And laptop folks cannot use them without sacrificing part of the benefit of having a laptop. It reminds me of a time I was talking to a user... Me: Just as you requested, we got you the lightest, most compact laptop possible so you can easily carry it to every facility you visit. Them: But I have RSS. I can't use that little keyboard, it sucks! Me: Oh, then strap this ergo-keyboard to your back lengthwise and if anyone asks, tell them your name is "Megatron". ...or no, wait! That was just what I felt like saying. I actually was my normal, diplomatic self. ;-) >>> fertch at mninter.net 12/14/01 02:13PM >>> As to the "natural" keyboards, I can't get used to them at all.