I recant my previous statement. I thought WinModems were only Lucent, PCTel or some 3Com/Robotics chips. After ScanMan brought up the Winmodem concept, I went to the Linmodem site and found my modem configuration under the Controllerless. Aaaaaarrrrrgh! A scourge on Windows-specific hardware. I, of cource, include HP in that curse with their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. I apologize for taking up the bandwith. By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website promises a help file with the next release. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra at talentemail.com