, I just like pine a little bit better.) > I don't know why I did it this way... sheer luck, too much time on my hands... > I don't know. But I am a happy mutt user now. > > As of _hours_ of state on you inbox, that's another issue: you should move > mail in different folders, manually or with filters. If you have a crowded > mailbox is hard to read, scan. It's like having all your files in one > directory. > Hours of state: most of a day's worth of incoming email, read and deleted or replied to as it came in. Now remember which ones were replied to already, which were deleted, and pick out the new ones. Not a huge amount of work, but I don't quickly forgive applications that have added to my workload. Yes I know I should have '$' synced sometime in there, but we all slip occasionally. Dan From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 09:47:19 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: Tran website was Re: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: <20010702094717.A1430@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > WFM with netscape 4.7x and recent mozilla under i386 Linux. Works under Mozilla if you bother to install Flash. Which, if you upgrade nightly is a pain. Or an additional line in the script, but still. Thing is, as you mentioned, it was designed for IE. Also, sometimes not all of it loads. -Yaron -- From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 2 09:40:49 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> References: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <01070209404905.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> On Monday 02 July 2001 09:48 am, you wrote: > I've searched the TCLUG archives with no luck. I am installing RH7.1 > and would like to set my own host name. I've tried UI and text > installation. I enter "Bravo" but always end up with localhost. Does > anybody have any words of wisdom as to how to set this during or after > installation? hostname whatever > -- whois microsoft.com From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 2 09:41:39 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> References: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <01070209413906.31958@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> as root or su -- whois microsoft.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 09:53:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tran suck. Message-ID: Hey, Ok, they'll be happy to replace my MBoard. Thing is, they don't have any ASUS K7V anymore. But they can send it to ASUS and then I can have ASUS ship me a replacement. Which means I get stuck with no MBoard for GOD knows how long it takes ASUS to do anything. Luckily twiddling around with the audio jack seems to have got THAT kinda working again for now. ASUS tech support is a joke, too. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 09:54:57 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Richard Elsberry wrote: > installation. I enter "Bravo" but always end up with localhost. Does > anybody have any words of wisdom as to how to set this during or after > installation? Edit /etc/sysconfig/network, there should be a "HOSTNAME=" thing.Otherwise it does a reverse-lookup (or just checks /etc/hosts?) for it's IP address, so you can set it that way. -Yaron -- From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 10:00:59 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: Redhat likes to have everything in configuration files. If you like linuxconf, things can be easy to configure. I would try linuxconf first to see if that does anything. If you still have no luck, it may take some investigating to find. I believe all the configuration is in /etc/sysconfig (can someone with Redhat installed confirm this?) Look at the network file, and see if there is a HOSTNAME=localhost line. If there is, change localhost to whatever name you want. I am doing this from memory of an old Redhat install I did (when "Redneck" was still a language option, anyone remember?) so I may not have perfect info. One of the problems with having linuxconf is if you like to modify things by hand, or want to know how exactly it all works- things tend to get buried. Good luck! Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Richard Elsberry Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:48 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 I've searched the TCLUG archives with no luck. I am installing RH7.1 and would like to set my own host name. I've tried UI and text installation. I enter "Bravo" but always end up with localhost. Does anybody have any words of wisdom as to how to set this during or after installation? Thanks, Richard _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 10:12:29 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (amy tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 Message-ID: <015a01c10309$6c768460$fc19a8c0@2ndswing.com> Trying to install RH 7 from CD. Boots up fine, loads image, but then when I tell it install media is CD, it says it can't find a RH CD in the cdrom. But I am booting from the CD to start and it can read it to start the install. Any ideas? Thanks. From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 2 10:04:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com>; from richard@elsberry-web.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:48:03AM -0500 References: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <20010702100453.B5625@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:48:03AM -0500, Richard Elsberry wrote: > I've searched the TCLUG archives with no luck. I am installing RH7.1 > and would like to set my own host name. I've tried UI and text > installation. I enter "Bravo" but always end up with localhost. Does > anybody have any words of wisdom as to how to set this during or after > installation? Look around: /etc/sysconfig/network* or if you have time: cd /etc grep --recursive HOSTNAME * florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at genma.sherohman.org Mon Jul 2 10:05:14 2001 From: esper at genma.sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Decoding http posts on the wire? In-Reply-To: <20010702040822.E15265@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:08:22AM -0500 References: <20010702040822.E15265@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702100514.B5445@genma.sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:08:22AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of a good tool for decoding http request, especially POST requests > on the wire ala snoop, tcpdump, ethereal? ngrep POST dst port 80 Add a -A to get trailing context. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 10:06:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I am doing this from memory of an old Redhat install I did (when "Redneck" > was still a language option, anyone remember?) Oh man, I was SO pissed when they took that out, it was awesome! "On which here partition does y'all want to install LILO?" Hehehe. -Yaron -- From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 10:12:29 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 In-Reply-To: <015a01c10309$6c768460$fc19a8c0@2ndswing.com> Message-ID: What sort of CD drive do you have? If it is SCSI, you may have to pass some parameters to lilo to have it load the correct modules. Also, do you have more than one cdrom? It may not be looking in the right place. Good luck Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of amy tanner Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:12 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 Trying to install RH 7 from CD. Boots up fine, loads image, but then when I tell it install media is CD, it says it can't find a RH CD in the cdrom. But I am booting from the CD to start and it can read it to start the install. Any ideas? Thanks. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Mon Jul 2 10:15:03 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I am doing this from memory of an old Redhat install I did (when "Redneck" > was still a language option, anyone remember?) "Whicha dese keyboards you got?" I remember! If I wasn't a Debian user now, I'd ask RedHat to put that option back into the install program. Dan From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 10:17:03 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good. At least SOMEONE here remembers the good 'ol days when linux was fun too. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:07 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I am doing this from memory of an old Redhat install I did (when "Redneck" > was still a language option, anyone remember?) Oh man, I was SO pissed when they took that out, it was awesome! "On which here partition does y'all want to install LILO?" Hehehe. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 10:19:13 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tran suck. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Yaron wrote: > Luckily twiddling around with the audio jack seems to have got THAT kinda > working again for now. ASUS tech support is a joke, too. Dollars to donuts it's just a cracked solder joint. If you want to take it into your own hands, that's probably a 5 min fix, and I'm counting the time it takes for the soldering iron to heat up. If you aren't handy that way, I'm sure there are list members (me included) who'd be willing to take a peek. Re: Tran -- I think they're nice people, but they only think a problem through to a certain point. Paul Tran has always been good, but when I went in to try and buy a 20G HD on a late model 486 -- even though it *DOES* have a BIOS that would support what I wanted to do -- it was a mistake to even mention anything that wasn't one of the Common Current Configurations of North America. Big turn off when they won't even admit "I don't think I understand the question you're asking." But that was and the hired help that day. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 2 10:20:17 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tran suck. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, they'll be happy to replace my MBoard. Thing is, they don't have any > ASUS K7V anymore. But they can send it to ASUS and then I can have ASUS > ship me a replacement. If I were you I'd run down the street to GNS, buy a K7V (if they have one in stock), and when your replacement comes from ASUS return the board to GNS. Or just buy from GNS and return your broken K7V to Tran and tell them where they can go. Then again I've never dealt with either company on returns so do at your own risk. -Brian From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 10:43:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: Tran don't suck so much, really (was: Re: [TCLUG] Tran suck.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Ok, Tran are really good people, I know. I guess I can't really expect much in this case. On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > If I were you I'd run down the street to GNS, buy a K7V Nobody seems to have any Slot-A MBoards anymore. Plus, this board has a 1 year waranty, but Tran won't take it BACK anymore. I've had it for 6 months. GNS is really, REALLY bad on returns. If you DIY you get NO WARANTY whatsoever from them. -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 2 11:16:19 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: Tran don't suck so much, really (was: Re: [TCLUG] Tran suck.) References: Message-ID: <002e01c10312$54a10d20$3028680a@tgt.com> The one-year warrantee is almost certainly a Manufacturer warrantee. Real pain in the butt to collect on. Very long process too. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Tran don't suck so much, really (was: Re: [TCLUG] Tran suck.) > Hi, > > Ok, Tran are really good people, I know. I guess I can't really expect > much in this case. > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > > > If I were you I'd run down the street to GNS, buy a K7V > > Nobody seems to have any Slot-A MBoards anymore. Plus, this board has a 1 > year waranty, but Tran won't take it BACK anymore. I've had it for 6 > months. > > GNS is really, REALLY bad on returns. If you DIY you get NO WARANTY > whatsoever from them. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jul 2 11:18:13 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 References: <015a01c10309$6c768460$fc19a8c0@2ndswing.com> Message-ID: <3B409EAA.7ED5FE69@eetc.com> I've had problems like this from a laptop. The bios handles the cdrom until the OS takes over. The OS is in ram so it may not have the correct drivers for the hardware it just booted from. Pain in the A**. If it's SCSI you may need to load a module or do some lilo magic. Never had to mess with lilo boot time parameters though. amy tanner wrote: > Trying to install RH 7 from CD. Boots up fine, loads image, but then when I > tell it install media is CD, it says it can't find a RH CD in the cdrom. > But I am booting from the CD to start and it can read it to start the > install. Any ideas? > > Thanks. Maybe a little more info on the type of cdrom (and scsi card if scsi) would help. ? sim From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 2 11:18:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN Message-ID: Ok, I've seen weird things happening lately as M$ continues there quest to own every mail server on the planet. I'm running Sendmail 8.9.3 (I know, upgrade, yes, I know) and every time I send to @msn.com, @hotmail.com, now @qwest.net, or any other MSN owned mail service sendmail freezes for awhile. Usually about 5 to 10 min. My e-mail client of choice, pine, sits on "Sending 0%" and then finally sends after I walk down to the vending machine and back a few times. Anyway, does anyone else have this problem? Will a sendmail upgrade fix it? I'm assuming it's a problem with the way sendmail negotiates its connection to MSN but I could be wrong, maybe it's PINE, maybe it's because I'm running RH instead of Debian, I dunno. Doing a ps shows that sendmail has its sockets open to the mail server ok so I think it's sendmail. -Brian From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 2 11:22:45 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: ASUS Support sucks (was: Re: Tran don't suck so much, really (was: Re: [TCLUG] Tran suck.)) In-Reply-To: <002e01c10312$54a10d20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > The one-year warrantee is almost certainly a Manufacturer warrantee. Real > pain in the butt to collect on. Very long process too. Yeah, and ASUS say: contact reseller. -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 2 11:34:45 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN References: Message-ID: <005d01c10314$e7d527a0$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps it has something to do with DNS lookups. You could change your sendmail config. Mr Tanner has a configuration he uses for this list that might help you. Another option, the one I prefer, is to use Postfix instead of Sendmail. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN > Ok, I've seen weird things happening lately as M$ continues there quest > to own every mail server on the planet. I'm running Sendmail 8.9.3 (I > know, upgrade, yes, I know) and every time I send to @msn.com, > @hotmail.com, now @qwest.net, or any other MSN owned mail service sendmail > freezes for awhile. Usually about 5 to 10 min. My e-mail client of > choice, pine, sits on "Sending 0%" and then finally sends after I walk > down to the vending machine and back a few times. > > Anyway, does anyone else have this problem? Will a sendmail upgrade fix > it? I'm assuming it's a problem with the way sendmail negotiates its > connection to MSN but I could be wrong, maybe it's PINE, maybe it's > because I'm running RH instead of Debian, I dunno. Doing a ps shows that > sendmail has its sockets open to the mail server ok so I think it's > sendmail. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 11:39:21 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:43:45AM -0500 References: <20010702073614.C28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010702113921.A30734@blackice.localdomain> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:43:45AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I did that, 'x' doesn't provide any feedback so that you know you hit 'x', > and $ is two keystrokes, very deliberate. I did read the help screen, I > had to to be able to use mutt for a several hour mail session, I read a > good chunk of documentation, and this _still_ bit me. Mind you, had I > grabbed a custom .muttrc off the web right away I may never have seen it, > but I tend to prefer approaching new applications on their own terms. It > gives me more of an idea what the authors intended for the application. The intention of 'x' in mutt is to quit without confirmation. 'q' will quit _with_ confirmation. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From esper at genma.sherohman.org Mon Jul 2 11:49:29 2001 From: esper at genma.sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Client Search In-Reply-To: <20010702113921.A30734@blackice.localdomain>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:39:21AM -0500 References: <20010702073614.C28439@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010702113921.A30734@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010702114928.D5445@genma.sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:39:21AM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > The intention of 'x' in mutt is to quit without confirmation. 'q' will > quit _with_ confirmation. Yes, and Daniel's complaint is that intentionally making a quit-without- confirm that can be accidentally invoked is a Bad Thing. He's probably right. (But I use mutt anyhow and haven't had any problems with it because I like a tidy mailbox and use $ frequently to keep it that way.) From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 2 11:50:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN In-Reply-To: <005d01c10314$e7d527a0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Perhaps it has something to do with DNS lookups. You could change your > sendmail config. Mr Tanner has a configuration he uses for this list that > might help you. Another option, the one I prefer, is to use Postfix instead > of Sendmail. I'm looking at migrating my sendmail installs to postfix, but I just got proficient at basic sendmail setup and tweaking so to dump it all for postfix seems like a waste. Eventually I'll migrate everything to postfix because it's the safer alternative to sendmail and I don't know how long sendmail will be around since every version has some exploit in it. Don't know if it's DNS, it's connected to the server ok by the looks of ps. -Brian From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 11:48:06 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: Mobo, was Re: [TCLUG] Loki payment In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:17:45AM -0500 References: <200107021325.f62DPuK12322@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702114806.B30734@blackice.localdomain> > By the way, anyone up for a phonecall campaign to Tran saying their new > website doesn't work under Linux and that they should shoot the moron who > decided to make it Flash only? Works fine for me. Stock install of RH7.1. gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From npt at visi.com Mon Jul 2 12:20:30 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot/root fiasco In-Reply-To: <20010702114806.B30734@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: ok... i'm going crazy. i'm trying to build a boot/root set w/ a matching version of dump & restore to test out my tape setup that i just got going at work. the root filesystem is perfect... i've checked it 100 times. i get: "invalid compressed format(err=1)<5>" when i switch disks after being prompted. it finds the compressed image fine, tries to load if for a little bit and then gives me that damn error. if i hit enter again, it gives me a kernel panic. anyone know anything i should look at? sorry for such a fucking stupid problem, maybe it's just monday making me stupid... thanks nick From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jul 2 12:32:07 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:33 2005 Subject: Tran don't suck so much, really (was: Re: [TCLUG] Tran suck.) References: Message-ID: <3B40B017.9020907@talkware.net> I was having troubles finding a mobo for my Slot-A Athlon 900 T-Bird. If you dont mind buying refurb equipment: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1314&Type=Refurbish If that link doesnt work for ya, its at www.newegg.com in the refurb area. Yaron wrote: > Hi, > >Ok, Tran are really good people, I know. I guess I can't really expect >much in this case. > >On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > >>If I were you I'd run down the street to GNS, buy a K7V >> > >Nobody seems to have any Slot-A MBoards anymore. Plus, this board has a 1 >year waranty, but Tran won't take it BACK anymore. I've had it for 6 >months. > >GNS is really, REALLY bad on returns. If you DIY you get NO WARANTY >whatsoever from them. > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/e0f5fa28/attachment.html From umchaffie at messagelabs.com Mon Jul 2 12:46:43 2001 From: umchaffie at messagelabs.com (Uriah Mchaffie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 Message-ID: <6A576315A2902249A2AA5675E0B712030231920D@mlabs004.messagelabs.com> I've had this problem a few times in the past. Usually it was from a new download and fresh burn on a cd. For me it has always been because I didn't burn it as a binary or iso but instead just copied it and the formatting was different. I would try a different cd if you have one. Uriah McHaffie System Engineer MessageLabs Inc. 8500 Normandale Lake Blvd., Suite 650 Minneapolis, MN 55437 U.S.A. www.messagelabs.com Voice 952.830.1000 Fax 952.831.8118 Mobile 612.743.2800 -----Original Message----- From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@eetc.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:18 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 I've had problems like this from a laptop. The bios handles the cdrom until the OS takes over. The OS is in ram so it may not have the correct drivers for the hardware it just booted from. Pain in the A**. If it's SCSI you may need to load a module or do some lilo magic. Never had to mess with lilo boot time parameters though. amy tanner wrote: > Trying to install RH 7 from CD. Boots up fine, loads image, but then when I > tell it install media is CD, it says it can't find a RH CD in the cdrom. > But I am booting from the CD to start and it can read it to start the > install. Any ideas? > > Thanks. Maybe a little more info on the type of cdrom (and scsi card if scsi) would help. ? sim _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 13:18:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 dual-head and X 4.1.0 Message-ID: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> I know there's a few people on the list who can help me with this. I have a G400 and 2 monitors. the monitors are capable of 1600x1200. Can I get XFree86 4.1.0 to drive both monitors at 1600x1200, without installing the Matrox binaries? Dieman seemed to mention you can; with X 4.0.3 xfree86.org doesn't mention it, tho. :( google searches turn up nothing. I've set up dual-head before; but never with a multi-head card. seems to be simpler if the vid devices have different PCI IDs. dotfiles.org had an example config file; but it was for X 4.0.1, and the Matrox binaries; so I don't know how applicable it is. (one would think it should work...) I tried it; and get things like: (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag400 (WW) MGA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found (--) Chipset mgag400 found (--) Chipset mgag400 found (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. and later: Symbol vbeFree from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (--) MGA(0): 16 DWORD fifo (==) MGA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (II) MGA(0): [drm] bpp: 32 depth: 24 (II) MGA(0): [drm] Sarea 2200+664: 2864 modprobe: Can't locate module mga [drm] failed to load kernel module "mga" (II) MGA(0): [drm] drmOpen failed (EE) MGA(0): [drm] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. (and yes, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is there) I won't clutter the list with my x log and XF86Config-4 file; so they're here: http://copper.redchrome.org/~chrome/x.log http://copper.redchrome.org/~chrome/XF86Config-4 if anyone has any idea what I'm doing wrong, their advice would be appreciated. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From gozz at gozz.com Mon Jul 2 13:21:39 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing RH 7 In-Reply-To: <015a01c10309$6c768460$fc19a8c0@2ndswing.com> References: <015a01c10309$6c768460$fc19a8c0@2ndswing.com> Message-ID: I had troubles with the installer this weekend as well ... CDs that came with IDG RH 7.1 Bible. I did a partitionless install last week, went great, however when I did the real thing it put LILO in the MBR, which I didn't want. I went through the graphical installer to the last step two more times, thinking I had overlooked a checkbox on where to install LILO, but it just isn't there. So tried "expert" mode but installer popped into the graphical install mode at the point where I had to select what type of installation I wanted to do. I'm newer than new to this stuff, but actually can follow instructions quite well when I need to ... only thing I can think of about what I'm doing that could be tripping it up is that I'm trying to install on a second physical hard drive with no OS on it - unless I put a partition it previous to starting installer, Disk Druid doesn't see the drive ... maybe somewhere I have to tell it ... gee I dunno. Grr. -- - Erik Mattheis Apparently a Triple Scorpio. (612) 827 3963 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 13:23:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 10:00:59AM -0500 References: <3B4089A2.203A14E7@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <20010702132308.B13379@real-time.com> > I am doing this from memory of an old Redhat install I did (when "Redneck" > was still a language option, anyone remember?) "What kinda CD-ROM you got? [SCSI CD-ROM] [Crappy CD-ROM] "Floormattin' partishuns..." "Congratipashions! Yew is done!" I thought it was one of the coolest features of this new Linux thing... that the designers had enough of a sense of humor to do this. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jurupari at geocities.com Mon Jul 2 15:17:18 2001 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Mike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation Message-ID: <200107022017.f62KHP121196@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I am trying to find the right components for a new system and I could use a few suggestions. I know I would like a new video card, but I have no idea what would be a good choice for Windows gaming and Linux/X compatability. The last time I bought a card Diamond and STB were very popular. Both are long gone now. I was leaning towards something from the GeForce II line. I am not sure what the differences are between the MX 200/400, Pro, GTS, Ultra, etc. I found a little info. on the Nvidia site, but I didn't have hours to sift through it all. Also, what brands are good? I have come across a bunch - Leadtek, Visiontek, Asus, Abit, Creative, etc. There are two models I am looking at right now: ELSA GLADIAC 511 64MB AGP GEFORCE2 MX400 W/TV OUT $110 VISIONTEK GEFORCE2 MX400 64MB AGP 4X/2X W/TV OUT $150 Any opinions/advice? Thanks, Mike From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 15:20:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:18:22AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010702152046.P24350@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > Ok, I've seen weird things happening lately as M$ continues there quest > to own every mail server on the planet. I'm running Sendmail 8.9.3 (I > know, upgrade, yes, I know) and every time I send to @msn.com, > @hotmail.com, now @qwest.net, or any other MSN owned mail service sendmail > freezes for awhile. Usually about 5 to 10 min. My e-mail client of > choice, pine, sits on "Sending 0%" and then finally sends after I walk > down to the vending machine and back a few times. I think this is a blessing! Why do you want to send email to any of those domains in the first place? :-) What does your .mc file look like? Are you doing relaying via MX? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 2 15:29:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation In-Reply-To: <200107022017.f62KHP121196@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from jurupari@geocities.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 03:17:18PM -0500 References: <200107022017.f62KHP121196@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010702152949.A10033@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 03:17:18PM -0500, Mike wrote: >I am trying to find the right components for a new system and I could use a few >suggestions. I know I would like a new video card, but I have no idea what would be a >good choice for Windows gaming and Linux/X compatability. The last time I bought a >card Diamond and STB were very popular. Both are long gone now. > >I was leaning towards something from the GeForce II line. I am not sure what the >differences are between the MX 200/400, Pro, GTS, Ultra, etc. I found a little info. on >the Nvidia site, but I didn't have hours to sift through it all. > >Also, what brands are good? I have come across a bunch - Leadtek, Visiontek, Asus, >Abit, Creative, etc. There are two models I am looking at right now: >ELSA GLADIAC 511 64MB AGP GEFORCE2 MX400 W/TV OUT $110 >VISIONTEK GEFORCE2 MX400 64MB AGP 4X/2X W/TV OUT $150 > >Any opinions/advice? I just LOVE my GeForce2, I get 50+ fps in q3a and 55 to 60+ fps in tribes2 both at 1024x768 and they're VERY stable. Mine is an off brand GeForce2 made by cardex and it works great. > >Thanks, >Mike > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/8b1de021/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 2 15:42:09 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation In-Reply-To: <200107022017.f62KHP121196@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: If you want to do gaming, and have maximum compatibility with X and Windows, I would recommend either a Voodoo chipset or an nVidia chipset. Lately the nVidia's have been a little better in my opinion (the GeForce2 and up) but both Voodoo and nVidia have good support for GL in Linux. As long as you have a chipset you know, and a decent amount of memory on it, who makes it isn't really too big a deal. (Other than warrantee, availability, extra features, etc) I still have a TNT2 (32Mb on it) and it does just fine under Quake3 (I have seen better, but it does fine). I have troubles with DVDs being a little jerky, but that is also due to lack of CPU speed on my system. Some of the newer cards do have DVD decoding hardware on them, and there is some support for that in Linux, I know the Dxr2/3 works, and a few others. Something else to consider with newer video cards.. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:17 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation I am trying to find the right components for a new system and I could use a few suggestions. I know I would like a new video card, but I have no idea what would be a good choice for Windows gaming and Linux/X compatability. The last time I bought a card Diamond and STB were very popular. Both are long gone now. I was leaning towards something from the GeForce II line. I am not sure what the differences are between the MX 200/400, Pro, GTS, Ultra, etc. I found a little info. on the Nvidia site, but I didn't have hours to sift through it all. Also, what brands are good? I have come across a bunch - Leadtek, Visiontek, Asus, Abit, Creative, etc. There are two models I am looking at right now: ELSA GLADIAC 511 64MB AGP GEFORCE2 MX400 W/TV OUT $110 VISIONTEK GEFORCE2 MX400 64MB AGP 4X/2X W/TV OUT $150 Any opinions/advice? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 2 15:47:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation References: Message-ID: <00dc01c10338$4c02d330$3028680a@tgt.com> The ATI Radeon DDR boards are very good with Linux, and moderately priced as well. The drivers are open source with X, versus the nVidia drivers are binary only. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation > If you want to do gaming, and have maximum compatibility with X and Windows, > I would recommend either a Voodoo chipset or an nVidia chipset. Lately the > nVidia's have been a little better in my opinion (the GeForce2 and up) but > both Voodoo and nVidia have good support for GL in Linux. As long as you > have a chipset you know, and a decent amount of memory on it, who makes it > isn't really too big a deal. (Other than warrantee, availability, extra > features, etc) > > I still have a TNT2 (32Mb on it) and it does just fine under Quake3 (I have > seen better, but it does fine). I have troubles with DVDs being a little > jerky, but that is also due to lack of CPU speed on my system. Some of the > newer cards do have DVD decoding hardware on them, and there is some support > for that in Linux, I know the Dxr2/3 works, and a few others. Something > else to consider with newer video cards.. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:17 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation > > > I am trying to find the right components for a new system and I could use a > few > suggestions. I know I would like a new video card, but I have no idea what > would be a > good choice for Windows gaming and Linux/X compatability. The last time I > bought a > card Diamond and STB were very popular. Both are long gone now. > > I was leaning towards something from the GeForce II line. I am not sure what > the > differences are between the MX 200/400, Pro, GTS, Ultra, etc. I found a > little info. on > the Nvidia site, but I didn't have hours to sift through it all. > > Also, what brands are good? I have come across a bunch - Leadtek, > Visiontek, Asus, > Abit, Creative, etc. There are two models I am looking at right now: > ELSA GLADIAC 511 64MB AGP GEFORCE2 MX400 W/TV OUT $110 > VISIONTEK GEFORCE2 MX400 64MB AGP 4X/2X W/TV OUT $150 > > Any opinions/advice? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 16:04:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) Message-ID: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html I think this is just silly. I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 2 16:07:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN In-Reply-To: <20010702152046.P24350@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think this is a blessing! Why do you want to send email to any of those > domains in the first place? :-) My first reaction too, but since I do have friends that use Windows and now that linux using qwest.net users are forced to use MSN there you have it. :-( > What does your .mc file look like? It's at the end of this message > Are you doing relaying via MX? It appears not. As you can tell I left it pretty much alone, it worked out of the box so I'd rather not break it since this is a production server and my primary e-mail account is using it. What does this feature do? Does that enable by default any MX record pointed at me to override my /etc/mail/access file? While it'd make admin easier I'm assuming anyone could register an MX to spamwarehouse.com at my IP and start relaying til the server can relay no more. I'd guess it's commented out for that reason. -Brian -----------------------sendmail.mc------------------- include(`/usr/lib/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4') define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'') OSTYPE(`linux') MASQUERADE_AS(mydomain) undefine(`UUCP_RELAY') undefine(`BITNET_RELAY') define(`confAUTO_REBUILD') define(`confTO_CONNECT', `1m') define(`confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST',true) define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',true) define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail') FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh') FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') FEATURE(redirect) FEATURE(always_add_domain) FEATURE(use_cw_file) FEATURE(local_procmail) MAILER(procmail) MAILER(smtp) FEATURE(`access_db') FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients') dnl We strongly recommend to comment this one out if you want to protect dnl yourself from spam. However, the laptop and users on computers that do dnl not hav 24x7 DNS do need this. FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') dnl FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX') ----------------------------------------------------- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 16:08:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:04:04PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702160844.T27054@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html > > I think this is just silly. > > I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. > Wow! A ban on perl, what a crock. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 2 16:17:20 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:04:04PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702161720.A2376@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:04:04PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html > >I think this is just silly. Well, the GPL is particularly viral. But still who cares. It'll have sort of a martyring effect IMHO. idiots. I hope they wasted boatloads of cash on lawyer time for that piece of filth. > >I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/f2565c3f/attachment.pgp From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 2 16:26:57 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need video card recommendation In-Reply-To: <00dc01c10338$4c02d330$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: I recently picked up a GeForce3 myself. It's yummy. If gaming is your primiary thing, GeForce2 or GeForce3 is the only way to go. GeForce2 w/ TwinView is a decent dual head soultion as well. Good: What competition Bad: biniary only drivers If DVD playback is more important than gaming, hard to beat the Radeon. Good: Superb DVD playback, excelent video capture with the All In Wonder (dunno if it works under linux.) Open Source Drivers. Bad: The Radeon is a great card, but the GeForce2 (MX?) was released just after and gave a better bang for buck in the 3D world. If super sharp 2D is your thing, Matrox G450 (maybe with dual head.) Good: Can't beat 2D on a Matrox card. Open Source Drivers. Bad: 3D has always been behind the curve with Matrox cards. Don't bother with a Vodoo card anymore. Everything blows them out of the water. Bash Nvidia's drivers all you want for being closed source. The bottem line is that they are the best. In the end, a GeForce will out last anything else, followed closely by a Radeon. G450's are allready slow, but still kick ass in they're own way. I'm totally happy with my GeForce3, TNT2 Ultra for sale. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From wilson at visi.com Mon Jul 2 17:23:01 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Twin Cities Zope/Python Users Group open for business Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm not sure how many people will be interested, but I thought I'd announce that a local Zope/Python Users Group has formed. You can check out a quick Web page at http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug/ for details and instructions on subscribing to our mailing list. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 18:52:57 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 dual-head and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> References: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702185257.4e5fb48e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I know there's a few people on the list who can help me with this. > I have a G400 and 2 monitors. the monitors are capable of 1600x1200. > Can I get XFree86 4.1.0 to drive both monitors at 1600x1200, without > installing the Matrox binaries? Well, I'd be surprised if you could do that -- I think the second head on the G400 can only go up to about 1280x1024. From what I've heard, you should be able to do it with 4.1.0 without the Matrox drivers. > dotfiles.org had an example config file; but it was for X 4.0.1, and the > Matrox binaries; so I don't know how applicable it is. (one would think > it should work...) > I tried it; and get things like: > (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, > mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag400 > (WW) MGA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) > found > (--) Chipset mgag400 found > (--) Chipset mgag400 found > (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. Run `lspci' or `cat /proc/pci' to find the PCI id of your card. It probably isn't 1:0:0 for some reason. Make sure to change it in both Screen sections. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Very funny, Scotty. Now / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ beam down my clothes." \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/66fc263b/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jul 2 19:10:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010702191012.14fc01ec.blayer@qwest.net> If anyone wants a copy of Slackware 8.0 INSTALL or EXTRAS CD, let me know. Bring your own media and SAVE BIG ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Mon Jul 2 19:27:58 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming the merciless) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems Message-ID: OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, and I keep getting kernel panics saying Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. Jason From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 19:31:59 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 dual-head and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010702185257.4e5fb48e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 06:52:57PM -0500 References: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> <20010702185257.4e5fb48e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010702193159.B10969@real-time.com> > Well, I'd be surprised if you could do that -- I think the second head on > the G400 can only go up to about 1280x1024. From what I've heard, you > should be able to do it with 4.1.0 without the Matrox drivers. hmmm, you could be right. I've got it working now, with the matrox binaries. I'm going to try going back to the stock binaries, and see what I can do. i've got it at 1280x1024@75Hz right now. > Run `lspci' or `cat /proc/pci' to find the PCI id of your card. It > probably isn't 1:0:0 for some reason. Make sure to change it in both > Screen sections. yep. it's actually 1:0:0 I think the problem I had, was that the example from dotfiles.org was specifying 'Screen 1' and 'Screen 2' in the driver section; and I've got it working with Screens 0 & 1. I also think I've heard that one can't use DRI on the second head. OpenGL certainly isn't working right now; but I know nothing about OpenGL configuration... argh. why don't they build this crap right? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 19:42:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 dual-head and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010702193159.B10969@real-time.com> References: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> <20010702185257.4e5fb48e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010702193159.B10969@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702194225.242e8d61.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I also think I've heard that one can't use DRI on the second head. > OpenGL certainly isn't working right now; but I know nothing about > OpenGL configuration... Are you running Xinerama? If so, DRI probably won't work at all. I think it works on both heads if you run them independently (:0.0 and :0.1), though. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why doesn't Tarzan have a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ beard? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/ea95c204/attachment.pgp From nate at techie.com Mon Jul 2 19:47:48 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: ; from ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:27:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010702194748.A13647@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:27:58PM -0500, Ming the merciless wrote: > OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > and I keep getting kernel panics saying > > Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. This means that the kernel was able to mount the root partition but it could not find /bin/init. This could be that you tried to boot from the wrong partition. Double-check your lilo.conf and make sure you run lilo. Nate From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 20:23:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Kodak and MS Message-ID: <20010702202327.6d4e28a6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Saw this on ZDNN and thought it was interesting: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2781900,00.html Microsoft seems to be going a bit nuts with the bundling thing. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Most people feel that / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everyone is entitled to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) their opinion. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/552a54f4/attachment.pgp From skoop at altern.org Mon Jul 2 21:06:34 2001 From: skoop at altern.org (skoop@altern.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Versa sx trident & xfree86 Message-ID: <200107030222.f632MZK04744@sprite.real-time.com> i have a problem to configure my card under xfree86 3.3.6 Can you send me your config file ? Same if you have xfree86 4.0 ... thank you skoop P.S: sorry for my bad english (i'm french) From paulw at elpaso.net Mon Jul 2 21:51:53 2001 From: paulw at elpaso.net (Paul Wiechman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems References: Message-ID: <3B413349.CA0FBE07@elpaso.net> It would be helpfull if you posted your lilo.conf also. Paul Ming the merciless wrote: > > OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > and I keep getting kernel panics saying > > Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 2 21:55:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 dual-head and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010702194225.242e8d61.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:42:25PM -0500 References: <20010702131800.A13379@real-time.com> <20010702185257.4e5fb48e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010702193159.B10969@real-time.com> <20010702194225.242e8d61.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010702215539.H13741@real-time.com> > Are you running Xinerama? If so, DRI probably won't work at all. I think > it works on both heads if you run them independently (:0.0 and :0.1), > though. really? huh. ok. not much point in multihead without xinerama, tho. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From greg at guigeeks.com Mon Jul 2 23:02:50 2001 From: greg at guigeeks.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> If the nature of a virus is to prohibit users from productivity, which OS is more viral in nature? Linux or Windows? Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html > > I think this is just silly. > > I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. > From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Mon Jul 2 16:58:26 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems Message-ID: <200107022158.f62LwQc00862@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Here is my lilo.conf # LILO configuration file # generated by 'liloconfig' # # Start LILO global section append="init=/dev/sda1" boot = /dev/sda #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. # delay = 5 vga = normal # force sane state # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting # End LILO global section # Linux bootable partition config begins image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/sda1 label = Linux read-only # Non-UMSDOS filesystems should be mounted read-only for checking # Linux bootable partition config ends >It would be helpfull if you posted your lilo.conf also. > >Paul > > >Ming the merciless wrote: >> >> OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, >> and I keep getting kernel panics saying >> >> Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. >> >> I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option >> its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. >> >> Jason >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From swalkup at isd.net Mon Jul 2 22:13:27 2001 From: swalkup at isd.net (swalkup@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: <20010702191012.14fc01ec.blayer@qwest.net> References: Message-ID: <3B40F207.26024.1945CE@localhost> I would love one... I would also give 5 blanks for 1 copy, so more can enjoy the pleasure that is slack. Did the alpha stuff get on the 8.0 release? Last I noticed, it was still beta. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On 2 Jul 2001, at 19:10, Bill Layer wrote: > If anyone wants a copy of Slackware 8.0 INSTALL or EXTRAS CD, let me > know. > > > Bring your own media and SAVE BIG ;) > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 22:17:46 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS through ipchains Message-ID: <20010702221746.A31245@blackice.localdomain> So RedHat 7.1 comes with ipchains installed and active by default. How does one go about mounting NFS filesystems through a firewall? If I run netstat -c and repeatedly try to mount a filesystem, the mount request seems to be going out on a relatively random port somewhere between about 600 and 900. If I don't what port it's going to use, how do I know what to let through? Is it even possible to get NFS going through a firewall? Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Mon Jul 2 22:28:44 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Self-Certifying Filesystem Message-ID: A friend of mine (who lives in New Hampshire) and I are looking for an easy way to share mp3^H^H^H...uh, recipes. If security wasn't a problem, we'd just export NFS shares to each other -- a bit slow (despite both of us having broadband), but very convenient. I found some info about the Self-Certifying Filesystem (info at http://www.fs.net/ ), which seems to be exactly what we want. Has anyone else used this? Is this a sane and secure way to share our "recipes"? Dan From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 23:11:31 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: <200107022158.f62LwQc00862@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > Here is my lilo.conf > > # LILO configuration file > # generated by 'liloconfig' > # > # Start LILO global section > append="init=/dev/sda1" ^^^^^^^^^^ I would actually take this whole line out, but the underlined portion is your problem. This should be a path in the FS of the root partition if you specify it at all. (ie. init=/sbin/init or init=/bin/bash) > boot = /dev/sda > #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. > # delay = 5 > vga = normal # force sane state > # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting > # End LILO global section > # Linux bootable partition config begins > image = /vmlinuz > root = /dev/sda1 > label = Linux > read-only # Non-UMSDOS filesystems should be mounted read-only for checking > # Linux bootable partition config ends > > > >It would be helpfull if you posted your lilo.conf also. > > > >Paul > > > > > >Ming the merciless wrote: > >> > >> OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > >> and I keep getting kernel panics saying > >> > >> Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > >> > >> I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > >> its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 2 22:59:50 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: ; from ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:27:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010702225950.A12934@thor> I had this problem a long time ago when I was using SuSE. I seem to remember the cause being an unbootable / partition, so I had to create an MBR to boot from. I am pulling this from memory, so try everything else first *please* On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:27:58PM -0500, Ming the merciless wrote: > > > OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > and I keep getting kernel panics saying > > Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. > > > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 2 23:13:27 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:11:31PM -0500 References: <200107022158.f62LwQc00862@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <20010702231327.A21368@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:11:31PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > > Here is my lilo.conf > > > > # LILO configuration file > > # generated by 'liloconfig' > > # > > # Start LILO global section > > append="init=/dev/sda1" > ^^^^^^^^^^ > I would actually take this whole line out, but the underlined portion is > your problem. This should be a path in the FS of the root partition if you > specify it at all. (ie. init=/sbin/init or init=/bin/bash) There should not be any init='' line for a normal boot. > > boot = /dev/sda > > #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. > > # delay = 5 > > vga = normal # force sane state > > # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting > > # End LILO global section > > # Linux bootable partition config begins > > image = /vmlinuz > > root = /dev/sda1 > > label = Linux > > read-only # Non-UMSDOS filesystems should be mounted read-only for checking > > >> OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > > >> and I keep getting kernel panics saying > > >> > > >> Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > >> > > >> I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > > >> its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. It might also mean that your root partition is toasted. Try booting with a rescue floppy and do a fsck on /dev/sda1. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dante at plethora.net Mon Jul 2 23:37:54 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: <200107022158.f62LwQc00862@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah, immediate workaround: LILO: linux init=/sbin/init On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > Here is my lilo.conf > > # LILO configuration file > # generated by 'liloconfig' > # > # Start LILO global section > append="init=/dev/sda1" > boot = /dev/sda > #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. > # delay = 5 > vga = normal # force sane state > # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting > # End LILO global section > # Linux bootable partition config begins > image = /vmlinuz > root = /dev/sda1 > label = Linux > read-only # Non-UMSDOS filesystems should be mounted read-only for checking > # Linux bootable partition config ends > > > >It would be helpfull if you posted your lilo.conf also. > > > >Paul > > > > > >Ming the merciless wrote: > >> > >> OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > >> and I keep getting kernel panics saying > >> > >> Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > >> > >> I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > >> its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 2 23:18:20 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010702160844.T27054@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:08:44PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <20010702160844.T27054@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010702231820.B12934@thor> But Bob, Microsoft is sharing the source for *two key tools*!!! cut AND paste!!! On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:08:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html > > > > I think this is just silly. > > > > I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. > > > > Wow! A ban on perl, what a crock. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jul 2 23:25:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: <3B40F207.26024.1945CE@localhost> References: <3B40F207.26024.1945CE@localhost> Message-ID: <20010702232512.4d3d4a2b.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:13:27 -0500 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > I would love one... I would also give 5 blanks for 1 copy, so more > can enjoy the pleasure that is slack. Sounds fine, give me a call 651.293.1861 -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 2 23:30:08 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UDF? Message-ID: <20010702233008.5c07ffec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Has anyone played with UDF support in Linux? Can you successfully write to CD-R[W]s? I know I've been able to read some UDF stuff, but I haven't played with writing. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If olive oil comes from / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ olives, where does baby \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) oil come from? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010702/730cab19/attachment.pgp From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 00:27:09 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] icewm Message-ID: <3B4157AD.6070503@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone here use icewm? If so, I could use a little help. I have used icepref to customize a little, and I set the mouse buttons to open menus when clicked on the background, but it just doesn't seem to work. I checked the $HOME/.icewm/preferences file and it is set correctly, but nothing happens when I click on the desktop. Thanks in advance. -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minnapolis, MN 55413 (612) 331-4125 chri0704@tc.umn.edu From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 00:36:01 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] icewm References: <3B4157AD.6070503@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B4159C1.1000007@tc.umn.edu> Never mind. I figured out what the problem was. -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minnapolis, MN 55413 (612) 331-4125 chri0704@tc.umn.edu From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jul 3 02:04:20 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Self-Certifying Filesystem References: Message-ID: <3B416E74.DBB48FD4@haxxed.com> Dan Drake wrote: > > A friend of mine (who lives in New Hampshire) and I are looking for an > easy way to share mp3^H^H^H...uh, recipes. > > If security wasn't a problem, we'd just export NFS shares to each other > -- a bit slow (despite both of us having broadband), but very convenient. > > I found some info about the Self-Certifying Filesystem (info at > http://www.fs.net/ ), which seems to be exactly what we want. Has anyone > else used this? Is this a sane and secure way to share our "recipes"? Just use an FTP server. Its the easiest way. ;P From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 04:19:37 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:07:22PM -0500 References: <20010702152046.P24350@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010703041937.N21526@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > My first reaction too, but since I do have friends that use Windows and > now that linux using qwest.net users are forced to use MSN there you have > it. :-( Switch to a linux-friendly ISP. :-) > > Are you doing relaying via MX? > What does this feature do? relay_based_on_MX Turns on the ability to allow relaying based on the MX records of the host portion of an incoming recipient; that is, if an MX record for host foo.com points to your site, you will accept and relay mail addressed to foo.com. See description below for more information before using this feature. Also, see the KNOWNBUGS entry regarding bestmx map lookups. Make sure your .cf is up to date with your .mc? I also found around the 8.9 series that a certain order of the .mc entries needed to happen. For instance, defines must come before other things because they 'active' features. I don't know if this was a bug or what, but this is my order: includes defines MAILERs MASQs FEATUREs So more things around and rebuild your .cf I also cannot recommend this enough. Activate MAPS, if not for your users then for my users :-) FEATURE(dnsbl, `rbl.maps.vix.com', `Mail from $&{client_addr} Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/')dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `dialups.mail-abuse.org', `Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/')dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `relays.mail-abuse.org', `Open spam relay at $&{client_addr} - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/')dnl FEATURE(`delay_checks')dnl Also, so some security be obscurity and prevent user harvesting: define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS',`goaway')dnl define(`confSMTP_LOGIN_MSG', `$j server ready at $b')dnl Or, just grab Real Time's sendmail rpm :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Tue Jul 3 04:49:30 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You shouldn't have to include that line anyway. The kernel looks for a few things by default. From nate at techie.com Tue Jul 3 07:40:19 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] icewm In-Reply-To: <3B4157AD.6070503@tc.umn.edu>; from chri0704@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:27:09AM -0500 References: <3B4157AD.6070503@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010703074019.A4514@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:27:09AM -0500, Hans Christianson wrote: > Does anyone here use icewm? If so, I could use a little help. I have > used icepref to customize a little, and I set the mouse buttons to open > menus when clicked on the background, but it just doesn't seem to work. > I checked the $HOME/.icewm/preferences file and it is set correctly, but > nothing happens when I click on the desktop. Thanks in advance. I'm probably the only other person in the cities that uses it, but I love it. Did you restart icewm? Hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, Restart icewm. You don't have to close anything down, all of your windows will remain open and on the right desktop. You need to do this after any changes to your config files. Nate From richard at elsberry-web.com Tue Jul 3 08:10:20 2001 From: richard at elsberry-web.com (Richard Elsberry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 References: <200107030313.f633D4K06195@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B41C43B.AA13E581@elsberry-web.com> > Sorry to post this again. I couple of people responded but I think they somehow > got mixed with another question on installing RH7 and CD-ROMS. I am a digest > subscriber so maybe that's it. My problem is naming host name "Bravo" which is > my preference. Both text and gui installs will allow you to enter a host name > during installation but you still end up with localhost. Anybody know a way > around this... or how to change it after initialization? I've heard the later is > quite difficult. Thanks, Richard From dante at plethora.net Tue Jul 3 08:53:16 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > You shouldn't have to include that line anyway. The kernel looks for a few > things by default. > The boot line is to counteract the line in /etc/lilo.conf long enough to remove or fix it. > >From memory (in order, check um... main.c I think): > > /sbin/init > /etc/init > /bin/sh > /etc/sh > > And you guys should be using /bin/sh instead of hardcoding /bin/bash. What > if you wanted to switch the Korn or c shell? Obviously some scripts use > shell specific features but that's not most stuff - especially the boot > loader. /bin/sh is supposed to be a symlink the the shell of your choice. You are correct about /bin/sh, it is just normally a symlink to /bin/bash. MANY scripts break if you symlink /bin/sh to a non-Bourne compatible shell. (bash, ash, BSD sh) Ideally you should have /bin/sash staticly linked for emergencies (has almost everything you could use in a recovery built-in). > > Josh > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > Oh yeah, immediate workaround: > > LILO: linux init=/sbin/init > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > > > > Here is my lilo.conf > > > > > > # LILO configuration file > > > # generated by 'liloconfig' > > > # > > > # Start LILO global section > > > append="init=/dev/sda1" > > > boot = /dev/sda > > > #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. > > > # delay = 5 > > > vga = normal # force sane state > > > # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting > > > # End LILO global section > > > # Linux bootable partition config begins > > > image = /vmlinuz > > > root = /dev/sda1 > > > label = Linux > > > read-only # Non-UMSDOS filesystems should be mounted read-only for checking > > > # Linux bootable partition config ends > > > > > > > > > >It would be helpfull if you posted your lilo.conf also. > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >Ming the merciless wrote: > > > >> > > > >> OK not really sure what I am missing here but I compile a kernel, 2.2.18, > > > >> and I keep getting kernel panics saying > > > >> > > > >> Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > > >> > > > >> I take it this is a line I should add to lilo.conf but not sure what option > > > >> its talking about. Any info would be appreciated. > > > >> > > > >> Jason > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> tclug-list mailing list > > > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >tclug-list mailing list > > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 3 09:09:47 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B41C43B.AA13E581@elsberry-web.com> References: <200107030313.f633D4K06195@sprite.real-time.com> <3B41C43B.AA13E581@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <01070309094701.01479@usurper> On Tuesday 03 July 2001 08:10 am, you wrote: > > Sorry to post this again. I couple of people responded but I think they > > somehow got mixed with another question on installing RH7 and CD-ROMS. I > > am a digest subscriber so maybe that's it. My problem is naming host name > > "Bravo" which is my preference. Both text and gui installs will allow you > > to enter a host name during installation but you still end up with > > localhost. Anybody know a way around this... or how to change it after > > initialization? I've heard the later is quite difficult. > Thanks, Richard I am by no means a "Linux guru". I have had luck with this command in a bash shell. hostname bravo You can also do; domainname applause.tv This may not be the best way, but it does work. Granted, I have had some issues with renaming the computer after installation. I have been alternating between SuSE and RH for the past 6 months. I am leaning more towards RH at the moment. So things that work in SuSE don't necessarily work in RH and vice versa. I think that has been part of alot of my problems. Anyway, I have had both success and trouble with the above commands. But you know what, it's fun to break your box. > > -- deltree c:\windows /y From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 3 08:42:16 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Potato network install CD Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've seen a Debian install CD that's designed to do a network install and contains virtually every driver that you could ever need. The CD has about 35 MB of data on it. Does anyone know where I could find an iso for that on the 'net? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 3 08:50:04 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <01070309094701.01479@usurper> Message-ID: A lot of people have been posting about the hostname command. Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't that command only affect the current setup with redhat? Since it keeps the hostname in a config file in /etc/sysconfig/network (I think) it will use that every time it boots. If you want to change it for reboots, I believe you also need to have it changed in that script. Just changing that script will not affect your system at that point: you could run `hostname bravo` at this point, or reboot if you like it the M$ way. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of AAAunderground Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:10 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 On Tuesday 03 July 2001 08:10 am, you wrote: > > Sorry to post this again. I couple of people responded but I think they > > somehow got mixed with another question on installing RH7 and CD-ROMS. I > > am a digest subscriber so maybe that's it. My problem is naming host name > > "Bravo" which is my preference. Both text and gui installs will allow you > > to enter a host name during installation but you still end up with > > localhost. Anybody know a way around this... or how to change it after > > initialization? I've heard the later is quite difficult. > Thanks, Richard I am by no means a "Linux guru". I have had luck with this command in a bash shell. hostname bravo You can also do; domainname applause.tv This may not be the best way, but it does work. Granted, I have had some issues with renaming the computer after installation. I have been alternating between SuSE and RH for the past 6 months. I am leaning more towards RH at the moment. So things that work in SuSE don't necessarily work in RH and vice versa. I think that has been part of alot of my problems. Anyway, I have had both success and trouble with the above commands. But you know what, it's fun to break your box. > > -- deltree c:\windows /y _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ssinn at qwest.net Tue Jul 3 08:57:21 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: <20010702191012.14fc01ec.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:10:12PM -0500 References: <20010702191012.14fc01ec.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010703085721.A13235@thor> I would love to get a copy on CD. I will give you 2 blank CD's for a copy or whatever else you may like to barter. I wish the Linux Distros (Red Hat, Slackware, SuSE et al) would get a clue. It is cheaper for a lot of people to just download their favorite linux than to spend $20-$30-$40-$50 on a bundle. I wish they had a contributions option in their stores so I could drop them $5-$10-whatever every time I download. Anybody else remember the *contributions* section at http://www.linuxmall.com ? On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:10:12PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > If anyone wants a copy of Slackware 8.0 INSTALL or EXTRAS CD, let me know. > > > Bring your own media and SAVE BIG ;) > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 3 09:05:27 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Potato network install CD In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:42:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010703160527.B5199@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:42:16AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've seen a Debian install CD that's designed to do a network install and > contains virtually every driver that you could ever need. The CD has about > 35 MB of data on it. Does anyone know where I could find an iso for that on > the 'net? http://www.debian.org/News/2001/20010125 is this what you're thinking about? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jul 3 09:10:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com>; from greg@guigeeks.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:02:50PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> Message-ID: <20010703091053.A1659@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:02:50PM -0500, Greg Rolling wrote: >If the nature of a virus is to prohibit users from productivity, which >OS is more viral in nature? Linux or Windows? It's not the software that's viral, it's the license. The term "viral" is synonymous with infectious. > >Bob Tanner wrote: >> >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.html >> >> I think this is just silly. >> >> I hope they ban GPL stuff on NT next, then they can really piss people off. >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010703/a41c844a/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jul 3 09:12:32 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Self-Certifying Filesystem In-Reply-To: ; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:28:44PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010703091232.B1659@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:28:44PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > A friend of mine (who lives in New Hampshire) and I are looking for an >easy way to share mp3^H^H^H...uh, recipes. rsync run as nightly cron jobs. > > If security wasn't a problem, we'd just export NFS shares to each other >-- a bit slow (despite both of us having broadband), but very convenient. > > I found some info about the Self-Certifying Filesystem (info at >http://www.fs.net/ ), which seems to be exactly what we want. Has anyone >else used this? Is this a sane and secure way to share our "recipes"? > > Dan > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010703/859b9120/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 3 09:16:36 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UDF? In-Reply-To: <20010702233008.5c07ffec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:30:08PM -0500 References: <20010702233008.5c07ffec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010703091636.A7507@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:30:08PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone played with UDF support in Linux? Can you successfully write > to CD-R[W]s? I know I've been able to read some UDF stuff, but I haven't > played with writing. > Highly experimental. http://packet-cd.sourceforge.net florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 3 09:26:43 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Potato network install CD In-Reply-To: <20010703160527.B5199@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:42:16AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I've seen a Debian install CD that's designed to do a network install and > > contains virtually every driver that you could ever need. The CD has about > > 35 MB of data on it. Does anyone know where I could find an iso for that on > > the 'net? > > http://www.debian.org/News/2001/20010125 > > is this what you're thinking about? I think that's just for the telemetry box. (Which looks cool, BTW.) I've seen a more general version that installs a regular Debian system. The CD basically contains the kernel and oodles of drivers. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Jul 3 10:35:57 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can onlyhope) Message-ID: >>> blutgens@sistina.com 07/03/01 09:10AM >>> >>On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:02:50PM -0500, Greg Rolling wrote: >>If the nature of a virus is to prohibit users from productivity, which >>OS is more viral in nature? Linux or Windows? >It's not the software that's viral, it's the license. That is a matter of opinion. ;-) >The term "viral" is synonymous with infectious. viral - caused by a virus. virus - venom, poison, causative agent of an infectious disease. infectious - causing infection. infection - establishment of a pathogen in its host, affecting injury. But I think they would really like to infer: contagious - communicable by contact. contagion - a contagious disease, poison. plague - epidemic disease, calamity, disastrous evil. But I guess we will have to wait for that, probably reserved for a later stage: "The GPL is a plague of locusts" - Bill "The GPL will blot out the sun" - Steve "The GPL will kill your first born son" - Craig From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 10:50:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: <20010703085721.A13235@thor> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > I would love to get a copy on CD. I will give you 2 blank CD's for a copy or whatever else > you may like to barter. > > I wish the Linux Distros (Red Hat, Slackware, SuSE > et al) would get a clue. It is cheaper for a lot of people to just > download their favorite linux than to spend $20-$30-$40-$50 on a > bundle. Well, you're still paying for bandwidth, that's all. Latency is high, but it compares well with the old benchmark of "Mag tape and a pickup truck." :) But printing manuals ain't cheap either -- especially when you and your customers would like them to look/read better than, say, the RedHat 5.2 books. I don't think it's a matter of cluefulness, nor do I think those sales are where they make their $$. > I wish they had a contributions option in their stores so I could drop > them $5-$10-whatever every time I download. Anybody else remember the > *contributions* section at http://www.linuxmall.com ? thinking> Well, it wouldn't cost anything extra to do that. That sounds like something that is stupid *not* to do, unless some marketing puke has said "It gives us the image of begging -- better lose it." > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:10:12PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > If anyone wants a copy of Slackware 8.0 INSTALL or EXTRAS CD, let me know. > > > > > > Bring your own media and SAVE BIG ;) > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 11:01:44 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS through ipchains In-Reply-To: <20010702221746.A31245@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > So RedHat 7.1 comes with ipchains installed and active by default. How > does one go about mounting NFS filesystems through a firewall? If I run > netstat -c and repeatedly try to mount a filesystem, the mount request > seems to be going out on a relatively random port somewhere between about > 600 and 900. If I don't what port it's going to use, how do I know what to > let through? Is it even possible to get NFS going through a firewall? Isn't that fairly nasty security wise? I thought you'd want to do VPN for that sort of thing. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 3 11:15:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail vs MSN In-Reply-To: <20010703041937.N21526@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Switch to a linux-friendly ISP. :-) Note to all friends and family using msn, hotmail, or qwest: please discontinue your service and sign on with a linux friendly ISP. Umm... not an option Bob, sorry :-) > Make sure your .cf is up to date with your .mc? I've rebuilt it a lot recently > I also found around the 8.9 series that a certain order of the .mc entries > needed to happen. For instance, defines must come before other things because > they 'active' features. > > I don't know if this was a bug or what, but this is my order: > > includes > defines > MAILERs > MASQs > FEATUREs Yup, I'll have to try this. Maybe that'll help. > Or, just grab Real Time's sendmail rpm :-) If all else fails, that's what I shall do. What's exciting about your RPM? Just a different default .mc? -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 3 11:45:30 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet Message-ID: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> Hi, Anybody has any experience with using this router with the Minnesota Att Roadrunner cable? Will it actually work? I read somewhere that MN rr services are different than other places and if true, does that affect the use of the above router? thanks Thomas -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From patrick at hamletmachine.com Tue Jul 3 11:50:29 2001 From: patrick at hamletmachine.com (Patrick Knoll) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List question Message-ID: <005001c103e0$4837d220$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> I'm trying to change my settings for the list and my password (several of them) isn't working. Who can I talk to about getting it reset? From esper at genma.sherohman.org Tue Jul 3 11:57:09 2001 From: esper at genma.sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List question In-Reply-To: <005001c103e0$4837d220$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com>; from patrick@hamletmachine.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:50:29AM -0500 References: <005001c103e0$4837d220$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> Message-ID: <20010703115709.E14581@genma.sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:50:29AM -0500, Patrick Knoll wrote: > I'm trying to change my settings for the list and my password (several of > them) isn't working. Who can I talk to about getting it reset? Go to the list web site (URL in the footer of this message), enter your address, and hit the 'email my password to me' button. From patrick at hamletmachine.com Tue Jul 3 12:03:22 2001 From: patrick at hamletmachine.com (Patrick Knoll) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List question References: <005001c103e0$4837d220$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> <20010703115709.E14581@genma.sherohman.org> Message-ID: <005b01c103e2$169aa3d0$697a5ca8@tk.wec.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:57 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] List question > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:50:29AM -0500, Patrick Knoll wrote: > > I'm trying to change my settings for the list and my password (several of > > them) isn't working. Who can I talk to about getting it reset? > > Go to the list web site (URL in the footer of this message), enter your > address, and hit the 'email my password to me' button. Hehehe. Thanks for pointing out that I'm an idiot. =) (Sometimes I DO need help with that... although I do a pretty good job with it most of the time...) From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Jul 3 12:14:08 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS through ipchains References: Message-ID: <3B41FD60.10001@talkware.net> The NFS daemon usually runs on port 2048, I dont know if it opens another port per mount request. The NFS client will use the first available port just like any other client. If the client ports are higher than 1024 then you will have to use the "(insecure)" option on the exported directory. I am not sure if you can NFS mount through a MASQ either. Not much help, sorry. Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > >>So RedHat 7.1 comes with ipchains installed and active by default. How >>does one go about mounting NFS filesystems through a firewall? If I run >>netstat -c and repeatedly try to mount a filesystem, the mount request >>seems to be going out on a relatively random port somewhere between about >>600 and 900. If I don't what port it's going to use, how do I know what to >>let through? Is it even possible to get NFS going through a firewall? >> > >Isn't that fairly nasty security wise? I thought you'd want to do VPN for >that sort of thing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010703/4bcd6ac5/attachment.htm From paul.wiechman at orgcon.com Tue Jul 3 12:20:53 2001 From: paul.wiechman at orgcon.com (Paul Wiechman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19" racks be obtained locally? References: <3B41FD60.10001@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3B41FEF5.5C4A3680@orgcon.com> All, I know someone asked about rack shelving prior, but I was wondering where I could pick up a 19" rack locally. Paul From nate at techie.com Tue Jul 3 12:30:35 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet In-Reply-To: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 06:45:30PM +0200 References: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010703123035.A12194@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 06:45:30PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Anybody has any experience with using this router with the Minnesota Att > Roadrunner cable? Will it actually work? I built myself an OpenBSD router and it works just fine with AT&T RR. I think the difference you are referring to is that they want the MAC address of the card you're using. Then you just use DHCP to get an address and you're all set. I'm not experienced with the router you're referring to. Nate From brian at ghostreactor.com Tue Jul 3 12:32:49 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19" racks be obtained locally? In-Reply-To: <3B41FEF5.5C4A3680@orgcon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Paul Wiechman wrote: > All, > > I know someone asked about rack shelving prior, but I was wondering > where I could pick up a 19" rack locally. ^----- insert strip club joke here > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 3 12:44:19 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet In-Reply-To: <20010703123035.A12194@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:30:35PM -0500 References: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> <20010703123035.A12194@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010703194419.E5199@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 06:45:30PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Anybody has any experience with using this router with the Minnesota Att > > Roadrunner cable? Will it actually work? > > I built myself an OpenBSD router and it works just fine with AT&T RR. > I think the difference you are referring to is that they want the MAC > address of the card you're using. Then you just use DHCP to get an > address and you're all set. > > I'm not experienced with the router you're referring to. Thanks, I just want to make sure it works and I don't really feel like having an extra box being turned on to have access for two other machines. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From paul.wiechman at orgcon.com Tue Jul 3 12:46:55 2001 From: paul.wiechman at orgcon.com (Paul Wiechman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19" racks be obtained locally? References: Message-ID: <3B42050F.827709B2@orgcon.com> Funny. If that were the case I would have to increase the size of my request. Paul Brian Riesgraf wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Paul Wiechman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I know someone asked about rack shelving prior, but I was wondering > > where I could pick up a 19" rack locally. > > ^----- insert strip club joke here > > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From richard at elsberry-web.com Tue Jul 3 13:07:32 2001 From: richard at elsberry-web.com (Richard Elsberry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com> > Thanks Jay, this worked. I tried searching the archives but didn't find anything there. Gee, I wonder why linuxconf (which, BTW, doesn't automatically install in 7.1) couldn't make the change?! > > > A lot of people have been posting about the hostname command. Please > correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't that command only affect the current > setup with redhat? Since it keeps the hostname in a config file in > /etc/sysconfig/network (I think) it will use that every time it boots. If > you want to change it for reboots, I believe you also need to have it > changed in that script. Just changing that script will not affect your > system at that point: you could run `hostname bravo` at this point, or > reboot if you like it the M$ way. > > Jay From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 13:08:42 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com>; from richard@elsberry-web.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:07:32PM -0500 References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <20010703130842.A31929@blackice.localdomain> > Thanks Jay, this worked. I tried searching the archives but didn't find > anything there. Gee, I wonder why linuxconf (which, BTW, doesn't automatically > install in 7.1) couldn't make the change?! Linuxconf is junk. To change your network config, you should be running the command "setup", then choosing "Network configuration". Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 13:11:10 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010703130842.A31929@blackice.localdomain>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:08:42PM -0500 References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com> <20010703130842.A31929@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:08:42PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > > Thanks Jay, this worked. I tried searching the archives but didn't find > > anything there. Gee, I wonder why linuxconf (which, BTW, doesn't automatically > > install in 7.1) couldn't make the change?! > > Linuxconf is junk. To change your network config, you should be running > the command "setup", then choosing "Network configuration". Hmm... Ignore me. Apparently you can only set ip/netmask/dsn/etc there. not hostname. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 3 13:28:28 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: > > Linuxconf is junk. To change your network config, you should be running > > the command "setup", then choosing "Network configuration". > > Hmm... Ignore me. Apparently you can only set ip/netmask/dsn/etc there. > not hostname. As someone already mentioned, the file /etc/sysconfig/network has a HOSTNAME= line in it. That's all that linuxconf changes. If you don't like the UI, then edit that file by hand. However you must also ensure that your /etc/hosts contains consistent information. Andy From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 3 13:27:31 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> <20010703130842.A31929@blackice.localdomain> <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: <01070313273102.11169@friday.tarsk.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2001 1:11 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:08:42PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > > > Thanks Jay, this worked. I tried searching the archives but didn't find > > > anything there. Gee, I wonder why linuxconf (which, BTW, doesn't > > > automatically install in 7.1) couldn't make the change?! > > > > Linuxconf is junk. To change your network config, you should be running > > the command "setup", then choosing "Network configuration". > > Hmm... Ignore me. Apparently you can only set ip/netmask/dsn/etc there. > not hostname. Well, linuxconf is a Good Idea, but I would think most people using Linux would want to eventuly know what is going on with their system so that they could easily change something. For example, the hostname. I have been using Linux for quite some time now, and finally feel the need to break away from the distros. They are great and all, but if you really want your system to run the way you want it to, and no other way, you should build your own. The automatic confisuration of everything is too inflexable, because they want it to work for the greatest number of people. And at a begining or intermediate stage, this is fine. But if you want flexibility, they cant do it for you. For the last 2 years, I have used Slackware and Mandrake, and when I did, I never used the tools they had to configure things. I did it my own way. It was just a few months ago I ran into problems with Linuxconf messing things up that I had worked on. I tried removing it, but the rpms had so many dependancies, I couldnt. (well, I did, but sort of hosed my system in the process) So to everyone out there who gets sick of linuxconf, setup, or any other general setup tool, you do have another option. LFS (Linux From Scratch) Ok, you can have the soapbox back now. Jay -- Marriage is the waste-paper basket of the emotions. From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 3 13:32:23 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com>; from richard@elsberry-web.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:07:32PM -0500 References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> <3B4209E4.3AF821AA@elsberry-web.com> Message-ID: <20010703133223.A13027@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:07:32PM -0500, Richard Elsberry wrote: > > > > Thanks Jay, this worked. I tried searching the archives but didn't find > anything there. Gee, I wonder why linuxconf (which, BTW, doesn't automatically > install in 7.1) couldn't make the change?! I think this is by popular request 8). After a RedHat installation I read /tmp/install.log and start removing packages. High on the list: kudzu, pcmcia-cs, linuxconf... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Jul 3 13:23:09 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm Back Message-ID: <5447200172318239701@black-hole.com> WooHooo, I'm back online, what'd I miss? From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Jul 3 13:35:20 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19" racks be obtained locally? In-Reply-To: <3B41FEF5.5C4A3680@orgcon.com> Message-ID: If you are looking for used, Dexis had some a few weeks ago. I don't know about new. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Wiechman |Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:21 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19" racks be obtained locally? | | |All, | |I know someone asked about rack shelving prior, but I was wondering |where I could pick up a 19" rack locally. | |Paul |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From mend0070 at umn.edu Tue Jul 3 13:48:57 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? Message-ID: <200107031848.NAA31889@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 3 Jul 2001, James Spinti is alleged to have said: > If you are looking for used, Dexis had some a few weeks ago. I don't know > about new. I'd start with Dexis too. You could check some of the other salvage places. You could actually try some pawn shops or music places. Someplace like Metro Sound and Lighting might have used road racks, same for pawn shops. That sort of place wouldn't have 6' telco types, but 19" racks are all supposed to be the same spacing. That *is* "supposed" -- just be careful if you're trying to fill every available space (not a great idea anyway) and watch for mismatched threads when you buy screws / taps. Who handles the 3M surplus auctions these days? That's prolly my first choice, too. HTH From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Jul 3 13:57:16 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? References: <200107031848.NAA31889@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B421573.1B29CD56@eetc.com> > I'd start with Dexis too. You could check some of the other salvage > places. You could actually try some pawn shops or music places. Someplace > like Metro Sound and Lighting might have used road racks, same for pawn > shops. That sort of place wouldn't have 6' telco types, but 19" racks are > all supposed to be the same spacing. That *is* "supposed" -- just be > careful if you're trying to fill every available space (not a great idea > anyway) and watch for mismatched threads when you buy screws / taps. > > Who handles the 3M surplus auctions these days? That's prolly my first > choice, too. We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation auctions (same compound). That might be a good place to try. Don't remember when the next auction is though. Next week? There held at the same time. sim From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Jul 3 14:23:32 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? Message-ID: Would you be willing to provide a link to more info on this? It sounds interesting... >>> simeonuj@eetc.com 07/03/01 01:57PM >>> > Who handles the 3M surplus auctions these days? That's prolly my first > choice, too. We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation auctions (same compound). That might be a good place to try. Don't remember when the next auction is though. Next week? There held at the same time. From npt at visi.com Tue Jul 3 14:45:47 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy based dump/restore? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: can anyone help me out and point me in the direction of a pre-built set of floppies that i can dump/restore from? i'm going #$*&(#^$&*(^ crazy for the last few days trying to get a boot/root to roll correctly... pretty please? i'd be forever grateful. nick From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 14:56:39 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and journaled file system (laptop) In-Reply-To: <200107031859.f63Ix2K30707@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm planning to install RedHat on a laptop computer (one big root partition) and would like to use some kind of journaled file system instead of ext2. Does anyone know of a good way to install RedHat onto a ReiserFS root file system? Would it be better (more convenient) to drop back to RedHat 6.2 and use ext3? Oddly, it's possible to create a reiserfs file system after booting from the RedHat 7.1 CD, but the kernel does not include reiserfs support, so there's apparently no way to mount the reiserfs file system. Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 15:41:16 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:50:48AM -0500 References: <20010703085721.A13235@thor> Message-ID: <20010703154116.Q30321@real-time.com> > But printing manuals ain't cheap either -- especially when you > and your customers would like them to look/read better than, say, the > RedHat 5.2 books. I actually think the RH 5.x manuals were some of the *best* technical documentation I've ever read. I didn't know squat about Linux, and barely enough UNIX to know 'ls' and 'man'; and the RH 5.1 manual explained quite clearly how the filesystem was laid out, what went where, roughly how big partitions should be, and a vague description of each of the major packages included in the distro. For the sake of that manual; it's almost worth buying the RH boxed set. especially for a newbie. (but that's just MHO, YMMV). It was certainly worth it for me. I don't know what the 7.x manuals are like; last one I looked at was 6.1 for SPARC; and it was of comparably good quality. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 15:43:17 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy based dump/restore? In-Reply-To: ; from npt@visi.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 02:45:47PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010703154317.A22514@real-time.com> > can anyone help me out and point me in the direction of a pre-built set of > floppies that i can dump/restore from? i'm going #$*&(#^$&*(^ crazy for > the last few days trying to get a boot/root to roll correctly... pretty > please? www.toms.net Tomsrtbt *rules*! Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 3 15:44:10 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and journaled file system (laptop) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would think this is an option. Perhaps you have to be under "expert" mode or something. Mandrake allowed me to do it when I installed at a customer site last month (used 7.2) but I had to install in expert mode. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joel T Schneider Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and journaled file system (laptop) I'm planning to install RedHat on a laptop computer (one big root partition) and would like to use some kind of journaled file system instead of ext2. Does anyone know of a good way to install RedHat onto a ReiserFS root file system? Would it be better (more convenient) to drop back to RedHat 6.2 and use ext3? Oddly, it's possible to create a reiserfs file system after booting from the RedHat 7.1 CD, but the kernel does not include reiserfs support, so there's apparently no way to mount the reiserfs file system. Joel --- defenestrate tr. v. To throw out of a window. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From npt at visi.com Tue Jul 3 15:47:43 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy based dump/restore? In-Reply-To: <20010703154317.A22514@real-time.com> Message-ID: i've used that, but does it have dump/restore on it? or how would i go about using it? i thought i could mount another floppy w/ dump/restore on it, but that didn't seem to work either... ? thanks for any info, and thanks for the link already... nick On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > can anyone help me out and point me in the direction of a pre-built set of > > floppies that i can dump/restore from? i'm going #$*&(#^$&*(^ crazy for > > the last few days trying to get a boot/root to roll correctly... pretty > > please? > > www.toms.net > > Tomsrtbt *rules*! > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 15:47:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and journaled file system (laptop) In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 02:56:39PM -0500 References: <200107031859.f63Ix2K30707@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010703154755.B22514@real-time.com> > I'm planning to install RedHat on a laptop computer (one big root > partition) and would like to use some kind of journaled file system > instead of ext2. Does anyone know of a good way to install RedHat onto a > ReiserFS root file system? Would it be better (more convenient) to drop > back to RedHat 6.2 and use ext3? somewhere on SGIs site, is an ISO which will supposedly help you install XFS on a new RH7.1 installation. try this: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/1.0_installer.html once upon a time there was a hacked RH7.1 image which would install XFS; but I think XFS has gone through some revisions since then. tell us what you find. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From eng at pinenet.com Tue Jul 3 15:46:39 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Kodak and MS.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010702202327.6d4e28a6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010702202327.6d4e28a6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010703.20463900@LinWin.MShome> Indeed, going nuts is the right description. MS has made enemies of everybody and friends with nobody except litigation attorneys. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/2/01, 8:23:27 PM, Mike Hicks wrote regarding [TCLUG] OT: Kodak and MS.sdm: > Saw this on ZDNN and thought it was interesting: > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2781900,00.html > Microsoft seems to be going a bit nuts with the bundling thing. > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Most people feel that > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everyone is entitled to > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) their opinion. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 3 15:56:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <01070313273102.11169@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:27:31PM -0500 References: <200107031553.f63Fr5K23653@sprite.real-time.com> <20010703130842.A31929@blackice.localdomain> <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> <01070313273102.11169@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010703155618.A7652@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:27:31PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > Well, linuxconf is a Good Idea, but I would think most people using Linux > would want to eventuly know what is going on with their system so that they > could easily change something. For example, the hostname. I have been using > Linux for quite some time now, and finally feel the need to break away from > the distros. They are great and all, but if you really want your system to > run the way you want it to, and no other way, you should build your own. The > automatic confisuration of everything is too inflexable, because they want it > to work for the greatest number of people. And at a begining or intermediate > stage, this is fine. But if you want flexibility, they cant do it for you. > For the last 2 years, I have used Slackware and Mandrake, and when I did, I > never used the tools they had to configure things. I did it my own way. It > was just a few months ago I ran into problems with Linuxconf messing things > up that I had worked on. I tried removing it, but the rpms had so many > dependancies, I couldnt. (well, I did, but sort of hosed my system in the > process) That's why is good to remove it immediately after the installation... > So to everyone out there who gets sick of linuxconf, setup, or any other > general setup tool, you do have another option. LFS (Linux From Scratch) When you get sick of it, remove it, or get Debian. I find great pleasure tinkering with my systems' configurations. But I will never again try to compile KDE ... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 3 16:24:16 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick example needed Message-ID: Hi everyone, I got myself into a mess here helping my brother-in-law get something printed to a printer at his workplace. They just lost their geek. I need to print a simple file that was created on a Unix system. (Complicated explanation skipped.) I set up a quick Linux box and I'm trying to print something to their printer that is shared by an NT 4 box. I've tried getting connected to the printer using the RedHat 7.1 printconf-gui program. No luck yet. Now I'd like to try to use smbclient to print directly. I looked at the docs, but I don't see how to send a simple file to a Win NT box for printing via smbclient. Can someone provide a simple example? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 16:27:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick example needed In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:24:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010703162757.Y10238@real-time.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > Now I'd like to try to use smbclient to print directly. I looked at the > docs, but I don't see how to send a simple file to a Win NT box for printing > via smbclient. > > Can someone provide a simple example? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Do you have an account on the NT box so you can authenticate and use the share? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 3 16:33:04 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick example needed In-Reply-To: <20010703162757.Y10238@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > > Now I'd like to try to use smbclient to print directly. I looked at the > > docs, but I don't see how to send a simple file to a Win NT box for printing > > via smbclient. > > > > Can someone provide a simple example? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Do you have an account on the NT box so you can authenticate and use the share? I can use my brother-in-law's account. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jul 3 16:35:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick example needed In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:24:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010703163549.C2043@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:24:16PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I got myself into a mess here helping my brother-in-law get something >printed to a printer at his workplace. They just lost their geek. Why not use unix2dos, or a2ps to convert the file to something that you can copy to the offending machine a print. Windows can handle postscript files just fine IIRC. > >I need to print a simple file that was created on a Unix >system. (Complicated explanation skipped.) I set up a quick Linux box and >I'm trying to print something to their printer that is shared by an NT 4 >box. I've tried getting connected to the printer using the RedHat 7.1 >printconf-gui program. No luck yet. > >Now I'd like to try to use smbclient to print directly. I looked at the >docs, but I don't see how to send a simple file to a Win NT box for printing >via smbclient. > >Can someone provide a simple example? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010703/c38ae742/attachment.pgp From slushpupie at iexposure.com Tue Jul 3 16:34:35 2001 From: slushpupie at iexposure.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X session Message-ID: <01070316343500.01186@friday.tarsk.com> Apparently all my friends are going blind. They seem to think that 1600x1280 on a 17" monitor is too hard to read. Personally, I like it. But they still need to use my computer every now and then. So I would like to set up second X server with a lower resolution. I know that you can have 2 X servers on one machine, but I have never been successful at it. Anyone out there ever do this before? Jay -- Shick's Law: There is no problem a good miracle can't solve. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 16:49:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X session In-Reply-To: <01070316343500.01186@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Apparently all my friends are going blind. They seem to think that 1600x1280 > on a 17" monitor is too hard to read. Personally, I like it. But they still > need to use my computer every now and then. So I would like to set up second > X server with a lower resolution. I know that you can have 2 X servers on > one machine, but I have never been successful at it. Anyone out there ever > do this before? Easy way: Set up your X server to allow multiple resolutions, and hit ctrl-alt-minus to get to the smaller one. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 3 16:51:45 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nfs Message-ID: <01070316514502.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> I have a fresh install of RH7.1. I try an mount an nfs share and the RPC times out. Portmap and rpc.statd are running on the host. I have connectivity to the server shares. I have only been successful sharing nfs from a SuSE host. So obviously SuSE does not play the same way RH does. Very soon I think I will have to try something like Debian. Very soon I think the world will end. -- Spencer Underground whois microsoft.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 17:07:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 8.0 CDs available In-Reply-To: <20010703154116.Q30321@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > But printing manuals ain't cheap either -- especially when you > > and your customers would like them to look/read better than, say, the > > RedHat 5.2 books. > > I actually think the RH 5.x manuals were some of the *best* technical > documentation I've ever read. I didn't know squat about Linux, and barely > enough UNIX to know 'ls' and 'man'; and the RH 5.1 manual explained quite > clearly how the filesystem was laid out, what went where, roughly how big > partitions should be, and a vague description of each of the major packages > included in the distro. I agree big time that documentation is worth the price of admission. My point about the manual I mentioned is they were poorly indexed, and it was rare to find two pages where one side of one of them didn't contain a misspelling or grammatical error. Doesn't mean they are bad *info*, but there's a difference between being useful and well written. It won't turn off the computer geeks (didn't turn me off) but it will turn off the literate non-geek. I believe they have made improvements in this area, so don't think I'm bashing RH, even though all your Linux base are belong to Debian. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 3 17:13:18 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01070317131801.01186@friday.tarsk.com> I know this solution, the problem is not all fonts scale properly this way. Also, it would be convient to have more than one X session from time to time. Jay On Tuesday 03 July 2001 4:49 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > Apparently all my friends are going blind. They seem to think that > > 1600x1280 on a 17" monitor is too hard to read. Personally, I like it. > > But they still need to use my computer every now and then. So I would > > like to set up second X server with a lower resolution. I know that you > > can have 2 X servers on one machine, but I have never been successful at > > it. Anyone out there ever do this before? > > Easy way: Set up your X server to allow multiple resolutions, and hit > ctrl-alt-minus to get to the smaller one. :) -- Zippy's brain cells are straining to bridge synapses ... From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 3 17:29:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X session In-Reply-To: <01070317131801.01186@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I know this solution, the problem is not all fonts scale properly this way. > Also, it would be convient to have more than one X session from time to time. Do you run GDM? If so, edit gdm.conf, and you should be able to do: [servers] 0=/usr/bin/X11/X :0 1=/usr/bin/X11/X :1 ..or something similar. Then, you should be able to ctrl-alt-f7/f8 to switch between. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Tue Jul 3 17:32:00 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Can't set host name in redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:28:28PM -0500 References: <20010703131110.B31929@blackice.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010703173200.B1279@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:28:28PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > As someone already mentioned, the file /etc/sysconfig/network has a > HOSTNAME= line in it. That's all that linuxconf changes. If you don't like > the UI, then edit that file by hand. However you must also ensure that > your /etc/hosts contains consistent information. > > Andy My problem when I set my hostname was that my Xauthority files got all screwy and I could no longer use x windows until I reset the host name. Anybody else have a problem with this? Thanks, Dave From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 17:31:54 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nfs In-Reply-To: <01070316514502.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:51:45PM -0500 References: <01070316514502.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010703173154.G32157@blackice> Do you have ipchains running? Just as a test, run /etc/init.d/ipchains stop and then try mounting your shares. I just sent a message about this earlier today. I don't think it's possible to mount an NFS partition through ipchains because the portmapper can't randomly pick a port to use when their aren't any open HTH, Gabe On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:51:45PM -0500, spencer underground wrote: > > > I have a fresh install of RH7.1. I try an mount an nfs share and the RPC > times out. Portmap and rpc.statd are running on the host. I have connectivity > to the server shares. I have only been successful sharing nfs from a SuSE > host. So obviously SuSE does not play the same way RH does. > Very soon I think I will have to try something like Debian. > Very soon I think the world will end. > -- > Spencer Underground > whois microsoft.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 3 18:08:13 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nfs In-Reply-To: <20010703173154.G32157@blackice> References: <01070316514502.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> <20010703173154.G32157@blackice> Message-ID: <01070318081304.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2001 05:31 pm, you wrote: > Do you have ipchains running? Just as a test, run > > /etc/init.d/ipchains stop > > and then try mounting your shares. I just sent a message about this > earlier today. I don't think it's possible to mount an NFS partition > through ipchains because the portmapper can't randomly pick a port to use > when their aren't any open > > HTH, > > Gabe > > It has been a long day. I read your post and the two threads behind it. I suppose I just wasn't paying attention, imagine that. The security should not be a problem, the box is on a lan. I am setting up the firewall now. It has two smc-ultra cards. Just like the two ne2k cards in my other gateway they don't get along. So, I will take a different road. The ol' musical chairs routine, except I have a seat for every player. -- Spencer Message-ID: <3B4252F2.40308@ringworld.org> Daniel Taylor wrote: > > I have used Netscape for mail in preference to mutt, because even though > it is feature-poor, it at least doesn't make me start my session over > on a single keystroke. I'm acutally using mozilla mailnews for mail these days with procmail on the server to do everything. It works pretty darn well. I also use postfix-sasl-tls to relay through my own mail server. SASL kicks soo much ass. :) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 3 18:23:07 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet References: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B4253DB.9030108@ringworld.org> Thomas Eibner wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody has any experience with using this router with the Minnesota Att > Roadrunner cable? Will it actually work? > I read somewhere that MN rr services are different than other places and > if true, does that affect the use of the above router? Ive installed one at my dad's place. They work great. Just make sure to make the MAC address on the external NIC the same one that AT&T knows is your machine. Otherwise they are awesome. They even have a built in DYNDNS client. Supposedly one of the linksys boxes can do IPSEC in hardware tho. I would love to see that. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 20:07:26 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation auctions (same > compound). Um, Sim, what the heck are you putting in 19' racks? Canoes?! One punctuation mark can change your whole world! :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 3 09:51:23 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nfs In-Reply-To: <01070318081304.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> References: <01070316514502.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> <20010703173154.G32157@blackice> <01070318081304.01606@aaaunderground.mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <01070309512300.01217@red.autonomous.tv> The ol' musical > chairs routine, except I have a seat for every player. Two down two to go. There must be something to reserving io addresses and such for modules that control many devices. There must be. A working solution is to use different chips. But is still irratates me that I haven't made two like chips work together. 2+2 is still four tho. -- Spencer Underground mailto:spencer@sihope.com deltree c:\windows /y whois microsoft.com From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 3 22:14:58 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Load Message-ID: <01070322145802.01081@friday.tarsk.com> Can anyone tell me how the load is calculated in linux? To make myself clear, I am talking about the 3 numbers for load average on `top`, or the load number from `xosview` or any other number of cpu stat utilities. Is there a max number for these? What exactly does it mean? Jay From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Tue Jul 3 22:41:57 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Load In-Reply-To: <01070322145802.01081@friday.tarsk.com> References: <01070322145802.01081@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010703234157.A6010@lemongecko.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:14:58PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Can anyone tell me how the load is calculated in linux? It's the average number of running processes in the last 1, 5, and 15 minutes. There's no real limit. I'm always running SETI@home, so my load average never drops below 1. I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jul 3 23:00:30 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Load In-Reply-To: <20010703234157.A6010@lemongecko.org> References: <01070322145802.01081@friday.tarsk.com> <20010703234157.A6010@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: Dan Drake writes: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:14:58PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how the load is calculated in linux? > > It's the average number of running processes in the last 1, 5, and 15 > minutes. There's no real limit. I'm always running SETI@home, so my load > average never drops below 1. > > I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it. That's pretty much it. Technically it's hte number of jobs in the run queue. So full usage on a single processor machine is 1, full usage on a dual processor machine is 2. Anything over that and the jobs are waiting for each other. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From esper at genma.sherohman.org Tue Jul 3 23:40:09 2001 From: esper at genma.sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Load In-Reply-To: <01070322145802.01081@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:14:58PM -0500 Message-ID: <20010703234009.C19013@genma.sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:14:58PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Can anyone tell me how the load is calculated in linux? To make myself clear, > I am talking about the 3 numbers for load average on `top`, or the load > number from `xosview` or any other number of cpu stat utilities. Is there a > max number for these? What exactly does it mean? (Note: I am aware that this information is technically not 100% correct. However, like Newtonian physics, I believe it to be a close enough approximation for everyday use.) Load is the number of processes which are available to be run at any time. These processes may either be actually running or they may be waiting for some resource (generally either CPU or disk) to become available. The three numbers listed are the average load over the last 1 minute, 5 minutes, and 15 minutes. Although load is related to CPU utilization, they're not quite the same thing. A process which performs no I/O at all and consumes 50% of the available CPU cycles will generate a steady load of 0.50. However, if the process requires any disk I/O (including swapping), the load will be increased because it has to spend time waiting for disk operations to complete. And, of course, CPU utilization can't go above 100%, but load can easily exceed 1.00. (Right now, for instance, I'm typing this on a box with a 1-minute load avg of 2.02 because it's ripping a CD (cdparanoia waiting on the CDROM continually = load 1.00) and compressing the tracks into mp3s (lame eating every available CPU cycle = load 1.00).) Load has no fixed maximum (theoretically, an infinite number of processes could be runnable) but, aside from certain special cases (such as my current mp3-making session), you generally want to keep it to no more than the number of CPUs in the machine (since running processes count for load also) and roughly proportional to CPU usage (if load significantly exceeds CPU, processes are waiting for I/O; in my experience, this usually means there's a lot of swapping going on and you should add more memory). From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 3 23:52:09 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NV-GLX Message-ID: <20010703235209.A14448@squall.localdomain> So I've recently started playing with GL in Linux (yeah, it took me awhile...). I just downloaded xmms 1.2.5 and am trying to get it's GL visualization plugin going. I've got a GForce 2 GTS and I've installed the nVidia kernel module and GLX stuff. Now, I haven't played around with XFree 4.x much, so I don't know much about these mysterious "extensions". $ xmms Xlib: extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Segmentation fault You've probably found a bug in XMMS, please visit http://www.xmms.org/bugs and fill out a bug report. Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x3261)! So, if the NV-GLX extension is "missing", how do I "find" it? Any help greatly appreciated... Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hata0006 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 4 00:32:51 2001 From: hata0006 at tc.umn.edu (Jason Hataye) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration Message-ID: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu> Hi Tclug people, I've finally got around to installing a new linux system with Red Hat 7.1 this week, so thanks for your comments a few weeks ago! I have another question for you. I can't seem to get my modem to work. I know it works because I used linux kernel 2.2.16 with it before, and also I can use it with MS windows. I'm somewhat confused and baffled. Here's the immediate problem(s) 1) the kppp PPP program I'm using--when I attempt to initialize the modem, a window pops up saying "modem isn't responding" 2) the red hat PPP program, when it trys to search for a modem it doesn't find one. Here's what I know: I have an ISA PnP modem (not a winmodem), US Robotics brand. when I boot windows instead of linux, the modem works and is using COM2 serial port. this is how i am sending this very email. linux seems to have the correct info as far as the serial port is concerned. for example, when I type "setserial -a /dev/ttyS1" I get what seems like all the right info: IRQ=3 and i/o=02f8. At least I'm pretty sure this is what I want. I don't know however if my hardware is actually set to this. I tried making the symbolic link from /dev/ttyS1 to /dev/modem just out of frustration, but to no avail. when i boot linux, linux indeed acknowledges that I have a US Robotics modem installed, and seems to be happy with the PnP. (by the way, do you know how to slow down all of the boot messages that zoom by? I can't read the whole thing before it's gone.) that's all i can think of to tell you. any thoughts? thanks, Jason From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Jul 4 00:34:39 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NV-GLX In-Reply-To: <20010703235209.A14448@squall.localdomain>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:52:09PM -0500 References: <20010703235209.A14448@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010704003439.A14527@squall.localdomain> > $ xmms > Xlib: extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > > Segmentation fault > > You've probably found a bug in XMMS, please visit > http://www.xmms.org/bugs and fill out a bug report. > > Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x3261)! > > > So, if the NV-GLX extension is "missing", how do I "find" it? *sigh*, I really need to quit answering my own emails :) It turns out one needs to change the driver name from "nv" to "nvidia". Works great now! Xscreensaver is fun again Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 4 01:06:52 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration In-Reply-To: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu>; from hata0006@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:32:51PM -0700 References: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010704010652.A28888@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:32:51PM -0700, Jason Hataye wrote: > > I've finally got around to installing a new linux system with Red Hat > 7.1 this week, so thanks for your comments a few weeks ago! I have > another question for you. I can't seem to get my modem to work. I know > it works because I used linux kernel 2.2.16 with it before, and also I > can use it with MS windows. > > I'm somewhat confused and baffled. Here's the immediate problem(s) > > 1) the kppp PPP program I'm using--when I attempt to initialize the > modem, a window pops up saying "modem isn't responding" > > 2) the red hat PPP program, when it trys to search for a modem it > doesn't > find one. > > Here's what I know: > > I have an ISA PnP modem (not a winmodem), US Robotics brand. > > when I boot windows instead of linux, the modem works and is using COM2 > serial port. this is how i am sending this very email. > > linux seems to have the correct info as far as the serial port is > concerned. for example, when I type "setserial -a /dev/ttyS1" I get > what seems like all the right info: IRQ=3 and i/o=02f8. At least I'm > pretty sure this is what I want. I don't know however if my hardware is > actually set to this. > > I tried making the symbolic link from /dev/ttyS1 to /dev/modem just out > of frustration, but to no avail. > > when i boot linux, linux indeed acknowledges that I have a US Robotics > modem installed, and seems to be happy with the PnP. (by the way, do > you know how to slow down all of the boot messages that zoom by? I > can't read the whole thing before it's gone.) dmesg | less > that's all i can think of to tell you. any thoughts? Install minicom and try to talk directly to the modem. Leave /dev/ttyS1 -> /dev/modem link. Try to give the modem an "AT". If it answers with an "OK", then you see it. Another thing: shut down the machine completely and the power it up and boot into linux. Windows sometimes does funny things to the devices (the soundcard in my laptop doesn't work when I reboot from Win2k into Linux). florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Jul 4 10:02:48 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet References: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B433018.1030100@mn.rr.com> This looks like it is very similar to the Linksys products and I have friends using those with ATT. You will have to call tech support and give them the new MAC address. I know the Netgear products work with Time Warner cable a coworker picked one up at Microcenter for $50 after rebate and it works fine. Good luck. SG, O.S.D. P.S. Does anyone know why ATT needs a MAC address and Time Warner doesn't? A difference in the modem maybe? Thomas Eibner wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody has any experience with using this router with the Minnesota Att > Roadrunner cable? Will it actually work? > I read somewhere that MN rr services are different than other places and > if true, does that affect the use of the above router? > > thanks > Thomas > > -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From nate at techie.com Wed Jul 4 10:27:43 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetGear RT314 cable router && Att Cable Internet In-Reply-To: <3B433018.1030100@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 10:02:48AM -0500 References: <20010703184530.C5199@io.stderr.net> <3B433018.1030100@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010704102743.A5274@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 10:02:48AM -0500, Steve wrote: > You will have to call tech support and give them the new MAC address. I would suggest going to http://help.broadband.att.com/ first and using their chat interface to update your MAC address, then install the new router. It's easier to wait with the computer than with the phone. Nate From spencer at sihope.com Wed Jul 4 11:28:33 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration In-Reply-To: <20010704010652.A28888@beaver.iucha.org> References: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu> <20010704010652.A28888@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01070411283304.01479@usurper> Windows sometimes does funny things to the devices (the > soundcard in my laptop doesn't work when I reboot from Win2k into Linux). > > florin What kind of sound chip do you have? And what power does win*** have over firmware of any kind? -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 4 14:04:04 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration In-Reply-To: <01070411283304.01479@usurper>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:28:33AM -0500 References: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu> <20010704010652.A28888@beaver.iucha.org> <01070411283304.01479@usurper> Message-ID: <20010704140404.A13061@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:28:33AM -0500, AAAunderground wrote: > Windows sometimes does funny things to the devices (the > > soundcard in my laptop doesn't work when I reboot from Win2k into Linux). > > > > florin > What kind of sound chip do you have? And what power does win*** have over > firmware of any kind? Yamaha 754 on a Toshiba Satellite 2805-S401 It's not about firmware. It's what's left in the registers during a warm boot. Back in Linux-2.0.xx days when a PNP soundcard was not supported a usual solution was to boot in DOS/Windows and then to warm-boot into Linux. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jul 4 18:39:51 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> <20010703091053.A1659@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:02:50PM -0500, Greg Rolling wrote: > >If the nature of a virus is to prohibit users from productivity, which > >OS is more viral in nature? Linux or Windows? > > It's not the software that's viral, it's the license. The term "viral" is > synonymous with infectious. You say that as if its a bad thing. Linux -- Viral and proud of it. From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Jul 4 20:29:08 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> <20010703091053.A1659@minime.sistina.com> <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010704202908.A16555@thor> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:02:50PM -0500, Greg Rolling wrote: > > >If the nature of a virus is to prohibit users from productivity, which > > >OS is more viral in nature? Linux or Windows? > > > > It's not the software that's viral, it's the license. The term "viral" is > > synonymous with infectious. > > You say that as if its a bad thing. > > Linux -- Viral and proud of it. Linux -- The only computer virus *not* propogated by MS Outlook :) From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jul 4 21:13:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500 References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> <20010703091053.A1659@minime.sistina.com> <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010704211310.A5787@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >You say that as if its a bad thing. Depending on your point of view it can be a bad thing. The BSD people like thier license because it lets people do whatever they want, now if you introduce GPL code into a BSDL piece of code the entire thing then mu become GPL if you wish to leave the GPL stuff in it. And this is what RMS thinks freedom is. Yes, I think the GPL bites WRT to this sort of thing. THat's why I prefer the BSD license. > >Linux -- Viral and proud of it. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010704/2958b922/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 5 01:46:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CGI to tell me everything about a connection? Message-ID: <20010705014602.E29335@real-time.com> Anyone have a url to a code snippet or library that will tell me everything about an http request? Yes, I know I can easily get all this info myself in perl, php, java, python, or c :-), but I don't want to re-invent the wheel. More or less everything that is logged into access_log. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jts at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 03:05:16 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and journaled file system (laptop) In-Reply-To: <200107032205.f63M53K04298@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I'm planning to install RedHat on a laptop computer (one big root > > partition) and would like to use some kind of journaled file system > > instead of ext2. Does anyone know of a good way to install RedHat onto a > > ReiserFS root file system? Would it be better (more convenient) to drop > > back to RedHat 6.2 and use ext3? > > somewhere on SGIs site, is an ISO which will supposedly help you install XFS > on a new RH7.1 installation. > > try this: > http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/1.0_installer.html > > once upon a time there was a hacked RH7.1 image which would install XFS; but > I think XFS has gone through some revisions since then. > > tell us what you find. :) Thank-you very much for the info. Your response prompted me to do some further digging. SGI has indeed released an installer ISO for RedHat 7.1 and XFS 1.0: In addition, some guy named Brad Tarver has boot diskettes to install RedHat 6.2 with ReiserFS (linked from www.reiserfs.com downloads page): There's also a set of combined ReiserFS and XFS debian disks available: So far, the only thing I could find to help with installing IBM's JFS was the "JFS Root Boot HOWTO", which recommends installing onto ext2 and then creating JFS partitions and copying everything: Ext3 might be another option: Now I just need to figure out which one to use... Joel From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 5 04:33:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CGI to tell me everything about a connection? In-Reply-To: <20010705014602.E29335@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Yes, I know I can easily get all this info myself in perl, php, java, python, or > c :-), but I don't want to re-invent the wheel. It's not really much of a wheel. It's more something that'll take you less time to do on your own than to get someone else's implementation and then adapt it to your needs. Other than the timestamp which your program should generate, it's all environment variables. Here's a Perl snippet, timestamp will be innacurate and I forgot what the 1st dash is, and I don't know if you can get the status. #!/usr/bin/perl chomp($date=`/bin/date`); # Make an accesslog-like like: print "$ENV{REMOTE_HOST} - $ENV{REMOTE_USER} [$date] \"$ENV{REQUEST_METHOD} $ENV{REQUEST_URI} $ENV{SERVER_PROTOCOL}\" $status\n"; HTH -Yaron -- From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 5 04:34:00 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) References: <20010702160404.S27054@real-time.com> <3B4143EA.F5FB44F9@guigeeks.com> <20010703091053.A1659@minime.sistina.com> <3B43A947.EE765CF9@haxxed.com> <20010704211310.A5787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B443488.BDC01C2D@haxxed.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >You say that as if its a bad thing. > > Depending on your point of view it can be a bad thing. The BSD people > like thier license because it lets people do whatever they want, now if > you introduce GPL code into a BSDL piece of code the entire thing then mu > become GPL if you wish to leave the GPL stuff in it. > > And this is what RMS thinks freedom is. > > Yes, I think the GPL bites WRT to this sort of thing. THat's why I prefer > the BSD license. Which clearly goes to show that the GPL is the superior license, in a biological sense. ;) From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 5 04:39:29 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Banner ads, ugh. Message-ID: <3B4435D1.7804DD6D@haxxed.com> Okay, I'm considering succuming to the call of capitalism and splattering banner ads all over my web site so I can feed my growing crack habit without having to get a real job. Has anyone here had any experiences good/bad with banner ad companies for a small time website that probably won't get enough hits to be worth the trouble anyway? From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 5 04:56:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Banner ads, ugh. In-Reply-To: <3B4435D1.7804DD6D@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 04:39:29AM -0500 References: <3B4435D1.7804DD6D@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010705045608.J29335@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (seg@haxxed.com): > Okay, I'm considering succuming to the call of capitalism and > splattering banner ads all over my web site so I can feed my growing > crack habit without having to get a real job. Has anyone here had any > experiences good/bad with banner ad companies for a small time website > that probably won't get enough hits to be worth the trouble anyway? Banner ads are not making anyone but the big guys money. With simple tools like junkbuster, or even mozilla's "don't accept images from anything but the originating server" you can filter all that crap out. It's Y cents for X hits. Like 1 cent for every 100,000 hits. Yes, it's large numbers like that. OR It's Y cents for X click-throughs. Like 2 cents for every click through. OR You have percentage base of a sale from a click through on your site. Like 0.05% on a sale from a banner on your site. The last one is where you make some money, but how many people will see your website, click the banner ad and BUY something? Anyways, I know most about the last one, ala Amazon and Commission Junction. Amy did the initial design and work on Commission Junction, so we can give all sort of sorted details. Well, I think we can, I'll have to check the contract and NDA crap. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Jul 5 07:36:46 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration In-Reply-To: <3B42AA83.38563231@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Do you also have a winmodem in the machine? Is PnP enabled in the bios? I had a machine with a winmodem and a USR ISA modem. With PnP enabled in the bios, the winmodem would take precedence and Linux would not be able to communicate properly with the real modem. Once I turned off PnP in the bios, everything worked great. That was RH 5.2/Mandrake 5.2, so maybe things are different now... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Hataye |Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:33 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] modem configuration | | | | |Hi Tclug people, | |I've finally got around to installing a new linux system with Red Hat |7.1 this week, so thanks for your comments a few weeks ago! I have |another question for you. I can't seem to get my modem to work. I know |it works because I used linux kernel 2.2.16 with it before, and also I |can use it with MS windows. | |I'm somewhat confused and baffled. Here's the immediate problem(s) | |1) the kppp PPP program I'm using--when I attempt to initialize the |modem, a window pops up saying "modem isn't responding" | |2) the red hat PPP program, when it trys to search for a modem it |doesn't |find one. | |Here's what I know: | |I have an ISA PnP modem (not a winmodem), US Robotics brand. | |when I boot windows instead of linux, the modem works and is using COM2 |serial port. this is how i am sending this very email. | |linux seems to have the correct info as far as the serial port is |concerned. for example, when I type "setserial -a /dev/ttyS1" I get |what seems like all the right info: IRQ=3 and i/o=02f8. At least I'm |pretty sure this is what I want. I don't know however if my hardware is |actually set to this. | |I tried making the symbolic link from /dev/ttyS1 to /dev/modem just out |of frustration, but to no avail. | |when i boot linux, linux indeed acknowledges that I have a US Robotics |modem installed, and seems to be happy with the PnP. (by the way, do |you know how to slow down all of the boot messages that zoom by? I |can't read the whole thing before it's gone.) | |that's all i can think of to tell you. any thoughts? | |thanks, | |Jason | | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 5 07:40:09 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issues with Slack 8.0? Message-ID: <20010705074009.0604e0b6.blayer@qwest.net> Heard mention on IRC that people are having problems compiling software on Slackware 8.0, some kind of glibc problem. Is anyone here actively using Slack 8.0 and if so, what have you to report? I'm waiting for reports before I purge & reload my main desktop. Drove the cycle in from Eagan this AM without a jacket, hands are so stiff I can hardly type. Brrrrr! -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 5 08:55:37 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issues with Slack 8.0? References: <20010705074009.0604e0b6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <002201c1055a$2b4d8260$0101a8c0@cascade> They are using glibc 2.2.3. The problem is that there were some massive header cleanups. The software that doesn't compile doesn't compile because it was using "private" interfaces to the glibc library. It is really the fault of the software maintainers. In most cases, it is fairly trivial to patch the code if you know anything about C. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Issues with Slack 8.0? > Heard mention on IRC that people are having problems compiling software on > Slackware 8.0, some kind of glibc problem. Is anyone here actively using > Slack 8.0 and if so, what have you to report? I'm waiting for reports > before I purge & reload my main desktop. > > Drove the cycle in from Eagan this AM without a jacket, hands are so stiff > I can hardly type. Brrrrr! > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 5 09:04:23 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? References: Message-ID: <3B4473E2.C6E7598E@eetc.com> Didn't you hear about the new standard? :-) Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation auctions (same > > compound). > > Um, Sim, what the heck are you putting in 19' racks? Canoes?! One > punctuation mark can change your whole world! :)= BTW. The next Imation/3M auction is on monday. It's a silent bid system (silent bid?). You check out the stuff on monday. Write your bid down. Call or email/mail it to them. They tell you what you won on thursday or friday (I think). Something like that. sim The canoes are just for looks. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Jul 5 09:14:03 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe that's how they're getting all those servers into a 1U space? :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn |Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:15 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? | | |> We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation auctions (same |> compound). | |Um, Sim, what the heck are you putting in 19' racks? Canoes?! One |punctuation mark can change your whole world! :) | |-- |"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Jul 5 09:23:45 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? Message-ID: <57052001745142345932@black-hole.com> How exactly does a person get in on one of these auctions? ---- Original Message ---- From: simeonuj@eetc.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:04:23 -0500 >Didn't you hear about the new standard? :-) > > >Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >> > We've seen a few 19' racks come through the 3M and Imation >auctions (same >> > compound). >> >> Um, Sim, what the heck are you putting in 19' racks? Canoes?! One >> punctuation mark can change your whole world! :)= > >BTW. The next Imation/3M auction is on monday. It's a silent bid >system >(silent bid?). You check out the stuff on monday. Write your bid >down. Call >or email/mail it to them. They tell you what you won on thursday or >friday (I >think). Something like that. > >sim >The canoes are just for looks. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 5 09:29:40 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with procmail Message-ID: <3B4479D4.F1B71D5C@haxxed.com> Beep: http://www.johnath.com/beep/ Plus some procmail: :0 * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org { :0 c TCLUG :0 |/usr/local/bin/beep -l 25 -D 25 -n -f 500 -l 25 -D 25 } :0 c |/usr/local/bin/beep -r 3 -l 25 -D 25 -n -f 1000 -l 25 Equals instant email notification, yay! From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 09:38:53 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Banner ads, ugh. In-Reply-To: <3B4435D1.7804DD6D@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay, I'm considering succuming to the call of capitalism and > splattering banner ads all over my web site so I can feed my growing > crack habit without having to get a real job. Has anyone here had any > experiences good/bad with banner ad companies for a small time website > that probably won't get enough hits to be worth the trouble anyway? Don't confuse capitalism with prostitution. -- "After all is said and done, more is typically said than done." --Dave Cutler From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 5 09:43:32 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issues with Slack 8.0? In-Reply-To: <002201c1055a$2b4d8260$0101a8c0@cascade> References: <20010705074009.0604e0b6.blayer@qwest.net> <002201c1055a$2b4d8260$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010705094332.5c23464a.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:55:37 -0500 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > They are using glibc 2.2.3. The problem is that there were some massive > header cleanups. The software that doesn't compile doesn't compile because > it was using "private" interfaces to the glibc library. It is really the > fault of the software maintainers. In most cases, it is fairly trivial to > patch the code if you know anything about C. Which I don't. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 5 10:06:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with procmail In-Reply-To: <3B4479D4.F1B71D5C@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0500 References: <3B4479D4.F1B71D5C@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010705100633.A24048@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Beep: > > http://www.johnath.com/beep/ > > Plus some procmail: > > :0 > * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > { > :0 c > TCLUG > :0 > |/usr/local/bin/beep -l 25 -D 25 -n -f 500 -l 25 -D 25 > } > > :0 c > |/usr/local/bin/beep -r 3 -l 25 -D 25 -n -f 1000 -l 25 > |/usr/local/bin/youvegotmail florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 5 10:17:59 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can 19 racks be obtained locally? References: <57052001745142345932@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3B448526.7C1CFC31@eetc.com> Don't remember. I think you have to register now. The auction last's till Wednsday (I think) so you may be able to show up, register and bid by the end of the auction. They are monthly now. Every month starting on a Monday. There is a URL that should explain everything. Don't have it here though. I 'll get it tomorrow. Brian Toberman wrote: > How exactly does a person get in on one of these auctions? > > >BTW. The next Imation/3M auction is on monday. It's a silent bid > >system > >(silent bid?). You check out the stuff on monday. Write your bid > >down. Call > >or email/mail it to them. They tell you what you won on thursday or > >friday (I > >think). Something like that. sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 5 11:45:34 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking MD5.... Message-ID: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com> I am downloading the newest kernel (2.4.6) and want to check the signature - that's the .sign file rite? -. How is that done? Can't remember the command. I'm getting paranoid now. Need to make sure everything on this box is clean. :-) sim From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 5 11:50:35 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking MD5.... In-Reply-To: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:45:34AM -0500 References: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010705185035.B28944@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:45:34AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am downloading the newest kernel (2.4.6) and want to check the > signature - that's the .sign file rite? -. How is that done? Can't > remember the command. > > I'm getting paranoid now. Need to make sure everything on this box is > clean. :-) 'md5 file' ? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 5 12:05:17 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking MD5.... Errr.... PGP.... References: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com> <20010705185035.B28944@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B449E45.A63C7414@eetc.com> Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:45:34AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I am downloading the newest kernel (2.4.6) and want to check the > > signature - that's the .sign file rite? -. How is that done? Can't > > remember the command. > > > > I'm getting paranoid now. Need to make sure everything on this box is > > clean. :-) > > 'md5 file' ? Not a command. Md5sum seems to be the command needed. Major problem thouhg. IT'S NOT MD5. It's pgp. So.... How do I check a PGP signature? sim From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 5 12:05:28 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Checking MD5.... In-Reply-To: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:45:34AM -0500 References: <3B4499A8.EF63D4CA@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010705120528.B24048@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:45:34AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am downloading the newest kernel (2.4.6) and want to check the > signature - that's the .sign file rite? -. How is that done? Can't > remember the command. > > I'm getting paranoid now. Need to make sure everything on this box is > clean. :-) http://www.kernel.org/signature.html florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From shadow at inari.shadowmaster.org Thu Jul 5 12:22:13 2001 From: shadow at inari.shadowmaster.org (Michael Town) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? Message-ID: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Hey guys, I'm planning on switching my server from Mandrake 7.1 to a Debian potato box. At the moment, my server is acting as: Email server, Web server, File server, Domain controller, FTP server (non-annonymous), Primary DNS, and firewall (well, NAT anyway). My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least the network files) I know I'm missing some, I just can't for the life of me remember what they are. Thanks in advance, Mike Town shadow@shadowmaster.org -------- As time goes by in this give and take, as long as I learn, I will make mistakes. - The Beastie Boys, "Just A Test" From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 5 12:34:10 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org>; from shadow@inari.shadowmaster.org on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:22:13PM -0500 References: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: <20010705123410.C24048@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:22:13PM -0500, Michael Town wrote: > Hey guys, > I'm planning on switching my server from Mandrake 7.1 to a Debian potato > box. At the moment, my server is acting as: Email server, Web server, > File server, Domain controller, FTP server (non-annonymous), Primary DNS, > and firewall (well, NAT anyway). > > My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as > seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm > safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, > along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and > groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least > the network files) > > I know I'm missing some, I just can't for the life of me remember what > they are. Why not just targz all the /etc and after the installation untargz it into /etc/old and then do a copy-on-demand (as you configure things look into the old config) ...? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 5 12:33:19 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the crypt() function do some seeding which will not allow the same shadow file to exist on more than one machine (or 2 different installs on the same machine)? I could be way off in left field on this, but I thought that was part of the reason shadow was more secure. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Town Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? Hey guys, I'm planning on switching my server from Mandrake 7.1 to a Debian potato box. At the moment, my server is acting as: Email server, Web server, File server, Domain controller, FTP server (non-annonymous), Primary DNS, and firewall (well, NAT anyway). My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least the network files) I know I'm missing some, I just can't for the life of me remember what they are. Thanks in advance, Mike Town shadow@shadowmaster.org -------- As time goes by in this give and take, as long as I learn, I will make mistakes. - The Beastie Boys, "Just A Test" _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 5 12:44:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Michael Town wrote: > My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as > seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm > safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, > along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and > groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least > the network files) You'll want to back up the entire /etc tree. Unless you made some wacky custom changes that change the behavior of Mandrake, but then you documented those, right? :-) If you just let Madrake do all the work and left everything at default, everything you need should be in /etc/ -Brian From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Thu Jul 5 11:50:33 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Possibly, it's probably be a good idea to unshadow your password+group files, migrate them over and then reshadow them. Josh On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the crypt() function do some > seeding which will not allow the same shadow file to exist on more than one > machine (or 2 different installs on the same machine)? I could be way off > in left field on this, but I thought that was part of the reason shadow was > more secure. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Town > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:22 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? > > > Hey guys, > I'm planning on switching my server from Mandrake 7.1 to a Debian potato > box. At the moment, my server is acting as: Email server, Web server, > File server, Domain controller, FTP server (non-annonymous), Primary DNS, > and firewall (well, NAT anyway). > > My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as > seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm > safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, > along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and > groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least > the network files) > > I know I'm missing some, I just can't for the life of me remember what > they are. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Town > shadow@shadowmaster.org > -------- > As time goes by > in this give and take, > as long as I learn, > I will make mistakes. > - The Beastie Boys, "Just A Test" > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dante at plethora.net Thu Jul 5 14:23:23 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010704211310.A5787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Yep, the BSD-Public Domain License. Without the advertising requirement it is a dead on givaway, freebie, handout. That is why the Corporations love it so much. It lets them take your work without giving _ANY_ recompense. I'll stick with GPL thank-you-very-much. Dan On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >You say that as if its a bad thing. > > Depending on your point of view it can be a bad thing. The BSD people > like thier license because it lets people do whatever they want, now if > you introduce GPL code into a BSDL piece of code the entire thing then mu > become GPL if you wish to leave the GPL stuff in it. > > And this is what RMS thinks freedom is. > > Yes, I think the GPL bites WRT to this sort of thing. THat's why I prefer > the BSD license. > > > > >Linux -- Viral and proud of it. > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream > From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 5 14:22:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:33:19PM -0500 References: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: <20010705142226.D31615@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:33:19PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the crypt() function do some > seeding which will not allow the same shadow file to exist on more than one > machine (or 2 different installs on the same machine)? I could be way off > in left field on this, but I thought that was part of the reason shadow was > more secure. You're wrong. If you were correct, NIS and shadow couldn't work together, but they get along just fine. What you're probably thinking of is "salt". It's a pair of characters fed into crypt() along with the password which modifies the result. Password implementations that use salt typically include it as the first two characters of the password hash, so that it will be available when the password is checked. (It may seem pointless to use salt if you're just going to tell the world what salt you added, but it isn't. Without salt, a dictionary attack could just run "secret" through crypt and check the resulting hash against the entire password database to see whether anyone had it as their password. With salt, the attacker needs to re-crypt candidate passwords for each user (or group of users with the same salt), which prevents him obtaining any economies of scale by choosing to brute-force a larger password file.) From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 5 14:29:57 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: <20010705142226.D31615@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Cool. I knew there was something about this out there. Thanks for clearing it up. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:33:19PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the crypt() function do some > seeding which will not allow the same shadow file to exist on more than one > machine (or 2 different installs on the same machine)? I could be way off > in left field on this, but I thought that was part of the reason shadow was > more secure. You're wrong. If you were correct, NIS and shadow couldn't work together, but they get along just fine. What you're probably thinking of is "salt". It's a pair of characters fed into crypt() along with the password which modifies the result. Password implementations that use salt typically include it as the first two characters of the password hash, so that it will be available when the password is checked. (It may seem pointless to use salt if you're just going to tell the world what salt you added, but it isn't. Without salt, a dictionary attack could just run "secret" through crypt and check the resulting hash against the entire password database to see whether anyone had it as their password. With salt, the attacker needs to re-crypt candidate passwords for each user (or group of users with the same salt), which prevents him obtaining any economies of scale by choosing to brute-force a larger password file.) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jul 5 14:34:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:23:23PM -0500 References: <20010704211310.A5787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:23:23PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: >Yep, the BSD-Public Domain License. Without the advertising requirement it >is a dead on givaway, freebie, handout. That is why the Corporations love >it so much. It lets them take your work without giving _ANY_ recompense. > >I'll stick with GPL thank-you-very-much. But under the terms of the GPL you can't charge royalties and such anyway. > >Dan > >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> >> >You say that as if its a bad thing. >> >> Depending on your point of view it can be a bad thing. The BSD people >> like thier license because it lets people do whatever they want, now if >> you introduce GPL code into a BSDL piece of code the entire thing then mu >> become GPL if you wish to leave the GPL stuff in it. >> >> And this is what RMS thinks freedom is. >> >> Yes, I think the GPL bites WRT to this sort of thing. THat's why I prefer >> the BSD license. >> >> > >> >Linux -- Viral and proud of it. >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens >> Sistina Software Inc. >> Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010705/8c2edb7d/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 5 14:46:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:34:12PM -0500 References: <20010704211310.A5787@minime.sistina.com> <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010705144639.E31615@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:34:12PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:23:23PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > >Yep, the BSD-Public Domain License. Without the advertising requirement it > >is a dead on givaway, freebie, handout. That is why the Corporations love > >it so much. It lets them take your work without giving _ANY_ recompense. > > > >I'll stick with GPL thank-you-very-much. > > But under the terms of the GPL you can't charge royalties and such > anyway. Even ignoring for the moment that there are other forms of compensation than royalties, etc., there's a big gap between "I'm not making any money on what I did because GPL prevents me from collecting royalties" and "that company over there is getting rich off my work and they won't even say thanks." From dante at plethora.net Thu Jul 5 15:33:02 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:23:23PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > >Yep, the BSD-Public Domain License. Without the advertising requirement it > >is a dead on givaway, freebie, handout. That is why the Corporations love > >it so much. It lets them take your work without giving _ANY_ recompense. > > > >I'll stick with GPL thank-you-very-much. > > But under the terms of the GPL you can't charge royalties and such > anyway. > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. Dan From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 16:21:43 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my > compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? > Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. Can be. But code parity isn't always easy to establish, and you feel gypped in a non-parity transaction of any sort! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Jul 5 16:33:53 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I don't get it--multiple X sessions w/kdm Message-ID: <200107052155.f65LtIK27979@sprite.real-time.com> So I decided to have kdm start two X sessions. My /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers looks like this: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp /etc/X11/kdm/kdm-config looks like this (abridged): DisplayManager._0.authorize: true DisplayManager._1.authorize: true DisplayManager._0.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup DisplayManager._1.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup DisplayManager._0.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup DisplayManager._1.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup DisplayManager._0.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset DisplayManager._1.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset However, once I restart KDM, I can log into :0 just fine. However, when I switch to :1, all I get is a black screen. Worse yet, I cannot switch to another console afterwards. CTRL-ALT-F# and CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE don't work, but the three-fingered salute still works. Also, if I switch to a text console and then back to X, it freezes up. I have also tried it with the DisplayManager options all *'ed; that is, for example, DisplayManager*authorize. Still doesn't work. I have searched Google and read the fine man pages, and it seems that the above _should_ work...but obviously doesn't. Relevent info: Progeny/Debian, GeForce2 MX. Any ideas what the problem might be? TIA, :Peter From slushpupie at iexposure.com Thu Jul 5 17:13:01 2001 From: slushpupie at iexposure.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I don't get it--multiple X sessions w/kdm In-Reply-To: <200107052155.f65LtIK27979@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200107052155.f65LtIK27979@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <01070517130102.01027@friday.tarsk.com> I have a basic setup using kdm on a (overly) modified Mandrake with 2 X servers going. /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 : 0 tty07 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86config-4.hires :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 : 0 tty08 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86config-4.lores /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config: DisplayManager._0.authorize: true DisplayManager._1.authorize: true DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 DisplayManager._0.startup: /etc/X11/xdm/GiveConsole DisplayManager._0.reset: /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole DisplayManager._1.setup: /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_1 /etc/X11/xdm/GiveConsole: chown $USER /dev/console /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w "/var/log/wtmp" -u "/var/run/utmp" \ -x "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers" -l $DISPLAY -h "" $USER /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole: chmod 622 /dev/console chown root /dev/console /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -d -w "/var/log/wtmp" -u "/var/run/utmp" \ -x "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers" -l $DISPLAY -h "" $USER /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_[01]: (both files are the same, taken from Mandrake Setup) if [ -f /etc/profile.d/kde.sh ];then . /etc/profile.d/kde.sh fi [ -z "$KDEDIR" ] && KDEDIR=/usr if [ -x $KDEDIR/bin/kdmdesktop ];then $KDEDIR/bin/kdmdesktop else /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid "#666699" /usr/X11R6/bin/xconsole -geometry 480x130-0-0 -daemon -notify -verbose -fn fixed -exitOnFail fi if [ -x /etc/X11/xinit/fixkeyboard ]; then /etc/X11/xinit/fixkeyboard fi This whole setup works. It occationally will mess up with the video (my guess is a shared memory problem), but just restarting KDM seems to take care of that. You might want to check that you actuly have 2 X servers running once you get it set up. (`ps auxf` to see where they are all coming from) Also, make sure to check the log files. Most of the time you will see /var/log/XFree86.0.log and /var/log/XFree86.1.log if they both were started. The log files should also give you a clue as to why they died. Jay On Thursday 05 July 2001 4:33 pm, you wrote: > So I decided to have kdm start two X sessions. My > > /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers looks like this: > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > /etc/X11/kdm/kdm-config looks like this (abridged): > > DisplayManager._0.authorize: true > DisplayManager._1.authorize: true > DisplayManager._0.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup > DisplayManager._1.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup > DisplayManager._0.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup > DisplayManager._1.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup > DisplayManager._0.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset > DisplayManager._1.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset > > However, once I restart KDM, I can log into :0 just fine. > However, when I switch to :1, all I get is a black screen. Worse yet, I > cannot switch to another console afterwards. CTRL-ALT-F# and > CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE don't work, but the three-fingered salute still > works. Also, if I switch to a text console and then back to X, it > freezes up. I have also tried it with the DisplayManager options all > *'ed; that is, for example, DisplayManager*authorize. Still doesn't > work. I have searched Google and read the fine man pages, and it seems > that the above _should_ work...but obviously doesn't. Relevent info: > Progeny/Debian, GeForce2 MX. Any ideas what the problem might be? > TIA, > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Hope not, lest ye be disappointed. -- M. Horner From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 18:21:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? In-Reply-To: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> References: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: <20010705182127.21c9cd20.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Michael Town wrote: > > My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as > seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so > I'm safe there (I think). Well, /etc is a good thing to back up. Config files sometimes end up in /var as well. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 90% of all statistics are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ made up on the spot. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010705/dd032912/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 18:24:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010705182427.3d7bb13d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my > > compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? > > Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. > > Can be. But code parity isn't always easy to establish, and you feel > gypped in a non-parity transaction of any sort! Hmm.. Perhaps, though I've obtained this entire operating system for (nearly) free. I think I'm the one that's behind when it comes to parity.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ An unbreakable toy is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ useful for breaking \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) other toys. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010705/f9c4f1fd/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 5 18:36:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 03:33:02PM -0500 References: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010705183638.T32517@real-time.com> Quoting Daniel Taylor (dante@plethora.net): > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my > compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? > Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. I have to agree here. Code for code is a decent deal. I love when I find someone elses code that almost solves my problem. A few tweaks, and it solves my problems. A quick cvs update or email/patch and the author has your code. It's just nice. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dante at plethora.net Thu Jul 5 19:20:17 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my > > compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? > > Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. > > Can be. But code parity isn't always easy to establish, and you feel > gypped in a non-parity transaction of any sort! > My experience has been that while any single source gets more than they give on a GPL'd project, _every_ source ultimately gets more than they put in (not necessarily on a single project, but in aggregate). I know that I have gotten a lot more out of GPL'd projects than you might expect. Dan From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 19:01:03 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > My experience has been that while any single source gets more than they > give on a GPL'd project, _every_ source ultimately gets more than they put > in (not necessarily on a single project, but in aggregate). I know that I > have gotten a lot more out of GPL'd projects than you might expect. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jul 5 20:28:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705183638.T32517@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 06:36:38PM -0500 References: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> <20010705183638.T32517@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 06:36:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >I have to agree here. Code for code is a decent deal. I love when I find someone >elses code that almost solves my problem. A few tweaks, and it solves my >problems. A quick cvs update or email/patch and the author has your code. Some people code for cash. I don't see a problem with that. Everyone deserves to make a living and talented programmers should be faily well off IMHO. Again, not against free stuff but we shouldn't hate people for trying to make a living. Anyone who thinks that people shouldn't be paid for hard work and briliant code should try writing some sometime. jeez, you think I was a programmer and not a grouchy sysadmin. > >It's just nice. > >:-) >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010705/8a79dda4/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 20:53:44 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > jeez, you think I was a programmer and not a grouchy sysadmin. Nah, Ben, we'd never think that. You can write code or e-mail, but you can't write both. ;D -- "After all is said and done, more is typically said than done." --Dave Cutler From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 5 20:58:38 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705182427.3d7bb13d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > > > The GPL specifies source release, you didn't think I wanted all of my > > > compensation for the code I write in _money_ did you? > > > Getting code in exchange for code is a pretty decent deal in my book. > > > > Can be. But code parity isn't always easy to establish, and you feel > > gypped in a non-parity transaction of any sort! > > Hmm.. Perhaps, though I've obtained this entire operating system for > (nearly) free. I think I'm the one that's behind when it comes to > parity.. No, that's the "free as in air" part of the GPL. You can't be behind, on a GPL trade, ever. GPL gives it away even if noone wants it. Or if everyone wants it. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jul 5 21:44:58 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] I dont get it--multiple X sessions wkdm.sdm In-Reply-To: <01070517130102.01027@friday.tarsk.com> References: <200107052155.f65LtIK27979@sprite.real-time.com> <01070517130102.01027@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010706.2445800@LinWin.MShome> Interesting. But one uses xdm (works) and the other uses kdm (doesn't work). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/5/01, 5:13:01 PM, Jay Kline wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] I dont get it--multiple X sessions wkdm.sdm: > I have a basic setup using kdm on a (overly) modified Mandrake with 2 X servers going. > /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers: > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 : 0 tty07 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86config-4.hires > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 : 0 tty08 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86config-4.lores > /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config: > DisplayManager._0.authorize: true > DisplayManager._1.authorize: true > DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 > DisplayManager._0.startup: /etc/X11/xdm/GiveConsole > DisplayManager._0.reset: /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole > DisplayManager._1.setup: /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_1 > /etc/X11/xdm/GiveConsole: > chown $USER /dev/console > /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w "/var/log/wtmp" -u "/var/run/utmp" \ > -x "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers" -l $DISPLAY -h "" $USER > /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole: > chmod 622 /dev/console > chown root /dev/console > /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -d -w "/var/log/wtmp" -u "/var/run/utmp" \ > -x "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers" -l $DISPLAY -h "" $USER > /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_[01]: (both files are the same, taken from Mandrake Setup) > if [ -f /etc/profile.d/kde.sh ];then > . /etc/profile.d/kde.sh > fi > [ -z "$KDEDIR" ] && KDEDIR=/usr > if [ -x $KDEDIR/bin/kdmdesktop ];then > $KDEDIR/bin/kdmdesktop > else > /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid "#666699" > /usr/X11R6/bin/xconsole -geometry 480x130-0-0 -daemon -notify -verbose -fn fixed -exitOnFail > fi > if [ -x /etc/X11/xinit/fixkeyboard ]; then > /etc/X11/xinit/fixkeyboard > fi > This whole setup works. It occationally will mess up with the video (my guess > is a shared memory problem), but just restarting KDM seems to take care of > that. You might want to check that you actuly have 2 X servers running once > you get it set up. (`ps auxf` to see where they are all coming from) Also, > make sure to check the log files. Most of the time you will see > /var/log/XFree86.0.log > and > /var/log/XFree86.1.log > if they both were started. The log files should also give you a clue as to > why they died. > Jay > On Thursday 05 July 2001 4:33 pm, you wrote: > > So I decided to have kdm start two X sessions. My > > > > /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers looks like this: > > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > > > /etc/X11/kdm/kdm-config looks like this (abridged): > > > > DisplayManager._0.authorize: true > > DisplayManager._1.authorize: true > > DisplayManager._0.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup > > DisplayManager._1.setup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xsetup > > DisplayManager._0.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup > > DisplayManager._1.startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xstartup > > DisplayManager._0.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset > > DisplayManager._1.reset: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/kdm/Xreset > > > > However, once I restart KDM, I can log into :0 just fine. > > However, when I switch to :1, all I get is a black screen. Worse yet, I > > cannot switch to another console afterwards. CTRL-ALT-F# and > > CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE don't work, but the three-fingered salute still > > works. Also, if I switch to a text console and then back to X, it > > freezes up. I have also tried it with the DisplayManager options all > > *'ed; that is, for example, DisplayManager*authorize. Still doesn't > > work. I have searched Google and read the fine man pages, and it seems > > that the above _should_ work...but obviously doesn't. Relevent info: > > Progeny/Debian, GeForce2 MX. Any ideas what the problem might be? > > TIA, > > > > :Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Hope not, lest ye be disappointed. > -- M. Horner > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 5 23:22:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 08:28:36PM -0500 References: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> <20010705183638.T32517@real-time.com> <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010705232222.A3277@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Some people code for cash. I don't see a problem with that. Everyone > deserves to make a living and talented programmers should be faily well > off IMHO. -I- make a living by writing code, so I think I am qualified to speak on the topic. Most of the code I have written is available at Real Time's SourceForge project. More is there every week. I read somewhere, that open source is -not- a business model, it's a software development model. This is what Real Time does. We develop everything open source. The business model is for clients to pay us to install, maintain, package, monitor, secure and support the open source components. > Again, not against free stuff but we shouldn't hate people for trying to > make a living. Anyone who thinks that people shouldn't be paid for hard > work and briliant code should try writing some sometime. Sounds more like prepping the Linux world for some commerical software offerings from Sistina. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 6 00:06:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM ia64 computer? Message-ID: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com> I swear I read that IBM has an IA64 computer for sale, but I cannot find it on their web site anywhere. Was I sleep deprived when I read this? Just wishful thinking? Since Redhat will announce on Monday Redhat 7.1 for IA64, I wanted to know where the heck you could run this. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 6 00:43:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB timeout (Kernel 2.4.6) Message-ID: Hey all, I've got an $%^&* USB KVM switch, and since I upgraded to 2.4.6, sometimes when I switch between machines, Linux doesn't recover the USB devices. Syslog shows: Jul 6 00:39:43 dragon kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 33 Jul 6 00:39:46 dragon kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Jul 6 00:39:47 dragon kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 34 Jul 6 00:39:50 dragon kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout when I switch back. Usually Linux recovers a lot faster than Doze, but right now I'm stuck with a dead X session. I am SSH'd in, but I can't reboot now cause I'm in mid-download - and I can't even check when the download's done, cause it's in a different workspace (: Anyone know any good USB-Reset schemes? I'll let it all run till tomorrow anyway, but I want some ideas for next time. -Yaron -- From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Jul 6 01:28:03 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I don't get it--multiple X sessions w/kdm In-Reply-To: <200107052155.f65LtIK27979@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp Try giving them tty's explicitly. E.g.: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 tty7 -dpi 100 :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 tty8 -dpi 100 Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 6 07:23:12 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM ia64 computer? In-Reply-To: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I swear I read that IBM has an IA64 computer for sale, but I cannot find it on > their web site anywhere. > > Was I sleep deprived when I read this? Just wishful thinking? > > Since Redhat will announce on Monday Redhat 7.1 for IA64, I wanted to > know where the heck you could run this. I am not in touch with that scene too much, but in comp.os.vms there has been a lot of info about IA64 and who has it, since Intel's *VERY* Microsoft-ish purchase of the Alpha design team. If you look on google, and are ready to do some pretty serious wading through FUD, politics, and religious fervor, you can probably find some good clues there. IBM I think does, but I also believe there are a couple of other companies with machines ready to go. (HP, I think.) You won't be able to touch any of them for less than about $5k, from the sounds of what I hear on the grapevine. Note: The IA64 isn't going to be competitive until at *least* it's third generation, from the sounds of both Intel and non-Intel sources. (Hearsay from me, I realize.) But one possible reason they bought Alpha is to cover their as* in case they can't fix IA64. Bastards. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From kdeborah8 at qwest.net Fri Jul 6 07:56:34 2001 From: kdeborah8 at qwest.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? References: <200107051722.f65HMDT07107@inari.shadowmaster.org> Message-ID: <008801c1061b$2497db20$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Also check in /usr/local some programs put there config files in the etc directory under /usr/local or /usr/local/(program dir). Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Town" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Switching - What files to back up? > Hey guys, > I'm planning on switching my server from Mandrake 7.1 to a Debian potato > box. At the moment, my server is acting as: Email server, Web server, > File server, Domain controller, FTP server (non-annonymous), Primary DNS, > and firewall (well, NAT anyway). > > My question is: which files will I need to back up to make the switch as > seamless as possible? My /Home directory is a separate partition, so I'm > safe there (I think). What I know for sure is my /root user directory, > along with my apache and samba config files. Also my passwd, shadow and > groups files. I'm also guessing the /etc/sysconfig directory (at least > the network files) > > I know I'm missing some, I just can't for the life of me remember what > they are. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Town > shadow@shadowmaster.org > -------- > As time goes by > in this give and take, > as long as I learn, > I will make mistakes. > - The Beastie Boys, "Just A Test" > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 6 09:19:09 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM ia64 computer? In-Reply-To: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:06:44AM -0500 References: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010706091909.B3674@blackice> I haven't seen anything about IBM, but I hit Dell's website yesterday and saw them. I'm not sure if they're selling them yet or not (they didn't have any links to configuring an IA64 system or anything), but they've at elast announced them. Gabe On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:06:44AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I swear I read that IBM has an IA64 computer for sale, but I cannot find it on > their web site anywhere. > > Was I sleep deprived when I read this? Just wishful thinking? > > Since Redhat will announce on Monday Redhat 7.1 for IA64, I wanted to know where > the heck you could run this. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 6 09:29:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM ia64 computer? In-Reply-To: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010706092903.A13857@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010706 00:08]: > I swear I read that IBM has an IA64 computer for sale, but I cannot find it on > their web site anywhere. over $4k for a 800mhz with 4mb cache processor. yikes. for *just* the processor mind you. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 6 09:31:15 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010706093114.B13857@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010705 20:29]: > work and briliant code should try writing some sometime. Oh yes, because its all about the code and not the enabling of 'freedom' to those who can't, and those who want to but couldn't until they saw some code that was brilliant. Or is the FSF just a figment of my imagination? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 6 09:37:05 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM ia64 computer? In-Reply-To: <20010706092903.A13857@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 09:29:03AM -0500 References: <20010706000644.G3277@real-time.com> <20010706092903.A13857@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010706093705.C3674@blackice> $4k is _cheap_ compared to any other processor I can think of that has 4 MB of cache (MIPS r12k, MIPS r14k, IBM Power3, IBM Power4...). IA64 isn't targeted for consumer desktops, ATM, it's targeted for HPC and Enterprise-level servers. Gabe On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 09:29:03AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Bob Tanner [010706 00:08]: > > I swear I read that IBM has an IA64 computer for sale, but I cannot find it on > > their web site anywhere. > > over $4k for a 800mhz with 4mb cache processor. yikes. for *just* the > processor mind you. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Jul 6 10:12:40 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switching HD's. Message-ID: <3B45D555.63CAFDF9@eetc.com> I'm switching one of my installations to a different HD. What do I have to do? I'm planning on copying from one drive to another. So.... (after formating /dev/sdbX of course). reboot into secondary installation. cp /dev/sdaX /dev/sdbX mount /dev/sdbX /mnt/test change the lilo.conf file on /dev/sdbX run "lilo -c /mnt/test/etc/lilo.conf insert the new OS into the lilo.conf of the currently booted installation. rerun lilo reboot Does this sound correct? I suppose it won't hurt anything. :-) What about installing on ReiserFS? It's already compiled into the 2.4.6 kernel. Will it boot without any problems? sim From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jul 6 10:16:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's next, ban GPL stuff on NT (we can only hope) In-Reply-To: <20010705232222.A3277@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:22:22PM -0500 References: <20010705143412.D1907@minime.sistina.com> <20010705183638.T32517@real-time.com> <20010705202836.B3475@minime.sistina.com> <20010705232222.A3277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010706101636.G6381@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:22:22PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Sounds more like prepping the Linux world for some commerical software offerings >from Sistina. Note: Opionions expressed by me on this list are just that. My opinions and are not in anyway affected by or do the affect my employment at Sistina. I don't even really get to hangout with the coders much anymore. :-( -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010706/32dc551a/attachment.pgp From sos at zjod.net Fri Jul 6 11:04:44 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switching HD's. In-Reply-To: <3B45D555.63CAFDF9@eetc.com> from "Simeon Johnston" at Jul 06, 2001 10:12:40 AM Message-ID: <200107061604.LAA00838@zjod.net> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I'm switching one of my installations to a different HD. What do I have > to do? > I'm planning on copying from one drive to another. > So.... (after formating /dev/sdbX of course). > > reboot into secondary installation. > cp /dev/sdaX /dev/sdbX NO! This won't do what you think it will. Sugggest instead: if /dev/sdaX and /dev/sdbX are the same size: then dd if=/dev/sdaX of=/dev/sdbX else mkfs /dev/sdbX fsck /dev/sdbX mount /dev/sdbX /mnt/tmp cd $MOUNTPOINT_FOR_sdaX find . -mount -print | cpio -pdumva /mnt/tmp umount /mnt/tmp fsck /dev/sdbX fi Caveat: Neither /dev/sdaX nor /dev/sdbX should be mounted if you're gonna use dd(1) for the copy. Oh yeah... make a boot floppy, too ;-) > mount /dev/sdbX /mnt/test > change the lilo.conf file on /dev/sdbX > run "lilo -c /mnt/test/etc/lilo.conf > insert the new OS into the lilo.conf of the currently booted > installation. > rerun lilo > reboot > > Does this sound correct? I suppose it won't hurt anything. :-) > What about installing on ReiserFS? It's already compiled into the 2.4.6 > kernel. Will it boot without any problems? > > sim Hope this helps'idly, -S From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Jul 6 11:55:28 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switching HD's. References: <200107061604.LAA00838@zjod.net> Message-ID: <3B45ED5F.7E7B6F27@eetc.com> Steve Siegfried wrote: > Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > I'm switching one of my installations to a different HD. What do I have > > to do? > > I'm planning on copying from one drive to another. > > So.... (after formating /dev/sdbX of course). > > > > reboot into secondary installation. > > cp /dev/sdaX /dev/sdbX > > NO! This won't do what you think it will. > > Sugggest instead: > if /dev/sdaX and /dev/sdbX are the same size: > then dd if=/dev/sdaX of=/dev/sdbX Not exactly the same size. > else mkfs /dev/sdbX > fsck /dev/sdbX > mount /dev/sdbX /mnt/tmp Make file system and mount. Gotcha. > cd $MOUNTPOINT_FOR_sdaX K. > find . -mount -print | cpio -pdumva /mnt/tmp What does this do? > umount /mnt/tmp > fsck /dev/sdbX > fi I really don't understand what the find command above does. I was thinking about the Ghetto Ghost thing. If you mean cp won't work I can understand that. How bout "cat"? I just need the info from the partitions copied. I can rerun lilo. Actually, I'll have to rerun lilo. Not an option. > Oh yeah... make a boot floppy, too ;-) Boot floppy? Boot Floppy?!?! We don't need no stinking Boot Floppies.... :-) I'm not too worried. Got 3 different OS's booting off the same drive. I got options. The OS needed to be moved is self contained. LILO on the first part of the partition. Single partition install. Should be completely separate from the others (Well, as separate as can be on the same drive). sim From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Jul 6 12:11:28 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Tech support (Funny) Message-ID: Check out today's ubersoft.net cartoon for a spin on Linux Tech Support from a M$ viewpoint: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20010706.html From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 6 12:21:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switching HD's. In-Reply-To: <3B45ED5F.7E7B6F27@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:55:28AM -0500 References: <200107061604.LAA00838@zjod.net> <3B45ED5F.7E7B6F27@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010706122144.B7334@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:55:28AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > find . -mount -print | cpio -pdumva /mnt/tmp > > What does this do? find . -mount -print Generates a list of all files in the current directory and its subdirectories on the same device. (i.e., If you do this in / and /usr is mounted from elsewhere, this won't descend into /usr.) cpio -pdumva /mnt/tmp Copies each file passed on stdin (which is coming from find, so it'll be everything on the partition) to the same relative path under /mnt/tmp. See man cpio for all the gory details. IOW, this does exactly what you probably assumed cp would do. However, a plain cp would hose all your file permissions (everything would be owned by the user who ran cp (probably root)), set all file creation times to when the cp was done, turn symlinks into real files, and just generally screw things up. cp -a (-a = archive) is less bad, but is still tripped up by links and special (/dev/foo) files. You can do tricks with tar that will usually get you copied over safely, but cpio is generally agreed to be the best/safest way to move directories that contain more than just regular files. > > umount /mnt/tmp > > fsck /dev/sdbX > > fi > > I really don't understand what the find command above does. It uses fsck to verify that the copy of your filesystem is valid, after unmounting it. Running fsck on a mounted fs is generally a Bad Idea. (Unless it's mounted read-only.) > If you mean cp won't work I can understand that. How bout "cat"? cat would probably cause even more problems than cp. > I just need the info from the partitions copied. I can rerun lilo. > Actually, I'll have to rerun lilo. Not an option. Correct. From peter.clark at tides.com Fri Jul 6 12:03:58 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: I got it Re: [TCLUG] I don't get it--multiple X sessions w/kdm Message-ID: <200107061725.f66HP5K21000@sprite.real-time.com> --- "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > > > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > Try giving them tty's explicitly. E.g.: > > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 tty7 -dpi 100 > :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 tty8 -dpi 100 Ok, this worked...but only after I reinstalled kdm. I had tried it before, with no luck. Very strange... Also, if anyone is interested, I found a small little program called rcconf that acts pretty much like ntsysv on RedHat (selects what programs to run on boot). Just apt-get install rcconf. Nice. :Peter From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 6 12:27:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy based dump/restore? In-Reply-To: ; from npt@visi.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:47:43PM -0500 References: <20010703154317.A22514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010706122739.E10282@real-time.com> > i've used that, but does it have dump/restore on it? guess you're right. it doesn't have dump/restore on it. :( one could concievably build a custom tomsrtbt with restore on it (tho you'd have to compile it on a machine with the right library version); by removing the commands you don't need; but yeah, it's not a trivial project unless you've done it before. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Fri Jul 6 12:06:08 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] safe ftp? Message-ID: Just something I've been trying to figure out lately. How to do FTP and probably POP without putting a big 'root me' sign on the box. I've got a pretty good thing going for my OpenBSD box (details if you want them) but I haven't tried this on Linux yet. I also figure this another 're-inventing the wheel' thing so other folks should have solved this one well by now. Josh From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jul 6 14:01:26 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] safe ftp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua Jore writes: > Just something I've been trying to figure out lately. How to do FTP and > probably POP without putting a big 'root me' sign on the box. I've got a > pretty good thing going for my OpenBSD box (details if you want them) but Those might be interesting to find out about. I've got an OpenBSD box at home that I've been thinking about opening some services up on again. > I haven't tried this on Linux yet. I also figure this another > 're-inventing the wheel' thing so other folks should have solved this one > well by now. How about sftp? It's a different protocol, but it's more secure. That or just use ssh/scp. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From npt at visi.com Fri Jul 6 14:13:06 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy based dump/restore? In-Reply-To: <20010706122739.E10282@real-time.com> Message-ID: carl, thanks for the help... i did finally get it going yesterday, and i must say a custom built tom's disk is one of the more useful floppies i've ever had in my life. :) restored the box just fine, from 16gb worth of tape. very, very happy. thanks so much for the tip! nick ------------------------------------------ unix. nick thompson npt@visi.com ------------------------------------------ On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > i've used that, but does it have dump/restore on it? > guess you're right. it doesn't have dump/restore on it. :( > one could concievably build a custom tomsrtbt with restore on it > (tho you'd have to compile it on a machine with the right library version); > by removing the commands you don't need; but yeah, it's not a trivial > project unless you've done it before. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Fri Jul 6 13:37:19 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] safe ftp? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep, I'd love to require that people use SFTP|SCP|SafeTP but I can't. That's why I'm trying to get this to work well *w/* FTP. So here was what I did for OpenBSD: /etc/daily.local: perl -ne "s/:.*\$//;unless(/^.+-www\$/){print}else{print STDERR}" \ /etc/passwd 1> /etc/ftpusers 2> /etc/ftpchroot so I've got a user named 'qw' whose uid/gid are 1101. Create a second user named 'qw-www' using the same uid/gid but a different password. /home/qw is qw's home dir, /home/qw/data is qw-www's home dir. qw-www is chrooted to his home dir, qw can't ftp. Also create a group for ssh access and put qw into that group. This way qw can do ssh, qw-www ftp. This keeps the ftp-ed, insecure user+pass from being able to trojan the qw user or any other part of the system. I've also installed the TPE/Stephanie patchset. In this case, the qw user is trusted, the qw-www is not. The idea is, should qw-www be comprimised and somehow gain access to start executing binaries, the user is locked out from running things that aren't sanctioned by root. Supposedly the openwall patches for linux do something similar but I haven't checked them out. So... in general the qw-www is only able to muck with some of qw's files and if it is cracked it's highly unlikely to be able to do damage to anything. I'm also considering some daemons untrusted so if *those* are hacked, they're chrooted, in a regular user accound and can't execute unapproved stuff. All in all, I sleep better. So about doing this in *Linux*.... Josh On 6 Jul 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > Joshua Jore writes: > > > Just something I've been trying to figure out lately. How to do FTP and > > probably POP without putting a big 'root me' sign on the box. I've got a > > pretty good thing going for my OpenBSD box (details if you want them) but > > Those might be interesting to find out about. I've got an OpenBSD box at home > that I've been thinking about opening some services up on again. > > > I haven't tried this on Linux yet. I also figure this another > > 're-inventing the wheel' thing so other folks should have solved this one > > well by now. > > How about sftp? It's a different protocol, but it's more secure. That or > just use ssh/scp. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 6 15:05:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switching HD's. In-Reply-To: <20010706122144.B7334@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Done this a few to many times myself. :) Read the hard drive upgrade howto (or is it a mini howto) VERY helpful. I've always done: partition and format new drive, mount new drive root partition on /mnt/new-disk, then mount new drive user, var, etc under /mnt/new-disk/usr, /mnt/new-disk/var, etc... Then: cp -a /bin /boot /etc /home /lib /root /sbin /usr/ /var /mnt/new-disk The a will recuse and preserve atributes and links, so symlinks continue to symlinks. But definitly read that howto. Info you need to know! Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 6 15:48:35 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKI Games Message-ID: Hi, Yes people, they're here, all neatly sorted out on my coffee table. Couple of smallish problems. (A) For some reason Loki sent me 10 copies of Tribes 2, rather than 15. Since, naturally, I get to keep one and Andy kets to keep his 1, that leaves 8. First 8 people to show up and ask for them at the next LUG meeting get them, the other get $24.95 from me. It would be nice to give priority to people who have ordered nothing BUT Tribes 2, if you all feel like being nice about it. (B) Alas, they shipped NO copies of MindRover, which one person had ordered. You'll geet a refund from me too. Unless, of course, Loki decide to ship me the rest of the games. Our contact is on vacation till Monday, so we'll have to see then. Oh, yeah, the photo's at http://www.yaron.org/pic/games.jpg -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 6 18:48:51 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] safe ftp? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010706184851.A21209@ringworld.org> * Joshua Jore [010706 14:48]: > Yep, I'd love to require that people use SFTP|SCP|SafeTP but I can't. > That's why I'm trying to get this to work well *w/* FTP. Force people to use sftp/scp. WinSCP and NiftyTelnetSSH are both fine clients. Mindterm Java does SCP, and scp does. uh. scp! > sanctioned by root. Supposedly the openwall patches for linux do something > similar but I haven't checked them out. Your talking about a form of MAC. A few of these exist for linux. The NSA has contracted with NAI to make one for linux. > So about doing this in *Linux*.... Look at LIDS. www.lids.org. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 6 20:14:55 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? Message-ID: <20010706201455.4951dc53.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I picked up a few CDs at Cheapo today, and one of them apparently has HDCD ("another Microsoft Buynnovation(tm)") encoding on it. I'm wondering, is there a way to rip that data? (I'm doubly intrigued, as the CD and liner notes bear no discernable copyright.) The scant FAQs at hdcd.com seem to indicate that the information actually gets spit out the digital output port on a standard CD player, so maybe I'll have to find some hardware solution.. Not that it matters, as my sound card only does 16-bit audio anyway (HDCD is supposedly 20-bit). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You can't have / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everything. Where would \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) you put it? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010706/d390d047/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 6 21:11:45 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <20010706201455.4951dc53.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > I picked up a few CDs at Cheapo today, and one of them apparently has HDCD > ("another Microsoft Buynnovation(tm)") encoding on it. I'm wondering, is > there a way to rip that data? (I'm doubly intrigued, as the CD and liner > notes bear no discernable copyright.) Did Microsoft buy them too now? What's next, will the annex the Sudetenland!? HDCD was developed by Pacific Microsonics, and the guys that did the work have done a heck of a good job. Their A/D convertor is pretty sweet too, but it's part of the HDCD system -- a $13,000 box. And that's pretty much cost -- they wanted to make their money off licensing decoders into CD players, the way Dolby did with B and C type noise reduction for cassette decks. I was never that convinced that the world _needed_ their solution, but their engineering was just dandy -- sounded good. I'm just skeptical of a solution that means everyone has to buy new gear. > The scant FAQs at hdcd.com seem to indicate that the information actually > gets spit out the digital output port on a standard CD player, so maybe > I'll have to find some hardware solution.. You can *only* find a harware solution, unfortunately. It's not something you could do in software even if you wanted to, really. It would bog down a fast machine. That spendy box I mentioned had 4 or 5 DSP processors running at the same time. I've got some of their whitepapers from the '97 AES convention in NYC, if you're really interested. > Not that it matters, as my sound card only does 16-bit audio anyway (HDCD > is supposedly 20-bit). 20-bit resolution stored in 16-bit data. But, not to worry -- if you don't decode it, you still get regular "CD quality" sound. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jul 6 22:47:03 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? References: Message-ID: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> > 20-bit resolution stored in 16-bit data. But, not to worry -- if you > don't decode it, you still get regular "CD quality" sound. Seems like too little to late to me. DVD audio anyone? AC3 5.1 96bit 96khz if you want it? From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jul 6 22:51:24 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed 0.5.0 released In-Reply-To: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010706225124.01abac12.blayer@qwest.net> The subject says it. Nice GUI client, has some GTK related issues but I like it a lot... http://sylpheed.good-day.net -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From nate at techie.com Sat Jul 7 00:02:19 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOKI Games In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:48:35PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010707000219.A3190@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:48:35PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Yes people, they're here, all neatly sorted out on my coffee table. Woohoo! I take it we'll get these that the July 14th meeting on Zope? > (B) Alas, they shipped NO copies of MindRover, which one person had > ordered. You'll geet a refund from me too. Damn! Out of the four games that I ordered, this is the one I really wanted. I just checked out Tux Games and it looks like they are sold out. Maybe I'll have to go up to Microcenter after next week's meeting to see if they have it. > Unless, of course, Loki decide to ship me the rest of the games. Our > contact is on vacation till Monday, so we'll have to see then. I hope they were just temporarily out of stock and are expecting to fulfill the whole order. > Oh, yeah, the photo's at http://www.yaron.org/pic/games.jpg *drool* Nate From root at localhost.localdomain Fri Jul 6 23:00:23 2001 From: root at localhost.localdomain (root) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem config Message-ID: <01070623002301.01217@localhost.localdomain> Hi tclug folks! Thanks for your help on configuring my modem! I'm now on the internet with linux. It was just a matter of making sure both my driver and hardware were in agreement on irq and i/o. To accomplish this, I have to run two commands (isapnp and setserial) everytime I start up. Is there a simple way to just make the computer do these commands automatically when it starts? Thanks! Jason (finally on the internet with linux!) From florin at iucha.net Sat Jul 7 09:20:36 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem config In-Reply-To: <01070623002301.01217@localhost.localdomain>; from root@localhost.localdomain.xoasis.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:00:23PM -0500 References: <01070623002301.01217@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010707092036.B23932@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:00:23PM -0500, root wrote: > > > Hi tclug folks! > > Thanks for your help on configuring my modem! I'm now on the internet with > linux. It was just a matter of making sure both my driver and hardware were > in agreement on irq and i/o. To accomplish this, I have to run two commands > (isapnp and setserial) everytime I start up. Is there a simple way to just > make the computer do these commands automatically when it starts? That depends on your distribution. I remember RedHat till 6.2 used to run setserial at boot. You can add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 7 10:23:28 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > 20-bit resolution stored in 16-bit data. But, not to worry -- if you > > don't decode it, you still get regular "CD quality" sound. > > Seems like too little to late to me. DVD audio anyone? AC3 5.1 96bit > 96khz if you want it? Try again. 24-bit, 96kHz. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From destef at destef.com Sat Jul 7 17:39:03 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Im sure this sounds like a conspiracy theory (and perhaps a bit off topic since i havnt been following this thread)...but do we really need 24bit, 96KHz or anything close to that? Research has shown that the current 16bit 44k rate is better quality than 99% of people hearing ability anyway, why make a newer format that is 5 times as much resolution? Hasnt 48K been around for a while already? Why not use that? Here's my theory...DVD's will replace CD's for audio cd's evenetually but people wont settle for 10% of the actual DVD media used on thier $18 album. How do you make people think they are getting more for their money? You increase the format by a factor of 5 and you can fill a dvd with about 140 mins of audio (a nice compromise on their part too) rathe than needing like 9 hours of music to fill a DVD in cd format. The last thing i want to have to do is replace several hundred CD's I own with new audio format DVD's because in 10 years the 16bit 44k format probably will go the way of the 8 track. There's nothing wrong with the current CD format for general purpose albums. 24bit 96k is a waste because the original masters for most recordings is 20bit anyway--and I'll pay money to anyone (except trained audio professionals) that can reliably tell the difference. And what about copying them? What a perfect way to get some new encryption scheme out there...and also to defer copying for the simple reason that the at 4gigs per album putting them on a 50cent CD is not possible without downsampling. But a least people will feel like they are getting a better deal for their money just because they are paying for a sheer number of more bits on the disc. Of course theres nothing i can do but embrace the new HDCD format...but I just like calling a spade a spade. Are ya with me on this one? Try not to flame me too hard if your not...just my personal opinion. :) Cheers!! At 10:23 AM 7/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >> > 20-bit resolution stored in 16-bit data. But, not to worry -- if you >> > don't decode it, you still get regular "CD quality" sound. >> >> Seems like too little to late to me. DVD audio anyone? AC3 5.1 96bit >> 96khz if you want it? > >Try again. 24-bit, 96kHz. > >-- >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Sat Jul 7 17:37:50 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 05:39:03PM -0500 References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010707173750.A11084@mudpiefoods.com> Jason DeStefano [07/07/01 17:39 -0500]: > > Are ya with me on this one? Try not to flame me too > hard if your not...just my personal opinion. :) > > Cheers!! > If you listen to it loud enough for long enough it just doesn't matter. Personally I can't tell the difference between listening to a live concert over the telephone and dolby 5.1. Of course you gotta have 5 phones. -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From blayer at qwest.net Sat Jul 7 18:36:54 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <20010707173750.A11084@mudpiefoods.com> References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> <20010707173750.A11084@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010707183654.39d1892f.blayer@qwest.net> On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:37:50 -0500 "AAAunderground" wrote: > If you listen to it loud enough for long enough it just doesn't matter. > Personally I can't tell the difference between listening to a live concert > over the telephone and dolby 5.1. Of course you gotta have 5 phones. err, an analog telephone has a notch of bandwidth from about 300-3000Hz... Just how bad _is_ your hearing?? ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jul 7 21:11:16 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <3B47C144.3F11A36F@haxxed.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > > Im sure this sounds like a conspiracy theory (and perhaps a bit > off topic since i havnt been following this thread)...but do we > really need 24bit, 96KHz or anything close to that? Research > has shown that the current 16bit 44k rate is better quality than > 99% of people hearing ability anyway, why make a newer format > that is 5 times as much resolution? Hasnt 48K been around for > a while already? Why not use that? More dynamic range. (Movies in particular tend to make more use of this. Ever notice how DVD's on a computer tend to sound quieter than most other audio sources? The average volume is kept down to allow more room for loud obnoxious dramatic orchestral hits during action scenes. ;) More headroom to perform audio processing without loosing perceptible aliasing artifacts. And if you've got this kind of quality in the studio, why not pass it on to the consumer? Data storage is cheap these days. > > Here's my theory...DVD's will replace CD's for audio cd's > evenetually but people wont settle for 10% of the actual DVD > media used on thier $18 album. How do you make people think > they are getting more for their money? You increase the format > by a factor of 5 and you can fill a dvd with about 140 mins of > audio (a nice compromise on their part too) rathe than needing > like 9 hours of music to fill a DVD in cd format. But they *are* getting more for their money. Its for the most part beyond the limits of human perception, but its there. ;) > The last thing i want to have to do is replace several hundred > CD's I own with new audio format DVD's because in 10 years > the 16bit 44k format probably will go the way of the 8 track. > There's nothing wrong with the current CD format for general > purpose albums. 24bit 96k is a waste because the original > masters for most recordings is 20bit anyway--and I'll pay money > to anyone (except trained audio professionals) that can reliably > tell the difference. http://www.cdrecordingsoftware.com/mimd442.html http://www.terratec.net/products/ewx2496/ewx2496_overview.htm http://aes.harmony-central.com/109AES/Content/Fostex/PR/D2424.html http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/apr00/articles/rmeadi96.htm http://www.TASCAM.com/ProductsTemplate.cfm?Category=DAT&ProductName=DA-45HR Mmmm... expensive hardware... > And what about copying them? What a perfect way to get some > new encryption scheme out there...and also to defer copying > for the simple reason that the at 4gigs per album putting them > on a 50cent CD is not possible without downsampling. Well you said yourself, 44.1khz 16bit is "Good Enough". And its been pretty well proven already that encryption of media formats is fundamentally flawed. And 4gigs will be childs play within 5 years. > Are ya with me on this one? Try not to flame me too > hard if your not...just my personal opinion. :) Personally, I'd rather see more bandwidth put into increasing framerate, but thats just me. 24/30fps film/video is only just 'Good Enough' to trick the human eye into seeing motion. There's far more room for improvement. Ever notice how eerily smooth a 3D game looks running on a monitor doing 82hz-100hz, assuming the game is that fast? ;) Ever play a video in xanim with it set to play at monitor refresh? Ever rendered a 60fps animation in a 3D program? Douglas Trumbull considered using 60fps film for the 'VR' parts of the movie 'Brainstorm', to give it that 'more real' quality. But dropped it considering there was no way they'd get theaters to upgrade. ;P One of these days I want to get a slow-motion camera to play with. Muhaha... From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Sat Jul 7 22:54:23 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> <3B47C144.3F11A36F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <3B47D96F.9050800@mn.rr.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > Jason DeStefano wrote: > >>Im sure this sounds like a conspiracy theory (and perhaps a bit >>off topic since i havnt been following this thread)...but do we >>really need 24bit, 96KHz or anything close to that? Research >>has shown that the current 16bit 44k rate is better quality than >>99% of people hearing ability anyway, why make a newer format >>that is 5 times as much resolution? Hasnt 48K been around for >>a while already? Why not use that? >> > > More dynamic range. (Movies in particular tend to make more use of this. > Ever notice how DVD's on a computer tend to sound quieter than most > other audio sources? The average volume is kept down to allow more room > for loud obnoxious dramatic orchestral hits during action scenes. ;) > I thought CDs already had 90dB of dynamic range I would think that's plenty. As far as audio equipment goes I think the time when any of us could really tell a difference has long passed. This discussion just happens to be great timing for a recent experience of mine. I was at Best Buy picking up some speakers to add to my home entertainment system. (I finally gave up on the old Left/Right speaker for DVDs and went to a five speaker system.) With new speakers I needed more speaker wire so being the tight ass I am I walk over to the cheapest 16 Ga wire I can find and grab a couple of 50ft packages. The sales guy walks over and says that I should really use better speaker cables if I want it to sound good. He wanted me to buy 16 Ga "Monster" cables for about 3 times as much money. Well being that I know better I just kind of laughed and told him that I was sure that the el cheapo cables would be just fine. Bob Pease the lead analog scientist at National Semiconductor has spoken out about speaker cables in the past: (along with many other hoaxes, at least one is UNIX related so this is kind of on topic) http://www.national.com/rap/Story/0,1562,3,00.html http://www.planetee.com/planetee/servlet/DisplayDocument?ArticleID=768 I bet if you were inclined to look you could find more. Or you could argue with him but I am certain you would lose. My point being that as even though the technology has gotten better I bet that in a blind test none of us could tell the difference. Ooh, SG-1 is on in ten minutes, I gotta go. Have fun, watch your wallet. SG, O.S.D. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 00:12:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:46 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: I'll be brief; you can thank me later. :) Steve, I can go into great detail about why you probably made a reasonable choice on speaker cables -- despite all the hype and buzz (pun intended.) And good for you! (I can also explain why some people *can* hear the difference, and why it doesn't matter!) Jason, I'd love to chat with you about the philosophy of why we do or don't need anything better than 44.1kHz 16-bit audio formats. Callum, dynamic range, multi-channel formats, when "more bits is better," -- and when it's not. Poor Mike, who just wanted to listen to his CD in the first place! Perceptual coding (MP3, AC3, blah blah), why the heuristic characteristics of the Human Auditory System render most discussions of "what's better" academic -- all fun. *BUT*, these things are probably better done at the next beer meeting! :) Phil M. Chief Engineer, Hotdish Mastering (now when I feel like it.) Past President, Upper Midwest Section, Audio Engineering Society Linux geek who bought an SGI to get a decent soundcard. :) From veldy at veldy.net Sun Jul 8 01:10:32 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <000a01c10774$b1d06570$0101a8c0@cascade> The obvious answer to me will be multiple tracks. Surround sound to the extreme. Consider 8 track digital audio at 24-bit rate. You just might get up into DVD storage ranges on this. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DeStefano" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDCD? > Im sure this sounds like a conspiracy theory (and perhaps a bit > off topic since i havnt been following this thread)...but do we > really need 24bit, 96KHz or anything close to that? Research > has shown that the current 16bit 44k rate is better quality than > 99% of people hearing ability anyway, why make a newer format > that is 5 times as much resolution? Hasnt 48K been around for > a while already? Why not use that? > > > Here's my theory...DVD's will replace CD's for audio cd's > evenetually but people wont settle for 10% of the actual DVD > media used on thier $18 album. How do you make people think > they are getting more for their money? You increase the format > by a factor of 5 and you can fill a dvd with about 140 mins of > audio (a nice compromise on their part too) rathe than needing > like 9 hours of music to fill a DVD in cd format. > > The last thing i want to have to do is replace several hundred > CD's I own with new audio format DVD's because in 10 years > the 16bit 44k format probably will go the way of the 8 track. > There's nothing wrong with the current CD format for general > purpose albums. 24bit 96k is a waste because the original > masters for most recordings is 20bit anyway--and I'll pay money > to anyone (except trained audio professionals) that can reliably > tell the difference. > > And what about copying them? What a perfect way to get some > new encryption scheme out there...and also to defer copying > for the simple reason that the at 4gigs per album putting them > on a 50cent CD is not possible without downsampling. > > But a least people will feel like they are getting a better deal > for their money just because they are paying for a sheer number > of more bits on the disc. > > > Of course theres nothing i can do but embrace the new HDCD > format...but I just like calling a spade a spade. > > Are ya with me on this one? Try not to flame me too > hard if your not...just my personal opinion. :) > > Cheers!! > > At 10:23 AM 7/7/01 -0500, you wrote: > >On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > >> > 20-bit resolution stored in 16-bit data. But, not to worry -- if you > >> > don't decode it, you still get regular "CD quality" sound. > >> > >> Seems like too little to late to me. DVD audio anyone? AC3 5.1 96bit > >> 96khz if you want it? > > > >Try again. 24-bit, 96kHz. > > > >-- > >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Jul 8 09:39:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <000a01c10774$b1d06570$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 01:10:32AM -0500 References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> <000a01c10774$b1d06570$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010708093940.B13465@real-time.com> > The obvious answer to me will be multiple tracks. Surround sound to the > extreme. Consider 8 track digital audio at 24-bit rate. You just might get > up into DVD storage ranges on this. some years ago, I read something in Stereo Review about holographic storage; and one day being able to hold umpteen hundred GB in a plastic cube an inch on a side. a reader later wrote in, proposing that instead of storing 400+ hours of music; why not store 400+ tracks, for an hour each? have a separate track for each of the instruments in an orchestra; and be able to rearrange them spatially, adjust volume, etc., on an individual or sectional basis. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 8 09:55:05 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <3B47C144.3F11A36F@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:11:16PM -0500 References: <3B468637.614CC075@haxxed.com> <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> <3B47C144.3F11A36F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010708095505.A28858@sherohman.org> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:11:16PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > And its been pretty well proven already that encryption of media formats > is fundamentally flawed. Try explaining that to the people who want the encryption. Either they haven't noticed yet or they just don't care. From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 8 09:56:17 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:12:46AM -0500 References: <200107072239.f67Md1M29585@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010708095617.B28858@sherohman.org> On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:12:46AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > (I can also explain why some people *can* hear the difference, and why it > doesn't matter!) What's the short version on why it (officially) doesn't matter? From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Sun Jul 8 05:08:41 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <20010708095505.A28858@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Eh, perhaps media encryption isn't as flawed as we think it is. Obviously it's a technical barrier that can be surmounted. That much is obvious and perhaps MegaCo is still deluding itself about that. I'm of the mind that mostly this isn't a big issue for them. I think the major part of encryption is so they can go sue your ass a dozen ways to Sunday and have some big legal ammo to do it with. Josh On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:11:16PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > And its been pretty well proven already that encryption of media formats > > is fundamentally flawed. > > Try explaining that to the people who want the encryption. Either > they haven't noticed yet or they just don't care. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Sun Jul 8 06:03:19 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eh, lemme ammend that a spot. The implementation of legal+technical appears to be mostly well done (from the viewpoint of MegaCo) and that's my point. I don't however, subscribe to the idea that this particular legal implementation should have ever seen the light of day. Josh On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > Eh, perhaps media encryption isn't as flawed as we think it is. Obviously > it's a technical barrier that can be surmounted. That much is obvious and > perhaps MegaCo is still deluding itself about that. I'm of the mind that > mostly this isn't a big issue for them. I think the major part of > encryption is so they can go sue your ass a dozen ways to Sunday and have > some big legal ammo to do it with. > > Josh > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:11:16PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > And its been pretty well proven already that encryption of media formats > > > is fundamentally flawed. > > > > Try explaining that to the people who want the encryption. Either > > they haven't noticed yet or they just don't care. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 11:51:26 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: <20010708093940.B13465@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > a reader later wrote in, proposing that instead of storing 400+ > hours of music; why not store 400+ tracks, for an hour each? have a separate > track for each of the instruments in an orchestra; and be able to rearrange > them spatially, adjust volume, etc., on an individual or sectional basis. The gentle reader would have an easier time if they just hired their own damn orchestra. Then they could conduct / score / whatever however they see fit! :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 11:53:11 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <20010708095505.A28858@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:11:16PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > And its been pretty well proven already that encryption of media formats > > is fundamentally flawed. > > Try explaining that to the people who want the encryption. Either > they haven't noticed yet or they just don't care. The term I heard coined to describe this phenomenon, to much amusement of the audience at an AES panel discussion, was "electro-political." -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 11:54:25 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: <20010708095617.B28858@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:12:46AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > (I can also explain why some people *can* hear the difference, and why it > > doesn't matter!) > > What's the short version on why it (officially) doesn't matter? One word: heuristics. You can learn to hear around a myriad of non-linearities, the magnitude of which is sometimes quite astronomical. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 11:56:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Joshua Jore wrote: > Eh, lemme ammend that a spot. The implementation of legal+technical > appears to be mostly well done (from the viewpoint of MegaCo) and that's > my point. I don't however, subscribe to the idea that this particular > legal implementation should have ever seen the light of day. "You can't legislate common sense." -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 8 12:11:12 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 11:54:25AM -0500 References: <20010708095617.B28858@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010708121112.D28858@sherohman.org> On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 11:54:25AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:12:46AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > (I can also explain why some people *can* hear the difference, and why it > > > doesn't matter!) > > > > What's the short version on why it (officially) doesn't matter? > > One word: heuristics. You can learn to hear around a myriad of > non-linearities, the magnitude of which is sometimes quite astronomical. Right, but I would consider that to fall under the category of not being able to hear the difference, albeit for (presumably) psychological reasons rather than physical reasons. Just two different ways of saying the same thing, I guess. From andy at theasis.com Sun Jul 8 12:42:27 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > (I can also explain why some people *can* hear the difference, and why it > > > doesn't matter!) > > > > What's the short version on why it (officially) doesn't matter? > > One word: heuristics. You can learn to hear around a myriad of > non-linearities, the magnitude of which is sometimes quite astronomical. Besides that, it comes down to taste, e.g., which speakers sound better to _you_, esp. playing the music you like. And whether you care enough about that compared to the next-best pair to pay the additional $X. All the hype about "accuracy" of reproduction is mostly irrelevant, since in almost all cases, that does not map reliably onto the asthetic scape where the enjoyment lives. In other words, I can easily hear the difference between 128 K mp3s and original CD media on mediocre PC speakers, but I don't care much most of the time. I can still appreciate and enjoy the *music*. (I _have_ done that discrimination test, to the satisfaction of sceptics, BTW, as well as the one that shows I can distinguish among skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milk. The latter is more important to me.) Andy From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 12:57:54 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: <20010708121112.D28858@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Right, but I would consider that to fall under the category of not > being able to hear the difference, albeit for (presumably) psychological > reasons rather than physical reasons. Just two different ways of saying > the same thing, I guess. Not exactly. More like adaptive optics, where they use dynamically corrective lenses to allow telescopes to compensate for the distortions that occur to light refracting through the atmosphere. It's not a matter of not being able to hear the difference, it's a matter of being able to *negate* the differences. Still beermeetin' fodder, though. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 13:05:45 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: OT [Re: [TCLUG] HDCD?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > In other words, I can easily hear the difference between 128 K mp3s and > original CD media on mediocre PC speakers, but I don't care much most of > the time. I can still appreciate and enjoy the *music*. Indeed. People will listen to a crappy recording of a really great performance, but a wonderful recording (production) of a crappy song is still like lipstick on a pig. Accurate speakers don't fix bad lyrics. And this really is my last post in this thread, on-list. Carry on! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 17:30:13 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMS-style clustering comes to Linux?!?! (fwd) Message-ID: Ho ho! As much as I like Becker and the boys at CESDIS (Beowulf), now Scyld, this is pretty interesting. I don't know if Linux *can* be as reliable as VMS (whole 'nother can of worms), but the scalability stuff sure is nifty. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:46:36 GMT From: Scott Vieth Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: VMS-style clustering comes to Linux?!?! This little goodie showed-up in my inbox today: ====================================== In this issue: * VAX clustering makes a comeback * Links related to Linux * Featured reader resource _______________________________________________________________ TECHNOLOGY & VENDOR NEWS ALERTS Sign-up to receive e-mail news alerts on LANs, Storage, Network/Systems Management, The Edge, Cisco and Microsoft. Keep abreast of the most significant developments of the week in these specific technologies and for these vendors! Subscribe today at http://nww1.com/go/ad082.html _______________________________________________________________ Today's focus: A blast from the past By Phil Hochmuth Devotees of Digital Equipment were probably saddened when Compaq announced last week that it would phase out its 64-bit Alpha chip by 2004. So goes another old DEC technology into the history books. However, one group of programmers is bringing another old DEC technology - namely, VAX clustering - back into use, this time with Linux. Under a project called Distributed Lock Manager (DLM), the creators tout the software as "an implementation of the classic VAX cluster locking semantics for a Linux cluster." VAX is DEC's old mini-computer which housed the VMS operating system and for years was the standard in high-availability computing in large enterprises, rivaled only by IBM's mainframe. The machine was known for its superb clustering capabilities, which allowed between a dozen and several hundred machines to be grouped together to act as one large system. Nodes in the cluster could be brought up and down without notice from end users, making the cluster very reliable and scalable. While clustering technology exists today for Unix, Windows and Linux platforms, many long-time technology observers and users say that only the VAX ever got it right. Users with knowledge of VAX cluster administration should find DLM software familiar. DLM consists of software, a kernel module and daemon, plus shared API. The shared API runs on each client that controls the locking and unlocking of resources hosted by the cluster, such as applications and files. The DLM software also manages recovery of failed nodes, and the addition of new nodes to the cluster. The DLM code was previously used to support IBM's AIX-based high-availability system. However, with support for eight nodes, DLM does not match the clustering scale of the VAX, or even the commercial clustering systems available today. However, for users looking to put together a smallish, highly- available Linux cluster with Linux, DLM might be worth checking out. While documentation for the software is thin, DLM creators say some documentation from IBM on its high-availability clustering is complimentary to the DLM software, and is available at: http://www.rs6000.ibm.com/software/downloads/ha44lock.pdf _______________________________________________________________ To contact Phil Hochmuth: Phil Hochmuth is a staff writer for Network World, and a former systems integrator. You can reach him at mailto:phochmut@nww.com. _______________________________________________________________ RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS Check out the DLM web page http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/dlm/ Download the software http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/project/showfiles.php?group_id=27 &release_id=65 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 8 17:41:23 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMS-style clustering comes to Linux?!?! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Ho ho! As much as I like Becker and the boys at CESDIS (Beowulf), now > Scyld, this is pretty interesting. I don't know if Linux *can* be as > reliable as VMS (whole 'nother can of worms), but the scalability stuff > sure is nifty. Sorry to reply to my own -- I do realize the Linux ware is limited in scalability at this time. Anyway, it's still interesting to see Linux activity in other regions of computing, eh? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 8 20:15:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: <20010708093940.B13465@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > a reader later wrote in, proposing that instead of storing 400+ > hours of music; why not store 400+ tracks, for an hour each? have a separate > track for each of the instruments in an orchestra; and be able to rearrange > them spatially, adjust volume, etc., on an individual or sectional basis. You know, I can't count the number of times I've listened to songs that I wish I could dump the individual tracks into software, tweak them, and rebuild a CD mixed to my personal taste. The majority of people I know wouldn't care but I'm a rythym kinda guy so when I here a song with a really nice rythym guitar being too masked out by an obnoxious lead guitar. Then again, I'm kinda anal when it comes to this stuff so maybe I'm alone.. -Brian From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Sun Jul 8 17:14:52 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDCD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nah, that's actually pretty cool. There's been a few times where I've seriously disagreed with how the tracks were mixed. It's not often enough to make it worth sacrificing 400 hours@1track -> 400 tracks@1 hour. Josh On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > a reader later wrote in, proposing that instead of storing 400+ > > hours of music; why not store 400+ tracks, for an hour each? have a separate > > track for each of the instruments in an orchestra; and be able to rearrange > > them spatially, adjust volume, etc., on an individual or sectional basis. > > You know, I can't count the number of times I've listened to songs that I > wish I could dump the individual tracks into software, tweak them, and > rebuild a CD mixed to my personal taste. The majority of people I know > wouldn't care but I'm a rythym kinda guy so when I here a song with a > really nice rythym guitar being too masked out by an obnoxious lead > guitar. Then again, I'm kinda anal when it comes to this stuff so maybe > I'm alone.. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 8 23:37:09 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution Message-ID: Hello, Lots of people have been emailing me and asking when/where the games are to be distributed. You guys have obviously not been paying attention! (: YES! At the next TCLUG meeting, on July 14th! Just so this isn't a total-loss message, if you're going to be at a beer meeting, let me know in advance and I'll see whether or not I can make it (Jacqui: if you'd be so kind as to set it somewhere in the Shoreview/Roseville area and a non-smoking place, may the Great Spirits bless you). Note: People who haven't paid yet are not getting their games. I don't care if the check is in the mail, you're not getting anything till the check has reached my appartment. -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 00:06:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010709000619.G21209@ringworld.org> > Just so this isn't a total-loss message, if you're going to be at a beer > meeting, let me know in advance and I'll see whether or not I can make it When/where is the beermeeting again? And make it a place where 20-yr-olds can show up too and ill love you more! Put it between the U campus and roseville :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 00:06:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010709000619.G21209@ringworld.org> > Just so this isn't a total-loss message, if you're going to be at a beer > meeting, let me know in advance and I'll see whether or not I can make it When/where is the beermeeting again? And make it a place where 20-yr-olds can show up too and ill love you more! Put it between the U campus and roseville :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 00:28:25 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Months meeting.. Message-ID: <20010709002825.H21209@ringworld.org> Looks like lots of people are looking for a thing on DNS according to the poll on mn-linux.org. I would be willing to do a DNS setup-tutorial with other people if anyone wants to. I'm interested in zone files, security, and getting DNSSEC in bind9 to work. (since I saw DNSSEC at Usenix I want to try it out. ) Is the long-term plan to keep these at the Univ? Is there a long-term sponsor of this? Perhaps I can beg-steal here and see if I can get the department to keep this going. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010709/d0cfe73d/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Jul 9 07:56:21 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just so this isn't a total-loss message, if you're going to be at a beer > meeting, let me know in advance and I'll see whether or not I can make it > (Jacqui: if you'd be so kind as to set it somewhere in the > Shoreview/Roseville area and a non-smoking place, may the Great Spirits > bless you). Sure, name a few places around there and I'll see what I can do. Is Barley Johns close enough? ~j From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 9 10:31:43 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron Message-ID: I need to install cron on a fresh system, that has not had cron installed on it ever before. Looking around, there are many options for a crond, and I would like a little incite to the advantages/disadvantages to each. Please don't turn this into a holy war, I just want to hear what people experiences have been with the various options. -- Jay Publishing Business Systems 651-634-9217 From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 9 10:58:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010709105850.A25876@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I need to install cron on a fresh system, that has not had cron installed on > it ever before. Looking around, there are many options for a crond, and I > would like a little incite to the advantages/disadvantages to each. Please > don't turn this into a holy war, I just want to hear what people experiences > have been with the various options. What Linux/UNIX distribution are you using? Is there any reasong not to use the cron package that comes with it? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 9 11:05:26 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010709105850.A25876@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations along the way). The reason I am not sure which cron I want, is I have heard many reports of security problems with vixie cron, and have also heard some are easier than others. I don't even know what comes bundled with distros anymore. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:59 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I need to install cron on a fresh system, that has not had cron installed on > it ever before. Looking around, there are many options for a crond, and I > would like a little incite to the advantages/disadvantages to each. Please > don't turn this into a holy war, I just want to hear what people experiences > have been with the various options. What Linux/UNIX distribution are you using? Is there any reasong not to use the cron package that comes with it? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 9 11:50:41 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron References: Message-ID: <011701c10897$4a8e05b0$3028680a@tgt.com> I would use Vixie Cron. Download the SRPMS from Redhat and expand it. Use the patches that they supply. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Cron > I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > along the way). > > The reason I am not sure which cron I want, is I have heard many reports of > security problems with vixie cron, and have also heard some are easier than > others. I don't even know what comes bundled with distros anymore. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:59 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > I need to install cron on a fresh system, that has not had cron installed > on > > it ever before. Looking around, there are many options for a crond, and I > > would like a little incite to the advantages/disadvantages to each. > Please > > don't turn this into a holy war, I just want to hear what people > experiences > > have been with the various options. > > What Linux/UNIX distribution are you using? > > Is there any reasong not to use the cron package that comes with it? > > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 9 13:14:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 Message-ID: Anyone interested in a Compaq 6000 P2-266? Here's the specs: Compaq 6000; tower case 96mb memory (3x32; all banks full.) 4gb Narrow SCSI HD (Onboard AIC-7XXX narrow controller) Compaq slot-based CD-ROM (IDE) Onboard network card (TLAN chipset) Onboard sound card (Haven't tried it) Matrox Millenium 2 AGP Video I can also package it with any of the following: Adaptec 2940UW 9gb UW SCSI Hard Drive (Western Digital; new RMA return) Smart + Friendly 8X SCSI CD Burner As many PCI NIC's as it can hold. :) I gotta sell this off before I can justify buying parts to upgrade a different system. Works great; I just have too many computers right now. :) This is also one of the Compaq boxes that doesn't have a real BIOS configuration utility onboard. Really annoying.. I do have the floppies to configure it, though, and they are also available from Compaq's web site. If you're interested, make an offer. Thanks! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 9 13:25:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994703102.3b49f6fee019d@dragon> Hi, Quoting Jacqueline Urick : > Sure, name a few places around there and I'll see what I can do. Is > Barley Johns close enough? Well, seeing as I never really go to bars, I don't know anywhere... Barley John is probably fine though. Might we actually have a beer meeting announcement more than 1 day prior? (: -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Jul 9 13:41:40 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <994703102.3b49f6fee019d@dragon> Message-ID: > Might we actually have a beer meeting announcement more than 1 > day prior? (: > Hehe, I used to announce them a week ahead of time (and put it up on the web), but then people would say: "I didn't know there was a meeting." So I find that the day before was more effective. :) How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might have the room but not the staff, you see. ~j From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 13:57:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010709135704.A30232@ringworld.org> * Jacqueline Urick [010709 13:48]: > How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley > John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might have the room > but not the staff, you see. I'd like to come out. Is it 21+ only? 18+, etc? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010709/65134a64/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 9 14:02:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd situation - Apache+Mod_SSL and PHP Timeout Message-ID: I've got a box set up with IMP, running the following web server stuff: Server: Apache/1.3.17 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.0 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.5 It works for a while, but stops serving PHP requests after a seemingly random period of time. It's not just IMP requests; even the simple PHP testing page just hangs. On the server side, I just get: [Mon Jul 9 13:42:03 2001] [info] [client 65.193.16.100] send timed out ..not exactly helpful. Anyone have any ideas? My next course of action is, of course, to upgrade to Apache 1.3.20 and PHP/4.0.6, but I'd like to find if this is a known problem. I can't find anything on Google, etc.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Jul 9 13:56:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <20010709135704.A30232@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > > * Jacqueline Urick [010709 13:48]: > > How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley > > John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might > have the room > > but not the staff, you see. > > I'd like to come out. Is it 21+ only? 18+, etc? > Oh they allow minors, but not Scotts, sorry ;). No where ever we end up, I'll make sure it's minor-friendly. :) Just don't order alcohol. ~j From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 9 14:04:11 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <20010709135704.A30232@ringworld.org> References: <20010709135704.A30232@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <994705451.3b4a002ba5218@dragon> Hey, Quoting Scott Dier : > I'd like to come out. Is it 21+ only? 18+, etc? While it'll suck if people come out and can't actually enjoy the LUG activity, I'll be more than happy to actually come outside and give you your stuff. Not like I'm going to bring both boxes of games in with me - they'll more than likely stay in the car, anyway (note: nobody steal my car). -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 14:11:21 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <994705451.3b4a002ba5218@dragon> Message-ID: > likely stay in the car, anyway (note: nobody steal my car). Isn't that your car driving itself tward a bus? :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 9 14:15:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994706152.3b4a02e85e1db@dragon> Hello, Quoting "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" : > > likely stay in the car, anyway (note: nobody steal my car). > Isn't that your car driving itself tward a bus? :) Well, is it the car where the driver's side window stopped functioning? (: Time for a new car, I think... got to remember NOT to take that one to the meeting. -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 9 14:27:25 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Limit to the number of groups a user can be in? Message-ID: Is there a limit to the number of groups a user can be part of? I'm having trouble with a client machine where a user is a part of about 50 groups (eek, i know), and everything works fine from the command line, but when the user tries to modify files through ftp (running ProFTPd 1.2.2rc3), it works if the group name is within the first 512 characters that get returned when you runs 'groups username', but gets a permission denied if it's after the 512-character boundary. I'm guessing that it's an issue with the buffer size in ProFTPd, but just thought I'd ask if there is a theoretical maximum to the number of groups a user can be in (or the number of characters that make up the group name. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 9 14:38:30 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <20010709135704.A30232@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > I'd like to come out. Is it 21+ only? 18+, etc? Um, that's your business, but if you want to attend, I'm sure it's not a problem. Heck, one of the other LUGnuts could always pass you off as their, uh, nephew. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 9 15:01:56 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Limit to the number of groups a user can be in? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > I'm having trouble with a client machine where a user is a part of about > 50 groups (eek, i know), and everything works fine from the command line, > but when the user tries to modify files through ftp (running ProFTPd > 1.2.2rc3), it works if the group name is within the first 512 characters > that get returned when you runs 'groups username', but gets a permission > denied if it's after the 512-character boundary. Sounds like possibly a "feature" of ProFTPd. I remember seeing a lot of buffer overflow attacks on wu-ftpd that had to do with strings longer than 512 characters, might just be a defense mechanism. First thing I would check is your version of ProFTPd and make sure it's current. I've never belonged to more than 512 characters worth of groups so I'm not sure if that's the problem or not. Just a hunch. -Brian From root at localhost.localdomain Mon Jul 9 13:01:26 2001 From: root at localhost.localdomain (root) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem config In-Reply-To: <200107091701.f69H17K20402@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200107091701.f69H17K20402@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <01070913012600.01102@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for all the advice Florin--my new systems really coming together now! Jason On Monday 09 July 2001 12:01 pm, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Cron (Thomas T. Veldhouse) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:50:41 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I would use Vixie Cron. Download the SRPMS from Redhat and expand it. Use > the patches that they supply. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Kline" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Cron > > > I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > > along the way). > > > > The reason I am not sure which cron I want, is I have heard many reports > > of > > > security problems with vixie cron, and have also heard some are easier > > than > > > others. I don't even know what comes bundled with distros anymore. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:59 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron > > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > > I need to install cron on a fresh system, that has not had cron > > installed > > > on > > > > > it ever before. Looking around, there are many options for a crond, and > > I > > > > would like a little incite to the advantages/disadvantages to each. > > > > Please > > > > > don't turn this into a holy war, I just want to hear what people > > > > experiences > > > > > have been with the various options. > > > > What Linux/UNIX distribution are you using? > > > > Is there any reasong not to use the cron package that comes with it? > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take > > effect" > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 9 16:54:28 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:14:21PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010709165428.A20255@mudpiefoods.com> Nate Carlson > Anyone interested in a Compaq 6000 P2-266? Here's the specs: > > Compaq 6000; tower case > 96mb memory (3x32; all banks full.) I seem to remember Compaq machines to be 'very' unique in many ways. The bios being the most noticelabe and as you stated annoying. I also seem to recall the RAM to be special. It is obviously somewhat special because you have a 32bit cpu with EDO that typically runs at 16bit. But I suppose with 96mg, how could you ever want more? It certainly sounds like a rocking system. I am, however, in a simular boot as you with tooooo many computers. -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 9 17:33:54 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem config In-Reply-To: <01070913012600.01102@localhost.localdomain>; from root@localhost.localdomain.xoasis.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:01:26PM -0500 References: <200107091701.f69H17K20402@sprite.real-time.com> <01070913012600.01102@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010709173354.A5222@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:01:26PM -0500, root wrote: > > Thanks for all the advice Florin--my new systems really coming together now! You might need to add FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/genericsdomain') and the appropriate stuff into sendmail.mc and regenerate your sendmail.cf... [Check your return address - root@...] Cheers, florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 9 17:35:51 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki/Tribes2 update Message-ID: Hello, Next time I do this, someone remind me to make a LOKI mailing list (: Loki WILL be shipping me another 10 copies of Tribes 2, and one copy of MindRover, tomorrow. They Fedex Ground it, so it MIGHT all be here before Saturday. Rejoyce! -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 9 17:39:49 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 In-Reply-To: <20010709165428.A20255@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, spencer underground wrote: > I seem to remember Compaq machines to be 'very' unique in many ways. > The bios being the most noticelabe and as you stated annoying. I also > seem to recall the RAM to be special. It is obviously somewhat special > because you have a 32bit cpu with EDO that typically runs at 16bit. > But I suppose with 96mg, how could you ever want more? It certainly > sounds like a rocking system. I am, however, in a simular boot as you > with tooooo many computers. It's actually standard 66mhz SDRAM. I accidently fried the 64mb stick that I got with it (@!#$(!@ static shock.. pulled it out, and then zapped it), so I put 3 32mb that I had sitting back into it. As far as Compaq machines go, this one is better than the rest I have worked with.. only problem I've ran into is the annoying BIOS. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Jul 9 18:00:47 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution Message-ID: I would. I have a game to get and I have driven by Barley John's a number of times and wondered what it was like. :-) >>> jacque@fruitioninc.com 07/09/01 01:41PM >>> > Might we actually have a beer meeting announcement more than 1 > day prior? (: > Hehe, I used to announce them a week ahead of time (and put it up on the web), but then people would say: "I didn't know there was a meeting." So I find that the day before was more effective. :) How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might have the room but not the staff, you see. ~j _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mccloud at wiredhot.net Mon Jul 9 22:00:03 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: 16 port switch price Message-ID: <3B4A2963.12562.C42305F@localhost> I have a 16 port Hitachi, model HS150 Switch, 10/100 ethernet. Works great, but the fan on the power supply is making noise. The details are at: http://www.networkcomputing.com/ibg/ProductInfo?product_id=2641 I want to sell this, does anyone have a clue what it might be worth? Bob From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jul 9 22:09:03 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Limit to the number of groups a user can be in? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep, the limit is 16 under standard Unix distributions, don't know if that's the same with ftp daemons too. Nate Carlson writes: > Is there a limit to the number of groups a user can be part of? > > I'm having trouble with a client machine where a user is a part of about > 50 groups (eek, i know), and everything works fine from the command line, > but when the user tries to modify files through ftp (running ProFTPd > 1.2.2rc3), it works if the group name is within the first 512 characters > that get returned when you runs 'groups username', but gets a permission > denied if it's after the 512-character boundary. > > I'm guessing that it's an issue with the buffer size in ProFTPd, but just > thought I'd ask if there is a theoretical maximum to the number of groups > a user can be in (or the number of characters that make up the group name. > :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 9 22:15:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010709221556.I30232@ringworld.org> * Troy.A Johnson [010709 18:02]: > How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley > John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might have the room > but not the staff, you see. I'm coming. Where is it again? Are there directions? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Jul 9 22:15:29 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: <20010709221556.I30232@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > > I'm coming. Where is it again? Are there directions? > I haven't made any reservations for anywhere yet. I'll do that tomorrow. ~j From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Jul 9 23:02:58 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:41:40PM -0500 References: <994703102.3b49f6fee019d@dragon> Message-ID: <20010709230258.B2071@iaxs.net> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:41:40PM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > How many of you game purchasers are going to stop by on Thursday? Barley > John's is tiny, so I don't want to overwhelm them. They might have the room > but not the staff, you see. Only if my regular Thursday night bridge game falls through. I'm currently _trying_ to arrange the regular meeting on the 14th. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Mon Jul 9 18:29:45 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh Message-ID: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. Jason From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 10 00:50:18 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs > are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if > someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. Well, there's always the O'Reilly SSH book... what are you trying to do? Get the client or server going? Either way, you need to get OpenSSL. If you're building from source, here's instructions: 1) Downlaod OpenSSL from ftp://ftp.openssl.org:/source/openssl-0.9.6b.tar.gz 2) Download OpenSSH from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-2.9p2.tar.gz put them in the your build dir (eg, /usr/local/src). 3) Untar OpenSSL: % tar zxvf ftp://ftp.openssl.org:/source/openssl-0.9.6b.tar.gz 4) Change into OpenSSL directory and compile it: % cd openssl-0.9.6b % ./config && make 5) Change to root and install it: % su Password: # make install ... lots of stuff ... # ldconfig # exit % 6) Go back up and untar openssh: % cd .. % tar zxvf openssh-2.9p2.tar.gz 7) Change directories and build it: % cd openssh-2.9p2 % ./configure && make 8) SU and install: % su Password: # make install ... lots of stuff ... 9) That's it. You now have an SSH client. ssh -v will tell you what version. 10) If you want SSH server running, edit /usr/local/etc/sshd_config to your liking, and then run /usr/local/sbin/sshd. You can put it in a startup script. Hope this helps, -Yaron -- From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Jul 10 08:38:48 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: 16 port switch price In-Reply-To: <3B4A2963.12562.C42305F@localhost> Message-ID: pricewatch.com lists new no-name 10/100 unmanaged ethernet switches starting at about $100. Jeff On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > I have a 16 port Hitachi, model HS150 Switch, 10/100 ethernet. > Works great, but the fan on the power supply is making noise. > > The details are at: > http://www.networkcomputing.com/ibg/ProductInfo?product_id=2641 > > I want to sell this, does anyone have a clue what it might be worth? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 10 08:41:16 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ICMP source routes Message-ID: <20010710084116.C10665@sherohman.org> My ISP's gateway went down for a bit last night and, since it came back up, one of my machines has been logging occasional "icmplogd: source route from []" messages - they seem to be coming in pairs, from 15-45 minutes apart, with a few hours between pairs. Any idea what's causing this? I'm sure it's benign, but curious as to what might have been done on their router to cause it and why only one machine is seeing this. From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jul 10 08:49:57 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: 16 port switch price References: Message-ID: <3B4B0805.2B880976@haxxed.com> > pricewatch.com lists new no-name 10/100 unmanaged ethernet switches > starting at about $100. Well if you actually looked at the stats he pointed to, you'd see this aint your daddys cheapie unmanaged switch. ;) > Jeff > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > > > I have a 16 port Hitachi, model HS150 Switch, 10/100 ethernet. > > Works great, but the fan on the power supply is making noise. > > > > The details are at: > > http://www.networkcomputing.com/ibg/ProductInfo?product_id=2641 > > > > I want to sell this, does anyone have a clue what it might be worth? My guess is far more than I have to spend. ;P From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 9 11:55:07 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500 References: <20010709105850.A25876@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > along the way). Good luck to you, brave soul. > The reason I am not sure which cron I want, is I have heard many reports of > security problems with vixie cron, and have also heard some are easier than > others. I don't even know what comes bundled with distros anymore. AFAIK debian and RedHat use vixie cron. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 09:16:08 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: >On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: >> I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations >> along the way). > >Good luck to you, brave soul. Really, its not that hard. I have a fully working system, and I know everything in it. I know what version everything is, and best of all, I don't have 10 window managers (read: bloat) installed, only what I want. I highly recommend anyone who has the time, to give it a try. The nice part about it is you don't loose your current setup while you do it; they coexist very nicely. Perhaps LFS could be a meeting topic some day? Jay From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 10 09:39:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Limit to the number of groups a user can be in? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9 Jul 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > Yep, the limit is 16 under standard Unix distributions, don't know if that's > the same with ftp daemons too. How's this limit defined? IE, is it something you can change, or is it actually part of the code? The user in question is in (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!) over 30 groups, but UNIX-wise, things work fine.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 10 09:43:57 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > >On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > >> I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > >> along the way). > > > >Good luck to you, brave soul. > > Really, its not that hard. I have a fully working system, and I know > everything in it. I know what version everything is, and best of all, I > don't have 10 window managers (read: bloat) installed, only what I want. I > highly recommend anyone who has the time, to give it a try. The nice part > about it is you don't loose your current setup while you do it; they coexist > very nicely. Well it's not hard to build a plane, it's hard to make it fly. The main problem is maintaining and upgrading your system. "make install" is nice but most of the packages do not have a "make uninstall". C'mon: no Linux distribution installs by default more than 2-3 window managers and of course you have to click "No" for hours in all the menus deselecting stuff you don't use. If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jul 10 09:50:21 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com> > If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks > you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... But then you got to think of weird ass stuff you take for granted but find its not there one day. It doesn't even install less! Or hdparm. Or a few other things I didn't think of. From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 10:00:57 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Most distros that I have seen so far do include at least 3 window managers: twm, icewm, +window manager of choice. Also, in most every distro I have seen, you select groups of packages (often resulting in more than I want) or I spend hours clicking "no". Debian may install a base system, but is that really any different than doing LFS? I just have more control over how it works. I also wanted to get my entire install on a hard drive of a wee 500Mb. As for the "make uninstall".. well, how often do you spend removing programs you don't want? I did it a lot on both the debian install and the mandrake install.. only because I found out what they were installing really wasn't what I wanted. Now I look at each piece and decide if I want it. So I don't uninstall much. Another aspect is security.. as I know everything that is running, (I must know, I put it there) things I don't use are unlikely to cause problems. And when an advisory goes out, I know right away if it affects me. I also don't have the problem redhat has, where "hackers" know how 80% of the systems are laid out. I admit, LFS is not for everyone. But neither is Linux. I think Debian and Mandrake, and [insert distro you use here] all have their place. But after some frustration on my part, I decided that place was not on my own computer. Kind of like the satisfaction some people get out of building a custom car. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > >On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > >> I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > >> along the way). > > > >Good luck to you, brave soul. > > Really, its not that hard. I have a fully working system, and I know > everything in it. I know what version everything is, and best of all, I > don't have 10 window managers (read: bloat) installed, only what I want. I > highly recommend anyone who has the time, to give it a try. The nice part > about it is you don't loose your current setup while you do it; they coexist > very nicely. Well it's not hard to build a plane, it's hard to make it fly. The main problem is maintaining and upgrading your system. "make install" is nice but most of the packages do not have a "make uninstall". C'mon: no Linux distribution installs by default more than 2-3 window managers and of course you have to click "No" for hours in all the menus deselecting stuff you don't use. If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 10 10:20:28 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:50:21AM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010710102028.B28629@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:50:21AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks > > you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... > > But then you got to think of weird ass stuff you take for granted but > find its not there one day. > > It doesn't even install less! > > Or hdparm. > > Or a few other things I didn't think of. Precisely that's the point: If you know you want something, it's a apt-get away. If not, then you don't have it on the harddrive. C:> hdparm Bad command or file name. C:> apt-get install hdparm ... ... ... C:> hdparm florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 10 10:20:40 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs > are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if > someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. What distro? I found out after pain staking hours of digging through docs and HOWTOs that the reason no one documented it under Redhat is because it works with ZERO effort. -Brian From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 10 10:24:24 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710102028.B28629@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:20:28AM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com> <20010710102028.B28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010710102424.F10665@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:20:28AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > C:> hdparm > Bad command or file name. > C:> apt-get install hdparm When did they port apt-get to DOS? From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 10 10:32:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games distribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hehe, I used to announce them a week ahead of time (and put it up on the > web), but then people would say: "I didn't know there was a meeting." So I > find that the day before was more effective. :) Yes, I can understand that but now that it's pretty consistent my geek clock is able to tell me when they are, then I have to wait til Wed or Thurs to find out where it is and find out if I can make it. Kind of annoying. You could secretly post them on the web site a week early and then make the formal announcement before the meeting. Just my $.02. -Brian From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 10:37:44 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710102424.F10665@sherohman.org> Message-ID: blackhole:/ # echo "Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]\n(C) Copyright 1985-1999 Microsoft Corp." > /etc/motd blackhole:/ # echo "export PS1=C:\\>" >> /etc/profile blackhole:/ # logout hehehe.... Now... if only a way to make DOS like Linux.. Oh yeah! C:\> format C: Ctrl-Alt-Del -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:24 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:20:28AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > C:> hdparm > Bad command or file name. > C:> apt-get install hdparm When did they port apt-get to DOS? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mccloud at wiredhot.net Tue Jul 10 10:47:42 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: 16 port switch price In-Reply-To: <3B4B0805.2B880976@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <3B4ADD4E.14510.289C65D@localhost> Thanks guys. Callum is right. This baby is more pricey than the average home user would want. I'm going to price it a 2,000.00 and see if I get any inquiries. Bob On 10 Jul 2001, at 8:49, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > pricewatch.com lists new no-name 10/100 unmanaged ethernet switches > > starting at about $100. > > Well if you actually looked at the stats he pointed to, you'd see this > aint your daddys cheapie unmanaged switch. ;) > > > Jeff > > > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > > > > > I have a 16 port Hitachi, model HS150 Switch, 10/100 ethernet. > > > Works great, but the fan on the power supply is making noise. > > > > > > The details are at: > > > http://www.networkcomputing.com/ibg/ProductInfo?product_id=2641 > > > > > > I want to sell this, does anyone have a clue what it might be > > > worth? > > My guess is far more than I have to spend. ;P > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 10 10:47:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710102424.F10665@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:24:24AM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com> <20010710102028.B28629@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710102424.F10665@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010710104748.C28629@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:24:24AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:20:28AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > C:> hdparm > > Bad command or file name. > > C:> apt-get install hdparm > > When did they port apt-get to DOS? ROFL... this was prompted by the slashdot "my prompt is better better than yours" article of yesterday... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 10 11:10:17 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> On Tuesday 10 July 2001 12:50 am, you wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The > > docs are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to > > start. So if someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be > > cool. > > Well, there's always the O'Reilly SSH book... what are you trying to do? > Get the client or server going? While we are on the subject of ssh I have a question. I just setup a firewall. I can ssh into the box without problem. When I try to ssh to a box in the subnet it will hang forever. ping -- no problem. reject telnet -- no problem. ssh connect -- no way. I can ssh to another box on the internet without fail. Is this a forwarding issue? The second question is how does one transfer files via ssh? Will ftp run inside of an ssh session? -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 10 10:49:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com>; from ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:29:45PM +0000 References: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <20010710104913.G8000@real-time.com> > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs > are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if > someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. don't let the documentation overwhelm you... SSH is a very powerful tool; but it's also *really* simple to use. the SSH man page ought to start out with a 'quick start' paragraph; *then* launch into the scary whys and hows and wherefores. most distros have ssh available as one of their packages now. install the openssh, openssh-client, and/or openssh-server packages (or whatever they're named in your preferred distro). openssl will be a requirement, so you will have to install that, if you don't have it already. then just 'ssh ' from the box you installed on. to set up an ssh server; run /etc/init.d/sshd start (or whatever the path to the init script may be on your distro). it's all a heck of a lot simpler than the documentation makes it appear at first. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 10 11:19:18 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071011191801.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> > It's actually standard 66mhz SDRAM. I accidently fried the 64mb stick that > I got with it (@!#$(!@ static shock.. pulled it out, and then zapped it), > so I put 3 32mb that I had sitting back into it. I still remember something about that RAM. Is it 5v or something? I just remember trying to upgrade the RAM on a simular machine and what I tried did not work. I am just babbling at this point. More coffee for me. -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 10 11:33:03 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710104748.C28629@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:47:48AM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> <3B4B162D.D81E6FF1@haxxed.com> <20010710102028.B28629@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710102424.F10665@sherohman.org> <20010710104748.C28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010710113303.G10665@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:47:48AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > this was prompted by the slashdot "my prompt is better better than yours" > article of yesterday... I had a feeling it might have been. From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Jul 10 11:35:18 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh References: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3B4B2EAA.D45A6985@eetc.com> AAAunderground wrote: > While we are on the subject of ssh I have a question. I just setup a > firewall. I can ssh into the box without problem. When I try to ssh to a box > in the subnet it will hang forever. ping -- no problem. reject telnet -- no > problem. ssh connect -- no way. I can ssh to another box on the internet > without fail. Is this a forwarding issue? > The second question is how does one transfer files via ssh? Will ftp run > inside of an ssh session? There is a secure ftp. Secure ftp requires the secure ftp server. All part of OpenSSH. Personally I use scp. scp local_source user@machine:/remote_desination/file That's basically it. You can reverse it also. scp user@machine:/remote_source/file /local_destination/file Very easy. It will then prompt you for the password for the remote system and off it goes. Of course you have to know exactly where the files is. It can also transfer entire directories. sim From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 10 11:39:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv>; from spencer@sihope.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 11:10:17AM -0500 References: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20010710113903.H10665@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 11:10:17AM -0500, AAAunderground wrote: > While we are on the subject of ssh I have a question. I just setup a > firewall. I can ssh into the box without problem. When I try to ssh to a box > in the subnet it will hang forever. ping -- no problem. reject telnet -- no > problem. ssh connect -- no way. I can ssh to another box on the internet > without fail. Is this a forwarding issue? Given that ping and telnet both behave as expected, I'm inclined to suspect either DNS (ssh likes to do reverse name lookups to be sure of who it's talking to) or entropy (if you're connecting to a box that doesn't get used much, it can take a while to gather enough entropy to come up with a sufficiently-random session key). > The second question is how does one transfer files via ssh? Will ftp run > inside of an ssh session? scp and/or sftp. From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 10 11:40:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <20010710104913.G8000@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:49:13AM -0500 References: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> <20010710104913.G8000@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010710114031.D28629@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:49:13AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs > > are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if > > someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. > > don't let the documentation overwhelm you... SSH is a very powerful tool; > but it's also *really* simple to use. the SSH man page ought to start out > with a 'quick start' paragraph; *then* launch into the scary whys and > hows and wherefores. > > most distros have ssh available as one of their packages now. install the > openssh, openssh-client, and/or openssh-server packages (or whatever they're > named in your preferred distro). openssl will be a requirement, so you will > have to install that, if you don't have it already. > > then just 'ssh ' from the box you installed on. > to set up an ssh server; run /etc/init.d/sshd start (or whatever the path > to the init script may be on your distro). > > it's all a heck of a lot simpler than the documentation makes it appear at > first. :) But not that simple: I remember having to mess around a couple of days 'till I figured out that I have to add sshd to "hosts.allow". florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Jul 10 12:02:32 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query - LIDS... Message-ID: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> Anyone using LIDS or have in the past? I'm using Trustix beta 1.4.95 and the 2.4.6 kernel and am wondering if LIDS is currently working well for anyone and how easy it is to configure. I'm considering using it on our firewall and am wondering if it is worth the time. Just looking for info/opinion. sim From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 10 12:01:35 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <00b601c10961$fa867cc0$3028680a@tgt.com> > > If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks > you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... > > florin > Takes forever to install using Debian and often there are script errors which are not particularily verbose as to the actual (versus apparent) cause. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 10 12:16:29 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <00b601c10961$fa867cc0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 12:01:35PM -0500 References: <20010709115506.C25876@beaver.iucha.org> <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> <00b601c10961$fa867cc0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010710191629.B72276@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 12:01:35PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then > asks > > you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... > > > > florin > > > > Takes forever to install using Debian and often there are script errors > which are not particularily verbose as to the actual (versus apparent) > cause. In unstable/testing there are sometimes a lot of errors, but I haven't seen any in stable (if that is what you want to be running). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 10 12:21:43 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron In-Reply-To: <20010710094357.A28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > The main problem is maintaining and upgrading your system. "make install" is > nice but most of the packages do not have a "make uninstall". To install: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version make make install cp /usr/local/stow/ stow program-version To uninstall: cd /usr/local/stow stow -D program-version rm -rf program-version Stow is a wonderful little program. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/ Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 10 12:22:29 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query - LIDS... In-Reply-To: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I know several people who have used LIDS, and like it.. I played with it a bit, it's really nice and flexable.. but also somewhat complicated to configure. you need to know a decent ammount about system security to do anything signifigant with it. I have played around with it on 2.2 systems personaly. I know they use lots of LIDS stuff for security on sourceforge's network. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Anyone using LIDS or have in the past? > > I'm using Trustix beta 1.4.95 and the 2.4.6 kernel and am wondering if > LIDS is currently working well for anyone and how easy it is to > configure. > I'm considering using it on our firewall and am wondering if it is worth > the time. > > Just looking for info/opinion. > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO0s518tpDhsSpvgtAQG4jQP/eyRdR+x9nscUQqggqJOrnPsZNyuJALH/ QJp6f6YDajmclgy9xlxR7alMzw3VUXGX1XpvzXUWrWfx+FM7i+ESbtjJe4h8ZjXJ Y5YStZrmODfdzd54nsaKQ0qiyPdQ+GIixJl43MItjehbDy3XTd61RNoDLbdUYrBj Xc4KNyUp9F8= =Xt6/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 10 12:47:23 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <20010710113903.H10665@sherohman.org> References: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> <20010710113903.H10665@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01071012472304.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> I can ssh to another box on the > > internet without fail. Is this a forwarding issue? > > Given that ping and telnet both behave as expected, I'm inclined to > suspect either DNS (ssh likes to do reverse name lookups to be sure > of who it's talking to) or entropy (if you're connecting to a box > that doesn't get used much, it can take a while to gather enough > entropy to come up with a sufficiently-random session key). > > > The second question is how does one transfer files via ssh? Will ftp run > > inside of an ssh session? > > scp and/or sftp. I have a feeling it is a forwarding issues some sort. Here is why: I have simular setups in two locations with simular activity. I solved the issued at location home by changing my nic to address settings. I apparently had my network set up dyslexic style. I suspect the same will work at location work. Entropy is probably not the reason--Even tho I just changed the address, I have used it quite a bit. I don't know why DNS would care if I am giving quad notation addresses? Anyway, I really have to go to the beach now. -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 10 12:41:38 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <3B4B2EAA.D45A6985@eetc.com> References: <01071011101700.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> <3B4B2EAA.D45A6985@eetc.com> Message-ID: <01071012413803.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> > > scp local_source user@machine:/remote_desination/file > > That's basically it. You can reverse it also. > > scp user@machine:/remote_source/file /local_destination/file > > Very easy. > It will then prompt you for the password for the remote system and off it > goes. > > Of course you have to know exactly where the files is. It can also > transfer entire directories. > > sim Thanks alot. I will check that out right after the beach. BTW, I 'finally' got a firewall/gw/proxy/dns/ all setup up CORRECTLY. All behind the Cisco 675. One down, one to go---then to the VPN. Linux is my friend. -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jul 10 12:41:25 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query - LIDS... References: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B4B3E45.9AB56788@haxxed.com> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > Anyone using LIDS or have in the past? > > I'm using Trustix beta 1.4.95 and the 2.4.6 kernel and am wondering if > LIDS is currently working well for anyone and how easy it is to > configure. > I'm considering using it on our firewall and am wondering if it is worth > the time. > > Just looking for info/opinion. I'm using LIDS and Openwall and Stealth patch on a 2.2.19 kernel on an otherwise debian system It works quite spiff. Have to use a bit more conservative config that some of their examples though since they're not made for debian. ;P I should play with some of the stuff in whatever version I upgraded to a few months ago. It broke the config format, and it took me a while to figure out why the kernel was panicing for no apparent reason. ;P But it added proper inheritence control... Its still a kinda beta piece of software, written by a chinese guy who doesn't speak english well thus has a history of bad documentation, (This seems to be improving.) but its definately nifty and getting niftier. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 10 12:53:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone interested in a Compaq 6000 P2-266? Here's the specs: > > Compaq 6000; tower case > 96mb memory (3x32; all banks full.) > 4gb Narrow SCSI HD (Onboard AIC-7XXX narrow controller) > Compaq slot-based CD-ROM (IDE) > Onboard network card (TLAN chipset) > Onboard sound card (Haven't tried it) > Matrox Millenium 2 AGP Video > > I can also package it with any of the following: > Adaptec 2940UW > 9gb UW SCSI Hard Drive (Western Digital; new RMA return) > Smart + Friendly 8X SCSI CD Burner > As many PCI NIC's as it can hold. :) > > I gotta sell this off before I can justify buying parts to upgrade a > different system. Works great; I just have too many computers right now. > :) > > This is also one of the Compaq boxes that doesn't have a real BIOS > configuration utility onboard. Really annoying.. I do have the floppies to > configure it, though, and they are also available from Compaq's web site. > > If you're interested, make an offer. Thanks! Well, since I'm not getting any responses on this, let's throw some pricing on: Base System: $200 Add-on of CDR: $50 Add-on of 2940UW + 9GB: $75 Let me know if you're interested. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 10 13:54:45 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: FS: Compaq 6000 P2-266 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071013544506.01972@usurper.autonomous.tv> On Tuesda > Well, since I'm not getting any responses on this, let's throw some > > Base System: $200 > Add-on of CDR: $50 > Add-on of 2940UW + 9GB: $75 > > Let me know if you're interested. I would love to buy the card and the drive, but I don't need the rest of it. If no one wants the complete package, will you let it go for the same price? -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 10 14:15:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: <20010710114031.D28629@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 11:40:32AM -0500 References: <200107092329.f69NTjc04496@mongo.evil-overlords.com> <20010710104913.G8000@real-time.com> <20010710114031.D28629@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010710141513.P25235@real-time.com> > But not that simple: I remember having to mess around a couple of days 'till > I figured out that I have to add sshd to "hosts.allow". oh, yeah. s'right. First time I used SSHd I had all traffic allowed from my local network. had to have someone else tell me why no one could get in from the outside. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 15:00:32 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE & konsole Message-ID: I am not sure what I did... but when (as a user) I start konsole, it comes up and closes right away. It used to work fine, and it still works for root. Xterm and other terms work, it just seems to be konsole. When I start it from an xterm, there are no errors generated. Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking to track this down? Jay From peter.clark at tides.com Tue Jul 10 15:29:55 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE & konsole Message-ID: <200107102053.f6AKrMK25674@sprite.real-time.com> > I am not sure what I did... but when (as a user) I start konsole, it > comes up and closes right away. It used to work fine, and it still > works for root. Xterm and other terms work, it just seems to be > konsole. When I start it from an xterm, there are no errors generated. > Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking to track this down? Try deleting your ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc file and then starting Konsole again. :Peter From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jul 10 17:06:09 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm moving into a new place in about 2 weeks. I have preordered my phone line, but the line doesn't currently qualify for DSL. They are unsure of the exact reason, but it could be because it's over 15k feet (it's 16,100 feet), and DSL works fine up to about 18k feet. When they activate my new line, they are sending someone out to replace the copper going to the house, and to remove and coils or other odd things between the house and the CO which would prevent DSL from working. If the only reason though is distance, does anyone know a good way to get them to hook me up anyway? 16,100 feet is still less than the distance I was from the CO at a previous place and it worked just fine (over 17,000 feet). Jay From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 17:08:12 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE & konsole In-Reply-To: <200107102053.f6AKrMK25674@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200107102053.f6AKrMK25674@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <01071017081200.07672@friday> Nope, that dosnt do it either. On Tuesday 10 July 2001 15:29 pm, you wrote: > > I am not sure what I did... but when (as a user) I start konsole, it > > comes up and closes right away. It used to work fine, and it still > > works for root. Xterm and other terms work, it just seems to be > > konsole. When I start it from an xterm, there are no errors generated. > > Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking to track this down? > > Try deleting your ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc file and then > starting Konsole again. > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 10 17:10:02 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01071017100201.07672@friday> Call them and have them check again. Many times I have called Qwest about line qualification (I work for an ISP) and they just dont give the right info. Maybe they dont want to work... maybe they dont know how to do their job. Whatever the reason, try calling again until you get the answer you want. Jay On Tuesday 10 July 2001 17:06 pm, you wrote: > I'm moving into a new place in about 2 weeks. I have preordered my phone > line, but the line doesn't currently qualify for DSL. They are unsure of > the exact reason, but it could be because it's over 15k feet (it's 16,100 > feet), and DSL works fine up to about 18k feet. When they activate my new > line, they are sending someone out to replace the copper going to the > house, and to remove and coils or other odd things between the house and > the CO which would prevent DSL from working. > > If the only reason though is distance, does anyone know a good way to get > them to hook me up anyway? 16,100 feet is still less than the distance I > was from the CO at a previous place and it worked just fine (over 17,000 > feet). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From inten at sakhmarine.ru Tue Jul 10 17:24:56 2001 From: inten at sakhmarine.ru (Kirill V.Simonenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Query - LIDS... In-Reply-To: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> References: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010711092456.0b3ce854.inten@sakhmarine.ru> SJ> Anyone using LIDS or have in the past? using. SJ> I'm using Trustix beta 1.4.95 and the 2.4.6 kernel and am wondering if SJ> LIDS is currently working well for anyone and how easy it is to SJ> configure. SJ> I'm considering using it on our firewall and am wondering if it is worth SJ> the time. SJ> Just looking for info/opinion. don't use standart config. erase it! create new! ONLY! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 10 17:38:58 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <01071017100201.07672@friday> Message-ID: <20010710173858.E12165@ringworld.org> * Jay Kline [010710 17:15]: > job. Whatever the reason, try calling again until you get the answer you > want. Or, if you dont need static IP's, check out what AT&T says about phone and cable services. Most experiences with them have been a bit better than with Qwest. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 10 17:42:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm moving into a new place in about 2 weeks. I have preordered my phone > line, but the line doesn't currently qualify for DSL. They are unsure of > the exact reason, but it could be because it's over 15k feet (it's 16,100 > feet), and DSL works fine up to about 18k feet. Be careful; the key word is *about*. > If the only reason though is distance, does anyone know a good way to get > them to hook me up anyway? 16,100 feet is still less than the distance I > was from the CO at a previous place and it worked just fine (over 17,000 > feet). The trick is getting to talk to someone that really knows. The process / system they have set up right now makes the assumption that whenever they transfer you to a technical person, you get people who are equally qualified / knowledgable. The thing is, a different CO *MAY* have a different range of service for a number of reasons including geography and the particular equipment and history of the development of that region. There may be an engineer who could explain to you why they can the 17,500' at one CO, but only 14,900' from the equipment at a different orifice. As someone else said, ask again. You may never get the answer you want, but you might, and you should badger them about why it *isn't* the answer you want. I have found that politely saying "Well, I understand it's not *your* fault, but do you think you could find me someone in engineering to explain this and satisfy my own compulsions" often gets results. Also, you might check on www.dslreports.com and see what further comparative information you can get about the CO's. They do have info, so you can found out what your CO is and about your new CO, and how they compare. Then you might see that everyone in a region is getting equally hosed (i.e., it really won't happen) or if you seem to be the only guy getting the special treatment. ;) HTH -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Tue Jul 10 20:15:37 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Ming the merciless) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openssh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am runing slackware 7.1, did download the 8.0 image. Basically I would like to use sshd. Just a little confused about all the stuff about keys. Going to try and read the man pages again see if I can make sense of them. But probably gonna have to breakdown and buy the book. Thanks for the info. Jason -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] openssh On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > Just trying to figure out what I need to get ssh working on my box. The docs > are ok at openssh.org but kinda confusing to me, not sure where to start. So if > someone can suggest a nice book or some hints that would be cool. What distro? I found out after pain staking hours of digging through docs and HOWTOs that the reason no one documented it under Redhat is because it works with ZERO effort. -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jul 10 20:13:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Or, if you dont need static IP's, check out what AT&T says about phone > and cable services. Most experiences with them have been a bit better > than with Qwest. I need static ip's. ATT won't offer business cable modem service until sometime in 2002. I checked into T1's, and the best price I found is $722/mo (loop fee included). Between me and my roommate, we can expense about $200 of that to the companies we work for, but that leaves another $250/mo each to cover, which I don't really feel like doing (not to mention, that's with a 3 year contract). Besides DSL, ISDN, and a T1 or frame, what other solutions would I have? I've heard about some companies offering WDSL (Wireless DSL), but I haven't seen anything in the Minneapolis/Brooklyn Park area. Whatever I do, I have to get it taken care of before the end of August which is when all of my crap has to be out of my apartment. Jay From slushpupie at iexposure.com Tue Jul 10 20:10:21 2001 From: slushpupie at iexposure.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE & konsole In-Reply-To: <01071017081200.07672@friday> References: <200107102053.f6AKrMK25674@sprite.real-time.com> <01071017081200.07672@friday> Message-ID: <01071020102200.08688@friday> I looked at what its doing a little closer, and there is an error of some sort: QObject::connect: Cannot connect KAction::activated() to Konsole::(null) But it shows this when root starts konsole as well, and it works for root. ***much confusion..... Jay On Tuesday 10 July 2001 17:08 pm, you wrote: > Nope, that dosnt do it either. > > On Tuesday 10 July 2001 15:29 pm, you wrote: > > > I am not sure what I did... but when (as a user) I start konsole, it > > > comes up and closes right away. It used to work fine, and it still > > > works for root. Xterm and other terms work, it just seems to be > > > konsole. When I start it from an xterm, there are no errors generated. > > > Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking to track this down? > > > > Try deleting your ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc file and then > > starting Konsole again. > > > > :Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jul 10 20:26:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla and personal(?) plugins Message-ID: <20010710202606.L16136@real-time.com> Is there a way to setup a personal plugins area, like in your $HOME/.mozilla directory? I want to play with the new Java 1.4 java plugin, but I don't want to mess up the system wide plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at techie.com Tue Jul 10 20:48:33 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <20010710173858.E12165@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 05:38:58PM -0500 References: <01071017100201.07672@friday> <20010710173858.E12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010710204833.A32252@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 05:38:58PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > Or, if you dont need static IP's, check out what AT&T says about phone > and cable services. Most experiences with them have been a bit better > than with Qwest. Sure, AT&T Road Runner doesn't provide a real static IP, but it's not like your IP changes every day. Sure, you might not want to run a business web site of it, but for a personal or hobby site, Road Runner is static enough. Nate From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Jul 10 20:25:51 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting July 12th Message-ID: Hey folks, we're meeting at Barley Johns. Its becoming a favorite spot! Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there! ~jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From mccloud at wiredhot.net Tue Jul 10 21:59:19 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B4B7AB7.31827.4F0C2AC@localhost> On 10 Jul 2001, at 17:42, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > As someone else said, ask again. You may never get the answer you > want, but you might, and you should badger them about why it *isn't* > the answer you want. I have found that politely saying "Well, I > understand it's not *your* fault, but do you think you could find me > someone in engineering to explain this and satisfy my own compulsions" > often gets results. > There is also an office only the ISPs get to talk to, I think its called the MegaCenter. After you have moved to the new place and your phone line has been installed. Tell the tech or salesperson you want to talk to someone in the MegaCenter on conference call. Convince the person at the MegaCenter that you wont complain if the service is bad and you will live with whatever connection you can get. I'm at 22,000 and get a signal of 15db or less sometimes. Technicly its not suppose to work, but I get a constant connection. Only problem is, if something goes wrong, they wont fix it. But, thats the deal I made. Bob From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 10 23:32:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDTV and Linux? Message-ID: <20010710233203.7ccbbdd9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I'll likely be disappointed by the answer to this question, but I should ask anyway.. Has anyone heard of any consumer HDTV tuner cards that work with Linux (or at least have documentation available, so drivers could be made)? If no, has anyone come across good ways to convince companies to be more open about their technology (documentation, documentation, documentation)? Anyway, just curious... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ ...In 64-bit Color! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010710/eb0aa423/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 00:30:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High latency Network File Systems? Message-ID: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com> Anyone doing any network file systems (yes, nfs, but afs, etc) through high latency links? Looking for something that would be effective for 64K ISDN link. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 11 01:45:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High latency Network File Systems? In-Reply-To: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:30:18AM -0500 References: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711014532.A16619@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:30:18AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone doing any network file systems (yes, nfs, but afs, etc) through high > latency links? > > Looking for something that would be effective for 64K ISDN link. And here the title had me thinking you were looking for a file system designed to be high-latency - NFS via avian carrier or something like that. From mccloud at wiredhot.net Wed Jul 11 02:40:04 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B4BBC84.12322.5F1D3A9@localhost> On 10 Jul 2001, at 20:13, Austad, Jay wrote: > I need static ip's. I checked into T1's, and the best price I > found is $722/mo (loop fee included). Where did you get that price? I just got a quote from Sprint and they tacked on the loop fee onto the 722.00. > > Besides DSL, ISDN, and a T1 or frame, what other solutions would I > have? If you go with ISDN I have a terminal adaptor and I still have the Cisco 804 router. Also, if you do go with ISDN, the 804 will allow you to plug a phone in so you dont have to have a seperate phone line :) You can get terminal adaptors that will do that to, just the one I have isnt setup for it. Bob From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 04:56:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? Message-ID: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Ok, it's not for me, honest. I am pretty much a vim/emacs user when I work on html, but I have a client who has seen the light and is getting several linux boxes for Java development. They would like to have their html designers on linux too, but the designers use Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to html editor on linux, are there any good ones? Yes, I hit the search engines, but I don't feel like downloading them and see which or "good". Since I think all design tools for html just suck. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Jul 11 05:41:41 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01071105414100.01337@scott.imaginivity.net> On Wednesday 11 July 2001 04:56, you wrote: > Ok, it's not for me, honest. I am pretty much a vim/emacs user when I > work on html, but I have a client who has seen the light and is > getting several linux boxes for Java development. Amaya, produced by W3, is actually not too bad. Pretty basic but it at least produces decent HTML. Bluefish also seems "ok" to me. But for DreamWeaver folk, you've got to go with IBM Homepage Builder. > Yes, I hit the search engines, but I don't feel like downloading them > and see which or "good". Since I think all design tools for html just > suck. :-) They all suck. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jul 11 06:19:00 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01071106190000.01082@friday.tarsk.com> Netscape comes with one that isnt too bad. On Wednesday 11 July 2001 4:56 am, you wrote: > Ok, it's not for me, honest. I am pretty much a vim/emacs user when I work > on html, but I have a client who has seen the light and is getting several > linux boxes for Java development. > > They would like to have their html designers on linux too, but the > designers use Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to html > editor on linux, are there any good ones? > > Yes, I hit the search engines, but I don't feel like downloading them and > see which or "good". Since I think all design tools for html just suck. :-) From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 07:49:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <3B4B7AB7.31827.4F0C2AC@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > can get. I'm at 22,000 and get a signal of 15db or less sometimes. > Technicly its not suppose to work, but I get a constant connection. > Only problem is, if something goes wrong, they wont fix it. > But, thats the deal I made. How'd you negotiate the deal? What rate do you train at? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 07:55:52 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, it's not for me, honest. I am pretty much a vim/emacs Way to sit on that fence, Bob! > They would like to have their html designers on linux too, but the > designers use Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to > html editor on linux, are there any good ones? Without knowledge of what they want for it to be good, it's hard to say. The only two I've remotely played with were August and Bluefish. I don't think August is point-and-drool enough to make them really happy, and I haven't seen how stable Bluefish is lately. Neither made me give up emacs. Actually the only one I've seen that's better to use than just a text editor (and I'm not someone who does it 8 hours a day) is Cosmo Create, but that's SGI/IRIX. HTH -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 08:05:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010711 05:00]: > Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to html editor on linux, > are there any good ones? Mozilla Composer. It's suprisingly good. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 08:07:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <3B4BBC84.12322.5F1D3A9@localhost> Message-ID: <20010711080731.I12165@ringworld.org> * Bob McCloud [010711 02:41]: > > I need static ip's. I checked into T1's, and the best price I > > found is $722/mo (loop fee included). > Where did you get that price? I just got a quote from Sprint and > they tacked on the loop fee onto the 722.00. Ask zibby what he pays for his Partial T1 frame from Norlight. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 08:53:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82EB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Bandwidth.com has some sweet deals on T1's, and t1sales.com also has some. The guys from bandwidth.com keep saying that Qwest will not honor orders from t1sales.com, but someone I know ordered from them recently and got their T1 just fine. The qwest T1 through t1sales.com is $559 + loop fee ($200 for me), so $759 total. Bandwidth.com has good pricing on Qwest, Sprint, and Broadwing connections right now. All prices are for an unlimited usage full T1, with a full class C. -----Original Message----- From: Bob McCloud [mailto:mccloud@wiredhot.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:40 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl On 10 Jul 2001, at 20:13, Austad, Jay wrote: > I need static ip's. I checked into T1's, and the best price I > found is $722/mo (loop fee included). Where did you get that price? I just got a quote from Sprint and they tacked on the loop fee onto the 722.00. > > Besides DSL, ISDN, and a T1 or frame, what other solutions would I > have? If you go with ISDN I have a terminal adaptor and I still have the Cisco 804 router. Also, if you do go with ISDN, the 804 will allow you to plug a phone in so you dont have to have a seperate phone line :) You can get terminal adaptors that will do that to, just the one I have isnt setup for it. Bob _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 08:54:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82EC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >Ask zibby what he pays for his Partial T1 frame from Norlight. Zibby, what do you pay for your Partial T1 frame from Norlight? From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 09:24:15 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scream? Dreamweaver under wine? vi! :) Or, OSX with some GNU software. If there's an app you depend on and that app is tied to Win and Mac, converting users is going to be hard. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From kblack at isd.net Wed Jul 11 09:52:56 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AlphaServer 1200 + RAID configuration Message-ID: <3b4c6848.658c.0@isd.net> I have the opportunity to get our company running Postgresql on an AlphaServer 1200 (DEC, not Compaq version). I am trying to find a suitable raid controller ($200 or under) for it that has good Linux support. The one it shipped with (Mylex DAC960PDU-3) is not supported by the manufacturer anymore, (or by the writer of the driver under Linux).. The card needs a set of flash-roms to make it work... To make a long story short, does a pci raid controller exist that can be used under Linux that does not require some strange set-up of plugging the controller into a second machine running DOS to run the raid configuration tool while the drives remain in the alpha box (some type of utility that anybody knows about?). I know this is a long shot (as the box is an Alpha), but I thought I would stand on someone's shoulders that could provide me with some insight. I do have a DPT PM2144UW with the raid module, but this would require the DOS setup I mentioned before. Thanks, Kelly Black (P.S. I am on the digest list, so expect delay in discourse) From sbernsen at innoveda.com Wed Jul 11 10:41:36 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? Message-ID: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> I have an HP A4033A 19" monitor (off an HP-UX machine) that has gone south on me. I don't believe, however, that the tube is bad. Can anyone recommend a place to take it for repair? Thanks, Seth -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Wed Jul 11 10:50:50 2001 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82EB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82EB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010711105050.2701a96b.jay-tclug@3pound.com> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:53:30 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > their T1 just fine. The qwest T1 through t1sales.com is $559 + loop > fee ($200 for me), so $759 total. Back in '97 I became aware of "the 511 building" (511 11th Avenue), it's the old Control Data building. At the time, rent was almost $1/sqft on month-to-month basis .. and got cheaper with a longer lease. The beauty is, if you're in that building, you don't pay any line charges. 2001? They're basically booked solid, it gets worse though: a "janitor's closet" goes for $750/month, for $1000/month you might be able to walk in. (Both include a/c!) My question is -- aside from what was gofast.net, what other buildings are "on the backbone" and have a line-charge-free policy? -Jay J p.s. At 511, if you rent 10,000 sq-ft .. you get the old $1/sqft rate. From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 10:53:27 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY> I have installed RH Linux 7.1 on a ALR Q/SMP quad processor box. It is a EISA/PCI box running 4 - 133MHz processors - 256MB RAM, and 30GB disk. Nothing special, but sufficient for home use as a hobby web server. Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have installed in it. Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all the ifconfig params, and for some reason even after specifying interrupt 11 in the modules.conf, it is trying to use IRQ = 0 ???? Picked up a cheapy NetGear EA302c (think that's the number) which is an ISA card, plugged into the EISA ports, the machine saw it as new hardware, but again, will not talk through it to my network. Anyone heard anything about special configuration needs of the Q/SMP devices with regards to Ehternet configuration? -Rod Strumbel From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 11:03:39 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High latency Network File Systems? In-Reply-To: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone doing any network file systems (yes, nfs, but afs, etc) through high > latency links? > > Looking for something that would be effective for 64K ISDN link. Just start an X session to a box on the remote end of that link? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 11:05:58 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > I have an HP A4033A 19" monitor (off an HP-UX machine) that has gone > south on me. I don't believe, however, that the tube is bad. Can > anyone recommend a place to take it for repair? Talk to Carl (chrome@real-time.com); not sure how much he monitors the list anymore.. but we just had a monitor repaired; guy did a great job.. Carl can give'ya the phone number. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 11:06:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82EF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You probably need to run isapnp before loading the module. Basically, you use pnpdump to get an isapnp.conf file, modify it a little, and then run isapnp. Read the manpage for it, it's fairly straightforward. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Strumbel [mailto:RStrumbel@popp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:53 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > > > I have installed RH Linux 7.1 on a ALR Q/SMP quad processor box. > > It is a EISA/PCI box running 4 - 133MHz processors - 256MB > RAM, and 30GB disk. > > Nothing special, but sufficient for home use as a hobby web server. > > Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have > installed in it. Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all > the ifconfig params, and for some reason even after > specifying interrupt 11 in the modules.conf, it is trying to > use IRQ = 0 ???? > > Picked up a cheapy NetGear EA302c (think that's the number) > which is an ISA card, plugged into the EISA ports, the > machine saw it as new hardware, but again, will not talk > through it to my network. > > Anyone heard anything about special configuration needs of > the Q/SMP devices with regards to Ehternet configuration? > > -Rod Strumbel > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 11:11:43 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High latency Network File Systems? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:03:39AM -0500 References: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711111143.A15345@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:03:39AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone doing any network file systems (yes, nfs, but afs, etc) through high > > latency links? > > > > Looking for something that would be effective for 64K ISDN link. > > Just start an X session to a box on the remote end of that link? :) Or FTP FS (ftpfs.sourceforge.net) ? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From mccloud at wiredhot.net Wed Jul 11 11:34:31 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: References: <3B4B7AB7.31827.4F0C2AC@localhost> Message-ID: <3B4C39C7.18340.7DB36A0@localhost> On 11 Jul 2001, at 7:49, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > > > can get. I'm at 22,000 and get a signal of 15db or less sometimes. > > Technicly its not suppose to work, but I get a constant connection. > > Only problem is, if something goes wrong, they wont fix it. But, > > thats the deal I made. > > How'd you negotiate the deal? What rate do you train at? > This got rather long, so if your not interested, delete now. Basicly I called the salesmans bluff. At first I went with a nationwide company, not sure if they are still around. But, they had sdsl. They guarnteed a full meg. That requires a seperate phone line. When I ordered the new phone line, Qwest naturally wanted to sell me dsl. I told them that I ordered sdsl and got a guarntee. The salesman, knowing better I'm sure, did the same, guanteed a full meg. I didnt get the full meg, I only got 756K, up and down on the sdsl. But, the price including phone line was like a 200 bucks or something, the price for my 16 ip address's and dns was outrageous, on top of that. In the meantime, Qwest installed theirs. At the time, 256k was advertised, up and down. But we all know the price for that. Much cheaper. All of this took about 6 weeks to happen. Well, by that time, things had changed and I didnt need the meg or the 756k. I had a promise from the sdsl, so I had that disconnected and they ate the install price. They also reimbursed my install charges for the phone line, which I cancelled. After awhile, Qwest changed to the 640K down. About 4 months later, I'm now 6 or 7 months from the time of install, my connection was going up and down daily for a couple of weeks. To the point that I almost switch to cable. I need the ip address's to or I would have changed. I called Qwest and got on a rant, I'm mean I was livid and not nice about my connection going up and down. They told me that it shouldnt work, I am 22,400 feet out. I asked how that could be, when it was installed I was only 18,200 feet out. My house didnt move, and I know the CO didnt move. Then I accused them of jacking with the phone lines and I wanted it fixed or I go the state commmision. At this point, Qwest was in the middle of buying USwest and made promises to the state about improving dsl services. Between me being very rude, on a rant and just short of cussing and being 22,000 feet out, the tech wanted to disconnect the service. I naturally said bull shit, you messed it up, you fix it!!! Thats when they put me on the conference call with the Megabit Center. Still not sure if that is the right term. Anyway, they agreed to keep the service on, if I would agree never to bother them again. Remember, I was not nice during all of this. And guess what, the service has been excellent. I havent lost a connection since. At the time, I just upgraded to CBOS 2.1 or something. I trained in at 15db, 640k up and 256k down. I just checked it, im trained in at 358k down and 256k up at 24db !! I have a third party webhost, not my ISP. I can ftp to them at 700k. But typical download from the net is between 400K to 500k depending on who I am downloading from. Basicly, my connection and bandwidth is all over the place. But, it is always up. Of course that all plays to how intensely my ISP is playing the bandwidth game. When I talked to Sprint, on a three year contract, they are suppling the router. Last I looked, ebay had it for 1100. So some savings there, how is Bandwidth.com handling that. Are you buying one? for how much? and where? From npt at visi.com Wed Jul 11 11:52:58 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> Message-ID: we used to use a great place out in minnetonka called technoserve or something along those lines. haven't brought a monitor to em in 3 or 4 years though, not sure that's the name... was like $70 to fix a 21" viewsonic 3 years ago. quick as hell and nice people... nick ------------------------------------------ unix. nick thompson npt@visi.com ------------------------------------------ On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > > I have an HP A4033A 19" monitor (off an HP-UX machine) that has gone > south on me. I don't believe, however, that the tube is bad. Can > anyone recommend a place to take it for repair? > > Thanks, > Seth > > -- > > Seth Bernsen > V-CPU Engineer > Innoveda, Inc. > Phone: 651-765-2252 > Fax: 651-765-2205 > http://www.innoveda.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 11:56:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? In-Reply-To: ; from npt@visi.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:52:58AM -0500 References: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> Message-ID: <20010711115620.D6664@real-time.com> > we used to use a great place out in minnetonka called technoserve or > something along those lines. haven't brought a monitor to em in 3 or 4 > years though, not sure that's the name... I think I tried finding technoserve's phone #; but the number that questdex.com gave me, was someone's home #. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 12:31:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82F2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> So I could get SDSL from some provider and bypass Qwest?? > When I talked to Sprint, on a three year contract, they are suppling > the router. Last I looked, ebay had it for 1100. So some savings > there, how is Bandwidth.com handling that. Are you buying one? > for how much? and where? This was without a router. I snagged an extra 3640 from work awhile back for doing some IPSec testing, and I still have it. As long as I don't need to send it off to some remote office somewhere, I won't have to buy one. The $1100 one on ebay... Did it include the correct cards, or a CSU/DSU? Jay From cargods at anubis.network.com Wed Jul 11 12:35:14 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com> I'm getting DSL service from Qwest, and have encountered PPPoE for the first time. I had seen the letters flowing around, but never paid much attention to them. Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to DSL using PPPoE? dsc From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 11 12:39:25 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to > DSL using PPPoE? All the PPPoE stuff is handles by the little Cisco router you get with your DSL line. You connect to the router using regular ethernet. No special steps required. :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 13:03:47 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > I'm getting DSL service from Qwest, and have encountered PPPoE for > the first time. I had seen the letters flowing around, but never > paid much attention to them. > > Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to > DSL using PPPoE? Just buy the Cisco 678; then you'll have an ethernet port you can just.. use. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cargods at anubis.network.com Wed Jul 11 13:27:56 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <200107111827.NAA12124@rainier.network.com> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > > I'm getting DSL service from Qwest, and have encountered PPPoE for > > the first time. I had seen the letters flowing around, but never > > paid much attention to them. > > > > Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to > > DSL using PPPoE? > > Just buy the Cisco 678; then you'll have an ethernet port you can just.. > use. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Interesting; I do have the Cisco 678 and the installation instructions for Windows talk about how it does PPPoE. Apparently the 687 stores username and password internally; somehow it has to be configured with those BEFORE the Linux traffic will flow to the ISP. Do you know how to set up the Cisco 678 with that info from Linux? Or should I set it up from Windows (I've got a dual boot system), and then just use it from Linux? dsc From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 11 12:27:38 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: References: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010711132738.A26501@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:03:47PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > > Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to > > DSL using PPPoE? > > Just buy the Cisco 678; then you'll have an ethernet port you can just.. > use. :) Even better: buy a Cisco 678 from me! Then you won't have to pay $200 for Qwest's stupid kit (which includes obnoxiously vapid installation manuals and an ethernet card that I'm sure you won't need). I'm moving at the end of this month and will be switching to cable, and I won't need my 678 anymore. I got DSL in April and the modem has worked wonderfully. I'll part with the modem, all the associated cables and manuals (to prop up a short leg on a table or chair) for...say, $100. (I'll keep the ethernet card for my own nefarious uses :) Or make an offer. I won't need this stuff after July 31, so I'd like to get rid of it. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From cargods at anubis.network.com Wed Jul 11 13:39:27 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <200107111839.NAA12164@rainier.network.com> > From root Wed Jul 11 13:36:54 2001 > From: Dan Drake > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:27:38 -0400 > > Even better: buy a Cisco 678 from me! > Then you won't have to pay $200 for Qwest's stupid kit (which includes > obnoxiously vapid installation manuals and an ethernet card that I'm sure > you won't need). > > I'm moving at the end of this month and will be switching to cable, and I > won't need my 678 anymore. I got DSL in April and the modem has worked > wonderfully. > > I'll part with the modem, all the associated cables and manuals (to prop > up a short leg on a table or chair) for...say, $100. (I'll keep the > ethernet card for my own nefarious uses :) Or make an offer. I won't need > this stuff after July 31, so I'd like to get rid of it. > > Dan I've already got it, and my company is going to reimburse me anyway. dsc From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 11 12:32:16 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111827.NAA12124@rainier.network.com> References: <200107111827.NAA12124@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010711133216.B26501@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:27:56PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > Interesting; I do have the Cisco 678 and the installation instructions > for Windows talk about how it does PPPoE. Apparently the 687 stores > username and password internally; somehow it has to be configured with > those BEFORE the Linux traffic will flow to the ISP. Do you know how > to set up the Cisco 678 with that info from Linux? You use Minicom to talk to the modem over a serial line (they include the cable you need, and so will I if anyone takes me up on my offer!) and you just tell it your username and passwod. It remembers them after that and you never have to put them in again. > Or should I set it up from Windows (I've got a dual boot system), and > then just use it from Linux? Use Winders if you call tech support, since the people who work there will soil themselves if you say anything other than "Windows" or "Mac". Of course, you can usually "translate" what they tell you do in Windows to Linux commands. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 14:01:03 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <3B4C39C7.18340.7DB36A0@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > My house didnt move, and I know the CO didnt move. Then I accused them > of jacking with the phone lines and I wanted it fixed or I go the > state commmision. At this point, Qwest was in the middle of buying > USwest and made promises to the state about improving dsl services. Even today, if you mention filing a complaint with the PUC they usually push through a step or two further. > Remember, I was not nice during all of this. You don't even need to be nasty -- I found that the individuals I spoke to on the phone are generally nice, it's just the manglement and process they have set up over there that causes trouble. But they pay (I think; this is hearsay) something like $500 per PUC complaint, regardless. So you have the by the short ones, it seems, if you mention this. And if you tell them that there are two issues, each worth a separate complaint, ... > And guess what, the service has been excellent. I havent lost a > connection since. At the time, I just upgraded to CBOS 2.1 or > something. I trained in at 15db, 640k up and 256k down. Other way round, maybe? > I just checked it, im trained in at 358k down and 256k up at 24db !! Better than ISDN. > But, it is always up. And that, beats two birds in the bush. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 14:02:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111827.NAA12124@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > Interesting; I do have the Cisco 678 and the installation instructions > for Windows talk about how it does PPPoE. Apparently the 687 stores > username and password internally; somehow it has to be configured with > those BEFORE the Linux traffic will flow to the ISP. Do you know how > to set up the Cisco 678 with that info from Linux? Hook up a serial cable to it, and fire up minicom (9600, 8N1, no flow control), hit enter, type 'enable', hit enter, config away. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 14:07:52 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, nick wrote: > we used to use a great place out in minnetonka called technoserve or > something along those lines. haven't brought a monitor to em in 3 or 4 > years though, not sure that's the name... It is. They rock. > was like $70 to fix a 21" viewsonic 3 years ago. quick as hell and nice > people... They weren't that cheap for me, but I had a Radius or something a little more funky. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 11 13:01:26 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111839.NAA12164@rainier.network.com> References: <200107111839.NAA12164@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010711140126.A26571@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:39:27PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > I've already got it, and my company is going to reimburse me anyway. Doh! Well, the offer is open to anyone else. I certainly could use a little bit 'o cash, and it'd be nice to help out a fellow LUGnut. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 14:11:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <3B4C39C7.18340.7DB36A0@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bob McCloud wrote: > I called Qwest and got on a rant, I'm mean I was livid and not nice > about my connection going up and down. They told me that it > shouldnt work, I am 22,400 feet out. I asked how that could be, > when it was installed I was only 18,200 feet out. My house didnt > move, and I know the CO didnt move. Then I accused them of > jacking with the phone lines and I wanted it fixed or I go the state > commmision. At this point, Qwest was in the middle of buying > USwest and made promises to the state about improving dsl > services. We actually ended up in a similar situation.. we had a customer who's line was installed by Qwest, but didn't work. Qwest said that it was too far out. I moved the DSL router down to the dmarc and ran cat5 back up to the server room, which cut 300ft off, and got a link. Qwest told us that we could keep it, but if it went down, we were screwed. 6 months of solid connectivity, and then Qwest decided to do an upgrade to their CO that would "improve connection distances", and after the upgrade, everyone else in the area just had to power cycle their router, but these guys were down for the count. And, of course, Qwest just cancelled their link, and, of course, the customer got pissed at us, even though we specifically told them MANY times that the slightest change could kill their DSL forever. Fun! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Wed Jul 11 14:07:16 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com>; from sbernsen@innoveda.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:41:36AM -0500 References: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> Message-ID: <20010711140716.A22646@mudpiefoods.com> Seth Bernsen > > I have an HP A4033A 19" monitor (off an HP-UX machine) that has gone > south on me. I don't believe, however, that the tube is bad. Can > anyone recommend a place to take it for repair? > Curis Fredrickson Quality Electronics 952.417.9360 This guy has been fixing crt's for many years. He will know over the phone whether it is worth it for him to fix your monitor. If you tell him you were refered by Spencer, he might be nice. He might not tho. -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jul 11 14:24:18 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <20010711140126.A26571@lemongecko.org> References: <200107111839.NAA12164@rainier.network.com> <20010711140126.A26571@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <01071114241801.08814@friday.tarsk.com> I am in the same boat. I have a Cisco 675 (not a 678) and a 3com SDSL modem if anyone is interested or needs one. I would be happy to get rid of them. (I just shipped off the Telocity gateway today, and have a 678 in use- Im a DSL victom, can you tell?) Jay On Wednesday 11 July 2001 1:01 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:39:27PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > > I've already got it, and my company is going to reimburse me anyway. > > Doh! > Well, the offer is open to anyone else. I certainly could use a little > bit 'o cash, and it'd be nice to help out a fellow LUGnut. > > Dan -- How come wrong numbers are never busy? From sbernsen at innoveda.com Wed Jul 11 14:27:34 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Repair recommendations? References: <3B4C73B0.7A61BC21@innoveda.com> <20010711140716.A22646@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <3B4CA8A6.F645BA77@innoveda.com> Thanks for all the input, I called Curtis Fredricks of Quality Electronics and am going to bring my monitor (and a few others the company is interested in having fixed) out to him. Seems like a really good guy. Seth -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 14:35:25 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AlphaServer 1200 + RAID configuration In-Reply-To: <3b4c6848.658c.0@isd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 kblack@isd.net wrote: > I have the opportunity to get our company running Postgresql on > an AlphaServer 1200 (DEC, not Compaq version). There you go! :) > I am trying to find a suitable raid controller ($200 or under) > for it that has good Linux support. The one it shipped with > (Mylex DAC960PDU-3) is not supported by the manufacturer > anymore, (or by the writer of the driver under Linux).. The card > needs a set of flash-roms to make it work... > > To make a long story short, does a pci raid controller exist > that can be used under Linux that does not require some strange > set-up of plugging the controller into a second machine running > DOS to run the raid configuration tool while the drives remain > in the alpha box (some type of utility that anybody knows about?). I'd suggest that you search comp.sys.dec and the debian-alpha list. Probably the latter first. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 14:45:46 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Scream? That's screem (http://www.screem.org/). ;p I used it for production work last summer and it was quite reasonable. But it's not WYSIWIG. > Dreamweaver under wine? Eww. ;p > vi! :) Yay!! gvim is my friend. :) > Or, OSX with some GNU software. If there's an app you depend on and that > app is tied to Win and Mac, converting users is going to be hard. Yay!! OS X with vim is *really* my friend. :) And OS X integrates with a heterogenous environment very easily (my roommate is doing just that at his place of employment). Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From bexley at daily.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 14:59:59 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <20010711132738.A26501@lemongecko.org> References: Message-ID: <3B4C6A12.3244.147128F@localhost> > Even better: buy a Cisco 678 from me! Hey I'd love to save $100! But of course this all hinges on Qwest making my line work... I recently moved (not too far) and took my old number with me when I moved. Well, when we called up Qwest, the "tech" told us that we'd have to switch phone numbers (to a different prefix) so that everything was cool at the CO, but then DSL would certainly work. Of course we did switch numbers, but also of course, DSL doesn't work. Insertion loss of 52.3 according to visi.com (like you'd ever get a real number out of Qwest). The weird thing is that a friend a block away has no problems with his DSL at all. Anyway, I'm calling them to yell today (after 3 other roommates tried and failed) and maybe I'll have to use the old PUC trick. Ben ----------- Benjamin Exley President The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612)627-4070 x3030 From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 11 15:04:54 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? Message-ID: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> Has anybody on this list had a chance to develop with Zope? If so, can somebody comment on their experience with it, as opposed to other web application environments such as PHP or JSP containers? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 11 15:16:24 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? In-Reply-To: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Has anybody on this list had a chance to develop with Zope? If so, can > somebody comment on their experience with it, as opposed to other web > application environments such as PHP or JSP containers? What a perfect opportunity to plug the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. (More info at http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/.) I'm going to be presenting an introduction to Zope ("The Dope On Zope" is my working title) and some demonstrations including basic features and the new "portal in a box" CMF (Content Management Framework). I've just started a local Zope/Python Users Group and Saturday's meeting will be that group's first meeting. I've created a brief Web page at http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug/ with more information. Unfortunately, however, I can't compare Zope directly with other products in that category. Zope is the first application server I've had the occasion to use. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 15:17:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <01071105414100.01337@scott.imaginivity.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:41:41AM -0500 References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> <01071105414100.01337@scott.imaginivity.net> Message-ID: <20010711151716.D7536@real-time.com> Quoting Scott W Fischer (scott.w.fischer@att.net): > But for DreamWeaver folk, you've got to go with IBM Homepage Builder. Homepage Builder works under linux? This one did not show up under google when I searched. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jul 11 09:23:11 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? References: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B4C614F.2B10186F@usfamily.net> I know That Tim Wilson uses Zope ask him "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Has anybody on this list had a chance to develop with Zope? If so, can > somebody comment on their experience with it, as opposed to other web > application environments such as PHP or JSP containers? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010711/be124f5d/drew.vcf From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 16:08:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY>; from RStrumbel@popp.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:53:27AM -0500 References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711160808.F18273@real-time.com> > I have installed RH Linux 7.1 on a ALR Q/SMP quad processor box. quad processors... > It is a EISA/PCI box running 4 - 133MHz processors - 256MB RAM, and 30GB > disk. any pictures to be seen? > Nothing special, but sufficient for home use as a hobby web server. and good for lots of bragging rights. > Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have installed in > it. > Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all the ifconfig params, and for > some > reason even after specifying interrupt 11 in the modules.conf, it is trying > to > use IRQ = 0 ???? a PCI 509? can you use the regular 3com 3c5xx utils to see what IRQ it wants to be? (or am I missing something? I've never actually touched a PCI 3c509.) > Picked up a cheapy NetGear EA302c (think that's the number) which is an ISA > card, plugged into the EISA ports, the machine saw it as new hardware, but > again, will not talk through it to my network. is the module loaded? is the module loaded with the right parameters? any chance you could bring this thing to an installfest so we can see it? :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 16:20:08 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY>

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be running as a WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. Picked up a NetGear 314 router to share the cable modem. All I should need to do is register with a setup like no-ip.com to maintain any dynamic DNS that may occur, and I am home free. So far, checking my IRC logs, the address hasn't ever changed. But RoadRunner makes no promises of the address being permanent. As for the other responses - I have tried numerous times to reconfigure the modules.conf to contain an option line of: options 3c50x irq=11 but to no avail. It always reverts back and tries to use IRQ=0. As for the ISA card, I have never played with ISA devices under Linux before, so the isapnp.conf and the pnpdump are new to me. I can't find any reference to them on my Linux machines at the office, so I will have to look more closely when I get home tonight. Thanks for the help! -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > I have installed RH Linux 7.1 on a ALR Q/SMP quad processor box. quad processors... > It is a EISA/PCI box running 4 - 133MHz processors - 256MB RAM, and 30GB > disk. any pictures to be seen? > Nothing special, but sufficient for home use as a hobby web server. and good for lots of bragging rights. > Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have installed in > it. > Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all the ifconfig params, and for > some > reason even after specifying interrupt 11 in the modules.conf, it is trying > to > use IRQ = 0 ???? a PCI 509? can you use the regular 3com 3c5xx utils to see what IRQ it wants to be? (or am I missing something? I've never actually touched a PCI 3c509.) > Picked up a cheapy NetGear EA302c (think that's the number) which is an ISA > card, plugged into the EISA ports, the machine saw it as new hardware, but > again, will not talk through it to my network. is the module loaded? is the module loaded with the right parameters? any chance you could bring this thing to an installfest so we can see it? :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 11 16:32:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY>; from RStrumbel@popp.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500 References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711233201.C83106@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: >

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be running as a > WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. Do they probe for servers on the network? (afaik you aren't allowed to run servers on rr) Just wondering since I do have rr too, but have a machine colocated elsewhere.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 16:33:13 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Rod Strumbel wrote: > As for the other responses - I have tried numerous times to reconfigure the > modules.conf to contain an option line of: > options 3c50x irq=11 > but to no avail. It always reverts back and tries to use IRQ=0. Try the 3c905 driver. I have indeed seen a PCI 3c509 (or so it was labelled), but it really used the 905 driver. Why couldn't they just be smart and use drivers that make sense?? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 16:34:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.6 changes the fb bootlogo.. Message-ID: They actually have a COOL looking penguin in the 2.4.6 frame buffer bootlogo. Woohoo! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 16:36:31 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122C@MERCURY> All they list in their documentation is that IF you want to run multiple "machines" on a single port, then you must purchase a cable router. Then there is some clause about upto X number of machines can be there yada yada yada. Their probing capability stops at my 314, because it is a single address NAT device. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: >

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be running as a > WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. Do they probe for servers on the network? (afaik you aren't allowed to run servers on rr) Just wondering since I do have rr too, but have a machine colocated elsewhere.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 16:37:45 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Why couldn't they just be smart and use drivers that make sense?? :) ok, i just realized how little sense that comment makes. i meant, why can't they do version numbering that makes logical sense? i mean, 509 -> 905 for the next card.. makes no sense to me.. confuses the heck outa everyone. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 16:38:25 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP Message-ID: Just for those of you who haven't tried it.. it's basically Windows 2000 with a ugly, impossible-to-use, what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui. If you turn all that crap off, and switch to the classic theme, it'd be hard to tell the difference.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 11 16:41:35 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122C@MERCURY>; from RStrumbel@popp.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:36:31PM -0500 References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122C@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711234135.D83106@io.stderr.net> I was more thinking of on the "real" ip address, if they probe for servers on that, since I noticed a clause that said you weren't allowed to run "services" off the connection.. On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:36:31PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: > All they list in their documentation is that IF you want to run multiple > "machines" on a single port, then you must purchase a cable router. Then > there is some clause about upto > X number of machines can be there yada yada yada. Their probing capability > stops at my 314, because it is a single address NAT device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: > >

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be running as a > > WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. > > Do they probe for servers on the network? (afaik you aren't allowed to > run servers on rr) Just wondering since I do have rr too, but have a > machine colocated elsewhere.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 16:40:59 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122D@MERCURY> Keeps their tech support personnel employed (for now) -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:38 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Why couldn't they just be smart and use drivers that make sense?? :) ok, i just realized how little sense that comment makes. i meant, why can't they do version numbering that makes logical sense? i mean, 509 -> 905 for the next card.. makes no sense to me.. confuses the heck outa everyone. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 16:44:13 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Mediaone runs constant portscans on 2 of my friends cable connections to make sure they are not running servers. If they catch you, they warn you once, if they catch you again, they disconnect you for good. I've heard that roadrunner is the same way. Although, you could probably set up a linux firewall, watch the logs to see where they are portscanning you from, and then deny all packets from the ip/network that they scan you from and start up your webserver once you have them blocked out. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Strumbel [mailto:RStrumbel@popp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:37 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > > > All they list in their documentation is that IF you want to > run multiple "machines" on a single port, then you must > purchase a cable router. Then there is some clause about > upto X number of machines can be there yada yada yada. Their > probing capability stops at my 314, because it is a single > address NAT device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: > >

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be > running as > > a WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. > > Do they probe for servers on the network? (afaik you aren't > allowed to run servers on rr) Just wondering since I do have > rr too, but have a > machine colocated elsewhere.. > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Jul 11 16:51:06 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY> Message-ID: |So far, checking my IRC logs, the address hasn't ever changed. But |RoadRunner makes no promises of the address being permanent. From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 16:47:39 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122E@MERCURY> hmm... I may have to review that portion of it, and potentailly setup some masquerading of some sort. Will keep you posted. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:42 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards I was more thinking of on the "real" ip address, if they probe for servers on that, since I noticed a clause that said you weren't allowed to run "services" off the connection.. On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:36:31PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: > All they list in their documentation is that IF you want to run multiple > "machines" on a single port, then you must purchase a cable router. Then > there is some clause about upto > X number of machines can be there yada yada yada. Their probing capability > stops at my 314, because it is a single address NAT device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Rod Strumbel wrote: > >

"Hopefully"

before the next InstallFest it will be running as a > > WebServer through my Cable Modem Connection with RoadRunner. > > Do they probe for servers on the network? (afaik you aren't allowed to > run servers on rr) Just wondering since I do have rr too, but have a > machine colocated elsewhere.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 11 16:52:34 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:44:13PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010711235234.E83106@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:44:13PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Mediaone runs constant portscans on 2 of my friends cable connections to > make sure they are not running servers. If they catch you, they warn you > once, if they catch you again, they disconnect you for good. That's what I thought they would. > I've heard that roadrunner is the same way. Although, you could probably > set up a linux firewall, watch the logs to see where they are portscanning > you from, and then deny all packets from the ip/network that they scan you > from and start up your webserver once you have them blocked out. This is what I don't get, ATT says my connection is RoadRunner, when I'm online my reverse dns is something like nic-123-123-123.mn.mediaone.net, what's the difference there? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jul 11 16:48:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The GUI sucks on XP. Sucks even worse than regular windows. But, I suppose the more they dumb it down, the more people will buy it... Sad. Although, the latest build of XP professional includes that sweet 3d rendered fishtank screensaver that looks like the real thing. I forget the name now, but it's probably the coolest screensaver I've ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card to get photo quality out of it. Plus, I know it's beta, but I've had it bluescreen on me several times. And when my VPN connection dies because of connectivity problems, I have to reboot it before it will connect again. IE still has some issues too. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:38 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP > > > Just for those of you who haven't tried it.. it's basically > Windows 2000 with a ugly, impossible-to-use, > what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui. > > If you turn all that crap off, and switch to the classic > theme, it'd be hard to tell the difference.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 17:01:47 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > The GUI sucks on XP. Sucks even worse than regular windows. But, I suppose > the more they dumb it down, the more people will buy it... Sad. Although, > the latest build of XP professional includes that sweet 3d rendered fishtank > screensaver that looks like the real thing. I forget the name now, but it's > probably the coolest screensaver I've ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card > to get photo quality out of it. I'm running RC1 and don't get that.. what's up with that. :( > Plus, I know it's beta, but I've had it bluescreen on me several > times. And when my VPN connection dies because of connectivity > problems, I have to reboot it before it will connect again. IE still > has some issues too. I actually haven't had it die yet.. amazing, eh? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From RStrumbel at popp.com Wed Jul 11 17:05:28 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen Savers Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091231@MERCURY> I still like the Matrix Screen Saver with Linux. I use it on all my machines. From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Jul 11 17:12:05 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP References: Message-ID: <3B4CCF35.7030206@mn.rr.com> So it's just like every other "new" version of Windows, add a couple of worthless half ass features, change the GUI along with the text of the blue screen... Dumb it down and they will come. I wonder how many people will choke on the new license? Anyone know of exactly which hardware you have to change before it quits working? Nate Carlson wrote: > Just for those of you who haven't tried it.. it's basically Windows 2000 > with a ugly, impossible-to-use, what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui. > > If you turn all that crap off, and switch to the classic theme, it'd be > hard to tell the difference.. > > -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 17:18:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <3B4CCF35.7030206@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Steve wrote: > So it's just like every other "new" version of Windows, add a couple of > worthless half ass features, change the GUI along with the text of the blue > screen... > > Dumb it down and they will come. I wonder how many people will choke on the new > license? Anyone know of exactly which hardware you have to change before it > quits working? Slashdot article a couple days ago had a link to details on this. Sounds like you can change up to 3 components before it'll invalidate the license.. what the components are varies of course.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Wed Jul 11 17:09:30 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY>; from RStrumbel@popp.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500 References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711170930.A1780@mudpiefoods.com> Rod Strumbel > As for the other responses - I have tried numerous times to reconfigure the > modules.conf to contain an option line of: > options 3c50x irq=11 > but to no avail. It always reverts back and tries to use IRQ=0. I have been messing around with various nics lately. What I have found to work best is this scenario. /sbin/modprobe modname io=0x200 /sbin/modprobe modname io=0x210 repeat until you get no error same works in modules.conf I think the card is better identified by its i/o resource. IRQ's generally fall into a range i/o addresses not the other way around. -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 17:36:43 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP References: Message-ID: <3B4CD4FB.1060901@tc.umn.edu> Hey now, the guy who helped create that "ugly, impossible-to-use, what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui" was trained right here in Minnesota.. -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minnapolis, MN 55413 (612) 331-4125 chri0704@tc.umn.edu From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 17:51:44 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:48:31PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010711175144.F19291@real-time.com> > the more they dumb it down, the more people will buy it... actually, I don't think it's fundamentally gotten any more 'idiot friendly' than it was before. the new start menu looks wierder; but I don't think it's any much easier to use... certainly not if you spend a little while exploring. (then again, most people don't...). I think idiot-friendliness has gotten to the point where they really can't get much better, at a fundamental level. so they flail around with new features, and reduced choices; to give people the impression that they're making things easier. look at Microsoft 'Bob'. :P > Sad. Although, > the latest build of XP professional includes that sweet 3d rendered fishtank > screensaver that looks like the real thing. I forget the name now, but it's > probably the coolest screensaver I've ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card > to get photo quality out of it. hmm, we've got build 2505 here, and I can't find it on the list of screensavers. :( I *am* glad to say that Starcraft installs and runs happily on it. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 17:52:23 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <3B4CD4FB.1060901@tc.umn.edu>; from chri0704@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:36:43PM -0500 References: <3B4CD4FB.1060901@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010711175223.G19291@real-time.com> > Hey now, the guy who helped create that "ugly, impossible-to-use, > what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui" was trained right here in > Minnesota.. bad apple in every barrel, they say... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 17:53:36 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY>; from RStrumbel@popp.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:20:08PM -0500 References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309122B@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711175336.H19291@real-time.com> > As for the other responses - I have tried numerous times to reconfigure the > modules.conf to contain an option line of: > options 3c50x irq=11 > but to no avail. It always reverts back and tries to use IRQ=0. what happens if you try to use the 'modprobe' and/or 'insmod' commands to set the parameters? should do the same thing, but it's worth a try... Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jul 11 17:53:07 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711.22530700@linwin.mshome.net> I know I sound like a broken record (you know what an LP record is?) but Sun's StarOffice is sure trying to offer Java and WYSIWYG HTML editing and web design. Excuse me while I take cover from the hostiles in Linuxland :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/11/01, 4:56:04 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux?.sdm: > Ok, it's not for me, honest. I am pretty much a vim/emacs user when I work on > html, but I have a client who has seen the light and is getting several linux > boxes for Java development. > They would like to have their html designers on linux too, but the designers use > Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to html editor on linux, > are there any good ones? > Yes, I hit the search engines, but I don't feel like downloading them and see > which or "good". Since I think all design tools for html just suck. :-) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 18:04:44 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <20010711175223.G19291@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Hey now, the guy who helped create that "ugly, impossible-to-use, > > what-kinda-idiot-would-ever-want-it gui" was trained right here in > > Minnesota.. > > bad apple in every barrel, they say... Actually, I think we made him leave 'cause he was rotten to the core. ;D -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 19:00:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q/SMP and Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY> References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010711190046.435dafd0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Rod Strumbel wrote: > > Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have installed > in it. Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all the ifconfig > params, and for some reason even after specifying interrupt 11 in the > modules.conf, it is trying to use IRQ = 0 ???? Please check if you really have a PCI 3c509. Every time I can recall that fabled device coming up in this group, it's been because someone got confused. 3Com didn't make the best decision by numbering their cards the way they did (combinations of 0, 5, and 9). If you have a PCI card, it's much more likely a 3c905. I've only ever seen the 3c509 as an ISA card. On a PCI system, you just have to make sure that the BIOS isn't getting confused about IRQs being used by ISA cards (there should be an option in the bios to properly flag those IRQs). If it's an ISA card, you need to use the utility from 3Com to put the card in non-PnP mode and set the IRQ. I hear that Donald Becker has also made a Linux utility for doing this, so (theoretically) you don't need to scrounge around for a DOS boot disk.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Any philosophy that can / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ be put in a nutshell \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) belongs there [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010711/84833fb9/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 11 19:25:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.6 changes the fb bootlogo.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010711192556.3480bd1b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Nate Carlson wrote: > > They actually have a COOL looking penguin in the 2.4.6 frame buffer > bootlogo. Woohoo! :) Where does that get defined? I'm looking for a way to view it without re-compiling just to see it :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 668 - Neighbor of the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Beast \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010711/a5796223/attachment.pgp From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Jul 11 21:13:24 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711151716.D7536@real-time.com> References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> <01071105414100.01337@scott.imaginivity.net> <20010711151716.D7536@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01071121132400.07070@scott.imaginivity.net> On Wednesday 11 July 2001 15:17, you wrote: > Quoting Scott W Fischer (scott.w.fischer@att.net): > > But for DreamWeaver folk, you've got to go with IBM Homepage > > Builder. > > Homepage Builder works under linux? This one did not show up under > google when I searched. Yep it does. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 21:29:17 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High latency Network File Systems? In-Reply-To: <20010711003018.F29489@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711212917.M12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010711 00:31]: > Anyone doing any network file systems (yes, nfs, but afs, etc) through high > latency links? Nfs over ipsec with these options: localoptions='rsize=8192,wsize=8192,nfsvers=3,tcp,timeo=14,retrans=5 Yeah, it can be slow at times, but it works! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From greg at guigeeks.com Wed Jul 11 22:46:21 2001 From: greg at guigeeks.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Object access logging Message-ID: <3B4D1D8D.D9C87885@guigeeks.com> Hello, I am trying to find out how to monintor/log access to files or objects. For instance, I would like to know when file.txt is accessed and who is accessing it. Would syslogd be able to do this, or do I need to find another utility? I am using Red Hat 6.2, configured by a novice. Thanks. Greg From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jul 11 22:00:09 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] QSMP and Ethernet Cards.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010711190046.435dafd0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091222@MERCURY> <20010711190046.435dafd0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010712.3000900@linwin.mshome.net> Some cards must be cold booted, not rebooted (ie: turn the system power off). Or just install the driver in the kernel instead of using a module (run "make xconfig" to set up your kernel and 3com cards are specified). If you have the right card, install the driver in the kernel, then restart the system and it still doesn't work....hmmm...don't know. 3 com cards 3c509b ISA and 3c900 XL PCI have always worked great for me, both BNC and TP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/11/01, 7:00:46 PM, Mike Hicks wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] QSMP and Ethernet Cards.sdm: > Rod Strumbel wrote: > > > > Problem: It simply will not talk to any network cards I have installed > > in it. Have tried a 3Com 3c509 (PCI) configured all the ifconfig > > params, and for some reason even after specifying interrupt 11 in the > > modules.conf, it is trying to use IRQ = 0 ???? > Please check if you really have a PCI 3c509. Every time I can recall that > fabled device coming up in this group, it's been because someone got > confused. 3Com didn't make the best decision by numbering their cards the > way they did (combinations of 0, 5, and 9). > If you have a PCI card, it's much more likely a 3c905. I've only ever > seen the 3c509 as an ISA card. On a PCI system, you just have to make > sure that the BIOS isn't getting confused about IRQs being used by ISA > cards (there should be an option in the bios to properly flag those IRQs). > If it's an ISA card, you need to use the utility from 3Com to put the > card in non-PnP mode and set the IRQ. I hear that Donald Becker has also > made a Linux utility for doing this, so (theoretically) you don't need to > scrounge around for a DOS boot disk.. > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Any philosophy that can > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ be put in a nutshell > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) belongs there > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jack at jacku.com Wed Jul 11 22:07:37 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82E9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01071122073700.01836@geezer> I think these guys are in the near North tier but I won't guarantee it since it was more than 6 months ago that I contacted them and found that they didn't have service in Plymouth. So I know NOTHING about their service. http://www.baldeagle.com Jack On Tuesday 10 July 2001 20:13, you wrote: > > Or, if you dont need static IP's, check out what AT&T says about phone > > and cable services. Most experiences with them have been a bit better > > than with Qwest. > > I need static ip's. ATT won't offer business cable modem service until > sometime in 2002. I checked into T1's, and the best price I found is > $722/mo (loop fee included). Between me and my roommate, we can expense > about $200 of that to the companies we work for, but that leaves another > $250/mo each to cover, which I don't really feel like doing (not to > mention, that's with a 3 year contract). > > Besides DSL, ISDN, and a T1 or frame, what other solutions would I have? > I've heard about some companies offering WDSL (Wireless DSL), but I haven't > seen anything in the Minneapolis/Brooklyn Park area. Whatever I do, I have > to get it taken care of before the end of August which is when all of my > crap has to be out of my apartment. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From mccloud at wiredhot.net Wed Jul 11 22:18:23 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <3B4C6A12.3244.147128F@localhost> References: <20010711132738.A26501@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <3B4CD0AF.13450.A28C590@localhost> I must have deleted the post asking about the router on ebay when I went to look it up. Anyway, the router Sprint is giving away is a Cisco 2620. Looks like they are going up a bit on ebay, when I checked there was 10 minutes left on one bid and it was at 1224. Its a CSU/DSU.... here is the search page on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=Get Result&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=cisco+2620&SortProperty=MetaEn dSort Bob From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Wed Jul 11 17:26:54 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WYSISYG HTML editor for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Ok, slightly related. Has anyone seen a decent html editor that runs in a browser? Lotus has a nice Java applet but you have to get Domino for that... I know people have tried to do similar things in browser-space *without* Java but I've never heard of one that actually worked (and given how buggy and inconsistent browsers are it's just not an attainable goal). Anyone? On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Bob Tanner [010711 05:00]: > > Dreamweaver on Mac-n-trash. Since I have no exposure to html editor on linux, > > are there any good ones? > > Mozilla Composer. It's suprisingly good. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mccloud at wiredhot.net Wed Jul 11 22:25:46 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 Message-ID: <3B4CD26A.24750.A2F8803@localhost> Sorry guys, I was wrong on the quote from sprint. A three year contract that includes the local loop and the cisco 2620 is 934.00 with no install fees. Bob From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 22:31:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <3B4CD26A.24750.A2F8803@localhost>; from mccloud@wiredhot.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:25:46PM -0500 References: <3B4CD26A.24750.A2F8803@localhost> Message-ID: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> Quoting Bob McCloud (mccloud@wiredhot.net): > Sorry guys, I was wrong on the quote from sprint. A three year > contract that includes the local loop and the cisco 2620 is 934.00 > with no install fees. Is that a frame relay T1 or point-to-point? If frame, what is the cir? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Wed Jul 11 22:33:19 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? In-Reply-To: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <01071122331901.01836@geezer> I'll chime in. I haven't done a lot of development in any of the environments but have tinkered extensivly with Zope and PHP and perl CGI. I find Zope a lot easier to use, once you get your head wrapped around it. This is getting easier to do as new tools, like the CMF, which I haven't played with extensivly, are added. I tried using Enhydra but since I'm more of a python programmer than a Java coder I had trouble wrapping my brain around Enhydra. Compared to PHP, DTML (Zope's internal template language) is similar to PHP but les complete. That's in part due to the fact that Zope "modularizes" certain functions. Instead of having database commands in DTML it has DB adapters that allow you to create a link object in the Zope Object DB that hooks to your external DB (I've used PostgreSQL). Against these you can create SQL query objects (ZSQL methods). These objects then "publish" the results of a query as a python dictionary object (I think that's right). This can be used as a variable in other DTML code. Come see Tim's presentation it will explain this better I'm sure. ;-) I've tried a bunch of things and I keep coming back to Zope. Part of it is python. I really like the language. Right now I'm experimenting with Zope, WebDAV, and a couple of tools one publishes PDFs with python, the other allows you to store MS Word docs as Zope objects and render them as HTML on the fly. Sorry for rambling long on this one. Jack On Wednesday 11 July 2001 15:04, you wrote: > Has anybody on this list had a chance to develop with Zope? If so, can > somebody comment on their experience with it, as opposed to other web > application environments such as PHP or JSP containers? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 11 22:47:17 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010711 22:32]: > > contract that includes the local loop and the cisco 2620 is 934.00 Yeah, if your CIR is lower, you could probally find a used 2500 that you could *easily* deal with. Hell even on a t1 you might beable to deal with a 2500 if its just you. Or hell, you could get a My First Router 1100 or something. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 22:53:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:47:17PM -0500 References: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010711225302.A8939@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [010711 22:32]: > > > contract that includes the local loop and the cisco 2620 is 934.00 > > Yeah, if your CIR is lower, you could probally find a used 2500 that you > could *easily* deal with. > > Hell even on a t1 you might beable to deal with a 2500 if its just you. > > Or hell, you could get a My First Router 1100 or something. > I have been itching to try one of those frame cards for linux. $545 and a 486? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 11 23:03:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? In-Reply-To: <01071122331901.01836@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:33:19PM -0500 References: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> <01071122331901.01836@geezer> Message-ID: <20010711230345.C8939@real-time.com> Quoting Jack Ungerleider (jack@jacku.com): > I find Zope a lot easier to use, once you get your head wrapped around it. > This is getting easier to do as new tools, like the CMF, which I haven't > played with extensivly, are added. I tried using Enhydra but since I'm more > of a python programmer than a Java coder I had trouble wrapping my brain > around Enhydra. > > Has anybody on this list had a chance to develop with Zope? If so, can > > somebody comment on their experience with it, as opposed to other web > > application environments such as PHP or JSP containers? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net I have been programming almost exclusively in Enhydra since last summer. I actually have a benefits of Enhydra whitepaper, I'll put it online late next week. It's written, for, well suits. Since most of our clients have suits that sign the checks. Anyways.... First, my concessions to Amy. Scripting languages like PHP are much faster in the development cycle. They are scripting languages after all. :-) I have found that scripting languages are easier in the design phase as well. You kind of get the mentality of 1 page, 1 php "program". I don't see much code re-use in PHP. We have PHP to scale well too. With a little thought there is not a real difference between PHP and Enhydra on performance. For most sites, PHP works great. Why I prefer Enhydra is the complete seperation between presentation and business/data logic. Because we work with a lot of clients who want to do the html/graphics in-house or have a graphic artist firm do the presentation, Enhydra really shines. More details on this in the whitepaper. Hmmm. After reading this, I think the whitepaper would do a better job of explaining it all. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mccloud at wiredhot.net Thu Jul 12 01:28:20 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> References: <3B4CD26A.24750.A2F8803@localhost>; from mccloud@wiredhot.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:25:46PM -0500 Message-ID: <3B4CFD34.15528.AD6B60A@localhost> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1094 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010712/7ae39a0a/attachment.bin From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jul 11 09:22:05 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest ghost(s) In-Reply-To: <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010711092205.01305896.blayer@qwest.net> There are two orbs in this photo... one is on Tanner's head. http://www.mn-linux.org/phpix/?mode=view&album=TCLUG%2F2001_03_Installfest&pic=p3030058.jpg&dispsize=640&start=0 >Shrug<, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 02:31:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <3B4CFD34.15528.AD6B60A@localhost>; from mccloud@wiredhot.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:28:20AM -0500 References: <3B4CD26A.24750.A2F8803@localhost>; <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> <3B4CFD34.15528.AD6B60A@localhost> Message-ID: <20010712023138.A19783@real-time.com> Quoting Bob McCloud (mccloud@wiredhot.net): > I pasted this from the contract. I assumed it was point-to-point. If > its not, I'd like to know. > > > (A) End-to-End Port Availability. > > > > (1) Sprint-Provided Enhanced Metropolitan-Area SONET Access. > Sprint will maintain 100% end-to-end Port availability (?Committed > Port Availability?) for each Port that utilizes Sprint-provided > enhanced metropolitan-area SONET access. That doesn't tell me for sure. Did you config your router yourself? If so, did they give you a dlci? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 02:33:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest ghost(s) In-Reply-To: <20010711092205.01305896.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 09:22:05AM -0500 References: <20010711045604.D1391@real-time.com> <20010711080541.H12165@ringworld.org> <20010711092205.01305896.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010712023351.B19783@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > There are two orbs in this photo... one is on Tanner's head. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/phpix/?mode=view&album=TCLUG%2F2001_03_Installfest&pic=p3030058.jpg&dispsize=640&start=0 > I didn't even know phpix was install for the web site. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 11 17:52:40 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG Message-ID: <20010711175240.B20936@beaver.iucha.org> Hello, Have anybody had any luck with mrtg and the Cisco 675 router? I have connected to the router, enabled snmp and then installed mrtg and ran cfgmaker: boom - connection refused. I have upgraded the router firmware from 2.2 to 2.4.1. Now cfgmaker produces a configuration (which only discovers one port of the router but still). However when I ran mrtg it produces the nice html/pngs but they are empty ;(. Now the magic: 30 minutes later the qwest phone line fails :)... till today at noon (I guess to fulfill the graphs prophecy of 0 bytes in/0 bytes out). Do you know any clever tricks to make this work? I know it works, searching Google for "Cisco 675 mrtg" takes to a lot of status pages showing the activity. Thanks, florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Jul 11 17:01:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:23:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010711170108.57658c39.blayer@qwest.net> Allow me to illustrate: >< __ U See you all at the beermeeting... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jul 12 06:58:03 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] Sprint T1@2.sdm>frame relay In-Reply-To: <20010711225302.A8939@real-time.com> References: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org> <20010711225302.A8939@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010712.11580300@linwin.mshome.net> How are all these little business clusters configured ?? A shared T1 or SONET (eg. frame relay) seems like a natural building service: just like water, sewer, power, and heat. With all the new top level domains there should be a huge increase in web site need. People want to control their access. Dedicated T1 access is overkill in hardware for most. The utilities role should be limited to maintaining the wiring. Web hosting is also an imposed service layer. Frame relay is the economical way to grow a network. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/11/01, 10:53:02 PM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] Sprint T1@2.sdm: > I have been itching to try one of those frame cards for linux. $545 and a 486? > :-) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Thu Jul 12 07:15:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting Message-ID: Can someone who's planning to come to the beer meeting bring me a copy of the redhat 7.1 disk set (at least 1 & 2, preferably also powertools)? I'll happily compensate with any of: 1. cash 2. beer 3. replacement CDs So as not to have too many people just doing it, please let's arrange it fully ahead of time. Thanks, Andy From destef at destef.com Thu Jul 12 08:16:48 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: <20010711175240.B20936@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <200107121315.f6CDFuM10041@ernie.destef.com> When I had DSL a while back my 675 did not have any snmp data. If i did an snmpwalk from a CLI it would always respond with nothing (at least no connection refused so there was a service at least listening to the port). I dont know if newer firmware adds snmp mibs but my take was that the 675 was just a low-end consumer device and they just didnt bother with snmp functionality. Jason At 05:52 PM 7/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Have anybody had any luck with mrtg and the Cisco 675 router? > >I have connected to the router, enabled snmp and then installed mrtg and ran >cfgmaker: boom - connection refused. > >I have upgraded the router firmware from 2.2 to 2.4.1. Now cfgmaker produces >a configuration (which only discovers one port of the router but still). > >However when I ran mrtg it produces the nice html/pngs but they are empty ;(. >Now the magic: 30 minutes later the qwest phone line fails :)... till today >at noon (I guess to fulfill the graphs prophecy of 0 bytes in/0 bytes out). > >Do you know any clever tricks to make this work? I know it works, searching >Google for "Cisco 675 mrtg" takes to a lot of status pages showing the >activity. > >Thanks, >florin > >-- > >"you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 12 08:15:39 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? References: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> <01071122331901.01836@geezer> Message-ID: <002501c10ad4$bf90ffe0$3028680a@tgt.com> > I'll chime in. I haven't done a lot of development in any of the environments > but have tinkered extensivly with Zope and PHP and perl CGI. > > I find Zope a lot easier to use, once you get your head wrapped around it. > This is getting easier to do as new tools, like the CMF, which I haven't > played with extensivly, are added. I tried using Enhydra but since I'm more > of a python programmer than a Java coder I had trouble wrapping my brain > around Enhydra. I love Java -- but it takes far to long to do anything useful in JSP if you code in the proper way. It is easy to get out of hand and make it hard to maintain or extend. Custom tags (taglibs) and such take a lot of work for minimal return. > > Compared to PHP, DTML (Zope's internal template language) is similar to PHP > but les complete. That's in part due to the fact that Zope "modularizes" > certain functions. Instead of having database commands in DTML it has DB > adapters that allow you to create a link object in the Zope Object DB that > hooks to your external DB (I've used PostgreSQL). Against these you can > create SQL query objects (ZSQL methods). These objects then "publish" the > results of a query as a python dictionary object (I think that's right). This > can be used as a variable in other DTML code. Come see Tim's presentation it > will explain this better I'm sure. ;-) I would love to go see it (I haven't yet met anybody on this list), but I am helping my Brother move on Saturday. > > I've tried a bunch of things and I keep coming back to Zope. Part of it is > python. I really like the language. Right now I'm experimenting with Zope, > WebDAV, and a couple of tools one publishes PDFs with python, the other > allows you to store MS Word docs as Zope objects and render them as HTML on > the fly. I am primarily a C++ programmer (Java is my second language of choice, I can use Visual Basic -- but don't like to admit to it because they want to cut my pay if I do :) and have considered looking into Python many times. I haven't gotton around to doing so yet. > > Sorry for rambling long on this one. > Jack > I am just starting to look at the "Zope Book", and it seems to be written quite well. Tom Veldhouse From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Jul 12 08:26:00 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <3B4CCF35.7030206@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: |Dumb it down and they will come. I wonder how many people will |choke on the new |license? Anyone know of exactly which hardware you have to change |before it |quits working? Summary: http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=21721 Full whitepapers: http://www.licenturion.com/xp/ I can't find the other link right now, but basically it looks at 12 items on your system, CPU, NIC MAC address, IDE/SCSI card, Motherboard, HD, video card, etc., and if more than 3-4 are different, it screams... I'd be hard pressed to find a system at my house that has more than 1-2 of the original components, but then again only one of them could even run XP with its memory and cpu hogging requirements. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 12 08:30:10 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010712083010.58bdb676.blayer@qwest.net> Ok, I don't know why I am doing this, but here is some funny sh*t. http://www.aec.at/nextsex/spermrace/ http://come.to/hatten (on this site, click the pic of the guy with the fingers pointing at him, and have flash installed) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jul 12 08:51:20 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope? References: <006701c10a44$c10fda20$3028680a@tgt.com> <01071122331901.01836@geezer> <002501c10ad4$bf90ffe0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B4DAB58.50709@uswest.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I love Java -- but it takes far to long to do anything useful in JSP if you > code in the proper way. It is easy to get out of hand and make it hard to > maintain or extend. Custom tags (taglibs) and such take a lot of work for > minimal return. Code in the proper way? I take it you mean miminal Java and the use of taglibs to render dynamic or programatic content. I don't know Python or PHP but I used to do quite a bit of Perl and I find I get as much functionality built using Java/JSP as I used to do with Perl over a given time period. It also depends on the strength of you pre-built tag library if you have one. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From RStrumbel at popp.com Thu Jul 12 08:53:31 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091233@MERCURY> dude... you are disturbed lol -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting Ok, I don't know why I am doing this, but here is some funny sh*t. http://www.aec.at/nextsex/spermrace/ http://come.to/hatten (on this site, click the pic of the guy with the fingers pointing at him, and have flash installed) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 12 09:26:35 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] QSMP and Ethernet Cards.sdm Message-ID: I really like 3Com cards. I can't wait for their next generation of NICs though. One's rumored to be a 10/100/1000 NIC labeled 3C059. They'll also have a souped up server card called 3C095. And then a more economical consumer card called the 3C950. After this generation, however, I think the person in charge of "branding" at 3Com will have to dig a little deeper... From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 09:35:58 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init Message-ID: Ok, there have been a few posts on this in recent, and I thought I would see if there is any more info out there: Here is what I want to do: init level 5 would run 2 X servers, one on tty07 and one on tty08, each having a different setup (mainly just resolution) on init level 4, I just want one X server, on tty07. (to save on memory) In theory, I should be able to do this by having /etc/X11/xdm-4 contain all config files for xdm with one X server, and /etc/X11/xdm-5 contain all config files for xdm with 2 X servers. /etc/X11/xdm-4/ = standard xdm/kdm configuration /etc/X11/xdm-5/xdm-config: DisplayManager.errorLogFile: /var/log/xdm-5-error.log DisplayManager.pidFile: /var/run/xdm.pid DisplayManager.keyFile: /etc/X11/xdm-5/xdm-keys DisplayManager.servers: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xservers DisplayManager.accessFile: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xaccess DisplayManager._0.authorize: true DisplayManager._1.authorize: true ! The following three resources set up display :0 as the console. DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xsetup_0 DisplayManager._0.startup: /etc/X11/xdm-5/GiveConsole DisplayManager._0.reset: /etc/X11/xdm-5/TakeConsole ! The following set up display on :1 also DisplayManager._1.setup: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xsetup_1 DisplayManager*resources: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xresources DisplayManager*session: /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xsession DisplayManager*authComplain: false /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xservers: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :0 tty07 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.hires :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 :1 tty08 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.lowres (the rest of the config files can be links- they are all pretty much the same) Then in /etc/inittab have: x4:4:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/kdm -nodaemon -config /etc/X11/xdm-4/xdm-config \ -resources /etc/X11/xdm-4/Xresources \ -server /etc/X11/xdm-4/Xserver \ -session /etc/X11/xdm-4/Xsession x5:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/kdm -nodaemon -config /etc/X11/xdm-5/xdm-config \ -resources /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xresources \ -server /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xserver \ -session /etc/X11/xdm-5/Xsession Then, assuming those files are configured correctly, all should work: right? Does anyone have any thoughts on this kind of setup? -- Jay Publishing Business Systems 651-634-9217 From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 12 09:27:47 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20010712083010.58bdb676.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:30:10AM -0500 References: <20010712083010.58bdb676.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010712092747.A2704@mudpiefoods.com> Bill Layer > Ok, I don't know why I am doing this, but here is some funny sh*t. > > http://www.aec.at/nextsex/spermrace/ > http://come.to/hatten (on this site, click the pic of the guy with the > fingers pointing at him, and have flash installed) > OH, they are linux kernel programmers. The relevance is quite clear now. -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 12 09:52:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 09:52:53 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression Message-ID: Does anyone know of a ls equivalent that supports regular expression matching? ie- do things like this: ls /^[A-Z]/ I know this can be done by piping to other commands (grep, awk, sort, etc) but is there a command that just does it? Jay -- Jay Publishing Business Systems 651-634-9217 From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 12 09:55:40 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Query - LIDS... Again References: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> <20010711092456.0b3ce854.inten@sakhmarine.ru> Message-ID: <3B4DBA5B.E369FFAD@eetc.com> OK... I got the kernel compiled and installed. Got a script from the lids site that looks good for a base (BASE, I am going to modify it). Now, will it cause problems if I have 2 boot kernels? I have the Lids kernel and the Non-lids kernel. So, IF i mess up really bad and render my system unusable I can always reboot w/ the non-Lids kernel right? "Kirill V.Simonenko" wrote: > SJ> Anyone using LIDS or have in the past? > > using. > > SJ> I'm using Trustix beta 1.4.95 and the 2.4.6 kernel and am wondering if > SJ> LIDS is currently working well for anyone and how easy it is to > SJ> configure. > SJ> I'm considering using it on our firewall and am wondering if it is worth > SJ> the time. > SJ> Just looking for info/opinion. > > don't use standart config. erase it! > create new! ONLY! sim From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 12 09:55:57 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting Message-ID: I would also like a copy of these disks (it is difficult to pull down an iso at work for reasons I don't want to go into :-( ) and I will be at the beer meeting tonight. I'll compensate with options 1 or 2 (cash or beer), as I will probably not go home before the meeting. If you can do this generous favor for me, please contact me off-list. Thank you, Troy >>> andy@theasis.com 07/12/01 07:15AM >>> Can someone who's planning to come to the beer meeting bring me a copy of the redhat 7.1 disk set (at least 1 & 2, preferably also powertools)? I'll happily compensate with any of: 1. cash 2. beer 3. replacement CDs So as not to have too many people just doing it, please let's arrange it fully ahead of time. Thanks, Andy _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mccloud at wiredhot.net Thu Jul 12 09:59:40 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <20010712023138.A19783@real-time.com> References: <3B4CFD34.15528.AD6B60A@localhost>; from mccloud@wiredhot.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:28:20AM -0500 Message-ID: <3B4D750C.11199.CAAE988@localhost> On 12 Jul 2001, at 2:31, Bob Tanner wrote: > That doesn't tell me for sure. Did you config your router yourself? If > so, did they give you a dlci? I havent ordered it yet, its still a little out of my price range, unless of course I can get about 10 people to go in on it with me :) I'm going to call them this morning and find out whats up. I asked them for dedicated service and priceing. Bob From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 10:03:32 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would still need to separate at least that file out for using 2 different setups with init, however. I remember trying to just add the line in Xservers, but it didnt work. That was a while ago, and I dont remember what else was going on, so I will have to give this a try. Another odd point- I currently have the setup described here except for the dual setup in xdm with init. But for some reason the hires config ends up on tty08 even though I say specifically to put it on tty07 with display :0. Any ideas on that? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:52 AM To: tclug Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init >From memory, you shouln't need seperate configs for XDM, but for your Xserver. Create two configs: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-High /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-Low ln -s /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-High /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Then just find the line in your xdm configs that is specifing what displays xdm is managing. /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-High vt7 /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-Low vt8 I don't have xdm installed, but with GDM all you would do is edit the [servers] section to look like this: [servers] 0=/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-High vt7 1=/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-Low vt8 If both config files work, it should work just fine. Seems to me like you're doing alot of extra work. XDM should share a common config, even at different resoultions. If something needs to be specific to a display, it's denoted with that display's number. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 10:05:11 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 09:52:53AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010712170511.K83106@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 09:52:53AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Does anyone know of a ls equivalent that supports regular expression > matching? > > ie- do things like this: > > ls /^[A-Z]/ > > I know this can be done by piping to other commands (grep, awk, sort, etc) > but is there a command that just does it? Basic shell expansion should allow for that thing to work. (even though ls [A-Z]* didn't quite do what I expected it to do) Otherwise: it sounds like a cool concept, anyone up for an implementation? ;) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 12 10:04:11 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 09:52:53AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010712100411.A26064@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 09:52:53AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > ie- do things like this: > > ls /^[A-Z]/ > > I know this can be done by piping to other commands (grep, awk, sort, etc) > but is there a command that just does it? This particular case could be handled with `ls [A-Z]*`, although that doesn't answer your question in the general case. For truly good regex handling on the command line (whether for ls or anything else), you'd probably need to use a shell that supports them, if only to avoid having to escape everything. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 12 10:16:55 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression Message-ID: Isn't 'ls' usually a shell built-in command? If so, you would probably find the closest "equivalent" in the docs for the shell (bash, tcsh, ksh,...). You could probably write your own such utility on perl (or python I imagine): pls: ======================= #!/usr/bin/perl -w my $regex = join(" ", @ARGV); opendir(DIR, "."); @files = readdir(DIR); closedir(DIR); foreach $file (@files) { if ($file =~ m/$regex/) { print "$file\n"; } } ====================== It could be done shorter, but it is clearer I think. But there is the "escaping everything the shell wants to grab" problem... :-/ Troy >>> list@slushpupie.com 07/12/01 09:52AM >>> Does anyone know of a ls equivalent that supports regular expression matching? ie- do things like this: ls /^[A-Z]/ I know this can be done by piping to other commands (grep, awk, sort, etc) but is there a command that just does it? Jay -- Jay Publishing Business Systems 651-634-9217 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 12 10:29:35 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Can someone who's planning to come to the beer meeting bring me a copy of > the redhat 7.1 disk set (at least 1 & 2, preferably also powertools)? I'll bring a few copies. I'll try and DL powertools in time. If anyone else wants copies, let me know. Also, do you need this to last or can I use these semi-disposable PNY CDs? (: -Yaron -- From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 10:30:38 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ls is a command. I believe it comes with the GNU fileutils package. Anyway, the perl script seems to work pretty good for basic regular expressions... I suppose if anyone needed a really complicated regular expression for ls they could just write their own perl script- might be easier. :-) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:17 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ls with regular expression Isn't 'ls' usually a shell built-in command? If so, you would probably find the closest "equivalent" in the docs for the shell (bash, tcsh, ksh,...). You could probably write your own such utility on perl (or python I imagine): pls: ======================= #!/usr/bin/perl -w my $regex = join(" ", @ARGV); opendir(DIR, "."); @files = readdir(DIR); closedir(DIR); foreach $file (@files) { if ($file =~ m/$regex/) { print "$file\n"; } } ====================== It could be done shorter, but it is clearer I think. But there is the "escaping everything the shell wants to grab" problem... :-/ Troy >>> list@slushpupie.com 07/12/01 09:52AM >>> Does anyone know of a ls equivalent that supports regular expression matching? ie- do things like this: ls /^[A-Z]/ I know this can be done by piping to other commands (grep, awk, sort, etc) but is there a command that just does it? Jay -- Jay Publishing Business Systems 651-634-9217 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 12 10:44:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > >Although, the latest build of XP professional includes that > > sweet 3d rendered fishtank screensaver that looks like the > real thing. > > I forget the name now, but it's probably the coolest > screensaver I've > > ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card to get photo quality > out of it. > > I'm running RC1 and don't get that.. what's up with that. :( It's in the very latest build which came out a few days ago. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 12 10:47:22 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8300@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, well, you have to make sure it has the correct cards in it too, so it might cost you more than just $1200. I'm not sure how much the CSU/DSU WIC card is offhand, but it's probably about the same price as the router. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McCloud [mailto:mccloud@wiredhot.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl > > > I must have deleted the post asking about the router on ebay when > I went to look it up. Anyway, the router Sprint is giving away is a > Cisco 2620. Looks like they are going up a bit on ebay, when I > checked there was 10 minutes left on one bid and it was at 1224. > > Its a CSU/DSU.... here is the search page on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=Get Result&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=cisco+2620&SortProperty=MetaEn dSort Bob _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 12 10:48:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8301@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This is for a point to point. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 > > > Quoting Bob McCloud (mccloud@wiredhot.net): > > I pasted this from the contract. I assumed it was point-to-point. If > > its not, I'd like to know. > > > > > > (A) End-to-End Port Availability. > > > > > > > > (1) Sprint-Provided Enhanced Metropolitan-Area SONET Access. > > Sprint will maintain 100% end-to-end Port availability (?Committed > > Port Availability?) for each Port that utilizes Sprint-provided > > enhanced metropolitan-area SONET access. > > That doesn't tell me for sure. Did you config your router > yourself? If so, did they give you a dlci? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 10:49:09 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows XP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A82FF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Did they ever fix the telnet server it comes with? On W2k I set it up, and connecting from a linux box using TERM=xterm things seemed to choke every now and then. Especially if you tried used its domain authentication services. I crashed my first 2000 box in 5 minutes! Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:44 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Windows XP > >Although, the latest build of XP professional includes that > > sweet 3d rendered fishtank screensaver that looks like the > real thing. > > I forget the name now, but it's probably the coolest > screensaver I've > > ever seen, but you need a fast 3d card to get photo quality > out of it. > > I'm running RC1 and don't get that.. what's up with that. :( It's in the very latest build which came out a few days ago. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 10:52:37 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8301@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > This is for a point to point. Actually true PtP or is it frame relay with nobody else on the cloud? We got a T1 from UUNet; they claimed it was true PtP, but ended up installing a frame, with nobody else on the cloud.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 10:53:06 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8300@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yeah, well, you have to make sure it has the correct cards in it too, so it > might cost you more than just $1200. I'm not sure how much the CSU/DSU WIC > card is offhand, but it's probably about the same price as the router. Last I checked, the WIC is around $900 new, $500 used.. that's IIRC, of curse.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kbongers at mninter.net Thu Jul 12 11:45:10 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need Debian CD's at beer meeting References: Message-ID: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net> Anyone got a recent distro of a Debian CD(s) they could sell/trade to me at the beer meeting? I'd be interested in any CDs(src, bin, ..). I'll try to burn up some redhat7.1 CD's, I've got the complete set(1,2,SRPMS,DOC, powertools). (I'll try to rip some of the odd ones first, powertools, srpms, doc). Karl. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 12 11:47:17 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You still shoulndn't need to start mutiple XDM's. One XDM process will manage more than one display. Really, I promise, I've done it before! How? Don't remember, been using GDM too long. If you're trying to start more that one XDM out of init you are definitly doing something wrong. Sorry I can't be much help with XDM though. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 12 11:51:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need Debian CD's at beer meeting In-Reply-To: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net> Message-ID: I think I have a set of Progeny 1.0 (Binary) CD's in my car. Will trade for blank CDR's. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 12 11:53:07 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071211530700.20557@friday.tarsk.com> I am not sure you got what I am doing. I want to have init level 4 have only one display, and init level 5 have 2. I think to do this you need to have two entries in init.. unless there is another way. On Thursday 12 July 2001 11:47 am, you wrote: > You still shoulndn't need to start mutiple XDM's. One XDM process will > manage more than one display. Really, I promise, I've done it before! How? > Don't remember, been using GDM too long. If you're trying to start more > that one XDM out of init you are definitly doing something wrong. Sorry I > can't be much help with XDM though. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 > http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 > They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. > If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a > bad name for their new services. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Woman on Street: Sir, you are drunk; very, very drunk. Winston Churchill: Madame, you are ugly; very, very ugly. I shall be sober in the morning. From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 12 12:44:14 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need Debian CD's at beer meeting In-Reply-To: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net>; from kbongers@mninter.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0500 References: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010712124414.D3050@mudpiefoods.com> Karl Bongers > > Anyone got a recent distro of a Debian CD(s) they could sell/trade > to me at the beer meeting? I'd be interested in any CDs(src, bin, ..). > > I'll try to burn up some redhat7.1 CD's, I've got the complete > set(1,2,SRPMS,DOC, powertools). (I'll try to rip some > of the odd ones first, powertools, srpms, doc). > On a simular note. I DL'd an ISO Debian Potato for the PPC and burned it to disk. I boot to the disk and all I get is a 'white' screen. So, I found a different image off the net and repeated. Same scenario. I do not have a FDD on the computer. I do have a 2gig partion reserved for Debian PPC.Is there some 'trick' to boot from this cd? or am I just in the twilight zone? I think I should be able to boot to SuSE and then iniate the Debian install from there. Any ideas? Does anyone have any experience booting multiple OS's with a 'New World Order' mac? -- | Spencer Underground | mailto:spencer@sihope.com | | From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 14:40:55 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need Debian CD's at beer meeting In-Reply-To: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net>; from kbongers@mninter.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0500 References: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010712214055.M83106@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > > Anyone got a recent distro of a Debian CD(s) they could sell/trade > to me at the beer meeting? I'd be interested in any CDs(src, bin, ..). I have a CD(3) set labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 "Potato" - test-cycle-3 i386' and you can have those (I'm keeping the non-us cd1 I smugled in from Europe). All I need is a ride to get there since I don't have a car here yet.. Anyone driving by Silver Lane / Silver Lake Rd ? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 14:41:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: <20010711175240.B20936@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:52:40PM -0500 References: <20010711175240.B20936@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010712144114.A16325@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Hello, > > Have anybody had any luck with mrtg and the Cisco 675 router? We where never able to get mrtg to work with the 675, I cannot remember why, the reason went across the mrtg mailing list. I believe it was something todo with the 675 not support some basic MIB. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 14:46:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] Sprint T1@2.sdm>frame relay In-Reply-To: <20010712.11580300@linwin.mshome.net>; from eng@pinenet.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:58:03AM +0000 References: <20010711223135.Z16136@real-time.com> <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org> <20010711225302.A8939@real-time.com> <20010712.11580300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010712144605.B16325@real-time.com> Quoting Rick Engebretson (eng@pinenet.com): > How are all these little business clusters configured ?? A shared T1 or > SONET (eg. frame relay) seems like a natural building service: just like > water, sewer, power, and heat. With all the new top level domains there > should be a huge increase in web site need. > > People want to control their access. Dedicated T1 access is overkill in > hardware for most. The utilities role should be limited to maintaining > the wiring. Web hosting is also an imposed service layer. Frame relay is > the economical way to grow a network. It's the American way. More, more, more. You'd be surprised what many business -think- they need. They all want point-to-point so they know the cir is the best they can get. Using frame, they might not get the bandwidth they "need". -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From brian at ghostreactor.com Thu Jul 12 14:47:19 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any IDSL users? Have a netopia R3100 router/hub... In-Reply-To: <20010712214055.M83106@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Does anyone still have IDSL? I used it for a while before my town got cable and man did it suck. If any of you guys have one, or know someone who does I have a netopia router i want to get rid of. Was only used for only a short time (if it was even used at all) and is in perfect condition. I think they retail for just over 400 bucks and im willing to get rid of it for like... under 30. Netopia.com has a spec sheet on it and it is fairly complex. Has an 8 port hub built into it and is WAN ready. It would be sweet if it wasnt for an IDSL ;( Anyone want it, let me know. Would make a fancy coaster. Brian Riesgraf Ghost Reactor Industries www.ghostreactor.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 14:48:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need redhat 7.1 handoff at beer meeting In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 07:15:01AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010712144813.C16325@real-time.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): > > Can someone who's planning to come to the beer meeting bring me a copy of > the redhat 7.1 disk set (at least 1 & 2, preferably also powertools)? > > I'll happily compensate with any of: > 1. cash > 2. beer > 3. replacement CDs > > So as not to have too many people just doing it, please let's arrange it > fully ahead of time. If you are in the Eden Prarire area, you can always stop at our office and we always have several burned copies around. If you need a "Fresh" copy, we can burn one right from the tclug ftp server. $1 for media or come with your own disks. Oh, this is for any tclug member, not just Andy. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 14:49:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: <20010712144114.A16325@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > We where never able to get mrtg to work with the 675, I cannot remember why, the > reason went across the mrtg mailing list. > > I believe it was something todo with the 675 not support some basic MIB. Eh? I got it working, remember? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kbongers at mninter.net Thu Jul 12 14:51:14 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need Debian CD's at beer meeting References: <3B4DD416.3060809@mninter.net> <20010712214055.M83106@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B4DFFB2.9060001@mninter.net> I'm coming down from Coon Rapids around 5:30-6:00. Will that work for you? Karl. Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > >>Anyone got a recent distro of a Debian CD(s) they could sell/trade >>to me at the beer meeting? I'd be interested in any CDs(src, bin, ..). >> > > I have a CD(3) set labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 "Potato" - test-cycle-3 i386' > and you can have those (I'm keeping the non-us cd1 I smugled in from Europe). > > All I need is a ride to get there since I don't have a car here yet.. > > Anyone driving by Silver Lane / Silver Lake Rd ? > > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 12 15:01:09 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8309@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I was told that it was a true point to point. They asked me for my address to figure out the distance for the line. I don't think they ask you that for frame, do they? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:53 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > This is for a point to point. > > Actually true PtP or is it frame relay with nobody else on the cloud? > > We got a T1 from UUNet; they claimed it was true PtP, but > ended up installing a frame, with nobody else on the cloud.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 12 16:49:36 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Message-ID: Hey all, Let it be known that Loki rock! I have just received 10 more copies of Tribes2 and one copy of Mind Rover! Now there's enough for everyone, and more left over! I'll see some of you at the meeting tonight! -Yaron -- From cargods at anubis.network.com Thu Jul 12 16:59:18 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in continuing to have access to Windows applications on my not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to network and to print. As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be fun to run.) Any success stories? Any horror stories? David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 17:05:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > network and to print. We use VMWare here at the office all the time. Still haven't replaced ACT! for contact management, works perfectly under VMWare. Also use it as a clean testbed for working on issues for clients. (Where else can you have one machine running Win95, Win98, and 2000 all at the same time to test out a Samba PDC? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 17:07:25 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com>; from cargods@anubis.network.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:59:18PM -0500 References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010713000725.C98483@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:59:18PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > network and to print. At the place I worked for in Denmark (last two years) we used vmware for running both extra test machines of our software in Linux and since we were forced to run Lotus Notes we had a Win98 vmware too. It worked very satisfactory, all you need is enough memory and that is pretty cheap today. We used networked printers and that wasn't a problem at all, if you need direct access to the printers there might be some issues, but we had no problems with vmware at all! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jul 12 17:12:09 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > network and to print. > > As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications > on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be > fun to run.) > > Any success stories? Any horror stories? > > David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I think it depends on what type of MS operating system you need to run. VMWare Express and Win4Lin support MS Windows95/98 but only VMWare Workstation supports MS Windows NT/2000. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 17:20:26 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:12:09PM -0500 References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:12:09PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > > > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > > network and to print. > > > > As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications > > on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be > > fun to run.) > > > > Any success stories? Any horror stories? > > > > David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I think it depends on what type of MS operating system you need to run. > VMWare Express and Win4Lin support MS Windows95/98 but only VMWare > Workstation supports MS Windows NT/2000. Does VMWare Express support Linux as the host operating system? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 17:22:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:20:26AM +0200 References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010713002243.A99348@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:20:26AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:12:09PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > > > > > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > > > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > > > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > > > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > > > network and to print. > > > > > > As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications > > > on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be > > > fun to run.) > > > > > > Any success stories? Any horror stories? > > > > > > David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > I think it depends on what type of MS operating system you need to run. > > VMWare Express and Win4Lin support MS Windows95/98 but only VMWare > > Workstation supports MS Windows NT/2000. > > Does VMWare Express support Linux as the host operating system? *Doh* note to self, look harder on the website. The website says that Express will allow you to run Windows 2000 and Linux, so what is the difference there? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From inten at sakhmarine.ru Thu Jul 12 17:23:15 2001 From: inten at sakhmarine.ru (Kirill V.Simonenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Query - LIDS... Again In-Reply-To: <3B4DBA5B.E369FFAD@eetc.com> References: <3B4B3508.5D0B0FF5@eetc.com> <20010711092456.0b3ce854.inten@sakhmarine.ru> <3B4DBA5B.E369FFAD@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010713092315.6421c03b.inten@sakhmarine.ru> Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:55:40 -0500 ?? ???????? ?? ?????? Re: Query - LIDS... Again. ??? ??? ? ???? ????????: SJ> OK... I got the kernel compiled and installed. Got a script from the lids site SJ> that looks good for a base (BASE, I am going to modify it). Now, will it SJ> cause problems if I have 2 boot kernels? I have the Lids kernel and the SJ> Non-lids kernel. So, IF i mess up really bad and render my system unusable I SJ> can always reboot w/ the non-Lids kernel right? sure :) don't forget /sbin/lilo :) --- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 17:23:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Does VMWare Express support Linux as the host operating system? Yeah. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jul 12 17:36:07 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> <20010713002243.A99348@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B4E2657.7A07C153@uswest.net> Thomas Eibner wrote: > > *Doh* note to self, look harder on the website. > > The website says that Express will allow you to run Windows 2000 and > Linux, so what is the difference there? You must be looking a different part of the website. I am going by the following: VMWare Workstation blurb - Windows 2000 Professional, Server, and Advanced Server, Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3, 4, 5, and 6 Workstation and Server, Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE, Windows 95 (all OSR releases), Windows for Workgroups, Windows 3.1, MS-DOS 6 VMWare Express blurb - Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE, Windows 95 (all OSR releases) -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 12 17:42:26 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <3B4E2657.7A07C153@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:36:07PM -0500 References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> <20010713002243.A99348@io.stderr.net> <3B4E2657.7A07C153@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010713004226.B99348@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:36:07PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > *Doh* note to self, look harder on the website. > > > > The website says that Express will allow you to run Windows 2000 and > > Linux, so what is the difference there? > > You must be looking a different part of the website. I am going by the > following: > > VMWare Workstation blurb - Windows 2000 Professional, Server, and > Advanced Server, Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3, 4, 5, and 6 Workstation > and Server, Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE, Windows 95 (all OSR > releases), Windows for Workgroups, Windows 3.1, MS-DOS 6 > > VMWare Express blurb - Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE, Windows 95 (all OSR > releases) I just went to the store to see what the prices where and there they did mention which OS's could run on them. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dcsherman at qwest.net Thu Jul 12 18:08:25 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <01071218082501.01508@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm running Win98 under Win4Lin, and it works quite well -- less of a memory hog than VMWare, which is nice for my ThinkPad. Printing is supported, although I haven't really tried it out. Networking works perfectly -- I use it to run the Lotus Notes client, to talk to our Domino server. Dave On Thursday 12 July 2001 16:59, thus spake David S. Cargo: > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > network and to print. > > As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications > on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be > fun to run.) > > Any success stories? Any horror stories? > > David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Ti3pOiMJhTaLf3MRAlF5AJ0bU5PAZ695Iv7ZN8JAR4ORjGbO6wCgniZl T5EVGiIubiRRDFDsp429BbE= =N9qp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dcsherman at qwest.net Thu Jul 12 18:09:59 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <01071218082501.01508@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm running Win98 under Win4Lin, and it works quite well -- less of a memory hog than VMWare, which is nice for my ThinkPad. Printing is supported, although I haven't really tried it out. Networking works perfectly -- I use it to run the Lotus Notes client, to talk to our Domino server. Dave On Thursday 12 July 2001 16:59, thus spake David S. Cargo: > Anybody out there running VMWare or Win4Lin? I'm interested in > continuing to have access to Windows applications on my > not-yet-acquired Linux box. It would be nice not to need to use > dual boot. That means the Windows application has to be able to > network and to print. > > As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications > on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be > fun to run.) > > Any success stories? Any horror stories? > > David S. Cargo (now cargods@network.com) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list - - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Ti3pOiMJhTaLf3MRAlF5AJ0bU5PAZ695Iv7ZN8JAR4ORjGbO6wCgniZl T5EVGiIubiRRDFDsp429BbE= =N9qp - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Ti5IOiMJhTaLf3MRAr8SAJ4pJVSGulchxBf9uevzDrUr8yw0NQCcDd4Y zQlfq4vgZhgE3i2dmy1c3XI= =rKiQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scanman at mninter.net Thu Jul 12 20:20:51 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <3B4E4CF3.1030901@mninter.net> I use Wine somewhat frequently to run a few apps. Using Wine is really hit-or-miss. Programs will work perfectly in one version, then not work at all in the next release. In general, older, simpler programs work best. There is a database of what apps are known to work at www.winehq.com. Some of the programs that work best are Starcraft, Half-life, and Solitaire. David S. Cargo wrote: >As an alternative, anybody using WINE to run Windows applications >on Linux? (I might even have some DOS applications that might be >fun to run.) > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 12 20:42:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8312@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >I use it to run the Lotus Notes client, to talk to our Domino >server. Apparently, you can run a version of the Notes client using wine under linux. I think they have a 16-bit windows version which is the one that works. If that's the only reason you use win4lin/vmware, you can stop now. :) From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 12 21:19:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Architect sub-contractor wanted Message-ID: <20010712211958.E6394@real-time.com> Real Time is looking for a sub-contractor that calls themselves a Java Architect. What is a Java Architect? This is a person who helps document the design aspect of a project. I know each company has its own definition for a software life cycle, so here are more details on what we would expect from a Java Architect. This person would be responsible for working our client to document the vision and the vision statement of the project. Using the vision, this person would create a project scope, and finally a functional specification. We are -not- looking for a developer. So, if you just want to write code, this is not a position for you. This person understands that customers do not want a technical solution, they want their vision fulfilled. I could post all the skills we are looking for in this individual, but that would be no fun. I'd give you all the questions -and- the answers. :-) If you are truly a software architect you'll know what skills sets are required for the position. Please send resumes or links to resumes to jobs@real-time.com, include availability and hourly rate. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 12 09:33:30 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8.0 CDs at beermeeting? In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091233@MERCURY> References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091233@MERCURY> Message-ID: <20010712093330.30ed4a62.blayer@qwest.net> http://come.to/hatten I've already got one request to bring a set of Slackware 8.0 cds to the beermeeting tonight. Does anyone else want a set? This new 16x burner is fast.. :) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 12 16:13:42 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:49:18PM -0500 References: <20010712144114.A16325@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010712161342.A3477@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:49:18PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > We where never able to get mrtg to work with the 675, I cannot remember why, the > > reason went across the mrtg mailing list. > > > > I believe it was something todo with the 675 not support some basic MIB. > > Eh? > > I got it working, remember? :) With CBOS 2.4.1? Or do you have 2.4.2? florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 12 14:07:16 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: <200107121315.f6CDFuM10041@ernie.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:16:48AM -0500 References: <20010711175240.B20936@beaver.iucha.org> <200107121315.f6CDFuM10041@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010712140716.A13498@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:16:48AM -0500, Jason DeStefano wrote: > When I had DSL a while back my 675 did not have any snmp data. > If i did an snmpwalk from a CLI it would always respond with nothing > (at least no connection refused so there was a service at least > listening to the port). I dont know if newer firmware adds snmp > mibs but my take was that the 675 was just a low-end consumer > device and they just didnt bother with snmp functionality. They have had something since 2.2 - it didn't work though. They fixed it in later revisions and broke it in 2.4.1 and fixed it again in 2.4.2... florin > At 05:52 PM 7/11/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Have anybody had any luck with mrtg and the Cisco 675 router? > > > >I have connected to the router, enabled snmp and then installed mrtg and ran > >cfgmaker: boom - connection refused. > > > >I have upgraded the router firmware from 2.2 to 2.4.1. Now cfgmaker produces > >a configuration (which only discovers one port of the router but still). > > > >However when I ran mrtg it produces the nice html/pngs but they are empty ;(. > >Now the magic: 30 minutes later the qwest phone line fails :)... till today > >at noon (I guess to fulfill the graphs prophecy of 0 bytes in/0 bytes out). > > > >Do you know any clever tricks to make this work? I know it works, searching > >Google for "Cisco 675 mrtg" takes to a lot of status pages showing the > >activity. > > > >Thanks, > >florin > > > >-- > > > >"you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 04:31:10 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: I am in the process of setting up a brand new system here and I am about ready to scream trying to get my network connection working. Can anyone help by pointing me in the right direction. Here's where I'm at: I have a 3Com 3c905 from Tran. I know this card works as I swapped it in another system and all is OK. Lights on the card are up as well as the lights on the switch. They even blink when I ping or attempt telnet or such. The 3c59x module loads just fine. The interface shows up in the ifconfig listing and shows that it is transmitting, but not receiving. I can run tcpdump on another system on the same subnet and watch the arp requests if I try to ping from the 'broken' computer. I can't ping the broken computer and it does not show any traffic using tcpdump. The `route -n` output is the same on the broken computer as it is on the working system. I have gone through my /etc/network/interface file and made sure the various settings are correct. (IE: network, gateway, etc are all the same. Only the IP is different) As a last resort I even tossed in my trusty Bootable Business Card and tried to setup the network using DHCP, but that failed. (The DHCP Server got the Discover request and sent the Offer response, but the trivial-net-setup script failed.) What am I missing? This is a debian 2.2 system straight from the CD's. I'm betting I just screwed up something really simple, but I have looked at this so much I must be missing something. TIA for any help. Dave From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 12 23:12:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010712231210.08041788.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> David Royer wrote: > > I have a 3Com 3c905 from Tran. I know this card works as I swapped it > in another system and all is OK. Lights on the card are up as well as > the lights on the switch. They even blink when I ping or attempt telnet > or such. You're using the same cable to test with? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can I yell "movie" in a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ crowded firehouse? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010712/9b7828a0/attachment.pgp From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 05:11:34 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: <20010712231210.08041788.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: I tried several cables...especially the obvious, ripping one out of a working system and pluging it into the broken one. On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > David Royer wrote: > > > > I have a 3Com 3c905 from Tran. I know this card works as I swapped it > > in another system and all is OK. Lights on the card are up as well as > > the lights on the switch. They even blink when I ping or attempt telnet > > or such. > > You're using the same cable to test with? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can I yell "movie" in a > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ crowded firehouse? > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From mccloud at wiredhot.net Thu Jul 12 23:56:09 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8309@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B4E3919.23504.42807E@localhost> They didnt ask me that question. All they asked me for was the area code and prefix to see if they could do it out of my CO. On 12 Jul 2001, at 15:01, Austad, Jay wrote: > I was told that it was a true point to point. They asked me for my > address to figure out the distance for the line. I don't think they > ask you that for frame, do they? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:53 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > This is for a point to point. > > > > Actually true PtP or is it frame relay with nobody else on the > > cloud? > > > > We got a T1 from UUNet; they claimed it was true PtP, but > > ended up installing a frame, with nobody else on the cloud.. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 01:00:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU Message-ID: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/11967.html As I started to read this, I thought "rant" and "flamebait", but then the topic turned to .GNU and to tell your the truth, I read Ximians press release, I thought why? Why -follow- microsoft? So I re-read the GNOME vs KDE part. Since I have been doing Java for months now, I don't dip into gtk vs qt stuff. I know this is probably flamebait, but I find GNOME -and- KDE both very good from a user stand point. Anyone care to comment on GNOME vs KDE from an developer prospective? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at techie.com Fri Jul 13 07:26:09 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:31:10AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713072609.C26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Could we get some hard data? I'd like to see the output from /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/route -n cat /etc/network/interfaces From dcsherman at qwest.net Fri Jul 13 07:44:17 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8312@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8312@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01071307441700.01508@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I wish. Unfortunately, there is a single Palm app I use (ThinkDB) that is unable to sync using jpilot, so I also need the Palm Desktop. And, I need Client Access to administer several AS/400's. Dave On Thursday 12 July 2001 20:42, thus spake Austad, Jay: > >I use it to run the Lotus Notes client, to talk to our Domino > >server. > > Apparently, you can run a version of the Notes client using wine under > linux. I think they have a 16-bit windows version which is the one that > works. If that's the only reason you use win4lin/vmware, you can stop > now. > > :) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Tu0jOiMJhTaLf3MRAszEAKCSpDzBJED9M7tL93ClybjE3Os2MgCffw3I YcptHE/CMvZ5BkQ7fpUhBY0= =dlLA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jul 13 07:41:20 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU References: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B4EEC70.A39E243@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/11967.html > > As I started to read this, I thought "rant" and "flamebait", but then the topic > turned to .GNU and to tell your the truth, I read Ximians press release, I > thought why? Why -follow- microsoft? > > So I re-read the GNOME vs KDE part. Since I have been doing Java for months now, > I don't dip into gtk vs qt stuff. > > I know this is probably flamebait, but I find GNOME -and- KDE both very good > from a user stand point. > > Anyone care to comment on GNOME vs KDE from an developer prospective? > Two years ago I reviewed both KDE and Gnome. The intended use was for putting a GUI front end on a huge inventory control/order entry/sales analysis/accounting package, so the decision was fairly critical. I made the decision back then to go with Gnome because of: o Licensing issues (which still are not perfect in the KDE world). o Ability to develop in a variety of languages (such as C, C++, Perl, Python, ADA, etc...). KDE back then only allowed C++ - now there are apparently wrappers for a small number of languages. o Corba support - I do not believe KParts has the ability to do remote execution of objects. If it does it is hard to believe that it will ever reach the sophistication and interoperability of Corba. o Test apps I wrote at the time showed KDE to be perceptually slower than Gnome (I wrote product selectors using both widget sets). Since that decision I've written several 10's of thousands of lines of GTK/Gnome code, most of it in C with some prototyping in Python. Most of the code has been in developing base level widgets (product selectors, account selectors, service selectors, entry widgets with validation models specific to our industry). The choice to use C was made because C is incredibly easy to wrap from other languages, and wrapping C++ is pretty near impossible given the state of name mangling. One thing that has impressed me about gnome is that it is incredibly stable. I can't think of a single instance where a gtk/gnome widget has cored out (note that this is not the case with KDE from what I've been reading). In the end I think KDE and Gnome widgets will become interoperable via Corba, and indistinguishable because of theming. Coffee time... Kent From jh at sgi.com Fri Jul 13 08:06:19 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:20:26AM +0200 References: <200107122159.QAA18269@rainier.network.com> <3B4E20B9.2CC4A48F@uswest.net> <20010713002026.D98483@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010713080619.C27738@sgi.com> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:20:26AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > I think it depends on what type of MS operating system you need to run. > > VMWare Express and Win4Lin support MS Windows95/98 but only VMWare > > Workstation supports MS Windows NT/2000. > > Does VMWare Express support Linux as the host operating system? VMWare *Express* is a limited version of VMWare. It only supports Linux as the host OS, it only supports Windows 95/98 as the guest, you can only run 1 guest at a time, etc. It's a lot cheaper, though, if that is what you want. See http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/index.html#matrix or other stuff on their web site. John From RStrumbel at popp.com Fri Jul 13 08:26:30 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] QSMP and Ethernet Cards.sdm Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A0309123D@MERCURY> Thanks y'all. I got the Q/SMP Server online last night through my cable modem. I never did get the 3c905-TX card to work though. I worked with the ISA card addresses until I hit on the right combination. The server really isn't all that fast, and for a machine with 256MB of RAM it is suprisingly slow to load programs (may be the 5400 rpm Hard Drive). But it will make a fine addition to my home network. -Rod -----Original Message----- From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:27 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: Re [TCLUG] QSMP and Ethernet Cards.sdm I really like 3Com cards. I can't wait for their next generation of NICs though. One's rumored to be a 10/100/1000 NIC labeled 3C059. They'll also have a souped up server card called 3C095. And then a more economical consumer card called the 3C950. After this generation, however, I think the person in charge of "branding" at 3Com will have to dig a little deeper... _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 14:30:29 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: <20010713072609.C26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: OK. Here 'goes. ifconfig - broken ------------------------------- eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:03:C6:50:7D inet addr:65.165.40.236 Bcast:65.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.248 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0 TX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0xcc00 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ifconfig - good --------------------------- eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:78:12:2D:FE inet addr:65.165.40.237 Bcast:65.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.248 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:8647 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5223 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:76 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0x6200 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:56 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:56 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- interfaces - bad --------------------------- # The loopback interface iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) iface eth0 inet static address 65.165.40.236 netmask 255.255.255.248 gateway 65.165.40.238 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- interfaces - good --------------------------- # The loopback interface iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) # eth0 iface eth1 inet static address 65.165.40.237 netmask 255.255.255.248 gateway 65.165.40.238 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- route - bad --------------------------- Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 65.165.40.232 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 65.165.40.238 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- route - good --------------------------- Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 65.165.40.232 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 65.165.40.238 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > Could we get some hard data? I'd like to see the output from > > /sbin/ifconfig > /sbin/route -n > cat /etc/network/interfaces > > >From the broken machine and from a working machine. > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 13 09:07:46 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:00:28AM -0500 References: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010713090746.B2362@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:00:28AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/11967.html I can't say that I agree with JZ (the article's author) on much of anything. He seems to think that Free/Open Source Software has a central purpose which all effort should be devoted towards and redundant projects detract from that purpose, although he never states what he believes that purpose to be. I think that the point of it all is to write good code that does what _you_ want instead of what someone else thinks you want. A plethora of yet-another-foo projects aren't harmful in my view, they're essential. > As I started to read this, I thought "rant" and "flamebait", but then the topic > turned to .GNU and to tell your the truth, I read Ximians press release, I > thought why? Why -follow- microsoft? I don't mess with KDE or GNOME either, but I am on the mailing lists for DotGNU and FreeDevelopers (which is where the idea was originally hatched). JZ obviously isn't on these lists, based on his comments regarding DotGNU. Mono is intended to be, essentially, a DotNET compatibilty layer. As I understand it, they're creating an open implementation of MS's Common Language Runtime so that DotNET applications can be run on non-MS systems. They may be misguidedly following MS, but how is mono any different from wine or samba in that respect? DotGNU is focusing more on the Passport/HailStorm side of MS's strategy. The intent is to create a DotNET-compatible authentication system which is distributed and fully-decentralized (the original plan was to base the design off of DNS, but it was later decided that even having root servers was too open to abuse) and gives the user full control of his personal information, whether he wants to run an auth server on his own desktop or delegate those functions to someone else (bank, ISP, even MS). As for JZ's ETA on DotGNU, it's possible that he's correct about it being two years out, but there are those on the list who believe that, by basing it off of existing Free code, a working auth system could be in place before MS completes the rest of DotNET. Personally, I don't believe that a DotNET-style vision of ASPs everywhere is anything more than a passing fad. But I do believe that MS is trying to establish a lock on authentication services which, if they succeed, could make them as powerful on the internet as they are on the desktop today and render any victory in the operating system arena irrelevant. DotGNU is an attempt to head them off with an open authentication system that will prevent any single player from obtaining that stranglehold on the net. From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 13 09:15:33 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/SID dist-upgrade probs Message-ID: Hey, Anyone else having it fail to get a whole buncha stuff lately? -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 09:21:32 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <20010713080619.C27738@sgi.com> Message-ID: > you can only run 1 guest at a time, etc. Even on a 1ghz box with 256mb of ram I don't dare run more than one VMWare Workstation. VMWare Express is basically VMware's answer to Win4Lin cutting into their business. Win4Lin still has a slight advantage in price and performance however. But yes, you're limited to Win9x. I presonally love having VMWare workstation around for testing stuff. VMWare Workstation is excelent for that. (Undoable disks are great!) On the machines I run it on it is very usable. Both VMWare and Win4Lin require kernel modifactions. VMWare's are in the form of modules, and if you're kernel changes you simply have to run vmware-config.pl to rebuild the VMWare modules. After you do this the first time, you can just do vmware-config.pl -d and it will do it with no interaction from you. Currently VMWare supports anything 2.4.6 and below, and they're decently quick about releasing a new version if a new kernel breaks things. Win4Lin by comparsion doesn't support as many kernels. I'm not quite sure, but I don't think they've gotten past 2.4.2 yet. (Bummer for me as I like using tmpfs in the newer kernels.) Instead of using modules for Win4Lin, you have to patch your kernel (or use one of the pre built kernels provided by Netraverse.) So you can't simply grab the latest kernel package from debian and keep on running with Win4Lin. Netraverse has also fallen into the RPM is the only way to deal with software install, so Debian and Slackware users are going to have loads of fun installing. The Win4Lin 2.X installer doesn't work at all under Debian. Not sure about the 3.0 installer. Overall, VMWare is better designed. You do need plenty of RAM, and a good fast processor goes along way. Win4Lin is runnable on lower end machines, even pentium 1. Don't go with anything less than 300mhz for VMWare, and I strongly suggest more than 128mb of ram. Hope that was helpful... Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Jul 13 09:17:01 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) Message-ID: Hello, I want to make a relatively simple static web page (my host doesn't support cgi or php or anything). But I want it prety easy to update and having a somewhat large table burried in the html that I'll want to change often makes me think that I don't want to be editing the raw html directly all the time. Ideally, I'd like parts of the web page to be generated by reading a text file (including the table in maybe a tab deliminated file) and then I could use perl or php or something? to make the static web page. I'd then just have to make changes to these text files and run a script to update the page. Also, maybe a good html editor that worked well with tables but kept the code pretty clean would work, but so far I haven't found one. Suggestions on the best way to do this. I'm thinking php, but maybe that's overkill. Thanks, Ben From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 09:26:05 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/SID dist-upgrade probs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's fairly normal with woody and sid. It basically means your mirror is in the processes of synching with the master server. Try a different mirror, (if you're using ftp.us.debian.org or http.us.debian.org just try again, they're doing a round robin DNS [or maybe they're doing some sort of load balancing?] so another mirror might have finished syncing. Or give up, try again in a couple hourse. I use a cron job myself to download dist-upgrades while I'm asleep. (apt-get update && apt-get -dy dist-upgrade) Usually everything is there and downloaded when I get around to actually installing the updated packages. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 09:26:05 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/SID dist-upgrade probs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's fairly normal with woody and sid. It basically means your mirror is in the processes of synching with the master server. Try a different mirror, (if you're using ftp.us.debian.org or http.us.debian.org just try again, they're doing a round robin DNS [or maybe they're doing some sort of load balancing?] so another mirror might have finished syncing. Or give up, try again in a couple hourse. I use a cron job myself to download dist-upgrades while I'm asleep. (apt-get update && apt-get -dy dist-upgrade) Usually everything is there and downloaded when I get around to actually installing the updated packages. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 13 09:30:20 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/SID dist-upgrade probs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Or give up, try again in a couple hourse. I use a cron job myself to > download dist-upgrades while I'm asleep. (apt-get update && apt-get -dy > dist-upgrade) Usually everything is there and downloaded when I get around > to actually installing the updated packages. Yeah, I am actually using http.us.debian.org, and this has been going on for like a week, which is why I'm asking. I figured it happens semi-regularly and thought it'll be done in a day or two... -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 09:32:58 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 01.index.part 02.index.part 03.index.part XX.index.part Then just an shell script to cat them all together in the correct order? Can't even do Server Side Includes? Bummer. :) What did they do, go "You can use FrontPage!" on you? Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Jul 13 09:40:28 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) Message-ID: I'd use perl. How about creating a template for the page and tag it where you want to table to be inserted, then use perl to merge the template w/the contents of the tab-delimited file? Greg > ---------- > From: Ben Luey[SMTP:lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) > > Hello, > > I want to make a relatively simple static web page (my host > doesn't support cgi or php or anything). But I want it prety easy to > update and having a somewhat large table burried in the html that I'll > want to change often makes me think that I don't want to be editing the > raw html directly all the time. > > Ideally, I'd like parts of the web page to be generated by reading a text > file (including the table in maybe a tab deliminated file) and then I > could use perl or php or something? to make the static web page. I'd then > just have to make changes to these text files and run a script to update > the page. Also, maybe a good html editor that worked well with tables but > kept the code pretty clean would work, but so far I haven't found one. > > Suggestions on the best way to do this. I'm thinking php, but maybe that's > overkill. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 16:06:28 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd recomend using PHP, maybe with the FastTemplate class to really keep the HTML seperate from the code. If you set this up on your own system, then use lynx or wget or something to generate the static pages you should be able to make it happen with little trouble. One of the books I have at home on php had a section devoted exactly to this. I'll let you know what the book is when I get home. Dave Royer On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Ben Luey wrote: > Hello, > > I want to make a relatively simple static web page (my host > doesn't support cgi or php or anything). But I want it prety easy to > update and having a somewhat large table burried in the html that I'll > want to change often makes me think that I don't want to be editing the > raw html directly all the time. > > Ideally, I'd like parts of the web page to be generated by reading a text > file (including the table in maybe a tab deliminated file) and then I > could use perl or php or something? to make the static web page. I'd then > just have to make changes to these text files and run a script to update > the page. Also, maybe a good html editor that worked well with tables but > kept the code pretty clean would work, but so far I haven't found one. > > Suggestions on the best way to do this. I'm thinking php, but maybe that's > overkill. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 13 10:57:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting Message-ID: Hey there, Um, as someone who's never really been to the U of M... how's the parking situation? I see there are ramps and garages, how much do they cost? Are there meters? Yes, I hate parking. If anyone in the Shoreview area needs a ride or wants to carpool, let me know. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 13 10:59:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More meeting questions Message-ID: Hey, Uh, is there like a sign in the building saying where the meeting is? It looks like a pretty big building in the photo... -Yaron -- From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 17:04:30 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's been a few months since I had to get over there, but the best bet for parking is in the 4th Street ramp right next to the CS building. Looking at the Parking website (http://www1.umn.edu/parking/) the weekend rate is $4.25. There are meters along Washington Avenue a couple blocks East of the CS building but they are usually filled. Dave On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey there, > > Um, as someone who's never really been to the U of M... how's the parking > situation? I see there are ramps and garages, how much do they cost? Are > there meters? Yes, I hate parking. > > If anyone in the Shoreview area needs a ride or wants to carpool, let me > know. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 11:19:09 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:57:04AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713111908.A19282@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:57:04AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey there, > > Um, as someone who's never really been to the U of M... how's the parking > situation? I see there are ramps and garages, how much do they cost? Are > there meters? Yes, I hate parking. There are some meters nearby, but not many. There is a ramp right across Union Street from the ECE building (the Washington Street ramp), which might be the safest bet. See (or othewr maps availale there) http://www1.umn.edu/parking/maps/ebcolr.htm for details. There are also parking lots, but there a little further from ECE. Rates are $3 for the lots, and $2.25 an hour for the ramps. As for the ECE building, its hard to miss. Its almost as ugly as the art museum, and its diagonally across Washington Avenue from Moos Tower, the tallest building on campus. To add a question - does anybody know what room the meeting will be in, or should we just follow the happy penguin signs? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 11:41:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and MRTG In-Reply-To: <20010712161342.A3477@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > We where never able to get mrtg to work with the 675, I cannot remember why, the > > > reason went across the mrtg mailing list. > > > > > > I believe it was something todo with the 675 not support some basic MIB. > > > > Eh? > > > > I got it working, remember? :) > > With CBOS 2.4.1? Or do you have 2.4.2? Actually got it working with CBOS 2.2.. it didn't work with 2.0/2.1. This was a long time ago. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 11:42:49 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > The interface shows up in the ifconfig listing and shows that it is > transmitting, but not receiving. Have you swapped cables, and checked the port on the hub/switch? Could also be half duplex vs. full duplex problem. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jul 13 11:42:37 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buy my shirt! Message-ID: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com> Buy my shirt! Yay cafe press! Viva Revolution! http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=linuxrevo From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 11:45:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:78:12:2D:FE > inet addr:65.165.40.237 Bcast:65.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.248 If I may ask, why eth1? Do you have a second card in the box or something? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 11:47:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Even on a 1ghz box with 256mb of ram I don't dare run more than one VMWare > Workstation. Throw more memory in, and you'll be fine. Especially at $53 for 256mb ECC PC133 from Crucial.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cargods at anubis.network.com Fri Jul 13 11:53:29 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> How much memory do you think VMWare would need? I have been thinking of getting at least 256MB. Would there be any reason not to get a new machine with 512MB? (There was a problem with older kernels and 1GB memory, I seem to recall.) I have always intended to get a system with lots of memory and a cheaper, slower processor, because the processor is not usually the performance bottleneck. dsc From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 13 11:54:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buy my shirt! In-Reply-To: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:42:37AM -0500 References: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010713115401.F2362@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:42:37AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Buy my shirt! Yay cafe press! Viva Revolution! > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=linuxrevo So do you have a copy of the picture online that isn't microscopic? Or can you at least tell us what the text says? From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 11:58:15 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buy my shirt! In-Reply-To: <20010713115401.F2362@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:54:01AM -0500 References: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com> <20010713115401.F2362@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010713115815.B19691@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:54:01AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:42:37AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Buy my shirt! Yay cafe press! Viva Revolution! > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=linuxrevo > > So do you have a copy of the picture online that isn't microscopic? > Or can you at least tell us what the text says? Try: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail.aspx?prodno=1285077&zoom=yes Text: "Eventually the revolutionaries become the established culture, and then what do they do?" Linus Torvalds -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 11:59:32 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: I never had a need to run more than one VMWare session for that matter. ;) > How much memory do you think VMWare would need? I have been > thinking of getting at least 256MB. Would there be any reason > not to get a new machine with 512MB? Well, it depends on how much memory you give to the virtural machine. Windows 2000 doesn't really get decent until you give it 128. So, 128 for unix stuff, GNOME/KDE/Mozilla/etc and 128 for windows in vmware. So far, I haven't had a need for more than 256mb. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Jul 13 11:54:06 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > How about creating a template for the page and tag it where you want > to table to be inserted, then use perl to merge the template w/the > contents of the tab-delimited file? Sounds good -- any recommendations for a book (or web site) that would help me get started doing relatively simple perl stuff like this. Thanks, Ben > > Greg > > > ---------- > > From: Ben Luey[SMTP:lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu] > > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:17 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) > > > > Hello, > > > > I want to make a relatively simple static web page (my host > > doesn't support cgi or php or anything). But I want it prety easy to > > update and having a somewhat large table burried in the html that I'll > > want to change often makes me think that I don't want to be editing the > > raw html directly all the time. > > > > Ideally, I'd like parts of the web page to be generated by reading a text > > file (including the table in maybe a tab deliminated file) and then I > > could use perl or php or something? to make the static web page. I'd then > > just have to make changes to these text files and run a script to update > > the page. Also, maybe a good html editor that worked well with tables but > > kept the code pretty clean would work, but so far I haven't found one. > > > > Suggestions on the best way to do this. I'm thinking php, but maybe that's > > overkill. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Jul 13 11:55:37 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found on the phpbuilder site and howto generate static web apges -- basically point lynx (or wget) at the site and cat the output to a file. Really simple, just need to learn php (any good book recommendations?) Sounds like it a perl vs php question. Thanks, Ben On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I'd recomend using PHP, maybe with the FastTemplate class to really keep > the HTML seperate from the code. If you set this up on your own system, > then use lynx or wget or something to generate the static pages you should > be able to make it happen with little trouble. > > One of the books I have at home on php had a section devoted exactly to > this. I'll let you know what the book is when I get home. > > Dave Royer > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Ben Luey wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I want to make a relatively simple static web page (my host > > doesn't support cgi or php or anything). But I want it prety easy to > > update and having a somewhat large table burried in the html that I'll > > want to change often makes me think that I don't want to be editing the > > raw html directly all the time. > > > > Ideally, I'd like parts of the web page to be generated by reading a text > > file (including the table in maybe a tab deliminated file) and then I > > could use perl or php or something? to make the static web page. I'd then > > just have to make changes to these text files and run a script to update > > the page. Also, maybe a good html editor that worked well with tables but > > kept the code pretty clean would work, but so far I haven't found one. > > > > Suggestions on the best way to do this. I'm thinking php, but maybe that's > > overkill. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com Fri Jul 13 12:08:17 2001 From: Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: I've been using the VMware product for several weeks now as part of a pilot program to consolidate some of our less utilized NT servers. We are using the GSX version of their product line, and so far the results are better than I would have given the product credit for, after seeing some of the old releases several years ago. The stability and control are really great. From cargods at anubis.network.com Fri Jul 13 12:13:49 2001 From: cargods at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: <200107131713.MAA12630@rainier.network.com> > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > I've been using the VMware product for several weeks now as part of a pilot > program to consolidate some of our less utilized NT servers. We are using > the GSX version of their product line, and so far the results are better > than I would have given the product credit for, after seeing some of the > old releases several years ago. The stability and control are really great. What kind of hardware are you using (CPU and memory)? dsc From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jul 13 12:16:55 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. Message-ID: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> Hey I'm in the market for a job. My resume is here: http://www.haxxed.com/resume.html From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 13 12:32:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:55:37AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713123256.A18491@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:55:37AM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > I found on the phpbuilder site and howto generate static web apges -- > basically point lynx (or wget) at the site and cat the output to a file. > Really simple, just need to learn php (any good book recommendations?) > > Sounds like it a perl vs php question. The perl version is almost as complex except that you don't need lynx and the web server. Look into Text::Template module. If you have a reasonably recent Linux/*BSD distribution you should be able to get it like this: perl -MCPAN -e shell " prompt> install Text::Template " prompt> exit perldoc Text::Template As for generic Perl stuff, get "Programming Perl" 3rd edition or the "Perl CD Bookshelf". From Bookpool (disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with them, just a very happy customer since '99 - they have some of the best prices on O'Reilly and AddisonWesley - no Manning though) florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Jul 13 12:51:28 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20010713111908.A19282@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:19:09AM -0500 References: <20010713111908.A19282@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010713125128.A5572@iaxs.net> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:19:09AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > To add a question - does anybody know what room the meeting will > be in, or should we just follow the happy penguin signs? To quote http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ : Room 3-180, which is on the ground floor of the EE-CS building : on the east bank campus. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 12:50:05 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20010713125128.A5572@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:51:28PM -0500 References: <20010713111908.A19282@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20010713125128.A5572@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010713125005.A19794@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:51:28PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:19:09AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > > To add a question - does anybody know what room the meeting will > > be in, or should we just follow the happy penguin signs? > > To quote http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ > > : Room 3-180, which is on the ground floor of the EE-CS building > : on the east bank campus. > Well, either I'm blind, or somebody just added that info. In this particular case I think it was the latter ;) . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 19:09:46 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yah...I have a second card in that box. It is currently disabled though. It was working as a firewall/gateway between a private subnet and my network connection. Dave On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:78:12:2D:FE > > inet addr:65.165.40.237 Bcast:65.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.248 > > If I may ask, why eth1? > > Do you have a second card in the box or something? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 13:26:28 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:31:10AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713132628.A12819@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> I recently had this exact same problem in a Dell PowerEdge 4400 with an Intel Fiber gigE card. All I did was move it to a different PCI slot, which changed the IRQ, and all was well. Have you tried putting the card in a different slot on the broken machine or changing th IRQ from 10 to something else (via your BIOS)? Gabe On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:31:10AM -0500, David Royer wrote: > I am in the process of setting up a brand new system here and I am about > ready to scream trying to get my network connection working. Can anyone > help by pointing me in the right direction. > > Here's where I'm at: > > I have a 3Com 3c905 from Tran. I know this card works as I swapped it in > another system and all is OK. Lights on the card are up as well as the > lights on the switch. They even blink when I ping or attempt telnet or > such. > > The 3c59x module loads just fine. > > The interface shows up in the ifconfig listing and shows that it is > transmitting, but not receiving. > > I can run tcpdump on another system on the same subnet and watch the arp > requests if I try to ping from the 'broken' computer. > > I can't ping the broken computer and it does not show any traffic using > tcpdump. > > The `route -n` output is the same on the broken computer as it is on the > working system. > > I have gone through my /etc/network/interface file and made sure the > various settings are correct. (IE: network, gateway, etc are all the > same. Only the IP is different) > > As a last resort I even tossed in my trusty Bootable Business Card and > tried to setup the network using DHCP, but that failed. (The DHCP Server > got the Discover request and sent the Offer response, but the > trivial-net-setup script failed.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 19:14:29 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have swapped the cable by grabbing a known-good cable from a working box and plugging it into -broken-. I will try playing musical cables/ports as well. How whould I go about looking into the half/full duples issue? Dave On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > The interface shows up in the ifconfig listing and shows that it is > > transmitting, but not receiving. > > Have you swapped cables, and checked the port on the hub/switch? > > Could also be half duplex vs. full duplex problem. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 13:36:12 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > How much memory do you think VMWare would need? I have been > thinking of getting at least 256MB. Would there be any reason > not to get a new machine with 512MB? > > (There was a problem with older kernels and 1GB memory, I seem to > recall.) > > I have always intended to get a system with lots of memory and a > cheaper, slower processor, because the processor is not usually > the performance bottleneck. Depends how many sessions of VMWare you'd want. I generally "budget" 128mb/session, plus 256mb for the base system.. (but I'm also a fairly heavy user). -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 13:38:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I have swapped the cable by grabbing a known-good cable from a working box > and plugging it into -broken-. I will try playing musical cables/ports as > well. > > How whould I go about looking into the half/full duples issue? Are you using a switch, or a hub? IF you're using a hub, don't worry about it. :) Are you sure that you're referencing the right ethernet card? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 13:39:18 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next LUG meeting In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:04:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713133918.B12819@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:04:30PM -0500, David Royer wrote: > It's been a few months since I had to get over there, but the best bet for > parking is in the 4th Street ramp right next to the CS building. > > Looking at the Parking website (http://www1.umn.edu/parking/) the weekend > rate is $4.25. The Fourth Street ramp is _not_ right next to the CS building. The Washington Ave ramp is right next to the CS building. The Fourth Street ramp is a bit of a walk from CS, but it is quite a bit cheaper (Washington Ave ramp is $2/hour). Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 13:41:36 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More meeting questions In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:59:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713134136.C12819@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> When you get to EE/CS, walk in the front door. You'll see some pay-phones. You'll see a door next to the pay-phones with a "3-180" sign next to it. Go through that door and you're there. Gabe On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:59:05AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Uh, is there like a sign in the building saying where the meeting is? It > looks like a pretty big building in the photo... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 13:44:39 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:16:55PM -0500 References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010713134439.D12819@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Although I find your resume extremely amusing, it prolly won't get you a job. Also, you may want to send this to the tclug-jobs list ;) Gabe On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:16:55PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Hey I'm in the market for a job. My resume is here: > http://www.haxxed.com/resume.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Jul 13 13:53:12 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) Message-ID: > Programming Perl (aka the camel book) > also check out: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Languages/Perl/Documentation/Tutorials/ if you just want a simple example to play around with, try: #!/usr/bin/perl -w use Strict; # or is it 'use strict;'? # Prototypes: sub get_table($); # ASSERTIONS: # 1. The first argument is the html template file to use $f_template = $ARGV[0] || die "Arg 0 was not supplied\n"; if(! -f $f_template) {die "$f_template is not a file\n"} # 2. The second argument is the (tab-delimited text) data file for the table to insert $f_data = $ARGV[1] || die "Arg 1 was not supplied\n"; if(! -f $f_data) {die "$f_data is not a file\n"} # 3. The insertion point for the table is denoted by: $table_tag = ''; # Open the template and pipe it to stdout, # inserting the table at the appropriate location open(FHTML, $f_template) || die "Could not open $f_template\n"; while($line = ) { if($line =~ m/$table_tag/) { $line .= get_table($f_data); } print $line; } close FHTML; exit; # Assemble a (very) basic HTML table # from a tab-delimited text file sub get_table($) { my $df = $_[0]; my $ret = "\n"; open(FDATA, $df) || die "Could not open $df\n"; while() { chomp(); $ret .= " \n"; foreach(split()) {$ret .= "
".$_."<\/TD>\n";} $ret .= " <\/TR>\n"; } $ret .= "<\/TABLE>\n"; close FDATA; return $ret; } > ---------- > From: Florin Iucha[SMTP:florin@iucha.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:55:37AM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > > I found on the phpbuilder site and howto generate static web apges -- > > basically point lynx (or wget) at the site and cat the output to a file. > > Really simple, just need to learn php (any good book recommendations?) > > > > Sounds like it a perl vs php question. > > The perl version is almost as complex except that you don't need lynx and the > web server. > > Look into Text::Template module. > > If you have a reasonably recent Linux/*BSD distribution you should be > able to get it like this: > > perl -MCPAN -e shell > text and do educated guesses> > " prompt> > install Text::Template > > " prompt> > exit > > > perldoc Text::Template > > As for generic Perl stuff, get "Programming Perl" 3rd edition or the "Perl > CD Bookshelf". From Bookpool (disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with them, > just a very happy customer since '99 - they have some of the best prices on > O'Reilly and AddisonWesley - no Manning though) > > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Fri Jul 13 14:05:54 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:30:29PM -0500 References: <20010713072609.C26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010713140554.A10073@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:30:29PM -0500, David Royer wrote: > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:03:C6:50:7D > inet addr:65.165.40.236 Bcast:65.255.255.255 > Mask:255.255.255.248 That's a really weird looking Bcast, especially with that netmask. I admit, I'm not a network expert, and it is working on the other machine. Let's see, 3 bits worth of netmask should give the network about five addresses that you can use. Is that right? Are these the settings that your DSL provider gave you to set up two machines on your DSL line? Nate From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 13 14:04:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) In-Reply-To: ; from gregory.siems@pca.state.mn.us on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713140450.B18416@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -0500, Siems, Gregory wrote: > > Programming Perl (aka the camel book) > > > also check out: > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Languages/Perl/Documentation/Tutorials/ > > > if you just want a simple example to play around with, try: > [snip] It's nice but with a lot of hardcoded stuff... Better design a nice webpage and use it as a template... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com Fri Jul 13 14:28:45 2001 From: Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin Message-ID: Our test bed has been a dual processor 1GHz machine, with 2GB RAM. I admit this is pretty beefy, but we're consolidating roughly five NT4 servers, into virtual servers running inside a RedHat host O/S. "David S. Cargo" @mn-linux.org on 07/13/2001 12:13:49 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > I've been using the VMware product for several weeks now as part of a pilot > program to consolidate some of our less utilized NT servers. We are using > the GSX version of their product line, and so far the results are better > than I would have given the product credit for, after seeing some of the > old releases several years ago. The stability and control are really great. What kind of hardware are you using (CPU and memory)? dsc _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Jul 13 14:49:21 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) Message-ID: Yeah, too much hardcoded. But like I said; it's a simple example (not an elegant one). greg > ---------- > From: Florin Iucha[SMTP:florin@iucha.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] generating static web page (php?) > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -0500, Siems, Gregory wrote: > > > Programming Perl (aka the camel book) > > > > > also check out: > > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Languages/Perl/Documentation/Tutorials/ > > > > > > if you just want a simple example to play around with, try: > > > [snip] > > It's nice but with a lot of hardcoded stuff... Better design a nice webpage > and use it as a template... > > florin > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jul 13 15:12:38 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> References: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010713.20123800@linwin.mshome.net> Trolltek (Qt) claims that applications developed with their Qt can be ported to both Linux or MSWindows. The MSWindows Qt libraries and classes are licensed, however (Surprise!). They claim this is an advantage for developers to serve both markets with the same application development. At least that is their pitch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/13/01, 1:00:28 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU.sdm: > http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/11967.html > As I started to read this, I thought "rant" and "flamebait", but then the topic > turned to .GNU and to tell your the truth, I read Ximians press release, I > thought why? Why -follow- microsoft? > So I re-read the GNOME vs KDE part. Since I have been doing Java for months now, > I don't dip into gtk vs qt stuff. > I know this is probably flamebait, but I find GNOME -and- KDE both very good > from a user stand point. > Anyone care to comment on GNOME vs KDE from an developer prospective? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 21:09:42 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: I am using a switch. I'm using the 3Com 3c905cx card and according to the kernel, that uses the 3c59x module, which loads up just fine, so I *think* I'm using the correct module for the card. Did you mean something else wrt 'referencing the right ethernet card?' Dave On 13 Jul 2001 13:38:42 -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > I have swapped the cable by grabbing a known-good cable from a working > > box and plugging it into -broken-. I will try playing musical > > cables/ports as well. > > > > How whould I go about looking into the half/full duples issue? > > Are you using a switch, or a hub? > > IF you're using a hub, don't worry about it. :) > > Are you sure that you're referencing the right ethernet card? > From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 21:13:55 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: I also tried switching to 65.165.40.239, which is what I think it should be, but that didn't seem to work. I'll go back and double check this though. I am using Bob & Co for my DSL. I've got the 65.165.40.232-239 block of addresses. (Subnet = 255.255.255.248). I'll double check the doco I've got at home regarding the broadcast. Looking at it again, I'd have to agree that the current setting looks strange. Dave On 13 Jul 2001 14:05:54 -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:30:29PM -0500, David Royer wrote: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:03:C6:50:7D > > inet addr:65.165.40.236 Bcast:65.255.255.255 > > Mask:255.255.255.248 > > That's a really weird looking Bcast, especially with that netmask. I > admit, I'm not a network expert, and it is working on the other machine. > Let's see, 3 bits worth of netmask should give the network about five > addresses that you can use. Is that right? > > Are these the settings that your DSL provider gave you to set up two > machines on your DSL line? > > Nate From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 21:15:16 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ change though. On 13 Jul 2001 13:26:28 -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > I recently had this exact same problem in a Dell PowerEdge 4400 with an > Intel Fiber gigE card. All I did was move it to a different PCI slot, > which changed the IRQ, and all was well. Have you tried putting the > card in a different slot on the broken machine or changing th IRQ from > 10 to something else (via your BIOS)? > > Gabe > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 15:41:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I also tried switching to 65.165.40.239, which is what I think it should > be, but that didn't seem to work. I'll go back and double check this > though. > > I am using Bob & Co for my DSL. I've got the 65.165.40.232-239 block of > addresses. (Subnet = 255.255.255.248). I'll double check the doco I've > got at home regarding the broadcast. Looking at it again, I'd have to > agree that the current setting looks strange. Bob & Co? Never heard of 'em. *grin* Yeah; broadcast should be .239 -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 15:40:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I am using a switch. > > I'm using the 3Com 3c905cx card and according to the kernel, that uses the > 3c59x module, which loads up just fine, so I *think* I'm using the correct > module for the card. You've got a recent kernel, right? The 3c905c driver is still fairly new.. > Did you mean something else wrt 'referencing the right ethernet card?' Do you only have one 3com card in the box? That's what I was asking. :) Also, do you see IRQ sharing in /proc/interrupts perchance? I've seen it cause problems before.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 15:41:29 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ change > though. Also, have you tried pulling the other 'net card? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 15:42:26 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ change > though. oh, and do you see anything show up in your ARP table? ie: $ /sbin/arp Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface 192.168.252.100 ether 08:00:20:7F:E7:09 C eth0 -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jul 13 15:51:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buy my shirt! In-Reply-To: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:42:37AM -0500 References: <3B4F24FD.490500E9@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010713155131.C555@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:42:37AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Buy my shirt! Yay cafe press! Viva Revolution! Callum this is SPAM dude. Knock it off. > >http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=linuxrevo >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010713/4e847d3e/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jul 13 15:57:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:16:55PM -0500 References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:16:55PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Hey I'm in the market for a job. My resume is here: >http://www.haxxed.com/resume.html Have you gone mad? Are you really looking for a job? Do you really expect anyone to hire you because you "Can make a bong out of most anything" even for a "alf-assed part time job, making just enough money to feed my growing crack habit without having to do any real work" Wow. Sad. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010713/3d9f9839/attachment.pgp From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 21:49:01 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: It's the -good- system that had the 2 cards. The -broken- system only has an ethernet card, and video card in it. On 13 Jul 2001 15:41:29 -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ > > change though. > > Also, have you tried pulling the other 'net card? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 13 16:03:08 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Who let Ben out of his cage? :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 21:51:35 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles Message-ID: I'm using the 2.2.18? kernel in that shipped in Debian 2.2 (potato?) I'll check the arp table. I can't remember off hand if I looked there or not. I'll also check for IRQ sharing. Thanks for the suggestions. On 13 Jul 2001 15:40:19 -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > I am using a switch. > > > > I'm using the 3Com 3c905cx card and according to the kernel, that uses > > the 3c59x module, which loads up just fine, so I *think* I'm using the > > correct module for the card. > > You've got a recent kernel, right? The 3c905c driver is still fairly > new.. > > > Did you mean something else wrt 'referencing the right ethernet card?' > > Do you only have one 3com card in the box? That's what I was asking. :) > > Also, do you see IRQ sharing in /proc/interrupts perchance? I've seen it > cause problems before.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 16:08:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > It's the -good- system that had the 2 cards. The -broken- system only has > an ethernet card, and video card in it. eeeK. i cannot read. :) carl's not here to tell me i need more caffeine.. heh. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Jul 13 16:39:33 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office XP virus Message-ID: From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 16:36:24 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ change > > though. > > oh, and do you see anything show up in your ARP table? > > ie: > > $ /sbin/arp > Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface > 192.168.252.100 ether 08:00:20:7F:E7:09 C eth0 Nate -- good advice and lots of it, but ever here of cat? :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jul 13 16:37:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 04:03:08PM -0500 References: <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010713163750.A2903@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 04:03:08PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >Who let Ben out of his cage? :) Eh? I upgraded my os and the /etc/services file was hosed so fetchmail was barfing. Go figure. ergo i didn't get my mail from the account that I'm subscribed from. > >Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 >http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 >They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. >If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a >bad name for their new services. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010713/8395aa8b/attachment.pgp From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Jul 13 17:09:50 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3B4F71AE.5000701@mn.rr.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:16:55PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>Hey I'm in the market for a job. My resume is here: >>http://www.haxxed.com/resume.html >> > > Have you gone mad? Are you really looking for a job? Do you really expect > anyone to hire you because you "Can make a bong out of most anything" > even for a "alf-assed part time job, making just enough money to feed my > growing crack habit without having to do any real work" > > Wow. Sad. > The crack habit didn't bother me as much as the masturbation in the bathroom and rubbing his wang on the customer's equipment. I'd hate to have to go to work and be afraid of touching anything. The stealing was somewhat worrisome also. I agree that his resume is not likely to help him get a job unless it's at The Spark (http://www.thespark.com/). Overall I give him a -1 on the future employee scale, a 7 for humor and a 9 for entertainment value. Ben I wonder if he put the page together using Star Office. SG, O.S.D. -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 12 23:04:04 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The arp table shows (incomplete) in the hwaddress column. Also, changing the broadcast address to 65.165.40.239 didn't help. Dave On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > I have tried swaping around the card. I will try forcing the IRQ change > > though. > > oh, and do you see anything show up in your ARP table? > > ie: > > $ /sbin/arp > Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface > 192.168.252.100 ether 08:00:20:7F:E7:09 C eth0 > > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 17:36:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > The arp table shows (incomplete) in the hwaddress column. > > Also, changing the broadcast address to 65.165.40.239 didn't help. I'd try a new kernel, personally.. Or, got a 3c905b / other brand net card you can test with? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nate at techie.com Fri Jul 13 17:57:56 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office XP virus In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 04:39:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010713175756.D26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 04:39:33PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > >From http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=21757: > "Office XP/Outlook 2002 gets its first virus Wow, you'd think after so many cases of deja vu either: a) Microsoft would stop releasing infectible software. b) Customers would stop using Microsoft. How many more times is it going to take? I know, I know. The world is full of stupid people. They'll die off eventually. WHEN? DAMNIT! WHEN? Nate From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 13 19:01:13 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office XP virus In-Reply-To: <20010713175756.D26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > I know, I know. The world is full of stupid people. They'll die off > eventually. WHEN? DAMNIT! WHEN? Trouble is they breed. And not enough predators. Tasteless to volunteer; more's the pity. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dave at droyer.org Fri Jul 13 01:10:04 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Troubles (fixed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I GOT IT! I went and got an intel card from GNS and popped it in and off it went! Thanks for all your help Nate and everyone! Dave On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, David Royer wrote: > > The arp table shows (incomplete) in the hwaddress column. > > > > Also, changing the broadcast address to 65.165.40.239 didn't help. > > I'd try a new kernel, personally.. > > Or, got a 3c905b / other brand net card you can test with? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 19:37:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS sucks, just like CDDB Message-ID: <20010713193751.F1464@real-time.com> http://www.mail-abuse.org/subscription.html As I have personally sent thousands of open relays to MAPS you'd think there would be some sort compensation or free-use ability. But just like CDDB (which I also submitted hundreds of cds to) they take the communities hardwork and turn it into a profit maker. What are the other choices? I remember seeing a couple of places pickup the old ORBs stuff. Anyone using them? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Fri Jul 13 12:18:34 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting tomorrow - The Dope on Zope Message-ID: <3B4F2D6A.5B9A9AFE@fandre.com> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting When: Saturday July 14th, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: Zope - Presented by Tim Wilson Where: Room 3-180, which is on the ground floor of the EE-CS building on the east bank campus. University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building 200 Union Street SE Minneapolis, MN 55455 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Parking: The Washington Street Ramp is across the street. http://www1.umn.edu/parking/maps/ebcolr.htm Click here for driving directions: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/mqtrip?link=btwn/twn-ddir_na_basic_main&dir=New+Directions&DLL=449744,-932319&ADDR_1=200+UNION+ST+SE&CITY_1=MINNEAPOLIS&STATE_1=MN&ZIP_1=55455-0154&uid=u9c2m4c1qqxbr9qd:z59zyg5rt&CC_1=US Additional info: Zope is the leading Open Source web application server. Zope enables teams to collaborate in the creation and management of dynamic web-based business applications such as intranets and portals. Zope makes it easy to build features such as site search, news, personalization, and e-commerce into your web applications. Tim will be presenting an introduction to Zope ("The Dope On Zope" is my working title) and some demonstrations including basic features and the new "portal in a box" CMF (Content Management Framework). BTW, Tim is also starting a local Zope/Python Users Group and Saturday's meeting will be that group's first meeting. I've created a brief Web page at http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug/ with more information. _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Jul 13 19:39:08 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office XP virus In-Reply-To: <20010713175756.D26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:57:56PM -0500 References: <20010713175756.D26416@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010713193908.A26852@thor> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:57:56PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > > Wow, you'd think after so many cases of deja vu either: > > a) Microsoft would stop releasing infectible software. > b) Customers would stop using Microsoft. > > How many more times is it going to take? > > I know, I know. The world is full of stupid people. They'll die off > eventually. WHEN? DAMNIT! WHEN? > > > Nate I should think that after so many cases of deja vu i.e. Georgi Guninski finding so many exploits in Windows/Hotmail, Microsoft would put a contract out for him (and others). **That** would be security through obscurity... -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Jul 13 19:52:21 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slightly OT: Unix time() Message-ID: <20010713195221.B26852@thor> I was wondering if anyone on the list has heard any rumblings about the unix time() value which is due to switch to 10 digits on September 9. This doesn't apply to linux ( time() was obsoleted in BSD4.3 and has never been used in linux) but I am surprised that *someone* in the press hasn't mentioned it. Am I the only one unemployed enough to read deprecated C libraries? :) -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From spencer at sihope.com Fri Jul 13 19:58:10 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smb Message-ID: <20010713195810.A1113@mudpiefoods.com> I have been battling with the samba server the last two days. It was working just fine and then began to fall apart slowly but surely. From a windows box on logon it would tell you no domain server was available yadda yadda, but it would still give you access to the smb shares. Then it decided to just say no domain server available or you don't have access to the server. So I fiddle and get it somewhat working. I can view the smb shares from a linux with no problem. smbmount no problem. Then after making (I think) no changes the daemon will not stay running. When I do /etc/rc.d/init/smb restart it fails on shutting down and gives ok for starting up. /etc/rc.d/init smb status reveals smbd stopped nmbd stopped So, I decided I didn't like the current system configuration and reload RH7.1. Upon reload the daemons run fine. Change the /etc/samba/smb.conf file and smbadduser and smbpasswd and the thing breaks again. I added to the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file /usr/sbin/smbd -D /usr/sbin/nmbd -D and rebooted. Same scenario. Is it just Friday the 13th or just the broken smb stack? From mike at getbent.net Fri Jul 13 20:32:35 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <0107132032350A.06671@Dingo> Have you tried here? http://www.geeksquad.com/jobs/index.html On Friday 13 July 2001 12:16, you wrote: > Hey I'm in the market for a job. My resume is here: > http://www.haxxed.com/resume.html > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From wilson at visi.com Fri Jul 13 21:13:58 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm not sure who would know this, but I know some of you work at or attend the U. Can anyone say for sure whether I'll be able to plug in my laptop in the meeting room and get on the Internet? Will there be a DHCP server somewhere that will give me an IP address? If that won't be possible, I'll need a different computer to use for the demo because I'd like to show some Zope goodies live. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Fri Jul 13 21:07:54 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010713220754.A32013@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:13:58PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Can anyone say for sure whether I'll be able to plug in my laptop in the > meeting room and get on the Internet? Will there be a DHCP server somewhere > that will give me an IP address? Many lecture halls have tables in front of the chalkboard with a little network hookup. It does DHCP, but you might need to be registered with the correct U computer authorities to get it to work. The math building has a couple rooms like that, and I imagine in the CS building is similar. Some sort of network connectivity could probably be finagled. (I've almost never been in the CS building, so I may be way off on this) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From wilson at visi.com Fri Jul 13 22:23:54 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20010713220754.A32013@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:13:58PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Can anyone say for sure whether I'll be able to plug in my laptop in the > > meeting room and get on the Internet? Will there be a DHCP server somewhere > > that will give me an IP address? > > Many lecture halls have tables in front of the chalkboard with a little > network hookup. It does DHCP, but you might need to be registered with the > correct U computer authorities to get it to work. I plan to get there about half an hour early to deal with any high-tech snafus. I'd be great if someone familiar with the building network was around. (volunteers?) I'm just finishing up my slides now, and I'm looking forward the meeting. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 13 22:35:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <0107132032350A.06671@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 08:32:35PM -0500 References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> <0107132032350A.06671@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010713223543.Q1464@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Nielsen (mike@getbent.net): > > Have you tried here? > > http://www.geeksquad.com/jobs/index.html You can go around installing patches on Window machines all day. Sounds like the ideal job for a linux-type techincal person. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jul 13 23:42:07 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> <3B4F71AE.5000701@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B4FCD9F.9E35B2CC@haxxed.com> > > Have you gone mad? Are you really looking for a job? Do you really expect > > anyone to hire you because you "Can make a bong out of most anything" > > even for a "alf-assed part time job, making just enough money to feed my > > growing crack habit without having to do any real work" > > > > Wow. Sad. No one understands my potato. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 14 01:05:10 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20010713220754.A32013@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:13:58PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Can anyone say for sure whether I'll be able to plug in my laptop in the > > meeting room and get on the Internet? Will there be a DHCP server somewhere > > that will give me an IP address? > > Many lecture halls have tables in front of the chalkboard with a little > network hookup. It does DHCP, but you might need to be registered with the > correct U computer authorities to get it to work. Darn it, I can't make it. I could loan you a PCMCIA NIC that is registered with ADCS (you'd need to have an X.500 ID before you can). > The math building has a couple rooms like that, and I imagine in the CS > building is similar. Some sort of network connectivity could probably be > finagled. The question is whether CS 3-180 is under ADCS or whether CS has it's own DHCP server. Actually, Ben Kochie might know, 'cause the IMA schedules a lot of stuff in 3-180, IIRC. Ben, are you there? Tim, is there a chance that you can put some of this stuff on either mn-linux or tczpug web sites (that you present Sat?) I am very interested in Zope, but the documentation/Web site starts off in buzzword hell and no one has seemingly bothered to say "Here's what Zope does different than CGI and a web server." Sorry if I'm just being dense; I admit my eyes glaze over the first time someone says "object" in anything related to software. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 13 15:10:23 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free XML editor (not Java) Message-ID: <20010713151023.A24527@beaver.iucha.org> Hello! I need a free and usable XML editors. I have seen a bunch on freshmeat but they are written in java and java on the client SUCKS big time. Thanks, florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sat Jul 14 09:01:32 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smb In-Reply-To: <20010713195810.A1113@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 07:58:10PM -0500 References: <20010713195810.A1113@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010714090132.B29062@squall.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 07:58:10PM -0500, spencer wrote: > I have been battling with the samba server the last two days. It was > working just fine and then began to fall apart slowly but surely. From a > windows box on logon it would tell you no domain server was available > yadda yadda, but it would still give you access to the smb shares. Then > it decided to just say no domain server available or you don't have access > to the server. So I fiddle and get it somewhat working. I can view the smb > shares from a linux with no problem. smbmount no problem. Then after > making (I think) no changes the daemon will not stay running. > When I do > /etc/rc.d/init/smb restart > it fails on shutting down and gives ok for starting up. > /etc/rc.d/init smb status reveals > smbd stopped > nmbd stopped > So, I decided I didn't like the current system configuration and reload > RH7.1. Upon reload the daemons run fine. Change the /etc/samba/smb.conf > file and smbadduser and smbpasswd and the thing breaks again. > I added to the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file > /usr/sbin/smbd -D > /usr/sbin/nmbd -D > and rebooted. > Same scenario. Is it just Friday the 13th or just the broken smb stack? I'm guessing you probably found a bug. Have you tried running an strace on it? gdb is also your friend. Also, I'd imagine that the Samba team has a bugtracking system somewhere. Maybe it's a known issue... Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sat Jul 14 09:11:52 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:13:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010714091152.C29062@squall.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:13:58PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm not sure who would know this, but I know some of you work at or attend > the U. > > Can anyone say for sure whether I'll be able to plug in my laptop in the > meeting room and get on the Internet? Will there be a DHCP server somewhere > that will give me an IP address? > > If that won't be possible, I'll need a different computer to use for the > demo because I'd like to show some Zope goodies live. Ok, I've seen a few guesses as to the situation, but I think I may be able to provide more info (although, Ben Kochie works for the IMA, who control 3-180, and would prolly know the most about it). AFAIK, the networking in 3-180 is _not_ tied into the U's DHCP system. I've been out of the loop on the CS building for about a year, though, so that may have changed. I'm sure there will be people there, however, who do have X.500 accounts at the U (I being one) so it maybe possible to get your NIC registered. But I don't know how long it takes to get into their system (they _say_ 24 hours). One thing is for sure, though, there's _no way_ you're going to be able to just walk in and plug into the network and have everything work. Could you imagine if they let anyone just plug into their network and get access? Chaotic network anarchy comes to mind.... If you send me your MAC address right now, though, I could register it just in case, and then we can hope that it's in the system, though we can't necessarily rely on that. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Jul 14 09:47:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <3B4F71AE.5000701@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:09:50PM -0500 References: <3B4F2D07.F34D0D6F@haxxed.com> <20010713155731.D555@minime.sistina.com> <3B4F71AE.5000701@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010714094739.A1358@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:09:50PM -0500, Steve wrote: >Ben I wonder if he put the page together using Star Office. ROFLMAO. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010714/78024004/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sat Jul 14 09:59:15 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. In-Reply-To: <3B4FCD9F.9E35B2CC@haxxed.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Have you gone mad? Are you really looking for a job? Do you > really expect > > > anyone to hire you because you "Can make a bong out of most > > > anything" even for a "alf-assed part time job, making just > > > enough money > to feed my > > > growing crack habit without having to do any real work" > > > > > > Wow. Sad. > > No one understands my potato. praise "BoB", spudboy, maybe you should be looking for a "real" tomato, to pay for all your stuff, instead of a job. a job is not making the most of your slack. A truly slack objective would be "I would like to make more than enough money to feed my growing crack habit with out having to do any real work, preferably I would like someone else to pay for all my stuff." perhaps you don't even understand your own potato? ~j -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO1Bcb/zLBdVJOVNWEQLokwCg25d4hfe+P8pSV18U+TmjKos57MMAnjyE yLQsrzl7dbSrazstnjorYaPU =ZHwg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 14 11:41:42 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slightly OT: Unix time() In-Reply-To: <20010713195221.B26852@thor> References: <20010713195221.B26852@thor> Message-ID: <20010714114142.0ac044c5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has heard any rumblings > about the unix time() value which is due to switch to 10 digits > on September 9. This doesn't apply to linux ( time() was obsoleted > in BSD4.3 and has never been used in linux) but I am surprised > that *someone* in the press hasn't mentioned it. Am I the only > one unemployed enough to read deprecated C libraries? :) Yeah, there have been notices on Slashdot, and I saw an article on BBC online (`Party like it's 999,999,999' or something like that). There have been a few bugs related to it. Some programs assumed a 9-digit number for no good reason. It's a reasonable idea to hype it a bit -- this may or may not have been picked up in Y2K tests. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You never really learn to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ swear until you learn to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) drive. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010714/1f530293/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 14 11:42:53 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> References: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010714114253.6975cd94.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > How much memory do you think VMWare would need? I have been > thinking of getting at least 256MB. Would there be any reason > not to get a new machine with 512MB? Um, since 512MB of SDRAM is about $70 and DDR is approximately $100, no. If you're going with RDRAM, then you have a bigger decision to make. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux is not about fixing / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ old Windows, but opening \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) new doors. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010714/8808114a/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Sat Jul 14 15:49:22 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Tim, is there a chance that you can put some of this stuff on either > mn-linux or tczpug web sites (that you present Sat?) I am very interested > in Zope, but the documentation/Web site starts off in buzzword hell and no > one has seemingly bothered to say "Here's what Zope does different than > CGI and a web server." Sorry if I'm just being dense; I admit my eyes > glaze over the first time someone says "object" in anything related to > software. ;) Phil, I'm working on uploading my presentation now. Unfortunately, it's probably buzzword-compliant. I'll post some other links to Zope-related sites too. -Tim P.S. I think you would have liked the presentation. I made it with vim using the Prosper class for LaTeX. A math guy like you should appreciate that. :-) -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From wilson at visi.com Sat Jul 14 16:55:51 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] July 14th meeting results Message-ID: Hey everyone, Thanks for all the good questions and discussion at today's meeting. That was fun. I've put up a copy of my presentation at the TCZPUG site at http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug/ along with other information about the group (including instructions for subscribing to our mailing list). If anyone would like more information about Zope, here are some relevant links: * Zope.org (http://www.zope.org/) * Zope CMF (http://cmf.zope.org/) * The Zope Book (http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/) * Digital Creations (http://www.digicool.com/) * PythonLabs (http://www.python.org/) * General Zope resources (http://www.zope.org/Resources) and a Zope feature tour (http:/www.zope.org/Tour/ar01.html) Please feel free to ask any more questions about Zope and/or Python. If you're using Zope or Python in an interesting, please let me know so we can add you to the list at the TCZPUG page. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From mend0070 at umn.edu Sat Jul 14 19:54:29 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <200107150054.TAA07258@www7.mail.umn.edu> On or about 14 Jul 2001, Timothy Wilson is alleged to have said: > Phil, > > I'm working on uploading my presentation now. Unfortunately, it's probably > buzzword-compliant. I'll post some other links to Zope-related sites too. Very cool, the Feature Tour is what I was looking for! > P.S. I think you would have liked the presentation. I made it with vim using > the Prosper class for LaTeX. A math guy like you should appreciate that. :-) I do! If you ask me, the world never needed anything but a LaTeX browser in the first place -- HTML reinvented the wheel! :) Looks like you did a nice job, eh? BTW, I saw a bunch of ISD197 school buses at Mendota Days and knew that number looked familiar... ----- "After all is said and done, more is typically said than done." --Dave Cutler From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jul 14 22:22:08 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a job. References: Message-ID: <3B510C60.B641D7EB@haxxed.com> > A truly slack objective would be "I would like to make more than > enough money to feed my growing crack habit with out having to do > any real work, preferably I would like someone else to pay for > all my stuff." You're right! I'm selling myself short! I'll make the corrections immediately... From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 10:54:12 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue Message-ID: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the vertical/horizontal plane? Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly be good UI design? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010715/5dddd9ba/attachment.pgp From foeclan at winternet.com Sun Jul 15 11:06:30 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue References: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B51BF86.20903@winternet.com> Which version do you have? It's not doing it for me with 92 with Slackware and AfterStep. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Mike Hicks wrote: > When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) > scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will > reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the > vertical/horizontal plane? > > Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly > be good UI design? > > From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jul 15 11:09:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:54:12AM -0500 References: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010715110931.A834@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:54:12AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: >When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) >scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will >reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the >vertical/horizontal plane? I think this is a bug in the older mozilla releases. I haven't seen that since 0.9.x started comming out. > >Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly >be good UI design? > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... >/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not >\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. >[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010715/5831a8a7/attachment.pgp From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Sun Jul 15 10:07:02 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010715110702.A2746@lemongecko.org> On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:54:12AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) > scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will > reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the > vertical/horizontal plane? Are you talking about when you click on the scrollbar, which is, say, on the far right, then move it up or down, and then pull the mouse way over to the left? ?re you saying that the scrollbar resets if you pull the mouse too far away to the left or right? I'm using yesterday's build of Mozilla and it doesn't do that. I agree, though, that that behavior is evil, evil, evil. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 11:17:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <3B51BF86.20903@winternet.com> References: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B51BF86.20903@winternet.com> Message-ID: <20010715111738.01642f2d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Michael Vieths wrote: > > Which version do you have? It's not doing it for me with 92 with > Slackware and AfterStep. It's a recent nightly build: 2001071421 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why are they called / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ apartments, when they're \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) all stuck together? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010715/1e859a81/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jul 15 12:05:19 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue References: <20010715105412.74d2939e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B51CD4F.8D86004E@haxxed.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > > When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) > scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will > reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the > vertical/horizontal plane? > > Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly > be good UI design? Might be a act-like-host-OS flag that didn't get set right? From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jul 15 12:20:01 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Message-ID: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> Anyone got any PC100 RAM they want to get rid of? Pricewatch lists 256mb of PC100 for $19, but the $10 s/h charge is what gets me. ;P Anyone have a 128MB stick or two lying around they're willing to sell me for $10 each or something? I need more RAM to cover up AO's shitty coding. ;P Or know a place local that still has PC100 lying around? Heh. I still haven't finished that damn trader thingy. Stupid other things screaming at me to be coded. (Handwriting recognition! Handwriting recognition! Digital cartography!) From dave at droyer.org Sun Jul 15 12:46:27 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. In-Reply-To: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> Message-ID: I think I saw PC100 RAM listed on the board over at GNS on Friday. I don't remember the price, but they usually have that info on theur website (http://www.nanosys1.com). Dave On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Anyone got any PC100 RAM they want to get rid of? Pricewatch lists 256mb > of PC100 for $19, but the $10 s/h charge is what gets me. ;P > > Anyone have a 128MB stick or two lying around they're willing to sell me > for $10 each or something? I need more RAM to cover up AO's shitty > coding. ;P > > Or know a place local that still has PC100 lying around? > > Heh. I still haven't finished that damn trader thingy. Stupid other > things screaming at me to be coded. (Handwriting recognition! > Handwriting recognition! Digital cartography!) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jul 15 13:12:17 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue Message-ID: How about XEmacs with SGML mode? Mike Hicks writes: > When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) > scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will > reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the > vertical/horizontal plane? > > Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly > be good UI design? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 15 13:14:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sprint T1 In-Reply-To: <20010711224717.Q12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Bob Tanner [010711 22:32]: > > > contract that includes the local loop and the cisco 2620 is 934.00 > > Yeah, if your CIR is lower, you could probally find a used 2500 that you > could *easily* deal with. Speaking of which, anyone want to buy a used Cisco 2501? I'm having some problems with IOS (my own stupid fault) but once I have it cleared up I'm willing to sell it. It's got 2 Serial and one AUI (yup, I'll throw in the AUI to 10baseT adapter) and works WONDERS as a T1 router. I was using it as CCNA practice, but it's not really usable for much since it only has 1 ethernet port. If someone's interested, e-mail me off-list. -Brian From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Jul 15 13:15:38 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: <01071211530700.20557@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I am not sure you got what I am doing. I want to have init level 4 > have only one display, and init level 5 have 2. I think to do this you > need to have two entries in init.. unless there is another way. [XKG]DM shouldn't be started from init directly. It's a daemon just like anything else (ftpd, sshd, etc.) and should therefore have a startup script. Now, to start a daemon differently based on runlevel, check the RUNLEVEL environment variable from the startup script. That avoids polluting the inittab and such things. Of course, there's more than One Way, so do what makes sense to you. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 15 13:29:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8326@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.tranmicro.com/memory.htm Near the U of MN on university ave. -----Original Message----- From: David Royer [mailto:dave@droyer.org] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 12:46 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. I think I saw PC100 RAM listed on the board over at GNS on Friday. I don't remember the price, but they usually have that info on theur website (http://www.nanosys1.com). Dave On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Anyone got any PC100 RAM they want to get rid of? Pricewatch lists 256mb > of PC100 for $19, but the $10 s/h charge is what gets me. ;P > > Anyone have a 128MB stick or two lying around they're willing to sell me > for $10 each or something? I need more RAM to cover up AO's shitty > coding. ;P > > Or know a place local that still has PC100 lying around? > > Heh. I still haven't finished that damn trader thingy. Stupid other > things screaming at me to be coded. (Handwriting recognition! > Handwriting recognition! Digital cartography!) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 15 13:31:17 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 01:12:17PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010715133117.E11194@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 01:12:17PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Mike Hicks writes: > > Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly > > be good UI design? > > > How about XEmacs with SGML mode? I could never get used to all the finger twisting you had to do to get anything done in Emacs. I like the dual-modeness of ViM. I rarely have to hit two keys at the same time. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jul 15 13:41:33 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Silly Mozilla issue In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 01:12:17PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010715134133.A5324@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 01:12:17PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: >How about XEmacs with SGML mode? ugh. I think I'm gonna be sick. hehe > >Mike Hicks writes: > >> When did Mozilla on Linux start emulating the (evil! evil! evil!) >> scrollbar behavior of windows where the position of the scrollbar will >> reset after the mouse has wandered a certain number of pixels out of the >> vertical/horizontal plane? >> >> Additionally, does anyone have an explanation of how that could possibly >> be good UI design? >> >> -- >> _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... >> / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not >> \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. >> [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > >-- >Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net >For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels >nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any >powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all >creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that >is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010715/1d8b4468/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Jul 15 14:18:25 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: <20010713010028.B19800@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > As I started to read this, I thought "rant" and "flamebait", but then > the topic turned to .GNU and to tell your the truth, I read Ximians > press release, I thought why? Why -follow- microsoft? Good question -- one I've been asking for the past couple years. Wine and samba and such are fine, because compatibility is a good thing. On the other hand, compatibility and following are separate things. I think it has hindered the usability of both KDE and GNOME that they are both trying to be Windows (or MacOS, or CDE, at varying times). Mac OS X has a wonderful interface because they threw out the standard interface concepts. The original Mac OS did the same thing. The same thing goes for what's behind the GUIs. Microsoft has spent its entire existence trying to copycat ("embrace and extend") good, solid systems, and it has always come up with bastardized, buggy, incompatible versions. Examples: o DOS (bastardized CP/M) o Windows NT (bastardized Unix, somewhere back there) o Active Directory (bastardized LDAP) Sorry for the ranting BTW :) (I consider Ximian in league with Satan at this point, because their entire purpose seems to be to copycat Microsoft (e.g. Evolution, Mono, GNOME BASIC). To respond to JZ, what we need is precisely *not* a Windows replacement, but a *Linux*GUI*.) > I know this is probably flamebait, but I find GNOME -and- KDE both > very good from a user stand point. As do I, but I also see a lot of room for improvement. Lots of inconsistencies are still present in both interfaces. > Anyone care to comment on GNOME vs KDE from an developer prospective? I have to say that although the object-oriented system in GTK+/GNOME is on crack, it's not that difficult to work with. At least, it's no more difficult than having to run all of your code through a preprocessor (Qt's moc) just so that the widget set can handle it. And C is the standard Unix language, for better or for worse. And it's the language that X is written in (which is unfortunate, but that's a different discussion). As always, this is only my opinion. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jul 15 14:22:46 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU References: Message-ID: <3B51ED86.F0BCBD64@haxxed.com> > The same thing goes for what's behind the GUIs. Microsoft has spent its > entire existence trying to copycat ("embrace and extend") good, solid > systems, and it has always come up with bastardized, buggy, incompatible > versions. Examples: > > o DOS (bastardized CP/M) And CP/M bastardized unix. DOS 2.0 actually added back in unix style file handles. And of course hierarchical directories. DOS 1.0 and thus apparently CP/M had a really whacky way of handling file IO... (Couldn't open more than one file at a time or something, IIRC...) > o Windows NT (bastardized Unix, somewhere back there) I heard someone say it was VMS but I think they were on crack. Anyway: Derivative, not Innovative. Yes, I can see how easy it is for MS to get its 'ives confused. From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 14:59:32 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. In-Reply-To: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 12:20:01PM -0500 References: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010715145932.A2950@squall.localdomain> Why PC100? PC133 is fully backward compatible... I've got PC133 running in a machine with a Celeron at 66 MHz FSB. Gabe On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 12:20:01PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Anyone got any PC100 RAM they want to get rid of? Pricewatch lists 256mb > of PC100 for $19, but the $10 s/h charge is what gets me. ;P > > Anyone have a 128MB stick or two lying around they're willing to sell me > for $10 each or something? I need more RAM to cover up AO's shitty > coding. ;P > > Or know a place local that still has PC100 lying around? > > Heh. I still haven't finished that damn trader thingy. Stupid other > things screaming at me to be coded. (Handwriting recognition! > Handwriting recognition! Digital cartography!) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jul 15 15:03:23 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. References: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> <20010715145932.A2950@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B51F70B.31983BCF@haxxed.com> Gabe Turner wrote: > > Why PC100? PC133 is fully backward compatible... I've got PC133 running in > a machine with a Celeron at 66 MHz FSB. Thats not what I've heard. ;P I've heard that Intel BX boards specifically won't work with 133. But nothing really trustworthy either way. And if I can get it for cheaper than 133, all the better. Cuz by the time I build a whole new machine DDR is going to be standard. ;P From dcsherman at qwest.net Sun Jul 15 15:29:01 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: <3B51ED86.F0BCBD64@haxxed.com> References: <3B51ED86.F0BCBD64@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <01071515290100.01974@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 15 July 2001 14:22, thus spake Callum Lerwick: > > o Windows NT (bastardized Unix, somewhere back there) > > I heard someone say it was VMS but I think they were on crack. Actually, NT bastardized IBM's OS/2. Maybe OS/2 bastardized Unix, but I have my doubts. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Uf0QOiMJhTaLf3MRAgvFAJ9YFxNzouxnfxiGfKoAg32yhPdkrQCgmmfm HT52+YqEdQs+ZrwUuFAKVW8= =+lt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scanman at mninter.net Sun Jul 15 15:33:00 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init References: Message-ID: <3B51FDFC.60702@mninter.net> The way I would do it is put a script in /etc/rc.d/rc4.d and /etc/rc.d/rc5.d that edits the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers to 1 or 2 servers. Kevin R. Bullock wrote: >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > >>I am not sure you got what I am doing. I want to have init level 4 >>have only one display, and init level 5 have 2. I think to do this you >>need to have two entries in init.. unless there is another way. >> > >[XKG]DM shouldn't be started from init directly. It's a daemon just like >anything else (ftpd, sshd, etc.) and should therefore have a startup >script. > >Now, to start a daemon differently based on runlevel, check the RUNLEVEL >environment variable from the startup script. That avoids polluting the >inittab and such things. > >Of course, there's more than One Way, so do what makes sense to you. > >Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa >Kevin R. Bullock > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mwagner at mysql.com Sun Jul 15 15:26:16 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla+Zope Timeout Message-ID: <15185.64616.314248.775919@evoq.mwagner.org> Hi, I've been playing with Zope since Tim Wilson's super cool presentation yesterday. However, I've been running into a problem with my Mozilla 0.92. When I'm working with the management interface it seems to just timeout -- eg. things just stop working, and the mozilla progress bar just keeps twirling, as if it's trying to contact the [Z]server. This only happens with Mozilla. While this will be happening, I'll fire-up Netscape 4 (4.77 to be exact), and access the management interface without problem. So it's something with mozilla, the [Z]server is perfect. I'm not doing anything funky here. I just downloaded the latest linux binary version of Zope (2.3.3), installed, and within 30+ seconds of interacting with the management interface, this problem occurs. Does anybody have an idea? I've searched all the Zope docs and the mailing list archive. But have found nothing. :-\ Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From spencer at sihope.com Sun Jul 15 15:38:27 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's Message-ID: <20010715153827.A5046@mudpiefoods.com> I am in need of a usb 802.11 network adapter that likes Linux. I bought a D-Link DWL-120 (may return to BestBuy) and have yet to make it work. The only thing I have found on the internet in regards to a driver that might work is the pegasus driver. However it is for 10/100 baseT. I haven't "really" tried to make it work yet. I have not found any Hardware Compatability lists that even speak of such a device. Has anyone played with 802.11/USB devices under Linux? I found a couple of projects on freshmeat that look promising. Maybe I'm better off just getting pci cards.(but I don't want to). From spudling at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 15:57:56 2001 From: spudling at acm.cs.umn.edu (Hans Umhoefer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. In-Reply-To: <3B51F70B.31983BCF@haxxed.com> References: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> <20010715145932.A2950@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010715155056.009ec580@imap.uwrf.edu> At 03:03 PM 7/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >Gabe Turner wrote: > > > > Why PC100? PC133 is fully backward compatible... I've got PC133 > running in > > a machine with a Celeron at 66 MHz FSB. > >Thats not what I've heard. ;P > >I've heard that Intel BX boards specifically won't work with 133. Hmm. Where did you hear that? I've got a BX chipset with a 256 meg PC133 chip. Seems to work fine. I also have a PC100 chip in there as well but the machine registers all 384 megs. Hans From wilson at visi.com Sun Jul 15 17:32:23 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla+Zope Timeout In-Reply-To: <15185.64616.314248.775919@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Matt Wagner wrote: > When I'm working with the management interface it seems to just > timeout -- eg. things just stop working, and the mozilla progress bar > just keeps twirling, as if it's trying to contact the [Z]server. > > This only happens with Mozilla. While this will be happening, I'll > fire-up Netscape 4 (4.77 to be exact), and access the management > interface without problem. So it's something with mozilla, the > [Z]server is perfect. Hmmm... I don't believe I've ever seen the behavior you're describing. Have you tried the latest daily build of Mozilla? I was using a daily build from about a week ago during the Zope demos. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 15 18:22:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A832A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Most places are selling PC100 for a few dollars more than PC133. Buy the PC133 if your board supports it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Gabe Turner wrote: > > Why PC100? PC133 is fully backward compatible... I've got PC133 running in > a machine with a Celeron at 66 MHz FSB. Thats not what I've heard. ;P I've heard that Intel BX boards specifically won't work with 133. But nothing really trustworthy either way. And if I can get it for cheaper than 133, all the better. Cuz by the time I build a whole new machine DDR is going to be standard. ;P _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 15 18:26:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A832B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I have a brand spanking new 3com 3c460b USB 10/100 adaptor that I bought and never used. $35 and it's yours. I also have a couple of 3com Audreys that I'm willing to part with for $250 each (over $500 new), and they are still new in the box. There are some projects to make linux work on them (they are x86 based), but there is no BIOS. I think I figured out a way to get it to boot linux using the hardware setup code from the original QNX image that was on one of my other ones, I just haven't had a chance to test it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: AAAunderground [mailto:spencer@sihope.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's I am in need of a usb 802.11 network adapter that likes Linux. I bought a D-Link DWL-120 (may return to BestBuy) and have yet to make it work. The only thing I have found on the internet in regards to a driver that might work is the pegasus driver. However it is for 10/100 baseT. I haven't "really" tried to make it work yet. I have not found any Hardware Compatability lists that even speak of such a device. Has anyone played with 802.11/USB devices under Linux? I found a couple of projects on freshmeat that look promising. Maybe I'm better off just getting pci cards.(but I don't want to). _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 15 19:01:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Olympus Turbo MO drive for sale Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A832C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Barely used. You can see it here: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10269283&loc= Comes with 1 disk. Works great with linux. And it's a nice silver color, not medical-device beige. Gimme $150 for it and it's yours. You'll have to come pick it up too. :) Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 15 19:12:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A832D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Let me clarify, the unit is designed to not have a BIOS. The image on the flash sets up the hardware. I made it sound like the units were hosed, which is not the case, they are brand new, in the box. Never opened. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:26 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's I have a brand spanking new 3com 3c460b USB 10/100 adaptor that I bought and never used. $35 and it's yours. I also have a couple of 3com Audreys that I'm willing to part with for $250 each (over $500 new), and they are still new in the box. There are some projects to make linux work on them (they are x86 based), but there is no BIOS. I think I figured out a way to get it to boot linux using the hardware setup code from the original QNX image that was on one of my other ones, I just haven't had a chance to test it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: AAAunderground [mailto:spencer@sihope.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's I am in need of a usb 802.11 network adapter that likes Linux. I bought a D-Link DWL-120 (may return to BestBuy) and have yet to make it work. The only thing I have found on the internet in regards to a driver that might work is the pegasus driver. However it is for 10/100 baseT. I haven't "really" tried to make it work yet. I have not found any Hardware Compatability lists that even speak of such a device. Has anyone played with 802.11/USB devices under Linux? I found a couple of projects on freshmeat that look promising. Maybe I'm better off just getting pci cards.(but I don't want to). _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 15 20:02:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: <01071515290100.01974@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Actually, NT bastardized IBM's OS/2. Maybe OS/2 bastardized Unix, but I > have my doubts. I'm a tad too much on the outside of the OS/2 circle but what I remember from v2 and v3 is that it was more like bastardizing DOS, but since I'm way too young to remember which was first I might be totally off on that. Let the truth be known... OS/2 beat MS to the 32 bit OS by a LONG shot. MS was just pissed when they found out they were actually developing for the competition :-) What REALLY makes me sick is all the people (some of which I work for) are ooohing and ahhhing at this cool "enhanced security" at the workstation level in Windows 2000. I look at it and think "wow... it REALLY took MS 35 years to figure this out?". Sorry all you NT admins, your "New Technology" is 35 years old. It's called UNIX. And it rocks. :-) From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 21:16:49 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Actually, NT bastardized IBM's OS/2. Maybe OS/2 bastardized Unix, but I > > have my doubts. > > I'm a tad too much on the outside of the OS/2 circle but what I remember > from v2 and v3 is that it was more like bastardizing DOS, but since I'm > way too young to remember which was first I might be totally off on > that. Let the truth be known... OS/2 beat MS to the 32 bit OS by a LONG > shot. MS was just pissed when they found out they were actually > developing for the competition :-) First 32-bit OS was VMS, 1976. Dave Cutler was the system architect. He left DEC in 1989 about the time Ken Olsen (president and founder of DEC) retired. Took a job as system architect for Windows NT at Microsoft. I won't go on more about it here -- http://www.rephil.org/ntvms if you want to read a little of my history of the subject. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 15 22:08:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, comments GNOME vs KDE & .NET vs .GNU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > I won't go on more about it here -- http://www.rephil.org/ntvms Should be http://www.rephil.org/vmsnt.html Sorry. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mwagner at mysql.com Sun Jul 15 22:35:25 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla+Zope Timeout In-Reply-To: References: <15185.64616.314248.775919@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <15186.24829.285780.219298@evoq.mwagner.org> Timothy Wilson writes: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Matt Wagner wrote: > > > When I'm working with the management interface it seems to just > > timeout -- eg. things just stop working, and the mozilla progress bar > > just keeps twirling, as if it's trying to contact the [Z]server. > > > > This only happens with Mozilla. While this will be happening, I'll > > fire-up Netscape 4 (4.77 to be exact), and access the management > > interface without problem. So it's something with mozilla, the > > [Z]server is perfect. > > Hmmm... I don't believe I've ever seen the behavior you're describing. Have > you tried the latest daily build of Mozilla? I was using a daily build from > about a week ago during the Zope demos. Weird. I just updated to the latest mozilla build, but still the same thing happens. :( I've also determined that it only occurs when I have two mozilla windows open -- one for the management interface, and one looking at the public side of the Zope site. (note, these won't work for you... firewall) So window #1 is viewing: http://evoq.mwagner.org:8080/testsite/ And window #2 is viewing: http://evoq.mwagner.org:8080/manage And boom, everything concerning Zope will do this timeout thing. Mozilla just spins and spins, never completing the new page request. I can go to other websites, and everything works fine. But I cannot view any 'evoq.mwagner.org:8080' based site (Zope). I have to restart mozilla to access Zope again. I also tried starting two instances of Mozilla (instead of a second child window), but the same thing happens. I *can* have a second child window open, browsing the rest of the net without problems. The problem happens as soon as the second window views my Zope site, with the first window already monkeying inside the Zope management interface. Actually, even just two mozilla windows trying to access just the public side (no management interface monkeying) of the Zope site will cause this. Weird. I think it may have something to do with Mozilla's caching. My cache settings are: Memory Cache: 20000 Disk Cache: 50000 Compare the page in the cache to the page on the network: * Every time I view the page (my selection) o Automatically o Once per session o Never Can you verify that these cache settings work correctly (or incorrectly) for you? What mozilla cache settings do you have? Can anybody else reading this thread verify this phenomenon? Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From mwagner at mysql.com Sun Jul 15 23:13:13 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla+Zope Timeout In-Reply-To: <15186.24829.285780.219298@evoq.mwagner.org> References: <15185.64616.314248.775919@evoq.mwagner.org> <15186.24829.285780.219298@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <15186.27097.371662.781290@evoq.mwagner.org> Matt Wagner writes: > > > > I think it may have something to do with Mozilla's caching. My cache > settings are: > > Memory Cache: 20000 > Disk Cache: 50000 > > Compare the page in the cache to the page on the network: > > * Every time I view the page (my selection) > o Automatically > o Once per session > o Never Setting the cache comparison to 'Automatically' seems to have corrected the problem. If someone else can verify that the 'Every time' cache comparison setting triggers this "timeout problem" for them, I will fill out a bug report for the Mozilla team. Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 16 00:03:01 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? Message-ID: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard replacements require a OS reinstall... http://www.nanosys1.com/services.html I didnt have to with Linux, 98, or NT when I did it. Has anyone had those troubles? Or are they just saying that to cover their asses? Jay -- When you said "HEAVILY FORESTED" it reminded me of an overdue CLEANING BILL ... Don't you SEE? O'Grogan SWALLOWED a VALUABLE COIN COLLECTION and HAD to murder the ONLY MAN who KNEW!! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 16 00:29:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010716002909.T12165@ringworld.org> * Jay Kline [010716 00:09]: > I didnt have to with Linux, 98, or NT when I did it. Has anyone had those > troubles? Or are they just saying that to cover their asses? Ass covering in full force. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From scanman at mninter.net Mon Jul 16 00:44:23 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? References: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <3B527F37.3030905@mninter.net> I've gotten 3 new MoBos with no reinstall.... Jay Kline wrote: >I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard >replacements require a OS reinstall... > >http://www.nanosys1.com/services.html > >I didnt have to with Linux, 98, or NT when I did it. Has anyone had those >troubles? Or are they just saying that to cover their asses? > > >Jay > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 16 00:44:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 X servers, xdm/kdm, and init In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010716004432.U12165@ringworld.org> > [XKG]DM shouldn't be started from init directly. It's a daemon just like > anything else (ftpd, sshd, etc.) and should therefore have a startup > script. The problem being the LSB and RedHat do it via init. Grr. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jul 16 03:55:24 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? References: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <3B52ABFC.5384DA4A@haxxed.com> Jay Kline wrote: > > I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard > replacements require a OS reinstall... > > http://www.nanosys1.com/services.html > > I didnt have to with Linux, 98, or NT when I did it. Has anyone had those > troubles? Or are they just saying that to cover their asses? Linux certainly doesn't need it. But with the tens of reboots it requires to switch a motherboard out from under Win9x, I usually find such a thing a good excuse to just reinstall Win9x from scratch. Keep it running fresh and new. ;P From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 16 07:00:04 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <3B52ABFC.5384DA4A@haxxed.com> Message-ID: > > I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard > > replacements require a OS reinstall... > > > > http://www.nanosys1.com/services.html > > > > I didnt have to with Linux, 98, or NT when I did it. Has anyone had those > > troubles? Or are they just saying that to cover their asses? > > Linux certainly doesn't need it. But with the tens of reboots it > requires to switch a motherboard out from under Win9x, I usually find > such a thing a good excuse to just reinstall Win9x from scratch. Keep it > running fresh and new. ;P Yes, that's the point -- it's a pain in the ass for them to provide support for all the people who can't get past this stage, either because of inexperience or because windoze is a mess. Andy From steveg at transition.com Mon Jul 16 07:52:16 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF7A@postman.transition.com> Nanosys 128MB PC133 SDRAM M-Tec Chips SALE $14.79 Reg. $19.99 -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 12:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. Anyone got any PC100 RAM they want to get rid of? Pricewatch lists 256mb of PC100 for $19, but the $10 s/h charge is what gets me. ;P Anyone have a 128MB stick or two lying around they're willing to sell me for $10 each or something? I need more RAM to cover up AO's shitty coding. ;P Or know a place local that still has PC100 lying around? Heh. I still haven't finished that damn trader thingy. Stupid other things screaming at me to be coded. (Handwriting recognition! Handwriting recognition! Digital cartography!) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 16 09:54:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's In-Reply-To: <20010715153827.A5046@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > I am in need of a usb 802.11 network adapter that likes Linux. I bought a > D-Link DWL-120 (may return to BestBuy) and have yet to make it work. The > only thing I have found on the internet in regards to a driver that might > work is the pegasus driver. However it is for 10/100 baseT. I haven't > "really" tried to make it work yet. I have not found any Hardware > Compatability lists that even speak of such a device. > Has anyone played with 802.11/USB devices under Linux? I found a couple of > projects on freshmeat that look promising. Maybe I'm better off just > getting pci cards.(but I don't want to). I've used: LinkSys USB100TX (Pegasus) NetGear EA101 (Kaweth; took a bit of messing around in the BIOS) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 10:29:43 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <3B52ABFC.5384DA4A@haxxed.com> References: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> <3B52ABFC.5384DA4A@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <01071610294300.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> On Monday 16 July 2001 03:55 am, you wrote: > Jay Kline wrote: > > I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard > > replacements require a OS reinstall... > > If you remove the ide drivers ( and whatever else is specific to that board) prior to shutting down and swapping out the MB, life gets easier. But of coarse, the easiest way is to do: DELTREE C:\WINDOWS /y (I found out at bestbuy the other day that winme does not accept that switch.) -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 10:43:59 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071610435901.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> > LinkSys USB100TX (Pegasus) > NetGear EA101 (Kaweth; took a bit of messing around in the BIOS) Thanks for the input. Now I know it is possible to do what I want to do. Which, incidently is to use a 'compliant' 802.11 device. "I have a brand spanking new 3com 3c460b USB 10/100 adaptor that I bought and never used. $35 and it's yours. I also have a couple of 3com Audreys that I'm willing to part with for $250 each (over $500 new)," I understand bleeding edge, but when it clots...it clots. Maybe you want to trade for a webtv? -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 16 10:24:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <01071610294300.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:29:43AM -0500 References: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> <3B52ABFC.5384DA4A@haxxed.com> <01071610294300.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20010716102426.A32628@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:29:43AM -0500, AAAunderground wrote: > On Monday 16 July 2001 03:55 am, you wrote: > > Jay Kline wrote: > > > I just noticed on GNS web page, they say 99.9% of all motherboard > > > replacements require a OS reinstall... > > > > If you remove the ide drivers ( and whatever else is specific to that board) > prior to shutting down and swapping out the MB, life gets easier. But of > coarse, the easiest way is to do: > DELTREE C:\WINDOWS /y actually "format c: /q/u" does the trick (I've heard that DOS somehow contamines even text files so beware... :)) florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 16 10:37:08 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <01071610294300.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > If you remove the ide drivers ( and whatever else is specific to that board) > prior to shutting down and swapping out the MB, life gets easier. I found it easier to remove all devices from Device Manager, make sure the BIOS "PnP OS" is set to yes, and be sure to have my CDs/floppies in hand. Of course, it helps if you built your system to begin with so you can identify all the hardware in it. The reason being a lot of the PCI bridge stuff changes so you have to re-install all your PCI cards anyway. > DELTREE C:\WINDOWS /y > (I found out at bestbuy the other day that winme does not accept that switch.) rm -rf /mnt/hda1/windows still works from Tom's :-) -Brian From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 11:07:00 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <20010716102426.A32628@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01071600030101.02256@friday.tarsk.com> <01071610294300.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> <20010716102426.A32628@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01071611070002.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> > > actually "format c: /q/u" does the trick Hmmm... the /q is quick and the /u is unconditional; normally not used on the same line. Is this an me thing? The /u switch will ask you for a y/n answer. You can supply a unattened.txt file which will automagically answer yes. It is better than setting forest fires or kicking the dog. > > (I've heard that DOS somehow contamines even text files so beware... :)) > > florin -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 11:08:58 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01071611085803.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> Yeah, but most demo machines don't have a linux partion on them. > rm -rf /mnt/hda1/windows still works from Tom's :-) > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 16 10:49:16 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <01071611070002.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > > actually "format c: /q/u" does the trick > > Hmmm... the /q is quick and the /u is unconditional; normally not used on the > same line. I use them all the time together. Back in the DOS 5 days if you didn't do a /u it would sit there and make the "unformat file" which usually took longer than the actual format of the drive. A /q/u made the quick format even quicker. I've been using that out of habit under Win9x, maybe it's no longer needed. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 16 10:53:30 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? In-Reply-To: <01071611085803.24866@usurper.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > Yeah, but most demo machines don't have a linux partion on them. > You don't need a linux partition... just a bootable floppy -Brian From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Jul 16 11:01:18 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNS - New Motherboard = New OS? Message-ID: The 'quick' (/q) just leaves the data in place, just clears the fat if I remember correctly. Very nice if you don't care about that. I think the GUI 'format' tool for formatting in Win9x will not do uncondiational format. You need to use the DOS 'format' tool (with /u switch) to use the whole disk (without the unformat file). :-/ >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 07/16/01 10:49AM >>> I use them all the time together. Back in the DOS 5 days if you didn't do a /u it would sit there and make the "unformat file" which usually took longer than the actual format of the drive. A /q/u made the quick format even quicker. I've been using that out of habit under Win9x, maybe it's no longer needed. From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Jul 16 11:11:51 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses Message-ID: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> OK, after over a week of enduring that insipid message that tells me to go to AT&Ts web site and repeats on a 30 second cycle I finally got online. Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 16 11:19:56 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Brian Toberman wrote: > OK, after over a week of enduring that insipid message that tells me > to go to AT&Ts web site and repeats on a 30 second cycle I finally > got online. > Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a > Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. If the card supports it, the command: ifconfig eth0 hw ether nn:nn:nn:nn:nn:nn will do it. If you're asking if a virtual interface can have a different MAC address, I don't think it's possible. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jul 16 11:27:46 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3B531602.D4DE7EC2@structural-wood.com> Brian Toberman wrote: > > OK, after over a week of enduring that insipid message that tells me > to go to AT&Ts web site and repeats on a 30 second cycle I finally > got online. > Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a > Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list The Netgear FA311 supports the ability to change the MAC address using ifconfig. I'm not sure about the RT311. Off the top of my head, it's something like... ifconfig hw ether 00:D1:B7:3F:B6:68 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 16 11:30:07 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. > > If the card supports it, the command: > > ifconfig eth0 hw ether nn:nn:nn:nn:nn:nn > > will do it. Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by Ethernet specs? I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to be sacrosanct physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of course this was late 70's or early 80's, and there was no danger of running out of them! I thought changing MAC would carry the possibility that you might end up with very low-level net problems, if you're exposed (i.e., what if you grab someone else's MAC.) I also thought they were issued by a standards body to manufacturers, but it seems I have a little to learn. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jstauffer at spscommerce.com Mon Jul 16 11:23:20 2001 From: jstauffer at spscommerce.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses Message-ID: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B12A@spedi-exchange> > Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a > Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. I don't know about the Netgear, but my Asante router allows me to change its MAC address. o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ ______=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | JStauffer@ | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | SPSCommerce.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|_________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o?o?o o?o?o` 'o?o o?o` -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010716/9c3ab627/attachment.html From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Jul 16 11:39:26 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses Message-ID: <4120017116163926197@black-hole.com> The RT 311 is a standalone router box. From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 16 12:02:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: <4120017116163926197@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:39:26AM -0500 References: <4120017116163926197@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010716120201.B798@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:39:26AM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: >The RT 311 is a standalone router box. Why not plug the router into a cheap PC with two nic's and do NAT if it's connection sharing you want. > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010716/d5510c25/attachment.pgp From steveg at transition.com Mon Jul 16 12:08:11 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3B531F7B.1010803@transition.com> Brian Toberman wrote: > OK, after over a week of enduring that insipid message that tells me > to go to AT&Ts web site and repeats on a 30 second cycle I finally > got online. > Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a > Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. Looks like if you go here: http://www.netgear.com/support_main.asp and have a look at the ISP configuration section, there is a menu where you can configure the box to use the mac address of your pc. That's what it looked like to me anyway. I wonder if you gotta have winders for it to work? > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 16 12:15:52 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: <20010716120201.B798@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 12:02:01PM -0500 References: <4120017116163926197@black-hole.com> <20010716120201.B798@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010716121552.A20044@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 12:02:01PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:39:26AM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > >The RT 311 is a standalone router box. > > Why not plug the router into a cheap PC with two nic's and do NAT if it's > connection sharing you want. Because the router can do that by itself and some people don't want to keep yet another box around... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 16 12:23:54 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010716122354.V12165@ringworld.org> > The question is whether CS 3-180 is under ADCS or whether CS has it's own 3-180 is an IMA network. CSCI has no jurisdiction at that point of who gets on. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jul 16 14:19:46 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query... Kernel Modules Message-ID: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com> Is there a way to have a single System.map file and multiple kernels? I have a couple Kernel's I want to be able to boot into (Test kernels and a couple Safe ones). Each has different modules. How do I point the Kernel to the correct directory that hold's it's particulare modules? I tried compileing the modules with versioning and all the compatibility stuff.... Didn't work. Just wondering if there was a way to have different kernel's pointing to there own special module directory. Maybe some LILO parameters? Would GRUB do it? sim From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Jul 16 14:24:09 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8334@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by > Ethernet specs? > I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to > be sacrosanct physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of > course this was late 70's or early 80's, and there was no > danger of running out of them! Yes, that's true, they are supposed to be unique for every card, but some manufacturers have produced so many cards that they have had to repeat addresses. However, it is sometimes useful to be able to change them. For example, if you have a redundant firewall setup using the HA stuff for linux and one firewall fails and you have to switch over to the other one, you have to change the MAC addresses also to prevent any interruption in network service, at least when using cisco routers. It's also useful for when certain vendors have a software license that looks at the MAC address in your machine to be able to run. When that vendor charges 12 times as much for their NIC's with the new software license file, and you can get by with a $50 replacement NIC and use of the "ifconfig ethX hw ether " commmand, it comes in very useful. You cannot however have two NICs with the same MAC on the same LAN at one time. You've been able to manually change the MAC address in IBM's AS/400 stuff for many years now. Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 16 14:28:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query... Kernel Modules In-Reply-To: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:19:46PM -0500 References: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010716142828.C2110@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:19:46PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: >Is there a way to have a single System.map file and multiple kernels? I >have a couple Kernel's I want to be able to boot into (Test kernels and >a couple Safe ones). Each has different modules. How do I point the >Kernel to the correct directory that hold's it's particulare modules? I >tried compileing the modules with versioning and all the compatibility >stuff.... Didn't work. >Just wondering if there was a way to have different kernel's pointing to >there own special module directory. Maybe some LILO parameters? Would >GRUB do it? I always copy my system.map into the same dir as my kernel like so and never have a problem. /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.6 /boot/System.map-2.4.6 You don't really need the system.map AFAIK, if I omit it entirely nothing seems to care. Only reason I copy it there is out of habit. > >sim > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010716/53fcd1b2/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 16 14:43:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query... Kernel Modules In-Reply-To: <20010716142828.C2110@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:28:28PM -0500 References: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com> <20010716142828.C2110@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010716144332.A25760@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:28:28PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:19:46PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > >Is there a way to have a single System.map file and multiple kernels? I > >have a couple Kernel's I want to be able to boot into (Test kernels and > >a couple Safe ones). Each has different modules. How do I point the > >Kernel to the correct directory that hold's it's particulare modules? I > >tried compileing the modules with versioning and all the compatibility > >stuff.... Didn't work. > >Just wondering if there was a way to have different kernel's pointing to > >there own special module directory. Maybe some LILO parameters? Would > >GRUB do it? > > I always copy my system.map into the same dir as my kernel like so and > never have a problem. > > /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.6 > /boot/System.map-2.4.6 > > You don't really need the system.map AFAIK, if I omit it entirely nothing > seems to care. Only reason I copy it there is out of habit. AFAIK it is only used when you decode an oops. If your kernel doesn't oops... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jul 16 15:14:10 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query... Kernel Modules References: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com> <20010716142828.C2110@minime.sistina.com> <20010716144332.A25760@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B534AE8.EA207B1@eetc.com> Aaaah... So it is the question that is the problem. :-) I am trying to boot several different versions of 2.4.6. They all look into the same directory for kernel modules - /lib/modules/2.4.6. I thought it had something to do with the System.map file. Guess not. So... How do I do it then? What tells the kernel where it's modules are? Florin Iucha wrote: > > >Just wondering if there was a way to have different kernel's pointing to > > >there own special module directory. Maybe some LILO parameters? Would > > >GRUB do it? > > > > I always copy my system.map into the same dir as my kernel like so and > > never have a problem. You mean you have your kernel's inside of a directory inside of /boot? > >/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.6 > > /boot/System.map-2.4.6 This is what I have. The thing is that it supposedly looks for the file System.map. So that System.map file would be useless (supposedly). If It's not in the boot directory it looks in the /usr/src/linux directory. That's what I heard at least. So I always do a symbolic link from that file to System.map. Apparently it's waisted effort... :-) > > You don't really need the system.map AFAIK, if I omit it entirely nothing > > seems to care. Only reason I copy it there is out of habit. > > AFAIK it is only used when you decode an oops. If your kernel doesn't oops... This makes sense... But.... What tells the kernel where it's modules are? sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Jul 16 15:23:29 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8334@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B534D16.D39EFCE7@eetc.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by > > Ethernet specs? > > I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to > > be sacrosanct physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of > > course this was late 70's or early 80's, and there was no > > danger of running out of them! > > Yes, that's true, they are supposed to be unique for every card, but some > manufacturers have produced so many cards that they have had to repeat > addresses. However, it is sometimes useful to be able to change them. For > example, if you have a redundant firewall setup using the HA stuff for linux > and one firewall fails and you have to switch over to the other one, you > have to change the MAC addresses also to prevent any interruption in network > service, at least when using cisco routers. They could also be reusing the MAC addresses from there original cards... The ones that no one in there right mind should be using anymore? That's the only use I've found for a couple OLD ISA cards sitting around (Ya.. I know ISA is still usable. Not these... Trust me). Plug em into an old system. Get the MAC address. Trash the card. Solves your problem. :-) Interesting idea for a recycling business..... sim From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Jul 16 16:48:58 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a lot of software manufacturers that would shit their pants if a card existed that could do this. I'd be able to get Pro/Engineer running on my system for free then. Somehow I don't think PTC would like that, I wouldn't like it either seeing as my company pays $20,000 a year to use the software. Very unsettling to hear this. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MAC addresses On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. > > If the card supports it, the command: > > ifconfig eth0 hw ether nn:nn:nn:nn:nn:nn > > will do it. Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by Ethernet specs? I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to be sacrosanct physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of course this was late 70's or early 80's, and there was no danger of running out of them! I thought changing MAC would carry the possibility that you might end up with very low-level net problems, if you're exposed (i.e., what if you grab someone else's MAC.) I also thought they were issued by a standards body to manufacturers, but it seems I have a little to learn. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Mon Jul 16 17:08:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: ; from labmat@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:48:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010716170805.A10623@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:48:58PM -0500, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. > > There are a lot of software manufacturers that would shit their pants if a > card existed that could do this. I'd be able to get Pro/Engineer running on > my system for free then. Somehow I don't think PTC would like that, I > wouldn't like it either seeing as my company pays $20,000 a year to use the > software. Very unsettling to hear this. You can do this with lots of cards. The ability has been there for years. I remember network card diagnostic programs for DOS that would do this for you. I'm talking about the floppy disk that comes with the network cards. Nate From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Jul 16 17:18:52 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations Message-ID: Dear TCLUGers, Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. Thank you, Troy From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Mon Jul 16 12:59:21 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure you can alter the MAC address. That doesn't exempt you from whatever licensing restrictions are on your software but it does give you bit more control so perhaps you can move it to another NIC without requiring a phone call or whatever your vendor supports. Josh On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > There are a lot of software manufacturers that would shit their pants if a > card existed that could do this. I'd be able to get Pro/Engineer running on > my system for free then. Somehow I don't think PTC would like that, I > wouldn't like it either seeing as my company pays $20,000 a year to use the > software. Very unsettling to hear this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MAC addresses > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. > > > > If the card supports it, the command: > > > > ifconfig eth0 hw ether nn:nn:nn:nn:nn:nn > > > > will do it. > > Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by Ethernet specs? > I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to be sacrosanct > physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of course this was late 70's > or early 80's, and there was no danger of running out of them! > > > I thought changing MAC would carry the possibility that you might end up > with very low-level net problems, if you're exposed (i.e., what if you > grab someone else's MAC.) I also thought they were issued by a standards > body to manufacturers, but it seems I have a little to learn. > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 18:15:19 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's References: Message-ID: <3B537587.5090802@sihope.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > LinkSys USB100TX (Pegasus) > NetGear EA101 (Kaweth; took a bit of messing around in the BIOS) I must admit this is my first time getting a usb device to work in Linux. I can see the output of cat /proc/bus/usb/devices finds my D-Link DWL 120 I used this command mknod /dev/usb/eth2 c 88 0 to initiate the node. -not the proper command I have the acm and pegasus mods loaded. From what I have read, most usb adapters that are 10/100 use the pegasus driver. It seems to me that I am missing a rudimentary process. I can post the output of the /proc/bus/usb/devices if that would help. From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 16 18:34:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's In-Reply-To: <3B537587.5090802@sihope.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Spencer Underground wrote: > I must admit this is my first time getting a usb device to work in > Linux. I can see the output of cat /proc/bus/usb/devices finds my > D-Link DWL 120 I used this command mknod /dev/usb/eth2 c 88 0 to > initiate the node. -not the proper command I have the acm and pegasus > mods loaded. > From what I have read, most usb adapters that are 10/100 use the > pegasus driver. It seems to me that I am missing a rudimentary > process. I can post the output of the /proc/bus/usb/devices if that > would help. Remember, ethX is not real stuff in /dev. You should just be able to do ifconfig ethX, and get a response if you have your USB stuff config'd right. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jul 16 19:53:31 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8334@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B538C8B.62912C9B@haxxed.com> > It's also useful for when certain vendors have a software license that looks > at the MAC address in your machine to be able to run. When that vendor > charges 12 times as much for their NIC's with the new software license file, > and you can get by with a $50 replacement NIC and use of the "ifconfig ethX > hw ether " commmand, it comes in very useful. You cannot however have > two NICs with the same MAC on the same LAN at one time. You've been able to > manually change the MAC address in IBM's AS/400 stuff for many years now. So basically, changing a NIC's MAC is evil, but other people tend to do even more evil, and sometimes you have to fight evil with evil. ;P From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Jul 16 19:53:53 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question Message-ID: I'm trying to create a pretty simple web site in php3 that will use mysql. I want php generate a table of upcoming events, sorted by the date and time field. There are two types of events, which have different fields that I want in the mysql database type a: location, event name, contact type b: person1, person2, email Do I make a big table with (date, time, event type, location, event name, contact, person1, person2, email) and only use the fields appropiate to the event type? Do I make two tables: table a: date, location, event name, contact table b: date, person1, person2, email Then when I want to make a big table of all events do I join them and sort by date / time? Will I need a field in each so I can tell if the data in the merged talbe came from table a or table b ( since php will display them differently)? Thanks, Ben From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jul 16 20:03:28 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: Message-ID: <3B538EE0.AC5AB282@haxxed.com> Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > There are a lot of software manufacturers that would shit their pants if a > card existed that could do this. I'd be able to get Pro/Engineer running on > my system for free then. Somehow I don't think PTC would like that, I > wouldn't like it either seeing as my company pays $20,000 a year to use the > software. Very unsettling to hear this. Running face first into the brick wall of reality is unsettling sometimes. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 16 20:24:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Query... Kernel Modules In-Reply-To: <3B534AE8.EA207B1@eetc.com> References: <3B533E2F.3E9055D3@eetc.com> <20010716142828.C2110@minime.sistina.com> <20010716144332.A25760@beaver.iucha.org> <3B534AE8.EA207B1@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010716202401.19fe6dfc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > This makes sense... But.... > What tells the kernel where it's modules are? depmod. Ever seen your system sit for a while saying `Finding module dependencies' when booting? That's what's going on.. As for System.map, I think it may be important if you want to build third-party modules for the kernel, but I'm not sure. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's not a tuber! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010716/2f66d2d9/attachment.pgp From mike at fruitioninc.com Mon Jul 16 23:19:11 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question References: Message-ID: <021f01c10e77$a1c5dac0$0300000a@anelginanalas> I've seen it done both ways. The first way is arguably the simplest, but the second way to more true to the relational model of data. Adding a event type code to distinguish the two types is not a bad idea either, but not a requirement. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Luey" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question > I'm trying to create a pretty simple web site in php3 that will use mysql. > I want php generate a table of upcoming events, sorted by the date and > time field. There are two types of events, which have different fields > that I want in the mysql database > > type a: location, event name, contact > type b: person1, person2, email > > Do I make a big table with (date, time, event type, location, event name, > contact, person1, person2, email) and only use the fields appropiate to > the event type? > > Do I make two tables: > > table a: date, location, event name, contact > table b: date, person1, person2, email > > Then when I want to make a big table of all events do I join them and sort > by date / time? Will I need a field in each so I can tell if the data in > the merged talbe came from table a or table b ( since php will display > them differently)? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 16 21:38:30 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Netgear's print server is pretty darn good. You can config the think with ftp. :P does lpr and smb printing. Mac to I think? From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Jul 16 21:45:08 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question In-Reply-To: <021f01c10e77$a1c5dac0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: > I've seen it done both ways. The first way is arguably the simplest, > but the second way to more true to the relational model of data. > Adding a event type code to distinguish the two types is not a bad > idea either, but not a requirement. Is it possible to have three databases: One would be the "glue" UniqueID type 1 a 2 b 3 a table a would be 1 info1 info2 3 stuff stuff2 table b would be 2 otherformatted stuff with more fields Then my script could foreach in table glue, if type=a, get id, query table a, do stuff, and if typ=b, get id, query table b, etc. The main problem with this is maintaining the unique id numbers that join these tables. Can I somehow link these tables in mysql so when I add an item in table b, an entry is added to table glue, or do I manually (ie with scripts) need to maintain the syncing of these tables. It is my (naive?) impression that it what a relational database is for, but I can't find info on mysql on linking tables like this. Thanks, Ben From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jul 16 21:52:50 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3B53A882.4020107@talkware.net> http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10159183 I have had good luck with these. They are pretty cheap, they have a web interface, I havent had one fail or lock up, tiny, worked well from windows and linux. I have 2 of the single printer models and one of the 3 printer port models. Troy.A Johnson wrote: >Dear TCLUGers, > >Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. > >Thank you, > >Troy > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Jul 16 21:56:44 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3B53A96C.50400@talkware.net> http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?DPNo=859405 Actually this is the model that I have. Not that other one I posted, sorry. Troy.A Johnson wrote: >Dear TCLUGers, > >Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. > >Thank you, > >Troy > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Mon Jul 16 23:40:27 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's References: Message-ID: <3B53C1BB.90500@sihope.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Spencer Underground wrote: > >> I must admit this is my first time getting a usb device to work in >> Linux. I can see the output of cat /proc/bus/usb/devices finds my >> D-Link DWL 120 I used this command mknod /dev/usb/eth2 c 88 0 to >> initiate the node. -not the proper command I have the acm and pegasus >> mods loaded. >> From what I have read, most usb adapters that are 10/100 use the >> pegasus driver. It seems to me that I am missing a rudimentary >> process. I can post the output of the /proc/bus/usb/devices if that >> would help. > > > Remember, ethX is not real stuff in /dev. > > You should just be able to do ifconfig ethX, and get a response if you > have your USB stuff config'd right. > Thanks. I will just have to fool with it some more. If I don't find a solution with a few hours effort I might just try a different model. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jul 16 23:24:08 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:18:52PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010717062408.P24390@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:18:52PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Dear TCLUGers, > > Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. i-data makes some printservers that are said to be the markets fastest printservers although depending on what you find expensive they might be too much. Buy.com has Easycom Express series from around $130 and up (10mbit and one printer port). I have a few of them myself and they work very well. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jh at sgi.com Tue Jul 17 08:40:31 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dealing w/ qwest and dsl In-Reply-To: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com>; from cargods@anubis.network.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500 References: <200107111735.MAA11976@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010717084031.A15161@sgi.com> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > I'm getting DSL service from Qwest, and have encountered PPPoE for > the first time. I had seen the letters flowing around, but never > paid much attention to them. > > Anybody got sage words about how you connect your Linux boxes to > DSL using PPPoE? > > dsc > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I have DSL from EarthLink, and they use PPPoE. At first, I tried using the PPPoE they supplied (unsupported). It was an old commercial package, and I don't think I ever got it going. After some struggles, I installed RH7.1, which includes the open source PPPoE from Roaring Penguin. This came up very easily. I haven't had any problems with it. It has a startup script in rc.d so it comes up automaticly when I boot, and reconnects if it ever disconnects. John Hesterberg From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 17 08:43:40 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <001e01c10ec6$7d72e600$3028680a@tgt.com> I believe some of the 3Com cards allow you to program the MAC address. I am certain that the Netgear (FA311) card does not. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Toberman" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses > OK, after over a week of enduring that insipid message that tells me > to go to AT&Ts web site and repeats on a 30 second cycle I finally > got online. > Now the question, is there any way to alias a MAC address, I have a > Netgear RT311 that I'd like to run through. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From RStrumbel at popp.com Tue Jul 17 08:46:25 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091263@MERCURY> Ok, how do I change my subscription on this list to the digest mode instead. I "misplaced" the initial mailer-daemon email with the instructs. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 17 08:52:14 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:18:52PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010717085214.A4812@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:18:52PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. Judging by the other answers, I seem to have interpreted your question differently (and in a less OT fashion), as my first thought was, "A low-end Pentium running CUPS." Reliability? Sure, as long as your hardware holds out.[1] Remote management? Oh, yeah. CUPS talks HTTP on port 631 and has a pretty good management interface there, IMO. Bells and whistles? Umm... It accepts jobs and it prints them. What else would you want? [1] Two weeks ago, I had a Cyrix 6x86's[2] mobo die on me. IDE controller went flaky and, while I was troubleshooting that, something else gave out and the board wouldn't even POST any more. When it died, it took a 15G drive with it; fortunately, there wasn't anything on the drive of any significance other than 7 or 8G of mp3s.[2] It was the first half-decent board I'd ever bought. (Or at least that's what I thought at the time.) *sniff* [2] Just to stay topical: I was running CUPS on it until it died. [3] I've re-ripped about a thirf of my CD collection so far and I'm already running out of space on my other systems. Guess I'll have to buy another drive for music. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 08:53:41 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription In-Reply-To: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091263@MERCURY> Message-ID: Strike 1: You misplaced the initial mailer-daemon email Strike 2: You didn't take note of the addresses appended to the end of every e-mail sent to this list: > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Strike 3: You didn't check http://www.mn-linux.org before asking the list. You're out. :P Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From RStrumbel at popp.com Tue Jul 17 08:58:54 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091264@MERCURY> Strike1: yes Strike2: Argue with the ump - Did check the site, and it says NOTHING about changing subscriptions Strike3: That info was probably contained in the lost email: Recursive Overload. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:54 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Change subscription Strike 1: You misplaced the initial mailer-daemon email Strike 2: You didn't take note of the addresses appended to the end of every e-mail sent to this list: > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Strike 3: You didn't check http://www.mn-linux.org before asking the list. You're out. :P Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 17 08:59:47 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Strike 3: You didn't check http://www.mn-linux.org before asking the list. > > You're out. :P Then tell him in private mail. No need to post it to the list. Andy From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jul 17 09:22:32 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: <1572420017116161151813@black-hole.com> <001e01c10ec6$7d72e600$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B544A28.B72A3944@structural-wood.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > I believe some of the 3Com cards allow you to program the MAC address. I am > certain that the Netgear (FA311) card does not. > I'll guarantee that the three FA311's I have access to do allow the MAC address to be changed... > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net Kent From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 17 09:26:45 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription References: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091263@MERCURY> Message-ID: <00a401c10ecc$8295d7e0$3028680a@tgt.com> Why don't you click the link at the bottom of the email? Plonk! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Strumbel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:46 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription > Ok, how do I change my subscription on this list to the digest mode instead. > > I "misplaced" the initial mailer-daemon email with the instructs. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From RStrumbel at popp.com Tue Jul 17 09:47:08 2001 From: RStrumbel at popp.com (Rod Strumbel) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription Message-ID: <1E89DFE70212D5119BAD00A0C9843A03091269@MERCURY> ok thank you all. I have found the error of my ways. Process resolved. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:27 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Change subscription Why don't you click the link at the bottom of the email? Plonk! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Strumbel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:46 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Change subscription > Ok, how do I change my subscription on this list to the digest mode instead. > > I "misplaced" the initial mailer-daemon email with the instructs. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 17 10:39:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20010717085214.A4812@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:18:52PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Does anyone here have recommendations for relatively inexpensive print servers? Values: first reliability, then remote management (ha ha ha), then bells & whistles. Is it just me or is it possible to equate every "I need a cheap dedicated piece of hardware to do...." phrase to "yeah, a 486 running linux will do that and a few other things too"? There are always advantages of buying a print server box (Netgear, HP, whatever) because of the small size and the lessened tendencies of users to try to use it for something. Example... we switched from 486s running DOS print capturing to HP print servers because people tried to sit down and work on the 486 print servers. "Why isn't Windows 95 running? How do I check my e-mail on this? Maybe if I reboot this thing.... hey, why did our printer stop working?" People tend to leave little blinking boxen alone for fear they might break something. In a geeky environment where it's acceptable to run 486 linux boxen for small tasks it's definitely the way to go, though. Hardware cost: probably free (what business doesn't have piles of excess crappy hardware in a closet somewhere?). Software cost: free. Options: well, if it doesn't have the option you want, you can probably find some source or write your own. Remote managment: OpenSSH or the software's own utilities. What sort of network capabilities does CUPS have? Specifically, if I have a Novell 4.11 server farm what are the possiblities of using CUPS as a print server? -Brian From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 17 10:41:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux Message-ID: Hey all, The camera's usually sitting on the USB port on my wife's machine, but she was booted into Linux so I couldn't get images off it. So I tried to get it to work on my (Win2K) laptop. I sepnt about 21 hours looking for drivers and tech specs on this, as it was not working, and then I saw a couple of link for getting it working under Linux. A lot of people have said they got it working on 2.2.18 using the "Sony usb-storage patch". I couldn't find that patch, but I figured I'm using 2.4.6, so maybe it'll just work. And it did! All you do is modprobe usb-storage (or compile it in) and mount -t vfat /dev/sda1! Awesome! It works BETTER than it does under Windows! Don't need any special *cough*gphoto*cough* software to get the images off, either (: Oh, this was all so I could geet this picture of my cat online: http://www.yaron.org/pic/circle.jpg If anyone here's good enough at match to calculate how many twists his spine's doing, let me know. -Yaron -- From drew at usfamily.net Tue Jul 17 05:13:07 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) References: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free gifts if I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not the point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the message there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I was surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it apologized for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010717/51c5659b/drew.vcf From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 17 11:13:38 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Well, you may have been unsubscribed from THAT list, but now they know you have a valid email address, and will sell it to others. It is a dilemma I have been in for a while. Do I keep ignoring the spam I get? Or do I risk the unsubscribe feature? The few times I did "unsubscribe" I received an influx of extra spam for the next month. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Nemchenko Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:13 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free gifts if I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not the point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the message there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I was surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it apologized for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 17 11:18:58 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:13:07AM +0100 References: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010717181858.T24390@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:13:07AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free gifts if > I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not the > point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the message > there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I was > surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but > rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it apologized > for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I > clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed > because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I > was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if > other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. Did these paid4survey.net mail it directly to your account everytime or did the To: seem to be for someone else? Personally I would never try to unsubscribe myself from such a list via a web interface nor an email, since it would be giving them a verified email address they could sell if they wanted to [1]. God luck with being spam free from them. [1] This assumes bad intent from the "spammers", they might not be bad in your case, but the majority probably will. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 17 11:24:48 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Inexpensive Print Servers - Recommendations In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:39:48AM -0500 References: <20010717085214.A4812@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010717112448.F4812@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:39:48AM -0500, Brian wrote: > Is it just me or is it possible to equate every "I need a cheap dedicated > piece of hardware to do...." phrase to "yeah, a 486 running linux will do > that and a few other things too"? Offhand, I can't think of a time that this formula didn't work for me, unless you start talking about situations where the cheap dedicated piece of hardware isn't readily available in a PC-hostable form. (e.g., I've never used a linux box as a printer because they just don't make PCI print drum cards.) In all fairness, though, there are cases where the dedicated solution is so much cheaper and easier than a custom linux setup that it just doesn't make sense to break out the 486 other than for sheer hack value. Tivo, for instance. (But that's really only half an example, given that Tivo runs linux...) > Example... we switched from 486s running DOS print capturing > to HP print servers because people tried to sit down and work on the 486 > print servers. "Why isn't Windows 95 running? How do I check my e-mail > on this? Maybe if I reboot this thing.... hey, why did our printer stop > working?" Wire the reset button to deliver voltage to the user instead of the CPU. Disconnect the mouse or replace it with one that has nice, big shiny metal contacts^Wbuttons to click. The problem will solve itself before long. > What sort of network capabilities does CUPS have? Specifically, if I have > a Novell 4.11 server farm what are the possiblities of using CUPS as a > print server? I know CUPS speaks legacy lpr/lpd protocols and the new Internet Printing Protocol and I'm pretty sure it can take SMB print requests directly without needing samba to translate. Given that, I suspect it's Novell-friendly, but let's see what google says... Huh. Slashdot story that I very vaguely remember, from Oct. '99 at http://www.slashdot.org/articles/99/10/01/1632200.shtml which has a good summary of CUPS in the blurb and a comment mentioning that Novell was involved in developing IPP... Nothing directly relevant and grep doesn't find the word "novell" anywhere in the installed docs. Hmph. From kethry at winternet.com Tue Jul 17 11:30:04 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a problem with being inundated with SPAM for a week or so before finding out something to do - I traced the email back to the access point and sent an email to abuse@. I included the full email along with the headers, and whatever information I used to trace it to that access provider - within a day I stopped receiving 99% of the spam I'd been receiving - most of them were coming from uu.net at that point in time. Liz On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Well, you may have been unsubscribed from THAT list, but now they know you > have a valid email address, and will sell it to others. It is a dilemma I > have been in for a while. Do I keep ignoring the spam I get? Or do I risk > the unsubscribe feature? The few times I did "unsubscribe" I received an > influx of extra spam for the next month. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Nemchenko > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:13 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) > > > Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free > gifts if > I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not > the > point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the > message > there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I > was > surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but > rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it > apologized > for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I > clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un > subscribed > because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that > I > was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if > other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From mike at fruitioninc.com Tue Jul 17 13:32:58 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question References: Message-ID: <026d01c10eee$e77b0910$0300000a@anelginanalas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Luey" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql / php question > > I've seen it done both ways. The first way is arguably the simplest, > > but the second way to more true to the relational model of data. > > Adding a event type code to distinguish the two types is not a bad > > idea either, but not a requirement. > > Is it possible to have three databases: One would be the "glue" I assume you mean three _tables_. > UniqueID type > 1 a > 2 b > 3 a > > table a would be > > 1 info1 info2 > 3 stuff stuff2 > > table b would be > 2 otherformatted stuff with more fields > > > Then my script could foreach in table glue, if type=a, get id, query table > a, do stuff, and if typ=b, get id, query table b, etc. > > The main problem with this is maintaining the unique id numbers that join > these tables. Can I somehow link these tables in mysql so when I add an > item in table b, an entry is added to table glue, or do I manually (ie > with scripts) need to maintain the syncing of these tables. It is my > (naive?) impression that it what a relational database is for, but I can't > find info on mysql on linking tables like this. You could accomplish this with triggers, however I am unsure if MySQL supports triggers. I know MySQL doesn't support foreign key constraints (which would also be useful in this context), because the designers consider data integrity secondary to performance. A trigger is a "SQL" script that gets executed when a insert, update, or delete operation is performed on the table. I put SQL in quotes because the content of the script generally includes proprietary extensions to ANSI SQL, e.g. conditional and flow control constructs like "if" and "while". Mike From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 17 11:30:48 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) References: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <012b01c10edd$d6a98640$3028680a@tgt.com> Chances are that you were sold as data to these people and they are doing it correctly as dictated by law. If you subscribed to a website (i.e. Wells Fargo) and didn't check the option not to be including with this stuff, you essentially signed up for all of these mailing lists. Most of these are not email harvesters and thus you are not confirming your existance by unsubscribing, unlike all those pacific rim spammers. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) > Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free gifts if > I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not the > point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the message > there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I was > surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but > rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it apologized > for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I > clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed > because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I > was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if > other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > From rudie at sihope.com Tue Jul 17 11:27:24 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (Rudie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <20010717181858.T24390@io.stderr.net> References: <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> <20010717181858.T24390@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <01071711272401.01313@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday 17 July 2001 11:18 am, you wrote: > > that is not the point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the > > bottom of the message there is a small link which you can click to get > > removed from their list. I was surprised to see that the link was not to > > a non existing email address but rather to a web site where I chose the > > un subscribe option. Then it apologized for the inconvenience and told me > > that I was removed. Just to double check I clicked on the same link > > again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed because no such > > account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I was able to > > un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if other > > lists were like this then it would not be so bad. > Spamcop.net Off one list, on hundereds of others! I never 'unsubscribe' from spam, even if it seems 'legitimate' Seeing as SPAM is illegal, the spammers already are starting out on an unethical foot, why give them any reason to continue their unethical and illegal behavior? -Kevin Hinze From drew at usfamily.net Tue Jul 17 05:39:39 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) References: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> <20010717181858.T24390@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B5415EB.F0979ED4@usfamily.net> no it was from the same adress every time, and its been about a week and a half and I have not gotten anything from them. Usually I got something from them every couple of days. Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:13:07AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free gifts if > > I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not the > > point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the message > > there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I was > > surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but > > rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it apologized > > for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I > > clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un subscribed > > because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that I > > was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if > > other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. > > Did these paid4survey.net mail it directly to your account everytime or > did the To: seem to be for someone else? > > Personally I would never try to unsubscribe myself from such a list via > a web interface nor an email, since it would be giving them a verified > email address they could sell if they wanted to [1]. > > God luck with being spam free from them. > > [1] This assumes bad intent from the "spammers", they might not be bad > in your case, but the majority probably will. > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010717/ca607bc6/drew.vcf From mwagner at mysql.com Tue Jul 17 11:36:39 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question In-Reply-To: <026d01c10eee$e77b0910$0300000a@anelginanalas> References: <026d01c10eee$e77b0910$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <15188.27031.568396.325440@evoq.mwagner.org> Mike Bresnahan writes: > > > > You could accomplish this with triggers, however I am unsure if MySQL > supports triggers. Not yet. Scheduled for v4.1 (Spring '02). Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 17 11:58:56 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <3B5415EB.F0979ED4@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:39:39AM +0100 References: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> <3B540FB3.69D1A1DD@usfamily.net> <20010717181858.T24390@io.stderr.net> <3B5415EB.F0979ED4@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010717185856.U24390@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > no it was from the same adress every time, and its been about a week and a half and I > have not gotten anything from them. Usually I got something from them every couple of > days. What I meant was, were the mails addressed to you? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 11:57:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1! Awesome! It works BETTER than it does under > Windows! Don't need any special *cough*gphoto*cough* software to get the Yeah! Instead you can pay more than me so you can use a propretary storage format *cough*memory sitck*cough* thats locked down so only sony and 'licensed' people can make media *cough*magic gate*cough*. /me hugs CF. SanDisk CF readers are cheap, use USB, and are excellent in linux. Plus, more than one company makes media, and prices actually fall. And, I didn't have to buy all from one vendor for what I can use my CF media in. Ive personally got products from IBM and Kodak that use CF. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 11:57:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1! Awesome! It works BETTER than it does under > Windows! Don't need any special *cough*gphoto*cough* software to get the Yeah! Instead you can pay more than me so you can use a propretary storage format *cough*memory sitck*cough* thats locked down so only sony and 'licensed' people can make media *cough*magic gate*cough*. /me hugs CF. SanDisk CF readers are cheap, use USB, and are excellent in linux. Plus, more than one company makes media, and prices actually fall. And, I didn't have to buy all from one vendor for what I can use my CF media in. Ive personally got products from IBM and Kodak that use CF. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 12:03:06 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > http://www.yaron.org/pic/circle.jpg OMG what did you do to your cat? :) Ow, no fair making me laugh when my tummy hurts... > And it did! All you do is modprobe usb-storage (or compile it in) and > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1! Awesome! It works BETTER than it does under > Windows! Don't need any special *cough*gphoto*cough* software to get the > images off, either (: Yeah, geting a USB CF reader for my camara was the best thing I ever did. Even better when my girlfriend borrows the camara and only has to plug the reader in. Much better and faster than gphoto or Kodack's software. Mine mounts as /dev/sdd1 though. mmm...scsi hardware. Does your camara use Memory Sticks then? Makes me wonder if USB memory stick readers work (or even the memory stick readers built into computers work) Or one of Sony's more interesting ideas, a usb scroll mouse with a memory stick reader built in. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 17 12:12:07 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > And, I didn't have to buy all from one vendor for what I can use my CF > media in. Ive personally got products from IBM and Kodak that use CF. Hello? I wasn't starting a CF vs Memory Stick thing. I was doing a "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" vs "gphoto " thing. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 17 12:17:34 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <3B5415EB.F0979ED4@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > no it was from the same adress every time, and its been about a week and a half and I > have not gotten anything from them. Usually I got something from them every couple of > days. !PROCMAIL! If I get many of these "legitimate SPAMs" from the same source, I procmail them out. I also procmail out anything that has "undisclosed" anywhere in the to: field. I'm trying to find common threads so I can write better procmail filters that search and destroy "Mortgage rates" and "get your .BIZ" etc without zapping e-mail from some relative who just got a great mortgage rate on her new house and has a .info domain to tell about it. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 17 12:17:33 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:57:41AM -0500 References: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010717191733.V24390@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:57:41AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > /me hugs CF. > > SanDisk CF readers are cheap, use USB, and are excellent in linux. > Plus, more than one company makes media, and prices actually fall. Why not also/instead get a cf2ide adapter? I got one and I intend to play a little with, that and a pc104 motherboard booting of a 32mb CF card, sounds like a fun weekend project! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dhanson2 at uswest.net Tue Jul 17 12:18:58 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) References: Message-ID: <008d01c10ee4$a4749280$eaaf7a81@doug> Try http://spamcop.net . They have a great tracking system that lets you or them report the slimeball to the proper ISP. I use it at work and have taken out hundreds of spammers! I also include the followng statement in my emails: "The following COMMERCIAL UNSOLICITED E-MAIL was received by our company. Please educate your users that this spam and can clog people's mailboxes and subject them to criminal prosecution. In some states, it falls under the definition of illegal faxing without the recipient's permission. (Device having a computer, modem, and printer and capable of printing images. USC 47.5.II.227: Under United States law, it is unlawful "to use any telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement" to any "equipment which has the capacity (A) to transcribe text or images (or both) from an electronic signal received over a regular telephone line onto paper." The law allows individuals to sue the sender of such illegal "junk mail" for $500 per copy. Most states will permit such actions to be filed in Small Claims Court, and YES we have sued many (thanks for the $$$). In some countries, notably England and Norway, it falls under the Criminal Statutes regarding unauthorized alteration of computer data or theft of computer resources. (Theft of access time and disk space.) PLEASE, EDUCATE your Users or cut them off at the phone line! " Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Burke-Scovill" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) > > I had a problem with being inundated with SPAM for a week or so before > finding out something to do - I traced the email back to the access point > and sent an email to abuse@. I included > the full email along with the headers, and whatever information I used to > trace it to that access provider - within a day I stopped receiving 99% of > the spam I'd been receiving - most of them were coming from uu.net at that > point in time. > > Liz > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Well, you may have been unsubscribed from THAT list, but now they know you > > have a valid email address, and will sell it to others. It is a dilemma I > > have been in for a while. Do I keep ignoring the spam I get? Or do I risk > > the unsubscribe feature? The few times I did "unsubscribe" I received an > > influx of extra spam for the next month. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Nemchenko > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:13 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) > > > > > > Lately I've been getting messages from paid4survey.net offering me free > > gifts if > > I take their surveys. I'm not sure how they found me but all of that is not > > the > > point. The point that I'm trying to make is that at the bottom of the > > message > > there is a small link which you can click to get removed from their list. I > > was > > surprised to see that the link was not to a non existing email address but > > rather to a web site where I chose the un subscribe option. Then it > > apologized > > for the inconvenience and told me that I was removed. Just to double check I > > clicked on the same link again, and was told that I could not be un > > subscribed > > because no such account existed. I was so surprised to see a spam list that > > I > > was able to un subscribe from that I just had to write about it. Perhaps if > > other lists were like this then it would not be so bad. > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 17 12:21:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/circle.jpg > OMG what did you do to your cat? :) Ow, no fair making me laugh when my > tummy hurts... I didn't do anything. He does that a lot. This is the first time I managed to get to the camera on time. One tie his feet went LOWER than his head. > mounts as /dev/sdd1 though. mmm...scsi hardware. Well, I don't have any other SCSI disks. > Does your camara use Memory Sticks then? Yup. > Makes me wonder if USB memory stick readers work (or even the memory > stick readers built into computers work) Or one of Sony's more > interesting ideas, a usb scroll mouse with a memory stick reader built > in. I don't see any real reason why they shouldn't work... gimmie one and I'll try (: -Yaron -- From gmcdavid at winternet.com Tue Jul 17 12:29:17 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > !PROCMAIL! > > If I get many of these "legitimate SPAMs" from the same source, I procmail > them out. I also procmail out anything that has "undisclosed" anywhere in > the to: field. I'm trying to find common threads so I can write better > procmail filters that search and destroy "Mortgage rates" and "get your > .BIZ" etc without zapping e-mail from some relative who just got a great > mortgage rate on her new house and has a .info domain to tell about > it. Do your relatives send you msgs bcc? If not, try something like :0 * ^Subject:.*Mortgage * !^TOgmcdavid@winternet\.com /dev/null !^TO will prevent anything that is To or cc'd to you from being trashed. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Jul 17 12:36:30 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question Message-ID: In case things screw up on you (or you do it to them, whichever ;-) you might want to include some extra ids in your tables, and make them 'auto_increment' and 'primary key' fields, so when it is time to "adjust" (or delete) the data, you control exactly what you're changing: table: events ------------- id type common_item -- ---- ----------- 1 a common1 2 b common2 3 a common3 4 b common4 table: a_events --------------- id event_id info1 info2 -- -------- ----- ----- 1 1 stuff1 stuff2 2 3 stuff3 stuff4 table: b_events --------------- id event_id other1 other2 other3 -- -------- ------ ------ ------ 1 2 junk1 junk2 junk3 2 4 data1 data2 data3 I don't know which way will work best for you but it may be helpful to know you can probably go back and forth with relative ease. Good luck, Troy >>> lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu 07/16/01 09:45PM >>> > I've seen it done both ways. The first way is arguably the simplest, > but the second way to more true to the relational model of data. > Adding a event type code to distinguish the two types is not a bad > idea either, but not a requirement. Is it possible to have three databases: One would be the "glue" UniqueID type 1 a 2 b 3 a table a would be 1 info1 info2 3 stuff stuff2 table b would be 2 otherformatted stuff with more fields Then my script could foreach in table glue, if type=a, get id, query table a, do stuff, and if typ=b, get id, query table b, etc. The main problem with this is maintaining the unique id numbers that join these tables. Can I somehow link these tables in mysql so when I add an item in table b, an entry is added to table glue, or do I manually (ie with scripts) need to maintain the syncing of these tables. It is my (naive?) impression that it what a relational database is for, but I can't find info on mysql on linking tables like this. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jul 17 13:13:41 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless communities Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8345@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2001/wifi_freenets.html Are there any of these that anyone knows of in the Twin cities? jay From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 17 14:15:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Signing a cert requwst with OpenSSL Message-ID: Hey, I know how to make a signing key with OpenSSL, and how to create a self-signed certificate with OpenSSL. This works fine for Apache which doesn't generate it's own certificate request. But when I do have a .csr file, how do I sign it with OpenSSL? Anyone know? -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 14:30:43 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Signing a cert requwst with OpenSSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Yaron wrote: > But when I do have a .csr file, how do I sign it with OpenSSL? Anyone > know? openssl x509 -req -days -in file.csr -signkey file.key -out cert.crt -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 14:38:28 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decent SPAM? (OT) In-Reply-To: <008d01c10ee4$a4749280$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Anytime I have to give my e-mail now days I use the recipient_delimiter feature of postfix. The default is +. (See my From address) Should someone come by harvesting addresses I can at least figure out where they got the address from in the first place (if they show my e-mail address instead of doing bcc or whatever.) On the down side, not every webform allows the + in an e-mail address (bastards, damn you!) In that case, they get sent to one of the @ringworld.org black hole addresses: blackhole: |"dd of=/dev/null" Well, it kinda works. After that, procmail filters and lots of them. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services. From amy at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 14:56:51 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes Message-ID: <20010717145651.D1669@real-time.com> Any of you used the samba server provided with vmware 2.0? i'm trying to get it setup. my linux box can see the shares but the vmware/win2k box can't. the vmnet address vmware assigned to the samba server is 192.168.50.1 [root@coug smb]# smbclient -L 192.168.50.1 added interface ip=192.168.25.37 bcast=192.168.25.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 added interface ip=192.168.50.1 bcast=192.168.50.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Password: Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.0.6] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- HostFS Disk VMware host filesystem public Disk Public IPC$ IPC IPC Service (VMware host) atebbe Disk Home directories Server Comment --------- ------- COUG VMware host Workgroup Master --------- ------- WORKGROUP COUG but from windows box i try this from dos: net view \\192.168.50.1 ...and i get System Error 53 occurred. The network path not found. I've been going through the test steps in the samba diagnosis.txt file... Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 17 15:03:13 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: <20010717145651.D1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: The few times I worked with the smb server that came with VMWare, I was not impressed. I dont know what they did to it, but I would recommend not using it, and instead using a real samba install. It seems to work better. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes Any of you used the samba server provided with vmware 2.0? i'm trying to get it setup. my linux box can see the shares but the vmware/win2k box can't. the vmnet address vmware assigned to the samba server is 192.168.50.1 [root@coug smb]# smbclient -L 192.168.50.1 added interface ip=192.168.25.37 bcast=192.168.25.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 added interface ip=192.168.50.1 bcast=192.168.50.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Password: Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.0.6] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- HostFS Disk VMware host filesystem public Disk Public IPC$ IPC IPC Service (VMware host) atebbe Disk Home directories Server Comment --------- ------- COUG VMware host Workgroup Master --------- ------- WORKGROUP COUG but from windows box i try this from dos: net view \\192.168.50.1 ...and i get System Error 53 occurred. The network path not found. I've been going through the test steps in the samba diagnosis.txt file... Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Jul 17 15:15:21 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I second that. It seems to be very cantankerous. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline |Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:03 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes | | |The few times I worked with the smb server that came with VMWare, I was not |impressed. I dont know what they did to it, but I would recommend |not using |it, and instead using a real samba install. It seems to work better. | |Jay | |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner |Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:57 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes | | |Any of you used the samba server provided with vmware 2.0? i'm trying to |get |it setup. my linux box can see the shares but the vmware/win2k box can't. |the vmnet address vmware assigned to the samba server is 192.168.50.1 |[root@coug smb]# smbclient -L 192.168.50.1 |added interface ip=192.168.25.37 bcast=192.168.25.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 |added interface ip=192.168.50.1 bcast=192.168.50.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 |Password: |Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.0.6] | | Sharename Type Comment | --------- ---- ------- | HostFS Disk VMware host filesystem | public Disk Public | IPC$ IPC IPC Service (VMware host) | atebbe Disk Home directories | | Server Comment | --------- ------- | COUG VMware host | | Workgroup Master | --------- ------- | WORKGROUP COUG | | |but from windows box i try this from dos: | |net view \\192.168.50.1 | |...and i get System Error 53 occurred. The network path not found. | | |I've been going through the test steps in the samba diagnosis.txt file... | |Any ideas? | |-- |Amy Tanner |amy@real-time.com |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 15:26:26 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: <20010717145651.D1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: And a third! The only advantage I see to VMWares server is that they configure it for you. But really, samba isn't hard to configure until you start playing with domains and stuff. Even then...well... :) Since I'm on a Win2K domain I have the samba on my workstation joined to the domain, and when I connect to the host machine via vmware it doesn't ask for passwords or anything as I'm logged into the domain in the VMware session. Slick overall. You could do the samw with samba as your domain controller, but it should work just fine if you set samba's security to share. You won't be asked for a password, so you may want to go security=user and use smbpasswd to create your samba users. Then just map a drive, have windows remember your password, and you're good to go. You don't even have to get it to use plaintext passwords as VM Ware tools suggests. I tried VMWare's samba server once, and decided it wasn't worth it as samba was allready setup. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From amy at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 15:34:27 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:26:26PM -0500 References: <20010717145651.D1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010717153427.E1669@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:26:26PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > And a third! The only advantage I see to VMWares server is that they > configure it for you. But really, samba isn't hard to configure until you > start playing with domains and stuff. Even then...well... :) OK, I setup samba and disabled vmware's samba. Can connect to samba server from linux box, but when I try it from vmware/win2k box, it fails with The account is not authorized to login from this station smb.log shows this: [2001/07/17 15:25:35, 1] lib/util_sock.c:client_name(1012) Gethostbyaddr failed for 192.168.25.39 What do I need to do? Thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 15:41:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? Message-ID: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> dumb question: which slackware package has logrotate? their website is non-helpful; and google searches less so. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 17 15:55:42 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? In-Reply-To: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:41:13PM -0500 References: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010717155542.A22706@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> There should be a pkgxxxx command that tell you. Unfortunately I don't have access to a Salck box, ATM, but pkginfo (or pkg_info?) comes to mind... Gabe On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:41:13PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > dumb question: > which slackware package has logrotate? their website is non-helpful; and > google searches less so. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 16:21:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? In-Reply-To: <20010717155542.A22706@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:55:42PM -0500 References: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> <20010717155542.A22706@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010717162106.C11617@real-time.com> > There should be a pkgxxxx command that tell you. Unfortunately I don't > have access to a Salck box, ATM, but pkginfo (or pkg_info?) comes to > mind... thing is, I'm trying to find a package to install; not find which installed package has it. :) the box is too tiny to have a compiler; need a prebuilt slack 7.1 binary. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From rob at tatsumaki.org Tue Jul 17 16:20:14 2001 From: rob at tatsumaki.org (Rob Bajorek) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? In-Reply-To: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:41:13PM -0500 References: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010717162014.A22224@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Thus spake Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > dumb question: > which slackware package has logrotate? their website is non-helpful; and > google searches less so. > Information on installed packages is in /var/log/packages. There is a file corresponding to the package name that lists all of the package's files. If you want to know if something is part of the standard distribution, look in the MANIFEST.gz file in the slakware/ directory on a mirror site. It lists all the files and what packages they are in. And AFAIK, there is no logrotate in slackware, at least in 7.1 & 8. I looked around and could not find it, nor do I see my own logs being rotated. Rob From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 17 16:22:40 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: <20010717153427.E1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: > smb.log shows this: > > [2001/07/17 15:25:35, 1] lib/util_sock.c:client_name(1012) > Gethostbyaddr failed for 192.168.25.39 Put an entry for 192.168.25.39 in /etc/hosts or setup reverse dns or lmhosts or wins it looks like... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 16:25:22 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: <20010717191733.V24390@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 07:17:33PM +0200 References: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> <20010717191733.V24390@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010717162522.D11617@real-time.com> > Why not also/instead get a cf2ide adapter? I got one and I intend to > play a little with, that and a pc104 motherboard booting of a 32mb CF > card, sounds like a fun weekend project! where do you get one of these adapters? is there a version that mounts in a 3.5" drive bay? ought to beat the crap out of floppies. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 16:27:56 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? In-Reply-To: <20010717162014.A22224@madoka.tatsumaki.org>; from rob@tatsumaki.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:20:14PM -0500 References: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> <20010717162014.A22224@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Message-ID: <20010717162756.E11617@real-time.com> > And AFAIK, there is no logrotate in slackware, at least in 7.1 & 8. I looked > around and could not find it, nor do I see my own logs being rotated. do they expect you to rotate logs by hand, or compile logrotate yourself, or what? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Tue Jul 17 16:29:22 2001 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: Samba Problem I get error "The tag is invalid" Message-ID: I get the error "The tag is invalid" when I try to open the NT user manager now that I have upgraded to Samba 2.2.1 on a Redhat 7.0 Box. Samba is configured as a PDC and everything worked until I upgraded Samba. I have searched the news groups and there are other people with the same problem but no one has a solution. This is a pretty big problem for me because on a member server in the domain I have Exchange server running and I cant add users to exchange because I cant get a list of users on the domain now I only get this error. Thank you for you help. Forrest Dickinson From blayer at qwest.net Tue Jul 17 16:35:06 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware newbie question -- which package has logrotate? In-Reply-To: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> References: <20010717154113.B8552@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010717163506.35f70311.blayer@qwest.net> Carl, I have never seen logrotate as part of Slackware - but I found the source and built you a binary on my 7.1 box. (I'll send it as a sep mail, I don't think the list needs it - 2 files, binary & manpage) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 17 16:47:26 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony USB Camera (DSC S70) and linux In-Reply-To: <20010717162522.D11617@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:25:22PM -0500 References: <20010717115741.G12165@ringworld.org> <20010717191733.V24390@io.stderr.net> <20010717162522.D11617@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010717234725.A45212@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:25:22PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Why not also/instead get a cf2ide adapter? I got one and I intend to > > play a little with, that and a pc104 motherboard booting of a 32mb CF > > card, sounds like a fun weekend project! > > where do you get one of these adapters? is there a version that mounts in a > 3.5" drive bay? > ought to beat the crap out of floppies. :) I had a hard time actually finding a place that would respond to my queries. What I would have liked: (I like the eject button) What I ended up with: Since they were they only ones that responded to my inquiries and had a resonable price. There's no version that would let you mount it in a bay, but it should be pretty easy modyfing maybe an old 3.5" drive to fit it in. Pricing: around $20/piece (+some shipping), but they didn't accept CC's, so I had to transfer money to their account in Germany. There is some electronics place online here in the states that sell them (CFII version only though), but I can't remember their name and it's quite horrible searching for it (loads of hits on "compact flash ide" on google). Ah, there it was: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/Fcfa.html -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blayer at qwest.net Tue Jul 17 17:07:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trade CD-ROM for Modem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010717170747.145d3e0a.blayer@qwest.net> I need an internal ISA hardware modem, 33.6 is fine. Have 12X IDE CD-ROM drive to trade, or cash. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 17 17:19:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trade CD-ROM for Modem? In-Reply-To: <20010717170747.145d3e0a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: I think I can help you out. e-mail phil@rephil.org if you want, and in the meantime I'll see exactly what I have. On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > I need an internal ISA hardware modem, 33.6 is fine. > > Have 12X IDE CD-ROM drive to trade, or cash. > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mccloud at wiredhot.net Tue Jul 17 17:31:33 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test Message-ID: <3B547675.27486.18A320FC@localhost> From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jul 17 17:34:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> apt-get install ssh doesn't work. It says it requires libssl09 and there is no such package which contains libssl09. apt-get install openssh doesn't work either. Is there something I need to add to my sources.list file, or a different package I need? Jay From nate at techie.com Tue Jul 17 17:41:04 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:34:56PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010717174104.B25432@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:34:56PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > apt-get install ssh doesn't work. It says it requires libssl09 and there is > no such package which contains libssl09. I haven't had the problem in months. Did you do an `apt-get update` first? Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jul 17 17:43:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: <3B547675.27486.18A320FC@localhost>; from mccloud@wiredhot.net on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:31:33PM -0500 References: <3B547675.27486.18A320FC@localhost> Message-ID: <20010717174335.B628@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:31:33PM -0500, Bob McCloud wrote: How tacky it is to send mail to a mailing list to test your mail setup. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010717/20d86693/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Jul 17 17:44:46 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:34:56PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:34:56PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >apt-get install ssh doesn't work. It says it requires libssl09 and there is >no such package which contains libssl09. go to http://www.gentoo.org/ download 1.0-rc5 iso and install gentoo. All your apt-get troubles will go away. You can use portage to install new apps. My days of debian are done. > >apt-get install openssh doesn't work either. Is there something I need to >add to my sources.list file, or a different package I need? > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010717/31d58c4f/attachment.pgp From eng at pinenet.com Tue Jul 17 17:50:23 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux Message-ID: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> The leap into Linux from MSWindows is daunting. The family computer is not an available option for most eager learners. A second computer using Linux (possibly double boot) is now affordable for many. With MSWindows Home Networking it is easy and cheap to add this second (Linux) home computer to the internet. The MSWindows box requires Windows98SE or above (we use ME) for use as the "gateway" TCP/IP, DHCP network server. It works great. Instead of this hook-up most Linux experts suggest using the Linux machine for the "gateway." When you know what you're doing that is great. But most families won't try this experiment with their home system. So Linux goes untried by too many kids. Linux is not the first OS kids learn. Simplifying the steps to begin learning Linux is important. So I suggest adding a Linux box to an MSWindows network. This is the opposite of adding MSWindows boxes to a Linux network as most experts now suggest. Linux is the best OS. Let's share it. "An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing." From dave at droyer.org Tue Jul 17 18:12:17 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <20010717174104.B25432@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I just checked my new install of woody and I've got libssl09 provided by the libssl0.9.6 package. Dave On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:34:56PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > apt-get install ssh doesn't work. It says it requires libssl09 and there is > > no such package which contains libssl09. > > I haven't had the problem in months. Did you do an `apt-get update` > first? > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 17 18:44:29 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: <20010717174335.B628@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:43:35PM -0500 References: <3B547675.27486.18A320FC@localhost> <20010717174335.B628@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010717184428.A15568@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:43:35PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:31:33PM -0500, Bob McCloud wrote: > > How tacky it is to send mail to a mailing list to test your mail setup. > Right. Next time, send mail to Ben directly :) florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 17 18:47:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux In-Reply-To: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net>; from eng@pinenet.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:50:23PM +0000 References: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010717184711.B15568@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:50:23PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > The leap into Linux from MSWindows is daunting. The family computer is > not an available option for most eager learners. A second computer using > Linux (possibly double boot) is now affordable for many. > > With MSWindows Home Networking it is easy and cheap to add this second > (Linux) home computer to the internet. The MSWindows box requires > Windows98SE or above (we use ME) for use as the "gateway" TCP/IP, DHCP > network server. It works great. > > Instead of this hook-up most Linux experts suggest using the Linux > machine for the "gateway." When you know what you're doing that is great. > But most families won't try this experiment with their home system. So > Linux goes untried by too many kids. > > Linux is not the first OS kids learn. Simplifying the steps to begin > learning Linux is important. So I suggest adding a Linux box to an > MSWindows network. This is the opposite of adding MSWindows boxes to a > Linux network as most experts now suggest. > > Linux is the best OS. Let's share it. And the digest of this message is... ? Maybe it's too late in the afternoon. florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 18:47:48 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare - or - Win4Lin In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:36:12PM -0500 References: <200107131653.LAA04492@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010717184748.E18851@real-time.com> > Depends how many sessions of VMWare you'd want. I generally "budget" > 128mb/session, plus 256mb for the base system.. (but I'm also a fairly > heavy user). I usually allocate 64MB/ea for mine; and commonly have 3 sessions (2 linux, 1 win98) spinning away simultaneously on my PIII/600/256MB here at work. I'm really impressed by the memory management; and the one time I really looked at it, I saw all 3 machines (mostly idle) only taking 16MB of actual RAM ea. mind you, it made a *big* difference when I went from a stock RH 2.2.14 kernel to a 2.2.18. CPU usage dropped, and it freed virtual memory *much* better. on a side note, the windows login dialog box will *peg* the CPU. ;> part of this may be that windows hasn't loaded the VMWare utilities; but there's more CPU usage than can be explained by that, I think. :) testing stuff out in VMWare has saved my butt a couple of times; buggy bleeding-edge kernel modules, buggy scripts that delete every file accessed within the last day... if they shoot my VM down, all I have to do is grab last night's backup. :) single biggest piece of VMWare advice: once you set up your Windows session as you want it; shut down and tar.bz2 the contents of that VMWare directory. end up as a few-hundred MB file. save that thing until Windows shoots itself in the head; then blow away the broken copy of Windows and restore the bz2'ed backup. hmmm, since VMWare always shows the same virtual hardware, I wonder if this could be used to circumvent WinXP copy protection... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 17 19:05:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010715155056.009ec580@imap.uwrf.edu>; from spudling@acm.cs.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 03:57:56PM -0500 References: <3B51D0C1.A8781BBD@haxxed.com> <20010715145932.A2950@squall.localdomain> <3B51F70B.31983BCF@haxxed.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010715155056.009ec580@imap.uwrf.edu> Message-ID: <20010717190506.F18851@real-time.com> > Hmm. Where did you hear that? I've got a BX chipset with a 256 meg PC133 > chip. Seems to work fine. I also have a PC100 chip in there as well but the > machine registers all 384 megs. our mailserver here requires PC100. We tried upgrading it with PC133, and it refused to POST. Dunno what chipset it has. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Jul 17 13:51:12 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless communities In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8345@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2001/wifi_freenets.html > > Are there any of these that anyone knows of in the Twin cities? I have not heard of any around here... I know Little Falls, MN has commercial wireless internet access, set up in a similar fassion... Now all we need is some technology to switch mobile devices from station to station - like "Cell Sites" - then we'd really be set. Each person would buy a device like that for their own use, and inadvertantly expand the coverage area for everyone else at the same time... There would be lots of details to work out, but it should scale pretty well... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > mind you, it made a *big* difference when I went from a stock RH > 2.2.14 kernel to a 2.2.18. CPU usage dropped, and it freed virtual > memory *much* better. I noticed a great increase in performance going from 2.2.12 to 2.2.17pre6 or higher. It seems that somewhere around 2.2.15 someone made some fairly important fixes in the time-sharing scheduler, but that's just a guess on my part. Does anyone follow that stuff closely enough to have a fairly authoritative explanation? (I'm talking about thing like BogoMIPS double on the same machine.) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Jul 17 20:10:00 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: MAC address Message-ID: <31322200173181100859@black-hole.com> Thanks guys it worked like a charm. went in though the managment port using a VT100 console From john at mn.mediaone.net Tue Jul 17 19:43:32 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network Message-ID: I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? TIA John Miller From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 17 20:59:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. What netmask? Give the output of "ifconfig eth0" here: Given the IP# of another host on the network, presumably attached to the same hub... Let's use, for example, 192.168.0.1 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 17 21:13:23 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config Message-ID: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Aside from the insecurities inherited in the FTP protocol, I would like to set up a secure FTP server in the styling of an ISP. That is to say, when someone ftp's to the server, all they have access to is their home directory. I dont even want them to be able to browse the filesystem. (consider it like several anonymous ftp users) I have a few thoughts, but would like a bit more enlightenment on this issue. First, is it possible to do some sort of chroot'd environment for individual users? I know wu-ftp dosnt exactly support this, but I have heard too many stories about wu being insecure. Does proFTPd support this? Second, what is the bare minimum commands needed for FTP? And by this I mean what goes into the ftp structure. When I FTP to some anonymous servers, there are these directories: bin/ etc/ lib/ pub/ and they are all empty execpt lib, which contains things like ld, libc, libnsl, libnss_files, and libtermcap I thought you had to have things like ls and cd in bin for it to work.. could I get away without having these libraries also? My last question is about virtual users. I would like the ability to have users log into the FTP service, but not be in the system user base. I know some servers support this, but I dont know which ones, and I want to know how the permissions work for this. Can a virtual user be the owner of something? Thats all for now, I am sure I will think of more questions later Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 17 22:13:09 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:44:46PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010717221309.B4866@squall.localdomain> > go to http://www.gentoo.org/ download 1.0-rc5 iso and install gentoo. All > your apt-get troubles will go away. You can use portage to install new > apps. My days of debian are done. Oh no.... I can already smell the holy war a'brewin'. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 17 22:40:03 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > First, is it possible to do some sort of chroot'd environment for individual > users? I know wu-ftp dosnt exactly support this, but I have heard too many > stories about wu being insecure. Does proFTPd support this? ProFTPd certainly supports this. I think it handles everything you mentioned. It's got good docs too. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 17 23:31:39 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <20010717221309.B4866@squall.localdomain> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com> <20010717221309.B4866@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <01071723313906.11183@friday.tarsk.com> On Tuesday 17 July 2001 10:13 PM, you wrote: > > Oh no.... I can already smell the holy war a'brewin'. The *TRUE* reasons behind the holy war: RedHat: Sucks because they dropped support for the RedNeck language Mandrake: Sucks because they use RedHat Slackware: Sucks because their web site has no color Gentoo: Sucks because the font on their web site is too small to read Debian: Sucks because they cant afford a real logo: they just used a crayon (and their mascot is a potato) TurboLinux: Sucks because their penguin is "messed up" Think these reasons are weird? You should hear why users like Windows -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Jul 18 00:15:42 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question (elegant solution?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. I think for my purposes, I'll just make a large table that has fields for everything. But I was thinking about a more scalable solution: Make unique id for both table a and table be with an auto increment numerical field, but with talbe b starting at some very large value. Maintain two tables with the two types of events. Generate the third table that links them as needed by joining the two table by their unique id and then making a second field "table" have a if the id is 0-10000 and "b" if the id is 50000-60000 (or whatever the numbers are). When I want to access both tables, I can just query all in the generated table and if table=a, do something and if table=b do something else for each entry. Ideally, I guess the linking table would contain fields that table a and table b share (like time and date) but I think this would work without too much extra scripting on the query side. Ben On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > In case things screw up on you (or you do it to them, > whichever ;-) you might want to include some extra > ids in your tables, and make them 'auto_increment' > and 'primary key' fields, so when it is time to > "adjust" (or delete) the data, you control exactly > what you're changing: > > table: events > ------------- > id type common_item > -- ---- ----------- > 1 a common1 > 2 b common2 > 3 a common3 > 4 b common4 > > table: a_events > --------------- > id event_id info1 info2 > -- -------- ----- ----- > 1 1 stuff1 stuff2 > 2 3 stuff3 stuff4 > > table: b_events > --------------- > id event_id other1 other2 other3 > -- -------- ------ ------ ------ > 1 2 junk1 junk2 junk3 > 2 4 data1 data2 data3 > > I don't know which way will work best for you > but it may be helpful to know you can probably > go back and forth with relative ease. > > Good luck, > > Troy > > >>> lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu 07/16/01 09:45PM >>> > > I've seen it done both ways. The first way is arguably the simplest, > > but the second way to more true to the relational model of data. > > Adding a event type code to distinguish the two types is not a bad > > idea either, but not a requirement. > > Is it possible to have three databases: One would be the "glue" > > UniqueID type > 1 a > 2 b > 3 a > > table a would be > > 1 info1 info2 > 3 stuff stuff2 > > table b would be > 2 otherformatted stuff with more fields > > > Then my script could foreach in table glue, if type=a, get id, query table > a, do stuff, and if typ=b, get id, query table b, etc. > > The main problem with this is maintaining the unique id numbers that join > these tables. Can I somehow link these tables in mysql so when I add an > item in table b, an entry is added to table glue, or do I manually (ie > with scripts) need to maintain the syncing of these tables. It is my > (naive?) impression that it what a relational database is for, but I can't > find info on mysql on linking tables like this. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 18 01:18:07 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:40:03PM -0500 References: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010718081807.D45212@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:40:03PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > First, is it possible to do some sort of chroot'd environment for individual > > users? I know wu-ftp dosnt exactly support this, but I have heard too many > > stories about wu being insecure. Does proFTPd support this? > > ProFTPd certainly supports this. I think it handles everything you > mentioned. It's got good docs too. Plus ocasionally being featured on bugtraq, although it's been a while since the last exploit as far as I remember. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jul 18 04:58:10 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question References: Message-ID: <3B555DB2.F07723ED@haxxed.com> > Then my script could foreach in table glue, if type=a, get id, query table > a, do stuff, and if typ=b, get id, query table b, etc. There should be no need for this complexity in the front end. Use massively complex and ugly SQL instead. ;) Something like: select * from (select date, eventtype1stuff_1, eventtype1stuff_2, null, null from eventtype1 union select date, null, null, eventtype2stuff_1, eventtype2stuff_2 from eventtype2) order by date desc; Does your head hurt yet? ;) Untested so the syntax may not be quite right. But you get the idea. And of course MySQL doesn't do subselects so you have to do it your way. ;) And I recommend taking an SQL class. Or at least reading a good book. ;) (The Practical SQL Handbook Third Edition is what my class used. I still find it handy for figuring out all the wacky stuff you can do with subselects and such that I've only just scratched the surface on...) > The main problem with this is maintaining the unique id numbers that join > these tables. Can I somehow link these tables in mysql so when I add an > item in table b, an entry is added to table glue, or do I manually (ie > with scripts) need to maintain the syncing of these tables. It is my > (naive?) impression that it what a relational database is for, but I can't > find info on mysql on linking tables like this. Postgresql has a serial datatype/serial generator. Looking through the MySQL docs it doesn't seem to have one. It also seems the MySQL developers really are arrogant, only concerned about speed, and no care to being anything but a totally minimal SQL implementation. ;P Use MySQL if you want a cheezy little web page. Use Postgresql if you want to develop a real DB app or learn how to develop a real DB app. And the latest Postgresql 7.1 seems to be hella fast, they apparently implemented journaling (or maybe phase tree?) within the DB files so it runs in async mode by default now. Whoo. I'm a Postgresql fan if you haven't noticed. ;) From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jul 18 06:01:34 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010717184711.B15568@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010717184711.B15568@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010718.11013400@linwin.mshome.net> The digest of the message is; Linux is more powerful than MSWindows and is free, but the growth of Linux use is unimpressive. Why ?? (Microsoft stock is surging, Linux companies are dying.) How can more people learn Linux ?? I am simply informing the local Linux community that adding a Linux box to an existing MShome network is very simple and cheap. This way more (young) people will have a chance to spend the necessary time learning the nuances of a very different system. I have seen much about adding MSWindows boxes to a Linux server network (eg. Samba), but little about how easy it is to add a Linux box to an existing Mshome network. Which is the better way to introduce Linux to a larger interested public ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/17/01, 6:47:11 PM, "Florin Iucha" wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:50:23PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > The leap into Linux from MSWindows is daunting. The family computer is > > not an available option for most eager learners. A second computer using > > Linux (possibly double boot) is now affordable for many. > > > > With MSWindows Home Networking it is easy and cheap to add this second > > (Linux) home computer to the internet. The MSWindows box requires > > Windows98SE or above (we use ME) for use as the "gateway" TCP/IP, DHCP > > network server. It works great. > > > > Instead of this hook-up most Linux experts suggest using the Linux > > machine for the "gateway." When you know what you're doing that is great. > > But most families won't try this experiment with their home system. So > > Linux goes untried by too many kids. > > > > Linux is not the first OS kids learn. Simplifying the steps to begin > > learning Linux is important. So I suggest adding a Linux box to an > > MSWindows network. This is the opposite of adding MSWindows boxes to a > > Linux network as most experts now suggest. > > > > Linux is the best OS. Let's share it. > And the digest of this message is... ? > Maybe it's too late in the afternoon. > florin > -- > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Jul 18 08:20:07 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010718.11013400@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010717184711.B15568@beaver.iucha.org> <20010718.11013400@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <01071808200702.01091@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 July 2001 06:01, thus spake Rick Engebretson: > I have seen much about adding MSWindows boxes to a Linux server network > (eg. Samba), but little about how easy it is to add a Linux box to an > existing Mshome network. Which is the better way to introduce Linux to a > larger interested public ?? > Rick, In reality, I suspect that there are more Linux boxes added to MS networks for just the purpose you suggest, than the other way around. This is how I got started with Linux, and the same goes for a couple of my friends. In other words, people are already doing exactly what you are recommending -- therefore, you are on the right track! Dave > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 6:47:11 PM, "Florin Iucha" wrote > regarding > > Re: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm: > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:50:23PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > > The leap into Linux from MSWindows is daunting. The family computer > > > is not an available option for most eager learners. A second > > > computer using Linux (possibly double boot) is now affordable for > > > many. > > > > > > With MSWindows Home Networking it is easy and cheap to add this > > > second (Linux) home computer to the internet. The MSWindows box > > > requires Windows98SE or above (we use ME) for use as the "gateway" > > > TCP/IP, DHCP network server. It works great. > > > > > > Instead of this hook-up most Linux experts suggest using the Linux > > > machine for the "gateway." When you know what you're doing that is > > > great. But most families won't try this experiment with their home > > > system. So Linux goes untried by too many kids. > > > > > > Linux is not the first OS kids learn. Simplifying the steps to begin > > > learning Linux is important. So I suggest adding a Linux box to an > > > MSWindows network. This is the opposite of adding MSWindows boxes to > > > a Linux network as most experts now suggest. > > > > > > Linux is the best OS. Let's share it. > > > > And the digest of this message is... ? > > > > Maybe it's too late in the afternoon. > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take > > effect" > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7VY0HOiMJhTaLf3MRAgSjAKCDu4HTflpTfdHmG55c12LrshiDOgCdHBZy rL21qr8Rh2wrRtwDcx8qgnI= =8irH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owens at gradtech.com Wed Jul 18 08:31:52 2001 From: owens at gradtech.com (Dale W. Owens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: <20010717153427.E1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000e01c10f8e$40bebfe0$2000000a@gradtech.com> Is your Win2K machine account set up? -- Dale Owens owens@gradtech.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:34 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:26:26PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > And a third! The only advantage I see to VMWares server is that they > configure it for you. But really, samba isn't hard to configure until you > start playing with domains and stuff. Even then...well... :) OK, I setup samba and disabled vmware's samba. Can connect to samba server from linux box, but when I try it from vmware/win2k box, it fails with The account is not authorized to login from this station smb.log shows this: [2001/07/17 15:25:35, 1] lib/util_sock.c:client_name(1012) Gethostbyaddr failed for 192.168.25.39 What do I need to do? Thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 18 08:57:43 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question (elegant solution?) In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:15:42AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010718085743.A11914@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:15:42AM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > Maintain two tables with the two types of events. Generate the third table > that links them as needed by joining the two table by their unique id and > then making a second field "table" have a if the id is 0-10000 and "b" if > the id is 50000-60000 (or whatever the numbers are). When I want to access > both tables, I can just query all in the generated table and if table=a, > do something and if table=b do something else for each entry. Or drop the "table" field and determine table directly by looking at the ID. Why store redundant information? From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 18 09:00:17 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <01071723313906.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: Do you have a non-US source line? deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free apt-get install libssl0.9.6 ssh That should get everything, of course the libssl package may be named differently in potato. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 18 08:59:52 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:44:46PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010717174446.C628@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010718085951.B11914@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:44:46PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > My days of debian are done. Ben swearing off debian? Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jul 18 09:04:20 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: <20010717184428.A15568@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:44:29PM -0500 References: <3B547675.27486.18A320FC@localhost> <20010717174335.B628@minime.sistina.com> <20010717184428.A15568@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010718090420.B3607@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:44:29PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >Next time, send mail to Ben directly :) HEY! :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010718/82784fdf/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 09:06:41 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware's samba server - woes In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:22:40PM -0500 References: <20010717153427.E1669@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010718090641.B938@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:22:40PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > > smb.log shows this: > > > > [2001/07/17 15:25:35, 1] lib/util_sock.c:client_name(1012) > > Gethostbyaddr failed for 192.168.25.39 > > Put an entry for 192.168.25.39 in /etc/hosts or setup reverse dns or > lmhosts or wins it looks like... I already have entry in /etc/hosts. For some reason, today I'm no longer getting the Gethostbyaddr error in smb.log anymore but windows gives me the same error. Could it be something else? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Jul 18 09:13:14 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question In-Reply-To: <3B555DB2.F07723ED@haxxed.com> Message-ID: > There should be no need for this complexity in the front end. Use > massively complex and ugly SQL instead. ;) > > Something like: > > select * from > (select date, eventtype1stuff_1, eventtype1stuff_2, null, null from > eventtype1 > union > select date, null, null, eventtype2stuff_1, eventtype2stuff_2 from > eventtype2) > order by date desc; > > Does your head hurt yet? ;) eh? I've had worse. Ok, so this is join the two tables into one and sort by the date, great. Then on the php side I need to someone know what table type it is / what fields are there. something like: (if eventtype1stuff_1!=null) print "You've got $eventtype1stuff_1 in type 1"; if (eventtype2stuff_2!=null) print "You've got other stuff like $eventype2stuff_1 in type 2." its the need for php to know which table type it is that makes me want to have a field in both for table type (or some identifying) characteristic. > Use MySQL if you want a cheezy little web page. Sadly, that's what I want. Thanks again, Ben From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Jul 18 09:22:20 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: <20010717184428.A15568@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:43:35PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:31:33PM -0500, Bob McCloud wrote: > > > > How tacky it is to send mail to a mailing list to test your mail setup. > > > Right. > > Next time, send mail to Ben directly :) > > florin > Oh and make sure that its in HTML format too. ;) Ben loves that. ~j From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Jul 18 09:42:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0500 References: <20010717184428.A15568@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010718094250.E3607@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Oh and make sure that its in HTML format too. ;) > >Ben loves that. YES! That's my favorite. It's such a considerate thing to do. My other favorite thing is when people use windows and get hit by a virus that sends lots of spam to the mailing lists I'm on... -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010718/deaff513/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 10:09:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing ssh on debian with apt In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8350@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > apt-get install ssh doesn't work. It says it requires libssl09 and there is > no such package which contains libssl09. > > apt-get install openssh doesn't work either. Is there something I need to > add to my sources.list file, or a different package I need? apt-get install ssh works just fine for me, under stable, unstable, and testing. what'cha got in your sources.list? (the debian package 'ssh' is really openssh.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 18 10:12:03 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010718.11013400@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010717184711.B15568@beaver.iucha.org> <20010718.11013400@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010718111202.B19483@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:01:34AM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > The digest of the message is; Linux is more powerful than MSWindows and > is free, I, for one, wish like hell that someone had introduced me to Linux when I was younger (Linus started coding our favorite OS kernel when I was about a freshman in high school). I used DOS and Windows and was constantly thinking to myself, "man, you just can't DO much...". With Linux, there's always a new way to accidentally mess up your computer. :) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 10:12:06 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. In-Reply-To: <20010717190506.F18851@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > our mailserver here requires PC100. We tried upgrading it with PC133, and it > refused to POST. > Dunno what chipset it has. 440BX. Problem was actually the fact that we tried using ECC PC133; according to Crucial, plain 'ol PC133 would work fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 18 10:12:20 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Next time, send mail to Ben directly :) > Oh and make sure that its in HTML format too. ;) And make sure you use Staroffice. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jul 18 10:14:12 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Delete----Just a test Message-ID: What about dog bites, and bee stings, and feelings of sadness? Are those your favorites too? ;-) Ug! Just typing 'bee stings' makes me itch. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 07/18/01 09:42AM >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Oh and make sure that its in HTML format too. ;) > >Ben loves that. YES! That's my favorite. It's such a considerate thing to do. My other favorite thing is when people use windows and get hit by a virus that sends lots of spam to the mailing lists I'm on... From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 18 10:14:35 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moo !? Message-ID: <20010718111435.C19483@lemongecko.org> (sorry for spamming the list if every Debian user but me knows about this) $ apt-get moo Just try it! Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 10:14:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Aside from the insecurities inherited in the FTP protocol, I would like to > set up a secure FTP server in the styling of an ISP. That is to say, when > someone ftp's to the server, all they have access to is their home directory. > I dont even want them to be able to browse the filesystem. (consider it like > several anonymous ftp users) > > I have a few thoughts, but would like a bit more enlightenment on this issue. > > First, is it possible to do some sort of chroot'd environment for individual > users? I know wu-ftp dosnt exactly support this, but I have heard too many > stories about wu being insecure. Does proFTPd support this? Yes. DefaultRoot ~ (or something along those lines) works beautifully. > Second, what is the bare minimum commands needed for FTP? And by this I mean > what goes into the ftp structure. When I FTP to some anonymous servers, > there are these directories: > bin/ > etc/ > lib/ > pub/ > > and they are all empty execpt lib, which contains things like ld, libc, > libnsl, libnss_files, and libtermcap > > I thought you had to have things like ls and cd in bin for it to work.. > could I get away without having these libraries also? ProFTPd does not require any of that. Make your directory structure however you want. :) > My last question is about virtual users. I would like the ability to have > users log into the FTP service, but not be in the system user base. I know > some servers support this, but I dont know which ones, and I want to know how > the permissions work for this. Can a virtual user be the owner of something? Haven't messed it. > Thats all for now, I am sure I will think of more questions later -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 18 10:18:43 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, johndmiller wrote: > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. > > Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? As a basic rule, I never use the 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 network. I discovered a problem with a couple Redhat boxen when I tried using it. Everything was working fine, then I introduced a Redhat box (6.2 I think) into the network and I had the identical problem. How hard would it be to change your internal IPs from 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 to 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0? I did it and it worked no problem. -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 10:20:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need Memory Message-ID: Anyone have a 32mb, 168-pin, non-parity EDO DIMM they want to get rid of? My JavaStation is asking for more memory. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 18 10:26:07 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need Memory In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:20:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010718172607.G45212@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:20:52AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone have a 32mb, 168-pin, non-parity EDO DIMM they want to get rid of? > My JavaStation is asking for more memory. :) Will 2*16mb work? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 10:29:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need Memory In-Reply-To: <20010718172607.G45212@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Anyone have a 32mb, 168-pin, non-parity EDO DIMM they want to get rid of? > > My JavaStation is asking for more memory. :) > > Will 2*16mb work? Nope; only 2 slots, already got a 32mb in one. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 18 10:30:00 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moo !? In-Reply-To: <20010718111435.C19483@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:14:35AM -0400 References: <20010718111435.C19483@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010718102959.D11914@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:14:35AM -0400, Dan wrote: > (sorry for spamming the list if every Debian user but me knows about this) > > $ apt-get moo > > Just try it! ...using a testing or unstable apt-get. The stable version just says: # apt-get moo E: Invalid operation moo From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 10:46:44 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010718111202.B19483@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <001901c10fa0$d8828160$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> I also wish I had been introduced to Linux earlier. I just started in December. Microsoft stole 10 years of my life and I want them back!!! Nah. I'd only waste them anyway. H. P. Christianson 20 NE 2nd St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 chri0704@tc.umn.edu (612) 331 4125 (home) (612) 327 6654 (cell) From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Wed Jul 18 11:54:30 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D625B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I am willing to change the ip's of the network. The current system is comprised of RH7.0, which is a gateway, Win98, and WinME. I have not had any trouble until now. The only time I have problems is when ATT changes my internet ip address. I just ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 and the network can connect to the internet again. My plans for the Caldera box is to set it up as a firewall but before I do that I figure that I need to get it to connect to the network and then create the firewall/gateway system. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:19 AM To: TC-LUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, johndmiller wrote: > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. > > Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? As a basic rule, I never use the 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 network. I discovered a problem with a couple Redhat boxen when I tried using it. Everything was working fine, then I introduced a Redhat box (6.2 I think) into the network and I had the identical problem. How hard would it be to change your internal IPs from 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 to 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0? I did it and it worked no problem. -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Wed Jul 18 12:57:22 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm References: <001901c10fa0$d8828160$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B55CE02.3010104@mninter.net> As I learned, Windows dummifies you. That going from Dos 2.x to Win9x lost a lot of experience on command line stuff cause it wasn't used as much anymore. As to starting earlier, I would've liked to of to kept up with with my pc schooling back in High School (Apple Basic and Pascal) but I didn't. Was off to see the world, and become a grease monkey afterwards. For my son, his machine in Win98se only for his games. I'll reload and put Linux (Slackware 8) on it in the near future. He'll be 9 in December, should be a good age to start him off on.... Shawn Hans P. Christianson wrote: >I also wish I had been introduced to Linux earlier. I just started in >December. Microsoft stole 10 years of my life and I want them back!!! Nah. >I'd only waste them anyway. > From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 13:17:59 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <3B55CE02.3010104@mninter.net> Message-ID: <001a01c10fb5$f9bd1420$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> I always had to use Microsoft because my Dad owned the computer. It's like jumping off the end of a pier when you start using Linux. He's always been a little untrusting of what can be downloaded for free. Not that I blame him. He has led a safe, albeit boring, computer existence. His home network is being served by a piece o' crap box with a copy of Novell on there older than I am. I told him I would redo his network for free, but he didn't like that idea. Hans From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jul 18 13:39:44 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm Message-ID: Don't 'redo', just add a Linux box and more services. He might like that. But don't go trying to separate an old man from his netware. It's like saying "You should get more exersize. Let start with backflips!" :-) >>> chri0704@tc.umn.edu 07/18/01 01:17PM >>> I always had to use Microsoft because my Dad owned the computer. It's like jumping off the end of a pier when you start using Linux. He's always been a little untrusting of what can be downloaded for free. Not that I blame him. He has led a safe, albeit boring, computer existence. His home network is being served by a piece o' crap box with a copy of Novell on there older than I am. I told him I would redo his network for free, but he didn't like that idea. Hans _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jul 18 13:49:02 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If he is holding onto Netware that tightly, it is a Good Thing. He sees that even his outdated Novel systems are more stable than windows... so he recognizes some of windows fallbacks. But I agree here... take it slow. A little at a time. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm Don't 'redo', just add a Linux box and more services. He might like that. But don't go trying to separate an old man from his netware. It's like saying "You should get more exersize. Let start with backflips!" :-) >>> chri0704@tc.umn.edu 07/18/01 01:17PM >>> I always had to use Microsoft because my Dad owned the computer. It's like jumping off the end of a pier when you start using Linux. He's always been a little untrusting of what can be downloaded for free. Not that I blame him. He has led a safe, albeit boring, computer existence. His home network is being served by a piece o' crap box with a copy of Novell on there older than I am. I told him I would redo his network for free, but he didn't like that idea. Hans _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 18 14:09:24 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <001a01c10fb5$f9bd1420$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > network is being served by a piece o' crap box with a copy of Novell on > there older than I am. I told him I would redo his network for free, but he > didn't like that idea. What version of Novell? Novell impressed me long before I started playing with linux.. lightweight (Netware 4.11 runs on a 386), stable, and incredibly nice admin features... Novell wasted M$ in the server market long ago. Redoing a Novell network is a threat from your dad's angle. He knows Novell rocked when he installed it, despite all his hacking buddies telling him that Microsoft was the answer, now you're telling him linux is the answer... sometimes you just need to let things alone when they're working. I like the idea that was posted here in another message.. add linux in, but don't touch his Novell server. Let him figure out on his own what makes linux a superior OS and he will come around. I "migrated" my network from Novell to linux awhile back but Novell is always welcome back. It served me well. Windows NT/2000/XP is forever forbidden. -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 14:10:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <001a01c10fb5$f9bd1420$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > I always had to use Microsoft because my Dad owned the computer. It's like > jumping off the end of a pier when you start using Linux. He's always been > a little untrusting of what can be downloaded for free. Not that I blame > him. He has led a safe, albeit boring, computer existence. His home > network is being served by a piece o' crap box with a copy of Novell on > there older than I am. I told him I would redo his network for free, but he > didn't like that idea. Gotta remember.. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And Netware certainly ain't broke.. well, at least with a real admin. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 18 14:11:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > Windows NT/2000/XP is forever forbidden. How 'bout 95/98/ME? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 18 14:45:15 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > How 'bout 95/98/ME? I have a Windows user on my network and also my Lego software runs like crap under VMWare and last I checked doesn't run under WINE. So Win95 continues as a client, but Windows servers are not welcome. -Brian From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 15:08:03 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c10fc5$59ad7b40$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> As near as I can tell, my old man doesn't know anything at all about the Novell server. He is using exactly that philosophy: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I, on the other hand, like the philosophy, "If it ain't broke, you aren't screwing around with it enough"... (At least, for home use). The Novell server -I think- is only being used to store files. It is a minimal home network to distribute broadband service throughout the house, and I don't believe the way they have it set up requires a server at all. But I don't tell him this. It used to be a real server at my dad's clinic. Hans From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 18 15:47:41 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync wierdness Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ok.. this is a _really_ wierd problem.. I'm running a NetBSD 1.4 web server, and I am trying to setup an rsyncd server on it so i can mirror off the data to our shiny new penguin computing box. but whenever I try and start the rsync session from the linux box, i get this message on the NetBSD server. Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: rsync on blah/ from systems@(host) Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: transfer interrupted (code 3) at main.c(263) and on the client end I get this: $ rsync -azrvl --progress --password-file=/root/pass --progress systems@silver::blah/ /web receiving file list ... push_dir rsyncd: No such file or directory (3) unexpected EOF in read_timeout here's what my rsyncd.conf looks like: [blah] path = /web auth users = systems secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets I have no idea what the heck is causing this.. I tried setting up a similar rsync server on the linux box.. and I got the same messages when I try and sync from the netbsd server.. but when I run the same exact command on another linux box.. it works fine.. ARG! Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO1X17stpDhsSpvgtAQHthwQAocntUEi+B3SmXGjjmcsrtT9k+2YNGBRG GjRT3nsuzyvEy33t8zQ+pLXeS7BYG8raUFcELmEi5nIWW8nWJtcBXhkSTZuGcoJt 2ebbNcG1IxzKV1UBiVFcZ9NhVHL+D5UKPELEtSLx9EInaeTzjSXOU9aUa3pDQ6wm VXx9msflRBU= =7zWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 15:54:52 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] for sale! two machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey my frat is buying a pool table so we are raising $$. For my part I'm giving the proceeds from the sale of two machines. IBM 166 mhz pentium mmx, 64 mb, 2 gigs hd, 3com networking etc. ast 150 mhz pentium 32 mb, 2 gigs hd, network, sound, modem, etc I already have a couple of the IBM machines running as nice linux web servers and DNS servers. They are nice, compatable with linux, and are very reliable. The AST came from a freind of mine. The onboard sound is ess so it should work under linux. The network card will be ne2000 compatable. Any reasonable offer will be entertained! Colin Kilbane From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jul 18 16:24:26 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox Accel. drivers for G450? Message-ID: <20010718162426.A16344@localhost.localdomain> Hi, has anybody had any luck with getting the Matrox drivers to work with RH 7.1? I installed them but am getting the message that DRI is not enabled. I did what the readme told me to: edited the config file, installed the object files... However, I still get the error saying that DRI is disabled. When I do an insmod mga, it succeeds, but gives me this warning: mtrr: type mismatch for e4000000,4000000 old: write-back new: write-combining Anybody have any clues? I'd really like to play tribes it's not really an option without getting acceleration working... Thanks, David From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 16:39:16 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync wierdness In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:47:41PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010718163916.C23776@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Well, I'm no rsync expert, but have you tried compiling rsync from the same sources on each machine? Could be a version mis-match... Gabe On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:47:41PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > ok.. this is a _really_ wierd problem.. I'm running a NetBSD 1.4 web > server, and I am trying to setup an rsyncd server on it so i can mirror > off the data to our shiny new penguin computing box. but whenever I try > and start the rsync session from the linux box, i get this message on the > NetBSD server. > > Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: rsync on blah/ from systems@(host) > Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: transfer interrupted (code 3) at > main.c(263) > > and on the client end I get this: > > $ rsync -azrvl --progress --password-file=/root/pass --progress > systems@silver::blah/ /web > receiving file list ... push_dir rsyncd: No such file or directory (3) > unexpected EOF in read_timeout > > here's what my rsyncd.conf looks like: > [blah] > path = /web > auth users = systems > secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets > > > I have no idea what the heck is causing this.. I tried setting up a > similar rsync server on the linux box.. and I got the same messages when I > try and sync from the netbsd server.. but when I run the same exact > command on another linux box.. it works fine.. ARG! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dante at plethora.net Wed Jul 18 17:05:34 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox Accel. drivers for G450? In-Reply-To: <20010718162426.A16344@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Try the beta drivers and the config utility. I'm running them with Debian unstable and evrything seems great. BTW, has anybody had any luck with Civ:CTP and Xinerama? Dan On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, David Christian wrote: > Hi, has anybody had any luck with getting the Matrox drivers to work > with RH 7.1? I installed them but am getting the message that DRI is > not enabled. I did what the readme told me to: edited the config file, > installed the object files... > > However, I still get the error saying that DRI is disabled. > When I do an insmod mga, it succeeds, but gives me this warning: > mtrr: type mismatch for e4000000,4000000 old: write-back new: > write-combining > > Anybody have any clues? I'd really like to play tribes it's not really > an option without getting acceleration working... > > Thanks, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jul 18 16:50:12 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox Accel. drivers for G450? In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:05:34PM -0500 References: <20010718162426.A16344@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010718165012.A16667@localhost.localdomain> I'm using the beta drivers. My problem is that I get a "MGA: direct rendering disabled" which the readme file says should only happen if I don't have the correct lines in my config file, but those lines are there. Any other hints? David On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:05:34PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Try the beta drivers and the config utility. I'm running them with Debian > unstable and evrything seems great. > > BTW, has anybody had any luck with Civ:CTP and Xinerama? > > Dan > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, David Christian wrote: > > > Hi, has anybody had any luck with getting the Matrox drivers to work > > with RH 7.1? I installed them but am getting the message that DRI is > > not enabled. I did what the readme told me to: edited the config file, > > installed the object files... > > > > However, I still get the error saying that DRI is disabled. > > When I do an insmod mga, it succeeds, but gives me this warning: > > mtrr: type mismatch for e4000000,4000000 old: write-back new: > > write-combining > > > > Anybody have any clues? I'd really like to play tribes it's not really > > an option without getting acceleration working... > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jul 18 16:05:55 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan@sodatrain.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync wierdness In-Reply-To: <20010718163916.C23776@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20010718163916.C23776@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1139.216.17.12.52.995490355.squirrel@sodatrain.com> the wierd rsync problems i have had have been solved with making sure i was using the same source on both boxes. otherwise, it can get funky > > Well, I'm no rsync expert, but have you tried compiling rsync from the > same sources on each machine? Could be a version mis-match... > > > Gabe From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jul 18 17:05:29 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox Accel. drivers for G450? In-Reply-To: <20010718165012.A16667@localhost.localdomain>; from dchristian@users.sourceforge.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:50:12PM -0500 References: <20010718162426.A16344@localhost.localdomain> <20010718165012.A16667@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010718170528.A17568@localhost.localdomain> Once again, I solved my own problem. I think that just writing to this list someone increases my linux grokking powers in some indeterminable way. The problem was that I was running at 24bpp, under which DRI is apparently not possible. Changing it to 16 bpp fixed the problem. Thanks again, David On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:50:12PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > I'm using the beta drivers. My problem is that I get a "MGA: direct rendering > disabled" which the readme file says should only happen if I don't have > the correct lines in my config file, but those lines are there. > > Any other hints? > > David From dave at davesdynamite.com Wed Jul 18 17:14:21 2001 From: dave at davesdynamite.com (Dave Purdy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what happened? Message-ID: I was looking at the thread http://www2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-March/008903.html and was wondering.. what happened? did you get the ram? thanks and sorry for bothering you, dave btw, dell.com is offering pc100 1gb stick for 19.99 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 18 18:09:16 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what happened? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010718180915.J12165@ringworld.org> * Dave Purdy [010718 17:48]: > btw, dell.com is offering pc100 1gb stick for 19.99 was? perhaps? I cant find it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jul 18 18:56:55 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to try and remove some possible problems, have you tried doing it through ssh instead? Then you don't need to bother setting up the server. rsync -e ssh ... Ben Kochie writes: > ok.. this is a _really_ wierd problem.. I'm running a NetBSD 1.4 web > server, and I am trying to setup an rsyncd server on it so i can mirror > off the data to our shiny new penguin computing box. but whenever I try > and start the rsync session from the linux box, i get this message on the > NetBSD server. > > Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: rsync on blah/ from systems@(host) > Jul 18 15:17:49 silver rsyncd[13318]: transfer interrupted (code 3) at > main.c(263) > > and on the client end I get this: > > $ rsync -azrvl --progress --password-file=/root/pass --progress > systems@silver::blah/ /web > receiving file list ... push_dir rsyncd: No such file or directory (3) > unexpected EOF in read_timeout > > here's what my rsyncd.conf looks like: > [blah] > path = /web > auth users = systems > secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets > > > I have no idea what the heck is causing this.. I tried setting up a > similar rsync server on the linux box.. and I got the same messages when I > try and sync from the netbsd server.. but when I run the same exact > command on another linux box.. it works fine.. ARG! > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From clay at fandre.com Wed Jul 18 19:04:47 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network References: Message-ID: <3B56241F.19FDBC09@fandre.com> johndmiller wrote: > > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. > > Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? Are you saying you can't ping anything except the localhost? Can other machines ping your machine? Has the NIC ever worked? Are you sure you have the correct setting for the NIC? I have had problems with ne2000 cards when I give it the incorrect IRQ. The card is detected fine, but I can't send anything in or out. Maybe something to check. From scanman at mninter.net Wed Jul 18 19:13:31 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm References: Message-ID: <3B56262B.4010802@mninter.net> What type of Lego software do you have? If you're talking about Lego MindStorms, you can program it in C under Linux. It's called "Not Quite C". I can dig up the URL if you're interested. Brian wrote: >On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > >>How 'bout 95/98/ME? >> > >I have a Windows user on my network and also my Lego software runs like >crap under VMWare and last I checked doesn't run under WINE. So Win95 >continues as a client, but Windows servers are not welcome. > >-Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mwebb at guru.innominatus.com Wed Jul 18 14:53:51 2001 From: mwebb at guru.innominatus.com (Mark Webb) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode Message-ID: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> I am tryng to get X working in 800x600 mode full screen. I have 24 bit 1024x768 working in full screen mode, but whenever I switch to 800x600 it defaults to the "virtual screen is larger than physical screen" mode for some reason. xf86config generates an XF86Config file, which isn't read as far as I understand by X11 4.0. Xconfigurator generates a X86Config-4 file. I am still pretty new to linux and am using a Geforce 2 mx 400 video card (which I have working after tweaking the XF86Config-4 file like the docs say). Unfortunately, I can't seem to figure out how to get 800x600 working full screen. Anyone have an idea how to get this working? Any input would be appreciated greatly. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 18 19:24:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <3B56262B.4010802@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, ScanMan wrote: > What type of Lego software do you have? If you're talking about Lego > MindStorms, you can program it in C under Linux. It's called "Not Quite > C". I can dig up the URL if you're interested. IIRC, there's a LEGO HOWTO at linuxdoc.org -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jul 18 19:56:33 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm.sdm In-Reply-To: <001e01c10fc5$59ad7b40$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> References: <001e01c10fc5$59ad7b40$dedc1941@badboy.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010719.563300@linwin.mshome.net> You need to get on a Linux box and have access to the internet. Linux has programming languages, scripting languages, installation and configuration methods, desktop and publishing tools, communications tools. Network administrators are rightly proud of their skills with Linux, too. I worked in the early days of MRI and other biophysical imaging and instrumentation. MSWindows doesn't do ultrasound scans and save lives. Unix does. You need your own computer on your dad's nice network. There is more to learn than you can know. Linux is very cool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/18/01, 3:08:03 PM, "Hans P. Christianson" wrote regarding RE: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm.sdm: > As near as I can tell, my old man doesn't know anything at all about the > Novell server. He is using exactly that philosophy: "If it ain't broke, > don't fix it". I, on the other hand, like the philosophy, "If it ain't > broke, you aren't screwing around with it enough"... (At least, for home > use). The Novell server -I think- is only being used to store files. It is > a minimal home network to distribute broadband service throughout the house, > and I don't believe the way they have it set up requires a server at all. > But I don't tell him this. It used to be a real server at my dad's clinic. > Hans > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john at mn.mediaone.net Wed Jul 18 19:08:14 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. > > What netmask? > Give the output of "ifconfig eth0" here: inet addr:192.168.0.4 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 MTU: 1500 Interrupt: 3 Bass Address 0x300 Interrupt 3 is used by the serial/modem ports. There might be a conflict between either the modem or the serial port with the mouse attached (the mouse is not working (yet)). How would I change that. I have used the setup software that came with the card. The software says that it is going to use IO addr of 0x300 and irq of 11. After I tried to do a ping ifconfig report errors on the TX side. > > Given the IP# of another host on the network, presumably attached to the > same hub... Let's use, for example, > 192.168.0.1 > > >From 192.168.0.4, you should be able to > ping -n 192.168.0.1 > > ...Does that work? no it spits out one line "PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1):56 data bytes" then sits there until I do the ^c thing. > > > Give your routing table here (output of "route -n": > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 u lo > ...In fact, the routing table shouldn't matter at this level, if your > netmask is reasonable. > > > Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? > > /etc/hosts shouldn't be relevant unless it's wrong. > If DNS is somehow messing up things (attempts to find names, even if > you're using numbers), the -n switch should take care of it. no DNS on the local network. > > Hope this helps at least reveal more information. > Andy > > > TIA > > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at mninter.net Wed Jul 18 20:19:08 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode References: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net> Erase the 1024x768 in this line: Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" to make it look like this: Modes "800x600" "640x480" in every place it occurs in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Mark Webb wrote: >I am tryng to get X working in 800x600 mode full screen. > >I have 24 bit 1024x768 working in full screen mode, but whenever I switch to 800x600 it defaults to the "virtual screen is larger than physical screen" mode for some reason. > >xf86config generates an XF86Config file, which isn't read as far as I understand by X11 4.0. Xconfigurator generates a X86Config-4 file. > >I am still pretty new to linux and am using a Geforce 2 mx 400 video card (which I have working after tweaking the XF86Config-4 file like the docs say). > >Unfortunately, I can't seem to figure out how to get 800x600 working full screen. Anyone have an idea how to get this working? Any input would be appreciated greatly. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 18 21:03:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux In-Reply-To: <20010717.22502300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010718210343.K12165@ringworld.org> > Linux is not the first OS kids learn. Simplifying the steps to begin > learning Linux is important. So I suggest adding a Linux box to an I spent one week at a 'computer applications III' course up at michigan tech as a summer youth program thing. After that and a programming course, tought *entierly* in unix envrions I was hooked, went home, and installed debian. And, worse yet, that whole week was on *black and white* xterms the first time around ;) I learned TWM! I learned the *hard* way by just installing and eating whatever nasty learning curve for the benefits of a user envrions that *worked*. I think that an experience in a well-setup seasoned unix environs can hook any computing user after they are tought a few simple things. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 19 05:53:13 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC100 RAM Wanted. References: Message-ID: <3B56BC19.3FACD579@haxxed.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > our mailserver here requires PC100. We tried upgrading it with PC133, and it > > refused to POST. > > Dunno what chipset it has. > > 440BX. > > Problem was actually the fact that we tried using ECC PC133; according to > Crucial, plain 'ol PC133 would work fine. Blargh. Well I spent the $30 and got 256mb of PC133 RAM. It seems to be working fine in my poor old ageing BX based Abit BH6. And Anarchy Online is now playable. Blargh. From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 19 08:23:25 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode In-Reply-To: <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net>; from scanman@mninter.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:19:08PM -0500 References: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010719082325.B19001@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:19:08PM -0500, ScanMan wrote: > Erase the 1024x768 in this line: > > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > to make it look like this: > > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > > in every place it occurs in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Which brings up the question: Is there a way to configure X to use multiple resolutions all at desktop size = screen size so that you can flip between 1024x768, 800x600, and whatever else without ever going into viewport mode or having to edit XF86Config every time you switch? From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 19 08:23:13 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode References: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3B56DF3F.C1397095@eetc.com> ScanMan wrote: > Erase the 1024x768 in this line: > > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > to make it look like this: > > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > > in every place it occurs in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Ya but then you don't get 1024x768. I got the impression that if you set the virtual screen to something lower than the current resolution it would be ignored. So, if you set your virtual size to 800x600 and jump back up to 1024x768 it would ignore the virtual screen size. It could also be that it simply ignores the virtual screen size setting all together and set's it to the highest mode in the config file. Or simply fail at startup. I can't remember now.... sim From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 08:34:44 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file to put xset params? Message-ID: <20010719083444.A24367@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Although I consider myself a seasoned Unix user/administrator, when it comes to configuring Xwindows, I'm still much too ignorant. I've recently been playing with xset for changing my mouse sensitivity (who knew you could do such a thing!). Unfortunately, any parameters set with xset are reset at logout. It even says so in the man page "These settings will be reset to default values when you log out." Does anyone know if there's a way to keep things I set with xset? Maybe in a dot-file in my home directory? I'd rather not put it in .cshrc or the equivalent, since my home directory is shared between many version of Unix, not all using XFree86, so equivalent xset commands have different syntax on different systems. I thought about Xdefaults, but it's only used to set app-specific X things... I suppose I could also set the XF86Config file, but this would change things for all users and not just me. Anyone already have a solution to this? Maybe I'm missing something horribly trivial, but it is only 8:30 am and I've just started my coffee... Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 08:36:59 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode In-Reply-To: <20010719082325.B19001@sherohman.org> References: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net> <20010719082325.B19001@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010719083659.6abfb9ae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:19:08PM -0500, ScanMan wrote: > > Erase the 1024x768 in this line: > > > > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > > > to make it look like this: > > > > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > > > > in every place it occurs in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > > Which brings up the question: Is there a way to configure X to use > multiple resolutions all at desktop size = screen size so that you > can flip between 1024x768, 800x600, and whatever else without ever > going into viewport mode or having to edit XF86Config every time you > switch? You mean with CTRL-ALT-[+/-]? No, I don't think so. I suppose it's theoretically possible, but the X client programs and window managers would have to be written to properly handle the change of resolution. The virtual size wouldn't change, but a user might not be able to tell if the windowmanager fakes it by only allowing the mouse to move in certain areas (Quake(II/III) does this, for example). If you are willing to restart the X server, you can set up the X server with multiple layouts. Someone should really put together some documentation on how to handle multiple layouts. It's becoming a more common practice.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ MS Windows -- From the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people who brought you \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) EDLIN! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010719/cd1d1ede/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 08:44:13 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] Message-ID: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 (IRQ 3?) while boot, but after booting everything worked fine after booting (including the modem which I think is on IRQ 3). Next boot, the sytem wouldn't come on at first. When I hit the power the drive LEDs came on, but no boot messages went to the screen. Also, the normal boot sounds didn't occur ( beeps, checking floppy drive, hard disk searching, etc.) I hit the power again, waited a couple of minutes, when I turned it on it booted and worked fine (though the IO warning was still there). Then, the last couple of times I tried to turn it on, it didn't work at all (it acted just like the other time). At first I thought the problems might be heat related since I have no AC, but I tried this morning when the temp was below 80, and still no luck. So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 19 08:46:49 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file to put xset params? In-Reply-To: <20010719083444.A24367@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a way to keep things I set with xset? In general, look in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults for X default stuff. However, I just put xset commands in my .xinitrc. It's a shellscript so you can put in conditional stuff for different UNIX versions/machines. -Yaron -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 08:53:07 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file to put xset params? In-Reply-To: <20010719083444.A24367@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:34:44AM -0500 References: <20010719083444.A24367@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719085307.B9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:34:44AM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a way to keep things I set with xset? Maybe in > a dot-file in my home directory? I'd rather not put it in .cshrc or the > equivalent, since my home directory is shared between many version of Unix, > not all using XFree86, so equivalent xset commands have different syntax on > different systems. Well, you could put them in your .cshrc, but check for OS before setting them. In my .cshrc here at work I have lines like: if ($OSTYPE == 'linux') then #Linux specific stuff else #Solaris stuff endif Of course, if you put stuff in your you .cshrc, its gets called for every new xterm you start which isn't necessary in this case, but I don't think that it should cause you any problems. The more correct. The more correct place to put xset stuff is probably your .xinitrc file (that where I have mine), but depending on how your systems are setup you may not have or want a .xinitrc file. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 19 09:00:44 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: > but after booting everything worked fine after booting Hello department of redundancy department. > My Pentium 200 MMX Pentiun 200's have been dead for a long time :P > At first I thought the problems might be heat related since > I have no AC, but I tried this morning when the temp was below > 80, and still no luck. Just like me, your computers ideal operating contitions are in the range of 50 to 75 F. ;) > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? Well if things are blinking it sounds like your motherboard or your video card. (Most motherboards will refuse to boot without a videocard.) So check to see that all the cards are properly seated and everything is still properly connected. Listen for beep error codes. What they mean is usually listed in your motherboards manual. Test your video card in another machine. Lastly, declare it dead. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 19 09:06:02 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Its dead, Jim. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jim Crumley Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 (IRQ 3?) while boot, but after booting everything worked fine after booting (including the modem which I think is on IRQ 3). Next boot, the sytem wouldn't come on at first. When I hit the power the drive LEDs came on, but no boot messages went to the screen. Also, the normal boot sounds didn't occur ( beeps, checking floppy drive, hard disk searching, etc.) I hit the power again, waited a couple of minutes, when I turned it on it booted and worked fine (though the IO warning was still there). Then, the last couple of times I tried to turn it on, it didn't work at all (it acted just like the other time). At first I thought the problems might be heat related since I have no AC, but I tried this morning when the temp was below 80, and still no luck. So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 19 09:06:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:44:13AM -0500 References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719090633.A11047@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was > that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 > (IRQ 3?) while boot, but after booting everything worked fine > after booting (including the modem which I think is on IRQ 3). > Next boot, the sytem wouldn't come on at first. When I hit the > power the drive LEDs came on, but no boot messages went to the > screen. Also, the normal boot sounds didn't occur ( beeps, checking > floppy drive, hard disk searching, etc.) I hit the power again, > waited a couple of minutes, when I turned it on it booted and worked > fine (though the IO warning was still there). Then, the last couple > of times I tried to turn it on, it didn't work at all (it acted > just like the other time). > > At first I thought the problems might be heat related since > I have no AC, but I tried this morning when the temp was below > 80, and still no luck. > > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? I have had a motherboard dying to me this way... I shut down the machine, powered it on 5 minutes later and... Nothing. (it worked flawlessly for over a year and before the last reboot it had a couple of weeks uptime). It happens... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 09:07:40 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719090740.3d53fdae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jim Crumley wrote: > > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. [snip] > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? Hmm. Try pulling out all of the cards in the system. Leave the memory in. Turn on the system. Presuming that your video card is a card and not onboard, you should hear some beeps (often 8). Start adding pieces back in, until the system doesn't work again, or maybe it'll start working again.. If you couldn't get anything to happen when all of the pieces were taken out, then you most likely have a problem with the memory or the motherboard. Make sure the memory is seated properly, and maybe try to borrow some RAM from someone for testing. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You can't have / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everything. Where would \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) you put it? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010719/25c5033a/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 19 09:14:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <3B56262B.4010802@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, ScanMan wrote: > What type of Lego software do you have? If you're talking about Lego > MindStorms, you can program it in C under Linux. It's called "Not Quite > C". I can dig up the URL if you're interested. Yeah, I know of NQC, and I have a copy. I also have the O'reilly book with all the neat hacks like legOS and making sensors and stuff. Anyway, I love my Mindstorms. My dilemma is Lego Creator, a really neat program that allows you to build models in a 3D environment with an infinite set of Legos. You can build and race models, etc. Also, I want to get my hands on a copy of LegoCAD from Autodesk as soon as I can find the $50. I'm assuming that I'll need Windows since Autodesk apparently has no interest linux at this point. -Brian From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 09:21:50 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file to put xset params? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:46:49AM -0500 References: <20010719083444.A24367@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719092150.D24588@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Actually, I just thought of .xinitrc about 5 mins ago. I'm so, so dumb before I have my go juice... Caffeine addiction is such a vicious circle... Gabe On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:46:49AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there's a way to keep things I set with xset? > > In general, look in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults for X default stuff. > > However, I just put xset commands in my .xinitrc. It's a shellscript so > you can put in conditional stuff for different UNIX versions/machines. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 19 09:22:42 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? Message-ID: Hey, Ok, my knowledge off electronics is enough for me to know how to replace LEDs on my machine when they die or are too boring. But that's pretty much it (ie, I can solder somewhat, and I know how to reconnect wires). When I was at The Shack getting new LEDs, I saw one of those LED-Basr things (you know, thing that has 8 LEDs in a row) and I thought, wouldn't it be cool to put that on and geet a Knight Rider thing going when the power was on? Or when the HDD gets accessed? Now, I know enough THEORY to know that you need something that'll take the power in from one LED and, uh, round-robin it between 8 LEDs. I know how to tell DNS to do that, but not real hardware. I know a lot of people on the list are electronics geeks (what's happening with the analog RAM meter, btw?) so I figured I'd ask. Is there like a Beginner's Guide to Hacking Electronics website or something? TIA, -Yaron -- From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jul 19 09:37:32 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20010719090740.3d53fdae.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B56F0AC.B0C124EE@structural-wood.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > > > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. > [snip] > > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? > > Hmm. Try pulling out all of the cards in the system. Leave the memory > in. Turn on the system. Presuming that your video card is a card and not > onboard, you should hear some beeps (often 8). Start adding pieces back > in, until the system doesn't work again, or maybe it'll start working > again.. > > If you couldn't get anything to happen when all of the pieces were taken > out, then you most likely have a problem with the memory or the > motherboard. Make sure the memory is seated properly, and maybe try to > borrow some RAM from someone for testing. > If after doing all of the above it still doesn't boot, try clearing the BIOS (usually you do this by shifting a motherboard jumper to an alternate position and then shifting it back). From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jul 19 09:41:37 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help a kid learn Linux.sdm References: Message-ID: <3B56F1A1.B0254319@structural-wood.com> Brian wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, ScanMan wrote: > > > What type of Lego software do you have? If you're talking about Lego > > MindStorms, you can program it in C under Linux. It's called "Not Quite > > C". I can dig up the URL if you're interested. > > Yeah, I know of NQC, and I have a copy. I also have the O'reilly book > with all the neat hacks like legOS and making sensors and stuff. Anyway, > I love my Mindstorms. > > My dilemma is Lego Creator, a really neat program that allows you to build > models in a 3D environment with an infinite set of Legos. You can build > and race models, etc. Also, I want to get my hands on a copy of LegoCAD > from Autodesk as soon as I can find the $50. I'm assuming that I'll need > Windows since Autodesk apparently has no interest linux at this point. > > -Brian > Try http://leocad.gerf.org/. The opening screen shot is a prop-driven airplane made of lego's. I don't know much about it beyond that, but would like to hear what you think if you experiment with it. Kent From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 10:23:32 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719102332.4b7b8c21.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:44:13 -0500 "Jim Crumley" wrote: > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was > that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 > (IRQ 3?) while boot, First thing that comes to mind, especially in light of the machine's age, is a bad CMOS battery. If the battery failed, the machine would tend to reset the CMOS parameters to default - which would in turn enable both serial ports and create the IO conflict you are seeing. The settings could also simply have been corrupted by a marginal battery, with some parameters such that the system doesn't want to boot (RAM wait states, etc). Test the CMOS battery with a voltmeter - it should be 3 volts or so. If not, replace it, reset the CMOS to the 'most compatible' defaults, and see how things go. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From steveg at transition.com Thu Jul 19 10:34:44 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF8C@postman.transition.com> I would also try a different power supply, after a few years the caps could be dried out and not filtering correctly. Switching noise from the power supply can really raise hell with digital circuits causing seemingly random behavior. -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:38 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] Mike Hicks wrote: > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > > > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. > [snip] > > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? > > Hmm. Try pulling out all of the cards in the system. Leave the memory > in. Turn on the system. Presuming that your video card is a card and not > onboard, you should hear some beeps (often 8). Start adding pieces back > in, until the system doesn't work again, or maybe it'll start working > again.. > > If you couldn't get anything to happen when all of the pieces were taken > out, then you most likely have a problem with the memory or the > motherboard. Make sure the memory is seated properly, and maybe try to > borrow some RAM from someone for testing. > If after doing all of the above it still doesn't boot, try clearing the BIOS (usually you do this by shifting a motherboard jumper to an alternate position and then shifting it back). _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Jul 19 10:49:39 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X and 800x600 mode In-Reply-To: <20010719082325.B19001@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:23:25AM -0500 References: <200107181955.OAA28411@guru.innominatus.com> <3B56358C.90201@mninter.net> <20010719082325.B19001@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010719104939.A29699@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:23:25AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Which brings up the question: Is there a way to configure X to use > multiple resolutions all at desktop size = screen size so that you > can flip between 1024x768, 800x600, and whatever else without ever > going into viewport mode or having to edit XF86Config every time you > switch? I haven't seen this in X. I think it would require the window manager to recognize a resolution change and adjust for it. That's one of the things that was really cool about BeOS. You could have different sized workspaces and your resolution changed automatically. Nate From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 10:48:34 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010719104834.5402e975.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:22:42 -0500 (CDT) "Yaron" wrote: > When I was at The Shack getting new LEDs, I saw one of those LED-Basr > things (you know, thing that has 8 LEDs in a row) and I thought, wouldn't > it be cool to put that on and geet a Knight Rider thing going when the > power was on? Or when the HDD gets accessed? Now, I know enough THEORY to > know that you need something that'll take the power in from one LED and, > uh, round-robin it between 8 LEDs. I know how to tell DNS to do that, but > not real hardware. Hmm.. Well, the really clean & slick way to do this would be to use a PIC microcontroller that has at least 8 I/O lines like the PIC16F84, and write a little piece of code for it that cycles the lines (and the connected LEDs) on and off in the pattern you want. Now, there are some very neat variations you could do with this: 1) If you wanted, you could write several different patterns for it, and select them with dipswitches 2) Way cooler, use the old LED signals from the HD LED, power LED to select the patterns for you. That way, you could display pattern A when the box was on, but the drive was quiet, and pattern B during drive activity. My thought, would be to have pattern A be the sweeping KITT / Cylon style, at maybe 1 cycle per 5 seconds, and pattern B just increases the frequency to 1 cycle per second. Slow for no drive activity, fast for drive activity. Neat, eh?. I've got a number of these devices, as well as a home-brew programmer for them. Check this thing out: http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/ I'm sure there is a way to do this that doesn't involve microcontrollers, but this is the only way that _I_ know how. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From steveg at transition.com Thu Jul 19 10:58:54 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF8D@postman.transition.com> Radio Shack used to publish beginners handbooks for electronics that had all kinds of nifty little circuits in them. I I bet you could do something like that with a few flip flops using the output to the single HDD LED as a strobe. I think I had a couple of those books at home, I'll see if I can find them and make you a copy, they were small maybe 50 pages or so. I'll trade you for some help with a DNS. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:23 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? Hey, Ok, my knowledge off electronics is enough for me to know how to replace LEDs on my machine when they die or are too boring. But that's pretty much it (ie, I can solder somewhat, and I know how to reconnect wires). When I was at The Shack getting new LEDs, I saw one of those LED-Basr things (you know, thing that has 8 LEDs in a row) and I thought, wouldn't it be cool to put that on and geet a Knight Rider thing going when the power was on? Or when the HDD gets accessed? Now, I know enough THEORY to know that you need something that'll take the power in from one LED and, uh, round-robin it between 8 LEDs. I know how to tell DNS to do that, but not real hardware. I know a lot of people on the list are electronics geeks (what's happening with the analog RAM meter, btw?) so I figured I'd ask. Is there like a Beginner's Guide to Hacking Electronics website or something? TIA, -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 19 11:12:01 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? References: <20010719104834.5402e975.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B5706D1.D68D3E2@haxxed.com> > I'm sure there is a way to do this that doesn't involve microcontrollers, > but this is the only way that _I_ know how. Personally I'd just wire it to a parallel port, but thats just me. I've recently completed a hardware hack toy of my own: http://www.haxxed.com/random/noritake/nd620035.jpg From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 11:07:28 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Yaron wrote: > I know a lot of people on the list are electronics geeks (what's happening > with the analog RAM meter, btw?) so I figured I'd ask. Is there like a > Beginner's Guide to Hacking Electronics website or something? Spend $50 to get "The Art of Electronics" by Paul Horowitz and Winfield Hill, Cambridge Press (search -- there's a web site for the book too.) This is the first and last book you probably need on the subject. It was written for an electronics class for Physics majors at Harvard. It is not a math book, and encourages back of the envelope designs -- but teaches you good habits. *VERY* readable. There's also a Student Manual to go with Lab stuff. Even if you're a working EE, it's one of the first books to reach for when you have a question. RE: Analog RAM meter. I have most of a driver happening, but didn't ever hear what meters people wanted to use to hook it up. The pallet of surplus computers I got from NASA and others became more interesting, but I'd be happy to resurrect my end if there's anyone else out there. ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mike at fruitioninc.com Thu Jul 19 13:44:56 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question References: <3B555DB2.F07723ED@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <015401c11083$61737000$0300000a@anelginanalas> > select * from > (select date, eventtype1stuff_1, eventtype1stuff_2, null, null from > eventtype1 > union > select date, null, null, eventtype2stuff_1, eventtype2stuff_2 from > eventtype2) > order by date desc; Note that you don't need the subselect. The following will work: select date, eventtype1stuff_1, eventtype1stuff_2, null, null from eventtype1 union all select date, null, null, eventtype2stuff_1, eventtype2stuff_2 from eventtype2 order by date desc; At least it works on Sybase. A quick look at the ANSI standard gave me no insight. Further changing "union" to "union all" will make it slightly more efficient, because it will skip the step of eliminating duplicates. Mike From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 11:48:20 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card Message-ID: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? i have a 3c905C-TXM and in netconf the first adaptor did not have eth0 and 3c90x as defaults as it usually does. i entered by hand but i still can't bring up eth0 when i start the network. ideas? thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 19 11:59:41 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers? References: Message-ID: <3B5711DD.B856E55E@eetc.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > RE: Analog RAM meter. I have most of a driver happening, but didn't ever > hear what meters people wanted to use to hook it up. The pallet of > surplus computers I got from NASA and others became more interesting, but > I'd be happy to resurrect my end if there's anyone else out there. ;) You get pallets from NASA? Lucky bas.... How'd you manage that? I got a home learning course thingy. Like 12 little books. I'm planning on going through them some time. Maybe I can make some copies. It's an entire course w/ test's at the end and everything. The higher level books get into IC's and the like but everything before that is really really slow and basic. I think I'm going to have to skim it over or something. There writen like the students are completely braindead. Not very fun to read. I'd go w/ Steve's deal first.... :-) sim From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 19 11:59:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:48:20AM -0500 References: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010719115932.L19001@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:48:20AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? i have a 3c905C-TXM and > in netconf the first adaptor did not have eth0 and 3c90x as defaults as > it usually does. i entered by hand but i still can't bring up eth0 > when i start the network. ideas? thx. `lspci` and `dmesg | grep eth` would be a good start. If it's not mentioned in lspci, the hardware doesn't see it and if it's not in dmesg, the OS missed it. From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 19 11:59:28 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql / php question References: <3B555DB2.F07723ED@haxxed.com> <015401c11083$61737000$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <3B5711F0.F8BB7FC4@haxxed.com> > At least it works on Sybase. A quick look at the ANSI standard gave me no > insight. Hmmm. Better safe than sorry. > Further changing "union" to "union all" will make it slightly more > efficient, because it will skip the step of eliminating duplicates. Good tip. From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 12:06:59 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719115932.L19001@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:59:32AM -0500 References: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> <20010719115932.L19001@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010719120659.A8455@real-time.com> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:59:32AM -0500, Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org) wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:48:20AM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > > how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? i have a 3c905C-TXM and > > in netconf the first adaptor did not have eth0 and 3c90x as defaults as > > it usually does. i entered by hand but i still can't bring up eth0 > > when i start the network. ideas? thx. > > `lspci` and `dmesg | grep eth` would be a good start. If it's not > mentioned in lspci, the hardware doesn't see it and if it's not in dmesg, > the OS missed it. thanks - lspci doesn't see it. i'll try some other cards. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 12:24:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? i have a 3c905C-TXM and > in netconf the first adaptor did not have eth0 and 3c90x as defaults as > it usually does. i entered by hand but i still can't bring up eth0 > when i start the network. ideas? thx. Need a very recent kernel for the 3c905C series. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 12:26:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> References: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010719122642.74a98466.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:48:20 -0500 "Amy Tanner" wrote: > how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? ifconfig -a will show all interfaces, even the ones that aren't up. If that doesn't show your eth0 interface, then the driver is not loaded. If it does show up, try bringing it up manually with: ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up If that doesn't bring it up, then it might be a problem with the driver or the hardware. When the interface is successfully brought up, it will appear in the ifconfig (no arguments) output. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 12:32:42 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719120659.A8455@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:06:59PM -0500 References: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> <20010719115932.L19001@sherohman.org> <20010719120659.A8455@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010719123242.A9448@real-time.com> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:06:59PM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > thanks - lspci doesn't see it. i'll try some other cards. re-seeded the card and then it found it. thanks for your help. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 13:13:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719123242.A9448@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > re-seeded the card and then it found it. thanks for your help. ^^^^^^^^^ you're card's got a random number generator? COOL! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 19 13:17:58 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 01:13:44PM -0500 References: <20010719123242.A9448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010719131758.N19001@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 01:13:44PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > re-seeded the card and then it found it. thanks for your help. > ^^^^^^^^^ > you're card's got a random number generator? COOL! :) Well, now that I think about it, packet size/timing distributions could probably provide a pretty good entropy source... -- It's as if we outlawed cars on the principle that they could be used to help crooks escape from bank robberies. - Dan Gillmore on the DMCA From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 19 13:36:08 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Need a very recent kernel for the 3c905C series. 2.4.2+ and you're good I know for sure. I think you're good with any 2.4 kernel, and any 2.2 if you download 3com's official driver (which is GPL, yay) or use the Scyld netdrivers. (same driver?) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jul 19 13:41:33 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More rsync stuff Message-ID: <3B5729DD.F4C7BB83@uswest.net> I am try to use rsync to update a directory on a particular server. I use the following command rsync -aR testdir/test.html somewhere.foo.com::myself/Incremental/foo If the directory Incremental exists, rsync creates foo and then places the structure testdir/test.html within it. However, if neither Incremental or foo exists, rsync gives me a: mkdir Incremental/foo/ : No such file or directory (1) Is there anyway to get rsync to build the Incremental/foo structure or am I limited by rsync to a single directory? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 14:11:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > 2.4.2+ and you're good I know for sure. I think you're good with any 2.4 > kernel, and any 2.2 if you download 3com's official driver (which is GPL, > yay) or use the Scyld netdrivers. (same driver?) I'm pretty sure that 2.2.18+ supports it. 2.4 is still "very recent" in my list of definitions. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sbernsen at innoveda.com Thu Jul 19 14:10:47 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE Message-ID: <3B5730B7.3A8B76C4@innoveda.com> With this message I'm sure to unleash a maelstrom of critisism, but here goes anyway. I have a RH6.2 machine hooked up on the internet. It's pretty much configured out of the box, no patches. I received the following e-mail from a user on another system: >This is a notice of abuse by one of your subscribers/users. The following >information describes the intrusion of my system: > >Date of incident: 7-19-01 >Time of incident: 10:00:02AM (Arizona time) >Type of incident: DNS PORT PROBE >IP address of offending user: X.X.X.X* >Name of offending users computer (If known):UNKNOWN >Port(s) which was/were intruded upon:53 >Resolved address of offending user: X.X.com* >IP address of intruded user (My computer): 24.21.118.88 > >Please keep me aprised of any actions taken against this offender. I find >this matter to be serious and would appreciate something being done in an >expedient manner. * - Address removed for obvious reasons. My question is, what is a DNS PORT PROBE? Does that just mean that a program requested service of his computer on port number 53? If so, what's so wrong with that? Also, does the fact that this request came from my computer mean someone has broken in and is attempting connections from my computer? Thanks, Seth -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 14:13:36 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:11:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010719141336.A9857@real-time.com> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:11:24PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > 2.4.2+ and you're good I know for sure. I think you're good with any 2.4 > > kernel, and any 2.2 if you download 3com's official driver (which is GPL, > > yay) or use the Scyld netdrivers. (same driver?) > > I'm pretty sure that 2.2.18+ supports it. 2.4 is still "very recent" in my > list of definitions. :) I'm running 2.2.16-22 and it works fine. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 19 14:32:03 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE In-Reply-To: <3B5730B7.3A8B76C4@innoveda.com> Message-ID: Let's see, you have a RH6.2 machine hooked up on the internet, stock install, no updates. Running off a @home cable modem in Tucson, AZ. (Why are you asking the Twin Cities Linux User Group? :) First off, bad bad bad bad! I want the Junkyard Wars 4th of July special car crushing machine as a lart! :) Your worst case scenerio is that you got hit by the bind worm and your computer is now looking for other vunerable bind installs. Since you're unpached you should take the box in question offline YESTERDAY and downloaded the updates for RedHat 6.2. Check the RedHat site for info on the worm (what was it? lion? ramen?) If it turns out you're infected with the worm, you may as well nuke everything but /home and install the latest Red Hat (or use the oppertunity to be converted to Debian or ) and play with stuff like XFS/ReiserFS. If you've ruled out worms and the like, are you actually running bind on your box? If so, what does your /etc/resolve.conf look like? Using you're isp's nameservers or just localhost? Check named.conf, using any forwarders? If you're just using localhost AND the machine in question is listed as a DNS server for a domain, the admin of the other machine needs to get his head outta his ass. :) If on the other hand your machine has no business going to his box for DNS info, then yeah, could be a problem there. The Institute for Security Technology Studies and SANA came up with a lionfind tool: http://www.ists.dartmouth.edu/IRIA/knowledge_base/tools/lionfind.htm http://www.sans.org/y2k/lion.htm Grab it and run. All I can think of for now, hope you found something helpful in all that. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 19 14:32:54 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE In-Reply-To: <3B5730B7.3A8B76C4@innoveda.com>; from sbernsen@innoveda.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:10:47PM -0500 References: <3B5730B7.3A8B76C4@innoveda.com> Message-ID: <20010719143254.R19001@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:10:47PM -0500, Seth Bernsen wrote: > With this message I'm sure to unleash a maelstrom of critisism, but here > goes anyway. I have a RH6.2 machine hooked up on the internet. It's > pretty much configured out of the box, no patches. Ouch... How old is 6.2? (Aren't they on 7.1 now? Or was that just my imagination?) > >Please keep me aprised of any actions taken against this offender. I find > >this matter to be serious and would appreciate something being done in an > >expedient manner. Based on the provided information, he's nuts. Unless he has logs showing that a specific exploit was attempted, there's no evidence that it wasn't just a legitimate, but misdirected, DNS request. > My question is, what is a DNS PORT PROBE? Does that just mean that a > program requested service of his computer on port number 53? Probably. > If so, > what's so wrong with that? Nothing. > Also, does the fact that this request came > from my computer mean someone has broken in and is attempting > connections from my computer? No. DNS uses UDP, which makes is very easy to forge a source address. However, if I were you, I'd take a hard look at the system to see whether there is any evidence of intrusion, then upgrade to the lastest version of $DISTRO and apply all available security patches. No sense in leaving the door wide open. -- It's as if we outlawed cars on the principle that they could be used to help crooks escape from bank robberies. - Dan Gillmore on the DMCA From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 14:53:33 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch recommendations Message-ID: <20010719145333.B10022@real-time.com> looking for recommendations on managed switch that supports vlan for around $1000. ths. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 14:57:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch recommendations In-Reply-To: <20010719145333.B10022@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > looking for recommendations on managed switch that supports vlan for around > $1000. ths. HP's are fairly good, otherwise, pick your favorite vendor (Bay, Cisco, etc) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From wilson at visi.com Thu Jul 19 15:29:29 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking mod_rewrite Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm trying to use a few Rewrite rules on my Apache server. The configuration *looks* good, but no URLs are being rewritten. There's an empty rewrite_log in the directory that I specified. There are no errors reported when I restart apache. Here's the section from httpd.conf: #IP 208.42.140.222 ServerName www.qwerk.org DocumentRoot /var/www RewriteEngine On RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log" RewriteLogLevel 3 #RewriteRule ^/mailman/ - [L] #RewriteRule ^/webalizer/ - [L] #RewriteRule ^/~(.*) - [L] RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.qwerk.org:80/Wilson/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [P] That last rewrite rule is for my Zope installation on my server at home. Up until now I've used proxy_pass, but I'm experimenting. (It's all one line in the httpd.conf file.) Is there a way that I can force something to be written in the rewrite_log? How can I confirm whether the Rewrite Engine is actually on? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 19 15:43:41 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719141336.A9857@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm running 2.2.16-22 and it works fine. Well, my advice come to be because the kernels in Debian didn't want to work with the onboard NIC in my GX150. Now that I think about it a bit more, yeah, support make it into the kernel sometime in the 2.2 series, but my particular NIC only worked with the latest and greatest. Anyway, moot point. Card was unseated. Darn cards, they never wear their seat belts. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 19 15:50:40 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trouble recognizing nic card In-Reply-To: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> References: <20010719114820.A8366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <995575841.5632.6.camel@merlin> I had problems with that exact card the other week. (Maybe you remember the 'Network Trouble' thread between Nate and I!). I tried installing Debian Potato (2.2.18 kernel?) and it wouldn't work. Very strange behavior to boot. I grabbed an intel card, tossed it in and everything worked great! Dave On 19 Jul 2001 11:48:20 -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > how can i tell if linux recognizes the nic card? i have a 3c905C-TXM and > in netconf the first adaptor did not have eth0 and 3c90x as defaults as > it usually does. i entered by hand but i still can't bring up eth0 > when i start the network. ideas? thx. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kblack at isd.net Thu Jul 19 16:16:42 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 Message-ID: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> Is anybody else running a firewall (and blocking port 80) noticing an unusual number of attacks today? I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around the world. Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody knows if anything unusual is happening. Kelly Black KB0GBJ (Please note I am in digest mode, so expect delays in responses from me) thanks.. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 16:23:27 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net>; from kblack@isd.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > Is anybody else running a firewall > (and blocking port 80) > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would > say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around > the world. > > Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that > could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody > knows if anything unusual is happening. That wouldn't be the IIS worm Code Red or something? A few persons on bugtraq has noted that serveral routers are getting affected by this too. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Jul 19 16:28:52 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > (and blocking port 80) > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my logs (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses look weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed HTTP header" (or something like that) in my error log. (this may be totally unrelated, I'm not very apache-literate.) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 19 16:28:22 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net>; from kblack@isd.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010719162822.T19001@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > Is anybody else running a firewall > (and blocking port 80) > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? I've got a little more information by virtue of seeing this in my apache logs instead of firewall logs... > I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would > say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around > the world. Sounds about right. I've logged 18 at home and 33 on the office web server. > Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that > could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody > knows if anything unusual is happening. Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 -- It's as if we outlawed cars on the principle that they could be used to help crooks escape from bank robberies. - Dan Gillmore on the DMCA From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 16:32:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 kblack@isd.net wrote: > Is anybody else running a firewall > (and blocking port 80) > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would > say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around > the world. > > Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that > could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody > knows if anything unusual is happening. Code Red virus. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 16:37:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > > (and blocking port 80) > > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my logs > (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses look > weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed HTTP > header" (or something like that) in my error log. 211.236.188.150 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:04:43 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" ip44-137.asiaonline.net - - [19/Jul/2001:23:12:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" 212.113.168.95 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:32:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" Like these I take it? > (this may be totally unrelated, I'm not very apache-literate.) I think it is related :) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 16:38:16 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719162822.T19001@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:28:22PM -0500 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719162822.T19001@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010719233816.O45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:28:22PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > (and blocking port 80) > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > I've got a little more information by virtue of seeing this in my > apache logs instead of firewall logs... > > > I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would > > say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around > > the world. > > Sounds about right. I've logged 18 at home and 33 on the office web > server. > > > Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that > > could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody > > knows if anything unusual is happening. > > Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer > overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and > are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. > > The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at > http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/headline.html?id=12004 -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From kethry at winternet.com Thu Jul 19 16:41:06 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> Message-ID: yes! On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 kblack@isd.net wrote: > Is anybody else running a firewall > (and blocking port 80) > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > I usually log a couple of wayward souls, but today I would > say that number is in excess of 20 separate ip's from around > the world. > > Not that this is doing anything but sucking up that > could be put to a good use, just wanted to see if anybody > knows if anything unusual is happening. > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > > (Please note I am in digest mode, so expect delays > in responses from me) thanks.. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 19 16:51:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:37:13PM +0200 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:37:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > > > (and blocking port 80) > > > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > > > Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my logs > > (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses look > > weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed HTTP > > header" (or something like that) in my error log. > > 211.236.188.150 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:04:43 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > ip44-137.asiaonline.net - - [19/Jul/2001:23:12:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > 212.113.168.95 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:32:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > Like these I take it? > The same here from these guys... 213.26.234.70 209.223.50.51 207.101.212.130 212.163.165.26 65.3.198.239 198.145.154.193 211.62.36.37 211.172.225.63 202.123.80.2 150.164.98.130 24.184.153.172 133.66.35.7 62.49.221.130 210.160.177.165 12.76.115.253 149.169.25.4 193.183.19.90 66.46.75.98 florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From cargods at storage.network.com Thu Jul 19 16:54:23 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 Message-ID: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> Needless to say, if you see these attacks coming from various places, you should try to let them know they have been infected. dsc From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 17:01:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:51:51PM -0500 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010720000113.P45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:51:51PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:37:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > > > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > > > > (and blocking port 80) > > > > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > > > > > Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my logs > > > (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses look > > > weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed HTTP > > > header" (or something like that) in my error log. > > > > 211.236.188.150 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:04:43 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > ip44-137.asiaonline.net - - [19/Jul/2001:23:12:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > 212.113.168.95 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:32:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > > > Like these I take it? > > > > The same here from these guys... > > 213.26.234.70 > 209.223.50.51 > 207.101.212.130 > 212.163.165.26 > 65.3.198.239 > 198.145.154.193 > 211.62.36.37 > 211.172.225.63 > 202.123.80.2 > 150.164.98.130 > 24.184.153.172 > 133.66.35.7 > 62.49.221.130 > 210.160.177.165 > 12.76.115.253 > 149.169.25.4 > 193.183.19.90 > 66.46.75.98 Yeah, tons more, and it seems somewhere my provider has a broken IIS box: seugling.ne.mediaone.net > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 I ponder about this and tried some perl to decode it, but all I got was crap, is there something about it? :) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 19 16:54:19 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (Rudie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01071916542003.01281@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 19 July 2001 04:51 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:37:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > > > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > > > > (and blocking port 80) > > > > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > > > > > Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my > > > logs (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses > > > look weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed > > > HTTP header" (or something like that) in my error log. > > > > 211.236.188.150 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:04:43 +0200] "GET > > /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u68 > >58%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000 > >%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" ip44-137.asiaonline.net - - > > [19/Jul/2001:23:12:21 +0200] "GET > > /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u68 > >58%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000 > >%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" 212.113.168.95 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:32:21 > > +0200] "GET > > /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN > >NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u68 > >58%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000 > >%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > > > Like these I take it? > > The same here from these guys... > > 213.26.234.70 > 209.223.50.51 > 207.101.212.130 > 212.163.165.26 > 65.3.198.239 > 198.145.154.193 > 211.62.36.37 > 211.172.225.63 > 202.123.80.2 > 150.164.98.130 > 24.184.153.172 > 133.66.35.7 > 62.49.221.130 > 210.160.177.165 > 12.76.115.253 > 149.169.25.4 > 193.183.19.90 > 66.46.75.98 I could add my own list..... Just proves how vulnerable windoze is. This is the last straw for me and my win server. Now I begin the uphill trek of migrating everything web related off my last windoze box and onto my linux server. (Newbie, been with linux for only a few short months) -Kevin > > florin From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 19 16:56:55 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (Rudie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 19 July 2001 04:54 pm, you wrote: > Needless to say, if you see these attacks coming from various > places, you should try to let them know they have been infected. > > dsc > A lot of time spent looking up IP's, emailing sysadmins, and most of these appear to be on foreign soil. Only a few of these on my list have been here in the states > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 17:11:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain>; from rudie@sihope.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:56:55PM -0500 References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> Quoting Rudie (rudie@sihope.com): > On Thursday 19 July 2001 04:54 pm, you wrote: > > Needless to say, if you see these attacks coming from various > > places, you should try to let them know they have been infected. > > > > dsc > > > A lot of time spent looking up IP's, emailing sysadmins, and most of these > appear to be on foreign soil. > Only a few of these on my list have been here in the states Just ride it out. The IPs are overseas because it makes it even harder to resolve any problems. You got time difference, language difference, cultural differences and let's face it, many countries just do not like the US so they don't want to help. To top it all off, the source address are probably spoofed. Just another reason NOT to run IIS in my opinion. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sos at zjod.net Thu Jul 19 17:12:03 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> from "Florin Iucha" at Jul 19, 2001 04:51:51 PM Message-ID: <200107192212.RAA02286@zjod.net> Mike Horwath has a current posting in Usenet's mn.general on this problem. Turns out, GETs with "?" in them lock up the router (as I recall). Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:37:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:28:52PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:23:27PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:16:42PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > > > > > Is anybody else running a firewall > > > > > (and blocking port 80) > > > > > noticing an unusual number of attacks today? > > > > > > Hmmmm. I'm seeing a lot of weird requests for "default.ida" in my logs > > > (I'm running a web server and not blocking port 80). The accesses look > > > weird, too...from a bunch of different IPs. I also have "Malformed HTTP > > > header" (or something like that) in my error log. > > > > 211.236.188.150 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:04:43 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > ip44-137.asiaonline.net - - [19/Jul/2001:23:12:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > 212.113.168.95 - - [19/Jul/2001:23:32:21 +0200] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 333 "-" "-" > > > > Like these I take it? > > > > The same here from these guys... > > 213.26.234.70 > 209.223.50.51 > 207.101.212.130 > 212.163.165.26 > 65.3.198.239 > 198.145.154.193 > 211.62.36.37 > 211.172.225.63 > 202.123.80.2 > 150.164.98.130 > 24.184.153.172 > 133.66.35.7 > 62.49.221.130 > 210.160.177.165 > 12.76.115.253 > 149.169.25.4 > 193.183.19.90 > 66.46.75.98 > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 17:20:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <200107192212.RAA02286@zjod.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Mike Horwath has a current posting in Usenet's mn.general on this problem. > Turns out, GETs with "?" in them lock up the router (as I recall). on a cisco 675, that is.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 19 17:27:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010720000113.P45212@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:01:13AM +0200 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> <20010720000113.P45212@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010719172735.A4705@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:01:13AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > I ponder about this and tried some perl to decode it, but all I got > was crap, is there something about it? :) I don't know what you are looking for, it's just the fingerprint of my public key :) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sos at zjod.net Thu Jul 19 17:29:44 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: from "Nate Carlson" at Jul 19, 2001 05:20:31 PM Message-ID: <200107192229.RAA02394@zjod.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Mike Horwath has a current posting in Usenet's mn.general on this problem. > > Turns out, GETs with "?" in them lock up the router (as I recall). > > on a cisco 675, that is.. yes. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 17:38:02 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719172735.A4705@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:27:35PM -0500 References: <3b574e3a.104c.0@isd.net> <20010719232327.M45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172852.A23337@lemongecko.org> <20010719233713.N45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719165151.A2807@beaver.iucha.org> <20010720000113.P45212@io.stderr.net> <20010719172735.A4705@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010720003802.Q45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:27:35PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:01:13AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > I ponder about this and tried some perl to decode it, but all I got > > was crap, is there something about it? :) > > I don't know what you are looking for, it's just the fingerprint of my public > key :) *DOH* :) Never know what people put in their signatures, I just didn't imagine it would be that ;) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 19 17:31:35 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (Rudie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <200107192229.RAA02394@zjod.net> References: <200107192229.RAA02394@zjod.net> Message-ID: <01071917313507.01281@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 19 July 2001 05:29 pm, you wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > Mike Horwath has a current posting in Usenet's mn.general on this > > > problem. Turns out, GETs with "?" in them lock up the router (as I > > > recall). > > > > on a cisco 675, that is.. > > yes. On any version of CBOS, or what? I am running CBOS 2.4.1 myself > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 17:47:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> Word on DalNet #linux at the moment, is that number of comprimised hosts exceeds 20,000 (twenty-thousand). I think this is the Big Red One... Nice work, folks. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 18:06:08 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: <20010719180608.A26055@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> (Idiot) Ben, I have to say, Gentoo rocks! Actually, I haven't used it yet. I'm in the process of installing it. And, I'm using the machine that I'm install it on right this moment! The install CD has everything, even ssh! I ifconfig-ed up my interface, set my route and ssh-ed out to a box to send this mail! /me is elated! Even if you don't install gentoo, the install CD would make a _great_ rescue disk :) Every one has to at least give Gentoo a try. The installation's a bit raw, but their installation instructions are good. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 18:04:54 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <01071917313507.01281@localhost.localdomain> References: <200107192229.RAA02394@zjod.net> <01071917313507.01281@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010719180454.05ce8521.blayer@qwest.net> Hi, On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:31:35 -0500 "Rudie" wrote: > On any version of CBOS, or what? > I am running CBOS 2.4.1 myself IIRC, that problem with HTTP GET requests wsa solved in all versions of CBOS > 2.3.0. Anyway, what are you doing with WEB enabled on that 675? #set web disabled #write #reboot It's also smart to shut down TELNET, and just use the serial management cable. Much harder for unfriendlies to tinker with it then ;) #set telnet disabled #write #reboot -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 19 18:16:29 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20010719180608.A26055@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 06:06:08PM -0500 References: <20010719180608.A26055@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010720011628.R45212@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 06:06:08PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > (Idiot) Ben, I have to say, Gentoo rocks! Actually, I haven't used it yet. > I'm in the process of installing it. And, I'm using the machine that I'm > install it on right this moment! The install CD has everything, even ssh! > I ifconfig-ed up my interface, set my route and ssh-ed out to a box to send > this mail! /me is elated! > > Even if you don't install gentoo, the install CD would make a _great_ > rescue disk :) > > Every one has to at least give Gentoo a try. The installation's a bit raw, > but their installation instructions are good. I too looked at it after Ben's mail and it looks pretty good. Anyone can produce some cd's for next beermeeting? -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From ej010005 at ann.skypoint.net Thu Jul 19 18:19:27 2001 From: ej010005 at ann.skypoint.net (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20010719180608.A26055@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: I'm quite impressed with the story behind Gentoo and how it was developed. You can read the article on IBM's developerworks website (http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dist1.html). I'm in the process of installing it as well. Jon On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > (Idiot) Ben, I have to say, Gentoo rocks! Actually, I haven't used it yet. > I'm in the process of installing it. And, I'm using the machine that I'm > install it on right this moment! The install CD has everything, even ssh! > I ifconfig-ed up my interface, set my route and ssh-ed out to a box to send > this mail! /me is elated! > > Even if you don't install gentoo, the install CD would make a _great_ > rescue disk :) > > Every one has to at least give Gentoo a try. The installation's a bit raw, > but their installation instructions are good. > > Gabe > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu > SGI Origin Systems Administrator, > University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute > for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Thu Jul 19 18:09:57 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:47:47PM -0500 References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010719180957.A16658@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:47:47PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > Word on DalNet #linux at the moment, is that number of comprimised hosts > exceeds 20,000 (twenty-thousand). I think this is the Big Red One... The article on CNet says something about all infections use the same list. I didn't have any of the same IPs as the other person that posted his list of probes. Maybe I'm not getting hit enough to notice. FYI, my list: 216.57.12.25 195.116.217.45 203.237.218.201 160.111.103.41 216.114.5.178 195.6.173.42 202.3.184.111 65.10.223.65 63.96.91.10 63.85.68.204 24.128.236.242 208.168.93.234 200.210.27.252 193.243.207.122 65.65.14.17 211.197.64.77 216.23.39.148 Nate From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Jul 19 19:14:03 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15191.30667.587387.933462@evoq.mwagner.org> Timothy Wilson writes: > Hey everyone, > > I'm trying to use a few Rewrite rules on my Apache server. The configuration > *looks* good, but no URLs are being rewritten. There's an empty rewrite_log > in the directory that I specified. There are no errors reported when I > restart apache. > > Here's the section from httpd.conf: > > #IP 208.42.140.222 > ServerName www.qwerk.org > DocumentRoot /var/www > > RewriteEngine On > RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log" > RewriteLogLevel 3 > #RewriteRule ^/mailman/ - [L] > #RewriteRule ^/webalizer/ - [L] > #RewriteRule ^/~(.*) - [L] > RewriteRule > ^/(.*) http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.qwerk.org:80/Wilson/VirtualHostRoot/$1 > [P] > > > > That last rewrite rule is for my Zope installation on my server at home. Up > until now I've used proxy_pass, but I'm experimenting. (It's all one line in > the httpd.conf file.) > > Is there a way that I can force something to be written in the > rewrite_log? How can I confirm whether the Rewrite Engine is > actually on? Tim, Your above configuration works perfectly for me. It seems that your rewrite module is not being loaded. Make sure you have these two lines at the top of your httpd.conf (where the other modules are loaded): LoadModule rewrite_module libexec/mod_rewrite.so AddModule mod_rewrite.c To confirm whether or not mod_rewrite is loaded, you can view your 'server-info': http://www.qwerk.org/server-info You will then get a page listing all the modules loaded into your server, for instance: Apache Server Information Server Settings, mod_php4.c, mod_rewrite.c, mod_proxy.c, mod_info.c, mod_status.c, mod_setenvif.c, mod_so.c, mod_auth.c, mod_alias.c, mod_userdir.c, mod_actions.c, mod_imap.c, mod_asis.c, mod_cgi.c, mod_dir.c, mod_autoindex.c, mod_include.c, mod_negotiation.c, mod_mime.c, mod_env.c, mod_log_config.c, mod_access.c, http_core.c Again, to be able to use 'server-info', you must be loading the mod_info module in the same fashion as I write above for mod_rewrite. In addition, you must have a location handler like this somewhere in your httpd.conf: SetHandler server-info order deny,allow deny from all allow from .qwerk.org Save conf file, HUP your server, and Enjoy! :) Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From andy at theasis.com Thu Jul 19 19:21:52 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719233816.O45212@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: > > Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer > > overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and > > are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. > > > > The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at > > http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 > > http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/headline.html?id=12004 http://www.msnbc.com/news/602036.asp?cp1=1 Andy From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 19 19:27:25 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (Rudie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719180454.05ce8521.blayer@qwest.net> References: <200107192229.RAA02394@zjod.net> <01071917313507.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719180454.05ce8521.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01071919272508.01281@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 19 July 2001 06:04 pm, you wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:31:35 -0500 > > "Rudie" wrote: > > On any version of CBOS, or what? > > I am running CBOS 2.4.1 myself > > IIRC, that problem with HTTP GET requests wsa solved in all versions of > CBOS > 2.3.0. Anyway, what are you doing with WEB enabled on that 675? > > #set web disabled > #write > #reboot > > It's also smart to shut down TELNET, and just use the serial management > cable. Much harder for unfriendlies to tinker with it then ;) > > #set telnet disabled > #write > #reboot > > > -.bill.layer.- Thanx for the advice. Much appreciated. -Kevin From john at mn.mediaone.net Thu Jul 19 18:53:04 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding another computer to a network In-Reply-To: <3B56241F.19FDBC09@fandre.com> Message-ID: Thanks Clay, According to the software that came with the card, the card is set to irq 11 and ne was using a setting of 3. I unloaded the module (ne) and reloaded it using io=0x300 and irq=11. I can now ping the other computers on the network. Now if I can just get through the gateway, more reading. On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > johndmiller wrote: > > > > I have just installed Caldera on an old p100 machine. I have a D-Link > > DE-220P and am using the ne and 8390 modules. I have assigned it the > > address of 192.168.0.4 and am able to ping itself. I have a hosts file > > listing the other computers on the network as well as its self. I have > > also added it to the hosts file of the other Linux machine. route has an > > entry for 192.168.0.0 as well as 127.0.0.0. > > > > Anyone have an idea what I am overlooking? > > Are you saying you can't ping anything except the localhost? Can other > machines ping your machine? Has the NIC ever worked? Are you sure you > have the correct setting for the NIC? I have had problems with ne2000 > cards when I give it the incorrect IRQ. The card is detected fine, but I > can't send anything in or out. Maybe something to check. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 20:30:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Bill Layer" wrote: > > Word on DalNet #linux at the moment, is that number of comprimised hosts > exceeds 20,000 (twenty-thousand). I think this is the Big Red One... > > Nice work, folks. ZDNet and CNet (are they the same company now? I forget) are reporting over 100,000 at the moment. Two interesting tidbits floating around on Slashdot: It sounds like the servers will start flooding www.whitehouse.gov tomorrow (the 20th) and not today (makes sense, since the site is still up). I haven't gotten any more connection attempts since 7 PM (0000 GMT, July 20). Of course, the worm could be broken. Additionally, it sounds like DSL routers can get knocked out even if the web interface is disabled. I guess the port is still open or something (I don't have one, so I can't test..) As mentioned here previously, upgrading CBOS should fix it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Money can't buy / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ happiness, or Linux. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Coincidence? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010719/86c9a038/attachment.pgp From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Jul 19 20:34:45 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <01071919272508.01281@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: According to the buzz on /., that won't help. You have to upgrade the CBOS. Otherwise you have to power cycle it every time it gets hit... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Rudie |Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:27 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 | | |On Thursday 19 July 2001 06:04 pm, you wrote: |> Hi, |> |> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:31:35 -0500 |> |> "Rudie" wrote: |> > On any version of CBOS, or what? |> > I am running CBOS 2.4.1 myself |> |> IIRC, that problem with HTTP GET requests wsa solved in all versions of |> CBOS > 2.3.0. Anyway, what are you doing with WEB enabled on that 675? |> |> #set web disabled |> #write |> #reboot |> |> It's also smart to shut down TELNET, and just use the serial management |> cable. Much harder for unfriendlies to tinker with it then ;) |> |> #set telnet disabled |> #write |> #reboot |> |> |> -.bill.layer.- |Thanx for the advice. |Much appreciated. |-Kevin |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Jul 19 20:50:25 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01071920502501.05701@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 19 July 2001 20:30, thus spake Mike Hicks: > Additionally, it sounds like DSL routers can get knocked out even if the > web interface is disabled. I guess the port is still open or something > (I don't have one, so I can't test..) As mentioned here previously, > upgrading CBOS should fix it. Sorry for coming late into this thread. Has anyone already mentioned *how* to upgrade their CBOS? Mine's never been upgraded, so I'm at v2.3.5.012. Dave - ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="US-ASCII"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: - ---------------------------------------- - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7V45hOiMJhTaLf3MRAiW1AJ9WDVAn117PGld70bAX1wbTyTVbKACfcTbN T8XbAS+nU2AL3yOKMcIVWrw= =YIW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wilson at visi.com Thu Jul 19 20:50:50 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, James Spinti wrote: > According to the buzz on /., that won't help. You have to upgrade the CBOS. > Otherwise you have to power cycle it every time it gets hit... Anyone got a link for downloading the latest and greatest CBOS? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 19 21:02:14 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:30:27PM -0500 References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719210214.A32323@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:30:27PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Bill Layer" wrote: > > > > Word on DalNet #linux at the moment, is that number of comprimised hosts > > exceeds 20,000 (twenty-thousand). I think this is the Big Red One... > > > > Nice work, folks. > > ZDNet and CNet (are they the same company now? I forget) are reporting > over 100,000 at the moment. > > Two interesting tidbits floating around on Slashdot: It sounds like the > servers will start flooding www.whitehouse.gov tomorrow (the 20th) and not > today (makes sense, since the site is still up). I haven't gotten any > more connection attempts since 7 PM (0000 GMT, July 20). Of course, the > worm could be broken. > > Additionally, it sounds like DSL routers can get knocked out even if the > web interface is disabled. I guess the port is still open or something (I > don't have one, so I can't test..) As mentioned here previously, > upgrading CBOS should fix it. I have a web server behind a Cisco 675 with CBOS 2.4.1 and I'm just fine. I have the port 80 on the external IP translated in the port 80 on the internal`www server (running OpenBSD 2.9 on Sparc). florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Jul 19 21:11:06 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 21:29:04 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010719212904.402ead2a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "James Spinti" wrote: > [snip] > To actually get the firmware you have to get it from your DSL line > provider (Qwest, in my case), and Qwest couldn't care less about > security with respect to home users, so they've never bothered to offer > fixed versions of CBOS. ...and in a reply to that comment was this link: http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/win675ups.html Looks like you need to extract the file somehow, then use the serial interface to upload the new code. The command appears to be `set download code', and it needs to be sent via the XModem protocol, so minicom or another terminal emulation program is required. They have some stuff on the page for a `Commander Software installation' Not sure what that is, if you need it, etc. Again, I don't have a DSL connection, so read the page yourself, and take any advice from me only after going to a rural grocery and picking up a large salt lick. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Happiness is a cluster of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ eight Sun Enterprise \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) 10000s [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010719/c7cff91d/attachment.pgp From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 22:56:40 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:30:27PM -0500 References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> <20010719174747.6af761e6.blayer@qwest.net> <20010719203027.5a8f91a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010719225640.A7311@squall.localdomain> > Additionally, it sounds like DSL routers can get knocked out even if the > web interface is disabled. I guess the port is still open or something (I > don't have one, so I can't test..) As mentioned here previously, > upgrading CBOS should fix it. I can confirm this. My 675 was down when I got home from work. I have the web interface disabled. Running CBOS 2.2.something-or-other, IIRC. Though, Florin's comments make me think I should have upgraded to 2.4.1 :) Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 19 23:09:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Media for DDS3 drives Message-ID: <20010719230910.250b0427.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I have a new tape drive in transit to me at the moment, a 4mm DDS3 drive capable of 12/24 GB. However, I don't have any media, and I'm wondering if there are good places to pick it up in the Cities. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ (A)bort, (R)etry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (I)nfluence with large \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) hammer [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010719/d5b0cb1e/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 19 23:12:30 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco675 Web Vulnerability & upgrades (was: Lots of denied packets. Port 80) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010719231230.5c7240f9.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:50:50 -0500 (CDT) "Timothy Wilson" wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > According to the buzz on /., that won't help. You have to upgrade the CBOS. > > Otherwise you have to power cycle it every time it gets hit... Interesting, the old known vulnerability of the 675 was any HTTP GET request would hang the router, this coincidental vulnerability seems to be a new one... > Anyone got a link for downloading the latest and greatest CBOS? I upgraded my CBOS to 2.4.1 about 6 or 7 weeks ago, and I sent a post to the list detailing the exact procedure to upgrade using tftp. Here is a clip of that little HOW-TO: First, while Cisco and Qwest both claim that Xmodem works over the serial port, I was not able to get it working with Minicom, using the same settings that normally allow me to operate the 675's serial console. Just errored out every time I tried, so I gave up on it. Second, the CAP/DMT firmware is *not* related to the CBOS, so a change of CBOS version is irrelevant to this. CAP/DMT is seperate firmware. The easy & fast way to upgrade the CBOS (the latest version I found was 2.4.1, so I used it) is via tftp. The drill goes like this: (IMPORTANT NOTE: I assume that the 675 is ip 10.0.0.1, and the client used to send the upgrade is 10.0.0.2. Adjust as required for your network.) Log into CBOS over the serial cable, enter enable mode. #set tftp enabled #set tftp remote 10.0.0.2 (this may be optional, but I set it the address of my desktop. This forces the 675 tftp to only accept tftp connects from a single host (security)). Now, from the client machine 10.0.0.2, and assuming you have downloaded CBOS 2.4.1 as filename 'nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin': $mv nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr $tftp 10.0.0.1 69 tftp>mode binary tftp>put nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr tftp>quit Back to the CBOS serial console on more time: #set tftp disabled #reboot The modem should reboot, check a bunch of checksums, *then* it flashes the EEPROM, reboots again and wakes up with the new version. You shouldn't have to touch any of your NVRAM settings, but if they are ugly, log into the serial console, enter enable mode and do: #set nvram erase #write #reboot Then you may configure the unit as if factory-fresh; ppp passwords and all... (End.) I still have a 675, I have web disabled, and I have NAT redirecting port 80 requests to my webserver. I have seen at least 30 of these attacks today, and the 675 hasn't batted an eye. All appears well... You can get the CBOS 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 (Latest, AFAIK) for the 675 from me, at this address: http://frogtown.dynu.com/UserX/nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr http://frogtown.dynu.com/UserX/nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 00:59:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:50:50PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > According to the buzz on /., that won't help. You have to upgrade the CBOS. > > Otherwise you have to power cycle it every time it gets hit... > > Anyone got a link for downloading the latest and greatest CBOS? Ok, this problem is way out of hand, so I'm putting the latest CBOS online here: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner Since Qwest is total clueless on handling this sort of problem and refused my request to put the upgrade up on their site, I'll do it myself. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 01:09:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2nd post: Alternatives to MAPS? Message-ID: <20010720010917.A15536@real-time.com> Any free alternatives to MAPS? I have not gotten an answer to what defines a user from MAPS. If the cost is $50 per 1,000 user and that means someone subscribed to a mailing list, then Real Time will have no choice but to allow spammers to abuse our mailing list server. It's just too expensive for us to pay for it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jul 20 01:15:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> References: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720011512.69cc936c.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:59:34 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > Since Qwest is total clueless on handling this sort of problem and refused my > request to put the upgrade up on their site, I'll do it myself. err, already did that.. check my previous post Bob ;) But two is better than one, right? I also included full instructions for upgrading via tftp. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 01:22:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010720011512.69cc936c.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:15:12AM -0500 References: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> <20010720011512.69cc936c.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010720012247.C15536@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:59:34 -0500 > "Bob Tanner" wrote: > > > Since Qwest is total clueless on handling this sort of problem and > refused my > > request to put the upgrade up on their site, I'll do it myself. > > err, already did that.. check my previous post Bob ;) But two is better > than one, right? > > I also included full instructions for upgrading via tftp. I cross-posted to Real Time's internal mailing list as well. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 20 01:25:34 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2nd post: Alternatives to MAPS? In-Reply-To: <20010720010917.A15536@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0500 References: <20010720010917.A15536@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720082533.A68588@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any free alternatives to MAPS? > > I have not gotten an answer to what defines a user from MAPS. > > If the cost is $50 per 1,000 user and that means someone subscribed to a mailing > list, then Real Time will have no choice but to allow spammers to abuse our > mailing list server. It's just too expensive for us to pay for it. Have you checked out any of the new orbs-wannabees? (if you can call them that). I know the guys behind ordb.org and they're really enthusiastic about it. They've already gotten a deal with the largest Internet provider in Denmark about them hosting some of their relay-nameservers. So far they should have almost 80K relays in their database (from daily irc dumps from one of the guys behind it). -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jul 20 01:31:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010720012247.C15536@real-time.com> References: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> <20010720011512.69cc936c.blayer@qwest.net> <20010720012247.C15536@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720013112.4f73ae5f.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:22:47 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > I cross-posted to Real Time's internal mailing list as well. Bob, just what are you doing up at this hour? :p Personally, I'm listening to Art Bell online... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jul 20 02:47:40 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT].sdm In-Reply-To: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010720.7474000@linwin.mshome.net> This heat is a savage killer of electronic components. Also, the dust that collects in these vacuum cleaners (besides being a blanket) is a sponge for high humidity. I regularly take a shop air compressor to the mobo, power supply, and drives. The power supply and floppy can hold a lot of dust. Monitors, are also vulnerable to this heat and humidity. Sadly, once the transistors are heat damaged there is no fix. An exploded capacitor or burnt resistor can sometimes be spotted in the bigger circuits. If, however, it is just the boot sequence that fails, a new battery and reflash of the CMOS bios might do the trick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/19/01, 8:44:13 AM, Jim Crumley wrote regarding [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT].sdm: > So here's a situation for the hardware doctors in the house. > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was > that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 > (IRQ 3?) while boot, but after booting everything worked fine > after booting (including the modem which I think is on IRQ 3). > Next boot, the sytem wouldn't come on at first. When I hit the > power the drive LEDs came on, but no boot messages went to the > screen. Also, the normal boot sounds didn't occur ( beeps, checking > floppy drive, hard disk searching, etc.) I hit the power again, > waited a couple of minutes, when I turned it on it booted and worked > fine (though the IO warning was still there). Then, the last couple > of times I tried to turn it on, it didn't work at all (it acted > just like the other time). > At first I thought the problems might be heat related since > I have no AC, but I tried this morning when the temp was below > 80, and still no luck. > So any hints on what I should try? Is it probably my motherboard? > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jul 20 02:59:49 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers?.sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010720.7594900@linwin.mshome.net> Radio Shack has a surprising amount of electronics supplies and books. Get a copy of their big catalog. Most stores don't stock the stuff but they will order it for you. Some stuff is of a very professional grade with embedded CPUs, fiber optics, data loggers, and the books to explain them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/19/01, 9:22:42 AM, Yaron wrote regarding [TCLUG] OT: Electronics Hackers?.sdm: > Hey, > Ok, my knowledge off electronics is enough for me to know how to replace > LEDs on my machine when they die or are too boring. But that's pretty much > it (ie, I can solder somewhat, and I know how to reconnect wires). > When I was at The Shack getting new LEDs, I saw one of those LED-Basr > things (you know, thing that has 8 LEDs in a row) and I thought, wouldn't > it be cool to put that on and geet a Knight Rider thing going when the > power was on? Or when the HDD gets accessed? Now, I know enough THEORY to > know that you need something that'll take the power in from one LED and, > uh, round-robin it between 8 LEDs. I know how to tell DNS to do that, but > not real hardware. > I know a lot of people on the list are electronics geeks (what's happening > with the analog RAM meter, btw?) so I figured I'd ask. Is there like a > Beginner's Guide to Hacking Electronics website or something? > TIA, > -Yaron > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jul 20 04:14:07 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 References: Message-ID: <3B57F65F.3D5B53BA@haxxed.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer > > > overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and > > > are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. > > > > > > The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at > > > http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 > > > > http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/headline.html?id=12004 > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/602036.asp?cp1=1 And of course last but not least a real in depth technical explination of what codered is, what it does, and how it spreads instead of newsflash fluff. ;P http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AL20010717.html Cute. Whoever wrote it knew their win32. The stuff in the GET line is just a boostrap, the real worm code is in the rest of the HTTP request, and thus not logged. I've written me a CGI to grab the complete virus next time I get hit. Heh. I've gotten 21 attempts so far. From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Fri Jul 20 00:58:32 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 Message-ID: <200107200558.f6K5wWl05108@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Well I have only about 20 requests so far but they come from all over the place some from europe some from asia some from very well known us sites(bellsouth, ohio university, juno). By the way....very nice article. Jason >andy@theasis.com wrote: >> >> > > Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer >> > > overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and >> > > are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. >> > > >> > > The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at >> > > http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 >> > >> > http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/headline.html?id=12004 >> >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/602036.asp?cp1=1 > >And of course last but not least a real in depth technical explination >of what codered is, what it does, and how it spreads instead of >newsflash fluff. ;P > >http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AL20010717.html > >Cute. Whoever wrote it knew their win32. The stuff in the GET line is >just a boostrap, the real worm code is in the rest of the HTTP request, >and thus not logged. I've written me a CGI to grab the complete virus >next time I get hit. Heh. > >I've gotten 21 attempts so far. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Jul 20 07:33:18 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2nd post: Alternatives to MAPS? In-Reply-To: <20010720010917.A15536@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0500 References: <20010720010917.A15536@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720073318.A7594@squall.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any free alternatives to MAPS? > > I have not gotten an answer to what defines a user from MAPS. > > If the cost is $50 per 1,000 user and that means someone subscribed to a mailing > list, then Real Time will have no choice but to allow spammers to abuse our > mailing list server. It's just too expensive for us to pay for it. I agree that they're being... slow.. to respond. I sent them an email asking them if they were going to be providing free contracts to .edus (since it said non-profits, though at their discretion) in their press release. That was about a week ago. I haven't heard anything from them. *sigh* Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kblack at isd.net Fri Jul 20 07:37:16 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port 80 IIS Worm Code Red Message-ID: <3b5825fc.2277.0@isd.net> Thanks for the info all, It seems that the drones have subsided the attacking for now and I am not seeing any more attacks in the logs. I am glad to see that MS has decided to go for an "Open Development" of security testing of the products they make by just releasing them and letting that team on the I-net check 'em out. I thought the reason people bought the "Commercial" product was to have the knowledge that it was secured via obscurity? Oh well, enough for now. 73's Kelly Black KB0GBJ From destef at destef.com Fri Jul 20 08:11:43 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Media for DDS3 drives In-Reply-To: <20010719230910.250b0427.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200107201310.f6KDASM27961@ernie.destef.com> I usually order them but i think Microcenter in golden valley has them. At 11:09 PM 7/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have a new tape drive in transit to me at the moment, a 4mm DDS3 drive >capable of 12/24 GB. However, I don't have any media, and I'm wondering >if there are good places to pick it up in the Cities. > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ (A)bort, (R)etry, >/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (I)nfluence with large >\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) hammer >[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 20 08:27:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:11:35PM -0500 References: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> <01071916565504.01281@localhost.localdomain> <20010719171135.T6394@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720082744.A27798@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:11:35PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > To top it all off, the source address are probably spoofed. I don't think that's so likely. HTTP reqests go over TCP, so spoofing the address would have to involve TCP sequence prediction. Given that this worm exclusively targets IIS, why would the writer bother to include sufficient complexity to do sequence prediction on Linux when something Windows-specific would be significantly easier? Also, if the theory that the deterministic set of "random" addresses was chosen such that one of them is the author's IP so that he'll know which machines are infected is correct, spoofing would defeat the purpose. (OTOH, maybe that's why I've only seen 30 of these requests instead of several thousand. I suppose there could have been thousands of attempts to infect my apache, but it only followed a Redmondian sequence progression 30 times...) -- It's as if we outlawed cars on the principle that they could be used to help crooks escape from bank robberies. - Dan Gillmore on the DMCA From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 20 08:27:50 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dying Computer [OT] In-Reply-To: <20010719102332.4b7b8c21.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:23:32AM -0500 References: <20010719084413.A9855@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20010719102332.4b7b8c21.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010720082750.A11312@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:23:32AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:44:13 -0500 > "Jim Crumley" wrote: > > > My Pentium 200 MMX at home seems to be dying. The first warning was > > that I got an error message about a possible IO conflict on 2F8 > > (IRQ 3?) while boot, > > First thing that comes to mind, especially in light of the machine's age, > is a bad CMOS battery. If the battery failed, the machine would tend to > reset the CMOS parameters to default - which would in turn enable both > serial ports and create the IO conflict you are seeing. The settings could > also simply have been corrupted by a marginal battery, with some > parameters such that the system doesn't want to boot (RAM wait states, > etc). > > Test the CMOS battery with a voltmeter - it should be 3 volts or so. If > not, replace it, reset the CMOS to the 'most compatible' defaults, and see > how things go. Bill, you nailed it! The CMOS battery was completely dead - no deflection whatsoever on the old volt meter. Popped in a new one, fiddled with the CMOS settings a little, and now all is well (as well as can be expected on a Pentium 200 ). Thanks to all who replied. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sbernsen at innoveda.com Fri Jul 20 09:24:49 2001 From: sbernsen at innoveda.com (Seth Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE References: <3B5730B7.3A8B76C4@innoveda.com> <20010719143254.R19001@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B583F31.B208B32C@innoveda.com> Thanks for your helpful info! I thought I would give you an update. My system was hacked. I spent the better part of last evening purging the intruder. He gave himself a lot of back doors, some I probably didn't find, but as best as I can tell he: - installed a bunch of scripts in /dev/.lib (which he created). Including such names as hack.sh and probe.sh. He was looking for other machines with the same weekness as mine. - setup two accounts for himself, one with root privileges, of course. - Added two entries to inetd.conf, one that runs a shell and the other ran a program he installed in /sbin. - installed a bunch of stuff in /tmp Anyway, to be safe I reinstalled the system and patched bind. Seth Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:10:47PM -0500, Seth Bernsen wrote: > > With this message I'm sure to unleash a maelstrom of critisism, but here > > goes anyway. I have a RH6.2 machine hooked up on the internet. It's > > pretty much configured out of the box, no patches. > > Ouch... How old is 6.2? (Aren't they on 7.1 now? Or was that just my > imagination?) > > > >Please keep me aprised of any actions taken against this offender. I find > > >this matter to be serious and would appreciate something being done in an > > >expedient manner. > > Based on the provided information, he's nuts. Unless he has logs showing > that a specific exploit was attempted, there's no evidence that it wasn't > just a legitimate, but misdirected, DNS request. > > > My question is, what is a DNS PORT PROBE? Does that just mean that a > > program requested service of his computer on port number 53? > > Probably. > > > If so, > > what's so wrong with that? > > Nothing. > > > Also, does the fact that this request came > > from my computer mean someone has broken in and is attempting > > connections from my computer? > > No. DNS uses UDP, which makes is very easy to forge a source address. > However, if I were you, I'd take a hard look at the system to see > whether there is any evidence of intrusion, then upgrade to the lastest > version of $DISTRO and apply all available security patches. No sense > in leaving the door wide open. > > -- > It's as if we outlawed cars on the principle that they could be used > to help crooks escape from bank robberies. - Dan Gillmore on the DMCA > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Seth Bernsen V-CPU Engineer Innoveda, Inc. Phone: 651-765-2252 Fax: 651-765-2205 http://www.innoveda.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 09:39:15 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE In-Reply-To: <3B583F31.B208B32C@innoveda.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > Anyway, to be safe I reinstalled the system and patched bind. FINALLY! An intelligent response after a system has been cracked! :) I _hate_ the mentality of 'oh, let's just leave it alone'.. stupid freekin idiots! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 09:43:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:59:34AM -0500 References: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720094348.A20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:59:34AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > > > According to the buzz on /., that won't help. You have to upgrade the CBOS. > > > Otherwise you have to power cycle it every time it gets hit... > > > > Anyone got a link for downloading the latest and greatest CBOS? > > Ok, this problem is way out of hand, so I'm putting the latest CBOS online > here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner Thanks, Bob! florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 09:47:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch recommendations In-Reply-To: <20010719145333.B10022@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720094709.P12165@ringworld.org> * Amy Tanner [010719 15:05]: > looking for recommendations on managed switch that supports vlan for around > $1000. ths. Cisco 2924XL. Use no substutions. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 10:07:08 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE In-Reply-To: <3B583F31.B208B32C@innoveda.com> Message-ID: > Anyway, to be safe I reinstalled the system and patched bind. Good! But don't stop there. Red Hat 6.2 had other serious security issues. Install all the updates (run up2date, download everything in the updates directory and run rpm -U [did redhat retire updates in favor of up2date? Don't see it on their ftp...] or upgrade to 7.1 [or is 7.2 the latest, Debian junkie here that doesn't follow Red Hat.]) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 20 10:07:23 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS PORT PROBE In-Reply-To: <3B583F31.B208B32C@innoveda.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Seth Bernsen wrote: > > Anyway, to be safe I reinstalled the system and patched bind. > > Seth BRAVO! After a hack, always always ALWAYS format and reinstall. Now, you patched sendmail too, right? and you've set up a nice tight firewall with ipchains, right? and you've switched to SSH and SFTP, right? and you've shut down all unneccesary services, right? :-) And, while you're at it, you might want to consider a kernel upgrade so you can use those new fangled IP tables too. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 20 10:23:40 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <200107192154.QAA29307@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > Needless to say, if you see these attacks coming from various > places, you should try to let them know they have been infected. > > dsc I'd consider this general netiquette, but in some cases it's hard to do. For instance, any time I receive a virus via e-mail (Pine is the *ULTIMATE* anti-virus, btw) I try to contact the person by phone or e-mail to let them know they've been infected and I usually send them the link at sarc.com that goes into detail about the virus. In this case, it'd be a LOT of work since this worm is so wide spread. You'd spend hours tracking down the admin e-mail addresses for each IP and so forth. Chances are if a sysadmin is infected, they already figured it out. -Brian From isla0005 at umn.edu Fri Jul 20 11:02:02 2001 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time Message-ID: <200107201602.LAA14582@www4.mail.umn.edu> Hi guys! Do you know how I can change the system time in freeBSD4.1 ? (I would like to overwrite the time it gets from cmos) Thanks. Apu From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Jul 20 13:41:47 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 References: <200107200558.f6K5wWl05108@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <01b601c1114b$a1e344d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> When are people going to stop using built-in and/or static arrays in network daemons? Haven't we seen enough array overrun attacks? Every one of them could have been prevented by simple coding practices. For example, using a string class! I stopped using built-in and static arrays years ago and I don't even write network daemons. I stopped using them simply because they are a proven source of bugs, bugs, bugs, nasty bugs. Am I insane? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 > Well I have only about 20 requests so far but they come from all over the place > some from europe some from asia some from very well known us sites(bellsouth, > ohio university, juno). By the way....very nice article. > > Jason > >andy@theasis.com wrote: > >> > >> > > Just a worm looking for copies of IIS and hoping to exploit a buffer > >> > > overflow. The requests start off with "GET /default.ida?NNNN..." and > >> > > are too large to be anything but a buffer overflow attempt. > >> > > > >> > > The only article I've been able to find about the worm is at > >> > > http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168003.html?&_ref=923747745 > >> > > >> > http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/headline.html?id=12004 > >> > >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/602036.asp?cp1=1 > > > >And of course last but not least a real in depth technical explination > >of what codered is, what it does, and how it spreads instead of > >newsflash fluff. ;P > > > >http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AL20010717.html > > > >Cute. Whoever wrote it knew their win32. The stuff in the GET line is > >just a boostrap, the real worm code is in the rest of the HTTP request, > >and thus not logged. I've written me a CGI to grab the complete virus > >next time I get hit. Heh. > > > >I've gotten 21 attempts so far. > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 20 12:20:37 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <200107201602.LAA14582@www4.mail.umn.edu>; from isla0005@umn.edu on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:02:02AM -0500 References: <200107201602.LAA14582@www4.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010720192037.A71678@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:02:02AM -0500, Mohammed W Islam wrote: > Hi guys! > > Do you know how I can change the system time in freeBSD4.1 ? (I would like > to overwrite the time it gets from cmos) I'd suggest using ntp.. or if you simply want to set it once: The command: date 8506131627 sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. (from man date) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From isla0005 at umn.edu Fri Jul 20 13:27:57 2001 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time Message-ID: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> I used %ntpdate localhost but I get the error "no server suitable for syncronyzation found ." maybe there is config file i need to modify ? How did you convert the timestamp ? I am looking for the stamp for july 20, 2001 2.00 pm . any clue ? On 20 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:02:02AM -0500, Mohammed W Islam wrote: > > Hi guys! > > > > Do you know how I can change the system time in freeBSD4.1 ? (I would like > > to overwrite the time it gets from cmos) > > I'd suggest using ntp.. > > or if you simply want to set it once: > > The command: > > date 8506131627 > > sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. > > (from man date) > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From isla0005 at umn.edu Fri Jul 20 13:33:53 2001 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time Message-ID: <200107201833.NAA07325@www7.mail.umn.edu> OK, I used ntpdate to sync it with freebsd.org . It's fine now. Thanks. On 20 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:02:02AM -0500, Mohammed W Islam wrote: > > Hi guys! > > > > Do you know how I can change the system time in freeBSD4.1 ? (I would like > > to overwrite the time it gets from cmos) > > I'd suggest using ntp.. > > or if you simply want to set it once: > > The command: > > date 8506131627 > > sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. > > (from man date) > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Jul 20 13:37:43 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] Message-ID: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomment Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, sim From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 20 13:43:38 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu>; from isla0005@umn.edu on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:27:57PM -0500 References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:27:57PM -0500, Mohammed W Islam wrote: > I used %ntpdate localhost but I get the error "no server suitable for > syncronyzation found ." maybe there is config file i need to modify ? > How did you convert the timestamp ? I am looking for the stamp for july 20, > 2001 2.00 pm . any clue ? instead of using localhost try using your school's ntp server? (I have no idea of where you'd find a ntp server around here) gps.dix.dk works for my machine located in Denmark. Timestamp: perl -MTime::Local -e 'print timelocal(0,0,14,20,7,01);' 998308800 Does that sound reasonable? -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 13:44:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 09:13:23PM -0500 References: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010720134405.E4461@real-time.com> > Second, what is the bare minimum commands needed for FTP? And by this I mean > what goes into the ftp structure. When I FTP to some anonymous servers, > there are these directories: > bin/ > etc/ > lib/ > pub/ > > and they are all empty execpt lib, which contains things like ld, libc, > libnsl, libnss_files, and libtermcap > > I thought you had to have things like ls and cd in bin for it to work.. > could I get away without having these libraries also? I seem to remember something about ProFTPd opening a link to the system 'ls' command (& others) before chrooting and listening on a port; so that way it didn't need it's own tree of commands. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Jul 20 15:57:11 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card Message-ID: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> I have a very unstable AMD K6-3 400 / Asus P5-A system and I suspect the problem is a conflict with the video card. Would anyone care to trade a comparable but sufficiently different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro 16MB? Note that the ATI video card came with my Intel based Dell and works just fine in it. It just doesn't work in my AMD system and I don't have another video card to try in it. Mike From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 20 13:49:18 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] In-Reply-To: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:37:43PM -0500 References: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010720134918.B12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomment > > Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > > http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > > Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > > Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, Well, the DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act which was passed a few years ago, and greatly tilts copyrights (among other things) in the favor of big corps. For a good discussion of this situation and the DMCA see: http://www.msnbc.com/news/602444.asp?0si=-&cp1=1 And for more coverage slashdot: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1332227&mode=nested Also, it looks like a slashdot reader is trying to organize a Free Dmitri protest Monday 11-1 at the Saint Paul Federal Courthouse at 316 N Robert Street downtown. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 20 13:56:26 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:43:38PM +0200 References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010720135625.C12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:43:38PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:27:57PM -0500, Mohammed W Islam wrote: > > I used %ntpdate localhost but I get the error "no server suitable for > > syncronyzation found ." maybe there is config file i need to modify ? > > How did you convert the timestamp ? I am looking for the stamp for july 20, > > 2001 2.00 pm . any clue ? > > instead of using localhost try using your school's ntp server? (I have > no idea of where you'd find a ntp server around here) For umn, try: ns.nts.umn.edu nss.nts.umn.edu -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 20 13:57:34 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] In-Reply-To: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:37:43PM -0500 References: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010720135734.G27798@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomment > > Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > > http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > > Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > > Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, DMCA: Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 1998 law which essentially banned reverse-engineering of encryption code, regardless of the purpose. Criminal penalties under DMCA were not enacted until last October. Dmitry Sklyarov: Russian software engineer who gave a talk at DefCon last weekend on the topic of security in Adobe's eBook products. Or, rather, the lack of security. (Some books were "encrypted" with ROT13...) Adobe didn't like this, so they told the FBI that he was disseminating information on how to circumvent encryption used to control access to a copyrighted work, which is illegal under the DMCA. On Monday morning, while preparing to return home to Russia, FBI agents arrested Dmitry in his hotel room. He is currently being held in Las Vegas without bail and will be taken to San Jose for a preliminary hearing, most likely within the next day or so. If convicted, he faces penalties up to 5 years in prison and/or a $500,000 fine. Of particular note is that the reverse engineering was done and the decryption software was written in Russia, where it is legal. Not only is Dmitry's work legal there, but Adobe's eBook software is in violation of Russian law as it does not allow the purchaser to make a backup copy. Alan Cox: Linux kernel developer who lives in Britain and is often involved in work on device drivers for proprietary hardware whose specs are not published and, therefore, must be reverse engineered. While I doubt that he is in any immediate danger of a DMCA-related arrest, he's making the point that the U.S. government has demonstrated that it is willing to arrest foreign programmers for writing code in foreign countries if that code can be construed as a violation of the DMCA. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jul 20 13:52:35 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: <20010720134405.E4461@real-time.com> References: <01071721132303.11183@friday.tarsk.com> <20010720134405.E4461@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01072013523502.18706@friday.tarsk.com> Thanks so much for everyone's input on this. I think I got something to work with now. But I still have one truble: I would like to have virtual users. I dont want to have all those accounts on my system, it seems like a hassle when all they need is ftp access. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to do this? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Minnesota -- home of the blonde hair and blue ears. mosquito supplier to the free world. come fall in love with a loon. where visitors turn blue with envy. one day it's warm, the rest of the year it's cold. land of many cultures -- mostly throat. where the elite meet sleet. glove it or leave it. many are cold, but few are frozen. land of the ski and home of the crazed. land of 10,000 Petersons. From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jul 20 14:01:47 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <01072014014706.18706@friday.tarsk.com> On Friday 20 July 2001 3:57 pm, you wrote: > Would anyone care to trade a comparable but sufficiently > different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro 16MB? I have a Diamond Stealth 64, but I really know nothing about it (other than it works). If you are interested email me- off list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Win98 errors 019-999: Reserved for future use; presently used only to occupy 49.3 MB diskspace. From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Jul 20 14:06:30 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] In-Reply-To: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com> Message-ID: Put me down for a __WTF__ too.... On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomment > > Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > > http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > > Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > > Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, > sim > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 14:24:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP Style FTP config In-Reply-To: <01072013523502.18706@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Thanks so much for everyone's input on this. I think I got something > to work with now. But I still have one truble: I would like to have > virtual users. I dont want to have all those accounts on my system, > it seems like a hassle when all they need is ftp access. Does anyone > have any thoughts on how to do this? ProFTPd supports it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 14:32:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:57:11PM -0700 References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720143202.B20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:57:11PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > I have a very unstable AMD K6-3 400 / Asus P5-A system and I suspect the > problem is a conflict with the video card. Would anyone care to trade a > comparable but sufficiently different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro > 16MB? Note that the ATI video card came with my Intel based Dell and works > just fine in it. It just doesn't work in my AMD system and I don't have > another video card to try in it. Hmmm... K6-III or K6-III+? If it's a K6-III you might have problems with heat. If the flakyness is in Windows than don't worry: ATI drivers suck and blow. 1. Is the video board AGP? 2. Are you sure you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard? I can loan you a PCI video board and an AMD K6-2/380 MHz to test your motherboard. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 1. I suspect the video boa 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 14:33:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:06:30PM -0500 References: <3B587A48.8E7836A2@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010720143335.C20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:06:30PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > Put me down for a __WTF__ too.... Actually you might want to put that down in writing and mail it to your representative and senator. florin > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomment > > > > Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > > > > http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > > > > Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > > > > Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, > > sim > > -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jul 20 14:45:39 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] Message-ID: <1514120017520194539235@black-hole.com> The DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. it's very controversial and not very well written and is being opossed by nearly every nonsoftware business. it's only been passed in a few states so far. ---- Original Message ---- From: simeonuj@eetc.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:37:43 -0500 >http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomme >nt > >Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > >http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > >Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > >Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, >sim > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Jul 20 14:56:16 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] Message-ID: I think you are thinking of UCITA. >>> tobytoo@black-hole.com 07/20/01 02:45PM >>> The DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. it's very controversial and not very well written and is being opossed by nearly every nonsoftware business. it's only been passed in a few states so far. ---- Original Message ---- From: simeonuj@eetc.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:37:43 -0500 >http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/20/1228200&mode=nocomme >nt > >Alan Cox resigns from Usenix. > >http://www.2600.com/news/display.shtml?id=593 > >Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for violating the DMCA. What's the DMCA? > >Sorry, I don't understand much of this.... But WTF, >sim > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jul 20 14:56:26 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720145626.61bf1634.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:57:11 -0700 "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > I have a very unstable AMD K6-3 400 / Asus P5-A system and I suspect the > problem is a conflict with the video card. Would anyone care to trade a > comparable but sufficiently different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro > 16MB? Note that the ATI video card came with my Intel based Dell and works > just fine in it. It just doesn't work in my AMD system and I don't have > another video card to try in it. What is unstable about it Mike, does it freeze in X? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Jul 20 17:12:09 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010720143202.B20312@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <000d01c11169$053b86b0$0300000a@anelginanalas> It's straight a K6-III 400 as far as I know. I've never heard of a K6-III+. I've definitely had problems with heat in the past. As the temperature in my apartment went up, so did the spontaneous reboots. I was able to cure the problems by putting a Voodoo5 in it, but now I want the Voodoo5 in my new machine. I swapped the video cards in the two machines and now the AMD machine locks up if I use the GUI. If I don't touch the GUI, it seems stable enough. I've been using it to backup files to mostly. It is AGP. I have the Asus P5-A motherboard. I most likely don't have the latest BIOS. I have not touched it since buying it 2-3 years ago. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need Video Card > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:57:11PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > I have a very unstable AMD K6-3 400 / Asus P5-A system and I suspect the > > problem is a conflict with the video card. Would anyone care to trade a > > comparable but sufficiently different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro > > 16MB? Note that the ATI video card came with my Intel based Dell and works > > just fine in it. It just doesn't work in my AMD system and I don't have > > another video card to try in it. > > Hmmm... K6-III or K6-III+? If it's a K6-III you might have problems with heat. > > If the flakyness is in Windows than don't worry: ATI drivers suck and blow. > > 1. Is the video board AGP? > > 2. Are you sure you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard? > > I can loan you a PCI video board and an AMD K6-2/380 MHz to test your > motherboard. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." > > 1. I suspect the video boa > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 20 15:12:54 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] In-Reply-To: <1514120017520194539235@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:45:39PM -0500 References: <1514120017520194539235@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010720151253.H27798@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:45:39PM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > > The DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. it's very > controversial and not very well written and is being opossed by > nearly every nonsoftware business. it's only been passed in a few > states so far. You're thinking of UCITA. DMCA is a federal law which passed in 1998. Basic meaning of each: UCITA - Shrinkwrap licences are enforcable and companies can remotely disable your software to enforce them. DMCA - Companies can restrict their code and/or data using whatever technology they choose and you're not allowed to do anything about it. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Jul 20 17:23:12 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010720145626.61bf1634.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> It has a clean install of Windows 98 on it currently. It locks up unpredictably, but within 5 minutes or so of using the GUI. If I just let it sit, maybe copy files to it across the network, then its fine. I've had a history of stability problems with this box. I built it from parts 2-3 years ago and it has been a constant source of headaches. With a Diamond Viper v770 card in it, it rebooted spontanesously every so often - several times a day. The reboots grew more frequent as the ambient temperature rose. I read on the net that my motherboard, Asus P5-A, had some serious problems with the Diamond Viper v770. Someone theorized that the V770 drew too much power. I dropped a Voodoo5, which has its own power supply, in it and it became a lot more stable - no more spontaneous reboots, but still a very flakey Win98 box. Most recently, I put a ATI Rage 128 Pro and at the same time clean installed Win98 on it. Now it's in the worse shape ever. LOL Mike founding member of the bad hardware juju club ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need Video Card > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:57:11 -0700 > "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > > > I have a very unstable AMD K6-3 400 / Asus P5-A system and I suspect the > > problem is a conflict with the video card. Would anyone care to trade a > > comparable but sufficiently different video card for a ATI Rage 128 Pro > > 16MB? Note that the ATI video card came with my Intel based Dell and > works > > just fine in it. It just doesn't work in my AMD system and I don't have > > another video card to try in it. > > What is unstable about it Mike, does it freeze in X? > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at mninter.net Fri Jul 20 15:30:49 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sorry but.... WTF [OT] References: <1514120017520194539235@black-hole.com> <20010720151253.H27798@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3B5894F9.8050002@mninter.net> Dave Sherohman wrote: > >DMCA - Companies can restrict their code and/or data using whatever >technology they choose and you're not allowed to do anything about it. > You forget -- it also states that copyright holders can take down any web site they deem infringing, with no trial or injunction, and no way of appealing. From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Jul 20 15:39:25 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> <20010720135625.C12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com> Jim Crumley wrote: > For umn, try: > ns.nts.umn.edu > nss.nts.umn.edu These work very well. I've been syncing with them for about a year now from work. A simple cron script. Question - How do you set the time manually? I know the command "date -s ......" but can never get the number order correct. How is it done? The man page is crap when it comes to setting the time IMO..... sim From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 20 15:38:56 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > I've had a history of stability problems with this box. I built it from > parts 2-3 years ago and it has been a constant source of headaches. With a > Diamond Viper v770 card in it, it rebooted spontanesously every so often - > several times a day. The reboots grew more frequent as the ambient > temperature rose. I read on the net that my motherboard, Asus P5-A, had > some serious problems with the Diamond Viper v770. Someone theorized that > the V770 drew too much power. I dropped a Voodoo5, which has its own power > supply, in it and it became a lot more stable - no more spontaneous reboots, > but still a very flakey Win98 box. Most recently, I put a ATI Rage 128 Pro > and at the same time clean installed Win98 on it. Now it's in the worse > shape ever. LOL What size power supply do you have in this? My experience with Diamond has been just don't do it, especially woth AMD. I've been told that Diamond acts flaky on non-intel hardware. I think you should look into a bigger power supply and see if that helps out. -Brian From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jul 20 15:47:02 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: WTF Message-ID: <68682001752020472306@black-hole.com> I realized 3 sec after I sent the message that it was the UCITA I was describing not the DMCA, but the only thing I was wrong about was the states passing the law, the DMCA is very poorly written too. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 15:49:43 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SQL Server <-> Postgres Replication Message-ID: Anyone know of a way to get Microsoft SQL server to replicate a database to a Postgres server? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Jul 20 17:55:18 2001 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card References: Message-ID: <000501c1116f$0c746040$0300000a@anelginanalas> The AMD machine has a 250W power supply. However, it does not have a Diamond Stealth video card in it anymore. It has a ATI Rage 128 Pro. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need Video Card > > What size power supply do you have in this? My experience with Diamond > has been just don't do it, especially woth AMD. I've been told that > Diamond acts flaky on non-intel hardware. I think you should look into a > bigger power supply and see if that helps out. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 20 15:51:48 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:39:25PM -0500 References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> <20010720135625.C12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010720155148.A12793@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:39:25PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > For umn, try: > > ns.nts.umn.edu > > nss.nts.umn.edu > > These work very well. I've been syncing with them for about a year now from > work. A simple cron script. > > Question - How do you set the time manually? I know the command "date -s ......" > but can never get the number order correct. The easiest way to get a correct format is to first run 'date' to get the currently set date and follow that format. Its like: % date -s"Fri Jul 20 15:47:26 CDT 2001" -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From blayer at qwest.net Fri Jul 20 15:54:18 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010720145626.61bf1634.blayer@qwest.net> <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720155418.249aff18.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:23:12 -0700 "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > It has a clean install of Windows 98 on it currently. It locks up > unpredictably, but within 5 minutes or so of using the GUI. If I just let > it sit, maybe copy files to it across the network, then its fine. You do have the VIA 4-in-1 driver installed, correct? (I assume this is a VIA MB)... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 16:04:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:23:12PM -0700 References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010720145626.61bf1634.blayer@qwest.net> <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720160415.D20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:23:12PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > It has a clean install of Windows 98 on it currently. It locks up > unpredictably, but within 5 minutes or so of using the GUI. If I just let > it sit, maybe copy files to it across the network, then its fine. AGP on Super7 is hit-or-miss-or-miss-or-miss... > I've had a history of stability problems with this box. I built it from > parts 2-3 years ago and it has been a constant source of headaches. With a > Diamond Viper v770 card in it, it rebooted spontanesously every so often - > several times a day. The reboots grew more frequent as the ambient > temperature rose. I read on the net that my motherboard, Asus P5-A, had > some serious problems with the Diamond Viper v770. Someone theorized that > the V770 drew too much power. I dropped a Voodoo5, which has its own power > supply, in it and it became a lot more stable - no more spontaneous reboots, > but still a very flakey Win98 box. Most recently, I put a ATI Rage 128 Pro > and at the same time clean installed Win98 on it. Now it's in the worse > shape ever. LOL ATI on Windows sucks terribly. At least on Super 7. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 16:09:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <000d01c11169$053b86b0$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:12:09PM -0700 References: <024c01c1115e$8c1307e0$0300000a@anelginanalas> <20010720143202.B20312@beaver.iucha.org> <000d01c11169$053b86b0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720160901.E20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:12:09PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > It's straight a K6-III 400 as far as I know. I've never heard of a K6-III+. I have one :) They are "made for laptops" but work just fine and cool in the latest Super7 mobos with the latest (as in beta) BIOSes. Because it was made for a laptop, I overclock mine from 450MHz to 500 without any special cooling. > It is AGP. I have the Asus P5-A motherboard. I most likely don't have the > latest BIOS. I have not touched it since buying it 2-3 years ago. Get a PCI board if you can. There are problems with AGP on Super7. And you don't need AGP "speed" on a 400-500 MHz CPU anyway. AFAIK VIA still issues patches for AGP on it's chipsets :( And after the IDE and SBLive! problems on the latest VIA chipsets I woved not to buy VIA for the next 3-4 years :) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 16:10:55 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:39:25PM -0500 References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> <20010720135625.C12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010720161055.F20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:39:25PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > For umn, try: > > ns.nts.umn.edu > > nss.nts.umn.edu > > These work very well. I've been syncing with them for about a year now from > work. A simple cron script. Why not ntpd? > Question - How do you set the time manually? I know the command "date -s ......" rdate -s > but can never get the number order correct. > How is it done? The man page is crap when it comes to setting the time IMO..... No, it's not: OpenBSD 2.9: date [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t minutes_west] [-nu] [+format] [[[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.SS]] Linux: date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] It just doesn't read itself aloud :) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 16:12:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: WTF In-Reply-To: <68682001752020472306@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:47:02PM -0500 References: <68682001752020472306@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010720161246.G20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:47:02PM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > I realized 3 sec after I sent the message that it was the UCITA I was > describing not the DMCA, but the only thing I was wrong about was the > states passing the law, the DMCA is very poorly written too. No, it's not. It is very well written for the purpose it was envisaged: to take away your rights without any of the suckers to notice. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From spencer at sihope.com Fri Jul 20 16:13:16 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <001301c1116a$9046a900$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <200107202113.QAA13639@unix1.sihope.com> On Friday, July 20, 2001, at 05:23 PM, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Now it's in the worse > shape ever. LOL > I have had very simular troubles. A $15 box fan from K-mart does a great job in this humidity/heat. I would also check the bios for settings in regards to power management. On the 770 I believe there is also a jumper to enable 4xAGP, you will want 2xAGP with your board. I would alse if your board has a setting for which device should be the video device. Some bios will let you choose between pci and agp. If the bios has a setting for 2x or 4x AGP toggle that as well. There are various other settings in the bios that you may want to tweak as well but for sure clear the RTC (two soulder bumbs near the cmos chip for ASUS boards) and start with the defaults. Do you have a pci card you could try? -- SpencerUnderground From spencer at sihope.com Fri Jul 20 16:19:50 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <20010720155148.A12793@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200107202119.QAA18805@unix1.sihope.com> > > The easiest way to get a correct format is to first run 'date' to > get the currently set date and follow that format. Its like: > > % date -s"Fri Jul 20 15:47:26 CDT 2001" root@troll~# date -s"Fri Jul 20 16:15:26 CDT 2001" Fri Jul 20 22:15:26 BST 2001 Will you please explain to me why the time jumped 6 hours in 6ms. Must be CDT's difference to BST. I am still not understanding. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 16:32:53 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been running a Diamod v770 Ultra on my K6-2 box for along time. No problem. (Using a Fic 2013 or a Epox board.) With the K62 and 3 there are very important things to consider for a stable box: 300 watt power supply. Anything else just doesn't cut it. Proper cooling. Thermal greese, intake and exaust fans... chipset. Only a Via chipset will do. If it's ALI, SiS, other, run the other way, fast! When I went to an Athlon system my v770 continued to work, no problems. But, it has been replaced with a GeForce3 now. ;) The problem I always had was heat. Once I got that taken care of, the box was solid. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 20 16:45:12 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <200107202113.QAA13639@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, spencer wrote: > I have had very simular troubles. A $15 box fan from K-mart does a great > job in this humidity/heat. A $15 box fan and some PVC pipe also makes a great PC case, as someone pointed out on this list not long ago :-) From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 20 16:47:30 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <200107202119.QAA18805@unix1.sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:19:50PM -0500 References: <20010720155148.A12793@gordo.space.umn.edu> <200107202119.QAA18805@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010720164730.B30767@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:19:50PM -0500, spencer wrote: > root@troll~# date -s"Fri Jul 20 16:15:26 CDT 2001" > Fri Jul 20 22:15:26 BST 2001 > > Will you please explain to me why the time jumped 6 hours in 6ms. > Must be CDT's difference to BST. I am still not understanding. No, you understand. I don't know what/where BST is offhand, but it's 6 hours ahead of CST. You should probably run tzconfig to fix your system's time zone. (Assuming it's not in a BST location, of course.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 17:07:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [OT] Nick Names was Re: Re: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <01b601c1114b$a1e344d0$0300000a@anelginanalas>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:41:47AM -0700 References: <200107200558.f6K5wWl05108@mongo.evil-overlords.com> <01b601c1114b$a1e344d0$0300000a@anelginanalas> Message-ID: <20010720170703.V28602@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Bresnahan (mike@fruitioninc.com): > When are people going to stop using built-in and/or static arrays in network > daemons? Haven't we seen enough array overrun attacks? Every one of them > could have been prevented by simple coding practices. For example, using a > string class! I stopped using built-in and static arrays years ago and I > don't even write network daemons. I stopped using them simply because they > are a proven source of bugs, bugs, bugs, nasty bugs. Am I insane? Ok, we have Idiot Ben (hey, you've been quiet lately! You busy or something?) and now we have Insane Mike! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jul 20 17:02:39 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01072017023909.18706@friday.tarsk.com> Man, I must be the exception to the rule. I have an AMD K6III 450, Viper 770, with 6 drives in there, no extra cooling. And all that with a 250W power supply. Never had a problem. (well, except when my CD-ROM decided to puke- but that was unrelated) Its been going strong for a few years now. Jay On Friday 20 July 2001 4:32 pm, you wrote: > I've been running a Diamod v770 Ultra on my K6-2 box for along time. No > problem. (Using a Fic 2013 or a Epox board.) > > With the K62 and 3 there are very important things to consider for a > stable box: > 300 watt power supply. Anything else just doesn't cut it. > Proper cooling. Thermal greese, intake and exaust fans... > chipset. Only a Via chipset will do. If it's ALI, SiS, other, run the > other way, fast! > > When I went to an Athlon system my v770 continued to work, no problems. > But, it has been replaced with a GeForce3 now. ;) > > The problem I always had was heat. Once I got that taken care of, the box > was solid. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Q: What is the difference between Texas and yogurt? A: Yogurt has culture. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 17:22:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [OT] Nick Names was Re: Re: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: <20010720170703.V28602@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Idiot Ben (hey, you've been quiet lately! Yeah, and every time he does say something, he's MEAN! We should call him MEAN IDIOT BEN! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 20 17:28:04 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need Video Card In-Reply-To: <01072017023909.18706@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:02:39PM -0500 References: <01072017023909.18706@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010720172804.I20312@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:02:39PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Man, I must be the exception to the rule. I have an AMD K6III 450, Viper 770, > with 6 drives in there, no extra cooling. And all that with a 250W power > supply. Never had a problem. (well, except when my CD-ROM decided to puke- > but that was unrelated) Its been going strong for a few years now. No, you are not. I am running K6-III+/500MHz/256Mb/3 HDD/CD-RW/DVD on 250 W and no problems. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 17:30:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [OT] Nick Names was Re: Re: [TCLUG] Lots of denied packets. Port 80 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Yeah, and every time he does say something, he's MEAN! > > We should call him MEAN IDIOT BEN! (OK, OK, I need sleep.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 17:55:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good news from MAPS! Message-ID: <20010720175529.G28602@real-time.com> ----- Forwarded message from Margie via RT ----- > --On Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:12 PM -0700 "tanner@real-time.com via > RT" wrote: > > > Inbound correspondence: > > > > > > > > Where can I find a definition of a user? > > > > I run the twin cities linux users group (tclug) and if the definition > > of user is anyone subscribed to a mailing list, then your fees are > > cost prohibitive since the tclug has no money and runs on 100% > > volunteer time and resouces. > > > > > "user" is defined as an individual email account on the system. > > You folks are either a not for profit or a hobby site. We'll make > something work. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 17:59:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FWD: Qwest DSL Price Change Message-ID: <20010720175933.J28602@real-time.com> > Dear Qwest DSL Host, > > Please see the MegaHost site at https://www.extranet.interprise.com/megahost/ > for an important update on a Qwest DSL price increase effective August 7, > 2001. > > Also, at the MegaHost site you'll be able to see the addresses of where we > have currently deployed or will soon deploy remote terminals so that end users > who previously could not get DSL service now probably can. > > You'll need your unique login and password to get into the site. It should've > been automatically emailed to you when you became a Qwest DSL Host. If you > need your login and password, please let me know and I will get one to you. Since most of you don't have access to this, I'll cut-n-paste it for you. This really sucks, especially when the economy is so slow and there is no competition to Qworst. Notification: DSL Rate Increase and Grandfathered DSL Deluxe and DSL Pro Deluxe Fixed Rate Period Plans Product name: Qwest DSL Service Tariff/catalog/price list reference: Qwest Tariff F.C.C. No. 1, Section 8 State(s): All 14 Qwest States covered by Tariff F.C.C. No. 1 where the above services are available. Rate Increase Date: August 7, 2001 Description: Qwest has filed a tariff to change the monthly recurring rates for its DSL Services. Qwest is increasing the rate for its month-to-month DMT DSL Deluxe, DMT Pro Deluxe, CAP DSL Select, CAP DSL Deluxe and CAP DSL Pro Deluxe services. In addition, Qwest will be increasing its monthly rates for the other DSL services including month-to- month services as well as the services with term plans of 12-, 36- and 60-months. Qwest is also grandfathering the 12-, 36- and 60-month term plans for DSL Pro Deluxe service. After the effective date of the filing, Qwest will no longer offer Fixed Period Service Rate Plans for Qwest DSL Deluxe 12-, 36- and 60-months to new customers or for renewal once existing plans reach termination. Background: Qwest DSL was first to launch DSL in the market late 1997 at $39.95. We were the first company to lower the price to $29.95 in 1998 and introduce the Select product at $19.95 later that year. Third quarter 2000 Qwest DSL Pro service was introduced for customers who required higher speeds or business class services and Qwest lowered the prices for the higher speeds of DSL service significantly with that announcement. All companies are experiencing increased costs, and Qwest is no different in that regard. We have found it necessary to increase the prices of our DSL service effective August 7, 2001 as follows: Note: Qwest DSL 256 was introduced on June 14 at $21.95. It is not affected by this increase. Qwest DSL Deluxe: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $29.95 $31.95 One Year $29.95 *Grandfathered Three Years $29.95 *Grandfathered Five Years $29.95 *Grandfathered Qwest DSL Select (CAP only): (We stopped selling this product 6-14-01. Price increase applies to existing customers.) Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $19.95 $21.95 One Year $19.95 *Grandfathered Three Years $19.95 *Grandfathered Five Years $19.95 *Grandfathered *Grandfathered Contract terms no longer offered with these services. Customer's price will be in effect until notified by Qwest at contract expiration. Customer will then be offered the month-to-month price in effect on date of contract expiration. Qwest DSL Pro Services: Qwest DSL Pro Deluxe: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $50.00 $55.00 One Year $50.00 $55.00 Three Years $50.00 $55.00 Five Years $50.00 $55.00 Qwest DSL Pro 640K: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $60.00 $66.00 One Year $58.00 $64.00 Three Years $56.00 $62.00 Five Years $54.00 $60.00 Qwest DSL Pro 960K: (We stopped selling this product 4-01. Price increase applies to existing customers.) Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $70.00 $77.00 One Year $67.00 $74.00 Three Years $64.00 $71.00 Five Years $61.00 $68.00 Qwest DSL Pro 1M: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $80.00 $88.00 One Year $76.00 $84.00 Three Years $72.00 $80.00 Five Years $68.00 $76.00 Qwest DSL Pro 4M: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $150.00 $165.00 One Year $145.00 $160.00 Three Years $140.00 $155.00 Five Years $135.00 $150.00 Qwest DSL Pro 7M: Term Old Rate New Rate Month to month $250.00 $275.00 One Year $244.00 $269.00 Three Years $238.00 $263.00 Five Years $232.00 $257.00 Existing Subscribers: Existing customers will be notified of this price increase on their bill. Frequently Asked Questions What is the change that is being announced? To provide the best DSL technology available to as many customers as possible, Qwest is announcing a $2.00 per month increase in the Qwest Select/Deluxe products, and a 10 percent increase in the Qwest DSL Pro series. What is the effective date of the increase? The price of Qwest DSL service will increase for all affected customers on August 7, 2001. How will customers be notified of the change? Existing customers will be notified via a message on their bill. Qwest Representatives will notify prospective or new customers when they call into one of Qwest Sales centers. Why is the price of QwestDSL service increasing? The cost to buy and install the technology to provide DSL service is increasing. As customer demand increases, we are committed to expanding the availability of this high value product to as many customers as possible across our 14-state coverage area. Which products are affected by this change? The following products will experience a price increase of $2.00 per month: Qwest Select (no new service offered) Qwest DSL Deluxe The following products will experience a 10% price increase: Qwest DSL Pro Deluxe Qwest DSL Pro 640K Qwest DSL Pro 960 (no new service offered) Qwest DSL Pro 1M Qwest DSL Pro 4M Qwest DSL Pro 7M I just ordered Qwest DSL recently. How will this change affect me? If your DSL service was activated prior to August 7, your monthly charge will be pro-rated based upon the number of days in your billing cycle at the old rates prior to August 7. On August 7, you will begin to be charged the new rate. I ordered my DSL service on a 1, 3, or 5 year contract. How will this change affect me? The pricing under your present contract will not change during the contract period. How do the new rates for Qwest DSL compare with competitive products in the marketplace? DSL rates are comparable to those of our competitors and in some cases, lower compared to other alternatives in both the Consumer and Small Business markets. Moreover, we believe we deliver a superior product and value through greater reliability, a bundled solution, an d end-to-end product support. How does this change affect customers who use products that are no longer offered such as DSL Select? Current customers who subscribed to DSL Select will experience a $2 per month increase in the price of their service. DSL Select is no longer offered to new customers. Will rates for DSL change in the future? No other changes are known at this time, but we continue to evaluate market conditions when establishing prices. Does this price increase affect business customers with DSL service? Yes. All customers with DSL service will experience a price increase. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cfandre at fandre.com Fri Jul 20 18:30:53 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FWD: Qwest DSL Price Change In-Reply-To: <20010720175933.J28602@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720183053.A32612@fandre.com> But where are the "new remote terminals"? Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > > Dear Qwest DSL Host, > > > > Please see the MegaHost site at https://www.extranet.interprise.com/megahost/ > > for an important update on a Qwest DSL price increase effective August 7, > > 2001. > > > > Also, at the MegaHost site you'll be able to see the addresses of where we > > have currently deployed or will soon deploy remote terminals so that end users > > who previously could not get DSL service now probably can. > > > > You'll need your unique login and password to get into the site. It should've > > been automatically emailed to you when you became a Qwest DSL Host. If you > > need your login and password, please let me know and I will get one to you. > > Since most of you don't have access to this, I'll cut-n-paste it for you. > > This really sucks, especially when the economy is so slow and there is no > competition to Qworst. > > Notification: DSL Rate Increase and Grandfathered DSL Deluxe and DSL Pro Deluxe > Fixed Rate Period Plans > > Product name: Qwest DSL Service > > Tariff/catalog/price list reference: Qwest Tariff F.C.C. No. 1, Section 8 > > State(s): All 14 Qwest States covered by Tariff F.C.C. No. 1 where the above > services are available. > > Rate Increase Date: August 7, 2001 > > Description: Qwest has filed a tariff to change the monthly recurring rates for > its DSL Services. Qwest is increasing the rate for its month-to-month DMT DSL > Deluxe, DMT Pro Deluxe, CAP DSL Select, CAP DSL Deluxe and CAP DSL Pro Deluxe > services. In addition, Qwest will be increasing its monthly rates for the other > DSL services including month-to- month services as well as the services with > term plans of 12-, 36- and 60-months. Qwest is also grandfathering the 12-, 36- > and 60-month term plans for DSL Pro Deluxe service. After the effective date of > the filing, Qwest will no longer offer Fixed Period Service Rate Plans for Qwest > DSL Deluxe 12-, 36- and 60-months to new customers or for renewal once existing > plans reach termination. > > Background: Qwest DSL was first to launch DSL in the market late 1997 at $39.95. > We were the first company to lower the price to $29.95 in 1998 and introduce the > Select product at $19.95 later that year. Third quarter 2000 Qwest DSL Pro > service was introduced for customers who required higher speeds or business > class services and Qwest lowered the prices for the higher speeds of DSL service > significantly with that announcement. All companies are experiencing increased > costs, and Qwest is no different in that regard. We have found it necessary to > increase the prices of our DSL service effective August 7, 2001 as follows: > > Note: Qwest DSL 256 was introduced on June 14 at $21.95. It is not affected by > this increase. > > Qwest DSL Deluxe: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $29.95 $31.95 > One Year $29.95 *Grandfathered > Three Years $29.95 *Grandfathered > Five Years $29.95 *Grandfathered > > Qwest DSL Select (CAP only): (We stopped selling this product 6-14-01. Price > increase applies to existing customers.) > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $19.95 $21.95 > One Year $19.95 *Grandfathered > Three Years $19.95 *Grandfathered > Five Years $19.95 *Grandfathered > > *Grandfathered Contract terms no longer offered with these services. Customer's > price will be in effect until notified by Qwest at contract expiration. Customer > will then be offered the month-to-month price in effect on date of contract > expiration. > > Qwest DSL Pro Services: > > Qwest DSL Pro Deluxe: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $50.00 $55.00 > One Year $50.00 $55.00 > Three Years $50.00 $55.00 > Five Years $50.00 $55.00 > > Qwest DSL Pro 640K: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $60.00 $66.00 > One Year $58.00 $64.00 > Three Years $56.00 $62.00 > Five Years $54.00 $60.00 > > Qwest DSL Pro 960K: (We stopped selling this product 4-01. Price increase > applies to existing customers.) > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $70.00 $77.00 > One Year $67.00 $74.00 > Three Years $64.00 $71.00 > Five Years $61.00 $68.00 > > Qwest DSL Pro 1M: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $80.00 $88.00 > One Year $76.00 $84.00 > Three Years $72.00 $80.00 > Five Years $68.00 $76.00 > > Qwest DSL Pro 4M: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $150.00 $165.00 > One Year $145.00 $160.00 > Three Years $140.00 $155.00 > Five Years $135.00 $150.00 > > Qwest DSL Pro 7M: > Term Old Rate New Rate > Month to month $250.00 $275.00 > One Year $244.00 $269.00 > Three Years $238.00 $263.00 > Five Years $232.00 $257.00 > > Existing Subscribers: Existing customers will be notified of this price increase > on their bill. > > Frequently Asked Questions > > What is the change that is being announced? > > To provide the best DSL technology available to as many customers as possible, > Qwest is announcing a $2.00 per month increase in the Qwest Select/Deluxe > products, and a 10 percent increase in the Qwest DSL Pro series. > > What is the effective date of the increase? > > The price of Qwest DSL service will increase for all affected customers on > August 7, 2001. > > How will customers be notified of the change? > > Existing customers will be notified via a message on their bill. Qwest > Representatives will notify prospective or new customers when they call into one > of Qwest Sales centers. > > Why is the price of QwestDSL service increasing? > > The cost to buy and install the technology to provide DSL service is increasing. > As customer demand increases, we are committed to expanding the availability of > this high value product to as many customers as possible across our 14-state > coverage area. > > Which products are affected by this change? > > The following products will experience a price increase of $2.00 per month: > > Qwest Select (no new service offered) > > Qwest DSL Deluxe > > The following products will experience a 10% price increase: > > Qwest DSL Pro Deluxe > > Qwest DSL Pro 640K > > Qwest DSL Pro 960 (no new service offered) > > Qwest DSL Pro 1M > > Qwest DSL Pro 4M > > Qwest DSL Pro 7M > > I just ordered Qwest DSL recently. How will this change affect me? > > If your DSL service was activated prior to August 7, your monthly charge will be > pro-rated based upon the number of days in your billing cycle at the old rates > prior to August 7. On August 7, you will begin to be charged the new rate. > > I ordered my DSL service on a 1, 3, or 5 year contract. How will this change > affect me? > > The pricing under your present contract will not change during the contract > period. > > How do the new rates for Qwest DSL compare with competitive products in the > marketplace? > > DSL rates are comparable to those of our competitors and in some cases, lower > compared to other alternatives in both the Consumer and Small Business markets. > Moreover, we believe we deliver a superior product and value through greater > reliability, a bundled solution, an d end-to-end product support. > > How does this change affect customers who use products that are no longer > offered such as DSL Select? > > Current customers who subscribed to DSL Select will experience a $2 per month > increase in the price of their service. DSL Select is no longer offered to new > customers. > > Will rates for DSL change in the future? > > No other changes are known at this time, but we continue to evaluate market > conditions when establishing prices. > > Does this price increase affect business customers with DSL service? > > Yes. All customers with DSL service will experience a price increase. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jul 20 19:10:27 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Games Message-ID: <221902001762101027113@black-hole.com> Yaron, I'm sorry I wasn't able to stop by and pick up the games at the last LUG meeting, I've been in IN, I'll be back in town July 28-Aug 3, is there any time in there that we could get together so I can take those games off your hands. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 20:31:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good news from MAPS! In-Reply-To: <20010720175529.G28602@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720203145.X12165@ringworld.org> > > "user" is defined as an individual email account on the system. > > > > You folks are either a not for profit or a hobby site. We'll make > > something work. Whowa. I emailed their subscriptions email address and havent heard of *anything* from them yet. WHere are you emailing GRR. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 20:35:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good news from MAPS! In-Reply-To: <20010720203145.X12165@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:31:45PM -0500 References: <20010720175529.G28602@real-time.com> <20010720203145.X12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010720203552.O28602@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > > "user" is defined as an individual email account on the system. > > > > > > You folks are either a not for profit or a hobby site. We'll make > > > something work. > > Whowa. I emailed their subscriptions email address and havent heard of > *anything* from them yet. WHere are you emailing They like me because I have submitted thousands of valid RSS entries :-) I just sent it to customersupport@mail-abuse.org -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 20:38:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FWD: Qwest DSL Price Change In-Reply-To: <20010720175933.J28602@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720203840.Y12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010720 18:00]: > The cost to buy and install the technology to provide DSL service is increasing. > As customer demand increases, we are committed to expanding the availability of > this high value product to as many customers as possible across our 14-state > coverage area. Read as: We gouged out our DSL competition and now the cable providers are actually providing service, whereas we have no money to do so without a loss. Now that we have a monopoly, we will be happy to piss on the users and charge the same rates as those damn cable companies that have this monopoly that makes no sense to us circuit switched people! How dare they keep competitiors off by only doing packet-based services that are non-regulated (yet). How dare they upgrade their infrastructure. And how dare they compete with us! ----- (note: cable providers *could* allow others on their lines, but then we would end up with the 'original' sprint ION. see: your fav provider <--- ION ---> You. your fav. providers would be picked by you for phone/internet/video/etc. and the ION service would bill you by the amount of packet-switched services you used for the month. Just wait until you see bills for by-the-kbyte for your local loop! With 'business' style unlimited plans that are way overpriced! What will qwest do then? oh, catch up of course and start working like that.) Oh, did I mention, I'm a pessimist? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010720/27641b2d/attachment.pgp From atebbe at real-time.com Fri Jul 20 20:47:00 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapi addressbook Message-ID: <20010720204700.A17096@real-time.com> Has anyone found a solution to providing a mapi-based addressbook so outlook clients can have their pretty global addressbook even though the mail server is sendmail instead of exchange? i've used a product from nexor.com called messageware but it hasn't been updated since 1998 and it's not supported - and they have no plans to open-source it. i have not tried it on win2k yet so i'm not sure if it works. i checked google and freshmeat and have found nothing. note: i realize you can point outlook/outlook express to an ldap server and do a search for people, but unfortunately most users find that unacceptable. besides, i'd like the change from exchange to sendmail to be transparent to the users. those of you with outlook clients and linux-based mail server - what solution are you using for this problem? thanks. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From destef at destef.com Fri Jul 20 21:28:51 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FWD: Qwest DSL Price Change In-Reply-To: <20010720203840.Y12165@ringworld.org> References: <20010720175933.J28602@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200107210227.f6L2RTM28579@ernie.destef.com> I prefer the term "realist" as opposed to "pessimist" when I try describe myself. Its good to see im not the only one who will call a spade a spade. > >Oh, did I mention, I'm a pessimist? > >-- >Scott Dier >http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jul 20 21:45:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapi addressbook In-Reply-To: <20010720204700.A17096@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010720214554.Z12165@ringworld.org> * Amy Tanner [010720 20:48]: > note: i realize you can point outlook/outlook express to an ldap server > and do a search for people, but unfortunately most users find that I would try and find an automated method for doing this. Does outlook or outlook express look for any SRV records for LDAP at all? (woo, fear plug-and-play) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tim at tneu.visi.com Fri Jul 20 18:00:33 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? Message-ID: Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to raise public awareness of the DMCA). Adobe has made their bed - and they're going to have to sleep in it. I guess Adobe has an office near Roseville... I can get more details if needed. If you don't know what any of this is about, see http://www.boycottadobe.org -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ To: "free-sklyarov@zork.net" Subject: [free-sklyarov] Boycott Adobe Online Store We'll teach those Adobe Bastards to take on an army of unemployed dot commers with too much time on their hands... Check out the Boycott Adobe Merchandise pablos. -- Pablos Kadrevis pablos@kadrevis.com 415.420.3806 www.shmoo.com/~pablos _______________________________________________ free-sklyarov mailing list free-sklyarov@zork.net http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jul 21 00:21:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 06:00:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010721002149.B28397@real-time.com> Quoting tim (tim@tneu.visi.com): > Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? > > I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to > continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to > raise public awareness of the DMCA). Sheesh, let it go. Like I don't have something better todo on a Saturday then fight the political agenda and business agenda of Adobe. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From slushpupie at iexposure.com Sat Jul 21 01:20:14 2001 From: slushpupie at iexposure.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapi addressbook In-Reply-To: <20010720214554.Z12165@ringworld.org> References: <20010720214554.Z12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <0107210120140A.18706@friday.tarsk.com> At my office we use Outlook and have a standard LDAP server for the global address bood. With Mircosoft attempting to conform to some standards, it is entirely possible they can conform to some LDAP standards elsewhere On Friday 20 July 2001 9:45 pm, you wrote: > * Amy Tanner [010720 20:48]: > > note: i realize you can point outlook/outlook express to an ldap server > > and do a search for people, but unfortunately most users find that > > I would try and find an automated method for doing this. Does outlook > or outlook express look for any SRV records for LDAP at all? > > (woo, fear plug-and-play) -- Jay Kline slushpupie@iexposure.com http://www.slushpupie.com All the troubles you have will pass away very quickly. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 21 01:59:40 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010721015940.7e3fcb82.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> tim wrote: > > Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? > > I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to > continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to > raise public awareness of the DMCA). I stood out in the cold weather with you back in January of 2000, when 2600's DMCA case was new. I was disappointed by it in a certain way, because I discovered just how hard it is to stand on a corner and explain this sort of thing in 5 seconds to the folks walking or driving by. You need to be in a good location, and you need ways to draw people in to explain your ideas in more detail. That's difficult to do. Still, I was surprised to see people come up to us, and ask for a better explanation of what was going on. Many of them appreciated the difficulty, as they had participated in something in the past, a union walkout or who knows what. Too bad I was inexperienced and didn't have good answers. The 2600 protests, as I recall, were organized in two or three days. Calling them organized is a gross overstatement. I'm convinced that such short timetables are very bad for this sort of thing. If people do protest on Monday, there will need to be follow-ups. Send letters to the editor, etc. However, I think a much more effective system would work the other way around. Set a date a month or so away, and prepare to set up an educational session of sorts with a speaker or three, etc. Then, send out letters to the editor, giving people a taste of what will be said, and contact some community calendars. Educate, don't pontificate. I think the DMCA is pretty bad, and it's being invoked by organizations that are more concerned about their stock price than actually getting something out of life. It's important to spread the word, whether on the Internet, in letters, or out in public, but remember who you represent and what is involved when you spread that word. I'm not sure about this Sklyarov case, however. There seem to be some aspects to it that are much more understandable than the 2600 case or others. I don't know at this point. It's late, and I've been thinking about this too much already. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ `stressed' spelled / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ backward is `desserts' \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010721/a0298695/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 21 02:17:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: <20010721002149.B28397@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Sheesh, let it go. Like I don't have something better todo on a Saturday then > fight the political agenda and business agenda of Adobe. This isn't about Adobe. It's about a guy getting arrested for telling people about ROT13. At Defcon, where there was probably not ONE person who didn't already know what ROT13 is. The guy is being held without bail, too. This is about people being so afraid of 'hackers', that anyone even suspected of a computer crime gets locked away and denied due process. Bob, how far removed do you think this is from you, or Real-Time Enterprises, being sued because someone you provide connectivity for did an nmap on some random, paranoid company? How far is if from you being investigated because you publically endorse PGP? How far from you getting in hot water because Real-Time hosts a website/mailing list for the TCLUG, a self-proclaimed bunch of hackers? Naturally take this with a healthy doze of salt-grains. The slashdot-crowd IS quick to overreact - but this whole issue is going to have to boil over. People NEED to be more educated about computers. Stuff like the DMCA should not exist. -Yaron -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Jul 21 09:43:06 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 06:00:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010721094306.A13294@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 06:00:33PM -0500, tim wrote: > > Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? > > I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to > continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to > raise public awareness of the DMCA). > > Adobe has made their bed - and they're going to have to sleep in it. > > I guess Adobe has an office near Roseville... I can get more details if > needed. Well, a protest in downtown St. Paul is already being organized, so I don't think another protest is a good idea. Anyway, the real problem is th DMCA in general, not Adobe. So to me it make a lot more sense to protest at a federal court. I've included an email from an organizer of the St. Paul protest below. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | My name is Chris, and I'm the contact for the Free Dmitry/DMCA protest occurring this Monday in Saint Paul. If you're not a member of the free-dmitry mailing list, I'm sending you this because I think you may be interested in attending the rally. If you are, please respond to this email, perhaps with the query "what's this all about," because I'd be happy to explain all about it and why you should attend. The rally/protest/education campaign will be held at the Federal Courthouse, 316 N Robert St., Saint Paul from 11am to 1pm. I am considering a "coordination meeting" for Saturday night. Let me know if you are interested in attending such an event. Very informal, somewhere with food. So this is just an introductory mailing. If you know anyone that might be interested in attending, have them email me at freedima@underwhelm.org Free Dmitry! Repeal the DMCA! -- mosengc@qwest.net I use PGP 6.5.3 -- http://www.underwhelm.org/pgp From thudak at sistina.com Sat Jul 21 11:55:09 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 06:00:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010721115509.B12513@localhost> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 06:00:33PM -0500, tim wrote: > >Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? No >I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to >continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to >raise public awareness of the DMCA). Maybe the protest isn't the best way, but informing the public of what harm the DMCA can cause due to it's over-simplification of what constitutes a "crime" when learning about and publishing "circumvention" devices. I wonder if MasterLock could come after me for using a "circumvention" device to cut a lock and then publishing a white paper on how to cut the lock using parts purchased at a local hardware store?! (*ahem* rhetorical sarcasm *ahem*) > >Adobe has made their bed - and they're going to have to sleep in it. No, their lawyers will sleep in it, and we all know pigs are right at home in filth and dirt. I have to say I think you are missing the root of the problem. It's an unjust set of laws that needs to be repealed and revised with special attention paid to the implications of what specifically is made to be illegal. In addition to that, the entire justice system needs an overhaul. A "code audit" if you will. We cannot continue on a course with no structured form of maintaining the legitimacy of laws, and making sure laws pass a set criteria which maintains that laws constitutionality. I don't know how to go about it, or what it would consist of, but it's obvious to me that our current system is failing us. Then again, reading the latest Slashdot article on the Taliban's proscribed items list makes me very very happy I live in MN where my biggest concern on a daily basis is whether I can get the blower in my car to kick in so my A/C works! I'd be more pissed if the ruling party of my country made the internet illegal... >I guess Adobe has an office near Roseville... I can get more details if >needed. No bombs! :-) -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010721/535700fc/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Sat Jul 21 12:22:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changing time In-Reply-To: <20010720161055.F20312@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:10:55PM -0500 References: <200107201827.NAA07188@www7.mail.umn.edu> <20010720204338.A73366@io.stderr.net> <20010720135625.C12109@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B5896BD.83F49DF9@eetc.com> <20010720161055.F20312@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010721122215.B23011@real-time.com> > > How is it done? The man page is crap when it comes to setting the time IMO..... > > No, it's not: > > OpenBSD 2.9: > > date [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t minutes_west] [-nu] [+format] > [[[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.SS]] > > Linux: > date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] > > It just doesn't read itself aloud :) it must have gotten a lot better than when I started using Linux (RH 5.1). I never figured out how to set the date, based on the man page. kept giving me errors, no matter what I tried. so I learned to use rdate. :) (I have since been able to set the date by hand). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 21 14:19:39 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH 2.9p2 on Red Hat 6.2? Message-ID: Hey, I just noticed my RedHat 6.2 box was running OpenSSH 2.2.0... so I upgraded to 2.9p2 Now I can't login. I let it regenerate keys, the pam config is identical as is sshd_config. Running it in debug mode does not provide any additional information (it just says "Failed password for jethro from 192.168.0.1 port 32967". Nothing is showing up in /var/log/secure, /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog. What am I missing? -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jul 21 15:28:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: <20010721002149.B28397@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010721152849.C12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010721 00:22]: > Quoting tim (tim@tneu.visi.com): > > Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? > Sheesh, let it go. Like I don't have something better todo on a Saturday then > fight the political agenda and business agenda of Adobe. Helooooo. the us govt LOCKED SOMEONE UP because they researched an encryption of a popular file format and distributed a product of this research. Yeah, it had dual use, one to make use of the fair use provisions of copyright law, one is to break the copyright law. I think fair use has broken the latter most times in court in the non-digital relm. Now we have digital and its all different or something. go figure. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010721/90cc8e16/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jul 21 15:29:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010721152940.D12165@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010721 02:19]: > > Enterprises, being sued because someone you provide connectivity for did The DOD doesn't even investigate these anymore, as far as I've heard. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010721/0a3b07bf/attachment.pgp From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jul 21 16:23:59 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapi addressbook In-Reply-To: <20010720204700.A17096@real-time.com> Message-ID: Nextor works on Win2K just fine. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From blayer at qwest.net Sat Jul 21 17:33:33 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIRCAM Virus? In-Reply-To: References: <20010720204700.A17096@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010721173333.685acca8.blayer@qwest.net> Hehe, anyone else getting a pile of this? >Hi! How are you? >I send you this file in order to have your advice >See you later. Thanks http://news.excite.com/news/r/010720/20/net-tech-sircamvirus-dc -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Sat Jul 21 16:40:20 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else protesting for sklyarov? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I just met with the EFF recognized coordinator. We will be at the Federal court house from 11am to 1pm on Monday. The consensus expectation is that this should continue onto other days which will be planned at a later date. People who are interested in showing up please e-mail me. I'll get you in the loop. Thanks Joshua Jore PS. I'm running for mayor in Minneapolis. Vote for me; my only promise is that if elected I will promptly resign. On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, tim wrote: > > Is anyone else planning on attending the protests at Adobe on Monday? > > I'm on the free-sklyarov mailing list and most cities are planning to > continue with the protest on schedule Monday. (as well they should to > raise public awareness of the DMCA). > > Adobe has made their bed - and they're going to have to sleep in it. > > I guess Adobe has an office near Roseville... I can get more details if > needed. > > If you don't know what any of this is about, see > http://www.boycottadobe.org > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about > taking away your constitutional rights: > > "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of > these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out > reverse engineering; he threw out linking." > > - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you > / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." > / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA > / <_/ / / < / (_ > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:13:56 -0700 > From: Pablos Kadrevis > To: "free-sklyarov@zork.net" > Subject: [free-sklyarov] Boycott Adobe Online Store > > We'll teach those Adobe Bastards to take on an army of unemployed dot > commers with too much time on their hands... > > Check out the Boycott Adobe Merchandise > > > > pablos. > -- > Pablos Kadrevis > pablos@kadrevis.com > 415.420.3806 > www.shmoo.com/~pablos > > > _______________________________________________ > free-sklyarov mailing list > free-sklyarov@zork.net > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 22 04:55:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [partner@uswest.com: Red Code Virus Repair] Message-ID: <20010722045506.A6382@real-time.com> 3 days late. Better late then never, I guess. Nice of them to send the instructions as a word file. Dorks. ----- Forwarded message from partner@uswest.com ----- > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:07:37 -0500 (CDT) > X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.135 (B2.11; Q2.03) > From: partner@uswest.com > To: tanner@real-time.com > Subject: Red Code Virus Repair > > A virus called the "Red Code" virus may have temporarily interrupted some Qwest DSL customer's use of the service. Only Qwest DSL customers using certain older Cisco modems with a specific configuration were effected. The virus did not impact the majority of DSL customers. For instructions to repair the Red Code Virus, please see attached Word doc or go to the MegaHost web site at https://www.extranet.interprise.com/megahost/redcode.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 22 04:58:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH 2.9p2 on Red Hat 6.2? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 02:19:39PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010722045856.C6382@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey, > > I just noticed my RedHat 6.2 box was running OpenSSH 2.2.0... so I > upgraded to 2.9p2 > > Now I can't login. I let it regenerate keys, the pam config is identical > as is sshd_config. > Running it in debug mode does not provide any additional information (it > just says "Failed password for jethro from 192.168.0.1 port 32967". > > Nothing is showing up in /var/log/secure, /var/log/messages or > /var/log/syslog. > > What am I missing? It's the DMCA police messing with your mind! :-P Client and server same version of openssh? Did you double check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/ssh/ssh_config? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 22 11:14:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH 2.9p2 on Red Hat 6.2? In-Reply-To: <20010722045856.C6382@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What am I missing? > It's the DMCA police messing with your mind! :-P *LOL* I wasn't using SSH to circumvent copyrights! Much! I _jsut_ figured it out; Yes, they're the same ver, but for some reason under RH6.2 I had to ./cofigure --enable-pam, as it doesn't get auto detected. Works now! -Yaron -- From eng at pinenet.com Sun Jul 22 11:38:51 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Econ. Devel. meeting in Duluth Message-ID: <20010722.16385100@linwin.mshome.net> There are going to be meetings the next few days in Duluth to consider economic development opportunities in outstate Minnesota. The meeting is of, by, and for bureaucrats, with people like me invited to fill some seats and clap. Here's a link. http://www.regionalpartnerships.umn.edu/ However, we need people with skills, like the Linux community. The world is going over to Linux and Minnesota needs a crash skills development effort. I pushed IT optics in the early 80's and am now pushing hay crop agriculture and fuel cells in rural areas. These bureaucrats fight progress while they promise it, and they can get you down. But the tax structure has shifted to again favor the productive sector. Such an investment climate was developed by Ronald Reagan in the early 80's to foster the internet (not Al Gore). Linux experts should introduce their issue and not allow these bureaucrats to define the technology. Bureaucrats love defining others. Minnesota needs your Linux skills to stay in the global economy. Don't be surprised, though, if your good idea becomes their good idea. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Jul 22 14:19:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [partner@uswest.com: Red Code Virus Repair] In-Reply-To: <20010722045506.A6382@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010722141919.F12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010722 04:56]: > Nice of them to send the instructions as a word file. Dorks. Or their use of the english language "effected"? > > A virus called the "Red Code" virus may have temporarily interrupted some Qwest DSL customer's use of the service. Only Qwest DSL customers using certain older Cisco modems with a specific configuration were effected. The virus did not impact the majority of DSL customers. For instructions to repair the Red Code Virus, please see attached Word doc or go to the MegaHost web site at https://www.extranet.interprise.com/megahost/redcode.htm -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010722/c29c2727/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Sun Jul 22 18:56:34 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] null modem cable Message-ID: <20010722185634.A26080@beaver.iucha.org> Hello, I have a Sparc IPX with a funky serial port. I have the SUN adapter from that round port to a 25 pin female connector. I also have a 9 pin female to 25 pin male serial cable and I try to connect the serial port of the Sparc to a serial port of a PC. Problem is, is doesn't work. Somebody told me that I need a "null modem cable". I have saw in Best Buy/Compusa only "modem cables", "direct pc connection cables" and "switchbox cables". No "Sparc/PC cables" though :(. What kind of cable should I get? Thanks, florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Jul 22 19:15:22 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [Fwd: [TCLUG] null modem cable] Message-ID: <276442001712301522338@black-hole.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: tobytoo@black-hole.com To: tobytoo@black-hole.com, Subject: Re: [Fwd: [TCLUG] null modem cable] Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:10:40 -0500 If you're looking for a null modem cable go to Radio Shack, if they don't have the cable they should still have the null adapter. PLCs use these alot. >> Subject: [TCLUG] null modem cable >> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:56:34 -0500 >> From: "Florin Iucha" >> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a Sparc IPX with a funky serial port. I have the SUN >adapter from that >> round port to a 25 pin female connector. >> >> I also have a 9 pin female to 25 pin male serial cable and I try >to connect the >> serial port of the Sparc to a serial port of a PC. Problem is, is >doesn't work. >> >> Somebody told me that I need a "null modem cable". I have saw in >Best Buy/Compusa only "modem cables", "direct pc connection cables" >and "switchbox cables". No "Sparc/PC cables" though :(. >> >> What kind of cable should I get? >> >> Thanks, >> florin >> >> -- >> >> "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." >> >> 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 06:40:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 23-Jul-2001 06:30 CST MTA upgrade for mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20010723064020.F4454@real-time.com> What : Schedule maintenance When : 23-Jul-2001 06:30 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Upgrade sendmail to 8.11.4 Details ------- I'm mailing list god and I can do whatever I want whenever I want. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 06:55:30 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade Message-ID: <20010723065530.G4454@real-time.com> Testing after sendmail upgrade. Does this thing work? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 07:24:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTA upgrade complete Message-ID: <20010723072403.H4454@real-time.com> Sendmail upgrade is complete. Please email support@real-time.com with any problems. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 23 07:26:39 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: <20010723065530.G4454@real-time.com> Message-ID: Yep. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade Testing after sendmail upgrade. Does this thing work? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 07:53:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: <20010723065530.G4454@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:55:30AM -0500 References: <20010723065530.G4454@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010723075356.A16088@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:55:30AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Testing after sendmail upgrade. > > Does this thing work? I don't know... Let's wait for Ben 8-) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 23 09:18:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: <20010723075356.A16088@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:53:56AM -0500 References: <20010723065530.G4454@real-time.com> <20010723075356.A16088@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010723091801.A876@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:53:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:55:30AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> Testing after sendmail upgrade. >> >> Does this thing work? > >I don't know... Let's wait for Ben 8-) Yes. :-) > >florin > >-- > >"If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010723/7e81f01f/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 09:45:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 23-Jul-2001 06:30 CST MTA upgrade for mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: <20010723064020.F4454@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What : Schedule maintenance > When : 23-Jul-2001 06:30 CST > Length : estimated 15 mins > Why : Upgrade sendmail to 8.11.4 > > Details > ------- > I'm mailing list god and I can do whatever I want whenever I want. Scary that Bob's up this late. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 09:45:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: <20010723091801.A876@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >I don't know... Let's wait for Ben 8-) > > Yes. :-) Oh, and by the way.. we set up the mail server so the preferred client is StarOffice!! *runs for cover* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From fertch at mninter.net Mon Jul 23 09:52:09 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop for sale (and accessories) Message-ID: <200107231458.JAA12975@gateway2.lawson.com> Well, I hate to do it. Time has come for me to sell my laptop. It's been a solid machine and I have had no complaints using it. Just time for me to move on. So, here's the technical info: IBM Thinkpad i1720 (model# 2627720) P2-266 processor 512KB cache 128MB ram (64 MB base, added 64 MB stick. 256MB max) 4.3GB HDD 24X CD-ROM 13.3" 1024x768 TFT active matrix screen 56k winmodem (never seriously tried to get it to work) I'm looking at about $500 for the laptop, as somewhat similar machines are going for slightly more on pricewatch. I've run SuSe 6.4/7.0, Slackware 7.1/8.0 (currently), Mandrake 7.1 on it as well as Win98se. I have the following pcmcia modems/NICs that I'm looking at selling as well: 3com XJ10BT/BC 10Mbit card. $15 3com XJ2288 28.8 modem $10 3com XJ1560 33.6 data/14.4 fax $25 3com 3c574 10/100 NIC $50 Viking 56k cellular capable (nokia 51xx/6100 series phone) modem $55 Cisco Aironet 340 wireless NIC pcmcia 11Mbit card $55 (have two of these) If you're interested shoot me an e-mail off list. fertch@mninter.net Thanks, Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 23 10:09:06 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:45:44AM -0500 References: <20010723091801.A876@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010723100905.A9479@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:45:44AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > >Oh, and by the way.. we set up the mail server so the preferred client is >StarOffice!! Sweet! HTML Too. >*runs for cover* > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010723/173663fc/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 11:05:31 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [NOISE]Testing after sendmail upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:45:44AM -0500 References: <20010723091801.A876@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010723110530.A9237@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:45:44AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >I don't know... Let's wait for Ben 8-) > > > > Yes. :-) > > Oh, and by the way.. we set up the mail server so the preferred client is > StarOffice!! Actually Bob said that he will upgrade sendmail to staroffice on the server, not on the client, Nate :) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 23 11:04:56 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad Message-ID: Hey, So, all you debian followers... My debian box here decided nuke /var/lib/dpkg/available. I don't know how or why, but that file's now tiny and broken. Now dpkg doesn't work. Any way to fix this? At least with RPM you can get it to ignore that stuff... -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 11:18:26 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In /var/lib/dpkg do you have any -old files? You could copy those and replace the broken files. If no, there are other ways, but they're ummm...complicated and involve alot of --force-*. :) Go for the easy one first... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 23 11:32:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > In /var/lib/dpkg do you have any -old files? You could copy those and > replace the broken files. If no, there are other ways, but they're > ummm...complicated and involve alot of --force-*. :) There's no -old files... I guess I can --force-all every single thing I install, but I can't do that with dist-upgrade, can I? What I'm after is rebuilding the thing. -Yaron -- From nolanjm at juno.com Mon Jul 23 11:34:59 2001 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs Message-ID: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> did Maximum Linux mag go under? Their web site is closed also. Any other mags for newbies that anyone can recommend? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 23 11:40:08 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - Magazine In-Reply-To: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: > did Maximum Linux mag go under? Their web site is closed also. Yes, several months ago. > Any other mags for newbies that anyone can recommend? Linux Journal Linux Magazine Neither is great, but provides some amusement whilst sitting in the coffee shop or something. Andy From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 11:57:12 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010723115712.B9237@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > In /var/lib/dpkg do you have any -old files? You could copy those and > > replace the broken files. If no, there are other ways, but they're > > ummm...complicated and involve alot of --force-*. :) > > There's no -old files... I guess I can --force-all every single thing I > install, but I can't do that with dist-upgrade, can I? > > What I'm after is rebuilding the thing. Would you entertain the idea of getting it from somebody else? I have a woody version from July 20. -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 12:05:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: <20010723115712.B9237@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Akk...ignore me. It's just available that's borked right? no big deal! If status went to hell things get messy. You should even be able to rm /var/lib/dpkg/available. To update /var/lib/dpkg/available, select update in dselect. I just tested it myself by moving /var/lib/dpkg/available and running selecting update in dselect. apt doesn't use /var/lib/dpkg/available. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 23 12:05:59 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: <20010723115712.B9237@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Would you entertain the idea of getting it from somebody else? I have a > woody version from July 20. I don't think that'll help. I have other debian boxes. I believe this is listing packages currently installed, for dependancy purposes. Thus having a file from any other machine which is not totally identical is not much use. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 23 12:17:35 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > apt doesn't use /var/lib/dpkg/available. Are you _sure_? Well, maybe apt doesn't, but apt runs dpkg, which does. I'll try that all later, I can't reboot that machine right now. -Yaron -- From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Jul 23 12:32:39 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] geek pageant In-Reply-To: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> References: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: <995909559.18971.102.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I just found out a friend of a friend of mine recently won the sexiest geek pageant. She has some pretty hot pillow talk about Linux in there: http://www.mills.edu/ACAD_INFO/MCS/SPERTUS/Geek/ Brady From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 12:34:21 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > apt doesn't use /var/lib/dpkg/available. > > Are you _sure_? Well, maybe apt doesn't, but apt runs dpkg, which does. > > I'll try that all later, I can't reboot that machine right now. I should say, apt doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg/available. It keeps its own lists in /var/lib/apt. dpkg doesn't really use available, cause with dpkg you either called it by hand to install a .deb or it was called from a frontend like apt or dselect. All /var/lib/dpkg/available does is provide a list of available packages to dselect. /var/lib/dpkg/status is the file that tells you the state of the installed packages. To test this, I moved /var/lib/dpkg/available /var/lib/dpkg/available.test and then ran dselect, selected update, and check the contents of the newly created /var/lib/dpkg/available. No errors, nada. Even adked #debian on irc.debian.org for you. If status is nuked, you have troubles, but they can be fixed with some work. > I'll try that all later, I can't reboot that machine right now. Where does rebooting factor in? This is Linux man! :) /etc/init.d/whatever restart Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 12:34:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian gone bad In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:05:59PM -0500 References: <20010723115712.B9237@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010723123448.A14442@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:05:59PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Would you entertain the idea of getting it from somebody else? I have a > > woody version from July 20. > > I don't think that'll help. I have other debian boxes. I believe this is > listing packages currently installed, for dependancy purposes. Thus having > a file from any other machine which is not totally identical is not much > use. buffalo:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | wc -l 266 buffalo:/var/lib/dpkg# grep Package: available | wc -l 6529 florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Jul 23 13:03:52 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D625E@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I followed the link on the closed site. There last issue was March/April. The two the I still use is Linux Magazine, and Linux Journal. If you are a patient person you can get the Linux Magazine free online a couple of months later. http://www.linux-mag.com John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry M Nolan [mailto:nolanjm@juno.com] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:35 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs did Maximum Linux mag go under? Their web site is closed also. Any other mags for newbies that anyone can recommend? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 23 14:05:33 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D625E@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Miller, John wrote: > I followed the link on the closed site. There last issue was > March/April. The two the I still use is Linux Magazine, and Linux > Journal. If you are a patient person you can get the Linux Magazine > free online a couple of months later. > > http://www.linux-mag.com I subscribed to Linux Magazine for a year, I'm probably going to renew. It really is focused at newbies (PHBs perhaps?) but it has nice sections like "gearheads only" and "perl of wisdom" to tackle some of the tougher stuff. If nothing else, the articles are usually well written and worth reading. Oh, and don't forget the sexy pictures of new linux hardware! -Brian From amy at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 14:29:43 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opennms and java problems Message-ID: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com> I just installed opennms and sun's jdk 1.3 but I'm having the following problems: [root@nms tmp]# $BB_HOME/opennms.sh gui start ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OpenNMS Command (Revision: functions.sh,v 1.15 2001/07/06 19:30:25 ben Exp $) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory *** WARNING *** RTCViewCategoryManager is not running; only administration login will be available. Please run /opt/OpenNMS//opennms.sh scm start if you want to be able to log in as an operator. /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory [root@nms tmp]# $BB_HOME/opennms.sh scm start ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OpenNMS Command (Revision: functions.sh,v 1.15 2001/07/06 19:30:25 ben Exp $) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Waiting for views to be active: /...timed out [root@nms tmp]# rpm -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by groff-1.16-7 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by postgresql-libs-7.1.2-0.onms.10 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by opennms-0.8.0-1 [root@nms tmp]# locate libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [root@nms tmp]# rpm --nodeps -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm package libstdc++-2.96-69 (which is newer than libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323) is already installed Ideas? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 14:35:01 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opennms and java problems In-Reply-To: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:29:43PM -0500 References: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010723143501.K18776@real-time.com> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:29:43PM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > I just installed opennms and sun's jdk 1.3 but I'm having the following > problems: Nevermind - found the answer in faq when i dug deeper- needed to install 6.1 compat libraries. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 14:38:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opennms and java problems In-Reply-To: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > [root@nms tmp]# rpm -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by groff-1.16-7 > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by > postgresql-libs-7.1.2-0.onms.10 > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by opennms-0.8.0-1 > [root@nms tmp]# locate libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 > /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 > [root@nms tmp]# rpm --nodeps -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm > package libstdc++-2.96-69 (which is newer than libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323) is > already installed symbolically link the new file to the one it's looking for? Sometimes works for me.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 23 14:43:08 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opennms and java problems In-Reply-To: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:29:43PM -0500 References: <20010723142943.J18776@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010723144308.A2045@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:29:43PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >I just installed opennms and sun's jdk 1.3 but I'm having the following >problems: > >[root@nms tmp]# $BB_HOME/opennms.sh gui start >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >OpenNMS Command (Revision: functions.sh,v 1.15 2001/07/06 19:30:25 ben Exp $) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >/usr/java/jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared >libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot load shared object file: No such >file or directory make a /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 symlink to the actual filename of the libc that is installed. Such is life in the "precompiled binary" world of RPM's and such. Once you make the link rerun ldconfig. To test do a ldd `which java` to make sure all the libraries are found that it's linked against. HTH >*** WARNING *** >RTCViewCategoryManager is not running; only administration >login will be available. Please run /opt/OpenNMS//opennms.sh scm start >if you want to be able to log in as an operator. > >/usr/java/jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared >libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot load shared object file: No such >file or directory >[root@nms tmp]# $BB_HOME/opennms.sh scm start >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >OpenNMS Command (Revision: functions.sh,v 1.15 2001/07/06 19:30:25 ben Exp $) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Waiting for views to be active: /...timed out >[root@nms tmp]# rpm -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm >error: failed dependencies: > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by groff-1.16-7 > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by >postgresql-libs-7.1.2-0.onms.10 > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by opennms-0.8.0-1 >[root@nms tmp]# locate libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 >/usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 >[root@nms tmp]# rpm --nodeps -Uhv libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323.i386.rpm >package libstdc++-2.96-69 (which is newer than libstdc++-2.95.3-0.20000323) is >already installed > > > >Ideas? Thanks. >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010723/e934bff2/attachment.pgp From steveg at transition.com Mon Jul 23 15:40:36 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fiber NICs for sale Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF95@postman.transition.com> I feel a little odd doing this but at work we have a bunch of Fiber NICs that we are looking to get rid of. I only post this here because I know that many of you are sys admins and may have use for this stuff. All this stuff is new, a company we bought manufactured and sold this stuff at one time under the name of LanArt, maybe you heard of them. Specs and prices (prices for everyone but you guys anyway) are here: http://www.transition.com/promotions/excess_inv.htm For you guys: $25 -------- N-FX-MT-01 10/100 SX PCI NIC MT CONN N-FX-SC-01 100 FX, SC, PCI, NIC N-FX-ST-01 100FX, ST, PCI,NIC N-SX-SC-01 10/100 SX PCI NIC W/ SC CONN N-SX-ST-01 10/100 SX PCI NIC $75 -------- E-FX-HB-0800(SC) 8 port 100Mbps Fiber Hub 60 in stock E-FX-HB-1600(SC) 16 port 100Mbps Fiber Hub 18 in stock If interested email Amy at amys@transition.com or call at 952 941 7600 and ask for Amy. If she asked you where you got the pricing tell her it came from Steve Grobe who got it from Bill. If I am way off base posting this here let me know and it won't happen again. I feel like a spammer or something. Although if I were a spammer would I feel bad about it? Steve From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 23 15:50:33 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am starting my own "mini-ISP" where I will be providing some limited services. One thing I would like to provide is a web interface to administer email stuff (aliases, add new accounts, delete accounts, etc). I would like to use Qmail to do this (for security), but I have no idea of the implications of the web interface. Because I plan on using SSL (even if the certificate is not from VeriSign or whomever, at least its encrypted), the site itself will be fairly secure. Does anyone know of other issues I need to worry about? Also, does anyone know of any applications available that do this web interface? (Note: I don't want anyone to be able to sign up for an account like Hotmail, just specific people should be able to do admin work) Jay From cargods at storage.network.com Mon Jul 23 15:58:59 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode Message-ID: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> I have a need to run a 3c509B in PnP mode. (The legacy mode drivers won't successfully install on my Windows 95 box.) Any body have a working example of using pnpdump and isapnp to set such a beast up? If that doesn't work, any suggestions for a cheap ISA ethernet card that works with Windows 95 and Linux? dsc From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 16:04:35 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Off the top of my head: linuxconf and webmin. Down side to both is the amount of set uid root stuff they run, but that's going to be the case with any web based admin thing... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 16:18:24 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010723161824.J12165@ringworld.org> * Jay Kline [010723 15:54]: > I am starting my own "mini-ISP" where I will be providing some limited services. ISPMAN looks interesting. www.ispman.org -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 16:19:26 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: > working example of using pnpdump and isapnp to set such a beast up? In most cases the config you are sent work work for your card anyway because your PnP settings will be different. I do have some tips for you: In your bios, set PnP os to NO. Scribble down what resources the card uses in windows. in linux: modprobe 3c509 irq= io= When you find the settings that do work, you can add an entry in modutils. something like alias eth0 3c509 options 3c509 io= irq= (anyone wanna double check that? Can't remember if that's correct...) Or if you've compiled in the 3c509 driver you can add: append="ether=irq,io,eth0" to /etc/lilo.conf I don't _think_ you have to use isapnptools with a 3c509, even if it is in pnp mode, with linux, but I could be wrong. The driver has pretty good autodetection as well so you might be able to get away with a simple modprobe 3c509. PnP is nice and all, but there was something to be said about being able to manually set your system resources. ;) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 16:29:49 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Message-ID: <20010723162949.A31169@beaver.iucha.org> Hi, Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/officefamily.asp Those of you who don't have the Internet Explorer close just download the mpeg: http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/library/images/30sekdt01.mpeg Thanks for the Register for spotting this gem: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20563.html florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jul 23 16:37:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> References: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010723163740.7440cc35.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:58:59 -0500 (CDT) "David S. Cargo" wrote: > If that doesn't work, any suggestions for a cheap ISA ethernet card > that works with Windows 95 and Linux? NE2000+ or compatible. Rock solid, stable, and the card's resources are set by either jumpers, or a DOS utility called 'plusdiag.exe' that uses an NVRAM in the card to set & hold resource settings. Neat. MPC electronics used to literally have a gaylord of those cards, for like $5 each, 5 for $20 or something equally cheap. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From cargods at storage.network.com Mon Jul 23 16:47:28 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode Message-ID: <200107232147.QAA29097@rainier.network.com> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:58:59 -0500 (CDT) > "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > > If that doesn't work, any suggestions for a cheap ISA ethernet card > > that works with Windows 95 and Linux? > > NE2000+ or compatible. Rock solid, stable, and the card's resources are > set by either jumpers, or a DOS utility called 'plusdiag.exe' that uses an > NVRAM in the card to set & hold resource settings. Neat. > > MPC electronics used to literally have a gaylord of those cards, for like > $5 each, 5 for $20 or something equally cheap. What do you use for Windows drivers for a cut-rate card acquired like this? dsc From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jul 23 16:56:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 03:50:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010723235643.C86546@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 03:50:33PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am starting my own "mini-ISP" where I will be providing some limited services. > One thing I would like to provide is a web interface to administer email stuff > (aliases, add new accounts, delete accounts, etc). I would like to use Qmail to > do this (for security), but I have no idea of the implications of the web > interface. Because I plan on using SSL (even if the certificate is not from > VeriSign or whomever, at least its encrypted), the site itself will be fairly > secure. Does anyone know of other issues I need to worry about? Also, does > anyone know of any applications available that do this web interface? (Note: I > don't want anyone to be able to sign up for an account like Hotmail, just specific > people should be able to do admin work) If you're using Qmail I can highly recommend using qmailadmin, it's free, it has the features you most likely need. Adding/deleting pop accounts, adding/deleting aliases, adding/deleting forwards, mailinglist admin, autoresponder etc.. I've used it with great success for over a year now. URL: http://inter7.com/qmailadmin/ -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 17:02:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232147.QAA29097@rainier.network.com>; from cargods@storage.network.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:47:28PM -0500 References: <200107232147.QAA29097@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010723170232.B31169@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:47:28PM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:58:59 -0500 (CDT) > > "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > > > > If that doesn't work, any suggestions for a cheap ISA ethernet card > > > that works with Windows 95 and Linux? > > > > NE2000+ or compatible. Rock solid, stable, and the card's resources are > > set by either jumpers, or a DOS utility called 'plusdiag.exe' that uses an > > NVRAM in the card to set & hold resource settings. Neat. > > > > MPC electronics used to literally have a gaylord of those cards, for like > > $5 each, 5 for $20 or something equally cheap. > > What do you use for Windows drivers for a cut-rate card acquired like this? Being an old card, usually Windows finds a driver by itself... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jul 23 17:04:13 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In-Reply-To: <20010723162949.A31169@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Thanks for the Register for spotting this gem: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20563.html Hmmm.... in good old promotional style, M$ has come up with a commercial that uses the "what does THAT have to do with anything?" format. I dunno, to me this thing says "what M$ can password protect you can circumvent using a scissors". In computer terms, this looks like the idea of Win95 password protection. The intruder has the keys to your office, sits down and fires up your computer and is blocked because he doesn't know your Win95 password. Then he realizes there's a cancel button that does the same thing. The good news is if someone calls me that they've forgotten their Office XP document's password it's apparently "not" a problem. -Brian From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Mon Jul 23 17:26:53 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] References: <20010723162949.A31169@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B5CA4AD.6090103@mn.rr.com> I wonder if you will have to re-register your girlfriend/wife if she changes her hair color, wears different eye makeup and switches to a wonder bra? Just as important when she blue screens what mood will she be in when you've finished rebooting her? SG, O.S.D. Florin Iucha wrote: > Hi, > > Check this out: > > http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/officefamily.asp > > Those of you who don't have the Internet Explorer close just download the > mpeg: > > http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/library/images/30sekdt01.mpeg > > Thanks for the Register for spotting this gem: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20563.html > > florin > > -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From blayer at qwest.net Mon Jul 23 18:00:23 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232147.QAA29097@rainier.network.com> References: <200107232147.QAA29097@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010723180023.6dde0794.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:47:28 -0500 (CDT) "David S. Cargo" wrote: > What do you use for Windows drivers for a cut-rate card acquired like this? Windows has several driver options for it, I usually use: Novell / Anthem -> NE2000 plus or clone -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 23 18:21:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> References: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010723182121.3d689425.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > I have a need to run a 3c509B in PnP mode. (The legacy mode drivers > won't successfully install on my Windows 95 box.) Any body have a > working example of using pnpdump and isapnp to set such a beast up? The DOS driver disks for that card should be available on 3Com's web site. Run 3c5x9cfg.exe from the disk and disable PnP, and pick a good IRQ. There was a rumor floating around that Donald Becker (writer of many ethernet drivers for Linux) had created a utility for doing this in Linux, but I'm not sure where it is, or even if it exists (it might have been my imagination..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Friends don't let friends / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ use Windows. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010723/82820f8d/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 18:31:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinuxToday Message-ID: <20010723183111.B16438@real-time.com> Is it me or has the number of postings to LinuxToday dropped significantly? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Mon Jul 23 20:00:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds now open for business Message-ID: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> I've noticed a lot of people have been posting things for sale on the list lately. To make it easier to keep track of the items (and to eliminate the spam for those of us who don't care) I've put up a TCLUG classifieds section on the webpage. Check it out and let me know if it works or not. Thanks to Mike Spice for the perl cgi. (http://www.fuzzymonkey.org/perl/) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Jul 23 20:20:13 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds now open for business In-Reply-To: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> Message-ID: cool beans! Colin From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 20:54:34 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <20010723163740.7440cc35.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:37:40PM -0500 References: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> <20010723163740.7440cc35.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010723205429.O32466@real-time.com> > NE2000+ or compatible. Rock solid, stable, and the card's resources are > set by either jumpers, or a DOS utility called 'plusdiag.exe' that uses an > NVRAM in the card to set & hold resource settings. Neat. problem with NE2K boards is that there's a jillion knockoffs of them. They're sort of the AK-47 of the networking world... cheap, cheerful, but there's umpteen jillion knockoffs which aren't all guaranteed to be compatible (at least as far as drivers go). I haven't been bitten by this under Linux; but under Windows and NetBSD I've seen compatibility problems. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 23 21:27:20 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinuxToday In-Reply-To: <20010723183111.B16438@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010723212720.N12165@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010723 18:36]: > Is it me or has the number of postings to LinuxToday dropped significantly? http://www.varlinux.org/article.php?sid=296&mode=nested&order=0 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jack at jacku.com Mon Jul 23 21:32:47 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> References: <20010723.113500.-501913.0.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: <01072321324701.01835@geezer> So that's why I never received that next issue! ;-) Anyway another mag you might want to look at is Linux Format. Its British so all the prices are in pounds (maybe euros soon.) Its a bit pricey ($13.95 + tax at Micro Center) but like all good Brit Computer Mags it has a cover CD that usually has some neat stuff on it. They just changed formats and have sections for Desktop, Developer, and Professional. There reviews are better than Maximum Linux ever did. Only the more detailed Linux Journal reviews come close. They also have a "Hot Picks" column every month featuring "The best of open source". Oh yeah I forgot to mention that the publisher Future Media, is the British parent of Imagine that published Maximum Linux. Enjoy, Jack On Monday 23 July 2001 11:34, you wrote: > did Maximum Linux mag go under? Their web site is closed also. > Any other mags for newbies that anyone can recommend? > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Mon Jul 23 21:38:38 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01072321383802.01835@geezer> I'll throw in a plug for webmin. I use it in the lab on anything it'll run. This includes AIX if I can get it to work. Disclaimer: I use it mostly on systems with no direct connection to the Internet. That said, I think there is a qmail module, but since I don't use qmail at this point I'm not sure. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com On Monday 23 July 2001 15:50, you wrote: > I am starting my own "mini-ISP" where I will be providing some limited > services. One thing I would like to provide is a web interface to > administer email stuff (aliases, add new accounts, delete accounts, etc). > I would like to use Qmail to do this (for security), but I have no idea of > the implications of the web interface. Because I plan on using SSL (even > if the certificate is not from VeriSign or whomever, at least its > encrypted), the site itself will be fairly secure. Does anyone know of > other issues I need to worry about? Also, does anyone know of any > applications available that do this web interface? (Note: I don't want > anyone to be able to sign up for an account like Hotmail, just specific > people should be able to do admin work) > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Jul 23 21:42:11 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> References: <200107232058.PAA28629@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <01072321421103.01835@geezer> FWIW I have used D-Link and Linksys combo cards very successfully under Linux and Win95. Just load the utility disk to the MS partition and configure the card there. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com On Monday 23 July 2001 15:58, you wrote: > I have a need to run a 3c509B in PnP mode. (The legacy mode drivers > won't successfully install on my Windows 95 box.) Any body have a > working example of using pnpdump and isapnp to set such a beast up? > > If that doesn't work, any suggestions for a cheap ISA ethernet card > that works with Windows 95 and Linux? > > dsc > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 23 21:55:34 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> Message-ID: It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. The box is a PIII-500 with a TNT2-Ultra card in it (32MB, I think), and will be doing mostly typical X stuff (gv, emacs, netscrape, xterms) at 1280x1024. I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all are such a wealth of valuable experience. TIA, Andy From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Jul 23 22:19:12 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In-Reply-To: <20010723162949.A31169@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Not sure what to say about that? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Hi, Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/officefamily.asp Those of you who don't have the Internet Explorer close just download the mpeg: http://www.microsoft.com/switzerland/de/officexp/library/images/30sekdt01.mp eg Thanks for the Register for spotting this gem: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20563.html florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 23 22:27:57 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:34PM -0500 References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:34PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm > considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. > > The box is a PIII-500 with a TNT2-Ultra card in it (32MB, I think), and > will be doing mostly typical X stuff (gv, emacs, netscrape, xterms) at > 1280x1024. > > I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all > are such a wealth of valuable experience. One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you can get a top of the line 19" CRT (I've paid $520 for a NEC MultySync FP950 last spring and I'm very happy). That said, I've had nothing but good experiences with NEC and Hitachi CRTs. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Jul 23 22:52:36 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We use Viewsonic flat panels at my place of business (www.augusttech.com), on our machines, and would highly recommend them. These machines do automated visual inspection of silicon wafers for the microelectronics industry. I saw someone else mention ghosting on flat panels. These machines inspect very fast, we use the flat panels as review monitors to monitor the inspection process, I believe that the ghosting image issue has been solved. I say this because a lot of out older machines have the ghosting issue, but I haven't seen it on the newer ones. So I'd say go with a flat panel, I'd get one if I had money to blow. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 9:56 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. The box is a PIII-500 with a TNT2-Ultra card in it (32MB, I think), and will be doing mostly typical X stuff (gv, emacs, netscrape, xterms) at 1280x1024. I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all are such a wealth of valuable experience. TIA, Andy _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 23 22:52:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sf.net gone? Message-ID: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com> Did the sf.net go away? nslookup www.sf.net *** can't find www.sf.net: Non-existent host/domain [tanner@samurai redhat]$ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From heilja at master.dbsource.com Mon Jul 23 22:08:20 2001 From: heilja at master.dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SQL Server <-> Postgres Replication In-Reply-To: ; from Nate Carlson on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:49:43PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010723220820.B606@master.dbsource.com> Nate, Use any ERD tool to reverse engineer the database into MS SQL sql. If you get lucky, your ERD too will do Postgress. Then you can let the ERD tool convert the ERD from MS SQL to Postgress, and the sql code will follow. Otherwise, take that sql and go over it and change the syntax to fit the Postgress syntax. If both Postgress and MS SQL follow the ANSI standards pretty closely, then converting the sql should not be too bad. I would estiamte that you should be able to convert 70-80% with no problem. The rest you will have to do by hand. On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:49:43PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone know of a way to get Microsoft SQL server to replicate a database > to a Postgres server? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jul 23 23:32:11 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:27:57PM -0500 References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010724063211.D1515@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:27:57PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:34PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm > > considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. > > > > The box is a PIII-500 with a TNT2-Ultra card in it (32MB, I think), and > > will be doing mostly typical X stuff (gv, emacs, netscrape, xterms) at > > 1280x1024. > > > > I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all > > are such a wealth of valuable experience. > > One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. > I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good > resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you > can get a top of the line 19" CRT (I've paid $520 for a NEC MultySync FP950 > last spring and I'm very happy). I second that! Had a 15" flatscreen for the last two years and I wasn't all that good, would have loved to have a 19". > That said, I've had nothing but good experiences with NEC and Hitachi CRTs. I just got a Hitachi CM772 for my new box overhere and I love it! -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jul 23 23:36:51 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sf.net gone? In-Reply-To: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:52:28PM -0500 References: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010724063651.E1515@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:52:28PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Did the sf.net go away? > > nslookup www.sf.net > > *** can't find www.sf.net: Non-existent host/domain > [tanner@samurai redhat]$ Looks like somebody goofed up: [thomas@io ~]$ host -t NS sf.net Host not found. [thomas@io ~]$ whois sf.net # to find nameservers NS1.VALINUX.COM 198.186.202.135 NS2.VALINUX.COM 198.186.202.136 [thomas@io ~]$ host www.sf.net ns1.valinux.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.valinux.com Address: 198.186.202.135 Aliases: www.sf.net is a nickname for sf.net sf.net has address 216.136.171.196 sf.net has address 216.136.171.196 But I'm pretty sure your browser won't have any use for that except if you put it in /etc/hosts -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From dave at droyer.org Mon Jul 23 23:36:41 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sf.net gone? In-Reply-To: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com> References: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com> Message-ID: <995949401.1193.0.camel@merlin> I don't have the message availible but in an announcement I recieved from them ?yestarday? they mentioned the sf.net domain was having problems but would be up soon. Sorry I don't have a specific message but I do remember seeing something about it. Dave On 23 Jul 2001 22:52:28 -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Did the sf.net go away? > > nslookup www.sf.net > > *** can't find www.sf.net: Non-existent host/domain > [tanner@samurai redhat]$ > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jul 24 08:07:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings References: Message-ID: <3B5D730F.90503@mninter.net> Don't buy a KDS Amitron from Best Buy. Nice resolution, good colors, etc. However I just lost mine with a very loud "pop" this morning as I was looking for something for the wife on the internet. From what I've heard, others have had these monitors go out at under two years. It's supposed to be under warranty still, so I'll see how good the warranty service is from them. Shawn andy@theasis.com wrote: >It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm >considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. > >The box is a PIII-500 with a TNT2-Ultra card in it (32MB, I think), and >will be doing mostly typical X stuff (gv, emacs, netscrape, xterms) at >1280x1024. > >I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all >are such a wealth of valuable experience. > >TIA, > >Andy > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jul 24 08:04:02 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sf.net gone? References: <20010723225228.A31792@real-time.com> <995949401.1193.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <3B5D7242.9C94F386@structural-wood.com> Dave Royer wrote: > > I don't have the message availible but in an announcement I recieved > from them ?yestarday? they mentioned the sf.net domain was having > problems but would be up soon. Sorry I don't have a specific message > but I do remember seeing something about it. > > Dave > Here is the excerpt from the message I think you are referring to (I also received this yesterday) -------------------------------------------------------------------- The second issue is the domain name SF.NET. It's a great new domain for Sourceforge, when it works. It appears that there was a slight problem with DNS and Network solutions updating their root servers last night. The domain doesn't currently work but should be back online momentarily. http://sf.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 24 08:22:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:27:57PM -0500 References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010724082239.C31377@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:27:57PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. > I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good > resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you > can get a top of the line 19" CRT (I've paid $520 for a NEC MultySync FP950 > last spring and I'm very happy). Agreed. I picked up a 15" LCD a few months back (I don't recall the model offhand) and, while it looked great in the store, I rather quickly discovered that I couldn't look at it for long without getting a nasty headache. Fortunately, it was intended for a mini-terminal in my living room, not for my main workstation; I'm not sure that they make an LCD screen yet that I could look at all day without problems. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 24 07:24:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1211 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <01072321324701.01835@geezer> Message-ID: <20010724072445.P12165@ringworld.org> * Jack Ungerleider [010723 21:37]: > So that's why I never received that next issue! ;-) If you had a sub they probally switched you to some other mag of theres, probally Business 2.0 or something else completely stupid. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From steveg at transition.com Tue Jul 24 08:31:48 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBF99@postman.transition.com> > One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. > I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good > resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you > can get a top of the line 19" CRT (I've paid $520 for a NEC MultySync FP950 > last spring and I'm very happy). I second that! Had a 15" flatscreen for the last two years and I wasn't all that good, would have loved to have a 19". > That said, I've had nothing but good experiences with NEC and Hitachi CRTs. I just got a Hitachi CM772 for my new box overhere and I love it! We have a third, I use a Hitachi CM751 (19") both at work and at home at they make the 17" flat screen that the company president had to have look like a POS. Not only that but buy.com has the CM771 for $362, less than half of what we paid for a flatscreen. http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10246389&loc=14577 From cargods at storage.network.com Tue Jul 24 09:13:38 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode Message-ID: <200107241413.JAA01018@rainier.network.com> > In most cases the config you are sent work work for your card anyway > because your PnP settings will be different. > > I do have some tips for you: > In your bios, set PnP os to NO. > Scribble down what resources the card uses in windows. > > in linux: > modprobe 3c509 irq= io= > > When you find the settings that do work, you can add an entry in modutils. > something like > > alias eth0 3c509 > options 3c509 io= irq= > (anyone wanna double check that? Can't remember if that's correct...) > > Or if you've compiled in the 3c509 driver you can add: > append="ether=irq,io,eth0" > to /etc/lilo.conf > > I don't _think_ you have to use isapnptools with a 3c509, even if it is in > pnp mode, with linux, but I could be wrong. The driver has pretty good > autodetection as well so you might be able to get away with a simple > modprobe 3c509. > > PnP is nice and all, but there was something to be said about being able > to manually set your system resources. ;) > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org I was able to use modprobe 3c509, and it seemed to identify the card and (perhaps) set it up. As a module 3c509 does not like the io parameter. I think it was conf.modules that I added the alias and options commands to. The pnpdump and isapnp don't seem to be necessary in the later drivers. (This is on a Red Hat 6.2 system, something I hadn't mentioned earlier.) I'm missing the next steps. I think I will try the control panel and see about using those facilities for doing the next steps in configuring. Ultimately what I want is for my linux box to use DHCP to get an interface address from the Cisco 678 connecting me to my DSL line. dsc From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 24 09:35:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode In-Reply-To: <200107241413.JAA01018@rainier.network.com>; from cargods@storage.network.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:13:38AM -0500 References: <200107241413.JAA01018@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010724093519.A7654@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:13:38AM -0500, David S. Cargo wrote: > > Ultimately what I want is for my linux box to use DHCP to get an interface > address from the Cisco 678 connecting me to my DSL line. Oh, no! Somebody stop him! 8) Gee, man, you don't _NEED_ DHCP if you have a couple of computers and a router. Use static addresses: I have four computers that I insert/delete/update parts fairly often but I've given them IP's a year ago and I did not have any reason to change them. And I don't have an internal DNS either - I've put one for proxy because the Qwest one looks like is running on Windows95 on a 386... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 24 09:36:07 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > It's time to replace the monitor on one of the workstations here, and I'm > considering a 17" TFT/Flat panel LCD, such as the Viewsonic VG175. What purpose are you wanting one? For the nice slim look or do you have space requirements? TFT screens have made a lot of progress, especially with the depixelation. It now looks decent at lower resolutions. I think they still have a refresh problem, I wouldn't want to game on one just yet. The nicest one I've seen is the Apple Studio Display, I watched a DVD on one at Microcenter and it was very impressive. I debated buying a 17" TFT or a 19" CRT and I'm much happier with my CRT. It was about 1/3 the price too. The day will come when I buy a 25" TFT screen and it will be really cool. That day is not today. If I were you I'd wait to buy one. The technology is getting better, and the price is getting more competitive with CRTs. Meanwhile CRTs just keep getting cheaper. I picked up my 19" CTX for $250 after rebate, I've seen them for under $200 now. Of course, if you have the money to throw around, pick yourself up a 19" or 21" Viewsonic Perfectflat CRT, IMHO they have just as good a picture as a TFT ever will. -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 09:47:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Message-ID: Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kethry at winternet.com Tue Jul 24 09:50:52 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: we might On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 24 09:57:40 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 References: Message-ID: <00ec01c11450$fd3d5980$3028680a@tgt.com> I know of one. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Jul 24 10:06:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A839A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I might too. Qwest is moving to DMT though, so new service from them will require the 678. If you have existing service, the 675 will probably be fine. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 > > > I know of one. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nate Carlson" > To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:47 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 > > > > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From djp at visi.com Tue Jul 24 10:09:55 2001 From: djp at visi.com (Doug Pomerenke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 References: <00ec01c11450$fd3d5980$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B5D8FC3.222D20F1@visi.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > I know of one. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nate Carlson" > To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:47 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 > > > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? > > > > -- I have one that I'm willing to sell. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 24 10:20:00 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:47:31AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010724102000.H31377@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:47:31AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? Yup. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 24 10:48:34 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A839A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:06:50AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A839A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:06:50AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I might too. Qwest is moving to DMT though, so new service from them will > require the 678. If you have existing service, the 675 will probably be > fine. I saw a Cisco 678 for $50 at Computer Renaissance in Roseville. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 10:55:32 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Whats the change with Qwest? Whats DMT? Colin Kilbane From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 10:56:07 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Has anyone else been hit hard by that red worm bugger? Colin Kilbane From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 11:24:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:34PM -0500 References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010724112401.E9636@real-time.com> > I thought I'd check here for any recommendations or warnings, since y'all > are such a wealth of valuable experience. I second everyone's cautions about flat panels vs. CRTs. for the money, you can still get a *much* nicer CRT, for the same money as a flat panel. some people like flat panels because they don't have refresh-rate problems (flicker); but neither does a CRT if you take the time to tweak it (*much* easier on X than Windows). I've got a 21" Hitachi CM802 that I'll sell you for $300. works beautifully; ask Nate Carlson. We've been using it here at the office, just because it's so much fun to play with. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Jul 24 11:24:17 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:56:07AM -0500 References: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> Yup. I do some work for a non-profit organization which has four offices connected to the 'net via DSL. Three of their modems were hit by the worm. It was also relatively easy to fix. Just have someone on-site power cycle the modem, ssh into the site and change the web port. Thanks to those on the list who supplied the information as to how to fix. Eric On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:56:07AM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Has anyone else been hit hard by that red worm bugger? > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Tue Jul 24 11:31:00 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> References: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> <20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20010724113100.64985103.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:24:17 -0500 "Eric Stanley" wrote: > Yup. I do some work for a non-profit organization which has four > offices connected to the 'net via DSL. Three of their modems were hit > by the worm. > > It was also relatively easy to fix. Just have someone on-site power > cycle the modem, ssh into the site and change the web port. Thanks to > those on the list who supplied the information as to how to fix. Or upgrade the CBOS version, which is a better long-term fix. There are many useful enhancements in the new 2.4.1 and up versions. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 11:35:46 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Thanks! From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 24 11:38:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 References: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org><20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> <20010724113100.64985103.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01a201c1145f$12204d40$3028680a@tgt.com> I believe 2.4.1 is vulnerable as well. 2.4.2 is what you want :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:24:17 -0500 > "Eric Stanley" wrote: > > > Yup. I do some work for a non-profit organization which has four > > offices connected to the 'net via DSL. Three of their modems were hit > > by the worm. > > > > It was also relatively easy to fix. Just have someone on-site power > > cycle the modem, ssh into the site and change the web port. Thanks to > > those on the list who supplied the information as to how to fix. > > Or upgrade the CBOS version, which is a better long-term fix. There are > many useful enhancements in the new 2.4.1 and up versions. > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 11:41:23 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Based Email Server In-Reply-To: <20010723161824.J12165@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:18:24PM -0500 References: <20010723161824.J12165@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010724114123.A24848@real-time.com> > ISPMAN looks interesting. www.ispman.org no it doesn't. their page gives absolutely *no* introduction to the product. No screenshots, no demo, not even a description of what it is. nothing to show that it's not a waste of a couple of hours to download it, install it, and try it out. too much useless and irrelevant crap on their page... doesn't lend any hope for the quality of their product design. if they can't be troubled to give a basic introduction to their product; then may Darwin take it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 24 11:44:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <01a201c1145f$12204d40$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I believe 2.4.1 is vulnerable as well. 2.4.2 is what you want :) IIRC 2.4.1 is OK. It's any version < 2.4.1. But in the event that you're upgrading your modem, might as well go for 2.4.2 From npt at visi.com Tue Jul 24 11:53:01 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi. so, i'm going completely crazy and i was wondering if someone might point me in a direction i haven't tried yet. yesterday afternoon: mt -f /dev/nst0 erase no response. wait a bit. ps tells me it's dead. kill 22107 kill -9 22107 kill -KILL 22107 nothing. ps fauwx, then killed all process associated with it. still, this damn process will not go away. maybe i'm being stupid, and i hope i am, but is there anything left to do before rebooting? anyway, any help would be greatly appreciate as i'd just as soon not bring down this machine.. thanks nick ------------------------------------------ unix. nick thompson npt@visi.com ------------------------------------------ From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 24 11:54:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724113100.64985103.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:31:00AM -0500 References: <20010724104834.B7654@beaver.iucha.org> <20010724112417.A30567@knicknack.net> <20010724113100.64985103.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010724115417.D7654@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:31:00AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:24:17 -0500 > "Eric Stanley" wrote: > > > Yup. I do some work for a non-profit organization which has four > > offices connected to the 'net via DSL. Three of their modems were hit > > by the worm. > > > > It was also relatively easy to fix. Just have someone on-site power > > cycle the modem, ssh into the site and change the web port. Thanks to > > those on the list who supplied the information as to how to fix. > > Or upgrade the CBOS version, which is a better long-term fix. There are > many useful enhancements in the new 2.4.1 and up versions. Such as toasted SNMP. Cisco _IDIOTS_. They "have support" for SNMP in 2.2.0. They really add it in 2.3.x series. With CBOS 2.4.1 I can interrogate the router but it will give me 0s. The release notes for 2.4.2 say something about fixing SNMP: now snmpwalk _crashes_ the router. Of course having a silly linux user in Minnesota able to extract silly traffic graphs with mrtg is not a corporate priority for CISCO but still... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 24 12:07:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010724115417.D7654@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010724120734.R12165@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [010724 11:57]: > Cisco _IDIOTS_. That DSL product was an aquired product. Get a Real Product that cisco makes that runs IOS if you need stuff to actually work. That might cost lots of money though :( -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 12:07:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest Remote DSLAM Deployment Message-ID: Well, ladies and gents, I've got the list of where Qwest is going to deploy remote DSLAM's. Not sure if I'm allowed to give it out, so if you want me to check and see if you're gonna be able to get DSL, send me your address, ph#, and which CO you're hooked up through, and I'll let'cha know the nearest Remote DSLAM. Just to make this easier, here's an almost-complete list of cities: Anoka Bloomington Blaine Burnsville Cottage Grove Eagan Eden Prairie Excelsior Fridley Golden Valley Hopkins Minneapolis Maplewood North St. Paul Plymouth Shoreview St. Paul Stillwater Wayzata Good news (for me) is when they are done, I'll be able to get DSL at home. Yay! :) They are doing a Remote DSLAM 3 blocks from my house.. heh. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 12:25:58 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! Message-ID: <20010724122558.B27218@real-time.com> > mt -f /dev/nst0 erase > > no response. wait a bit. ps tells me it's dead. > > kill 22107 > kill -9 22107 > kill -KILL 22107 > > nothing. happens sometimes. I don't know exactly what the problem is; but I've seen tape drives (and CD-ROM drives) hang processes like this. I suspect it's something to do with taking too long to reply to a request. going to runlevel 1 (single-user) *may* fix the problem. it may fix this instance of the problem; and then the device may not work at all, until you reboot. Or it may work fine. electronic devices with moving parts suck. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Tue Jul 24 12:28:22 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010724132822.B6588@lemongecko.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:47:31AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Someone still have a Cisco 675 for sale? I have a Cisco 678 that I won't be using after July 31st. It's in the TCLUG classifieds: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Thanks, Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 24 12:28:27 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest Remote DSLAM Deployment References: Message-ID: <01d801c11466$0d26c970$3028680a@tgt.com> How about the CNRPMNND central office/wire center? Thank in advance, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest Remote DSLAM Deployment > Well, ladies and gents, I've got the list of where Qwest is going to > deploy remote DSLAM's. Not sure if I'm allowed to give it out, so if you > want me to check and see if you're gonna be able to get DSL, send me your > address, ph#, and which CO you're hooked up through, and I'll let'cha know > the nearest Remote DSLAM. Just to make this easier, here's an > almost-complete list of cities: > > Anoka > Bloomington > Blaine > Burnsville > Cottage Grove > Eagan > Eden Prairie > Excelsior > Fridley > Golden Valley > Hopkins > Minneapolis > Maplewood > North St. Paul > Plymouth > Shoreview > St. Paul > Stillwater > Wayzata > > Good news (for me) is when they are done, I'll be able to get DSL at home. > Yay! :) They are doing a Remote DSLAM 3 blocks from my house.. heh. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Jul 24 12:40:26 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinuxToday In-Reply-To: <20010723183111.B16438@real-time.com> Message-ID: I noticed the same about 3 weeks or so ago. I have started monitoring http://lwn.net/daily/. They usually have stuff faster and more of it. Scott's reference to the astroturfing would only account for a drop in user postings, but I noticed a dramatic drop in news postings before this came to light. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner |Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:31 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] LinuxToday | | |Is it me or has the number of postings to LinuxToday dropped significantly? | |-- |Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 |http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 |Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 12:50:56 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FrontPage 2000/2002 Extensions Message-ID: Well, we've got a client that wants to use a database through *shudder* FrontPage 2000. We've got a Linux box with the FrontPage extensions set up (on a box completely isolated from the rest of our own network, of course!), but when he goes into the part of FrontPage that lets you create the Database connection, he gets the message: 'The FrontPage database features are not available on this web, for one of the following reasons: the web server admin may have disabled them; the server extensions may not support the necessary interfaces; or the Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) component may not be installed on the web server.' Anyone have any clue if this is even possible with an Apache box and mod_frontpage? Microsoft's documentation is, well, sparse. I have 2000 installed; can update to 2002 if needed. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From joel at luths.net Tue Jul 24 13:15:45 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <995998545.3b5dbb51ea61c@www.luths.net> Got me, and another guy at work who uses a 675. Could have sworn I had restricted the web server to my inside IP, but no. I suppose I should just turn it off (and upgrade f/w). Quoting Colin Kilbane : > Has anyone else been hit hard by that red worm bugger? > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From fritchie at mr.net Tue Jul 24 13:08:23 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: MRTG with the Cisco 675, was Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: Message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:54:17 CDT." <20010724115417.D7654@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <200107241808.f6OI8NB22866@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "fi" == Florin Iucha writes: fi> The release notes for 2.4.2 say something about fixing SNMP: now fi> snmpwalk _crashes_ the router. fi> Of course having a silly linux user in Minnesota able to extract fi> silly traffic graphs with mrtg is not a corporate priority for fi> CISCO but still... For the last couple of years I've been using MRTG to gather stats via the Telnet interface. MRTG's support for external programs for stats gathering is handy. See http://www.snookles.com/mrtg/ for the stats, as produced by MRTG and by a summary script I wrote to put all the 5-minute graphs into a single page, all the 15-minute, etc. Source code at http://www.snookles.com/matthew/675-mrtg-stuff/. Most user-editable stuff is in the getrawdata.pl script (IP address, password). There are some hard-coded paths in the other scripts, but they're up at the top and should be obvious. I've also got a sample crontab entry there. -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie Professional Governing: Is It Faked? From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 24 13:10:07 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FrontPage 2000/2002 Extensions References: Message-ID: <023401c1146b$dfa40890$3028680a@tgt.com> Did you try installing unix-ODBC? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [TCLUG] FrontPage 2000/2002 Extensions > Well, we've got a client that wants to use a database through *shudder* > FrontPage 2000. We've got a Linux box with the FrontPage extensions set up > (on a box completely isolated from the rest of our own network, of > course!), but when he goes into the part of FrontPage that lets you create > the Database connection, he gets the message: > > 'The FrontPage database features are not available on this web, for one of > the following reasons: the web server admin may have disabled them; the > server extensions may not support the necessary interfaces; or the Open > Database Connectivity (ODBC) component may not be installed on the web > server.' > > Anyone have any clue if this is even possible with an Apache box and > mod_frontpage? Microsoft's documentation is, well, sparse. > > I have 2000 installed; can update to 2002 if needed. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Jul 24 13:14:03 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: <20010724122558.B27218@real-time.com> Message-ID: Depending on the size of the tape, that could take a very long time. An erase isn't always a quick operation. If you think it might not be working properly, do a 'dmesg' while it's operating and see if any errors have come up (I'm mainly familiar with SCSI at this point, so your mileage may vary if you're using something else). You should also try a kill -HUP before jumping to kill -9. Making the process hang may've hosed you. I'm not sure what else you could do if those kills weren't enough. If your tape is external, try unplugging it and waiting a few minutes (I'd give it at least 10) to fail out with an I/O failure. If that doesn't work, you're probably stuck rebooting or possibly changing runlevel. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > mt -f /dev/nst0 erase > > > > no response. wait a bit. ps tells me it's dead. > > > > kill 22107 > > kill -9 22107 > > kill -KILL 22107 > > > > nothing. > > happens sometimes. I don't know exactly what the problem is; but I've seen > tape drives (and CD-ROM drives) hang processes like this. I suspect it's > something to do with taking too long to reply to a request. > > going to runlevel 1 (single-user) *may* fix the problem. it may fix this > instance of the problem; and then the device may not work at all, until you > reboot. Or it may work fine. > > electronic devices with moving parts suck. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 13:18:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: <20010724122558.B27218@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > electronic devices with moving parts suck. All devices with moving parts eventually suck. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 24 13:25:38 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:44 2005 Subject: MRTG with the Cisco 675, was Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <200107241808.f6OI8NB22866@snookles.snookles.com>; from fritchie@mr.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:08:23PM -0500 References: <20010724115417.D7654@beaver.iucha.org> <200107241808.f6OI8NB22866@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: <20010724132538.E7654@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:08:23PM -0500, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: > >>>>> "fi" == Florin Iucha writes: > > fi> The release notes for 2.4.2 say something about fixing SNMP: now > fi> snmpwalk _crashes_ the router. > > fi> Of course having a silly linux user in Minnesota able to extract > fi> silly traffic graphs with mrtg is not a corporate priority for > fi> CISCO but still... > > For the last couple of years I've been using MRTG to gather stats via > the Telnet interface. MRTG's support for external programs for stats > gathering is handy. See http://www.snookles.com/mrtg/ for the stats, > as produced by MRTG and by a summary script I wrote to put all the > 5-minute graphs into a single page, all the 15-minute, etc. > > Source code at http://www.snookles.com/matthew/675-mrtg-stuff/. Most > user-editable stuff is in the getrawdata.pl script (IP address, > password). There are some hard-coded paths in the other scripts, but > they're up at the top and should be obvious. I've also got a sample > crontab entry there. Thank you. I have implemented the same thing in C, over the serial port :). But I have liked not to have to do that, and let mrtg do it over snmp. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 13:24:42 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A839A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B5DBD6A.4030605@tc.umn.edu> I have a 678 I'm not using, if you need that. -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minnapolis, MN 55413 (612) 331-4125 chri0704@tc.umn.edu From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jul 24 14:26:04 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! References: <20010724122558.B27218@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B5DCBCC.6040204@mninter.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >electronic devices with moving parts suck. > Nah, it really sucks when you have to try and fix them. Particularly when it involves power windows and Cadillacs.... Shawn From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 24 14:34:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: <3B5DCBCC.6040204@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:26:04PM -0500 References: <20010724122558.B27218@real-time.com> <3B5DCBCC.6040204@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010724143442.B7968@real-time.com> > Nah, it really sucks when you have to try and fix them. Particularly > when it involves power windows and Cadillacs.... ROFL! 'bout fell out of my chair at that. :) (for those who don't know, I'm having problems with the passenger-side power window on my Cadillac.) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Tue Jul 24 14:33:02 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading Cisco CBOS with Minicom Message-ID: <3B5DCD6E.7F7A21B0@steinerpoint.com> A while back Bill Layer described how to update the Cisco 675/678 bios with tftp. He said he was not able to upgrade with minicom and xmodem. The trick to get xmodem to work from minicom is to set 1k mode. Do this by going to the minicom cOnfigure menu (control-A O) and selecting the File Transfer Protocols item. Then for xmodem upload (the sx program) change the Program field by adding the option "--1k". On my system the full program field is then "/usr/bin/sx -vv --1k". Don't change any other fields on the File Transfer Protocols screen (the user interface on this screen is a little tricky/obscure). Then you can upload the new CBOS firmware: - connect management cable - run minicom, 38400 8N1, no flow control on the serial port with the management cable attached - press return in minicom to get login message from the Cisco 675/678 - login to the Cisco 675/678 - enter the "enable" command and the password - enter the "set download code" command - start the xmodem transfer from minicom - when the transfer is complete, reboot the Cisco 675/678 A tech at visi said xmodem was safer than tftp, since if the upload is interrupted you are less likely to end up with a partially updated and useless modem. Don't know if that is true or not. -- Al From blayer at qwest.net Tue Jul 24 16:48:06 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading Cisco CBOS with Minicom In-Reply-To: <3B5DCD6E.7F7A21B0@steinerpoint.com> References: <3B5DCD6E.7F7A21B0@steinerpoint.com> Message-ID: <20010724164806.62805c82.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:33:02 -0500 "Al Borchers" wrote: > A while back Bill Layer described how to update the Cisco 675/678 > bios with tftp. He said he was not able to upgrade with minicom > and xmodem. Thanks much for figuring it out, I knew I was missing something... > A tech at visi said xmodem was safer than tftp, since if the upload is > interrupted you are less likely to end up with a partially updated and > useless modem. Don't know if that is true or not. Ok.. but the tftp xfer takes like 7 seconds.. how long does the serial transfer take? I would think that a longer xfer might just be more likely to be interrupted. Anyway, doesn't the Cisco check the flash CRC checksums on reboot, before it ever does any re-programming? You'd think that would make bad transfer a non-issue. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 17:27:35 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: <3B5DCBCC.6040204@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Shawn wrote: > Nah, it really sucks when you have to try and fix them. Particularly > when it involves power windows and Cadillacs.... You mean Carl's, or like the pneumatic power windows on the '59 (or so) limos? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Jul 24 17:45:43 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [FWD] Red Herring: The DSL debacle Message-ID: <20010724174543.B24433@iaxs.net> This came through a techie list I'm on - thought I'd see what comments the TCLUG'ers had about it! ----- Forwarded message from Michael Brian Bentley ----- An intriguing article about how the RBOCs may have intentionally caused problems and delays in the process of installing DSL equipment to support ISPs. http://www.herring.com/index.asp?layout=story&channel=%25&doc_id=170019817&rh_special_report_id= "...Mr. Olson says that in late 1999, when Oacys owned about 85 percent of the local dial-up market, his customers began asking about DSL. At that time, he says, his Pac Bell account manager assured him Pac Bell wouldn't offer DSL in Porterville because of its relatively weak demographics (a small population and little industry). One week later, he discovered by accident that Pac Bell, in fact, would begin selling DSL in Porterville within a month. Unoffended, he ordered DSL line provisioning for Oacys. "They didn't have the pricing worked out, but they gave me some price quotes verbally that they later backed out on," he says." "Thus began a 15-month ordeal that left Mr. Olson sworn off DSL forever. Pac Bell originally claimed it would have the Oacys DSLAM running within a month but didn't deliver service until November 2000, one year after Oacys filed its application. The delays included everything from simple stonewalling to technicians hooking up the DSLAM to the wrong power panel, according to Mr. Olson. The Keystone Kops quality of the situation might have been amusing had Oacys not begun losing customers during the delay. "It was definitely an 'egg on our face' situation," Mr. Olson says." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 18:49:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mt just won't die! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010724184900.72a71fe6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> nick wrote: > > hi. so, i'm going completely crazy and i was wondering if someone might > point me in a direction i haven't tried yet. > > yesterday afternoon: > > mt -f /dev/nst0 erase > > no response. wait a bit. ps tells me it's dead. Looks like the normal behavior to me. mt will only print out messages during/after an erase if there were errors. It's not dead -- it's waiting on I/O from the drive. The drive does the erase on it's own, and will tell the system when it is done (often hours later). No, you can't interrupt it without a reboot (or maybe a paperclip, if your drive has some manual override mechanism). For future reference, there isn't much reason to erase a tape before using it, as far as I know. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't confuse me with the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ facts. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010724/e9506738/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 24 22:10:39 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest Remote DSLAM Deployment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010724221039.T12165@ringworld.org> > Golden Valley I thought I heard a quote of Horwath of visi fame saying that Golden Valley is a digital ghetto :) (i think St. Louis Park was mentioned too...) Nice to see its getting something now. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 24 22:13:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [FWD] Red Herring: The DSL debacle In-Reply-To: <20010724174543.B24433@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010724221337.U12165@ringworld.org> > An intriguing article about how the RBOCs may have intentionally > caused problems and delays in the process of installing DSL equipment > to support ISPs. This is exactly why 'big' companies like AT&T avoided lots of 'residential' dsl stuff and just bought a whole ton of companies with existing, upgradable local infrastructure on a 'packet-based' network that doesn't have 'terrifed' services yet. (It will happen, sooner than later) It's quite amusing that they've gotten this far without starting another witch-hunt. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From CryoFlame2 at SoftHome.net Tue Jul 24 22:41:45 2001 From: CryoFlame2 at SoftHome.net (Tyler Barth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Message-ID: <000801c114bb$ba974440$0300a8c0@www.onvoy.com> I'm having the damnedest time with my internet lately. I've been attacked by Code Red many times, and, now that I've disabled web manager, I'm unable to access a handful of websites. For example, I can go to yahoo.com, but it times out if I search. I can run AIM, but my e-mail doesn't work (maybe it works once every few hours). Now, I go to the Cisco website and find out that I can't even download an update for hardware that I own. Apparently I have to be a Reseller or something. B. S. Anyways, I'm interested in getting that 2.4.1, or 2.4.2 if you've located it. I'll continue trying to get my hands on it, with the limited internet site access I have (3/4 the links I click on don't work, it seems like DNS problems or something). Thanks, Tyler P.S. I'm in Minnesota too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010724/b6f19954/attachment.html From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 24 22:54:36 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <000801c114bb$ba974440$0300a8c0@www.onvoy.com> References: <000801c114bb$ba974440$0300a8c0@www.onvoy.com> Message-ID: <20010724225436.14d0edd2.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Tyler Barth" wrote: > > I'm having the damnedest time with my internet lately. I've been > attacked by Code Red many times, and, now that I've disabled web > manager, I'm unable to access a handful of websites. For example, I can > go to yahoo.com, but it times out if I search. I can run AIM, but my > e-mail doesn't work (maybe it works once every few hours). Random thought, since things like this happen to me when I forget, are you running Linux 2.4? Did you enable Explicit Congestion Notification when you compiled the kernel? Try `echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ She did WHAT with WHO for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ HOW MANY Mini-Oreos? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010724/f97018e9/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 24 22:53:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <000801c114bb$ba974440$0300a8c0@www.onvoy.com> Message-ID: <20010724225347.V12165@ringworld.org> > Now, I go to the Cisco website and find out that I can't even download an > update for hardware that I own. Apparently I have to be a Reseller or > something. B. S. Cisco is not interested in supporting residential level customers directly. Buy a Real(tm) Cisco product and service contract and you get some pretty cool benefits. But thats usually for small businesses and up, not residential customers. I wish I could get Cisco's cable modem though. MN mediaone doesn't let you do that here. :| AFAIK it runs IOS, not that CBOS crap :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Jul 25 00:04:55 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php pass array to fuction? Message-ID: Php question guys. I want to write a function so I can run in php: $result = mysql_query($query); while ($line = mysql_fetch_assoc($result)){ user_call_func_array('displayresults', $line); } where displayresults takes the results from the query and formats them. The problem is that the fields returned in the array change depending onthe query (I have multiple tables with different fields). So I can't really reduce the array $line into a set of variables. But when I try to pass the array $line, the function displayresults only gets $line as a string. Same with user_call_func. Can I pass an array to a function? Thanks, Ben From mwagner at mysql.com Wed Jul 25 00:48:58 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php pass array to fuction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15198.24010.343323.384700@evoq.mwagner.org> Ben Luey writes: > Php question guys. > > I want to write a function so I can run in php: > > $result = mysql_query($query); > while ($line = mysql_fetch_assoc($result)){ > user_call_func_array('displayresults', $line); > } > > where displayresults takes the results from the query and formats them. > The problem is that the fields returned in the array change depending > onthe query (I have multiple tables with different fields). So I can't > really reduce the array $line into a set of variables. But when I try to > pass the array $line, the function displayresults only gets $line as a > string. Same with user_call_func. > > Can I pass an array to a function? Yes, you can. You just have to make sure to prototype the variable in your function. Like this: ------------------------- $my_array = array ( "foo" => "bar", "knuckle" => "head", ); my_func ('displayresults', $my_array); function my_func ($string, $your_array) { echo "String: $string
"; echo "Array: " . $your_array['knuckle']"; return; } ------------------------- Regards, Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 25 03:45:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scheduled maintenance 26-Jul-2001 at 2:30am CDT Mailman upgrade Message-ID: <20010725034532.A12053@real-time.com> What : Schedule maintenance When : 26-Jul-2001 02:30 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Upgrading mailman 2.0.5 Details ------- I'll be upgrading mailman to 2.0.5 to keep us current with the latest release and to fix some of the annoying admin bugs. Should be back up in 15 minutes. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 25 04:46:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do-it-yourself MAPS/ORBS? Message-ID: <20010725044609.C12053@real-time.com> This whole MAPS thing just pisses me off. To me MAPS is just a community parasite. Anyways, as we work through how to replace MAPS and not 100% sure if these ORBS replacement people are going to be ready, I thought, why can't you do MAPS-like stuff yourself? I asked MAPS for their RSS testing tool, so I could test sites myself before submitting them to the database. I as told it was not possible for "legal" reasons. I thought it was weird, but dismissed it. Looking back at it now got me to thinking MAPS probably had this whole commerical thing planned from the start and that is why they would not release the RSS testing tool. Working through my anger, I thought why isn't there an open source project for MAPS-like software? Then ISPs like Real Time could just setup and MAPS-like database itself -just- for its clients. OR better yet, something like SHoMN (spam haters of Minnesota) and get all the local ISPs to have some sort of distributed zonefile like MAPS does now. So, anyone know of any open source project that provides MAPS-like features? How did these re-born ORBS people get the original ORBS software? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Tue Jul 24 23:57:39 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives Message-ID: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> For SCSI tape drive support I just have to make sure that its compiled into my kernel or a module. Now anyone have any suggestions for software? Jason From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Jul 25 08:10:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives In-Reply-To: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: www.amanda.org Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jamie at getsetnet.net Wed Jul 25 07:23:46 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? Message-ID: Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym ROTFLMAO?? -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 25 08:39:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > ROTFLMAO?? ROTFLMFAO. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 25 08:58:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading Cisco CBOS with Minicom In-Reply-To: <20010724164806.62805c82.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > Anyway, doesn't the Cisco check the flash CRC checksums on reboot, before > it ever does any re-programming? You'd think that would make bad transfer > a non-issue. I was under the impression that it didn't, like it just dumped the new CBOS right into flash. If it used the checksum before flashing, you could in theory kill the modem during transfer and all would be fine. According to the docs, that'll kill your modem forever. On a Real Cisco, it does the same thing (erases flash, download IOS) but it also has a crappy IOS version in ROM in case you really fsck up the download. I realize the 675/678s are not really a concern to Cisco, but how hard would it be for them to put a ROM in the modem with an old version of CBOS? -Brian From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jul 25 08:46:22 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives In-Reply-To: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> References: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: Taper works pretty good for me. ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com writes: > For SCSI tape drive support I just have to make sure that its compiled into my > kernel or a module. Now anyone have any suggestions for software? > > > > Jason -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From cfandre at fandre.com Wed Jul 25 09:17:34 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: RE: public speaker Message-ID: <20010725091734.A11847@fandre.com> Anyone interested in spreading the word? If so, please reply to Gordy at gordon@gokrs.com ----- Forwarded message from gordons@gokrs.com ----- > To: cfandre@fandre.com > From: gordons@gokrs.com > Subject: RE: public speaker > > > Please forward this as mentioned in your response. This is my class schedule > times: Monday 10:30am-3:30pm and 5:30pm-1030pm. Wednesday same hours. Thank > you for your time and I hope to hear from one of the TCLUG members on this. > > gordons@gokrs.com [gordons@gokrs.com] wrote: > > Hello, > > I am an instructor at KRS Computer and Business School in Bloomington. I > > teach the Network+ course and am looking for volunteers to speak to my > > class. I thought it would be a good idea to invite speakers from different > > orginizations in the Twin Cities area. This would be a great opportunity > for > > your orginization to talk to a group of students that are about to enter > the > > IT workforce. My name is Gordy Scott and I can be reached at 952.835.1410 > > ext 179. Thank you for your time! > > Gordy ----- End forwarded message ----- From andy at theasis.com Wed Jul 25 09:20:39 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > ROTFLMAO?? > > ROTFLMFAO. FOMCROTFLMFAOUID Andy > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 25 09:31:45 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading Cisco CBOS with Minicom In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 08:58:27AM -0500 References: <20010724164806.62805c82.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010725093145.A17549@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 08:58:27AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > > Anyway, doesn't the Cisco check the flash CRC checksums on reboot, before > > it ever does any re-programming? You'd think that would make bad transfer > > a non-issue. > > I was under the impression that it didn't, like it just dumped the new > CBOS right into flash. If it used the checksum before flashing, you could > in theory kill the modem during transfer and all would be fine. According > to the docs, that'll kill your modem forever. It does. I think the docs haven't got updated but a little extra precaution doesn't hurt anyway... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From cfandre at fandre.com Wed Jul 25 09:43:57 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Fwd: RE: public speaker Message-ID: <20010725094356.A12144@fandre.com> Whoops. Gordy's email is gordons@gokrs.com ----- Forwarded message from Clay Fandre ----- > To: tclug-announce , > tclug-list > Cc: gordon@gokrs.com > From: Clay Fandre > Subject: Fwd: RE: public speaker > X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18pre21 on an i586 > > Anyone interested in spreading the word? > > If so, please reply to Gordy at gordon@gokrs.com > > ----- Forwarded message from gordons@gokrs.com ----- > > > To: cfandre@fandre.com > > From: gordons@gokrs.com > > Subject: RE: public speaker > > > > > > Please forward this as mentioned in your response. This is my class schedule > > times: Monday 10:30am-3:30pm and 5:30pm-1030pm. Wednesday same hours. Thank > > you for your time and I hope to hear from one of the TCLUG members on this. > > > > gordons@gokrs.com [gordons@gokrs.com] wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am an instructor at KRS Computer and Business School in Bloomington. I > > > teach the Network+ course and am looking for volunteers to speak to my > > > class. I thought it would be a good idea to invite speakers from different > > > orginizations in the Twin Cities area. This would be a great opportunity > > for > > > your orginization to talk to a group of students that are about to enter > > the > > > IT workforce. My name is Gordy Scott and I can be reached at 952.835.1410 > > > ext 179. Thank you for your time! > > > Gordy > > ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- End forwarded message ----- From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Jul 25 09:55:39 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010725105539.A8762@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:23:46AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > ROTFLMAO?? (ROTFLMAO)^n where n is an integer greater than one. :) -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 25 11:06:58 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > > ROTFLMAO?? > > > > ROTFLMFAO. > > FOMCROTFLMFAOUID Hey, how'd you get my password?! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From list at slushpupie.com Wed Jul 25 11:16:15 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, I give. What does FOMCROTFLMFAOUID stand for? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > ROTFLMAO?? > > ROTFLMFAO. FOMCROTFLMFAOUID Andy > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Wed Jul 25 11:42:27 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ok, I give. What does FOMCROTFLMFAOUID stand for? Fell Off My Chair Rolling On The Floor Laughing My F* Ass Off Until I Die Andy From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Jul 25 11:42:34 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? References: Message-ID: <3B5EF6FA.7050001@winternet.com> I suspect he just fell asleep at the keyboard. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Jay Kline wrote: > Ok, I give. What does FOMCROTFLMFAOUID stand for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? > > > >>> Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym >>>ROTFLMAO?? >>> >> ROTFLMFAO. >> > > FOMCROTFLMFAOUID > > Andy > > >> >> >>-Yaron >> From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 25 12:33:04 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives In-Reply-To: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com>; from ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:57:39AM +0000 References: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <20010725193304.B11946@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:57:39AM +0000, ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com wrote: > > For SCSI tape drive support I just have to make sure that its compiled into my > kernel or a module. Now anyone have any suggestions for software? If you're really really interested in backing up, there's an excellent book from O'Reilly on this topic: "Unix Backup and Recovery", I can highly recommend this book. -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 25 12:36:19 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 08:10:00AM -0500 References: <200107250457.f6P4vdT01914@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <20010725123619.L5170@real-time.com> > www.amanda.org take a look at afbackup.sourceforge.net it's an alternative to amanda. I don't know anything about it; but it may be better than amanda in some ways. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 25 12:42:05 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com writes: > > > For SCSI tape drive support I just have to make sure that its compiled into my > > kernel or a module. Now anyone have any suggestions for software? > > Search freshmeat. Among other things I want to get my SCSI tape drive working again soon, so if you find something good please share :-) -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 25 12:55:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do-it-yourself MAPS/ORBS? In-Reply-To: <20010725044609.C12053@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:46:09AM -0500 References: <20010725044609.C12053@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010725195513.C11946@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:46:09AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > This whole MAPS thing just pisses me off. To me MAPS is just a community > parasite. > > Anyways, as we work through how to replace MAPS and not 100% sure if these ORBS > replacement people are going to be ready, I thought, why can't you do MAPS-like > stuff yourself? > > I asked MAPS for their RSS testing tool, so I could test sites myself before > submitting them to the database. I as told it was not possible for "legal" > reasons. I thought it was weird, but dismissed it. > > Looking back at it now got me to thinking MAPS probably had this whole > commerical thing planned from the start and that is why they would not release > the RSS testing tool. > > Working through my anger, I thought why isn't there an open source project for > MAPS-like software? Then ISPs like Real Time could just setup and MAPS-like > database itself -just- for its clients. Or you could become an American branch of any of the new ORBS', but I think that would be something hogging bandwidth. > OR better yet, something like SHoMN (spam haters of Minnesota) and get all the > local ISPs to have some sort of distributed zonefile like MAPS does now. > > So, anyone know of any open source project that provides MAPS-like features? It's not likely that any of the re-born ORBS people wants to release any of their software, sadly. They think that anyone could make a clone and be better than them, that's the right mentality! *sigh* > How did these re-born ORBS people get the original ORBS software? Ordb wrote all their tools from scratch. -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Jul 25 14:18:01 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010725141801.B1552@iaxs.net> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:23:46AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > ROTFLMAO?? LOLAST(D|C|S|K) -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 25 14:16:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: <20010725141801.B1552@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:18:01PM -0500 References: <20010725141801.B1552@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010725141604.G9552@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:18:01PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:23:46AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > ROTFLMAO?? > > LOLAST(D|C|S|K) That reminds me... C|N>K -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Jul 25 14:51:13 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: <20010725141604.G9552@sherohman.org> References: <20010725141801.B1552@iaxs.net> <20010725141604.G9552@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010725145113.D1552@iaxs.net> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:16:04PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:18:01PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:23:46AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > > ROTFLMAO?? > > > > LOLAST(D|C|S|K) OK, Mine is Dog | Cat | Spouse | Kid. > That reminds me... > > C|N>K What's this decode to? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 25 14:48:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [Fwd: [TCLUG] null modem cable] In-Reply-To: <276442001712301522338@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 07:15:22PM -0500 References: <276442001712301522338@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010725144835.A9996@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 07:15:22PM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > > If you're looking for a null modem cable go to Radio Shack, if they > don't have the cable they should still have the null adapter. PLCs > use these alot. > Thanks. Radio Shack indeed has the null modem adapter for $5.95. Thanks a lot, florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 25 15:16:35 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Funnier than ROTFLMAO? In-Reply-To: <20010725145113.D1552@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:51:13PM -0500 References: <20010725141801.B1552@iaxs.net> <20010725141604.G9552@sherohman.org> <20010725145113.D1552@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010725151635.H9552@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:51:13PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:16:04PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:18:01PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:23:46AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there an acronym to express laughter funnier than the acronym > > > > ROTFLMAO?? > > > > > > LOLAST(D|C|S|K) > > OK, Mine is Dog | Cat | Spouse | Kid. > > > That reminds me... > > > > C|N>K > > What's this decode to? Coffee/Coke | Nose > Keyboard -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jul 25 15:27:26 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers Message-ID: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> I am trying to gind a GOOD free news server. Just wondering what's out there. Any suggestions? sim From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 25 15:32:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers In-Reply-To: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:27:26PM -0500 References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010725153213.B21264@real-time.com> Quoting Simeon Johnston (simeonuj@eetc.com): > I am trying to gind a GOOD free news server. Just wondering what's out > there. > > Any suggestions? Any good ISP has good free news service. If your ISP doesn't, look for another isp :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 25 15:38:13 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers In-Reply-To: <20010725153213.B21264@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:32:13PM -0500 References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> <20010725153213.B21264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010725153813.I9552@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:32:13PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any good ISP has good free news service. $ ping news.sherbtel.net ping: unknown host news.sherbtel.net > If your ISP doesn't, look for another isp :-) Me: "What other ISPs can I sign up with aside from you guys?" Them: "Another ISP? Why would you want another ISP? We give you free ISP service along with your DSL account!" :p -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jul 25 15:51:23 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> <20010725153213.B21264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B5F3114.648F7500@eetc.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Simeon Johnston (simeonuj@eetc.com): > > I am trying to gind a GOOD free news server. Just wondering what's out > > there. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Any good ISP has good free news service. UUNET? Maybe. Never looked into it. > If your ISP doesn't, look for another isp :-) I'm sure you guys do. :-) But... I use 3 seperate network connections -- Home, work, work (one of them is free). I would like to use the same news server for each and not have to mess around w/ seperate servers. That's why I asked. sim From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 25 15:53:08 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> Message-ID: <00e701c1154b$cfc5ecf0$3028680a@tgt.com> What do you need out of the server. Each server has its own features and they all have drawbacks. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers > I am trying to gind a GOOD free news server. Just wondering what's out > there. > > Any suggestions? > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 25 15:55:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> <20010725153213.B21264@real-time.com> <3B5F3114.648F7500@eetc.com> Message-ID: <00f601c1154c$2d7b2ef0$3028680a@tgt.com> VISI.com will give you external news access (via password), if you have an account with them. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] News Servers > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Simeon Johnston (simeonuj@eetc.com): > > > I am trying to gind a GOOD free news server. Just wondering what's out > > > there. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Any good ISP has good free news service. > > UUNET? Maybe. Never looked into it. > > > If your ISP doesn't, look for another isp :-) > > I'm sure you guys do. :-) > But... I use 3 seperate network connections -- Home, work, work (one of them > is free). > I would like to use the same news server for each and not have to mess > around w/ seperate servers. > That's why I asked. > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Jul 25 16:49:50 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers References: <3B5F2B7A.5606C554@eetc.com> <00e701c1154b$cfc5ecf0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3B5F3EFB.B9E5152@eetc.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > What do you need out of the server. Each server has its own features and > they all have drawbacks. Ya, I noticed. Found one that seems to be what I need. zeus.ligtel.com and.... news.ligtel.com I think there basically the same. What I'm looking for (was looking for) are some news groups pertaining/related to programming (specifically games and lowlevel stuff) and the like. Also looking for a good server for someone else that is looking for math stuff. I think this one'll do. sim From cfandre at fandre.com Wed Jul 25 10:00:15 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Fwd: New Prentice Hall User Group Program Message-ID: <20010725100014.C12144@fandre.com> Need a book? Why pay full price when you can get a discount? Check it out... ----- Forwarded message from UserGroups@prenhall.com ----- > From: UserGroups@prenhall.com > Subject: New Prentice Hall User Group Program > > You and your members can take advantage of our user group discounts. Visit us as www.phptr.com and select User Groups, then click on the UNIX/Linux/Solaris/HP-UX User Group Resource Center > . You'll be prompted for a password, which is linux (lowercase). > > Jim Keogh > Internet Marketing Manager ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From cfandre at fandre.com Wed Jul 25 10:14:30 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Fwd: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds now open for business Message-ID: <20010725101430.A12393@fandre.com> Forgot to send this out to the announcements list the first time... Also, I've added a few more categories to the classifieds section to try and keep it a little organized. Let me know if you have any suggestions or problems with it. -- Clay ----- Forwarded message from Clay Fandre ----- > I've noticed a lot of people have been posting things for sale on the > list lately. To make it easier to keep track of the items (and to > eliminate the spam for those of us who don't care) I've put up a TCLUG > classifieds section on the webpage. Check it out and let me know if it > works or not. Thanks to Mike Spice for the perl cgi. > (http://www.fuzzymonkey.org/perl/) > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chegney at att.net Wed Jul 25 23:37:58 2001 From: chegney at att.net (chegney@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: <20010726043759.OYWF12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi first time poster here, I need some help. I had a dual boot Windows98/RedHat Linux setup. I was using LILO as my boot loader. I have lost lilo on my first hard drive and now I can't boot Linux on my second hard drive. The only boot disk I have is my RedHat install cd. Can some one explain to me how I can boot to rescue mode on the cd and then restore lilo??? Much thanks in advance. Clint chegney@worldnet.att.net From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jul 25 23:52:35 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: <20010726043759.OYWF12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from chegney@att.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:37:58AM +0000 References: <20010726043759.OYWF12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20010726065235.H11946@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:37:58AM +0000, chegney@att.net wrote: > Hi first time poster here, I need some help. > > I had a dual boot Windows98/RedHat Linux setup. I was > using LILO as my boot loader. I have lost lilo on my > first hard drive and now I can't boot Linux on my second > hard drive. The only boot disk I have is my RedHat > install cd. Can some one explain to me how I can boot to > rescue mode on the cd and then restore lilo??? It's been a while since I had to do it, so it's off the top of my head: On the install cd's prompt: boot root=/dev/hdb and then run lilo (maybe change the layout when you get there?) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 00:10:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: <20010726065235.H11946@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:52:35AM +0200 References: <20010726043759.OYWF12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010726065235.H11946@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010726001055.A22500@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:37:58AM +0000, chegney@att.net wrote: > > Hi first time poster here, I need some help. > > > > I had a dual boot Windows98/RedHat Linux setup. I was > > using LILO as my boot loader. I have lost lilo on my > > first hard drive and now I can't boot Linux on my second > > hard drive. The only boot disk I have is my RedHat > > install cd. Can some one explain to me how I can boot to > > rescue mode on the cd and then restore lilo??? > > It's been a while since I had to do it, so it's off the top of my head: > > On the install cd's prompt: > > boot root=/dev/hdb > > and then run lilo (maybe change the layout when you get there?) > THEN do a man mkbootdisk, I cannot tell you how important this is. All our boxes have emergency boot disks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rrodriguez at visual-tools.com Thu Jul 26 04:12:14 2001 From: rrodriguez at visual-tools.com (Roman Rodriguez Perea) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broadcast NTP Message-ID: <3B5FDEEE.82203A64@visual-tools.com> Hello all, I would like to synchronize several computers to a NTP server in a LAN not connected to the internet. My NTP server uses its own clock and the NTP clients do not known server's IP. Therefore I need to use broadcast or multicast synchronization. In the server machine, I run xntpd daemon using the following /etc/ntp.conf file: server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /etc/ntp/drift broadcast 192.67.79.255 broadcastdelay 0.008 authenticate no disable auth # Keys file. If you want to diddle your server at run time, make a # keys file (mode 600 for sure) and define the key number to be # used for making requests. # PLEASE DO NOT USE THE DEFAULT VALUES HERE. Pick your own, or remote # systems might be able to reset your clock at will. # #keys /etc/ntp/keys #trustedkey 65535 In every client machine, xntpd is running with following /etc/ntp.conf file: driftfile /etc/ntp/drift broadcastclient yes broadcastclient 192.67.79.255 # listen on default 192.67.79.255 broadcastdelay 0.008 authenticate no disable auth # Keys file. If you want to diddle your server at run time, make a # keys file (mode 600 for sure) and define the key number to be # used for making requests. # PLEASE DO NOT USE THE DEFAULT VALUES HERE. Pick your own, or remote # systems might be able to reset your clock at will. # #keys /etc/ntp/keys #trustedkey 65535 And then the problem is that the computers clients don't synchronize with the computer server. Best regards. Thanks. -- | Roman Rodriguez Perea | Visual Tools, S.A. | Tel [+34] 91 729 48 44 | | Technology Dept. | Isla Graciosa , 1 | Tel [+34] 91 358 52 36 | | mailto: rrodriguez@visual-tools.com | E-28034 Madrid | | | roman@visual-tools.com | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/0e5c0a80/attachment.html From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jul 26 05:47:58 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice is sales rank #44 at Amazon.com Message-ID: <20010726.10475800@linwin.mshome.net> StarOffice has a very nice visual basic type system. Maybe C and C++ coding works for some of you, but Visual Basic does give nice results, fast. StarOffice brings a lot to Linux. From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Jul 26 07:40:18 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broadcast NTP Message-ID: <20010726124020.SQCR18077.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Often I find that if the clients' clocks are too far off the server's, NTP will not every catch up and will often coredump. Try rdate -s on each client to get them at least close to the same time and then NTP may/should keep things syncronized. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > Hello all, > > I would like to synchronize several computers to a NTP server in a LAN > not connected to the internet. My NTP server uses its own clock and the > NTP clients do not known server's IP. Therefore I need to use broadcast > or multicast synchronization. > > In the server machine, I run xntpd daemon using the following > /etc/ntp.conf file: > > server 127.127.1.0 # local clock > fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 > > driftfile /etc/ntp/drift > broadcast 192.67.79.255 > broadcastdelay 0.008 > > authenticate no > disable auth > > # Keys file. If you want to diddle your server at run time, make a > # keys file (mode 600 for sure) and define the key number to be > # used for making requests. > # PLEASE DO NOT USE THE DEFAULT VALUES HERE. Pick your own, or > remote > # systems might be able to reset your clock at will. > # > #keys /etc/ntp/keys > #trustedkey 65535 > > > In every client machine, xntpd is running with following /etc/ntp.conf > file: > > driftfile /etc/ntp/drift > broadcastclient yes > broadcastclient 192.67.79.255 # listen on default 192.67.79.255 > broadcastdelay 0.008 > > authenticate no > disable auth > > # Keys file. If you want to diddle your server at run time, make a > # keys file (mode 600 for sure) and define the key number to be > # used for making requests. > # PLEASE DO NOT USE THE DEFAULT VALUES HERE. Pick your own, or > remote > # systems might be able to reset your clock at will. > # > #keys /etc/ntp/keys > #trustedkey 65535 > > And then the problem is that the computers clients don't synchronize > with the computer server. > > Best regards. Thanks. > > > -- > | Roman Rodriguez Perea | Visual Tools, S.A. | Tel [+34] 91 729 > 48 44 | > | Technology Dept. | Isla Graciosa , 1 | Tel [+34] 91 358 > 52 36 | > | mailto: rrodriguez@visual-tools.com | E-28034 Madrid | > | > | roman@visual-tools.com | | > | > > > > > > > > > > > > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 26 08:34:13 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Qmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am trying to install Qmail on Debian with the qmail-src package. I got it, built it, and then installed that package.. but I seem to be missing all configuration files. There is nothing in /var/qmail/control/ does anyone have any hints here? Jay From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Jul 26 09:10:07 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Qmail In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 08:34:13AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010726091007.A653@knicknack.net> I can't offer you any Debian specific help, but man qmail-control(5) describes where to find the documentation for each qmail control file. The necessary ones are probably limited to defaultdomain, locals, me and plusdomain. You also may need rcpthosts to prevent an open relay if this box is on the Internet directly. HTH, Eric On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 08:34:13AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am trying to install Qmail on Debian with the qmail-src package. I got it, > built it, and then installed that package.. but I seem to be missing all > configuration files. There is nothing in /var/qmail/control/ does anyone have any > hints here? > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at droyer.org Thu Jul 26 09:36:01 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Qmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <996158162.1204.11.camel@merlin> I have been able to successfully setup qmail on several Debian systems using the instructions from Life With Qmail (http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html) and the debian packages availible via: deb ftp://ftp.innominate.org/gpa/Debian potato unofficial The source has got all the pieces (qmail, dot-forward, ucspi-tcp, etc) Dave On 26 Jul 2001 08:34:13 -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am trying to install Qmail on Debian with the qmail-src package. I got it, > built it, and then installed that package.. but I seem to be missing all > configuration files. There is nothing in /var/qmail/control/ does anyone have any > hints here? > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/7a49241a/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 26 09:43:44 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Qmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arg.. I figured it out. It was a DNS issue. When installing, if it cant get a FQDN from your IP (using a DNS server, not /etc/hosts) it doesn't install the config files. Weird. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Qmail I am trying to install Qmail on Debian with the qmail-src package. I got it, built it, and then installed that package.. but I seem to be missing all configuration files. There is nothing in /var/qmail/control/ does anyone have any hints here? Jay _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Jul 26 10:18:29 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... References: <20010726043759.OYWF12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010726065235.H11946@io.stderr.net> <20010726001055.A22500@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B6034B6.894FA83E@eetc.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:37:58AM +0000, chegney@att.net wrote: > > > Hi first time poster here, I need some help. > > > > > > I had a dual boot Windows98/RedHat Linux setup. I was > > > using LILO as my boot loader. I have lost lilo on my > > > first hard drive and now I can't boot Linux on my second > > > hard drive. The only boot disk I have is my RedHat > > > install cd. Can some one explain to me how I can boot to > > > rescue mode on the cd and then restore lilo??? I'm assuming lilo was in your MBR? What'd you do to mess it up? > > It's been a while since I had to do it, so it's off the top of my head: > > > > On the install cd's prompt: > > > > boot root=/dev/hdb > > > > and then run lilo (maybe change the layout when you get there?) Sounds like it should work. Never tried it. I personally like to use Bootable Business Card from LinuxCare. Very nice. Had all the drivers I needed to switch HD's and mount everything no problem. Very nice. IMO the easiest way w/ BBC is... Boot up w/ BBC. Mount your linux HD (may require the insertion of some modules) at /mnt// Create a symbolic link between /boot and /mnt//boot (BBC doesn't have a /boot directory so you won't mess anything up). Run lilo from your linux installation "/mnt//sbin/lilo" w/ the -c option i.e. "/mnt//sbin/lilo -c /mnt//etc/lilo.conf This should take care of all your problems (did for me several times). It *SHOULD* restor everything exactly as it was. It's fairly simple and very nice when you don't have a boot disk. Or when the install disk doesn't have the correct drivers (a constant problem w/ my machines). > THEN do a man mkbootdisk, I cannot tell you how important this is. All our boxes > have emergency boot disks. Faaaahhh! sissy. :-) sim From fertch at mninter.net Wed Jul 25 09:27:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken electrical stuff talk References: Message-ID: <3B5ED74F.1060209@mninter.net> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Shawn wrote: > >>Nah, it really sucks when you have to try and fix them. Particularly >>when it involves power windows and Cadillacs.... >> > >You mean Carl's, or like the pneumatic power windows on the '59 (or >so) limos? > I was referring to Carl's particular situation with his car. But, being the former grease monkey that I am, nearly all power windows suck to try and fix. Someone at work asked me if I ever wanted to sit down with a bunch of engineers and ask why they design computers the way they do (meaning layout configurations in the cases/towers). My response was: "Nah, computers are simple. I'd really like to sit down and watch the engineers who design today's cars try and work on them." I thought I heard mention somewhere that they might be putting Linux into the on-board computers of cars. Anyone have some confimation on this? Shawn From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 10:26:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt, tagging for a mass delete? Message-ID: <20010726102658.L5269@real-time.com> Is there a way to tag a regexp in Mutt? I wanted to tag a regexp on the Subject and then do a delete on all of those messages. To make a long story short, Mandrake-8.0 picked up Real Time's sendmail rpms and it looks like they forgot to change the .mc file so a default install sends root email to root@real-time.com, so I just got a done of crap in root's mailbox that was destined for someone else. As an FYI, I cannot believe what people mail to root at other sites! The worse case was someone mail root, root's password! Shessh. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 26 10:27:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? Message-ID: Isn't it about that time again? From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 10:27:34 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: Not that I am above calling people sissies, but I'd call Bob's advice a "pain avoidance behavior". Now where the hell you find the boot disks you've made for each machine is another question entirely. If your answer to that is "a clean and organized workspace", _then_ I'd have to call you a sissy! ;-) >simeonuj@eetc.com 07/26/01 10:18AM > >>Bob Tanner wrote: >> THEN do a man mkbootdisk, I cannot tell you how important this is. All our boxes >> have emergency boot disks. >Faaaahhh! sissy. :-) From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 10:34:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt, tagging for a mass delete? In-Reply-To: <20010726102658.L5269@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 10:26:58AM -0500 References: <20010726102658.L5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726103449.O5269@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Is there a way to tag a regexp in Mutt? > > I wanted to tag a regexp on the Subject and then do a delete on all of those > messages. > > To make a long story short, Mandrake-8.0 picked up Real Time's sendmail rpms > and it looks like they forgot to change the .mc file so a default install sends > root email to root@real-time.com, so I just got a done of crap in root's mailbox > that was destined for someone else. > > As an FYI, I cannot believe what people mail to root at other sites! The worse > case was someone mail root, root's password! Shessh. > Crud, I was looking for regexp, if I got step outside of geekdom for a second. It's called 'pattern' in mutt! A 'D' will let you delete a pattern. I think I get to take Ben's title for the day. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 10:35:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 10:27:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010726103533.P5269@real-time.com> Quoting Troy.A Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > Not that I am above calling people sissies, but I'd call > Bob's advice a "pain avoidance behavior". > > Now where the hell you find the boot disks you've made > for each machine is another question entirely. If your > answer to that is "a clean and organized workspace", > _then_ I'd have to call you a sissy! You buy those little floppy holders that stick to your case and you put it there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Thu Jul 26 10:37:47 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: I messed up my MBR on my first HD when trying to install QNX. What is BBC??? Clinton Hegney Level II Helpdesk Analyst Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 10:59:52 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: Does someone make special ones that stick to your case, or are you talking about double-back taping little plastic floppy holders to the case somewhere. Or are they magnetic? ;-) >>> tanner@real-time.com 07/26/01 10:35AM >>> You buy those little floppy holders that stick to your case and you put it there. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 26 11:07:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > What is BBC??? Bootable Business Card. http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/ http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/other_BBCs.epl Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Thu Jul 26 11:10:34 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:37:58AM +0000, chegney@att.net wrote: > > > Hi first time poster here, I need some help. > > > > > > I had a dual boot Windows98/RedHat Linux setup. I was > > > using LILO as my boot loader. I have lost lilo on my > > > first hard drive and now I can't boot Linux on my second > > > hard drive. The only boot disk I have is my RedHat > > > install cd. Can some one explain to me how I can boot to > > > rescue mode on the cd and then restore lilo??? > > It's been a while since I had to do it, so it's off the top of my head: > > > > On the install cd's prompt: > > > > boot root=/dev/hdb So at the "boot:" prompt, type "boot root=/dev/hdb1" and that will boot me into my linux installation and then I can run lilo after logging in as root? > > > > and then run lilo (maybe change the layout when you get there?) what do you mean by changing the layout?? Clinton Hegney Level II Helpdesk Analyst Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com From cfandre at fandre.com Thu Jul 26 11:24:39 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt, tagging for a mass delete? In-Reply-To: <20010726103449.O5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726112437.F2497@fandre.com> You can also tag files (T) and then delete all the tagged files (; then d) or save them somewhere (; and s). Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Is there a way to tag a regexp in Mutt? > > > > I wanted to tag a regexp on the Subject and then do a delete on all of those > > messages. > > > > To make a long story short, Mandrake-8.0 picked up Real Time's sendmail rpms > > and it looks like they forgot to change the .mc file so a default install sends > > root email to root@real-time.com, so I just got a done of crap in root's mailbox > > that was destined for someone else. > > > > As an FYI, I cannot believe what people mail to root at other sites! The worse > > case was someone mail root, root's password! Shessh. > > > > Crud, I was looking for regexp, if I got step outside of geekdom for a second. > It's called 'pattern' in mutt! A 'D' will let you delete a pattern. > > I think I get to take Ben's title for the day. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Thu Jul 26 11:14:24 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: How do I get one of these? Clinton Hegney Level II Helpdesk Analyst Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > What is BBC??? Bootable Business Card. http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/ http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/other_BBCs.epl Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Jul 26 11:27:22 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010726112721.D9207@iaxs.net> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 10:59:52AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Does someone make special ones that stick to your case, > or are you talking about double-back taping little plastic floppy > holders to the case somewhere. There's a plastic floppy-holder with adhesive back that sticks to your standard PC case very nicely. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 11:27:09 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: Cool! Where do you get them? >>> sraun@fireopal.org 07/26/01 11:27AM >>> There's a plastic floppy-holder with adhesive back that sticks to your standard PC case very nicely. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 11:52:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. Message-ID: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> Won't you know it mailman-2.0.6 came out. So, upgraded to that version. Upgrade went smooth. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Jul 26 12:06:35 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010726120635.E9207@iaxs.net> Well, if our Fearless Leader wants to request a bunch, he can then pass them out at LUG events. Who's our Fearless Leader for these purposes? On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0500, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > > How do I get one of these? > > Clinton Hegney > Level II Helpdesk Analyst > Gelco Information Network > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > What is BBC??? > > Bootable Business Card. > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/ > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/other_BBCs.epl > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 11:57:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 11:27:09AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010726115727.B5269@real-time.com> Quoting Troy.A Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > > Cool! Where do you get them? > > >>> sraun@fireopal.org 07/26/01 11:27AM >>> > There's a plastic floppy-holder with adhesive back that sticks to your > standard PC case very nicely. Office Depot has them. Target, K-Mart. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 12:38:09 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken electrical stuff talk In-Reply-To: <3B5ED74F.1060209@mninter.net> References: <3B5ED74F.1060209@mninter.net> Message-ID: <01072611380901.01081@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday 25 July 2001 08:27 am, you wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Shawn wrote: > >>Nah, it really sucks when you have to try and fix them. Particularly > >>when it involves power windows and Cadillacs.... > > > >You mean Carl's, or like the pneumatic power windows on the '59 (or > >so) limos? > > I was referring to Carl's particular situation with his car. But, being > the former grease monkey that I am, nearly all power windows suck to try > and fix. > > Someone at work asked me if I ever wanted to sit down with a bunch of > engineers and ask why they design computers the way they do (meaning > layout configurations in the cases/towers). My response was: "Nah, > computers are simple. I'd really like to sit down and watch the > engineers who design today's cars try and work on them." > > I thought I heard mention somewhere that they might be putting Linux > into the on-board computers of cars. Anyone have some confimation on this? > > Shawn > Volvo (the safest automaker, allegedly) has plans for onboard interactive console, mounted on the dash between the driver and passenger, is supposed to be an interactive map, plays videos, and has internet capabilities. And you guessed it.. powered by Linux. However, the safest automaker is under fire for their proposed occupant-interactive system for being worse than cell phones as far as driver distraction. Duh!! I have heard about Volvo's intended use for embedded linux in vehicle's onboard computer (fuel injection mapping, ignition strategy, and prolly power windows... maybe then they'll work properly!!) I too used to be a grease monkey and know the frustrations of power windows!! -K > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 12:13:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... In-Reply-To: <20010726120635.E9207@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:06:35PM -0500 References: <20010726120635.E9207@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010726121356.A29929@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:06:35PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > Well, if our Fearless Leader wants to request a bunch, he can then > pass them out at LUG events. > > Who's our Fearless Leader for these purposes? > Yaron. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 26 12:23:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. References: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01e601c115f7$ba628a10$3028680a@tgt.com> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at previously)? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. > Won't you know it mailman-2.0.6 came out. So, upgraded to that version. > > Upgrade went smooth. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 12:34:19 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: <01e601c115f7$ba628a10$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:23:46PM -0500 References: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> <01e601c115f7$ba628a10$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > previously)? Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! 2.0.6: https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=103&release_id=45268 2.0.5 http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=84323 Rest of ChangeLOG is from inside the tar.gz 2.0.4 (18-Apr-2001) Python 2.1 compatibility release. There were a few questionable constructs and uses of deprecated modules that caused annoying warnings when used with Python 2.1. This release quiets those warnings. 2.0.3 (12-Mar-2001) Bug fix release. There was a small typo in 2.0.2 in ListAdmin.py for approving an already subscribed member (thanks Thomas!). Also, an update to the OpenWall security workaround (contrib/securelinux_fix.py) was included. Thanks to Marc Merlin. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:52 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. > > > > Won't you know it mailman-2.0.6 came out. So, upgraded to that version. > > > > Upgrade went smooth. > > > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 12:38:30 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:27:39 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > Isn't it about that time again? Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? Do we need to organize our own? All slacking and no beer meeting makes Billy go crazy. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 26 12:48:48 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: > >Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): >> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at >> previously)? > >Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint broke, dont fix it. Jay From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Thu Jul 26 12:57:47 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: When is the next meeting then?? Clinton Hegney Level II Helpdesk Analyst Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com Scott Raun cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... tclug-list-admin@mn -linux.org 07/26/01 12:06 PM Please respond to tclug-list Well, if our Fearless Leader wants to request a bunch, he can then pass them out at LUG events. Who's our Fearless Leader for these purposes? On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0500, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > > How do I get one of these? > > Clinton Hegney > Level II Helpdesk Analyst > Gelco Information Network > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > What is BBC??? > > Bootable Business Card. > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/ > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/other_BBCs.epl > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 13:04:05 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:48:48PM -0500 References: <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726130405.D29929@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:48:48PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > > >Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > >> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > >> previously)? > > > >Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > > > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint > broke, dont fix it. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From cfandre at fandre.com Thu Jul 26 13:23:27 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010726132327.D6812@fandre.com> IIRC, she is on vacation or something. Bill, why don't you pick a place! Bill Layer [blayer@qwest.net] wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:27:39 -0500 (CDT) > "Brian" wrote: > > > Isn't it about that time again? > > Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? Do > we need to organize our own? > > All slacking and no beer meeting makes Billy go crazy. > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cfandre at fandre.com Thu Jul 26 13:26:11 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010726132611.E6812@fandre.com> Jay Kline [list@slushpupie.com] wrote: > > > >Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > >> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > >> previously)? > > > >Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > > > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint > broke, dont fix it. Boy, your life must be really boring. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Jul 26 13:08:53 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Is it tonight? I thought it was next week... But now that I think about it is tonight, isn't it. All the work I've had and being out of town and not being able to make the last one threw my schedule off. Sorry! Lets plan for next thursday. I'll plan it right now. Of course if y'all want to organize one for tonight, have at it. I can't make it. Jacque > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:27:39 -0500 (CDT) > "Brian" wrote: > > > Isn't it about that time again? > > Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? Do > we need to organize our own? > > All slacking and no beer meeting makes Billy go crazy. > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 26 13:25:43 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: <20010726132611.E6812@fandre.com> Message-ID: Nope, real exciting when you have servers starting to puke on new code that the programmers never bothered to debug. Or when they decide the day after software is released that it is not suitable for release... I have had my share of it. So I try to avoid any "extra excitement" at work. Now at home, that is another matter all together :-) Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:26 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. Jay Kline [list@slushpupie.com] wrote: > > > >Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > >> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > >> previously)? > > > >Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > > > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint > broke, dont fix it. Boy, your life must be really boring. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 13:20:07 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> > Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? Do > we need to organize our own? The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot for luggers. Good food and a %20 discount. -- SpencerUnderground From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 26 13:33:40 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: OT: Nicknames Revisited (Was Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting?) In-Reply-To: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > All slacking and no beer meeting makes Billy go crazy. Go crazy? You're not allready? So now we have: Idiot Ben (or Mean Idiot Ben) [who knows where this started...] http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/014283.html Insane Mike http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/014281.html Sleepy Nate (http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/014285.html) Crazy (Slacker/Drunken) Bill http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/014499.html A few more and we could have a TCLUG (in)action figure set! :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From rudie at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 13:29:07 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> Message-ID: <01072613290700.01459@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 26 July 2001 01:20 pm, you wrote: > > > > Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? > > Do we need to organize our own? > > The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard > Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot > for luggers. Good food and a %20 discount. heheh!!! Sounds good to me, I'd plan on it! > > -- > SpencerUnderground > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Jul 26 13:32:51 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scalablity of Mailman In-Reply-To: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> References: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15200.25171.315856.696383@evoq.mwagner.org> Bob Tanner writes: > Won't you know it mailman-2.0.6 came out. So, upgraded to that version. > > Upgrade went smooth. Hi Bob, Could you comment on the scalability of mailman versus something like ezmlm? I've been wanting to upgrade MySQL's mailing list software for quite a while now. Right now I'm running ezmlm (with qmail), but the installation is pretty cruddy. Lots and lots of little files for each list to be tweaked and fiddled whenever something needs adjustment. From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 13:39:54 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:51 2005 Subject: OT: Nicknames Revisited (Was Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting?) In-Reply-To: References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010726133954.2549fb66.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:33:40 -0500 (CDT) "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > So now we have: > Crazy (Slacker/Drunken) Bill > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/014499.html Hey! I resemble that remark... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 13:41:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010726134101.0ce1329f.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:07 -0500 "Spencer Underground" wrote: > > > Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the announcement? Do > > we need to organize our own? > > The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard > Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot > for luggers. Good food and a %20 discount. Do they have Summit? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 26 13:47:34 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:20:07PM -0500 References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010726134734.F18082@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:20:07PM -0500, Spencer Underground wrote: > The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard > Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot > for luggers. Good food and a %20 discount. If people gather at Mud Pie (or elsewhere on the Mpls side of town), I could drop by for an hour or so. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 13:50:39 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! In-Reply-To: References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010726135039.22996f2e.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:08:53 -0500 "Jacqueline Urick" wrote: > Lets plan for next thursday. I'll plan it right now. Of course if y'all want > to organize one for tonight, have at it. I can't make it. Ok, nothing personal - but I can't stand the food at Mud Pie, so here is my 'distribution' of the impromptu beer meeting... DeGidio's Restaurant in St. Paul: A quirky Italian family place, with plenty of big tables, and a waitstaff that is excellent with groups. Food is generous and _very_ inexpensive (I think the most expensive thing on the menu is $8.95) and the drinks are strong and equally as cheap. Beer, wine, hard liqour. All ages are welcome. Degidio's Restaurant and Bar 425 7th St W St Paul,?MN?55102-2730 Phone: (651) 291-7105 http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5518868/ -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 26 13:54:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> Message-ID: <996173670.3b6067669decd@dragon> Hey, Quoting Spencer Underground : > The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard > Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot Argh. No _way_ You guys ALWAYS suggest the Mud Pie when I can't go, and I can't go tonight! Go someplace bad tht I'd never go to! (: -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 13:56:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:48:48PM -0500 References: <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726135618.G5269@real-time.com> Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > > > >Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > >> What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > >> previously)? > > > >Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > > > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it > aint broke, dont fix it. The counter to this axiom is, if you don't upgrade you get hacked (read 2.0.6 release notes). Another counter is, if you want to upgrade for too long it takes longer to actually do the upgrade. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 26 13:57:38 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: OT: Nicknames Revisited (Was Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <996173858.3b606822a5ccf@dragon> Hi, Quoting "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" : > A few more and we could have a TCLUG (in)action figure set! :) Would these be anything like these Microsoft-made "MCP Action Heros"? http://www.mvpstore.com/catalog/Product.asp?PXC=1&PXS=4&PXP=589 -Yaron -- From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 13:56:06 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <3B605F57.1020302@sihope.com> <20010726134101.0ce1329f.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B6067C6.5090109@sihope.com> Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:07 -0500 > "Spencer Underground" wrote: > > >> >> >>> Yeah, tonight's the night - where is Jaquie? Where is the >> > announcement? Do > >>> we need to organize our own? >> >> The Mud Pie on Lyndale is always an all ages all beverage (no Hard >> Liqour) w/ patio choice. I know the manager, I hear he has a soft-spot >> for luggers. Good food and a %20 discount. > > > Do they have Summit? > Summit: Pale Ale I.P.A. Great Northern Porter Heffe Weize From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 26 14:06:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint > broke, dont fix it. Where's the sig when we need it.. "if it ain't broke, you're not fixing it enough". Experience has taught me that if there's no bugs for the current version you're running, someone might use you to find one... -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 26 14:09:38 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! In-Reply-To: <20010726135039.22996f2e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > DeGidio's Restaurant in St. Paul: > > A quirky Italian family place, with plenty of big tables, and a waitstaff > that is excellent with groups. Food is generous and _very_ inexpensive (I > think the most expensive thing on the menu is $8.95) and the drinks are > strong and equally as cheap. Beer, wine, hard liqour. All ages are > welcome. Sounds great to me, and I would rather go wherever Bill is because I have some hardware for him. -Brian From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jul 26 14:19:09 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: <20010726135618.G5269@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:56:18PM -0500 References: <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> <20010726135618.G5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726141909.G18082@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:56:18PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > The counter to this axiom is, if you don't upgrade you get hacked (read 2.0.6 > release notes). In this case, though, isn't it more accurate to say, "if you don't set an admin password you get hacked"? IMO, it seems that leaving your password set to an empty string is asking for more trouble than most upgrades will fix. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Jul 26 14:37:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I'm moving into my new place soon, so I preordered a phone line. The number that was there didn't qualify for DSL but was within range. They said that it was probably because there was old line in the neighborhood and they'd send someone out to replace some of the wire to try to get me to qualify. So my new line is hooked up, I call the DSL office, and now I'm magically 18,700 feet from the CO, several thousand feet farther than before. They said the guy probably put me on another circuit or something, and they won't change it for me. And then the guy said I was supposed to be charged for the guy replacing the line so he tried to charge me for it, even when the rep that set up my line in the first place said it was no charge. My brother ordered service at his apartment, and the guy on the phone said he could get DSL for like $20, router for free, and all of the services like call waiting for free too. He gets his first bill, and it's like $190. So he called back, and the guy signed him up for some expensive DSL service, all of those services were not free, they sent out the wrong modem (CAP, not DMT), he never got the modem, they sent a new one which was broken. Then he cancelled it all because he was sick of it, and they are still trying to charge him for a modem he didn't get, and a modem that was broken when he received it. And he complained about the guy that set up his service and said all the stuff was free and the guy called him about 10pm one night and left a nasty harrassing voicemail for him, which he now has a tape of for the PUC to listen to. So now he has like this $400 bill for a month of phone service, and they are being total assholes about refunding his money for the modems and the DSL service which he never got a chance to use. Everytime I call those bastards I end up getting transferred at least 4 times, they have menuing systems that just disconnect you when you choose certain options or just forward you to numbers that aren't in service anymore, I sit on hold for abysmally long periods of time, and everyone I talk to is a total asshole (and I'm usually very polite with them). I spent over 11 hours on my cellphone with them one month because they kept putting me on hold, and the number I needed to call wasn't accessible from my home phone (Qwest), go figure. Every single bill I have ever received from them with the exception of one, has been incorrect. I've been charged for pager and cellphone service that I never had, and my account once kept getting transferred into someone elses name, 4 months in a row (same address, just a different name). This isn't even half of it, I've been through so much crap with them that I could probably sit here and type all day about all the things that they've screwed up or failed to do, the rude phone reps, the incompetent phone reps, and the billing mistakes each and every month for they last 3 years. And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I can't get the ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck with them until ATT gets their cablephone in my area. Qwest is the epitome of terrible service and if you have any problems with Qwest, please file a complaint with the minnesota public utilities commission: MN Public Utilities Commission 121 7th Place E. Suite 350 St. Paul, MN 55101-2147 Consumer Assistance/Information: 651/296-0406 TDD/TTY (For Hearing Impaired): 651/297-1200 Toll Free Dial 1 and Then: 800/657-3782 General Information: 651-296-7124 Fax: 651-297-7073 I heard Qwest actually gets fined $500 for each complaint, and the PUC just assumes them to be true now because they get so many, no more investigations, just a big fat bill. I don't know if this is true or not, but anything I can do to hurt Qwest makes me feel good, it's revenge for them causing me more trouble than any other company or person that I do business with, including the IRS. Looks like I'm stuck with a cable modem (no hosting servers) unless I shell out $1500 install + $400 a month for wireless from Implex.net, or $800 month for a t1 (with a 2 year contract, blech..). From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 26 14:53:51 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: OT: Nicknames Revisited (Was Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting?) In-Reply-To: <996173858.3b606822a5ccf@dragon> References: <996173858.3b606822a5ccf@dragon> Message-ID: <996177231.3b60754f5ebae@dragon> Hey all, Quoting jethro@freakzilla.com: > Would these be anything like these Microsoft-made "MCP Action Heros"? > http://www.mvpstore.com/catalog/Product.asp?PXC=1&PXS=4&PXP=589 Horror of Horrors! They don't have them anymoer!!! Damn! Now nobody will believe me... -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 14:47:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:06:48PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010726144715.E29929@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:06:48PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > > Previous experience has taught me to not upgrade unless you need to. If it aint > > broke, dont fix it. > > Where's the sig when we need it.. "if it ain't broke, you're not fixing it > enough". In your mailbox 8) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 26 14:53:21 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. References: <20010726115245.Z5269@real-time.com> <01e601c115f7$ba628a10$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010726123419.F5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <029f01c1160c$a01ba730$3028680a@tgt.com> Now -- you talk like a Microsoft follower. That kind of thinking makes XP a reality. :) Actually, before I even knew the benefit, I upgraded my mailman installation to 2.0.6 also. So much for avoiding the darkside. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade complete. > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > What are the benefits of the upgrade (versus 2.0.3 that you were at > > previously)? > > Benefits? You talk like a suit! You upgrade because you can! > > 2.0.6: > https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=103&release_id=45268 > > 2.0.5 > http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=84323 > > Rest of ChangeLOG is from inside the tar.gz > > 2.0.4 (18-Apr-2001) > > Python 2.1 compatibility release. There were a few questionable > constructs and uses of deprecated modules that caused annoying > warnings when used with Python 2.1. This release quiets those > warnings. > > 2.0.3 (12-Mar-2001) > > Bug fix release. There was a small typo in 2.0.2 in ListAdmin.py > for approving an already subscribed member (thanks Thomas!). > Also, an update to the OpenWall security workaround > (contrib/securelinux_fix.py) was included. Thanks to Marc Merlin. > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 14:55:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726145553.J5269@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I can't get the > ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed > with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck with them until > ATT gets their cablephone in my area. Give Real Time other options and share it with the LUG. I have asked several times to have wireless options presented to me. I even contacted some people in Duluth who are doing it, but they totally blew me off. I have posted several times to the LUG asking for options, but did not hear much. Each time I ask someone internally at Real Time to look, the ball gets dropped or another project gets "in the way". If there are wireless options and Real Time can make some money at it, I'll look at it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 26 14:56:14 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "folow Bill" sounds like a plan to me.. all in favor.. show up :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > DeGidio's Restaurant in St. Paul: > > > > A quirky Italian family place, with plenty of big tables, and a waitstaff > > that is excellent with groups. Food is generous and _very_ inexpensive (I > > think the most expensive thing on the menu is $8.95) and the drinks are > > strong and equally as cheap. Beer, wine, hard liqour. All ages are > > welcome. > > Sounds great to me, and I would rather go wherever Bill is because I have > some hardware for him. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO2B138tpDhsSpvgtAQGdIAQAzHwGBKwBpRE6ChffthrfrHg5xvj1vaAl lqurhd/cVFoJzLkjO+v4u8yorSaQRPi6VUrdPUYpWIkBD80QFiJ942Ijd8cJHeWi VxdvMUI1NCHrE8Ailu6g3nTfWwmUsHxDieOSZ8K1QwvosORTx6dMNVZlsx5Fa4ac SFuBezwd2g0= =9FXT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 14:59:16 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726145915.F29929@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I'm moving into my new place soon, so I preordered a phone line. The > number that was there didn't qualify for DSL but was within range. They > said that it was probably because there was old line in the neighborhood and > they'd send someone out to replace some of the wire to try to get me to > qualify. So my new line is hooked up, I call the DSL office, and now I'm > magically 18,700 feet from the CO, several thousand feet farther than > before. They said the guy probably put me on another circuit or something, > and they won't change it for me. And then the guy said I was supposed to be > charged for the guy replacing the line so he tried to charge me for it, even > when the rep that set up my line in the first place said it was no charge. > > My brother ordered service at his apartment, and the guy on the phone said > he could get DSL for like $20, router for free, and all of the services like > call waiting for free too. He gets his first bill, and it's like $190. So > he called back, and the guy signed him up for some expensive DSL service, > all of those services were not free, they sent out the wrong modem (CAP, not > DMT), he never got the modem, they sent a new one which was broken. Then he > cancelled it all because he was sick of it, and they are still trying to > charge him for a modem he didn't get, and a modem that was broken when he > received it. And he complained about the guy that set up his service and > said all the stuff was free and the guy called him about 10pm one night and > left a nasty harrassing voicemail for him, which he now has a tape of for > the PUC to listen to. So now he has like this $400 bill for a month of > phone service, and they are being total assholes about refunding his money > for the modems and the DSL service which he never got a chance to use. > > Everytime I call those bastards I end up getting transferred at least 4 > times, they have menuing systems that just disconnect you when you choose > certain options or just forward you to numbers that aren't in service > anymore, My 2-year experience with this kind of menus: If at the first try you end up waiting too long or sent to a non-existing number dial again the main number and choose the option of "new customer/place order" (or along the same lines). 99% of times all the numbers are routed to the same operators, just you request is given a smaller priority if you choose complain or return. > I sit on hold for abysmally long periods of time, and everyone I > talk to is a total asshole (and I'm usually very polite with them). I spent > over 11 hours on my cellphone with them one month because they kept putting > me on hold, and the number I needed to call wasn't accessible from my home > phone (Qwest), go figure. There has to be a 1-800 number for that. If not send another complaint to the PUC. > Every single bill I have ever received from them > with the exception of one, has been incorrect. I've been charged for pager > and cellphone service that I never had, and my account once kept getting > transferred into someone elses name, 4 months in a row (same address, just a > different name). > > This isn't even half of it, Gee... I was deeply impressed so far... really. > I've been through so much crap with them that I > could probably sit here and type all day about all the things that they've > screwed up or failed to do, the rude phone reps, the incompetent phone reps, > and the billing mistakes each and every month for they last 3 years. > > And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I can't get the > ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed > with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck with them until > ATT gets their cablephone in my area. > > Qwest is the epitome of terrible service and if you have any problems with > Qwest, please file a complaint with the minnesota public utilities > commission: > MN Public Utilities Commission > 121 7th Place E. Suite 350 > St. Paul, MN 55101-2147 > Consumer Assistance/Information: 651/296-0406 > TDD/TTY (For Hearing Impaired): 651/297-1200 > Toll Free Dial 1 and Then: 800/657-3782 > General Information: 651-296-7124 > Fax: 651-297-7073 > > I heard Qwest actually gets fined $500 for each complaint, and the PUC just > assumes them to be true now because they get so many, no more > investigations, just a big fat bill. I don't know if this is true or not, > but anything I can do to hurt Qwest makes me feel good, it's revenge for > them causing me more trouble than any other company or person that I do > business with, including the IRS. > > Looks like I'm stuck with a cable modem (no hosting servers) unless I shell > out $1500 install + $400 a month for wireless from Implex.net, or $800 month > for a t1 (with a 2 year contract, blech..). Just make sure to follow up with PUC and push them to do their duty. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 15:05:57 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! In-Reply-To: <20010726135039.22996f2e.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:50:39PM -0500 References: <20010726123830.7cace439.blayer@qwest.net> <20010726135039.22996f2e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010726150557.G29929@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:50:39PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:08:53 -0500 > "Jacqueline Urick" wrote: > > > Lets plan for next thursday. I'll plan it right now. Of course if y'all > want > > to organize one for tonight, have at it. I can't make it. > > Ok, nothing personal - but I can't stand the food at Mud Pie, so here is > my 'distribution' of the impromptu beer meeting... > > DeGidio's Restaurant in St. Paul: > > A quirky Italian family place, with plenty of big tables, and a waitstaff > that is excellent with groups. Food is generous and _very_ inexpensive (I > think the most expensive thing on the menu is $8.95) and the drinks are > strong and equally as cheap. Beer, wine, hard liqour. All ages are > welcome. > > Degidio's Restaurant and Bar > 425 7th St W > St Paul,?MN?55102-2730 > Phone: (651) 291-7105 > > http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5518868/ Sounds good: shall we do a vote? I think a voter plugin for mailman would be cool: just mail you option and after x hours the result of the poll is mailed back to the list. Wait! There is no need for a plugin: just set up a "votes" mail account, subscribe it to the list and set a couple of procmail rules and a cron job. Voila! florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 15:12:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault Message-ID: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> Oh, no. # rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault Web did not turn up much. Somehow rpm's db got corrupted. I cannot install anything without rpm crashing :-( # rpm -q rpm rpm-4.0.2-6x -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Jul 26 15:04:54 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726160454.B12350@lemongecko.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > residential home, Hmmm, I've never heard of this law. What about the Amish (I'm from rural Wisconsin)? I say, if the government is keen on me having a landline for 911 service, they can pay for it themselves... :) I too am eager to ditch my land line and just use a cellphone, but it's a tad bit expensive right now. But I feel your pain with respect to Qwest -- although I've had the good fortune to experience less of it -- and am no fan of those doofuses. And what's up with misspelling words to make a "cool" name for your company? Dammit, it's "quest". And the word "excel" starts with an 'e', not an 'x'. "Qwest", "Xcel"...it's like being on an IRC channel with a bunch of k1dd13s. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 26 15:18:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726151858.D23431@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010726 14:42]: > ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed Qwest is obligated to provide you landline 911 even if you dont get phone service from them. It might be called 'lifeline' service. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From thudak at sistina.com Thu Jul 26 15:19:55 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <20010726145553.J5269@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:55:53PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010726145553.J5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726151955.A26688@localhost> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:55:53PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Give Real Time other options and share it with the LUG. > >I have asked several times to have wireless options presented to me. I even >contacted some people in Duluth who are doing it, but they totally blew me off. As in wireless LAN/WAN ? >If there are wireless options and Real Time can make some money at it, I'll look >at it. We should talk off the list.. remember baldeagle? go to www.baldeagle.com and you'll see what I mean. Jay - Sorry I haven't been active in keeping in touch, things have been quite hectic and I haven't spoken to Bill yet. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/5111533b/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 26 15:20:22 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726152022.E23431@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010726 14:42]: > Looks like I'm stuck with a cable modem (no hosting servers) unless I shell > out $1500 install + $400 a month for wireless from Implex.net, or $800 month > for a t1 (with a 2 year contract, blech..). Get a cable modem, then get a colocated machine somewhere. $150-200/mo for the colo box 46/mo for the cable. Its expensive still, but it aint nearly as mentioned. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From thudak at sistina.com Thu Jul 26 15:24:49 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010726152449.B26688@localhost> >Qwest is the epitome of terrible service and if you have any problems with >Qwest, please file a complaint with the minnesota public utilities >commission: >MN Public Utilities Commission >121 7th Place E. Suite 350 >St. Paul, MN 55101-2147 >Consumer Assistance/Information: 651/296-0406 >TDD/TTY (For Hearing Impaired): 651/297-1200 >Toll Free Dial 1 and Then: 800/657-3782 >General Information: 651-296-7124 >Fax: 651-297-7073 > >I heard Qwest actually gets fined $500 for each complaint, and the PUC just >assumes them to be true now because they get so many, no more >investigations, just a big fat bill. I don't know if this is true or not, >but anything I can do to hurt Qwest makes me feel good, it's revenge for >them causing me more trouble than any other company or person that I do >business with, including the IRS. Yes, this is true. They have and will continue to send a $500 dollar invoice for each complaint received. The unfortunate thing is that they profit more than that every day, so even 1 complaint a day will not phase them. >Looks like I'm stuck with a cable modem (no hosting servers) unless I shell >out $1500 install + $400 a month for wireless from Implex.net, or $800 month >for a t1 (with a 2 year contract, blech..). Time for a BSD firewall with NAT and lots o fancy blocking mechanisms, they'll never know your hosting servers. (As long as they aren't too heavily used.) Tom -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/7777cee5/attachment.pgp From loren at ensodex.com Thu Jul 26 15:27:54 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <20010726145553.J5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: Try http://www.wwc.com They use the Ricochet service. It is only a 128K speed service, but it might meet your needs. I am contemplating it for myself. Loren David Cahlander > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:56 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] qwest > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I > can't get the > > ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 > service in a > > residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. > They just filed > > with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck > with them until > > ATT gets their cablephone in my area. > > Give Real Time other options and share it with the LUG. > > I have asked several times to have wireless options presented to > me. I even > contacted some people in Duluth who are doing it, but they > totally blew me off. > > I have posted several times to the LUG asking for options, but > did not hear > much. Each time I ask someone internally at Real Time to look, > the ball gets > dropped or another project gets "in the way". > > If there are wireless options and Real Time can make some money > at it, I'll look > at it. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 26 15:39:39 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <20010726160454.B12350@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:04:54PM -0400 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010726160454.B12350@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010726223939.K11946@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:04:54PM -0400, Dan wrote: > > And what's up with misspelling words to make a "cool" name for your > company? Dammit, it's "quest". And the word "excel" starts with an 'e', not > an 'x'. "Qwest", "Xcel"...it's like being on an IRC channel with a bunch of > k1dd13s. > Finaly!!! Someone with the same meaning! Since I arrived to Minneapolis about 25 days ago from Denmark I've been telling my wife what was up with them saying 'Quest' in commercials when they were talking about Qwest (pronounced Q-west). There was another company I compared them to, but I can't seem to remember what it was. Gues I gotta see the tv- commercial and I'll remember it ;) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 26 15:42:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <20010726151858.D23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Qwest is obligated to provide you landline 911 even if you dont get > phone service from them. It might be called 'lifeline' service. Really? I don't have a land line. Qwest screwed me over, went to Cellular. Or does that mean that I can plug a phone into my "disconnected" phone jack and and I can still dial 911? -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 16:03:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 03:12:41PM -0500 References: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Oh, no. > > # rpm --rebuilddb > Segmentation fault > > Web did not turn up much. > > Somehow rpm's db got corrupted. I cannot install anything without rpm crashing > :-( > > # rpm -q rpm > rpm-4.0.2-6x > # rpm -vv --rebuilddb D: +++ 475 nfs-utils-0.3.1-0.6.x.1 D: adding "nfs-utils" to Name index. D: adding 73 entries to Basenames index. D: adding "System Environment/Daemons" to Group index. D: adding 17 entries to Requirename index. D: adding 6 entries to Providename index. D: adding 3 entries to Triggername index. Segmentation fault Before that it seg faulted on vim-common, so I removed it. Even before that it seg faulted on bonoobo, I removed that as well. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 16:13:35 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: <20010726161335.3e540b7d.blayer@qwest.net> I've never done network printing under Linux, and this is my first attempt. As you might imagine, it is not working... However, it does seem to work just fine from a Windows98 host that is running in VMware. I can ping and telnet the server from the linux console by name or IP, so connectivity seems assured. I am running an HP JetDirect 500x server @ 10.0.0.250 ("skinner"), and I have it configured thusly: > / ===JetDirect Telnet Configuration=== Firmware Rev. : J.07.03 MAC Address : 00:60:b0:c7:b7:ec Config By : USER SPECIFIED IP Address : 10.0.0.250 Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway : 10.0.0.250 Syslog Server : Not Specified Idle Timeout : 90 Seconds Set Cmnty Name : Not Specified Host Name : SKINNER DHCP Config : Disabled Passwd : Disabled IPX/SPX : Enabled DLC/LLC : Enabled Ethertalk : Enabled Port[1] Banner page : Enabled <- Port[2] Banner page : Enabled Port[3] Banner page : Enabled I can ping the server by name: root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# ping skinner PING skinner.springfield (10.0.0.250): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 10.0.0.250: icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=3.2 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.250: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=2.2 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.250: icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=1.8 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.250: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=1.6 ms --- skinner.springfield ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 1.6/2.2/3.2 ms Ok, so on to my /etc/printcap file. I have added the following two entries as per the instructions on HP's site: (http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/get_doc.pl?SNI=hpjetdirec8150&LC=networking&Tfile=bpj06515) hptq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=text1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hptq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hptq: hprq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=raw1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hprq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hprq: As you will notice, these are two different queues for the same printer: 'hptq' is a text-mode queue, and 'hprq' is a raw-mode queue. I assume that this does not create any conflicts, but will allow me to print in text or raw mode by calling the correct queue. However, neither work... if I try to: root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt The job never comes out. Looking in /var/spool/lpd the job it sitting there: root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# ls cfA026Homer dfA026Homer lock lpd.lock status and cat status gives: root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# cat status waiting for hptq to become ready (offline ?) What is going on here? Why does the printer appear to be offline? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 16:16:56 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing errata Message-ID: <20010726161656.4fb3d009.blayer@qwest.net> oops, the line in my last message that reads: root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt actually should read: root@homer:# lpd -P hptq xwindows.txt Doh, thanks for any help... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 16:21:53 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with linux rescue... Message-ID: <20010726162153.A23571@gordo.space.umn.edu> Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > How do I get one of these? Well, if you have the bandwidth to spare and a CD burner, then you can download the image from the URL below and make your own. If not, you could probably ask somebody to burn you one. Then either you could pick it up from somebody at a (regular or beer) meeting, or if they're really nice they might even mail it. > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > What is BBC??? > > Bootable Business Card. > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/ > http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/other_BBCs.epl -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 26 16:36:10 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing errata In-Reply-To: <20010726161656.4fb3d009.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt And now I come to find I'm not the first one to the Simpsons as a naming convention. D'oh! -Brian From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 16:41:16 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: <010726164116.202d3019@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Some dumb questions: > / IP Address : 10.0.0.250 Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 ??? Default Gateway : 10.0.0.250 <- ?? How can it resolve its own problems? Syslog Server : Not Specified hptq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=text1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hptq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hptq: hprq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=raw1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hprq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hprq: root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt ??? Isn't this lpr? Perhaps the space between the P and the skinner isn't significant, but I've seen where it is. The job never comes out. Looking in /var/spool/lpd the job it sitting there: root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# ls cfA026Homer dfA026Homer lock lpd.lock status and cat status gives: root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# cat status ??? I thought spooldir was lpd/hptq Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 16:48:34 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: I vaguely remember reading that jetdirect cards expect communication on port 9000 (or 9001, or something like that) and that you had to designate that in the config file: :rm=skinner@9000:\ or something close (since ":" is already used as a separator). >>> blayer@qwest.net 07/26/01 04:13PM >>> hptq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=text1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hptq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hptq: hprq:\ :lp=:\ :rm=skinner:\ :rp=raw1:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/hprq.log:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hprq: From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 16:56:36 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: <010726165636.202d3019@dcmir.med.umn.edu> I vaguely remember reading that jetdirect cards expect communication on port 9000 (or 9001, or something like that) and that you had to designate that in the config file: :rm=skinner@9000:\ or something close (since ":" is already used as a separator). or maybe even :rm=skinner 9100: You might also try the fqdn. I think 9100 is the correct port, though I'm not sure. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 16:57:12 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: The section on AppSocket Devices (11.5.1) seems to be close to what I was babbling about: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/network.html#NETWORKED-PRINTERS I don't know if it applies... >>> Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us 07/26/01 04:48PM >>> I vaguely remember reading that jetdirect cards expect communication on port 9000 (or 9001, or something like that) and that you had to designate that in the config file: :rm=skinner@9000:\ or something close (since ":" is already used as a separator). From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 17:00:13 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing errata In-Reply-To: References: <20010726161656.4fb3d009.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010726170013.638ebe81.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:36:10 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt > > And now I come to find I'm not the first one to the Simpsons as a naming > convention. D'oh! It's kind of common.. I got a mail from root@krusty.blah.edu the other day -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From cargods at storage.network.com Thu Jul 26 17:03:21 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: <200107262203.RAA06898@rainier.network.com> I read that some network printing stopped working because of the Code Red virus. JetDirect cards as well as the Cisco DSL modems roll over and die because of the buffer overflow attempt. dsc From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 17:06:11 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working In-Reply-To: <010726164116.202d3019@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <010726164116.202d3019@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010726170611.0cce4ff8.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:41:16 -0500 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Hi > > Some dumb questions: > > > / > IP Address : 10.0.0.250 > Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 > ??? Default Gateway : 10.0.0.250 <- ?? How can it resolve its own problems? > Syslog Server : Not Specified To be honest, I have no idea where to set the gateway, or what the significance might be. When I set the IP address, it automatically set the gateway to the same value. Shrug. > root@homer:# lpd -P skinner xwindows.txt > > ??? Isn't this lpr? Perhaps the space between the P and the skinner isn't > significant, but I've seen where it is. Yeah, this is the only line that I _didn't_ cut & paste... it is SUPPOSED TO READ: lpr -P hptq xwindows.txt I even fscked up the errata... =/ > root@Homer:/var/spool/lpd# cat status > > ??? I thought spooldir was lpd/hptq this is also a mystery. HP never told me to _create_ /var/spool/lpd/hptq .. so I didn't. The lpd just dupmed the spooled jobs into /var/spool/lpd. Then for kicks I mkdir hptq... lpd _still_ dumped the jobs into /var/spool/lpd. I don't understand this behaviour either. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 17:08:02 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hope to see you at Degidio's Message-ID: <20010726170802.77185c53.blayer@qwest.net> The subject line says it.. I'll probably start in the Bar, until we see how many of us show... Degidio's Restaurant and Bar 425 7th St W St Paul,?MN?55102-2730 Phone: (651) 291-7105 http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5518868/ -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 17:09:43 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working In-Reply-To: <200107262203.RAA06898@rainier.network.com> References: <200107262203.RAA06898@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010726170943.6826810c.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:03:21 -0500 (CDT) "David S. Cargo" wrote: > I read that some network printing stopped working because > of the Code Red virus. JetDirect cards as well as the Cisco > DSL modems roll over and die because of the buffer overflow > attempt. 1) This 500x server is not accessible from the net. 2) I didn't have it connected till last evening. 3) It works fine in Winders. 4) It is pissing me off. Thanks, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 17:05:33 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb 802.11 NIC's References: Message-ID: <3B60942D.6070603@sihope.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > >> I am in need of a usb 802.11 network adapter that likes Linux. I bought a >> D-Link DWL-120 (may return to BestBuy) and have yet to make it work. The >> only thing I have found on the internet in regards to a driver that might >> work is the pegasus driver. However it is for 10/100 baseT. I haven't >> "really" tried to make it work yet. I have not found any Hardware >> Compatability lists that even speak of such a device. >> Has anyone played with 802.11/USB devices under Linux? I found a couple of >> projects on freshmeat that look promising. Maybe I'm better off just >> getting pci cards.(but I don't want to). > > > I've used: > > LinkSys USB100TX (Pegasus) > NetGear EA101 (Kaweth; took a bit of messing around in the BIOS) The 802.11b standard is wireless. The devices stated above are both 802.3 which is ethernet. Anyway, I found one project on Sourceforge for the AT76C503A chip that is found in both of the usb adapters I have tried to make work. I really _hate_ plastic hardware. I felt like I was going to break the studid thing, peeling the case apart. Of coarse I wouldn't have needed to do that if Linksys had of been nice enough to include that information _somewhere_ that is publicly accessible. So, the pegasus driver is not going to work for my adapter. Is there anyone that might be will to write a driver for such a thing? I would certainly be willing to trade code for whatever.(fairly open whatever) I really want to use usb adapters for this project. The MB are "all-in-wonder" specials. So, I'd just as soon not stress their resources more than need be. The most frustrating part of it is: the machines dual with win***s, it is brainless to make it work under the redmond tree. AAAArrrrggghhh... -- DIYorDIE SpencerUnderground From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 26 17:11:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:56:14PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010726171146.C31353@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > "folow Bill" sounds like a plan to me.. all in favor.. show up :) So this is an unequivocal: Let's go? How many people plan to attend? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Jul 26 12:14:50 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> References: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01072617145001.05551@scott.imaginivity.net> On Thursday 26 July 2001 21:03, you wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Oh, no. > > > > # rpm --rebuilddb > > Segmentation fault > > > > Web did not turn up much. > > > > Somehow rpm's db got corrupted. I cannot install anything without > > rpm crashing > > > > :-( If you do ever figure this out, please post the solution. I've seen the same happen on Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2, Redhat 6.2 and 7.1 and SuSE (7.1 I think) and have not found a solution. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 17:14:38 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: <010726171438.202d3019@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Try restarting lpd. > ??? I thought spooldir was lpd/hptq this is also a mystery. HP never told me to _create_ /var/spool/lpd/hptq .. so I didn't. The lpd just dupmed the spooled jobs into /var/spool/lpd. Then for kicks I mkdir hptq... lpd _still_ dumped the jobs into /var/spool/lpd. I don't understand this behaviour either. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Jul 26 17:16:01 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working Message-ID: Did you remember to restart lpd after the 'mkdir'? >>> blayer@qwest.net 07/26/01 05:06PM >>> Then for kicks I mkdir hptq... lpd _still_ dumped the jobs into /var/spool/lpd. I don't understand this behaviour either. From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 17:15:33 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting? - Degidio's! References: <20010726171146.C31353@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B609685.103@sihope.com> Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > >> "folow Bill" sounds like a plan to me.. all in favor.. show up :) > > > So this is an unequivocal: Let's go? > > How many people plan to attend? > > florin I will be attending the Mud Pie meeting. No special reason, it's just what I do _everyday_. I do like Italian food and the 'loud' family style envirornment. I do not have transport tho. I do have computers to break. From blayer at qwest.net Thu Jul 26 17:36:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010726173640.1f58b3e0.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:16:01 -0500 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Did you remember to restart lpd after the 'mkdir'? No I didn't, but according to man printcap, the /etc/printcap is read whenever a print job is called, so that cahnges can be made to the file on-the-fly. I assumed that the spool dir path was part of this deal... In any event, restarting has no effect on where lpd is dumping it's jobs... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From chri0704 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 17:59:32 2001 From: chri0704 at tc.umn.edu (Hans Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010726160454.B12350@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <3B60A0D4.4030405@tc.umn.edu> I also hate Qwest. I would suggest burning down their offices or something, but I'm pretty sure they'd find a way to rape me from that. In fact, they're so pervasive, they're probably listening on this list.. It took me days of being on hold before I could get my DSL cancelled and switch to cable modem (I highly recommend it.) Sprint PCS is not that bad of a deal for cellular, especially since you get free long distance. I've been thinking of entirely ditching the landline. Ugh. -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minnapolis, MN 55413 (612) 331-4125 chri0704@tc.umn.edu From spencer at sihope.com Thu Jul 26 18:00:21 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] download.com Message-ID: <3B60A105.7070200@sihope.com> I swear I was looking for Linux specific apps at download.com less than 2 weeks ago. Today they have no filter for Linux in the by OS filter. There must be a reason, and I bet it's not the weather. Unless it is a hailstorm. From kelly at ncis.com Thu Jul 26 18:52:24 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest Message-ID: <004801c1162e$05882640$0a01a8c0@kelly.inet> I also found out that when you get the automated answering system with qwest. If you type in your phone# you get directed to a PERSON!!! try it. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Florin Iucha To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] qwest >On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >> Ok, I'm moving into my new place soon, so I preordered a phone line. The >> number that was there didn't qualify for DSL but was within range. They >> said that it was probably because there was old line in the neighborhood and >> they'd send someone out to replace some of the wire to try to get me to >> qualify. So my new line is hooked up, I call the DSL office, and now I'm >> magically 18,700 feet from the CO, several thousand feet farther than >> before. They said the guy probably put me on another circuit or something, >> and they won't change it for me. And then the guy said I was supposed to be >> charged for the guy replacing the line so he tried to charge me for it, even >> when the rep that set up my line in the first place said it was no charge. >> >> My brother ordered service at his apartment, and the guy on the phone said >> he could get DSL for like $20, router for free, and all of the services like >> call waiting for free too. He gets his first bill, and it's like $190. So >> he called back, and the guy signed him up for some expensive DSL service, >> all of those services were not free, they sent out the wrong modem (CAP, not >> DMT), he never got the modem, they sent a new one which was broken. Then he >> cancelled it all because he was sick of it, and they are still trying to >> charge him for a modem he didn't get, and a modem that was broken when he >> received it. And he complained about the guy that set up his service and >> said all the stuff was free and the guy called him about 10pm one night and >> left a nasty harrassing voicemail for him, which he now has a tape of for >> the PUC to listen to. So now he has like this $400 bill for a month of >> phone service, and they are being total assholes about refunding his money >> for the modems and the DSL service which he never got a chance to use. >> >> Everytime I call those bastards I end up getting transferred at least 4 >> times, they have menuing systems that just disconnect you when you choose >> certain options or just forward you to numbers that aren't in service >> anymore, > >My 2-year experience with this kind of menus: If at the first try you end >up waiting too long or sent to a non-existing number dial again the main >number and choose the option of "new customer/place order" (or along the >same lines). 99% of times all the numbers are routed to the same operators, >just you request is given a smaller priority if you choose complain or >return. > >> I sit on hold for abysmally long periods of time, and everyone I >> talk to is a total asshole (and I'm usually very polite with them). I spent >> over 11 hours on my cellphone with them one month because they kept putting >> me on hold, and the number I needed to call wasn't accessible from my home >> phone (Qwest), go figure. > >There has to be a 1-800 number for that. If not send another complaint to the >PUC. > >> Every single bill I have ever received from them >> with the exception of one, has been incorrect. I've been charged for pager >> and cellphone service that I never had, and my account once kept getting >> transferred into someone elses name, 4 months in a row (same address, just a >> different name). >> >> This isn't even half of it, > >Gee... I was deeply impressed so far... really. > >> I've been through so much crap with them that I >> could probably sit here and type all day about all the things that they've >> screwed up or failed to do, the rude phone reps, the incompetent phone reps, >> and the billing mistakes each and every month for they last 3 years. >> >> And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I can't get the >> ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a >> residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed >> with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck with them until >> ATT gets their cablephone in my area. >> >> Qwest is the epitome of terrible service and if you have any problems with >> Qwest, please file a complaint with the minnesota public utilities >> commission: >> MN Public Utilities Commission >> 121 7th Place E. Suite 350 >> St. Paul, MN 55101-2147 >> Consumer Assistance/Information: 651/296-0406 >> TDD/TTY (For Hearing Impaired): 651/297-1200 >> Toll Free Dial 1 and Then: 800/657-3782 >> General Information: 651-296-7124 >> Fax: 651-297-7073 >> >> I heard Qwest actually gets fined $500 for each complaint, and the PUC just >> assumes them to be true now because they get so many, no more >> investigations, just a big fat bill. I don't know if this is true or not, >> but anything I can do to hurt Qwest makes me feel good, it's revenge for >> them causing me more trouble than any other company or person that I do >> business with, including the IRS. >> >> Looks like I'm stuck with a cable modem (no hosting servers) unless I shell >> out $1500 install + $400 a month for wireless from Implex.net, or $800 month >> for a t1 (with a 2 year contract, blech..). > >Just make sure to follow up with PUC and push them to do their duty. > >florin > >-- > >"If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 19:05:45 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PGP keyservers.. Message-ID: <20010726190545.4e879929.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Anyone have recommendations for PGP keyservers? I've been having more trouble lately due to some slow servers. Of course, my problems are exacerbated by the fact that some of the messages that arrive in my inbox are signed by folks who haven't uploaded their public keys to the keyservers.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Are we live, or are we / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Memorex? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/69b08016/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 26 19:28:00 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010726160454.B12350@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <006901c11632$fd9b3df0$0101a8c0@cascade> You are not obligated to have a landline. The goverment requires phone service to have landline capability. That means that it must have 99.999% uptime and must supply its own power in the case of a power outage. I believe that it must maintain power for 24 hour. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] qwest > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > > residential home, > > Hmmm, I've never heard of this law. What about the Amish (I'm from rural > Wisconsin)? I say, if the government is keen on me having a landline for > 911 service, they can pay for it themselves... :) > > I too am eager to ditch my land line and just use a cellphone, > but it's a tad bit expensive right now. But I feel your pain with respect > to Qwest -- although I've had the good fortune to experience less of it -- > and am no fan of those doofuses. > > > And what's up with misspelling words to make a "cool" name for your > company? Dammit, it's "quest". And the word "excel" starts with an 'e', not > an 'x'. "Qwest", "Xcel"...it's like being on an IRC channel with a bunch of > k1dd13s. > > > Dan > > > -- > lemon | Dan Drake > + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org > ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake > ?! | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 26 20:02:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman process, archives and backups Message-ID: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> Greetings! Mailing list dictator here . The tclug archives (well all the mailing list archives on list server) have grown large enough -and- the tclug list (and all other other lists) are busy enough that it's becoming difficult to get a clean backup of the archives. Technical sideline: Mailman is kind of dorky, it stores all the archives in mbox format. Yes, 1 huge-ass file. So, I'm in the middle of backing up this 1.0Gb (yes, that is the size of some of the archives) a new message comes in and it gets append to the mbox file. Oops! BRU freaks on the check because the file changed from the time it started to write the file to tape until the time it finished writing the file to tape. So, I'm going to suspend processing mail message from 3am - 5am. The backup kicks off at 3:02am and has been finishing around 4:45am. This should give us a clean backup. Mailing list dictator signing off -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Jul 26 20:10:58 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman process, archives and backups In-Reply-To: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> References: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <996195861.6470.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> What if backup programs let you designate certain files as "Append Only" so they'd backup only the part of a file that had been appended to the end of the file since the last backup? Next version? Brady > Greetings! > > Mailing list dictator here . > > The tclug archives (well all the mailing list archives on list server) have > grown large enough -and- the tclug list (and all other other lists) are busy > enough that it's becoming difficult to get a clean backup of the archives. > > Technical sideline: Mailman is kind of dorky, it stores all the archives in mbox > format. Yes, 1 huge-ass file. So, I'm in the middle of backing up this 1.0Gb > (yes, that is the size of some of the archives) a new message comes in and it > gets append to the mbox file. Oops! BRU freaks on the check because the file > changed from the time it started to write the file to tape until the time it > finished writing the file to tape. > > So, I'm going to suspend processing mail message from 3am - 5am. The backup > kicks off at 3:02am and has been finishing around 4:45am. This should give us a > clean backup. > > Mailing list dictator signing off > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 26 20:17:07 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman process, archives and backups In-Reply-To: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> References: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01072620170701.29872@friday.tarsk.com> Have you considered converting to something a bit more... um... dependable? like maildir? I know it would take a while to do the convert, but for an archive that big it might make things a bit easier. Jay On Thursday 26 July 2001 8:02 pm, you wrote: > Greetings! > > Mailing list dictator here . > > The tclug archives (well all the mailing list archives on list server) have > grown large enough -and- the tclug list (and all other other lists) are > busy enough that it's becoming difficult to get a clean backup of the > archives. > > Technical sideline: Mailman is kind of dorky, it stores all the archives in > mbox format. Yes, 1 huge-ass file. So, I'm in the middle of backing up this > 1.0Gb (yes, that is the size of some of the archives) a new message comes > in and it gets append to the mbox file. Oops! BRU freaks on the check > because the file changed from the time it started to write the file to tape > until the time it finished writing the file to tape. > > So, I'm going to suspend processing mail message from 3am - 5am. The backup > kicks off at 3:02am and has been finishing around 4:45am. This should give > us a clean backup. > > Mailing list dictator signing off -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com FORTUNE DISCUSSES THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN: #2 Desserts: A woman will generally admire an ornate dessert for the artistic work it is, praising its creator and waiting a suitable interval before she reluctantly takes a small sliver off one edge. A man will start by grabbing the cherry in the center. Car repair: The average man thinks his Y chromosome contains complete repair manuals for every car made since World War II. He will work on a problem himself until it either goes away or turns into something that "can't be fixed without special tools". The average woman thinks "that funny thump-thump noise" is an accurate description of an automotive problem. She will, however, have the car serviced at the proper intervals and thereby incur fewer problems than the average man. From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Jul 26 20:27:42 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > And the worst part is, they're a monopoly in most areas. I can't get the > ATT cablephone, and it's a law that you have to landline 911 service in a > residential home, so I can't just keep my cellphone around. They just filed > with the FCC to increase their rates on DSL also. I'm stuck with them until > ATT gets their cablephone in my area. I know of no such law and I have my house setup just like that. No land line, wasn't even a dial tone when I moved in and I'm not getting a bill. Just the cell phone. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From shane at shell.schulte.org Thu Jul 26 21:00:08 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel Message-ID: Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? ~Shane From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jul 26 21:13:51 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:00:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010727041351.A29553@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:00:08PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? If there's not, I vote for something like #tclug on openprojects network -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 21:19:57 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010726211957.31ec3c68.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Shane Kinney wrote: > > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? well, #tclug on irc.mn-linux.org, but it's been ill-used. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bush makes me wanna Ralph. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/e8bbf4ff/attachment.pgp From shane at shell.schulte.org Thu Jul 26 21:25:31 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727041351.A29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: I think so too. It seems that #klug is the one for Rochester. Not many people on that channel. Maybe that could be a side topic at the next meeting?... ~Shane http://www.shanekinney.net On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:00:08PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? > > If there's not, I vote for something like #tclug on openprojects network > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu Jul 26 21:34:46 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <01072617145001.05551@scott.imaginivity.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 05:14:50PM +0000 References: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> <01072617145001.05551@scott.imaginivity.net> Message-ID: <20010726213446.A4361@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 05:14:50PM +0000, Scott W Fischer wrote: > On Thursday 26 July 2001 21:03, you wrote: > > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > > Oh, no. > > > > > > # rpm --rebuilddb > > > Segmentation fault > > > > > > Web did not turn up much. > > > > > > Somehow rpm's db got corrupted. I cannot install anything without > > > rpm crashing > > > > > > :-( > > If you do ever figure this out, please post the solution. I've seen > the same happen on Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2, Redhat 6.2 and 7.1 and SuSE > (7.1 I think) and have not found a solution. > > -swf > > -- > Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list My system did the same thing the other day, running Redhat 7.1. I tried rebuilding the db and a lot of other things. Finally, I downloaded the rpm tarball from ftp.rpm.org and unpacked it. It did *something* 'cause rpm started to work again. The file was called rpm-4.0.2.i386.tar.gz and I found it in the /pub/rpm/dist/4.0.x directory. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us home: 952-934-4851 Eden Prairie, MN 55346 fax: 952-937-9832 --- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 26 21:41:40 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: References: <20010727041351.A29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010726214140.038044ba.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Shane Kinney wrote: > > I think so too. It seems that #klug is the one for Rochester. Not many > people on that channel. Maybe that could be a side topic at the next > meeting?... > ~Shane > http://www.shanekinney.net #klug on irc.k-lug.org probably sees more traffic -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If God is perfect, why / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ did He create \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) discontinuous functions? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010726/3dffbe7f/attachment.pgp From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Jul 26 22:35:15 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] download.com In-Reply-To: <3B60A105.7070200@sihope.com> Message-ID: I get a linux section... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Thu Jul 26 23:07:57 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This might not be the solution you want, but I've had great luck using CUPS and it's web interface to CUPS to setup printing with HP Jetdirect. Ben From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Thu Jul 26 23:43:05 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql -- append select to another select result Message-ID: Hey all -- thanks for the php help -- I've got it all working now. But I've got a mysql question: I want to append two select results to eachother. Is there a good way to do this (ie, not: make temp table, insert select1 into temp_table, select2 into temp table.) I've got two tables ID Last A 1 Smith some 2 Kim one ID2 Last B 1 Fred other 2 Barg than and I want to get outputed: ID ID2 Last A B 1 Smith some 2 Kim one 1 Fred other 2 Barg than Basically, I want to the two tables merged together, but I want no overlap -- the join command seems to work for joining two table containing linked information, but I've got different entries in two types of tables. (The purpose of this is so I can sorta on Last between the two tables) Any ideas? Thanks, Ben From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 00:05:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman process, archives and backups In-Reply-To: <01072620170701.29872@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 08:17:07PM -0500 References: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> <01072620170701.29872@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010727000539.A20649@real-time.com> Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > Have you considered converting to something a bit more... um... dependable? > like maildir? I know it would take a while to do the convert, but for an > archive that big it might make things a bit easier. Volunteering? I actually have a feature request into mailman developers to change the format to Maildir. The mbox format is not my choice, it's what mailman stores archive files in. This is not a inbox (/var/spool/mail), it's something else. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 00:06:19 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:00:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> Quoting Shane Kinney (shane@shell.schulte.org): > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? irc.mn-linux.org #tclug, but no one uses it. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 00:12:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <20010726213446.A4361@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:34:46PM -0500 References: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> <01072617145001.05551@scott.imaginivity.net> <20010726213446.A4361@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20010727001212.C20649@real-time.com> Quoting Jim Kaufman (jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us): > > If you do ever figure this out, please post the solution. I've seen > > the same happen on Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2, Redhat 6.2 and 7.1 and SuSE > > (7.1 I think) and have not found a solution. Solution: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50105 I rev'd up rpm, dud a --rebuildb, got a warning about a lost link. Ran it again and it came back clean. *** BIG WARNING *** The code is rawhide, so it's not production. rpm-4.0.3-0.57.6x does -NOT- work with red-carpet! So, I installed rpm-4.0.3-0.57.6x, --rebuilddb, rpm -Uhv --force rpm-4.0.2-6x BACK onto the system. All works fine now, include red-carpet. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 00:16:30 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm --rebuilddb Segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <20010727001212.C20649@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:12:12AM -0500 References: <20010726151241.L5269@real-time.com> <20010726160345.R5269@real-time.com> <01072617145001.05551@scott.imaginivity.net> <20010726213446.A4361@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <20010727001212.C20649@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727001630.D20649@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): Ick, this is what you get when you type on a saturated link! > Solution: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50105 > > I rev'd up rpm, dud a --rebuildb, got a warning about a lost link. Ran it > again and it came back clean. dud = did --rebuildb = --rebuilddb > > *** BIG WARNING *** > > The code is rawhide, so it's not production. > > rpm-4.0.3-0.57.6x does -NOT- work with red-carpet! > > So, I installed rpm-4.0.3-0.57.6x, --rebuilddb, rpm -Uhv --force rpm-4.0.2-6x > BACK onto the system. All works fine now, include red-carpet. > > -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 27 00:36:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Sircam virus silliness Message-ID: <20010727003620.7306b10b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Thought you folks might get a kick out of this. The next time you pick up a copy of that Sircam worm, run `strings' on it. Some of the more interesting (and somewhat funny) results: SOFTWARE\Borland\Delphi\RTL Portions Copyright (c) 1983,99 Borland Software\Borland\Locales Software\Borland\Delphi\Locales Too many levels of symbolic links Too many processes Too many users Disk quota exceeded Stale NFS file handle -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I did a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ little shopping. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010727/b57728a0/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jul 27 00:50:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >You are not obligated to have a landline. The goverment requires phone >service to have landline capability. That means that it must have 99.999% >uptime and must supply its own power in the case of a power outage. I >believe that it must maintain power for 24 hour. Actually, if you make a little device which takes its power from the phone line, and you get caught, the phone company can take you to court for stealing electricity. I was reading about it last week somewhere. Anyway, wireless..... The only two places I know of here in town that offer wireless are Implex.net and baldeagle.net. I'm 8 miles from downtown MPLS, and with a 10 foot telescoping antenna, I have line of sight view. Apparently the equipment that implex uses has a range of 14 miles, and it's directional 802.11. However, they get you with the $1500 install charge. I think Implex actually farms out the equipment install and everything to some other company. They simply pay for the connection to the Antenna on top of the Pillsbury building, and this other company charges them to set it all up. They give him a cut of the monthly charge and it's all good. If Real-time wanted to get involved, they could probably do some sneaky inquiries and get the installer to call them and then try to work a deal. :) I really really want to be able to keep my machines at my house to serve out my personal site and stuff, I have to get something done fast because I have to move soon. But damn, $1500 for install is a bit steep. It's $400 a month for 512kbps also. For double that, you could have a full T1 with a whole class C. I've got a cable modem coming next week just in case I don't find something, and I'll probably just end up monitoring where they scan me from to see if I'm running servers, then block their IP's and run a server anyway. :) Of course, if they do an Xmas scan, they'll still be able to see if the port is open or not if I'm using a linux firewall, Doh. If anyone has a big fat connection, and wants to experiment with some directional 802.11, and is willing to give me a few ip's, I'd be happy to help (in the name of science of course). :) Jay From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 01:27:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:50:46AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010727012711.E20649@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Anyway, wireless..... The only two places I know of here in town that offer > wireless are Implex.net and baldeagle.net. I'm 8 miles from downtown MPLS, > and with a 10 foot telescoping antenna, I have line of sight view. > Apparently the equipment that implex uses has a range of 14 miles, and it's > directional 802.11. However, they get you with the $1500 install charge. I But what is their mark-up? Only 2 players in town tells me you can probably charge what you -think- you can get. > I really really want to be able to keep my machines at my house to serve out > my personal site and stuff, I have to get something done fast because I have > to move soon. But damn, $1500 for install is a bit steep. It's $400 a > month for 512kbps also. For double that, you could have a full T1 with a Small supply, large-ish demmand. They can charge what they want. I can remember when single IP 64K ISDN was $150/month! And now your lucky if you can charge $25/month. Competition is good for the consumer. :-) > If anyone has a big fat connection, and wants to experiment with some > directional 802.11, and is willing to give me a few ip's, I'd be happy to > help (in the name of science of course). :) Have you priced 56K frame (from Qworst of course)? Yes, your local loop would be 56K, but unless you get someone how knows what they are doing Qwest will let you burst way above 56K. Yes, it's only 56K, but how data you really pushing? Yes, it's Qwest, can't find the monopoly. Get one of those really niffy $200 Frame Cards for Linux or -really- go for it an get the $800 model (sorry, cannot remember name, but they are advertised in Linux Journel). Find a friendly ISP (cough) who wants someone to test these Frame cards out. Viola' ? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cfandre at fandre.com Fri Jul 27 07:56:55 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > Quoting Shane Kinney (shane@shell.schulte.org): > > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? > > irc.mn-linux.org #tclug, but no one uses it. :-) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 07:48:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql -- append select to another select result In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 11:43:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010727074814.A508@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 11:43:05PM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > Hey all -- thanks for the php help -- I've got it all working now. But > I've got a mysql question: > > I want to append two select results to eachother. Is there a good way to > do this (ie, not: make temp table, insert select1 into temp_table, select2 > into temp table.) > > I've got two tables > > ID Last A > 1 Smith some > 2 Kim one > > > ID2 Last B > 1 Fred other > 2 Barg than > > > and I want to get outputed: > > ID ID2 Last A B > 1 Smith some > 2 Kim one > 1 Fred other > 2 Barg than > > > Basically, I want to the two tables merged together, but I want no overlap > -- the join command seems to work for joining two table containing linked > information, but I've got different entries in two types of tables. (The > purpose of this is so I can sorta on Last between the two tables) > > Any ideas? I don't know if mysql supports UNION, but the big databases do: union (select ID, Last, A, NULL, NULL, NULL from Table1) (select NULL, NULL, NULL, ID2, Last, B from Table2) Or if you want ID Last something 1 Smith some 2 Kim one 1 Fred other 2 Barg than use union (select ID, Last, A something from Table1) (select ID2 ID, Last, B something from Table2) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From spencer at sihope.com Fri Jul 27 08:17:01 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] download.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01072708170101.01455@usurper.autonomous.tv> On Thursday 26 July 2001 10:35 pm, you wrote: > I get a linux section... yeah, For some reason cnet did not auto detect my OS (RH7.1) when I visitited. It normally searches the database for the OS you are currently running. For what ever reason it thouht I wanted to search all ms and BEoS ( why they are grouped together I do not know). After I wiped all the crap out of my eyes I realized I was a fool and had posted prematurely. premature exclamation > > -- SpencerUnderground deltree c:\windows /y From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Jul 27 08:19:05 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010726152449.B26688@localhost> Message-ID: <3B616A46.A3C8243@eetc.com> Tom Hudak wrote: > >I heard Qwest actually gets fined $500 for each complaint, and the PUC just > >assumes them to be true now because they get so many, no more > >investigations, just a big fat bill. I don't know if this is true or not, > >but anything I can do to hurt Qwest makes me feel good, it's revenge for > >them causing me more trouble than any other company or person that I do > >business with, including the IRS. > Yes, this is true. They have and will continue to send a $500 dollar invoice > for each complaint received. The unfortunate thing is that they profit more > than that every day, so even 1 complaint a day will not phase them. Ya but it will make me feel better knowing that it now cost's them money to work w/ me. :-) sim From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 08:54:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a bitchx irc.mn-linux.org and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." I have tested the connection with a telnet irc.mn-linux.org 6667 and I've got a telnet prompt. Help! florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Jul 27 08:56:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman process, archives and backups In-Reply-To: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 08:02:02PM -0500 References: <20010726200202.C25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727085650.A6249@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 08:02:02PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Greetings! > >Mailing list dictator here . > >The tclug archives (well all the mailing list archives on list server) have >grown large enough -and- the tclug list (and all other other lists) are busy >enough that it's becoming difficult to get a clean backup of the archives. Have you tinkered with LVM's snapshotting ability yet? That may help some. You could snapshot the volume, and then back up the snapshot. Amanda would happily handle that for you :-) don't know about BRU, I tried it, decided it sucked and went with amanda. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010727/0ebbba6c/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jul 27 08:58:59 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <003101c116a4$49735f70$3028680a@tgt.com> > Anyway, wireless..... The only two places I know of here in town that offer > wireless are Implex.net and baldeagle.net. I'm 8 miles from downtown MPLS, > and with a 10 foot telescoping antenna, I have line of sight view. > Apparently the equipment that implex uses has a range of 14 miles, and it's > directional 802.11. However, they get you with the $1500 install charge. I > think Implex actually farms out the equipment install and everything to some > other company. They simply pay for the connection to the Antenna on top of > the Pillsbury building, and this other company charges them to set it all > up. They give him a cut of the monthly charge and it's all good. If > Real-time wanted to get involved, they could probably do some sneaky > inquiries and get the installer to call them and then try to work a deal. > :) This is all really good until it rains or snows or perhaps fog. Then you are SOL. Don't worry though, these conditions never exist in the Twin Cities area ;) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:04:29 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 09:06:59 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727090659.B6487@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > I have tested the connection with a > telnet irc.mn-linux.org 6667 and I've got a telnet prompt. > ... and now with tirc: "Connected to ircd, registering client" and that's about it... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From kethry at winternet.com Fri Jul 27 09:07:08 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: I have a standard ircII client set up - that I've been using on EFnet, StarChat, and Undernet without problems - using ircII I'm also unable to connect to irc.mn-linux.org - usually what's been the case in the past when it hangs on connect is that the irc server isn't up and running - don't know if that's the case or not here- just my .02 and observations from past experience. Liz On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:12:26 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727090659.B6487@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:06:59AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> <20010727090659.B6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727161226.C29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:06:59AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > I have tested the connection with a > > telnet irc.mn-linux.org 6667 and I've got a telnet prompt. > > > ... and now with tirc: > > "Connected to ircd, registering client" How long do you wait for a connection? If not, try: bitchx florin irc.openprojects.net and see if that will work better.. -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From thomas at io.stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:14:50 2001 From: thomas at io.stderr.net (thomas@io.stderr.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:07:08AM -0500 References: <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727161449.D29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:07:08AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > I have a standard ircII client set up - that I've been using on EFnet, > StarChat, and Undernet without problems - using ircII I'm also unable to > connect to irc.mn-linux.org - usually what's been the case in the past > when it hangs on connect is that the irc server isn't up and running - > don't know if that's the case or not here- just my .02 and observations > from past experience. Instant connection to irc.mn-linux.org here though ;-) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 27 09:18:12 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727091812.7c1f0968.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." I connected yesterday after sending off my first note on the subject. Everything worked fine, but nobody else joined. I had forgotten to run BitchX with a vga font, so I exited and tried re-connecting, and then I saw the behavior you describe.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ No one gets too old to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ learn a new way of being \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) stupid. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010727/34b60004/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 09:15:58 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:04:29PM +0200 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727091557.C6487@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:04:29PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) identd? Why would I want identd? Bob, Is identd required? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:18:55 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727161449.D29553@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@io.stderr.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:14:50PM +0200 References: <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> <20010727161449.D29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727161855.E29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:14:50PM +0200, thomas@io.stderr.net wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:07:08AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > I have a standard ircII client set up - that I've been using on EFnet, > > StarChat, and Undernet without problems - using ircII I'm also unable to > > connect to irc.mn-linux.org - usually what's been the case in the past > > when it hangs on connect is that the irc server isn't up and running - > > don't know if that's the case or not here- just my .02 and observations > > from past experience. > > Instant connection to irc.mn-linux.org here though ;-) Which now seems to be haning, very badly *Sigh* -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:30:51 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727091557.C6487@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:15:58AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> <20010727091557.C6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727163051.F29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:15:58AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:04:29PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > Bob, Is identd required? Probably not required, but most irc servers check for it.. -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Jul 27 09:41:21 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ABit KT7A-Raid Question Message-ID: <3B617D91.3040909@uswest.net> Question, I just purchase a KT7A-Raid motherboard off the of the TCLUG classifieds section. Does anyone know if the board supports the latest AMD chips? Everything I find says it supports >= 1.2 GHz chips. I can't find anything that says if it supports the 1.33 or 1.4 chips. All of the documentation on the ABit site is dated 3/21/2001 so I don't know if they just have not updated their material. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From cart0196 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 27 09:52:33 2001 From: cart0196 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network printing not working References: <20010726173640.1f58b3e0.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B618031.41EE4864@tc.umn.edu> This probably won't help but on the off chance: I print to a jetdirect HP4050 here is my printcap file, you have probably seen this before, but... HP4050:\ :sh:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP4050:\ :rm=192.168.0.22:\ :rp=raw: Also if you don't have a proper DNS for your internal network but still have your boxes "named" you won't be able to print to the jetdirect printer (at least in my case you couldn't). If this is the cas you can try to set the localhost name to its IP address and try to print. The default gateway and the IP address are the same for our HP as well. Brian Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:16:01 -0500 > "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > > > Did you remember to restart lpd after the 'mkdir'? > > No I didn't, but according to man printcap, the /etc/printcap is read > whenever a print job is called, so that cahnges can be made to the file > on-the-fly. I assumed that the spool dir path was part of this deal... > > In any event, restarting has no effect on where lpd is dumping it's > jobs... > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Jul 27 09:50:04 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727163051.F29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: I really think that we could get a lot of people to use the #tclug channel. I think that we should absolutly give it another try. I'm not too sure how we go about this though (if we want to bring it back). Any suggestions? ~Shane http://www.shanekinney.net On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:15:58AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:04:29PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) > > > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > > > Bob, Is identd required? > > Probably not required, but most irc servers check for it.. > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 09:56:47 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ABit KT7A-Raid Question In-Reply-To: <3B617D91.3040909@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:41:21AM -0500 References: <3B617D91.3040909@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010727095646.D6487@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:41:21AM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Question, > > I just purchase a KT7A-Raid motherboard off the of the TCLUG classifieds > section. Does anyone know if the board supports the latest AMD chips? > Everything I find says it supports >= 1.2 GHz chips. I can't find > anything that says if it supports the 1.33 or 1.4 chips. All of the > documentation on the ABit site is dated 3/21/2001 so I don't know if > they just have not updated their material. I don't know specifically about this board but as Abit has the "SoftMenu" BIOS entry for setting up FSB and multiplier I think just flashing the BIOS to the latest version might help. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 09:59:29 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:50:04AM -0500 References: <20010727163051.F29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727165929.G29553@io.stderr.net> So far: florin, Simeon, kethry(realname?) and me are on #tclug at irc.openprojects.net On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:50:04AM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > I really think that we could get a lot of people to use the #tclug > channel. I think that we should absolutly give it another try. > I'm not too sure how we go about this though (if we want to bring it > back). Any suggestions? > ~Shane > http://www.shanekinney.net > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:15:58AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:04:29PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > > > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > > > > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) > > > > > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > > > > > Bob, Is identd required? > > > > Probably not required, but most irc servers check for it.. > > > > -- > > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 27 10:07:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ABit KT7A-Raid Question In-Reply-To: <20010727095646.D6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > I don't know specifically about this board but as Abit has the "SoftMenu" > BIOS entry for setting up FSB and multiplier I think just flashing the > BIOS to the latest version might help. There may be upgrades for the Softmenu III, I e-mailed Abit tech support about it and never got a response back. From kethry at winternet.com Fri Jul 27 10:08:15 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727165929.G29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > So far: florin, Simeon, kethry (*grin* that's me - can't you tell from my email addy? *wink*) -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Jul 27 10:17:28 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ABit KT7A-Raid Question References: Message-ID: <3B618608.6040103@uswest.net> Brian wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > >>I don't know specifically about this board but as Abit has the "SoftMenu" >>BIOS entry for setting up FSB and multiplier I think just flashing the >>BIOS to the latest version might help. >> > > There may be upgrades for the Softmenu III, I e-mailed Abit tech support > about it and never got a response back. > Yes, I tried that too with no response and also went through their FAQs but could not find anything -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 10:25:52 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:08:15AM -0500 References: <20010727165929.G29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727172552.H29553@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:08:15AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > So far: florin, Simeon, kethry > > (*grin* that's me - can't you tell from my email addy? *wink*) I can now, after jima pointed me to it :-) -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From cfandre at fandre.com Fri Jul 27 11:29:57 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727161226.C29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010727112956.C18561@fandre.com> OK. irc.mn-linux.org #tclug is open for business. Let's test it out and see how many we can get connected. Thomas Eibner [thomas@stderr.net] wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:06:59AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > > > I have tested the connection with a > > > telnet irc.mn-linux.org 6667 and I've got a telnet prompt. > > > > > ... and now with tirc: > > > > "Connected to ircd, registering client" > > How long do you wait for a connection? > > If not, try: > > bitchx florin irc.openprojects.net and see if that will work better.. > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From isla0005 at umn.edu Fri Jul 27 11:32:12 2001 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security certificate Message-ID: <200107271632.LAA24439@www7.mail.umn.edu> Hi guys (and girls) I need to make https enabled in my home web server running apache13 (freebsd4.1) I installed httpsd and openssl. Now how do I proceed to generate the security certificate? My understanding is that the browser will complain if the certificate is not from a CA, but i should still be able to run https sessions, right ? Any help appreciated. BTW, how are you Bill (layer) ? Apu From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Jul 27 11:33:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83CA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I checked into frame pricing, and it was expensive, but I don't think I got pricing for the 56k frame... I have all the equipment I need for it, a cisco 3640 with a 4 port frame WIC and another T1 CSU/DSU WIC, so I probably wouldn't be buying the linux frame card. Although, if you could get the linux frame card working with Astaro (http://www.astaro.com), that would be pretty sweet. I have a 512k DSL now, and I grab some fairly large files from home when I'm at work and vice-versa, so I don't think a 56k frame would be fast enough. Does anyone know the name of the companies that make the 802.11 directional equipment? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:27 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] qwest > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > Anyway, wireless..... The only two places I know of here > in town that > > offer wireless are Implex.net and baldeagle.net. I'm 8 miles from > > downtown MPLS, and with a 10 foot telescoping antenna, I > have line of > > sight view. Apparently the equipment that implex uses has a > range of > > 14 miles, and it's directional 802.11. However, they get > you with the > > $1500 install charge. I > > But what is their mark-up? Only 2 players in town tells me > you can probably charge what you -think- you can get. > > > I really really want to be able to keep my machines at my house to > > serve out my personal site and stuff, I have to get something done > > fast because I have to move soon. But damn, $1500 for install is a > > bit steep. It's $400 a month for 512kbps also. For double > that, you > > could have a full T1 with a > > Small supply, large-ish demmand. They can charge what they > want. I can remember when single IP 64K ISDN was $150/month! > And now your lucky if you can charge $25/month. > > Competition is good for the consumer. :-) > > > If anyone has a big fat connection, and wants to experiment > with some > > directional 802.11, and is willing to give me a few ip's, > I'd be happy > > to help (in the name of science of course). :) > > Have you priced 56K frame (from Qworst of course)? Yes, your > local loop would be 56K, but unless you get someone how knows > what they are doing Qwest will let you burst way above 56K. > > Yes, it's only 56K, but how data you really pushing? > > Yes, it's Qwest, can't find the monopoly. > > Get one of those really niffy $200 Frame Cards for Linux or > -really- go for it an get the $800 model (sorry, cannot > remember name, but they are advertised in Linux Journel). > Find a friendly ISP (cough) who wants someone to test these > Frame cards out. Viola' ? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cfandre at fandre.com Fri Jul 27 11:52:43 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] security certificate In-Reply-To: <200107271632.LAA24439@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010727115242.D18561@fandre.com> Check out www.modssl.org. http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC27 Mohammed W Islam [isla0005@umn.edu] wrote: > Hi guys (and girls) > > I need to make https enabled in my home web server running apache13 > (freebsd4.1) > I installed httpsd and openssl. Now how do I proceed to generate the > security certificate? My understanding is that the browser will complain if > the certificate is not from a CA, but i should still be able to run https > sessions, right ? Any help appreciated. > BTW, how are you Bill (layer) ? > > Apu > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Jul 27 11:56:29 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727112956.C18561@fandre.com> Message-ID: Alright I have logged into irc.openprojects.org #tclug...It seems that everyone went to irc.mn-linux.org....I'm checking that out now. C-ya there! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. irc.mn-linux.org #tclug is open for business. Let's test it out and see how many we can get connected. > > Thomas Eibner [thomas@stderr.net] wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:06:59AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:54:56AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:56:55AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Yea, why is that? You guys willing to give it a second chance? Come on, let's see how many TCLUG'ers we can get connected... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to connect with bitchX. I do a > > > > bitchx irc.mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > and it stays there forever with "Connecting to..." > > > > > > > > I have tested the connection with a > > > > telnet irc.mn-linux.org 6667 and I've got a telnet prompt. > > > > > > > ... and now with tirc: > > > > > > "Connected to ircd, registering client" > > > > How long do you wait for a connection? > > > > If not, try: > > > > bitchx florin irc.openprojects.net and see if that will work better.. > > > > -- > > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 27 12:16:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727112956.C18561@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:29:57AM -0500 References: <20010727161226.C29553@io.stderr.net> <20010727112956.C18561@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010727121649.A29033@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:29:57AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. irc.mn-linux.org #tclug is open for business. Let's test it out and see how many we can get connected. I'll admit it: Although I've wasted many an hour on MUDs, I don't know jack about IRC. So WTF do I need to do to get onto the channel? I assume it has something to do with: /nick -:- BitchX: Your nickname is -:- A nickname change to esper is pending. but the obvious doesn't work: /join #tclug /join -:- You are not on any channels -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 12:38:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .ircrc to help with BitchX Message-ID: <20010727193800.J29553@io.stderr.net> Here's my .ircrc for BitchX: /set user_information Your Name # Turn of something that will annoy quite a few people /set bold_video off /set show_away_once off /set auto_away off /set translation latin_1 /set eight_bit_characters on # I like having a split window # so I create another window (not hidden) /window new # where the lower window is for channels: /window 1 /window level all # and the upper window is where all messages, dcc notices go. /window 2 /window level msgs,dcc,notices,walls,crap /window size -10 # Ctrl-w to change windows /bind ^W next_window # I like timestamps on my everything: /on ^window * /echo [$Z] $1- # and since I'm from Europe I like 24 hour clock /set CLOCK_24HOUR ON # some people are really annoyed with the bold nick completion of bitchx: /set nick_completion_char : /fset nick_comp $0:$1- /fset nick_auto $0:$1- # turn off wallops /mode yournick -w # end -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From markt at logicworksinc.com Fri Jul 27 12:39:26 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition Message-ID: Everyone, I just returned from the Borland Developer Conference in Los Angeles. This year's conference was excellent, as always, and at the conference Borland announced the immediate availability of Kylix Open Edition (http://www.borland.com/about/press/2001/kylix_open.html) which you can download right now from (http://www.borland.com/downloads/). There are a lot of other downloads available from there, as well. We showed Kylix just after its release in April at the Twin Cities Linux Solutions Conference. Many of you may have seen us there at the Borland booth. We are also planning a demonstration of Kylix to the LUG, so there will be an announcement made about the date shortly. Why Kylix? Why do I care? OK, first question first. Because I think anyone using Linux for anything more than running a web browser can make use of Kylix. Kylix is a general purpose programming tool that anyone can become productive with in literally a few minutes. In other words, you can write any kind of compiled executable you want, and do it faster than you could ever before. A beginning programmer can use the component based, graphical IDE to make a simple graphical user interface to manage their CD collection in minutes, but at the same time, an experienced developer can create an email server or a low-level Linux system program with the same kind of productivity and speed benefits. I could go on for a long time about what you can do with Kylix better and faster than other software development tools, but I suggest that you download it, give it a try, and see for yourself that Kylix is revolutionary and there is nothing else like it for writing Linux software. Now, why do I care so much? Have you ever believed 100% in something that other people don't seem to have ever heard about, or if they have heard about it they have received incomplete or false information? Ever feel like if people would JUST GIVE IT A TRY they would understand? Ever used Linux? :) I would like you to know about Kylix and to experience the programming power that Kylix delivers to make your life better and more fun, the same power that I have been helping to unleash since 1994 when I fired up a beta version of Delphi 1.0. I knew from that day that I was working with the best software development tool that had been created and I still feel that way when I fire up Delphi 6 and Kylix. I care because of an uncontrollable and strange love of good technology that I know every Linux user understands. I hope you download Kylix and give it a try. We will see you hopefully in August or soon thereafter at the TCLUG meeting to demonstrate Kylix! -Mark P.S. For those who are interested, we are co-hosting a day-long event with Borland to introduce Borland Delphi 6 and Kylix (free! with lunch!) this August 7th at the Thunderbird Hotel. For more information, and to sign up, visit http://www.borland.com/events/seminars/delphi6_kylix/. If you can't make it during the day, you may be interested in attending the Twin Cities PC User group Delphi 6 and Kylix rollout event in the evening which starts at 7, also at the Thunderbird Hotel. If you have any questions or comments, email the list or if it is something you don't think everyone would like to know about, feel free to email me directly. ============================ Mark Theiste markt@logicworksinc.com Logicworks, Inc. http://www.logicworksinc.com Phone: 952 891 3415 Fax: 952 953 4764 ============================ From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jul 27 12:42:26 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727121649.A29033@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:16:49PM -0500 References: <20010727161226.C29553@io.stderr.net> <20010727112956.C18561@fandre.com> <20010727121649.A29033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010727194225.A35286@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:16:49PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:29:57AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > OK. irc.mn-linux.org #tclug is open for business. Let's test it out and see how many we can get connected. > > I'll admit it: Although I've wasted many an hour on MUDs, I don't know > jack about IRC. > > So WTF do I need to do to get onto the channel? I assume it has something > to do with: > > /nick > -:- BitchX: Your nickname is > -:- A nickname change to esper is pending. > > but the obvious doesn't work: > > /join #tclug > /join try /server irc.openprojects.net # irc.mn-linux.org seems down again :( and then /join #tclug -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From cfandre at fandre.com Fri Jul 27 12:52:59 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727125259.C19024@fandre.com> OK. After a somewhat brief chat session on irc.mn-linux.org, the sparc I+ crapped out. So we are probably going to stick with irc.openprojects.net #tclug as the official TCLUG irc channel. So if you have questions, wanna chat or just want to kill some time, come join in. Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > Quoting Shane Kinney (shane@shell.schulte.org): > > Is there an IRC Channel for the TCLUG? If so what is it? > > irc.mn-linux.org #tclug, but no one uses it. :-) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 27 12:56:57 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: ; from markt@logicworksinc.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:39:26PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010727125657.C29033@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:39:26PM -0500, Mark Theiste wrote: > OK, first question first. Because I think anyone using Linux for anything > more than running a web browser can make use of Kylix. Kylix is a general > purpose programming tool that anyone can become productive with in literally > a few minutes. In other words, you can write any kind of compiled > executable you want, and do it faster than you could ever before. Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if you try not to sound like a marketing flyer. And I'll have to call bullshit on this statement. Like you, I got hooked on Delphi 1.0 real fast and ultimately spent about 2 years programming professionally in Delphi 3 and 4, plus a little C++ Builder. I agree that there's nothing like it for GUI programming. However, are you really claiming that a nice draggy-droppy GUI designer would make writing a UIless daemon faster? Granted, Kylix may now include a solid library of nonvisual classes which already have large parts of the server implemented, but that's the class library helping you out, not Kylix per se, and I'm sure there are similarly handy class libraries for C++ and even classless libraries for old-style C. (I couldn't name any, though, because I'm doing everything in perl these days. I'm just talking about C/C++ because you specified "compiled executable" and I don't want to start a debate about whether perl is compiled or interpreted.) There's also the language barrier. A C guru who hasn't looked at Pascal since freshman CompSci isn't going to be able to kick out code in Kylix nearly as fast as he could with vi and gcc without spending a few months (years?) becoming an Object Pascal guru first. So much for "faster than ever before"... > I suggest > that you download it, give it a try, and see for yourself that Kylix is > revolutionary and there is nothing else like it for writing Linux software. Sure. Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal information into Yet Another Corporate Database? > Now, why do I care so much? Have you ever believed 100% in something that > other people don't seem to have ever heard about, or if they have heard > about it they have received incomplete or false information? Ever feel like > if people would JUST GIVE IT A TRY they would understand? Ever used Linux? Yup. But I don't run up to people on the street, grab them by the collar, and start preaching Linux at them. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:15:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727091557.C6487@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:15:58AM -0500 References: <20010727000619.B20649@real-time.com> <20010727075654.A17460@fandre.com> <20010727085456.A6487@beaver.iucha.org> <20010727160429.B29553@io.stderr.net> <20010727091557.C6487@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010727131538.G25452@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > > Have you enabled identd? (That might be why it's hanging) > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > Bob, Is identd required? Nate setup the irc server. Remember it's only a Sparc 1, so whisper sweet loving things to it and it might work for you. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:20:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20010727132000.I25452@real-time.com> Looks like ircd flaked. I restarted it and it works now. I'm online ready to harrass anyone who joins #tclug. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:23:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727131538.G25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > > > Bob, Is identd required? > > Nate setup the irc server. Remember it's only a Sparc 1, so whisper sweet > loving things to it and it might work for you. Yeah, identd's require.. I'll try to figure out how to turn it off. :) And it's a Sparc 1+ (the + means better!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:28:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: <20010727132000.I25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Looks like ircd flaked. I restarted it and it works now. I'm online ready to > harrass anyone who joins #tclug. ...and I just restarted it to fix some config stuff. can't figure out how to turn identd off, though. :( may work better now.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:40:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Looks like ircd flaked. I restarted it and it works now. I'm online ready to > > harrass anyone who joins #tclug. > > ...and I just restarted it to fix some config stuff. can't figure out how > to turn identd off, though. :( > > may work better now.. Rebooting to try new kernel. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 27 13:44:15 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: <20010727125657.C29033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer. No doubt, I couldn't tell if you were a LUG member or a marketdroid from Borland. Has anyone downloaded it yet? I've wanted to play with this for quite awhile but I dind't have $1,000 to shell out for it. Is there a Win32 version on the way as well? In my little knowledge of Kylix, the whole point was not only to capture the Delphi/C++ Builder UI for linux but also to allow the Delphi/C++ Builder developers to move to Kylix and create truly multi-platform GUI apps. Write an app in Win32 with Kylix, zap your project files to your linux desktop, recompile, and poof, you've ported a GUI driven app in about 5 minutes. At least that's what someone told me. > Sure. Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal > information into Yet Another Corporate Database? If anyone mirrored it please post it so I don't have to join YACD. From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Jul 27 13:45:11 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: good call... On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Looks like ircd flaked. I restarted it and it works now. I'm online ready to > > > harrass anyone who joins #tclug. > > > > ...and I just restarted it to fix some config stuff. can't figure out how > > to turn identd off, though. :( > > > > may work better now.. > > Rebooting to try new kernel. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 27 13:49:28 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:44:15PM -0500 References: <20010727125657.C29033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010727134928.D29033@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:44:15PM -0500, Brian wrote: > No doubt, I couldn't tell if you were a LUG member or a marketdroid from > Borland. Has anyone downloaded it yet? I've wanted to play with this for > quite awhile but I dind't have $1,000 to shell out for it. Is there a > Win32 version on the way as well? Already there. It's called "Delphi". They're supposed to be near-100% source compatible. Or so I've been told. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 13:55:15 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Rebooting to try new kernel. Ugh, this Sparc doesn't like 2.4.4. :( I'll hack on it if/when I get time later.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 27 13:56:14 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: <20010727134928.D29033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Already there. It's called "Delphi". They're supposed to be near-100% > source compatible. Or so I've been told. Woo hoo!! even better! I know a few people who develop in Delphi because it absolutely blows away VB, won't they be happy to hear that they can port to linux in minutes, for free! (beer) :-) From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Jul 27 13:59:33 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cool...good luck. Let the listers know if you get it going! :P On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Rebooting to try new kernel. > > Ugh, this Sparc doesn't like 2.4.4. :( > > I'll hack on it if/when I get time later.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mprocter at mlug.missouri.edu Fri Jul 27 13:59:01 2001 From: mprocter at mlug.missouri.edu (Michael Procter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition References: Message-ID: <3B61B9F5.C51D3CEA@mlug.missouri.edu> Brian wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer. > > No doubt, I couldn't tell if you were a LUG member or a marketdroid from > Borland. Has anyone downloaded it yet? Yes, here's my post to my local LUG: http://mlug.missouri.edu/list-archives/2001-07/msg00554.php3 > I've wanted to play with this for > quite awhile but I dind't have $1,000 to shell out for it. Is there a > Win32 version on the way as well? In my little knowledge of Kylix, the > whole point was not only to capture the Delphi/C++ Builder UI for linux > but also to allow the Delphi/C++ Builder developers to move to Kylix and > create truly multi-platform GUI apps. Write an app in Win32 with Kylix, > zap your project files to your linux desktop, recompile, and poof, you've > ported a GUI driven app in about 5 minutes. > I think Delphi is the Win32 version and you have to have both to be able to produce binaries for both platforms, but if you use the CLX components it's source code compatible. > > At least that's what someone told me. > > > Sure. Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal > > information into Yet Another Corporate Database? > > If anyone mirrored it please post it so I don't have to join YACD. Doubt it would help as it does phone home. I have fond memories of Turbo Pascal but I really feel like for what I need to do (crossplatform clients for small databases) my time and money would probably be better spent with figuring out Python GUI's. -- Michael Procter mprocter@mlug.missouri.edu From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Jul 27 14:00:02 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:28:34PM -0500 References: <20010727132000.I25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727140002.A9664@thor> Not sure if it matters, but the connection is switching from irc.mn-linux.org to irc.real-time.com My connection was hanging for about 10 minutes before it resolved to the real-time server. People may want to try to connect directly to that. On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:28:34PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Looks like ircd flaked. I restarted it and it works now. I'm online ready to > > harrass anyone who joins #tclug. > > ...and I just restarted it to fix some config stuff. can't figure out how > to turn identd off, though. :( > > may work better now.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Jul 27 14:18:47 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition References: Message-ID: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Well I guess this would be a good time to introduce myself to the list. I downloaded Kylix 2 days ago and it installed flawlessly on Redhat 7.1. I have no idea how to use it yet, so a trip to the bookstore is in order this afternoon. I've been using M$ tools for several years and I've been playing with linux for over a year now. So since someone asked for it, I am placing the open source version on my website to grab (the site is new and basically empty)... I imagine borland would frown on this bigtime but then I hate adding my name into corp db's as well. Here's the URL: http://www.northlandstudios.com/kylix_oe.tar.gz enjoy... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: "Tclug List" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer. > > No doubt, I couldn't tell if you were a LUG member or a marketdroid from > Borland. Has anyone downloaded it yet? I've wanted to play with this for > quite awhile but I dind't have $1,000 to shell out for it. Is there a > Win32 version on the way as well? In my little knowledge of Kylix, the > whole point was not only to capture the Delphi/C++ Builder UI for linux > but also to allow the Delphi/C++ Builder developers to move to Kylix and > create truly multi-platform GUI apps. Write an app in Win32 with Kylix, > zap your project files to your linux desktop, recompile, and poof, you've > ported a GUI driven app in about 5 minutes. > > At least that's what someone told me. > > > Sure. Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal > > information into Yet Another Corporate Database? > > If anyone mirrored it please post it so I don't have to join YACD. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 14:17:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:23:09PM -0500 References: <20010727131538.G25452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010727141753.B9521@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > identd? Why would I want identd? > > > > > > Bob, Is identd required? > > > > Nate setup the irc server. Remember it's only a Sparc 1, so whisper sweet > > loving things to it and it might work for you. > > Yeah, identd's require.. I'll try to figure out how to turn it off. :) No prob... I have a dummy identd that gives you bullshit everytime you ask him. Why do you need/use it, btw? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 27 14:26:27 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:55:15PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010727142627.A24472@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 01:55:15PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Rebooting to try new kernel. > > Ugh, this Sparc doesn't like 2.4.4. :( Yeah, the word on the debian-sparc list was that 32 bit Sparc was basically unmaintained for 2.4 kernels till recently. If you're going to try 2.4 on Sparc you're using source from http://vger.samba.org, right? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 14:34:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRC Channel In-Reply-To: <20010727141753.B9521@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > No prob... I have a dummy identd that gives you bullshit everytime you ask him. > > Why do you need/use it, btw? IRC server I'm using requries it by default. Have to recompile to get rid of it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 14:35:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irc.mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: <20010727142627.A24472@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > Yeah, the word on the debian-sparc list was that > 32 bit Sparc was basically unmaintained for 2.4 > kernels till recently. If you're going to try 2.4 > on Sparc you're using source from http://vger.samba.org, > right? I actually applied a couple patches to 2.4.4 that should make it boot fine on any Sparc32 system. I'll try 2.4.2 when I get a chance; that's the last one that works without patches.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 27 14:39:49 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P>; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:18:47PM -0500 References: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <20010727143949.C9521@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:18:47PM -0500, doug wrote: > Well I guess this would be a good time to introduce myself to the list. I > downloaded Kylix 2 days ago and it installed flawlessly on Redhat 7.1. I > have no idea how to use it yet, so a trip to the bookstore is in order this > afternoon. I've been using M$ tools for several years and I've been playing > with linux for over a year now. > > So since someone asked for it, I am placing the open source version on my > website to grab (the site is new and basically empty)... I imagine borland > would frown on this bigtime but then I hate adding my name into corp db's as > well. Here's the URL: > > http://www.northlandstudios.com/kylix_oe.tar.gz > Don't you need a key to run it? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Jul 27 15:28:18 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition References: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> <20010727143949.C9521@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B61CEE2.5040409@northlandstudios.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010727/be4943c1/attachment.html From markt at logicworksinc.com Fri Jul 27 15:28:50 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: <20010727125657.C29033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave, > are you really claiming that a nice draggy-droppy GUI designer > would make writing a UIless daemon faster? Yes. Here is the code for a sample daemon. Feel free to copy, paste, try. Note that Libc.pas wraps an enormous number of glibc functions for you to call directly in your code. Anything Borland has not wrapped, you can do in a matter of seconds. program Project1; {$APPTYPE CONSOLE} uses SysUtils, Libc; var pid : pid_t; begin Writeln (?Sample Daemon?); pid := fork (); if (pid = 0) then begin { Perform Daemon processing} exit; end; Writeln (?Created daemon: pid=?, pid); end. Was that simple, or what? The GUI designer is just one aspect of Kylix. Most of the application development I did over the last year with Delphi was web server application development. The server version of Kylix allows you to create Apache shared objects in literally a couple of clicks. Note that the Apache support is identical in Delphi so you can create cross-platform Apache apps. > Granted, Kylix may now include > a solid library of nonvisual classes which already have large parts of the > server implemented, but that's the class library helping you out, > not Kylix > per se, and I'm sure there are similarly handy class libraries for C++ and > even classless libraries for old-style C. (I couldn't name any, though, > because I'm doing everything in perl these days. I'm just talking about > C/C++ because you specified "compiled executable" and I don't want to > start a debate about whether perl is compiled or interpreted.) The class library included with Kylix is called CLX. As I said before Kylix is not just a GUI designer. The CLX library is not separate from Kylix but it is part of Kylix, and written with Kylix. Note that CLX is also included with Delphi. At the LUG demo we will show you that with CLX you can create single source applications for Linux and Windows. In other words you create your program with Kylix on Linux, transfer it to Windows, compile, and presto -- your program is running on Windows. Of course, this also works the other way: create your application on Windows and have it running on Linux in seconds without changing anything. This true cross-platform application development with CLX is on its way to Solaris and there is talk of moving CLX to Macintosh, as well. Theoretically, there is no limit to the platform choices. Also there is a HUGE third party market for Delphi components, and many of those vendors have already created Kylix versions of their components. The Open Source market for Kylix components is emerging quickly and also promises to become huge. > There's also the language barrier. A C guru who hasn't looked at > Pascal since freshman CompSci isn't going to be able to kick out code in > Kylix nearly as fast as he could with vi and gcc without spending a few > months (years?) becoming an Object Pascal guru first. So much for > "faster than ever before"... If you have a favorite C or C++ library, why not just use it in Kylix? There is nothing stopping you. Maybe you want your core application logic to be written in C++, and hook it into Kylix to write the user interface. If more people did that, maybe people would complain less that there aren't enough usable Linux applications. Developers are also in the process of porting their Windows applications to Linux with Kylix so that should also help with the problem of too few Linux applications. Also, if you love C++ you will be happy to know that C++Builder is coming to Linux soon. The original plan was to have Kylix support both Pascal and C++ in the same IDE, but at this point C++Builder for Linux may be a separate product. Regardless, it will basically be Kylix, only with C++ syntax. I guess if you don't like Pascal or C++, there is JBuilder(Java) which has been available for Linux for quite a while now. Also remember that Kylix has an IDE with editor, compiler, linker, and debugger all in one unlike other Linux programming tools. This has a huge advantage over command line tools and other tools with limited or no debugging facilities. Integrated, graphical debugging will save you a ton of time. Kylix might not be right for you. That is for you to decide. I think that an objective person can see that Kylix is an excellent software development tool. Even if you don't use it but someone else does and writes an application that furthers the acceptance of Linux, isn't that a good thing? > Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal > information into Yet Another Corporate Database? You could ask one of the brave people who gave honest information to Borland to burn you a copy although I am sure there are a number of sneaky and frightened people who just lied about who they are and downloaded a copy. Kylix Open Edition is entirely free. Borland is a good company, and their only reason for existence is to help software developers get their jobs done, wherever they are working and with whatever technologies they are using. By giving Borland your name you help them support you better in your development efforts. > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer...I don't run up to people on the street, grab them by the > collar, and start preaching Linux at them. I did not know that is how I sound. I am a programmer by trade, but some people have argued that Borland needs better marketing so I take this as a complement since it has caused you to at least take the time to respond. What I'm telling you comes from the heart and it is the truth. As for preaching, I am a pastor's kid (PK) so it is probably biological and I can do nothing about that either! :) Mark From markt at logicworksinc.com Fri Jul 27 15:32:50 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian, Please see my follow-up post to Dave. The Win32 version has been available for a long time. It started as Borland Pascal and is called Delphi. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:44 PM > To: Tclug List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer. > > No doubt, I couldn't tell if you were a LUG member or a marketdroid from > Borland. Has anyone downloaded it yet? I've wanted to play with this for > quite awhile but I dind't have $1,000 to shell out for it. Is there a > Win32 version on the way as well? In my little knowledge of Kylix, the > whole point was not only to capture the Delphi/C++ Builder UI for linux > but also to allow the Delphi/C++ Builder developers to move to Kylix and > create truly multi-platform GUI apps. Write an app in Win32 with Kylix, > zap your project files to your linux desktop, recompile, and poof, you've > ported a GUI driven app in about 5 minutes. > > At least that's what someone told me. > > > Sure. Is there anywhere I can get it without having to put my personal > > information into Yet Another Corporate Database? > > If anyone mirrored it please post it so I don't have to join YACD. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mprocter at mlug.missouri.edu Fri Jul 27 15:43:03 2001 From: mprocter at mlug.missouri.edu (Michael Procter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition References: Message-ID: <3B61D257.572CC287@mlug.missouri.edu> > > > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer...I don't run up to people on > the street, grab them by the > > collar, and start preaching Linux at them. > > I did not know that is how I sound. I am a programmer by trade, but some > people have argued that Borland needs better marketing so I take this as a > complement since it has caused you to at least take the time to respond. > What I'm telling you comes from the heart and it is the truth. As for > preaching, I am a pastor's kid (PK) so it is probably biological and I can > do nothing about that either! :) > > So you don't work for these folks who sell Borland training, etc.? http://logicworksinc.com/ -- Michael Procter mprocter@mlug.missouri.edu From markt at logicworksinc.com Fri Jul 27 15:54:23 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition In-Reply-To: <3B61D257.572CC287@mlug.missouri.edu> Message-ID: I own the company. Even pastor's kids need jobs :) Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Procter > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition > > > > > > > > Somehow I suspect that you'll get a better response from this group if > > > you try not to sound like a marketing flyer...I don't run up > to people on > > the street, grab them by the > > > collar, and start preaching Linux at them. > > > > I did not know that is how I sound. I am a programmer by > trade, but some > > people have argued that Borland needs better marketing so I > take this as a > > complement since it has caused you to at least take the time to respond. > > What I'm telling you comes from the heart and it is the truth. As for > > preaching, I am a pastor's kid (PK) so it is probably > biological and I can > > do nothing about that either! :) > > > > > > So you don't work for these folks who sell Borland training, etc.? > > http://logicworksinc.com/ > > -- > Michael Procter > mprocter@mlug.missouri.edu > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Jul 27 16:13:27 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition Message-ID: What the heck, I'll toss my two-cents in.... BTW, in the interest of full-disclosure, my company is cohosting the D6/K event on August 7, and co-showing Kylix at TCLUG sometime soon. Also, I'm looking at the posts via digest, so some this may have already been answered. AFAIK, the only place you can download Kylix is from Borland. You didn't hear it from me, but if you don't want to add your name to YACD, you could always..... Doesn't everybody? If you want to mirror it, go ahead. But don't come crying to me if everybody hits your server. UI-less daemons faster? Maybe, maybe not. Just like any quality development tool, it has an extensive library. But UI-less daemons isn't really the point of Kylix--it's about building GUI applications, data base access (the more the merrier), and web server plug-ins faster than ever before. The language barrier. C, C++, Python, Perl, make, CORBA IDL, Java, JavaScript, HTML, vi, emacs, etc., etc. Why not toss in a little Object Pascal if Kylix will help you get your software out the door even faster? (BTW, there are plans to release a C++ edition of Kylix.) Yes, tons of people are downloading it..... As soon as the announcement hit, Borland's servers were quite busy. It may take a few tries to download it successfully. If you want to try any of the Apache stuff, you'll need to download the Enterprise Trial edition. If you don't care for the Apache and "enterprise" DB stuff, and want to build non-GPL software, buy Kylix Desktop from Mark (Logicworks) for less than $199. (Yeah, shameless plug.) Win2K version? Delphi 6. Been out for a while. Keep in mind, though, that Kylix was based on Delphi 5, so some of the nifty new features in D6 are not present in Kylix. Build on Win2K or Linux, and compile on the other? Yes. However, you will need both Kylix and Delphi 6. Lee Behrens From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 27 18:33:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla http pipelining Message-ID: <20010727183302.A9730@real-time.com> What does http pipeling do in mozilla? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Sat Jul 28 01:25:47 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla http pipelining In-Reply-To: <20010727183302.A9730@real-time.com> References: <20010727183302.A9730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01072801254700.13214@friday.tarsk.com> I cant say for sure, but assuming they are using the term the same as in computer hardware, it would mean something along the lines of it downloading the next set of links of the page you are on. That way they are pre-downloaded and cached to view. Just a guess Jay On Friday 27 July 2001 6:33 pm, you wrote: > What does http pipeling do in mozilla? -- Jay Kline slushpupie@iexposure.com http://www.slushpupie.com Robot, n.: University administrator. From eng at pinenet.com Sat Jul 28 03:06:36 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition@4.sdm(Thanks) In-Reply-To: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> References: <003101c116d1$396a2c80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <20010728.8063600@linwin.mshome.net> Sounds like what I've been looking for for a long time. I've tried the "Code-Forge" IDE, which is simple and very nice. But I desperately want to avoid C/C++ based languages. This might fill a gap between the macro and scripting languages, and the core C/C++ system languages. Anybody ever try properly register a legit copy of M$ Visual C++ 6 ?? A mortgage application is easier. Borland can't be as bad as M$. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/27/01, 2:18:47 PM, "doug" wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition@4.sdm: > Well I guess this would be a good time to introduce myself to the list. I > downloaded Kylix 2 days ago and it installed flawlessly on Redhat 7.1. I > have no idea how to use it yet, so a trip to the bookstore is in order this > afternoon. I've been using M$ tools for several years and I've been playing > with linux for over a year now. > So since someone asked for it, I am placing the open source version on my > website to grab (the site is new and basically empty)... I imagine borland > would frown on this bigtime but then I hate adding my name into corp db's as > well. Here's the URL: > http://www.northlandstudios.com/kylix_oe.tar.gz > enjoy... > Doug > From cfandre at fandre.com Sat Jul 28 09:26:47 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .ircrc to help with BitchX In-Reply-To: <20010727193800.J29553@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> You care to give us newbies a quick intro to BitchX? Thomas Eibner [thomas@stderr.net] wrote: > Here's my .ircrc for BitchX: > /set user_information Your Name > # Turn of something that will annoy quite a few people > /set bold_video off > /set show_away_once off > /set auto_away off > /set translation latin_1 > /set eight_bit_characters on > # I like having a split window > # so I create another window (not hidden) > /window new > # where the lower window is for channels: > /window 1 > /window level all > # and the upper window is where all messages, dcc notices go. > /window 2 > /window level msgs,dcc,notices,walls,crap > /window size -10 > # Ctrl-w to change windows > /bind ^W next_window > # I like timestamps on my everything: > /on ^window * /echo [$Z] $1- > # and since I'm from Europe I like 24 hour clock > /set CLOCK_24HOUR ON > # some people are really annoyed with the bold nick completion of bitchx: > /set nick_completion_char : > /fset nick_comp $0:$1- > /fset nick_auto $0:$1- > # turn off wallops > /mode yournick -w > # end > > -- > H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 > v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU > pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE > jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at getbent.net Sat Jul 28 11:43:15 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> Hi there. I make my living bouncing around the Twin Cities setting up companies (5-100) users with networks and servers and the like. As such I have begrudgingly only offered up support for Microsoft products, with the exceptions of SNAP servers, firewalls, etc. etc. For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as exchange. Calendar Sharing, contact management, email, task lists... I haven't found a lot of products out there that meet that criteria. I'll continue to peek around Freshmeat but any place you all can point me would be greatly appreciated. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Jul 28 11:52:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <01072811431500.00923@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500 References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010728115231.A10585@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > >Calendar Sharing, contact management, email, task lists... I haven't found >a lot of products out there that meet that criteria. > >I'll continue to peek around Freshmeat but any place you all can point me >would be greatly appreciated. > When you find one. Let us all know. I too have windows users and would like to be able to provide this service. We've essentially decided to beta test a product called ScheduleOnline. It's commercial I believe but who cares. There isn't any open sores (hehe) ones we liked. I don't have a URL for this product but when I see my web developer I'll ask him. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010728/f1c13dd7/attachment.pgp From dave at droyer.org Sat Jul 28 11:59:22 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> Message-ID: Well, evolution from ximian helps with quite a few of those features. Unfortunately calendar sharing is not there but I'd suggest you take a look at it. Especially with beta 1 (aka evolution ver .11) out, the functionality is there and most of the annoying little "we'll fix it later" bugs are gone. Just my $.02 Dave Royer On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Hi there. I make my living bouncing around the Twin Cities setting up > companies (5-100) users with networks and servers and the like. > > As such I have begrudgingly only offered up support for Microsoft products, > with the exceptions of SNAP servers, firewalls, etc. etc. > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as > exchange. > > Calendar Sharing, contact management, email, task lists... I haven't found > a lot of products out there that meet that criteria. > > I'll continue to peek around Freshmeat but any place you all can point me > would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Jul 28 12:09:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <20010728115231.A10585@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010728120901.J23431@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010728 11:53]: > like to be able to provide this service. We've essentially decided to > beta test a product called ScheduleOnline. It's commercial I believe but > who cares. There isn't any open sores (hehe) ones we liked. I'm thinking of getting the uber-upgrade to my palm IIIe (8mb of ram and 2mb of flas with OS 3.5) and using mypalm's calandering services. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Jul 28 12:11:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83D4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Apparently, once Aethera from thekompany.com is released non-beta, they are planning on making a groupware server platform for it which has the functionality of exchange or notes (without the crashing :). Nothing has been released yet though. Also, I believe there is a port of Aethera to windows. Last I tried it, it was buggy, but it's been a few months. Jay -----Original Message----- From: David Royer [mailto:dave@droyer.org] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:59 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? Well, evolution from ximian helps with quite a few of those features. Unfortunately calendar sharing is not there but I'd suggest you take a look at it. Especially with beta 1 (aka evolution ver .11) out, the functionality is there and most of the annoying little "we'll fix it later" bugs are gone. Just my $.02 Dave Royer On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Hi there. I make my living bouncing around the Twin Cities setting up > companies (5-100) users with networks and servers and the like. > > As such I have begrudgingly only offered up support for Microsoft products, > with the exceptions of SNAP servers, firewalls, etc. etc. > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as > exchange. > > Calendar Sharing, contact management, email, task lists... I haven't found > a lot of products out there that meet that criteria. > > I'll continue to peek around Freshmeat but any place you all can point me > would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Sat Jul 28 12:39:24 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <01072811431500.00923@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500 References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010728123924.A7847@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as > exchange. I just saw a presentation last night about phpGroupware. They just released 0.12 which they did extensive QA work on. It has shared calendaring, email, addressbook, todo, etc. They have a total of 25 stable applications that run on phpGroupware. It currently supports MySQL and PostgreSQL as the backend. He said that a P233 should be able to handle a small office of about 50 people. Nate From lbehrens at boolion.com Sat Jul 28 14:15:45 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] Kylix Open Edition@4.sdm(Thanks) Message-ID: > Anybody ever try properly register a legit copy of M$ Visual C++ 6 ?? A > mortgage application is easier. Borland can't be as bad as M$. Anybody every try to get rid of it (M$ Visual Anything) without totally wiping your system? ;) Lee Behrens From lbehrens at boolion.com Sat Jul 28 14:19:16 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? Message-ID: Yeah! I'd like to find one, too. I thought HP had one (OpenView???), maybe even with source available. Lee Behrens From shorejsi at skypoint.com Sat Jul 28 15:11:28 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> Message-ID: <3B631C70.8020406@skypoint.com> If it doesn't absolutely have to be Open Source / Free Software, take a look at http://www.bynari.com Their Insight product is reasonable, reliable, runs on Linux / UNIX and interoperates with Outlook and a whole bunch of other things. Does everything Exchange does but costs lots less and runs on Linux. I have no affiliation to Bynari, just like their products... -=[ Steve ]=- Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hi there. I make my living bouncing around the Twin Cities setting up > companies (5-100) users with networks and servers and the like. > > As such I have begrudgingly only offered up support for Microsoft products, > with the exceptions of SNAP servers, firewalls, etc. etc. > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as > exchange. > > Calendar Sharing, contact management, email, task lists... I haven't found > a lot of products out there that meet that criteria. > > I'll continue to peek around Freshmeat but any place you all can point me > would be greatly appreciated. From cfandre at fandre.com Sat Jul 28 15:35:48 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010728153546.D24606@fandre.com> Openview is HP's package for monitoring system health . Their mail app was called HP OpenMail. Unfortunatly they are no longer doing any developing on it and will not make it open source. We can all blame M$ for that. Lee J. Behrens [lbehrens@boolion.com] wrote: > Yeah! I'd like to find one, too. > > I thought HP had one (OpenView???), maybe even with source available. > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Jul 28 16:12:36 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <20010728123924.A7847@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> <20010728123924.A7847@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01072816123600.02370@geezer> As a someone who used to be a Notes developer I'm always looking at these things. I looked at PHP groupware a few months back and was impressed with its potential at that time. I found it difficult to get working with PostgreSQL though. As one of the local Zopistas I'll mention WorldPilot. Its nominally an IMAP client and Calendar that runs as a Zope product. I don't know if they've done anything with it in a while. Its listed on SourceForge. Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use freely in small installations (less than 250 users) but I can't remember the name of it. I do remember finding via freshmeat. So a look there under IMAP and or groupware might turn it up. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com On Saturday 28 July 2001 12:39, you wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality > > as exchange. > > I just saw a presentation last night about phpGroupware. They just > released 0.12 which they did extensive QA work on. It has shared > calendaring, email, addressbook, todo, etc. They have a total of 25 > stable applications that run on phpGroupware. It currently supports > MySQL and PostgreSQL as the backend. He said that a P233 should be able > to handle a small office of about 50 people. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Sat Jul 28 16:56:39 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Misuse of libraries? Message-ID: <004601c117b0$2dfe2d80$0500000a@localdomain> I'm building a library for a client who has some proprietary algorithms in their code that they'd like to keep safe. To this end, they're using a license manager library that only allows you to use the library on a licensed machine. I realise this kind of security is no good against people really interested in stealing the library, and they know this, but it's better than nothing. What I was interested in was whether or not it's possible to call unadvertised library functions. Libraries are sort of just archived object files, right? If I had an internal function called "int foo()" in the library, and someone created a fake header with an "extern int foo();", would they be able to access this function? So far, I haven't been able to get that to work, but I'm not sure if it's because I'm doing something wrong or because there's some reason why it doesn't work. Thanks in advance, David From esper at sherohman.org Sat Jul 28 17:34:08 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Misuse of libraries? In-Reply-To: <004601c117b0$2dfe2d80$0500000a@localdomain>; from dchristian@users.sourceforge.net on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 04:56:39PM -0500 References: <004601c117b0$2dfe2d80$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: <20010728173407.B2839@sherohman.org> On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 04:56:39PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > What I was interested in was whether or not it's possible to call > unadvertised library functions. Libraries are sort of just archived object > files, right? If I had an internal function called "int foo()" in the > library, and someone created a fake header with an "extern int foo();", > would they be able to access this function? So far, I haven't been able to > get that to work, but I'm not sure if it's because I'm doing something wrong > or because there's some reason why it doesn't work. Like you said about the license manager, a sufficiently determined person could get access to the function. It would require some heavy black magic, though, because the library doesn't advertise that foo exists and if you ask it where to find the function, it won't be able (or willing) to tell you. In theory, at least, you could set up some code to inspect the library's binary for foo's entry point and then jumping directly to that address after setting up the stack appropriately. (OK, it's not quite that hard to call the function once you've found it, since you could use a function pointer to get the compiler to handle the stack for you. But finding it is the hard part anyhow.) This would also be version specific. Since you're not using normal channels to get the function's address, you'll have to find it again every time the source code or compiler settings are changed. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dchristian at users.sourceforge.net Sat Jul 28 18:26:45 2001 From: dchristian at users.sourceforge.net (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Misuse of libraries? Message-ID: <20010728182645.B1130@localhost.localdomain> Okay, but I'd really like to have a better understanding...is there somewhere I can go to get a good explanation of library format? I looked for some docs on ELF, but I couldn't find anything technical. Can you tell me *why* I can't get to a function that is listed as being global, just because the header file it is listed in is not given to the client? Thanks, David > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 04:56:39PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > > What I was interested in was whether or not it's possible to call > > unadvertised library functions. Libraries are sort of just archived object > > files, right? If I had an internal function called "int foo()" in the > > library, and someone created a fake header with an "extern int foo();", > > would they be able to access this function? So far, I haven't been able to > > get that to work, but I'm not sure if it's because I'm doing something wrong > > or because there's some reason why it doesn't work. > > Like you said about the license manager, a sufficiently determined > person could get access to the function. It would require some heavy > black magic, though, because the library doesn't advertise that foo > exists and if you ask it where to find the function, it won't be able > (or willing) to tell you. > > In theory, at least, you could set up some code to inspect the library's > binary for foo's entry point and then jumping directly to that address > after setting up the stack appropriately. (OK, it's not quite that > hard to call the function once you've found it, since you could use > a function pointer to get the compiler to handle the stack for you. > But finding it is the hard part anyhow.) > > This would also be version specific. Since you're not using normal > channels to get the function's address, you'll have to find it again > every time the source code or compiler settings are changed. > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Sun Jul 29 10:54:58 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Misuse of libraries? In-Reply-To: <20010728182645.B1130@localhost.localdomain>; from dchristian@users.sourceforge.net on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 06:26:45PM -0500 References: <20010728182645.B1130@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010729105458.A17442@sherohman.org> On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 06:26:45PM -0500, David Christian wrote: > Okay, but I'd really like to have a better understanding...is there > somewhere I can go to get a good explanation of library format? I > looked for some docs on ELF, but I couldn't find anything technical. > Can you tell me *why* I can't get to a function that is listed as being > global, just because the header file it is listed in is not given to the > client? Dynamically linked libraries[1] (.DLL, .so) contain a table at the start of the file with the addresses of all exported functions. ("Exported", in this case, meaning "made available to the public".) A program that uses the function foo() loads the library, searches that table for a function named foo(), and sees that it's at offset 0xDEADBEEF from the start of the library. Pretty easy. Non-exported functions (even if global to the library) aren't in that table. If you want to call them, you have to scan through the compiled code to find them. To make matters worse, if the library doesn't contain debugging information, it probably doesn't even contain the string "foo", so you'll have to use some other method of identifying the code which belongs to that function. The version-specificity comes in because changing the libraries code is likely to move the function's entry point around (if function bar() is physically located closer to the start of the library's code than foo() and it grows by a byte, foo() will then start at 0xDEADBEF0[2] and jumping to 0xDEADBEEF will probably do Something Bad.) Changing the complier settings will probably make entry points shift by larger amounts even if the source itself isn't changed. When the function moves around, you've got it easy if it's exported, because the function table will be updated and you'll get the new address the next time you look it up. That's why the table is there. But if it's not exported, you need to dig out the new entry point from scratch. Disclaimer that I forgot to include last time: I'm not an expert on library architecture and I don't have any reference materials to verify this information against, but it is a topic that I've brushed up against several times. This is my understanding of it and it makes enough sense that it's how I would do things if I had to build an interface of this type from scratch myself. However, some of the details may not be 100% accurate. If anyone spots inaccuracies, I'd love to have them pointed out. [1] All of this is essentially true for statically-linked libraries, but private function access is a little simpler in that case because of two things: 1) A human is available to inspect the library for the function's entry point. Doing this manually isn't likely to be easy (unless the library contains sufficient debugging information), but it's not nearly as hard as writing code to do it without human intervention. 2) You know that the library will always be the same version as you built it against, while dynamic libs can change to a new version when you aren't looking. [2] Since the addresses are obviously bogus, I'm ignoring alignment issues. In the real world, the entry points would probably be aligned on dword (4 byte) boundaries. But the principle remains the same. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Jul 29 12:29:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83D8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use >freely in small installations Cult of the Dead Cow? Makers of fine network security products... :) -----Original Message----- From: Jack Ungerleider [mailto:jack@jacku.com] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 4:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? As a someone who used to be a Notes developer I'm always looking at these things. I looked at PHP groupware a few months back and was impressed with its potential at that time. I found it difficult to get working with PostgreSQL though. As one of the local Zopistas I'll mention WorldPilot. Its nominally an IMAP client and Calendar that runs as a Zope product. I don't know if they've done anything with it in a while. Its listed on SourceForge. Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use freely in small installations (less than 250 users) but I can't remember the name of it. I do remember finding via freshmeat. So a look there under IMAP and or groupware might turn it up. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com On Saturday 28 July 2001 12:39, you wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality > > as exchange. > > I just saw a presentation last night about phpGroupware. They just > released 0.12 which they did extensive QA work on. It has shared > calendaring, email, addressbook, todo, etc. They have a total of 25 > stable applications that run on phpGroupware. It currently supports > MySQL and PostgreSQL as the backend. He said that a P233 should be able > to handle a small office of about 50 people. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jul 29 17:44:29 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <20010728123924.A7847@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:39:24PM -0500 References: <20010728092645.A24606@fandre.com> <01072811431500.00923@Dingo> <20010728123924.A7847@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010729174429.B2075@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:39:24PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: >On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: >> For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able >> to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality as >> exchange. We tried that for a while. Noone liked it. It was an older version. > >I just saw a presentation last night about phpGroupware. They just >released 0.12 which they did extensive QA work on. It has shared >calendaring, email, addressbook, todo, etc. They have a total of 25 >stable applications that run on phpGroupware. It currently supports >MySQL and PostgreSQL as the backend. He said that a P233 should be able >to handle a small office of about 50 people. > >Nate >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010729/8d72138b/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Sun Jul 29 17:47:18 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83D8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83D8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01072917471800.04359@geezer> I'm sorry its not CDC any more its Syntegra. ;-) Anyway the product is called IntraStore and can be found here: http://intrastore.us.syntegra.com/www/ You can still download the Linux Server for up to 250 users free of charge. I remember liking what I saw in this. At the time I needed to support over 300 mailboxes and the cost once you pass the 250 limit was around $700 and that was more than we had to work with. (It was while I was at Duluth Business University). Jack On Sunday 29 July 2001 12:29, you wrote: > > Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use > >freely in small installations > > Cult of the Dead Cow? Makers of fine network security products... :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Ungerleider [mailto:jack@jacku.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 4:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? > > As a someone who used to be a Notes developer I'm always looking at these > things. I looked at PHP groupware a few months back and was impressed with > its potential at that time. I found it difficult to get working with > PostgreSQL though. > > As one of the local Zopistas I'll mention WorldPilot. Its nominally an IMAP > client and Calendar that runs as a Zope product. I don't know if they've > done > anything with it in a while. Its listed on SourceForge. > > Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use freely > in small installations (less than 250 users) but I can't remember the name > of > it. I do remember finding via freshmeat. So a look there under IMAP and or > groupware might turn it up. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From john at mn.mediaone.net Sun Jul 29 18:51:50 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Message-ID: I have added a Caldera box to my little home network. I can ping all the other boxes but when I try to get out to the internet, I can't. Would anyone lend a helping hand... here is my route table on the Caldera system route -n Destination Gateway Genmask Flags 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U I have a hosts file which is identical to the gateway system (the gateway is a RH 7.0) The resolve.conf file on the Caldera system is: search mn.mediaone.net mediaone.net nameserver 24.31.3.8 nameserver 24.31.3.9 TIA John Miller From nate at techie.com Sun Jul 29 19:19:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 06:51:50PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010729191905.A27928@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 06:51:50PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I have added a Caldera box to my little home network. I can ping all the > other boxes but when I try to get out to the internet, I can't. Would > anyone lend a helping hand... here is my route table on the Caldera system > > route -n > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U You need a line like: 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG Which is created by: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 where 192.168.0.1 is replaced by the IP address of your gateway machine. On your gateway, you'll have the default gateway set to the IP address of the upstream router. Nate From john at mn.mediaone.net Sun Jul 29 20:21:21 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking In-Reply-To: <20010729191905.A27928@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: That is the solution, Thanks Nate On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 06:51:50PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > > I have added a Caldera box to my little home network. I can ping all the > > other boxes but when I try to get out to the internet, I can't. Would > > anyone lend a helping hand... here is my route table on the Caldera system > > > > route -n > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags > > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U > > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U > > You need a line like: > > 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG > > Which is created by: > > route add default gw 192.168.0.1 > > where 192.168.0.1 is replaced by the IP address of your gateway machine. > On your gateway, you'll have the default gateway set to the IP address > of the upstream router. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Jul 29 22:24:55 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php printf format question Message-ID: This should be simple. I want to print numbers with 2 digits in php: ie: 00 01 02 ... 09 10 11 in php I've got for $i=1;$i<=99;$i++{ printf ("%2d", $i); } but I get 1 2 3 ... 9 10 How can I make it print the leading 0's on the 1-9? Thanks, Ben From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Sun Jul 29 23:17:42 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php printf format question Message-ID: you could try an if statement, if $i is less than 9 print '0' first. -munir >>> Ben Luey 07/29/01 22:41 PM >>> This should be simple. I want to print numbers with 2 digits in php: ie: 00 01 02 ... 09 10 11 in php I've got for $i=1;$i<=99;$i++{ printf ("%2d", $i); } but I get 1 2 3 ... 9 10 How can I make it print the leading 0's on the 1-9? Thanks, Ben _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Mon Jul 30 00:13:48 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php printf format question In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 10:24:55PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010730071348.D46189@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 10:24:55PM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > How can I make it print the leading 0's on the 1-9? If it's anything like perl's or C's printf (which you would assume it was): "%02d" man sprintf on the format: 0 The value should be zero padded. For d, i, o, u, x, X, a, A, e, E, f, F, g, and G conversions, the converted value is padded on the left with zeros rather than blanks. If the 0 and - flags both appear, the 0 flag is ignored. If a preci- sion is given with a numeric conversion (d, i, o, u, x, and X), the 0 flag is ignored. For other conversions, the behav- ior is undefined. -- H4sIANVjVzsAA+3QS2rDMBCAYa99irlALY/jB5TiVXuDrLIJLhKJKZGCpGx6+uZFSTfZhRL4 v82MZgahkQ35Jc0bP+VDdMVjaF33bSuFiA6dXmN9ihc6qMiwaLq+11aPuTadNoXUD3rPH4eU pyhS5G3YTenenIt32s9KZHleXD7mT++ivG1z3r8ac/mOyp2rlf0yo7z7tAre/Y5Yn76P5yrE jRlLkV2w632Yfb65JmXrYqy8y+amPUpZ/vfiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPDkfgDIhI/FACgAAA== From cargods at storage.network.com Mon Jul 30 08:40:52 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3Com 3c509B in PnP mode Message-ID: <200107301340.IAA09070@rainier.network.com> I just thought I would provide some closure on my 3c509b saga. I think that if that had been an initial install, current software would have successfully handled the card. Apparently the new 3c509 module can cope with the card in PnP mode. There were two things I had to do. I examined my isapnp.conf and saw that the SoundBlaster card was using the 3c509's default io ports. Looking at output from pnpdump and comparing it with isapnp.conf showed what the parameters were. I also checked the Windows Device Manager Hardware Profiles and Resources, where I found some alternatives to the current Linux settings. I was able to change isapnp.conf to use the alternative addresses. The second change I made was to use linuxconf to set the interrupt and ioport for the 3c509 module, which was added to modules.conf. (I did notice that despite what was in modules.conf the contents of /proc/ioports did not match what was in modules.conf.) The net result is that I can now do "insmod 3c509" and "ifup eth0" and get my Linux box to talk to the DSL modem and out to the internet. Thank you all for your advice. dsc From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 30 10:15:38 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail Virtual pop accounts Message-ID: I am trying to set up virtual pop accounts using Qmail. I know there are several ways of doing this, but the way I went with is outlined at http://www.pgregg.com/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.php I am not very familiar with Qmail, and cant seem to find any decent documentation really explaining everything. There is a file /var/qmail/users/assign that I am not really sure of the syntax and all the fields. According to the howto mentioned above, I should be able to do a line like this: =slushpupie-com-list:popuser:101:101:/var/qmail/popboxes/slushpupie-com/slushpupie -list::: which means all incoming mail addressed to list@slushpupie.com will use /var/qmail/popboxes/slushpupie-com/slushpupie-list/.qmail to decide how to deliver the mail In that file I have just the line ./Maildir/ and in that directory I have a Maildir directory. All is owned by popuser (UID=101). However, when I send mail to list@slushpupie.com (using that test mail server for the SMTP server) the message doesn't seem to go anywhere. I check the logs and it seems to be receiving the message ok. Then there is the POP authentication, I am using the method described in the howto (only I am using the Jedi checklocalpwd program, not his modified one (for whatever reason, his didn't do the logging he says it does). When I telnet to port 110, here is what happens: dogbert:/$ telnet localhost 110 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to dogbert. Escape character is '^]'. +OK <4594.996505155@dogbert.slushpupie.com.slushpupie.com> user slushpupie-list +OK pass password -ERR unable to scan $HOME/Maildir Connection closed by foreign host. dogbert:/$ I am sure the password is correct, because I get an authentication error if I use something else. So What is happening here? Thanks, Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Mon Jul 30 12:30:59 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gvim Message-ID: <3B6599D3.838BE3ED@mn.mediaone.net> Hello, I just upgraded to XFree86 4.0 and now my gvim key mapping for the " is now a ? , any ideas why or where the config would be doing this? I do have a .vimrc file in my home dir, but it has 3 entries: set tabstop=4 set shiftwidth=4 set expandtab Thanks, Erick From scott.w.fischer at att.net Mon Jul 30 14:40:53 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? Message-ID: <20010730194053.WTLJ12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? It seems extraordinarily quiet today. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 30 15:08:43 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? In-Reply-To: <20010730194053.WTLJ12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: I know.. not even so much as a sny comment on my Qmail post. Slow Monday? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of scott.w.fischer@att.net Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? It seems extraordinarily quiet today. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shane at shell.schulte.org Mon Jul 30 15:09:14 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? In-Reply-To: <20010730194053.WTLJ12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: I think so...that would be cool. Is there a meeting this upcomming saturday? On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? It seems extraordinarily quiet today. > > -swf > > -- > "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 30 15:13:06 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:09:14PM -0500 References: <20010730194053.WTLJ12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20010730151306.A11541@thor> Everybody is playing with the new toy :: IRC According to the website, the next meeting is July 14, so you may have to wait awhile :) On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:09:14PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > I think so...that would be cool. Is there a meeting this upcomming > saturday? > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > > My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? It seems extraordinarily quiet today. > > > > -swf > > > > -- > > "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From fertch at mninter.net Mon Jul 30 15:50:37 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issues - rant Message-ID: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> Okay, I know this isn't exactly the place for this but I gotta vent... A couple of weeks ago, I thought I'd do something good and add some RAM to my Athlon box (1GHz processor, Biostar MK7VB board, 256MB ram in it already, 45 GB disk, 250W power supply), and upgrade the power supply to support the cooling fans I bought. So... at $30 a simm for 256MB Micron memory, I bought two and also a 300W ps. The RAM I bought is Micron PC133 256MB sticks, which matches what's in there already. I put them in, so now I'm totalling 768MB ram and the friggin' box pukes... Win98se has no clue what to do with that much ram. It goes into BSOD's and other glorious things. I reload, and reseat the simms. Win98se locks up still, no BSOD's. Winme same thing. About the closest that I can get to good gaming performance is in Win2k on "some" games. 3D games lock up, won't install, don't display properly, etc. Basically, it can't swallow the pill and be bigger and beefier. Then, I find out that there's major incompatibility issues between the video card and the Via chipset (Annihalator 2/geforce2 card and VIA KT133 chipset). Creative won't acknowledge this, and refuses to send me the info I'm requesting, yet it's on their readme.txt that I have yet to find on my system. I've got the latest bios upgrade, 4 in 1 drivers for VIA, video and sound drivers. At best I can get some Win games that don't lock up. the RAM seems good, it' counts and linux even sees it and recognizes all of it. Good news is that Linux (Slack 8) just kept on ticking even with a smaller than supposed to be swap file (128MB). Didn't even hiccup. I'd go entirely Linux, but I gotta have my Evercrack.... Other than that, I'm pure Linux. Now to try my Linux games once I get it installed again. Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 30 16:07:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issues - rant In-Reply-To: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> References: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010730160700.7b9d6c78.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Shawn wrote: > > I put them in, so now I'm totalling 768MB ram and the friggin' box > pukes... Win98se has no clue what to do with that much ram. It goes > into BSOD's and other glorious things. I reload, and reseat the simms. > Win98se locks up still, no BSOD's. Winme same thing. About the > closest that I can get to good gaming performance is in Win2k on "some" > games. 3D games lock up, won't install, don't display properly, etc. > Basically, it can't swallow the pill and be bigger and beefier. Saw this the other day, not sure if it'll help: http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,23008,3337233,00.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If it walks out of your / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ refrigerator, LET IT GO!! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010730/f13721d8/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jul 30 16:31:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issues - rant In-Reply-To: <20010730160700.7b9d6c78.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:07:00PM -0500 References: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> <20010730160700.7b9d6c78.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010730163156.I24357@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:07:00PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Saw this the other day, not sure if it'll help: > > http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,23008,3337233,00.html So did I misread the article or does it basically boil down to, "In order to get Windows to work with >512M memory, tell it to ignore everything after the 512M mark"? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 30 16:42:58 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issues - rant In-Reply-To: <20010730163156.I24357@sherohman.org> References: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> <20010730160700.7b9d6c78.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010730163156.I24357@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010730164258.7fffc39f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > So did I misread the article or does it basically boil down to, "In > order to get Windows to work with >512M memory, tell it to ignore > everything after the 512M mark"? Yeah. The Win9x/Me series of Windows can't handle more than 512MB. It can't use more than that reliably, but it will go ahead and try to use the memory unless you tell it not to. Other operating systems, such as Linux and NT, can handle it just fine (unless there are hardware limitations as well). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A living example of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Artificial Intelligence. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010730/6f678cc8/attachment.pgp From kdeborah8 at qwest.net Mon Jul 30 17:19:07 2001 From: kdeborah8 at qwest.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? References: <20010730194053.WTLJ12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010730151306.A11541@thor> Message-ID: <003d01c11945$a9d91aa0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Linux Weekly news reports the next TCLUG meeting to be Aug 4th. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer J Sinn" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? > Everybody is playing with the new toy :: IRC > According to the website, the next meeting is July 14, so you may have to wait awhile :) > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:09:14PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > I think so...that would be cool. Is there a meeting this upcomming > > saturday? > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > > > > My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? It seems extraordinarily quiet today. > > > > > > -swf > > > > > > -- > > > "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 30 18:44:25 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS not free, problems? Message-ID: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems with mail servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for service? Will the query to MAPS eventually time out and mail delivery will slow to a crawl? Will the query be rejected and mail start to bounce? Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 30 18:56:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS not free, problems? In-Reply-To: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:44:25PM -0500 References: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010730185636.O9730@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems with mail > servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for service? > > Will the query to MAPS eventually time out and mail delivery will slow to a > crawl? > > Will the query be rejected and mail start to bounce? > > Anyone? MAPS says all mail (include spam) will go through. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Jul 30 19:24:12 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:44:25PM -0500 References: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010730192412.B30233@squall.localdomain> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010730/b272808f/attachment.bin From tmechanic at mediaone.net Mon Jul 30 19:28:19 2001 From: tmechanic at mediaone.net (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issues - rant References: <3B65C89D.5070906@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3B65FBA3.FF16C431@mediaone.net> Your main issue is that Win 98 and ME don't like that much memory, why win2k is having issues I don't know. Shawn wrote: > > Okay, I know this isn't exactly the place for this but I gotta vent... > > A couple of weeks ago, I thought I'd do something good and add some RAM > to my Athlon box (1GHz processor, Biostar MK7VB board, 256MB ram in it > already, 45 GB disk, 250W power supply), and upgrade the power supply to > support the cooling fans I bought. So... at $30 a simm for 256MB > Micron memory, I bought two and also a 300W ps. The RAM I bought is > Micron PC133 256MB sticks, which matches what's in there already. > > I put them in, so now I'm totalling 768MB ram and the friggin' box > pukes... Win98se has no clue what to do with that much ram. It goes > into BSOD's and other glorious things. I reload, and reseat the simms. > Win98se locks up still, no BSOD's. Winme same thing. About the > closest that I can get to good gaming performance is in Win2k on "some" > games. 3D games lock up, won't install, don't display properly, etc. > Basically, it can't swallow the pill and be bigger and beefier. > > Then, I find out that there's major incompatibility issues between the > video card and the Via chipset (Annihalator 2/geforce2 card and VIA > KT133 chipset). Creative won't acknowledge this, and refuses to send me > the info I'm requesting, yet it's on their readme.txt that I have yet to > find on my system. I've got the latest bios upgrade, 4 in 1 drivers for > VIA, video and sound drivers. At best I can get some Win games that > don't lock up. the RAM seems good, it' counts and linux even sees it > and recognizes all of it. > > Good news is that Linux (Slack 8) just kept on ticking even with a > smaller than supposed to be swap file (128MB). Didn't even hiccup. I'd > go entirely Linux, but I gotta have my Evercrack.... Other than that, > I'm pure Linux. Now to try my Linux games once I get it installed again. > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Jul 30 20:21:24 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] two html form posts in one page (IE5) Message-ID: I want to have two forms in an html page. It works fine on netscape, but in IE5, both submits send the data to page1.php3 -- is this a known bug, or is my syntax wrong, but netscape covers for me. Is there a good work-around if it is a bug? I have:
blah blah
more stuff
But when you click on either submit buttons (option1 or option2) in IE5 the data is sent to page1.php3. Thanks, Ben From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jul 30 20:42:03 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.real-time.com - signer not found Message-ID: I just tried going to the mailing list page for TCLUG with Opera and got "Certificate signer not found". "The server's certificate chain is incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" What's up with that? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Jul 30 21:09:42 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting Message-ID: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com> I am trying to line up some speakers for the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I have heard (thru IRC) that some of you are willing to give a talk on DNS, so please let me know if you would like to spread some knowledge. I am hoping to get a few different members to share their experiences with a few different apps. Let me know. -- Clay From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 30 20:54:19 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.real-time.com - signer not found In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 08:42:03PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010730205419.A11671@thor> I get that all the time. The certificate belongs to real-time.com and not mn-linux.org. Even if the certificate is not registered, you still perform an encrypted transaction. It just means they didn't register that certificate with a Certificate Authority. On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 08:42:03PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > I just tried going to the mailing list page for TCLUG with Opera and got > "Certificate signer not found". "The server's certificate chain is > incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" What's up with > that? > > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From mpaulsen at charter.net Mon Jul 30 21:15:18 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] two html form posts in one page (IE5) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010730210415.02643cb0@pop.charter.net> Does adding name="submit1" and name='submit2" do anything for you? (I'm asking, cause I really don't know.) I want to have two forms in an html page. It works fine on netscape, but >in IE5, both submits send the data to page1.php3 -- is this a known bug, >or is my syntax wrong, but netscape covers for me. Is there a good >work-around if it is a bug? > > >I have: > > >blah blah > > > >more stuff > >
other blahs >
> > >But when you click on either submit buttons (option1 or option2) in IE5 >the data is sent to page1.php3. > > > >Thanks, > >Ben > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 30 21:59:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010730215905.O23431@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010730 20:58]: > I am trying to line up some speakers for the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I have heard (thru IRC) that some of you are willing to give a talk on DNS, so please let me know if you would like to spread some knowledge. I am hoping to get a few different members to share their experiences with a few different apps. Let me know. I could throw something by this saturday if needed. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Jul 30 22:37:33 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? In-Reply-To: <003d01c11945$a9d91aa0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010730223731.A11799@fandre.com> Yes, we are planning on having a meeting this Saturday. More info to come. -- Clay Joseph Key [kdeborah8@qwest.net] wrote: > Linux Weekly news reports the next TCLUG meeting to be Aug 4th. > > Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer J Sinn" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? > > > > Everybody is playing with the new toy :: IRC > > According to the website, the next meeting is July 14, so you may have to > wait awhile :) > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:09:14PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > > I think so...that would be cool. Is there a meeting this upcomming > > > saturday? > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > > > > > > My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? > It seems extraordinarily quiet today. > > > > > > > > -swf > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - > Satchel Paige > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Spencer J Sinn > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jul 30 22:29:00 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS not free, problems? In-Reply-To: <20010730185636.O9730@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:56:36PM -0500 References: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> <20010730185636.O9730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010730222900.A28727@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:56:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems with mail > > servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for service? > > > > Will the query to MAPS eventually time out and mail delivery will slow to a > > crawl? > > > > Will the query be rejected and mail start to bounce? > > > > Anyone? > > MAPS says all mail (include spam) will go through. They must've changed something, then. I've had exim configured to add a MAPS-based warning header for quite a while and last week I noticed that all incoming mail was getting the headers X-RBL-Warning: (inputs.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ X-RBL-Warning: (spamsources.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ added. The referenced URL states quite emphatically that continuing to use the ORBS service "_will_ result in rejection of up to 100% of all incoming E-mail, both spam and non-spam." -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From shane at shell.schulte.org Mon Jul 30 22:33:48 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? In-Reply-To: <20010730223731.A11799@fandre.com> Message-ID: Thanks! On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yes, we are planning on having a meeting this Saturday. More info to come. > > -- Clay > > Joseph Key [kdeborah8@qwest.net] wrote: > > Linux Weekly news reports the next TCLUG meeting to be Aug 4th. > > > > Joseph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Spencer J Sinn" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dead mailing list? > > > > > > > Everybody is playing with the new toy :: IRC > > > According to the website, the next meeting is July 14, so you may have to > > wait awhile :) > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:09:14PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > > > I think so...that would be cool. Is there a meeting this upcomming > > > > saturday? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > My, my. Has everyone deserted the list in favor of the IRC channel? > > It seems extraordinarily quiet today. > > > > > > > > > > -swf > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - > > Satchel Paige > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Spencer J Sinn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jul 30 23:11:03 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.real-time.com - signer not found In-Reply-To: <20010730205419.A11671@thor> References: <20010730205419.A11671@thor> Message-ID: So anyone can just make up a certificate and do ssl, just as long as anyone going to the site trusts the unsigned certificate? Spencer J Sinn writes: > I get that all the time. The certificate belongs to real-time.com and not mn-linux.org. > Even if the certificate is not registered, you still perform an encrypted transaction. > It just means they didn't register that certificate with a Certificate Authority. > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 08:42:03PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > I just tried going to the mailing list page for TCLUG with Opera and got > > "Certificate signer not found". "The server's certificate chain is > > incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" What's up with > > that? > > > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From nate at techie.com Mon Jul 30 23:15:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:09:42PM -0500 References: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010730231512.C27928@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:09:42PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > I am trying to line up some speakers for the TCLUG meeting this > Saturday. I have heard (thru IRC) that some of you are willing to give > a talk on DNS, so please let me know if you would like to spread some > knowledge. I am hoping to get a few different members to share their > experiences with a few different apps. Let me know. I guess that means I should put something together to show off djbdns. Nate From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 30 23:14:52 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.real-time.com - signer not found In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 11:11:03PM -0500 References: <20010730205419.A11671@thor> Message-ID: <20010730231452.A11893@thor> Anyone can do SSL. The tc-lug mailing list is running on a server that has been signed by an authorized body as Real-Time. That is why Opera keeps warning you that the certificate holder and the domain don't match. On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 11:11:03PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > So anyone can just make up a certificate and do ssl, just as long as anyone > going to the site trusts the unsigned certificate? > > Spencer J Sinn writes: > > > I get that all the time. The certificate belongs to real-time.com and not mn-linux.org. > > Even if the certificate is not registered, you still perform an encrypted transaction. > > It just means they didn't register that certificate with a Certificate Authority. > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 08:42:03PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > I just tried going to the mailing list page for TCLUG with Opera and got > > > "Certificate signer not found". "The server's certificate chain is > > > incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" What's up with > > > that? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Spencer J Sinn > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Jul 30 23:15:44 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:09:42PM -0500 References: <20010730210941.A11428@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010730231544.B11893@thor> Where will we be having the meeting? On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:09:42PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > I am trying to line up some speakers for the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I have heard (thru IRC) that some of you are willing to give a talk on DNS, so please let me know if you would like to spread some knowledge. I am hoping to get a few different members to share their experiences with a few different apps. Let me know. > > -- Clay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 30 23:35:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] Message-ID: <20010730233532.A25924@real-time.com> Here is the exact response from MAPS. ----- Forwarded message from Margie via RT ----- > > So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems > > with mail servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for > > service? > > Not everyone pays. We just need contracts from hobbyists and > individuals. Pricing is at http://mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > > > Will the query to MAPS eventually time out and mail delivery will > > slow to a crawl? > > It will be rejected by the servers. > > > Will the query be rejected and mail start to bounce? > > The lists fail open. A non response from the server is the same as an > IP not being listed. All the mail will go through. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mpaulsen at charter.net Tue Jul 31 00:42:14 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS not free, problems? In-Reply-To: <20010730222900.A28727@sherohman.org> References: <20010730185636.O9730@real-time.com> <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> <20010730185636.O9730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010730235753.02025d50@pop.charter.net> MAPS is not ORBS, and orbs.org is not active. The "100% of all incoming email" is e-scrub (Ronald F Guilmette) trying to get people to stop hitting his server with ORBS queries. He was running a secondary DNS server for ORBS and he wants the queries to stop. His solution, apparently, is to return false positives. Dig 36.79.38.208.inputs.orbs.org@e-scrub.com (63.92.26.236) Authoritative Answer Recursive queries supported by this server Query for 36.79.38.208.inputs.orbs.org type=255 class=1 36.79.38.208.inputs.orbs.org TXT (Text Field) MAIL BLOCKED; See http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ 36.79.38.208.inputs.orbs.org A (Address) 127.0.0.2 False positives should not occur when using a MAPS (or ORBS) style list since a positive response to the query is what indicates that the IP is on the list. At 10:29 PM 7/30/01, Dave Sherohman On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:56:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > > So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems > with mail > > > servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for service? > > > > > > Will the query to MAPS eventually time out and mail delivery will > slow to a > > > crawl? > > > > > > Will the query be rejected and mail start to bounce? > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > MAPS says all mail (include spam) will go through. > >They must've changed something, then. I've had exim configured to add >a MAPS-based warning header for quite a while and last week I noticed >that all incoming mail was getting the headers > >X-RBL-Warning: (inputs.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See >http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ >X-RBL-Warning: (spamsources.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See >http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ > >added. The referenced URL states quite emphatically that continuing to >use the ORBS service "_will_ result in rejection of up to 100% of all >incoming E-mail, both spam and non-spam." > >-- >With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not >safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox >"To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 02:35:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail, Milter API, White list filtering? Message-ID: <20010731023532.G26577@real-time.com> Anyone have any more info on sendmail and the Milter API? http://www.sendmail.com/partner/resources/development/milter_api/ Browsing mail-abuse, I see something new coming down the pipe called DCC and maintaining a white list of hosts. http://www.mail-abuse.org/vtf/dccbeta.html It's a very interesting concept. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 31 08:24:20 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console screen blanking Message-ID: <20010731082419.A31489@sherohman.org> I know you can `setterm -blank 0` to disable console blanking on a running system, but what's the cleanest way to make that the default on reboot? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 07:42:06 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010730192412.B30233@squall.localdomain>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 07:24:12PM -0500 References: <20010730184425.J9730@real-time.com> <20010730192412.B30233@squall.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Hmmm... I munged that message :) Anyway, I was asking if anyone actually got any pricing from MAPS and if anyone figured out exectly who gets service free. Aparently, the price for .edus is 10% of the regular price. Gabe On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 07:24:12PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > [-- Error: could not find beginning of PGP message! --] -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 07:46:31 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.real-time.com - signer not found In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 11:11:03PM -0500 References: <20010730205419.A11671@thor> Message-ID: <20010731074631.B21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 11:11:03PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > So anyone can just make up a certificate and do ssl, just as long as anyone > going to the site trusts the unsigned certificate? > No, you have to have a signed certificate, you just don't have to have a cert signed by a certificate authority (e.g Verisign, Thawt, etc). It's perfectly fine for people to use a self-signed cert. The scary thing is when people just click through without reading about the cert. In fact, that's one of the reasons that PKI gets such a bad rap: It doesn't keep stupid people from hurting themselves. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 09:43:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS not free, problems? In-Reply-To: <20010730222900.A28727@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > They must've changed something, then. I've had exim configured to add > a MAPS-based warning header for quite a while and last week I noticed > that all incoming mail was getting the headers > > X-RBL-Warning: (inputs.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ > X-RBL-Warning: (spamsources.orbs.org) MAIL BLOCKED; See http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ > > added. The referenced URL states quite emphatically that continuing to > use the ORBS service "_will_ result in rejection of up to 100% of all > incoming E-mail, both spam and non-spam." ORBS did things differently. The guys running the DNS servers got tired of all the excess traffic, so they started responding to every DNS query with a response to bounce the message. It's designed to annoy sysadmins enough to stop pounding their DNS servers. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 09:44:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > Hmmm... I munged that message :) Anyway, I was asking if anyone actually > got any pricing from MAPS and if anyone figured out exectly who gets > service free. Aparently, the price for .edus is 10% of the regular price. I can get it free for my personal sites; just haven't taken the time to fill out the paperwork. And, I don't think I will, because I have a problem with the rates they are charging, and have been rather happy with ORDB anyways. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 09:49:51 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [010731 09:28]: > Hmmm... I munged that message :) Anyway, I was asking if anyone actually > got any pricing from MAPS and if anyone figured out exectly who gets > service free. Aparently, the price for .edus is 10% of the regular price. $125/nameserver, $5/1000 users. Its absouletly cheap! http://www.mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Jul 31 10:04:04 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <20010730233532.A25924@real-time.com> References: <20010730233532.A25924@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010731100404.A21201@iaxs.net> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 11:35:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Here is the exact response from MAPS. > > ----- Forwarded message from Margie via RT ----- > > > So, with MAPS going to a pay-for-use model, what will be the problems > > > with mail servers that are still using MAPS but did not pay for > > > service? > > > > Not everyone pays. We just need contracts from hobbyists and > > individuals. Pricing is at http://mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html Having just gone and looked at the fee structure - huh? Hobbyists & individuals show all query fees as "waived". I suppose they're requiring a contract stating 'I am a hobbyist / individual requesting this service', leaving open the possibility of non-waived fees in the future. But why do they not need contracts from the larger users - the ones that are actually going to generate income? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 09:57:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <20010731100404.A21201@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010731095729.R23431@ringworld.org> * Scott Raun [010731 09:54]: > But why do they not need contracts from the larger users - the ones > that are actually going to generate income? Wow, where you storing that crackpipe? http://www.mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html Notice the links? Those are all pdf-a-fied contracts. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 09:58:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <20010731100404.A21201@iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > Having just gone and looked at the fee structure - huh? Hobbyists & > individuals show all query fees as "waived". I suppose they're > requiring a contract stating 'I am a hobbyist / individual requesting > this service', leaving open the possibility of non-waived fees in the > future. The contract basically just says that you won't distribute their database or use it in ways they don't allow. > But why do they not need contracts from the larger users - the ones > that are actually going to generate income? They do need contracts. Everyone signs a contract. I'm dumping MAPS and using ORDB. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Jul 31 10:53:53 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <20010731095729.R23431@ringworld.org> References: <20010731095729.R23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010731105353.E21201@iaxs.net> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Scott Raun [010731 09:54]: > > But why do they not need contracts from the larger users - the ones > > that are actually going to generate income? > > Wow, where you storing that crackpipe? I was just taking the MAPS person at their word - you snipped too much for me to reference it directly, but part of what I'd quoted said: : Not everyone pays. We just need contracts from hobbyists and : individuals. Pricing is at http://mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > http://www.mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > > Notice the links? Those are all pdf-a-fied contracts. I wasn't digging all that much - I took whoever at their word! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Jul 31 10:49:38 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server Message-ID: <3B66D392.6060306@talkware.net> We have a webserver for our users personal web space. I am interested in what you all have done in locking down your users personal web space. We are allowing cgi's and it concerns me. The users directories are all owned by the same user, the user does not have a real account on the box. We are using the virtual user proftp stuff so that real users arent needed. As a consequence I cant use apache's SUexec since it would try to run the .cgi as a user that doesnt really exist. I was thinking it might be possible to chroot apache and provide a seperate version of perl inside the apache chroot'd area. If that would work I wouldnt have to worry about permissions and other things on the box. But for some reason I dont think it would work. Advice appreciated. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 10:49:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <20010731105353.E21201@iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > : Not everyone pays. We just need contracts from hobbyists and > : individuals. Pricing is at http://mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html They are saying "All we need from hobbyists and individuals is the contract part; we don't require them to pay!", where for commercial users they say "We need you to sign this contract, and give us money." -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cargods at storage.network.com Tue Jul 31 10:57:57 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] Message-ID: <200107311557.KAA10520@rainier.network.com> > From: Nate Carlson > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > > : Not everyone pays. We just need contracts from hobbyists and > > : individuals. Pricing is at http://mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > > They are saying "All we need from hobbyists and individuals is the > contract part; we don't require them to pay!", where for commercial users > they say "We need you to sign this contract, and give us money." What little I know about contract law would indicate that is isn't legally valid (anybody who knows better please correct me). For a valid contract there must be an offer, consideration, and acceptance. "Consideration" is usually interpreted as "money." If there is no consideration, then there is no binding agreement. Of course, good will is always welcome, and as long as everybody is reasonable about things, there is no need to call in the lawyers. dsc From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 11:17:35 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <200107311557.KAA10520@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > What little I know about contract law would indicate that is isn't > legally valid (anybody who knows better please correct me). For a > valid contract there must be an offer, consideration, and acceptance. > "Consideration" is usually interpreted as "money." If there is no > consideration, then there is no binding agreement. > > Of course, good will is always welcome, and as long as everybody is > reasonable about things, there is no need to call in the lawyers. MAPS has some high-priced lawyers working for them, so I'd imagine they've double-checked that this will do as they desire.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 11:25:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server In-Reply-To: <3B66D392.6060306@talkware.net> Message-ID: In httpd.conf: # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. # On SCO (ODT 3) use User nouser and Group nogroup # On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the # suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user. User www-data Group www-data Set permissions on DocumentRoot properly, and things should be ok. www-data is what debian uses as the default. First thing that came to minde.... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 11:27:37 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server In-Reply-To: <3B66D392.6060306@talkware.net> Message-ID: You are a brave soul. I dont know of any place that allows untrusted users to execute any script. But, I know it has been done with some amount of security. I dont know how to implement it myself, but ask the guy at www.fuzzymonkey.org for some advice. I Think he has some experience in it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Jorgensen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:50 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server We have a webserver for our users personal web space. I am interested in what you all have done in locking down your users personal web space. We are allowing cgi's and it concerns me. The users directories are all owned by the same user, the user does not have a real account on the box. We are using the virtual user proftp stuff so that real users arent needed. As a consequence I cant use apache's SUexec since it would try to run the .cgi as a user that doesnt really exist. I was thinking it might be possible to chroot apache and provide a seperate version of perl inside the apache chroot'd area. If that would work I wouldnt have to worry about permissions and other things on the box. But for some reason I dont think it would work. Advice appreciated. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 11:42:23 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010731114223.S23431@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010731 11:26]: > Set permissions on DocumentRoot properly, and things should be ok. > www-data is what debian uses as the default. First thing that came to > minde.... Mind you, this isn't what we do on ringworld. I enable suEXEC, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html And then do this: Options ExecCGI AddHandler cgi-script .pl .cgi -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 11:43:26 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Homedir web server In-Reply-To: <3B66D392.6060306@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010731114326.T23431@ringworld.org> > apache's SUexec since it would try to run the .cgi as a user that doesnt > really exist. I was thinking it might be possible to chroot apache and Create real users. Its the only way to take use of the security models that many have made for doing these things. Ignore my other message then :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 11:44:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [clientsupport@mail-abuse.org: Re: [MAPS #37604] MAPS behavior?] In-Reply-To: <200107311557.KAA10520@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <20010731114433.U23431@ringworld.org> > valid contract there must be an offer, consideration, and acceptance. > "Consideration" is usually interpreted as "money." If there is no Yeah, youve said youll pay the 'small business price' but they have 'waived' the fee because of your status. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From scott.w.fischer at att.net Tue Jul 31 14:17:07 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "detachable" X-windows server Message-ID: <20010731191707.SNRP8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I'm looking for the GUI equivalent to the "screen" command. We have a compute/network intensive application in our NOC somewhat like HP Openview. We don't like to start it up everytime a shift change happens due to the auto-discovery network load that gets generated. So currently one person logs in and never logs out and everyone else uses that persons account on that box. Is there a detachable/attachable X-windows server that works in the same fashion as "screen" does for ttys? I would like to have each of the NOC staff members log into that station as themselves and then just be able to attach the GUI server to their local X-windows session. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 14:31:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "detachable" X-windows server In-Reply-To: <20010731191707.SNRP8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > I'm looking for the GUI equivalent to the "screen" command. > > We have a compute/network intensive application in our NOC somewhat > like HP Openview. We don't like to start it up everytime a shift > change happens due to the auto-discovery network load that gets > generated. So currently one person logs in and never logs out and > everyone else uses that persons account on that box. > > Is there a detachable/attachable X-windows server that works in the > same fashion as "screen" does for ttys? > > I would like to have each of the NOC staff members log into that > station as themselves and then just be able to attach the GUI server > to their local X-windows session. You could use vnc.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 14:38:49 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "detachable" X-windows server In-Reply-To: <20010731191707.SNRP8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: You could setup vnc. Under unix, the VNC server acts as an xserver (to the X clients [remember, x clients are your applications] and a vnc server to the vnc client (that you can run under win/mac/linux/etc..) If security is a concern, well, read up on VNC. It isn't very secure at all. But it does work nicely with ssh with compression turned on. My ~/.vncrc looks something like: $vncUserDir = "$ENV{HOME}/.vnc"; $vncPasswdFile = $vncUserDir . "/passwd.host $vncStartup = "$vncUserDir/vnc-session"; $xauthorityFile = "$ENV{HOME}/.Xauthority"; $defaultDesktopName = "AndyZb X Desktop"; $geometry ="800x600"; $depth = "24"; $getDefaultFrom = "-display localhost:0" My vnc-session file is just like my .xsession, except I define a different display (haven't gotten it to work any other way.) #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:5 exec gnome-terminal & exec blackbox Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Tue Jul 31 13:34:59 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny / Debian question Message-ID: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> So, a friend of mine has finally seen the light and wants to put Linux on his laptop instead of...that other OS. I'm going to help him install it. Being a Debian guy, I'd like to install that -- but my friend is not very used to Linux, so I thought that Progeny might be better. However, I've never used Progeny, so it might be better if I just install Debian and help my friend out whenever he needs it. Any comments? How similar is Progeny to straight Debian? What do you guys think would be best for my extremely-bright-but-not-very-geeky friend? (btw, I am -- of course -- not trying to start a distro flamewar...) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From spencer at sihope.com Tue Jul 31 14:41:45 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple test Message-ID: <20010731144145.A20369@mudpiefoods.com> mutt is good. From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 14:54:35 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny / Debian question In-Reply-To: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: I seem to have been in the "lets get all my friends on Linux" mode also. My experience has been Mandrake is by far the easiest to install and use, however I have not looked at Progeny. The Mandrake install is much like Windows, so there is still something familiar to it. And as far as usability goes, if he is new to Linux, he will most likely not be doing anything fancy with it, so if you get a nice clean install of any distro, he should do fine. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Drake Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:35 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny / Debian question So, a friend of mine has finally seen the light and wants to put Linux on his laptop instead of...that other OS. I'm going to help him install it. Being a Debian guy, I'd like to install that -- but my friend is not very used to Linux, so I thought that Progeny might be better. However, I've never used Progeny, so it might be better if I just install Debian and help my friend out whenever he needs it. Any comments? How similar is Progeny to straight Debian? What do you guys think would be best for my extremely-bright-but-not-very-geeky friend? (btw, I am -- of course -- not trying to start a distro flamewar...) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Tue Jul 31 15:09:14 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest questions-- remote access as well Message-ID: <3B67106A.1010002@mninter.net> I'm working with Xnest to both Sun and Dec machines. I can get most Sun boxes to allow me to connect to them. However, a few I try to connect to kick me back to the logon screen after it tries to load. Is this something I need to correct in my .profile on the server? Some DEC machines I can connect to as well, or I get this problem also. If I pull up a Xnest session to a box successfully, and then I remote into a box that I cant connect to with X of some type I get a "client not authorized to connect to computer" error. Anyone have some ideas on this? The Sun boxes that I have problems pulling X up remotely on have a known good .profile in them that I have duplicated on other servers that I can connect to. Also, how can I get Xterm to allow me to connect remotely to a Sun/Dec box? What I'm after is the text connection speed for when I'm dialed in over modem without having to get hit on the display of Xnest. If I rlogin to a server and then pull up a graphical command (such as admintool on Sun or sysman on DEC) I don't see the X-window appear on my screen. I tried to look through the xterm man page but for some reason I'm not seeing anything. Also, is there other modifications that I will have to do for AIX and HPUX systems? I'm thinking it shouldn't be too much, but I'm not that familiar with all these. Shawn From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 15:05:45 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? Here is the snipit: open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password file.\n"; print PASSWD "$pw_data"; close PASSWD; print "Password file updated.\n"; PS- this script is being run by root at the moment, and I double checked that the file is not in use, and that the owner can write to it. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 31 15:13:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for > my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to > a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug > these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either > works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? > > Here is the snipit: > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > file.\n"; Never seen a file opened that way, try: open(PASSWD,">$file"); -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 31 15:24:05 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:05:45PM -0500 References: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010731152404.A17989@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:05:45PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for > my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to > a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug > these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either > works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? > > Here is the snipit: > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > file.\n"; > print PASSWD "$pw_data"; > close PASSWD; > print "Password file updated.\n"; > It works on my machine: debian with perl-5.6.1 Check you the $passw_file: maybe it's undef or something. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Tue Jul 31 15:24:21 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing Message-ID: >Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? on the first line of the script--> use the w flag. also, it doesn't hurt to use *strict* i.e., #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; ... rest of the script ... > ---------- > From: Jay Kline[SMTP:list@slushpupie.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing > > I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for > my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to > a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug > these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either > works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? > > Here is the snipit: > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > file.\n"; > print PASSWD "$pw_data"; > close PASSWD; > print "Password file updated.\n"; > > > PS- this script is being run by root at the moment, and I double checked that the > file is not in use, and that the owner can write to it. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 31 15:26:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:55PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010731152653.B17989@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:55PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for > > my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to > > a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug > > these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either > > works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? > > > > Here is the snipit: > > > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > > file.\n"; > > Never seen a file opened that way, try: > > open(PASSWD,">$file"); His syntax is not advisable but it's legal. He is calling open with a list of arguments. What I am not sure about is what happens when $passw_file is "." or something. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 31 15:35:30 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:05:45PM -0500 References: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010731153530.I31489@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:05:45PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > file.\n"; open... or die "There was an error opening the password file: $!\n"; Including the $! will give you the standard error message for whatever went wrong. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 31 15:36:47 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:55PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010731153647.J31489@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:55PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > > file.\n"; > > Never seen a file opened that way, try: > > open(PASSWD,">$file"); His usage should be equivalent, but I suppose the lack of (parens) could be confusing the interpreter. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 15:53:22 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I figured it out. $passw_file was getting garbled and no longer was a valid file. But my question still remains, how does one figure out what is going on when it fails like this? The open directive seems to be hit or miss, is there no way to find out what is going on other than to probe for each possible case individualy? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing I am writing a perl script that acts like the passwd program, but is intended for my virtual pop user database. Anyway, I cant seem to find out why I cant write to a file. I will include the snipit, but I would also like to know how to debug these problems. They have poped up before, and it seems very binary, it either works or it dosnt. Is there some way to find out WHY it dosnt work? Here is the snipit: open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password file.\n"; print PASSWD "$pw_data"; close PASSWD; print "Password file updated.\n"; PS- this script is being run by root at the moment, and I double checked that the file is not in use, and that the owner can write to it. Jay _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Jul 31 15:54:47 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing Message-ID: I think the lack of parenthesis is more confusing to the programmer. Knowing a list's ',', concat's '.', and die's arg bind tighter that 'or' is nice, but it is something that doesn't have to be decoded by the programmer (or interpreter) when considering or modifying this line in the future. You can parens 'die' if you wanted to be absolutely clear: open(PASSWD, "> $passwd_file") or die("There was an error opening the password file.\n"); Fortunately and unfortunately, TMTOWTDI. :-) Is the var supposed to be named '$passwd_file' and not '$passw_file'? >>> esper@sherohman.org 07/31/01 03:36PM >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:55PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > open PASSWD, '>' . $passw_file or die "There was an error opening the password > > file.\n"; > > Never seen a file opened that way, try: > > open(PASSWD,">$file"); His usage should be equivalent, but I suppose the lack of (parens) could be confusing the interpreter. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 31 16:10:06 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl and file writing In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:53:22PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010731161006.N31489@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:53:22PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > But my question still remains, how does one figure out what is going on when it > fails like this? The open directive seems to be hit or miss, is there no way to > find out what is going on other than to probe for each possible case individualy? Check $!. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 16:26:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny / Debian question In-Reply-To: <20010731143459.A3177@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010731162635.V23431@ringworld.org> * Dan Drake [010731 14:43]: > Any comments? How similar is Progeny to straight Debian? What do you guys > think would be best for my extremely-bright-but-not-very-geeky friend? Progeny works well. Its got some graphical tools to help configure/maintain a linux machine. Note of warning, hook up an external CRT when installing, most LCDs cant seem to deal with VGA16 XFree86, which is plain stupid. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 16:29:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest questions-- remote access as well In-Reply-To: <3B67106A.1010002@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Shawn wrote: > I'm working with Xnest to both Sun and Dec machines. I can get most Sun > boxes to allow me to connect to them. However, a few I try to connect > to kick me back to the logon screen after it tries to load. Is this > something I need to correct in my .profile on the server? Some DEC > machines I can connect to as well, or I get this problem also. Not too familiar with Sun's or Dec, but if you're getting kicked back to the logon screen it usually means that your xsession ended with an error. Window Manager didn't start, couldn't access display, something. Linux creates a ~/.xsession-errors, check the Sun/Dec equilvent. > If I pull up a Xnest session to a box successfully, and then I remote > into a box that I cant connect to with X of some type I get a "client > not authorized to connect to computer" error. Anyone have some ideas on > this? The Sun boxes that I have problems pulling X up remotely on have > a known good .profile in them that I have duplicated on other servers > that I can connect to. What do you mean by Xnest session? XDMCP query? So you query a box, logon, they pull up a remote session to another box? Via telnet? ssh? rsh? Need more info... > Also, how can I get Xterm to allow me to connect remotely to a Sun/Dec > box? What I'm after is the text connection speed for when I'm dialed in > over modem without having to get hit on the display of Xnest. If I > rlogin to a server and then pull up a graphical command (such as > admintool on Sun or sysman on DEC) I don't see the X-window appear on my > screen. I tried to look through the xterm man page but for some reason > I'm not seeing anything. Via telnet, ssh, or rsh. xterm doesn't connect directly. Logon via telnet, ssh, rsh, whatever and change your DISPLAY setting. (Display redirection is automatic with ssh) > Also, is there other modifications that I will have to do for AIX and > HPUX systems? I'm thinking it shouldn't be too much, but I'm not that > familiar with all these. Display manager that supports XDMCP I suppose. Do you really need a full desktop on all these boxes? Isn't a command line enough? :) Can't just forword your xdisplay and run the programs you need from the command line? Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From silwenae at silwenae.com Tue Jul 31 16:51:11 2001 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Silwenae) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Progeny / Debian Question Message-ID: <001c01c11a0a$ed0b7230$62ad5ea8@bestbuy.com> Progeny was great. I have 3 systems at home, a RH 7.1, Mandrake 8.0, and Progeny. I had a tough time installing Debian, but Progeny is essentially the unstable version of Debian. Installation was absolutely painless, GUI based install, automatically found all the standard equipment I had in that machine. The only thing I vaguely remember being annoyed with was during the setup, I don't remember seeing a way to turn off the GUI based logon, I wanted to login from the console. I would highly recommend Progeny for a first time Linux user because it's 1., Debian based, and 2., extremely easy to set up. Paul From: Dan Drake >So, a friend of mine has finally seen the light and wants to put Linux on >his laptop instead of...that other OS. >I'm going to help him install it. Being a Debian guy, I'd like to install >that -- but my friend is not very used to Linux, so I thought that Progeny >might be better. However, I've never used Progeny, so it might be better if >I just install Debian and help my friend out whenever he needs it. >Any comments? How similar is Progeny to straight Debian? What do you guys >think would be best for my extremely-bright-but-not-very-geeky friend? >(btw, I am -- of course -- not trying to start a distro flamewar...) >Dan From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 16:50:57 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail password change Message-ID: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com> I have been contemplating setting up a method to allow my email users to change their password. I have set my system up so they all use the same account (popuser) but pop authentication is done with the /var/qmail/users/poppasswd file instead. I wrote a perl script to behaive much the same way the standard passwd command does, and could easily write other scripts that can manipulate this file. The problem is, how do I handle allowing users to change passwords securely? I have thought of running a cgi script via web, but something about doing a setuid root cgi script scares me a little. Since none of the users have shell access, they cant use ssh or telnet (not even enabled on the server) to connect to the system. A few ideas I have been kicking around is using some sort of spooler, where password change requests are put into a file, then into a directory- which would be called by some program either via cron or a daemon and process the requests. That way any cgi script would be able to submit a request. Another thought I had was via email- user sends email to something like chpasswd@slushpupie.com with their username, old password, and new password and all incoming mail to that account is handled via some program/script. Does anyone have any other ideas? Any comments on the ideas I have? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com When you overesteem great hackers, more users become cretins. When you develop encryption, more users become crackers. The Guru leads by emptying user's minds and increasing their quotas, by weakening their ambition and toughening their resolve. When users lack knowledge and desire, management will not try to interfere. Practice not-looping, and everything will fall into place. From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 31 17:58:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail password change In-Reply-To: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 04:50:57PM -0500 References: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010801005843.A70536@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 04:50:57PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I have been contemplating setting up a method to allow my email users to > change their password. I have set my system up so they all use the same > account (popuser) but pop authentication is done with the > /var/qmail/users/poppasswd file instead. I wrote a perl script to behaive > much the same way the standard passwd command does, and could easily write > other scripts that can manipulate this file. The problem is, how do I handle > allowing users to change passwords securely? I have thought of running a cgi > script via web, but something about doing a setuid root cgi script scares me > a little. Since none of the users have shell access, they cant use ssh or > telnet (not even enabled on the server) to connect to the system. A few > ideas I have been kicking around is using some sort of spooler, where > password change requests are put into a file, then into a directory- which > would be called by some program either via cron or a daemon and process the > requests. That way any cgi script would be able to submit a request. > Another thought I had was via email- user sends email to something like > chpasswd@slushpupie.com with their username, old password, and new password > and all incoming mail to that account is handled via some program/script. I use the vpopmail+qmailadmin packages, they have all what you have now. Virtual pop-accounts with only 1 system user, webbased interface for managing domains (from the user side), ability to create popboxes, forwards, aliases, mailinglists etc.. You might want to look into it: http://www.inter7.com/ It's all premade and well tested so you'll not run into a lot of bugs. just my .20 dkr! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Tue Jul 31 18:34:34 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT)LOKI games Message-ID: <3B67408A.EA720665@mn.mediaone.net> I know it's been awhile but I need to set up a time to pick up my games from you Yaron, email me off list tmechanic@mn.mediaone.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 18:50:45 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Progeny / Debian Question In-Reply-To: <001c01c11a0a$ed0b7230$62ad5ea8@bestbuy.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Silwenae wrote: > the setup, I don't remember seeing a way to turn off the GUI based logon, I boot secondstage=text or something like that.... Read The Fine Manual, it's there somewhere :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 18:59:14 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT)LOKI games In-Reply-To: <3B67408A.EA720665@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010731185914.A23431@ringworld.org> * BT [010731 18:39]: > I know it's been awhile but I need to set up a time to pick up my games > from you Yaron, email me off list btw, were there any extra tribes2 copies? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 31 19:05:07 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT)LOKI games In-Reply-To: <3B67408A.EA720665@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, BT wrote: > I know it's been awhile but I need to set up a time to pick up my games > from you Yaron, email me off list No. They are supposed to be distributed at LUG activities. This was clearly specified before anyone signed on, before anyone sent me any money. And this is how it shall be. Unless you have a really, REALLY good reason why you can't ever show up to a LUG meeting. If that is the case, please Email me off the list. Otherwise, there's a meeting this Saturday I believe, and probably a beer meeting on Thursday. -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 19:32:43 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML Message-ID: <010731193243.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm hoping someone here knows xml. I'm trying to pull in a .xml file on the fly and I don't seem to be able to get it. The filename is contained in a variable, but I can't find a way to get the variables' value to be read as an input file This works for a prenamed entity, but I can't find a way to create that on the fly either. I've also tried xlinks, but it seems xsltproc doesn't understand that, so I'm pretty short on ideas. Anyone??? Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 19:37:41 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML In-Reply-To: <010731193243.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <010731193243.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01073119374101.09080@friday.tarsk.com> Im not sure I follow here, what application are you talking about? Jay On Tuesday 31 July 2001 7:32 pm, you wrote: > Hi > > I'm hoping someone here knows xml. I'm trying to pull in a .xml file on the > fly and I don't seem to be able to get it. The filename is contained in a > variable, but I can't find a way to get the variables' value to be read as > an input file This works for a prenamed entity, but I can't find a way to > create that on the fly either. I've also tried xlinks, but it seems > xsltproc doesn't understand that, so I'm pretty short on ideas. Anyone??? > > Thanks > > Ed Hoeffner > 1-271 BSBE > 312 Church St. SE > Mpls, MN 55455 > hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu > 612-625-2115 > 612-625-2163 fax > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com He's dead, Jim. -- McCoy, "The Devil in the Dark", stardate 3196.1 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 19:39:18 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail password change In-Reply-To: <20010801005843.A70536@io.stderr.net> References: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com> <20010801005843.A70536@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <01073119391802.09080@friday.tarsk.com> I have looked at those packages, but ultimately I would like the flexability (and learning experience) of writing my own scripts. Who knows, I may even release them as a package... I have most of the system automated with just a few scripts. Just wondering what peoples thoughts on the different methods of this are Jay On Tuesday 31 July 2001 5:58 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 04:50:57PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > I have been contemplating setting up a method to allow my email users to > > change their password. I have set my system up so they all use the same > > account (popuser) but pop authentication is done with the > > /var/qmail/users/poppasswd file instead. I wrote a perl script to > > behaive much the same way the standard passwd command does, and could > > easily write other scripts that can manipulate this file. The problem > > is, how do I handle allowing users to change passwords securely? I have > > thought of running a cgi script via web, but something about doing a > > setuid root cgi script scares me a little. Since none of the users have > > shell access, they cant use ssh or telnet (not even enabled on the > > server) to connect to the system. A few ideas I have been kicking around > > is using some sort of spooler, where password change requests are put > > into a file, then into a directory- which would be called by some program > > either via cron or a daemon and process the requests. That way any cgi > > script would be able to submit a request. Another thought I had was via > > email- user sends email to something like chpasswd@slushpupie.com with > > their username, old password, and new password and all incoming mail to > > that account is handled via some program/script. > > I use the vpopmail+qmailadmin packages, they have all what you have now. > Virtual pop-accounts with only 1 system user, webbased interface for > managing domains (from the user side), ability to create popboxes, > forwards, aliases, mailinglists etc.. > > You might want to look into it: http://www.inter7.com/ > > It's all premade and well tested so you'll not run into a lot of bugs. > > just my .20 dkr! -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Boys, you have ALL been selected to LEAVE th' PLANET in 15 minutes!! From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 20:06:42 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML Message-ID: <010731200642.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Xml is an html processing language. Fairly clumsy but useful all the same. It allows you to create an html file from a template which contains normal html commands with xml commands mixed in, processing those as it creates the file. So, you can do conditional processing with something as ugly as: . . . xsltproc is the command to process the above: xsltproc <.xslfile> <.xmlfile> > <.htmlfile> Yuk, but I think you'll get the idea. I imagine it's a worksaver (at least all the propaganda says so). Not having done much web stuff, I wouldn't know. Sorry if this is a little lacking in detail, but I'm pretty new to it and am kickin' n screamin' all the way. You guys seem to be up on just about everything, so I thought I'd give it a try. Thanks again Ed Hoeffner From thomas at stderr.net Tue Jul 31 20:09:51 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail password change In-Reply-To: <01073119391802.09080@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:39:18PM -0500 References: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com> <20010801005843.A70536@io.stderr.net> <01073119391802.09080@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010801030951.B70536@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:39:18PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I have looked at those packages, but ultimately I would like the flexability > (and learning experience) of writing my own scripts. Who knows, I may even > release them as a package... I have most of the system automated with just a > few scripts. > > Just wondering what peoples thoughts on the different methods of this are Writing a webbased solution is probably the easiest to do. Executing it as the user under which you have the single-uid pop3 server running as and only letting it allow a few changes (like the password) shouldn't be to hard to make. If you want some help I wouldn't mind a solution that didn't need vpopmail+qmail, but I would probably need something like qmailadmin again anway.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From cfandre at fandre.com Tue Jul 31 20:29:35 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010730231544.B11893@thor> Message-ID: <20010731202935.C18097@fandre.com> Check the website. ;-) http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ Spencer J Sinn [ssinn@qwest.net] wrote: > Where will we be having the meeting? > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:09:42PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I am trying to line up some speakers for the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I have heard (thru IRC) that some of you are willing to give a talk on DNS, so please let me know if you would like to spread some knowledge. I am hoping to get a few different members to share their experiences with a few different apps. Let me know. > > > > -- Clay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 20:37:38 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML In-Reply-To: <010731200642.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <010731200642.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01073120373803.09080@friday.tarsk.com> I understand XML, I have done much with it using Java and some other applications. But I dont understand where the command xsltproc came from- what package its coming from. Also, what are you trying to accomplish. I dont follow your question. Generally, you dont generate XML on the fly- unless you are writing a program that generates some output. Also, I am not sure you understand where XML is coming from, because you dont mix HTML commands in with it. That is the XSL. XML should be the raw data- nothing more. The XSL (style sheets) are used to parse the XML to a specific rendering. What makes it so clumsy is the lack of standardization of XML- making the XSL specific to a subset of XML, which in many instances ends up being more work than its worth. Jay On Tuesday 31 July 2001 8:06 pm, you wrote: > Hi > > Xml is an html processing language. Fairly clumsy but useful all the same. > It allows you to create an html file from a template which contains normal > html commands with xml commands mixed in, processing those as it creates > the file. So, you can do conditional processing with something as ugly as: > > > > > > > > . > . > . > > > xsltproc is the command to process the above: > > xsltproc <.xslfile> <.xmlfile> > <.htmlfile> > > Yuk, but I think you'll get the idea. > > I imagine it's a worksaver (at least all the propaganda says so). Not > having done much web stuff, I wouldn't know. Sorry if this is a little > lacking in detail, but I'm pretty new to it and am kickin' n screamin' all > the way. > > You guys seem to be up on just about everything, so I thought I'd give it a > try. > > Thanks again > > Ed Hoeffner > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com "The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men. Suffer it not to become a source of dissension and discord, of hate and enmity." "Religion is verily the chief instrument for the establishment of order in the world and of tranquillity amongst it's peoples...The greater the decline of religion, the more grievous the waywardness of the ungodly. This cannot but lead in the end to chaos and confusion." -- Baha'u'llah, a selection from the Baha'i scripture From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 31 20:44:45 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail password change In-Reply-To: <20010801030951.B70536@io.stderr.net> References: <01073116505700.09080@friday.tarsk.com> <01073119391802.09080@friday.tarsk.com> <20010801030951.B70536@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <01073120444504.09080@friday.tarsk.com> If you are interested, I have a script, qmailadduser, that when you type: qmailadduser jay@slushpupie.com *it adds the entry into users/assign (if not already there) *it adds slushpupie.com into virtualdomains (if not already there) *it prompts for a password for the user, and creates the username slushpupie-jay in a poppasswd file *it creates the directory structure needed for the user (/var/qmail/popboxes/slushpupie-com/slushpupie-jay/) including the .qmail file set up for Maildir (and creates the Maildir's) Basicly, with this script, all you need to do is add a user for mail, modify the script at the top for userID,name,locations,etc and make sure you have a checklocalpasswd or something that can authenticate from a seperate passwd file. It all pretty much works off a standard install of Qmail. Its not web based, but it is very easy to add users. I am going to write scripts to remove users, lock accounts, add a mail quota system, and am right now looking at possibilites for password changing for the users. If you want to try and help with anything, email me off list and I can show you what I have. Jay On Tuesday 31 July 2001 8:09 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:39:18PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > I have looked at those packages, but ultimately I would like the > > flexability (and learning experience) of writing my own scripts. Who > > knows, I may even release them as a package... I have most of the system > > automated with just a few scripts. > > > > Just wondering what peoples thoughts on the different methods of this are > > Writing a webbased solution is probably the easiest to do. Executing it > as the user under which you have the single-uid pop3 server running as > and only letting it allow a few changes (like the password) shouldn't be > to hard to make. If you want some help I wouldn't mind a solution that > didn't need vpopmail+qmail, but I would probably need something like > qmailadmin again anway.. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com They also serve who only stand and wait. -- John Milton From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 21:06:45 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML Message-ID: <010731210645.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Thanks for taking the time to respond. Guess my lack of experience shows. Xsltproc is a command to translate the xsl/xml files into html instead of having the browsers do it (libxslt-1.0.1-1 from sourceforge). You just wind up with a html file. I have a series of files that I'd like to process, each associated with someone in the lab. I created in the xml file In the xsl file, I'd like to have something that and pull in the corresponding file (members/WhatEver.xml) for further processing. I can manipulate the variable to get the correct filename, but I've been dead in the water for quite a while from there. Tried a whole series of ways, none of which worked, obviously. I found a hint about something called document(), but I haven't been able to dig up more about it nor has a bunch of shots in the dark been able to get it to fly. Thanks Ed From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Jul 31 21:14:14 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML References: <010731193243.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <01073119374101.09080@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <3B6765F6.8030905@uswest.net> Jay Kline wrote: I think he has the name of an XML file embedded in another XML document, correct? > Im not sure I follow here, what application are you talking about? > > Jay > > On Tuesday 31 July 2001 7:32 pm, you wrote: > >>Hi >> >>I'm hoping someone here knows xml. I'm trying to pull in a .xml file on the >>fly and I don't seem to be able to get it. The filename is contained in a >>variable, but I can't find a way to get the variables' value to be read as >>an input file This works for a prenamed entity, but I can't find a way to >>create that on the fly either. I've also tried xlinks, but it seems >>xsltproc doesn't understand that, so I'm pretty short on ideas. Anyone??? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 31 21:16:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT)LOKI games In-Reply-To: <20010731185914.A23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > btw, were there any extra tribes2 copies? Yes, there still are a few, I'll have to go count or something... -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Jul 31 21:20:55 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML Message-ID: <010731212055.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> It's contained in a variable. Ed Jay Kline wrote: I think he has the name of an XML file embedded in another XML document, correct? > Im not sure I follow here, what application are you talking about? > > Jay > From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 31 21:22:42 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to M$ Exchange? In-Reply-To: <01072816123600.02370@geezer> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the CDC one is called intrastore, now that they're syntegra.. I havn't followed it. It basicaly takes over all local services, imap, smtp, web... it was really cool back when I looked at it in 98/99.. but havn't kept up with it. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > As a someone who used to be a Notes developer I'm always looking at these > things. I looked at PHP groupware a few months back and was impressed with > its potential at that time. I found it difficult to get working with > PostgreSQL though. > > As one of the local Zopistas I'll mention WorldPilot. Its nominally an IMAP > client and Calendar that runs as a Zope product. I don't know if they've done > anything with it in a while. Its listed on SourceForge. > > Also CDC had an IMAP/Groupware platform they were letting people use freely > in small installations (less than 250 users) but I can't remember the name of > it. I do remember finding via freshmeat. So a look there under IMAP and or > groupware might turn it up. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > On Saturday 28 July 2001 12:39, you wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:43:15AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > For my smaller clients who are on a tight budget I would like to be able > > > to offer them a messaging server that has much of the same functionality > > > as exchange. > > > > I just saw a presentation last night about phpGroupware. They just > > released 0.12 which they did extensive QA work on. It has shared > > calendaring, email, addressbook, todo, etc. They have a total of 25 > > stable applications that run on phpGroupware. It currently supports > > MySQL and PostgreSQL as the backend. He said that a P233 should be able > > to handle a small office of about 50 people. > > > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO2dn88tpDhsSpvgtAQF3vwQAteJdxAGx09L83f5ZULuMbgh0o2EEpo4b 1H1/BBrhzdR/UKwRkJGQR1qZ3p2OWPBTcnH686pwegxpvDexn1z7U0C/DLmk2nJp C/USDWAqKp2hgfldaggwn/9Oa0WR0xxm7tIYaPHbLnc6BfkTlKxC4TYoAwd/FeTr Jwcmaqa+DzE= =iIMZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scanman at mninter.net Tue Jul 31 22:07:00 2001 From: scanman at mninter.net (scanman@mninter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip_masq_ftp.o in kernel 2.4 Message-ID: <200108010307.f71370i06461@mail.swdata.com> Where can I get an FTP masquerade kernel module for Linux 2.4? From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 31 22:49:06 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML In-Reply-To: <010731200642.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:06:42PM -0500 References: <010731200642.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010731224906.B2808@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:06:42PM -0500, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > Ugh. Never seen XSL before; didn't expect it to be that ugly. And doesn't it have an 'else'? > I imagine it's a worksaver (at least all the propaganda says so). Not having > done much web stuff, I wouldn't know. Sorry if this is a little lacking in > detail, but I'm pretty new to it and am kickin' n screamin' all the way. Potentially stupid question, but... You sound skeptical about XML/XSL and it doesn't seem like you care much for the parts you do know. So why are you pursuing it? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 31 23:04:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010731203204.E18097@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010731 20:19]: > > I could throw something by this saturday if needed. Ok, are there any DNS topics anyone here *needs* explained? I'm thinking of doing some ranting on how you should setup an 'authoritative' dns server (style, but with reasons why I think that way), dnssec because I saw a nifty presentation at usenix on it and thought it was cool, and perhaps how ipv6/dns work really quick. and hell, anyone got any ipv6 stuff they want to talk about? ;) I got my tunnel working today (finally) on the newest usagi snap and perhaps that could be another topic if people care. IE: how to really quickly setup a tunnel and route a subnet as ipv6 behind that router/firewall. And the problems I seemed to have the first time around. Please, let me know. I want to start on this tommrow evening probally and get a presentation together *before* friday comes :) Hopefully I'm not doing it saturday morning *before* the meeting ;) My only 'presentation' worthy device is the wince device ive got laying around, so nobody gets to flog me when I bring it with, promise? I dont have the time nor $$ to get a big enough flash card to put X and magicpoint on it yet. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 31 18:19:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > Ok, are there any DNS topics anyone here *needs* explained? How about public vs. privately available DNS in conjunction with a firewall? Such as an appropriate setup of servers (either one or 2, I guess) so that queries from outside see certain responses, but those on the inside have access to different or more information (e.g., additional hosts, LAN interfaces, whatever). That make sense? Andy